They prefer not to see us as human beings. They WILL not listen to our pleas for mercy or how their precious pills–which grant them status as Real Doctors–have maimed and killed countless millions.
Instead, they chalk up our laments to proof of how hopelessly sick and crazy we are. Blame the iatrogenic damage from their professional treatments on defective genes/brain chemistry. Both assumed rather than proven to exist.
Which made staying in the “mental health” system life under a medical dictatorship. Rather than negotiate I fled.
Joshua–you might be interested in this list of anti-psychiatry principles and demands. It was created by a group of psychiatric survivors calling themselves Anti-Psychiatry Rising.
WE BELIEVE
1. That psychiatry is a tool of social control which enforces conformity to the prevailing social order.
2. That “mental illness” is a semantically absurd concept which falsely conflates the abstraction known as the mind with the physical brain to mislead people into believing they have literal diseases.
3. That the psychiatric system cannot be reformed but must be abolished.
WE DEMAND
1. An end to all forced psychiatric procedures and “treatments,” included but not limited to incarceration, solitary confinement, physical restraints, drugging, and electroshock.
2. An end to all state support for psychiatry, including but not limited to the use of psychiatric testimony in legal proceedings; psychiatric screenings in schools, prisons, and workplaces; licensing of psychiatrists; and the use of public monies to support psychiatric programs or research.
WE ASSERT
And plan to exercise–our right as an oppressed class to fundamental human rights and self-determination.
I’m sorry KateL.
In a similar situation.
On drugs for 25 years. Off for 5.
Feels like I have a moderate case of chronic fatigue syndrome most days. It was worse during withdrawal, but my energy levels are still low. Under 50 but feel at least 75.
Thank you, Antonia. The irony is I went through the system because I hated myself and wanted to become more normal. The experts made me more abnormal than ever and gave me a badge of shame.
Now I come across as a socially awkward but sweet and deep woman in midlife with multiple health issues. The latter puzzle people more than anything else about me. I also think I’ve suffered neurological damage due to extremely poor short term memory and not seeing things around me. (Worse than before I took the pills. Going off helps me appreciate my loss in cognitive function more.)
Maybe follow the Golden Rule? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?
But running a society based on that premise has never been tried before. And I don’t think there is any law to make people kinder or more compassionate. Any more than there’s a kind of medical treatment. (The legal and medical tyrants trying to enforce morality by brute force are light years from practicing their own rules. No better than self-styled theocrats when it comes down to it.)
Psychiatry hurts people. Not just physically but the soul.
Ironic how the would-be-healers claim that afflicted part does not exist but go on to damage it by assaulting the organ they associate with the soul.
Some old school psychiatrists helped people feel better through talking and listening. But I have found a way to get this help through friends and pastoral counseling.
Just like I can get help for my underactive thyroid, anemia, B12 deficiency without “mental health.” These are physical problems known to cause depression and fatigue.
Hope you had a merry Christmas too, Bippyone.
I guess the psychiatrist who “helped” you did not like feminism.
Julie Greene once told me how psychiatrists decide how normal something is. Do they agree with/do it themselves? If they do, it is healthy and normal.
Existential has different meanings.
It can mean physical–or wiping out all or nearly most of humanity like that cheerful family flick The Road. (Lol)
Or it can mean a profound threat to more than mere corporeal existence. And often of the individual. The existential angst of Franz Kafka’s works for instance.
Psychiatry brought on a profound crisis of the latter with me. It conflicted with my former life philosophy that I was a unique human being who had a soul and free will. Psychiatry told me that, “No. You are just a bunch of random chemicals firing in a skull. And yours aren’t even firing correctly or the chemical balance is off. So you are subhuman at your innermost being.”
And these same Lab Coats whine about stigma. How “It isn’t fair that the mentally ill are discriminated against, scapegoated, and seen as subhuman monsters.” They write books and articles lamenting this.
Then you read between the lines. They really don’t give a rip about those who suffer from the “stigma” they create by their dehumanizing quackery. (Even NAMI owns that the “bio model” is counter productive in changing public perception for the better.) Lab Coats really just are worried about how their “stigma” may bite them when people are too afraid of having their lives and relationships destroyed to “get the help they need.”
That shrink’s yacht won’t pay for itself. Lower stigma folks. Just the right level. Enough to encourage unlimited involuntary “treatments” but not enough to discourage voluntary consumers either.
Been thinking about the Murphy Bill. How in 2017 D.J. Jaffe and Torrey conducted a media blitz ranting about all those “untreated mentally ill mass shooters.” Every other day it seemed some new “mentally ill” mass shooting occurred.
How “safe and effective treatments” were touted as necessary for the greater good. Not necessarily to help the “mentally ill” but for all they might come in contact with because they were such monsters when left untreated. Otherwise they were “almost as safe as regular people.”
Know why I stayed on those drugs that destroyed my ability to think, feel, or live independently for decades? Lots of guilting from places like NAMI. “If you don’t take you’re cocktail you are being selfish. And you might kill someone like Andrea Yates did drowning her children.”
I know the role psych drugs played with Yates and the mass shootings. But the narrative put profits above facts or the health of those trapped in the mental system.
FWIW, Jan, not everyone who reads MIA is a psychiatric survivor. Of course those who have never been on the receiving end of psychiatric abuse do not share our lived experience.
I remember back in 2017 when D.J. Jaffe and “Doc” Torrey were plugging away at the narrative of the mass shootings. With the help of the MSM who relied upon Big pHarma sponsorship.
The reason they called for the passage of Murphy’s Bill? Public health and safety. The “severely mentally ill” had no right to run around at large without their medication because–according to respected doctors such as Torrey, Pies, and countless others–they were putting others at risk.
Yes, they were–nearly all–out of their minds on these “safe, effective treatments” when they committed these mass killings. But the doctors didn’t care to share this because they had a product to promote. The last thing they wanted was to “pill shame” the psychiatric profession by drawing attention to the role SSRI’s play in violent or disinhibited behaviors or the dulling of emotions such as empathy or guilt that can prevent murders.
I believed the lying narrative for years. I believed the medical experts who lied to me and obeyed them. Out of fear of brining grief to my friends/family/innocent bystanders I took my cocktail religiously. I knew it was shortening my life and disabling me. Yet I took it as an act of duty and sacrifice for those around me.
Sadly this sacrifice was not only unnecessary, but the soul killing drugs made me a worse person–not better–to be around. Furthermore, it ruined my ability to care for myself. I’m slightly better, but had to rely on others because the drugs reduced me to a state of childish dependence for a quarter century of my life,
The men and women I looked to for controlling my “illness” did not care about people like me and had no qualms about lying through their teeth or knowingly poisoning us (psychiatric drugs are a “slow kill”) to further their careers and get free cruises and other goodies from Big pHarma.
Since going off mind altering drugs that cause mood swings and rejecting my “bipolar” label I am acting normally again. Learned normal social skills in my forties. Been in the system for 25 years.
Psychiatry drove me crazy. Leaving restored my senses.
“Mental health” exists solely to drive sane people crazy or prevent the crazy from ever returning to reality. Big profits in keeping people insane and helpless.
“You are nothing without me. You can’t make it on your own. You’re not smart enough to care for yourself and no one but a professional–like me–can stand to be around you.”
Shrinks act and talk a lot like domestic abusers.
Dr. Gotzche, thank you for this article.
I loved your book Deadly Medicines and Organized Crime: How Big Pharma has Corrupted Health Care.
Do you think that book played a role in Big Pharma’s concentrated efforts to get you banned–along with Kelly Brogan and others–from Big Tech platforms?
I got around that by relocating. I tell everyone–including my HUD apartment manager–that I get SSI for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and an eye condition. Both real and iatrogenic in origin.
Feeling well enough to look for work so I won’t have to worry about a reevaluation by the System. I will move back to my parents’ homestead in the near future too.
I wish David–described in the article–had waited another year. It took me two years after tapering off sertraline before I could feel good things again.
In my late forties I experience more carnal desire than I did twenty-five years ago. Everything has been restored emotionally. Maybe cognitively. Though I struggle to organize and don’t know if biology or frontal lobe damage is to blame. But my amygdala is up and running again.
I love music now. And I’ve become an excellent singer at church now that I have heart to put into it. And I know how to maneuver social situations too.
I have read a number of articles about teens and even middle schoolers committing suicide and leaving notes or telling loved ones it was because of the lockdown beforehand. Yet there are no more suicides than usual since March of last year.
Glory be! The suicides for other causes must have dropped. As the writer has noted suicides can also be from political unrest, economic problems, and domestic abuse. Ergo we can assume all three of these factors are no longer the problems they once were.
Thank you, Lancet Psychiatry. I won’t forget this report in the future.
Well said!
Now that I left my old community I’m doing better.
My undrugged personality is nicer and I can understand social cues at last.
My neighbors think I’m only disabled due to my autoimmune disease. (I really have one thanks to 25 years on drugs.) They treat me like a normal human. The whole experience is overwhelmingly sweet.
The “nocebo” effect. What happened to me after 3 weeks on a drug that kept me from sleeping. And a rushed trip to a psych ward where they convinced me it was not the pills but my brain to blame. My new identity as a schizoaffective was born.
Sorry about your experience Ekaterina.
It wasn’t just your chocolate or face creams that were taken. It was your peace of mind and security.
I had a lot of my nicer clothing stolen during a visit years ago. This stuff happens all the time in psych wards.
Years of these figurative slaps in the face led me to flee the System when an opportunity arose.
For that matter did the nurse–who gets a lot more than the pittance her charges have to survive on–DESERVE those things? Does the nurse deserve to rob much poorer people? Does she deserve to rule the most socially vulnerable. Those with no credibility or hope of redress when wronged?
If you’re searching for a bad guy to condemn, please consider those running the place and abusing their positions.
Had to recover from 24 years in the system by hiding in my parents’ back room for a year to withdraw. A remote, rural area.
Every afternoon I lowered my aching, trembling body into bed so I would have the strength to eat dinner. Drug withdrawals. My parents had no idea why I was so horribly ill on a physical level.
I also had to cope with painful thoughts. I can never have a family now. I’m forced to live on less than $10,000 a year. In chronic pain thanks to long term drug damage.
All so some controlling bureaucrat can present himself as a “real doctor” and earn $300,000 a year instead of a piddling $100,000. Sigh.
I have forgiven the individuals responsible. But what they did was wrong.
Drugs don’t stop child abuse.
I used to teach Sunday school and was asked to stop because women found out about my “diagnosis.” So hurtful and unjust.
Maybe people should be judged on the content of their character–what they actually DO–instead of what some quack in a lab coat says after talking to them and looking at files for 10 minutes.
I saw him in an interview with a renowned journalist back in 2017. He was talking about how the “mentally ill” should be psychiatrized since “they will just wind up in institutions otherwise.”
Makes me wonder if he knew how the standard “treatments” work by crippling and removing the labeled from mainstream society and “functional” people. By ruining our ability to function properly and causing us ticks, massive weight gain, and flattened facial expressions to aid in segregation.
Very callous dismissal of human beings. Utilitarian and light years away from compassion.
Not here to bash Jaffe, but point out how this ugly attitude has infected (metaphorically) so many faucets of society. Jaffe is dead, but utilitarianism remains alive and well. Along with the bioreductionist model–which dehumanizes everyone.
The “mentally ill” are viewed as malfunctioning robots (actually read an article in Psychology Today calling someone that because of her unusually cruel behaviors) but everyone else–by default–is just a well functioning robot. Psychiatry dehumanizes us all. Including the “normals.”
Psychology is a branch of the humanities. This should not be viewed as a bad thing.
The sciences are a worthy field. So are the arts, the humanities, and philosophy.
A fish is not a bird. This is not to the detriment of aquatic life.
Sam, what you describe in the second paragraph is a fallacy. Guilt by association.
Similar to linking RW to the Church of Scientology. Though he has no connections nor endorse it in any of his writings.
Do you think that’s why Dr. Pies so freely admits to the “chemical imbalance metaphor” in many articles?
He and his fellow quacks can laugh up their sleeves at everyone else’s gullibility, but also vent their indignation that the public think they’re stupid enough to believe their own BS. And they won’t be called out for it this way.
If a priest thinks your confession warrants kidnapping you, locking you up for days/weeks/months and plying you with psychological torture including the pharmaceutical variety he will go to prison. A shrink will be handsomely rewarded.
Why would he need a list for the “SMI”? Last I heard Biden wanted to abolish the second amendment and remove all guns. Rendering such a list superfluous.
A bit confusing Dr. Caplan. “Mentally ill” and developmentally delayed are not the same thing. As someone with an above average IQ I found being conflated with the second frustrating. Nothing wrong with not being too smart, but I got sick of being lumped in with them all the time. We are NOT all alike. The case workers often hated those like me because they couldn’t handle anyone not significantly below themselves in cognitive abilities. Julie Green often complained to me about similar things.
Glad I’m out of that situation.
But, like the DD people, those labeled “mentally ill” seem to get a great deal of not being held morally accountable. Severe “treatments” rather than overt punishment. But it’s not any better. Especially since they can “treat” or punish you for crimes you may commit in the future.
Mainstream psychiatry is cancer. A blight on the medical field.
The perfect excuse to ignore–not just the patient’s legitimate grief or trauma–but real physical ailments that could be treated or cured but the doctor is too busy to bother with.
The question is not whether psychiatry can be reformed, but whether Western medicine can be reformed. Doctors are so authoritarian now I hate seeing one.
I was repeatedly told in NAMI and day treatment and clubhouse that if I ever went off my “meds” I would either kill myself or someone else or both. Therefore it was my moral obligation to take the drugs even though they made me ill and I realized they would kill me prematurely.
Sad to realize the drugs were making me harder to live with and ruining my ability to perform ADLs and basic hygiene. Years and years of being lied to and about to my nearest and dearest. 🙁
Szasz made the comparison of a kindly, well meaning shrink handing out drugs for unhappiness in the sincere belief it will help people to an 18th century physician using blood letting on cholera sufferers.
Good intentions can kill in medicine if the premise is unfounded.
Psychiatry needs to go the way of leeches and bloodletting. The ideology is cancer to the medical system regardless of sincere, well intentioned people.
Yep. Psychiatry justifies and rationalizes the damage it does to the public by saying “Their genes make them intrinsically different from you. They don’t have thoughts or feelings like real people.”
As they watch the cognitive deterioration caused by their “safe and effective treatments” they sooth their consciences by saying, “They were only fit for asylums. If I hadn’t dumbed and numbed them out these defectives MIGHT have broken the law or even hurt someone.”
I already have read enough of your writings to know you don’t support TAC or involuntary confinements to psych wards David.
I believe you were the one who got Bob Whitaker to research the efficacy of psychiatric drugs weren’t you? We survivors owe you–as well as he–a debt of gratitude.
And, as Peter Breggin says in his videos, we know very little about the human brain too. Mainstream psychiatry would have us believe our brain chemistry consists of only two chemicals. Serotonin and dopamine. To be “tweaked” with those “life saving meds” they hand out like office mints. (At least they won’t force feed you their stale office candy if you decline.)
Hi David. I really appreciate what you are trying to do.
Here’s the problem I see with the concept of Mad Pride and why I find it hard to incorporate into the anti psychiatry/critical psychiatry narrative.
First of all let’s look at the archetypes (AKA “diagnoses”) of “severe mental illnesses.” The two most notorious are “Bipolar” and “Schizophrenia.” I’ll describe them–though I don’t believe in them–as I would Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
“Bipolar symptoms” include behaviors like cheating on your partner, petty theft for fun, verbal and even physical abuse, chasing someone with a knife, lying all the time, drowning your children, killing sprees like Ted Bundy, and mass shootings. All these behaviors have been attributed to “bipolar” by psychiatrists respected in their fields.
“Schizophrenic symptoms” include selfish coldness, hating humanity, violent crimes, killing sprees, and (of course) mass shootings.
By calling myself “mentally ill” or owning my designated role I’ll be living down to the reputation forced upon me by uncaring shrinks. If I’m not guilty of any of the behaviors listed above it’s a form of libelous slander to call me by one of the two “SMI” designations.
The LGBT community found acceptance because, after the sixties, people became more accepting of different expressions of sexuality. They have no problem accepting gays because they’re just like everyone else. Law abiding citizens with no reputation for harming others.
But because of its associations with violent crimes and other bad behaviors “severe mental illness” will never be accepted unless those labeled with it advertise the restraints they wear. Usually chemical. I often tried this in my years as a NAMI activist/mascot. “Look. We’re not bad. We aren’t serial killers or violent. We take our meds! Please accept and like us. We’ll be good and always take our meds even if they make us horribly ill, rot our brains, and kill us before age 53.” 🙁
I guess you can attempt to redefine what “severe mental illnesses” are and explain that even without drugs, shocks, confinement we can be law abiding, non violent citizens. But in the end shrinks define what “bipolar” and “schizophrenia” mean.
And as OH has pointed out there are no biomarkers. These are not legitimate illnesses or disabilities like your paralysis is David. The disabilities many of us share were inflicted by psychiatric remedies. Not problems we were born with.
The reason “born this way” won’t work with survivors is people will still avoid us. In fact it’s worse since they write you off as hopeless. NAMI has been trying this for years. Though for much of the time they’ve known it doesn’t work.
It’s especially problematic if you want the right to live drug free. As many here do. Society views the decision of the “severe mentally ill” to go without their “meds” as so dangerously irresponsible as to be criminal. To their way of thinking by going off your cocktail you run the risk of killing loved ones, cheating on your spouse, violently assaulting strangers, or the ever popular mass shooting spree. Not just your life at risk but all you come in contact with.
The ONLY reason I stayed on my cocktail for 23 years was a sense of obligation to all around me. I knew those pills were harming me and making it hard to function cognitively. But doctors I implicitly trusted assured me I would morph into Ms. Hyde without them and I felt it was wrong to take that risk.
But if you can find ways to work around this narrative–that the “severely mentally ill” are not just rude and inconsiderate but dangerous*–more power to you David Oak. I wish you and the Mad Pride movement well, though I respectfully disagree on its efficacy at ending involuntary and inhumane psychiatric treatment.
* We’re usually depicted as dangerous but not quite self aware enough to be evil, like house pets with rabies.
They aren’t Jesus. But they love to play God and take on the role of Messiah.
Only instead of offering themselves up to be crucified, they expect us to allow ourselves to be. Voluntary would be nice–but not essential. Actually that makes us martyrs…or is that unwitting test subjects?
“You need to suck it up. We all have to make sacrifices,” says the doctor making a 7 digit income off those like you, driving his luxury car off to one of his million dollar mansions. After successfully destroying your livelihood, adult independence, ability to feel happy, and all your ability to have ordinary human relationships. Ain’t doctors swell?
My blind obedience and worshipful submission to these unreliable cons playing god, made me a permanent burden to society. And especially the people I cared about.
It wasn’t in the best interest of me as an individual or the collective either. Unless you count morally (but not financially) bankrupt collectives like Big Pharma or the APA. It stinks to struggle with ADLs and only have $700 a month to live on.
I never wanted that lifestyle for myself nor did my parents. We thought I was getting helped by all the “meds” they claimed were keeping me from losing all cognitive skills and becoming violent. Just the opposite.
Now I hope to support myself as a “creative” like many survivors and even the few “consumers” who get off SSI. Struggling to “adult” in my forties when I’m much frailer than most my age. But at least my mind is coming back. My IQ has gone up nearly 20 points.
My dad is pretty angry and sad too. Occasionally he’ll commiserate with me over the life I lost. Mom is okay with my choice to leave “mental health” but insists the drugs used to help me. Claiming I acted weird at one point when I was fully compliant and took them religiously. (She doesn’t see the fallacy here.)
Hmm. The Experts kept telling my fellow “consumers” and me it was imperative to take drugs that crippled us, damaged our health, and sent many of us into a non stop depression. Why? For the greater good of society.
Does that count as individualism? It’s what the “mental health” center preached to us at every session.
“Mental illness” is not a social construct so much as an etiological one.
A phrase which makes no sense when viewed too carefully.
How does “mental illness” differ from neurological or brain illness? is a question to ask. How William Glasser got me to reconsider the hopeless “disease” I’d been repeatedly told I had.
Because they’ve chosen to write off these suffering people as either beyond help or not worth helping. (By help I mean ordinary human help or TLC which you stop receiving once labeled SMI.)
The “medicines” often have the desired effect of turning intelligent but suffering people into docile, childish creatures. Incapable of independent living or any quality of life most adults prefer yet easy to “take care of” or control.
Like severing someone’s spinal cord so they’ll obey the caretaker ordering them to a lifetime of bedrest.
Or cutting off a songbird’s wings and severing the vocal cords so it won’t fly away or annoy its keepers by singing. The songbird is unhappy but what it wants doesn’t matter.
Once I discovered the hoax about the “chemical imbalance” I look back on what I’ve been through with anger.
The drugs which were supposed to prevent cognitive deterioration (according to my doctor) did the opposite.
I frequently beat up on myself for my inability to find gainful employment, have decent human relationships or keep my house clean. Now I can do all the three.
They were forcing us to hobble around with our feet in fetters and ridiculing us for not running laps like they could. (Clubhouse/Day Treatment/NAMI) Disabling us while pretending to help us.
NAMI
National
Advocates for
Munchausens-by-proxy
Iatrogenics
The notion that I was hopelessly insane almost drove me to suicide.
Psychiatrists see only “bipolars” and “schizophrenics.” I see human beings.
Psychiatry exists to make a distinction between the “normals” with full rights as citizens and human beings and the “severely mentally ill” creatures who can be viewed as incompetent idiots (regardless of demonstrated cognitive abilities) or dangerous criminal masterminds (regardless of the content of our character.) Or both. Whichever psychiatrists–and any “normals” who know how to exploit us–find convenient.
Dr. Goetzhe wrote a book comparing Big Pharma to organized crime. And Psychiatry is their right arm. If not merely the right hand side of this underground dystopia.
A big problem is all or almost all the media rely on Big Pharma ad revenue for the magazine or channel to stay afloat.
“Always the patient’s fault.” Should be the motto for the American Psychiatric Association.
I strongly recommend the site Surviving Antidepressants for those who need help coming off and can’t get it. I cold turkeyed off Lamictal since I couldn’t cut the tablets. But I only took it for 13 days after being hospitalized.
Personally I found Abilify was a snap to come off. Went from 20 mg to 15 mg. Then 15-10; 10-7.5; 7.5-5; 5-2.5; 2.5-0. 2 weeks between each gradation. 10 weeks with only a few headaches. But Effexor was another thing altogether. Took me 13 months to come off 150 mg.
No more suicidal thoughts or melt downs since. The pills were holding me back.
I’m more at risk for dying if I contract Covid-19 due to my autoimmune disease caused by years on SSRIs.
Why is it surprising that STIMULANTS which wear the body down by artificially boosting energy levels make kids more prone to infection and poor prognosis from the infection?
Does forcing a child to drink 5 cups of coffee and a 6 pack of Mountain Dew every flu season make them less at risk for infection?
Our opponents would (probably) argue that it’s different because it’s not punishment, but “help.”
Peter Breggin points out how calling random brain damage, pharmaceutical torture (that is a thing) and imprisonment “treatment” instead of punishment enables psychiatrists to treat law abiding citizens worse than convicted felons.
Would D.J. Jaffe have given the cootie treatment and avoided eye contact with some cancer victim he was trying to organize a fund raiser for? Interesting how the pro-psych force can rationalize what they do so easily.
“I have the right to force these drugs on Blanche.” TAC Dude
“Blanche doesn’t like them. She says they upset her stomach and give her terrors. I see her seize on them.” Friend of Blanche
“Blanche is ‘mentally ill’ so if she doesn’t like them that’s just her illness talking. Lol. If she seizes or throws up she’s faking it for attention.” TAC Dude
That’s why I frequently compare psychiatrists to Dr. Farid Fata. He sold lengthy rounds of chemo to people without cancer. Killing some and crippling even more. Because of his gutless professional colleagues he got away with it for a very long time. The whole story makes me despise the medical profession.
His death brings me sorrow. Leukemia is an awful way to go.
Sadly it won’t undo the harmful policies passed through his activism. He was more of an advocate for annoyed family members and psychiatrists who made a killing off crippling and defaming through quack treatments than the “consumers” themselves.
What Briana describes in her encounter with him, his refusal to make eye contact or acknowledge her humanity is what I remember during my 25 years in psychiatry. Numbed and dumbed down as I was, I felt it keenly.
In dehumanizing others they dehumanize themselves.
It’s sobering that Jaffe will never have another chance to make amends to those he–more or less–unwittingly harmed. To undo his TAC policies is up to others.
Rest in peace Jaffe. May Heaven have mercy on your soul.
Thanks.
I don’t consider myself an anti vaxxer though. At least not as far as the basic MMR shots go. Even polio shots are still a good idea.
These shots are highly effective. And the polio one saves children’s lives.
My brother and I had all four as children. But I got my Chicken Pox immunity the old fashioned way.
Dedicating my time to trying to help keep local small businesses afloat. Pam Popper’s gives some tips on how we can do this. I highly recommend looking up her interview with Peter Breggin on YouTube.
A lot of people are desperately afraid they will lose their homes or be unable to scrape enough beans and rice together to feed their children. I visit a cafe near me and promised the owner’s daughter working behind the cash register that if another lockdown takes place I will still get carry out there regularly.
Just thought I’d mention that Pies’s article has been “misplaced.” A computer glitch I’m sure. Not like there was too much traffic from this site to the shrinks’ dirty little secret conflicting with those cute commercials.
I understand where you are coming from. I only wish I shared your optimism. Google “social distancing is permanent” and see all the articles that pop up and read a few.
Big Pharma is making money faster than ever as small businesses are forced to close. Not big chain stores though. This isn’t about preventing infection since more stores mean more distancing. It’s about cronyism and lobbying.
Okay. You want to spend the rest of your life in isolation? Because that’s what all the experts recommend. Utter isolation at home alone for everyone forever.
The only plan out there!
Sounds like a quality life and very healthy too.
Nobody work or see friends or family ever again. Stay locked at home for 50-60 years till you die. WONDERFUL.
Funny how a lifetime of permanent isolation is healthy now. Not like any of us have social needs after all.
This will never end. Get used to permanent house arrest. Years and decades.
The New Normal means you can never have coffee with friends again. I prefer death from this alleged plague myself. The rest of you can enjoy this nightmare dystopia. Funny how I’m the only person who finds it depressing. Crazy me to want friends and fresh air instead of spending the last years of my life locked alone in a room eating beans.
Weird how everyone but me suddenly loves endless isolation, wants it to last forever and enjoys dying alone. Cause you will die even without the Covid. Utterly ALONE IN ISOLATION.
Wish I enjoyed loneliness and hated companionship like the rest of you cranks. Everyone else loves being cut off alone FOREVER.
THIS WILL NEVER EVER END.
Why is Covid death so scary? As the last person with human needs or emotions I wish it or something else would kill me.
Dr. Fauci says we’ll probably never have a vaccine and should never be allowed out of our houses till the virus completely vanishes which he is pretty certain it won’t. Ergo permanent lockdown forever according to the Experts.
Oh yes. The Scientific Ex-Spurts suddenly decided isolating is not only healthy but praiseworthy. If you don’t enjoy it, it’s your fault and they will force drugs on you while forcing even more isolation on you.
Glad I live in the country. Like many labeled SMI I’m no stranger to loneliness. If I avoid thinking about the future I’m okay.
Curious how many other survivors are holding up. Like everyone else is caving in but we’ve already been through this crap. Same old, same old.
I wish these controlling Science Ex-Spurts would experiment on themselves. At least they’re too busy to hunt down every single depressed person now. Easier to escape their notice.
“If someone has committed a heinous crime let them pay their debt to society.”
Well said Caroline. We already have the legal system to punish all of us for law breaking.
But psychiatry has the authority to punish regardless of our behavior. The unquestioned absolute authority to inflict cruel and unusual punishment (without limit) on even the most mild mannered law abiding saints–more sinned against than sinning. Just because some Expert deems them biologically unfit for basic human rights or simple kindness and decency.
Psychiatry punishes the “biologically unfit” for the crime of existing. 🙁
Because of this pseudo science our culture chooses to judge us on the word of some Ex-Spurt Sciencey Dude–who just flipped through old notes without talking to us. Not the content of our character.
After i got labeled I hated myself. Everyone treated me like a monster.
The drugs killed all my ability to experience positive emotions and caused daily seizures. Everyone blamed my desire for suicide on my “illness.”
When they say, “You’re not your illness” it’s pretty laughable. In their eyes all “consumers” are walking diseases.
What scares me far worse than the thought of death itself–or even the deaths of my beloved Boomer parents–is losing touch with our humanity. If I see someone in need who can’t be helped otherwise I’ll gladly expose myself and stay in quarantine later.
It takes time.
I chose to forgive the people who injured me. But it took a long time.
If you don’t want to or feel you can’t I sympathize.
Part of forgiving meant acknowledging the wrongs done me. I’d always been taught nice girls don’t get angry or remember wrongs. My grandma told me we automatically forget bad treatment because girls are naturally sweet–made up of sugar and spice and all things nice. 😛 Nope.
My thoughts exactly Willoweed.
My odd behaviors and personality changes were similar to those of an alcoholic. My mom mentioned this but we never put two and two together.
Took me over twenty years to find stuff online saying the drugs I took were anything but life saving and essential. Or telling how to go off them without melting down. Ages 20 to 44 in psychiatry.
I’m better now.
Made real progress emotionally, cognitively, and finally physically.
I get along with people now. Smiling easily. I shower every day and keep up on household chores. And I am finishing writing projects since the first time in my teens.
I attribute these changes to going off drugs and rejecting the role society assigned me of madwoman.
I’ve heard of kids “inheriting” trauma.
It’s not to be confused with abuse. If anything the mother may strive to protect her children from the horrors she went through. Unfortunately this can backfire however kind and noble the intentions.
For example the children of Holocaust survivors and those who were molested as children.
You can’t fault the parent anymore than you can of unwittingly giving the child a cold. It just happens. The right kind of family therapy might help the parent. Such as Choice Theory by William Glasser. He only counseled adults. If the children acted out he would advise the parents on how to show love while preparing the child for life.
Being told you have an incurable brain disease that will keep you depressed forever is depressing.
Since (many believe) depression exists as a feeling, hopelessness will make the feeling worse. Plus the drugs make you sluggish and apathetic which can also cause “low grade” depression.
Yeah. Fine line between whacking myself over the head for everything that goes wrong and blaming others.
I dated a man also labeled “bipolar” though we had little else in common. One day I realized how we kept apologizing to each other in an excessive, compulsive manner.
“Nobody’s fault, it’s a brain disease” translates to “everything that goes wrong is the fault of the person with the presupposed brain disease.” One of Psychiatry’s paradoxes.
False dilemma. Reminds me of the story of how the disciples asked Jesus, “Did this man sin or did his parents so that he was born blind”?
Neither Mom nor I behaved perfectly through my existential journey into madness. Exacerbated and greatly prolonged courtesy of Big Pharma Psychiatry.
I gladly brought her to NAMI because she kept blaming herself for my weird behaviors under the influence of mind altering drugs and my new diagnostic identity.
Looking back, I’m more upset at how my crazy behaviors impacted my friends and family who stayed with me through the quarter century ordeal. I was a drug addict and none of us even knew.
Let me try. Here’s a disorder I’ve observed first hand.
1. Prolonged use of mind altering drugs and/or electroshocks to alter moods and thoughts.
2. The treatments entail distress and poor concentration.
3. The treatments cause pain, cognitive decline, and numerous other health issues.
If you are on good terms with family members the Mental System will try to create division quite often. Happened to me and others.
They only wanted me to date other “consumers” and discouraged socializing with non-consumers. Not sure what the motives were. But cutting you off from friends is what cults do.
I_e_cox I agree with you. This whole scenario with:
1. Expert Doctor Monarchs who must never be questioned even when they contradict each other.
2. The Doctors/Demagogues who inflict their will over us all in the name of “our own good” or “for the public” who are never held accountable for bad advice.
3. It doesn’t matter if it ruins your career, your hopes of a family, renders you homeless, depresses you, or injures your physical health from months/years of isolation and stress. Don’t you ever dare quit distancing till Experts say you can. Maybe before you die.
4. Because obedience is all that matters the Experts are happy to throw you a bone every month or two so you won’t starve (hopefully.) Quit taking care of yourself. Self reliance is evil and wrong. Only eat what the Demagogue/Doctors feed you.
1. Never question a psychiatrist. Ever. This shows “poor insight” and doctors don’t make mistakes or lie.
2. Being forced to take drugs that make you miserable, tired and stupid is for your own good. And you owe it to society to be good pill popper or you endanger them by morphing into a mass shooter or something through non compliance.
3. It doesn’t matter if you feel horrible and can no longer read, work, get along with others, or attend to basic hygiene. It doesn’t matter if the pills give you grand mal seizures, heart palpitations, spasms, make you vomit uncontrollably for days on end, or put you into a coma. You must be “meds compliant” till you die. Doctor’s orders.
4. Because compliance is all that matters, once the “meds” have incapacitated you the Experts will sign a paper so their cronies in Washington will give you a pittance every month to scrape by on. The flunkies at the Mental Illness Center chastise you for wanting to be able to care for yourself. Shame on you for wanting to work. Besides that’s unrealistic cause you’re crazy. Lol.
“Rejected the idea that insanity reduced people to animals…” Did it though?
The whole notion of “mental illness” is that those marked by psychiatrists are not fully human. Incapable of higher reasoning and completely amoral. Just like animals.
The “treated” are viewed as pets. The “untreated” as rabid dogs–either to be captured and rendered docile (helpless) or shot.
It’s paradoxical that the notion of “mental illness” discourages trying to better yourself. Just the opposite of what AA is supposed to preach.
Being told how hopeless I was as a “bipolar” led to my relinquishing self control. (Not alcohol but a psych drug that sent me on the bad trip that ruined my life.)
It’s also disgusting how opportunists are using the notion of “alcoholism is a disease” to push far deadlier and more addictive drugs on the person as a “treatment” for drinking wine or beer.
Since souls are immaterial the thought of healing them with drugs or surgery is ridiculous. If you believe in souls. Either way, “psychiatry” should go the way of mesmerism. It claims to heal what doesn’t exist (materially) by material means of drugs and brain mutilation.
I recommend saying, “False dilemma fallacy!” Then repeat your original statement or question. It should be apparent to onlookers that they’ve resorted to red herrings to avoid the real issue.
Susan, both Richard and OH agree with many of the points you have made.
Respectfully questioning is not the same as insulting. Please don’t take it personally.
“There’s nothing also to say that a Qualified Doctor, is any better than a Library Assistant at helping a person get through Emotional Distress.”
Correct.
Doctors are great at dealing with ruptured appendixes or inflamed adenoids or broken limbs. But if you feel sad or lonely you should phone a friend.
Asking a GP for help with emotional pain is like asking one for advice on roof repair. Not their field.
“So the obvious question is how hunting can safeguard the rights of its targeted subjects while its task remains to precisely turn them into venison jerky and sausage.”
It’s been a real struggle to me not to hate humanity.
Unlike Frankenstein’s monster I used to be a human being till They damaged me beyond hope of recover and dishonored me forever in the eyes of all Humanity.
Shrinks have harmed me–while causing suffering–by pretending their cruel, pointless experiments fixed known brain abnormalities. Apparently many were laughing up their sleeves when they talked about the “scientifically proven chemical imbalance.”
But they couldn’t have done it without help from all the “normals” applauding the cruel damage. I know this was ignorance (except for a few like Pete Earley.) But if your kid were getting worse instead of better every time the doctor put him on something to “treat” the problem which wasn’t bad till after the doctor “helped” it would make sense to try figure out what was wrong.
They don’t know because they don’t care. Sticking a “loved one” in a psych ward to be drugged and shocked indefinitely is easier than doing a little research to look for ways of actually helping people. Happier handing you over to the tender mercies of the experts. Then they can ignore the relative forever. Almost as good as locking them in the old asylums.
Lots of people have no choice Dr. Monk. Do you really think there are no social or legal repercussions to such a decision? It’s almost never an informed one.
After a break down following 3 weeks of sleeplessness from a bad reaction to the drug Anafranil my shrink cheerfully told Mom it wasn’t HIS fault her daughter had schizophrenia. Joyfully ruined my life causing everyone to write me off as a psycho killer.
Put me on 10 mg of Haldol. Hell between my ears. Seizures, constant dry mouth, tardive psychosis, eyes rolling back. All attributed to my illness.
Psychiatrists go around telling how those they diagnose are all would-be mass shooters. Through guilt by diagnosis/association they claim we’re morally defective in some intrinsic way no other human beings are. Only drugs can save us from becoming violent, suicide, cheating on our spouses, lying, stealing. All “symptoms” in various DSM categories known as “mental illnesses.” Whether we actually DO any of the above is irrelevant. The doctor has pronounced us morally diseased so we’re automatically worse than felons.
(I don’t know you personally Dr. Theolonius. But prominent members of your profession have gone on national television to warn society of the monsters posing as humans in their midst. Also known as “schizophrenics” and “bipolars.” You aren’t directly responsible for what Dr. Fuller Torrey says. But you must be aware of it.)
I was repeatedly told for 25 years that I had a brain disease with a known biomarker. That it had already been proven my “illness” came from a chemical imbalance in my broken brain. Not for two decades did I read William Glasser and then articles by the President of the APA declaring otherwise.
Had to relocate and start over where no one knows me while slowly tapering. No help from any doctor. I knew better than to ask for any.
For years I took the XXXX pills though they doubled my weight, made me seize, vomit, lose teeth, grow so tired I couldn’t keep up with simple ADLs like bathing regularly. They made me miserable and numb. Yet I took them conscientiously. Not for myself but for my loved ones. I didn’t want to hurt them or be a burden.
Because of my wrecked body…real doctors who don’t know all my psychiatric history have diagnosed me with IBD and other autoimmune diseases…I still can’t work. All iatrogenic I firmly believe. More of a burden then ever from trying to do the right thing as a “conscientious consumer with excellent insight.”
Obeying the rules doesn’t work in a corrupt system.
I wish I’d broken an actual law instead of seeing a shrink. That would have had fewer legal repercussions. Seriously. Criminals have more rights in our society than law abiding citizens labeled as “severely mentally ill.” Once you get that label how you behave–the content of your character–is completely irrelevant. Everyone expects the worst of you. Especially if they know you’re “off your meds”
Been off mine for nearly 3 years. Doing better in many ways. No melt down despite lockdown stress. My parents acknowledge I wasn’t crazy after all. I’m an embarrassment to the psychiatric profession. And doctors in general who remain thick as thieves and will carry the banner for men like Farid Fata.
Not anti-medicine but I don’t trust doctors. Buy the used car but don’t believe a word the salesman says.
Too much censorship can backfire. Hence the growth of the FlatEarther movement. I view it as too ridiculous to be worth censoring–even if I believed in denying them a platform. But I have more respect for people’s intelligence than Big Bro Mark.
Because of this heavy handedness more people are getting angry and distrustful of PolitiFact. Great at spinning. Though if you read the entire article PolitiFact puts out you’ll see they call things “fake news” based on technicalities. Often hearsay from an anonymous source.
More of us are leaving. Too angry to wait to be banned. Hopefully this will cause FB to become the next Yelp or Tumblr.
Been on FaceBook and repeatedly get censored for posting anything remotely hopeful. Got threatened with invisibility. Planning on transferring my followers to a new platform where many of them are already located.
Mild depression keeps people passive so they put up less resistance to sales ads posted on sites.
I have no problem–in theory–with Zuckerberg doubling his wealth. But it looks like he’s willing to cause a worldwide depression impoverishing nearly everyone else to achieve this end. I have a problem with that.
On the one hand you have the trope of the helpless “mentally ill.” The poor Village Idiot who wanders the street muttering to himself and is mentally a five-year-old.
On the other you have the trope of the “psycho killer.” The EVIL madman–sometimes with fits of brilliance in finding ways to do random acts of evil. Such as Hannibal Lector or Norman Bates. The scary creeper society needs protection from.
Psychiatrists use the second trope in calls to action against mass shootings and the first when trying to sound compassionate. They flip flop between calling a “case” or human being “cognitively impaired” regardless of how coherently the “case” can defend herself/himself. And warning the public of how dangerously “unstable” this person will be if they don’t have their way with them.
This two fold approach is useful for those who can’t see through it. By calling the person evil the psychiatrist alienates them from everyone–rendering the non-labeled more agreeable to subject the former friend or loved one to dubious treatments that cause obvious suffering. And depicting the person as incompetent and dumb makes the psychiatrist look benevolent and humane. Rendering him more trustworthy so family members feel safe delivering the relative into his allegedly tender mercies.
Yes, but without depicting all the “severely mentally ill” as dangerous they couldn’t readily turn them into cash cows to milk–uh, I mean get them the Treatment they need. 😛
Don Karp that’s why I’m so miserable.
Sorry, I have no reason to trust any doctors. Especially bureaucrats with degrees in medicine.
I would rather take my chances with the Bubonic Plague itself than let these micro-managing control freaks ruin the world. THEY are what really scare me. Not the Covid-19. Even if it had 70% fatality rates like many of the ignorant imagine.
No, I realize Dr. Fauci never said this. All a bunch of hysterical pearl clutching from watching the News on TV. But this insane fear encourages compliance to the lockdown.
This is supposed to be for the greater good and save countless lives. These people aren’t dead yet and won’t die–in this segment of the multiverse–if we all hunker down and OBEY the Medical Experts. They’re doctors after all. They don’t make mistakes and only want to save lives.
If lots of people die it will be in spite of lockdown. Or because we didn’t follow it strictly enough they’ll say. If mortality rates drop it will be because of the lockdown.
This whole scenario is all too familiar to me. Very depressing. And it may never end.
I got so sick of being told how much I needed to love myself during all those years of adult preschool. AKA “day treatment” and “clubhouse.”
Made me want to burst into song, “I love me. I love me so./I took myself to a movie show./I put both arms around my waist./I got so fresh I slapped my face!”
I actually did during one incredibly dull session. 😀
Like C.S. Lewis I find the reverse is true. I must love my neighbor before I can love myself as my neighbor.
Yes.
The entire premise of Pharma-psychiatry is that SCIENCE has proven people feel down or have weird thoughts only because of bad brain chemistry. And they have the pills to adjust it so you’ll feel normal again.
A giant hoax. And even the non medical people who spread this lie know it’s a hoax. Pete Earley admits as much on his blog–justifying this deception by saying the drugs work. Meaning they turn “loved ones” into passive, sickly zombies who won’t annoy relatives.
I was hoping this article would share more details on how ignorant or knowledgeable your friendly neighborhood shrink is. It doesn’t.
A blogger I follow is worried about how his alleged brain disease is flaring up. Being forced to stay unemployed and at home all day has nothing to do with it. He thinks.
Of course, like me, he’s dealt with “sadness shaming.” Our shallow culture can no longer handle anyone the least bit glum or serious. So it’s either a disease we must cure immediately or a shameful sin we must repent of so we can grin ear to ear perpetually like we’re s’posed to. 😛
Now that I no longer see my depression as a disease I no longer struggle with it for days or weeks at a time. If I feel blue I ask myself, “What can I do to feel better?” It never lasts more than a day or two. Amazing how changing that mindset helped me cope with it successfully.
They’re much better at concealing what their intentions. To be fair–most neighborhood shrinks believe they help people.
“Life saving medications. They are just like insulin for diabetes.”
But nobody gets better even if we take them faithfully. Our bodies and brains fail rapidly. And no one cares but us.
And maybe our loved ones. If “mental health” fails to alienate them. They don’t like family members offering real emotional support and love to us.
NAMI actually had a bunch of people slip in to do that? Okay. When I first read I thought it was gaslighting. Now it looks like was just an advertisement. “This is what having ‘schizophrenia’ feels like.”
I didn’t know NAMI was supposed to be a patient’s advocacy group. I belonged to it (as a mascot) for some years. It was supposed to be about helping us and reducing the discrimination or stigma NAMI created with other ad campaigns to begin with.
They liked to hear the voices of “high functioning” people like me. As long as I praised my life saving medications and the benevolent doctors who could do no wrong.
Check out Vernon Coleman’s blog. https://vernoncoleman.com He is an outside the box thinker. Argues that modern meat is unsafe to consume, criticizes the lockdown, and condemns modern medicine for pushing SSRI’s on everyone they can.
He left medicine (MD) to write books a while back. Reminds me of Peter Breggin a little. Same generation. I wonder if he’d write for MIA.
Covid-19 is being used for two things. Selling a vaccine that’s probably just a placebo. And propaganda.
They say they should have it out in a year so we should just stay home till then. Really? AIDS has been around for well over 30 years and there’s no vaccine for that virus yet. I’m sure Gates and Big Pharma will be handsomely paid after keeping the populace isolated and fearful for months on end.
It also makes great propaganda for Big Brother rising up from the depths of the sea. Every great tyrant knows the best populace is a divided one where everyone distrusts and fears their neighbor. Hysterical fear of a possible infection with a small chance of dying is a great way to turn us all against each other. A bunch of selfish, cowardly misanthropes with no social support except the evening news and “social” media is very easy to control.
I’ve already promised myself if I see an elderly person passing out from the stupid mask at WalMart I’m going to help them. Yeah, I know it means exposing myself. So?
Better to die from the virus (unlikely as that is) than live on as one of those caricatures who beats up little old ladies for coming within five feet (the old lady is way more apt to die than a 30 year old if she’s infected.) Or one of those killjoy “karens” who drives around looking for children to scream “I hope you all get Covid-19 and die!” at because they’re playing in the park. A school teacher was doing this. 😛 Or one of those people who doesn’t know their grandma died till six months after since they never made phone calls and rejoiced at the pandemic since they had an excuse to quit visiting her nursing home. Or–speaking of the medical profession–that doctor near me in Louisville who assaulted a teenage girl (choking her) for the horrible crime of enjoying a sunset in the park.
None of these behaviors are rational. If you’re so worried over infection why run toward the person for further contact as you try to punch or throttle them? These activities require touching the person. If you’re worried over their safety why scream how you hope they die?
Covid-19 offers a great excuse to act like selfish jerks. Many are taking advantage of the situation.
If this were the next Bubonic Plague (it isn’t) it still wouldn’t justify these behaviors. There are fates far worse than death. Like losing our humanity.
Quit lying.
Quit telling “consumers”–or using mouthpieces like NAMI to tell them–that Science has proven they have a “broken” brain proven to be caused entirely by a “chemical imbalance” and faulty genes already discovered.
Quit telling people experiencing a bad trip caused by the mind altering drugs you push that it’s all their fault. Those drugs never have that effect on anyone. Unless they’re crazy to start with or lying about taking them “exactly as prescribed.”
Quit telling family members “Drug X never does that to anyone. It’s all John’s illness causing him to sleep 12 hours a day, not cry or smile, silently pace for hours at a time, have mini seizures while his eyes roll back in his head. If he would just take his ‘meds’ exactly as prescribed he wouldn’t bother you with these symptoms. Obviously he’s not really taking them.” (Any search for drug side effects can help us catch you in this deception anyhow.)
Quit lying to the public about how your Science has the infallible ability to weed out serial killers, mass shooters and all other criminal types in our midst with laundry lists of personality traits that lump groups of random individuals together as guilty or “sick” by association. Is red your favorite color? So was Jeffrey Dahmers’!
Quit lying to the public about how you want to end “stigma.” You don’t. “Stigma” or slander is the best advertising technique to sell your product as Fuller Torrey, Tim Murphy, and countless others know.
Yes. Telling the truth is pretty essential to morality. Especially when people’s reputations, health, and lives are at stake.
Quit lying.
I keep thinking of that movie The Minority Report.
Psychiatry is our society’s pre crime division. But unlike the movie, no one holds them accountable for their mistakes. And those they accuse get punished anyhow.
All by pretending the treatments are restorative rather than punitive in nature. And they’re doctors. Not penal enforcers of unwritten rules they can change on a whim. 0 accountability and 100% immunity.
Why not just make suicide illegal and say all unsuccessful attempts will be punished by imprisonment, pharmaceutical torture, possible brain mutilation, and public defamation? The only difference between this scenario and the way things actually are is the Pre-Crime Psych(ic) enforcers are allowed to pose as medical healers. Psychiatry’s got nothing to do with healing people.
I say fear because I have had no direct encounters. My sister’s roommates caught it and recovered without hospital care. She tested negative. My rural community has no cases yet. A family friend in a city caught it and got better. As did my 89 year old great aunt.
The lockdown itself is stressful. But I’m okay.
Before stuff started opening I used Skype and Zoom to visit along with letters and phone calls. Way better than social media for human connection.
Now we go to church–with S.D. in place–and I visit my neighbors in the open air.
Since going off my psych drugs I’ve developed an emotional resiliency I never had before. Violating Expert orders was the scariest thing I’ve ever done.
But I ignored the Experts after doing a lot of homework. According to them I should be acting like Eric Harris/Ted Bundie/Norman Bates/a rabid dog. Or at least unable to talk coherently or care for myself or get along with people I meet. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
No more mood swings, better at reading social cues, normal heart rate, improved hygiene and home maintenance. All these horrible things happened after I fled the mental illness makers.
Stories like mine are an embarrassment to the APA and the AMA too. Psychiatry is cancer on western medicine. Not to mention the legal system–which now has a way to bypass due process and punish the innocent.
Don’t forget those branded at hopelessly “severe mental” cases to help cover some doctor’s butt because he refuses to acknowledge that his precious SSRI’s can drive people crackers.
Heaven forbid he let you go off the drugs so you can function again after catching up on sleep after he kept you awake for 3 weeks in a row. Better label you a “bipolar” menace to society so everyone will shun you till you die. And Dr. Quackenbush can bill your insurance for 3-6 drugs instead of just 1. Including the very drug he KNOWS caused the problem. 😛
I imagine these un-healers cackling with glee and sipping champagne to celebrate every time they ruin some young life this way. Cha-ching! Souls for cash.
I’d say “Shame on them.” But they are as shameless as they are remorseless for all the people they’ve harmed and killed.
I remember how Julie Greene emphasized that the whole point to psychiatry was eugenics. It is based upon the philosophy of social darwinism.
I admit I was slightly skeptical. Eugenics?
Not sure the mainstream shrink at your friendly neighborhood mental illness center knows. Probably clueless. Most of mine were friendly and tried to keep me from suffering too much.
But I believe there’s an inner circle at the top–the guys who invent new “diseases” and make guest appearances on national TV warning Joe Schmoe how evil and dangerous all the “untreated mentally ill” are. They know what they’re doing and show no pity.
The whole premise to psychiatry is certain groups of people are “defective criminal types.” This grew popular in the 19th century. According to eugenicists these “defectives” need to be weeded out from society and prevented from breeding more “inferior stock.” Regardless of the content of their characters and actual behaviors “blood will tell” and these Men of Science must weed out the defectives.
This demonizing of those they claim to help is necessary for psychiatrists since if others saw them as ordinary people they would call them out on the inhumanity of the cruel, pointless experiments they persist in inflicting on hapless test subjects.
This defamation campaign has proven highly effective. Stigma is a shrink’s best friend. They WANT to turn our families and friends and everyone including other doctors against us.
Most people don’t think this through. But they believe the SCIENCE. In their defense many think they’re helpful telling us to take drugs. But thinking we’re all dangerous monsters makes them avoid us. (Duh.) And my guess is doctors don’t care about the quality or quantity of our lives. They have similar attitudes about the disabled and elderly but the notion that we’re all would-be-mass-shooters rendered temporarily harmless via SCIENTIFIC MAGIC makes them treat us worse.
When I moved I managed to not get “bipolar” on most medical records. Just “depression” and all those physical problems inflicted by psychiatry. Amazing how helpful and nice doctors are now.
Lisa is bleeding? Where? Her heart is racing so hard it hurts?
WTH??? 🙁 This crap is killing people like Lisa.
Assuming she wants this drug I still worry about her health. But my guess is she’s not taking with with informed consent. Just told she has to take this miracle pill NO MATTER WHAT.
If Lisa tells her shrink or doctor how horrible it makes her feel–assuming her body can’t adapt–they may change her to something that makes her feel less horrible (for a while.) Or just threaten her with horrible things that will happen if she ever dares to go off. It’s a coin toss.
Pernicious anemia, IBD and other autoimmune problems. Including abnormal bleeding. My heart beat was very erratic till I finally disobeyed my quack. It may have saved my life.
“Antidepressants” have already had studies showing they lower inhibitions and empathy.
Yet prominent psychiatrists urge that still more people be put on these drugs to lower mass killings. Arguing that people murder others because of low self esteem. I dunno. How about not thinking about future consequences (low inhibitions) and not caring about others (lack of empathy)?
Astounding ignorance as to how human beings think or what motivates us. Pseudo science combined with a view of humanity less complex or nuanced than a comic book.
These mind altering drugs do not transform a bunch of Mr. Hyde’s into Dr. Jekyll’s anymore than heroin does. NAMI propaganda notwithstanding.
Yes. NAMI is behind the police brutality toward the “mentally ill.”
Doesn’t require much brain power to see how convincing armed enforcers that others are monsters will lead to more shootings and brutality of these people. But NAMI wants to make the world’s largest omelet and are more than happy to break countless numbers of eggs to achieve this end.
I avoid all things “mental health” now. If I know someone works for “mental health” I will cross over to the other side of the street to avoid them if I can. They think they’re kind when they lock you up and destroy you with drugs, shocks and other random brain damage.
They deny the humanity of their “compassion” objects. Zero empathy because of this denial. All our suffering is written off as fake just like we’re “fake people” in their eyes–without real thoughts or feelings. Only walking brain diseases.
Delusional and dangerous. Lacking insight into their own motivations.
Sadly psychiatrists are already planning on setting up their own police. My guess is if you end the current police system, “mental health” will take over completely as far as those already labeled are concerned. 🙁
Defund psychiatry. Its propaganda is behind police hatred and fear of the “mentally ill.”
This may surprise you OH, but many would not see the sarcasm. A lot of NAMI mommies actually tell themselves that.
I wonder how many killed themselves because they had been persuaded of that. It nearly drove me to suicide. 🙁
Unlike brain cancer or epilepsy, “mental illness” means you are hopelessly evil. Like hyper calvinism–only it’s just a minority of genetic throw backs or “criminal types” who are depraved. With no hope of redemption for any of them.
“Mental illness” stigma is actually based on character traits that are ascribed to one by a “medical expert” regardless of personal conduct or moral integrity.
Steve I imagine a couple shrinks discussing this.
“So Bob, how long do you think you’d grieve if your wife died?”
“I dunno Bill. It took me less than a week to get over her leaving me. Too many hangovers from partying.”
Both laugh.
“I can’t imagine grieving more than a week for mine. Ten days tops.”
“I never grieve over losing anyone. Emotional attachment is a sure sign of mental illness. My dog died today. No big deal. I did what any sane person would. Put the carcass out with the weekly trash and added ‘visit the pound’ on my things to do list.”
“Let’s say fourteen days tops. I can’t imagine loving anyone so much you grieve them that long unless you’re severely mentally ill.”
No word about the role all those “safe and effective treatments” play at wearing down the immunity, causing diabetes, heart or breathing issues. Guess that would be pill shaming. 😛
You got that right!
I actually prefer A Beautiful Mind’s depiction of someone labeled “mentally ill” despite its flagrant inaccuracies and NAMI approved message. At least it doesn’t show Nash turning into a comic book villain from going off his neuroleptics.
70% of those labeled “schizophrenic” used to get back on their feet or “recover” before pharma psychiatry.
Now it’s below 16% and only because they really lowered the bar for what counts as a decent life. And the life expectancy post diagnosis is roughly cut in half.
But the “mental health” industry likes it fine. More treatments to sell and more long term “consumers.”
Pretty annoying when two thirds of your buyers find they can lead better lives drug free and you need to drum up new ones. At that rate how are you going to expand your turf?
Makes me wonder if this was what the whole pandemic was started for.
To drive as many crazy as possible and sell more psych drugs. And finally an overpriced vaccine.
Frank, I’m not sure what OTC drugs are available in Britain. Over here it varies from state to state. But I’ve used adult cough syrup for one or two nights to break an insomnia cycle.
There are a number of sleeping pills here I could buy at Walmart. I try to avoid shrinks. If I see someone I know works for mental health I’ll do all I can to stay out of their way. They’re a danger to my health, my freedom, and my life itself.
Something I see as a potential problem for prescription cannabis is psychiatry’s long track record of blaming everything it does on the consumers’ alleged brain disorder. AKA the consumer him/herself.
A lot of young people labeled “schizophrenic” for life simply got locked up during a bad trip. As a sort of ironic and excessive punishment (called treatment) they’re forced to take massive quantities of mind altering drugs to make them miserable till they die prematurely.
I only took what Dr. M gave me. A “therapeutic” dose of the SSRI Anafranil. Yet my three weeks of sleeplessness and hallucinations were all blamed on me. Dr. M swore up and down that “They never have that effect on anyone!”
Is this merely a clever attempt to create more “schizophrenia diagnoses” by encouraging use of a drug that can cause vivid hallucinations?
For those of you who like MJ, my argument is with psychiatrists prescribing it and interpreting all the temporary effects as symptoms of a life long brain disorder–which requires crippling drugs and a life in segregation to maintain.
Drugs that cause real disabilities and segregation from mainstream society are psychiatry’s gifts. 🙁
I’m too damaged to work now. Iatrogenic disease thanks to psychiatric treatment.
But I escaped because I managed to sneak off to another county and my parents let me stay for a while.
Better to have a middle class or poor family that loves you when it comes to escaping psychiatry. Evan Durst’s family used its wealth to hound him. Just like rich people would pay tidy sums to asylum keepers for locking up annoying relations in Victorian times.
The great novelist Jane Austen had to get her brother to sign her publishing contracts for her since she was an unmarried woman. (No hubby to sign for her.)
Nowadays a woman can be placed in a similar situation. Not because of her gender but alleged “mental illness.”
It makes no difference how rationally you behave nor how reasonable your arguments. Your label will cover it all.
Well, if they’re talking about the Fear–rather than the virus itself–it’s entirely psychological. The Fear seems to be killing large numbers of people as they commit suicide and develop stress related illnesses.
Even though it’s contagious your odds of dying from it are slim. Not arguing the lock down here but pointing out how ridiculous the Fear is. Caution is smart; hysteria is not.
This reminds me of The Bird Box. Only the monsters aren’t Out There. They’re in our screens.
Way easier to avoid.
Don’t watch TV and moderate other media. Read more literary classics and talk to real people through Skype/Zoom/or the phone. Write letters. I hear physical stationary is making a comeback now. It gives a sense of physical contact that e mails don’t.
Me neither. Individuals can turn over new leaves, but they have to renounce wrong doing.
As OH has pointed out we already have a penal system for violent criminals. For the unhappy I think we need better social networks. Not an alternative to psychiatry, but something originally there which psychiatry has done its best to supplant.
Thanks for this piece, Maria. As you point out it’s not just our health and economy at risk, but our relationships and human networking.
All the “normals” are acting crazy now. Look at the videos going viral of screaming at teens at the beach, some doctor trying to choke a girl for not social distancing. How would choking a contagious person lower your own exposure???
Some school teacher screaming at children on a swing set, “I hope you all get sick and die.” Such compassion and dedication to saving lives. 😛
Crazy behaviors from otherwise “normal” people. Wonder how much sooner they’d have lost it in the psych system
This is not a war. A plague would be a stretcher, but more accurate. Similar hysteria occurred during the Spanish Flu Epidemic. The plagues were even worse.
And, despite higher mortality rates, there was less isolation. No internet to render “staying home” so widely accessible. During a war we can do active things and bond with fellow soldiers or our communities. Even those on the home front–like Rosie the Riveter. Instead we’re called to isolation and passivity. Way more stressful.
I feel no satisfaction at “normals” driven mad by medical bureaucrats. Only anger and frustration and sorrow. I put no faith in a doctor simply because he is a doctor after my experiences with psychiatry. A field totally approved as a legitimate specialty by the AMA. Fleeing it may have saved my life.
Some of my negative emotions might be considered “PTSD”? I don’t know. This pandemic reminds me so much of “mental health” with its gas lighting.
Who knows though? Maybe we outcasts who have survived it can help people through this traumatic event.
I was talking to a friend last night about this movement. Her cousin/friend hears voices. The drugs bring some relief but wear off. She frequently quits them and those around her blame the return of her voices on “non compliance.” As someone who fully “complied” religiously from 1992-2016 I know why she goes off the drugs (they make life miserable) and they really don’t stop the voices long term for most.
I went to Day Treatment. A lot of the “rebel” types would stop drugs cold turkey–frequently drink or use street drugs and act weird so they’d get locked up again. But there were many others who swore by their “meds” yet found no long term relief. “Despite” faithful obedience of swallowing the vile stuff they’d hear the same voices after a month or two. The smart ones learned not to complain. Doctors didn’t like it and would just lock you up again and put you on more drugs that made you feel worse.
Woe to you if the Sacred Neuroleptics did not quell the voices or amplified them. Telling this to anyone in “mental health” was blasphemy. It was either dismissed as an unfortunate fluke–your fault for being “resistant” or you were accused of lying to get out of taking these life saving pills that “never had that affect on anyone.” They also claimed Haldol doesn’t cause seizures and Risperdol doesn’t cause weight gain. Grrr.
Posting this article on FB where my friend and her cousin can read it. Thanks for writing it Kermit!
Psychiatric “diagnoses” are glorified name calling. As scientific as insults by the playground bully.
A lot of shrinks get upset at people joking about feeling “bipolar” or complaining about a “schizophrenic” coworker. They complain that only They–the leading medical experts have the right to call people these things.
Reminds me of some skit I saw on TV where a bully on the schoolyard yells at his toady that only he (the bully) has the right to call the other kids “stupid idiots.”
You COULD argue that names like “smelly poo poo head,” “dummy,” “slowpoke” and “ugly” are scientifically valid. Some people are dumber, slower, and uglier than others….Not sure how such names will help. But Bullies don’t want to help. Only show their supremacy and lord it over the other children.
Sadly psychiatry enables abusers. Usually by accident. But since they make snap judgments about moral character (diagnosing) they focus almost entirely on externals. If the abuser dresses well and is a smooth talker they’ll see him or her as the “normal” one as opposed to the nervous, unkempt victim.
They’ll label the victim as dangerous and give the well dressed abuser full power of attorney. Survival of the fittest is the law of psychiatry.
Why wasn’t Bailey locked up, drugged and shocked? Sounds like that psychiatrist had a severe mental illness.
Next time a psychiatrist complains about high suicide rates in their profession offer condolences before reminding them that according to their profession only the severely mentally ill ever think of suicide.
Apparently they’re too afraid of stigma. I for one, don’t want them killing themselves but getting the treatment they DESERVE.
The DSM gives psychiatrists the right to treat harmless eccentrics and sufferers of Lyme Disease the same as pedophiles.
They spread the word on TV, newspapers, social media about how “The reason this man kidnapped and murdered all those children is because he was a bipolar.” Doesn’t take a genius to put two and two together and decide all “bipolars” are serial killers.
Interesting how he brings up psychiatry’s power to punish people for being sex offenders without taking any actual crimes into account. Who gives a rip about what you actually DID? Lol.
The shrink says you’re a monster. The public will believe him.
Why I got kicked out of college.
Punish innocent people for crimes they might commit in the future. Great way to rehabilitate ’em.
The “sex offender” analogy sickens me. “Mental health” frequently lumps harmless eccentrics and the suffering in with perverts and murderers. I don’t think this is an accident either.
Scaring the public and whipping them into a frenzy against the alleged monsters in their midst is great PR for psychiatry as Torrey and Murphy know.
Label a law abiding citizen as “bipolar” or “schizophrenic” and you can treat them worse than a convicted murderer. My label ruined my life. No apologies coming from any of Kriegman’s colleagues.
I loathe psychiatry.
He doesn’t address any of us. Speaks over us to his esteemed colleagues and peers. Appears to think MIA is a respected site for scholarly articles endorsed by the APA.
I refuse to visit any counselor tied to “mental health.” I don’t need being repeatedly told how sick and crazy I am, how deluded I am for having dreams like “normal” people and why I should only date people as “defective” as myself. Since normal, healthy humans wouldn’t understand me.
A woman who drowns her baby used to be called a murderer. Novelists write novels. Painters paint pictures. Murderers commit murders. But people like a neat explanation to make themselves feel secure and build their egos for being “normal.”
Saying, “A woman only drowns her baby because she is ‘bipolar,'” is a way of imposing guilt by association on a lot of law abiding citizens. This made me suicidal after my “diagnosis” since I believed my shrink that I was a monster. 🙁
A bunch of women at church took up a petition to stop me from teaching Sunday school once they found out about my label. I obeyed my stupid shrink and got treated like a pariah.
Relocated where no one knows my dirty secret. I’m physically damaged, so i tell people that’s my disability and why I can’t work and never had a family. Amazing how nice they are to me.
Tapering off the drugs helped me pick up on social cues and nuances. This Covid 19 scare is making “normal” people act nutty and ruining everyone’s social skills. The great equalizer.
I obey the law. But Covid 19 doesn’t scare me the way it does so many. I faced the idea that I was hopelessly insane from a genetic brain defect at twenty and proved the experts wrong.
This illness doesn’t scare me as much as the threat of hopeless insanity shrinks held over my head to keep me in line. Even dying from it scares me less. At 60% infection rates and maybe 5% mortality with my autoimmune issues, I’m more apt to catch it than die from it.
It is what it is. 🙂
All those “normals” sure are acting “crazy and paranoid.” Violent too. Proof that sanity is all relative and no one is immune to craziness.
i started 6 mg of Stelazine in spring 1992. My life didn’t fall apart till fall of 1993 when they labeled me “Schizoaffective” which my dorm mom kicked me out over. Said I was dangerous and frightened the other girls.
I’m not a murderer and it’s wrong for psychiatry to treat me as a violent criminal. They are punitive, not restorative in nature.
In claiming to be merciful rather than just to violent criminals–as an excuse to treat the law abiding like dangerous criminals–the mental illness system acts in ways contrary to both. Psychiatry is neither justice nor mercy.
The man would be offended at what I said about him because it’s true and would hurt his inflated image of the compassionate benefactor he imagines himself to be. As devoid of self awareness as he is compassion.
All of mine were voluntary. The drugs kept me from thinking straight but they told me I needed them and my loopiness was all my (illness’s) fault. I kept wanting to kill myself because I believed I was an evil monster and dangerous to others so suicide was the ultimate act of self sacrifice and love. The only noble thing a monster like me could do.
Now that I decided shrinks are full of it I’m no longer suicidal. Just angry.
Yep. He became an activist after his annoying sister-in-law Blanche–whoops Rose–moved in with them. Finally he got her taken away so she’d get the help she needed.
Just like a certain play by Tennessee Williams. “Stellaaaazine!”
I hope I didn’t give anyone insomnia for a week with a mental image of Deej with his shirt off. Lol.
I daresay Jaffe would not appreciate being locked up for days or weeks then released on a bunch of drugs that made him ill and a badge of shame that made everyone treat him like Jean Valjean at the opening of Les Miserables.
His argument would probably be: “Of course not. But I’m not mentally ill. Pain hurts me.”
Thanks Dr. Eric.
Love your new spin on the old (inaccurate) trope of “What if we treated physical illnesses like ‘mental illnesses’?”
Assume Dr. Diatram’s patient manages to recover. She’ll take all the credit and force him to spend the rest of his life surrounded by ice packs, giving himself daily morphine injections, and popping beta blockers. 🙂
Well said OH.
Judging from the article Dr. Tasch believes the narrative though she means well and might let some “asymptomatic” people leave the system at their discretion.
I knew better than to argue with my shrink. AKA psychiatric blasphemy.
The psychiatrists get paid for keeping us sick with drugs, emotionally abusive brainwashing, and shocks.
My parents were shocked at how much crazier I acted the longer I stayed in the MI System. Now I’m emotionally stable but in chronic pain much of the time. IBD, fingerprint-map-dot-eye dystrophy, and probably ME.
At least I can clean my apartment now. Still forced to live on SSI.
Shrinks told me if I was “good” I could enjoy a career and even maybe get married. Bunch of rubbish. Doubtful any of them believed their malarkey. 🙁
I loved Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH as a child.
(At 8 I disliked Don Bluth’s film because of the liberties it took. The book was thought provoking and I read about finely nuanced issues regarding self reliance, morality, and responsibilities that come with becoming sapient. Not Disney lite on speed.)
Unbeknownst to me there really was a place called NIMH. But instead of making rodents as intelligent as humans they’ve dedicated themselves to making humans as dumb as rodents. The fact that we can still read and write is proof that their methods need perfecting.
And I was repeatedly warned of cognitive decline and “deterioration” if I failed to do exactly as my psychiatrist ordered. Counselors and case workers at the local Mental Illness Centers I dutifully attended. Support groups like NAMI. All the literature and TV shows…mainstream literature of course. All warned how dumb/crazy/helpless/dangerous I’d become unless I took my “meds” religiously.
I pointed out how since starting my “therapeutic” doses of Haldol/Risperdol/Zoloft/Xanax/Celexa/Pick-your-neuropoison I could no longer take full time course loads at college or work full-time at my summer job or get by with less than 11 hours sleep. They would tell me it was all my “illness” which began at exactly the same time I sought “help” for social anxiety and had a horrible reaction to the SSRI. All entirely by coincidence. 😛 SMH
It is 100% hereditary too. The reason it’s not only just but compassionate for society–led by the shrinks–to treat the “mentally ill” like pieces of garbage is we’re subhuman genetic throwbacks/monsters. Not really human like the “normals” and the shrinks.
Must have mutated their DNA. Kind of like green, radioactive sludge in those old Saturday morning cartoons. Real SCIENCE folks!
I have vented on this site about sadness shaming. Hence the insistence that DEPRESSION IS A DISEASE. They wouldn’t have to justify it by calling it purely biological (and beyond our control) if we weren’t pressured to grin ear to ear all the time like the Cheshire cat. Why not let me feel glum? Really. Feeling blue is not a crime, but to hear some people it’s worse than being a bank robber.
And regarding loneliness I am sick and tired of well meaning articles lecturing on how the only reason you get lonely is you’re not full enough of self worth. That’s just dumb. Loneliness is not synonymous with low self esteem (though even that’s not a crime) and scheduling a make out session with your mirror isn’t the answer. 😛
Something more immediate also related to this Covid19 is the relentless pushing labels and drugs on people who feel lonely and desperate from physical isolation and job loss.
Psychiatry continues to do its dirty work and remains fully operational when everything else but Covid19 services are shut down.
Nagging someone to come off her or his drugs without a support system or decent tapering advice is a bad thing.
Even though I wish everyone could live drug free I know many won’t since going off is painful and demanding. And you need to do your homework and find a place you can hide if you’re a busy long term psych consomme.
(Psychiatric Consomme. My new word instead of their word “Consumer.” Never did like it even when I was one.)
A friend of mine is in AOT because she didn’t call me for information and just went cold turkey during lockdown before freaking out in her apartment and going to the psych ward. Again.
Some of us are disabled. Either with legitimate physical problems doctors brushed off as “severe mental illness.” Or crippled by the “treatments.” Drugs, shocks, and psycho-surgeries….
But I agree with you about “mad” not being a real thing. David Oaks kind of goes into that.
So sorry about Abraham’s death, Mr. McNeill. Your son’s fears were rational and justified. He didn’t want to be slowly tortured to death. That’s what psychiatry was doing to him.
I consider myself disabled. But not from any “mental illness.” I no longer exhibit any of the required traits after 30 months off my drugs. My disabilities are multiple autoimmune disorders and poor concentration/executive function. I blame these on the “cure” for the unprovable brain disease men cooked up and voted into existence to prove how they were Real Doctors. I didn’t know what pain was until they “helped” me.
If I were going to be harmed again like your son I would want to do what he did too. Psychiatric treatments are a fate worse than death. They ruin your health, your ability to earn a living and all hope of having a family. They cut your years in half and destroy your bodily organs.
Vaccinations against viruses are very ineffective according to doctors themselves.
I read that if they come out with a vaccine for Covid19 it will only be 40-50% effective. I guess that’s better than nothing. But it’s not a magical panacea to save us all.
Yet, what do you want to bet that if they come out with one the medical establishment will be lauded and the nanny state will finally let us leave our own homes?
Covid19 is finally showing non psychiatrized people what tyrants doctors can be. All “for your own good” of course.
I’m hoping we can use public distrust to turn sympathies against the Granddaddy of Control Freak Medical Science. Psychiatry. By Medical Science I mean manipulating brains to render you “docile and child-like.” As opposed to independent and functioning.
I struggle to trust any doctors. Not anti medicine. But anti liars.
The fact that the entire AMA continues to enable and even applaud the damages psychiatry forces upon it’s guinea pigs makes me angry at the entire medical community.
They know the drugs cause excessive weight gain, kidney failure, severe GI problems, heart arhythmia, diabetes and extensive damage to the brain and CNS yet they support business as usual and often push these drugs on their own patients for kickbacks or just to avoid looking into legitimate medical complaints.
Phooey on doctors. Despite their smarts and education they lie all the time. Worse than used car salesmen. I don’t trust any of them further than I can throw a piano.
Shrinks express sorrow at the “stigma” their test subjects experience in being denied housing, jobs they could perform despite being drugged up and having family and friends reject them.
Yet they refuse to accept any responsibility for the situation and love to go on national TV to tell the world how dangerous/stupid/evil all their “patients” are. As Paula Capplan points out if I tell someone you have tuberculosis and they avoid you does it make sense for me to express outrage over how they treat you?
I’ve noticed nobody proposed taking any action to lower the numbers in nursing homes during the epidemic or find housing for the homeless. Both sides of the political aisle are happy to let the status quo continue in those areas.
Aside from “nice guys” who were proposing locking up all the homeless in warehouse style asylums where the virus could still run rampant. Pure benevolence and altruism. Of course.
Isn’t it swell to have a bunch of bureaucrats/doctors running everything now?
My great-aunt has the virus. Got it at her nursing home. No efforts were taken to separate the infected from the rest.
“Windmill or no windmill, he said, life would go on as it had always gone on. That is–badly.” George Orwell. Animal Farm.
FWIW, more people than ever will be aware of the dangers of letting medical professionals grow too big for their lab coats and not holding them accountable.
It looks like the Covid-19 may be easier to contain than many feared. But the Experts are very reluctant to admit they made a mistake.
Epidemiologists are intelligent and know their stuff. But this virus was “novel” meaning something no one was familiar with. Baffling even to the experts. Hey, I’m fine with that. They know more than I do after all.
But rather than admitting. “Okay. We may need less draconian measures than we at first assumed. Yay! Let’s loosen up a little but wear your masks and wash your hands a lot and only visit outdoors for now. Here are the symptoms to look for if someone is contagious,” many insist on giving doom and gloom prophecies.
Hmm. Medical experts who would rather ruin people’s lives than admit they made honest mistakes or don’t know everything or give up unquestioned powers bestowed on them….This narrative rings a bell with me. And I bet many other survivors feel the same.
Glad I live in Indiana. Things are looking up. And I plan on lying lower than the government demands–this month–since the last batch of Medical Experts I trusted implicitly “helped” by destroying my autoimmune system.
My main source of stress has been “PTSD.” Fear of meddling (maybe less than honest) doctors taking over the world and destroying everything.
A lot of doctors seem to think now that human beings don’t need sunlight, fresh air, human companionship, or food to live. And can do just fine for another two years without them. Just like the shrinks assumed we didn’t need anything but our “meds” to lead a great life. Career, family, friendship, love, purpose in living, the amygdala, pancreas, kidneys, heart, frontal lobes, CNS, GI tract…all non-essentials for the “severely mentally ill.” Keep taking your “meds” no matter what!
(Food is hyperbole at this point. But if we keep total lockdown for 18-24 months like some experts recommend we can expect more and more empty shelves at the grocery stores and food banks when we’re allowed to go there.)
More people will realize how horrible SSRI drugs are and how they’re used to blame people who suffer from legitimate stressors as the opportunistic shrinks seize this opportunity to push their poisons. Dare we hope people will finally realize sorrow and loneliness are not brain diseases?
I agree. A better term might be emotional problems from poor nutrition.
I suffer from this thanks to years of psychiatric drugs messing up my insides. Now I require a B12 shot every month and an iron infusion every winter. Officially diagnosed with pernicious anemia and inflammatory bowel disease.
A public apology would be the best legacy Frances could leave at this point.
And maybe telling the public that those his profession branded “SMI” are not a bunch of would be psycho murderers waiting to go stabby stabby in the shower or licking their lips at the thought of cannibalism.
That was Julie Greene’s biggest offense against psychiatry. Branding all they claim to help subhuman monsters. Their drugs work well at making us look and act grotesque too. (I wonder if any psychiatrists realize this?)
So do you think the rest of us should be forcibly locked up and drugged? That’s what Allen Frances and all the members of the APA do and they use the DSM as an excuse.
If others want to use their labels and take psych drugs that’s one thing. But it’s forcing these on law abiding citizens against our will that we have a problem with.
The drugs made me hear voices and act weird. My label almost drove me to suicide. It’s very easy for William to get what he wants. Not so with the rest of us.
And my heart almost gave out. I might be dead if I hadn’t escaped. No suicide attempts despite the Covid19 stress either. My parents and siblings are amazed and pleased at my improvement.
As Whitaker explained above this article was not to validate psychiatry but to prove how it is political rather than medicinal. It also shows how large quantities of money are recycled through Big Pharma/APA/Washington.
But Anomie makes a great point about the APA calling the kettle black. And why do we need Lee and her colleagues to make decisions about how to vote?
They were slowly killing me for years with their “treatments” and my immune system that they damaged renders me more apt to die from Covid 19 even though I’m under fifty. My heart beats have finally stabilized thanks to defying Standard Treatment.
How dare these pearl clutching hypocrites use people like us–already damaged by THEIR profession–for virtue signalling to further their own careers?
It also shows how stupid our society is. It’s no longer enough to look at a person’s behavior and say, “He’s an abuser because he beats his wife and kids. She’s an arrogant, self-centered woman because she lies all the time to gain attention. He is a cruel sadist because he tortures small animals.”
Nope. That’s not good enough. Now we have to label the abuser as having “bipolar with intermittent explosive disorder” the liar as “narcissistic” and the guy who tortures animals is a “sociopath.”
Dr. Obvious to the rescue. Sad how some kind hearted abuse victims will stay with the abuser because the shrink says he’s sick instead of calling him out on his bad behaviors.
I remember urging this woman to leave her abusive husband. “But the poor dear has bipolar. I can’t leave him.” Another woman and I both urged her to leave since this did not give him the right to harm her. (Ironically we both were labelled “bipolar” yet shrinks say we’re all alike.)
Why judge people on the content of their characters? We have shrinks to brand them with pseudo scientific “diagnoses” instead.
And Heaven help you if you ever have a bad reaction to one of their drugs or run afoul of a psychiatrist. They’ll turn your nearest and dearest against you so you wind up leading the life of Richard Kimball.
By calling guilty people “sick” shrinks gain the right to punish the innocent for crimes they never have or will commit–by calling them “sick” too.
And only THEY have the power to do so. With no objective standards for anyone to hold them to.
I wish they would “diagnose” the most powerful man in the free world. Know why? It would show everyone how much undisputed power the APA has and how potentially dangerous they really are.
As well as the slush fund from the White House I wonder how much this fear of people wising up played a role in Lieberman’s behavior. Last time I checked he was not a Republican.
Shrinks are certainly not letting the Covid 19 emergency go to waste.
And when they act concerned about the possible lives lost I call BS on their fake compassion. Thanks to their “safe and effective treatments” I have an autoimmune disease and am as likely to die from Covid 19 as my Boomer parents.
And psych drugs make you more likely to die from it.
So sick of the pearl clutching virtue signallers. 0 regard for the lives of people like us. Phony as a bundle of three dollar bills.
A nation of lonely, depressed, alienated people is a psychiatrist’s ultimate fantasy. My guess is the APA is tickled pink at all the human misery now. Ghoulish and typical as we know too well.
Yes but these “untreated mental illnesses” do cause suffering which psychiatry can alleviate.
Psychiatry alleviates the suffering of the families who are embarrassed by the person’s odd behaviors and don’t want to look like bad guys by simply not inviting him to parties. So getting Johnny shot up with 15 mg of Haldol a day will make him quiet and inactive. No more suffering.
Psychiatry also alleviates suffering of the mainstream public by use of the placebo effect. Every time a mass shooting occurs some prominent shrink tells the public that of course only the “mentally ill” murder people like that and give him even more unquestioned authority and he will stop violent crimes forever by giving all the “mentally ill” people the “treatment” they so richly deserve for the crimes of a few they may have nothing in common with. Other than a shrink’s badge of shame.
Psychiatry alleviates the suffering of psychiatrists themselves. It stunk being the “Cinderella” of medicines. Now, thanks to drugs, shocks, and other forms of brain mutilation in the works they can show what honest-to-gosh-real-doctors they are.
When they praise psychiatry as highly effective this is what they really mean.
Thanks for sharing this Leah.
I’m going to post a link to this article on Facebook.
I suggest cloth masks. You can make them yourself with a YouTube video. Or just wrap a bandanna or scarf around your nose and mouth. That way we can reuse them and save the disposable kinds for medical facilities.
I’ve been using this time to instill distrust of the medical profession in the hearts of people using social media. Nothing blatant or out there. Just subtle little seeds of doubt and skepticism. A lot of people are open to the idea that doctors don’t have our best interests at heart right now.
My years as a psychiatric guinea pig while other doctors watched on smiling in approval, seeing the damage psychiatrists did to me have made me distrust and despise the entire American medical system. Not anti medicine. Anti doctors.
Just because someone is a doctor does not make them honest. All it means is if they decide to harm you they have superior training and smarts to do it without getting caught. And the other doctors cover for the crooked ones so they’re guilty in their own fashion. And of course the shrinks.
What kind of people do this? These doctors must know lithium destroys kidneys, neuroleptics ruin your brain and CNS, and SSRI drugs make your weight double and mess up your heart and gut. But they remain silent. Heaven forbid they save lives at the cost of “meds compliance.” 😛
Dr. Fauci has been caught changing his story. It was a minor lie about face masks not being helpful. To save masks for doctors he explained later.
But this has hurt public trust. Suddenly people are open to the idea that doctors tell lies and have their own agenda rather than the best interest of the public at heart.
I’m teaching some online friends the truth about psychiatrists right now. Many are open to this idea.
As Peter Breggin points out the reason they treat people that way with inpunity is because they claim to be “healing” them. Even if people could be persuaded it wasn’t “just your illness talking” they would see such bad experiences as a necessary evil in “getting them the treatments they deserve.”
The very word DESERVE speaks volumes. You can say a poor person deserves help. You can also say a horrible person deserves to suffer. We need to ask people making this argument what context of this word they are using.
Help the mainstream gain some insight into their own hearts.
Robert Nikkel, if you’re using your infiltration to save lives like Schindler did, God bless you.
I wish I knew more psychiatrists willing to criticize the damage their profession is doing. Aside from the writers here I don’t know any (personally) willing to question the way things are.
All mental centers I have gone to insist the only way to not kill yourself or those around you is take your “meds” without fail NO MATTER WHAT. Till you die prematurely despite the horrible way you feel. What I personally have seen and experienced after 26 years in the mental system.
They made me live in terror of my own mind for the whole time. Their message is what I hear preached on television, social media outlets and just about everywhere to this day.
But my view and experience are limited. I don’t know every doctor or psychiatrist in the world. I’m glad to know such men and women exist and wish they were more vocal.
I think I was unusually sensitive to SSRI drugs. Had an extreme reaction to Anafranil. High as a kite and sleepless for three weeks. The whole time I took it.
My “high” from Zoloft was milder and zapped me out of my depression. The depression was caused by getting kicked out of college, rejected by friends, having all my hopes and dreams dashed at age 20 and annoying my family by my drug addled behavior.
Their flocks are “defective.” Not sinful. Sin does not sound scientific. You can’t attone for bad DNA.
Not sure I’d call psychiatrists priests. More like tiny deities of their secular cult. (Yes. Some secular groups count as cults. I heard speculation that MLM can count.)
Because it exists in your core being you cannot repent and reform. You are the cancer to be eliminated or frozen so it won’t spread.
There can be no propitiation or sufficient penance when your existence itself is a sin.
I believe that’s why I couldn’t kick my suicidal urges after my diagnosis as “SMI.” Rejecting it gave me a new lease on life.
I feel for psychiatrists with consciences. I feel for their “patients” more though. Psychiatrists can always go rogue or choose a new specialty or become technical writers. They choose to stay in the field. No one court orders them to practice against their will.
Robert Nikkel if you want to help people you could see yourself as a secret infiltrator into the System. Then dedicate yourself to using your influence by kissing up and bribing the right people to save human beings who will otherwise be killed.
We could easily replace all shrinks and mental illness centers with kiosks where vending machines print out a diagnostic label and others dispense the appropriate drugs. But then who would malign us on national TV and write defamatory articles to the Boston Globe?
Bringing back old Victorian “lunatic” asylums seems to be the ultimate wet dream for psychiatrists I noticed. My guess is they’ll be able to collect more revenue for the millions they hope to cram in there after gas lighting them with SSRIs to make them hallucinate so they can label them “bipolar.”
I believe there is a Batman villain who runs an asylum where he puts his victims after driving them hopelessly insane with toxic nerve gas. Psychiatry is the only medical field that so closely resembles a comic book.
Dr Arkham: But Batman, they were already severely mentally ill. My toxic nerve gas just unmasked the symptoms
You mean the people who actually want the “mentally ill” to lead decent.lives and not die prematurely? I agree Nancy.
Take the message to those who want fewer people forced into disability and in asylums. Not swelling the ranks of the “SMI” so at least a third of the population is on a cocktail of poly pharma. Like the ancient Roman slave population. Or bringing back the Victorian asylums.
That still doesn’t excuse condemning trusting patients to a slow horrible death. And they make out like bandits.
Like my friend’s psychiatrist who partied on a Caribbean cruise after basically sentencing her to death at age 29. Dr. C seemed perfectly happy with zero regrets when she came back and found Karen dead. Plenty new cash cows where she came from.
I realized then they don’t care if we die. Literally. As long as we die “with our rights off” they’re chill with us dropping like flies.
According to psychiatric records there used to be a 70% recovery rate for “schizophrenics” too. And they didn’t die twenty to thirty years prematurely either.
Yet psychiatric professionals keep telling us how much better things are now. I guess they must mean the income and prestige that they experience. All that really matters of course. 😛
Just read an article in a journal of neuro-science how they think they found a bio marker for depression. Is this a real neurological condition they plan on actually fixing?
Heck no! Just an excuse to dole out more of the same poison that damages neuron receptors. Only now they’re hopeful for an excuse to force happy people to take the same old crap they’ve been handing out with for 30 years.
“We don’t know how SSRIs work. We just know that they always do. Because the consumers tell us so. If they don’t say the meds are working we keep them locked up till they do.”
How can anyone be that dumb? “Depression is the leading cause of disability.” Yet in order to get that disability check approved you need proof that you’re taking standard “treatments.” Hence SSRI drugs do not prevent disability from depression.
How can respected neuro scientists mix up cause and effect so thoroughly?
Since organizations/institutions are defined entirely by what they do, one cannot separate the who they are from what they do as one can individuals.
So I can forgive the psychiatrist who ruined my life–if he wants my forgiveness. But in order to forgive him I must acknowledge that he hurt me. I was wronged.
No debt means forgiveness is impossible.
The institution of psychiatry is all about punishing the weak while pretending to be merciful. It has dedicated itself to lies and punishment of the unfortunate. (Occasionally letting criminals off easily or pretending to. Part of their illusion.)
Deceit and senseless cruelty are evil. While I agree psychiatrists are human beings and some are kind and don’t abuse their powers as much as they could…most are not monsters…but they belong to the APA which demands deceit and cruelty in order to belong.
Some self deceive (I’m not hurting them. The drugs are good for them since they’d only wind up in asylums anyhow. They don’t have feelings like normal humans do. They’re all defectives, so it’s okay to inflict brain damage on them.) The prominent ones talk out of both sides of their mouths and keep changing the narrative through television interviews and books published.
The rest go rogue–like the psychiatrists blogging for MIA–or find another line of work. Or commit suicide because they can’t live with the guilt.
Angry as I am, I would rather a psychiatrist come clean and accept the forgiveness of anyone willing to give it rather than destroying himself. Suicide is a tragedy for anyone.
They keep talking about “non organic causes” too. Not just real doctors but shrinks.
A shrink will seldom admit to a patient suffering something medically proven like Lyme’s Disease or Crohns. But they do acknowledge these diseases exist and let other doctors treat them. In turn the doctors refer the “non organic causes” to them.
Hmm. “Non organic” causes. And yet they kept arguiing at NAMI how “mental illness is a real brain disease” and “an illness like any other” and “your meds are just like insulin for diabetes” and “science has proven that ‘mental illness’ is caused by a chemical imbalance in your brain.”
All those arguments sound like organic causes are to blame. Is the human brain not a real organ?
Or psychiatry just has a bunch of drugs and shocks to sell and since these remedies only operate organically they claim the brain is to blame even as they call the disorders they treat “brain illnesses.”
Needless to say this is a secret embarrassment to the psychiatric community.
Google “Why We Still Use ‘Organic Causes’ + psychiatry online” for an insider look at what psychiatry doesn’t broadcast to the public. They’re pretty mad at real doctors for making a distinction in the ICD-10, feigning concern about how this will contribute to “stigma.”
The only “stigma” shrinks worry about is the stigma against themselves as the poor little Cinderella they see themselves to be. They are the real victims and nobody gives them the respect they feel they are due.
Their “consumers” are so beneath consideration (subhuman monsters as they believe them to be) that they don’t even consider, let alone care, that discrimination ruins their lives.
No concern about those they harm. It’s all about them. And if they hurt their hands beating someone else they burst into tears about their own injury.
If a friend of mine were being battered by her husband and he was threatening to kill her would it be reasonable for her to sit down and speak in an articulate and reasonable manner about how it hurt when he bloodied her nose and blacked her eyes?
Even if he promised to change she should look for a shelter. What if he argued that battery was actually good for her and an act of compassion on his part because women can’t function properly without a little external “help”? No apologies or admission of harm.
Psychiatry would be like the latter. No apologies. No admission of wrongdoing. Just blaming the victim. If the drugs harm them it’s their fault for “resisting” treatments with their bad physiology. If destruction of your brain with ECT doesn’t make you happy, it’s your fault for having Borderline Personality Disorder.
Your kneecaps shattered when I hit them with a baseball bat? Well if you weren’t so frail like a china doll that wouldn’t have happened.
You almost bled to death from the knife wound? Well, you shoulda thought of that before you had flesh so soft and stab worthy.
Would you mind posting a link to your art website Someone Else?
I used to paint before psychiatry. I used to sew clothes I designed for myself and be very creative.
The truth is it’s only recently that mortality rates for the “SMI” have been higher. Since all those safe and effective treatments came out. (SAFE for doctors to prescribe and EFFECTIVE at making them and their Pharma cronies very rich.) And any hope of recovery has gone out the window too.
I refer you to Mad in America and Anatomy of an Epidemic to look at the elephant in the living room.
Psychiatrists, medical professionals, mentalists, and many others don’t care if they kill us. They don’t care if we seize, lose brain function, can no longer live independently or walk, experience nerve damage and (mercifully) die at 52. All in a day’s work for them.
I realized how shrinks were okay with our dying when I lost a good friend at age 29. Her shrink gave her a drug that gave her grand mal seizures and threatened her not to go off it. My friend died that weekend while that shrink went off to party on a Caribbean cruise.
None of the NAMI mommies (we both volunteered there) gave a damn that she died either. That’s when I realized NAMI isn’t about helping people. It’s about selling drugs. The only non-professionals they actually help are parents and spouses who despise their “loved ones” so much they want them to lose all cognitive function, the ability to live independently, and die early.
Another friend left NAMI after she saw how chill they were with her “schizophrenic” sister being drugged on a poly-pharma regimen till all her organs failed at 49. If an eccentric adult relative embarrasses them so much they can always cut them off.
But…no…it’s all about control. And the praise they get about how “kind” they are to their burdensome “SMI” accessories.
Forcing us to take the drugs they worship means more to them than anything. Including our recovery, quality of life, or even survival itself.
Just saw a commercial advertising another drug to treat the tardive dyskinesia shrinks have denied for decades. Of course coming off that “medication” is unthinkable since you “need” that mega dose of Haldol to treat the “bipolar” your shrink created by giving you an SSRI you had a reaction to and blaming it all on you. Horrible people with no conscience or empathy!
We are only objects for them to get rich by performing cruel, pointless experiments on.
They don’t serve us, but the public by providing a sense of security and “protecting” everybody from the monsters they create through torture and brain/nerve damage. They don’t give a damn about the well being of their human lab rats!
The concept of SMI is far harder to grasp than the concept of Santa Claus.
Is it violent behaviors? Stupidity? It depends.
If they want to pretend to be nice they treat you like you’re MMR. If they want to alarm your family or turn the public against those like you, they say “mental illness” is all about acting like Norman Bates or Mike Meyers or one of those other Hollywood pictures inspired by shrinks.
You find this in other forms of discrimination.
Let me quote an MRA/incel: All women are independent, needy, career obsessed, gold digging, picky whores.
Note the contradictory aspects to the image he created? That’s how shrinks describe the “mentally ill.”
“Dangerous, helpless, childish, cunning, irrational, diabolically clever, illogical, manipulative, detached, needy, unemotional, hysterical, arrogant would-be mass shooters. With low self esteem.”
Besides limiting crime to more destructive behaviors society only publicizes “Mental illness” linked to the most destructive behaviors.
Psychiatry pretends to be merciful in how it punishes or “helps” the “SMI” criminal as a means to an end. That end? Legal impunity to inflict life long punishment on the innocent by accusing them of the potential to commit crimes.
Psychiatry is a legal force. Their treatments are cruel and unusual punishments inflicted on those guilty of having been deemed unfit to survive.
There’s an article from a few months back about a prominent shrink requesting special police who will answer to him alone. Pretty chilling.
What are you hoping for Robert Nikkel? I applaud your hard work and sincerity, but am not sure what you intend to accomplish in the way of helping people.
Psychiatry will abuse since it’s profitable and asking shrinks nicely to please quit destroying our lives isn’t working. Why should they? They have no reason to.
My real hope is grass roots education of people who are not invested in “mental illness.” Ex-NAMI members who watched the psych system kill family members. (Not hyperbole.) Faith groups who reject the philosophy intrinsic to psychiatry of monism. Others who have seen the devastating consequences of long term SSRI use.
People who desperately long to escape the Madhouse Without Walls but don’t see a way. They need help escaping an abusive system.
Not asking, very politely, to please be a little less harmed. Pretty please. 🙁
I was surprised at how much support I got in my choice to leave psychiatry. I showed loved ones the evidence of cognitive decline created by the treatments and the lack of evidence for any pathology corrected by the same. A lot of people want to get better. A lot of friends and family are upset too at what shrinks think is acceptable quality of life. Including very early deaths.
If we must embrace lost causes, I prefer hopeless abolitionist to hopeless reformer. If success is impossible let us aim high!
Even if I never slay the Dragon at least I can help some people escape being burned or eaten by it.
Mental workers have been known to “diagnose” people in notes with things like “worthless piece of sh*t.”
Read an article in a medical journal by a psych nurse joking about it.
They talk a good game to SOUND kind and polite in public. But even then they try to scare the public by explaining how dangerous these Subhuman Others are.
Fr. John thank you for this article. Ironically the damage to my soul that drove me “mad” occurred through a rupture in my church.
Spiritual abuse by adults when you are a sensitive child can be very traumatic. Something the secular mentalists claiming to help me never acknowledged. Especially since “mental health” chalks nearly everything up to biology nowadays.
Some find closure by ditching religion altogether. I only found true healing for my psyche by realizing the lies and false doctrine crammed down my throat and the disgust I felt at hypocrites. I have forgiven them, but am no more anti-religion than I am anti-science simply because medical quackery exists.
It is ironic how psychiatrists deny souls exist. They claim to fix “broken brains” but we already have the field of neurology. It’s interesting how psychiatrists and doctors talk about “non organic” causes of complaints. Many pro psychiatry groups like NAMI argue “What if we treated mental illnesses like physical illnesses?”
Hmm. If the disease is NOT organic or physical (as their language implies) why do they only offer physical remedies for bodily organs?
A lot of psych apologists like Jaffe argue that “It must be in the brain because nothing else exists.” Let’s ignore the a priori assumption of monism that the majority of the world’s people disagree with. Let’s assume all odd and erratic behaviors do originate in the brain. Some do–usually through brain trauma. (Others through liver failure, thyroid issues, etc.)
That still does not justify random acts of brain damage through coercing someone into long term use of mind altering drugs or mutilating the brain through shocks and other “psycho” surgeries. It’s like arguing for treating restless leg syndrome by severing someone’s spinal cord. Annoying as this neurological problem is, most of us would rather be able to walk.
Don’t forget the guy who lives all alone in the outback. He wears nothing but a poncho from a square of tent canvas with a leather strap holding it together. Eats nothing but insects and honey he finds in the wild.
Every now and then he wanders into town yelling, “Repent!”
We don’t need to manipulate King Herod into cutting his head off anymore. Thanks to the miracles of modern medicine we can make this prophet as good as dead. Locked up forever and silenced.
And because they are “mentally ill” and “defective” they will be given low priority as far as medical treatment goes. Along with the elderly.
At least that’s what my brother reports from his home in Massachusetts. As far as the elderly goes. Though that usually includes the disabled.
I am disabled. At first it was a GI issue and symptoms of an autoimmune disease. Now I am experiencing symptoms associated with conditions like MS. Pretty scary. And they’re the long term effects of psychiatric drugs. I have no doubt of that. Nor do I doubt that any doctor will deny this ugly truth.
Makes me skeptical about this Covid 19 thing altogether, knowing that doctors lie whenever convenient. Could this be a ploy by Big Pharma to make billions with a vaccine with little real value? I am sure the disease is real, it’s very contagious, and kills people. But I also think the mortality rates are inflated. How much I have no idea.
I recommend practicing social distancing as they advise. But, because of my experiences with the medical system, I am very skeptical of anything that receives this much publicity on television. Especially a lot of experts–in politics and showmanship more than medicine–spouting off SCIENCE STUFF.
Dr. Fauci and other high ranking, celebrity shock docs have been found making faulty predictions of mortality rates–if not deliberately skewing the numbers. Incompetence at best.
He also has made some stupid statements about how unless the infection rate from the virus falls to 0 we can not end the lockdown for anyone.
Fauci claims we should all stay locked up for at least a year. Homelessness and starvation don’t exist in his Reality it seems. Finally his medical brethren and the Big Pharma messiahs will provide our salvation in vaccine form.
Of course once the vaccine comes out, any infections or deaths from Covid 19 in the vaccinated won’t count. Just like all the times you catch the flu after getting vaccinated at work. Or get depressed on an SSRI.
No vaccine is 100% effective. Especially regarding as far as viruses go. But that doesn’t matter because the AMA and Big Pharma will be Heroes and cash in on the illusion of security.
Just like shrinks who claim to save the world from the mythical monsters they create.
Actually fortune telling and sooth saying fall into the realm of mysticism. Not science. So beware of doctors giving numbers to hypothetical scenarios with high levels of assurance.
Like the movie 101 Cloverfield Lane we have no choice but to trust those claiming to help us. For now.
(And if you see the movie, you’ll know that while John Goodman is the bad guy there really is something out there. So please keep social distancing. And wash your hands.)
Hi Caroline.
I am less lonely practicing social distancing than I was in certain situations. Like being surrounded by people who regard me as an ogre. AKA severely mentally ill.
I want to read your book. Nobody in mainstream churches I have attended knows the truth about the “chemical imbalances” or how psychiatric drugs really work. Or even how they test you for a “severe mental illness.”
People are being maimed, segregated,, forced to live in poverty and dying young. They could know–if they cared to. 🙁
It’s either denial (I am actually helping them feel better, they aren’t fully human, they’re only fit for asylums anyhow) searing the conscience like the Big Baddies do (the kind who demonize their “mistakes” or victims on major media outlets), or succumb to guilt and have a breakdown. Or kill yourself. Maybe both.
Dr. Abram Hoffer cured “schizophrenics” with mega doses of B and C vitamins. Of course it wasn’t really “mental illness” they suffered from but a severe nutritional deficiency that caused hallucinations and other bizarre thoughts. Kind of like Pellagra.
Dr. Hoffer should have come up with another word for it. But he actually helped people. Mom talked about taking me to his clinic in Canada back in the early nineties after my diagnosis. But it didn’t work out. Unbeknownst to us both, just going off the “meds” would have alleviated a lot of my problems. 20 20 hindsight. 🙁
I can only speak for myself, but it wasn’t anything so grand or lofty for me.
I sank under the weight of years of bullying and two periods of homelessness as a child. Got so depressed and anxious I sought help from a shrink as a friend suggested.
Went on Anafranil for three weeks and snapped. Got put on a cocktail till I escaped after 22 years. Not sure I can ever quit grieving. The damage is real.
Stories like those of Mad Mom’s daughter don’t cheer me up. (Nor should they.) But they remind me not to wallow in self pity. Many are worse off than I.
Iatrogenic brain damage is the remedy. The only treatment Psychiatry offers. Its answer for everything.
Psychiatry helps people by ruining their jobs, relationships, and isolating them. Their treatments consist of branding the unhappy/lonely as hopelessly insane menaces to others. And now they push disabling drugs to keep them from functioning or looking normal for mainstream society. (Adds to the credibility of how inferior the Others are.)
Somehow they think what harms themselves and the “normals” helps the “mentally ill.” 😛
Black and white thinking as they shove everybody into neat, little boxes. The “healthy normal” people who have the right to feel sad or frightened or lonely. Versus the “mentally ill” whose feelings are only symptoms of the disease they have instead of a personality–according to shrinks.
It isn’t meant to be read by “consumers” judging from tone and subject matter. 😛
BTW, if you can understand it you must be “non-compliant.” Why aren’t you taking your “meds” you naughty kid? 😀
Tsk tsk.
They have ignored many inconvenient things. Like “consumers” dying 25 years prematurely. Diminished quality of life among those they “help” and brain damage proven to be caused by their treatments according to a member of the APA.
They also refuse to listen when anyone complains that the seizures, depression, hallucinations or thoughts of violence didn’t start till after they got put on the magical pills handed out like office candy. I knew better than to ask my shrink for help.
I ran away. And will do whatever it takes to keep away from the mental illness makers.
Body, soul and spirit. Mental and emotional are different sides to the soul.
In claiming to help the body with (short term) emotional pain killers, psychiatry harms all of the above.
Glad you are finding wellness, Laurel. I’m forty-six and struggling to heal my body after 26 years on drugs. 22 years were poly. Drug free for 2 and 1/2.
A lot more would get rid of those devices if the government (across the pond) actually threatened to track them. Chalk it up to Yankee paranoia. A lot of people are AFRAID to give up their guns because the first thought that comes to their heads is Government Take Over.
A big fuss in the mid west. We are afraid of getting infected and dying. But we don’t automatically trust the feds either.
Convincing others not involved in the psych system that the “Mentals” could be coming for them next–to take away their health, freedom, businesses, family–is way more hopeful than trying to reason with those in the psych system. Whose income depends on refusing to acknowledge the damage they do.
A working title for a new dystopian series. Medocracy. “Don’t be afraid. We’re the Healers. We only want to help you.”
If psych hospitals become harbingers of contagion they will lock people up indefinitely. Turn the wards into those asylums that make psychiatrists teary eyed with nostalgia.
Worried that homeless rates will skyrocket thanks to businesses shutting down. And large numbers of homeless people will be another excuse to set up more long care asylums. 🙁
In America there have been 143,000 cases severe enough to be diagnosed. The asymptomatic do not count. 2,500 deaths out of those. If you have a calculator you can crunch the numbers.
Italy is far worse. The worst as far as fatalities go. With 7% of recorded cases dying.
Please read my comment below. I believe social distancing is a necessary evil after all. But with proper medical care the death rates can be kept very low.
The idea is that with fewer cases there will be more medical resources for those who do get sick.
No one had any motive for silencing me. Unless you count not acknowledging that the psych drugs were responsible for turning my “neurosis” into full blown “psychosis” with hallucinations that terrified me.
But they insisted that “they never have that effect on anyone” despite label warnings. Can’t have pill shaming after all.
Still no belief in what I say. I’m very nervous around doctors because of this.
Depression and anxiety are different things. Gratitude can fix discontentment or depression because it helps you appreciate what you have. But we get anxious that these things we are grateful for may be lost.
And there are few things as evil as crippling children and adults while pretending to cure them. Telling them powerful, mind altering drugs are “just like insulin” for the diabetes they never had.
Psychiatrists are ruining Western Civilization by making it go bankrupt supporting those they themselves have disabled. They expect to get way more money than all the disability checks combined for the benefit they add to society by disabling people. Not that they care.
Remember The Lorax by Dr. Seuss? The POV character never meant to destroy all the Truffula trees. His business was based on them after all.
That’s how psychiatrists and pharma CEO’s are. They don’t plan on destroying everything since they enjoy sipping champagne on their yachts.
But they insist on chopping down children who won’t grow back. There’s a reason Gen Y has so few workers in it. Check how many young people “use” mental services.
Generation Rx. They’re worse off than my generation where losers like me were exceptions. Why else are many college kids so incoherent in debates? Why else this utter lack of emotional resilience and surge in obesity?
Cognitive decline, loss of inhibition, obesity…all minor side effects. Proven to come from the “safe and effective” treatments often forced upon the public. Courtesy of the Mental Illness makers. 😛
I wish they would judge us on our behaviors. The content of our character. Not what some “expert” who asks us ten perfunctory questions determines after less than fifteen minutes.
Roger Elliot was a nervous, awkward young man. But that doesn’t mean all nervous, awkward people deserve punishment for what he did.
Psychiatry finds a few arbitrary behaviors and quirks that may annoy relatives but are perfectly harmless. Or social anxiety which I had and they “helped” by bringing shame, dishonor and the ultimate social degradation upon me.
Isolated me by causing family and friends to reject me in disgust and horror. They created artificial disability from drug “side effects” they blamed on the alleged brain disease. That’s how they helped me along with countless others.
Comfort the comfortable by afflicting the afflicted. Should be the motto of the APA. 😛
10 should scare everyone. I guess the rationale behind the “MH” article is that doctors are in short supply and (maybe) all those “mentally ill” won’t observe proper social distancing and will require more lock ups.
In America it’s mostly the right wing who’s afraid. But even they tend to be in awe of SCIENCE.
My brother works for Big Pharma. THE DISEASE KILLS PEOPLE. IF MOM OR DAD LEAVE THE PROPERTY THEY WILL DIE!!!
He gives much worse death rates than those I read in other places. I read that even frail octogenarians in nursing homes are more apt to beat the bug than die. 90% survival odds in worst case scenarios.
Joel assures me that there is at least a 15% chance that Mom and Dad will die if infected. Both are under seventy and have health issues. So some precautions make sense.
But locking us up for six months? I don’t see that as sustainable. Yet Joel assures me it’s absolutely necessary or PEOPLE WILL DIE.
People die every day. This is not the Bubonic Plague. And it’s not even the Spanish Flu. People didn’t hide at home during that epidemic as I recall. Now we have better sanitation and nutrition.
But we won’t if the economy collapses and hundreds of thousands become homeless while starving on the streets. 🙁
IMHO this is a scare tactic as a bid for power by Big Pharma/Big Government. Since Joel only hears what Big Pharma says, working 13 hours a day all week from home, he is brainwashed. For all practical purposes.
Syrena Clark, even when I believed in psychiatry, I disliked the “educational” narrative that “all schizophrenics” act like something out of a horror movie. Murder is a moral issue. Not a cognitive one.
If people choose to take the pills and see therapists or whatever, cool. It’s their choice. Provided it’s an informed one.
But whether you are in the system or out–getting treated like a monster or shot is horrible. No human being deserves to be treated that way.
All the “education” foisted on the public only leads to more paranoia among people like the police. Like soldiers they have finely tuned “fight or flight” mechanisms. Scaring them with stories of how evuuullll “severely mentally ill” people are will not end the shootings.
I had the police called on me during a bad trip from a drug reaction combined with stress. No guns were pulled. They called the paramedics before I passed out.
They thought I was having a bad drug trip. Actually I was. All psychiatric.
That was an odd experience and I had seen my shrink that day who told me I was “depressed” though I explained I was loopy instead. But not listening to me was par for the course with most of them.
As far as violence goes, preventing that by force is what police are for. I don’t see why “educating” police about the “mentally ill” is necessary or helpful. Let them deal with each situation as needful.
Telling them someone is freaking out on a bad drug trip but seems harmless might be better if they are told anything at all. It may have been why they were so nice to me. Of course I was in a passive, trance like state but if they had pulled guns on me I’m not sure how I would have behaved.
Sam, you think doctors love to “diagnose” everything as mental so they can ignore real medical problems and throw drugs at phony ailments with no biomarker? (Incapable of DISPROVING. Hence they get off Scot free since they can never be accused of a misdiagnosis.)
They love to throw SSRI’s at everything. Stomach cancer. Lyme disease. TBI. Crohn’s. Arthritis. Yeast infections along with all things female. 😛
Beats having to be professionally competent and solve real issues doesn’t it?
Yes. I’m bitter and mean as that post revealed. Too much time alone.
I’m used to being isolated but it only took a little extra to break my reserves.
If it weren’t for others I’d be exposing, I would choose to infect myself with the XXXX virus and get it over with. After what I’ve been through death’s not that scary. Once you are dead there’s nothing more human beings can do to you.
I wouldn’t argue this in court. A good lawyer would dig up dirt on the “medical expert” which usually is not hard to do and undermine his credibility so the judge would drop him.
Dr. Biswas probably labeled the man herself. And drugged him too.
Someone in her field told the police he was dangerous and should be feared as a vicious, murderous psycho killer. Then acts shocked when they shoot him–using the information about him that her industry provided.
I love to think of some of the “lock them up” commenters getting dragged into the psych system. They get no pity from me when they do. They deserve none. I hope they wind up in one of “Doc” Drew’s new asylums since they thought it was good enough for the Others they loathed.
Hitler would never have risen to power if the Germans had not elected him and applauded when he blamed the Jews for all that was wrong with Germany. Cotton Mather only was able to hang a bunch of “witches” because the other Puritans mindlessly accepted what he said. They thought killing them might help the crops grow better and end the plague.
I recommend Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s essay on “stupidity.” Not what is usually meant by that word.
I’m pretty sure my serotonin is too low. That’s what SSRI drugs actually do. The “high” is temporary and your body quits producing enough thanks to disrupting the way your body recycles it.
And people with poor fashion sense, or those who laugh in public, or write in a journal are abnormal. Therefore “mentally ill” and dangerous. According to our current Mental Illness Czar.
It’s a great shell and nuts game. Pretend the mind altering drugs are medicine. When the mark goes insane, blame them for having an inferior brain and DNA.
The mark is spell bound and isn’t sure what’s real. They know they’re screwed up mentally and trust the doctor. Normally a logical decision.
If they stay on the “meds” they act crazy. If they go off–almost always cold turkey–they act crazy from withdrawals. The family doesn’t know what to think. The shrink tells them, “The family member you loved is gone forever. Lol. Make sure she takes her medicine. They never do. Remember if she acts weird she’s lying.”
My family was never fully deceived since they knew I was obedient–wanting to “get well” and quit being a burden and bother. They knew I took those things dutifully–though they bought me a pill chest since the doctor said “Okay. Maybe she’s not lying. They forget all the time too. That illness makes them lazy and irresponsible.”
The whole time my conservative, teetotaler, anti-marijuana, “just say know” family, college, church were urging me to become a drug addict and then yelling at me for acting like one. I was the only person willing to do any research or read articles in the APA journal. None of my loved ones read anything I show them.
But they never disowned me and accepted my decision to come off once I revealed how I had done it nearly two years after the fact. Most families are NOT that supportive. So I’ll always owe them for that. And they’ve suffered too from having an unwitting junkie for a daughter all these years. 🙁
Idea for a meme.
“Just remember Batman. If the citizens of Gotham weren’t mentally ill to begin with they never would have had that reaction to my toxic nerve gas.” Dr. Arkham aka Scarecrow
One of these days I’m writing a book that cites works by characters like Torrey, Pies, etc.–making them accessible to mainstream public who actually want to help people and restore them to health and sanity.
Trying to reason with those who benefit from afflicting us and driving us crazy is a waste of time. No more discussions. Like trying to “work something out” with an abusive spouse.
If we go back or remain the beatings will continue.
“Mental illness” is not a social construct. It’s an iatrogenic one. Created by psychiatrists. Sometimes knowingly.
Over 95% of all SMI cases were perfectly sane until they got put on a drug for being sad because the family dog died or were nervous over exams. Then they went bonkers and got branded by their shrink.
Anthony, if possible, I advise you to leave Australia. From what I have read it’s psycho-state is far worse than ours.
The fact that our health care is still partially privatized comes in handy since you can relocate to another state if ordered to be drugged or shocked without consent and they can’t legally kidnap you there. Or–if not state ordered–relocate to another community where no one knows your past and provide scant details for the hospital/doctors you see there.
When you have to see a doctor he won’t automatically have access to the records of another system. You’ll also receive better care for kidney damage, IBD and other cruelties the shrinks have inflicted on you. It’s like they don’t care if you die if you have an SMI label.
Ironic. Stigma and loss of income is what I got from seeking “mental health.”
I am wondering how all those who attend community mental centers are doing. I’m sure the already marginalized “consumers” miss the time spent with the few friends they have. Especially since so many live alone. 🙁
Calling a friend who’s still in the “mental illness system.” Hard to leave as I know too well.
Thank you for this article Dr. K. You left out how television–also a great tool of stupidification was utilized by psychiatry to sell themselves. Nearly all the drug commercials you see on TV now are psychiatric. The police and hospital dramas on the idiot box push the narrative of “mental illness” as well.
Few non-professionals read journal articles or books by Torrey/Jaffe, Lieberman, Pies or the rest. Otherwise they might see through the charade and discover how inhumane their treatments are.
Torrey actually boasted in his underground work Shrinks about how he drove a number of “asymptomatic schizophrenics” crazy by drugging them without knowledge or consent. When reprimanded he joked about how causing “schizophrenics” to go out of their minds was no big deal.
It’s actually lucky for these guys that their books are not widely read. I think they want their articles and books to remain an inside job–read and reviewed by approving peers–and never see the light of day. Those who practice evil love darkness.
“Freud and other fathers of psychiatry may have been evil, but they were not stupid.”
Freud was one perv who loved to “project.” Especially on the young wives he saw. He would explain to these vulnerable, trusting women what their dreams “really” meant.
Been on at least one psych drug from age 18 to 44.
Off now since 08/31/17.
My mind is clearer despite brain damage and spaciness. But my body is a wreck. I can no longer digest food normally.
At 46 I am forced to live with relatives because my SSI check won’t cover rent and no HUD anywhere. Exhausted from malnutrition since my body won’t absorb vitamins or minerals so I remain unemployed despite recent job openings that won’t be there once this scare is over.
I don’t know what I will do when my parents are gone.
I remember The Wizard of Oz where the humbug says, “I’m a very good man, but a very bad wizard.”
My guess is there are a number of psychiatrists who could say, “I’m a very good person, but a very bad doctor.” Assuming they are well meaning but clueless makes it easier to forgive the damage.
Like Dorothy and her friends I’m still very angry at their deception. And–unlike Oz–they continue to keep the up charade.
Psychiatry means never having to say you’re sorry.
FWIW psychiatry puts a great deal of emphasis on how powerless you are.
Being told I had an incurable brain disease that would surely drive me mad without unquestioning obedience made me feel helpless and hopeless. Truly horrific.
Your mind came back but not your body. Not uncommon Laurie. Check out the archives for beyondmeds.com and read Monica’s story.
“This caused my family to believe I didn’t care enough about THEM to seek ‘treatment.'”
I read lines like this and feel sick. God bless you, Laurie, it’s not at you but how selfishly many families of the “mentally ill” behave.
It’s all about them–though you’re the one in torment. And they take the word of a stranger in a lab coat over the family member they should know and love. 🙁
Doctors are known to make mistakes, but they refuse to consider this. Too inconvenient.
Their faux compassion fools no one. Except maybe themselves.
Basically they believe that all murders in the world are committed only by a mass of inferior beings called the “mentally ill” and they want these people to be drugged, locked up, or both for their own good. I despise hypocrisy.
Crippling and labeling certain individuals is a public service psychiatry performs.
1. It provides a sense of moral superiority to all the “normal” as well as a sense of optimism about the innate goodness of humanity. All normal people are sweet and kind. The only ones capable of doing evil are those with “schizophrenia” or “bipolar.”
2. It provides a sense of security. After every mass shooting the Experts point out the shooter was labeled or label him posthumously. They skillfully evade the questions as to whether or not he was “medicated.” They keep silent and nobody ever asks the question.
I remember reading about Andrea Yates in a NAMI newsletter. They said her “bipolar” was why she drowned her kids. No mention of the psychiatric “care” she was receiving as I recall. NAMI wanted to let her get off on the grounds of her alleged brain disease.
I found the whole thing confusing and resented letting a murderer get off scott free on the grounds that she had a “mental illness.” Didn’t NAMI know that would make us all look bad and feed the flames of “stigma”? Now I realize they were just using her case as a promotional gimmick. And it was really due to involuntary intoxication. I discovered this after I finally gave the NAMI cult the finger.
The only reason I remained obedient to my psychiatrist as long as I did was out of the belief that I would otherwise harm innocent people. For their sake. Not because the drugs made me feel so darn good or helped me function.
Now that I know the truth I’m very angry. Not just for my own sake either.
She seemed to be blaming it on him not being forcibly drugged. Though most (not all) people truly out of their gourd are indeed drugged. Shrinks twist the facts to suit their agenda.
Briswais fails to say whether drugs were in his system–making me suspect he was “medicated” and refuses to consider whether her demonization of people like him played any role.
Calling people dangerous does not end discrimination. But it is great PR for forced psychiatry.
Then when there’s the predictable decline in voluntary “consumers” these same shrinks will have a giant pity party about how “stigma” is hurting their own careers. “Poor me. I only make a 6 digit income instead of a 7. Only we psychiatrists suffer from the pain of ‘stigma.’ We are SO oppressed. And no one has offered to officially crown us sovereign monarchs yet.”
Google “stigma + psychiatrist” and log onto a psychiatric professional site sometime. Quite a lack of insight in these virtual sob fests. Laughable in fact–on my good days. 😀
Yet they use this same “stigma” as a marketing ploy whenever convenient. Making me question their intelligence as well as whether or not they possess a shred of conscience.
Psychology will always treat its “consumers” like objects because of unquestioning acceptance of psychiatry’s bio bio bio model. Hence objectification is inevitable. My therapists encouraged me to feel helpless and accept a horrible life with no purpose, happiness, or love. I’m through with all of that.
I suffer many of the above. IBS, chronic pain, artaxia, weird burning sensations on occasion. All of these came 20 years after my diagnosis of bipolar 2 after a bad reaction to Anafranil which the psychiatrist blamed on my unmasked illness.
Antidepressants are proven to mess up your digestion and heart rhythm. And significant nerve damage is normal. None of these were a problem before-though I did feel depressed and anxious. Those are easier to control now.
I have witnessed cognitive decline, premature death, homelessness, and suicidal desires in countless people fully drugged according to psychiatrist’s specific orders. Yet they pretend all these people are perfectly happy and lead great lives. I guess if you wind up homeless, suffer IQ loss by 40 points, and kill yourself while “compliant” it doesn’t count. Sick of psychiatry’s denial of its botched experiments on unwitting or unwilling human guinea pigs.
I bet the police shot the man because they had listened to shrinks like Biswas tell what dangerous monsters all those she treats are. Calling innocent people dangerous murderers is not compassion. Claiming it will end bigotry is ludicrous. And I find it hard to believe those like Biswas want to–even on a conscious level.
I have witnessed cognitive decline, premature death, homelessness, and suicidal desires in countless people fully drugged according to psychiatrist’s specific orders.
Yet psychiatrists and the media pretend all these people are perfectly happy and lead great lives. I guess if you wind up homeless, suffer IQ loss by 40 points, and kill yourself while “compliant” it doesn’t count. Sick of psychiatry’s denial of its botched experiments on unwitting or unwilling human guinea pigs.
I bet the police shot the man because they had listened to shrinks like Biswas tell what dangerous monsters all those she treats are. Calling innocent people dangerous murderers is not compassion. Claiming it will end bigotry is ludicrous. And I find it hard to believe those like Biswas want to–even on a conscious level.
Sickening and sad how folks believe what TV and propaganda puff pieces say more than what they perceive with their own senses. 🙁
Someone here at MIA really needs to do a piece on how people can be “compliant” or on AOT and still wind up homeless. RW has done a great job showing how psych drugs severely reduce chances for employment–especially gainful. It seems an inability to pay rent should be admitted to play a role in homelessness. Funny how drugging people is supposed to magically create shelters for them.
I call BS on this celebrity shock doc’s claim that “all mentally ill people enjoy being homeless” and drugs will fix it. And asylums are more cost effective than HUD. If he is put in charge of them we know who stands to come out ahead financially. Not the tax payers. Definitely not the people struggling to survive because his profession maimed them.
I have been pretty depressed lately. Not getting much done.
My depression is a symptom of pernicious anemia. A physical (real) illness. Anemia can be treated with iron supplements and infusions. By a real doctor.
Love this article Megan. It offers a new spin on “What if we treated ‘mental illnesses’ like physical illnesses?” Ignoring that “mental illnesses” are supposed to be brain diseases (physical) and rendering the analogy nonsensical. But the doctors who claim to fix these alleged brain diseases act like no others.
My own pet peeve is how our culture practices “sadness shaming.” Like there’s something disgraceful about not grinning like the Cheshire Cat 24/7. It really irritates me.
My peeve is not that people find their own sadness/depression intolerable (understandable) but those around them do. No matter how much cause you have to feel gloomy friends and neighbors nag you to hurry up and see a doctor to take some medicine cause unhappiness is a disease.
If you express reluctance or argue your sorrow/grief is reasonable since you lost your job, your kid disowned you, your spouse left or beats you, you have cancer, your dog died, your house burnt down it’s always…”Oh no. You must have depression.” Then, if you still decline they get mad at you. Accuse you of being too proud to get “help.”
Like being sad is a crime. Ironically once you say you’re getting “helped” you can quit smiling altogether and act gloomy all the time and quit bathing or going out. But say you’re taking your “meds” and everyone applauds. Never mind it isn’t working or maybe you feel like Riley in Inside Out once she lost Joy and Sadness.
Reverse pill shaming. You must take drugs–even if they make you feel 10 x worse–as penance for the sin of unhappiness.
I wonder if having to pose as Happy Stepford Robots is behind the loneliness epidemic. Phoniness can be VERY alienating.
Ironic how according to psychiatrists “black and white thinking” is a sure sign of one of those pesky things they label “personality disorders.”
And a sure symptom of “schizophrenia” is the inability to distinguish between the metaphorical/abstract and the concrete/literal.
But my apologies to any any well informed psychiatrist reading this. I acknowledge that you never made that mistake but only cited the “chemical imbalance metaphor” in order to dupe prospective customers and the public.
Hmm.
1. Lying without remorse for self gain.
2. The belief that might makes right. The rules do not apply to you.
3. No regret or remorse for the people you have hurt.
4. Convincing someone they are worthless, inferior, insane.
5. Self pity when called into account for how you have harmed others.
6. Extending cordiality, respect, and regard toward some–but exhibiting harshness, cruelty, and inhumanity to those in a group you regard as weaker and less than human.
Now what “mental illness” would these be “symptoms” of?
Remember that line from Jerry MacGuire? “Show me the money!”
Show me the disease!
The fact that recovery can occur without medical treatment should really make us question the bio model.
For the sake of argument, even if psychosis is linked to a brain disease–until scientists can produce a bio marker they don’t know what’s wrong and can’t fix it. Assuming improved brain function is what they are after.
Actually the Georgians (early 19th century Britain) had a better way of viewing extreme states than 21st century psychiatrists IMNHO.
Today’s APA composes lists of arbitrary traits their elite group deemed unacceptable and votes into existence.
In Georgian England, madness was as madness did. “Diagnosis” was composed solely of behaviors. Way more honest than our system. Once the extreme behaviors stopped you were no longer considered mad. And you had to be very weird to be considered mad.
Ordinary “consumers” you regularly meet at NAMI or mental centers would be too rational to qualify in that era. Even those visibly muddled by the ball and chain treatments of today.
A certain Shaun S. commented here that psychiatry needs to distinguish between the consenting and nonconsentual “consumers.” I heartily agree with him on that.
But I think it is far more important to distinguish between the dangerous and the harmless.
The pop culture narrative (touted by celebrity docs–experts in showmanship and propaganda) is that all the treated are harmless and safe to be around.
All the undrugged are dangerous and a public menace. Black and white thinking to put real, complex human beings into little boxes where the Benevolent All Knowing Psychiatrist will keep them forever. Amen.
The evidence (statistics, long term studies, empirical) tells another story.
All people deserve to be judged on the content of their character. Not the claims of some bureaucrat in a lab coat who doesn’t know them from Adam.
Harmless eccentrics, trauma victims, and those with head injuries should not be categorized with violent criminals. In claiming to be merciful to the latter psychiatric law proves itself neither merciful nor just to the former.
A word of encouragement.
Charlotte Perkins was cured from her “hysteria” by rejecting her role as a madwoman and made a new life for herself doing work that brought her satisfaction.
This is the cure I’m trying now. Sadly my body is damaged and I have real disabilities.
But I’m no longer acting like a “bipolar” because I relocated and went off the “meds” that caused my mood swings to start with.
You can read “The Yellow Wall-Paper” by Charlotte Perkins online for free at Gutenberg or in downloadable PDF format.
How the Experts try to “help” the POV character:
1. They cut her off from everybody.
2. They prevent her from working.
3. They encourage her in idleness–tell her to lie in bed all day thinking about how insane she is.
4. They patronize her–treating an intelligent, rational adult like a child or developmentally delayed person.
5. Sensory deprivation.
6. When she complains of depression and how intolerable the situation is, her doctor husband tells her, “That’s just your illness talking.”
But things have changed now they say.
Here’s how:
1. They brand you with a new “mentally ill” identity so you get cut off from friends and family.
2. They actively discourage you from working. The drugs and discrimination play a role. (Never ask for reasonable accommodations for you “mental illness”! They kept telling me to do that. Bad advice and I think they knew it.)
3. They only encourage “peer” activities. Weekly “groups” at the mental illness center and NAMI meetings to discuss your “symptoms” and talk about how hopelessly crazy you are.
4. They patronize you. Treating you like a child or developmentally delayed person even though you’re an intelligent, rational adult.
5. They put you on drugs that dull your senses.
6. When you complain of depression and how intolerable your life situation is, the Experts say, “That’s just your mental illness talking.”
A lot of us here–including the anti-psych crowd–are not against the use of SSRI’s or whatever. It’s coercive psychiatry we oppose. Involuntary. Obviously not your situation.
Glad you have a doctor willing to work with you. 🙂
My ex had a therapist try to seduce him. When Michael said “No” the therapist warned him not to tell anybody because “No one will believe you since you’re mentally ill.”
This is an even bigger problem with women–though horrible for anybody. Julie Greene told me how having a counselor proposition her almost drove her to suicide.
As long as the policy is #believenomentallyill there will be a gross power imbalance leaving clients/consumers/patients with no recourse when the authority figure takes advantage of them.
Solution? Don’t see any counselor who uses the labels. Either rogue practitioners or uncertified or those who belong to the Choice Theory/Reality Therapy school or something similar.
Even counselors who mean well often treat you as “less than” if they believe you are hopeless and not quite human. For example a counselor I talked to automatically sided against a woman whose family refused to let her see her grandchildren. He didn’t know her from Adam but said, “She probably was unstable or they (the “normals”) would not have treated her this way.” Troubling how his education made him automatically make these assumptions. That the “mentally ill” are intrinsically subhuman and the “normals” they interact with are never at fault.
Check the NAMI site sometime. You can scan the forums without joining. A lot of complaining from parents, spouses, etc. about how horrible their “loved ones” act. How abusive the thirty year old son they force to live in the garage behaves. (If only he would take his meds.) Yet not a word of complaint from the “loved” one about how the caretakers abuse them.
We know that caretaker abuse is a real thing. My guess is either they are too brow beaten to notice emotional abuse–and may feel they deserve physical abuse as well. Or the moderator censors the posts of more than “pill shaming” thought crimes.
“Remember mental illness is nobody’s fault” could be translated “Remember everything bad that happens is the mentally ill person’s fault.” If you interact with most “SMI’s” who are conscientious patients with good insight you’ll notice how fearful they look. How they apologize for EVERYTHING.
Not saying this is a conscious thing on shrinks’ part. But telling you that you are walking disease. (Your mind or soul is a cancer and you are hopelessly “ill” meaning evil.) That everything wrong in every relationship is YOUR fault as the “crazy” person is why so many of us get into abusive relationships.
A few decide, “Hey, since everyone tells me I’m evil/crazy just like a serial killer why not act out on my anger? Not my fault after all.” So they become abusive and use the label as an excuse. Few do this but psychiatry encourages well meaning spouses to stay with abusers. “Mrs. X your husband can’t help his abuse. His scientifically proven brain disease means he can’t be held responsible for body slamming you against the wall and smashing the sculptor you worked on for ten years. Making him take his medicines will turn him into the sweet guy you dated.”
But usually the shrinks will enable abusive “normals” with “crazy” spouses. We all know how that goes. And therapists will always side with the abuser as long as he or she is “normal.” Since only “sick” people hurt others after all.
I almost married a man who treated me badly. When things didn’t go his way he told me how crazy I was and used my “bipolar” against me. I felt lucky any man would deign to be with me and let him treat me that way till he threatened my dad and sister.
I quit dating forever once I realized the only kind of men I can attract are abusers thanks to my training at the mental illness centers for 20 years. I always felt ugly and awkward since my teens. Then the shrink told me I was a crazy psycho too.
“But no” says Dr. Quackenbush. “I don’t like the words ‘crazy’ or ‘psycho’ since they undermine the validity of the branch of hard medical science which I practice.” All about HIS career. Of course.
But he knows “bipolar” and “schizophrenia” mean dangerous/murderous/evil. They are moral judgments and if he doesn’t know that he’s the only one who hasn’t caught on.
Maybe we should just look at behaviors themselves. “Bipolar” is basically meaningless. Breaking a nose, screaming vile names, locking someone in a room…you don’t need a shrink’s diagnosis to know these behaviors are unacceptable.
And if your partner acts that way you don’t need a shrink to diagnose YOU because you’re depressed or anxious! Get out of dodge. Find a way to escape the abuser. You need all your mental faculties–and your anxiety to escape. Fight or flight is a normal response to emotional games or threats of physical harm.
Calling it a disease is an insult and dismisses how horrible your situation is.
The more “educated” in psychiatry a counselor–or just about anybody is–the worse they treat those branded “severely mentally ill.” That’s why I will never see anyone who believes in the DSM again.
I received some helpful advice in interviews with Will Hall during withdrawal. He’s uncertified by any of the mental illness factories. That only added to his value in my opinion.
I felt inferior. My shrink said, “No Rachel. You don’t have an inferiority complex. According to my DSM you really are inferior.” 😀
Actually trauma by itself could have been overcome. Psychiatry ruined my life in every way imaginable.
No friends. Too sick and old for a family or career. Living in poverty and isolation. Too sick to leave my room some days.
I sit alone awaiting the sweet release of death. Beyond any hope of improvement in this world.
It’s too late and I’m too damaged for anything good. I’ll spend the rest of my days holed up alone in some relative’s spare bedroom like my “schizophrenic” great aunt who also gave up on life after Psychiatry had its way with her.
Nowhere to get rid of her shame. She lived out her days closeted away-a desolate woman cut down in her teens.
Dr. Hall, I applaud your courage in writing this article. We are hard on members of your profession here at MIA. But if you will take the time and trouble to read through some of our heart breaking stories you may understand why.
I assume you mean well and want to help people. But here are some problems with the system you are working with. Not just the mind altering drugs used to treat distressing thoughts and feelings.
But psychiatry attempts to use the Linnaean System to categorize human suffering and bad behaviors. It’s really like mapping constellations in the sky. No–not all “mad” behaviors are just social constructs. The stars in the sky are very real. But human beings are the ones drawing the lines between the stars to make pictures of hunters, bears, princesses, etc.
Those of us labeled do not find them conducive to reintegration. They harm our relationships, prevent us from gainful employment, and can cause homelessness from lack of income and discrimination from landlords. (Not enough HUD for everyone categorized as SMI anymore.)
For starters, do you have any idea how horrible it is to have your friends and family turn from you in disgust and loathing because you have been categorized as a monster by a respected professional?
Ironically the more “pro psychiatry” a group is the worse they treat someone classified as “severely mentally ill.” It did not help that my “meds” caused seizures, ridiculous weight gain, and made me act weirder than ever due to hindering my thought processes. These helpful pro psych people insisted the weight gain was all my fault and everything else was proof that I was “noncompliant” when the exact opposite is true.
And how is labeling someone “schizophrenic” or “bipolar” for life supposed to motivate them to change? It’s great for aiding “meds compliance” and “insight.” But neither equals improved life–either in quality or quantity.
I no longer act bipolar. But no doctor would ever pronounce me cured because the DSM 5 states that that is impossible. They label me based on certain “symptoms” yet when these symptoms are gone they refuse to acknowledge a misdiagnosis or pronounce me cured. This happens all the time for those who escape the system.
All my psychotic mania was caused by a reaction to Anafranil. Most doctors argue “Well it just unmasked the illness already there.” Guess what? I remasked it by going off the crap that caused it to begin with.
Since all psychiatry offers is “controlling the symptoms” shouldn’t we try what works instead of rigid, mindless adherence to status quo that isn’t helping people?
Even in the Victorian days psychiatrists distinguished between the harmless and the violent “lunatics.” Yet now they lump harmless, but lonely eccentrics into the same category as serial killers regardless of any history of violence or current behaviors.
Ironically, by treating dangerous criminals as though they were sick, members of forensic psychiatry treat law abiding citizens as though they were dangerous criminals by calling them sick–and encourage our communities to do likewise.
Don’t we deserve to be judged on the content of our character rather than because we once scored 6 out of 9 random emotional/cognitive traits on an arbitrary chart decades ago?
Even those of us who choose to remain consumers are greatly upset at how those like Tim Murphy, Fuller Torrey and others scapegoat us for all society’s evils. Even if we continue taking our drugs our neighbors will view us as would-be-killers. How is such education of the public helpful to anyone but those seeking to further their careers in politics/psychiatry?
When we “deteriorate” so we can no longer maintain basic levels of self care let alone hold down a job our pro psychiatry neighbors will often blame us for “non compliance.” Or–at best cluck their tongues. Saying, “It’s just the disease.”
I did indeed go through a rough patch at 20. I could have used some real help from someone who cared. Instead I got psychiatry. 🙁
I have indeed been properly punished for my depression and anxiety. Because mainstream psychiatric treatments are punitive rather than restorative in nature.
Still alive. But it’s not a good life.
I won’t blame you for what men like Torrey and Murphy have done in “educating” the public to further their careers. That would be unjust. But it is also unjust for law abiding citizens to be blamed for the crimes of every serial killer and mass shooter who happens to be diagnosed bipolar or paranoid schizophrenic regardless of the individual’s behavior.
I felt vindicated–though privately– on learning that I wasn’t lying or delusional when I kept telling my psychiatrist that the Haldol made my psychotic symptoms worse. In addition to the seizures. He maintained that neuroleptics “never did that” and insinuated to my poor parents–also traumatized–that I was faking the “spells” I experienced at least once a day on that horrible stuff.
They obviously believe their test subjects are crazy. But they want to replace “crazy” with a more medical-sounding term to prove what Real Doctors they are.
How many are organically damaged and psychologically traumatized by shrinks? I’m struggling with TBI and ME inflicted on me by lying “mental health.” I am also grieving the life I will never have, isolation and poverty. I owe it all to the Mental Illness System.
I don’t want an institution. Those places scare me more than death itself.
A living Hell with doctors striving to abandon their humanity and take on the role of devils. May God have mercy on their own psyches.
Ariel Castro’s victims had a lot of problems. But no one suggested giving Castro permanent guardianship of them!
Why are articles at MIA arguing that our abusers have our best interests at heart and will take good care of us?
It is pretty scary. The ONLY reason shrinks aren’t arguing for the humane practice of putting us to sleep–our alleged agsognosia means they can assume we want whatever they want–is that they can’t prescribe drugs to a corpse.
The real reason shrinks are praising asylums now? They know more people with soft diagnoses will be going off their drugs or dying. Fewer will replace them. Asylum franchises can rake in way more profits than letting them live in less restrictive environments. Though the latter costs the public less.
Dr. Moncrieff things are worse today–in a number of ways.
There are a number of problems with locking up people who have committed no crimes. Few of the people locked up were violent and failure to separate them from the harmless reminds me of the prison system William Wiberforce decried.
Not all were inhumane. But those that were seldom were held accountable.
Recovery from bizarre mental states was acknowledged to exist. Now it is not. This is used as an excuse for endless druggings–and proof of how necessary the pharma-psychiatrist is.
Nowadays we have the asylum without walls. This sounds better. But because they are able to “incarcerate” much greater numbers in the system and fewer are able to leave (numbers not percentages) there is a lot more suffering.
Psychiatry causes segregation as well as disability. While HIPAA may keep them from blabbing your label to the community, they will tell your loved ones. You need a go between. Sadly you are excluded a lot. And when included they talk over you. My mental illness team–as I call them–kept telling my parents how hopeless I was.
How I could never function normally and would be sure to be naughty and must be forced to take my “meds” regardless of how I complained. And if I didn’t recover they could be sure it was only because I was spitting them out on the sly.
I completed a four year degree in just eight years. I’m surprised I could do it at all. When I complained how I couldn’t concentrate they would tell me: A. It’s just your illness. Not the medicine! B. Sometimes the meds do that. It stinks but it’s necessary since horrible things will happen if you don’t take it religiously.
I took my drugs religiously for 24 years. Nobody believed I was taking them–except my family and a few others. Why? Because I deteriorated and wanted to kill myself.
My mental illness team kept promising me bad stuff would happen if I went off my “meds.” And occasionally mentioned good things might happen if I were really, really good. Showing insight and unquestioning compliance. A whole lot of stick with just a bit of carrot. Best way to keep us dumb beasts under control. 😛
When I told them how the “antipsychotics” caused disjointed thinking and psychotic symptoms and the “antidepressants” made me miserable and anhedonic–they told me that was proof of my illness. I was too crazy to know how they were helping me.
Which begs the question–if these drugs make crazy people sane why do these now sane people go off of them? Shouldn’t having these miraculous sanity inducers prevent noncompliance? Going nuts is no fun I can tell you. My true insanity was all drug induced. And the gaslighting my mental illness team dished out did not help.
It should be called the Mental Illness System. They don’t want you to recover. If you’re sane going in it won’t last long.
My parents–unlike many–stuck with me through my unlovable craziness. Despite the mental illness team’s efforts to cut me off from family and friends. I have had a couple good “normal” friends who stuck with me too. Thank God for their unconditional love. 🙂
They believed when I said I took my “meds” and were as upset as I was when I got worse “despite” Psych Magic. The whole thing was very frustrating for all of us.
I’m sorry for the suffering I caused them now. I never wanted to be a drug addict.
Very angry at being lied to and about! Struggling to forgive those who damaged me and really altered my life. (Some might say ruined but I refuse to think that way.)
“Delusions” are what William Glasser referred to as “creative symptoming.”
They’re acts of creativity. Which is why art therapy can sometimes be helpful.
Find other ways to express creativity and you won’t need “hallucinations” and “delusions” anymore.
Or help someone figure out how the “delusion” is helping him or her. Szasz referred to erroneous, odd beliefs–Bertrand Russell’s man who thinks he’s a poached egg and wants toast to sit on–as lies people believe.
The truth is far more complicated than psychiatry would have us believe. And far more interesting. 🙂
I met a man my dad was trying to help when I was fourteen. He had ambition based delusions.
“Willie” would go through periods of believing he was the Chosen One called to save the world be becoming President in 1988. Alternating with periods of intense despair and suicidal depression.
We thought the drugs helped him because he became subdued and less annoying after every hospitalization for a month or two. But he still got depressed since he was lonely and his life stunk.
The problem with commenting on this is where to start?
“Evidence based medicine.” How about any proof that the drugs work at all?
By “work” I mean helping at thinking clearly, living independently, getting along with others, not dying prematurely or going through cognitive decline or suddenly becoming morbidly obese. No one in the mental illness system leads a high quality or longer life that I can tell.
Yet numerous doctors claim that there’s no disputing what they see every day. THE MEDICATIONS WORK!!!
How do they know this? Don’t they see the damage these drugs do to people long term? They must know these are slowly killing people.
I have had NP’s who honestly seem to care diagnose me with mysterious ailments. Pernicious anemia, severe vitamin deficiencies, microscopic colitis, heart arrythmia, fatty liver, uncontrollable recurring yeast infections. But when I ask what’s behind them they grow silent and look weird. Yeah…they know.
Funny how no doctor gets freaked out because I’m losing weight and my heart is normal again. These should be perceived as sure signs of “non compliance.” So there must be some ignorance involved too.
Mom blabbed to her FNP that her daughter didn’t believe in “antidepressants” and had gone off of them. The nurse expressed horror and assured Mom that I would be sure to have a manic episode. With a straight face.
Lucky for me Mom laughed at her. She’s been living with me and notices my moods are stable without drugs. 🙂
And I thought SSRI’s were supposed to fix depression. Not mania. Neuroleptics are supposed to do that. Doctors need to work more closely with the Big Pharma propagandists to fill up the plot holes in their epic fantasy known as Mental Health.
Yes. We should leave our echo chamber. But my stomach is already upset. Thanks to decades on SSRI’s that “work” at messing up my digestion.
It’s pointless to argue with people that are living in a fairy tale. The medical student with “mental issues” may wonder why her magical meds aren’t working when she turns thirty-five and can no longer hold down a job because of cognitive decline and failing bodily systems. And everyone tells her how great her quality of life is–evidence to the contrary.
Funny how extremely hostile “grateful consumers” can get at having the truth pointed out. I felt relief. Then anger at the people who had gaslighted and slandered me for twenty-five years. Not people who told me the (unpleasant) truth. I never was proud or happy of being “mentally ill” though. Some wear it like a badge of honor for reasons I can’t fathom.
They’re invested in the System and make lots of money off it. So of course they want to preserve the status quo.
Now they have the HUD ghetto and homeless centers and the streets.
I believe there is a link between psychiatry and homelessness. Long term use of mind altering, addictive drugs can really destroy your ability to hold down a job.
And I have known a number of ideal “consumers” who wandered the streets due to shortage of HUD housing. Driving people crazy with SSRI’s and benzos who were only mildly depressed before getting “helped” and making short term problems life long drove up the numbers.
I also met people who wanted homes and perhaps needed them because their brains and CNS were too messed up for independent living. 🙁
Lobotomies are about keeping people childish and docile. Not independent! This includes the chemical kind.
Yes. The very act of aggressively pursuing large numbers of POC to force treatments upon could be viewed as racist. Check Breggin’s YouTube videos on The Violence Initiative.
Psychiatry already displays its inherent bias against the disabled in the way it targets them. Especially those who already have cognitive problems.
The Mental Center I once attended “served” people with Down Syndrome, Spina Biffada, and TBI. How? With lessons on life skills and lots of drugs to render them almost impossible to learn.
Google Karl Binding. A head honcho in German psychiatry who gave Hitler a lot of his ideas. He wrote propaganda such as Lebensunwertes Leben.
Psychiatry is inextricably bound to social darwinism and eugenics. Racism must be covert but they still justify mutilating, imprisoning and imposing often fatal treatments on the disabled who–according to their judgment–do not have lives worth living.
The only real reason shrinks don’t advocate for euthenasia now (I suspect) is keeping people alive to drug indefinitely is how they make money. Fuller Torrey probably knows that the jig is up. So like others he has determined to cash in on opening a chain of asylums since it’s growing impossible to claim that these wonder drugs they push help with quality of life or independence.
If the APA starts promoting euthanasia at the same time a mysterious new soap or protein supplement shows up on the market we’ll know why.
BTW, people die of metabolic disorders and other problems in mental wards all the time. A faulty assumption that she would be alive if she had gone to one instead of an honestly named jail.
Julie hated and feared psych wards and every profession linked to “mental health” after almost dying on a ward because they restricted her to one liter of water a day. The argument being dangers of water intoxication.
Yep. It doesn’t help that the psych treatments cause so many additional health problems either.
Even militant psychiatry apologist “Natasha Tracie” at Bipolar Burble has complained of how doctors dismiss her real health problems after learning of her “bipolar” label.
My guess is most doctors simply don’t care if those psychiatry has written off as “defective” die. Our culture has less mercy on the disabled (especially mentally) than convicted felons considered sane.
“I am not sure what would make a journalist NOT want to expose the human rights issues.”
Employment. Whether a reporter for a magazine or website or a TV newscaster they work for whoever sponsors the publication or show.
(I bet Bob Whitaker could share some tales of lost job opportunities despite the success of Mad in America and Anatomy of an Epidemic. Glad he won the Man Booker Award.)
Banning Big Pharma ads would help immensely. Most news is all a bunch of commercialized propaganda. Used to sell drugs and psych ideology. No concern for truth at all!
I’m trying to contact private YouTube journalists who are open minded enough to look up out of The Box. They don’t get funded by Big Pharma companies either because of how small they are despite their big followings.
Funny how no one talks about “sadness shaming.” Why do we need to go around grinning like the Cheshire Cat all the time for crying out loud?
And the “depression is a disease” is no help. It’s just a ploy to obligate you to take the “meds” and pretend they make you happy even when they make smiling nonstop more difficult than ever and you feel too numb to enjoy anything. And the original problem making you depressed is as bad or worse than ever.
People will quit yelling at you for being unhappy if you tell them you’re taking psychiatric drugs. That’s the only benefit I experienced long term.
One of the early Simpsons episodes showed Lisa going through the blues. In the end she pulls out of her funk when her mother, Marge, tells her the family will be there for her no matter how she feels and she doesn’t have to fake a smile anymore. Lisa smiles and tells her mom that this time it’s real.
Maybe once we quit treating the blues like leprosy fewer people will be depressed?
Not defending or praising Trump but pointing out the toadying hypocrisy and double dealing intrinsic to psychiatry. A political branch rather than a medical one.
Funny how these very shrinks who condemn Donald Trump and want to “diagnose” him are more than happy to curry favor and kiss up to him when it serves their purposes. Such as siphoning more tax dollars to open new AOT programs to indirectly sell more drugs and psycho surgeries or open a franchise of lunatic asylums.
Dr. Drew, Dr. Torrey, etc. What a bunch of back-stabbing phonies! As all of us who have had dealings with this profession know.
Biederman went on the air saying it was an insult to “bipolars” to call Donald Trump one. Before you applaud him too hard remember he called Trump worse than Hitler too.
So definitely not a complement to anyone he labels. More like a back handed insult. I guess Biederman gave up hope of cashing in on the mass shootings like others have done.
The “medicine” drives sane people nuts and ensures people going through a rough patch never come out of it.
It makes me so angry how they lie to well meaning family and neighbors to cripple people and turn functional people into hopeless lunatics/village idiots. That’s what psychiatric “treatments” do after all.
I remember Mom and Dad crying and getting upset at how my “treatments” weren’t helping me as I took them religiously. They had no positive effects except when I took 10 mg of Haldol and could no longer voice my misery though I seized every day.
When I say the treatments don’t “work” I mean as the shrinks promised. Helping us to lead meaningful, productive lives and get along with others.
They don’t work for any of the above. Nor do they prevent crime nor suicide.
The only way psychiatric treatments successfully work is at making shrinks and pharmaceutical makers filthy rich and providing the former a professional status no legitimate doctors enjoy–along with unquestioned legal powers.
So Dr. Hickling is worried. HE knows what’s best for those “psychotic” Jamaicans who don’t know any better and are afraid to come to people like him for help because they associate his institution with the master/slave relationship.
How is Dr. Hickling any different? There’s the real question.
“Those ignorant, potentially dangerous, mentally incompetent defectives need a White Knight to take care of them.” That sums up all Western “mental health” in a nutshell.
The symbols for psychiatry since the Industrial era have been whips and chains. Traditional treatments of all written off as hopelessly mad. A casual perusal of Victorian Gothic literature will furnish plenty of references.
Then shrinks realized scars from lashings and and chain cuffs made their profession look brutal. So they figured out new ways to torture and harm without leaving any visible marks.
In America thanks to HIPPA red tape, you can simply relocate and not inform your new doctor about your all “diagnoses.” Changing states is best, thanks to different health systems–but just changing hospital systems will do. For example, seeing a doctor in a nearby county or city.
The “deep pit”? Do you mean being found out eventually?
Their big mistake was targeting too many people. If they had been content with just a modest number of “lunatics” in their asylums without walls they would have gotten away with it indefinitely.
But by drugging over 20% of the population for decades, it’s impossible to ignore the long term results of the pills they hand out like office mints. Ruining the lives of 2-5% of the populace wasn’t good enough for them.
How is labeling moody teenagers “Bipolar” going to help them become emotionally stable adults?
How is labeling a woman who has made poor relationship choices “Borderline Personality Disorder” supposed to help her make better decisions in the future?
Don’t psychiatrists realize people can change, grow and improve?
Unless you get “helped” by them so your brain quits forming normal synapses and everyone in your community shuns you thanks to the self-fulfilling prophecies these psychics/pseudo-scientists make all the time.
Instead of “mad” or “crazy” Bruce might say “outside the mainstream” or “unusually passionate.” Or “very zealous.”
Kind of like Szasz’s explanation of the link between “genius” and “madness.” Both are unusual and extreme ways of thinking and behavior.
St. Francis of Assisi was different. So is your eccentric aunt who plays the mandolin for a living. So was Ted Bundy. So was John Dewey, Albert Einstein, Robert Fulton, Mother Theresa, Henry David Thoreau, Jeffrey Dahmer, Joan of Arc, Emily Dickinson, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, a bunch of serial killers I don’t like reading about, you get the picture…
Funny how so many psychiatrists have it in for their own family members.
It’s like they hate a certain parent or sibling so much that simply having that person “put away” to rot and die prematurely isn’t good enough. They have to hunt down others with similar characteristics to “help.”
Denial of their hatred and harm done to the “loved one” mixed with a subconscious desire for revenge perhaps. Eccentric family members can be embarrassing.
Of course some socially awkward people strive to look “normal” to please others and it results in break downs–which only make them weirder than ever. Bringing MORE embarrassment to the image conscious family. Hopeless cycle. And the designated freak bears the brunt of it.
You mean well and want to help people. But you are working with a morally and cognitively bankrupt system–corrupt at its core. (Not all individuals within it are that way. Including psychiatrists. The system itself is based on a lie.)
Knowing what you know must make it that much more frustrating. Corinna West has expressed similar frustrations trying to work with groups like NAMI.
I got a “real diagnosis” from a case manager with a BS in physical education. Stuff that’s not ‘sposed to happen is par for the course in “mental health.”
It’s a Kafkaesque bureaucracy based an a network of incongruous lies. So of course nothing in the Mental System makes sense.
This piece reads like it belongs in another publication. But this is not meant to be an anti-psychiatry site after all.
I wouldn’t call this piece “critical” either. But helping people in poverty is a good thing. I agree with that.
I just don’t like how psychiatry does it. Way worse than ineffective. And kindly people (psychologists, therapists, peer support workers, case managers) who team up with psychiatrists burn out quickly if they are trying to make a difference.
It’s like trying to bale out a leaky boat while the quacks keep drilling more holes in the bottom. The epitome of futility.
Most of us here only want one thing from “mental health.” To be left alone!
Their “services” lower self image, teach helplessness, prevent gainful employment and isolate from the community. Their treatments cause physical and mental disabilities.
It makes sense that the Mental Illness System is targeting POC. (Watch Breggin’s videos on the Violence Initiative.) Many minority communities are distrustful of Mental Centers.
An African American friend of mine commented on how many white women she works with pop psych pills all the time, talking about their “bipolar” and “chronic depression.” It looks like so many have these labels they can actually find work now–as long as their CNS and brains hold out.
“Mental health” creates poverty. Lots of us grew up middle or upper middle class and are forced to subsist on $775 a month thanks to psychiatry’s “help.”
Almost three years off my drugs and finally found a job. For the first time as an adult. (I went on psych drugs at 18. “Therapeutic” amounts at 20 after getting labeled.)
Can’t wait to go off my “benefits.” I HATED going on them. Never wanted to be a bum.
Psychiatry forced me to. They lied to me–saying my only hope for gainful employment was unquestioning obedience/”med” compliance. Basically shrinks forced me to violate my conscience by tricking me into going on mind altering drugs (against my principles) and mooch off the public.
I kept asking, “Hey, if these treatments ‘work’ how come we can’t get jobs and act like freaking grown ups?” These questions would throw the idiots leading day treatment sessions into fits of rage. (Not all case workers acted that way. The idiots were those who threw tantrums at my innocent questions.)
But “work” doesn’t mean independence, health, or productivity to shrinks. It’s all about docility and childish dependence.
The welfare workers make you feel like a piece of trash at those bureaucratic offices. Far more dehumanizing and humiliating than hand outs from locally run charities.
People are beginning to wise up and we don’t have any scientific proof yet. (And whatever we may dig up may not exonerate us.)
We can’t be held responsible for our behaviors over the years due to how excited we were—at earning $800 an hour instead of a measly $200 and gaining the status of honest-to-gosh real doctors.
So hurry up. We need a coherent narrative. It doesn’t help that all our stories published on various sites and online magazines (which the public can access) contradict each other. Doesn’t look like Real Science at all!
Been called worse things than “deluded” by shrinks after the SSRI I took exactly as prescribed kept me awake for 21 days straight and sent me into a full blown psychotic mania. Can’t have pill shaming. Better gaslight the patient instead.
I started out with depression and anxiety. Wound up labeled Bipolar 2 and on a cocktail. Off the cocktail and finally stabilized after 20 years though my body is a wreck. Lost a huge chunk of my life and forced to start over with broken health, no work history, no savings and no friends at 46. Will never have a family and live in fear someone will discover my dirty secret (of being harmed) and believe my abusers. Not me.
They’re not looking rational nor humane.
A lot of psychiatric sites and mags complain about how media depicts them.
They also worry about “stigma” of their patients–because the shame associated with being treated is bad for business. And those inconsiderate patients keep dying in their fifties. Tsk tsk.
My question is what if (hypothetically) psychiatrists were to discover a physical cause for the emotional/cognitive problems associated with “bipolar” or “schizophrenia”? What are the odds that their hit and miss (miss and miss?) treatment with mind altering drugs would be a good thing? Isn’t it more than likely that it would be proven they were doing something to exacerbate the real problem? In addition to creating a slew of new ones. (Like Diabetes 2. I was one of only 3 out of the 15 members of my day treatment group without diabetes. One of a minority with all my chompers too. We were all morbidly obese except for one member I knew was “non-compliant” but refused to snitch on.)
The way psychiatrists go about their model is like a surgeon assuming there is something wrong because your stomach hurts. With no scans or other tests, he does intensive surgery removing random bits of your digestive system–a bit of a colon here, your small intestine there, a fourth of your stomach, and maybe sever some muscles in the lower part of your esophagus just to be sure…what are the odds of this actually helping the patient?
I’m very angry at being lied to. They kept telling me they were fixing a complaint SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN TO RESIDE IN MY BRAIN.
Being told you are hopelessly sane is far from comforting!
It made me frightened–and then despondent.
Now I’m angry at the hoax pulled on me.
I’d chalk it up to cluelessness on psychiatrists’ part but they are good at figuring people out in order to manipulate them into doing what will benefit their careers. Survivors as well as the non-consuming masses.
Kind of like my ex. He was a little awkward so I thought maybe he didn’t mean to insult me. Then he started emotionally abusing me.
My guess is psycho-social explanations for weird behaviors associated with “mental illness” lead to less discrimination because they humanize the other.
From what one sees on the media the “mentally ill” have no feelings or motivations. Aside from the “mental illness” itself.
A headline I read after the mass shooting in Los Vegas. “We Discovered the Motivation for the Mass Shooter: He was Mentally Ill.” 😛
I still can’t work very easily. Trying for a full time job in customer service because sharing a single wide with my mother is more stressful/depressing than trying to work forty hour weeks. If I do little but sleep and eat and work I can make it work. Maybe.
Even though I’m still pretty sickly after 30 months off the drugs (the chronic illness started at least six years ago while I was fully compliant though I hurt more now) I’m glad I went off. I did stuff on the drugs I wasn’t proud of. I feel ashamed and apologetic but angry too. They kept telling me the “meds” made me a better more moral person and without them I’d turn into an evil monster. Involuntary intoxication. Some believed the nonsense they told me. But many of the doctors did not. I have no respect for those professionals.
I strongly regret seeing a shrink. I wanted to do the right thing. By taking my “meds” religiously for 22 years I thought I wouldn’t burden my family or friends. It was supposed to be the mature and responsible thing to do.
Instead I’m forced to rely on my aging parents at 46 since I can’t hold down a job now. Never have known gainful employment as an adult though I worked full time at 17 before I left for college a year early.
My life was ruined at 20 when I took Anafranil for intrusive thoughts and couldn’t sleep for three weeks. I keep having flashbacks and ruminating. The years 1993-2017 are just an ugly blur. I don’t know who I am anymore or what I’ve done. The only good thing is I was too numb to appreciate the horrors of what I was put through because I trusted a member of a respected medical profession. I still relive the horror of having my nearest and dearest turn on me because my psychiatrist told them I was hopelessly crazy. And I acted crazy because the drugs messed up my thoughts and I believed he was right. I couldn’t stop thinking of ways to kill myself and make the world a better place so my family could be free and remember who I was before I turned into a psycho freak. 🙁
I would have done better getting help from Walter White instead. His “medicine” is just as safe and effective and he never labels his clients. And their teeth stay in better shape too. Lol. (But seriously if you ever visit a mental center look at how many people are toothless in their early thirties. Shrinks love to blame this on how lazy they are, along with morbid obesity and poor hygiene–dehumanizing “consumers” makes the Experts look good.)
Dr. M tricked me into taking a bunch of mind altering drugs by calling them medicine like insulin. And he scared me by driving me insane with Anafranil first and attributing the hallucinations to my broken brain. Though I never had such visions before or since. Gaslighting is a shrink’s best friend. Almost as good as stigma.
People talk about “pill shaming” which is actually shaming those who take or prescribe psych drugs. (I try to avoid the former since it’s victim blaming.)
What they don’t acknowledge is reality shaming. How they heap scorn on the heads of those who honestly say, “My life is not better. My pills do not help me think clearly or get along with others. Taking them has not made me a kinder more responsible person. After going on them I can no longer function independently.” Even though it’s the truth.
I often hated myself because “In spite of” all these wonderfully “safe and effective treatments” I was not getting better. Must be my fault right? That–plus the numbness–led to my obsession with suicide.
It was a relief when I read William Glasser’s Warning: Psychiatry can Be Hazardous to Your Mental Health. Up till then I felt guilty that my drugs weren’t “working.”
By working I meant as promised to me. Greater independence and better relationships and employment. Not passivity and childish dependence which is what they’re really meant for.
Joanna we do not have the right to refuse ECT in America.
Yes, Steve, it’s weird how TV shapes our perception of reality so believe what we see on the tube more than what we see in the real world around us. I saw a crime show last year where a “schizophrenic” was accused of murdering his therapist. He was not the murderer (for a change) but could only speak “word salad” when asked who he had seen murder her.
He agreed to be injected with “medicine.” Within five seconds he sat up and began to speak coherently. I sat and thought “I have never experienced enhanced clarity or cognitive ability. Nor have I witnessed it in anyone else.”
It’s scary how gullible we have become. They put anything on TV and people believe it. Even if they know it’s fiction.
Mom has seen me recover without “meds.” She knows my allegedly “schizophrenic” great aunt did fairly well without any “meds.” I blame her reclusive life on ECT and the trauma and shame of being locked up and labeled.
Yet Mom firmly believes these “meds” are helpful. She feels low spirited or blah and goes to the doctor complaining of unhappiness. (A bad idea. Never complain of emotional pain to any GP you have to see. Unless it’s physical pain from a real disease your doctor is not equipped to deal with it anyhow.)
Mom is sickly and worn out from over a decade on multiple SSRI drugs. She is at loose ends because it’s hard facing retirement and she has nothing to do. She just sits in a chair watching TV. She complains of boredom and unhappiness and gets more “medicine” instead of asking “What can I change to feel better?”
But the TV tells her drugs are all she needs to feel happy again. I expressed concern telling her she may have early Alzheimers or other dementia. Mom agreed. She expressed concern before we moved.
I told her there were steps she could take to reverse it at this stage. Physical exercise–she’s too drugged and apathetic to do much. Learn a new language or how to play a musical instrument. Read books. (She never reads now.) She shrugged and said, “They have medicine to fix Alzheimers now. I saw it on a commercial,” sighed and went back to staring at the tube.
BTW, I notice how people who work in “mental health” pushed TV on us almost as much as “medicine.”
I hope I can get my own place soon. It’s depressing watching Mom make self destructive choices and be powerless to stop.
Edward Bernays. Nephew of Sigmund Freud. First generation American.
It’s mostly because of his slick techniques promoting cigarettes as slimming and soothing to the throat, that smoking became popular among women in the thirties. He also spread the notion that drinking out of anything but disposable Dixie cups was unsanitary.
Joseph Goebbels studied Bernays’s techniques and used them to help Hitler rise to power. This cannot be blamed on Bernays. But what he promoted wasn’t benign either.
And consciously manipulating people–often with lies–is wrong. Even if you try to use it for good. Like the Ring of Power Tolkien wrote about.
Blaming the “severely mentally ill” and promising to punish (aka treat) an entire group for the crimes of a tiny minority doesn’t make anyone safer. But it provides the illusion of safety, making the public feel more secure. Just like many taking SSRI drugs have the illusion of feeling better.
People like us–who recover after leaving–embarrass psychiatrists. We’re a much bigger threat to their institution than the Scientologists. 🙂
Most of these guys aren’t sadists. By and large shrinks are tickled pink with a modest degree of recovery. Too modest for most people’s taste.
Then they can parade you around at various groups and conventions as a success story. As long as you give all the glory and honor to them and praise their treatments.
In the story of David and Goliath, the young lad turns down King Saul’s offer of full body armor before taking on this seasoned warrior who’s at least 9’6″ while David was probably under five feet. (Typical height back then.)
David knew he was already facing impossible odds so he went out with only the rocks and the sling he used for killing wolves and bears while looking after the sheep on his own.
We can’t beat them with massive campaigns or television/magazine ads or support from the cowardly or corrupt AMA. Our only hope is the unconventional.
As Gandalf said to Borimir in The Lord of the Rings, “Our only hope lies in foolishness.”
The book actually received a negative review from the NYT in 1991. Pretty ironic.
The reviewer complains that the last third of the book veers off into a diatribe against diseases that Shorter claims are purely imaginary. Such as allegies, temporomandibular joint disease, yeast infections…I kid you not.
Shorter reluctantly admits the first two exist but maintains they are most cases are cooked up by coffee sipping housewives with too much time on their hands. Serves ’em right for not vacuuming enough.
If we could do these three things I would be ecstatically happy.
1. Ban cronyism. This would solve so many problems besides the psychiatric one.
2. Ban involuntary treatment. I call it treatment because torture is a form of “punitive treatment.”
3. Make it illegal to advertise psychiatric drugs on TV.
I meant never to see a shrink. But maybe using the word “doctor” through you off. 😀
Our only course of action is the one taken for dealing with corrupt judges. Make the public hate them. Troll psychiatric sites and you’ll find this is the stuff that composes their worst nightmares.
I’m starting a satire site dedicated to revealing the ugly side of psychiatry. It will be labeled satire, but will contain links to real psychiatric articles I will draw on for inspiration.
Be sure to mention Shorter’s book A History of the Bodies of Women and his lecture to a group of people suffering from ME where he told them it was only hypochondria and compared them to swooning Victorian ingenues. Sounds like someone is still living in the 19th century and it isn’t the patients!
Edward Shorter denies that ME and most other autoimmune diseases exist. He claims these are all fashionable maladies dreamed up by hysterical females whilst they sip tea during afternoon calls.
And then pull out the smelling salts. Before collapsing on the fainting couch. 😀
Maybe he thinks blood letting and cauterization are underrated modalities of treatment that should be brought back. Lol.
At least Shorter has moved beyond the Four Humors.
By the way, don’t quote me. I’m indulging a satirical impulse. But mocking this guy is not hard to do.
Google “An Open Letter to Dr. Koroshetz occupy me” for details.
He denies ME because “it lacks scientific evidence” but promotes the concept of “mental illness” despite the lack of biomarkers not created by psychiatrists themselves.
My guess is Shorter loves to hand out Zoloft or Xanax as quickly as possible instead of searching for actual maladies.
And his attitude shows how inconsistent the concept of “mental illness” is. If it’s a real brain disease why don’t they treat it as such? Even Shorter views it as different from a physical disease. And yet they tout the notion that it’s a physical illness in the brain just like any other. The way they treat people they claim “suffer” from the alleged brain disease aren’t treated like real patients at all. Last time I checked the brain was a physical organ. Not a mental one.
A lawyer is interested. Please pass around this info to veterans, civil rights, and mental health groups.
Share it on libertarian and humanitarian groups. It isn’t just about Marci. This is about everyone’s right to due process and protection of life, liberty and freedom from torture.
Just kidding. Sort of.
Someone needs to write an article or two about stuff this guy has written and said in the past.
A friend of mine–an older woman named June–had severe stomach pains a while back. So bad she couldn’t eat. Her energy went down and she couldn’t get out of bed–for obvious reasons.
Her family doctor told her she didn’t have stomach issues. (I don’t know what tests he ran. I assume at least one or two.) He said she had a chemical imbalance in her brain making her think her stomach was bad when it was fine. He urged her to take SSRIs to fix the alleged disorder.
June asked if she was crazy. He told her emphatically she was not but mentally ill instead. Which is really only the polite, medical-sounding term for crazy.
June is still alive. I guess the placebo effect gave her the gumption to ignore the pain and eat anyhow. Her digestion is still very bad. And tinkering with serotonin levels is bad for the GI even if your gut is sound to begin with.
“But I know Dr. X. He’s a good, kind man and would never lie to me.”
I don’t know about that. But he probably is ignorant about psychiatry like most real doctors are now. A lot actually believe in the chemical imbalance.
A doctor I saw a while back said I was ridiculous to want my Bipolar 2 diagnosis reevaluated. He gave me the old “But you wouldn’t have had a psychotic episode if you weren’t mentally ill to begin with” crap. Told me I needed all of my cocktail or vague horrible things would happen to me. Unbeknownst to him I had tapered off everything but my Effexor and should have been full blown manic. Nope. 😀
He also claimed that nobody discriminated against others for having a diagnosis of bipolar or schizophrenia. He urged me to lose as much weight as possible. Told a woman in her mid-forties who had been at least slightly overweight all her life to lose 230 pounds in as little time as possible. He said I needed to weigh 120 pounds with no regard for bone structure.
When I lost “only” ten pounds in two months he urged me to take metformin–claiming it would suppress my appetite. Told me to go on a carb free diet with lots of protein and animal fat and nothing but vegetables and fruit. Didn’t know fruits have carbohydrates it seems.
I found this character’s medical know-how pretty underwhelming to put it mildly. It’s because of doctors like him that psychiatry continues to flourish I guess. None of them bother reading articles in journals to keep abreast with things, but trust the experts and prescribe whatever that cute pharma rep recommends.
Shorter ticked off a lot of people by speaking at a convention for those suffering from ME or myalgic encephalomyalitis at the National Institute of Health in the University of Toronto.
He ridiculed people suffering from chronic illness, comparing them to Victorian women luxuriating on beds of pillows simply to be fashionable. Real piece of work.
Yet Shorter supports psychiatry despite lack of evidence that those brain diseases called “mental” actually exist or that the pills he promotes save lives. His mockery of ME sufferers probably comes from the link between autoimmune conditions and psychiatric treatments.
Most people arguing that “mental illness” kills are actually talking about suicide.
Guess what? People in “treatment” kill themselves all the time.
But if they commit suicide off the drugs everyone blames their non-compliance. If they commit suicide on the drugs everyone ignores the fact. Or hems and haws claiming it’s “in spite of the finest medical care.”
I don’t despise Rick Warren the way Pacific Dawn does. But his line of reasoning is severely flawed. He and others need to have their faulty logic pointed out to them.
(Rick probably embraces the idea of depression as brain disease so he doesn’t have to worry about his son being in Hell for the sin of suicide. I can’t blame him there. He probably also feels guilty because his highly public ministry caused a lot of stress on Matt who was an introvert in a church that teaches “Jesus was an extrovert.” See Quiet by Susan Cain where she describes a visit to the Saddleback megachurch.)
Please read Shorter’s masterpiece about gynecology. He barely admitted allergies exist and goes off into a diatribe against female hypochondriacs toward the end.
My guess is he hopes this book of his will be forgotten. Several critics have accused him of misogynistic views. Many conscientious physicians are embarrassed by it.
Someone needs to drag up this forgotten masterpiece of his and ask why Shorter believes in random brain damage to cure unproven brain disorders but not allergies or yeast infections.
Shorter started out as a gynecologist it seems and got in trouble for claiming his female patients didn’t suffer from allergies, yeast infections, or other real physical diseases. He reluctantly admitted that allergies exist but hysterical women folk seldom suffered from them and probably took to handing out “antidepressants” to everyone who came in.
You know how them women folk be. Wink wink. 😛 His career change speaks for itself.
Google the New York Times review of Edward Shorter’s book. 1991. It makes him look like a raving misogynist.
He claims that women are hysterical hypochondriacs who imagine yeast infections, temporomandibular joint syndrome, allergies, and all other chronic illnesses. Wow, this work has not aged well.
No wonder he loves psych drugs so much. Great way to dismiss the medical needs of women who come to him for help.
Lucky for stuff shirts who hide behind stethoscopes and only get read by other academic stuff shirts this bovine excrement goes unnoticed. They get the glory of having a book published–proving professional expertise–but no popular audience reads it or holds them accountable for their views. Much stupidity that street smart folks would get but the Mutual Admiration Academia let slide. Because of intellectual “inbreeding.”
Medicine and other sciences should be studied more by the common people. We can no longer assume doctors have our best interests at heart.
Never see a doctor unless you know you can sue him for malpractice. They are that corrupt. We owe lawyers an apology.
It’s a little late, but maybe we could give Eddie a good trolling.
His fellow physicians are embarrassed by some of what he’s written. Dig up some of his worst experiments. Post a link to those along with a quote from his article trashing Bonnie.
Point out how he probably had it in for her as a successful female academic who wrote better books than himself.
“A priori assumption of materialism bio-psychiatry is built upon.”
Basically a denial of free will. You can also see this in the unethical experiments performed by behaviorists like B.F. Skinner.
Behaviorism is psychology I realize. So no, it’s not just psychiatry at fault.
(Interesting side note. One of the characters in The Simpsons–Principal Seymour Skinner–was named after the founder of behaviorism.)
I do not relish the idea of shrinks using “shrooms” on consumers. Though I doubt they will till Pfizer or Lilly puts them in pill form. This is needed to preserve the image of the shrinks as the real-honest-to-gosh-doctors they crave to be seen as.
Getting people to use hallucinagens through trickery or force would be a great way to manufacture more “schizophrenics.” AKA cash cows to milk. Or rather bleed till they expire.
“Yeah but if you weren’t ‘schizophrenic’ to begin with that LSD would never have had that effect on you.” Thus spake Dr. Quackenbush. This gives him the legal authority to force you to injest “therapeutic” or massive quantities of more LSD’s and probably “anti-depressant$,” neuroleptic$, “mood $tabilizer$,” and maybe $edative$ and other crap at hi$ di$cretion.
I do not share the author’s enthusiasm for yet another mind altering drug. Especially since “mental health” will likely foist it on the public as “life saving medicine,” “like penicillin,” “just like insulin for diabetes.” And other nonsense we already have been spoon fed by commercials/NAMI/psychiatrists. They all sound alike because they’re reading the same script.
Please don’t take my criticisms personally Shariq. I’m sure you are honest and sincere in your desire to help distressed people.
It’s others I take issue with. I don’t like liars. Or bullies.
Oldhead, Sanders is definitely the least of the choice of evils though.
I would advise homeless people to do whatever it takes to leave California. There are fewer homeless people in cities where I live–which means more community resources for those we do have. More HUD housing–and cheaper regular housing. More available jobs.
And no laws–like the one recently passed in California rendering it impossible for gig workers to make a living in most cases. You can earn a living as a freelancer where I live and rent an apartment for $500 a month.
Come to Indiana where the cost of living is only about 40% of what it is out West. Where even I could find a job. Where you actually have a chance to bootstrap your way out of financial dependence on the “mental illness” system!
BTW, I agree that the only disabilities the “mentally ill” suffer from are those inflicted on them by the “doctors.”
Puts the lie to psychiatry’s promise to cure us of all our moral failings. I bought into the bill of goods years ago. They did not make me more moral–in fact my family complained of my increased selfishness.
Psychiatrists claim their magical/scientific pills will end mass shootings, adultery, murder, theft, drunkenness, violence. How will they do this? By causing the frontal cortex and amygdala to wither away. The parts of our brains responsible for impulse control, empathy, and responsible adult behaviors.
This makes no sense at all. But–to my knowledge–no one ever asks shrinks why destroying the frontal lobes and amygdala cause improved morality.
Overriding natural brain functions does not improve cognitive function, nor does it stimulate the conscience. Mind altering drugs have been known to do the exact opposite in fact. Shrinks get around this by claiming these are not regular drugs but life-saving medications that only protect and heal and are safer than aspirin.
And if you get crazy they will blame a brain disease they can’t prove but assume must exist because #pillshaming. Or claim–as they always did for me–that you are cheeking the pills on the sly or faking the seizures and other real problems Ye Precious Pills caused.
Health Ranger.
The MI system is cancer–eating America alive.
Poetic justice. People are happy to see the “mentally ill” tormented and isolated as they die prematurely. They refused to even look at the pills causing our torments.
Now, due to denial that they were promoting the poisoning of their “MI” neighbors they’ve been deceied themselves into taking SSRI’s. Hey, it shut Johnny up. So it must be good for your brain, right?
You were happy when they came for your annoying neighbor.
You laughed as you saw him cry out in torment.
You called for them to lock him away.
Now they have come to destroy your brain.
And no one is left to help you.
Have fun, Normals.
I’ll play devil’s advocate.
Do drugs called “antidepressants” ever make people feel good? Yes they do.
I enjoyed two SSRIs when I first went on them.
I took Anafranil back in 1993 because of intrusive thoughts brought on by anxiety. It felt good at first–but like a horror movie it soon turned scary. The buzz turned into full blown hallucinations and I didn’t sleep the whole 3 weeks I took it.
After getting put on massive amounts of neuroleptics and kicked out of college because of seizures and other stuff, I became suicidal in 1994. They put me on Zoloft. It too gave me a buzz–but mild enough I could control it.
I didn’t need a buzz, but friendships and a purpose in life.
So, if someone says, “These antidepressants make me feel great. They ended my depression,” I agree with them. They are probably right.
Any “upper” from a street dealer could have similar benefits though.
I predict Gaga’s career will take a nosedive in a couple years. Maybe sooner. Her weight will go up markedly. Everything she experiences health wise or cognitively will be chalked up to her “illness” and used to prescribe more pills.
Eventually–like Carrie Fisher and Patty Duke–her principle gigs will come from entertaining shrinks and Big Pharma people at psychiatric conferences and “educating” the public on various PSA commercials, etc. Her only real identity will be the “Good Consumer” who talks about her disease all the time and has no real life apart from psychiatry.
I wonder how Mariah Carey’s career is going. She’s better off than Brittany because she does what they want, but a career as a public performer requires lots of energy that the pills don’t leave. Especially emotional energy.
I’m no fan of Scientology, but neither Tom Cruise nor John Travolta promotes their cult as much as the devoutly “SMI” celebrities.
Will Gaga read it?
My problem with talking to people about my problems with psychiatry is none of them read anything. They are happy to get all their information off TV programs and commercials and brochures put out by drug companies. Not unbiased sources. “But doctors know best.”
A couple friends laughed at me when I talked about Anatomy of an Epidemic. They said RW only was interested in making money. SMH. If Bob Whitaker is reading this I bet he’s having a hearty chuckle.
Lots of people who never read books also have some idea that all authors are multi-millionaires or billionaires and J.K. Rowlings’ success is the norm. Even well-known authors have other jobs or supplement book sales with speaking/teaching/coaching/consulting/editing/etc.
If making gobs of money is your only goal and you aren’t hindered by a conscience the best route would be writing ad copy for Big Pharma. Especially ghost writing articles under the name of prominent APA members!
“In reality it wasn’t about Bill’s quality of life at all but other people’s annoyance at him.”
That sums up what psychiatry is all about. And it didn’t even help with that in my case. The more drug addled I became the weirder I acted (low inhibitions, lower empathy, lower cognitive ability.)
From my days in the NAMI cult I collected some Lilly paraphernalia. Living in the country now. Gonna get out the big drum can and have myself a Lilly roast! 😛
Trump honestly believes that psychiatry prevents crimes just like Obama did. Just like 95% of the population does. Excluding shrinks.
Sometimes I wonder if uber-shrinks like Pinsky/Torrey/Murphy want mass shootings so they can use them to advance their careers. So they hand out more drugs knowing they cause violent crimes and rub their hands gleefully at every shooting that occurs. “Waste no emergency.”
(His field is psychology. He lectures about human behavior rather than biology. Probably ignorant what SSRI’s do like most non-scientists.)
What really riles me up are psychiatrists who pass out their drugs like office mints. And–despite complaining of suicidal depression–refuse to take any. This blatant hypocrisy sickens me. Not just hurting people through well-meaning ignorance, but callous deception. I have only contempt for such people.
This is a short article. Obviously it can’t go into detail due to brevity.
But it fails to distinguish between voluntary or involuntary asylums. A very big difference.
Is Bobak advocating for the type of Soteria House that Loren Mosier ran till the APA cut his funding? Or the chain of asylums old “Doc” Drew wants to start?
Either way, count me out. I will never trust a shrink again after what I have experienced.
Releasing a wrongfully accused prisoner after a number of years would also produce similar problems. Lack of employment history, etc.
If he has been manhandled routinely in prison by the guards so he suffered extensive TBI and nerve damage it will be still worse. Yet no one would oppose his release and pretend it was an act of kindness!
The “mental health” system makes reintegration into mainstream society impossible.
I have never been in a true asylum myself–or the modern version called the state mental hospital. But once people in your community know your status as a “severely mentally ill” individual they treat you worse than a felon.
I find the whole concept of mental illness intellectually problematic.
Is it poor cognitive skills? No. That’s called “developmental delay” or whatever the popular term is now. It seems–according to prominent experts on mental illness–that it is bad behaviors impossible to overcome without their help.
“Symptoms” of “bipolar” include rage, pride, lust, and greed. Traditionally called sins. According to psychiatrists certain people have no agency and can never change. This dates back to the Victorian concept of “criminal types” who could be labeled defective by low foreheads and hairy hands and skull size. Assuming you were white. Everybody else was automatically judged defective.
Many here can testify to how wrong these alleged experts are.
Somehow it’s innately biological AND a moral defect at the same time. How can this be? It leads to being treated worse than a convicted felon. Rather than judging you on the content of your character people will judge you on what some shrink who talked to you for fifteen minutes decided. And your bad drug reactions.
So there’s the prejudice (premature judgments with no regard to actual behavior.) Prominent psychiatrists go to great lengths to promote this.
People can change their behaviors without medical help. Human beings have been doing it for ages. But everyone assuming the worst of you makes change impossible till you relocate and start over.
The drugs and shocks make gainful employment–needed for housing usually–difficult if not impossible. Suffering from GI issues myself. At least it’s a great excuse to my neighbors for why I’m on disability.
So the bigotry and brain damage passed off on the public as “safe and effective treatment” are why releasing those in the asylum wasn’t much of a success.
Hi Jane. Thanks for your story.
Just finished reading the 01/24 article here at MIA about Drew Pinsky’s views on homelessness. Reread yours.
We need more stories like this You put the lie to Pinsky’s BS statements about how all “mentally ill” people enjoy being homeless.
You tell why it’s difficult if not impossible to bootstrap your way out of poverty once psychiatry has “helped” you.
The proper term for stigma is segregation. Psychiatry’s primary function has always been to separate the “unfit” from mainstream society via labels or incarceration. Making getting hired difficult.
Once diagnosed SMI you are subjected to treatments designed to render you childish and docile. Not independent or level headed. Even if you escape these brutal regimens of drugs/shocks/brain mutilations the damage is real. Whatever health issues you may have had are far worse than before.
And SSI for the disabled punishes you for trying to better yourself by cutting you off at the knees.
With the high housing costs in California it’s no wonder homelessness is a problem.
Dr. Phil is too behavior oriented. Jerry Springer II.
Dr. Oz would be a better proponent of the bio bio bio model. And he uses cool gimmicks.
He could fill a telephone booth with black balloons and say, “These are gloomy thoughts filling your brain.” Takes a knitting needle: “This is shock therapy.” Pops all the balloons in the booth. “See how shocks can save your life by killing those gloomy brain cells.”
Torrey would smack his head. “Brilliant! Sheer genius! How come I never thought of that?”
According to NAMI (not an anti psychiatry organization) only 20% of the homeless are supposed to be “mentally ill.” That still is a significant minority.
Are any of them undergoing AOT while homeless? This is an important question to ask for sites that want to get at the truth.
I got angry at “Dr.” Drew’s assertion that the “mentally ill” all enjoy being homeless. Apparently he would have all believe these subhumans among the “normal” are not only too stupid to take the “meds” that restore their powers of reason, but enjoy exposure to the elements and threats of bodily harm.
I have sat up nights with a weeping friend who feared homelessness thanks to HUD inspections. Her executive functioning so damaged she couldn’t straighten her room properly. (As I couldn’t till recently. I finally shower regularly too. Restore normal brain function my foot!)
“Doc” Drew’s statements that all the “mentally ill” love being homeless is as insulting as it is stupid. I doubt he discussed homelessness or anything else with anyone he treated.
The man just wants to make a killing running a chain of asylums and is eager for warm bodies to cram into them. Psychiatry is the only branch of medicine easier to succeed in than day time talk shows.
“Scripted lines”? Nobody writes my comments but me.
Just a fantasy for any of us. Of course. Like getting back the lives they ruined.
Preventing them from locking up, crippling, and killing more people would be enough for me.
My body is inflamed and my brain damaged from the treatments. My heart was going bad before I escaped. Psychiatry was killing me. As it has countless others. My “bipolar 2” was created by a drug reaction no one acknowledges.
What’s left to improve about psychiatry? They get 6 or 7 digit salaries and never have to worry about lawsuits. The Professional House is in great shape. No one is about to burn it down. Like the pigs at the end of Animal Farm. They get what they want and that’s all that matters.
Lots of people come here to mock the suffering. “Psychiatry is not going anywhere!”
My response? Doing right is more important than winning.
It’s better to lose fighting for what’s right than win by joining the forces of evil. If Hitler had won World War II do you think opposing him would still have been worthwhile? (It cost Dietrich Bonhoeffer his life.) I say Yes.
Assuming–for the sake of argument–psychiatrists do know more about human brains now…that does NOT guarantee they will refrain from abuse. By that logic all Josef Mengele needed were more lessons in human anatomy. 😛
The idea that giving anyone absolute power with no repercussions for anyone they harm somehow benefits those at their mercy is ludicrous.
My question is: What if a family member gets sick of a “mentally ill” person and makes an appeal for involuntary euthanasia? If the “loved” one cries “I want to live!” they can chalk it up to lack of insight.
The Scapegoat is irrational and can’t appreciate how subhuman they are. That their life is unworthy of living as the Germans put it. 🙁
i worry that abusive families and doctors may be allowed to euthanize troublesome members someday. At their own discretion of course. (“Loved” one be damned.)
It’s all about control. Drugs cut life expectancy in half. As Jaffe and Earley well know.
They also know the Chemical Imbalance is a lie but gladly foist it on the public and cram those drugs down family members’ throat. They know they don’t protect or heal but push them anyhow. Defectives are only fit to be locked up. Crippling them and having them die prematurely is convenient for devoted dads like Earley. Or loving brothers-in-law like Stanley–uh–I mean Jaffe.
So Earley admits his book is a work of fiction, hmmm? i daresay there’s professional envy involved.
I bet I know who really wrote the letter he published on his site.
It speaks volumes about Earley’s character that he accused his son of attempted homicide when attempted suicide would also have gotten him hospitalized. Kevin got treated far worse. But the homicide lie was more dramatic. Priorities.
I read an article in the UK Guardian by Edward Bullmore. Glad he’s taking his colleagues to task.
Psychiatry’s standard treatments cause inflammation. If there’s any validity to Bullmore’s hypothesis, what his colleagues are doing is exacerbating the original complaint.
i was repeatedly told
1. The drugs were correcting a chemical imbalance in my brain.
2. That they were neuro-protectors to prevent decline.
3. And they were needed to prevent me from hurting myself and others.
4. And they were my only hope for independent living and gainful employment.
All lies I found out. Doubtful any shrinks believe them. Except number 3.
The real justification behind psychiatry is what I saw in an interview between Stossel and Jaffe. Jaffe told him, “These people will only wind up in institutions anyway.”
Writing his fellow men and women off as garbage has been the life mission of D.J. Jaffe.
In the sight of Heaven Jaffe may be judged far less worthy than those HE judges unfit to exist.
Shrinks consider that an improvement because making people look scary proves how necessary their profession is. It also helps segregate the “mentally ill” from the mainstream and promotes stigma.
Many a well informed shrink loves stigma, segregation, and visible nerve damage. Great PR for his quackery.
Yes. Suicide has been going on long before psychiatric drugs/shocks–or even psychiatry itself existed.
I do think psychiatry has caused suicide rates to skyrocket. I wasn’t suicidal till the shrinks punished me for my reaction to Anafranil at age 20. 10 mg Haldol that caused seizures and tardive psychosis. My shrink told my friends and family the only reason I experienced these problems was non-compliance. Took the pills religiously but my failure to improve was seen as evidence of my naughtiness. My tearful protests were to no avail. I got kicked out of college.
I couldn’t talk normally, or enjoy anything. I was told no man could ever love a schizophrenic and I would die a virgin like my great aunt. Everyone yelled at me all the time. After a year I decided we’d all be better off if I died. God wouldn’t answer my prayers for cancer so I felt suicide was necessary.
Weird thoughts and hallucinations exist. But there are no known bio-markers to distinguish a “schizophrenic” brain–except for those caused by iatrogenic damage.
I read about how William Glasser “cured” people diagnosed as SMI. He called what they experienced “creative symptoms” since they’re creative mind games to cope with pain.
I thought this article would be about the link between “mental health” and disability related poverty which RW touched on in his Anatomy of an Epidemic. Mildly disappointed.
I’m happy for Ms. Davis btw.
Like many here I didn’t grow up poor. All those wonderful “treatments” sentenced us to lives of poverty. 3 years off my cocktail I can finally clean my room again after 20 years. Thanks for the systemic damage “mental health.”
I hope and pray I can earn enough with online gigs to save myself from homelessness soon. My parents are frail and elderly. They may have to sell the house soon.
I can’t drive due to neuroleptic seizures that prevented my drivers license when young. Never had a family of my own. Almost no friends. In horrible pain every day with symptoms like Crohns and Lyme Disease that seem to baffle doctors.
They get very mysterious and won’t venture guesses on the causes of the disorders they diagnose. My CNS, GI, and executive function are wrecked from long term druggings.
Very angry. I weep inconsolably almost every night holding my cat–mourning the life psychiatrists stole from me.
If you don’t want to wind up sick, lonely and poor stay far away from shrinks!!!
Hmm. Notice how astronomers don’t get their panties in a wad because Flat Earthers exist.
The Church of Psychiatry knows they’ve got the Good Stuff. They don’t take kindly to any one invading their turf.
I got suspicious of NAMI when I realized they were censoring what we could read or listen to. They canceled a speaker who got better off her drugs and wouldn’t tell us why. I found out from the grapevine. Then I realized the people running the show–the “normals”–were also listening in on our conversations.
They knew the truth would set us free. And it scared them.
The more hysterical rants I hear demonizing the anti-vax crowd the more distrustful of the flu vaccine I become too. 😛
I’m certainly not. As long as I live my “diagnosis” will hang over my head. No one with the label of schizophrenia or bipolar can see a medical specialist without the threat of being found out.
Julie Greene was terrified her past would bite her in the butt if a doctor realized the full extent of her kidney damage. (That it had occurred from “therapeutic” lithium levels used as standard treatment for an illness like no other.)
I’m sure you are a kindly, well-meaning doctor. My rant is not meant as an insult to you.
It would be great if more doctors like you existed. But EVERY medical specialist I know personally either believes the medical model–sadness and all negative emotions as well as the rarer extreme states are indisputably brain diseases–or cheerfully lies to the public.
Dr. Blatt, as a medical practitioner, you see things the rest of us don’t. Which would you say it is? Honest ignorance, deception (reluctance to blow the whistle and a desire for pharmaceutical perks) or a combination?
It’s troubling to think how most doctors go along with this. Whether it’s because they’re incompetent, cowardly or corrupt this keeps most survivors from trusting them. 🙁
Way to hide that embarrassing truth…that people in developing nations recover from what they would call “severe mental illness.”
Shrinks are scared Westerners abroad will discover this. The solution? More chemically crippled brains all over the globe to “prove” how hopeless their test subjects are.
Or pretended to treat non-existent heart diseases and prescribed pills to damage the hearts of your patients. Then sold more drugs to treat the damage you caused which caused more damage in other vital organs.
Now all that’s needed is more effective marketing for replacing those pesky patients who keep dying.
Lieberman makes himself still richer by turning even more people into penniless cripples. Who slowly die.
People like him deserve the reward Farid Fata got.
The mother strove to turn her son into a murderous lunatic and succeeded.
Why do these women enjoy having adult children living in their basements for crying out loud? Most parents view that as a bad thing.
Why are they so upset at adult offspring moving out, getting jobs and having relationships? Most parents WANT grandchildren. NAMI mommies would love to sterilize their young. (At least those they designate the Scapegoat.)
NAMI mommies are way nuttier than the offspring they claim to want to help. At least till the “doctor” these gaslighting drama mamas hire succeeds in destroying the son/daughter’s brain and CNS.
The shrink never seems to care–if he notices–what pieces of work the “loved ones” are. Probably because they pay the bill.
Why not let the poor offspring have a life? Instead they force them onto welfare and prevent them from getting jobs. And Heaven help the “kid” if they ever fall in love with anyone! More drama, screams and hysterics from their “normal” NAMI mommy dearest.
I would like to ask Rick Warren if the “mentally ill” have souls like real people.
Since he denies us free agency and claims we have no moral accountability for our actions this is worth asking.
Would dearly love to find a way to spike the food supply of a couple dozen shrinks with SSRI drugs in therapeutic doses. My guess is out of 30 approximately 5 would develop psychotic mania within a week or two.
When they find out, remind them that according to their alleged science this reaction means they were Bipolar all along. The drugs just unmasked that condition. Then tell them they’ll have to take cocktails for the rest of their lives. Watch them wriggle out of that. Record the whole thing for social media.
It would have to be publicly recorded to work. They never play by their own rules. (Whining how lack of government funds is forcing them to commit suicide instead of getting “diagnosed” and “hospitalized” and “treated” for suicidal desires like the rest of us.)
Public exposure of the profession’s bovine excrement would be great.
You got that right.
There’s plenty of spraying pretty fragrances around. Scented like vanilla, flowers, fruit. But the stench is overpowering. What we need is a good flush.
Consider that mainstream psychiatry is about destroying the health and cognitive function of those it “helps.” Psychiatry fills the human heart with existential angst and self loathing.
Psychiatry prevented me–and countless others–from marriage, a career, family, or friendships with any but a few other outcasts. 🙁
Is it any wonder so many of those with psychiatric labels kill themselves?
All I can say in Dr. K’s defense is maybe all his clients are newbies to psychiatry who have never taken SSRIs for more than 6-12 months.
Or maybe they know that psychiatrists will always laugh at how horrible they feel–say it’s imaginary and/or they’re faking it for attention. Like the seizures I had on Haldol. 😛 After that I quit sharing anything negative about ye precious pills.
(Your mainstream shrink would rather hear you insult his own mother than the pills he prescribes. Like his whole sense of self worth is wrapped up in those things.)
Dr. K is obviously not a mainstream psychiatrist. That’s why so many here–including myself–get upset and angry at his casual dismissal of our suffering. We expect it of the dangerous quacks working in community mental illness centers. But we hope for better from mavericks like him.
Close was nice enough to force her sister to wear a T-shirt saying ‘Schizophrenic” out in public and actually touched her. With people watching and everything.
A lot of heroism and self sacrifice on Glen’s part. 😛 Ugh.
I think what most people consider prolonged withdrawal symptoms are simply damage from long term drug use. Before starting my taper I had been diagnosed with pernicious anemia and heart arrythmia. I also was experiencing Inflammatory Bowel Disease. Though the diagnosis was pretty recent.
Going off seemed to exacerbate autoimmune problems. Not sure why. My pain threshold is lower for one thing. (Psych drugs numb physical pain too.) And my stomach acid levels are different. Was on the stuff 24 years.
There are young people who start acting oddly. For whatever reason.
Mom has always been worried about looking Normal and Blending in. It bugged me how looking good was more important than being good on the inside.
I was a weird child. Too eccentric and imaginative. Used to throw ugly tantrums and they drove my folks nuts since everyone at church condemned them for not punishing me severely enough.
Before kindergarten my folks took me to an educational center that ran tests. I drew a woman as they requested. The skirt was “too long” according to them.
They asked me why I disliked preschool. I used a big word when I told them. “Responsibilities.” Tongue clucking and note taking.
They told my parents it was their fault I was messed up. Using big words I obviously didn’t know because they forced me to. Drawing women wearing long skirts meant my parents made me feel ashamed of my legs.
My mom was very upset. She has told me since she always knew there was something wrong and weird about me. The center blamed my environment. The bio-model blamed heredity which she claimed came from Dad’s side too.
Why is being Weird the unpardonable sin? Lots of “normal” people do rotten things all the time. But if their cruel, selfish behaviors are socially appropriate and NORMAL everyone is fine with that.
Thank you for this article Dr. Hahn. Nice to have more specialists of legitimate sciences writing for MIA.
With the many adults involved in the life of today’s child there are plenty of potential abusers other than the parents.
My brother and I were emotionally abused by a teacher we both had different years. My parents never found out till we were teens. We thought our folks approved of Mrs. I’s behaviors and teachings. They had no idea and were upset when we told them.
SomeoneElse and others here could share how their children were abused without their knowledge or consent. So blaming the mom or parents is a gross oversimplification. Often unjust.
Though this article points out the problem was less common than represented. Psychiatrists are misrepresenting their own history even as they misrepresent what they know about the human brain.
Nobody seems to acknowledge that large numbers of people attempt suicide while religiously adhering to the drug regimen–exactly as prescribed by the doctor.
While taking my cocktail exactly as prescribed by my shrink I frequently was suicidal and would be hospitalized 1-3 times every year.
Off my drugs for 30 months and despite my poverty and sickness (iatrogenic digestive system damage) I have regained the will to live. But no one wants to hear stories like mine.
The APA will only strip Open Dialogue of all meaning and value by incorporating the bio model. Just as they have CBT and meditation.
My guess is they’ll turn it into a gripe session where the “SMI” person’s family is encouraged to gang up on him or her. “Keva you need to own up to being the schizophrenic in this family. Why won’t you just admit you’re the problem and take your meds?”
Not with a single lethal injection though.
A prolonged death over the course of many years via 3-10 various neuroleptics/serotonin inhibitors/tranquilizers.
That’s the only humane course to take. Motivated purely by compa$$ion. 😀
My mental illness team told me logical thinking was impossible for my kind and I needed to rely on everyone else to do my thinking for me. Around that time I really “lost it.” Ain’t insight grand?
A lot of doctors chalk them up to fake diseases. Anything to prescribe more SSRIs and get rewarded with warm doughnuts and views up Barbie’s miniskirt.
That’s why most of us survivors distrust doctors. If we even continue to believe in allopathic medicine.
So Dr. K…how would you classify real physical disorders created by fake meds to treat fake diseases? Funny how these real diseases are ignored or minimized if the doctor knows you’re being treated for a fake disease.
My anemia and thyroid problem kept getting used as an excuse to boost my SSRI dose. Now I smile and say I feel perfectly happy but just a little sluggish. Could they please just check my hemoglobin and thyroid levels?
I understand the frustration many here feel. Like others I share a small living space as the only alternative to homelessness and am still too messed up for a regular job. Autoimmune diseases and trouble concentrating, remembering or organizing.
Plus the MI System strongly discouraged me from finding work–partly by requiring long hours in “day treatment” and “clubhouse.” So my work history is very poor.
Others of you are worse off. Living under a bridge or abandoned warehouse. Maybe forced into AOT or locked up or forced to live with abusers. Maybe you don’t even get disability to live off.
Melissa’s cards are not a solution to problems like homelessness. Houses of cards are for shrinks to construct. 😉 Nor do they free the imprisoned nor end the pharmacological torture. But these problems are things even the greatest medical and legal experts struggle with. Dr. Goezhe, Dr. Breggin, Jim Gottstein….
At least Melissa is trying to bring the teeniest ray of comfort into the lives of those who exist just to serve as scapegoats for all that’s wrong with humanity today. Letting them know that someone still sees them as Human Beings instead of monsters or garbage.
I’m trying to do more of that myself. Maybe volunteer for a warmline for survivors.
There are other contributors here far worthier of our ire. One of them is a mainstream psychiatrist who posted a mocking comment on a young man’s memorial page a while back. It makes more sense to get angry at people like him.
Of course the idea that mindlessness meditation–as Julie used to call it–or counseling can benefit purely neurological disorders flies in the face of the bio-bio-bio model narrative psychiatrists have written.
They struggle with the narrative when they wax eloquent upon how the internet spreads agosognosia. Yet claim this lack of “insight” is completely genetic in origin.
Respected psychiatrists seem to be arguing that genes can be altered through reading internet articles they disagree with. Lol
Why many find “mental health”=depression. You get your entire identity out of popping pills and attending “groups” to reinforce how sick/crazy/helpless you are.
Normal things that give most a sense of life purpose–career and family–are strongly discouraged.
There’s way more to our neurochemical makeup than dopamine and serotonin despite what NAMI would have us believe. Most of the chemicals in the human brain remain unclassified by science.
If they don’t even know what they’re trying to fix how can they fix it?
I keep hearing shrinks tell everyone–not just us–how their treatments are 100% safe and effective. They prevent murder, adultery, homelessness, drunkenness, theft, suicide, etc. And they’re “safer than aspirin.” “Just like insulin for diabetes.”
So they admit to each other that all their medical help is worthless? A pack of lying scoundrels.
Shrinks whining about how the geese laying their golden eggs squawk too much.They’re the ungrateful ones IMHO.
Yep. Replace all psychiatrists with kiosks containing computers. You can take the test for “mental illness” with in the multiple choice quiz already used by shrinks.
Print up the new diagnostic label/s on a receipt. Then run your Medicaid/Medicare/insurance cared through various vending machines that will dispense 7-30 days worth of pills.
The machines won’t make you wait 2 hours extra for a 10 minute office visit. They don’t play golf.
The worst thing about psychiatric “remedies” is they cause exquisite suffering no onlooker can see. Even kind hearted people can’t appreciate the Hell that’s between your ears.
My mother would tearfully ask my shrink why I paced, jerked uncontrollably, had mini seizures, couldn’t carry on a conversation, concentrate or smile. “She never was like this.”
“Doc” M covered his butt with judicious victim blaming and gas lighting. Of course.
Most serial killers live in their own homes, hold down jobs, and even have families.
I also object to “Doc” Drew’s nonsense that “All the ‘mentally ill’ people enjoy being homeless.”
It reminds me of how racists say “People of ethnic group X enjoy living in the high crime district.”
I am afraid of homelessness for crying out loud! Been having nightmares about it. Lots of “consumers” are. A friend of mine kept begging to be sent to a “home” because her frontal lobes were too messed up on her cocktail to keep the Marine-style level of cleanliness and order that HUD demands and most people would find challenging.
It’s safe to assume Drew wants nothing but state hospitals. Basically prisons rife with every abuse imaginable–including rape.
WTH is wrong with Drew? It’s a safe bet HE never talked to them or any of his victims. Can’t humanize ’em since that would be unprofessional.
It’s essential to wear a nice lab coat, have clean finger nails, never raise your voice (you can scare people into submission without shouting.)
Flash your MD around. From the only medical field that accepts people who swoon at the sight of blood.
Forget losers like Louis Pasteur and Alexander Fleming. Song and dance numbers outweigh facts. Make like P.T. Barnum.
Remember a happy mark won’t give much repeat business. Give them something highly addictive with as many side effects as possible. With luck you’ll get to sell 3 drugs for every original drug you put them on. 😀 That’s a cocktail of 9 meds for your average Bipolar case. Cha ching!
Remember–only do horrible things in socially appropriate ways.
Precisely Boans!
What’s to prevent shrinks from involuntarily euthanizing the “SMI”?
We already have no say in what they do to us. And they ignore the damage their “safe and effective” treatments have on those they regard as lab rats.
It’s only lack of insight preventing Ms. Smith from appreciating her subhuman condition and that she has Lebensunwertes Leben (a life unworthy of life.) Therefore kindly, wise Dr. X will kill her despite her protests.
So does Jaffe advocate telling police to not be afraid of shooting anyone accused of being “MI”? If not, this is still the result. Not that he would care.
Are the folks running NAMI that dumb or do they want to get their loved ones shot if the drugs don’t work fast enough. 25 years is a long wait for an annoying “loved one” to die.
I’ll never forget a commenter here who supported AOT and said she was glad her “mentally ill” daughter would die young and didn’t care her life was ruined by the drugs because she was happy forcing her to live hopelessly dependent in her basement forever.
Why isn’t that woman considered a menace? She’s the one with messed up thinking. Her “crazy” daughter wasn’t the one saying that crap about her.
Isn’t wanting your adult offspring to be crippled, unemployed and living in your basement forever pretty bizarre? But that’s the ultimate NAMI mommy wet dream. Creepy.
Leaving psychiatry is indeed the only healthy response to this brutal regime. Never argue with anyone whose 7 digit income depends on writing off your complaints as delusions.
But I couldn’t keep the entry-level job due to old age and long term damage causing my autoimmune disease.
Creative freelancing will allow me to “come out” as a survivor more easily. I have made a vow to do so in 2024.
Leaving California would help those folks a lot. Housing is way more affordable in my state. $20,000 here goes further than $50,000 in the Sunshine State.
An institution is four walls. Pinsky should have this pointed out to him.
They are very wrong to say all the homeless enjoy being that way. Krista didn’t choose homelessness. Nor did Julie Greene or me. Yet we nearly wound up that way because psychiatry prevented us from gainful employment.
By deliberate crippling with their cruel, pointless experiments. And promoting bigotry as Pinsky is doing. How is one supposed to find/keep a job when Pinsky and his ilk are out to sabotage all efforts and terrify neighborhoods to promote NIMBY even after finding jobs?
Of course letting these people become gainfully employed so they can afford their own housing is not an option.
I was gainfully employed at 17. Went to college and took a full course load and PT work at the campus library. Then I saw a shrink, took his pills and stayed awake for 21 days. Labels, more drugs than ever, unemployment…
Struggling to work with a chronic illness from home.
I still think psychiatry is exacerbating–if not causing–the homelessness epidemic. And benefits are being cut because almost 30% of the population is iatrogenically crippled/barred from working thanks to “Doctor” Drew’s colleagues. All the mental workers swore up and down if I took my “meds” religiously I could find gainful employment and maybe even get married.
But it all depended on unquestioning obedience and taking whatever drugs my shrinks dished out. Even if they caused seizures, uncontrollable vomiting, heart problems, strokes, etc. 😛
There are more jobs now. Sadly though, my autoimmune condition from 25 years on drugs makes many of these impossible. I can no longer work as a cashier due to bodily weakness and chronic pain.
What did I get for it? Alienation. Segregation. Dire poverty. Banned from gainful employment. Massive weight gain (more than 100% body mass.) Autoimmune disease. Heart problems.
That’s how the mentalists reward you for the insight they praise. And they assume you’re stupid and warn your family that you won’t take your “meds” since “they never do.”
Of course my “insight” and reputation as a “good consumer” helped me escape once I figured out I’d been had. The real advantage to compliance.
Never underestimate the placebo effect.
Of course there is more than that at work. A lot of drugs bring people out of depression by producing a mild euphoria.
I experienced this with my first time on Zoloft. But my depression came from being labeled “schizo-affective” after a bad trip on Anafranil. I got kicked out of college thanks to my label. 10 mg Haldol destroyed my ability to socialize/enjoy anything/smile.
Mental services blamed my suicidal misery on my brain. Not being labeled hopelessly defective or drugged out on seizure causing neuroleptics.
In the hospital someone told me I wasn’t a monster and listened while I sobbed out the year of pain I had been through. The Zoloft gave me a speedy lift. I got released for Thanksgiving.
My guess is those pushing MI System don’t want to wreck society since an end to Western Civilization would mean no more yacht parties.
But–like the Onceler in the picture book–their greed has made them very short sighted. And instead of trees they’re chopping down young human lives just as fast as they please.
I struggle with the urge to go full misanthrope myself.
In my phone talks with Julie Greene she told me that distrust–even hatred–for most of humanity is common to psychiatric survivors.
It comes from being cast out of society so only a few fellow outcasts will still speak to you. Of being blamed for every violent crime committed. Of trembling every time you hear of a mass shooting since you know people will blame duly appointed scapegoats for society, known as the “mentally ill” for the actions of those you have no control over.
if it were seen as punishing a group for the crimes of a single individual, people would be forced to acknowledge the injustice. But call life long imprisonment/mutilation/druggings “treatment” and dismiss those forced to suffer. They can take pride in their benevolence and only need to fear dislocated shoulders from patting their own backs.
But we who survive the System are not fooled. We see through this faux compassion for what it is. Cold indifference to the suffering of their fellow human beings. Projecting the murder and madness in their own hearts onto the designated Other. 🙁
Every morning I feel what has been inflicted on my body. I make a conscious choice for forgiveness and love. Not easy and the damage remains. But my psyche is noticeably better.
I only know what goes on in the hearts of the scapegoating “sane” because I too am guilty of this behavior. i truly am one of them–acknowledged or not.
It looks like the movie Unsane takes a more realistic look at psychiatry than Joker.
The funny part of Unsane is how it’s viewed as some sort of unusual scandal the psych hospital locks people up as long as insurance covers it. And gets shut down when this Unusual Scandal comes to light.
I have said some harsh things about real doctors on this site.
In justice to those GPs and FNPs, they lead such busy lives that aside from maybe a few trade articles to stay current, none have time to sift through all the propaganda/marketing campaigns disguised as medical science.
The truth can’t keep pace with all the lies the enemy grinds out. Truly sad. 🙁
“In other words, the conservatee has to prove he or she has been handling the very responsibilities or freedoms that the conservatorship has limited their ability to engage in.”
This sums up the Mental System as a whole, actually.
Strap a ball and chain to our ankles and mock our inability to run laps.
Yes, Anomie. Survival of the Fittest as the standard can be brutal to those judged unfit. Weakness is viewed as the ultimate crime–worse than robbery or murder.
A major difference between “original sin” and “mental illness” is the playing field is level. We’re ALL sinners. And genetic defects–though they exist–don’t make anyone inherently better than another.
Whereas psychiatrists believe the majority are born sane. Such as themselves.
Furthermore the doctrine of “original sin” goes along with the doctrine that all human beings are special beings who bear the divine breath within. And have basic rights to life and liberty by nature of our common humanity. Regardless of intelligence, strength or beauty.
Monism is the philosophy psychiatry is founded upon. Monists believe we don’t have thoughts. What we call thoughts are merely random chemical reactions in our skulls.
Psychiatrists ignored me whenever I said anything negative about the pills they put me on. Either I was lying or it was my “illness” which (quite coincidentally) had never manifested in that form before I took their “100% safe, effective life-saving medicine.”
Liar or inherent defectiveness. Can’t pill shame.
So I decided two can play at this game. I lied and flattered shamelessly. As long as you kiss up and praise ye precious pills they’ll believe anything you say. It shows “good insight.” LOL
Arrogant people are highly susceptible to flattery. Remember Colonel Klink in Hogan’s Heroes?
It helped me escape.
They hate the truth so you feed them the lies they prefer.
Oh, they’ll easily believe you are “symptom” free. AKA no depression. Regardless of how you feel.
What highly scientific method do they use to figure out your depression levels? Blood tests? Brain scans? Spinal taps?
Nope.
A quiz with 0-5 for negative feelings. They throw some physical symptoms that could be caused by real health issues, but it’s a trap. Just put 0 on everything and three 1’s so they won’t get suspicious.
My joys and sorrows are my own business. I’l deal with them as I see fit. And calling my real life sorrows or griefs mere symptoms of some (unproven) brain disease is insulting the way I see it.
The teen talking to non-existent people. The man going around calling himself Moses or Gandhi. The woman who imagines the CIA is spying on her.
Very few people in the MI System I met ever experienced this pre-drugs.
Most were nervous and unhappy from crap in their lives. Till the psych treatments sent them over the edge.
Or they got a plea deal for shop lifting or assault.
Or had a drinking problem that AA used to help with. Now they’re addicted to stuff far worse than booze.
That is the main reason I chose to come off my drugs. Despite the suffering my withdrawal caused.
I was brought up a teetotaler, non-smoker, “just say no” kid. if these drugs were the same as street drugs how could I continue to take them?
BTW, a lot of little old ladies on SSRI’s would be irate if they could be convinced they’d been tricked into taking addictive, mind altering drugs by that nice-seeming doctor they trusted.
Dr. Ronald Pies did in a couple articles published in the APA journal.
He was very indignant that anyone thought members of his profession were ignorant enough to believe the lies they told those who trusted them. 😀
‘”Far away from the from the eloquent critiques from Mad in America, one is as likely to have a patient REQUESTING to be diagnosed or start a new medication.”
Dr. T.N. Tampiyappa
“The Matrix: Disentangling Antipsychiatry”
MIA 12/19
I have heard other psychiatrists say this. Though my label almost made me commit suicide before I decided to live above it.
FWIW I have known some people who enjoyed being able to turn over adult responsibilities to the mental system.
Do they even want to make valid scientific discoveries?
Assume–for the sake of argument–they discover more about the chemicals of our brains and classify more. Then they discover all the “safe and effective” treatments they based their careers on have done the exact opposite of what they were supposed to.
It’s safe to assume psychiatry would not come out smelling like roses in this scenario. So my guess is they would promptly skew or suppress the results.
His evil is the icy sort rather than the fiery sort.
Most of his victims are strangers to him. He doesn’t hate; he is coldly indifferent to the sufferings of his fellow human beings. Whom he perceives solely as means to the end of his own prestige.
He only actively hates those like Breggin and RW who get in the way of his money, fame and power.
Julie Greene had a dream of consulting to help people going through extreme states see it through and avoid the mental system entirely. Or leave the system after getting sucked in.
I really would like to see her ebook “Life Without Lithium” get published.
One of her brothers came over to the anti psychiatry side. Maybe he would be agreeable to getting it published as Julie wished.
As an orthodox Christian who attends a Church of Christ assembly based on the Bible and fundamentalist notions, I struggled with the incompatibility of my religious faith and psychiatry.
Yes, brain illnesses exist. Meningitis, epilepsy, dementia, brain cancer, ALS, traumatic brain damage. These cause cognitive problems–along with other issues like motor impairment.
But what psychiatrists–especially the high ranking kind–love to warn the public against are not people with cognitive problems. (Torrey doesn’t go on national TV to warn the populace about how dangerous all people with Down Syndrome are. Notice that?)
Basically “mental illness” refers to moral issues. If a young man goes berzerk with a gun or knife or homemade bomb he isn’t cognitively impaired. Often these murderers show great ingenuity in gaining or constructing these weapons.
The problem is moral–not cognitive in nature. The idea that any pill can cure moral problems by strengthening the conscience and rekindling love for your neighbor is ludicrous.
My religion promises help in overcoming moral problems (AKA sins) through traditional means laid out in our scriptures. But when well meaning church members urged me to get “help” and take my “meds” I wondered what good our church was. Did “mentally ill’ people like me not have souls since the Atonement was insufficient for our redemption?
No one else pondered these questions. Then I discovered most shrinks–especially the high ranking members of the APA–don’t believe in souls. They are actually monists or materialists.
My dad is a retired preacher with a graduate degree in theology. I read him Dr. Pies’s article arguing both against the chemical imbalance “metaphor” and in for hard core materialism. This turned my dad against psychiatry–realizing it was actually a rival religion sneaking into churches by posing as a branch of medicine.
For my part I value good counseling, but cannot afford anything outside the MH system and so many are 100% pro pharmakiah as well as telling me how hopeless my “bipolar’ status makes me. Afraid to see any and tired of the depressing messages.
The DSM is full of odd thoughts and behaviors but most shrinks would be hard put to define what a “mentally healthy” person is supposed to act, think and feel like.
William Glasser wrote about it, but he was a rogue the APA would love to forget. Glasser rejected the notion of labels and long term drugs or shocks as helpful.
With all due respect Dr. T, I don’t have the power to vote anyone off the Island since I lost all citizenship rights after getting labeled. (The label itself made me suicidal while i believed it.)
You might say I have fled the island no longer feeling safe there.
I have no doubt the pills help some by numbing their emotional pain.
i sought out psychiatry willingly but had no idea i would be labeled ‘bipolar’ because the SSRI would keep me awake for 3 weeks straight. On a cocktail for 22 years and kicked out of college. No career or family or friends in my late forties thanks to being labeled and drugged so heavily I slept 10-12 hours a day. (And too numb to pick up on social cues and nuances I ordinarily could.)
You could argue I came willingly but so could the victims of Farid Fata who willingly took lengthy chemo treatments because he told them they had leukemia. And they didn’t.
Unlike you Dr. T., my psychiatrists told me I had a chemical imbalance in my brain their drugs would rectify and I would probably harm myself or others without the cocktail i must take. Most denied what i experienced–my tonic seizures (minor side effect)–and blamed my weight gain on nutritional ignorance and gluttony. Then marveled at my depression and low self esteem. Fancy that. *Eye roll.*
When I read William Glasser i was so relieved to know i was not a monster and it was not my fault the drugs made me feel awful instead of helping me live independently and get along with others outside the MI ghetto.
Nowhere but MIA to share stories like mine it seems. And there are plenty.
Thank you for acknowledging people like us exist and shouldn’t be locked up for what others have put us through.
They do a great job at concealing their dislike. I no longer trust the medical profession because of this collusion.
Like a city run by a crooked police force. It may be just 5% of the police breaking the law they claim to uphold. But they couldn’t do it without all the rest supporting and covering for their corrupt buddies.
Their pills destroy grey matter and cause brain shrinkage according to studies done–but not brought up–by Dr. Nancy Andreason. Prominent p-doctor and author of The Broken Brain.
I agree Alex.
The best treatment for prolonged stress would be good nutrition, proper exercise, enough sleep, plenty of water, and people who loved you.
Kind of how I’m curing the damage done by those I’d thought were helping me.
I admit I know little about these studies. But even if accurate, they do not justify psychiatric drugs/shocks any more than Brittle Bone Disease justifies taking a crow bar to the legs of a sufferer.
If ‘bad mental health policy’ means denial of due process, segregating and gas lighting select individuals, and slowly crippling and killing the weakest–including newborns–I agree.
But it probably means the laws are not draconian enough and we aren’t dying fast enough in large enough numbers to suit the powers that be.
Tie a pretty pink ribbon on torture and call it compassion.
A friend of mine left NAMI and urged me to leave “mental health” when her sister died at 49 and she saw my rapid decline. My heart is finally beating regularly again.
My family agrees the drugs did not help me. Many people are upset at the cruel, pointless experiments performed on their loved ones. Families that actually love each other. Even the sensitive types having a rough time.
How anyone could knowingly force a child to take drugs they know are crippling and slowly killing them is beyond me. At least my parents believed the chemical imbalance lie and were sincere though misguided. (By evil guides.) You can’t make such a defense in Pete Earley’s behalf. On his blog he unapologetically acknowledges this is false but claims it’s necessary to promote it to ensure “meds compliance.”
Google “Pete Earley chemical imbalance metaphor.” His blog will likely turn up with the article I’m thinking of.
I can finally read this without being blinded by tears.
Julie Greene was a true friend. We never actually met but talked on the phone a lot. As well as texting and emails.
She encouraged me to come off my “meds.” Gave me great advice for my own writing, job hunting and reintegration. (Hard for those who spent all their adult lives in the MI system.)
Sad she died so young, but she outlived the average psychiatrized person by ten years. There’s no doubt fleeing the system prolonged her life.
And she died at her own place with Puzzle. Not in an institution as she feared.
I find comfort in that thought.
Long before I heard about Robert Whitaker, I learned the truth about psychiatry from rogue psychiatrists–like William Glasser and Terry Lynch.
Far from upsetting me, the idea that the pills were not fixing my brain but harming it, was a great relief. I had often felt frustrated and depressed that my effective, neuro-protective pills weren’t helping me lead a happy, productive life like the MH people kept promising. No one else at the MH center seemed that “functional” either.
Opponents would argue “cause does not automatically mean correlation.”
But the fact that there are larger numbers of young people taking these drugs than ever and rates of joblessness due to emotional problems have skyrocketed should make anyone reconsider how effective these drugs are at helping people lead independent, meaningful lives.
Psychiatry has been compared to a dragon on this site.
I believe it is a Minotaur. An unnatural, hybridized monster lurking in a twisted maze of hopeless complexity. It prowls the darkness, devouring the young who have been placed there by the state. A convenient sacrifice to maintain tyranny.
Unlike its Greek counterpart, our minotaur is not satisfied with 14 young people. Every year its appetite grows as it devours larger numbers of our young–and bellows for more.
It is insatiable. Unless we find a Theseus, it will devour our future!
I am grateful for anyone trying to help, including the writer of this piece. At least he tells those who come to him the truth about the drugs he prescribes and it sounds as though he only supports consenting consumers.
Psychiatry is chalk full of euphemisms and oxymorons.
Examples of oxymorons:
“Integrate” means isolate or segregate
“Diagnose” means perform degradation ceremony
“Serve” means rule
“Insight” means breaking point
“Hospitalization” means imprisonment for no legal reason
“Assisted outpatient treatment” means pharmacological torture
“Mental health” means gas lighting
Psychiatry’s primary function for any but “soft diagnoses” is punitive. Whether you commit any crime or not they’ll treat you like a criminal and punish you for existing.
We already have a legal system to deal with people who actually commit crimes.
Tom Cruise has gone on record against psychiatry. (No, I don’t want him for a celebrity spokesperson!) Funny how he never has connected the Pre-Crime Unit in The Minority Report with Psychiatry.
Only instead of predicting real crimes and preventing them, these would be Pre-Crime Police get violent criminals released for “good insight” and “meds compliance” like Eric Harris, Devin Kelley and countless others. As well as locking up peaceful, law-abiding citizens indefinitely. Because they MIGHT commit crimes someday you see. Due process be hanged.
We already have a police force and psychics with better track records than shrinks.
In Anatomy of an Epidemic, RW implies that psychiatry faced extinction back in the 60’s. We have counselors to help adults make better life choices as well as neurologists to treat real brain disorders and other specialties for medical problems that get labeled “SMI” by psychiatrists.
Why do we need psychiatrists when we already have yoga and meditation classes at the local YMCA and fitness trainers? There are also a few counselors who belong to the Choice Theory/Reality Therapy school of thought founded by William Glasser or the kind founded by Peter Breggin.
I’m not anti-therapy or counseling or whatever you choose to call it. Szasz himself practiced counseling “between consenting adults” if my fellow APs care to remember.
The APA has chosen to put not just profit but personal egos above the health and lives of those who trusted them. Proving they were honest-to-gosh doctors practicing a legitimate medical specialty, required real medicines, diagnoses, and surgeries.
Never mind that the “medicines” were addictive mind altering drugs similar to the street kind. Never mind their “diagnoses” had only the “expert’s” say so with no objective tests and consisted of insulting laundry lists of character traits which shrinks wrongly claim are lifelong. Never mind the psycho surgeries (SOME of the surgeons do resemble Norman Bates come to think of it) are only random acts of brain damage any semi-literate thug could perform with an icepick or wooden baseball bat. They proved they are Real Doctors. Which is all that counts.
The only thing I admire the APA for is their clever marketing techniques mixed with ingeniously packaged propaganda that would make Big Brother green with envy. Master Illusionists.
I find your fourth paragraph interesting Dr. T. As a layperson i wouldn’t guess other specialists feel that way about psychiatry. They certainly hide it well from the public. Why is that?
i applaud your honesty in telling those who come to you for help that your pills restore nothing, but sometimes kill emotional pain.
As far as needing the drugs to kill the pain, how much of the pain was caused by social rejection/isolation and enforced idleness and poverty from getting the diagnosis and drugs to begin with? My SMI label nearly drove me to suicide since everyone turned on me.
Fled to where no one knows about it and I tapered off the soul killing drugs. Still on disability because of my Inflammatory Bowel Disease. Official diagnosis. I believe this is from long term SSRI use.
But I’m able to make friends, since I can understand social cues for the first time in my adult life. I am finally able to lose weight, shower regularly, and keep a clean house. People don’t shun me, or patronize me for a physical disability. For the first time in decades i feel like a human being again. 🙂
And i hope to start a tutoring business preparing high schoolers for SAT and ACT tests. The pay could help me earn a living working part time since my habits are frugal.
I never wanted to be unemployed forever. Many people in the system hate the enforced idleness, social isolation, and poverty. Do you think they knew what they were signing up for when they begged for a diagnosis and pills?
And yes–many do beg for these. You are perfectly right. Few of the fellow “consumers” could conceive that the drugs and labels played a role in the unemployment and alienation they often lamented.
If she had said all people of an ethnic minority were alike and should only date each other that would be racist.
Had a number of workers try to set me up with guys I didn’t like or enjoy being around. Guys with really poor cognitive skills (couldn’t read) and physically abusive. But “we’re all alike” you know. 😛
Allan Frances and others have been trying to cushion the fall for themselves.
And also remove a few cards to steady the structure. But the whole house is bound to fall anyhow.
I told my last therapist I was glad the drugs wiped out my sex drive since my label, rolls of fat, and drug altered personality rendered me undateable.
She acted shocked. “Well–uh–why not ask Dr. X to change it?”
Me: “To what? You know an SSRI is a standard part of treatment for Bipolar cases.”
That shocked her as much as the news that the drugs killed my mojo and the “stigma” rendered me unattractive. She kept telling me to date “bipolars.” Said only one of those could understand someone like me. We’re all alike you know. 😛
None of the guys I went to group with was that bright or had anything in common with me. Besides being labeled SMI.
And the labels are so subjective and elastic they’re only meaningful as a legal status–depriving you of your rights as a citizen. Granting the psych system absolute, unquestioned authority over you.
Since when has any tyrant VOLUNTARILY yielded his throne?
I wish this excellent site would focus more on reaching the mainstream. Those who don’t have a vested interest in keeping us segregated and ill.
Why do they need legitimate tests when their fake ones bolster their credibility so nicely?
If they did find bio markers they would conceal them. Why? It would show how counter productive their brain destroying “treatments” are–doing the exact opposite of what their test subjects needed. Like bleeding cholera victims.
And then they could no longer tout their quack remedies. The whole field would be swallowed up by the real brain specialists–the neurologists.
Hence anything that doesn’t support the efficacy of their “treatments” (AKA any legitimate study) will be suppressed. Or spun beyond recognition to support their preconceived notions.
And who will stop psychiatrists with grandiose thoughts who think they will achieve great things via poly-pharma, shocks, and psycho-surgery? That worries many here.
Lobotomies are making a comeback. But they say not to worry because it’s different. They mutilate your brain with lazars now–so that makes it okay.
BTW, people in mental “health” repeatedly called me delusional for pursuing a college degree and trying to start a career though my shrinks assured me my “meds” would make such a thing possible by rendering me independent and productive. I’m pretty sure the psych doctors themselves thought it was baloney but fed it to me to ensure “compliance” and yacht payments.
Does it count as harm to others if controlling family members get embarrassed by eccentricities and have the “loved” one committed instead of setting boundaries like reasonable people (not control freaks) would?
You know one group they really help no one here mentions? Lazy hacks writing for Hollywood and publishing houses.
Without the grossly simplified view of humanity–portraying people as stereotypes and tropes instead of complex individuals–Grade D novelists and screen writers can grind out a bunch of material with minimal effort.
Why did that man murder those children?
Because he was mentally ill.
Yeah. But what was his motivation?
Mental illness.
Why did that woman cheat on her husband?
Mental illness.
Why did that man torture a puppy?
Mental illness.
Why did that character commit suicide? Did something bad happen offstage?
Nope. Mental illness.
Why did he rob a bank?
Mental illness. People don’t rob banks for money after all.
He’s the Conscience of Psychiatry after all. I’m sure every hardened killer views the conscience as his number 1 enemy to destroy. Hence psychiatry’s hatred for Breggin.
My mom takes the idea that I “lost it” through trauma very personally.
She was determined to be the “perfect mother” when I was born and failed. She is not a bad woman and wasn’t abusive till psychiatrists told her I was defective when i was twenty.
But Mom could not protect me from the three times our family faced homelessness thanks to our idealistic, improvident father’s vocation. (A lot like the great Bronson Alcott.)
Mom’s crazy-making efforts to shelter me–my over sensitive, high strung personality worried her–backfired. She kept moving me from school to school to get me the “help” I needed so I wound up in SBD for a year where the teacher got frustrated by how smart I was. They were only equipped to deal with MMR kids.
After 2 months of homelessness in my teens we found a new place and I enrolled in a new school in a new city as a high school sophomore.
Had some highly sexualized bullying which traumatized me more than it would most girls due to my super modest, old fashioned background. Suffered severe anxiety in college which I saw a shrink for. He put me on an SSRI which drove me loopy.
Just one thing led to another and snow balled. I don’t blame Mom. But she does get defensive, saying there has always been “something wrong” with me.
She feels guilt at the idea she played a (minor) role in my suffering by encouraging my “meds compliance.” And she finds it hard to believe experts in pretty white coats and TV drug ads could deceive people.
i love Mom and find her ignorance easier to forgive than the malicious lies told by “well-informed” quacks.
A good counselor should look out for abuse and help victims to escape instead of labeling them “SMI” and having the shrink put them on drugs.
All my counselors worked for “mental health” community centers. Hence their advice was nearly all worthless, based on the assumptions that 1. I needed my crippling, mind altering drugs to survive. 2. My accumulating list of pessimistic, defeatist labels proved how hopeless I was.
These are the only kind Medicaid covers. In theory I’m positive about ethical counselors or coaches who know what they’re doing and how people think. But that kind seldom works for your local mental center. Those who do burn out easily due to frustration at how “clients” never improve.
“Mental health” enables and encourages the abuser in human relationships.
One MI worker confided that few were ever “diagnosed” with “narcissism” or “sociopathy.” Those labels are not legitimate diseases but there are some evil people who don’t care how they hurt others. Psychiatrists almost never call them out.
Shrinks like that kind of people because they dress well and have excellent social skills. “MI” workers and serve as the abusers’ gullible patsies or sometimes willing accomplices. They despise the weak and suffering–loving to grind them into the ground with their heels.
The men who drew up the DSM have no idea how human beings think, feel or behave. You could probably get a better idea of human behaviors from a computer working entirely from algorithms.
Psychiatry’s mission: To afflict the afflicted and comfort the comfortable.
What good is income security when it’s not enough to save you from homelessness? Even in the mid west.
And you can have your benefits revoked at any time through some bureaucratic bean counter’s carelessness.
A very few writers here have. Krista the ex-nurse for example. But it’s far harder than having a cancer diagnosis changed. You can actually prove someone has cancer.
“Schizophrenia” should be viewed as a legal designation rather than a medical one.
Yes, you’re completely irrational. Nothing you say should be taken seriously. You are definitely a danger if left untreated. Your complaints are all proofs of your psychotic lack of insight.
Innately defective yes. Lacking empathy. Potential serial killer without my help. Flawed at your core due to being born a genetic throwback.
All your thoughts and emotions are merely symptoms. Meaningless projections of your broken brain.
1. The “mentally ill” are monsters
2. The “mentally ill” mean yes when they say no
3. Most of the “mentally ill” eventually relax and enjoy their “meds”
4. Normal people don’t get labeled and locked up
5. Psychiatrists are only guilty of minor wrong doing when they lie to and about their ‘consumers”
Psychiatry is bolstered by the cultural view that all psychiatrists are irreproachable gods and all they treat are dangerous AND irrational.
It’s not just the disabling drugs causing the poverty but the discrimination from the labels and demonizing which shrinks actively promote on national TV.
Plus the drugs cause most of the “symptoms” attributed to “mental illness.” Flattened emotional expressions, irritable (common with brain damage), lowered empathy, disorganization.
Along with obesity and seizures–also iatrogenic in origin. It’s hard to “pass” when on these things. I can only now act in socially appropriate ways after spending most of my adulthood on a cocktail.
I feel like some fast talking con swindeled me with a shell and nuts game. A carnie would have been happy with my wallet. But Psychiatry took my being and would have tortured me till I died if permitted. I only put up with it out of fear of a repeat of the psychotic mania created by an SSRI which the quack blamed on ME.
Shrinks cause the amygdala and frontal lobes to shrivel up, then write papers and give lectures on how their “patients” are hopelessly antisocial, stupid and lazy. Genetically inferior defectives fit only to experiment on.
You damaged our brains, “doctors.” Now what’s YOUR excuse for your own moral impairments?
“ACT” or “Assisted Community Treatment” is a euphemism for Pharmacological Torture.
The definition of Pharmacological Torture is the use of drugs–including psychotropic–to punish a person. The aim is to force compliance by causing distress. This can be in the form of pain, anxiety, psychological disturbance (ironic huh?), immobilization, and/or disorientation.
Only with Psychiatry it doesn’t matter how “good” you are in some cases. They’re Hell bent on tormenting people till they die.
Get Big Pharma to mass produce those. And get the marketing/propaganda agents to work.
Publish a bunch of articles on various sites and magazines. “Science Has Shown Therapeutic Value in Straight Jackets!” “Straight Jackets Now Proven Highly Effective for Depression and Anxiety!” “Straight Jackets Valid Modality of Treatment for ADHD!”
Scary!
In America at least our records don’t follow us. Yet.
I’m forced to use Medicaid. But i tell people I’m on disability for IBD. I actually have the diagnosis and see a GI and cancer specialist for it. (Can’t absorb iron and other nutrients.)
Ironically my condition was caused by long term psych drug use–though no one will admit it. My heart is better, no longer pre diabetic, and have lost 50+ pounds and still losing. In my forties. For the first time.
I think dr-reid-piz is a psychiatrist, Steve. Hence his decrying OUR lack of a medical background.
They “diagnose” us by our own admissions and drug us. When we tell them the drugs keep us from sleeping and cause terrifying hallucinations they joyfully tell our loved ones how hopelessly insane we are and that our lives are ruined. (No longer human.) Our fault when the pills cause that reaction.
Once they have damned us by our own words (usually) they make it so our words count for nothing. The only words that are to be taken seriously are those that show insight into our condition.
“Gee Dr. X, you’re so smart. Gee, these new pills make me feel great all the time. Yes I know I have Diagnosis X. It’s a bummer. Glad I have such a kind, smart doctor like you Dr. X.” All taken as proofs of how well we are doing.
Then we go home, depressed but too drugged to cry. Can’t stop suicidal thoughts. Barf our guts up or binge uncontrollably since we can’t feel full and sleep 12 hours in the HUD room we can’t clean. A happy, productive life according to psychiatry.
No other doctors blame patients for reactions to penicillin or anesthetic or pain pills. They immediately take them off.
Shrinks don’t seem to care if their “safe, effective treatments” cause grand mal seizures and heart attacks. Lost two friends that way. 🙁 Not like our lives count.
I know my GP diagnosed me with heart arrhythmia, IBD causing pernicious anemia, and prediabetes. All those real medical conditions are better now. And my weight is going down.
Psychiatry was slowly killing me. If it were anyone but the SMI being harmed this way psychiatrists would be treated like Farid Fata.
No “patient” who knows what’s good for them ever complains about their pills. They never listen to anything we say unless it’s to praise them and their pills making us so dizzy we can’t walk, nauseated, unable to read, doubling our weight.
Psychiatrists for the most part hear what they want and attribute everything else to “lack of insight.”
Says Doc Karadzic went from psychiatry to New Age “quantum medicine.” LOL
Funny how shrinks so often turn to demagoguery too. Psychiatry is more about politics than medicine.
Read 1984. In the part where O’Brien tortures Smith he uses psychiatric jargon. Including “saving you from yourself” and warning him he needs to be made “sane.”
Thank you Robert Whitaker and everyone else at MIA.
Without the support I found here (and also SA which I heard about through this site) I could not have come off my drugs due to the debilitating withdrawals after 25 years of being the “perfect consumer.”
I notice a lot of good counselors–ignorant of how psych “treatments” work–get frustrated at how apathetic and helpless their “SMI” people remain. Not knowing the drugs aren’t supposed to make you independent and productive but childish and docile. Like a house pet rather than a grown up. Or a “mentally handicapped” person who wasn’t that way till Psychiatry had its way with them.
Many of us who sought help got the exact opposite.
Gaslighting is the word. 🙁
“Just like insulin for diabetes.” “Antidepressants wouldn’t drive you psychotic if you weren’t already born defective.” “You’re just imagining or faking those seizures since Haldol never has that effect on anyone.”
If by “capitalism” you mean selfishness and greed, then I am 100% opposed.
But these are attitudes. Not an economic system.
Great religious figures like St. Francis of Assisi, Mother Theresa of Calcutta, just about all Catholic saints, John Wesley, George Mueller, A.W. Toser embraced lives of voluntary poverty. The key word being VOLUNTARY.
Everyone knows this. They need scapegoats badly to project their own darkness onto.
One reason psychiatry is so popular with the mainstream. By blaming all crimes on “mental illness” not only can they make the public feel secure from violent crimes but from the fact that they too have shadows that Dr. Quackenbush is ill equipped to save anyone from. He himself is overpowered by his own shadow.
Sorry about your son. I guess it’s good I never had kids. They would have been taken by the state and viewed as “bipolar” at birth most likely by virtue of being mine. 🙁
Now the kids will be drugged up and detained indefinitely once they get labeled “bipolar” or “schizophrenic” to justify it. It will also excuse inhumane conditions that would not be acceptable for the “normal” in America.
Shrinks get major kickbacks from Big Pharma–often directly but always in the form of “little” gifts tallying up to $2,000-3,000 a year per company of tax free goodies.
No $$$$$$$ in lobotomies nowadays. If the APA changes its tune rest assured Big Pharma invented a fancy machine that does lazar lobotomies and is shelling out mega bucks for anyone morally bankrupt enough to shill them. Lucky for them that psychiatry exists.
Yeah. According to Anatomy of an Epidemic, the psychiatrist who first used a drug to “treat” the “insane” praised it as a chemical lobotomy.
Now that lobotomies are no longer fashionable, but neuroleptics are most psychiatrists would like to forget that quote. Along with words like “drapetomania” and “hysterics.”
Every now and then a shrink comes here to complain that’s he’s not getting enough $$$$$$ from Uncle Sam yet–despite the billions more added to the mental illness regime every year. And they don’t have absolute authority as sovereign monarchs either but must answer to the President of the United States for their actions. 😀
I’m sure these tales of woe must bring tears to the eyes of anyone whose CNS is not too damaged to cry.
Convincing people (and all around them) that they’re broken machines, incapable of rational thought, ethical behavior or responsible decisions can be dehumanizing and lead them to view themselves as mere objects.
Wow!
The authors were Castro, Diniz and Bernandes. Maybe Dr. Obvious was a ghost writer.
But understand “normal” is defined completely in negatives.
If the “loved one” doesn’t say embarrassing things or wear embarrassing clothes–but only those put out for him by his good/kind mommy, never goes places or expresses interest in girls (sure sign of SMI), never reads books or web articles the NAMI mommy disapproves of he is making progress.
By this definition the best progress would be a life long coma. Only he might not technically gain good insight since he can’t parrot back his disorder from his shrink.
NAMI thinks it’s an improvement when someone attending college on honors two weeks before can almost wash dishes–unassisted.
Not being able to smile or weep, speaking in slow, halting sentences, doubling your weight in a year, lifelong unemployment in a HUD ghetto or institution, alienation, sleeping 12 hours a day, seizures and dying before 53 are all “normal” things we should aim for by NAMI standards.
I was very angry when I found out I had been lied to. For years I lived in terror of not getting my “meds” refilled or having them suddenly “stop working” as the NAMI leaders and babysitters at the mental center repeatedly warned us.
Totally dependent on the drugs and all the “sane” people. I knew I was powerless to change my life or make any rational choices. Chalk it up to “good insight.”
They told me the “mentally ill” are helpless and stupid even on their “meds.” But evil when taken off.
You know what’s really evil?
Lying to trick someone into taking addictive, mind altering drugs is pretty darn evil. Worse than anything Walter White ever tried.
I read a post on Pete Earley’s blog where the Not-My-Father-of-the-Year said it was a no big deal lying about it. Apparently all the high ranking NAMI mommies are in on the hoax.
I have nothing good to say about that organization now. Though letting my young friend die from a neuroleptic grand mal seizure should have clued me in.
“The inmates are running the asylums.” And their treatments kill larger numbers of people than the “mentally ill” killers these self-anointed messiahs claim to be saving the world from.
Rosalee, I believe they act that way because they choose to. Unscientific and old fashioned of me I know.
IQ, height, bone size, hair color are hereditary traits. But good and evil are not.
Poor cognitive skills are not the same as greed, violence, or the burning desire to control others. As far as those traits go I guess not-so-bright underdogs can have them too. But they hurt far fewer people than intelligent, highly educated medical experts lacking conscience and compassion.
Most people with low intelligence I know are unusually sweet and kind. Their warm, generous hearts should put the smarties to shame.
Attributing wickedness to weakness and stupidity (aka bad genes) doesn’t cut it. Hitler did not start World War II because of weakness or stupidity.
Weakness is not a crime. But the APA has basically classified it as such.
Yes it would! Money could save me from homelessness.
Homelessness is poor quality life.
SSI does not cover rent. Even in my state. Living in a garage with no running water now.
My sister is allergic to penicillin but no doctor forces her to take it. That’s because she doesn’t deal with shrinks.
My shrinks never listened to anything negative. Just what they wanted to hear. And blamed my crazy, drug-induced thinking on me–or my “illness.”
A life on disability in a ghetto for the SMI is “what works” as far as shrinks are concerned. And dying in our early fifties. Read RW’s Mad in America and Anatomy of an Epidemic as far as viewing the majority of outcomes.
Would you want the rest of us forced to take what was killing us? That’s what this site is about.
Not about forcing happy consumers like you to quit.
Been thinking. We’re little fish being torn up by two sea monsters.
Turn these parties on each other. Here’s how.
See if the Democrats could “compromise” by not demanding gun restrictions on the condition that ALL gun owners be forced to take a battery of a dozen tests for mental illness by a psychiatrist or forfeit the right to bear arms.
Once 50% of the NRA has been labeled this will bite Sen. Cornyn and other politicians promoting RESPONSE in the butt.
I was hoping liberal Torrey or someone similar would try to use his pseudo medical authority to remove Trump. Turning half of America against the APA. But he knew it would tip his hand to how his faux science is just a political weapon.
Persuade Democrat lawmakers who aren’t “in the know” to force these tests. The NRA members–and many others–will soon discover how dangerous psychiatry is to the liberties of ALL Americans.
Anyone consider a big thing behind all these mass killings, besides drugs, is a vicious contempt for human life?
Human lives do not matter in Western Culture.
“Mentally ill” loners gun down or knife the innocent who have done them no harm out of this contempt for their fellow humans. It helps make them feel big and important.
Psychiatrists and demagogues (IS there a difference?) have learned how to express their contempt for humanity in socially acceptable ways.
Like the lone shooters but smarter and successful.
Paranoia of the masses.
Psychic psychiatrists claim they can foretell the future and read minds to weed out criminals BEFORE they break the law and punish them accordingly. The gullible herd is scared of the dangerous “crazies” and Dr. Shrinkenstein offers to save them from the monsters he creates.
“But it’s treatment–not punishment,” Norman Normal argues.
Ask Norm to take a cocktail and he’ll argue “I don’t need it. I’m not sick.’
Diagnose Norm with Agosognosia AND Schizophrenia. 🙂
The drugs are meant to pacify and cripple would-be criminals. (SSRI drugs do a mighty bad job of that.) They are NOT meant to help anyone think clearly, live independently, nor add longevity. Shackles and muzzles–not health is what psychiatry offers.
Crippling and segregation is the work of Psychiatry! Punishing “defectives” for the crime of existence.
These drugs and labels force potential workers out of the work place, forcing us to live off the pittance doled out in smaller and smaller amounts to greater and greater numbers. There is a real lack of HUD. Regular housing is hopelessly expensive on less than $800 a month.
Institutions cost more. Yet Big Brother is intent on increasing the latter.
If PTSD is proof of defective genetics what about veterans who lose a limb or two?
Well if they hadn’t had defective genes then stepping on that land mine wouldn’t have blown off their legs now, would it?
Eugenics is tied to the idea that all crimes–especially bizarre, violent ones–are committed by Criminal Types. The Poor Stock Lovecraft loved to rant about before WWII. Not just POC if you read up on eugenics.
All bad behaviors are hereditary. Hence it’s justifiable to injure/imprison/kill “defective criminal types” innocent of wrong doing.
Psych treatments DO KILL quite often. But as long as the intention was not to kill, it can’t be held against them legally.
Yep. One of those “moderate” articles published to show MIA is not too anti psychiatry and (hopefully) score points with members of the APA and other big shots.
You can find pieces like this all over. Guardian, Psychology Today, etc. College sites too. Talk of “culture” could make it a shoe-in for the psychology department’s website.
And I agree with Szazs that this absolute power corrupted the church and ruined the good it once did.
The founding fathers knew the dangers of a state church just like they did a monarchy. The Church of Psychiatry sneaked in by posing as something else entirely.
This site is supposed to criticize psychiatry. Not condemn religion. But if Dr. K wants to compare psychiatry to religion I agree.
And if a church did what psychiatry does the law would come after them. Kidnapping apostates, locking them in the church basement for pharma torture and other psychological abuse till they recanted (gained “insight.”)
Psychiatry is more dangerous than any cult because they have legal powers no clergy nor doctors have. Accountable to no one–least of all those they claim to serve. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Dr. K the pills don’t “work” in anything permanent. They aren’t supposed to. They make life worse and cause dependency.
They want drug addicts. Pure and simple. Healthy people=no $$$$$$$ for dealers.
I got fed up when They kept telling us how great our lives were when we were poor/segregated/really sick/morbidly obese/miserable.
The more “help” we got the faster we deteriorated.
Neither our quality nor quantity of life were better. When I found out certain psychiatrists like Glasser said the drugs messed up your thinking worse than ever I realized I would have to flee the MI System.
Thanks for this article. I limit my own screen time Dr. Wedge.
Does “autism” exist? Is it bad or simply different?
If the kid can get along with others and learn what’s needed to “adult” why do they need a label?
Whether autism is real or not I would avoid getting my child “diagnosed.” A boy in Tasmania diagnosed as autistic with epilepsy wound up in the hospital for a seizure. A doctor–knowing he was dangerously allergic to neuroleptics–put him on massive doses that caused his brain to swell, killing him. The doctor said she would do the same thing over anyhow since he would have wound up in an institution. He was headed for college.
My guess is a big reason for all the autistic diagnoses is an excuse to sell more drugs. And–I suspect–legally off them (indirectly) like that creepy doctor down under did.
A lot of young people are proud of being called autistic I guess. Beats licking ice cream in Youtube videos for attention. Or eating Tide Pods. And as screen junkies they see limiting a toddler’s screen time as worse than starving or exposing to the elements.
I prefer fitting in and refuse to get an evaluation. Hate being viewed as a freak!
If I can act normally in public and “pass” that’s what counts. The System sucks at integration. Whether labels or pills.
I always acted ‘weird.” My parents took great pains to socialize me by reminding me to look people in the eye and observe other social cues and nuances. (May have led to my social phobias later.)
A friend suggested I get diagnosed with Aspergers to cancel out my Bipolar 2 “diagnosis.” I patiently explained to her that’s not how it works.
High school bullying literally drove me crazy. Wound up in Charter Hospital for Children for 2 weeks. “Too sensitive” I guess.
Funny how victims of bullying are more apt to wind up labeled than bullies themselves. Maybe because shrinks automatically side with the Strong as part of psychiatry’s intrinsic social Darwinism. Weeding out the Unfit who lack proper levels of Gemute.
I thought this site was for criticizing psychiatry. Not religion.
I agree with the premise that psychiatry is a religion/philosophy rather than a science. Dare I say the APA is our new State Church?
As far as KindRegards’s last sentence, even if a grateful consumer believes in psych drugs the “placebo effect” is pretty limited. Personal experience speaking. 🙂
But many religious people do NOT believe God automatically heals those who pray. I have been praying for healing from the harm my stay in the Church of Psychiatry created. Still sickly.
The Bible contains many examples of sick or disabled people–good people–who were not healed.
I think He may be saying, “My grace is sufficient for you.” At least my soul is better. 🙂
Alleviating loneliness is commendable but it’s not the government’s job. Actually what Sanders describes is increasing material goods–money, food, etc.
It still does not deal with isolation or alienation. These depend on community groups such as churches/senior centers, individuals who will visit shut ins, and the willingness of seniors to reach out to others in retirement instead of chilling in front of the tube 15 hours a day.
Psychology is a very soft science if not a branch of the humanities like history or anthropology.
Psychiatry is a pseudo science. Psychology has been poisoned by buying into its unduly pessimistic, brutal view of “defective criminal types.” AKA social Darwinism.
I remember when I started on stelazine (6 mg) I lost my zest for life but could write more. Though the stuff was dryer. Like how Ritalin is supposed to work.
(May have spelled both wrong. Spell check doesn’t like them.)
Back before the 19th century it was understood that love and care could “cure” someone who was out of it. Shakespeare had Cordelia love King Lear back from his madness. Mary Shelley had Victor Frankenstein’s friends nurse him back in Frankenstein as well as Prince’s Adrian’s in The Last Man.
Lucky for shrinks people don’t read much nowadays.
My “psychosis” was caused by the SSRI they had me on. After the drug induced episode they doped me up on 10 mg of Haldol and everyone at college shunned me.
Forced to live with my parents who found my zombie state hard to cope with and Mom took my psych label personally. Total alienation. It’s amazing I “came back” at all.
You COULD make a break for it by crossing state lines. If you really wanted to.
Others have.
If you earn over $9,000 a year writing online you could brush up on your Spanish and migrate to Argentina. I may do that.
No AOT for me right now. But all this talk of imprisoning and torturing (AKA treating) a bunch of us for the crimes of a few murderous individuals scares me.
Ironically, bizarre ideas like Flat Earthism are flourishing. Why? Because people are growing skeptical of the media…including SCIENCE driven sites.
This dogmatism–refusing to even discuss the opposing viewpoint–shows intellectual laziness at best. Lack of evidence at worse.
This is why the anti-vaxxer movement is growing. Not despite–but because of the militant censorship. I’m for vaccines myself (except maybe the flu kind) but the means the medical establishment has taken to silence the voices has backfired. Even some of them are admitting it.
I agree with the anti-vaxxers that the bureaucrats running the medical system do NOT have our best interests at heart. Something a lot of people know or suspect to be true.
Since these safe and effective treatments came out “bipolar” cases have gone up 3,900%.
It seems to this layperson (with no psychiatric career to protect) that nearly all “bipolar” cases are iatrogenic in origin. Stay away from shrinks and you won’t develop the mood swings associated with it.
BTW, the Mental Illness System only seems broken to those who go to it for help. Psychiatry exists to create outcasts who will never be believed. To exonerate those who bully and abuse the scapegoats it appoints, enhancing the self esteem of the “normal.” And–above all–sell as many drugs as possible by whatever means possible and silence those damaged by the drugs.
Do you want to achieve these goals?
1. Become an outcast.
2. Never have anyone believe you.
3. Have the whole world bully you.
4. Spend life caught in an abusive situation where the law always sides with your abuser.
5. Have your human needs automatically ignored and dismissed by everyone.
6. “Volunteer” (more or less) to participate in terrifying experiments which should only exist in horror flicks.
If so be sure to seek out help at the nearest mental center.
I agree that psychiatry has got to go. The system is inherently flawed–because it is built on the faulty foundation of social darwinism and views human beings solely through the lens of biodeterminism.
Perhaps trying to eradicate psychiatry is unrealistic. But not as unrealistic is hoping psychiatrists will willingly forego their absolute authority just to be nice.
As Jimmy Stewart said in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington: The only causes worth fighting for are the lost ones.
Please consider addressing the mainstream, Indigo. They do not have an ax to grind in keeping the MI System intact.
Since more people are experiencing emotional pain now–and pharma-psychiatry’s overwhelming appetite for more “consumers” knows no bounds–psychiatry is effecting us more than ever.
It is everyone’s concern now. Not just a handful of unusual criminals, people who think they’re Napoleon, and catatonics.
Anyone could get psychiatrized. People need to know the truth.
Many of us here refuse to consume. We have suffered enough at the hands of those claiming to want to help us through random iatrogenic damage. All we ask from “mental health” is to be left alone. (Though public exoneration would be nice.)
Leaving your family is not just necessary for you but it provides an opportunity for them to face what’s wrong with themselves. Whether they change and grow is up to them. Out of your hands now.
Torrey has been promoting more institutions. When not touting AOT.
I think he’s talking out both sides of his mouth and hoping no one notices.
There is less HUD now which costs less than institutionalizing people. But thanks to all the scapegoating Torrey and others have built careers on, people want to round up all the “mentally ill” and lock them away to rot.
A lot of people will commit suicide if this happens. And my guess is when the asylums overflow the “doctors” will take a page from Hitler’s finest and kill people through “natural causes” like starvation, exposure to extreme temperatures, refusing insulin for the diabetes their profession already inflicted. Humane isn’t it?
Yeah. Mom thought the Haldol helped me more because it kept me from saying stuff that bugged her. A less potent drug let me talk on and on about how miserable I was I would never have a life. Too numb to turn my mouth off.
I think when PD uses the words “recovery” or “healing” they’re not referring to recovery from pneumonia nor healing a broken leg. More like buzzwords of certain groups they dislike.
I’m grateful to RW for his research and writings. But long before he came along we had MDs like William Glasser, Peter Breggin, and Szazs calling out the quacks.
“Are you a doctor? No? Then you have no business criticizing Toxic Psychiatry.” Say that at a NAMI convention. I dare you. 😀
I thought you weren’t supposed to carry a firearm if you are “mentally ill.”
If you believe Psychiatry is true you should force suicidal cops into desk jobs.
This is not just wrong but stupid. I wonder how many “well-informed” shrinks are behind this. Something tells me they are cringing if they are aware of it.
But maybe this is a calculated move to cause police to go “postal.” More free publicity and more guest spots on TV shows to stir up mass hysteria about how “all them untreated crazies” are a menace but Old Doc Pillshill has the cure for murder if only the tax-payers will fork over the additional $$$$$$$ he feels entitled to.
By “broken system” Doc Pillshill means less buck for his bangs.
“Being Labeled With ‘Common Mental Disorder’ Ensures Loneliness.”
That was MUCH more accurate. Stay as far away from shrinks as possible. They will ruin your life in every way imaginable.
39 out of 40 cases of “Bipolar” would not occur without “help” from pharma-psychiatry. And they always blame the patient for bad reactions. My sister is allergic to penicillin but has never been punished for it.
Shrinks are different though since they write their victims off as crazy, thereby evading accountability to anyone. Psychiatry means never saying you’re sorry.
More people are on drugs than ever. If drugs are so good why are they complaining since 20% of the population is on them?
40 years ago almost none of these drugs existed. And fewer people lived on disability or committed mass shootings.
BTW my drugs never made me feel better. They made me sick and miserable while I willingly took them for 24 years. Not because I enjoyed it! That’s the real reason people go off them. They ruin your ability to think at all. Because the doctors warned me I might kill someone and I was trying to do the right thing. Unlike them.
What do shrinks plan on doing with more tax money? Slicker marketing, and more lavish summer homes and yachts while they force their victims to live on disability in the MI ghettos or locked away in institutions. (Because they created Hell between their ears.)
Homelessness bugs them since they can’t bill the state for empty warehouses and bridges the way they can “homes.”
For what it’s worth I have sought reconciliation with Kimmy and others. My own actions were often far from saintly. None of us knew the drugs were making it hard for me to behave.
As far as protecting the public we already have the penal system. This is understood to be punishment so it’s limited to an acceptable degree. But because psychiatry pretends to be medicine instead of a punitive system they get away with all kinds of BS the legal system never could.
Such as denial of due process. Cruel and unusual punishments. Extended, indefinite imprisonments based solely on the whim of the warden. And treating harmless eccentrics, those with TBI, and unhappy loners exactly the same way as violent criminals.
“Terrorists and paedophiles.” You forgot mass shooters.
Only shrinks claim to be able to discover these people BEFORE they actually commit crimes of rape or murder. Psychic psychiatry. Then they have the right to inflict cruel, unusual punishments on them. Due process?
“Darn it Jim, I’m a doctor. Not a judge and jury!”
I thought the belief that you can read minds or see into the future was a symptom of “severe mental illness” but every good tyrant is above his own laws.
I am depressed. My health is poor from long term drug use. Too sick and old to start over.
And I’m lonely. My past will haunt me forever and the shame of being accused for violent crimes I never committed. (What an SMI label is all about.) So close friendships are impossible.
No “mental illness” required. My life just stinks.
I have the right to be depressed for crying out loud!
So sick I could barely get up today thanks to years on a “cocktail.”
I’m afraid to tell people at my church why I’m sick, broke, and alone since they’ll treat me horribly. I got kicked out of a religious college since the dorm mom blamed me for acting weird and having seizures on 10 mg of Haldol.
“If Rachel were only taking her meds she would be great with a smile on her face, friendly, happy, improved hygiene. And they never, ever cause seizures.” That was Kimmy’s excuse for booting me off campus.
In vain I protested that I was taking them exactly as prescribed. No one believed me. Know why? No one cared as long as they had an excuse to get rid of me.
Recycle plastic, but people can be thrown away since they are biodegradable and make great compost.
Those like Kimmy are more than happy to throw everyone like me under a bus since all they want are pretty, rich couples with kids and their own homes.
They don’t give a damn if “crazies” lose jobs, can’t think straight, lose everyone they love, get horribly sick and die on the streets. Psychiatric nurses and psycho-therapists are rich and respectable and bring money into the church by touting the lie. If they believe it, their ignorance is appalling. Apparently they don’t read any articles from the journals of their profession.
And when people take their very bad advice and go on SSRI Drugs because the family cat died and can’t sleep for 3 weeks/have an “episode” and wind up labeled Bipolar and on a cocktail of 6 drugs, unable to work or interact normally in polite society these same people will warn them to stay away from the nursery, gossip about how crazy they are at lady’s luncheons the “bipolar” is no longer invited to, and calculate how best to freeze her out so she’ll leave. 🙁
Their love is as phony as the science of psychiatry. I call BS on it! 😛
Elizabeth it’s funny how many churches teach the members that psychiatry is the cure for emotional pain and host NAMI in the church basement. One mega church I attended had the nurse and counselor from the local mental illness center get up and preach the Gospel of Psychiatry. How Science has proven we have chemical imbalances in our brains to cause depression etc. and only “meds” can save us.
Why has organized religion sold out to psychiatry? A little online research could show the “chemical imbalance” is a filthy lie, yet they promote this from the pulpits more than Jesus and urge members to see a psychiatrist if they’re sad because their puppy died. I saw this at a megachurch and wanted to puke.
Depression is a feeling, though it may come from anemia or another deficiency or thyroid problems. A symptom of health problems (sometimes.) NOT a disease in itself.
I’d be apt to hire a financial coach with a degree in accounting.
Usually you read their blog/book and decide to hire them based on that. If it’s practical stuff–making a career change, time management, organizing your house, managing your finances–they have little in common with “therapists.”
Health and fitness coaches or weight loss coaches are just personal trainers like you meet at the gym.
The kind most like psychologists are life coaches who specialize in feeling better and relationships. They aren’t directly in cahoots with shrinks but love to refer people they think may be “mentally ill” to community clinics. So that’s risky if you escaped.
The worst kind of all, IMHO, are the dating coaches.
You’re right Anomie. I recommend Peter Breggin’s videos on the “Violence Initiative.” While shrinks are afraid to openly link their eugenics theory to race nowadays they have been taking great pains to target the young men in predomnately non-white neighborhoods. Even tricked members of the NAACP into going along with it. Disgusting.
If by work you mean crime prevention, suicide prevention, helping people feel better, think clearly, live independently, have better relationships, maintain gainful employment, or add to the quantity or quality of life for those “helped”….no they don’t work.
But they do work for achieving the number one (and only real) priority for “Doc” Torrey and his fellow quacks. It gives them something to prescribe to maintain their respectable image of honest-to-gosh Real Doctors.
You say that other stuff is important to you? Pish tosh. You’re a “defective” according to those who ruined your reputation, brain and CNS. What you want doesn’t count as long as ghouls like old “Doc” Torrey can win more awards.
It seems to sciencey types like these that if you can’t scrape off a piece of something and scan it under a microscope it does not exist.
I read some article by monist psychiatric types (are there any other kinds?) mocking the idea that souls are “separate substances” from the brain. (Souls–if they exist–are immaterial. Not SUBSTANCE at all.)
I won’t accuse those guys of a straw man fallacy since they actually seem to think that dualists believe souls are ectoplasmic goo saturating the human brain.
That’s what happens when you get all your philosophy lessons from pop culture. Shrinks owe more to Ghost Busters than they realize. 😀
A lot of people are desperate. Our culture thinks sadness is a disease. Instead of asking, “How can I change my life to end my sadness?” they opt for the easy solution.
My SSRI/SNRI use never ended my depression. Still lonely and hurting physically from the years of damage and social alienation. But I can process my feelings again. That’s something.
So people who were abused as children are more likely to commit violent crimes? Funny how upset folks would get if we suggested punishing survivors of child abuse as though they were violent criminals regardless of their behavior. Yet this is what happens in “mental health.”
Torrey conveniently ignores this since it would draw attention to the fact that his profession exists to punish the weak. Primarily abuse victims.
Psychiatry’s function is penal; not medical. Only they punish for crimes the accused MIGHT COMMIT in the future (according to themselves.)
By treating the law abiding who exhibit signs of emotional trauma as if they’re violent criminals psychiatry punishes the unlucky. Just like the courts of Samuel Butler’s Erewhon.
TAC is the law of the jungle. No justice since they don’t punish for actual crimes–but the mere existence of those they brand “defective.” No mercy either.
If the idea of a life on dialysis saddens you that must be a BRAIN DISEASE. Be sure to seek out help for these bizarre, irrational feelings of sadness proving there’s something wrong with you for feeling bad. 😛 You actually find this crap on med sites.
Remember those drugs tax your endocrine system. The irony!
My SSRI drugs made me feel guilty for not improving.
I believed what I had been told. That I was being helped with these safe and effective medications. Yet I couldn’t find work or get along with people. The constant exhaustion and inability to think straight or process human emotions (which hadn’t existed prior to the cocktail) were all my fault according to my counselor and other folks running the mental illness system.
And before “Doctor” Freeman there were parents and husbands eager to lock up their family members in madhouses. Ensuring that they would never get over the episode and–if not already crazy–would soon become that way.
Thank God my mom was not a “NAMI mommy” and actually wanted me to lead an independent, happy life.
We had one commenter here saying she would never let her beloved daughter read MIA. She censored her reading material. She further stated she didn’t care if her daughter suffered and died prematurely. If she could get the treatment the NAMI mommy wanted her to get the “good” mother would be happy.
It’s easy to see why the daughter had emotional problems with a piece of work like that controlling her every move. That’smother love. 😛
Look up Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. Not all members of NAMI act that way by any means. But getting a spouse or child labeled mentally ill and incapacitated with drugs is so easy to do in our society. And there are a few horrible people, eager to control others and gain attention as the saintly parent/wife/husband of a crazy sicko, who know how to milk the system.
Sadly these eager beavers usually end up running NAMI. Those who sincerely love the members they are told to write off as hopeless are apt to encourage the loved ones to succeed apart from the MI System. And they have lives too.
A friend of mine left NAMI in disappointment after psychiatry killed her sister with lethal “side effects.” NAMI didn’t care since she died with her rights OFF.
Blaming the victim for a “broken brain” and “defective” biology is all psychiatry has to offer.
Once they have discredited you as SMI and drugged you out of your gourd you can look forward to even more outrageous violations from the folks pretending to “help.” And all the so-called normal folk walking around. Sad.
The APA claims, you wouldn’t be overwhelmed by emotional pain if you weren’t a genetically inferior defective to start with. Crushing down the already suffering is what psychiatry is there for. Enabling abusers.
Psychologists exist to enable psychiatry now. For the most part. With a few exceptions they have sold out to the bio-bio-bio model. Why I want nothing to do with any.
Suggesting that it’s possible to take too many drugs would be “pill shaming.” Can’t have that.
Yes suicides and crimes occur. But acknowledging pills were at fault might cause (GASP!) non-compliance. And undermine the credibility of psychiatrists as honest-to-gosh-specialists and Real Doctors. Which would be a tragedy. 😛
The judges haven’t any idea how psychiatry “works” or they wouldn’t allow any of these purveyers of bovine excrement a say in this matter. They probably believe in the “chemical imbalance” thanks to all the propaganda.
No other doctors have this legal authority. Yet we have psychiatrists complaining how “handcuffed” they are and how frightened they are at losing the prestigious legal powers they feel entitled to.
“It’s not easy being a Dark Lord but someone’s got to do it.” Proposed motto for the American Psychiatric Association.
“Deliberate creation and management of a huge underclass!
Psychiatry exists to create scapegoats for society.
They differ from the KKK, neo-Nazis and similar groups in that they create the group to be persecuted. By drugs and labels these mad scientists impose an alienated life of sickness and isolation on their test subjects. They induce insanity with their mind altering drugs and then label the victim as SMI to ensure everyone will hate and reject them forever.
There have been madhouses since before the Industrial Revolution but the people often got better. Now pharma psychiatry ensures no one does.
At least 95% of all the SMI would not have gone nuts if they had avoided those morally bankrupt liars to start with. Modern psychiatry exists to ensure permanent alienation from the rest of humanity and altered mental states/cognitive decline from iatrogenic brain damage.
Isolation, confinement, degradation, urging a sense of futility, and pharmacological manipulation all constitute psychological torture. Used for deliberately breaking those already emotionally healthy and sane.
Yet these are standard treatments which our mental system uses on those already distressed and it claims these methods to be restorative and healing. Somehow. The SMI are not real human beings (according to shrinks) and torture is good for “defectives.”
The phrase is as nonsensical as “mental illness” which is allegedly a brain disease but different (somehow) from physical illnesses according to NAMI and similar groups.
Most just give you advice on finances or finding a job or time management. Less prone to abuse than others since they aren’t involved with “mental health.” Therefore easier to sue if they take advantage of you.
Some are charlatans who prey on the desperate. Dating coaches are the WORST I hear.
I dislike the term “pill shaming.” This is a favorite buzz phrase of psychiatrists more interested in covering their own butts than helping those coming to them for help. (Voluntarily or otherwise.)
How about “shaming people who choose to take pills”?
Anger (expressed in acceptably passive aggressive ways) and disgust for fellow humans. But not even those emotions are “healthy” unless you’re one of the shrinks.
Charles Ponzi and Bernie Madoff went to prison for fooling people.
So did Farid Fata who has a LOT in common with psychiatrists though his specialty was different.
There are already laws against scams.
If I gave someone rat poison to put in his coffee in place of sugar do you think the courts would buy it if I argued, “But he chose to drink the stuff”?
Kitty never chose to share any of her own psychiatric experiences. And as far as my GAS LIGHTING Abena and Serena neither of them are here to speak for themselves.
Well only a biologically defective specimen would get really sad or angry at being abused according to the APA Journal. Thus they rationalize their cruel, pointless experiments on fellow human beings.
Only the strong are worthy of life according to these “doctors” accountable to no one. Least of all their patients. Social Darwinism at its finest.
It’s hard enough to find employment or housing if you have a psychiatric history. This is more than the loss of second amendment rights.
It’s like putting the names of people on a sex offender list though they have never been convicted. Just because someone said they look like one. A gross injustice disguised as medical care.
Abolish involuntary hospitalization AND false advertising and lies–telling patients they have a “chemical imbalance” the “meds” will fix and claiming it’s the defective patient’s fault if the SSRI drugs drive them nuts.
Using a stethoscope to betray patients’ trust makes consent impossible.
I want to abolish psychiatry, but it’s not going to topple all at once.
Too many people believe in it. Those outside believe in the “chemical imbalance” myth.
Those inside rationalize it by saying, “Those people must be innately defective to act weird from grief or trauma or freak out on the mild drug I gave. They’re unfit for polite society and would only be institutionalized without my help.”
RW, for what it’s worth, I want to say “Thank you.”
You owed us nothing. But you have risked your own career as a medical journalist to help people like us. The ultimate underdogs of Western society.
And you have given us this site to visit and support each other. Not to mention your books. Got my dad reading Anatomy of an Epidemic. i doubt i could have escaped the system without MIA.
So thank you once again.
And–if someone calls you a Scientologist on social media–remember to call them out on the Reductio ad Absurdium Fallacy.
In order to forgive someone you have to admit they wronged you.
It’s impossible to forgive those who can do no wrong. So acknowledging the evils of psychiatry as a practice is necessary before we can offer forgiveness.
And unless they can own up to the harm done they cannot receive our forgiveness however willing we are to offer it. But that’s their choice.
Not forgiving and cherishing hatred for your fellow human beings has long been understood as a way to give the devil a foothold in your life. It’s all related.
Ever read The Hiding Place by Corrie ten Boom? A great story of overcoming evil when all seems lost.
11. It offers fast and easy solutions for shutting up people you don’t like. Either literally–through 72 hour holds–or large doses of neuroleptics. Hey, Willy finally shut his pie hole. So we can assume he feels better. Go drool in the corner and leave us alone Willy. Aren’t we humane?
12. Everybody loves a scapegoat to hate. “Symptoms” of “mental illnesses” are extreme behaviors of what everybody does. By branding others innately depraved and beyond redemption they deny they–or their “normal” people can do anything really bad. And it does wonders for the self esteem. If you’re undiagnosed.
I just celebrated my 46th birthday. Sad for your mother Leah. And my own friends who died young from “standard care.” Not suicide either. Side effects.
Off my drugs for 2 years. Can finally keep my room clean, shower regularly and half way through my first written novel. My heart is beating normally, I sleep less than 12 hours a day, and I have lost over 40 pounds. I can enjoy music and the beautiful scenery where I live for the first time since 1992.
No mood swings or thoughts of suicide anymore.
I owe it all to non compliance.
But MIA is one of the few places anyone will hear stories like mine.
(For my part the “antidepressants” caused my psychosis. The massive quantities of Haldol used to help caused seizures and worsened the psychosis causing terror to me and all around me. I got kicked out of school. Still forced to live on SSI thanks to years of iatrogenic damage.)
It’s good these drugs managed to shut off the right parts of the brains in both instances. This is not always the case. It’s troubling they were the only answer for people with a damaged liver and brain, since they only make those physical problems worse.
I wonder if dialysis might have helped Abena. A damaged liver causes the body to fill with toxins. She needed to have these filtered out of her somehow.
As far as the third example the use of pot and emotional trauma may be to blame. Does your friend trust you enough to tell you what’s going on in her head?
Kindred Spirit, you have Lyme Disease. What’s your take on using drugs to calm two already physically disabled people?
Too bad only those drugs work at calming Serene. There is a reason she hates taking them. They cause a peculiar suffering of their own invisible to spectators. And they correct nothing–biologically speaking.
Neurologists might be able to come up with solutions other than destroying what brain tissue she has left. Sadly they have abdicated cases like hers to psychiatrists.
Leah, they don’t care if we die. As long as we die compliant.
My friend didn’t want to die. But her shrink made her take a drug that killed her. 🙁
Two years off the “meds” I realize my heart is beating normally again. I believe doctors knew this was so but feared ramifications if they told me my “meds” were slowly killing me.
Why did patients want MyCite? If they forget pills they want to take there are pill boxes.
So MyCite can monitor heart rate and sleep patterns?
In my imagination I see someone watching a monitor. “Dr. Q, Ms. X hasn’t slept at all in three weeks.”
Dr. Q, “Later. Got an office visit with Bambi. That new pharma rep.”
Monitor “Ms. X’s heart beats are off the charts. Her breathing patterns are erratic.”
Dr. Q, “Let her ride it out. I’ve got a Caribbean cruise to plan.”
Monitor “Ms. X didn’t take her Abilify at all the last twenty-four hours.”
Dr. Q, “Get the police out there immediately!”
Monitor, “Turns out she’s dead.”
Dr. Q. “At least she DIED WITH HER RIGHTS OFF.”
That’s like saying Dr. Fata’s chemo treatments worked. From his perspective they worked fine at making him lots of money.
But a lot of us were told we could live happy, productive lives if we took our “meds.” Even many NAMI parents were fooled. Then when you spend year after year in “day treatment” and still can’t take care of yourself or think straight or watch your 35 year old son forced to live in your basement–so zoned out he can barely make a sandwich or wash dishes unassisted–you ask HOW IS THIS AN IMPROVEMENT?
This is not what we were promised. Not what we signed up for.
So yes it has failed those who needed help. Like Bernie Madoff’s retirement plan.
Psychiatry is NOT help, but exploitation of the sad and lonely.
Psychiatry is anti-help.
Stigma against “mental illness” is pervasive in America and is perpetuated by the American Psychiatric Association.
Why is there an anti-psychiatry movement? Because no other branch of medicine has so little regard for the health, well being, or lives of those it “treats.” No other branch can vote illnesses in and out of existence. No other branch claims powers of mind reading and fortune telling. In short, no other branch of medicine has 0 grounding in known science, 0 cures, and premature deaths of all its patients by 25 years.
All other medical branches have patients instead of “consumers” too. This choice of wording on the part of psychiatrists themselves is significant.
If orthopedists acted like psychiatrists they would amputate legs to cure sprained ankles. Pediatricians would euthanize children with head colds. And dermatologists would amputate noses to cure pimples.
Psychiatry has wasted no time in transforming itself from Cinderella to the Wicked Stepmother. They’re very defensive about their origins. And they take it out on the hapless soul whose only crime was trusting a liar with no empathy or conscience.
I was in a thing called semi-care a couple times. The doors were unlocked during the day. In theory you could leave, but there would be consequences without a psychiatrist’s okay.
So you can be a teetotaler AND an alcoholic? Why not?
I heard you don’t need mood swings to count as “bipolar” now. All you need is depression on occasion and 5 or 6 mix and match traits assigned you at random from a shrink’s laundry list.
And mental illness is different from physical illness but it’s still really a brain disease according to NAMI. So strokes and brain cancer aren’t really physical in nature I guess.
To claim that human beings are pure and innocent creatures incapable of wronging others and only a defective minority murders because of bad genetics is ridiculous. It shows a true lack of insight into humanity as a whole.
These shooters are lonely young men living in isolation. Usually on psych drugs.
Yet the solution offered is only larger numbers of people locked up or at least isolated and disabled through drugs. Unable to work or maintain human relationships, these lonely people will sit brooding at home all day, like young Raskolnikov–Dostoyevsky’s protagonist in Crime and Punishment.
Finally Raskolnikov murdered the pawn broker. Yet take heart gun control activists. At least he did not obtain a fire arm, but used an axe instead.
If it makes you feel better Krista the massive damage in psychiatry’s wake is restoring your credibility.
Many KNOW you are telling the truth but feign skepticism or disbelief. Afraid of betraying the Brotherhood I guess. This going along with whatever psychiatrists say though they know it’s harming people and not helping will kill Western Medicine.
All the evil “doctors” need is for the good doctors to do nothing.
Have you heard of Farid Fata the cancer doctor who deliberately misdiagnosed healthy people with leukemia to sell endless rounds of chemo? Killing some and crippling others? Other doctors knew. But it took a long time till one finally blew the whistle.
Scary how morally bankrupt the medical profession is now.
I’m not saying the pre Pharma kind was better Oldhead. But surely you agree the newer model is more dangerous and has done more harm.
People used to look at psychiatry with skepticism. They laughed at the bearded old man asking you for graphic dream descriptions. (Preferably dreams of nudity.)
Then in the early nineties it all changed. They told us scientists had discovered why people acted weird and felt prolonged emotional pain. AND luckily they now had magic bullets to fix your brain. “Just like insulin for diabetes.”
The “chemical imbalance” legend is believed by nearly everyone I meet offline. A lie impossible to disprove because people prefer sound bites and TV medical/police procedural dramas to wading through hundreds of articles and dozens of books like I did.
Honestly Bcharris I think psychiatrists don’t WANT to find biomarkers for the “illnesses” they presuppose. If they did they might find the methods used have been worsening the damage As Whitaker pointed out psychiatry would become obsolete since the neurologists would take over. Doctors who specialize in the brain rather than the imagination.
I remember a part of Animal Farm where the pigs ask for the other animals to labor 7 days a week to rebuild the windmill. The labor will be completely voluntary. But if you don’t volunteer your rations will be cut.
Segregation in the HUD ghetto is the exact opposite of fitting in!
More like whittling at a square peg till its a tiny splinter that won’t fit into anything at all and is completely useless and unwanted so they toss it out with the trash.
Putting blue dye into brown eyes only blinds them. It does not change the color.
Like many survivors I’m frequently housebound from iatrogenic damage. And the draconian laws in America make it unwise to “come out” as a psychiatric survivor.
I have my plans. But I prefer not to discuss them here.
I differ from you Ekaterina in that I don’t consider myself mad anymore. It never was a lifelong condition–with a few exceptions–till psychiatry came along.
Read hagiographies like that of Francis of Assisi. Or King Lear. Or MacBeth where Lady MacBeth was not born mad but experienced extreme guilt. Or the novel The Last Man by Mary Shelley where a main character “loses” it but is nursed back to health by his loving friends (bad diet) and is recognized as sane enough to be elected to Parliament.
Psychiatry ensured these bizarre emotional states would become lifelong. First by locking people away in a hostile environment. Later by the drugs they punish you for having a bad reaction to.
Very astute of Dr, Plomin to skirt the issues of differences between male and female chromosomes. It looks as though he evades the issue of possible racial differences altogether.
Something left out of this nature/nurture debate is how our choices shape our personality as we grow and age.
So you haven’t heard of Tim Murphy, Fuller Torrey, or countless others who have written articles and gone on national television demonizing the “severely mentally ill”?
Many who willingly take psych pills are upset about being called killers. But maybe it’s different over the pond.
Steve, since coming off my Effexor I get along better with all around me. It killed my ability to feel for others.
Now I find it easier to not envy those with better lives than mine. And it’s not just fear or will power preventing my suicide.
I want to live again.
All along I took the drugs out of obligation to those around me. If it had only been my life at stake I would have gone off them. But I feared hurting others if “untreated.” Pretty ironic.
Why indeed–assuming our brains were deformed–would they subject it to drugs that damage already healthy brains? Some use the chemotherapy analogy. But you have to prove the cancer exists first and it’s acknowledged to be a desperate remedy not to be performed indefinitely over 20-30 years.
However, this makes sense when you realize psychiatry is not about saving lives, healing brains nor helping people lead higher quality lives.
It’s really about segregating and crippling the “unfit.” Barring us from participating in the marketplace–which is linked to eugenics according to an article I read. And preventing us from reproducing since the drugs render us grotesque to behold and often cause impotence/frigidity.
They pretend their victims are dangerous in order to justify crippling them. Not about health or independence/ but creating docility, helplessness, and stupidity. Psychiatry’s real function.
The “severely mentally ill” are supposed to be subhuman and dangerous. So it’s okay to perform cruel, pointless experiments since they say our brains are already broken and we’re only fit for institutions anyhow. (According to Jaffe in a Youtube video I saw.)
In the sight of God those like him may be far less worthy of life than the “defectives” whom they judge fit only to be crippled or killed and tossed into the dust heap. 🙁
Normal people explain depression as the natural expression of depressing experiences.
Or they did before shrinks and Big Pharma poisoned our thinking with ads everywhere saying the slightest uncomfortable emotion is a disease required massive amounts of emotional pain killers.
Pushing the negative does indeed have the opposite consequence.
The “mentally ill” have already been identified as dangerous by men claiming to be experts on millions they have never even met.
I prefer “Innocent until proven guilty” myself. And I don’t call myself “mentally ill.
According to Expert Shrinks “bipolar” and “schizophrenic” are synonymous with violent murderous monster. Why identify as “violent murderous monster”? That’s Torrey’s slanderous accusation. He doesn’t know any of us from Adam.
And funny how no one asks shrinks to prove they are not dangerous.
I am also a Christian. A lot of sincere, well meaning people at church are being lied to and encouraging members to be harmed.
Visited a large church with a friend one Sunday and two prominent members got up to tell us “the truth” about the “brain disease.” One a nurse and the other a therapist at the local mental center.
Sorrow, happiness, fear and anger could be called labels or categories. Words to describe these things have been around as long as humanity.
What psychiatry–wrongly–does is try to quantify the unquantifiable. Like trying to put love under a microscope. Or assign numerical values to the Seven Deadly Sins in order to use them in mathematical equations.
I thoroughly believed my drug induced episode was proof of my hereditary brain disease. Doctors don’t lie and medicines are only helpful I had been taught as a kid.
The anafranil was terrifying. I was so scared of experiencing it that I did whatever the quacks told me afraid it would happen again. It did. Repeatedly. They told me it was all my brain disease at fault. NOT the medications.
I went back since I knew hallucinations/etc. weren’t normal. But I lacked insight into the moral bankruptcy of the gas lighting dealers who call themselves doctors.
I have more faith in the word of a used car salesman or a carnival barker than a psychiatrist.
Why almost no one in “mental health” can read a book, hold down a job, or have a relationship.
And some guy called “Alexander” on the site yells at the doctor with ye olde “just like insulin for diabetes” propaganda.
I was afraid of leaving too much personal info or I would have responded that:
A. Psych drugs correct nothing. At best they’re emotional pain killers.
B. According to shrinks these drugs are harmless and have no effect on anyone “normal.” So this proves that’s a lie too.
No one listens anyhow. Reading a short article from the APA Journal is too hard I guess. SMH. Hopeless trying to reason with the public.
Yes. Psychiatry is great at making you question your own sanity.
Feeding you drugs to cause bizarre sensations and claiming “they never have that effect.” Either you’re lying or crazy.
Telling your family you obviously are lying about taking your “meds” since if you were “compliant” all your problems would magically vanish. All the time you take them religiously though they make you feel horrible.
And the shrink blames your cognitive problems, sleeping too much, mood swings, annoying habits you’re too stupified to control on you. Either you’re 1. Lying about your “meds.” 2. Faking the seizures, dizziness, etc. since the “meds NEVER do that.” 3. It’s just your inherint defectiveness showing through. Requiring more pun–uh–treatments in the form of doubling the drugs making you sick and imprisonment.
Came to a point I started lying all the time–since I couldn’t tell what was real anymore. And no one believed me anyhow. Psychiatry=insanity. It exists to gain life long guinea pigs to exploit. To gas light and drive people insane.
Shrink: You know if you weren’t totally insane you wouldn’t be coming to me for help.
Me: Took the words out of my mouth Doc.
1. It’s perceived as a emotional state. Not an inherited moral inferiority.
2. Classical writers saw it as temporary.
3. It lacks the pseudo scientific pretensions of modern psychiatry.
Many of us are life long cripples and we owe it all to the quackery of psychiatry. Like severing someone’s spinal cord to cure restless leg syndrome. 🙁
The “lunatics” back in 1930’s Germany and Austria were much fewer in number. We owe the vast expansion of the disabled “mentally ill” to Pharma-psychiatry chicanery and their unsafe, ineffective treatments. (Unless you mean effective at crippling and killing.)
Thanks to the vast numbers of people like us they have deceived and the internet they don’t fully own like TV or radio more of us are discovering the truth.
So the bio-medical model increases self blame and stigma. Ironic, since according to NAMI and all those other groups it’s supposed to do the reverse.
I found rejecting the bio-medical explanation empowering. As soon as I read William Glasser’s book Warning: Psychiatry can be Hazardous… I felt a sense of hope and joy I never had before. And I quit hating myself. I could change my life after all! 🙂
Depression also can be a symptom of anemia, low thyroid levels, and digestive problems. None of these need psychiatry. Especially the last which the “go to cure” of quackery will only make ten fold worse.
I know a woman with stomach problems who had so much trouble eating she got weak and lay in bed. Her doctor told her it was all a chemical imbalance in her brain and put her on an SSRI which messes the stomach up even more. Filthy liar. Or incompetent idiot at best. Some really are that “uninformed” to use Pies’s term.
Bippyone I would not advise you or your loved ones to just quit taking your pills cold turkey. Especially SSRI drugs or benzoes. Took me over a year to get off Effexor.
I can think more clearly and socialize with ease I never possessed before as an adult. But I still developed a couple autoimmune disorders that may clear up in another year or two.
Oldhead, yes abuse in the form of “asylums” has been around since the 18th century.
But thanks to it’s associations with the AMA psychiatry has been able to deceive many more people since the 1980’s. Far greater numbers suffer under it.
And, before psychiatry “proved” that “mental illness” was a life sentence and poor life choices young people made meant they should be written off as hopeless has not improved things. If you read Shakespeare or Mary Shelley you’ll see that the “mad” got better all the time.
It may not be more cruel, but it is far more dangerous. A kitten may be as angry as a tiger but it can’t inflict the damage a tiger can.
Well OH, I think if someone is in psychiatric “treatment” and goes on a killing spree his shrink should be held accountable for the murders. Just like Timothy McVeigh’s accomplice.
Right now shrinks always pretend these killers weren’t “being helped” when they know they actually were. Putting them on trial would draw attention to how worthless said “treatments” are at crime prevention.
Absolute power and zero responsibility. No other medical profession has legal authority. Especially the kind that can overrule a judge’s.
Violent people are more prone to strokes I believe.
Treat all stroke victims worse than convicted felons. (Being facetious.)
Actually a stroke is a proven brain disorder. Maybe it should be re-classified as a “mental illness.” Proving how stupid the term is.
“All mental illnesses are really brain diseases.”
“What if we treated physical illnesses like mental illnesses?”
I thought the brain was a physical organ.
My cocktail was causing my mood swings till my body wore down after more than 20 years on the stuff.
I have had some troubling experiences with being forced into mindlessness meditation. For two hour sessions every week. Almost drove me nuts. Everyone else fell asleep or didn’t care.
If you like and benefit from voluntary mindfulness meditation that’s fine. I was forced to do it and hated it.
In Brave New World the elite stayed in power by use of the carrot. In 1984 it was the stick.
In our world the “soft diagnoses” and “normals” live in Huxley’s future and may enjoy “soma.” But fall out of line, be unlucky, or get sick from the “soma” and you’ll find you’re in 1984 and Big Brother owns you.
The scene where O’Brien “cures” Smith of his “insanity” by shocking him into thinking as told is SO psychiatric.
Like how they force the “non compliants” into the “insight” of the Chemical Imbalance lie they know is not true. It’s not about curing delusions to trick someone into believing a lie nor about restoring cognitive function through 3-6 brain drugs. It’s about power and being someone else’s god.
Some of the behaviors associated with “severe mental illnesses” are wrong.
Maybe just say the behavior is wrong instead of labeling the person as irredeemably “mentally ill” which is just a moral judgment disguised as a scientific pronouncement.
Friend,do you want to wind up homeless or institutionalized, friendless and broke? Do you want to suffer dozens of bizarre health problems, gain over 100 pounds and die before your mid fifties? Do you want to be socially isolated or segregated in a setting reminiscent of Kindergarten no one ever outgrows?
Be sure to call Dr. Bernie S. Gas at 555-555-5555. As a licensed psychiatrist with decades of experience in putting people on various medications and diagnosing them with terms that would be an insult coming from anyone but a real doctor I have just what you need to achieve these goals.
Call Dr. Gas MD at 555-5555. Don’t let stigma scare you away from the life that I deserve.
I will. Finding a way to earn a livelihood comes first since publicly sharing my story will likely cause me to lose SSI.
Having my label would be nice–if possible–since it would restore my legal rights. Once you are “diagnosed” something like “schizophrenic” or “bipolar” you’re no longer a citizen and can have your rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness stripped from you at ANY time based on the word of some guy in a lab coat who doesn’t know you from Adam.
I knew better than to ask my shrink for my freedom, nice as she was as a person.
I used to struggle with the concept of “mental illness” when I believed it. Here’s why.
There are real brain diseases. Traumatic brain injury, dementia, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, tumors, etc. These cause problems thinking and/or physical problems since the brain controls bodily functions.
But take someone like Ted Bundie. He was clever and resourceful at the crimes he committed. Not cognitive problems but moral.
Many shrinks say he must have been “bipolar” just like your eccentric, sweet Aunt Betty, or your mom who happened to have a really bad SSRI reaction that almost killed her thereby “unmasking” her “disease” (Can’t pill shame so it must be her fault.) According to many shrinks these law abiding women are exactly like the notorious serial killer and deserve to be treated like criminals.
There is also the etymological trouble in the oxymoron “mental illness” itself….
Precisely. Demonizing the “SMI” is great PR for psychiatry in keeping its “customer base”, but it backfires since it helps them keep their “life long consumer” stable but make us hard to replace when our painful, stunted lives are tragically cut short.
Psychiatry is NOT about helping those they label to lead productive, high quality lives. It’s about crippling those they view as threats somehow. The “help” offered is on par with how JFK’s embarrassing sister was “helped” by a doctor damaging her brain till she couldn’t walk or talk again. 🙁
Actually getting drunk at a bar every night and sharing your pain with fellow barflies is at least as successful in coping with life as going to a mental illness center.
Look at things like gainful employment and ability to hold relationships together at people who go to those centers. As someone who would never have taken mind altering drugs willingly I’m angry at being lied too. Many of us here are.
Over and over I was told, “Your only hope for a productive life–a job and good relationships is to accept you’re hopelessly evil (SMI means this) and take your meds.”
Getting along better with my family since my conscience and empathy are awake once more. And rejecting my label helped alter behaviors associated with that. My parents are amazed. Dad is angry too and sad I was swindled out of years of life and am forced to live in extreme poverty since the drugs and label prevented gainful employment.
I find solace in music, poetry, the beautiful scenery, friendships (now that I can get along with others), and my faith.
Sadly my system is really messed up after 25 years on drugs. Heart problems and 2 autoimmune diseases started before I came off. Benign side effects of my “treatments” I guess. Lol.
They preyed upon my fear of madness for 20 years after I went nuts on Anafranil and they blamed me for it. Like those slick carny style medicine men in the 19th century.
Judging from your narrative alone you sound normal in that you’re reasonably angry at being treated in a shameful fashion like a criminal when you have done nothing wrong. The only thing they were punishing you for was being put in harm’s way by your shrink.
So they handcuffed you and locked you up for the crime of BEING POISONED by your alleged doctor.
Psychiatry is insanity.
Drugs never helped me either. Voices like yours deserve to be heard. You’re not alone.
I won’t say ALL shrinks conspire with abusive partners and parents to gas light those they abuse. Often, though, shrinks don’t ask any questions about current living situations. Just ask how you feel. They can “diagnose” you in less than 15 minutes and never talk to you for more than 10 minutes afterwards. Gives them just enough time to write more prescriptions.
If you don’t feel great or annoy others by “odd” behaviors–even if they lie about it–the shrink assumes it must be a brain problem. Since they automatically assume all emotional pain or quirkiness is proof of a brain disease.
Got a broken leg? Here’s a sledge hammer. It will fix it. A sledge hammer is their only tool, so by golly they’ve got to use it. How else can they bill your insurance? 😀
Unwittingly though it usually is, they enable abusers. The snappy dressers with proper grooming who smile nicely, have firm handshakes, and know how to charm the socks off everybody. A great looking front is proof of sound “mental health” as far as psychiatrists are concerned. 0 insight into how human beings think or feel or what motivates their fellow human beings.
Bullies are healthy, well adjusted members in this society so they don’t need “mental treatments.” Just “diagnose” those they bully as “schizophrenic” and “bipolar” in order to drug and lock them away.
We human beings are very good at deceiving ourselves, when ignoring certain problems has immediate pay offs for us. Especially when others sustain all the damage from these problems.
Read “The Banality of Evil.” Evil is not inherently sexy, spectacular or mind blowing. Most people behind atrocities are not sadists with maniacal laughs but calm, methodical people who just don’t care.
They willingly serve as little cogs in the Big Machine instead of becoming monkey wrenches to stop It. Understandable since the monkey wrench will be bent out of shape and the little cog can work safely. Until the machine stops.
A make believe land where they treat the criminals kindly–as though they suffered sickness–and punished the people with real health problems and also the poor and grieving like criminals. It was written over a hundred years ago so Butler wasn’t trying to depict our current “mental system” but it’s really weird how it resembles psychiatry’s role of absolving violent criminals (sort of) by punishing the innocent who suffer.
Butler meant it as a critique of Social Darwinism as I recall.
Someone Else this is attributable to the “pay per click” system of online journalism. Sensational headlines get more clicks. Conservative sites also are guilty of this.
To them all people are machines. All belief in the supernatural is a symptom of defective machinery.
Self-styled Christians go along with this because they have no compassion for the “SMI” so they just don’t care if we die. And they think they’re normal so it’s not their problem and not worth researching.
“If you did it not for the least of these you did it not for Me.” 🙁
A lot of democrats own those places too. The chapter of NAMI I once belonged to was full of democrats
Every mental center I went to told us to vote democrat so we could be taken care of. Great trick for harvesting votes.
And a bunch of prominent shrinks wanted to “diagnose” Trump. Which is ironic.
Torrey opposed it. Probably he knew this would tip the hand to the public how much power the APA has with 0 accountability. Least of all to their patient/victims.
Both sides are over eager to throw us under the bus since abusing us looks like compassion to the outsider.
Great idea MM. Along with banning involuntary treatments.
People get all their “science” off commercials now. Too lazy to read articles from the APA Journal for crying out loud.
Even if they’re not drugged out of their gourds people believe everything on TV or in drug brochures now. Scary how unapologetically stupid everyone is. SMH
Coming off my Effexor ended my desire to commit suicide. I actually care about things again.
And leaving psychiatry has helped reaffirm the faith of my childhood which I could never reconcile with the a priori assumption of materialism bio-psychiatry is built upon.
Actually as a kid, I had adults telling me to stuff my anger because Real Girls were always sweet and passive and might weep softly on occasion (like Cinderella) but never got angry. Nearly all were women as I recall.
My mom, my grandma, teachers, family friends. “Nice girls don’t get angry.”
7. Pharma has been tied to psychiatry in unholy matrimony and using their lies about a “chemical imbalance” to prescribe drugs to create all the symptoms of “mental illness” in hitherto normal, sane individuals.
Note how we don’t hold all members of other groups accountable of the crimes of individuals? But when people blame all the “SMI” for the crimes of an individual that’s supposed to be compassion as opposed to discrimination.
We need to judge people on the content of character. NOT on the word of some character who calls himself a doctor and slanders millions he never even met.
Like that Russian short story where the shrink comes to town and locks up everybody. Finally he decides he must be insane too. (Unlike most shrinks thinking Everyone But Me.)
Kind of like that episode of The Andy Griffith Show where Barney Fife puts every citizen in Maybury in jail.
The Donald is known for proposing impractical solutions.
Good luck rounding up 20-25% of the population to imprison them and pay the required jailers/security guards at tax payer expense. (The remaining tax payers.)
He ran primarily on the economic platform. Long term institutionalization is actually costlier than the semi-institutionalized HUD form where round-the-clock “care givers” are not required. My guess is Torrey wants a vast expansion of the latter instead.
Imprisoning large numbers of law abiding citizens without due process will also alienate many Republicans I know who believe in psychiatry’s bogus cures but draw the line at having friends and family locked up. My own family will leave the GOP if this happens. Turn Libertarian perhaps.
The big problem is these mass shooters nearly all get their guns illegally. There are any number of Red Flag laws no one is bothering to enforce. (My dad has to go through a LOT of red tape to buy a squirrel rifle despite no mental label or legal record.)
Buckling down on enforcing laws that already exist to prevent illegal gun sales is the obvious solution both parties should be able to work together on. But it doesn’t sound as “sexy” as passing new laws no one will bother enforcing and showing faux compassion for the “mentally ill” bogey men who need to be crippled and imprisoned “for their own good.”
Take comfort in the ineptitude of our bloated, bureaucratic machine. Like a 10 foot insect it’s pretty scary to look at but the size of its massive exoskeleton makes it hard to chase people. 🙂
“Recovery” has so many different meanings attached. Many anti-psychiatry people oppose it.
On the other hand militant pro-psych people oppose the idea too. Such as our “mental health” czar who also complained SAHMSA is too soft on the psychiatrized.
I went to a “Mental Illness” Center for many years. Repeatedly they told us we would be “depressed” forever and would never recover from our “illnesses” that were created by the alleged “treatments” they warned us never to quit taking or our heads would explode or a comet would collide with earth or something.
“1,000,000 untreated mentally ill people are running around.” Where did Torrey get this number? Is he going to archives or names listed on computer records somewhere and tallying up everyone who disappeared without a record of dying? (A pretty Orwellian scenario in itself.)
Or does he just know somehow in that magical clairvoyant way those Real Scientists have that 1,000,000 people are in need of being “diagnosed” and “treated”?
He also knows that 500,000 fewer murders will occur if he has his way. How can you provide numbers for things that never happen? Is he traveling through the Multiverse in his spare time?
In order to win presidential nominations you must be arrogant and loud.
America can’t handle thoughtful, discerning candidates who only speak when they have something sensible to say. No way Coolidge or Lincoln would be considered now.
Psychiatry generates its own astounding form of isolation in the form of disabling drugs and psycho surgeries and labels to tell communities who to shun and segregate. 🙁
And the fact that the government not only allows but helps maintain psychiatric tyranny over vast swaths of the population–forcing them into extreme poverty, alienation, and premature death–is troubling.
You acknowledge drugs are not long term solutions. I agree and applaud this statement. But psychiatry does not. They are the sole tool “mental health” centers say is absolutely essential. All other services are disposable. But life long drugging–the more the better–is essential according to all community centers I have attended.
Maybe you live where counseling is not subordinate to druggings and is not just telling you repeatedly how hopelessly sick and crazy you are and don’t forget your “meds.” I speak solely from what I see and have experienced in my state and communities.
I agree when people say we don’t need a “replacement for psychiatry” because psychiatry has itself replaced everything I enjoyed when seen as a human being and not an SSI. It has replaced my hope of a career with $780 a month to serve as a lab rat. It replaced my friends with therapists and my hopes for a family with casual acquaintances passing through “day treatment” like me.
After my Haldol induced seizures and odd behaviors due to grief I couldn’t process and label of SMI caused everyone to turn on me I first thought of suicide. Now that I’m free I can mourn, enjoy friendships again, can write and learn marketable skills. Guess what? No longer suicidal.
Hope and love cured me. 2 things not to be found anywhere near any psych center I have been in.
Only if the SBC subordinates itself to Psychiatry and implements its “SCIENCE” into church doctrine. But considering how everyone at a Southern Baptist church I attended mindlessly swallowed anything psychiatrists put out (pun intended) I can see it happen.
Very disheartening. A few individuals from churches have offered me emotional support. But no church body I attended has ever taken a stand against this pseudo science that destroys lives.
Yep. Even websites offering counseling to those who lost family members urge people to consider “medication. Grief is a disease! So is fleeing an abuser, extreme poverty, or any emotional pain or discomfort.
Much of it is well meaning ignorance thanks to the propaganda put out by slimy pharma-psychiatry merchants. Everybody believes them because TV commercials never lie. *Eye roll.*
Part of the overwhelming success of these drugs is the also due to 0 tolerance for pain in our culture. People think if they aren’t ecstatically HAPPY 100% of the time something is wrong with them. Many love the “diagnosis” of depressive disorder because of it. “Please excuse Janie for not smiling and laughing all the time today. She can’t help being sad. It’s because she has an honest-to-goodness brain disease.”
Why do we need written notes from a doctor to excuse feeling down in the dumps? Oh yes. Because everyone around us is self absorbed and tears of grief annoy them and prevent them from enjoying themselves.
🙁 And telling someone “Shut up and take your meds. And kindly go rot in a corner somewhere you won’t bug us” shows you care and you don’t have to do squat to help them afterward. “Mental health experts” are there for that after all.
A big challenge we face is most people view these damaging drugs as “safe” and “healing” and firmly believe they correct brain abnormalities and save the lives of all who take them.
That is a BIG problem. Even those who wish the “mentally ill” well think they’re saving the lives of the “SMI” with AOT. Not to mention other lives if they go on killing sprees.
I managed to convince my family with carefully chosen arguments and an article by Dr. Pies from the APA Journal. That is a damning piece of evidence. It convinces many–if they aren’t too busy to read it.
In a society where the heart was viewed as the center of the soul maybe we would have shrinks figuring out ways to cause heart damage to “save” their patients from themselves.
It’s really no dumber than what they do to healthy brains. (Assuming they aren’t healthy, you still need to know the problem before randomly damaging healthy tissue. Neuro surgeons want to make sure they know where the tumor is located–not to mention knowing whether or not one exists.) 😛
“Welfare does not exist for the needs of the poor, it exists to put the poor through ritual humiliations….”
TRUTH!
And through crippling and ostracizing all those the shrinks have branded hopelessly insane, “mental health” ensures their victims will live in shame and poverty forever!
As Bcharris says up above, murdering a bunch of people is not caused by a cognitive defect but a moral one. I know a lot of people with low IQs but far higher morals than geniuses with multiple graduate degrees.
I have always had a philosophical issue with the concept of “mental illness” because many of the “symptoms” are simply acting like a jerk. So, it’s not stupidity–associated with real brain disorders–they’re referring to.
It really seems to boost the egos of the “Normals” though.
I noticed–when drinking psychiatry’s kool-aid that most trolls on sites to support the “mentally ill” were pretty proud of how “normal” they were. Lol.
I had my first break down at 14 when an older woman who had befriended me betrayed my family and caused us to be homeless for a summer.
She was the wife of a prominent elder at church. Dad was the preacher. She manipulated her husband into forcing him to resign with no place to go.
Psychiatry=Rejection. That’s all I got from it. Worse than Dr. Frankenstein since they take sweet, gentle people who were normal to begin with and transform them into monsters so they can play the Hero by blaming those they have already tortured and maimed. 🙁
Psychiatry caused humanity as a whole to reject me. I curse the day I ever sought help from the quack who called himself a “soul doctor.” All he gave me were mind altering drugs to destroy my body and a label to make everyone turn on me, finishing the destruction of my soul.
No mercy. No justice. Just drugs and lies, lies, lies…
And once “mental health” has its claws in you any community support you had before is terminated.
I had a dorm mom tell my friends at college not to talk to me. Only “mental health experts” were qualified to do so. It was dangerous for anyone else.
Horrible to have your nearest and dearest turn on you because some quack tells them you’re hopelessly insane. And urges them to make sure you keep taking drugs to make you act insane. “And if she has any problems she is lying about taking her ‘meds’ like They all do or she’s faking the seizures and pacing.” 🙁
Finally vindicated after 25 years thank God. At least my father finally believes me. He knows I’m not a monster after all.
In some cases for unusually cruel murders they’ll “diagnose” the person after the crime is committed.
I remember a TV interview.
Interviewer: So Dr. X, why did that mother drown her preschoolers?
Shrink: Because she is bipolar.
Interviewer: How do you know she is bipolar?
Shrink: Because only a bipolar could do such a thing.
This says nothing about her motives. She was a profoundly selfish, unloving woman who wanted a fresh start on life and new boyfriend. Her children got in the way.
But the obvious explanation doesn’t sound scientific enough. Plus it scares people since we all are guilty of selfishness from time to time or neglecting those who need us.
By claiming only a special category of people called the “mentally ill” are capable of such actions and special scientists can weed out these Others from polite society it produces a sense of security for those not accused of being born evil. And it must boost their egos too.
“I thank Gawd I ain’t a lunatic.” (Dialogue from a Flannery O’Connor short story “Revelation.” The woman saying it is at the bottom of the Social Ladder.)
And–according to psychiatry’s narrative the “severely mentally ill” have been around forever. Their “safe and effective medications” were–for the most part–non-existent till recently.
Yet though these magical snake oil elixirs are everywhere now and the “SMI” have always been around (according to shrinks) mass shootings occur more than back in the 80’s. Amazing how no one asks these head honcho shrinks WHY this is.
There is stuff to laugh at and educate us online. Without the internet I would still be in bondage to “mental health.” A lot of shrinks hate public access to the internet for this reason.
One said the internet caused “agosognosia.” Then he had to backtrack and dance around since devout eugenicist that he was he firmly believed only “biological defectives go crazy” and reading something online can’t alter DNA.
The internet has brought to light a lot of ugly truths the psychiatrists longed to keep hidden. More and more are finding out now that that Artful “Science” is based entirely on a lie dreamed up by ad marketers. And its “treatments” nothing but random acts of brain damage.
Plus more gruesome publicized murders means more power and authority for the members of the APA. Probably rubbing hands with glee every time a shooting occurs like Tim Murphy the Merciless did and using it to sell themselves as saviors of humanity.
I’m sure Torrey doesn’t want these to end. No crime sprees means no reason to demand his victims be handed over for cruel, pointless experiments.
“So what if all my test subjects and a few hundred other people die in the process? As long as I get the glory and honor I deserve as a legitimate Scientist. Real SCIENCE folks!”
Know something all mass shooters have in common? They are very, very angry.
We all get angry. But we–as a society–used to control our anger better and realized murder was unacceptable.
Sadly SSRI drugs lower empathy and many atypical neuroleptics such as abilify harm the brain centers linked to impulse control. Empathy and self control are essential for preventing murder.
No drug can stimulate the conscience or help us love our fellow human beings.
One solution would be taking someone seriously when he posts threats on social media about killing people. A lot of the killers crave notoriety and have done this.
My sister has a really bad reaction to penicillin, but no one punished her for that. Probably because real doctors prescribe it.
Psychiatry refuses to admit their drugs ever hurt anyone. They are above the law. Better to brand everyone they make deathly sick as hopelessly insane and punish them by tripling the drugs. And upping the dose of the drug that drove them bonkers. That’ll learn ’em.
Randall, there is a lot of irrational violence. But anger, like other extreme emotions, causes irrational behaviors including violence.
A lot of those labeled “mentally ill” do not act this way. I got my label of “bipolar 2” because I sought help for depression and had a bad reaction to the drug Anafranil. I have been iatrogenically damaged by decades on a cocktail.
I have broken no laws. I don’t ask for the right to bear arms.
Just live peacefully in the community where I sought refuge and am slowly healing after 23 years on the same class of drugs that harmed me. Do people like me deserve to be segregated? Do we deserve to be treated worse than felons? We are not all criminals.
I have struggled with guilt for living on disability. I have a strong work ethic. I volunteered regularly even when I couldn’t find a job. We are not all lazy.
I have a number of health problems linked to decades on a cocktail. The segregation, isolation, and extreme poverty with the constant threat of homelessness is horrible. I have done nothing to deserve this. All I did was seek out help for anxiety and depression. And religiously obeyed my doctor’s orders even as my brain and body fell apart. We are not all lazy or irresponsible idiots who refuse our “meds.”
(It took me years to come off mine because I felt I owed it to society. How I decided to come off them is a long story.)
I will never have a family now and am overcome with grief. The “mentally ill” aren’t allowed to marry due to financial penalties and I chose celibacy rather than promiscuity like the “mental health” staff encouraged. We are not all hedonists.
We are not monsters just because we had a rough time long ago or even a simple drug reaction. The vast majority of us are in this situation.
Famous Shrink: All the mentally ill are murderous monsters who should be locked up or neurologically crippled to keep them from hurting you. And, by the way, we need to end stigma by educating the public on how dangerous these creatures are.
You don’t hear cardiologists going on TV and telling everyone how evil heart patients are. Or gastroeneterologists warning how everyone with Colitis is a menace to society. Only psychiatrists do this.
And that “Doctor” Torrey, is why there is an anti-psychiatry movement. No one but a psychiatrist demonizes all those he claims to help and maligns their character simply because they made the horrible mistake of seeking “help” from his profession.
Shame on Torrey for his defamation of law abiding citizens.
As far as Obama and Trump go, chalk it up to ignorance. Like 90% of the public.
But Torrey knows it is a lie. He has been quoted as saying he knows the drugs aren’t that effective in Anne Harrington’s book. Yet he goes on the air saying these things and writing slanderous articles. Hence he is truly reprehensible. 🙁
This is why I would never advise an abused wife with kids to seek out psych “help.” A psych label will just make the courts award custody to the abusive dad.
Sites where abuse victims are urged to get “help” for “clinical depression/anxiety” when their sorrow and fear are justified and the abuser will be the one who benefits…these advisors mean well…but their foolishness hurts many. Makes me want to rip out my hair!
I would say that defending SSRI drugs and then blaming the patients for not being able to think straight of feel better causes stigma. Pretending these drugs are magic bullets (denying any painful effects they produce) that would make “crazies” normal if they weren’t refusing to take them is as stigmatizing as it gets!
She was taking X when she killed herself.
Solution?
Prevent suicidal despair by putting even more people on drug X.
Those spreading this message are ignorant of the facts (drug X was tried and found wanting.) Or very stupid. Or liars with no regard for their fellow humans.
I remember some shrinks lecturing us at NAMI, “The problem with the mentally ill people is they’re totally ignorant of nutrition and have no self control.”
“Life is great. You’re just depressed because you’re a ‘mentally ill’ loon. And if our ‘meds’ don’t make you feel great you’re a severely mentally ill liar.”
My mom has always fretted, fussed and obsessed over What Others Think of Us.
I believe that’s why she feels the SSRI drugs help her “nerves.” Blunting her ability to care helped her for a while. Though now she is very ill with IBS and tired all the time. Can’t read more than a page at a time and passively watches TV all day.
My counselors were (mostly) kind and well meaning. But because they believed I was a hopeless “SMI” their advice was useless when not actually depressing.
A leftist on FB was complaining about America. One of his top complaints was not enough being spent on “mental health.”
I wish the government would confiscate the multi billions Big Pharma companies have made and give $500,000 apiece to everyone crippled by their psych drugs. If it bankrupted them so they could no longer hurt people, so much the better. Of course that ain’t gonna happen. 🙁
Real doctors heal. They don’t make a living lying about problems to patients to sell them mind altering drugs or perform random acts of violence on vital organs by pretending its surgery. (And slandering their patients on national TV.)
Ironically I could perform constructive work before psychiatry had its way with me.
A bunch of physical, autoimmune disorders now. Map-fingerprint eye distrophy and inflammatory bowel disease. As well as CNS damage and heart arrhythmia.
Something you never hear about is “non compliance shaming.”
There are dozens–no hundreds of websites and mags where people can praise their pills, shots, shocks. NOWHERE but MIA and a couple private sites are available for those of us who know we have been damaged.
Weird how happy consumers keep logging in here to yell at us instead of going to one of the countless other sites to tell how happy and productive their “meds” have made them and how they found salvation in psychiatry alone.
Ironically, Bonnie, your resistance to psychiatry has been likened to eugenics by a grateful consumer who stirred up trouble because of your scholarship. I get so frustrated with battling mindsets that assume brain chemical imbalances are a PROVEN FACT and nothing I say or show convinces them.
I just want to rip my hair out at such willful ignorance. Why is reading an article from the APA journal or this resource or listening to me talk about Anatomy of an Epidemic too hard for my friends? Why this resistance to learning anything not approved by the boobtube? 🙁
The big wigs running the APA and inventing “illnesses” for the DSM have an astounding lack of empathy or compassion. And they have diagnosed themselves as Sane. 😀
Dr. Harrington said psychiatrists should focus on people who are totally “out of it” and leave depressed people and squirming children alone. It went on to say these people are already in institutions or prisons. Dr. Harrington does NOT recommend putting them there.
Thank you for this review Sandra Steingard. I ran into a copy of Anne Harrington’s book when visiting the library of another town and could only skim it.
When she talks about a “sympathetic view” of psychiatry I ask myself “Sympathetic towards whom?”
I am one of those who derived more harm than good from standard psychiatric treatments. Not psychotic till I took Anafranil for 3 weeks. Got diagnosed “Bipolar 2” and put on 3-4 drugs as a consequence.
After 20 years I became chronically ill. Finally went off the drugs in secret with only online support. Forced to live on SSI even now thanks to IBD and nerve damage from long term drug use.
It troubles me that Dr. Harrington wants to lock up swaths of people in institutions. Doc Torrey, our old friend, has gone on record saying we need to build more institutions. So is he admitting his magical pills are NOT 100% safe and effective after all?
A lot of us have suffered long term iatrogenic damage already from drugs that drove us crazier than before we took them. Now they want to simply lock us up and throw away the key? 🙁
Arguing with psychiatrists and “mental health” professionals is indeed futile.
While I agree with Bob Nickel that these changes would be an improvement, I also agree with Oldhead. The “MH System” is too invested in preserving its own money and power to reason with survivors.
Rather than waste time and energy debating shrinks, we need to win over the kind but deceived people who honestly think psychiatry helps its victims. A lot of people I know fall in this category.
Let me clarify. By “always” I meant generally and from the beginning. Ever since Francis Galton cooked up his theory that crimes were due to “bad breeding” and certain families of “moral degenerates” were less than human.
After World War II killing/sterilizing the unfit became unpopular. Even among psychiatrists.
Recently they found they can transform people into cash cows through the drug induced “bipolar” epidemic. Since they can’t milk dead cows they oppose suicide–assisted or otherwise.
My fear is since shrinks are notorious for forcing their own will on patients that euthanasia–once permitted–would NOT be truly voluntary. They can force AOT on people after all.
Why not say, “Your honor, Erma Jones thinks she wants to live. This is only due to lack of insight into the severity of her condition. The only humane thing to do is permanently fix her schizoaffective/BPD/agosognosia by mercy killing. If she screams and pleads for her life remember it’s just her illness talking.”
For now, in America, they find it more profitable to slowly destroy our brains and other organs.
For number 2 I wish people would acknowledge the drugs the person is forced to take on AOC can make them weirder than ever. Abilify has 4 warnings about “odd behaviors” as a potential side effect and has been linked to an increase in poor impulse control.
Yet Abilify seems to be a favorite for AOT. How is this supposed to help people act responsibly and obey the law?
Thank you Njinsky. 🙂 Actually the Parkinsonism is gone. Got off the drugs in time.
My big problem now is microscopic colitis linked to a wider auto-immune disorder. There is a lot of that in our society you’ll notice. Also terrible short term memory and other things linked to the CNS. My dad is begging me to get tested for Lymes though i think it’s not that.
The reason I said such harsh stuff about Torrey is because he strongly supports “medications” to prevent crimes or just odd behaviors on the one hand. But in a book called Mind Fixers by Anne Harrington he goes on record as saying the only real help for “schizophrenics” is institutionalization. Either his memory is failing or he is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Drugs did NOT make me passably acceptable to people.
Doubling body weight, tics, inability to observe social cues or hold a job…not passably acceptable in our society. So that in itself is a bald faced lie.
…As medical professionals, we cannot afford to view our patients’ afflictions in emotional or humanizing terms. Nor can we afford the luxury of supposing that the only treatment we offer causes permanent incapacity and premature cessation of physiological vitality.
The best evidence suggests that focusing solely on the modality of treatment (whether pharmaceutical agents, ECT, or a synergistic combination of both with compliance enforcing therapy) is more important than the outcomes themselves.
Needless to say, we must take precautions against plunging heedlessly into the maze of spontaneous eclecticism in our modalities. If we recommend therapy or treatment for actual (physical) diseases we may undermine the credibility of our science.
We must allow ourselves to be guided by studies designed to prove the effectiveness of the treatments we offer and the evidence carefully selected to support the same….
It is time to consign this “chemical imbalance” metaphor to the dunghill of vicious cartoons. As medical practitioners of a legitimate science it is an outrage that people actually think we believe the nonsense which we publicly promote.
~from “Professional Outrage of a Well-Informed Liar”
Don’t bother searching the archives of the APA Journal. This is a satire.
Thank you for this story Lee. What you experienced sounds like what they used to call “negative self talk.” Till throwing pills at every sorrow became the rage.
Did you know William Glasser (who rejected mainstream psychiatry) considered voice hearing and hallucinations as subconscious acts of creativity?
Your art is beautiful. I wish you success in your future career.
Some politicians hire “hatchet men” to slander opponents. We have that going on with the APA letting drug commercials, “mental health” centers, and NAMI do its dirty work.
“Show me the biomarker!” should be the rallying cry of survivors.
Assuming–for the sake of argument–that a pre-“treatment” brain abnormality existed, until they knew what it was how can they claim the drugs corrected it?
Ever notice how a lot of articles from psychiatrists’ journals contain literary allusions and quotes from poets? To my knowledge they are the only medical specialty that does this regularly.
Pies is really ticked off at all the people claiming psychiatrists actually believe in the chemical imbalance.
Kudos to all his tireless efforts at putting out PSA’s and going on speaking tours to educate the public so they know better and how he used professional influence to stop NAMI from printing misleading brochures. Lol.
Shrinks’ for example. They earn $250,000 per year (or more) and professional glory by defaming people, making them die 25 years prematurely and forcing them to live in poverty and segregation.
What psych drug was Jill Kesti taking to keep her awake for 3 weeks? Mine was Anafranil. And shrinks pretend the psychosis was caused by noncompliance since “the meds never have that effect on anyone.” And after 3 weeks of no sleep I had bizarre notions of running around naked and screaming obscenities I could barely repress. MEDS COMPLIANT THE WHOLE XXXX TIME!
I tearfully told my parents how I couldn’t think straight on massive quantities of drugs, though I took them faithfully. The good doctor would kindly gas light me. “Those medications are 100% effective on anyone who takes them exactly as prescribed. And Haldol doesn’t cause seizures. Your daughter is obviously non compliant and lying like They all do.”
After years in the system I took to saying stuff that wasn’t true. Mom wondered at it since I had always been scrupulously honest.
Shrinks had turned me into a drug addict. Which explains my personality change. And due to their gas lighting I could no longer tell truth from reality.
Thank God I kept from killing myself and am mentally the woman I used to be. Only older and horribly sick with IBD which I blame on 2 decades of SSRI drugs.
Lots of places like that in my state. I don’t mean to brag but NAMI gave us a D- in our mental illness system. It’s hard to get better than that in America. 🙂
Psychiatrist: Do you have schizophrenia?
Accused: Yes.
Psychiatrist: You admit it. I sentence you to 12 mg Haldol a day for life.
Psychiatrist: Do you have schizophrenia?
Accused: No.
Psychiatrist: Schizophrenics lack insight so you must be a schizophrenic with agosognosia. I sentence you to 15 mg Haldol a day for life. Strictly voluntary, but if non compliant we have far less pleasant ways of dealing with your kind.
I would do everything in my power to prevent someone from suicide, aside from seeking psych “help.” That would make them far more likely to kill themselves. Some even do it while locked up.
It’s extremely hypocritical for shrinks to oppose suicide under the guise of “compassion” when the profession has always been about involuntary euthanasia and sterilization of those they deem “unfit.” Their “treatments” are nothing but a slow, agonizing death sentence. After 25 years of “help” I can barely leave my house most days.
Now some shrinks support “assisted suicide.” Totally voluntary–but we all know for those labeled “SMI” the word voluntary means absolutely nothing for us.
If someone really wants to destroy him or herself they don’t need a doctor to do it. Ending a life is way too easy. I think that’s why Szazs mocked Jack the Dripper Kavorkian.
The “good doctor” Torrey says! Who are you mere mortal human to question this self appointed deity?
Not like psychiatrists would ever knowingly deceive patients or the public after all. 😛 Psychiatry is the only medical specialty that publicly maligns the character of its patients on national television.
Torrey’s sole goal in appearing on TV is the CREATION of stigma against those his profession has damaged. Ending it is the last thing his ilk would want.
Far worse than Farid Fata. He lied to patients, crippled and killed them. But at least he didn’t gas light them and go on TV accusing them of murders never committed and urge the public to segregate and imprison them.
Seems Torrey knows his BS can no longer be hidden. Too obvious his poisons are not magic cure-alls. So he is now running around urging to have all the “SMI” locked up forever. Seriously.
Wish we had surveys on how many folks labeled “SMI” started out normal and rational till psychiatry got its claws on them.
I have a friend who works as a speech pathologist. Largely with those suffering from TBI.
She told me 90% of those who suffer extensive brain damage become far nastier and harder to live with. (I believe individual choice plays a role too but we’re discussing generalities.) When people are drunk or high on heroine or meth they don’t turn from evil killers to sweet, gentle little lambs.
Yet shrinks like Torrey claim that the way to prevent crime is to force everyone his profession has written off as hopeless and subhuman to partake of “treatments” consisting of—traumatic brain injury and mind altering drugs. Despicable. And–even those who choose to take those drugs he lies about suffer from the public defamation. Muzzled or not, no one wants to hang with Hannibal Lector
Lying all the time, zero empathy for those harmed, a profound hubris setting himself over those he has branded subhuman–these are all personality traits Torrey has displayed. Why have we made men like him the moral guardians of our society?
It was a relief to me when I found the Biomedical model had no basis. That people like me were not monsters after all and the drugs really were messing up my thinking. (Not imagining it or faking the Parkinsons and seizures.)
Like that scene in T.S. Eliot’s The Cocktail Party where the woman is glad to know things are (partly) her fault because she can change them after all.
Psych “diagnoses” are unduly pessimistic and lead to us being treated worse than convicted felons. But they help shrinks and groups like NAMI make money and maintain political clout. So they will keep promoting them unless forced to stop.
Not interested in dating now. Trying to pick up the shards of my life. My body is slower to heal than my soul oddly enough.
Looking for work. Too old for kids so I’ve lost all romantic interest.
I don’t think Melissa meant to give me callous BS. She honestly believed there was some invisible bond between everyone labeled “bipolar” so only we can understand each other. Well–it does sound like BS now that I think of it. 😀
Almost married a fellow “bipolar” I had little in common with. He had the mind of an 8 year old and wanted a mother.
Maybe try POF or OKCupid? Wait till they really know you before sharing your story.
I sought out psychiatric help because of some rough experiences. An awkward loner in my teens. Had felt there was something bad/wrong with me for a long time.
My dad was a clergyman who couldn’t keep a church for long. How long he stayed depended on how well his family members–as well as he–performed for the “right” people. Appearance was EVERYTHING. And we were watched ALL the time. I felt woefully inadequate.
2 years of sexualized bullying in high school made my anxiety worse than ever. (And made me loathe my body.)
Depressed and anxious as a college freshman I was afraid to leave my dorm room. Dr. M gave me Stelazine which took the edge off my anxiety. Unfortunately it made me sluggish, numb and the good effects wore off.
I mentioned I had negative thoughts that wouldn’t leave on a visit later. Dr. M put me on Anafranil. No sleep for 3 weeks. 23 years in the MH System as punishment for my bad reaction to a drug he put me on. (My sister is allergic to penicillin but no one suggested she be shamed and segregated forever.)
I would have told young me to 1. Get a driver’s license despite Mom’s protests. Can’t go car free in Indiana. 2. Drop out of the university and get a clerical job after a year at business school. A 4 year degree was my parents’ dream. Not mine. And they were dead wrong when they said it would help me find work. No MI history and a good work history are the ticket. I held several jobs in my teens and had a reputation as a conscientious worker. All ruined at age 20.
Lol. 😀 The real reason “mentally ill” often choose to only date each other is the reason lepers in leper colonies do. No one else will dare touch these social outcasts.
Not bashing those called SMI. Discrimination is real.
Psychiatrists have a vested interest in keeping everybody their profession “diagnoses” “medicated” till they die alone, crippled, and miserable in a HUD slum or institution before their fifty-third birthday. Why? So these professionals can enjoy the glory and honor of Real Scientists and honest-to-gosh doctors and live lavish lifestyles on seven digit incomes.
It’s obvious who benefits the most from neuroleptics.
And the bare idea of survivors who escape and lead good lives despite mainstream psychiatry’s best efforts must stick in their craw.
Loved your essay Phoebe. I’m checking out your art site.
I find caffeine helped me create in the past. Now I have one cup mixed with half decaf each morning. Off psych drugs now I find more caffeine too stimulating. Used to drink 5-10 cups a day on “meds.” And still slept 10-12 hours out of 24.
Tiff how does your son seem better? Are his odd behaviors and words lessened? Maybe his anxiety is better. I had short term benefits on the drug Stelazine at 6 mg for a few months.
I seemed better on psych “meds” to those around me because I was too tired/deadened to do or say anything weird. But i could never build an adult life for myself, wound up with OCD, couldn’t get along with others due to emotional numbness, have not been gainfully employed since my teens and was in low grade depression non-stop for over 15 years. Frequently suicidal.
I went off my “meds” without my family’s knowledge. Asked forgiveness rather than permission. Mom was shocked at how improved I am now, but my organizational skills and short term memory are horrible and may not improve much. Still, my OCD is gone along with extreme depression. I get along better with people when not exhausted from the iatrogenic disease I developed and am motivated to keep my room clean (despite aforementioned fatigue.)
Mom swears I used to need the “meds” though I was fully compliant during my freakiest episodes. The numbing out would make me do dumb things I never did before. Short term effects were way better than long term.
Tardive psychosis came with my experience on neuroleptics. i didn’t know that was a thing for decades. Doctors told me I didn’t know what I was talking about and it was just my “illness” talking when I tearfully told everyone ‘Antipsychotics make me psychotic.”
Trying to fit human beings into neat little pigeon holes is actually what we call stereotyping. “All women love to knit.” Part of the problem with racism/sexism/other prejudice is it claims everyone in Group X is alike–lumping diverse individuals into a blanket category and subtly dehumanizing them in the process.
The only significant thing about this piece of news is that Psychiatry Research admits what most familiar with the System have known forever.
It’s worth noting that 2 people can have the same “diagnosis” with no traits in common. Yet shrinks say we are all alike and should be subjected to the same “treatment” and psycho-therapists have told me I should only date others with my label. Since being called “bipolar 2” is way more important than life philosophy/religion, common interests, personal connection and life goals.
I think Matthew Warren was an introvert. Just a theory.
Saddleback is really into group activities and Rick has gone on record saying “Jesus was an extrovert.” I refer you to an analysis of that mega-church in Quiet by Susan Cain.
As a preacher’s daughter I got tired of being in the public eye and the constant criticism. I also need my downtime and the pressure–even as a child of nine–led to a couple break downs.
Became suicidal after being drugged up on 10 mg of Haldol and labeled SMI got me kicked out of college and my zoned out behaviors infuriated my long suffering family. Was put on Zoloft and a “mood stabilizer” in the psych ward.
After 22 years on a “cocktail” I tapered off over 13 months. I have the will to live again, sickly as I am thanks to a ruined digestion. Never suicidal.
Just an anecdote. But the psych community loves anecdotes and uses them all the time. They just don’t like mine because it won’t sell their pills.
A sure fire proof of good insight is when a shrink holds up four fingers and insists you see five. By means of their safe and effective treatments you wind up screaming that you do indeed see five. And you do. Thus they restore their vic–uh–patients to sanity.
I never knew what insanity truly was till I sought “help” from a shrink. His methods created my madness.
The Mental Illness Centers help with weight gain of 100+ pounds by mocking everybody for how fat they are in day treatment. Some scrawny little case worker with full gym membership who doesn’t take the neurotoxins they’re forced to, lectures “clients” for more than an hour at a time about how “mentally ill” people have no self control.
Also had a joker who ran the “Club House” ridicule us for sleeping to much and being too thirsty. Accused us of dipsomania because our mouths were dry. 😛
I relocated. I promised to find a new “mental health” center and then didn’t.
Off my bipolar inducers now. Building my health up and looking for work after 25 years in the Madhouse Without Walls!
No one knows I’m supposed to be an “unmedicated bipolar” since I don’t act the part, not being on the drugs that caused my psychosis/mood swings anymore.
Mine was iatrogenically caused by massive quantities of Haldol and Stelazine. Along with Parkinsonism, mini-seizures, and OCD I had not exhibited before taking psychiatric drugs.
I started out depressed and anxious because I feared social rejection. Psychiatry made my fears come true and almost drove me to suicide.
I agree with Rosalee, Bob. I would welcome a continuation of this essay.
Glad you went through with your decision to make a career change. You sound like you are good at working with people. As a former engineer you have a lot to offer adults in remedial education.
Njinsky I know it wasn’t a movie. I wish it were.
Totally stupid. And, as others have pointed out, beating someone over the head with a wooden ball bat can have similar benefits.
I remember reading a report by Dr. Abrams about how some institutionalized people were cured of “schizophrenia” by accidentally spilling boiling water on themselves. The only reason psychiatrists have not tried boiling water is it would be hard to cook up some sciencey sounding gobbledy-gook to establish how they ARE SO REAL DOCTORS! 😛
What I had in common with other “bipolars” were the problems created by those claiming to help us. Extreme poverty/unemployment, obesity, excessive thirst, sleeping all the time or not enough, relationship problems because our relatives learned we were “psychotic monsters,” and the ever present threat of homelessness (thanks to the extreme poverty, unemployment, and relatives’ shunning.)
All caused by the stigmatizing lables and drugs handed out so freely by the Mental Illness Center.
PD, I don’t subscribe or write to NAMI, BipolarHope, Wellness Place, etc. Just pointing out to those who want to sing the praises of their psych remedies that there are dozens if not hundreds of other sites on the internet that allow them to do so.
Never heard of a school of psychiatry called “critical.” It refers to a way of perceiving psychiatry versus “anti” or “pro/mainstream.”
Yes “therapists” who exist solely for the purpose of forcing kids to repress abuse memories are pretty evil, though I have not actually met any.
My mom’s counselor did the exact opposite and helped her remember stuff she had buried and deal with it. Encouraged her to get her 4 year degree in education and pursue a career as a teacher. A great “treatment” for depression before the bio-model took over.
Now all they do is throw pills at everything. Counselors provide no advice to those branded SMI beyond “take your meds and accept how hopeless your life will always be.” Because of this wide-spread sell out I avoid counseling and urge others to do likewise. Especially at those “Mental Health” Indoctrination Centers. 😛
Maybe the devil wanted to see Gene tormented through shock therapy. *Eye roll.*
A lot of supposedly religious folk will sell out to pseudo science when it fits their purposes. Like when some church goers argued eugenics to exploit other ethnic groups. Since eugenics presupposes evolution–not arguing that here–but the 19th century church did not, they decided God created whites in His own image. But other people evolved from apes. (Nowadays scientists say “a common ancestor.” I’m talking about Victorian science.)
When a shrink–or at least as often a Big Pharma marketing huckster–points a finger at someone putting down someone being harmed by their quackery they have four fingers pointing back at themselves!
Psychiatry is nothing but SHAME if you take away the trappings of drugs and psycho-surgery.
Were Dr. Farid Fata’s patients voluntary victims when he subjected them to numerous rounds of chemo under the pretext that they had leukemia? If a doctor sells heroine to his patients by telling them they have diabetes and it’s insulin are they voluntary?
The only excuse I can give for psychiatrists is that SOME–not sure how many–actually believe the lies they promote about the “chemical imbalance.” According to Dr. Pies they are uninformed. Tsk tsk. So bad to accuse his profession of ignorance. He’s proud of what a well-informed, professionally competent charlatan he is. 😀
I thought of your story as soon as I read the title to this. 🙂
Like you I started out with a mild problem. Anxiety and depression instead of smoking. Got “help” and went completely bonkers. The quacks pretended to be surprised.
She loved us dearly and meant well. But as an intuitive child I picked up on her pain. (Her own childhood.) Along with the community politics associated with Dad’s career.
I have been shamed numerous times for not taking my “medicine.” Ironically this was when I took them religiously. They were like food or oxygen to me….I thought.
Then I would be consumed with self loathing and suicidal longings. The pills were magic. So it must be my fault I couldn’t think straight, gained 60 pounds in 3 months, couldn’t study or understand social cues anymore.
Tapered off them. Lo and behold my head didn’t spontaneously combust from all those imbalanced chemicals reacting. And gravity still exists. My folks didn’t know about it for over 32 months. And I was living with them too. They were kind of surprised.
Requiring Big Pharma to shell out $1,000,000 to maintain each of the “mentally ill” brain trauma victims they have created would be a very good thing. Especially since it might force these unaccountable corporations to downsize and focus on medicines that help people. Instead of crippling and killing the formerly healthy. And ban the drug ads
A great tool for stirring up angry mobs with minimum appeal to reason. Perfect for a “science” consisting of nothing but political propaganda and marketing campaigns.
I honestly believed the lies NAMI pushes. That my “mental illness” was caused by a proven chemical imbalance.
When I found out the truth I was devastated. But instead of “killing the messenger” I planned a suicide. The plan was really an effective one. If a dear friend hadn’t stopped me I almost surely would be dead.
There are plenty of ex-smokers who act pretty self righteous toward those struggling to quit. And formerly obese people sneering at those who can’t lose or are too busy with other stuff to do 24 hours of step aerobics a week.
Appropriately called TIC. And they’ll have tics aplenty along with seizures, tardive psychosis, morbid obesity, akathisia, and diminished IQ. All children being groomed for lives of isolation and physician induced disability so these Dr. Mengele wanna be’s can try cruel pointless experiments on them.
So Oldhead you never had a shrink say, “I don’t know what’s wrong with you. You look perfectly healthy. But your behaviors/thoughts/mannerisms/tone of voice bug me. So I’m going to lock you up and experiment on you with a bunch of mind altering drugs. Been ‘tested’ by the place that manufactured them. No conflict of interest there.
“Nobody knows what the long term results of these drugs are. Or even how they work. But I’m sure they work cause Yolanda, that hot babe of a Pharma rep offered me warm doughnuts–and further…office calls–if I try this out on a lucky consumer.
“So how bout it? You don’t want poor old Doc Quackenbush to go doughnutless would you?” 😀
There’s a thing called the Sunken Cost Fallacy. After a heavy investment–be it money, time, effort–people prefer to keep investing in it though common sense would be to cut their losses and bail out.
I think that’s at work among the “consumers” who get angry at the messenger. Perfectly normal human reaction.
Many of us who have been damaged by these poisons–and know it–are shamed ALL the freaking time. I was shamed for a bad reaction to Anafranil and given the label “bipolar” for life. Psychiatrists love to punish their test subjects for suffering too visibly.
No offense toward Sera Davidow, but I wish our feelings (and ruined reputations and blighted lives) were taken into account more often. I don’t perceive this article itself as guilty in that respect though.
It’s harder than quitting booze or cigarettes. Harder than quitting heroine even. Because your “dealer” has the legal ability to hunt you down, lock you up, and torture you for “just saying no.”
The courts defer to the dealers and their mobster cronies (Pfizer, Lilly, Johnson & Johnson, etc.) buy all our politicians. Sickening!
“Pill shaming” is as absurd an etiological construct as “mental illness.” Pills feel no shame.
People who have been tricked or forced into taking them do. They have already been hurt, and the truth can be very traumatic, causing them to “kill the messenger.”
Those who squeal loudest about “pill shaming” are usually the Patient Shamers. Psychiatric bigwigs blame everything on their victims in order to exonerate their precious pills. Shame on them!
In lieu of the term “mentally ill” I suggest the term “psychiatrized.” This term could include grateful “consumers” as well as escaped survivors and everyone in between.
And yet “diagnoses” ARE lifelong. NAMI and psychiatrists routinely tell people they know why they’re “defective.”
Realizing you were lied to all your adult life and cheated out of everything for no good reason is unavoidably hurtful. 🙁 Stopping the lies may spare others our suffering.
They get you fired from jobs, denied housing, denied custody of kids, and kicked out of college.
They allow harmless law-abiding citizens to be lumped into the same category as serial killers.
My label made me want to kill myself. Rejecting it gave me the will to live.
I prefer the term “emotional distress.” Dr. William Glasser called bizarre mental states “creative symptoming.”
Have you read any books by him Mad in Canada? I recommend Choice Theory. The neat thing about Reality Therapy/Choice Theory is you wouldn’t have to get your son to go. You could learn how to draw him back to the real world using methods Glasser employed.
MIC speaking as a “mentally ill” adult child sometimes I pity my parents more than myself.
Off my drugs which never helped and made me crazier than before, I still can’t work. My SSI won’t pay for housing so I have to live with my retired parents. In my mid-forties and have the symptoms of bad Crohn’s Disease. Iatrogenic damage on my digestive system.
It’s rough on my parents. Having me here depresses Mom. Sometimes I feel guilty for just existing.
The reason I took the drugs that have crippled me and kept me from gainful employment as an adult is it pleased my folks. Mom repeatedly told me how my “meds” made me more pleasant to be around so they must work. 🙁
Looking back she disliked me talking. The solution was never talk unless she speaks to me and she picks the topic. I do this and she thinks I don’t need “meds” though she still threatens to send me to a “home” when I misplace things. (TBI is to blame.)
We need less emotional PSAs perhaps. But the pro psych side has plenty of emotional stuff too. Crime dramas. A lot of NAMI stuff. Books like Crazy. And don’t forget the way Tim Murphy exploited those grieving families to get what he wanted.
Well conditions like anemia, thyroid disease, Lyme’s disease, traumatic brain injury, etc. can cause depression and problems thinking straight.
BUT we don’t see psychiatrists to treat these problems. We see nutritionists, endocrinologists, neurologists, and so on. The best way to get TBI (and other physical problems) is to see a shrink. As Peter Breggin says, “That’s how it WORKS.”
Ironically the bio model can increase prejudice toward those labeled “mentally ill.”
Once my dorm mom found out I was supposed to be “schizo affective” she grew hostile to me. I was horribly depressed and had drug induced seizures. My mom had a similar reaction. Cause TV shows depicted how wonderful psychiatry is.
Everyone blamed my grief/loneliness/seizures on not being compliant. Because “meds” magically fix everything. So if your suffering annoys others you must be a naughty patient who deserves to be punished.
There’s a real stigma against unhappiness. Unless you get an official “diagnosis” and take pills for it. Then you can explain your blues by saying “I have a real brain disease causing my depression. I take drug/s X for it.” Then everyone is expected to show sympathy.
My response? Who the heck says you have to grin ear to ear all the time? We have the right to feel unhappy.
Thank you Dr. Caplan. I like your analogy of psych labels as constellations in the sky in They Call You Crazy.
I see them as libelous slander. Moral judgments against people. Psychiatrists go on TV saying things like, “That mother murdered her two sons because her bipolar made her do it.”
Great plug for his profession. But it’s a slam against everyone he and others have labeled who do NOT murder small children.
This used to really bug me, even when I thought psychiatry was real medicine and followed their orders exactly as told. No other medical specialty regularly badmouths its patients. You don’t hear cardiologists telling how those with heart disease are violent. Nor osteopaths saying those with bone cancer are deceitful.
The a priori assumption being that psychiatry is rational. To my knowledge there are no surveys or papers proving that alcoholics put on SSRI drugs fair better than those who don’t. (If there are she should have cited them. Citing the psych “expert” was apparently sufficient for Gabby.)
Bcharris I don’t ascribe my vitamin deficiencies to my emotional problems as a teen, but they are the result of iatrogenic Crohn’s Disease symptoms from decades of using them in good faith.
“Sick” is a synonym for evil as far as psychiatry goes.
“Why did that man murder that kindergarten class?” With the understanding that his ex taught the class.
The normal person says the man was evil.
The mainstream shrink says he was “sick.” Then he calls a bunch of law abiding citizens “sick” as well so he has an excuse to treat them like criminals.
I was using “psychic” in the pejorative sense. Like the con artists who advertise on daytime TV.
Psychiatrists claim the ability to read minds (can tell what the thoughts of patients are) and predict the future (will he commit a violent crime or not.)
There are a number of us who were turned into “ne’re do wells” through psych treatments. Psychiatric drugs, labels, and hospitalizations ruined all my hope for gainful employment.
Crippling and defamation is a great way to ruin a life. 🙁
The five Scriptures have nothing to do with psychiatry. Ignorant or dishonest.
The Five “Truths” of the circle should read:
1. I’m upset. vs You’re sick and crazy.
2. I need hope. vs You need a counselor to tell you to give up on life.
3. I need love. vs You need to be segregated.
4. I need help with obvious life problems. (Poverty, physical issues, abuse.) vs You need drugs and probably shocks too.
5. I’m unhappy. vs You are a disease.
That’s what Psychiatry is really about. Rick doesn’t mention this. Perhaps he wants to offer real help, but why not just give it instead of promoting drugs and segregation?
Psychiatry did NOT save your son Rick. Why push it as the magic cure to everybody else?
A lot of the abolitionists worked the Underground Railroad before slavery was finally outlawed. We need a similar support system to help people being destroyed by psychiatry.
Been reading about Maiti Girtanner who wound up disabled after being tortured by a doctor in an interment camp. She never could pursue a career as a musician.
Those of us who have been “treated” for more than 8 years struggle with real disabilities–inflicted by respected professionals we often trusted. 🙁
Psych drugs do not fix bad behaviors. Interesting this creeper was getting “help” the whole time he was doing this. Yet shrinks claim they are messianic figures that can transform mass shooters into Gandhi.
A lot of states that can’t pass this could get around it by framing this as “treatment.” You can get away with any torture if you claim it’s for the Greater Good. (Like a shrink’s yacht payment and a drug CEO’s summer home.)
Since shrinks are within their rights to imprison, damage and kill at their discretion we need a legislative overhaul. Changing the unjust law is essential.
Yes. Sadly there is a dearth of accurate information. I believe 90% of America’s population thinks all “mental illnesses” are caused by chemical imbalances proven to exist in people’s brains. Because NAMI and other educational orgs tell them so.
I was drinking 2 quarts of coffee a day for a while. The only thing that made me feel alive. Now I drink one cup diluted with decaf and often get jittery.
i also lost all interest in diet soda pop since going drug free.
More people involuntarily forced onto disability through the crippling effects of long term drugs may not be the (stated) intention of those supporting more “mental health.” But that is the practical result.
Spending more money to keep more people from gainful employment. Keeping them OUT of the workforce and forced to live on public assistance. A colossal waste of money. And human lives.
Just read an article bashing AA as unscientific. The argument is alcoholics are people with the “brain disease” of depression which SCIENCE proves drugs called “antidepressants” can fix.
Like saying you can cure alcoholism by taking crack. Woo hoo!
The Perfect Person is high in extrovertism. High in conscientiousness. Middle ground in agreeableness. Very low in ability to feel negative emotions. And a 0 in openness.
Don’t forget fortune telling. “Mental health” clairvoyants claim they can foresee crime sprees before they happen.
Yes, some psychics give tips to police officers in solving cases. But the only psychics judges themselves listen to are the self-styled prophets who can allegedly foretell the future of someone they never met at a hearing. And no one holds them accountable if murder/suicide occurs under treatment they impose either.
That’s why getting drunk or high are called “self medicating.” Alcohol and street drugs are no more dangerous or counterproductive than psych drugs. And if your bar tender or dealer locked you up to force his wares on you he would do serious time.
Allow me to pour sugar in the engine please. I’m the expert.
The engine was already broken so whatever happens is your car’s fault not mine. It happened DESPITE my brilliant auto repair skills. Quit sugar shaming!
Label a bunch of shy, awkward , unhappy kids hopelessly defective.
Force them to take a cocktail of mind altering drugs.
Publicly parade them in front of others. Tell them how sick and crazy these kids are in order to lessen “stigma” through “education.”
Good golly, what could possibly go wrong with this plan?
It IS the perfect plan. Assuming the plan is grooming a criminal class through the educational system.
Psychiatry is the penal system which exists solely to punish the suffering. Not the bullies but the bullied. Not abusive parents or spouses but battered kids and spouses.
If you suffered TBI, Lyme Disease, recent emotional trauma (like rape or homelessness) or a bad reaction to the SSRIs they hand out more freely than office mints don’t worry.
The mental illness makers will hunt you down and punish you good. Ensuring a lifetime of every abuse imaginable. 🙁
Punishing law abiding citizens for crimes they MAY commit. Sadly, taking these drugs will not gain the “consumers” acceptance but worsen it as they create “positive symptoms” that never existed before taking the drugs.
My parents are taking my decision well because 1. They see I’m doing better drug free and enjoy better emotional stability off the cocktail supposed to “treat” the mood swings it caused. 2. They actually want what’s best for me. Not all family members do though. 🙁
Szazs was not some cuddly, warm teddy bear you could hug. BUT he wouldn’t lock you up, drug you, or accuse you of crimes you never committed (diagnosing.)
Yes, he lacked mercy. But I appreciate his justice and rigorous honesty. Most shrinks pretend to be nice but are unmerciful, unjust, and phony as the house in Leave it to Beaver.
I guess Steve means Szazs acknowledges depression can be a symptom of a physical disorder like anemia or hypothyroidism. But we treat those with iron and thyroid supplements. Not SSRIs.
There is a religious group called CAPA. In America. Christians Against Psychiatric Abuse. Pentecostal. NOT affiliated with Scientology.
Most churches believe in psychiatry because they can’t believe doctors and pretty TV commercials could lie so flagrantly.
They also embrace psychiatry because it allows them to ignore the emotional needs of rejects.
They can look on them and say, “Be warm, be comforted, and take your ‘meds.’ Am I my brother’s keeper? Of course not. We have psychiatrists who serve that role.”
Sodium nitroprusside. Hypotension, headaches, dizziness and a host of heart problems. Minor side effects for us crazies according to the APA.
It also causes restlessness and anxiety. Which they will either 1. Accuse the “patient” of faking. 2. Attribute it to the original malady they presuppose exists. Always the patient’s fault. Shame patients. Not pills.
Many weak vulnerable individuals are incapable of protecting themselves. Against psychiatrists bent on locking them up, segregating them, and inflicting bodily damage through drugs and “surgery” for the purpose of destroying neuro function.
The treatments don’t heal or restore balance. All they do is impede cognitive function. Otherwise they would raise IQs instead of lowering them.
It’s not about helping people live longer. Nor restoring independence or productivity. It’s about rendering “patients” docile and passive to the point of helplessness. That way they can stuff us away in institutions or “mental health” ghettos.
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I remember a “mixed” NAMI chapter. “Loved ones” and “consumers” in one room. One woman would tearfully bemoan her “sick” son and his refusal of “treatments.”
His symptoms? He would dress up like Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Caribbean. Also deride the political party his mom and her friends belonged to. And he refused to look for work or move out.
Obviously he was acting rudely and irresponsibly. He probably enjoyed watching his mom clutch her pearls at his weird public behaviors. She needed to give him an ultimatum.
If “Jack” ever got the alleged help his mom wanted him to she will enjoy having him live in her basement unemployed forever. Or institutionalized. But as long as they are on drugs it’s okay if they can’t keep a job, live independently, clean their room, or string a coherent sentence together. It’s also okay to have horrible health problems and die prematurely.
If a psychiatrized person commits a violent crime or suicide while “compliant” it’s ALWAYS in spite of the high quality care received. If they have gone off these decisions are always attributed to lack of compliance.
$90,000,000 is just the tip of the iceberg. The MIS is geared to keep people messed up so they never function as adult human beings. Those places are run on tax dollars.
And thanks to segregating psychiatric labels plus all the “safe and effective” damage they endure, the human beings used as lab rats are forced to live on tax payer expense. With government run housing or institutions due to the housing shortage. And since they’re forced out of the workplace there are fewer tax dollars going in as well.
For all the goods and services paid by taxes my guess is the psychiatric bill could easily top $1,000,000,000 in one year. Abolishing psychiatry would be a boon to the economy.
The psychiatric system is funded largely by tax dollars since few of their “consumers” are capable of gainful employment. Hence most of us have no real say in our treatment. You get what you pay for.
Persuading the public footing the shrinks’ actual bill of the damage psychiatry has created would be a worthwhile endeavor.
More so then begging the shrinks to please be nice to us. (Bwahahaha!) Shrinks are paid to drug, shock, and convince the public they’re being saved from “mentally ill” monsters. Not likely to stop voluntarily.
Glasser referred to “psychosis” and extreme states like depression and EDs as “creative symptoming.” Often the person is creative and has unusual thoughts as a coping mechanism or escape device according to him.
That’s why art can help. You don’t need a “therapist” either.
I’m doing creative writing and graphic art. A lot of my annoying tics have gone away.
Never wanted to be a lab rat for a career. Not my choice.
The APA claims their pills turn bad people good and irresponsible people productive. Yet their magic wonder drugs work by shrinking the frontal cortex (impulse control) and amygdala (altruistic behaviors.) How’s that supposed to work?
Psychiatry is the only branch of accepted medicine to regularly demonize its “patients.”
You won’t find cardiologists going on 60 Minutes to terrify the public with tales of all those monsters with heart disease who should be locked up and subjected to cruel, pointless experiments to protect the public.
I know pro psychiatry friends who got angry at Murphy for maligning them. Basically called them murderers.
Psychiatry is an ideal religion for do-gooder materialists.
I have an idea for a book called The Gospel According to Psychiatry targeted to a religious audience. A lot of church goers don’t realize that psychiatry is based on the assumption of bio-determinism and that souls do not exist.
So do you believe in the chemical imbalance myth RR? (The APA does not.) I ask this because you left this as part of the quote from me you take issue wiih.
If they don’t know WHAT the pathology is how can they correct it–assuming the a priori assumption is true? They are likely exacerbating the original complaint and/or adding new ones.
Lyme disease, anemia, Hashimoto’s are indeed physical problems that cause messed up thinking. None are treated by shrinks.
Those of us who’ve suffered are dismissed all the time. MIA is one of the few places we can share our experiences.
Have you ever read Robert Whittaker? Anatomy of an Epidemic is an eye opener. Also the works of William Glasser, Terry Lynch, Joanna Moncrieff, and Peter Breggin. All the latter are certified psychiatrists.
Sounds like Catani and Mazzarello are more concerned about making money than learning, discovering,making art, or doing science. At least Leonardo is dead so they can’t hurt him.
Why not “diagnose” a dead man? Psychiatrists have no physical markers for locating any of the diseases they invent. My guess is the APA frowns on “armchair diagnosing” since that will let the cat out of the bag about what frauds they are.
ECT is effective in adults because it causes massive brain damage rendering them childish and easy to control. It’s also wonderful because it’s a sort of surgery (destructive) showing that psychiatrists are really honest-to-gosh medical doctors after all.
I haven’t been “heard, respected, or helped” by many working for “mental health” since I was labeled. Those working for centers adopt a certain attitude toward the “SMIs” in their care.
This attitude is one of condescension to inferiors. I imagine ethnic minorities get a double or triple dose of this smug, patronizing treatment.
I have forgiven the men who lied to me and damaged my life. But I will not claim they did me a favor. Nor stop fighting the institution of abuse which treats law abiding citizens the same as sadistic serial killers and punishes people for grief, Lyme Disease, or entering the Foster system.
Quit punishing those who suffer Psychiatry! Quit mutilating grieving widows, battered wives and the elderly by frying their brains. Quit forcibly drugging abuse victims, people with head trauma or digestive problems, and children who squirm in class.
Jennifer maybe you should relocate. You aren’t dependent on your parents. I’m not sure why they were concerned. Because you were “too” exuberant I guess.
If you were paying your bills and all the stuff adults are supposed to do they were misguided to even worry. Let alone have you locked up.
My parents–and others–were frustrated at the profound malaise I showed. Laziness they called it. But they wondered why the “meds” didn’t fix it.
Most “NAMI mommies” are themselves hapless victims drawn in and deceived by those frauds called psychiatrists.
They wonder why their adult kids become less able to care for themselves the more “treatment” they receive. Often they wind up burying the offspring they truly wanted to help lead an independent, quality life. 🙁
I can’t post links here, but on BeyondMeds.com archives Monica addresses how NAMI deceives everybody. Including family members who believe they’re helping.
They’re merely misguided. It’s the well-informed liars, with no compassion or moral compass, who deserve the blame.
Was that a grateful consumer praising the EC they had undergone? Wow.
I believe others have praised it after surviving it. Stockholm Syndrome perhaps. Or the Sunken Cost Fallacy.
The APA doesn’t list Stockholm Syndrome or Munchausen’s by Proxy for good reason.
To shrinks, Stockholm Syndrome is just “good insight.” Munchausen’s by Proxy makes you a “concerned caregiver.”
The reason I haven’t commented more is I haven’t experienced shocks.
But they ARE brutal. Random acts of brain damage. Like all the “help” shrinks offer.
They differ from neurologists in that their sole purpose is to destroy healthy brain tissue to make people dumb and helpless. It’s not about saving lives or improving the quality but turning us all into domestic animals.
This is electrical shock we’re discussing–not drugs or counseling.
And it is not the same as corporal punishment. If EC were viewed as punishment it might be banned for being cruel and unusual. But since it’s viewed as medical treatment you have can’t make the same legal arguments against it.
How about pride that you survived being lied to and about? Being tricked or forced to abuse mind altering drugs under the pretext they would “correct your brain chemistry”? Possibly brain shocks, imprisonment, and poverty?
That you figured out you were being conned and managed to go off a bunch of drugs as addictive as heroine with no help at all except an online community.
I can’t remember the name of the shrink who put me on 10 mg of Haldol. Caused some terrifying seizures with eyes rolling back and tardive psychosis. (Yes, that’s a thing.)
The “doctor” told my parents Haldol never, ever caused that kind of thing. Either I was faking it or it was my “schizo effective disorder” to blame. Looking back some of the orderlies–who treated me kindly because I gave them no problems and nicely pulled my pants down for the injection–reassured me the Parkinsonism, eye rolling, mini seizures were common and happened all the time. Hmm..either the shrink was pulling a fast one or knew less than the CNAs and orderlies. Take your pick. 😛
I bet at least 90% of all psychiatrized folk would show marked improvement if taken off all their drugs. Most of us weren’t that out of it till the quacks got hold of us.
A question the APA has never even asked itself is “What is sanity?”
To my knowledge they have never written a profile of the ‘Mentally Healthy Ideal” they cherish. It would probably stir up controversy if they did. Each would want the MHI prototype to be an image of himself. 🙂
As someone labeled Bipolar 2 I believe all my “manic symptoms” were iatrogenically created by shrinks. I started out depressed and anxious. They helped by causing full blown psychotic mania with drugs like Anafranil.
They said i would need a bunch of drugs forever. That my reaction to Anafranil proved I was “defective” and I deserved a life of agony/premature death as punishment.
Got off their neuro-poisons. No more mood swings. My family is amazed. We realize now that mainstream shrinks are full of it. 😛
Full of themselves. Which is kind of the same thing. 😀
A therapist/counselor is like a spouse. An abusive one is far worse than none at all.
I quit seeing one when I realized the sessions were pointless. I kept talking about my problems in a loop like a hamster’s wheel. It did not help they were all in the pay of the “Mental Illness” System and basically just parroted stuff like “A disease like any other” and “be sure to take your meds.” In essence remind me I was hopelessly diseased at my innermost core and I should give up all hopes for my future. More depressing than a therapy session with my cat. 😛
Many do benefit. I did at one time–but the good stopped after I was diagnosed SMI. The label made them write me off as hopeless.
If cigarettes, cold medicine, and nutrasweet can cause birth defects it’s a safe bet that psych drugs do.
My own theory on the “autism” epidemic is too much screen time too early in life. And “diagnosing” is extremely profitable. I believe they’re drugging the “aspies” now from commercials/news clips I have seen. (Is there a difference?)
Also the article published here about how the latest scientific research shows no difference between the “schizophrenic” brain or the “autistic” compared to the normal.
I agree with you–assuming ED enjoyed her reclusive lifestyle. From what I have read she willingly chose it. Her sister was also considered a failure (unmarried back then) and enjoyed an active social life.
Psychiatry creates insanity through the drugs it tricks or forces people to take.
When I saw Dr. M at 20 I was depressed and anxious. Thanks to the Anafranil he prescribed I went 3 weeks without sleep and had a terrifying break from reality. The experience was so scary I did anything shrinks told me after that to prevent the very breakdown THEY had caused.
Interesting they call him a “madman.” He was mad–or angry at the loneliness and rejection he kept experiencing.
Eliot Rogers could have used some help. Not from being locked up and tortured but simply someone willing to reach out to him with compassion. One true friend might have made the difference. 🙁
Articles like this completely ignore those of us who experience terror AND dry mouth etc thanks to taking the drugs. You complain to the quack. “How come I’m loonier than ever?’ He tells you the “meds” never ever do that and yells at you for “non compliance” though you take the drugs that mess up your thoughts and cause seizures. All you did was “pill shame” by honestly telling how they effect you.
Psychiatry is gas lighting. Pure and simple. They made me question my sanity until I totally lost it.
Psychiatry exists to “other” individuals by labeling them “schizophrenics” so their communities will segregate them and help psychiatrists sell mind altering drugs by force.
I have two friends killed by standard psychiatric “treatments.” If either had known about the survivors’ movement she might not have died. 🙁
Psychiatry has messed up my digestive system. I’m glad I escaped when I did. It was killing me too.
Btw, someone should ask shrinks who mock the idea that “mental illness is just a social construct” why drapetomania never made it into the DSM. Benjamin Rush firmly believed in it.
My “meds” caused mood swings. Much more stable emotionally off them.
Glad I have more control over my emotions since the temptation to let bitterness and gloom take over is powerful right now. Part of grief at my wasted life I guess.
Part of it wasn’t just brain damage from the shocks but the humiliation and trauma of her ordeal in the institution. At least she had grandpa and grandma to save her from being locked up or dying on the streets.
It’s safe to say most shrinks are not Platonic philosophers. Yet mainstream psychiatry has subscribed to a dichotomous notion of the flawed versus the ideal real.
The unaltered sufferer is the “flaw.” The mad scientist sees himself as a godlike creator of the ideal as he alternately fries, cuts up, or chemically damages the brain of his hapless test subject.
It’s indeed odd how they think taking away people’s ability to work, have relationships, or live independently is an improvement. But acknowledging the damage would force them to accept responsibility. What’s a god to do? Blame the victim of course.
It’s like the ending to Alonzo’s Oil. The source of injury was discovered by the detective work of a non medical amateur (me.) And removed.
But the damage is real. And not all reversible.
I’m grieving that I’ll never have a family. And all a tragic hoax!
At least I can appreciate things like music, beautiful scenery, and human interactions again. Not dead inside.
Sadly I long for companionship more than ever. But am a childless old spinster with no friends in a small rural community. Struggling financially in isolation, I weep almost every evening. Things look pretty bleak.
My condolences Ann. “Antidepressants” ruined my own life.
Anafranil triggered psychotic mania in me back in 1993. Couldn’t sleep for three weeks. Was called “bipolar” for having the audacity to get sick on a psychotropic drug prescribed by a doctor who didn’t care my life was ruined.
25 years on a “cocktail” including the same class of drug that caused the problems.
Yes.
The truth is the “medicines” given/forced on people correct nothing. There is no pathology to correct. The chemical imbalance is a filthy lie. And the only way to think straight is to flee the SMI Lobotomizing Machine.
You might wonder why they don’t give us an extra $300 a month to rent an apartment. It would save the bureaucracy money. But it’s really all about segregating the “crazies” from the “normals” just like doing all they can to prevent us from becoming gainfully employed. The Vocational Rehab is a crock of bull. Their real job is to keep you from getting “uppity.” They told me I was “delusional” for wanting to work for the local newspaper even though I had a BA in English and writing experience.
Demanding financial compensation for crippling and defaming is not incompatible with capitalism OH. Extreme medical malpractice and libelous slander by calling law abiding citizens a menace to society.
As far as chattel slavery goes, it was not psychiatry. Szazs himself took care to point out they were different.
Psychiatry can also be compared to a cult, a snake oil selling medicine man, a drug dealer on the streets, Dr. Fata who pretended healthy folks had cancer before crippling them with chemo, an abusive partner, and the Holocaust.
Psychiatry itself is an alternative–to community support, holding criminals responsible for their behaviors, eating right, and legitimate medical care for Lyme’s Disease and countless other ailments doctors ignore in order to sell SSRIs.
A big reason communities push psychiatry is it helps them write off the suffering and annoying folks. Then they can pat themselves on the back for ignoring the outcast since “I’m not a professional. Only licensed professionals should talk to bipolar freaks like Mary.”
“….it’s (anger) probably best tied to stories of actual physical or emotional abuse.”
Okay. So is anger justified after being lied to and about? Being called hopelessly insane and drugged out of my gourd and having my system wrecked so I can’t leave the house some days thanks to 25 years on a cocktail?
Google the name and read the horror stories of those he crippled and killed for dollars. That is the psychiatric racket. Only it’s legal when shrinks do it. 🙁
Well, in Robert’s defense, part of MIA’s readership wants a new form of psychiatry, believing it can be rehabilitated. We disagree, but we are “radicals” even here.
A lot of ex slaves were terrorized or murdered by the “night riders.” Or continued working on the same plantations “voluntarily” since they had nowhere to go.
You could call share cropping a kind of halfway house.
This is as stupid as letting car manufacturers conduct all the safety tests on the cars they put out to market and not having anyone else hold them accountable. Conflict of interest should be obvious.
Time for Big Pharma to recuse themselves from judging products safe. But, since they won’t, they must be forced to.
Never took lithium. Sounds nasty. I’m posting this article to Facebook and tagging the friend whose cousin swears he can’t live without lithium. At least W is benefiting from the placebo effect. 🙁
Actually the myth of mental illness is tough to define.
For example the myth of Santa Claus is a magical man in red with a white beard and big belly flying to different homes on Christmas Eve with gifts for kids.
The myth of mental illness is more nebulous. Is it cognitive impairment? Or moral impairment? Or chronic unhappiness/distress? “It” is supposed to be a chemical imbalance in your brain.
Touched by Fire gives the idea that the “mentally ill” are geniuses. So not cognitive impairment.
Chronic unhappiness or distress? Why is that supposed to be a disease?
The public likes the idea that bizarre or vicious crimes are all “symptoms” of the mythical disease. But then Dr. Torrey says not to confuse bad behaviors with illnesses. So looks like it’s not moral impairment either.
And the chemical imbalance does not exist either. Dr. Pies is livid anyone would think he was ignorant enough to believe the lies he refuses to correct.
How would demons fit in with a Pollyanna worldview?
I sought out a deliverance minister myself once. (Protestant exorcist.) My choice. Those who reject the supernatural and the Christian worldview would say it was all hypnosis or I was susceptible to the power of suggestion. That’s okay. I would not force it on anyone. It doesn’t work if you’re unwilling.
He treated me more respectfully than any shrink I have ever known. He did it all for free too.
It helped end my suicidal desires and depression eventually. I learned techniques from him that helped me finally banish the Evil Voices for good. Coming off the drugs helped me too.
If you don’t like or believe in that, that’s okay. I WOULD oppose forcing this on anyone the way shrinks do. Only consenting adults.
The government does not finance exorcists the way it does shrinks either.
The psychiatrists portray themselves as serving two functions.
A. Healers of diseased people. The “mildly mentally ill” or the “severe cases” if they have good insight and take 10 drugs at a time without question.
B. Saviors of the “normal” folk from the dangerous “SMI” ogres running around. If they are given full control of society and allowed to reign as absolute monarchs they will rid the world of crime.
“Bipolar” is more lucrative than “schizophrenia.” For Dr. Quackenbush and his twin brother Mr. Quackenbush the CEO of Phake–the major pharmaceutical company.
“Schizophrenia” usually only requires one drug. Though they tend to add on more. (It’s shrinks we’re talking about!) “Bipolar” requires at least 3 drugs. An SSRI, a neuroleptic, and a sedative. Though they may do 5 or 6 or more.
If you could force or con someone into buying 3 drugs or 1 which would you choose? (Assuming you didn’t have a conscience.)
Not anti-allopathy. BUT…when we consider how every medicine works by overriding basic bodily systems (except for supplements) shouldn’t more doctors practice minimalism in how they prescribe things?
At least with antibiotics you only take them for 10 days. But when it comes to long term drugs, physicians should be especially careful.
Sam, my family has been more supportive than most. My parents are realizing psychiatry did not help me and are surprised how much better I’m doing now.
Julie’s parents also were in her corner. Have you read her most recent article published here?
A lot of homeless people wind up that way BECAUSE of psychiatry. They can’t find employment due to work gaps from “treatments” and the drugs causing real disability. And their friends/family want nothing to do with them thanks to the label or are so emotionally abusive they prefer the streets.
It enhances the self esteem of the “undiagnosed” by tearing a minority down. Similar to how racism “works” for non minorities.
Ever read “The Lottery” by Shirley Jackson? *Spoiler.* Readers wondered why the people of the nameless community want to kill a random person. Sacrifice to some corn god? Literal witch hunt? My guess is the town needs someone to pick on every year. And–until she “wins” the draw–the woman stoned thought it was okay too.
Psychiatry is our real Lottery. It defines our nation more than Power Ball.
Yes, wandering down aisles and talking to yourself or other “odd” behaviors are perfectly legal. Psychiatrists like Torrey and “concerned” PR guys like Jaffe are responsible for the irrational fear of harmless eccentrics.
Ideally a friend or family member would have talked to your brother. Likely he would have found them less intimidating than a police officer.
EVEN if he had reacted aggressively they would have realized he was beside himself and not pressed charges.
I am no longer suicidal. (Long story.) But if I knew a woman close by who was I would ask her to stay with me and offer her moral support till the desire passed.
I’m NOT embracing stereotypes. But I have known mothers beside themselves because their “kids” of 17 or 18 lose touch with reality and talk to people who aren’t there.
You would maybe tell her to wait it out till the kid snaps out of it. But if his/her bizarre behaviors keep everyone up all night and those around her urge her to get “help” saying he will never get better otherwise, what do you think the stressed out, sleep deprived woman will choose?
They should have seen that the ex-slaves were given more than the clothes on their backs after being set free. “5 Acres and a Mule” would have been great if it had materialized.
Would the anti-psychiatry folks like those who are severely out of it (“mentally ill”) wandering around homeless muttering to themselves? Unable to meet their basic needs? Even–in rare instances–pushing people in the paths of oncoming subways? (There was talk of this happening in NYC.)
Would they like folks so unhappy they can’t–or believe they can’t–get out of bed not be able to talk to anyone or get over their overwhelming sadness?
Anti-psychiatry people need to be able to answer questions like this. Rest assured people will ask them.
“Lumping an individual person…into a clustered group of diverse behavioral symptoms is badly motivated and asking for–perhaps even INTENDING–bad outcomes.”
It probably is intentional. Helpless and dependent lifelong consumers is a great business model.
Does someone who experienced a bad reaction to anafranil deserve to be lumped in with child molesters and serial killers? Once women in my church found out about my “diagnosis” they tried to make me quit teaching Sunday school. Since the “severely mentally ill” hurt children according to shrinks.
Saying “mental illness” is a myth IS dangerous. To psychiatrists.
No absolute monarch likes being deposed. Plus–once the truth comes out–a lot of people will be very angry at the liars who stole away health, earning potential, and killed people. (Not counting suicide. Psychiatric drugs KILL.)
The solution to abusive counselors is simple. Allow the person being counseled to fire them at any time without having to give a reason.
IN THEORY we could do this at the Mental Illness Centers I attended. But in actuality this was discouraged or even punished in the underhanded ways centers have.
I hear voices–but it’s by choice. I write fiction and work out bits of dialogue between writing sessions.
That man might have benefited from the Hearing Voices Movement. Psychiatry obviously wasn’t helping him if he’d been in “treatment” since he was a child.
Child molesting is a crime. There’s the legal system for folks who do this stuff.
And by calling those monsters “mentally ill” shrinks insult all the other people they “treat.”
I prefer to call psychiatric labels defamation of character.Once a law abiding citizen receives one he or she is treated worse than a convicted felon. In many ways.
I disagree with this article that labeling ANYONE hopelessly insane and chemical lobotomies will help them.
Btw, I highly recommend Peter Breggins’s Youtube videos on “The Violence Initiative.” A very underhanded attempt to lower birth rates among POC (eugenics) by aggressively “treating” young African American men. Our good friend the APA is behind this creepiness. And almost no one is holding them accountable.
Oldhead has been sick. So is it all because he has “subsumed reactionary political views and is unable to come to a strong anti-psychiatry anti-psychotherapy anti-recovery movement position”?
I’m opposed to psychiatry because it hurts people.
I have had two friends die directly from psychiatric drugs. As prescribed.
One had seizures from a neuroleptic, hit her head during a grand mal, and died at 29.
The other had been on a cocktail for years. Suddenly her decline accelerated. She went to a nursing home. Took to bed and all her organs began to shut down. Died at 49.
Right now there can be no legal justice since shrinks are breaking no laws when they cripple, defame, and kill. Changing the laws by discrediting psychiatry as a legitimate medical branch is essential.
But people who use cocaine buy it on the street. They aren’t deceived into thinking they need it like a diabetic needs insulin.
Even if you’re okay, there’s a risk of an SSRI triggering an episode of “psychotic mania.” That can get you labeled “Bipolar” and put you at the bottom of the totem pole so you can never climb up again. 🙁
A doctor who falsely diagnosed patients with cancer to sell them numerous rounds of chemo would disable people. This does NOT prove they had cancer to begin with.
Nor does destroying people’s brains and other organs with drugs, shocks, lobotomies, etc. prove they had a disease to begin with.
I guess “doctor” Pies is not used to debating. Petty tyrants who rule with an iron fist have a hard time talking to their serfs as equals and are unaccustomed to making a rational defense of their tyranny.
It must stink to have to give an account to others when you’re used to playing god. 😛
Shrinks make lousy philosophers. Name calling, strawman arguments, and accusing the opposition of wanting to kill you does not a sound argument make. Pies sounds–dare I say it?–downright paranoid. Guilt is making him go Lady MacBeth it seems.
Where are these death threats or rants? Maybe on the dark net. But certainly not here, nor MadBlogger or AuntiePsychiatry.
It stinks not being believed. Oddly enough I took to telling crazy stories after a few years of “treatment.” I guess I decided no one believed me anyhow so I told a lot of over the top stories. More dramatic at least.
The weird thing is I had always been scrupulously honest before. I couldn’t tell truth from falsehood at one point. 🙁
What I presented was not a Strawman argument though. Many argue in favor of drugs, shocks, etc. on the grounds that the brain must be at fault. You can find such an argument made by Jaffe in his review of Anatomy of an Epidemic.
Sam, I’d say only a few here do. I don’t and many others don’t.
Reducing it all to class warfare is a gross oversimplification of views expressed, even for most commenters who espouse socialism. Not all of us are socialists either.
(Of course the bizarre comments stand out of the crowd.)
I had problems before I got psychiatrized.
I’m against class warfare and covetousness.
Emotional suffering is real enough. But since there is no KNOWN link to brain problems how can psychiatrists fix it? How can random acts of brain damage help anyone?
If you read Anatomy of an Epidemic it’s not some massive conspiracy. Or it didn’t start out that way. Drug companies found they could make big buck$ selling fake remedies for coping problems and trauma.
Psychiatrists were desperate for enhanced status and prestige. They were mostly ignorant of how their prescriptions worked. At first.
Now there are a lot of cover ups. Big Pharma makes more money than any other industry in America. And a hefty chunk comes from drugs no one needs.
I meant we don’t hear about the “treatment” they went through.
We always hear about the shooter’s “mental illness” even if a shrink has to “diagnose” him posthumously.
These experts always go on TV to demonize those they say they’re “helping.” By attributing murders to “mental illness” they’re implying all those they label are would-be murderers. Character assassination is an act of compassion for shrinks.
This idiocy leads to a lot of circular reasoning.
So, Dr. Quackenbush, why did the mother murder her two preschoolers?
Simple. She had Bipolar.
How do you now she had Bipolar, Doctor?
Because only a person with Bipolar would murder two small children.
Steve, I think there’s a time and place for the emotion of guilt like other negative feelings. Like anger it can be channeled to make us more sympathetic and conscientious individuals.
Mine was exaggerated as a young adult–leading to a few melt downs. I sought psychiatry out to cure my violent and sexual thoughts. Anger and lust. It replaced guilt with shame. You don’t DO bad things; you’re just a hopelessly bad person who deserves to be flung on the garbage heap. Existence was now a sin.
Selective bio-calvinism. Only a few are totally depraved due to bad genes/broken brains. There’s no redemption for them, just shunning and torture from the rest of us genetically superior saints. 😛
When you stop recovering you die. That’s how it works.
What if psychiatry makes someone sick and they are bedfast or homebound so taking care of basic needs is a fight?
I’m recovering from psych damage like many here are. Sorry us getting over ECT and drugging makes you angry, PacificDawn.
Denying “mental illness” is one thing. I don’t believe in it either. But you claim none of us are hurting or in pain. I find this callous dismissal of yours annoying–even infuriating.
Watched the video. That was a very weird statement by Warren. “The moment I had feared since he was born.” ?????
Did he think as he held his newborn, “Oh no. He’s gonna kill himself some day”?
Is he claiming to be psychic? Or maybe his weird idea caused a self-fulfilling prophecy. Or maybe he was just being a drama queen and made an over the top statement that popped into his head during the interview.
Rick Warren is nuts. He’s now embraced quantum mysticism. Which is to quantum physics what psychiatry is to neurology.
And if someone goes on a murder spree while under psychiatric “treatments” we never hear about it. Since it’s always “in spite of” and shrinks can do no wrong. And the media has too many drug ads to “pill shame.”
My grandpa urged me to go off at least some of my “meds.” My parents and I shook our heads. Didn’t he know that “science had proven crazy behaviors are chemical imbalances in the brain”?
Grandpa knew what he was talking about. He hadn’t been deceived by the shrinks’ cock and bull story.
They’re polysyllabic to make shrinks sound like the medical experts they long to be revered as. But they’re really as scientific as the insults of a playground bully who ridicules smaller, weaker children to puff up his own ego. He teaches other kids to call the weak outcast “stupid,” “dummy,” “loser,” “slow poke,” “retard,” “wimp.”
Psychiatry. The profession for overgrown bullies in lab coats.
Matt might not have killed himself if he had given psychiatry the finger. Thus invalidating the gloomy, hopeless labels that made him hate himself and wish himself out of existence.
I’m not some DSM label. I’m a human being!
Rejecting psychiatry’s lies and drugs cured my desire to kill myself.
Without SSRI’s there would be no “bipolar” epidemic. Therefore shrinks and Big Pharma are determined to push them everywhere.
More “bipolars” means more people you can legally force feed 3-6 drugs instead of just 1. Who cares about the lives ruined and dreams crushed? Cha ching! $$$$$
OH, the fact so many homeless people have psychiatric labels is confusing the cause and effect, IMO.
It’s hard to find a job when brain damaged from drugs and psycho surgery. Plus not having a job makes you less marketable–and explaining long periods of unemployment as “I was in psychiatric treatment” is not a good idea.
Not saying group homes are good. But my friend has been drugged and treated like a child so many years she can’t care for herself. Szazs realized this was a problem psychiatry itself creates.
Despite talk of more institutions, in Indiana at least, they are shutting down more state hospitals. My brainwashed friend–a proud “mental patient” was upset when she told me this.
I think this is a good thing–in some respects. But it may lead to homelessness too.
Yes Steve. “Moral materialism” refers to consumerism and greed. “Philosophical materialism” is basically monism which psychiatrists subscribe to.
Many non psychiatrists do not. I don’t, and was surprised to find this is an a priori position of psychiatrists. Minds do not exist, according to Pies, Jaffe, Torrey and the rest. I had always thought, till recently, they had an actual pathology to work with. Wondered why they never used blood work or spinal taps to check the chemical levels in our brains.
It’s troubling too, that Big Pharma is so tightly coupled with the massive bureaucratic government. It owns all our politicians thanks to legal bribes called “campaign contributions” from the lobbyists representing these corrupt businesses.
I agree DS. Psychiatry is a natural outgrowth of the philosophy of materialism. It emerged about the same time materialism became widely accepted by intellectuals in the late 18th century.
All bad behaviors stem–not from bad choices–but bad biology. Moreover, using the bio deterministic premise, the psychiatrist believes he can predict suicide and crimes before they happen through “symptoms.” These are composed not just of bad behaviors, but harmless quirks, expressions of emotional suffering, and what could be considered strengths in the mainstream population. To a non psychiatrist.
The whole concept of “Mental Health Day Treatment” is profoundly insulting.
“You’re all alike.” Despite what those godlike shrinks said we were vastly different people thrown together with no common traits except being drugged out of our gourds and segregated from everyone else.
The “classes” were dull and so stupid they would insult anyone who wasn’t too sunk in their own self worth to get upset at being talked to like an 8 year old at age 38. 😛
Btw, that’s my experience. I’m not trying to bash Cody or anyone else in that circumstance. I’m mad at the folks who run those centers/groups. And that’s always been a patronizing “Normal telling us how hopelessly sick and crazy were. In my experience.
Stephen, on some level I sort of chose the scapegoat role. I have always had poor coping skills and been too sensitive and cried too easily.
I wish I had been made of tougher stuff like my siblings. One thing this society frowns on, it’s sensitivity. Be a steel bowl, cause they smash the china dishes.
Bob, thank you for Mad In America. Thank you Laura Delano, if you’re reading.
I have a story similar to Laura’s, but I was in the System for 23 years. I already read Glasser where I discovered psych treatments are no different than street drugs. But without sites like MIA I never could have gone drug free and escaped the System.
John, I can’t speak from personal experience. But I imagine court ordered/involuntary would be far worse than my “voluntary” role as a deceived patient. Abusers don’t like it when things don’t go their way. If you are “ungrateful” and “non-compliant” they will take it out on your butt. Which belongs to them.
“Your soul belongs to Jesus. Your a** belongs to me.” Could have been spoken by a shrink. They don’t want your soul since most are materialists and if they believed in souls would assume the SMI don’t have them like Real People. But they do own your butt quite literally and can get 6 toughs to wrestle you to the ground and inject you with maddening neuro-toxins.
I had always been a willing patient till my escape. By “willing” I mean I acted on the deception presented as medical information.
But I knew from the beginning if I were naughty there would be severe punishments. 😛 I mean “treatments.”
“A bumper-sticker phrase that saves time.” Or just a bald lie to trick folks into taking drugs and forcing others–including small children–to take them.
Sickening! Why should anyone trust a doctor who routinely practices this level of deception on his patients and the public? Would you even buy a used car from this character?
Assuming there was something wrong with someone’s brain–since they have no idea what the problem is–all bio psychiatry consists of is lots of mind altering drugs and other forms of random brain damage. It’s not “like insulin for diabetes.” They have no idea how they’re screwing with the human neuro chemistry. It’s not like removing cancer from the brain the way a neuro surgeon would.
Know why I’m radical? I’m very angry at being lied to. By NAMI, the psychiatrists, everyone in the Mental Illness System. They also lie about us, and slander the character of their patients. No other medical specialty does that. 🙁
I read that article by Doc Pies in the APA Journal. The cold-blooded fraud and his fellow cons seem to be laughing up their sleeves at the “uninformed” public they pulled one over on. Disgusting!
Escaped this grotesque hoax after 25 years. Living in poverty, crippled from the fake “medicines.” I feel like one of Dr. Farid Fata’s victims. But no one will listen to people like us. So the inhumane barbarism continues!
It’s just destroying normal brain functions. They could achieve similar benefits with baseball bats, icepicks, and street drugs like heroin and meth. Only that would not LOOK like real medicine. It wouldn’t LOOK scientific. PR is all that counts after all. 😛
They did effect me. The SSRI known as Anafranil kept me awake for 3 weeks in a row. Brought on psychotic mania–for which Dr. M blamed me.
#patientshaming is my rebuttal to #pillshaming. The latter hash tag is just the psych establishment’s attempt to cover its naked rump with a kleenex. Not hard to see through.
I have had acquaintances tell about police breaking into their homes with guns drawn though they weren’t breaking the law or violent. Why? Suicide calls.
As dumb as it gets. Reminds me of a Gilbert and Sullivan opera where a man is going to be executed for attempted suicide. Dumb, dumber, dumbest….
Because that way they can dismiss worsening of hallucinations, depression and cognitive decline in those they treat. And bill them for “meds” until they die.
A major problem in researching recovery narratives is many recovering survivors have gone underground.
They are afraid–understandably–of being yanked back into the system. After recovering not just from the original trauma but the trauma disguised as “treatments” by those they naively trusted.
I’m not against everything he did. Just lying to patients about having leukemia to sell them unnecessary cancer treatments and make them bald, toothless, and homebound. (If they survived.)
Tut tut. Pretty extreme of me.
Btw, psychiatrists who do not tout the bio-model exist, but they’re an anomaly. I do not know a single one in person. Most write for this site.
Where I live even GPs don’t criticize the bio model. That would be “extreme.” So they watch us get horribly sick from the drugs and die young. Yay for the “middle ground” heroes.
I think I’ll write a book about reasonable folks who went with the flow and never offended (the powerful.) How about Portraits in Moderation? Courage is SO extreme and radical. 😀
I prefer living in a Red State BECAUSE of the lack of “help.”
“If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life.” Henry David Thoreau.
I thought psychiatrists like to paint their critics as “science denying, flat earther Scientologists.” Lol.
Have actually read some articles using this over-the-top language. And they accuse “moderate” nice guys of it too. Like you Ron.
Might as well defend ourselves with a strong offense. Unlike many with jobs in the system, those opposing psychiatry have nothing to lose.
They have destroyed our reputations, careers, and everything for the crime of asking for help. Now we make our living as digital nomads in the shadows. Why beg for mercy from those who think they own our souls? Give us FREEDOM instead!
To our psychiatric overlords: Even a cornered rat will fight back. Even if you kill it you may not walk away with your nose intact!
I was not helped by my “medicines.” They exacerbated my depression and caused some psychosis I had not experienced before. Going off them has helped “cure” my mental problems.
No doctor will hear stories like mine. Just those that reaffirm their foregone conclusions. “We don’t know how the treatments work. We just know they do. If a patient says they’re not feeling better we know they’re delusional. Or they ‘resist’ our treatments and need the severe kind.”
There are many others doctors will not hear. And they try to sweep it under the rug, “Oh, I guess you never were mentally ill in the first place.” How many others would get better if they escaped? That frightens psychiatrists. So they never ask.
How to get out of the revolving door? If you ride the darn thing in circles you will never get anywhere. So quit riding it.
Maybe they assume MLK was “middle ground” because he encouraged pacifism. The two are NOT the same. Tyrants have a long history of regarding pacifists as enemies of the state. And not without reason. 🙂
If a psychiatrist pets puppies or feeds kitties good for him.
But those are him acting as a human being. Not a “doctor.”
Psychiatry as a branch of science is not about healing but destruction of the brain and other body parts. And defamation of character without due process.
I’m not against everything X does. Just everything Dr. X does to his “patients” with drugs, labels, shocks and any other brain damaging surgeries. Quite likely Dr. X acts out of ignorance rather than cruelty. But the damage is real.
I have suffered myself and continue to do so. Your words come across as harsh and unkind.
Whose suffering have I dismissed? I have described my own experiences. If you and others can’t find a “silver lining” I don’t wish to shame you.
I do wish to end the injustice of psychiatry, but that will not undo the damage causing my body to ache head to toe on days like to day when I’m home bound. It won’t help me find a decent place to rent.
Please think of that when you accuse me of “meanness” and get hostile to others who try to make sense of or transcend their pain.
Trying to treat depression by altering the brain chemistry…isn’t that what alcoholics already do? The big difference between an alcoholic and a “meds compliant consumer” is one regularly visits the bartender. The other sees a guy who claims the soul is an organ and the drugs he pushes will save it.
If a bartender were found to be kidnapping former customers and forcing them to drink copious amounts of Scotch or whiskey he would get in big trouble. And he can’t bill Medicaid for the booze.
If one said, “Hey, since trying this herb you recommended I can’t sleep and feel nervous all the time,” you wouldn’t double the dosage. (Then forcibly inject it when he/she demurs.)
White supremecists do a lot of what Freud called projecting.
I think projecting may be behind some of the over-the-top articles posted by elite shrinks on the APA Journal about the “vast underground anti-psychiatry conspiracy.” If they weren’t shrinks–and therefore the epitome of cool reason and sanity–you might call this paranoia. 😀
As RW points out in Anatomy of an Epidemic we already have brain doctors–neurologists. We already have folks who help with philosophy called psychologists.
Psychiatrists attempt to treat “disordered” souls with mind altering drugs. Even as far back as Shakespeare and Hawthorne people realized this was something doctors could not do.
Part of how I convinced my religious parents it was okay to go off the drugs a psychiatrist prescribed was reading Dr. Pies’ piece about how dumb people were to think psychiatrists actually believe in chemical imbalances. He also harps about the philosophy of materialism and the a priori assumption of monalism. (Must be the brain because minds/souls don’t exist.)
My dad is a retired clergyman and theologian. When he read the article he actually snorted.
Mom has opted out of going on more drugs for her depression. I’d like to think this canary has been of some use to the coal miners. 🙂
Is there a “medication” for cowardice? Cowardice is to fear what depression is to sadness.
But cowardice benefits psychiatry since they can use it to force “insight” admissions and threaten the “non compliant.” So I doubt we’ll see any anti cowardice pills soon.
Cowardice also motivates reporters to stick to “middle ground” position and not offend the all powerful Experts though they know innocent lives are being destroyed.
Sadly many continue to suffer in the meantime Dragon Slayer.
A support system for going off these neuro toxins is nice. But good luck finding one in most areas.
My only support system was the virtual community: Surviving Antidepressants. The folks there know more about SSRI withdrawal than most doctors. Because they actually help people go off. Hard to be good at something you refuse to even permit.
Life coaches can make over $200 an hour. They don’t work for Mental Illness Centers and generally look down their noses at everyone in that system. No way folks like us could afford them.
They have a rule not to work with the “mentally ill” either and will usually refuse services to anyone with a label–I hear.
Of course there are a wide range of coaches. Career coaches can be helpful if you want to think over employment options. Finance coaches can help figure a way to get out of debt. One coach I actually hired was a “blogging coach” just starting out. It was nothing like psycho therapy.
If you don’t like a coach you can say, “Forget you!” and fire him/her. Not so easy with “therapists” at community centers. I fired my last one and everyone responded with gas lighting. “You must have imagined she said that since she’s ‘normal’ and you’re nuts.” A lot of pressure and nags.
But I put off getting a new one till I carried out my escape plan. Then I ran.
So you believe Rick Warren pulled the trigger to stage Matt’s murder? Why???
Btw, his cognitive dissonance is astounding. “My son despaired of life on these ‘safe and effective meds.’ Since they did NOT help him I want to force them on everyone since I’m sure they’ll save their lives.”
But idiocy and first degree murder are very different. Rick Warren is now dabbling in Quantum Mysticism. A movement physicists laugh at.
If we can ban involuntary psych “treatments” and ban false advertising along with educating the public, psychiatry may be destroyed since we’ll cut it off at the knees.
Right now many grateful “consumers” will attack our movement along with the entire medical profession (all doctors) every branch of government and nearly everyone else.
Szazs himself practiced counseling on “consenting adults.”
Of course the problem with counselors assigned by your “mental illness” center is they are paid to keep you drugged and in the system. Keeping people miserable and helpless is their bread and butter.
The majority of the “mentally ill” would spontaneously recover if properly tapered off the psych brain drugs. With no other help. This is obvious since “recovery” has plummeted from 70% to 10% since psychiatry started pushing their cursed brain drugs everywhere.
Would you prefer 10% (with Parkinsonism, seizures, brain damage, premature death) or 70% in seeking medical options? If you were a “doctor” who made big bucks from repeat customers you would prefer the former. But patients feel differently.
Remember the lying cancer specialist who told people they had leukemia to sell them lots of chemo? Psychiatry is a branch of “medicine” composed entirely of Farid Fatas.
In The Screwtape Letters Lewis’s unreliable POV character talks about how they long for the day of the “materialist magician.”
Materialst Magician sounds like psychiatrist to me. Their DSM is spells and curses. They rely on potions and amulets. (Placebos.) Instead of summoning spirits they work with “chemical imbalances” they know don’t exist and laugh up their sleeves about.
Articles like this make me more anti psychiatry than ever.
I plan on taking the message public when the time is right. But it will be for regular people. No sense wasting time on psychiatrists who have a vested interest in preserving the status quo.
A lot of the “mentally ill” and many others would like to know the truth if I can persuade them.
Yes. No legitimate medical branch defames its patients this way. That’s why there is no anti-cardiology movement or anti-gynecology movement.
Without “stigma” they would lose their real power and they know it.
The Middle Grounder looks at the evidence presented on the damage done by psychiatry.
“Yes. Those medications seem to not help people. They shorten lives and destroy bodily organs. But why adopt such a crusading, militant tone? Why this irrational movement of zealots out to destroy psychiatry?
“Just because your life has been destroyed is no reason to get all radical and try to stop those who harmed you from hurting others.”
What is wrong with those people? Their “moderation” comes across as cowardly and cold blooded.
I guess I never experienced it; I don’t even know what the letters stand for.
None of my “therapists” followed any real theory. Some helped a little–or would have if I hadn’t been drugged and labeled. Many just repeated, “Take your meds. Realize you’ll always be insane. Take your meds. Don’t follow your dreams, or have dreams. Take your meds….”
The true enemies of science are those who use “anti science” and “X denier” as political buzzwords to silence dissent. How is that any better than prosecuting Galileo for his theory of the heliocentric universe?
Krista from where I am now, I find your advice helpful as well as motivating.
But I don’t think Katel is coming from the same place you and I are at. There was a time reading something like that stirring comment would have made me gloomier than before.
My cat has been shunned by other kitties. Her own litter mates drove her away from the barn where she used to live. Abby is a sweetheart and tends to walk away from fights with other cats.
She lives with me now. We’re both happy with the arrangement. 🙂
Steve, I think there’s more than economics at play in our culture’s embrace of bio-psychiatry. A lot of us are selfish pigs.
Thanks to the concept of Mental Health we don’t have to pat someone on the back. “Sorry you’re feeling depressed. Let’s discuss it over coffee. Then, if you feel like it have dinner with my family and we’ll watch a movie together.”
Now we say, “Your depression is a disease like TB or leprosy. Please see a doctor and take meds to fix it. I’m not equipped to deal with you since I’m not a certified professional. And please stay away from my kids in the future.”
On the positive side, my “diagnosis” cured me of perfectionism. I no longer had to play the role of Perfect since I had been assigned the one of Madwoman.
My parents were not perfect, but the real abuse came from bizarre, controlling adults at church. Like sometimes good parents discover their kids are being molested. (Someone Else’s situation.) Church can be a very good thing. Like an extended family. If a family turns dysfunctional though, you need to set some boundaries. Now, as an adult, I can finally. 🙂
My family was more accepting of my choice to leave psychiatry than I dared hope. Going was my idea (originally) to “fix” the problem that I was too smart, interested in abstract ideas, and bored by pop culture. 😛
I have felt, since my mid teens, like I was an embarrassment to my family.
As a preacher’s daughter I was in the public eye–on a small scale. Instead of open rebellion I became obsessed with winning approval by being as thin as possible, wearing the appropriate amount of makeup, earning good grades but not showing off my intelligence in public (unfeminine.) Not to mention currying favor with high ranking, wealthy parishioners and kissing the butts of the nastiest elders’ wives who would make trouble for Dad otherwise.
Sadly I could never say the Right Thing all the time. Mom would take me aside often and harp on my social inadequacies and failings. Nothing was good enough!
I learned it wasn’t about Jesus or holy living but looking good and keeping up appearances. And kissing up to the “right people.” 😛
I took after Dad. I read a lot, was interested in ideas instead of things, and couldn’t figure out what came naturally to other girls. Like talking for hour after hour about nothing. Or expressing interest in a guy without actually telling him. Or keeping abreast the latest fashion trends and pop culture.
At 15, after a prolonged period of homelessness I felt responsible for, I decided to go quiet and try to become invisible. Since everything I said or did was wrong and brought shame upon my family.
As the new girl I made an easy target. Serious, bookish, and quiet. A group of the nastiest male students would describe graphic sex acts to me in the halls. Try as I would to conceal my distress and ignore them–which everyone told me to do–my face would look weird and my body would tremble. The sight of my emotional pain brought them exquisite delight. But none of them were “diagnosed SMI.”
According to the APA that kind of bullying is healthy and normal. Lol. (Maybe the psychiatrists who write the DSM identify with school bullies. Or enjoyed bullying weaker kids when in high school themselves.)
This led to severe social anxiety at 18. Too afraid to leave my college dorm room.
I readily believed I was SMI when told, unhappy as the diagnosis made me. What else could it be? I “knew” there was something terribly wrong with me since I couldn’t win the love and approval of all I met.
It relieved my family a little–shameful and scandalous as the label was. At least they understood why I couldn’t play the stupid social games to perfection! (Ever tried social hobnobbing and butt kissing while drugged out of your gourd? It’s a bummer!)
Dr. Fred, I sense you want to make reparations for what you have done. Perhaps your conscience troubles you. 🙁
I never had you “treat” me but as a member of a group wronged by members of your profession I want to offer you my forgiveness, even as I hope to be forgiven for my trespasses.
FWIW, Dr. Peter Breggin was threatened with the loss of his license by NAMI.
So…even if a psychiatrist is reprimanded it could just as easily be for doing the right thing as something unusually bad (and not covering it up cleverly.)
Seems like our society as a whole assigns the blame to the one who’s “too” emotional, speaks unpleasant truths, or is weaker than the rest. These are usually those who “lose it” from stress and get punished for it by shrinks and others. 🙁
Well, part of our focus on the role of psychiatry is that that’s what this site is about. If this were a site about abusive parents/partners/religious cults there would be more conversation about THAT. 🙂
I understood neuro plasticity to be a form of healing.
Btw Sam, many here have suffered horribly from the MH system. But I haven’t heard any regulars say their lives were idyllic before. Julie Greene was in an abusive relationship which caused a lot of other problems leading to the ED she sought help for. Frank admits he had an “episode” due to stressful crap in his life. KS was abused as a child by her parents and others. I moved around a lot and struggled with attachment issues since I gave up trying to make new friends in my teens. Betrayal by an older woman friend who got my dad fired and my family evicted for petty reasons. Two prolonged periods we were forced to stay with relatives since Dad couldn’t keep work due to his lofty idealism. Two years of sexual harassment in high school and the teachers laughed when I told them. Went off to college but was scared of people….stuff adds up.
Let the guilty off easy by punishing the innocent. (Assume all “bipolars” and “schizophrenics” are guilty of horrible crimes they will commit if they roam at large. “Untreated.”)
Lock up the innocent eccentrics in a warehouse with violent rapists, serial killers, and child molesters. All “bipolars” are exactly alike after all. Then tell yourself what a benevolent good guy you are while you pocket what Big Pharma paid you.
When I read this I thought, Folks will accuse this writer of victim blaming.
But there really are people who love these labels. Even “hard” ones. Kay Redfield Jamison built a career on being “bipolar.” It’s her personal brand.
I read a Xojane article where the writer describes how happy she is to know she’s depressed. Which makes you laugh if you think too hard.
I have also known (a very few) nasty individuals who used “mental illness” as an excuse for abusing spouses, partners, and kids. And seen reports of serial killers who were glad to use the insanity defense to escape full legal penalties.
Not just guns. The “MI” already have no Second Amendment rights. A lot of do-gooders want us all locked up in institutions. At least the “severe” cases. “Softies” described in this article who like to talk about the “brain disease called depression” will probably be left to lead almost normal lives and praise the miraculous SSRI drugs. Assuming they don’t have a reaction like I did and wind up labeled “bipolar.”
Yes. These poor oppressed psychiatrists are the only ones actually affected by the diagnoses they hand out. Alas!
We lowly SMI scum can’t appreciate how ONLY these poor professionals endure the stigma. Not even their $100,000 a year can compensate for the bigotry they alone must endure.
For those of you not forced to take neuroleptics I’m sure what they suffer brings tears to your eyes. *Sniff.*
Even if you take the drugs that make you suffer you’ll still get punished. Shrinks have angry tantrums when you have the audacity to sieze or fall over or have heart failure or diabetes while faithfully taking their poisons. If you don’t magically improve on massive quantities of drugs you must be #pillshaming. 😛 Like forcing people to wear balls and chains while making them simultaneously run laps.
They’ll lie to your friends and family. “If she would only take her ‘meds’ she would get better. They NEVER cause people’s eyes to role back in their heads. She’s crazy or lying and faking it.”
Cause gas lighting is what they do best. Can’t win for losing.
Shrinks talk about the stigma of “mental illness.”
Americans–and the Western world–stigmatize sadness. It’s viewed as shameful. Stupid to need a permission slip from a doctor to excuse not grinning ear to ear 24/7! 😛 Why the heck do we have to PRETEND we’re happy all the time?
During the Black Death folks were miserable, but they weren’t shamed for it or forced to fake a stupid grin when weeping was called for.
So Bcharris, do you recommend a paleo or vegan diet for maximum health? Or maybe pescovegetarian?
Yes John, the “mentally ill” eat a lot of junk food along with guzzling quarts of coffee and chain smoking in a desperate attempt to counteract the horrible feeling those drugs create.
Now I drink a cup of coffee a day. More makes me overstimulated. I’ve lost 11% of my body weight and hope to lose more.
Sorry about your situation. I realize you–and many other case workers–are not medical professionals and if you spread misinformation it’s because you’re also deceived.
While I was working out a MH escape plan I remember a worker at day treatment telling us to eat right, exercise, and always take our “meds.” I thought how sad it was he honestly wanted to help us. But taking the “meds” was the opposite of healthy and would undermine the benefits of the first two.
Szazs would agree that many embrace the role of madman or madwoman.
I hated mine, but never questioned it. I felt there was something wrong with me. Everyone expected me to be someone I wasn’t. Sweet, soft-spoken, fine-boned, slender, blonde, never angry only gentle tears under the worst circumstances, smiling nearly always. The Perfect Preacher’s Daughter.
At 20, after I was labeled “Schizo affective” thanks to a bad reaction to Anafranil I hated myself. Couldn’t quit thinking of ways to kill myself.
They told me no one could ever love a crazy freak like me. Also I could never even earn an independent living since no one hired SMIs. Not like I could work full time. 🙁
I did Number 1 on the list. But as a consolation prize. I really believed I was a sick, crazy monster.
It was a relief to realize I wasn’t hopelessly insane. But at 45 my life is mostly over. Not sure there’s much of anything worth saving. 😛
Janebeth, are you in a situation where you could adopt another kitty? Pounds are always desperate to find homes for adult cats who make excellent pets if given the chance.
My dad adopted a stray, but couldn’t keep her because the other house cats bullied her when her leg was damaged and she couldn’t live outdoors. So Dad gave Abby to me and visits her regularly. Everybody is happy now.
Abby is so happy someone loves her at last. 🙂 So am I.
Starting over at 45. Kind of the reverse of you Jane.
My goal is to be earning enough to go off all benefits in another 3 years. Feeling well enough to work part time from home. I can also keep a decent home–even by HUD standards. And find social groups outside the MH ghetto.
My health is slightly improved after being drug free for 19 months. My mysterious heart arrhythmia righted itself and I’m no longer borderline diabetic. Could be MUCH worse.
Speaking from personal experience when I first took a tiny amount of the neuroleptic Stellazine I had been suffering severe social anxiety as a college freshman. It shut down the part of my brain used for tensing up so I made friends and could stay on campus.
Looking back though, alcohol would also have had similar benefits. “Exposure therapy” would have been the real answer to my problems.
Like how Szazs described “mental illness” as a role people play. Educators know it’s harmful to label a kid “stupid,” “liar,” “lazy,” or “worthless.” But somehow they think these names help them.
Yes. To her credit Kelly Brogan is using her medical license and knowledge to undo the damage psychiatrists have done and helping unhappy women–often with nutritional deficiencies–to avoid the SSRI/SNRI gauntlet offered by psych ex-spurts.
Get medical training in neurology, a legitimate branch of medicine that actually does deal with the brain. Or, if you actually like people, become a counselor like Peter Breggin and other old school “psychiatrists.”
I believe you. So can Peter Breggin, RW, and countless others.
But hard evidence is no match for propaganda like Big Pharma ads, TV shows, and catchy soundbites. People believe what is simple and easy to understand. If an idea is too complex they dismiss it as “paranoid conspiracy theory.” Why bother trying to understand the whole truth when little lies are easier to grasp?
Sadly even credentials, research, and platforms aren’t convincing people. Probably because off this site many do not read books. They get all their info off TV shows, medical leaflets, local NAMI groups, and word of mouth from family doctors.
Also giving people these life long badges of shame (“schizophrenia” and “bipolar”) for having temporary break downs is the exact opposite of helpful. Along with the crippling drugs.
But that’s assuming psychiatrists wanted us to lead healthy, productive, independent lives.
I’m sure you don’t dismiss what patients say, I mean. Sorry. I appreciate what you have done and are trying even if I don’t agree with all you say here.
Seriously, I predict this getting angry and fighting those asking them for humane treatment will blow up in these psychiatric head honchos’ butts. Or faces…whichever.
Saying you oppose human rights is not the best PR. No other (legitimate) medical branch could get away with it.
And that Dr. Torrey is why there’s an anti-psychiatry movement. Cardiologists aren’t actively opposing human rights for heart patients. 🙂
“Great Scott! What’s the world coming to? Must psychiatrists treat their test subjects humanely? How outrageous!
“What’s next? Cancer patients claiming the right to refuse unlimited rounds of chemo on the spurious grounds the cancer specialist can’t prove they have leukemia?
“By George, this is unsettling! How’s an honest-to-gosh science guy in a lab coat supposed to make monthly yacht payments with all this nonsense about human rights, ethics and other anti-science stuff?
‘Pardon me while I go puff up like a blowfish.”
Thus spake Dr. Ariel Castle at an APA awards banquet.
Dr. Joanna you can never fully appreciate the torment these drugs cause if you haven’t taken any. Emotionally versus chemical reactions. I hope you listen to what your patients say and don’t dismiss it, but I’m sure you don’t.
Haldol (10 mg) caused me seizures, Parkinsonism, and worsened my OCD and caused full blown psychosis during my fits. No one believed me. 🙁 The doctors told my parents I was lying and if I took those drugs (I did! I did!) everything would be fine.
It’s over…thank You God! But being drugged for 25 years–on a cocktail between 1994-2016–has left its mark. My life never will be a good one even if it is a few years longer.
Most shrinks realize “bipolar 2” cases brought on by SSRI/SNRI reactions would go away if they just let you go off the poison and recover. But that would be pill shaming.
So they exact revenge on you for daring to have a reaction to the “meds” which can do no wrong and they have gone on record calling “safer than aspirin.”
My sister is allergic to penicillin but no doctor spread nasty rumors about her and forced her to take a “cocktail” of benadryl, advil, and double the original amount of penicillin till she died. Yet that’s exactly how psychiatry works.
I missed that part about the therapist. Surprised one would admit those “lifesaving medicines” could hurt you. My guess is she or he runs an independent practice. Am I correct Jane?
The depression lifting near the end of the taper is what I experienced too in coming off Effexor after 23 years on SSRI’s and 25+ years on one psych drug or another. But mostly “cocktails.”
Your story is a great example of the “patient shaming” psychiatry routinely practices. “Our pills are magic. Yet you gained a bunch of weight, can’t hold a job, make friends, or even clean your living space. What’s wrong with you? It can’t be the fault of the stuff we prescribe. You’re just not trying. Let me double your medication.”
Both are based on what cannot be scientifically proven and promise to cure the dark side of human nature. Many people “choose” to follow psychiatrists’ orders despite the sickness and misery it produces out of fear the “mental illness” will make them do horrible things otherwise. Even harm other people.
FWIW my religious faith stopped me from suicide. Not any “help” from my (mostly) well-meaning but clueless psychiatrists.
Dumping my faith in psychiatry has given me a new lease on my original faith in the Man of Galilee.
Faith is not about the irrational but the invisible. Not all faith can even be called religious.
I have faith a country named China exists though I have never visited there. I have faith the food I eat is not poisoned though I can’t run lab tests on it. I have faith that the earth is a sphere and revolves around the sun. Yet I have never been to outer space.
A lot of religious people are scrupulously honest too. Because of their kindly, simple hearts they don’t believe nice Dr. Brown could tell outrageous lies and sell mind altering drugs by comparing them to “insulin for diabetes.”
They can’t know. So…to be safe..they assume all visitors are diseased, the drugs help (though they say they don’t know WHY) and the physical disease actually exists in the brain. Since–they assume–minds do not.
Nearly all traits associated with “schizophrenia” are highly unflattering. So whatever the name is it will be insulting and cause discrimination in all who take it seriously.
Psychiatrists have determined the term Schizophrenia to be stigmatizing. So they’re replacing it with the alternative diagnosis Crazy Creepy Psycho Disorder.
Yes. When a woman is lactating she’s very vulnerable to micro nutrient deficiencies.
Also the situation of bringing a newborn home is very stressful.
In the old days this was helped by having an older woman–mother, sister, sister-in-law help out while she adjusted to motherhood. However, even back then, new mothers would stress out. Like a lot of Weir Mitchell’s victims. Anyone read “The Yellow Wall-Paper” by Charlotte Perkins?
Yes JanCarol. The closest thing to voluntary patients psychiatrists have are people desperate to end their unhappiness–but unwilling or unable to make necessary life changes or simply deal with negative circumstances. So desperate that–though the doctor or psychiatrist tells them the drugs fix no known brain problem but may make you feel better before giving them. Silly how many would think it scandalous to get pills or injections from street dealers to feel good, but if a man’s a doctor it’s okay. (Doctors have dealt illegally with drugs too. Further complicating things.)
I don’t believe in mind altering drugs to feel good and am angry at being lied too despite no “involuntary” imprisonments or AOT sentences. I did what I thought was the responsible thing to do–not just for me but those around me. As a result my finances, relationships, and health are ruined. And I’m forced to mooch off my aging parents who aren’t happy about the “help” I was given either.
To be fair no psychiatrist ever told me that Steve.
But numerous workers at the Mental Centers where these professionals work did. Countless supportive family members–the real brains–told us this at NAMI. Pete Earley admits this is a falsehood on his blog–can’t do links here–but says if it makes people take their “meds” it’s okay to lie.
Yes the insulin is actually heroin. We can’t prove you have diabetes.But don’t you dare stop taking the white stuff. For rea$on$. 😛
“Outside the body” is a metaphor since souls don’t occupy space and are not substances. Independent of is what I believe.
I have read monist psychiatrists ridiculing the “idea that the mind is a separate substance in the brain.” Perhaps they think the concept of mind or soul we hold is ectoplasm similar to the glowing slime in Ghost Busters?
May not be a Strawman Fallacy. Psyches are incomprehensible to these psychiatrists.
Even atheists like Szazs believed in the power of mind over brain.
Dr. Coleman, if you want to help people with legitimate medical problems causing gloom or weird thoughts/behaviors I am all for it. 🙂
That, however, is not psychiatry. You don’t visit psychiatrists for anemia, thyroid disease, Lyme’s disease, or brain tumors though they’ll gladly label you with “Clinical Depression,” “Schizophrenia,” or “Bipolar” if you do.
You misunderstood me DJ666. Psychiatric drug addict. All my drugs were prescription and coerced.
SSRI’s are highly addictive.
Since “DJ666” is plugging this new wonder drug, let me plug the site SurvivingAntidepressants.com. It helped me–and countless others come off those highly addictive toxins. Effexor has been compared to heroin by someone who took both and she said it was harder to come off of.
I might not have made it without my friends at the online community and the advice they gave. No doctor could give this advice because they refuse to take people off–with a few rare exceptions. (And if you suffer withdrawal they blame you and put you on more drugs.)
The people running this site are all volunteers working out of the generosity of their hearts. They do not get paid for these services.
And they are not paying ME to sell anything either. 🙂
Two part poll for people officially “diagnosed” with “Bipolar 2.”
1. Did your psychiatrist claim an SSRI unmasked the “symptoms” you never had before using it?
A. Yes
B. No
2. What did the psychiatrist prescribe the SSRI for?
A. Depression
B. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
C. Other
Moral injury–unlike physical or emotional–can only be done with the consent of the injured. Lack of moral backbone–as Madmom says is the big problem leading to “moral injury.” Do what is right and you won’t damage your conscience.
Btw, when I hear high ranking shrinks enjoying wealth, power, and fame whimpering how stigma really only effects them i laugh out loud. Like some Grand Wizard saying any opposition to the KKK is racist. And it’s all directed at him personally. Bwahahaha!
Well if I conduct it for journalistic purposes OH, I don’t need to follow scientific research guidelines. Polls don’t require doctorates come to think of it. They conduct them on the 6:00 news all the time.
And it’s not just feelings but the “diagnosis” of a “medical expert.” You need the legally valid psychiatric label of Bipolar 2 to take it. Is it scientifically valid? No. Is it socially valid? Many here say “mental illness” is a social construct. It can really alter your life.
I too have struggled with misanthropy Lcostanzo. Many survivors do–long after withdrawal has ended.
My solution? Unconditional love. Still a work in progress.
Realize in rejecting the “mentally ill” the undiagnosed seek justification for their own failings. In rejecting us they are rejecting the dark, ugly sides of themselves they refuse to own. They are not so much EVIL or delighting in cruelty as foolish and careless of others.
Plus it’s impossible for “outsiders” to fully understand the agony psych drugs cause us. My best friend was shocked when I told her how dead and miserable I felt under the influence. For some reason I seldom complained about THAT, though I whine a lot.
Probably knew no one would listen; just one of those things I had to put up with. Plus I didn’t want to hurt anyone and feared I would if undrugged.
Psychiatry has indeed overreached itself by telling 20% or more Americans they have brain diseases rendering them hopelessly insane “without treatment.”
Like the McCarthy hearings, the Salem witch trials, and the Reign of Terror in 18th century France–we have reason to hope that this cruelty and mass paranoia will collapse under its own weight. How many psychiatrized people are enough? Just like there were endless “commies” and witches and traitors the APA refuses to say, “This far and no farther.” More and more “consumers.” Never enough for the bottomless pit of Pharma Psychiatry.
McCarthy had his breakdown on live TV. Citizen Robespierre finally had his own date with Madame Guillotine.
Soon, the members of the APA will be reminded that they too are but men and not God.
It’s worth noting psychiatric “help” leads to poverty, poor health, and segregation. It forces you out of the workforce and estranges you from your nearest and dearest. And doubles your aging speed. I don’t look it, but healthwise I have the body of a 75 year old. I’m 45 and took at least one psych drug for over 25 years.
Side effects include spontaneous combustion of the head, stomach acid eating its way through internal organs, and behaviors associated with rabies. Should any of these occur, contact your doctor immediately. Especially the first.
What does “anti science” mean? Luddites who reject post-Industrial technology? Christian Science members who believe the physical universe is an illusion? Or simply a fellow scientist with a theory another rejects as unscientific and leads to a struggle between them and their followers–based more on egos than mere difference of reasoning patterns?
It’s a highly elastic term meaning whatever the scientist or pseudo scientist wants it to mean. (Like “dummy.) It saves time and energy needed to present a rational argument.
Plus psychiatry is an easy way to get rid of or brush off members who suffer extreme pain. Instead of hours of pastoral counseling to a depressed member going through divorce/job loss/loneliness, you can tell them to shut up and take their meds. Then pat yourself on the back for being a good Christian. 😛
So, why do you suppose mainstream religions have embraced psychiatry instead of regarding it as a threat? Most Christian preachers wouldn’t urge members to convert to Buddhism for example.
Yet I have heard preachers urge people to seek “help” from psychiatry. Directly from the pulpit.
Short term use for 4-6 weeks may be okay. These pills correct nothing but if someone is really stressed they can help them chill. Not as addictive as Xanax.
A short term remedy at best though. Like using sleeping pills to break an insomnia cycle.
And, I know, OH it would only be a consenting, informed individual over 18. Wouldn’t need a psychiatrist for this. No lies about “broken brains” or “chemical imbalances.”
I remember one physically violent guy who was angry at being there. He really wanted to hurt the staff but could have hurt anyone in his way if allowed to go on a rampage.
His anger was justified but so overpowering he might have hurt someone. I have been very angry/irrational at times when my cocktail was highest. Now I can control it better.
I’m deeply concerned how many people urge battered wives not “to be afraid to get help from a psychiatrist for the disease of depression.”
I urged a woman in one forum not to take SSRIs since she needs her wits about her to escape. Plus she may get a harder diagnosis (like bipolar) and wind up unable to work, and losing custody rights to her husband. Plus the court will be biased against her due to her label. Egregious and unjust as that is. 🙁
Labeling someone “schizophrenic” is a great way to ensure that they never marry.
Even if they find a fellow outcast compatible the drugs make it hard to make relationships work. And the government will punish you by docking your income by more than a third. Great way to discourage “criminal types” from breeding.
I always wanted to marry because of my parents’ happy, respectful union.
When I was labeled SMI at 20 I realized I would probably frighten all but abusive creepers away. Good guys shun “schizos” after all. 🙁 For years I was inconsolable.
A search engine. But they also have a bunch of other services like Google Docs and gmail.
I hope the monopoly will be broken up if they censor enough people. There virtual empire is already threatened by “vertical search engines.” If I were tech savvy I would be designing a search engine that would allow users to block out sites they dislike and vote “up” on those they do. 🙂
My condolences Theresa.
Tell the shrinks what they want to hear. They are holding your son hostage till their demands are met. This will make them relax their guard till you can help your son escape the Hell between his ears.
Or once you have the audacity to complain about a drug causing seizures, heart arrhythmia, your weight doubling over a few months, uncontrollable vomiting, hallucinations you didn’t experience before, horrible depression, etc.
I never knew to what to complain about in the “side effect” department since most would deny it or shrug it off as no big deal even if it was listed on the thing the pills came with saying you should report. I learned early on reporting problems was futile and kept my mouth shut about anything negative. Shrinks only hear what they want and dismiss anything negative as delusions/poor insight/agosognosia/personality disorder/fill in the BS. Or they think your premature death by multiple strokes, seizures, or heart attacks is a risk they’re willing to take for Big Pharma kickbacks.
It’s perfectly legal for shrinks to kill patients in the US if they do it by “standard treatment.” Lost two friends to that. Not suicides. Not mistakes. “Standard treatment side effects.” 🙁
(By mistakes I mean bungling the dosage or forgetting allergic reactions. Karen’s shrink knew she was seizing on her drug and thought that was acceptable for her. By her I mean the shrink. Plenty more where Karen came from.)
Labels exist Oldhead. Biologically valid or not.
I want to show the public how even using drugs for “soft diagnoses” like depression/anxiety can ruin your life with a Bipolar 2 label rendering you a degraded non-person in the public’s eye. And a non-citizen with no legal rights at all.
Knowledge of neurobiology can come in useful in revealing and repairing damage done by psychiatry so don’t poo poo that.
I would survey those already labeled by psychiatrists as Bipolar 2 to discover how many were fine till a shrink messed with their brains.
Btw, my parents roll their eyes at news about “antidepressants” now. Mom said she was surprised how much better I am off of them.
And the horse tranquilizers creep many out. More skepticism is occurring even though there are few true “anti psych” people are around. Dr. Phil yelled at a mom for putting her kids on ten drugs apiece through three different doctors.
🙂
Okay. Not attacking you Alex.
So, you’re not protesting his earning a livelihood so much as overpricing it?
Btw, I wish someone would do a survey on people diagnosed with Bipolar 2 to find out how many cases were triggered (“unmasked” the mental illness makers call it) through SSRI use for depression or some off label purpose. Do you need to be a professional to conduct one?
If my writing never pays–the interesting stuff probably won’t–I will have to find another way to earn a livelihood. Using up time and energy that could be used for writing.
Don’t you charge something for the services you offer?
The laborer is worthy of his hire.
I only had one psychiatrist I could call truly evil. On the other hand–out of more than a dozen–only two or maybe three talked to me like a human being. They will only listen to you (generally speaking) if you say what they want to hear.
If you say, “Gee doctor you’re so intelligent. These medicines you prescribed make me feel great. This Zoloft is a life saver.” That they will listen to and use as evidence that what they’re doing works.
If a “consumer” says, “This Haldol is giving me seizures and while I seize I have terrifying hallucinations.” “I haven’t been able to sleep since you put me on Anafranil two weeks ago.” “My depression is worse than ever on Prozac. Can’t quit thinking of suicide.” Well all those patients are clearly delusional and should not be taken seriously. Except you should lock up the third. That will teach him to be treatment resistant! 😀
Things are certainly different now. Even though most guys don’t find obesity attractive they are happy with healthy looking women. Glad that part of the eighties is over! 🙂
Depends on how far you get into it. But my late depression is because it stems from bitterness and lack of faith as well as ingratitude. I had a friend lie in bed and refuse to get up or let his family know he was alive because he was bitter at how his life had turned out. Anger turned inward.
Yes, I have been depressed and have been very much so lately.
But it comes and goes like any other feeling. My life sucks– largely because of psychiatry. I have a right to feel very sad.
Not sure it will ever go away for long. Because–oh yeah. My life stinks and will never get better!
Psychiatrists only make your problems 10x worse and pretend your rotten life situation is irrelevant. That’s why these guys are worse than useless in solving any problems. Physical, social, or spiritual. Worthless physicians.
Jonathan, I was always dieting in my teens. Anorexic eighties.
My mom, my aunt and every other female friend told me it was impossible to be too thin. All the boys wanted us to look like Callista Flockhart or Kate Moss.
I went off to college desperate to find a husband. I wasn’t fat but far from that lean and hungry supermodel all guys demanded. In my religious subculture you only have a narrow window of time to marry if you’re female. Between 18 and 22. On your 23rd birthday you’e well past your prime since all the guys are taken and you might as well be 46. The colleges are 70% female and female curves make guys think you’re a slut I suppose.
I never could become thin and pretty enough. But I’m sure all those laxatives and crash diets and 3 day fasts for the beautiful body my rotten genes denied me messed me up long before I started SSRIs at 21.
Morbidly obese now, hopelessly alone and middle aged I stay at home and cry with my cat. Still less depressed than on those darn drugs. Tears feel better than that undead zombie state psychiatrists call “good mental health.”
Fatal Attraction meets One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.
My dad frequently remarked on how nutty everyone running the System was. The “crazy’s” were too drugged up to think straight. The real nuts were the sanists running the thing. 😛
The woman who got me diagnosed BPDS actually fits the “symptoms” better than me. But because she slept with a different guy every month or so and never bonded with any she thought she was emotionally sound. 😛
Congratulations Madmom. Your daughter is blessed to have you helping her.
Was in the System for 25 years. Mom almost took me to Canada to see Dr. Abrams but couldn’t. She and I kept telling the doctors I hadn’t been so out of it till the Anafranil kept me awake 3 weeks. No one listened. Till they told us it proved I was crazy by “unmasking” some brain disease that couldn’t show on MRIs.
Finally off drugs for 18 months. Mom is happy. She gave up years ago. I did till I read RW and others.
“I’ll see you at the malls!” While the others held her back from physically assaulting a “patient.” Sounds like one emotionally stable woman with great interpersonal skills. The epitome of reason and a bastion of sanity. 😀
The best situation for a psych test subject to be in is where they thoroughly deceive the deceitful abuser. Kiss up to them. Never complain about “side effects” since they don’t care and are capable of doubling or tripling the drug making you deathly ill as an act of petty revenge. Absolute power does that to people.
Flatter them nonstop. Like a rape survivor I heard who tricked her captor into thinking his kidnap and rape had made her fall in love with him. He took a shower and she escaped. Pretty stupid to think his cruelty would win her undying love and loyalty. But a surprisingly large number of power-crazed people think that way.
A friend of mine watched how shrinks drugged her sister to death and encouraged me to flee the system afterward. 🙁 They kill people. They treat us worse than lab animals.
The big problem with psychology is its association with corrupt drug dealing/brain mutilating psychiatry. If a psychologist or counselor wants to help people they have to start their own practice. Work at the mental illness center and you have to tell folks to remember they’ll always be “bipolar” or “schizophrenic” and promote the drugs the shrink prescribed. Then yell at the “client” for not trying harder or skipping “meds” on the sly (though you lack proof) when they deteriorate on the 3-6 mind altering drugs Dr. Frankenstein has them on.
Btw, Eric Maisel, I know you reject the bio model and work independently. Probably for the reason I describe. Please don’t take this personally. 🙂
Like the priesthood, psycho therapy has a number of sex predators. Only no one believes those preyed upon by the corrupt therapists. (Which is why they do it.)
Going through life with a medicine head is pretty disabling.
If someone were forced to go through life on “therapeutic” levels of Nyquil that kept them from thinking straight that would likely ruin relationships, prevent gainful employment and lead to early death.. Just call the narcotic syrup life saving medicine, claim it saves the lives of those you keep doped up, or prevents them from killing others (because you say it does.)
Psychiatry in a nutshell. The only disability I had was the one they gave me.
Wow! Sorry Fred.
What was Dr. Gestapo mad about? That you managed to escape and he would make you pay for doing so well?
I have to see MDs for physical problems caused by the years on drugs. I have a “mental health” center I say I go to but don’t. Getting rid of my label is very important to me.
Even here people laugh it off as no big deal. But until I get my “diagnosis” changed I’m not safe around any doctor and can be institutionalized if ever discovered. Being denied the rights of citizenship and possibly locked up without due process is no joke.
Anesthetics are used short term for surgeries. Not for a lifetime. Big difference.
Most people don’t want to sleep their lives away. And most wouldn’t take this crap if they weren’t deceived by drug companies, social workers, and doctors they think they can trust.
These people will not get accurate information from traditional sources. 🙁
I’m sure the APA is tinkled pink. More folks taking horse tranquilizers=more psychotic breaks. Which means more bogus claims the drug “unmasked” a condition they couldn’t find before. How convenient–for shrinks! Because the drug’s so addictive psych doctors can fool people into thinking they “need” their “medicine” to fix the imbalanced brain chemistry (well informed) shrinks secretly laugh at.
Just like Anafranil messed my life up. At 45 I feel like a woman of 75.
When do you think Big Pharma will alter adhesives (slightly) to sell as inhalants for the desperately unhappy?
I was taught not to abuse mind altering drugs as a kid. The “mental illness” makers told me repeatedly these were different–non addictive brain fixers. Turned me into an unwitting drug addict.
Lots of street drugs can alleviate depression for a little while. So can huffing rubber cement in a bag. But you can’t bill insurance companies for model airplane glue–gosh darn it! 😀
Think about it. They can try pointless, brain damaging regimens of drugs and psycho surgery on “patients” against their will–often killing them as a side effect of Standard Care. All against their will since the “SMI” don’t know what’s good for ’em and “no” means “yes.”
Why not extend this same line of reasoning to euthanasia?
“Yes, Mrs. Mable says she wants to live. But as a Paranoid Schizophrenic she’s delusional when she thinks her life has meaning. Better do the humane thing and put the poor sicko down immediately. Aren’t we humane?” 😛
I believe Szazs would argue she had a right to kill herself but the doctors shouldn’t get involved. After all you don’t need a medical degree to end a life.
Kind of pompous of doctors actually.
I refrained from suicide as a matter of conscience. I owe psychiatry NOTHING in that respect.
Thanks for sharing, Nic. Dr. Brogan has written a book supporting this. A Mind of Your Own.
It’s worth noting psychiatrists who work at “mental health” centers do not treat thyroid conditions or other endocrine problems nor nutrient deficiencies. I suffer anemia and thyroid problems but seek help elsewhere. The same with proven brain issues like Lyme disease.
SOME psych doctors may check people with depression for thyroid levels or the other conditions you mention. I have been to a number of health centers and clinics and not one ever mentioned checking for these. Even GPs frequently overlook these concerns if you bear an SMI label. 🙁
Varun your story about the effects of the drugs you had been told to take–how they killed your ability to smile and act human–got you accused of “non compliance” made me want to cry.
Been there. Done that. Kept getting accused of going “off my meds” in college when I kept having Parkinsonism and mini seizures from 10 mg of Haldol. The psychiatrist claimed they never did that. My dorm mom told the guidance center I wasn’t taking them or I wouldn’t have the problems the Haldol was creating! This got me kicked off campus.
Funny thing is, now that I have tapered off the 3 drugs I was prescribed for “bipolar 2” no one knows I’m off when I visit a doctor. They often say, “Wow. Your ‘meds’ must really be working well. No flat affect; you’re smiling. Emotionally stable. No longer depressed or suicidal despite your health problems.”
I smile and say the “meds” are working fine. The Placebo Effect cuts both ways. 😀
I had a couple times I experienced a weird, mild tingling sensation in my skull during withdrawal. But from the brain zaps you describe sound like something different. I was lucky that way. Also never suffered from insomnia, believe it or not.
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. At least not one run by human beings. The Big Pharma companies want as much money as possible and–like greedy, selfish people often are–have no forethought and refuse to think more than a decade or two ahead.
Like the Washington demagogues who refuse to think beyond winning the next election. Or the NAMI mommy who just wants her “crazy” kid to shut up for the short term, though she should know it will keep him from adult independence–likely forcing him to live in her basement in his forties.
“Do you want it done right or do you want it done fast?” Pharma psychiatry offers fast fixes and easy answers. Forget the long term results! This is America.
In defense of Sheriff Steve, he is the most fair minded and just moderator MIA has had that I remember. Wish you wouldn’t call names. Especially names like that.
You aren’t a psychiatrist, so the names won’t stick like a psych “diagnosis” but we survivors know words have power.
Yep. After 3 weeks on maybe 8 hours sleep thanks to Anafranil I was finally allowed to cold turkey off it.
I needed sleep and still couldn’t think straight. The good “doctor” cheerfully told Mom and me I had classic schizophrenia since the “medicine never did that to anyone.” Hearing that sent me into full blown psychosis.
Cat, if you want to contact me, my blog is lookingupliving.wordpress.com. A religious site–not about psychiatry. (Except a couple pieces.)
Like you, I’m a libertarian Gen X-er who’s mad at all the bovine excrement we’re being fed. By Big Pharma and others. Dialogue with the “mental illness” makers is pointless.
“Let’s compromise and do things my way. Bend over, grab your ankles and I promise when I hit it won’t hurt VERY much.”
B-b-b-but, Bcharis if they did that it would be “pill shaming.” Pointing out how Ritalin and SSRI drugs cause psychosis might discourage “meds compliance” and lower numbers of folks diagnosed with Bipolar 2. Which would be a tragedy. 😛
Ellie is hallucinating too. Bring on the neuroleptics!
Am I the only one to question how counseling does anyone any good if painful emotions are reduced to a brain disease? If pills are the only cure for sadness why bother talking about it since the sadness is just an irrational symptom of a disease and should be ignored like delusions or hallucinations?
I was depressed as a 7 year old. Not a brain disease. Lousy learning environment. Kept getting yelled at for knowing more than my cognitively disabled peers. SBD class for behavioral issues no amount of punishment could cure. I was a wicked child. 🙁
Don’t forget the psych ex-spurts. Can’t risk offending those either. Cause old “Doc” Torrey and his puppet Jaffe might call us mean names like “anti-psychiatry” and “scientologists” and “flat earthers.” Can’t risk offending these “Real Scientists.”
If we make nice and kiss the butts of all the members of the APA maybe we can peacefully dialogue–before they lock us up and drug or shock us to death. Lol.
Let’s see how long either of these comments stays up.
We anti psychiatry folks need to think outside the box. Social media has been doing a lot of censoring lately. Kicked the anti-vaxxers off Facebook. I’m starting to become an anti-vaxxer myself since the massive propaganda and censoring is a sign there’s something weird going on the vaccine pushers want to hide.
It will destroy Western Civilization. My 12 year old nephew was put on Zoloft for his fixation on tidiness and anxiety. Now he’s failing every subject and is indifferent to everything. His parents shrug it off as a minor “side effect of the medication.” I kid you not. How is that an improvement?
I see the boy’s being groomed for a future as a professional mental patient. Ugh. 🙁
Entertainment causes people to turn on the set. No two way TV’s yet, so they have to lure folks in. Once people are set up for hours of passive, mindless entertainment they’re ready to be mystified and confused.
I don’t think it’s all a conscious effort to make people stupid, but it has that effect sadly. Every time I have been in a psych ward there is a set blaring for 12-14 hours a day. Despite the proven fact excessive TV causes depression. My guess is the staff does it to stupify everyone further (in case the drugs left a few brain cells alive.) You see this in day cares and nursing homes too.
The idea that “bad things only happen to bad people” has been around since ancient times. Harold Kushner talks about this in Why Bad Things Happen to Good People. He speculates people like this idea since it gives them a sense of control and safety. “If I’m really good I won’t go bankrupt, my spouse won’t leave, and I won’t get cancer.” Of course this backfires if tragedy strikes despite how “good” the person was.
A major problem JClaude is people think psychiatry=help. Many “looneys” go around saying it saved their lives and souls. I have known people with lives obviously ruined by drugs and labels. Poverty, shunned by family, horribly sick, barely able to function outside institutions…yet they swear psychiatry is their savior.
I think this is due to spell-binding, being fed constant propaganda till it outweighs your real experience–like a cult, and the sunken cost fallacy.
With so many career “consumers”, institutionalizing all of them is not as financially expedient as letting them wander the community, crippled and shamed.
Yeah-I-Survived my only problem is $770 isn’t enough for a regular apartment and there’s a stigma with not working.
Every social situation I’m in I get asked, “What do you do for a living?”
One church I attended I sort of lied. Told them I get SSI for Fibromyalgia. (They said some horrible things about “crazies” later. I was right to lie.) The preacher’s wife kept demanding why I didn’t substitute teach, work in daycare, work in fast food, be a cashier. Just because moving is agony and it hurts to stand more than 60 minutes at a time is no excuse for not flipping burgers 40 hours a week it seems! 😛
I’m in that middle ground. I have never been locked up “involuntarily” if you can call being thoroughly deceived that my brain would deteriorate without the “treatment” offered voluntary. Is a diabetic taking heroine because the doctor they trust called it “insulin” a willing junkie? (Food for thought.)
Many like me are too disabled to work after years of psychiatry and need the meager handouts to live. I would have left the System earlier but a poor work history, discrimination, and symptoms like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome still keep me from gainful employment. My heart and other organs were “mysteriously” giving out. None of the doctors would tell me why or what to do about it. I think they knew. 🙁 Escaped just in time!
I knew a man called Dave who believed God was telling him to become President of the USA in 1988. Dave was treated badly by all but my Dad and one or two others. To keep from feeling like a loser Dave NEEDED to hear voices telling him he was special and would be President someday. The reality would be too painful to face. So he had “delusions” and lived in denial of reality.
Nowadays there are doctors who desperately NEED electro shocks to work because this will prove their medical specialty is legitimate and this “surgery” shows they’re more than glorified drug dealers. Plus they hate the idea that all they do is cause random acts of brain damage for “help.” The reality is too painful to face. So they have “delusions” that they’re helping their victims and live in denial of reality.
Yet Dave was crazy and the doctors are considered sane.
Psychiatry also provides the illusion of safety by blaming all violent crimes and shooting sprees on the “genetically defective criminal types.” The high ranking shrinks promise to save the public by “helping” those they’ve scapegoated.
Because they have thoroughly dehumanized us all in the public’s eye, everyone is happy to have the “monsters” locked up and put through cruel, pointless experiments. Even those who have never committed misdemeanors are treated worse than “sane” convicted felons.
If we must have psychiatry it should be kept separate from the government. When the government has the power to lock up and torture without due process only evil can come of it.
Bruce, the article you cite and link to mentions “shift in responsibility” under the part about the willingness to inflict pain.
This is why psychiatry is inherently cruel to its “patients.” The psychiatrist is not responsible to those he diagnoses as “severely mentally ill” but to Society as a whole. He is no more working for us than a prison guard is working for prisoners or an exterminator is working for the rodents he kills.
I have symptoms of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome myself. Every so often I need iron infusions and B 12 injections thanks to years of psychiatry. My body can’t process micro nutrients anymore. At least my heart arrhythmia has stabilized.
$770 a month is not enough to rent anything but HUD. (A lot of those are slums.) Even in Indiana.
You never talk to people who feel they have been harmed, only helped Don?
You accuse Dr. Breggin of knowing omission? I know I would feel safe enough with someone like him to share things most psychiatrists laugh off or blame on the “patient.”
I was accused of faking seizures, tardive psychosis, etc. Learned early on to keep “side effects” to myself. Even if they were supposed to be reported no one wanted to hear them or would listen to one of us.
Never had shocks but they sound horrid. Weird how seizures–by drugs or psycho-surgery are supposed to be good for the SMi but not Real People who count.
Pharma-psychiatry owns the media. Nowhere in any mainstream media outlet will anyone criticize Psychiatry. In fact they go to great lengths to hide negative stories.
Plenty of sites for folks to gush about the “help” they have received though.
Sorry KS. You needed and deserved info that wasn’t there.
But what about people like the blogger at Bipolar Burble who get mad at us, and want to have us all locked up because she’s scared of having her “meds” taken away? People throwing tantrums for shocks, drugs and labels?
Personal accountability is why I took the damn drugs Dr. K.
They assured me I was bipolar and my only hope for gainful employment, successful relationships, and living outside an institution depended on compliance. Furthermore I might murder someone if “untreated.”
My family assured me I was “better” and they could stand to be around me now. So, the drugs made me miserable and sick, but I took them as an act of self sacrifice for those around me.
I feel bad about living with my parents and mooching off the tax payers. But my family and the tax paying public wanted me crippled. So it’s their tough luck. By all rights Big Pharma should pay everyone in my situation $1,000,000 for malpractice and false advertising. They won’t though.
Ban involuntary psycho-surgery and drugs. If someone wants their brain damaged and ignores information put out that all ECT and drugs are is brain damage, it’s their brains being mutilated.
Sad. But Dr. K’s article would apply to people seeking easy answers for problems with living.
What about the involuntary “patients”? What about those who can no longer read, talk, or walk from brain damage? What about those who can’t remember family members? Time for them to have their say!
I withdrew by fleeing. No medical help at all. In the USA involuntary shock is standard care. If the authorities knew where I was I could be dragged back. My body can no longer process food properly so I need iron infusions regularly.
The drugs did not help me. They amplified the voices, killed all pleasure, made my weight double, and caused seizures. But no one listens to stories like mine or countless others. Time for OUR voices to be heard!
It’s good you think what they did to you was helpful Bippy. Many of us are not pleased and MIA is one of the few places we can express less than worshipful sentiments toward psychiatry’s random acts of brain damage.
I guess if they damage the right part of the brain the “patient” will stop thinking painful thoughts. And lobotomies are making a comeback according to Live Science August 14, 2018. But it’s “better” because it’s done with lazars so it looks more scientific.
While lobotomies were hip and trendy they compared psych drugs to lobotomies. Nowadays people call that “pill shaming.” Yet the principles remain the same. Where would psychiatry be without its public relations team?
I’m angry they lied to me about a “metaphor” the inner circle tries to pass off as a joke. The Chemical Imbalance Legend is not funny Dr. Pies!
Transportation is the real issue. I will have to make any plans while visiting friends in another city. I live out in an isolated rural area 5 miles from the nearest town of 1400 people. I can’t drive.
I depend on my folks to get everywhere. Was not allowed to get a license at 16 and Mom used my “diagnosis” later as a reason for me never to drive.
But if vampires don’t exist what will Buffy and Van Helsing kill?
Seriously the fact that you can make diseases magically disappear or transform them into something else lends credit to the notion that “mental illness” is indeed a social construct. Can doctors vote cancers into existence? Or turn melanoma into liver disease with a stroke of the pen?
There are groups of writers, educators and editors that assemble to vote on expressions and rules of grammar for proper writing. What I read in They Call You Crazy reminded me of those groups.
But everyone acknowledges the language experts’ efforts are social and artistic–not hard science. And they don’t have the power to lock you up, publicly shame you, or operate on your tongue for bad grammar.
Do these “scientists” have any theory of how ECT is supposed to help people? Or is it just “We don’t know how it works but we know it does (because we really want it to and it shows we’re more than drug dealers)”?
They seem SHOCKED at the idea that brain damage occurs or claim it’s minimal. Get real. No brain damage means it’s not working.
Psychiatry “helps” people in emotional distress by shutting off or destroying random parts of the brain. Nothing has changed since they started drilling holes in people’s heads or ice pick lobotomies. Just better PR and bribing the right people. 😛 And they’re crippling and killing a lot of people who would have been safe from their cruelty a few years ago.
No Bippyone.
I was referring to the woman Peter Breggin mentions at the end of his article. Sorry about the mess your family is in.
I’ve escaped psychiatry but an forced to live in the boonies with my grouchy, critical mother. At 45 she treats me like I am 12. Totally isolated except for her and Dad. Suffering from 25 years on a cocktail so working–even part time is difficult. Plus there’s no ride to work and Mom discourages all efforts to find employment with her put downs.
No housing anywhere. $770 a month is not enough for rent even in my state. Plus if HUD opens Mom insists it must be within less than 25 miles of her and Dad. Now and then she says I should go to a “home” but there are none available. (Thank goodness.)
I have heard of women like me who made remarkable improvements when the mommy they “couldn’t live without” died. I think of this and feel guilty. Hopefully I can escape before then.
Anyone want to hazard a guess why that woman gave a glowing recommendation of ECT and then gave Peter Breggin that note? It sounds suspiciously like an abuse situation. As if she were afraid of someone she knew was watching her and–perhaps–had put her up to saying what she did.
It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. ~John Stuart Mill
Like the witch Circe, Psychiatry lures us in with promises of a happy life if we drink the potion. The desperate among us do so and are transformed into pigs.
Thanks. Leaving psychiatry, disowning the labels assigned me and going drug free has helped a lot. My body is a wreck. I feel like a woman of 75 instead of 45. But my soul is no longer asleep. Great to have my mind back!
Stealing from the “consumers'” already meager checks happens all the time in the Mental Illness Factory. Not supposed to anymore than rape or physical beatings, but it does because no one believes the victims–or at least not till there are a lot of them and a truckload of evidence impossible to ignore or hide.
Had it happen to me. The old lady running the boarding home I was stuck in stole the $50 a month I needed to buy personal items like shampoo and toothpaste.
One place in South Bend was so corrupt they not only stole from “consumers” but fudged on government payments too. You don’t steal from Uncle Sam without consequences. They shut Madison Center down. Huzzah! 😀
For Dragon Slayer or anyone else, what books do you recommend for learning the history of modern psychiatry? RW’s books are great but focus primarily on modern Pharma-psychiatry in the last 30-50 years.
From my readings “asylums” began as an industry around the time of the Age of Reason and the Industrial Revolution. I think the former played a really big role in the obsession with the sane vs insane dichotomy of “mental health.”
I’m curious Sam. Do you feel you have sought to “medicate” your distress and now regret it? Are you upset the wife you speak for has chosen to do so? Or something else entirely?
That’s why I will never have children Mark. Nothing like an SMI label to destroy all your dreams and hopes for this life.
This is already happening. Crippling 20-25% of the next generation before puberty is almost as effective as sterilization. Birth rates in developed countries are in steep decline. In Europe there are actually programs and incentives encouraging folks to have kids.
I don’t see it as a conscious effort, but short sighted greed and not giving a rip about the people harmed. Western civilization is doomed–in large part thanks to the “doctors” who gladly sell poisons to trusting patients in exchange for warm doughnuts and free peeks up Yolanda, the hot pharma rep’s mini skirt. 😛
Two of my friends (at least) were killed by psychiatry. Not suicide because of the misery it created. Not malpractice. “Side effects” from standard care.
Karen was 29 and died from a grand mal seizure caused by a neuroleptic her shrink refused to take her off. Donna was 49; doctors weren’t sure what to put on her death certificate. She was on half a dozen drugs; a bunch of her organs shut down at once.
You’re right. It’s not helpful MM. NAMI has been trying the “Be nice to us; we’re different” for years. Of course with NAMI it’s more like, “Please don’t hate us because we’re defective. If we swallow all these gosh awful pills we’re almost safe to be around.”
The Mad Pride or Neuro-diversity movement tries to put a positive spin on Crazy but the notions of life long madness can never be viewed as a positive. And Kay Redfield Jamison and others have sort of been trying to prove that because an occasional “mad genius” emerges maybe society shouldn’t ostracize some members for crimes they never actually committed.
About the “inflicting pain,” I imagine there are a few cases of doctors turning to sadism. Psychiatry would be an ideal specialty for them since no one will believe people with SMI labels.
The whole thing is scary. #Notallshrinks But the psych system is a hotbed for this cruelty. Psychiatric medicine is Absolute Power. And you know how the saying goes.
Charles Ponzi and Bernie Madoff’s marks were naive and gullible but they did not deserve to be robbed blind. Nor do those deceived by shrinks deserve to have their lives ruined.
Another thing Dr. K doesn’t mention is the bizarre mindset in America that not being happy ALL THE TIME is shameful if not wicked. As if people need a medical excuse for not grinning like the Joker in Batman 24/7.
Why is this? It’s very stupid.
One example is Bella Depaulo’s impassioned argument that singles were every bit as happy as married people. A question we should ask both Dr. Depaulo and the folks conducting the survey she refuted is: who cares?
Seriously.
Maybe we need to assert our right to unhappiness. 😉
Good point.
In our society astrologers don’t collude with judges to get someone innocent locked up. “He’s a libra and therefore dangerous to himself and others.”
Prominent astrologers don’t go on TV to warn everyone about how virgos may go on killing sprees unless force fed this magical elixir astrologers sell. (Sugar water, rubbing alcohol and meth. Yummy!)
So Dr. K, if someone fed me a capsule of cianide saying it was a vitamin and I swallowed it would you say I voluntarily chose suicide when I was lied to?
There is some truth to what you say, but it borders on victim blaming.
Yes, calling depression and anxiety brain diseases instead of making better ife choices is tempting. BUT…everywhere you go people post or say stuff like “Depression and anxiety are real.” Meaning they are brain diseases. For some reason calling them painful emotions gets people mad. (Aren’t feelings real?)
The church I attend advocates for psychiatry. Tells us how “science has discovered that mental illnesses are caused by chemical imbalances in the brain.” Have gone on record saying it’s cruel to tell people to trust Jesus when Prozac is needed to save them.
It should be obvious even to non-religious types that it’s all a sell out. Helps the other members pass the buck and ignore the suffering. “Don’t talk to me. I’m not a licensed professional and might make you crazier.” Having the poor/awkward/unmarried get SMI labels makes a great excuse to give them the cootie treatment too.
No more annoying people to spoil our country club atmosphere. Not enough green stuff to plunk in the offering plate. 😛
Churches selling out to psychiatry are basically saying “Souls don’t exist. Or at least the mentally ill don’t have any. Jesus can’t save you if you’re mentally ill. You’re unredeemable or a nuisance (no real difference) so please stay at the county home where you belong and quit bothering us.”
My dad used to bring a van load of people from a county home where people too brain damaged from shocks/drugs to care for themselves lived. People went to great lengths to stop him from bringing them. Did I mention the church was really pro-psychiatry? Compassion and psychiatry aren’t synonymous. But the latter makes a cheap and easy substitute for the former!
I believe this passing the buck to psychiatry will kill a lot of churches. Why bother with attending when you can bypass the church and go straight to the MH Center for salvation? Can’t even mourn it since the church was already dead. A corpse with a lot of riger mortis. (Saddle Back.)
A friend of mine in her 70’s had stomach pain, couldn’t eat and became so weak she couldn’t get out of bed.
In the hospital a doctor she trusts told her she had a chemical imbalance in her brain and “antidepressants” would fix everything. She’s pretty frail but got out of bed. (Placebo effect? Being fed in the hospital?)
It’s a safe bet she has gut issues, but her lazy, lying MD chose to put her on psych drugs instead. Creep!
June believed him because she’s scrupulously honest and would never endanger someone for bucks.
Why are most MDs monsters nowadays? They know the chemical imbalance is a myth so that makes them filthy liars when they spread it as gospel truth.
The intolerance of emotional pain cuts both ways Dr. K. In the old days people would support grieving widows and provide companionship for the unhappy.
Now they tell you to see a psychiatrist and take some “meds.” It sounds nicer than “bug off.”
Something you neglected to mention was the ubiquitous psych drug commercials. Despite what I have told family members they find it hard to believe the pills aren’t helpful (except for quieting folks to stuff in institutions.) Cause the dancing pill commercials are so cute! And Dr. Phil says….
So Edith Sheffer addresses the “severe cases”? I guess I will read the book.
My BFFL is an educator and has been encouraging me to get diagnosed with autism. She believes it will automatically cancel out my “bipolar” label. But that goes contrary to what I see.
Even if it were valid I don’t need another XXXX label! People are cruel and hateful to everyone the least bit different. All you have to do is wear ugly paisley slacks, bite your nails too much, talk too much or too little, not be organized 100% of the time, or say something clever/creative. Bingo! You’re crazy and worse than Jeffrey Damer with leprosy in the eyes of the “Normals” who act, dress, and talk like everyone else.
“There’s no such thing as repressed memories. Or implanted. Just hallucinations and delusions of the severely mentally ill.” That’s a popular cultural narrative now.
In America the media is terrified of losing drug company sponsors.This shows not just in the news but on crime and medical dramas. Murderers are always “untreated bipolars” I notice.
“It looks like you have no idea what mindfulness therapy is.”
Not sure the perky worker who forced us to hum and empty our brains for 2 hour sessions did either. Ugh! Torture. You had to be REALLY “medicated” to sit through one of those. Most just took naps.
I referred to them as mindlessness exercises. Relaxed and dumb as possible is what mental health wants for all the clients. 😛 They love to force you to watch lots of TV too. They play it 16 hours per day in every psych ward I’ve visited.
Of course forced therapy only “works” if inflicting pain is the end goal.
Dragon Slayer what would you say to parents like MellowMack? What about those classified as “autistic” who can’t talk or take care of basic needs for themselves?
Some of us can call ourselves socially awkward or eccentric but others have real problems learning and holding down jobs. How do you explain that?
As a former voluntary patient the idea of chaining someone going willingly is stupid. It’s like they want to humiliate you as much as possible.
Police give rides to non arrested people all the time. A bunch of balogna sauce!
If you’re desperate enough to seek help at the funny farm better get a family member to drive you or take a cab. Or–better still–avoid those places altogether.
Thank you Ann and Hugh. The title of this article made me smack my head. (It’s the shrink who decides of course.)
But it offered insight for those of us who are not therapists about the frustration you may feel when “consumers” insist drugs and more drugs are the answer. I even read an article by a “bipolar” woman bad mouthing her “evil psychiatrist” because he was holding out on her and not giving her the “good stuff.” She hunted till she found one who gave her massive quantities of what she insisted she needs to feel good. This is one of those (rare) cases I feel more sympathy for the shrink than the “consumer.”
In her defense she has received a miseducation through TV commercials and NAMI that psych drugs will cure all your problems and save your soul.
As far as psychiatrists who oppose these drugs or “swear at them” yes, they exist. (Most write for this site!) But they are few and far between–greatly outnumbered by the pill pushers. Only the pill pushing kind work at centers, serve on the APA boards, or are asked to speak at NAMI conventions. During my years in the System I never met a single one who criticized the pill magic or offered to take me off or inform me of alternatives to drugs and shocks.
Methinks Dr. Andreasen’s biggest fear is enough people will stop taking the drugs and recover to prove her profession is worse than useless in helping the broken among us.
I prefer the term “emotional pain killers” for these drugs. A tiny amount of Stelazine helped me short term.
Unfortunately it deadened my ability to experience joy or feel affection. It also made me think psychiatry had all the answers. This led to an anafranil-inspired bout with psychotic mania and 3 weeks with no sleep. 😛
Down the rabbit hole for 25 years. Doing okay without any drugs now. Grieving over my wasted life though.
My condolences. Your son no doubt has a learning disability, but it sounds so different from Anders’ experience that lumping them into the same category is doing both a disservice.
As Dr. Breggin has said the human brain is the biggest mystery in the known universe. Precious little is known about it.
Have you seen the short documentary “Autism is a World”? The young woman in that can’t talk but communicates through a machine like that Steven Hawkings used.
25 years of psychiatric drugging has made me more “autistic” in my behaviors than before. Public rejection and TBI. All my life I have struggled to look “normal.” To this day I’d sacrifice my eye teeth to fit in and be like those around me.
Being yelled at as a kid for “being weird all the time” by my mom only increased my awkwardness. Ever tried focusing on NOT being weird in your pubic interactions? Great way to drive yourself nuts. 😀
“It” is an extreme state labeled a disease by shrinks. Depression is real, but it is not a brain disease. And calling it that invalidates the experience and prevents any positive changes the unhappy person might make.
Yes that does cause confusion when I have brought this up. I pointed it out to David Healy on his blog. The experts hem and haw. “Yes. Well mental actually means the brain.” “Yes we should call ‘schizophrenia’ a physical illness; not a mental one.”
But getting shrinks to call extreme states physical illnesses will not automatically end the battle. Great for making folks ask questions though. If depression is caused by a brain disease why is it called a mental illness? We don’t call brain cancer a mental illness or see psychiatrists to treat it.
Drugs and psych labels make gainful employment all but impossible. Not enough subsidized housing for all of psychiatry’s victims. And SSI payments will not cover rent in any state.
Hoping to bootstrap myself up now that I’m drug free and can write more easily and don’t need 12 hours of sleep per day. If not for my kind relatives I’d be homeless probably.
Yes. It could also be a metaphor for mindless hyper consumerism. Noteworthy how homelessness expands even as psychiatry does. Also disability rates. As RW has already pointed out if the “treatments” helped people function and lead productive lives shouldn’t the reverse have occurred?
Before I found out about all the writings discrediting pharna-psychiatry I would sit in day treatment feeling confused. (More than just the drugs at work.) They told us how much our “meds” were helping us; how they made our lives so much better; and how these “meds” were saving our lives. I noticed how sick everyone was with legitimate ailments–but at a rate most folks did not. We still acted on impulse, had crazy thoughts, heard voices, and struggled making ordinary decisions. We couldn’t work or get along with other people. Most of us wanted to die and struggled with suicidal desires.
They told us how great things were and it made me angry. What was good enough for us would not have been good enough for “real people.” I knew our lives stunk but no one dared admit it.
I agreed with Sylvain about scientific proofs and arguments. The proofs already exist thanks to writers like RW and many others along with obscure papers published by the APA itself.
It’s not more scientific research we need (unless it’s helping survivors heal from the damage shrinks have done to them.) What we need to work on is public relations and presenting anti-psychiatry in trendy, dumbed down ways so John and Jane Doh! can get it. Sadly we can’t get a platform on TV. Few people read anymore but they mindlessly consume countless hours of television. Maybe catchy tunes on Youtube videos?
Convincing them our rights are being violated and we are being harmed would be a good first step. Many believe they are helping us by drugging, shocking and imprisoning us. (And saving their own lives too.)
Stigma means “shame.” Who shamed us? Why the lord high stigmatizers themselves at the APA.
A true “stigma buster” would be publicly discrediting a shrink! You avoid stigma by shunning their “help.” Man do they lack insight into how human beings behave!
The way society sees it Alex, is we are all mass murderers who will go on killing sprees without our chemical muzzles. They believe we are being helped–not hurt–because these drugs restore the chemical balances of our hopelessly defective brains.
Can you blame them for not wanting to be murdered?
(I know this is all bovine excrement promoted by the drug industry and shrinks. But I guess more than 95% of America’s population believes the “metaphor” Pies is laughing up his sleeves about is a scientifically established fact.)
Many more would come to our aid or find the courage to leave the System if they realized there is no known brain disorder behind the emotional distress and therefore the pills cannot correct it.
It’s because of lying creeps like Lieberman stigma is the problem. TD and other marks of brain damage, morbid obesity, homelessness all come from “help” creeps like him have tricked or coerced the innocent into taking. He knows his profession is behind the rash of killing sprees. Everyone here knows he’s morally responsible for these deaths and is happy to have them continue since its great PR for his profession. That man has no conscience or empathy and is a menace to society.
Know why there’s an anti-psychiatry movement and no anti-cardiology movement? Because heart specialists don’t go on national TV and demonize folks with heart attacks. (Also they don’t cause heart attacks in a bunch of hitherto healthy people.) Real doctors don’t slander their patients!
KumininExile, could you elaborate how homeless rates will cause psychiatry’s downfall? I don’t care how it happens, I long for its destruction. No one is safe from shrinks anymore. Not even toddlers!
I’ve noticed severe housing shortages for folks disabled and labeled by psychiatry. But I can’t see how this will bite shrinks in the butt. They can (indirectly) cause mass shooting sprees with their Hellish drugs, then use the drug induced violence for unlimited expansion of powers by lying to the public on TV. Nobody holds them accountable for anything.
The idea is learning to control your OWN negative thoughts. Not letting someone else control them.
Like Thomas Szazs I only support counseling sessions between consenting adults. If it doesn’t work for you or you don’t want it they shouldn’t force you to have CBT.
Dr. Breggin thank you for your efforts to help us. Sadly when Toxic Psychiatry came out in 1993 I was already sucked down the psychiatric maelstrom which ruined my life. I never knew the book existed till recently.
I want to remind readers that while Dr. Breggin is not a survivor, he has nothing to gain by taking our part. It has almost been career suicide. If career advancement and prestige is all he’s after he’s doing it the wrong way. He didn’t have a dog in this fight–but chose to put himself on the line to help folks like us. Remember Oskar Schindler?
Hi Sandra. Did you also start out as a member of the “worried well” till psychiatric treatments drove you bat-sh*t crazy? That’s my story. The System never acknowledges this either. That would be “pill shaming.”
My guess is “schizophrenics” in these studies get a little too stoned and hallucinate. They get locked up and put on psych drugs to make them “schizophrenic” till they die or escape.
Ironic how Psychiatry wants to use this same substance they have condemned in the past to “treat” the “illness” they accused it of causing. But we’re talking about Psychiatry here. 😀
One of the best therapists I ever had–Kevin–told me he used a bunch of different methods and applied whichever fit the situation. He used CBT occasionally, but if the person was too down hearted he would try another technique.
I used the book “Feeling Good” by David Burns. But it’s not the same as having it forced on you by an emotionally abusive “therapist” or shrink.
CBT can help in certain situations. But self blame should be avoided. Most people abused by psychiatry already blame themselves for everything. That’s why standard “mental health therapy” is ineffective.
Tell them, “Hey you’re not a defective monster. Your brain is not broken. You can think for yourself and not believe everything the ‘sane’ folks tell you. They have no right to treat you like dirt just because they call themselves ‘normal’!”
That would cure their depression in most cases. But it would make them leave the crazy house without walls. We can’t have that after all. 😛
Convincing insurance companies of psychiatry’s impotence and the harms it causes is also necessary. Convince the general public and the insurance folks will follow.
The DSM forced to compete and Big Pharma banned from legal bribing in the form of “contributions” from their lobbies. Those two things would really defang the Monster Psychiatry.
An unusually large number of psychiatrists kill themselves each year. Could they be suffering from”untreated mental illnesses”? *Gasp!*
More likely they can’t bear the torments of their guilty consciences over all the people they lied to and damaged. Like Shakespeare’s Lady MacBeth. Or the commandant depicted in Schindler’s List. (In real life he did lose it. Emotional pain is behind break downs. And guilt can be quite painful.)
The “mental health” system is working.
But if you actually want to help people you need to look for another job I’m afraid.
I’m finally getting my life together slowly. Learning to build a social network. Lose 200+ pounds. (Down 40 so far.) Rebuilding my shattered body, mourn my broken dreams and accept responsibility for my bad choices.
Hard to “adult” in your mid forties. If I hadn’t fled the crazy making system it would be impossible. It exists to keep people helpless and dependent.
Chronically ill from years on prescription drugs. Never gainfully employed. Never had a relationship. I owe it to the boon of modern psychiatry.
My life stinks. But I wouldn’t trade places with you Manuela.
It must be horrible to honestly want to help people who only get worse in every way possible. 🙁
I was hungry, but instead of making dinner I took a phenthin. Shoot, instead of grocery shopping this week I’m just going to stock up on diet drugs. Since drugs are the cure for everything now. Why solve a problem when you can just numb it and continue the thing that caused the problem to make it even worse?
It doesn’t matter how smart a person is or how many letters come after his or her name. If you know they lie whenever convenient they are not to be trusted. An honest janitor with a high school diploma is more credible than these well-informed liars.
Congratulations for standing up to them Dr. Gozche! Unlike most of us commenting here you stand to lose a lot for doing what is right. And nothing to gain in the material sense.
Maybe if more of us loved people and used things to help them (remember Schindler’s List?) our loneliness would end. But people are selfish, greedy and unloving. Because no one cares about their “loved ones” our culture is glad to farm out unhappy people who are no longer useful to worthless quacks. That way–even if they suffer horribly and die–they won’t cramp our style.
The writer lost me with the phrase “mental health.”
Psychiatry is the cause of my loneliness. If I had not been stupid and gullible enough to see a shrink back in 1992 I would be a much happier woman today with a family, friends, and career.
Today I have nothing. Broke–living on gov. assistance with relatives and in occasional HUD slums. So sick I hurt all over and can barely leave my room most days. Never married. Will never have kids.
I owe it all to trusting my shrink and “meds compliance.” 😛
“Compliance” is all that matters in “mental health.” I remember a study NAMI conducted (need to look it up) where they determined successful treatments solely by how many continued to stay drugged. The quality of life was irrelevant since they didn’t record it.
You can be miserable, vomiting uncontrollably, unable to speak or move without difficulty, and obsessed with suicide. But if you’re “meds compliant” no one gives a rip. And they’ll dismiss any suicides as “in spite of” never “because of.”
I know plenty of people “on their meds” who act that way. I often was.
The Haldol and other crap made me too numb to speak often. But it did not make me more coherent or rational. Nor did it enhance my problem solving skills.
Why should anyone in “mental health” want to change? They’re happy with the status quo. And when they finish slowly killing us they can get fresh meat through ads/propaganda disguised as news.
The words health and independence draw attention to the fact that NAMI is dedicated to the exact opposites. Causing sickness and disability. Also premature death.
Ds_Ghoste, my gut no longer functions. I can’t absorb micro nutrients after 23 years on one SSRI or another. Pretty sick all the time. It started 3 years before I went off, though I notice the pain more.
If the damage can’t be reversed at least the thing causing it has been stopped. My heart arrhythmia is better now. And I can lose weight again.
Of course I’m not Corinna. But how about National Association for Health and Independence? That would fight NAMI and SAMSA and similar groups since they create sickness and disabilities in people they view as threats. That’s how “mental health” actually works after all.
But keep giving out SSRI’s as much as possible doctors. Keep a big dish to hand out to visitors like office mints. With any luck you can induce psychotic mania, label them Bipolar 2 and force feed them 3-6 drugs instead of 1 every day till they die.
You got that right OH. I didn’t take those XXXX drugs for 25 years to become “docile and child-like” aka helpless. The quacks promised they would help me lead an independent, productive life outside an institution. A lot of my “SMI” friends are now begging for institutionalizing now, believe it or not. They can’t keep up on their ADLs needed to keep HUD thanks to long term brain and nerve damage. 🙁
Like the shamans for so-called primitive societies. The “diagnoses” of psychiatry are incantations and the “medicines” are talismans and elixirs. This belief system is called the Power-Threat narrative. It’s usually a religious system.
Because people believe in the hexes the medicine man places on his enemies they can actually die.
Steve and Alex you both make good points. If my gut tells me something is off I don’t immediately ACT on it. I investigate. Like someone accusing someone of a crime. Innocent till proven guilty. But you carefully look at the evidence being submitted.
Not in foster care thank goodness. Makes me angry to read about this after the crap psychiatry has put me through since age 18. Hard enough as an adult.
If I ever have the financial means I want to take in foster kids. That’s why I’m reading this. 🙂
You got that right. Profitable for psychiatry and pharmacy companies, but bad for the economy as a whole. Crippling 20-25% of the next generation is very short sighted. But evil always is.
Plus the shrinks can pretend to be humanitarians and express surprise at all the horrible stuff that happens to their victims. “Ruh roh. Look what the schizophrenic disease did. Not my fault. It’s the disease that did it. But please don’t ask me to scan the ‘treatment naive’ since that would be unethical.” Unethical meaning “bad for my career.”
Your final sentence packs a powerful punch. I said I was suicidal when I wasn’t. Why? People quit treating me so horribly–as they had since the quack told friends and family I was hopeless.
Without psychiatry I never would have done this to start with since I was viewed as a human being before.
If you ever pay a little visit to NAMI’s forums for “supportive family members” who run the whole show a lot of them whine about the “emotional abuse” they put up with from the “mentally ill” kids in their 30’s and 40’s. Boo hoo. Who crippled them and forced them to live in the basement to begin with?
The “mentally ill” never complain since they believe everything bad that happens is always their fault for being crazy.
Verbose AND articulate? So is the priest using too many words or just the right amount of them?
Psychiatry is full of its own delusions. Despite the death and destruction in its wake these men persist in playing god with cruel, pointless experiments on those they deem unworthy of life. Szazs was right!
Yes. Emotions are always a “symptom.” Meaning the “doctors” consider themselves to be androids or emotionless space aliens. (“I am a Vulcan. There is no pain.”)
Can’t get any saner than that. Bwahahaha!
Zombies is a great metaphor too. Soulless. Devoid of all emotions except the hunger for the brains of living creatures. Dr. Torrey I presume?
They have completed premedical training however. How can they not know the history of the science behind their profession? Are they really that ignorant of what their prescriptions do? How they maim and kill people?
However kindly their intentions their ignorance and the damage they inflict (even if unwittingly) terrifies me. It should terrify us all. Damaging a patient through avoidable ignorance or neglect can still lead to a legitimate doctor being sued.
Dr. “I-don’t-know-any-real-psychiatrist-who-promotes-the-chemical-imbalance-metaphor” Pies.
You know. That old rascal. 😀 Needs a better organized filing system to keep his lies organized.
Fooling all of the people all of the time is a tough act to pull. Lincoln said it was impossible. But what would Honest Abe know about successful mass deceptions?
I wish they would since that would go over like a lead balloon nowadays.
At least the 19th century folks were honest. “I don’t like this behavior so I’m going to punish those who do it even if it is legal.”
Everything in “mental health” is punishment for weird but legal thoughts/behaviors. If laws were broken there are already courts for criminals to be tried.
It’s not about sex so much now but little nit picky stuff. Sadness. Anxiety. Squirming in class. Liking anything authorities don’t. Liking art “too much.” Being too sensitive. Or independent. (That’s “toxic” now. Independent folks don’t consume enough.)
Furthermore these same people will dismiss or demonize those suffering after years on these drugs–shaming them to exonerate the pills (and their morally bankrupt profession)–and ignore how many health problems we have including early onset dementia and premature death. Skew the surveys and use anecdotal evidence–but only the anecdotes that they want the public to hear.
Been off thyroid medicine for 3 weeks. Couldn’t find a prescriber thanks to a Medicaid card glitch.
Lucky my cancer doctor was nice enough to write one. (No cancer, but pernicious anemia and other deficiencies thanks to decades on my psych cocktail. Iatrogenic disease is real!)
In defense of the oppressors, Steve, they would be in a lot of hot water if the American Psychiatric Association ever made a PSA saying, “Heh heh. We goofed. Seems these things never fixed any brain problems, muddled people’s thoughts, destroyed inhibitions against suicide and violent crimes, and were addictive as street drugs too.”
A lot of people would be angry. A lot of us already are, but multiply that number by 20.
Tsk tsk. How dare you “pill shame” Concerned Carer?
Shaming the victim–er–consumer for gaining weight on these toxins, having seizures, getting Parkinson’s and not benefiting is how psychiatry helps us. 😛
You’re not alone in your thinking Z. It really is a huge miscarriage of justice.
The “experts” are clueless and lack real insight into how human beings behave. The legal experts might have caught on if the shrinks weren’t deceived by your abusive ex and willing to pass the deception on.
Judges and lawyers need to learn not to believe anything these guys say. Mind reading and fortune telling is what psychiatrists actually claim to do. Psychics–not scientists.
The pre-crime division. IMO the rates of crime would plummet if psychiatry were banned and the legal system didn’t have these “experts” to give them consistently bad advice!
I’m troubled by your implied endorsement of electro shocks Fr. John. They “work” by damaging the brain and (sometimes) destroying painful memories–along with things the victim wanted to remember.
I’m sure you don’t realize this though. I know psych nurses who don’t. (Got all their education from promotional videos of the ECT machine manufacturing company.)
The “mental health” system reminds me of the novel A Wrinkle in Time. While visiting the planet Kamazotz the kids discover that they euthanize anyone who develops a head cold.
How psychiatry helps people upset and/or out of touch of reality by random brain damage ensuring they can never think straight again. 🙁
So sorry!
If you would like to e mail me offsite my address is lulivingnichols at gmail dot com. I don’t have all the answers, but I can tell you what keeps me from utter despair.
And I am not selling a product. Love can’t be sold because it’s priceless.
I don’t know what’s behind your emotional pain LT. Mine stems from chronic loneliness, poverty, barrenness and the realization that nothing good will happen to me in this life. The idea that I need a disease to excuse my sorrows seems insulting to me.
I’m unhappy because my life sucks! No psych “diagnosis” necessary. And psychiatry is largely responsible for my failed life.
I came to this conclusion after reading about Saddleback by Susan Cane. Quiet: the power of introverts in a world that won’t stop talking.
As a PK you could only form a whole bunch of “relationships” with folks you barely knew and couldn’t care about. I’m not a total introvert but I like depth to my relationships.
Living as a hermit now. Almost total isolation except for internet and phone. Go to church and pretend to love on total strangers who you know don’t care about you. Just as well. No one likes the real me. Had to play a role since I was a child. 😛
Not calling Rick unloving, but I believe Matt had the “wrong” personality type. An introvert in a family of hyper extroverts. Very stressful.
Rick often said in sermons that all Christians should be 100% extroverted since Jesus was. (Jesus needed down time too. RW skipped over the parts where he went away to pray.)
Publicly embarrassing his son by calling him “mentally ill” in front of everyone may have played a role too. Loving after a fashion but devoid of gentleness, patience or empathy (trying to understand someone.) Being considered “MI” causes people to quit trying to understand your pain since it’s no longer supposed to make sense. Your tears just show your “meds” aren’t working and your “broken brain” is honking people off again.
Shut up and take your prozac! No one cares about you, nut job! See how NICE we are to crazies at Saddleback? 😀
Psychiatrists believe only some biologically defective evolutionary throwbacks are “mentally ill.” These deserve whatever torments the shrinks throw at them. Total depravity of all humanity versus biological depravity of a select few. And the shrinks are all 100% sane–of course.
Thank you Father John. I’m a Church of Christ Christian myself.
What you said echos my existential conflict with psychiatry. When I believed it was a proven fact I wondered how my faith could be true, since the blood of Jesus and the Holy Spirit were not sufficient to save me from my sinfulness without the pills. Now I realize it was all a lie.
The pills numbed my empathy, conscience, and impulse control while amplifying the voices of my inner demons. Off the stuff at last. Thank God I can pray again! I can feel love for those around me.
Like you Stephen, I suffer from malnutrition–fat though I am. Have you tried building up your intestinal flora? I’m trying that now. Not sure how effective it will be. I’m sure I can’t undo decades of damage in one month.
My depression significantly lessened since coming off my “antidepressant.” But no shrink wants to hear stories like mine. My life is still not that great which makes my (somewhat) upbeat attitude more noteworthy.
Psychiatry tries to categorize behaviors which are bad or self defeating or odd or simply ones they don’t happen to like into “diseases” like astrologers drawing lines between stars to come up with zodiac signs.
People are too complex to fit into the boxes shrinks try to stuff us into. The labels are worse than useless and do nothing to end the suffering. The only people these help are the shrinks in their endless quest for power and money making billing codes.
“Dr. Rached” did not allow Bibles on her ward. She claimed there was too much religious mania, but no one else thought so. No one was calling himself Jesus or proclaiming prophetic messages at the time. Doc Rached was the jealous type who couldn’t share the spotlight with any other gods. Lol.
Like Peter Breggin I started out wanting to teach English literature and write novels. He chose a career helping the psychiatrized. I “chose” a career as a “mental patient” unwittingly since I thought I was doing the responsible thing for myself and all around me.
There are fewer positions in academia now. I’ll see.
Today is one of the good days. Not hurting all over and coughing my head off. 🙂
Maybe lithium helps take the edge off your emotional pain, Zmenard?
6 mg of stelazine helped quell my overwhelming anxiety as a college freshman. Unfortunately it killed my ability to feel joy and made me think the drugs actually helped to fix my brain. This had serious repercussions when I went requested help later and went bonkers on anafranil.
Sera, a surprisingly large number of people commit suicide when locked up for it. I don’t have the information right now. I believe it can be found in the index of An Unquiet Mind by Kay Redfield Jamison.
If I had a suicidal friend I would keep an eye on her, call her, show her unconditional love and try to keep her spirits up. But you don’t find much love or hope in a psych ward. 🙁
I did not notice that. I need to reread the article. 🙂
Krista, I refer you to the article recently published here by Eric Kuelker. “Why the ‘Psychological Injury Model’ Will Ultimately Triumph.” This explains how I–and many here–view the extreme states of mind/emotions psychiatrists refer to as “mental illnesses.”
Zmenard your story is a great illustration of how psychiatry tends to side with the strong rather than the well behaved. Also why abused women should do what they can to avoid the Mental Illness System.
Your emotions are perfectly “normal” given your circumstances. Glad your shrink is one of the nice ones.
Edith Wilson and other famous women mocked the suffragettes. They asked “Why do women want to vote?” Not all slaves wanted their freedom. (The Holocaust happened fast. Plus none of the Jews thought the Nazis were out to help them.)
In many respects the psychiatrized are like patronized women denied the status of adults or chattel slaves. Or even if freed African Americans were viewed as “childish” etc. for many generations.
Getting “undiagnosed” makes it harder for them to pick us off. We become true citizens again–with due process and those other things the non-psyched take for granted.
Btw, a lot of ex-slaves still wanted freedom papers in the antebellum south. These came in handy when working on the Underground Railroad. Simply saying “Slavery is wrong,” wouldn’t help if the slavers had the legal right to capture a man and sell him as chattel again.
If I were accused of witchcraft in Salem–and convicted–merely saying women can’t fly around on broomsticks wouldn’t do the trick. I would need the conviction and witchcraft label overturned before returning to Salem. Until I have my “bipolar” label removed I will always live in some degree of fear and avoid doctors. I must live in the shadows and hide my past from all I meet.
Harper West, I no longer see a counselor because I ceased to benefit. Plus they’re all linked to “mental health” and my Medicaid won’t cover.
Nevertheless I fully support psycho-therapy between consenting adults. Different from psychiatry. Szazs himself conducted sessions with adults.
Sometimes “therapy” turns to emotional abuse. Forcing someone to sit through verbal beatings and mind games can be eliminated by making it all voluntary.
In my MH center you were supposed to be able to leave a therapist at your discretion. Sadly this was just not true. 🙁
Just because folks were trying to abolish slavery did not get rid of a need for the Underground Railroad OH. While the allies fought to win World War II people defied the Nazis to hide Jews and smuggle them out of occupied territory.
It’s easy to become so wrapped up in the Big Picture one overlooks the individual one could help right now.
I follow a libertarian blog called “Economic Freedom.” Dan Mitchell, the blogger, has written a book called Cronyism. In it he decries the bribery and other dishonest tactics major corporations use to get Big Brother eating out of their hands. He doesn’t know much about psychiatry because he has never mentioned how the APA stays in power no matter how much damage they create.
A lot of fast food places are being replaced by kiosks.
“Mental health” centers could easily be replaced by arcades of vending machines. Get a “diagnosis” and recommended drugs from an online app on the website owned by the franchise. Then hustle down to the center, swipe your Medicaid/insurance card and select the drug and dosage out of the proper machine. A week’s worth of drugs pop out in a box. Set for the week!
The APA wouldn’t like this of course. Machines lack the “human” touch. They’re not arrogant, spiteful or into sadism. 😀
Psychiatrists are like drug lords or mob bosses. 🙂
You are free to consume Big Gino’s stuff as a client…or he will get 6 thugs to jump you, pound on you, and give you an overdose while you plead for mercy. That’s what happens to “clients” who say “No” to Big G. See?
Or you can escape like we did. Harder for some. I have not been in AOC. My reputation as a good consumer–with great “insight”–helped me conduct a low key escape.
It is hard to reject “the concept and industry of psychiatry” if you are labeled a “hard” SMI and forced to endure AOC. Or even living in the twilight zone like I do–fearful to see a doctor for legitimate medical problems because of my ugly records.
I’m pretty sick after 25+ years on at least one “therapeutic” dose of a psych drug in my system. A cocktail for 22 years. Been drug free for 18 months, but my body is a wreck. I’m in chronic pain, tired all the time, and have breathing problems. And I’m pretty sad/angry at my wasted life. Sometimes I wonder why I escaped since it’s too late to do anything now. Too old to start over!
About No. 1: Due to its associations with Silicon Valley, “spectrum” sounds nice and scientific. Wrong branch of science–since these people CLAIM to be experts on neuro-chemistry–not airwaves. But it sure sounds impressively scientific.
N. 3: It’s not about the “patient.” It never was. A psychiatrist helps his “patients” the way an exterminator helps termites.
About domestic abuse…
There are plenty of online forums where well meaning, STUPID people encourage abused wives to not be afraid to seek out “mental help” for the “diseases” of anxiety and depression.
What frustrates me is the women running the forum mean well–but believe the “chemical imbalance” is an established fact proven by cutting edge medical science. They’re clueless about how a “mental diagnosis” will harm those who seek to leave or divorce an abuser.
Wish I could get them to read Paula Capplan. But that would be more of a mental challenge than watching a Zoloft commercial. They just don’t wanna!
Yes. There’s some ER drama (can’t remember the title) where the resident psychiatrist is a kindly older man. Equal parts psych therapist, neurologist, and wizard.
Not a Peter Breggin type, since he never challenges the “truths” of the pseudo science. More like a Dr. House but with the bedside manner of Dr. Kildare. Few of the cases are actually “mentally ill” but have some mysterious malady–neurological or otherwise–he struggles to solve.
In real life few shrinks can diagnose a case of Lyme Disease or other legitimate disorders. Too busy inflicting fresh brain trauma in hopes it will somehow produce a cure.
Like the old cartoons of Tom and Jerry or The Flintstones where one good whack to the head causes amnesia or a bizarre character change–but gets fixed by a second whack. Psychiatry–the “science” of cartoons! 😀
For what it’s worth OH, Dr. Kuelker puts the lie to the notion that the drugs actually fix something and correct any brain problems instead of creating new ones. Because of this I’m posting this article on Facebook to educate my friends and family who believe psych drugs are “safe and effective meds.”
My argument against the a priori assumption of Psychiatry: “If the problem is not in the brain it doesn’t exist.”
“If what you say is true that still does not justify random acts of brain damage on those you consider already impaired.”
Osteogenesis Imperfecta is undoubtedly a disorder of the human skeleton. But it does not justify taking a crow bar to the limbs of someone suffering from it.
Sam, assuming you have been telling us the truth–likely you have–if your wife is ashamed of her experiences perhaps she wants them hushed. Maybe you should respect her wishes and not go public unless/until she feels differently.
It is odd she is never here. I’m sure it’s trauma you had nothing to do with. But you yourself say she doesn’t like talking about her extreme states or psychiatric experiences.
My mom has agreed to keep quiet about my “diagnosis.” Bless her!
Thanks to America’s ubiquitous drug ads, Big Pharma owns our television air waves. Even the content of doctor shows/crime dramas/sit coms is full of psychiatric “facts.” 😛
Though real shrinks would laugh at most since they know you don’t need hours of rigorous testing to “diagnose” someone. I actually saw this on a crime drama episode. A fictional shrink said this. The writers didn’t do their homework.
The thing is they often “diagnose” people who commit grotesque, horrible murders as SMI. No known pathology for “mental illness” so they can label anyone.
Bizarre crimes are proof of “mental illness” since “mentally ill” usually refers to extreme behaviors. This would inflate the crime stats of the “mentally ill.”
Ted Bundy was “bipolar” just like the harmless eccentric Aunt Betty everybody loves. Different=bad. Ergo murders like Bundy committed are proof of his “mental illness” since most people don’t do what he did.
We don’t need “mental health experts” to label criminals like Bundy. The penal system can function well without them.
We survivors have been told to “stay in our place” a good deal. By very arrogant people who think they have the right to treat us like children, trained animals, or inanimate objects. To be spoken ABOUT and over. Never directly to.
Sick of having our voices overpowered and others speak on our behalf!
Tom Jackson’s family THOUGHT his odd thoughts were better because he quit talking. Not always true! My mom thought a mega dose of Haldol helped me since I was too zoned out to complain semi coherently about my ruined life.
Still angry and devastated. But I can control my speech now. Glad I’ll be dead soon since my body’s a wreck. Left psychiatry too late. At 45 there’s nothing to salvage.
My life is just a big awful waste. Countless people like me had a lot to offer that no one wanted. They preferred to throw us away like worthless garbage!
Are you “healthy” Western Society? Are you “normal” to write people off–to segregate and lock up the innocent so we slowly die from cruel, pointless experiments?
I hate your “health”! I spit upon your “normality”! You deserve to die Western Civilization–for you have no pity on the weak and vulnerable.
Gas chambers were more humane in some respects. As opposed to slowly poisoning a “mentally ill” person to death over 20-30 years. Way less lucrative making soap out of our body fat though, then billing tax payers for the $$$$$$ of “safe effective poisons” to kill us with.
Hey Dr. Coleman. Are you one of those rogue psychiatrists like Dr. K., Breggin, and a couple other writers here?
The ones called “mentally ill” aren’t the people running NAMI, btw. It’s the “mama grizzlies.” Not all NAMI mothers!
But SOME are horrible women/men who enjoy the attention they get as the parent of a sick, crazy child in their thirties or forties–forced to live in their folks’ basement or an institution thanks to being too drugged up to work.
Then everyone can say, “What a brave woman you are Pamela! I hope Bobby appreciates how lucky a bipolar like him is to have a mother like you who cares about him–sick as he is.” Bobby looks embarrassed despite his “meds” and Pamela basks in the public approval–eating it up.
Are there any animal mothers known for eating their young? I have heard of cats doing this.
Psychiatry is a “science” of insults. Do cardiologists show up on 48 Hours to bad mouth heart patients and call them a menace to society? Do endocrinologists tell the public how most crimes are committed by people with kidney or thyroid problems?
That’s why there’s no anti cardiology or anti endocrinology movement “Dr.” Torrey. 😛
High ranking, prominent shrinks do nothing but malign those they say they want to help in PSA’s. They can dish it out but they can’t take it.
Lenora I agree unhappy people need better social support systems.
Sadly, while NAMI and other “mental health” organizations provide some social support they take away others. Once people find out you’re supposed to be “SMI” they quit talking to you, shun your company, and tell you only a “therapist” or fellow “bipolar” can understand someone like you.
My dorm mom in college found out about my label and told the other girls to quit talking to me. She said only professionals were equipped to do so.
Because most abusers are socially adept, poised, self confident, with good self esteem. They never seek “help” from shrinks for themselves. When they drag “crazy loved ones” before these self appointed moral judges–the shrink glances at the distressed, disheveled abuse victim versus the smooth talking, well-dressed, smiling villain and promptly sides with the villain.
To be fair most shrinks who do this don’t even KNOW they’re aiding abusers. Just shows what horrible judges of character these quacks are. And how incompetent they are at protecting society from violent crimes. (Worse than useless in that regard.)
My guess is these elderly people are taking all that crap because they’re in nursing homes. Disgusting. Doping them into premature senility makes them easier to stuff into cramped rooms and corridors that reek of urine with minimal staff. Ageism is real enough.
I had a good friend in her eighties who needed a walker. Concerned she might fall again, her adult kids convinced her to move into a home. I visited her a week later and she was full of good spirits. Sharp as a tack.
A month later she couldn’t talk. She was fearful and incoherent. Something rotten was going on. Probably after a doctor visited. It’s not about helping the residents but keeping them quiet and easy to subdue or abuse. Kind of like “treating” those our society has written off as hopelessly crazy. 😛
MLK fought racism. So what he stood FOR was not racism but universal love and getting along together instead of fighting and driving people away based on their skin tone.
Racism is indeed a “black and white” issue. Bigotry or prejudice are not. All racism is a form of bigotry. Not all bigotry is racism though.
Psychiatry is based on the assumption that all strange behaviors (including some Christians would otherwise call sins) are proof of a brain disease. A priori.
Churches have subscribed to materialism. They no longer believe in human souls it seems. It may explain the drop in membership since there’s nothing real to save.
Rick Warren–psychiatry promoter–is into Moral Therapeutic Deism. He also believes in Quantum Mysticism. Like psychiatry this is a pseudo-science but less socially respectable.
A lot of people join these groups out of desperation since they’ve been deceived and thoroughly believe they need psychiatry to survive or keep their loved ones from going totally insane.
I hate NAMI as a tool of psychiatry. But when I look at the people making up its membership I feel more sorrow and grief than anger. These individuals are precious, wonderful human beings but the lies they have been taught are what I hate. Without the lies of pharma psychiatry NAMI would not exist. Hardwired into their ideology.
I left NAMI myself. It was not much of a privilege to be one of their subhuman drug mascots. We were only allowed to say a few words at public functions–in praise of the drugs. (I always wondered why they didn’t make us better.)
About us without us. Seems all the NAMI chapters in my state are based upon the bio–control-force model.
I have been so deeply depressed I caught physical diseases. My first bout of depression at seven and a half led to mono.
I couldn’t figure why I was depressed. Looking back it makes sense. I was reading at the 6th grade level, but forced to attend an SBD school for daydreaming since I learned too quickly. The SBD teacher got angry at me for not being dumb enough to fit in.
Prelude to my life as a career “mental patient.” 😛
I struggle with executive function problems more than ever after 25 years of brain damage. Lately I’ve developed ME symptoms making me get exhausted easily.
But I keep my place cleaner now. Despite exhaustion, organizational problems, and sometimes cramping from head to foot. Know why?
I actually CARE again! Same with my social interactions. I care about how other people feel.
Remember the Care Bears (back in the 80’s) and the villain they dealt with? Dr. Cold-Heart who always tried to freeze kids’ emotions so they numbed out and didn’t give a rip about anything? A man well ahead of his time. Lol.
Depression is real. I have experienced it. But it’s an extreme feeling, not a brain disease.
Churchill experienced this. So did Lincoln.
The cure? Figure out if my thyroid levels are normal. Eat better. Sleep and exercise. If there’s a non physical reason for the depression–fix the problem or learn to live with it.
My mom’s counselor helped her overcome depression by helping her figure out she was disappointed at never finishing college. Mom got her BS in education and became an elementary teacher. Depression solved!
Opened up a discussion about use of Finnish Dialogue to cure “schizophrenia” with my parents. Both were incredulous. “How can you cure a brain disease by talking?”
I tried explaining this would make sense if the problem were not organic in nature. As a preacher, Dad rejects the materialist view of humanity. It’s still hard for him to accept since it runs contrary to the mainstream media narrative spanning both sides of the spectrum.
Mom argued the brains of the “mentally ill” look different from normal people’s. I cited Dr. Andreason’s paper about how the structural changes were directly linked to the “meds” used to sedate the people. Also pointed out the people in that 90’s documentary we watched would all be undergoing “treatment” as a matter of course since psychiatrists were doing the research.
(Leaving someone “treatment naive” was unethical. They might recover and show your “science” was a bunch of poppycock, depriving poor shrinks of needed income for yacht payments.)
Sad how Mom is letting her mind go in retirement. I blame the SSRI, but the 12-15 hours of TV she consumes daily is even more to blame.
The internet can be addictive too, but it can engage the mind more if properly used. It’s interactive in a way TV cannot be.
I knew some nice individual psychiatrists. They were nice since I never questioned them and always did exactly as told. 😉
Nevertheless psychiatry is a fake science. As Szazs noted, a lot of kindly, well meaning doctors applied leeches and opened the veins of people with cholera over a hundred fifty years ago. Good intentions notwithstanding, people died from it.
I found out recently that MLK suffered horrible depression all his life. Especially in his teens. At 12 or 13 he tried to kill himself.
He survived the fall and overcame his gloom to do great things.
Just think what would have happened if he’d had access to psychiatric “care”? The Civil Rights movement might never have gotten off the ground.
Btw, surprised no one here has mentioned the Violence Initiative which is rife with covert racism. But–since it’s disguised as medical help for poor youth–the psych bureaucrats get away with it. Check out Peter Breggins’s videos on this. Eugenics is alive and well thanks to psychiatry.
Shocked my parents by “coming out” as a Libertarian. Less is more when t comes to government.
Legalize all drugs and we can end psychiatry altogether. Let “mentally ill” people pick their drugs off the shelf and buy them over the counter. That’s what they do in many Latin American counties like Uruguay.
Btw, I don’t even drink wine. Personally opposed to mind altering drugs. Once I found out that’s all psych drugs are I felt it was my moral duty to go off them.
But people have the right to make their own choices. Including bad ones.
9 out of 7 people reported feeling better on the awesome new antidepressant Zombify!
(Should Zombify lose it’s effectiveness there’s the new atypical antipsychotic Xacerbate!)
Here’s a commercial for Zombify. As put out by the pharmaceutical company Pfaker.
Before taking Zombify I was a 125 pound wife and mom trying to maintain the perfect work-life balance between family and my full time career in education. Very depressed.
Now, thanks to Zombify, I’m a 250 pound divorcee, barely able to get out of bed in the morning. I live on disability since even a part time job’s too exhausting. My husband won the custody battle when the judge found out about my bipolar 2 disorder. I have heart problems, diabetes, and cholesterol levels double what most women my age have.
I’m more depressed than ever and can’t stop thinking of ways to kill myself. But think how much worse I’d feel without this life-saving wonder medication.
I love Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander.
A must read underground classic for thinking people. Ironically it didn’t sell very well because Mander refused to promote it on TV like Marie Winn did for The Plug-In Drug.
What if a scientist uses a word that doesn’t mean anything? Like “mental illness.” If it’s a brain disease that would make it a PHYSICAL illness. In which case–there are already brain specialists. Neurologists. Psychiatrist means “soul doctor.” Pretty ironic.
No CURE s the wrong word. But save lives/make you a great marriage partner/enjoy a career/and become a kind, caring, morally upright person. All by taking their magical pills.
They did the exact opposite for me. Have all the symptoms of Chronic Fatigue and live in poverty and isolation. I’m alive, but it’s not a good life. I owe it all to those lying monsters who drove me crazy, then sold me cocktails till I broke away. Too sick and old for it to help.
I wouldn’t need HUD or other hand outs if I hadn’t been crippled by those remorseless, cold-blooded drug dealers who pose as doctors. Never wanted to be a welfare case. Everyone in the MI System thinks living on subsistence hand outs is great. NO IT’S NOT!!!
Living in a garage now. No water or toilet. Keeping (somewhat) warm with a heater. Ugh!
Dr. Quackenbush says your sense of humor is inflamed–probably from a bad infection of the imagination. The solution is putting you on an IV drip of snake oil immediately! 😀
Had a fellow patient wake me up one night asking to get in bed with me. (!!!) 😛
So groggy I couldn’t figure out what he wanted at first. When I did I popped out of bed and told a male staff member. Happily he believed me though the patient denied it.
The next day he apologized after his wife finished visiting him. I told him he was forgiven, but please not to try anything like that again!
I didn’t enjoy that at all. Dr. M told my mom Anafranil never had that effect on anyone. It terrified me, but all he did was threaten us and say, “Don’t you dare go off your medication.” 21 days of no sleep stinks.
Psychiatry creates more problems than it solves from what I see.
I turned to a deliverance minister to drive my voices away. It worked. The drugs just amplified them. The preacher treated me more respectfully than any shrink I’ve met. And he spent 8 hours working with me–for free.
Of course a deliverance wouldn’t work for agnostics or members of other religions. But psychiatry claims to cure everyone–even though it often makes folks worse. Especially long term.
FWIW, we need fewer girls in the MI System. Not more boys.
This is an obvious ploy by the APA to drum up more “consumers” for the crap they aggressively hawk in a way that would make a used car salesman cringe.
Neurotoxins, adult kindergarten, and never-ending angst sessions they call “therapy.” NO ONE needs this stuff.
And they’re kids too. Convince the gullible mama that her son squirms in class, likes sports, and dislikes her smothering ways because he’s SMI and needs “treatment” before puberty and cha ching! Another cash cow for life.
Remember the good people and be sure to thank them. This helped boost my morale during my stays. (Never was involuntary–unless you count the fact that I was deceived into thinking I needed THEIR help.)
How much TV do people watch in Finland? Seriously.
I believe all the mindless, passive viewing leads to isolation even if you’re around someone most of the day.
My retired mom–I’m forced to share a place due to poverty–screams at me for talking during the “important parts” of her show. All the parts are important and all the shows are her favorite. Has gotten irritated when Dad and I talked interrupting a skin cream commercial.
She’s not depressed though. Just doesn’t give a rip about anything or anyone not on the blasted screen. Quit reading and has no hobbies.
I stay in another room except for dinner. Even then Dad and I have to be quiet so she can hear the news. Has it on full blast though it’s making her deaf.
Curses from the DSM book of incantations aka “diagnoses.” The magical potions are their SSRI’s, neuroleptics, and tranquilizers. The amulet of ultimate power would be the electroshock machine!
(BTW, the ancient religions frequently had mind altering drugs for religious ceremonies.)
My brain is “different” too. I have a different way of thinking than many–causing it to form a different shape thanks to neuroplasticity. Starting a successful business before age 22 requires an atypical style of thinking. (Or more would do it.)
Trauma does cause brain damage as well as drugs. Years of drugging and shaming/segregation in the MI System can really mess anyone up. But it sounds like you’ve been keeping your brain active even while drugged Abrianna. 🙂 This helped me a lot, along with other survivors.
Remember you’re not alone. There are many worse off than either of us.
Wish my first shrink had proposed psychedelic drugs. My parents would not have become so enamored with them. Mom wouldn’t have kept shrieking, “Rachel, shut up and take your LSD.”
See, fun drugs are naughty. If they make you feel lousy and the dealer wears a pretty white coat they’re good for you.
Fun=naughty drugs
Feeling like crap=life saving meds
Very strict home. No booze ever! Yet my folks wanted me to take mind altering drugs due to the faux respectability. Sigh.
The reason patients cherish grandiose, unreal views of themselves is coping with a horrible reality. Escapism. Make reality better, show the person respect, treat them as an equal and they may return to consensus reality sans coercion.
And the shrinks have no scruples about lying to patients whenever convenient. I call BS on this hypocrisy. We know they’ll say anything to cram those XXXX neuro-toxins down a hapless consumed’s throat or stick them in the butt. Whatever. Long as they get paid.
KS, I heartily agree. For the second class of victims though certain levels of abuse are standard “care” and therefore acceptable. They have less legal recourse because of this. Like children, the “MI” will not be believed so they make easy prey.
A lot of friends who think psychiatry is great still find horror stories of rape, physical blows, and theft believable. It stands to reason. These people are kindly but think “meds” work and chemical imbalances are scientifically proven facts. Can’t convince them to read anything to the contrary. 🙁
Daycares have to be careful screening out pedophiles since they want to work there. Likewise heartless sadists thrive on settings like locked mental wards.
Unfortunately the brutality of the latter qualifies as “standard care” most often.
The_Cat I’m a naturally vindictive person. Like you I thirst for justice and have revenge fantasies when it’s not immediate.
During my withdrawals from Effexor I was so sick I needed a nap every afternoon. I would call out to God quietly, reminding Him of His promises to avenge the poor, the weak and defenseless.
As I let go of my right to vengeance–asking merely for the damage they inflicted to end–my physical and emotional pain lessened. I survived another day by His grace.
He will hold the shrinks accountable even if no human court ever does. He laughs at their delusions of grandeur that make them play Him.
Psychiatry is rooted in eugenics. Not just racism (that part is underground now) but the idea that some people are of “Criminal Stock” and must be eliminated fro the gene pool and monitored for crimes they are sure to commit.
The concept of “mental illness” is not so much cognitive impairment as what could be called moral defects or bad habits. (According to shrinks’ bias of course.)
They see the “SMI” as born evil. The psychiatrist is the doctor of society rather than the individuals he “treats.” It’s not about helping THEM at all. They’re cancer he tries to remove from the body of society at large. They’re the roaches and he views himself as the exterminator.
Dirty Harry in a lab coat. “You’re the disease. I’m the cure. Do ya feel lucky punk?”
The Mental Illness System strongly encouraged us to do nothing but sit in front of the tube and drool between visits to the center. (As well as cook, clean apt, sleep.) They only expected us to talk to each other.
Excessive TV is known to cause depression and cognitive decline. Yet they think 16 hours a day is good for you and keep it on nonstop in psych wards for some reason.
When I volunteered at the Humane Society, read books, went to community plays and art galleries all the Center’s workers were surprised. A few were gratified. Many seemed displeased that I “didn’t know my place.”
Know how I helped myself get over depression, quit sleeping 12 hours a day, maintain ADL’s, get along better socially and lose over 40 pounds Jessica?
I disobeyed all my shrink’s orders. Quit “day treatment,” “therapy,” and tapered off my highly addictive brain drugs he said I’d die without. Been off them for almost a year and a half. My heart arrhythmia s gone. Is that a danger sign? Lol.
I’m naming this the Charlotte Perkins Therapy. Ever read “The Yellow Wall-Paper”? That’s how she got better. Disobeying her quack’s dangerous orders. 🙂
“Time to go heal people” indeed! “Time to go sicken people” is more accurate.
Devil’s advocate here.
Our opponents would say “Mental illness is actually a brain disease and these drugs have been proven highly effective in treating the symptoms though we don’t know why yet.”
A priori.
Of course there is the semantic problem that brain diseases are physical in nature–not mental–that RoboHugs and other “consumer” sites can’t seem to GET. But you see my point.
“Whatever else I personally think of modern psychiatry, what I truly believe is we still know very little about the mind/brain complex and need more unbiased research, full stop.”
Luv ya Cat. But calling those who’re still shell shocked “snowflakes” is not helping matters.
We need to deal with one another kindly and gently here.
Abrianna had NO idea she was hurting people’s feelings. Please remember this. Her words hurt many, but it’s like someone who accidentally sticks their foot out too far and causes you to fall. As opposed to deliberately tripping people.
To Abrianna, I hope you’ll forgive us for judging you unfairly. You had no idea how people here feel about psych labels. Particularly the “personality disorders” can of worms. My biggest problem is it’s horrible to write anyone off as hopeless and irredeemable. No human can read minds or see the future. But when people assign personality disorders that’s what they’re pretending to do. Sometimes these become vicious self fulfilling prophecies, making reformation more difficult than ever.
That is true OH. But we must be just and not make our opponents out to be nastier than they are. Most are ignorant of the damage they do and actually think they’re helping people. (Those in the “Inner Circle”–presidents and high ranking APA officials, shrinks turned bureaucrats, famous pro bio-bio-bio model writers–are another matter.)
I fled an abusive guy myself. Didn’t need a shrink to “diagnose” him either. I just checked his zodiac sign and realized he did horrible things because of the Sign he was born under. Lol. 😉
I also read his fortune cookie and it said, “You will hurt the people you love.”
Using the exact sciences of fortune cookies and astrology I realized he was abusive. Couldn’t have figured it out by watching the way he kicked puppies. I needed science to help me out.
My sister’s disability–skeletal deformities–have required numerous, painful surgeries. While she has a high pain threshold and has done a lot with her life she makes a lousy nurse if you’re sick or in pain. Maybe Cat’s boot-strap philosophy helps him maintain a positive outlook, but renders him less sensitive to others than he should be.
Glad Cat’s not hurt by the talk about “personality disorders.” I’m not myself–exactly. But I understand why others are. That seems to be a hot button topic for this site. Hope the editors take note of this.
I don’t consider psychiatry or drug addiction good as institutions.
As far as individuals–I try to look for the good in others. Most of the shrinks I have known strike me as good natured but detached. If you went along with everything they said, and didn’t ask questions they were pretty nice. Only one was truly evil, and her patients had no defense against her abuse.
But even if they mean well the treatments still have done many grave harm.
In the old days they used to treat cholera patients with blood letting.
It happens often enough however. I got my own delightful BPD label from a case worker, btw. Not supposed to be that way. She thought my desires for emotional connection and monogamy were unhealthy, swinger that she was. 😛
Have you ever asked yourself how labeling someone BPD or a narcissist will help them? Or even the victims of abuse–if they’re abusive.
I had a wonderful friend named Gladys who refused to leave her cruel, abusive husband. Why? He had been “diagnosed” “bipolar.” Gladys felt it would be cruel to leave the “poor, sick” man. Countless folks also labeled SMI begged her to consider his abusive behavior. Not his “mental illness.”
“Bipolar” was irrelevant. Kenny was cruel, selfish, and bad tempered. In Gladys’s case her kind heart combined with pseudo-scientific lies was her undoing.
The only difference between a “personality disordered” person and anyone else is a shrink (or messed up case worker with a BS in PE) labeled them for any reason whatever. Didn’t like their attitude/voice/hairstyle/labeler going through a divorce or not enough protein for breakfast.
Why not just say, “My roommate was violent and bullied me?” For crying out loud.
See your shrink to adjust your poisons every 3 months. (Always upping the dose. Never lowering it.)
Go to Preschool for Grown-Ups (AKA day treatment or clubhouse) 3 times a week for lectures on how messed up you are and how you BETTER TAKE your “MEDS.”
Once or twice a month a fruitless visit with a therapist. Some want to help and get frustrated. Telling folks how broken and hopeless they are and filling them with neurotoxins.
But the psycho-therapist is a tool of the system. Questioning orders can get you fired. Better yell at the consumed for not trying hard enough–if you know they’re poison compliant.
Like asking someone to run laps with a ball and chain under the belief these devices help them walk upright. Stupid stuff!
Been wondering if non-certified folks outside the MI System could learn these techniques and use them. You don’t NEED a PhD in psychology or MSW to listen or show compassion.
(Of course you can’t enroll as a student I realize.)
Are you debating those who conducted this survey or the MIA authors who are criticizing it? (Those who conducted the original survey are probably not reading this.)
Stupid and pointless. I have visited open AA meetings with a friend (and was a member of another 12 step program once) The man leading the group grumbled afterward to me about judges forcing people to attend these meetings as punishment for DUI’s.
“Waste of their time and ours!” he said.
You can’t force someone to become a better person against their will.
Its NOT a silly overreaction. But the horrible stigma came from a shrink. Not the writer.
Those labels are spurious and stupid. I got mine for thinking of suicide after a man I loved dumped me for no known reason. (And my mom had been telling me for years I was unlovable and no man would want a bipolar/schizo/fatty like me.) Didn’t get mine from a shrink either, but a case manager with a BS in phys ed who fit the “type” way better than I ever did.
I hate break ups but they quit making me suicidal some time ago. The label lasts though. Believe me, I empathize with you. Your anger and pain are legitimate.
I only ask you to remember Abrianna did not label you. Some quack playing god did.
It is an insult. But not intentional. Consider it a stray bullet.
Abrianna doesn’t know any better and believes in her own label. Takes time for people to come around. Plus she doesn’t know any of us from Adam. You know you’re not whatever the shrinks called you. So do I and the majority of others here.
Weird how I no longer act “bipolar 2” and no one knows I am supposed to be that way. But when I read articles or see crap on TV about “mental health issues” my heart races and my stomach churns.
Weird how I don’t have such an automatic knee jerk reaction when I hear the term “bipolar killer” on TV. I used to–especially when I believed it applied to me.
But it still scares me people will discover my painful past.
Takes time to emotionally distance yourself I think.
Cat, I believe KS acknowledges there are plenty of horrible characters in psych wards. I have met my share. Many of those opted for “treatment” over a legitimate prison.
My problem–and perhaps KS’s problem–is legitimizing these labels.
The author meant no harm however. She’s a newcomer and doesn’t understand why people are upset.
I respectfully disagree, but I’m not angry myself.
Abrianna I agree that if they’re going to lock people up they should at least separate the violent from the peaceful. Even the prison systems do this. Not all “psychotic” people are violent. I never was–just very frightened.
Who said Breggin was a liar or Szazs cold blooded? Truth and love are actually conjoined twins who’ll die if taken apart. They just emphasize one more than the other.
Szazs has written some witty stuff on par with Mark Twain. Not a sci fi space alien or android! And the favorite butt of his wit were the quacks who loved to deceive people at the expense of others’ liberty, well-being and life itself.
Breggin spoke the truth when it got him into trouble. Wish I had read Toxic Psychiatry the year it came out. It could have saved me years of heart ache and misery.
I’m in favor of restrictions on pharmaceutical crimes. But as long as government officials stand to benefit there will be none. The FDA has proven worse than useless in the recent ECT hearings.
Get rid of Big Pharma lobbyists AND lying commercials. Not an either/or proposition. Though ending legal bribes will probably lead to the latter. Crooks aren’t into evil for evil’s sake the way altruists are into goodness for goodness’s sake.
If she did go drug free it would probably end her position as a peer specialist and might get her involuntarily committed. So–if she chooses to leave–she will probably not announce it in that kind of setting.
Surprised they allowed you to make this presentation. But the low-key method you used helped. Congratulations on using the term “drugs.” They aren’t medicines the way insulin, thyroxin, or antibiotics are. The first two are to be taken long term but replace real deficiencies in the body. Antibiotics are only prescribed short term.
Zoloft replaces nothing, kills nothing known to be harmful, yet is prescribed for a lifetime. It’s destroying my 12 year old nephew’s brain. 🙁
For me, just going off my drugs wasn’t enough. Had to leave the “mental health” setting. Being told how sick, helpless, hopeless, and dependent you are–day after day–year after year–can be depressing.
Not necessarily harm them. Just turn them into helpless drug addicts good for nothing but Consuming psych drugs till they die 30 years prematurely.
Most shrinks aren’t Snidely Whiplash types, but they just prefer their prestigious, cushy jobs to acknowledging, “Hey these drugs–the only thing I can actually do is prescribe them–are harming patients. Making many crazier than they ever were to start with. Causing all of them horrible, scary health problems, brain shrinkage, and nerve damage. Diminished quality AND quantity of life. Why am I even here?”
(All bets are off for the high ranking creepers on the Inner Circle. You know. The “well informed” ones.)
Once you let yourself ask this question you’re faced with the ugly task of leaving the field for training in a different specialty where lawsuits can occur or talk therapy that pays 1/4 or less what filling out a dozen prescriptions for 4 patients in one hour would. Your pesky conscience may turn you into a whistle blower. If their’s one thing psychiatry hates more than those it “helps” it’s a conscience.
Yet Psychiatry says it’s guarding society from sociopaths and psychopaths. Ha ha.
Surprised this was published on MIA. It reads like an article from NAMI or Psychology Today.
Who says “boys need more help because they won’t accept passive roles and ask for quarts of happy pills to smile ALL the time?”
More like “Why do girls accept passive roles for mental illness promoters and ask for/take quarts of happy pills to smile 100% of the time?” That’s the real problem
Saw an article on Xojane explaining how happy the writer was for her “depression diagnosis.” Somehow she felt guilty for not being HAPPY 100% of the time and not grinning like the Cheshire cat 24/7. Why was she ashamed of a simple feeling? Like being unhappy was a crime or something?
She admitted the SSRI’s didn’t help all the time. But she seemed to see the “diagnosis” as a note from her doctor. “Please excuse Jane from smiling all day today. She has depression–a real honest-to-gosh BRAIN DISEASE. She has the right to look unhappy now and then.”
Why is this a thing? Why this sadness shaming?
If Jane is sad all the time and wants to feel better that’s one thing. But why does she have to fake exuberance and joy? That may be causing her depression. Partly caused mine.
I was thoughtful, pensive, and occasionally melancholy as a young girl. Not only was this seen as NOT GOOD, but this led to bullying in high school/social phobia/then full blown depression.
The teachers/counselors didn’t do much to teach me social self defense or emotional resilience. Just “self esteem affirmations” I couldn’t believe. Then drugs. Always my “problem” for not fitting in. Like they want us all to be vapid, shallow morons.
Be yourself. As long as you’re “mentally healthy” like everyone else. 😛
Psychiatry was a strong right arm of the Soviet Union.
Smaller government is the answer. Not a bigger totalitarian state which would only appropriate psychiatry for the new regime.
If we got rid of the FDA and abolished cronyism and bribery (lobbying) Big Pharma would lose its legal clout and the government would lose the incentive to push travesties like the “Cures Act” through.
This is good. In middle school a nasty boy kept calling me ugly and hid his face pointedly whenever I entered. One day I said, “Thank you for sparing me the sight of your face Chad.” He quit trying that!
Do you think teaching victims of bullying to do stand up comedy instead of karate might be a good idea?
Thanks Sam. I have read these comments from you before and appreciate you are not speaking OVER your wife. Most SO’s who do are not on this site.
Every now and then a controlling (possibly abusive) relative does show up. Like that one woman who censored her adult daughter’s reading material–wouldn’t let her online without watching over her shoulder it seems–and said she didn’t care if the “meds” killed her daughter in her forties or fifties. Ick!
Most of us know you aren’t anything like “Kate.” Glad for your wife and you as well. Most “Kates” are very unhappy people. No wonder their SO’s are so crazy to start with.
My own parents played a more ambiguous role in my psychiatrization. Most do. Other SO’s know the loved ones are being hurt, losing all ability to function but can’t stop it.
I know you’re not a “Kate.” Many others do too. But I hope you’ll be charitable and patient to those whose suffering makes them uncharitable and impatient with kindly SO’s like you who only want to love and heal.
Maybe show the kids kindness and compassion instead of brain damage and torture…but that would be just plain nutty.
As Breggin points out in an article from years back, if they were doing this as a form of punishment for actual crimes committed, a bunch of human rights groups would be breathing down their necks but torturing/crippling/killing (through negligence) the innocent are all acceptable. They’re only “treating” “useless eaters” and “defectives” after all.
And how can they determine numbers of stuff that might have been so but isn’t?
Great science fiction. But don’t confuse the figures pulled out of thin air with science.
If people read these statistics and know the “chemical imbalance” myth is BS I guess that’s informed consent. If they want to try anyhow they must be desperate and at least they have all the facts.
Like most survivors here I was lied to.
A positive and more accurate word for these drugs is “emotional pain killers.”
In my case the cocktail prevented me from working. 90% of “med compliant” people can’t maintain gainful employment. As far as the woman you cited Craig, it may be the placebo effect. If she suddenly quit her neuroleptic she probably would suffer withdrawals. And as a peer support specialist being “naughty” would definitely lead to her getting fired. Not just that her “meds” are working but she needs to toe the line.
“Comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.”
Psychiatry is about comforting the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted. The perfect “science” for grown-up bullies who loved to name call on the playground and torture the weak. Just like the names bullies gave their victims stuck through school the “diagnostic” insults last through life.
A remote rural area, over a hundred miles away from a psychiatric hospital or ward. No shrinks here either. And no one knows my history.
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They prefer not to see us as human beings. They WILL not listen to our pleas for mercy or how their precious pills–which grant them status as Real Doctors–have maimed and killed countless millions.
Instead, they chalk up our laments to proof of how hopelessly sick and crazy we are. Blame the iatrogenic damage from their professional treatments on defective genes/brain chemistry. Both assumed rather than proven to exist.
Which made staying in the “mental health” system life under a medical dictatorship. Rather than negotiate I fled.
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Joshua–you might be interested in this list of anti-psychiatry principles and demands. It was created by a group of psychiatric survivors calling themselves Anti-Psychiatry Rising.
WE BELIEVE
1. That psychiatry is a tool of social control which enforces conformity to the prevailing social order.
2. That “mental illness” is a semantically absurd concept which falsely conflates the abstraction known as the mind with the physical brain to mislead people into believing they have literal diseases.
3. That the psychiatric system cannot be reformed but must be abolished.
WE DEMAND
1. An end to all forced psychiatric procedures and “treatments,” included but not limited to incarceration, solitary confinement, physical restraints, drugging, and electroshock.
2. An end to all state support for psychiatry, including but not limited to the use of psychiatric testimony in legal proceedings; psychiatric screenings in schools, prisons, and workplaces; licensing of psychiatrists; and the use of public monies to support psychiatric programs or research.
WE ASSERT
And plan to exercise–our right as an oppressed class to fundamental human rights and self-determination.
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I’m sorry KateL.
In a similar situation.
On drugs for 25 years. Off for 5.
Feels like I have a moderate case of chronic fatigue syndrome most days. It was worse during withdrawal, but my energy levels are still low. Under 50 but feel at least 75.
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Thank you, Antonia. The irony is I went through the system because I hated myself and wanted to become more normal. The experts made me more abnormal than ever and gave me a badge of shame.
Now I come across as a socially awkward but sweet and deep woman in midlife with multiple health issues. The latter puzzle people more than anything else about me. I also think I’ve suffered neurological damage due to extremely poor short term memory and not seeing things around me. (Worse than before I took the pills. Going off helps me appreciate my loss in cognitive function more.)
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Maybe follow the Golden Rule? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?
But running a society based on that premise has never been tried before. And I don’t think there is any law to make people kinder or more compassionate. Any more than there’s a kind of medical treatment. (The legal and medical tyrants trying to enforce morality by brute force are light years from practicing their own rules. No better than self-styled theocrats when it comes down to it.)
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Yep. Are they really that lacking in awareness of how this harms relationships just like the system’s drugs harm us physically?
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I too am a Christian. I found a deliverance more helpful than years of so-called therapy.
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I find single womanhood doable–as long as I don’t date. Lol
Dating apps stink.
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Thank you, Sam.
Violating the conscience is a form of emotional abuse.
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Psychiatry hurts people. Not just physically but the soul.
Ironic how the would-be-healers claim that afflicted part does not exist but go on to damage it by assaulting the organ they associate with the soul.
Some old school psychiatrists helped people feel better through talking and listening. But I have found a way to get this help through friends and pastoral counseling.
Just like I can get help for my underactive thyroid, anemia, B12 deficiency without “mental health.” These are physical problems known to cause depression and fatigue.
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Psychiatry is a liar. Mental illness is its Big Lie.
The best weapon against any lie is the truth.
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Thanks Rosalee.
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Just like corn syrup for diabetes. Lol
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Hope you had a merry Christmas too, Bippyone.
I guess the psychiatrist who “helped” you did not like feminism.
Julie Greene once told me how psychiatrists decide how normal something is. Do they agree with/do it themselves? If they do, it is healthy and normal.
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Thank you, Rebel.
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Thanks KS.
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Existential has different meanings.
It can mean physical–or wiping out all or nearly most of humanity like that cheerful family flick The Road. (Lol)
Or it can mean a profound threat to more than mere corporeal existence. And often of the individual. The existential angst of Franz Kafka’s works for instance.
Psychiatry brought on a profound crisis of the latter with me. It conflicted with my former life philosophy that I was a unique human being who had a soul and free will. Psychiatry told me that, “No. You are just a bunch of random chemicals firing in a skull. And yours aren’t even firing correctly or the chemical balance is off. So you are subhuman at your innermost being.”
And these same Lab Coats whine about stigma. How “It isn’t fair that the mentally ill are discriminated against, scapegoated, and seen as subhuman monsters.” They write books and articles lamenting this.
Then you read between the lines. They really don’t give a rip about those who suffer from the “stigma” they create by their dehumanizing quackery. (Even NAMI owns that the “bio model” is counter productive in changing public perception for the better.) Lab Coats really just are worried about how their “stigma” may bite them when people are too afraid of having their lives and relationships destroyed to “get the help they need.”
That shrink’s yacht won’t pay for itself. Lower stigma folks. Just the right level. Enough to encourage unlimited involuntary “treatments” but not enough to discourage voluntary consumers either.
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Been thinking about the Murphy Bill. How in 2017 D.J. Jaffe and Torrey conducted a media blitz ranting about all those “untreated mentally ill mass shooters.” Every other day it seemed some new “mentally ill” mass shooting occurred.
How “safe and effective treatments” were touted as necessary for the greater good. Not necessarily to help the “mentally ill” but for all they might come in contact with because they were such monsters when left untreated. Otherwise they were “almost as safe as regular people.”
Know why I stayed on those drugs that destroyed my ability to think, feel, or live independently for decades? Lots of guilting from places like NAMI. “If you don’t take you’re cocktail you are being selfish. And you might kill someone like Andrea Yates did drowning her children.”
I know the role psych drugs played with Yates and the mass shootings. But the narrative put profits above facts or the health of those trapped in the mental system.
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Congressman Tim Murphy loved to use them.
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FWIW, Jan, not everyone who reads MIA is a psychiatric survivor. Of course those who have never been on the receiving end of psychiatric abuse do not share our lived experience.
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Well said.
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I remember back in 2017 when D.J. Jaffe and “Doc” Torrey were plugging away at the narrative of the mass shootings. With the help of the MSM who relied upon Big pHarma sponsorship.
The reason they called for the passage of Murphy’s Bill? Public health and safety. The “severely mentally ill” had no right to run around at large without their medication because–according to respected doctors such as Torrey, Pies, and countless others–they were putting others at risk.
Yes, they were–nearly all–out of their minds on these “safe, effective treatments” when they committed these mass killings. But the doctors didn’t care to share this because they had a product to promote. The last thing they wanted was to “pill shame” the psychiatric profession by drawing attention to the role SSRI’s play in violent or disinhibited behaviors or the dulling of emotions such as empathy or guilt that can prevent murders.
I believed the lying narrative for years. I believed the medical experts who lied to me and obeyed them. Out of fear of brining grief to my friends/family/innocent bystanders I took my cocktail religiously. I knew it was shortening my life and disabling me. Yet I took it as an act of duty and sacrifice for those around me.
Sadly this sacrifice was not only unnecessary, but the soul killing drugs made me a worse person–not better–to be around. Furthermore, it ruined my ability to care for myself. I’m slightly better, but had to rely on others because the drugs reduced me to a state of childish dependence for a quarter century of my life,
The men and women I looked to for controlling my “illness” did not care about people like me and had no qualms about lying through their teeth or knowingly poisoning us (psychiatric drugs are a “slow kill”) to further their careers and get free cruises and other goodies from Big pHarma.
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Since going off mind altering drugs that cause mood swings and rejecting my “bipolar” label I am acting normally again. Learned normal social skills in my forties. Been in the system for 25 years.
Psychiatry drove me crazy. Leaving restored my senses.
“Mental health” exists solely to drive sane people crazy or prevent the crazy from ever returning to reality. Big profits in keeping people insane and helpless.
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“You are nothing without me. You can’t make it on your own. You’re not smart enough to care for yourself and no one but a professional–like me–can stand to be around you.”
Shrinks act and talk a lot like domestic abusers.
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Dr. Gotzche, thank you for this article.
I loved your book Deadly Medicines and Organized Crime: How Big Pharma has Corrupted Health Care.
Do you think that book played a role in Big Pharma’s concentrated efforts to get you banned–along with Kelly Brogan and others–from Big Tech platforms?
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I got around that by relocating. I tell everyone–including my HUD apartment manager–that I get SSI for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and an eye condition. Both real and iatrogenic in origin.
Feeling well enough to look for work so I won’t have to worry about a reevaluation by the System. I will move back to my parents’ homestead in the near future too.
I wish David–described in the article–had waited another year. It took me two years after tapering off sertraline before I could feel good things again.
In my late forties I experience more carnal desire than I did twenty-five years ago. Everything has been restored emotionally. Maybe cognitively. Though I struggle to organize and don’t know if biology or frontal lobe damage is to blame. But my amygdala is up and running again.
I love music now. And I’ve become an excellent singer at church now that I have heart to put into it. And I know how to maneuver social situations too.
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I have read a number of articles about teens and even middle schoolers committing suicide and leaving notes or telling loved ones it was because of the lockdown beforehand. Yet there are no more suicides than usual since March of last year.
Glory be! The suicides for other causes must have dropped. As the writer has noted suicides can also be from political unrest, economic problems, and domestic abuse. Ergo we can assume all three of these factors are no longer the problems they once were.
Thank you, Lancet Psychiatry. I won’t forget this report in the future.
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Good point.
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Yes. OH frequently has vented this to me in our correspondence.
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Well said!
Now that I left my old community I’m doing better.
My undrugged personality is nicer and I can understand social cues at last.
My neighbors think I’m only disabled due to my autoimmune disease. (I really have one thanks to 25 years on drugs.) They treat me like a normal human. The whole experience is overwhelmingly sweet.
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The “nocebo” effect. What happened to me after 3 weeks on a drug that kept me from sleeping. And a rushed trip to a psych ward where they convinced me it was not the pills but my brain to blame. My new identity as a schizoaffective was born.
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Sorry about your experience Ekaterina.
It wasn’t just your chocolate or face creams that were taken. It was your peace of mind and security.
I had a lot of my nicer clothing stolen during a visit years ago. This stuff happens all the time in psych wards.
Years of these figurative slaps in the face led me to flee the System when an opportunity arose.
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For that matter did the nurse–who gets a lot more than the pittance her charges have to survive on–DESERVE those things? Does the nurse deserve to rob much poorer people? Does she deserve to rule the most socially vulnerable. Those with no credibility or hope of redress when wronged?
If you’re searching for a bad guy to condemn, please consider those running the place and abusing their positions.
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Had to recover from 24 years in the system by hiding in my parents’ back room for a year to withdraw. A remote, rural area.
Every afternoon I lowered my aching, trembling body into bed so I would have the strength to eat dinner. Drug withdrawals. My parents had no idea why I was so horribly ill on a physical level.
I also had to cope with painful thoughts. I can never have a family now. I’m forced to live on less than $10,000 a year. In chronic pain thanks to long term drug damage.
All so some controlling bureaucrat can present himself as a “real doctor” and earn $300,000 a year instead of a piddling $100,000. Sigh.
I have forgiven the individuals responsible. But what they did was wrong.
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Drugs don’t stop child abuse.
I used to teach Sunday school and was asked to stop because women found out about my “diagnosis.” So hurtful and unjust.
Maybe people should be judged on the content of their character–what they actually DO–instead of what some quack in a lab coat says after talking to them and looking at files for 10 minutes.
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I saw him in an interview with a renowned journalist back in 2017. He was talking about how the “mentally ill” should be psychiatrized since “they will just wind up in institutions otherwise.”
Makes me wonder if he knew how the standard “treatments” work by crippling and removing the labeled from mainstream society and “functional” people. By ruining our ability to function properly and causing us ticks, massive weight gain, and flattened facial expressions to aid in segregation.
Very callous dismissal of human beings. Utilitarian and light years away from compassion.
Not here to bash Jaffe, but point out how this ugly attitude has infected (metaphorically) so many faucets of society. Jaffe is dead, but utilitarianism remains alive and well. Along with the bioreductionist model–which dehumanizes everyone.
The “mentally ill” are viewed as malfunctioning robots (actually read an article in Psychology Today calling someone that because of her unusually cruel behaviors) but everyone else–by default–is just a well functioning robot. Psychiatry dehumanizes us all. Including the “normals.”
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Psychology is a branch of the humanities. This should not be viewed as a bad thing.
The sciences are a worthy field. So are the arts, the humanities, and philosophy.
A fish is not a bird. This is not to the detriment of aquatic life.
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Sam, what you describe in the second paragraph is a fallacy. Guilt by association.
Similar to linking RW to the Church of Scientology. Though he has no connections nor endorse it in any of his writings.
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Do you think that’s why Dr. Pies so freely admits to the “chemical imbalance metaphor” in many articles?
He and his fellow quacks can laugh up their sleeves at everyone else’s gullibility, but also vent their indignation that the public think they’re stupid enough to believe their own BS. And they won’t be called out for it this way.
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Dr. Lies! Bwahahaha.
That’s good, Sam.
Psychiatry is really more of a lie than a science.
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I reach out to someone by phone every day.
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If a priest thinks your confession warrants kidnapping you, locking you up for days/weeks/months and plying you with psychological torture including the pharmaceutical variety he will go to prison. A shrink will be handsomely rewarded.
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Like a Gilbert and Sullivan opera where a young man is scheduled for execution as the penalty for threatening suicide.
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Why would he need a list for the “SMI”? Last I heard Biden wanted to abolish the second amendment and remove all guns. Rendering such a list superfluous.
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You got that right. Nobody has the right to kill.
Including doctors in the name of “treatment” or “mercy.”
I too miss Julie.
A lot.
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A bit confusing Dr. Caplan. “Mentally ill” and developmentally delayed are not the same thing. As someone with an above average IQ I found being conflated with the second frustrating. Nothing wrong with not being too smart, but I got sick of being lumped in with them all the time. We are NOT all alike. The case workers often hated those like me because they couldn’t handle anyone not significantly below themselves in cognitive abilities. Julie Green often complained to me about similar things.
Glad I’m out of that situation.
But, like the DD people, those labeled “mentally ill” seem to get a great deal of not being held morally accountable. Severe “treatments” rather than overt punishment. But it’s not any better. Especially since they can “treat” or punish you for crimes you may commit in the future.
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Mainstream psychiatry is cancer. A blight on the medical field.
The perfect excuse to ignore–not just the patient’s legitimate grief or trauma–but real physical ailments that could be treated or cured but the doctor is too busy to bother with.
The question is not whether psychiatry can be reformed, but whether Western medicine can be reformed. Doctors are so authoritarian now I hate seeing one.
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There are a few other situations I’d see a doctor for. A really bad infection that won’t go away for example.
But your comment reminds me that setting a broken leg (or other bone) is the one thing the Christian Science cult allows its members to get help for.
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A lot of people say dumb things thinking they’ll make us feel better but do the opposite.
I remember an old Schwartzenegger picture where he body slams his comic relief and shouts, “Stop trying to cheer me up!!!”
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I was repeatedly told in NAMI and day treatment and clubhouse that if I ever went off my “meds” I would either kill myself or someone else or both. Therefore it was my moral obligation to take the drugs even though they made me ill and I realized they would kill me prematurely.
Sad to realize the drugs were making me harder to live with and ruining my ability to perform ADLs and basic hygiene. Years and years of being lied to and about to my nearest and dearest. 🙁
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Szasz made the comparison of a kindly, well meaning shrink handing out drugs for unhappiness in the sincere belief it will help people to an 18th century physician using blood letting on cholera sufferers.
Good intentions can kill in medicine if the premise is unfounded.
Psychiatry needs to go the way of leeches and bloodletting. The ideology is cancer to the medical system regardless of sincere, well intentioned people.
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Psychiatrists are less moral than meth dealers.
I’m talking about mainstream shrinks respected by the APA establishment. Not outliers or mavericks like Breggin and those who write for MIA.
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Yep. Psychiatry justifies and rationalizes the damage it does to the public by saying “Their genes make them intrinsically different from you. They don’t have thoughts or feelings like real people.”
As they watch the cognitive deterioration caused by their “safe and effective treatments” they sooth their consciences by saying, “They were only fit for asylums. If I hadn’t dumbed and numbed them out these defectives MIGHT have broken the law or even hurt someone.”
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I already have read enough of your writings to know you don’t support TAC or involuntary confinements to psych wards David.
I believe you were the one who got Bob Whitaker to research the efficacy of psychiatric drugs weren’t you? We survivors owe you–as well as he–a debt of gratitude.
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And, as Peter Breggin says in his videos, we know very little about the human brain too. Mainstream psychiatry would have us believe our brain chemistry consists of only two chemicals. Serotonin and dopamine. To be “tweaked” with those “life saving meds” they hand out like office mints. (At least they won’t force feed you their stale office candy if you decline.)
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Hi David. I really appreciate what you are trying to do.
Here’s the problem I see with the concept of Mad Pride and why I find it hard to incorporate into the anti psychiatry/critical psychiatry narrative.
First of all let’s look at the archetypes (AKA “diagnoses”) of “severe mental illnesses.” The two most notorious are “Bipolar” and “Schizophrenia.” I’ll describe them–though I don’t believe in them–as I would Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
“Bipolar symptoms” include behaviors like cheating on your partner, petty theft for fun, verbal and even physical abuse, chasing someone with a knife, lying all the time, drowning your children, killing sprees like Ted Bundy, and mass shootings. All these behaviors have been attributed to “bipolar” by psychiatrists respected in their fields.
“Schizophrenic symptoms” include selfish coldness, hating humanity, violent crimes, killing sprees, and (of course) mass shootings.
By calling myself “mentally ill” or owning my designated role I’ll be living down to the reputation forced upon me by uncaring shrinks. If I’m not guilty of any of the behaviors listed above it’s a form of libelous slander to call me by one of the two “SMI” designations.
The LGBT community found acceptance because, after the sixties, people became more accepting of different expressions of sexuality. They have no problem accepting gays because they’re just like everyone else. Law abiding citizens with no reputation for harming others.
But because of its associations with violent crimes and other bad behaviors “severe mental illness” will never be accepted unless those labeled with it advertise the restraints they wear. Usually chemical. I often tried this in my years as a NAMI activist/mascot. “Look. We’re not bad. We aren’t serial killers or violent. We take our meds! Please accept and like us. We’ll be good and always take our meds even if they make us horribly ill, rot our brains, and kill us before age 53.” 🙁
I guess you can attempt to redefine what “severe mental illnesses” are and explain that even without drugs, shocks, confinement we can be law abiding, non violent citizens. But in the end shrinks define what “bipolar” and “schizophrenia” mean.
And as OH has pointed out there are no biomarkers. These are not legitimate illnesses or disabilities like your paralysis is David. The disabilities many of us share were inflicted by psychiatric remedies. Not problems we were born with.
The reason “born this way” won’t work with survivors is people will still avoid us. In fact it’s worse since they write you off as hopeless. NAMI has been trying this for years. Though for much of the time they’ve known it doesn’t work.
It’s especially problematic if you want the right to live drug free. As many here do. Society views the decision of the “severe mentally ill” to go without their “meds” as so dangerously irresponsible as to be criminal. To their way of thinking by going off your cocktail you run the risk of killing loved ones, cheating on your spouse, violently assaulting strangers, or the ever popular mass shooting spree. Not just your life at risk but all you come in contact with.
The ONLY reason I stayed on my cocktail for 23 years was a sense of obligation to all around me. I knew those pills were harming me and making it hard to function cognitively. But doctors I implicitly trusted assured me I would morph into Ms. Hyde without them and I felt it was wrong to take that risk.
But if you can find ways to work around this narrative–that the “severely mentally ill” are not just rude and inconsiderate but dangerous*–more power to you David Oak. I wish you and the Mad Pride movement well, though I respectfully disagree on its efficacy at ending involuntary and inhumane psychiatric treatment.
* We’re usually depicted as dangerous but not quite self aware enough to be evil, like house pets with rabies.
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I continued taking Effexor in gradually tapering doses for well over a year. Hard drug to go off!
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They aren’t Jesus. But they love to play God and take on the role of Messiah.
Only instead of offering themselves up to be crucified, they expect us to allow ourselves to be. Voluntary would be nice–but not essential. Actually that makes us martyrs…or is that unwitting test subjects?
“You need to suck it up. We all have to make sacrifices,” says the doctor making a 7 digit income off those like you, driving his luxury car off to one of his million dollar mansions. After successfully destroying your livelihood, adult independence, ability to feel happy, and all your ability to have ordinary human relationships. Ain’t doctors swell?
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Hugs Aunty!
From across the Pond.
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Lol.
Been off mine for three.
My blind obedience and worshipful submission to these unreliable cons playing god, made me a permanent burden to society. And especially the people I cared about.
It wasn’t in the best interest of me as an individual or the collective either. Unless you count morally (but not financially) bankrupt collectives like Big Pharma or the APA. It stinks to struggle with ADLs and only have $700 a month to live on.
I never wanted that lifestyle for myself nor did my parents. We thought I was getting helped by all the “meds” they claimed were keeping me from losing all cognitive skills and becoming violent. Just the opposite.
Now I hope to support myself as a “creative” like many survivors and even the few “consumers” who get off SSI. Struggling to “adult” in my forties when I’m much frailer than most my age. But at least my mind is coming back. My IQ has gone up nearly 20 points.
My dad is pretty angry and sad too. Occasionally he’ll commiserate with me over the life I lost. Mom is okay with my choice to leave “mental health” but insists the drugs used to help me. Claiming I acted weird at one point when I was fully compliant and took them religiously. (She doesn’t see the fallacy here.)
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Hmm. The Experts kept telling my fellow “consumers” and me it was imperative to take drugs that crippled us, damaged our health, and sent many of us into a non stop depression. Why? For the greater good of society.
Does that count as individualism? It’s what the “mental health” center preached to us at every session.
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“Mental illness” is not a social construct so much as an etiological one.
A phrase which makes no sense when viewed too carefully.
How does “mental illness” differ from neurological or brain illness? is a question to ask. How William Glasser got me to reconsider the hopeless “disease” I’d been repeatedly told I had.
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Because they’ve chosen to write off these suffering people as either beyond help or not worth helping. (By help I mean ordinary human help or TLC which you stop receiving once labeled SMI.)
The “medicines” often have the desired effect of turning intelligent but suffering people into docile, childish creatures. Incapable of independent living or any quality of life most adults prefer yet easy to “take care of” or control.
Like severing someone’s spinal cord so they’ll obey the caretaker ordering them to a lifetime of bedrest.
Or cutting off a songbird’s wings and severing the vocal cords so it won’t fly away or annoy its keepers by singing. The songbird is unhappy but what it wants doesn’t matter.
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Yes. I mustn’t live in the past or might-have-been but what is.
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Once I discovered the hoax about the “chemical imbalance” I look back on what I’ve been through with anger.
The drugs which were supposed to prevent cognitive deterioration (according to my doctor) did the opposite.
I frequently beat up on myself for my inability to find gainful employment, have decent human relationships or keep my house clean. Now I can do all the three.
They were forcing us to hobble around with our feet in fetters and ridiculing us for not running laps like they could. (Clubhouse/Day Treatment/NAMI) Disabling us while pretending to help us.
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The notion that I was hopelessly insane almost drove me to suicide.
Psychiatrists see only “bipolars” and “schizophrenics.” I see human beings.
Psychiatry exists to make a distinction between the “normals” with full rights as citizens and human beings and the “severely mentally ill” creatures who can be viewed as incompetent idiots (regardless of demonstrated cognitive abilities) or dangerous criminal masterminds (regardless of the content of our character.) Or both. Whichever psychiatrists–and any “normals” who know how to exploit us–find convenient.
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I was referring to the article RW critiques.
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Such a poorly written, shoddy piece of “journalism.”
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Dr. Goetzhe wrote a book comparing Big Pharma to organized crime. And Psychiatry is their right arm. If not merely the right hand side of this underground dystopia.
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Well said.
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A big problem is all or almost all the media rely on Big Pharma ad revenue for the magazine or channel to stay afloat.
“Always the patient’s fault.” Should be the motto for the American Psychiatric Association.
I strongly recommend the site Surviving Antidepressants for those who need help coming off and can’t get it. I cold turkeyed off Lamictal since I couldn’t cut the tablets. But I only took it for 13 days after being hospitalized.
Personally I found Abilify was a snap to come off. Went from 20 mg to 15 mg. Then 15-10; 10-7.5; 7.5-5; 5-2.5; 2.5-0. 2 weeks between each gradation. 10 weeks with only a few headaches. But Effexor was another thing altogether. Took me 13 months to come off 150 mg.
No more suicidal thoughts or melt downs since. The pills were holding me back.
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I’m more at risk for dying if I contract Covid-19 due to my autoimmune disease caused by years on SSRIs.
Why is it surprising that STIMULANTS which wear the body down by artificially boosting energy levels make kids more prone to infection and poor prognosis from the infection?
Does forcing a child to drink 5 cups of coffee and a 6 pack of Mountain Dew every flu season make them less at risk for infection?
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I do NOT defend that by any means Oldhead.
Our opponents would (probably) argue that it’s different because it’s not punishment, but “help.”
Peter Breggin points out how calling random brain damage, pharmaceutical torture (that is a thing) and imprisonment “treatment” instead of punishment enables psychiatrists to treat law abiding citizens worse than convicted felons.
Would D.J. Jaffe have given the cootie treatment and avoided eye contact with some cancer victim he was trying to organize a fund raiser for? Interesting how the pro-psych force can rationalize what they do so easily.
“I have the right to force these drugs on Blanche.” TAC Dude
“Blanche doesn’t like them. She says they upset her stomach and give her terrors. I see her seize on them.” Friend of Blanche
“Blanche is ‘mentally ill’ so if she doesn’t like them that’s just her illness talking. Lol. If she seizes or throws up she’s faking it for attention.” TAC Dude
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That’s why I frequently compare psychiatrists to Dr. Farid Fata. He sold lengthy rounds of chemo to people without cancer. Killing some and crippling even more. Because of his gutless professional colleagues he got away with it for a very long time. The whole story makes me despise the medical profession.
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His death brings me sorrow. Leukemia is an awful way to go.
Sadly it won’t undo the harmful policies passed through his activism. He was more of an advocate for annoyed family members and psychiatrists who made a killing off crippling and defaming through quack treatments than the “consumers” themselves.
What Briana describes in her encounter with him, his refusal to make eye contact or acknowledge her humanity is what I remember during my 25 years in psychiatry. Numbed and dumbed down as I was, I felt it keenly.
In dehumanizing others they dehumanize themselves.
It’s sobering that Jaffe will never have another chance to make amends to those he–more or less–unwittingly harmed. To undo his TAC policies is up to others.
Rest in peace Jaffe. May Heaven have mercy on your soul.
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Thanks.
I don’t consider myself an anti vaxxer though. At least not as far as the basic MMR shots go. Even polio shots are still a good idea.
These shots are highly effective. And the polio one saves children’s lives.
My brother and I had all four as children. But I got my Chicken Pox immunity the old fashioned way.
Dedicating my time to trying to help keep local small businesses afloat. Pam Popper’s gives some tips on how we can do this. I highly recommend looking up her interview with Peter Breggin on YouTube.
A lot of people are desperately afraid they will lose their homes or be unable to scrape enough beans and rice together to feed their children. I visit a cafe near me and promised the owner’s daughter working behind the cash register that if another lockdown takes place I will still get carry out there regularly.
She thanked me profusely.
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I agree Steve.
I wish the best for all here.
Have a nice weekend everyone!
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Just thought I’d mention that Pies’s article has been “misplaced.” A computer glitch I’m sure. Not like there was too much traffic from this site to the shrinks’ dirty little secret conflicting with those cute commercials.
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Sorry KateL.
This whole thing is a nightmare.
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KS, so you believe this is temporary?
I understand where you are coming from. I only wish I shared your optimism. Google “social distancing is permanent” and see all the articles that pop up and read a few.
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I’m resigned to dying in the next year or two.
Things are unsustainable. They won’t get better, just worse.
The hope of death in the near future is all that sustains me now. Soon this nightmare apocalypse will be behind me.
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Big Pharma is making money faster than ever as small businesses are forced to close. Not big chain stores though. This isn’t about preventing infection since more stores mean more distancing. It’s about cronyism and lobbying.
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My elderly friend is in isolation and may fall and break her hip. If so I guess they’ll find her body before it decomposes too badly.
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Okay. You want to spend the rest of your life in isolation? Because that’s what all the experts recommend. Utter isolation at home alone for everyone forever.
The only plan out there!
Sounds like a quality life and very healthy too.
Nobody work or see friends or family ever again. Stay locked at home for 50-60 years till you die. WONDERFUL.
Funny how a lifetime of permanent isolation is healthy now. Not like any of us have social needs after all.
This will never end. Get used to permanent house arrest. Years and decades.
The New Normal means you can never have coffee with friends again. I prefer death from this alleged plague myself. The rest of you can enjoy this nightmare dystopia. Funny how I’m the only person who finds it depressing. Crazy me to want friends and fresh air instead of spending the last years of my life locked alone in a room eating beans.
Weird how everyone but me suddenly loves endless isolation, wants it to last forever and enjoys dying alone. Cause you will die even without the Covid. Utterly ALONE IN ISOLATION.
Wish I enjoyed loneliness and hated companionship like the rest of you cranks. Everyone else loves being cut off alone FOREVER.
THIS WILL NEVER EVER END.
Why is Covid death so scary? As the last person with human needs or emotions I wish it or something else would kill me.
Dr. Fauci says we’ll probably never have a vaccine and should never be allowed out of our houses till the virus completely vanishes which he is pretty certain it won’t. Ergo permanent lockdown forever according to the Experts.
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And who ordered the months of social isolation?
Oh yes. The Scientific Ex-Spurts suddenly decided isolating is not only healthy but praiseworthy. If you don’t enjoy it, it’s your fault and they will force drugs on you while forcing even more isolation on you.
Glad I live in the country. Like many labeled SMI I’m no stranger to loneliness. If I avoid thinking about the future I’m okay.
Curious how many other survivors are holding up. Like everyone else is caving in but we’ve already been through this crap. Same old, same old.
I wish these controlling Science Ex-Spurts would experiment on themselves. At least they’re too busy to hunt down every single depressed person now. Easier to escape their notice.
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“If someone has committed a heinous crime let them pay their debt to society.”
Well said Caroline. We already have the legal system to punish all of us for law breaking.
But psychiatry has the authority to punish regardless of our behavior. The unquestioned absolute authority to inflict cruel and unusual punishment (without limit) on even the most mild mannered law abiding saints–more sinned against than sinning. Just because some Expert deems them biologically unfit for basic human rights or simple kindness and decency.
Psychiatry punishes the “biologically unfit” for the crime of existing. 🙁
Because of this pseudo science our culture chooses to judge us on the word of some Ex-Spurt Sciencey Dude–who just flipped through old notes without talking to us. Not the content of our character.
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After i got labeled I hated myself. Everyone treated me like a monster.
The drugs killed all my ability to experience positive emotions and caused daily seizures. Everyone blamed my desire for suicide on my “illness.”
When they say, “You’re not your illness” it’s pretty laughable. In their eyes all “consumers” are walking diseases.
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I will.
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Have a respected medical professional prescribe them. My mistake. And countless others.
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What scares me far worse than the thought of death itself–or even the deaths of my beloved Boomer parents–is losing touch with our humanity. If I see someone in need who can’t be helped otherwise I’ll gladly expose myself and stay in quarantine later.
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It takes time.
I chose to forgive the people who injured me. But it took a long time.
If you don’t want to or feel you can’t I sympathize.
Part of forgiving meant acknowledging the wrongs done me. I’d always been taught nice girls don’t get angry or remember wrongs. My grandma told me we automatically forget bad treatment because girls are naturally sweet–made up of sugar and spice and all things nice. 😛 Nope.
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My thoughts exactly Willoweed.
My odd behaviors and personality changes were similar to those of an alcoholic. My mom mentioned this but we never put two and two together.
Took me over twenty years to find stuff online saying the drugs I took were anything but life saving and essential. Or telling how to go off them without melting down. Ages 20 to 44 in psychiatry.
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I’m better now.
Made real progress emotionally, cognitively, and finally physically.
I get along with people now. Smiling easily. I shower every day and keep up on household chores. And I am finishing writing projects since the first time in my teens.
I attribute these changes to going off drugs and rejecting the role society assigned me of madwoman.
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I’ve heard of kids “inheriting” trauma.
It’s not to be confused with abuse. If anything the mother may strive to protect her children from the horrors she went through. Unfortunately this can backfire however kind and noble the intentions.
For example the children of Holocaust survivors and those who were molested as children.
You can’t fault the parent anymore than you can of unwittingly giving the child a cold. It just happens. The right kind of family therapy might help the parent. Such as Choice Theory by William Glasser. He only counseled adults. If the children acted out he would advise the parents on how to show love while preparing the child for life.
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Being told you have an incurable brain disease that will keep you depressed forever is depressing.
Since (many believe) depression exists as a feeling, hopelessness will make the feeling worse. Plus the drugs make you sluggish and apathetic which can also cause “low grade” depression.
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Bingo!
But I still like this article. Reminds me of when I had no identity aside from “mentally ill.”
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Yeah. Fine line between whacking myself over the head for everything that goes wrong and blaming others.
I dated a man also labeled “bipolar” though we had little else in common. One day I realized how we kept apologizing to each other in an excessive, compulsive manner.
“Nobody’s fault, it’s a brain disease” translates to “everything that goes wrong is the fault of the person with the presupposed brain disease.” One of Psychiatry’s paradoxes.
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False dilemma. Reminds me of the story of how the disciples asked Jesus, “Did this man sin or did his parents so that he was born blind”?
Neither Mom nor I behaved perfectly through my existential journey into madness. Exacerbated and greatly prolonged courtesy of Big Pharma Psychiatry.
I gladly brought her to NAMI because she kept blaming herself for my weird behaviors under the influence of mind altering drugs and my new diagnostic identity.
Looking back, I’m more upset at how my crazy behaviors impacted my friends and family who stayed with me through the quarter century ordeal. I was a drug addict and none of us even knew.
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Let me try. Here’s a disorder I’ve observed first hand.
1. Prolonged use of mind altering drugs and/or electroshocks to alter moods and thoughts.
2. The treatments entail distress and poor concentration.
3. The treatments cause pain, cognitive decline, and numerous other health issues.
I’ve now “proven” that Psychiatry is a disease.
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Faking Stockholm Syndrome is the wisest course of action in that scenario.
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If you are on good terms with family members the Mental System will try to create division quite often. Happened to me and others.
They only wanted me to date other “consumers” and discouraged socializing with non-consumers. Not sure what the motives were. But cutting you off from friends is what cults do.
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I_e_cox I agree with you. This whole scenario with:
1. Expert Doctor Monarchs who must never be questioned even when they contradict each other.
2. The Doctors/Demagogues who inflict their will over us all in the name of “our own good” or “for the public” who are never held accountable for bad advice.
3. It doesn’t matter if it ruins your career, your hopes of a family, renders you homeless, depresses you, or injures your physical health from months/years of isolation and stress. Don’t you ever dare quit distancing till Experts say you can. Maybe before you die.
4. Because obedience is all that matters the Experts are happy to throw you a bone every month or two so you won’t starve (hopefully.) Quit taking care of yourself. Self reliance is evil and wrong. Only eat what the Demagogue/Doctors feed you.
1. Never question a psychiatrist. Ever. This shows “poor insight” and doctors don’t make mistakes or lie.
2. Being forced to take drugs that make you miserable, tired and stupid is for your own good. And you owe it to society to be good pill popper or you endanger them by morphing into a mass shooter or something through non compliance.
3. It doesn’t matter if you feel horrible and can no longer read, work, get along with others, or attend to basic hygiene. It doesn’t matter if the pills give you grand mal seizures, heart palpitations, spasms, make you vomit uncontrollably for days on end, or put you into a coma. You must be “meds compliant” till you die. Doctor’s orders.
4. Because compliance is all that matters, once the “meds” have incapacitated you the Experts will sign a paper so their cronies in Washington will give you a pittance every month to scrape by on. The flunkies at the Mental Illness Center chastise you for wanting to be able to care for yourself. Shame on you for wanting to work. Besides that’s unrealistic cause you’re crazy. Lol.
De ja vu. 😛
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You’re welcome.
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“Rejected the idea that insanity reduced people to animals…” Did it though?
The whole notion of “mental illness” is that those marked by psychiatrists are not fully human. Incapable of higher reasoning and completely amoral. Just like animals.
The “treated” are viewed as pets. The “untreated” as rabid dogs–either to be captured and rendered docile (helpless) or shot.
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It’s paradoxical that the notion of “mental illness” discourages trying to better yourself. Just the opposite of what AA is supposed to preach.
Being told how hopeless I was as a “bipolar” led to my relinquishing self control. (Not alcohol but a psych drug that sent me on the bad trip that ruined my life.)
It’s also disgusting how opportunists are using the notion of “alcoholism is a disease” to push far deadlier and more addictive drugs on the person as a “treatment” for drinking wine or beer.
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Since souls are immaterial the thought of healing them with drugs or surgery is ridiculous. If you believe in souls. Either way, “psychiatry” should go the way of mesmerism. It claims to heal what doesn’t exist (materially) by material means of drugs and brain mutilation.
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I recommend saying, “False dilemma fallacy!” Then repeat your original statement or question. It should be apparent to onlookers that they’ve resorted to red herrings to avoid the real issue.
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Susan, both Richard and OH agree with many of the points you have made.
Respectfully questioning is not the same as insulting. Please don’t take it personally.
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“There’s nothing also to say that a Qualified Doctor, is any better than a Library Assistant at helping a person get through Emotional Distress.”
Correct.
Doctors are great at dealing with ruptured appendixes or inflamed adenoids or broken limbs. But if you feel sad or lonely you should phone a friend.
Asking a GP for help with emotional pain is like asking one for advice on roof repair. Not their field.
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“So the obvious question is how hunting can safeguard the rights of its targeted subjects while its task remains to precisely turn them into venison jerky and sausage.”
Sorry. Couldn’t resist. 😀
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It’s been a real struggle to me not to hate humanity.
Unlike Frankenstein’s monster I used to be a human being till They damaged me beyond hope of recover and dishonored me forever in the eyes of all Humanity.
Shrinks have harmed me–while causing suffering–by pretending their cruel, pointless experiments fixed known brain abnormalities. Apparently many were laughing up their sleeves when they talked about the “scientifically proven chemical imbalance.”
But they couldn’t have done it without help from all the “normals” applauding the cruel damage. I know this was ignorance (except for a few like Pete Earley.) But if your kid were getting worse instead of better every time the doctor put him on something to “treat” the problem which wasn’t bad till after the doctor “helped” it would make sense to try figure out what was wrong.
They don’t know because they don’t care. Sticking a “loved one” in a psych ward to be drugged and shocked indefinitely is easier than doing a little research to look for ways of actually helping people. Happier handing you over to the tender mercies of the experts. Then they can ignore the relative forever. Almost as good as locking them in the old asylums.
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You’re welcome.
I wish you well.
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Lots of people have no choice Dr. Monk. Do you really think there are no social or legal repercussions to such a decision? It’s almost never an informed one.
After a break down following 3 weeks of sleeplessness from a bad reaction to the drug Anafranil my shrink cheerfully told Mom it wasn’t HIS fault her daughter had schizophrenia. Joyfully ruined my life causing everyone to write me off as a psycho killer.
Put me on 10 mg of Haldol. Hell between my ears. Seizures, constant dry mouth, tardive psychosis, eyes rolling back. All attributed to my illness.
Psychiatrists go around telling how those they diagnose are all would-be mass shooters. Through guilt by diagnosis/association they claim we’re morally defective in some intrinsic way no other human beings are. Only drugs can save us from becoming violent, suicide, cheating on our spouses, lying, stealing. All “symptoms” in various DSM categories known as “mental illnesses.” Whether we actually DO any of the above is irrelevant. The doctor has pronounced us morally diseased so we’re automatically worse than felons.
(I don’t know you personally Dr. Theolonius. But prominent members of your profession have gone on national television to warn society of the monsters posing as humans in their midst. Also known as “schizophrenics” and “bipolars.” You aren’t directly responsible for what Dr. Fuller Torrey says. But you must be aware of it.)
I was repeatedly told for 25 years that I had a brain disease with a known biomarker. That it had already been proven my “illness” came from a chemical imbalance in my broken brain. Not for two decades did I read William Glasser and then articles by the President of the APA declaring otherwise.
Had to relocate and start over where no one knows me while slowly tapering. No help from any doctor. I knew better than to ask for any.
For years I took the XXXX pills though they doubled my weight, made me seize, vomit, lose teeth, grow so tired I couldn’t keep up with simple ADLs like bathing regularly. They made me miserable and numb. Yet I took them conscientiously. Not for myself but for my loved ones. I didn’t want to hurt them or be a burden.
Because of my wrecked body…real doctors who don’t know all my psychiatric history have diagnosed me with IBD and other autoimmune diseases…I still can’t work. All iatrogenic I firmly believe. More of a burden then ever from trying to do the right thing as a “conscientious consumer with excellent insight.”
Obeying the rules doesn’t work in a corrupt system.
I wish I’d broken an actual law instead of seeing a shrink. That would have had fewer legal repercussions. Seriously. Criminals have more rights in our society than law abiding citizens labeled as “severely mentally ill.” Once you get that label how you behave–the content of your character–is completely irrelevant. Everyone expects the worst of you. Especially if they know you’re “off your meds”
Been off mine for nearly 3 years. Doing better in many ways. No melt down despite lockdown stress. My parents acknowledge I wasn’t crazy after all. I’m an embarrassment to the psychiatric profession. And doctors in general who remain thick as thieves and will carry the banner for men like Farid Fata.
Not anti-medicine but I don’t trust doctors. Buy the used car but don’t believe a word the salesman says.
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Too much censorship can backfire. Hence the growth of the FlatEarther movement. I view it as too ridiculous to be worth censoring–even if I believed in denying them a platform. But I have more respect for people’s intelligence than Big Bro Mark.
Because of this heavy handedness more people are getting angry and distrustful of PolitiFact. Great at spinning. Though if you read the entire article PolitiFact puts out you’ll see they call things “fake news” based on technicalities. Often hearsay from an anonymous source.
More of us are leaving. Too angry to wait to be banned. Hopefully this will cause FB to become the next Yelp or Tumblr.
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Yep. Sili-Con Valley for one.
Been on FaceBook and repeatedly get censored for posting anything remotely hopeful. Got threatened with invisibility. Planning on transferring my followers to a new platform where many of them are already located.
Mild depression keeps people passive so they put up less resistance to sales ads posted on sites.
I have no problem–in theory–with Zuckerberg doubling his wealth. But it looks like he’s willing to cause a worldwide depression impoverishing nearly everyone else to achieve this end. I have a problem with that.
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I avoid psych wards but if I ever get taken i’ll be sure to leave my cell behind.
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Yep. The whole concept itself is very elastic.
On the one hand you have the trope of the helpless “mentally ill.” The poor Village Idiot who wanders the street muttering to himself and is mentally a five-year-old.
On the other you have the trope of the “psycho killer.” The EVIL madman–sometimes with fits of brilliance in finding ways to do random acts of evil. Such as Hannibal Lector or Norman Bates. The scary creeper society needs protection from.
Psychiatrists use the second trope in calls to action against mass shootings and the first when trying to sound compassionate. They flip flop between calling a “case” or human being “cognitively impaired” regardless of how coherently the “case” can defend herself/himself. And warning the public of how dangerously “unstable” this person will be if they don’t have their way with them.
This two fold approach is useful for those who can’t see through it. By calling the person evil the psychiatrist alienates them from everyone–rendering the non-labeled more agreeable to subject the former friend or loved one to dubious treatments that cause obvious suffering. And depicting the person as incompetent and dumb makes the psychiatrist look benevolent and humane. Rendering him more trustworthy so family members feel safe delivering the relative into his allegedly tender mercies.
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Yes, but without depicting all the “severely mentally ill” as dangerous they couldn’t readily turn them into cash cows to milk–uh, I mean get them the Treatment they need. 😛
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Don Karp that’s why I’m so miserable.
Sorry, I have no reason to trust any doctors. Especially bureaucrats with degrees in medicine.
I would rather take my chances with the Bubonic Plague itself than let these micro-managing control freaks ruin the world. THEY are what really scare me. Not the Covid-19. Even if it had 70% fatality rates like many of the ignorant imagine.
No, I realize Dr. Fauci never said this. All a bunch of hysterical pearl clutching from watching the News on TV. But this insane fear encourages compliance to the lockdown.
This is supposed to be for the greater good and save countless lives. These people aren’t dead yet and won’t die–in this segment of the multiverse–if we all hunker down and OBEY the Medical Experts. They’re doctors after all. They don’t make mistakes and only want to save lives.
If lots of people die it will be in spite of lockdown. Or because we didn’t follow it strictly enough they’ll say. If mortality rates drop it will be because of the lockdown.
This whole scenario is all too familiar to me. Very depressing. And it may never end.
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Let me get this straight.
The Royal College of Psychiatry admits to being corrupt and racist and DEMANDS MONEY to quit being racist?
You can’t see, but I assure you my eyes are rolling.
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I got so sick of being told how much I needed to love myself during all those years of adult preschool. AKA “day treatment” and “clubhouse.”
Made me want to burst into song, “I love me. I love me so./I took myself to a movie show./I put both arms around my waist./I got so fresh I slapped my face!”
I actually did during one incredibly dull session. 😀
Like C.S. Lewis I find the reverse is true. I must love my neighbor before I can love myself as my neighbor.
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Yes.
The entire premise of Pharma-psychiatry is that SCIENCE has proven people feel down or have weird thoughts only because of bad brain chemistry. And they have the pills to adjust it so you’ll feel normal again.
A giant hoax. And even the non medical people who spread this lie know it’s a hoax. Pete Earley admits as much on his blog–justifying this deception by saying the drugs work. Meaning they turn “loved ones” into passive, sickly zombies who won’t annoy relatives.
I was hoping this article would share more details on how ignorant or knowledgeable your friendly neighborhood shrink is. It doesn’t.
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And it’s turning us into misanthropes too.
A blogger I follow is worried about how his alleged brain disease is flaring up. Being forced to stay unemployed and at home all day has nothing to do with it. He thinks.
Of course, like me, he’s dealt with “sadness shaming.” Our shallow culture can no longer handle anyone the least bit glum or serious. So it’s either a disease we must cure immediately or a shameful sin we must repent of so we can grin ear to ear perpetually like we’re s’posed to. 😛
Now that I no longer see my depression as a disease I no longer struggle with it for days or weeks at a time. If I feel blue I ask myself, “What can I do to feel better?” It never lasts more than a day or two. Amazing how changing that mindset helped me cope with it successfully.
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They’re much better at concealing what their intentions. To be fair–most neighborhood shrinks believe they help people.
“Life saving medications. They are just like insulin for diabetes.”
But nobody gets better even if we take them faithfully. Our bodies and brains fail rapidly. And no one cares but us.
And maybe our loved ones. If “mental health” fails to alienate them. They don’t like family members offering real emotional support and love to us.
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Monism supports their profession though. If the mind weren’t the brain they couldn’t prescribe pills and show what Real Doctors they are.
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NAMI actually had a bunch of people slip in to do that? Okay. When I first read I thought it was gaslighting. Now it looks like was just an advertisement. “This is what having ‘schizophrenia’ feels like.”
I didn’t know NAMI was supposed to be a patient’s advocacy group. I belonged to it (as a mascot) for some years. It was supposed to be about helping us and reducing the discrimination or stigma NAMI created with other ad campaigns to begin with.
They liked to hear the voices of “high functioning” people like me. As long as I praised my life saving medications and the benevolent doctors who could do no wrong.
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I disagree with you Sera. The Harvard guy is not really attractive.
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Check out Vernon Coleman’s blog. https://vernoncoleman.com He is an outside the box thinker. Argues that modern meat is unsafe to consume, criticizes the lockdown, and condemns modern medicine for pushing SSRI’s on everyone they can.
He left medicine (MD) to write books a while back. Reminds me of Peter Breggin a little. Same generation. I wonder if he’d write for MIA.
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Covid-19 is being used for two things. Selling a vaccine that’s probably just a placebo. And propaganda.
They say they should have it out in a year so we should just stay home till then. Really? AIDS has been around for well over 30 years and there’s no vaccine for that virus yet. I’m sure Gates and Big Pharma will be handsomely paid after keeping the populace isolated and fearful for months on end.
It also makes great propaganda for Big Brother rising up from the depths of the sea. Every great tyrant knows the best populace is a divided one where everyone distrusts and fears their neighbor. Hysterical fear of a possible infection with a small chance of dying is a great way to turn us all against each other. A bunch of selfish, cowardly misanthropes with no social support except the evening news and “social” media is very easy to control.
I’ve already promised myself if I see an elderly person passing out from the stupid mask at WalMart I’m going to help them. Yeah, I know it means exposing myself. So?
Better to die from the virus (unlikely as that is) than live on as one of those caricatures who beats up little old ladies for coming within five feet (the old lady is way more apt to die than a 30 year old if she’s infected.) Or one of those killjoy “karens” who drives around looking for children to scream “I hope you all get Covid-19 and die!” at because they’re playing in the park. A school teacher was doing this. 😛 Or one of those people who doesn’t know their grandma died till six months after since they never made phone calls and rejoiced at the pandemic since they had an excuse to quit visiting her nursing home. Or–speaking of the medical profession–that doctor near me in Louisville who assaulted a teenage girl (choking her) for the horrible crime of enjoying a sunset in the park.
None of these behaviors are rational. If you’re so worried over infection why run toward the person for further contact as you try to punch or throttle them? These activities require touching the person. If you’re worried over their safety why scream how you hope they die?
Covid-19 offers a great excuse to act like selfish jerks. Many are taking advantage of the situation.
If this were the next Bubonic Plague (it isn’t) it still wouldn’t justify these behaviors. There are fates far worse than death. Like losing our humanity.
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Another idea for psychiatrists.
Quit lying.
Quit telling “consumers”–or using mouthpieces like NAMI to tell them–that Science has proven they have a “broken” brain proven to be caused entirely by a “chemical imbalance” and faulty genes already discovered.
Quit telling people experiencing a bad trip caused by the mind altering drugs you push that it’s all their fault. Those drugs never have that effect on anyone. Unless they’re crazy to start with or lying about taking them “exactly as prescribed.”
Quit telling family members “Drug X never does that to anyone. It’s all John’s illness causing him to sleep 12 hours a day, not cry or smile, silently pace for hours at a time, have mini seizures while his eyes roll back in his head. If he would just take his ‘meds’ exactly as prescribed he wouldn’t bother you with these symptoms. Obviously he’s not really taking them.” (Any search for drug side effects can help us catch you in this deception anyhow.)
Quit lying to the public about how your Science has the infallible ability to weed out serial killers, mass shooters and all other criminal types in our midst with laundry lists of personality traits that lump groups of random individuals together as guilty or “sick” by association. Is red your favorite color? So was Jeffrey Dahmers’!
Quit lying to the public about how you want to end “stigma.” You don’t. “Stigma” or slander is the best advertising technique to sell your product as Fuller Torrey, Tim Murphy, and countless others know.
Yes. Telling the truth is pretty essential to morality. Especially when people’s reputations, health, and lives are at stake.
Quit lying.
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I keep thinking of that movie The Minority Report.
Psychiatry is our society’s pre crime division. But unlike the movie, no one holds them accountable for their mistakes. And those they accuse get punished anyhow.
All by pretending the treatments are restorative rather than punitive in nature. And they’re doctors. Not penal enforcers of unwritten rules they can change on a whim. 0 accountability and 100% immunity.
Why not just make suicide illegal and say all unsuccessful attempts will be punished by imprisonment, pharmaceutical torture, possible brain mutilation, and public defamation? The only difference between this scenario and the way things actually are is the Pre-Crime Psych(ic) enforcers are allowed to pose as medical healers. Psychiatry’s got nothing to do with healing people.
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Doing fine despite the lockdown and Covid19 fear.
I say fear because I have had no direct encounters. My sister’s roommates caught it and recovered without hospital care. She tested negative. My rural community has no cases yet. A family friend in a city caught it and got better. As did my 89 year old great aunt.
The lockdown itself is stressful. But I’m okay.
Before stuff started opening I used Skype and Zoom to visit along with letters and phone calls. Way better than social media for human connection.
Now we go to church–with S.D. in place–and I visit my neighbors in the open air.
Since going off my psych drugs I’ve developed an emotional resiliency I never had before. Violating Expert orders was the scariest thing I’ve ever done.
But I ignored the Experts after doing a lot of homework. According to them I should be acting like Eric Harris/Ted Bundie/Norman Bates/a rabid dog. Or at least unable to talk coherently or care for myself or get along with people I meet. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
No more mood swings, better at reading social cues, normal heart rate, improved hygiene and home maintenance. All these horrible things happened after I fled the mental illness makers.
Stories like mine are an embarrassment to the APA and the AMA too. Psychiatry is cancer on western medicine. Not to mention the legal system–which now has a way to bypass due process and punish the innocent.
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Don’t forget those branded at hopelessly “severe mental” cases to help cover some doctor’s butt because he refuses to acknowledge that his precious SSRI’s can drive people crackers.
Heaven forbid he let you go off the drugs so you can function again after catching up on sleep after he kept you awake for 3 weeks in a row. Better label you a “bipolar” menace to society so everyone will shun you till you die. And Dr. Quackenbush can bill your insurance for 3-6 drugs instead of just 1. Including the very drug he KNOWS caused the problem. 😛
I imagine these un-healers cackling with glee and sipping champagne to celebrate every time they ruin some young life this way. Cha-ching! Souls for cash.
I’d say “Shame on them.” But they are as shameless as they are remorseless for all the people they’ve harmed and killed.
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By that paradigm “mental illness” would still not exist.
What you describe are nutritional deficiencies that sometimes cause bizarre thoughts.
I suffer severe malabsorption myself. Thanks to years of “help” from psychiatry.
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Lol. Yep.
I’m sure shrinks aren’t happy at how Peter Breggin pointed out what the “Violence Initiative” was really about either.
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Charles Ponzi could have argued that he never asked for marks, they were just waiting for him.
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Do you mean like a class action suit against psychiatrist/s on behalf of a bunch of people diagnosed “bipolar 2” after a bad drug reaction?
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I remember how Julie Greene emphasized that the whole point to psychiatry was eugenics. It is based upon the philosophy of social darwinism.
I admit I was slightly skeptical. Eugenics?
Not sure the mainstream shrink at your friendly neighborhood mental illness center knows. Probably clueless. Most of mine were friendly and tried to keep me from suffering too much.
But I believe there’s an inner circle at the top–the guys who invent new “diseases” and make guest appearances on national TV warning Joe Schmoe how evil and dangerous all the “untreated mentally ill” are. They know what they’re doing and show no pity.
The whole premise to psychiatry is certain groups of people are “defective criminal types.” This grew popular in the 19th century. According to eugenicists these “defectives” need to be weeded out from society and prevented from breeding more “inferior stock.” Regardless of the content of their characters and actual behaviors “blood will tell” and these Men of Science must weed out the defectives.
This demonizing of those they claim to help is necessary for psychiatrists since if others saw them as ordinary people they would call them out on the inhumanity of the cruel, pointless experiments they persist in inflicting on hapless test subjects.
This defamation campaign has proven highly effective. Stigma is a shrink’s best friend. They WANT to turn our families and friends and everyone including other doctors against us.
Most people don’t think this through. But they believe the SCIENCE. In their defense many think they’re helpful telling us to take drugs. But thinking we’re all dangerous monsters makes them avoid us. (Duh.) And my guess is doctors don’t care about the quality or quantity of our lives. They have similar attitudes about the disabled and elderly but the notion that we’re all would-be-mass-shooters rendered temporarily harmless via SCIENTIFIC MAGIC makes them treat us worse.
When I moved I managed to not get “bipolar” on most medical records. Just “depression” and all those physical problems inflicted by psychiatry. Amazing how helpful and nice doctors are now.
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Lisa is bleeding? Where? Her heart is racing so hard it hurts?
WTH??? 🙁 This crap is killing people like Lisa.
Assuming she wants this drug I still worry about her health. But my guess is she’s not taking with with informed consent. Just told she has to take this miracle pill NO MATTER WHAT.
If Lisa tells her shrink or doctor how horrible it makes her feel–assuming her body can’t adapt–they may change her to something that makes her feel less horrible (for a while.) Or just threaten her with horrible things that will happen if she ever dares to go off. It’s a coin toss.
Pernicious anemia, IBD and other autoimmune problems. Including abnormal bleeding. My heart beat was very erratic till I finally disobeyed my quack. It may have saved my life.
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“Antidepressants” have already had studies showing they lower inhibitions and empathy.
Yet prominent psychiatrists urge that still more people be put on these drugs to lower mass killings. Arguing that people murder others because of low self esteem. I dunno. How about not thinking about future consequences (low inhibitions) and not caring about others (lack of empathy)?
Astounding ignorance as to how human beings think or what motivates us. Pseudo science combined with a view of humanity less complex or nuanced than a comic book.
These mind altering drugs do not transform a bunch of Mr. Hyde’s into Dr. Jekyll’s anymore than heroin does. NAMI propaganda notwithstanding.
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I know shrinks get angry when anyone without an MD insults someone by calling them “sick” with “a lot of mental problems.”
Leave the name calling and insults to the Experts please.
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Labeling too.
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Yes. NAMI is behind the police brutality toward the “mentally ill.”
Doesn’t require much brain power to see how convincing armed enforcers that others are monsters will lead to more shootings and brutality of these people. But NAMI wants to make the world’s largest omelet and are more than happy to break countless numbers of eggs to achieve this end.
I avoid all things “mental health” now. If I know someone works for “mental health” I will cross over to the other side of the street to avoid them if I can. They think they’re kind when they lock you up and destroy you with drugs, shocks and other random brain damage.
They deny the humanity of their “compassion” objects. Zero empathy because of this denial. All our suffering is written off as fake just like we’re “fake people” in their eyes–without real thoughts or feelings. Only walking brain diseases.
Delusional and dangerous. Lacking insight into their own motivations.
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Sadly psychiatrists are already planning on setting up their own police. My guess is if you end the current police system, “mental health” will take over completely as far as those already labeled are concerned. 🙁
Defund psychiatry. Its propaganda is behind police hatred and fear of the “mentally ill.”
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This may surprise you OH, but many would not see the sarcasm. A lot of NAMI mommies actually tell themselves that.
I wonder how many killed themselves because they had been persuaded of that. It nearly drove me to suicide. 🙁
Unlike brain cancer or epilepsy, “mental illness” means you are hopelessly evil. Like hyper calvinism–only it’s just a minority of genetic throw backs or “criminal types” who are depraved. With no hope of redemption for any of them.
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It’s worth noting Bernie Madoff’s clients sought out his advice voluntarily.
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Very interesting!
“Mental illness” stigma is actually based on character traits that are ascribed to one by a “medical expert” regardless of personal conduct or moral integrity.
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Yep. And Dr. Josef Mengele was a fully certified physician with an MD from an accredited university.
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Steve I imagine a couple shrinks discussing this.
“So Bob, how long do you think you’d grieve if your wife died?”
“I dunno Bill. It took me less than a week to get over her leaving me. Too many hangovers from partying.”
Both laugh.
“I can’t imagine grieving more than a week for mine. Ten days tops.”
“I never grieve over losing anyone. Emotional attachment is a sure sign of mental illness. My dog died today. No big deal. I did what any sane person would. Put the carcass out with the weekly trash and added ‘visit the pound’ on my things to do list.”
“Let’s say fourteen days tops. I can’t imagine loving anyone so much you grieve them that long unless you’re severely mentally ill.”
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No word about the role all those “safe and effective treatments” play at wearing down the immunity, causing diabetes, heart or breathing issues. Guess that would be pill shaming. 😛
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You got that right!
I actually prefer A Beautiful Mind’s depiction of someone labeled “mentally ill” despite its flagrant inaccuracies and NAMI approved message. At least it doesn’t show Nash turning into a comic book villain from going off his neuroleptics.
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70% of those labeled “schizophrenic” used to get back on their feet or “recover” before pharma psychiatry.
Now it’s below 16% and only because they really lowered the bar for what counts as a decent life. And the life expectancy post diagnosis is roughly cut in half.
But the “mental health” industry likes it fine. More treatments to sell and more long term “consumers.”
Pretty annoying when two thirds of your buyers find they can lead better lives drug free and you need to drum up new ones. At that rate how are you going to expand your turf?
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I will. Normally insomnia is not a problem for me.
It’s a sporadic thing that comes once or twice a year and only lasts a few days.
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It’s always good for children to transform–if not reject–the names the playground bully calls them.
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Makes me wonder if this was what the whole pandemic was started for.
To drive as many crazy as possible and sell more psych drugs. And finally an overpriced vaccine.
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Frank, I’m not sure what OTC drugs are available in Britain. Over here it varies from state to state. But I’ve used adult cough syrup for one or two nights to break an insomnia cycle.
There are a number of sleeping pills here I could buy at Walmart. I try to avoid shrinks. If I see someone I know works for mental health I’ll do all I can to stay out of their way. They’re a danger to my health, my freedom, and my life itself.
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Something I see as a potential problem for prescription cannabis is psychiatry’s long track record of blaming everything it does on the consumers’ alleged brain disorder. AKA the consumer him/herself.
A lot of young people labeled “schizophrenic” for life simply got locked up during a bad trip. As a sort of ironic and excessive punishment (called treatment) they’re forced to take massive quantities of mind altering drugs to make them miserable till they die prematurely.
I only took what Dr. M gave me. A “therapeutic” dose of the SSRI Anafranil. Yet my three weeks of sleeplessness and hallucinations were all blamed on me. Dr. M swore up and down that “They never have that effect on anyone!”
Is this merely a clever attempt to create more “schizophrenia diagnoses” by encouraging use of a drug that can cause vivid hallucinations?
For those of you who like MJ, my argument is with psychiatrists prescribing it and interpreting all the temporary effects as symptoms of a life long brain disorder–which requires crippling drugs and a life in segregation to maintain.
Drugs that cause real disabilities and segregation from mainstream society are psychiatry’s gifts. 🙁
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After I got halfway through my taper off my 150 mg of Effexor, my suicidal thoughts went away.
They have never returned. 🙂
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Why Being Punished for Existing is a Human Right.”
Title fixed.
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My family is lower middle class. Not rich.
I’m too damaged to work now. Iatrogenic disease thanks to psychiatric treatment.
But I escaped because I managed to sneak off to another county and my parents let me stay for a while.
Better to have a middle class or poor family that loves you when it comes to escaping psychiatry. Evan Durst’s family used its wealth to hound him. Just like rich people would pay tidy sums to asylum keepers for locking up annoying relations in Victorian times.
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The great novelist Jane Austen had to get her brother to sign her publishing contracts for her since she was an unmarried woman. (No hubby to sign for her.)
Nowadays a woman can be placed in a similar situation. Not because of her gender but alleged “mental illness.”
It makes no difference how rationally you behave nor how reasonable your arguments. Your label will cover it all.
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Well, if they’re talking about the Fear–rather than the virus itself–it’s entirely psychological. The Fear seems to be killing large numbers of people as they commit suicide and develop stress related illnesses.
Even though it’s contagious your odds of dying from it are slim. Not arguing the lock down here but pointing out how ridiculous the Fear is. Caution is smart; hysteria is not.
This reminds me of The Bird Box. Only the monsters aren’t Out There. They’re in our screens.
Way easier to avoid.
Don’t watch TV and moderate other media. Read more literary classics and talk to real people through Skype/Zoom/or the phone. Write letters. I hear physical stationary is making a comeback now. It gives a sense of physical contact that e mails don’t.
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Me neither. Individuals can turn over new leaves, but they have to renounce wrong doing.
As OH has pointed out we already have a penal system for violent criminals. For the unhappy I think we need better social networks. Not an alternative to psychiatry, but something originally there which psychiatry has done its best to supplant.
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Bingo.
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Thanks for this piece, Maria. As you point out it’s not just our health and economy at risk, but our relationships and human networking.
All the “normals” are acting crazy now. Look at the videos going viral of screaming at teens at the beach, some doctor trying to choke a girl for not social distancing. How would choking a contagious person lower your own exposure???
Some school teacher screaming at children on a swing set, “I hope you all get sick and die.” Such compassion and dedication to saving lives. 😛
Crazy behaviors from otherwise “normal” people. Wonder how much sooner they’d have lost it in the psych system
This is not a war. A plague would be a stretcher, but more accurate. Similar hysteria occurred during the Spanish Flu Epidemic. The plagues were even worse.
And, despite higher mortality rates, there was less isolation. No internet to render “staying home” so widely accessible. During a war we can do active things and bond with fellow soldiers or our communities. Even those on the home front–like Rosie the Riveter. Instead we’re called to isolation and passivity. Way more stressful.
I feel no satisfaction at “normals” driven mad by medical bureaucrats. Only anger and frustration and sorrow. I put no faith in a doctor simply because he is a doctor after my experiences with psychiatry. A field totally approved as a legitimate specialty by the AMA. Fleeing it may have saved my life.
Some of my negative emotions might be considered “PTSD”? I don’t know. This pandemic reminds me so much of “mental health” with its gas lighting.
Who knows though? Maybe we outcasts who have survived it can help people through this traumatic event.
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Drugs that keep you from breathing normally can make you more likely to die if you catch a disease that makes it hard to breathe. Wow.
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I was talking to a friend last night about this movement. Her cousin/friend hears voices. The drugs bring some relief but wear off. She frequently quits them and those around her blame the return of her voices on “non compliance.” As someone who fully “complied” religiously from 1992-2016 I know why she goes off the drugs (they make life miserable) and they really don’t stop the voices long term for most.
I went to Day Treatment. A lot of the “rebel” types would stop drugs cold turkey–frequently drink or use street drugs and act weird so they’d get locked up again. But there were many others who swore by their “meds” yet found no long term relief. “Despite” faithful obedience of swallowing the vile stuff they’d hear the same voices after a month or two. The smart ones learned not to complain. Doctors didn’t like it and would just lock you up again and put you on more drugs that made you feel worse.
Woe to you if the Sacred Neuroleptics did not quell the voices or amplified them. Telling this to anyone in “mental health” was blasphemy. It was either dismissed as an unfortunate fluke–your fault for being “resistant” or you were accused of lying to get out of taking these life saving pills that “never had that affect on anyone.” They also claimed Haldol doesn’t cause seizures and Risperdol doesn’t cause weight gain. Grrr.
Posting this article on FB where my friend and her cousin can read it. Thanks for writing it Kermit!
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😀
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Boans, it’s horrible how alone you are. 🙁
Are you able to Skype, friend?
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Psychiatric “diagnoses” are glorified name calling. As scientific as insults by the playground bully.
A lot of shrinks get upset at people joking about feeling “bipolar” or complaining about a “schizophrenic” coworker. They complain that only They–the leading medical experts have the right to call people these things.
Reminds me of some skit I saw on TV where a bully on the schoolyard yells at his toady that only he (the bully) has the right to call the other kids “stupid idiots.”
You COULD argue that names like “smelly poo poo head,” “dummy,” “slowpoke” and “ugly” are scientifically valid. Some people are dumber, slower, and uglier than others….Not sure how such names will help. But Bullies don’t want to help. Only show their supremacy and lord it over the other children.
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Sadly psychiatry enables abusers. Usually by accident. But since they make snap judgments about moral character (diagnosing) they focus almost entirely on externals. If the abuser dresses well and is a smooth talker they’ll see him or her as the “normal” one as opposed to the nervous, unkempt victim.
They’ll label the victim as dangerous and give the well dressed abuser full power of attorney. Survival of the fittest is the law of psychiatry.
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Why wasn’t Bailey locked up, drugged and shocked? Sounds like that psychiatrist had a severe mental illness.
Next time a psychiatrist complains about high suicide rates in their profession offer condolences before reminding them that according to their profession only the severely mentally ill ever think of suicide.
Apparently they’re too afraid of stigma. I for one, don’t want them killing themselves but getting the treatment they DESERVE.
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Psychiatry never calls those they claim to fix patients either.
This is worth noting. Even they realize they aren’t doctors who heal people.
They call us “consumers” or useless mouths for them to fill with whatever. Mouths and bellies with no human being attached.
So tell me, Sam, are you familiar with the old anti psychiatry movement?
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Don’t forget the former small business owners. 🙁
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Precisely.
The DSM gives psychiatrists the right to treat harmless eccentrics and sufferers of Lyme Disease the same as pedophiles.
They spread the word on TV, newspapers, social media about how “The reason this man kidnapped and murdered all those children is because he was a bipolar.” Doesn’t take a genius to put two and two together and decide all “bipolars” are serial killers.
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The Democrats are as pro psychiatry as the Republicans. No one on either side stood against the Murphy Bill.
How about judging people on the content of their character? Not the pseudo scientific insults of some shrink?
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Interesting how he brings up psychiatry’s power to punish people for being sex offenders without taking any actual crimes into account. Who gives a rip about what you actually DID? Lol.
The shrink says you’re a monster. The public will believe him.
Why I got kicked out of college.
Punish innocent people for crimes they might commit in the future. Great way to rehabilitate ’em.
The “sex offender” analogy sickens me. “Mental health” frequently lumps harmless eccentrics and the suffering in with perverts and murderers. I don’t think this is an accident either.
Scaring the public and whipping them into a frenzy against the alleged monsters in their midst is great PR for psychiatry as Torrey and Murphy know.
Label a law abiding citizen as “bipolar” or “schizophrenic” and you can treat them worse than a convicted murderer. My label ruined my life. No apologies coming from any of Kriegman’s colleagues.
I loathe psychiatry.
He doesn’t address any of us. Speaks over us to his esteemed colleagues and peers. Appears to think MIA is a respected site for scholarly articles endorsed by the APA.
Kriegman is in for a rude awakening.
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Subhumans like us.
Of course.
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Subhumans like us.
Expert mentalists frequently write articles about us without us.
As Oldhead once posted:
Who the XXXX is we?
Who the XXXX are they?
I laughed so hard I almost choked on my coffee.
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I refuse to visit any counselor tied to “mental health.” I don’t need being repeatedly told how sick and crazy I am, how deluded I am for having dreams like “normal” people and why I should only date people as “defective” as myself. Since normal, healthy humans wouldn’t understand me.
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You can’t contradict the Shrink because he calls you crazy. What would a crazy person know about anything?
Circular reasoning.
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A woman who drowns her baby used to be called a murderer. Novelists write novels. Painters paint pictures. Murderers commit murders. But people like a neat explanation to make themselves feel secure and build their egos for being “normal.”
Saying, “A woman only drowns her baby because she is ‘bipolar,'” is a way of imposing guilt by association on a lot of law abiding citizens. This made me suicidal after my “diagnosis” since I believed my shrink that I was a monster. 🙁
A bunch of women at church took up a petition to stop me from teaching Sunday school once they found out about my label. I obeyed my stupid shrink and got treated like a pariah.
Relocated where no one knows my dirty secret. I’m physically damaged, so i tell people that’s my disability and why I can’t work and never had a family. Amazing how nice they are to me.
Tapering off the drugs helped me pick up on social cues and nuances. This Covid 19 scare is making “normal” people act nutty and ruining everyone’s social skills. The great equalizer.
I obey the law. But Covid 19 doesn’t scare me the way it does so many. I faced the idea that I was hopelessly insane from a genetic brain defect at twenty and proved the experts wrong.
This illness doesn’t scare me as much as the threat of hopeless insanity shrinks held over my head to keep me in line. Even dying from it scares me less. At 60% infection rates and maybe 5% mortality with my autoimmune issues, I’m more apt to catch it than die from it.
It is what it is. 🙂
All those “normals” sure are acting “crazy and paranoid.” Violent too. Proof that sanity is all relative and no one is immune to craziness.
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It still humors the hysterical soccer moms. You don’t want them ticked off. 🙂
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Yes Oldhead. Julie repeatedly told me that too.
i started 6 mg of Stelazine in spring 1992. My life didn’t fall apart till fall of 1993 when they labeled me “Schizoaffective” which my dorm mom kicked me out over. Said I was dangerous and frightened the other girls.
I’m not a murderer and it’s wrong for psychiatry to treat me as a violent criminal. They are punitive, not restorative in nature.
In claiming to be merciful rather than just to violent criminals–as an excuse to treat the law abiding like dangerous criminals–the mental illness system acts in ways contrary to both. Psychiatry is neither justice nor mercy.
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It can help protect others if you keep sneezing and coughing without covering your mouth.
For me it’s more an act of humoring hysterical soccer moms than virtue signaling.
OH NO! You might get infected, get sick and die! I miss the days before the pandemic when nobody ever died. Lol
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The man would be offended at what I said about him because it’s true and would hurt his inflated image of the compassionate benefactor he imagines himself to be. As devoid of self awareness as he is compassion.
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All of mine were voluntary. The drugs kept me from thinking straight but they told me I needed them and my loopiness was all my (illness’s) fault. I kept wanting to kill myself because I believed I was an evil monster and dangerous to others so suicide was the ultimate act of self sacrifice and love. The only noble thing a monster like me could do.
Now that I decided shrinks are full of it I’m no longer suicidal. Just angry.
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Yep. He became an activist after his annoying sister-in-law Blanche–whoops Rose–moved in with them. Finally he got her taken away so she’d get the help she needed.
Just like a certain play by Tennessee Williams. “Stellaaaazine!”
I hope I didn’t give anyone insomnia for a week with a mental image of Deej with his shirt off. Lol.
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I daresay Jaffe would not appreciate being locked up for days or weeks then released on a bunch of drugs that made him ill and a badge of shame that made everyone treat him like Jean Valjean at the opening of Les Miserables.
His argument would probably be: “Of course not. But I’m not mentally ill. Pain hurts me.”
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In that case the therapist should help the abuse victim form an escape plan. Including a list of resources she/he could use.
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“Don’t dwell on the past.” My damaged CNS, brain, and other organs won’t let me move on as though nothing happened. 🙁
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Which makes you wonder why they bother consulting us at all. Even for ten minutes.
Probably for the same reason they buy malpractice insurance. Keeping up appearances.
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I’d have had a better experience if I’d sought help at a meth lab.
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Thanks Dr. Eric.
Love your new spin on the old (inaccurate) trope of “What if we treated physical illnesses like ‘mental illnesses’?”
Assume Dr. Diatram’s patient manages to recover. She’ll take all the credit and force him to spend the rest of his life surrounded by ice packs, giving himself daily morphine injections, and popping beta blockers. 🙂
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Well said OH.
Judging from the article Dr. Tasch believes the narrative though she means well and might let some “asymptomatic” people leave the system at their discretion.
I knew better than to argue with my shrink. AKA psychiatric blasphemy.
The psychiatrists get paid for keeping us sick with drugs, emotionally abusive brainwashing, and shocks.
My parents were shocked at how much crazier I acted the longer I stayed in the MI System. Now I’m emotionally stable but in chronic pain much of the time. IBD, fingerprint-map-dot-eye dystrophy, and probably ME.
At least I can clean my apartment now. Still forced to live on SSI.
Shrinks told me if I was “good” I could enjoy a career and even maybe get married. Bunch of rubbish. Doubtful any of them believed their malarkey. 🙁
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Sitting alone at home all day can lead to messed up thinking. Especially visiting certain sites online. Speaking from personal experience.
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I loved Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH as a child.
(At 8 I disliked Don Bluth’s film because of the liberties it took. The book was thought provoking and I read about finely nuanced issues regarding self reliance, morality, and responsibilities that come with becoming sapient. Not Disney lite on speed.)
Unbeknownst to me there really was a place called NIMH. But instead of making rodents as intelligent as humans they’ve dedicated themselves to making humans as dumb as rodents. The fact that we can still read and write is proof that their methods need perfecting.
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And I was repeatedly warned of cognitive decline and “deterioration” if I failed to do exactly as my psychiatrist ordered. Counselors and case workers at the local Mental Illness Centers I dutifully attended. Support groups like NAMI. All the literature and TV shows…mainstream literature of course. All warned how dumb/crazy/helpless/dangerous I’d become unless I took my “meds” religiously.
I pointed out how since starting my “therapeutic” doses of Haldol/Risperdol/Zoloft/Xanax/Celexa/Pick-your-neuropoison I could no longer take full time course loads at college or work full-time at my summer job or get by with less than 11 hours sleep. They would tell me it was all my “illness” which began at exactly the same time I sought “help” for social anxiety and had a horrible reaction to the SSRI. All entirely by coincidence. 😛 SMH
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TBI and Lyme’s Disease are real brain problems. But not mental.
I am sure I have real brain problems now along with several other medical problems. All iatrogenic.
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It is 100% hereditary too. The reason it’s not only just but compassionate for society–led by the shrinks–to treat the “mentally ill” like pieces of garbage is we’re subhuman genetic throwbacks/monsters. Not really human like the “normals” and the shrinks.
Must have mutated their DNA. Kind of like green, radioactive sludge in those old Saturday morning cartoons. Real SCIENCE folks!
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I have vented on this site about sadness shaming. Hence the insistence that DEPRESSION IS A DISEASE. They wouldn’t have to justify it by calling it purely biological (and beyond our control) if we weren’t pressured to grin ear to ear all the time like the Cheshire cat. Why not let me feel glum? Really. Feeling blue is not a crime, but to hear some people it’s worse than being a bank robber.
And regarding loneliness I am sick and tired of well meaning articles lecturing on how the only reason you get lonely is you’re not full enough of self worth. That’s just dumb. Loneliness is not synonymous with low self esteem (though even that’s not a crime) and scheduling a make out session with your mirror isn’t the answer. 😛
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Something more immediate also related to this Covid19 is the relentless pushing labels and drugs on people who feel lonely and desperate from physical isolation and job loss.
Psychiatry continues to do its dirty work and remains fully operational when everything else but Covid19 services are shut down.
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Nagging someone to come off her or his drugs without a support system or decent tapering advice is a bad thing.
Even though I wish everyone could live drug free I know many won’t since going off is painful and demanding. And you need to do your homework and find a place you can hide if you’re a busy long term psych consomme.
(Psychiatric Consomme. My new word instead of their word “Consumer.” Never did like it even when I was one.)
A friend of mine is in AOT because she didn’t call me for information and just went cold turkey during lockdown before freaking out in her apartment and going to the psych ward. Again.
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Some of us are disabled. Either with legitimate physical problems doctors brushed off as “severe mental illness.” Or crippled by the “treatments.” Drugs, shocks, and psycho-surgeries….
But I agree with you about “mad” not being a real thing. David Oaks kind of goes into that.
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Well when you consider how so many shrinks aspire to become AI, it seems you could easily replace them with software apps and do just as well.
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So sorry about Abraham’s death, Mr. McNeill. Your son’s fears were rational and justified. He didn’t want to be slowly tortured to death. That’s what psychiatry was doing to him.
I consider myself disabled. But not from any “mental illness.” I no longer exhibit any of the required traits after 30 months off my drugs. My disabilities are multiple autoimmune disorders and poor concentration/executive function. I blame these on the “cure” for the unprovable brain disease men cooked up and voted into existence to prove how they were Real Doctors. I didn’t know what pain was until they “helped” me.
If I were going to be harmed again like your son I would want to do what he did too. Psychiatric treatments are a fate worse than death. They ruin your health, your ability to earn a living and all hope of having a family. They cut your years in half and destroy your bodily organs.
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Vaccinations against viruses are very ineffective according to doctors themselves.
I read that if they come out with a vaccine for Covid19 it will only be 40-50% effective. I guess that’s better than nothing. But it’s not a magical panacea to save us all.
Yet, what do you want to bet that if they come out with one the medical establishment will be lauded and the nanny state will finally let us leave our own homes?
Covid19 is finally showing non psychiatrized people what tyrants doctors can be. All “for your own good” of course.
I’m hoping we can use public distrust to turn sympathies against the Granddaddy of Control Freak Medical Science. Psychiatry. By Medical Science I mean manipulating brains to render you “docile and child-like.” As opposed to independent and functioning.
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I struggle to trust any doctors. Not anti medicine. But anti liars.
The fact that the entire AMA continues to enable and even applaud the damages psychiatry forces upon it’s guinea pigs makes me angry at the entire medical community.
They know the drugs cause excessive weight gain, kidney failure, severe GI problems, heart arhythmia, diabetes and extensive damage to the brain and CNS yet they support business as usual and often push these drugs on their own patients for kickbacks or just to avoid looking into legitimate medical complaints.
Phooey on doctors. Despite their smarts and education they lie all the time. Worse than used car salesmen. I don’t trust any of them further than I can throw a piano.
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Shrinks express sorrow at the “stigma” their test subjects experience in being denied housing, jobs they could perform despite being drugged up and having family and friends reject them.
Yet they refuse to accept any responsibility for the situation and love to go on national TV to tell the world how dangerous/stupid/evil all their “patients” are. As Paula Capplan points out if I tell someone you have tuberculosis and they avoid you does it make sense for me to express outrage over how they treat you?
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John, what precautions did South Korea and the UK take regarding nursing homes, other institutions and among the homeless populations?
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I’ve noticed nobody proposed taking any action to lower the numbers in nursing homes during the epidemic or find housing for the homeless. Both sides of the political aisle are happy to let the status quo continue in those areas.
Aside from “nice guys” who were proposing locking up all the homeless in warehouse style asylums where the virus could still run rampant. Pure benevolence and altruism. Of course.
Isn’t it swell to have a bunch of bureaucrats/doctors running everything now?
My great-aunt has the virus. Got it at her nursing home. No efforts were taken to separate the infected from the rest.
“Windmill or no windmill, he said, life would go on as it had always gone on. That is–badly.” George Orwell. Animal Farm.
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FWIW, more people than ever will be aware of the dangers of letting medical professionals grow too big for their lab coats and not holding them accountable.
It looks like the Covid-19 may be easier to contain than many feared. But the Experts are very reluctant to admit they made a mistake.
Epidemiologists are intelligent and know their stuff. But this virus was “novel” meaning something no one was familiar with. Baffling even to the experts. Hey, I’m fine with that. They know more than I do after all.
But rather than admitting. “Okay. We may need less draconian measures than we at first assumed. Yay! Let’s loosen up a little but wear your masks and wash your hands a lot and only visit outdoors for now. Here are the symptoms to look for if someone is contagious,” many insist on giving doom and gloom prophecies.
Hmm. Medical experts who would rather ruin people’s lives than admit they made honest mistakes or don’t know everything or give up unquestioned powers bestowed on them….This narrative rings a bell with me. And I bet many other survivors feel the same.
Glad I live in Indiana. Things are looking up. And I plan on lying lower than the government demands–this month–since the last batch of Medical Experts I trusted implicitly “helped” by destroying my autoimmune system.
My main source of stress has been “PTSD.” Fear of meddling (maybe less than honest) doctors taking over the world and destroying everything.
A lot of doctors seem to think now that human beings don’t need sunlight, fresh air, human companionship, or food to live. And can do just fine for another two years without them. Just like the shrinks assumed we didn’t need anything but our “meds” to lead a great life. Career, family, friendship, love, purpose in living, the amygdala, pancreas, kidneys, heart, frontal lobes, CNS, GI tract…all non-essentials for the “severely mentally ill.” Keep taking your “meds” no matter what!
(Food is hyperbole at this point. But if we keep total lockdown for 18-24 months like some experts recommend we can expect more and more empty shelves at the grocery stores and food banks when we’re allowed to go there.)
More people will realize how horrible SSRI drugs are and how they’re used to blame people who suffer from legitimate stressors as the opportunistic shrinks seize this opportunity to push their poisons. Dare we hope people will finally realize sorrow and loneliness are not brain diseases?
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Anasognosia is psychospeak for heresy.
Not to be confused with actual brain injury. Unless you mean the injuries inflicted by psychiatrists themselves.
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Watch them. 🙂
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I agree. A better term might be emotional problems from poor nutrition.
I suffer from this thanks to years of psychiatric drugs messing up my insides. Now I require a B12 shot every month and an iron infusion every winter. Officially diagnosed with pernicious anemia and inflammatory bowel disease.
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Yep. It’s not about helping people like you lead a happy, productive life.
It’s about keeping you forever as a life long consumer. We’re just so many geese laying golden eggs for them. All about Them.
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A public apology would be the best legacy Frances could leave at this point.
And maybe telling the public that those his profession branded “SMI” are not a bunch of would be psycho murderers waiting to go stabby stabby in the shower or licking their lips at the thought of cannibalism.
That was Julie Greene’s biggest offense against psychiatry. Branding all they claim to help subhuman monsters. Their drugs work well at making us look and act grotesque too. (I wonder if any psychiatrists realize this?)
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Your videos are very informative. I highly recommend them.
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So do you think the rest of us should be forcibly locked up and drugged? That’s what Allen Frances and all the members of the APA do and they use the DSM as an excuse.
If others want to use their labels and take psych drugs that’s one thing. But it’s forcing these on law abiding citizens against our will that we have a problem with.
The drugs made me hear voices and act weird. My label almost drove me to suicide. It’s very easy for William to get what he wants. Not so with the rest of us.
And my heart almost gave out. I might be dead if I hadn’t escaped. No suicide attempts despite the Covid19 stress either. My parents and siblings are amazed and pleased at my improvement.
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As Whitaker explained above this article was not to validate psychiatry but to prove how it is political rather than medicinal. It also shows how large quantities of money are recycled through Big Pharma/APA/Washington.
But Anomie makes a great point about the APA calling the kettle black. And why do we need Lee and her colleagues to make decisions about how to vote?
They were slowly killing me for years with their “treatments” and my immune system that they damaged renders me more apt to die from Covid 19 even though I’m under fifty. My heart beats have finally stabilized thanks to defying Standard Treatment.
How dare these pearl clutching hypocrites use people like us–already damaged by THEIR profession–for virtue signalling to further their own careers?
It also shows how stupid our society is. It’s no longer enough to look at a person’s behavior and say, “He’s an abuser because he beats his wife and kids. She’s an arrogant, self-centered woman because she lies all the time to gain attention. He is a cruel sadist because he tortures small animals.”
Nope. That’s not good enough. Now we have to label the abuser as having “bipolar with intermittent explosive disorder” the liar as “narcissistic” and the guy who tortures animals is a “sociopath.”
Dr. Obvious to the rescue. Sad how some kind hearted abuse victims will stay with the abuser because the shrink says he’s sick instead of calling him out on his bad behaviors.
I remember urging this woman to leave her abusive husband. “But the poor dear has bipolar. I can’t leave him.” Another woman and I both urged her to leave since this did not give him the right to harm her. (Ironically we both were labelled “bipolar” yet shrinks say we’re all alike.)
Why judge people on the content of their characters? We have shrinks to brand them with pseudo scientific “diagnoses” instead.
And Heaven help you if you ever have a bad reaction to one of their drugs or run afoul of a psychiatrist. They’ll turn your nearest and dearest against you so you wind up leading the life of Richard Kimball.
By calling guilty people “sick” shrinks gain the right to punish the innocent for crimes they never have or will commit–by calling them “sick” too.
And only THEY have the power to do so. With no objective standards for anyone to hold them to.
I wish they would “diagnose” the most powerful man in the free world. Know why? It would show everyone how much undisputed power the APA has and how potentially dangerous they really are.
As well as the slush fund from the White House I wonder how much this fear of people wising up played a role in Lieberman’s behavior. Last time I checked he was not a Republican.
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Well said.
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Well said RW.
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Why do we need Lee or any “doctors” to tell us this stuff? That’s the big question.
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Shrinks are certainly not letting the Covid 19 emergency go to waste.
And when they act concerned about the possible lives lost I call BS on their fake compassion. Thanks to their “safe and effective treatments” I have an autoimmune disease and am as likely to die from Covid 19 as my Boomer parents.
And psych drugs make you more likely to die from it.
So sick of the pearl clutching virtue signallers. 0 regard for the lives of people like us. Phony as a bundle of three dollar bills.
A nation of lonely, depressed, alienated people is a psychiatrist’s ultimate fantasy. My guess is the APA is tickled pink at all the human misery now. Ghoulish and typical as we know too well.
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Yes but these “untreated mental illnesses” do cause suffering which psychiatry can alleviate.
Psychiatry alleviates the suffering of the families who are embarrassed by the person’s odd behaviors and don’t want to look like bad guys by simply not inviting him to parties. So getting Johnny shot up with 15 mg of Haldol a day will make him quiet and inactive. No more suffering.
Psychiatry also alleviates suffering of the mainstream public by use of the placebo effect. Every time a mass shooting occurs some prominent shrink tells the public that of course only the “mentally ill” murder people like that and give him even more unquestioned authority and he will stop violent crimes forever by giving all the “mentally ill” people the “treatment” they so richly deserve for the crimes of a few they may have nothing in common with. Other than a shrink’s badge of shame.
Psychiatry alleviates the suffering of psychiatrists themselves. It stunk being the “Cinderella” of medicines. Now, thanks to drugs, shocks, and other forms of brain mutilation in the works they can show what honest-to-gosh-real-doctors they are.
When they praise psychiatry as highly effective this is what they really mean.
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Thanks for sharing this Leah.
I’m going to post a link to this article on Facebook.
I suggest cloth masks. You can make them yourself with a YouTube video. Or just wrap a bandanna or scarf around your nose and mouth. That way we can reuse them and save the disposable kinds for medical facilities.
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I’ve been using this time to instill distrust of the medical profession in the hearts of people using social media. Nothing blatant or out there. Just subtle little seeds of doubt and skepticism. A lot of people are open to the idea that doctors don’t have our best interests at heart right now.
My years as a psychiatric guinea pig while other doctors watched on smiling in approval, seeing the damage psychiatrists did to me have made me distrust and despise the entire American medical system. Not anti medicine. Anti doctors.
Just because someone is a doctor does not make them honest. All it means is if they decide to harm you they have superior training and smarts to do it without getting caught. And the other doctors cover for the crooked ones so they’re guilty in their own fashion. And of course the shrinks.
What kind of people do this? These doctors must know lithium destroys kidneys, neuroleptics ruin your brain and CNS, and SSRI drugs make your weight double and mess up your heart and gut. But they remain silent. Heaven forbid they save lives at the cost of “meds compliance.” 😛
Dr. Fauci has been caught changing his story. It was a minor lie about face masks not being helpful. To save masks for doctors he explained later.
But this has hurt public trust. Suddenly people are open to the idea that doctors tell lies and have their own agenda rather than the best interest of the public at heart.
I’m teaching some online friends the truth about psychiatrists right now. Many are open to this idea.
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As Peter Breggin points out the reason they treat people that way with inpunity is because they claim to be “healing” them. Even if people could be persuaded it wasn’t “just your illness talking” they would see such bad experiences as a necessary evil in “getting them the treatments they deserve.”
The very word DESERVE speaks volumes. You can say a poor person deserves help. You can also say a horrible person deserves to suffer. We need to ask people making this argument what context of this word they are using.
Help the mainstream gain some insight into their own hearts.
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I’m working on something. I’d rather not discuss it here for reasons.
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Robert Nikkel, if you’re using your infiltration to save lives like Schindler did, God bless you.
I wish I knew more psychiatrists willing to criticize the damage their profession is doing. Aside from the writers here I don’t know any (personally) willing to question the way things are.
All mental centers I have gone to insist the only way to not kill yourself or those around you is take your “meds” without fail NO MATTER WHAT. Till you die prematurely despite the horrible way you feel. What I personally have seen and experienced after 26 years in the mental system.
They made me live in terror of my own mind for the whole time. Their message is what I hear preached on television, social media outlets and just about everywhere to this day.
But my view and experience are limited. I don’t know every doctor or psychiatrist in the world. I’m glad to know such men and women exist and wish they were more vocal.
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I’m sharing it with online friends. Off of social media.
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To all potential accusations of being “anti medicine” or “anti science” I say, “No. I’m pro accountability.”
It’s not science or medicine we fight against but corruption, lies, and contempt for human rights found in the practitioners.
History contains many famous serial killers who practiced medicine with a license.
If I wanted to have a daycare investigated because it looked like it was run by predators would that make me anti-childcare? Give me a break.
Doctors lie too. You can be a “good” doctor in that you’re smart and knowledgeable with a state license. and still be a lousy human being.
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Ironic way of “curing” homosexuality. Kind of like “curing” “mental illness” by destroying the brain and CNS.
Oh, wait….
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I think I was unusually sensitive to SSRI drugs. Had an extreme reaction to Anafranil. High as a kite and sleepless for three weeks. The whole time I took it.
My “high” from Zoloft was milder and zapped me out of my depression. The depression was caused by getting kicked out of college, rejected by friends, having all my hopes and dreams dashed at age 20 and annoying my family by my drug addled behavior.
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Good point OH.
Instead of “depressed” I say gloomy now.
Instead of “paranoid” extremely suspicious.
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Their flocks are “defective.” Not sinful. Sin does not sound scientific. You can’t attone for bad DNA.
Not sure I’d call psychiatrists priests. More like tiny deities of their secular cult. (Yes. Some secular groups count as cults. I heard speculation that MLM can count.)
Because it exists in your core being you cannot repent and reform. You are the cancer to be eliminated or frozen so it won’t spread.
There can be no propitiation or sufficient penance when your existence itself is a sin.
I believe that’s why I couldn’t kick my suicidal urges after my diagnosis as “SMI.” Rejecting it gave me a new lease on life.
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I feel for psychiatrists with consciences. I feel for their “patients” more though. Psychiatrists can always go rogue or choose a new specialty or become technical writers. They choose to stay in the field. No one court orders them to practice against their will.
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Robert Nikkel if you want to help people you could see yourself as a secret infiltrator into the System. Then dedicate yourself to using your influence by kissing up and bribing the right people to save human beings who will otherwise be killed.
Remember Oskar Schindler from Schindler’s List? 😉
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We could easily replace all shrinks and mental illness centers with kiosks where vending machines print out a diagnostic label and others dispense the appropriate drugs. But then who would malign us on national TV and write defamatory articles to the Boston Globe?
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Well said I-e-cox!
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Bringing back old Victorian “lunatic” asylums seems to be the ultimate wet dream for psychiatrists I noticed. My guess is they’ll be able to collect more revenue for the millions they hope to cram in there after gas lighting them with SSRIs to make them hallucinate so they can label them “bipolar.”
I believe there is a Batman villain who runs an asylum where he puts his victims after driving them hopelessly insane with toxic nerve gas. Psychiatry is the only medical field that so closely resembles a comic book.
Dr Arkham: But Batman, they were already severely mentally ill. My toxic nerve gas just unmasked the symptoms
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You mean the people who actually want the “mentally ill” to lead decent.lives and not die prematurely? I agree Nancy.
Take the message to those who want fewer people forced into disability and in asylums. Not swelling the ranks of the “SMI” so at least a third of the population is on a cocktail of poly pharma. Like the ancient Roman slave population. Or bringing back the Victorian asylums.
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That still doesn’t excuse condemning trusting patients to a slow horrible death. And they make out like bandits.
Like my friend’s psychiatrist who partied on a Caribbean cruise after basically sentencing her to death at age 29. Dr. C seemed perfectly happy with zero regrets when she came back and found Karen dead. Plenty new cash cows where she came from.
I realized then they don’t care if we die. Literally. As long as we die “with our rights off” they’re chill with us dropping like flies.
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According to psychiatric records there used to be a 70% recovery rate for “schizophrenics” too. And they didn’t die twenty to thirty years prematurely either.
Yet psychiatric professionals keep telling us how much better things are now. I guess they must mean the income and prestige that they experience. All that really matters of course. 😛
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Just read an article in a journal of neuro-science how they think they found a bio marker for depression. Is this a real neurological condition they plan on actually fixing?
Heck no! Just an excuse to dole out more of the same poison that damages neuron receptors. Only now they’re hopeful for an excuse to force happy people to take the same old crap they’ve been handing out with for 30 years.
“We don’t know how SSRIs work. We just know that they always do. Because the consumers tell us so. If they don’t say the meds are working we keep them locked up till they do.”
How can anyone be that dumb? “Depression is the leading cause of disability.” Yet in order to get that disability check approved you need proof that you’re taking standard “treatments.” Hence SSRI drugs do not prevent disability from depression.
How can respected neuro scientists mix up cause and effect so thoroughly?
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At least he acknowledges it to be a metaphor. Unlike mainstream psychiatry.
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Since organizations/institutions are defined entirely by what they do, one cannot separate the who they are from what they do as one can individuals.
So I can forgive the psychiatrist who ruined my life–if he wants my forgiveness. But in order to forgive him I must acknowledge that he hurt me. I was wronged.
No debt means forgiveness is impossible.
The institution of psychiatry is all about punishing the weak while pretending to be merciful. It has dedicated itself to lies and punishment of the unfortunate. (Occasionally letting criminals off easily or pretending to. Part of their illusion.)
Deceit and senseless cruelty are evil. While I agree psychiatrists are human beings and some are kind and don’t abuse their powers as much as they could…most are not monsters…but they belong to the APA which demands deceit and cruelty in order to belong.
Some self deceive (I’m not hurting them. The drugs are good for them since they’d only wind up in asylums anyhow. They don’t have feelings like normal humans do. They’re all defectives, so it’s okay to inflict brain damage on them.) The prominent ones talk out of both sides of their mouths and keep changing the narrative through television interviews and books published.
The rest go rogue–like the psychiatrists blogging for MIA–or find another line of work. Or commit suicide because they can’t live with the guilt.
Angry as I am, I would rather a psychiatrist come clean and accept the forgiveness of anyone willing to give it rather than destroying himself. Suicide is a tragedy for anyone.
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They keep talking about “non organic causes” too. Not just real doctors but shrinks.
A shrink will seldom admit to a patient suffering something medically proven like Lyme’s Disease or Crohns. But they do acknowledge these diseases exist and let other doctors treat them. In turn the doctors refer the “non organic causes” to them.
Hmm. “Non organic” causes. And yet they kept arguiing at NAMI how “mental illness is a real brain disease” and “an illness like any other” and “your meds are just like insulin for diabetes” and “science has proven that ‘mental illness’ is caused by a chemical imbalance in your brain.”
All those arguments sound like organic causes are to blame. Is the human brain not a real organ?
Or psychiatry just has a bunch of drugs and shocks to sell and since these remedies only operate organically they claim the brain is to blame even as they call the disorders they treat “brain illnesses.”
Needless to say this is a secret embarrassment to the psychiatric community.
Google “Why We Still Use ‘Organic Causes’ + psychiatry online” for an insider look at what psychiatry doesn’t broadcast to the public. They’re pretty mad at real doctors for making a distinction in the ICD-10, feigning concern about how this will contribute to “stigma.”
The only “stigma” shrinks worry about is the stigma against themselves as the poor little Cinderella they see themselves to be. They are the real victims and nobody gives them the respect they feel they are due.
Their “consumers” are so beneath consideration (subhuman monsters as they believe them to be) that they don’t even consider, let alone care, that discrimination ruins their lives.
No concern about those they harm. It’s all about them. And if they hurt their hands beating someone else they burst into tears about their own injury.
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Yep. Seeing a psychiatrist is a sure way to get screwed.
Pardon my naughtiness.
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If a friend of mine were being battered by her husband and he was threatening to kill her would it be reasonable for her to sit down and speak in an articulate and reasonable manner about how it hurt when he bloodied her nose and blacked her eyes?
Even if he promised to change she should look for a shelter. What if he argued that battery was actually good for her and an act of compassion on his part because women can’t function properly without a little external “help”? No apologies or admission of harm.
Psychiatry would be like the latter. No apologies. No admission of wrongdoing. Just blaming the victim. If the drugs harm them it’s their fault for “resisting” treatments with their bad physiology. If destruction of your brain with ECT doesn’t make you happy, it’s your fault for having Borderline Personality Disorder.
Your kneecaps shattered when I hit them with a baseball bat? Well if you weren’t so frail like a china doll that wouldn’t have happened.
You almost bled to death from the knife wound? Well, you shoulda thought of that before you had flesh so soft and stab worthy.
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Drug dealers call a spade a spade. They don’t pretend to be doctors or say their meth is just like insulin for diabetes.
So I respect them more than psychiatrists.
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Would you mind posting a link to your art website Someone Else?
I used to paint before psychiatry. I used to sew clothes I designed for myself and be very creative.
Now I’m writing more and painting again.
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The truth is it’s only recently that mortality rates for the “SMI” have been higher. Since all those safe and effective treatments came out. (SAFE for doctors to prescribe and EFFECTIVE at making them and their Pharma cronies very rich.) And any hope of recovery has gone out the window too.
I refer you to Mad in America and Anatomy of an Epidemic to look at the elephant in the living room.
Psychiatrists, medical professionals, mentalists, and many others don’t care if they kill us. They don’t care if we seize, lose brain function, can no longer live independently or walk, experience nerve damage and (mercifully) die at 52. All in a day’s work for them.
I realized how shrinks were okay with our dying when I lost a good friend at age 29. Her shrink gave her a drug that gave her grand mal seizures and threatened her not to go off it. My friend died that weekend while that shrink went off to party on a Caribbean cruise.
None of the NAMI mommies (we both volunteered there) gave a damn that she died either. That’s when I realized NAMI isn’t about helping people. It’s about selling drugs. The only non-professionals they actually help are parents and spouses who despise their “loved ones” so much they want them to lose all cognitive function, the ability to live independently, and die early.
Another friend left NAMI after she saw how chill they were with her “schizophrenic” sister being drugged on a poly-pharma regimen till all her organs failed at 49. If an eccentric adult relative embarrasses them so much they can always cut them off.
But…no…it’s all about control. And the praise they get about how “kind” they are to their burdensome “SMI” accessories.
Forcing us to take the drugs they worship means more to them than anything. Including our recovery, quality of life, or even survival itself.
Just saw a commercial advertising another drug to treat the tardive dyskinesia shrinks have denied for decades. Of course coming off that “medication” is unthinkable since you “need” that mega dose of Haldol to treat the “bipolar” your shrink created by giving you an SSRI you had a reaction to and blaming it all on you. Horrible people with no conscience or empathy!
We are only objects for them to get rich by performing cruel, pointless experiments on.
They don’t serve us, but the public by providing a sense of security and “protecting” everybody from the monsters they create through torture and brain/nerve damage. They don’t give a damn about the well being of their human lab rats!
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Yes. What I have found.
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The concept of SMI is far harder to grasp than the concept of Santa Claus.
Is it violent behaviors? Stupidity? It depends.
If they want to pretend to be nice they treat you like you’re MMR. If they want to alarm your family or turn the public against those like you, they say “mental illness” is all about acting like Norman Bates or Mike Meyers or one of those other Hollywood pictures inspired by shrinks.
You find this in other forms of discrimination.
Let me quote an MRA/incel: All women are independent, needy, career obsessed, gold digging, picky whores.
Note the contradictory aspects to the image he created? That’s how shrinks describe the “mentally ill.”
“Dangerous, helpless, childish, cunning, irrational, diabolically clever, illogical, manipulative, detached, needy, unemotional, hysterical, arrogant would-be mass shooters. With low self esteem.”
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Realistically speaking, death isn’t going away either.
Yet we still fight against Asrael.
I recommend Robert watch the old Jimmy Stewart movie. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
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Besides limiting crime to more destructive behaviors society only publicizes “Mental illness” linked to the most destructive behaviors.
Psychiatry pretends to be merciful in how it punishes or “helps” the “SMI” criminal as a means to an end. That end? Legal impunity to inflict life long punishment on the innocent by accusing them of the potential to commit crimes.
Psychiatry is a legal force. Their treatments are cruel and unusual punishments inflicted on those guilty of having been deemed unfit to survive.
There’s an article from a few months back about a prominent shrink requesting special police who will answer to him alone. Pretty chilling.
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What are you hoping for Robert Nikkel? I applaud your hard work and sincerity, but am not sure what you intend to accomplish in the way of helping people.
Psychiatry will abuse since it’s profitable and asking shrinks nicely to please quit destroying our lives isn’t working. Why should they? They have no reason to.
My real hope is grass roots education of people who are not invested in “mental illness.” Ex-NAMI members who watched the psych system kill family members. (Not hyperbole.) Faith groups who reject the philosophy intrinsic to psychiatry of monism. Others who have seen the devastating consequences of long term SSRI use.
People who desperately long to escape the Madhouse Without Walls but don’t see a way. They need help escaping an abusive system.
Not asking, very politely, to please be a little less harmed. Pretty please. 🙁
I was surprised at how much support I got in my choice to leave psychiatry. I showed loved ones the evidence of cognitive decline created by the treatments and the lack of evidence for any pathology corrected by the same. A lot of people want to get better. A lot of friends and family are upset too at what shrinks think is acceptable quality of life. Including very early deaths.
If we must embrace lost causes, I prefer hopeless abolitionist to hopeless reformer. If success is impossible let us aim high!
Even if I never slay the Dragon at least I can help some people escape being burned or eaten by it.
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Mental workers have been known to “diagnose” people in notes with things like “worthless piece of sh*t.”
Read an article in a medical journal by a psych nurse joking about it.
They talk a good game to SOUND kind and polite in public. But even then they try to scare the public by explaining how dangerous these Subhuman Others are.
So House is not far fetched.
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They are anti psyche. They try to commit psychocide, but that’s not possible. So they strive to mutilate into a grotesque new form.
Don’t be afraid of those who can kill the body but do nothing to the soul.
They have damaged me physically but I make a conscious effort to forgive them every day. I believe all will be made right eventually.
If any psychiatrist apologizes I will accept it and offer my forgiveness. Better to suffer evil than to do evil. They are to be pitied.
They’ve mutilated their own souls far more than any of their victims.
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They are anti psyche. They try to commit psychocide, but that’s not possible. So they strive to mutilate into a grotesque new form.
Don’t be afraid of those who can kill the body but do nothing to the soul.
They have damaged me physically but I make a conscious effort to forgive them every day. I believe all will be made right eventually.
If any psychiatrist apologizes I will accept it and offer my forgiveness. Better to suffer evil than to do evil. They are to be pitied.
They’ve mutilated their own souls far more than any of their victims.
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You can’t bill Medicaid for drugs to inject into a corpse. The real reason the APA opposes euthenasia.
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Yep. The Golden Rule is never followed where “mental health” is concerned.
Psychiatric labels and drugs are for losers. Not suited for Real People like the mental workers.
THEY don’t want drugs, shocks, job loss, segregation. They want emotional support and understanding.
I notice suicidal shrinks attribute their own despair to misfortunes and stress. Not inferior genes or defective brains.
Hypocrisy thy name is Psychiatry.
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Fr. John thank you for this article. Ironically the damage to my soul that drove me “mad” occurred through a rupture in my church.
Spiritual abuse by adults when you are a sensitive child can be very traumatic. Something the secular mentalists claiming to help me never acknowledged. Especially since “mental health” chalks nearly everything up to biology nowadays.
Some find closure by ditching religion altogether. I only found true healing for my psyche by realizing the lies and false doctrine crammed down my throat and the disgust I felt at hypocrites. I have forgiven them, but am no more anti-religion than I am anti-science simply because medical quackery exists.
It is ironic how psychiatrists deny souls exist. They claim to fix “broken brains” but we already have the field of neurology. It’s interesting how psychiatrists and doctors talk about “non organic” causes of complaints. Many pro psychiatry groups like NAMI argue “What if we treated mental illnesses like physical illnesses?”
Hmm. If the disease is NOT organic or physical (as their language implies) why do they only offer physical remedies for bodily organs?
A lot of psych apologists like Jaffe argue that “It must be in the brain because nothing else exists.” Let’s ignore the a priori assumption of monism that the majority of the world’s people disagree with. Let’s assume all odd and erratic behaviors do originate in the brain. Some do–usually through brain trauma. (Others through liver failure, thyroid issues, etc.)
That still does not justify random acts of brain damage through coercing someone into long term use of mind altering drugs or mutilating the brain through shocks and other “psycho” surgeries. It’s like arguing for treating restless leg syndrome by severing someone’s spinal cord. Annoying as this neurological problem is, most of us would rather be able to walk.
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Don’t forget the guy who lives all alone in the outback. He wears nothing but a poncho from a square of tent canvas with a leather strap holding it together. Eats nothing but insects and honey he finds in the wild.
Every now and then he wanders into town yelling, “Repent!”
We don’t need to manipulate King Herod into cutting his head off anymore. Thanks to the miracles of modern medicine we can make this prophet as good as dead. Locked up forever and silenced.
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And because they are “mentally ill” and “defective” they will be given low priority as far as medical treatment goes. Along with the elderly.
At least that’s what my brother reports from his home in Massachusetts. As far as the elderly goes. Though that usually includes the disabled.
I am disabled. At first it was a GI issue and symptoms of an autoimmune disease. Now I am experiencing symptoms associated with conditions like MS. Pretty scary. And they’re the long term effects of psychiatric drugs. I have no doubt of that. Nor do I doubt that any doctor will deny this ugly truth.
Makes me skeptical about this Covid 19 thing altogether, knowing that doctors lie whenever convenient. Could this be a ploy by Big Pharma to make billions with a vaccine with little real value? I am sure the disease is real, it’s very contagious, and kills people. But I also think the mortality rates are inflated. How much I have no idea.
I recommend practicing social distancing as they advise. But, because of my experiences with the medical system, I am very skeptical of anything that receives this much publicity on television. Especially a lot of experts–in politics and showmanship more than medicine–spouting off SCIENCE STUFF.
Dr. Fauci and other high ranking, celebrity shock docs have been found making faulty predictions of mortality rates–if not deliberately skewing the numbers. Incompetence at best.
He also has made some stupid statements about how unless the infection rate from the virus falls to 0 we can not end the lockdown for anyone.
Fauci claims we should all stay locked up for at least a year. Homelessness and starvation don’t exist in his Reality it seems. Finally his medical brethren and the Big Pharma messiahs will provide our salvation in vaccine form.
Of course once the vaccine comes out, any infections or deaths from Covid 19 in the vaccinated won’t count. Just like all the times you catch the flu after getting vaccinated at work. Or get depressed on an SSRI.
No vaccine is 100% effective. Especially regarding as far as viruses go. But that doesn’t matter because the AMA and Big Pharma will be Heroes and cash in on the illusion of security.
Just like shrinks who claim to save the world from the mythical monsters they create.
Actually fortune telling and sooth saying fall into the realm of mysticism. Not science. So beware of doctors giving numbers to hypothetical scenarios with high levels of assurance.
Like the movie 101 Cloverfield Lane we have no choice but to trust those claiming to help us. For now.
(And if you see the movie, you’ll know that while John Goodman is the bad guy there really is something out there. So please keep social distancing. And wash your hands.)
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Hi Caroline.
I am less lonely practicing social distancing than I was in certain situations. Like being surrounded by people who regard me as an ogre. AKA severely mentally ill.
You can be very alone in a crowd.
Psychiatry robbed my life of meaning too. Here’s a link to check out. Copy and paste if you can’t click. https://lookingupliving.wordpress.com/2019/08/21/the-cult/
I want to read your book. Nobody in mainstream churches I have attended knows the truth about the “chemical imbalances” or how psychiatric drugs really work. Or even how they test you for a “severe mental illness.”
People are being maimed, segregated,, forced to live in poverty and dying young. They could know–if they cared to. 🙁
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Guilt can lead to suicide too, Madmom.
It’s either denial (I am actually helping them feel better, they aren’t fully human, they’re only fit for asylums anyhow) searing the conscience like the Big Baddies do (the kind who demonize their “mistakes” or victims on major media outlets), or succumb to guilt and have a breakdown. Or kill yourself. Maybe both.
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Dr. Abram Hoffer cured “schizophrenics” with mega doses of B and C vitamins. Of course it wasn’t really “mental illness” they suffered from but a severe nutritional deficiency that caused hallucinations and other bizarre thoughts. Kind of like Pellagra.
Dr. Hoffer should have come up with another word for it. But he actually helped people. Mom talked about taking me to his clinic in Canada back in the early nineties after my diagnosis. But it didn’t work out. Unbeknownst to us both, just going off the “meds” would have alleviated a lot of my problems. 20 20 hindsight. 🙁
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They are pro-truth Sam. Pro-human. Pro-love.
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I can only speak for myself, but it wasn’t anything so grand or lofty for me.
I sank under the weight of years of bullying and two periods of homelessness as a child. Got so depressed and anxious I sought help from a shrink as a friend suggested.
Went on Anafranil for three weeks and snapped. Got put on a cocktail till I escaped after 22 years. Not sure I can ever quit grieving. The damage is real.
Stories like those of Mad Mom’s daughter don’t cheer me up. (Nor should they.) But they remind me not to wallow in self pity. Many are worse off than I.
Iatrogenic brain damage is the remedy. The only treatment Psychiatry offers. Its answer for everything.
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Psychiatry helps people by ruining their jobs, relationships, and isolating them. Their treatments consist of branding the unhappy/lonely as hopelessly insane menaces to others. And now they push disabling drugs to keep them from functioning or looking normal for mainstream society. (Adds to the credibility of how inferior the Others are.)
Somehow they think what harms themselves and the “normals” helps the “mentally ill.” 😛
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Yep. The double standard psychiatry promotes.
Black and white thinking as they shove everybody into neat, little boxes. The “healthy normal” people who have the right to feel sad or frightened or lonely. Versus the “mentally ill” whose feelings are only symptoms of the disease they have instead of a personality–according to shrinks.
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Yeah. So what if you take their brain drugs religiously? It’s still your fault for resisting the treatment. 😛
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It isn’t meant to be read by “consumers” judging from tone and subject matter. 😛
BTW, if you can understand it you must be “non-compliant.” Why aren’t you taking your “meds” you naughty kid? 😀
Tsk tsk.
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They have ignored many inconvenient things. Like “consumers” dying 25 years prematurely. Diminished quality of life among those they “help” and brain damage proven to be caused by their treatments according to a member of the APA.
They also refuse to listen when anyone complains that the seizures, depression, hallucinations or thoughts of violence didn’t start till after they got put on the magical pills handed out like office candy. I knew better than to ask my shrink for help.
I ran away. And will do whatever it takes to keep away from the mental illness makers.
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I heartily agree Patrick.
Drugs or blame the parents. Nice example of a false dilemma.
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Body, soul and spirit. Mental and emotional are different sides to the soul.
In claiming to help the body with (short term) emotional pain killers, psychiatry harms all of the above.
Glad you are finding wellness, Laurel. I’m forty-six and struggling to heal my body after 26 years on drugs. 22 years were poly. Drug free for 2 and 1/2.
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A lot more would get rid of those devices if the government (across the pond) actually threatened to track them. Chalk it up to Yankee paranoia. A lot of people are AFRAID to give up their guns because the first thought that comes to their heads is Government Take Over.
A big fuss in the mid west. We are afraid of getting infected and dying. But we don’t automatically trust the feds either.
Convincing others not involved in the psych system that the “Mentals” could be coming for them next–to take away their health, freedom, businesses, family–is way more hopeful than trying to reason with those in the psych system. Whose income depends on refusing to acknowledge the damage they do.
A working title for a new dystopian series. Medocracy. “Don’t be afraid. We’re the Healers. We only want to help you.”
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If psych hospitals become harbingers of contagion they will lock people up indefinitely. Turn the wards into those asylums that make psychiatrists teary eyed with nostalgia.
Worried that homeless rates will skyrocket thanks to businesses shutting down. And large numbers of homeless people will be another excuse to set up more long care asylums. 🙁
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In America there have been 143,000 cases severe enough to be diagnosed. The asymptomatic do not count. 2,500 deaths out of those. If you have a calculator you can crunch the numbers.
Italy is far worse. The worst as far as fatalities go. With 7% of recorded cases dying.
Please read my comment below. I believe social distancing is a necessary evil after all. But with proper medical care the death rates can be kept very low.
The idea is that with fewer cases there will be more medical resources for those who do get sick.
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Yes. Silencing dissenters was what the USSR did.
No one had any motive for silencing me. Unless you count not acknowledging that the psych drugs were responsible for turning my “neurosis” into full blown “psychosis” with hallucinations that terrified me.
But they insisted that “they never have that effect on anyone” despite label warnings. Can’t have pill shaming after all.
Still no belief in what I say. I’m very nervous around doctors because of this.
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Depression and anxiety are different things. Gratitude can fix discontentment or depression because it helps you appreciate what you have. But we get anxious that these things we are grateful for may be lost.
The cure for anxiety is hope.
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I survived. I am not a myth.
Nowhere have I seen any of us calling ourselves glorified heroes on this site. Nor do we feel heroic.
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I take back what I said above. But doctors have told some whoppers. To and about me.
Liars are not believed, forsooth.
Even when liars tell the truth.
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Actually they are being “put in a cage” by the powers that be. Forced to stay at home in isolation.
Our “old normal.” And they are cracking already.
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Evil tends to be short sighted.
And there are few things as evil as crippling children and adults while pretending to cure them. Telling them powerful, mind altering drugs are “just like insulin” for the diabetes they never had.
Psychiatrists are ruining Western Civilization by making it go bankrupt supporting those they themselves have disabled. They expect to get way more money than all the disability checks combined for the benefit they add to society by disabling people. Not that they care.
Remember The Lorax by Dr. Seuss? The POV character never meant to destroy all the Truffula trees. His business was based on them after all.
That’s how psychiatrists and pharma CEO’s are. They don’t plan on destroying everything since they enjoy sipping champagne on their yachts.
But they insist on chopping down children who won’t grow back. There’s a reason Gen Y has so few workers in it. Check how many young people “use” mental services.
Generation Rx. They’re worse off than my generation where losers like me were exceptions. Why else are many college kids so incoherent in debates? Why else this utter lack of emotional resilience and surge in obesity?
Cognitive decline, loss of inhibition, obesity…all minor side effects. Proven to come from the “safe and effective” treatments often forced upon the public. Courtesy of the Mental Illness makers. 😛
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I wish they would judge us on our behaviors. The content of our character. Not what some “expert” who asks us ten perfunctory questions determines after less than fifteen minutes.
Roger Elliot was a nervous, awkward young man. But that doesn’t mean all nervous, awkward people deserve punishment for what he did.
Psychiatry finds a few arbitrary behaviors and quirks that may annoy relatives but are perfectly harmless. Or social anxiety which I had and they “helped” by bringing shame, dishonor and the ultimate social degradation upon me.
Isolated me by causing family and friends to reject me in disgust and horror. They created artificial disability from drug “side effects” they blamed on the alleged brain disease. That’s how they helped me along with countless others.
Comfort the comfortable by afflicting the afflicted. Should be the motto of the APA. 😛
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Isolation has long been known to produce odd mental states.
These findings don’t surprise me.
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10 should scare everyone. I guess the rationale behind the “MH” article is that doctors are in short supply and (maybe) all those “mentally ill” won’t observe proper social distancing and will require more lock ups.
In America it’s mostly the right wing who’s afraid. But even they tend to be in awe of SCIENCE.
My brother works for Big Pharma. THE DISEASE KILLS PEOPLE. IF MOM OR DAD LEAVE THE PROPERTY THEY WILL DIE!!!
He gives much worse death rates than those I read in other places. I read that even frail octogenarians in nursing homes are more apt to beat the bug than die. 90% survival odds in worst case scenarios.
Joel assures me that there is at least a 15% chance that Mom and Dad will die if infected. Both are under seventy and have health issues. So some precautions make sense.
But locking us up for six months? I don’t see that as sustainable. Yet Joel assures me it’s absolutely necessary or PEOPLE WILL DIE.
People die every day. This is not the Bubonic Plague. And it’s not even the Spanish Flu. People didn’t hide at home during that epidemic as I recall. Now we have better sanitation and nutrition.
But we won’t if the economy collapses and hundreds of thousands become homeless while starving on the streets. 🙁
IMHO this is a scare tactic as a bid for power by Big Pharma/Big Government. Since Joel only hears what Big Pharma says, working 13 hours a day all week from home, he is brainwashed. For all practical purposes.
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Are they in control of their actions or are they unaccountable?
I agree that the stance is inconsistent.
House arrest might be a good alternative. Not just for people with SMI diagnoses, but more non violent criminals.
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Lobbying AKA legal bribery must be abolished!
Cronyism=corruption.
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Syrena Clark, even when I believed in psychiatry, I disliked the “educational” narrative that “all schizophrenics” act like something out of a horror movie. Murder is a moral issue. Not a cognitive one.
If people choose to take the pills and see therapists or whatever, cool. It’s their choice. Provided it’s an informed one.
But whether you are in the system or out–getting treated like a monster or shot is horrible. No human being deserves to be treated that way.
All the “education” foisted on the public only leads to more paranoia among people like the police. Like soldiers they have finely tuned “fight or flight” mechanisms. Scaring them with stories of how evuuullll “severely mentally ill” people are will not end the shootings.
I had the police called on me during a bad trip from a drug reaction combined with stress. No guns were pulled. They called the paramedics before I passed out.
They thought I was having a bad drug trip. Actually I was. All psychiatric.
That was an odd experience and I had seen my shrink that day who told me I was “depressed” though I explained I was loopy instead. But not listening to me was par for the course with most of them.
As far as violence goes, preventing that by force is what police are for. I don’t see why “educating” police about the “mentally ill” is necessary or helpful. Let them deal with each situation as needful.
Telling them someone is freaking out on a bad drug trip but seems harmless might be better if they are told anything at all. It may have been why they were so nice to me. Of course I was in a passive, trance like state but if they had pulled guns on me I’m not sure how I would have behaved.
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Sam, you think doctors love to “diagnose” everything as mental so they can ignore real medical problems and throw drugs at phony ailments with no biomarker? (Incapable of DISPROVING. Hence they get off Scot free since they can never be accused of a misdiagnosis.)
They love to throw SSRI’s at everything. Stomach cancer. Lyme disease. TBI. Crohn’s. Arthritis. Yeast infections along with all things female. 😛
Beats having to be professionally competent and solve real issues doesn’t it?
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Yes. I’m bitter and mean as that post revealed. Too much time alone.
I’m used to being isolated but it only took a little extra to break my reserves.
If it weren’t for others I’d be exposing, I would choose to infect myself with the XXXX virus and get it over with. After what I’ve been through death’s not that scary. Once you are dead there’s nothing more human beings can do to you.
I’m not suicidal BTW. Just stir crazy.
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I wouldn’t argue this in court. A good lawyer would dig up dirt on the “medical expert” which usually is not hard to do and undermine his credibility so the judge would drop him.
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Dr. Biswas probably labeled the man herself. And drugged him too.
Someone in her field told the police he was dangerous and should be feared as a vicious, murderous psycho killer. Then acts shocked when they shoot him–using the information about him that her industry provided.
I love to think of some of the “lock them up” commenters getting dragged into the psych system. They get no pity from me when they do. They deserve none. I hope they wind up in one of “Doc” Drew’s new asylums since they thought it was good enough for the Others they loathed.
Hitler would never have risen to power if the Germans had not elected him and applauded when he blamed the Jews for all that was wrong with Germany. Cotton Mather only was able to hang a bunch of “witches” because the other Puritans mindlessly accepted what he said. They thought killing them might help the crops grow better and end the plague.
I recommend Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s essay on “stupidity.” Not what is usually meant by that word.
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I’m pretty sure my serotonin is too low. That’s what SSRI drugs actually do. The “high” is temporary and your body quits producing enough thanks to disrupting the way your body recycles it.
I’m going to go on tryptophan. And exercise.
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And people with poor fashion sense, or those who laugh in public, or write in a journal are abnormal. Therefore “mentally ill” and dangerous. According to our current Mental Illness Czar.
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It’s a great shell and nuts game. Pretend the mind altering drugs are medicine. When the mark goes insane, blame them for having an inferior brain and DNA.
The mark is spell bound and isn’t sure what’s real. They know they’re screwed up mentally and trust the doctor. Normally a logical decision.
If they stay on the “meds” they act crazy. If they go off–almost always cold turkey–they act crazy from withdrawals. The family doesn’t know what to think. The shrink tells them, “The family member you loved is gone forever. Lol. Make sure she takes her medicine. They never do. Remember if she acts weird she’s lying.”
My family was never fully deceived since they knew I was obedient–wanting to “get well” and quit being a burden and bother. They knew I took those things dutifully–though they bought me a pill chest since the doctor said “Okay. Maybe she’s not lying. They forget all the time too. That illness makes them lazy and irresponsible.”
The whole time my conservative, teetotaler, anti-marijuana, “just say know” family, college, church were urging me to become a drug addict and then yelling at me for acting like one. I was the only person willing to do any research or read articles in the APA journal. None of my loved ones read anything I show them.
But they never disowned me and accepted my decision to come off once I revealed how I had done it nearly two years after the fact. Most families are NOT that supportive. So I’ll always owe them for that. And they’ve suffered too from having an unwitting junkie for a daughter all these years. 🙁
Idea for a meme.
“Just remember Batman. If the citizens of Gotham weren’t mentally ill to begin with they never would have had that reaction to my toxic nerve gas.” Dr. Arkham aka Scarecrow
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One of these days I’m writing a book that cites works by characters like Torrey, Pies, etc.–making them accessible to mainstream public who actually want to help people and restore them to health and sanity.
Trying to reason with those who benefit from afflicting us and driving us crazy is a waste of time. No more discussions. Like trying to “work something out” with an abusive spouse.
If we go back or remain the beatings will continue.
“Mental illness” is not a social construct. It’s an iatrogenic one. Created by psychiatrists. Sometimes knowingly.
Over 95% of all SMI cases were perfectly sane until they got put on a drug for being sad because the family dog died or were nervous over exams. Then they went bonkers and got branded by their shrink.
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Psychiatry=police state.
Anthony, if possible, I advise you to leave Australia. From what I have read it’s psycho-state is far worse than ours.
The fact that our health care is still partially privatized comes in handy since you can relocate to another state if ordered to be drugged or shocked without consent and they can’t legally kidnap you there. Or–if not state ordered–relocate to another community where no one knows your past and provide scant details for the hospital/doctors you see there.
When you have to see a doctor he won’t automatically have access to the records of another system. You’ll also receive better care for kidney damage, IBD and other cruelties the shrinks have inflicted on you. It’s like they don’t care if you die if you have an SMI label.
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“Normal” people don’t commit violent crimes.
That’s their story and they’re sticking to it.
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“further deterioration of the connections in the frontal lobe.. makes no sense….”
Bingo!
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Ironic. Stigma and loss of income is what I got from seeking “mental health.”
I am wondering how all those who attend community mental centers are doing. I’m sure the already marginalized “consumers” miss the time spent with the few friends they have. Especially since so many live alone. 🙁
Calling a friend who’s still in the “mental illness system.” Hard to leave as I know too well.
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Thank you for this article Dr. K. You left out how television–also a great tool of stupidification was utilized by psychiatry to sell themselves. Nearly all the drug commercials you see on TV now are psychiatric. The police and hospital dramas on the idiot box push the narrative of “mental illness” as well.
Few non-professionals read journal articles or books by Torrey/Jaffe, Lieberman, Pies or the rest. Otherwise they might see through the charade and discover how inhumane their treatments are.
Torrey actually boasted in his underground work Shrinks about how he drove a number of “asymptomatic schizophrenics” crazy by drugging them without knowledge or consent. When reprimanded he joked about how causing “schizophrenics” to go out of their minds was no big deal.
It’s actually lucky for these guys that their books are not widely read. I think they want their articles and books to remain an inside job–read and reviewed by approving peers–and never see the light of day. Those who practice evil love darkness.
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Yep. Psychiatry is magic. Literally.
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“Freud and other fathers of psychiatry may have been evil, but they were not stupid.”
Freud was one perv who loved to “project.” Especially on the young wives he saw. He would explain to these vulnerable, trusting women what their dreams “really” meant.
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Been on at least one psych drug from age 18 to 44.
Off now since 08/31/17.
My mind is clearer despite brain damage and spaciness. But my body is a wreck. I can no longer digest food normally.
At 46 I am forced to live with relatives because my SSI check won’t cover rent and no HUD anywhere. Exhausted from malnutrition since my body won’t absorb vitamins or minerals so I remain unemployed despite recent job openings that won’t be there once this scare is over.
I don’t know what I will do when my parents are gone.
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After seeing how doctors behave, I say we owe used car sales people and lawyers an apology.
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I remember The Wizard of Oz where the humbug says, “I’m a very good man, but a very bad wizard.”
My guess is there are a number of psychiatrists who could say, “I’m a very good person, but a very bad doctor.” Assuming they are well meaning but clueless makes it easier to forgive the damage.
Like Dorothy and her friends I’m still very angry at their deception. And–unlike Oz–they continue to keep the up charade.
Psychiatry means never having to say you’re sorry.
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FWIW psychiatry puts a great deal of emphasis on how powerless you are.
Being told I had an incurable brain disease that would surely drive me mad without unquestioning obedience made me feel helpless and hopeless. Truly horrific.
The exact opposite of 12 Steps in many ways.
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Your mind came back but not your body. Not uncommon Laurie. Check out the archives for beyondmeds.com and read Monica’s story.
“This caused my family to believe I didn’t care enough about THEM to seek ‘treatment.'”
I read lines like this and feel sick. God bless you, Laurie, it’s not at you but how selfishly many families of the “mentally ill” behave.
It’s all about them–though you’re the one in torment. And they take the word of a stranger in a lab coat over the family member they should know and love. 🙁
Doctors are known to make mistakes, but they refuse to consider this. Too inconvenient.
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Their faux compassion fools no one. Except maybe themselves.
Basically they believe that all murders in the world are committed only by a mass of inferior beings called the “mentally ill” and they want these people to be drugged, locked up, or both for their own good. I despise hypocrisy.
Crippling and labeling certain individuals is a public service psychiatry performs.
1. It provides a sense of moral superiority to all the “normal” as well as a sense of optimism about the innate goodness of humanity. All normal people are sweet and kind. The only ones capable of doing evil are those with “schizophrenia” or “bipolar.”
2. It provides a sense of security. After every mass shooting the Experts point out the shooter was labeled or label him posthumously. They skillfully evade the questions as to whether or not he was “medicated.” They keep silent and nobody ever asks the question.
I remember reading about Andrea Yates in a NAMI newsletter. They said her “bipolar” was why she drowned her kids. No mention of the psychiatric “care” she was receiving as I recall. NAMI wanted to let her get off on the grounds of her alleged brain disease.
I found the whole thing confusing and resented letting a murderer get off scott free on the grounds that she had a “mental illness.” Didn’t NAMI know that would make us all look bad and feed the flames of “stigma”? Now I realize they were just using her case as a promotional gimmick. And it was really due to involuntary intoxication. I discovered this after I finally gave the NAMI cult the finger.
The only reason I remained obedient to my psychiatrist as long as I did was out of the belief that I would otherwise harm innocent people. For their sake. Not because the drugs made me feel so darn good or helped me function.
Now that I know the truth I’m very angry. Not just for my own sake either.
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She seemed to be blaming it on him not being forcibly drugged. Though most (not all) people truly out of their gourd are indeed drugged. Shrinks twist the facts to suit their agenda.
Briswais fails to say whether drugs were in his system–making me suspect he was “medicated” and refuses to consider whether her demonization of people like him played any role.
Calling people dangerous does not end discrimination. But it is great PR for forced psychiatry.
Then when there’s the predictable decline in voluntary “consumers” these same shrinks will have a giant pity party about how “stigma” is hurting their own careers. “Poor me. I only make a 6 digit income instead of a 7. Only we psychiatrists suffer from the pain of ‘stigma.’ We are SO oppressed. And no one has offered to officially crown us sovereign monarchs yet.”
Google “stigma + psychiatrist” and log onto a psychiatric professional site sometime. Quite a lack of insight in these virtual sob fests. Laughable in fact–on my good days. 😀
Yet they use this same “stigma” as a marketing ploy whenever convenient. Making me question their intelligence as well as whether or not they possess a shred of conscience.
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Psychology will always treat its “consumers” like objects because of unquestioning acceptance of psychiatry’s bio bio bio model. Hence objectification is inevitable. My therapists encouraged me to feel helpless and accept a horrible life with no purpose, happiness, or love. I’m through with all of that.
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Psychiatry flourished under the USSR. “Sluggish Schizophrenia” was the diagnosis for would-be defectors.
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Worse still it depends on ad money from various “mental health” touting sponsors. Like nearly all media outlets.
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A burning sensation without a flame to my hand. It’s “weird” because there is no visible cause. Like neuropathy.
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I was afraid I would go insane and kill innocent people if I did not do exactly as I was told. They were wrong.
Despite my physical pain my soul is free at last! 🙂
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I suffer many of the above. IBS, chronic pain, artaxia, weird burning sensations on occasion. All of these came 20 years after my diagnosis of bipolar 2 after a bad reaction to Anafranil which the psychiatrist blamed on my unmasked illness.
Antidepressants are proven to mess up your digestion and heart rhythm. And significant nerve damage is normal. None of these were a problem before-though I did feel depressed and anxious. Those are easier to control now.
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My Haldol made me miserable because I couldn’t think straight. I almost committed suicide because of it.
A mental ball and chain. And the APA argues it’s justifiable to hobble people for life because they once had a sprained ankle.
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I have witnessed cognitive decline, premature death, homelessness, and suicidal desires in countless people fully drugged according to psychiatrist’s specific orders. Yet they pretend all these people are perfectly happy and lead great lives. I guess if you wind up homeless, suffer IQ loss by 40 points, and kill yourself while “compliant” it doesn’t count. Sick of psychiatry’s denial of its botched experiments on unwitting or unwilling human guinea pigs.
I bet the police shot the man because they had listened to shrinks like Biswas tell what dangerous monsters all those she treats are. Calling innocent people dangerous murderers is not compassion. Claiming it will end bigotry is ludicrous. And I find it hard to believe those like Biswas want to–even on a conscious level.
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I have witnessed cognitive decline, premature death, homelessness, and suicidal desires in countless people fully drugged according to psychiatrist’s specific orders.
Yet psychiatrists and the media pretend all these people are perfectly happy and lead great lives. I guess if you wind up homeless, suffer IQ loss by 40 points, and kill yourself while “compliant” it doesn’t count. Sick of psychiatry’s denial of its botched experiments on unwitting or unwilling human guinea pigs.
I bet the police shot the man because they had listened to shrinks like Biswas tell what dangerous monsters all those she treats are. Calling innocent people dangerous murderers is not compassion. Claiming it will end bigotry is ludicrous. And I find it hard to believe those like Biswas want to–even on a conscious level.
Sickening and sad how folks believe what TV and propaganda puff pieces say more than what they perceive with their own senses. 🙁
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Someone here at MIA really needs to do a piece on how people can be “compliant” or on AOT and still wind up homeless. RW has done a great job showing how psych drugs severely reduce chances for employment–especially gainful. It seems an inability to pay rent should be admitted to play a role in homelessness. Funny how drugging people is supposed to magically create shelters for them.
I call BS on this celebrity shock doc’s claim that “all mentally ill people enjoy being homeless” and drugs will fix it. And asylums are more cost effective than HUD. If he is put in charge of them we know who stands to come out ahead financially. Not the tax payers. Definitely not the people struggling to survive because his profession maimed them.
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Longer duration of going untreated does have worse outcomes-for psychiaytrists.
Fewer pills=no lavish vacations called education, and no token gifts like fruit baskets woven from gold wires or diamond studded fountain pens.
Your psychiatrist’s new 80 foot yacht won’t pay for itself.
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Reverse pill shaming is a thing.
Popular with psychiatrists.
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I have been pretty depressed lately. Not getting much done.
My depression is a symptom of pernicious anemia. A physical (real) illness. Anemia can be treated with iron supplements and infusions. By a real doctor.
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Love this article Megan. It offers a new spin on “What if we treated ‘mental illnesses’ like physical illnesses?” Ignoring that “mental illnesses” are supposed to be brain diseases (physical) and rendering the analogy nonsensical. But the doctors who claim to fix these alleged brain diseases act like no others.
My own pet peeve is how our culture practices “sadness shaming.” Like there’s something disgraceful about not grinning like the Cheshire Cat 24/7. It really irritates me.
My peeve is not that people find their own sadness/depression intolerable (understandable) but those around them do. No matter how much cause you have to feel gloomy friends and neighbors nag you to hurry up and see a doctor to take some medicine cause unhappiness is a disease.
If you express reluctance or argue your sorrow/grief is reasonable since you lost your job, your kid disowned you, your spouse left or beats you, you have cancer, your dog died, your house burnt down it’s always…”Oh no. You must have depression.” Then, if you still decline they get mad at you. Accuse you of being too proud to get “help.”
Like being sad is a crime. Ironically once you say you’re getting “helped” you can quit smiling altogether and act gloomy all the time and quit bathing or going out. But say you’re taking your “meds” and everyone applauds. Never mind it isn’t working or maybe you feel like Riley in Inside Out once she lost Joy and Sadness.
Reverse pill shaming. You must take drugs–even if they make you feel 10 x worse–as penance for the sin of unhappiness.
I wonder if having to pose as Happy Stepford Robots is behind the loneliness epidemic. Phoniness can be VERY alienating.
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Ironic how according to psychiatrists “black and white thinking” is a sure sign of one of those pesky things they label “personality disorders.”
And a sure symptom of “schizophrenia” is the inability to distinguish between the metaphorical/abstract and the concrete/literal.
But my apologies to any any well informed psychiatrist reading this. I acknowledge that you never made that mistake but only cited the “chemical imbalance metaphor” in order to dupe prospective customers and the public.
Hmm.
1. Lying without remorse for self gain.
2. The belief that might makes right. The rules do not apply to you.
3. No regret or remorse for the people you have hurt.
4. Convincing someone they are worthless, inferior, insane.
5. Self pity when called into account for how you have harmed others.
6. Extending cordiality, respect, and regard toward some–but exhibiting harshness, cruelty, and inhumanity to those in a group you regard as weaker and less than human.
Now what “mental illness” would these be “symptoms” of?
Anyone want to take a guess?
😀
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Remember that line from Jerry MacGuire? “Show me the money!”
Show me the disease!
The fact that recovery can occur without medical treatment should really make us question the bio model.
For the sake of argument, even if psychosis is linked to a brain disease–until scientists can produce a bio marker they don’t know what’s wrong and can’t fix it. Assuming improved brain function is what they are after.
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Actually the Georgians (early 19th century Britain) had a better way of viewing extreme states than 21st century psychiatrists IMNHO.
Today’s APA composes lists of arbitrary traits their elite group deemed unacceptable and votes into existence.
In Georgian England, madness was as madness did. “Diagnosis” was composed solely of behaviors. Way more honest than our system. Once the extreme behaviors stopped you were no longer considered mad. And you had to be very weird to be considered mad.
Ordinary “consumers” you regularly meet at NAMI or mental centers would be too rational to qualify in that era. Even those visibly muddled by the ball and chain treatments of today.
A certain Shaun S. commented here that psychiatry needs to distinguish between the consenting and nonconsentual “consumers.” I heartily agree with him on that.
But I think it is far more important to distinguish between the dangerous and the harmless.
The pop culture narrative (touted by celebrity docs–experts in showmanship and propaganda) is that all the treated are harmless and safe to be around.
All the undrugged are dangerous and a public menace. Black and white thinking to put real, complex human beings into little boxes where the Benevolent All Knowing Psychiatrist will keep them forever. Amen.
The evidence (statistics, long term studies, empirical) tells another story.
All people deserve to be judged on the content of their character. Not the claims of some bureaucrat in a lab coat who doesn’t know them from Adam.
Harmless eccentrics, trauma victims, and those with head injuries should not be categorized with violent criminals. In claiming to be merciful to the latter psychiatric law proves itself neither merciful nor just to the former.
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A word of encouragement.
Charlotte Perkins was cured from her “hysteria” by rejecting her role as a madwoman and made a new life for herself doing work that brought her satisfaction.
This is the cure I’m trying now. Sadly my body is damaged and I have real disabilities.
But I’m no longer acting like a “bipolar” because I relocated and went off the “meds” that caused my mood swings to start with.
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You can read “The Yellow Wall-Paper” by Charlotte Perkins online for free at Gutenberg or in downloadable PDF format.
How the Experts try to “help” the POV character:
1. They cut her off from everybody.
2. They prevent her from working.
3. They encourage her in idleness–tell her to lie in bed all day thinking about how insane she is.
4. They patronize her–treating an intelligent, rational adult like a child or developmentally delayed person.
5. Sensory deprivation.
6. When she complains of depression and how intolerable the situation is, her doctor husband tells her, “That’s just your illness talking.”
But things have changed now they say.
Here’s how:
1. They brand you with a new “mentally ill” identity so you get cut off from friends and family.
2. They actively discourage you from working. The drugs and discrimination play a role. (Never ask for reasonable accommodations for you “mental illness”! They kept telling me to do that. Bad advice and I think they knew it.)
3. They only encourage “peer” activities. Weekly “groups” at the mental illness center and NAMI meetings to discuss your “symptoms” and talk about how hopelessly crazy you are.
4. They patronize you. Treating you like a child or developmentally delayed person even though you’re an intelligent, rational adult.
5. They put you on drugs that dull your senses.
6. When you complain of depression and how intolerable your life situation is, the Experts say, “That’s just your mental illness talking.”
Yep. Things are so much better now. 😛
*Snark.*
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The meanest psychiatrist I ever had happened to be a woman.
It’s not just a male/female thing.
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You know how you feel better than anyone else.
A lot of us here–including the anti-psych crowd–are not against the use of SSRI’s or whatever. It’s coercive psychiatry we oppose. Involuntary. Obviously not your situation.
Glad you have a doctor willing to work with you. 🙂
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My ex had a therapist try to seduce him. When Michael said “No” the therapist warned him not to tell anybody because “No one will believe you since you’re mentally ill.”
This is an even bigger problem with women–though horrible for anybody. Julie Greene told me how having a counselor proposition her almost drove her to suicide.
As long as the policy is #believenomentallyill there will be a gross power imbalance leaving clients/consumers/patients with no recourse when the authority figure takes advantage of them.
Solution? Don’t see any counselor who uses the labels. Either rogue practitioners or uncertified or those who belong to the Choice Theory/Reality Therapy school or something similar.
Even counselors who mean well often treat you as “less than” if they believe you are hopeless and not quite human. For example a counselor I talked to automatically sided against a woman whose family refused to let her see her grandchildren. He didn’t know her from Adam but said, “She probably was unstable or they (the “normals”) would not have treated her this way.” Troubling how his education made him automatically make these assumptions. That the “mentally ill” are intrinsically subhuman and the “normals” they interact with are never at fault.
Check the NAMI site sometime. You can scan the forums without joining. A lot of complaining from parents, spouses, etc. about how horrible their “loved ones” act. How abusive the thirty year old son they force to live in the garage behaves. (If only he would take his meds.) Yet not a word of complaint from the “loved” one about how the caretakers abuse them.
We know that caretaker abuse is a real thing. My guess is either they are too brow beaten to notice emotional abuse–and may feel they deserve physical abuse as well. Or the moderator censors the posts of more than “pill shaming” thought crimes.
“Remember mental illness is nobody’s fault” could be translated “Remember everything bad that happens is the mentally ill person’s fault.” If you interact with most “SMI’s” who are conscientious patients with good insight you’ll notice how fearful they look. How they apologize for EVERYTHING.
Not saying this is a conscious thing on shrinks’ part. But telling you that you are walking disease. (Your mind or soul is a cancer and you are hopelessly “ill” meaning evil.) That everything wrong in every relationship is YOUR fault as the “crazy” person is why so many of us get into abusive relationships.
A few decide, “Hey, since everyone tells me I’m evil/crazy just like a serial killer why not act out on my anger? Not my fault after all.” So they become abusive and use the label as an excuse. Few do this but psychiatry encourages well meaning spouses to stay with abusers. “Mrs. X your husband can’t help his abuse. His scientifically proven brain disease means he can’t be held responsible for body slamming you against the wall and smashing the sculptor you worked on for ten years. Making him take his medicines will turn him into the sweet guy you dated.”
But usually the shrinks will enable abusive “normals” with “crazy” spouses. We all know how that goes. And therapists will always side with the abuser as long as he or she is “normal.” Since only “sick” people hurt others after all.
I almost married a man who treated me badly. When things didn’t go his way he told me how crazy I was and used my “bipolar” against me. I felt lucky any man would deign to be with me and let him treat me that way till he threatened my dad and sister.
I quit dating forever once I realized the only kind of men I can attract are abusers thanks to my training at the mental illness centers for 20 years. I always felt ugly and awkward since my teens. Then the shrink told me I was a crazy psycho too.
“But no” says Dr. Quackenbush. “I don’t like the words ‘crazy’ or ‘psycho’ since they undermine the validity of the branch of hard medical science which I practice.” All about HIS career. Of course.
But he knows “bipolar” and “schizophrenia” mean dangerous/murderous/evil. They are moral judgments and if he doesn’t know that he’s the only one who hasn’t caught on.
Maybe we should just look at behaviors themselves. “Bipolar” is basically meaningless. Breaking a nose, screaming vile names, locking someone in a room…you don’t need a shrink’s diagnosis to know these behaviors are unacceptable.
And if your partner acts that way you don’t need a shrink to diagnose YOU because you’re depressed or anxious! Get out of dodge. Find a way to escape the abuser. You need all your mental faculties–and your anxiety to escape. Fight or flight is a normal response to emotional games or threats of physical harm.
Calling it a disease is an insult and dismisses how horrible your situation is.
The more “educated” in psychiatry a counselor–or just about anybody is–the worse they treat those branded “severely mentally ill.” That’s why I will never see anyone who believes in the DSM again.
I received some helpful advice in interviews with Will Hall during withdrawal. He’s uncertified by any of the mental illness factories. That only added to his value in my opinion.
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Thanks for your kind words Bradford. 🙂
Part of it’s not withdrawal nor my TBI or other residual damage. Nor even shame.
It’s grief I have never been able to process till now. Too old and damaged to do a lot of things. But there’s still much I can do.
Someday I will be able to go through an entire 24 hours without crying.
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“Meds” cut your life expectancy by 25-30 years.
I felt inferior. My shrink said, “No Rachel. You don’t have an inferiority complex. According to my DSM you really are inferior.” 😀
Actually trauma by itself could have been overcome. Psychiatry ruined my life in every way imaginable.
No friends. Too sick and old for a family or career. Living in poverty and isolation. Too sick to leave my room some days.
I sit alone awaiting the sweet release of death. Beyond any hope of improvement in this world.
It’s too late and I’m too damaged for anything good. I’ll spend the rest of my days holed up alone in some relative’s spare bedroom like my “schizophrenic” great aunt who also gave up on life after Psychiatry had its way with her.
Nowhere to get rid of her shame. She lived out her days closeted away-a desolate woman cut down in her teens.
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AOT is very real and prominent psychiatrists promote it.
I only escaped because of my years of compliance.
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Dr. Hall, I applaud your courage in writing this article. We are hard on members of your profession here at MIA. But if you will take the time and trouble to read through some of our heart breaking stories you may understand why.
I assume you mean well and want to help people. But here are some problems with the system you are working with. Not just the mind altering drugs used to treat distressing thoughts and feelings.
But psychiatry attempts to use the Linnaean System to categorize human suffering and bad behaviors. It’s really like mapping constellations in the sky. No–not all “mad” behaviors are just social constructs. The stars in the sky are very real. But human beings are the ones drawing the lines between the stars to make pictures of hunters, bears, princesses, etc.
Those of us labeled do not find them conducive to reintegration. They harm our relationships, prevent us from gainful employment, and can cause homelessness from lack of income and discrimination from landlords. (Not enough HUD for everyone categorized as SMI anymore.)
For starters, do you have any idea how horrible it is to have your friends and family turn from you in disgust and loathing because you have been categorized as a monster by a respected professional?
Ironically the more “pro psychiatry” a group is the worse they treat someone classified as “severely mentally ill.” It did not help that my “meds” caused seizures, ridiculous weight gain, and made me act weirder than ever due to hindering my thought processes. These helpful pro psych people insisted the weight gain was all my fault and everything else was proof that I was “noncompliant” when the exact opposite is true.
And how is labeling someone “schizophrenic” or “bipolar” for life supposed to motivate them to change? It’s great for aiding “meds compliance” and “insight.” But neither equals improved life–either in quality or quantity.
I no longer act bipolar. But no doctor would ever pronounce me cured because the DSM 5 states that that is impossible. They label me based on certain “symptoms” yet when these symptoms are gone they refuse to acknowledge a misdiagnosis or pronounce me cured. This happens all the time for those who escape the system.
All my psychotic mania was caused by a reaction to Anafranil. Most doctors argue “Well it just unmasked the illness already there.” Guess what? I remasked it by going off the crap that caused it to begin with.
Since all psychiatry offers is “controlling the symptoms” shouldn’t we try what works instead of rigid, mindless adherence to status quo that isn’t helping people?
Even in the Victorian days psychiatrists distinguished between the harmless and the violent “lunatics.” Yet now they lump harmless, but lonely eccentrics into the same category as serial killers regardless of any history of violence or current behaviors.
Ironically, by treating dangerous criminals as though they were sick, members of forensic psychiatry treat law abiding citizens as though they were dangerous criminals by calling them sick–and encourage our communities to do likewise.
Don’t we deserve to be judged on the content of our character rather than because we once scored 6 out of 9 random emotional/cognitive traits on an arbitrary chart decades ago?
Even those of us who choose to remain consumers are greatly upset at how those like Tim Murphy, Fuller Torrey and others scapegoat us for all society’s evils. Even if we continue taking our drugs our neighbors will view us as would-be-killers. How is such education of the public helpful to anyone but those seeking to further their careers in politics/psychiatry?
When we “deteriorate” so we can no longer maintain basic levels of self care let alone hold down a job our pro psychiatry neighbors will often blame us for “non compliance.” Or–at best cluck their tongues. Saying, “It’s just the disease.”
I did indeed go through a rough patch at 20. I could have used some real help from someone who cared. Instead I got psychiatry. 🙁
I have indeed been properly punished for my depression and anxiety. Because mainstream psychiatric treatments are punitive rather than restorative in nature.
Still alive. But it’s not a good life.
I won’t blame you for what men like Torrey and Murphy have done in “educating” the public to further their careers. That would be unjust. But it is also unjust for law abiding citizens to be blamed for the crimes of every serial killer and mass shooter who happens to be diagnosed bipolar or paranoid schizophrenic regardless of the individual’s behavior.
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Psychiatric treatments ARE injury. And nothing else. Unless you include punishment.
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Thank you Dr. Moncrieff.
I really enjoyed your book The Bitterest Pills.
I felt vindicated–though privately– on learning that I wasn’t lying or delusional when I kept telling my psychiatrist that the Haldol made my psychotic symptoms worse. In addition to the seizures. He maintained that neuroleptics “never did that” and insinuated to my poor parents–also traumatized–that I was faking the “spells” I experienced at least once a day on that horrible stuff.
🙁
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We already have psychology.
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They obviously believe their test subjects are crazy. But they want to replace “crazy” with a more medical-sounding term to prove what Real Doctors they are.
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Maybe the function of a doctor, after all, is to facilitate healing–instead of defaming, terrorizing, and neurologically mutilating the “patient.”
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Hear hear.
How many are organically damaged and psychologically traumatized by shrinks? I’m struggling with TBI and ME inflicted on me by lying “mental health.” I am also grieving the life I will never have, isolation and poverty. I owe it all to the Mental Illness System.
I don’t want an institution. Those places scare me more than death itself.
A living Hell with doctors striving to abandon their humanity and take on the role of devils. May God have mercy on their own psyches.
Ariel Castro’s victims had a lot of problems. But no one suggested giving Castro permanent guardianship of them!
Why are articles at MIA arguing that our abusers have our best interests at heart and will take good care of us?
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Even during my taper I had fewer emotional problems.
Suffering a lot of physical pain now. But no longer suicidal. No meltdowns.
No therapist or groups. All they ever did was remind me how hopeless I was anyhow.
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Gas ovens would be a cheaper and more humane way of killing us. But less profitable.
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It is pretty scary. The ONLY reason shrinks aren’t arguing for the humane practice of putting us to sleep–our alleged agsognosia means they can assume we want whatever they want–is that they can’t prescribe drugs to a corpse.
The real reason shrinks are praising asylums now? They know more people with soft diagnoses will be going off their drugs or dying. Fewer will replace them. Asylum franchises can rake in way more profits than letting them live in less restrictive environments. Though the latter costs the public less.
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Dr. Moncrieff things are worse today–in a number of ways.
There are a number of problems with locking up people who have committed no crimes. Few of the people locked up were violent and failure to separate them from the harmless reminds me of the prison system William Wiberforce decried.
Not all were inhumane. But those that were seldom were held accountable.
Recovery from bizarre mental states was acknowledged to exist. Now it is not. This is used as an excuse for endless druggings–and proof of how necessary the pharma-psychiatrist is.
Nowadays we have the asylum without walls. This sounds better. But because they are able to “incarcerate” much greater numbers in the system and fewer are able to leave (numbers not percentages) there is a lot more suffering.
Psychiatry causes segregation as well as disability. While HIPAA may keep them from blabbing your label to the community, they will tell your loved ones. You need a go between. Sadly you are excluded a lot. And when included they talk over you. My mental illness team–as I call them–kept telling my parents how hopeless I was.
How I could never function normally and would be sure to be naughty and must be forced to take my “meds” regardless of how I complained. And if I didn’t recover they could be sure it was only because I was spitting them out on the sly.
I completed a four year degree in just eight years. I’m surprised I could do it at all. When I complained how I couldn’t concentrate they would tell me: A. It’s just your illness. Not the medicine! B. Sometimes the meds do that. It stinks but it’s necessary since horrible things will happen if you don’t take it religiously.
I took my drugs religiously for 24 years. Nobody believed I was taking them–except my family and a few others. Why? Because I deteriorated and wanted to kill myself.
My mental illness team kept promising me bad stuff would happen if I went off my “meds.” And occasionally mentioned good things might happen if I were really, really good. Showing insight and unquestioning compliance. A whole lot of stick with just a bit of carrot. Best way to keep us dumb beasts under control. 😛
When I told them how the “antipsychotics” caused disjointed thinking and psychotic symptoms and the “antidepressants” made me miserable and anhedonic–they told me that was proof of my illness. I was too crazy to know how they were helping me.
Which begs the question–if these drugs make crazy people sane why do these now sane people go off of them? Shouldn’t having these miraculous sanity inducers prevent noncompliance? Going nuts is no fun I can tell you. My true insanity was all drug induced. And the gaslighting my mental illness team dished out did not help.
It should be called the Mental Illness System. They don’t want you to recover. If you’re sane going in it won’t last long.
My parents–unlike many–stuck with me through my unlovable craziness. Despite the mental illness team’s efforts to cut me off from family and friends. I have had a couple good “normal” friends who stuck with me too. Thank God for their unconditional love. 🙂
They believed when I said I took my “meds” and were as upset as I was when I got worse “despite” Psych Magic. The whole thing was very frustrating for all of us.
I’m sorry for the suffering I caused them now. I never wanted to be a drug addict.
Very angry at being lied to and about! Struggling to forgive those who damaged me and really altered my life. (Some might say ruined but I refuse to think that way.)
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“Delusions” are what William Glasser referred to as “creative symptoming.”
They’re acts of creativity. Which is why art therapy can sometimes be helpful.
Find other ways to express creativity and you won’t need “hallucinations” and “delusions” anymore.
Or help someone figure out how the “delusion” is helping him or her. Szasz referred to erroneous, odd beliefs–Bertrand Russell’s man who thinks he’s a poached egg and wants toast to sit on–as lies people believe.
The truth is far more complicated than psychiatry would have us believe. And far more interesting. 🙂
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I met a man my dad was trying to help when I was fourteen. He had ambition based delusions.
“Willie” would go through periods of believing he was the Chosen One called to save the world be becoming President in 1988. Alternating with periods of intense despair and suicidal depression.
We thought the drugs helped him because he became subdued and less annoying after every hospitalization for a month or two. But he still got depressed since he was lonely and his life stunk.
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Grosse Luge.
Tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it….
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The problem with commenting on this is where to start?
“Evidence based medicine.” How about any proof that the drugs work at all?
By “work” I mean helping at thinking clearly, living independently, getting along with others, not dying prematurely or going through cognitive decline or suddenly becoming morbidly obese. No one in the mental illness system leads a high quality or longer life that I can tell.
Yet numerous doctors claim that there’s no disputing what they see every day. THE MEDICATIONS WORK!!!
How do they know this? Don’t they see the damage these drugs do to people long term? They must know these are slowly killing people.
I have had NP’s who honestly seem to care diagnose me with mysterious ailments. Pernicious anemia, severe vitamin deficiencies, microscopic colitis, heart arrythmia, fatty liver, uncontrollable recurring yeast infections. But when I ask what’s behind them they grow silent and look weird. Yeah…they know.
Funny how no doctor gets freaked out because I’m losing weight and my heart is normal again. These should be perceived as sure signs of “non compliance.” So there must be some ignorance involved too.
Mom blabbed to her FNP that her daughter didn’t believe in “antidepressants” and had gone off of them. The nurse expressed horror and assured Mom that I would be sure to have a manic episode. With a straight face.
Lucky for me Mom laughed at her. She’s been living with me and notices my moods are stable without drugs. 🙂
And I thought SSRI’s were supposed to fix depression. Not mania. Neuroleptics are supposed to do that. Doctors need to work more closely with the Big Pharma propagandists to fill up the plot holes in their epic fantasy known as Mental Health.
Yes. We should leave our echo chamber. But my stomach is already upset. Thanks to decades on SSRI’s that “work” at messing up my digestion.
It’s pointless to argue with people that are living in a fairy tale. The medical student with “mental issues” may wonder why her magical meds aren’t working when she turns thirty-five and can no longer hold down a job because of cognitive decline and failing bodily systems. And everyone tells her how great her quality of life is–evidence to the contrary.
Funny how extremely hostile “grateful consumers” can get at having the truth pointed out. I felt relief. Then anger at the people who had gaslighted and slandered me for twenty-five years. Not people who told me the (unpleasant) truth. I never was proud or happy of being “mentally ill” though. Some wear it like a badge of honor for reasons I can’t fathom.
They’re invested in the System and make lots of money off it. So of course they want to preserve the status quo.
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Now they have the HUD ghetto and homeless centers and the streets.
I believe there is a link between psychiatry and homelessness. Long term use of mind altering, addictive drugs can really destroy your ability to hold down a job.
And I have known a number of ideal “consumers” who wandered the streets due to shortage of HUD housing. Driving people crazy with SSRI’s and benzos who were only mildly depressed before getting “helped” and making short term problems life long drove up the numbers.
I also met people who wanted homes and perhaps needed them because their brains and CNS were too messed up for independent living. 🙁
Lobotomies are about keeping people childish and docile. Not independent! This includes the chemical kind.
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Well said!
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Nothing but Angels of Death in the medical field now. Why should we trust any of them?
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Just another effort to lend pseudo credibility to everybody’s favorite pseudo science.
Why do shrinks even bother? Not like they’ll ever be held accountable by anyone anyhow. Certainly not by their partners in crime. AKA other doctors.
The fault is not with western medicine but the crooks in charge.
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I heartily agree with you here RR.
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Yes. The very act of aggressively pursuing large numbers of POC to force treatments upon could be viewed as racist. Check Breggin’s YouTube videos on The Violence Initiative.
Psychiatry already displays its inherent bias against the disabled in the way it targets them. Especially those who already have cognitive problems.
The Mental Center I once attended “served” people with Down Syndrome, Spina Biffada, and TBI. How? With lessons on life skills and lots of drugs to render them almost impossible to learn.
Google Karl Binding. A head honcho in German psychiatry who gave Hitler a lot of his ideas. He wrote propaganda such as Lebensunwertes Leben.
Psychiatry is inextricably bound to social darwinism and eugenics. Racism must be covert but they still justify mutilating, imprisoning and imposing often fatal treatments on the disabled who–according to their judgment–do not have lives worth living.
The only real reason shrinks don’t advocate for euthenasia now (I suspect) is keeping people alive to drug indefinitely is how they make money. Fuller Torrey probably knows that the jig is up. So like others he has determined to cash in on opening a chain of asylums since it’s growing impossible to claim that these wonder drugs they push help with quality of life or independence.
If the APA starts promoting euthanasia at the same time a mysterious new soap or protein supplement shows up on the market we’ll know why.
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BTW, people die of metabolic disorders and other problems in mental wards all the time. A faulty assumption that she would be alive if she had gone to one instead of an honestly named jail.
Julie hated and feared psych wards and every profession linked to “mental health” after almost dying on a ward because they restricted her to one liter of water a day. The argument being dangers of water intoxication.
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Metabolic disorder. Sounds like the one Julie suffered from. Iatrogenic of course.
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Yep. It doesn’t help that the psych treatments cause so many additional health problems either.
Even militant psychiatry apologist “Natasha Tracie” at Bipolar Burble has complained of how doctors dismiss her real health problems after learning of her “bipolar” label.
My guess is most doctors simply don’t care if those psychiatry has written off as “defective” die. Our culture has less mercy on the disabled (especially mentally) than convicted felons considered sane.
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Psychiatry is the shadow government. Only instead of lurking quietly in the shadows it disguises itself as medicine.
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“I am not sure what would make a journalist NOT want to expose the human rights issues.”
Employment. Whether a reporter for a magazine or website or a TV newscaster they work for whoever sponsors the publication or show.
(I bet Bob Whitaker could share some tales of lost job opportunities despite the success of Mad in America and Anatomy of an Epidemic. Glad he won the Man Booker Award.)
Banning Big Pharma ads would help immensely. Most news is all a bunch of commercialized propaganda. Used to sell drugs and psych ideology. No concern for truth at all!
I’m trying to contact private YouTube journalists who are open minded enough to look up out of The Box. They don’t get funded by Big Pharma companies either because of how small they are despite their big followings.
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The food was fine. Our chefs can do no wrong. You only got food poisoning because of your defective digestive system.
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Funny how no one talks about “sadness shaming.” Why do we need to go around grinning like the Cheshire Cat all the time for crying out loud?
And the “depression is a disease” is no help. It’s just a ploy to obligate you to take the “meds” and pretend they make you happy even when they make smiling nonstop more difficult than ever and you feel too numb to enjoy anything. And the original problem making you depressed is as bad or worse than ever.
People will quit yelling at you for being unhappy if you tell them you’re taking psychiatric drugs. That’s the only benefit I experienced long term.
One of the early Simpsons episodes showed Lisa going through the blues. In the end she pulls out of her funk when her mother, Marge, tells her the family will be there for her no matter how she feels and she doesn’t have to fake a smile anymore. Lisa smiles and tells her mom that this time it’s real.
Maybe once we quit treating the blues like leprosy fewer people will be depressed?
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I take Colestipol from time to time. Sometimes it’s the only thing that works.
Probiotics don’t cut the mustard all the time. My digestion is SO MESSED UP.
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Bread has been around for centuries. Only the rich ate meat every day.
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Not defending or praising Trump but pointing out the toadying hypocrisy and double dealing intrinsic to psychiatry. A political branch rather than a medical one.
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Funny how these very shrinks who condemn Donald Trump and want to “diagnose” him are more than happy to curry favor and kiss up to him when it serves their purposes. Such as siphoning more tax dollars to open new AOT programs to indirectly sell more drugs and psycho surgeries or open a franchise of lunatic asylums.
Dr. Drew, Dr. Torrey, etc. What a bunch of back-stabbing phonies! As all of us who have had dealings with this profession know.
Biederman went on the air saying it was an insult to “bipolars” to call Donald Trump one. Before you applaud him too hard remember he called Trump worse than Hitler too.
So definitely not a complement to anyone he labels. More like a back handed insult. I guess Biederman gave up hope of cashing in on the mass shootings like others have done.
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Amen!
The “medicine” drives sane people nuts and ensures people going through a rough patch never come out of it.
It makes me so angry how they lie to well meaning family and neighbors to cripple people and turn functional people into hopeless lunatics/village idiots. That’s what psychiatric “treatments” do after all.
I remember Mom and Dad crying and getting upset at how my “treatments” weren’t helping me as I took them religiously. They had no positive effects except when I took 10 mg of Haldol and could no longer voice my misery though I seized every day.
When I say the treatments don’t “work” I mean as the shrinks promised. Helping us to lead meaningful, productive lives and get along with others.
They don’t work for any of the above. Nor do they prevent crime nor suicide.
The only way psychiatric treatments successfully work is at making shrinks and pharmaceutical makers filthy rich and providing the former a professional status no legitimate doctors enjoy–along with unquestioned legal powers.
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So Dr. Hickling is worried. HE knows what’s best for those “psychotic” Jamaicans who don’t know any better and are afraid to come to people like him for help because they associate his institution with the master/slave relationship.
How is Dr. Hickling any different? There’s the real question.
“Those ignorant, potentially dangerous, mentally incompetent defectives need a White Knight to take care of them.” That sums up all Western “mental health” in a nutshell.
The symbols for psychiatry since the Industrial era have been whips and chains. Traditional treatments of all written off as hopelessly mad. A casual perusal of Victorian Gothic literature will furnish plenty of references.
Then shrinks realized scars from lashings and and chain cuffs made their profession look brutal. So they figured out new ways to torture and harm without leaving any visible marks.
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Were the people medicated?
That might account for struggling with such dense, sustained prose.
I got a BA on a cocktail. Like running laps with a ball and chain.
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Psychiatry’s “diagnoses” are moral accusations. Its punitive treatments are torture.
Once you realize your accuser/torturer for what he is you don’t need his validation.
Who needs moral validation from Josef Mengele?
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Lesson number 1. Never share any emotions with a shrink you have to see. They don’t understand human feelings, thoughts, or behaviors.
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Good points Sam.
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Psychiatry causes alienation, rejection, loneliness.
Like any other cult they cut you off from friends ASAP.
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And carve up your face into a grotesque parody to prove they’re correct in this analysis.
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In America thanks to HIPPA red tape, you can simply relocate and not inform your new doctor about your all “diagnoses.” Changing states is best, thanks to different health systems–but just changing hospital systems will do. For example, seeing a doctor in a nearby county or city.
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No, they don’t.
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The “deep pit”? Do you mean being found out eventually?
Their big mistake was targeting too many people. If they had been content with just a modest number of “lunatics” in their asylums without walls they would have gotten away with it indefinitely.
But by drugging over 20% of the population for decades, it’s impossible to ignore the long term results of the pills they hand out like office mints. Ruining the lives of 2-5% of the populace wasn’t good enough for them.
Now the cat is clawing it’s way out of the bag.
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This kind of thing happens a lot in idealistic organizations as well as businesses.
And there’s always the concern. “If I air our dirty laundry it will make our group and all we stand for look bad.”
Sadly the truth will come out sooner or later. And the longer you pile up the dirty laundry and let it mildew the bigger the mess will be.
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How is labeling moody teenagers “Bipolar” going to help them become emotionally stable adults?
How is labeling a woman who has made poor relationship choices “Borderline Personality Disorder” supposed to help her make better decisions in the future?
Don’t psychiatrists realize people can change, grow and improve?
Unless you get “helped” by them so your brain quits forming normal synapses and everyone in your community shuns you thanks to the self-fulfilling prophecies these psychics/pseudo-scientists make all the time.
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Instead of “mad” or “crazy” Bruce might say “outside the mainstream” or “unusually passionate.” Or “very zealous.”
Kind of like Szasz’s explanation of the link between “genius” and “madness.” Both are unusual and extreme ways of thinking and behavior.
St. Francis of Assisi was different. So is your eccentric aunt who plays the mandolin for a living. So was Ted Bundy. So was John Dewey, Albert Einstein, Robert Fulton, Mother Theresa, Henry David Thoreau, Jeffrey Dahmer, Joan of Arc, Emily Dickinson, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, a bunch of serial killers I don’t like reading about, you get the picture…
Different is not a disease.
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Funny how so many psychiatrists have it in for their own family members.
It’s like they hate a certain parent or sibling so much that simply having that person “put away” to rot and die prematurely isn’t good enough. They have to hunt down others with similar characteristics to “help.”
Denial of their hatred and harm done to the “loved one” mixed with a subconscious desire for revenge perhaps. Eccentric family members can be embarrassing.
Of course some socially awkward people strive to look “normal” to please others and it results in break downs–which only make them weirder than ever. Bringing MORE embarrassment to the image conscious family. Hopeless cycle. And the designated freak bears the brunt of it.
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We also need an escape system set up to save those whose well being and lives are threatened by those claiming to “save them from themselves.”
Dismantling a big system takes time. Saving one human life at a time is much easier.
Harriet Tubman didn’t sit around waiting for the Civil War to be won.
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My heart goes out to you, Robert Nikkel.
You mean well and want to help people. But you are working with a morally and cognitively bankrupt system–corrupt at its core. (Not all individuals within it are that way. Including psychiatrists. The system itself is based on a lie.)
Knowing what you know must make it that much more frustrating. Corinna West has expressed similar frustrations trying to work with groups like NAMI.
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I got a “real diagnosis” from a case manager with a BS in physical education. Stuff that’s not ‘sposed to happen is par for the course in “mental health.”
It’s a Kafkaesque bureaucracy based an a network of incongruous lies. So of course nothing in the Mental System makes sense.
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Why do psychiatrists buy malpractice insurance? For the same reason.
Because going to medical school and buying insurance for malpractice are what honest-to-gosh doctors do.
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Ms. Davis is innocent and means well.
This piece reads like it belongs in another publication. But this is not meant to be an anti-psychiatry site after all.
I wouldn’t call this piece “critical” either. But helping people in poverty is a good thing. I agree with that.
I just don’t like how psychiatry does it. Way worse than ineffective. And kindly people (psychologists, therapists, peer support workers, case managers) who team up with psychiatrists burn out quickly if they are trying to make a difference.
It’s like trying to bale out a leaky boat while the quacks keep drilling more holes in the bottom. The epitome of futility.
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I have nothing against Ms. Davis personally.
Most of us here only want one thing from “mental health.” To be left alone!
Their “services” lower self image, teach helplessness, prevent gainful employment and isolate from the community. Their treatments cause physical and mental disabilities.
It makes sense that the Mental Illness System is targeting POC. (Watch Breggin’s videos on the Violence Initiative.) Many minority communities are distrustful of Mental Centers.
An African American friend of mine commented on how many white women she works with pop psych pills all the time, talking about their “bipolar” and “chronic depression.” It looks like so many have these labels they can actually find work now–as long as their CNS and brains hold out.
“Mental health” creates poverty. Lots of us grew up middle or upper middle class and are forced to subsist on $775 a month thanks to psychiatry’s “help.”
Almost three years off my drugs and finally found a job. For the first time as an adult. (I went on psych drugs at 18. “Therapeutic” amounts at 20 after getting labeled.)
Can’t wait to go off my “benefits.” I HATED going on them. Never wanted to be a bum.
Psychiatry forced me to. They lied to me–saying my only hope for gainful employment was unquestioning obedience/”med” compliance. Basically shrinks forced me to violate my conscience by tricking me into going on mind altering drugs (against my principles) and mooch off the public.
I kept asking, “Hey, if these treatments ‘work’ how come we can’t get jobs and act like freaking grown ups?” These questions would throw the idiots leading day treatment sessions into fits of rage. (Not all case workers acted that way. The idiots were those who threw tantrums at my innocent questions.)
But “work” doesn’t mean independence, health, or productivity to shrinks. It’s all about docility and childish dependence.
The welfare workers make you feel like a piece of trash at those bureaucratic offices. Far more dehumanizing and humiliating than hand outs from locally run charities.
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How many cases of “bipolar” came from a reaction to an SSRI?
I really am curious.
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*Hopelessly INSANE. Typo there.
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A loose summary of Kendler’s article.
People are beginning to wise up and we don’t have any scientific proof yet. (And whatever we may dig up may not exonerate us.)
We can’t be held responsible for our behaviors over the years due to how excited we were—at earning $800 an hour instead of a measly $200 and gaining the status of honest-to-gosh real doctors.
So hurry up. We need a coherent narrative. It doesn’t help that all our stories published on various sites and online magazines (which the public can access) contradict each other. Doesn’t look like Real Science at all!
Let’s synchronize our lies.
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Been called worse things than “deluded” by shrinks after the SSRI I took exactly as prescribed kept me awake for 21 days straight and sent me into a full blown psychotic mania. Can’t have pill shaming. Better gaslight the patient instead.
I started out with depression and anxiety. Wound up labeled Bipolar 2 and on a cocktail. Off the cocktail and finally stabilized after 20 years though my body is a wreck. Lost a huge chunk of my life and forced to start over with broken health, no work history, no savings and no friends at 46. Will never have a family and live in fear someone will discover my dirty secret (of being harmed) and believe my abusers. Not me.
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Plagued by flashbacks. It started shortly after completing my taper. Gotten worse over the two years following.
Not sure what my problem is. Too much free time alone to brood and ruminate probably.
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They’re not looking rational nor humane.
A lot of psychiatric sites and mags complain about how media depicts them.
They also worry about “stigma” of their patients–because the shame associated with being treated is bad for business. And those inconsiderate patients keep dying in their fifties. Tsk tsk.
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Do you mean greater hearing sensitivity?
I never heard that theory. They also can lead to tardive psychosis according to Joanna Moncrieff.
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My question is what if (hypothetically) psychiatrists were to discover a physical cause for the emotional/cognitive problems associated with “bipolar” or “schizophrenia”? What are the odds that their hit and miss (miss and miss?) treatment with mind altering drugs would be a good thing? Isn’t it more than likely that it would be proven they were doing something to exacerbate the real problem? In addition to creating a slew of new ones. (Like Diabetes 2. I was one of only 3 out of the 15 members of my day treatment group without diabetes. One of a minority with all my chompers too. We were all morbidly obese except for one member I knew was “non-compliant” but refused to snitch on.)
The way psychiatrists go about their model is like a surgeon assuming there is something wrong because your stomach hurts. With no scans or other tests, he does intensive surgery removing random bits of your digestive system–a bit of a colon here, your small intestine there, a fourth of your stomach, and maybe sever some muscles in the lower part of your esophagus just to be sure…what are the odds of this actually helping the patient?
I’m very angry at being lied to. They kept telling me they were fixing a complaint SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN TO RESIDE IN MY BRAIN.
I did not fare well on the drugs either.
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Being told you are hopelessly sane is far from comforting!
It made me frightened–and then despondent.
Now I’m angry at the hoax pulled on me.
I’d chalk it up to cluelessness on psychiatrists’ part but they are good at figuring people out in order to manipulate them into doing what will benefit their careers. Survivors as well as the non-consuming masses.
Kind of like my ex. He was a little awkward so I thought maybe he didn’t mean to insult me. Then he started emotionally abusing me.
Can’t blame it all on ignorance.
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My guess is psycho-social explanations for weird behaviors associated with “mental illness” lead to less discrimination because they humanize the other.
From what one sees on the media the “mentally ill” have no feelings or motivations. Aside from the “mental illness” itself.
A headline I read after the mass shooting in Los Vegas. “We Discovered the Motivation for the Mass Shooter: He was Mentally Ill.” 😛
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I still can’t work very easily. Trying for a full time job in customer service because sharing a single wide with my mother is more stressful/depressing than trying to work forty hour weeks. If I do little but sleep and eat and work I can make it work. Maybe.
Even though I’m still pretty sickly after 30 months off the drugs (the chronic illness started at least six years ago while I was fully compliant though I hurt more now) I’m glad I went off. I did stuff on the drugs I wasn’t proud of. I feel ashamed and apologetic but angry too. They kept telling me the “meds” made me a better more moral person and without them I’d turn into an evil monster. Involuntary intoxication. Some believed the nonsense they told me. But many of the doctors did not. I have no respect for those professionals.
I strongly regret seeing a shrink. I wanted to do the right thing. By taking my “meds” religiously for 22 years I thought I wouldn’t burden my family or friends. It was supposed to be the mature and responsible thing to do.
Instead I’m forced to rely on my aging parents at 46 since I can’t hold down a job now. Never have known gainful employment as an adult though I worked full time at 17 before I left for college a year early.
My life was ruined at 20 when I took Anafranil for intrusive thoughts and couldn’t sleep for three weeks. I keep having flashbacks and ruminating. The years 1993-2017 are just an ugly blur. I don’t know who I am anymore or what I’ve done. The only good thing is I was too numb to appreciate the horrors of what I was put through because I trusted a member of a respected medical profession. I still relive the horror of having my nearest and dearest turn on me because my psychiatrist told them I was hopelessly crazy. And I acted crazy because the drugs messed up my thoughts and I believed he was right. I couldn’t stop thinking of ways to kill myself and make the world a better place so my family could be free and remember who I was before I turned into a psycho freak. 🙁
I would have done better getting help from Walter White instead. His “medicine” is just as safe and effective and he never labels his clients. And their teeth stay in better shape too. Lol. (But seriously if you ever visit a mental center look at how many people are toothless in their early thirties. Shrinks love to blame this on how lazy they are, along with morbid obesity and poor hygiene–dehumanizing “consumers” makes the Experts look good.)
Dr. M tricked me into taking a bunch of mind altering drugs by calling them medicine like insulin. And he scared me by driving me insane with Anafranil first and attributing the hallucinations to my broken brain. Though I never had such visions before or since. Gaslighting is a shrink’s best friend. Almost as good as stigma.
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It may have been a temporary thing. Sometimes it is.
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I won’t deny the role the drugs play. But the “diagnosis” itself can be alienating.
What do all shooters have in common? Isolated loners.
How do the shrinks plan on preventing people from becoming shooters?
1. Drug away their impulse control and empathy.
2. Label these people in order to alienate their family and any friends they may have.
Shut off empathy and isolate them. Couldn’t do a better job creating mass shooters if they were making a conscious effort.
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People talk about “pill shaming” which is actually shaming those who take or prescribe psych drugs. (I try to avoid the former since it’s victim blaming.)
What they don’t acknowledge is reality shaming. How they heap scorn on the heads of those who honestly say, “My life is not better. My pills do not help me think clearly or get along with others. Taking them has not made me a kinder more responsible person. After going on them I can no longer function independently.” Even though it’s the truth.
I often hated myself because “In spite of” all these wonderfully “safe and effective treatments” I was not getting better. Must be my fault right? That–plus the numbness–led to my obsession with suicide.
It was a relief when I read William Glasser’s Warning: Psychiatry can Be Hazardous to Your Mental Health. Up till then I felt guilty that my drugs weren’t “working.”
By working I meant as promised to me. Greater independence and better relationships and employment. Not passivity and childish dependence which is what they’re really meant for.
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Joanna we do not have the right to refuse ECT in America.
Yes, Steve, it’s weird how TV shapes our perception of reality so believe what we see on the tube more than what we see in the real world around us. I saw a crime show last year where a “schizophrenic” was accused of murdering his therapist. He was not the murderer (for a change) but could only speak “word salad” when asked who he had seen murder her.
He agreed to be injected with “medicine.” Within five seconds he sat up and began to speak coherently. I sat and thought “I have never experienced enhanced clarity or cognitive ability. Nor have I witnessed it in anyone else.”
It’s scary how gullible we have become. They put anything on TV and people believe it. Even if they know it’s fiction.
Mom has seen me recover without “meds.” She knows my allegedly “schizophrenic” great aunt did fairly well without any “meds.” I blame her reclusive life on ECT and the trauma and shame of being locked up and labeled.
Yet Mom firmly believes these “meds” are helpful. She feels low spirited or blah and goes to the doctor complaining of unhappiness. (A bad idea. Never complain of emotional pain to any GP you have to see. Unless it’s physical pain from a real disease your doctor is not equipped to deal with it anyhow.)
Mom is sickly and worn out from over a decade on multiple SSRI drugs. She is at loose ends because it’s hard facing retirement and she has nothing to do. She just sits in a chair watching TV. She complains of boredom and unhappiness and gets more “medicine” instead of asking “What can I change to feel better?”
But the TV tells her drugs are all she needs to feel happy again. I expressed concern telling her she may have early Alzheimers or other dementia. Mom agreed. She expressed concern before we moved.
I told her there were steps she could take to reverse it at this stage. Physical exercise–she’s too drugged and apathetic to do much. Learn a new language or how to play a musical instrument. Read books. (She never reads now.) She shrugged and said, “They have medicine to fix Alzheimers now. I saw it on a commercial,” sighed and went back to staring at the tube.
BTW, I notice how people who work in “mental health” pushed TV on us almost as much as “medicine.”
I hope I can get my own place soon. It’s depressing watching Mom make self destructive choices and be powerless to stop.
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Edward Bernays. Nephew of Sigmund Freud. First generation American.
It’s mostly because of his slick techniques promoting cigarettes as slimming and soothing to the throat, that smoking became popular among women in the thirties. He also spread the notion that drinking out of anything but disposable Dixie cups was unsanitary.
Joseph Goebbels studied Bernays’s techniques and used them to help Hitler rise to power. This cannot be blamed on Bernays. But what he promoted wasn’t benign either.
And consciously manipulating people–often with lies–is wrong. Even if you try to use it for good. Like the Ring of Power Tolkien wrote about.
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Precisely Sam.
The very term “humanizing mental healthcare” shows that mental “health” is dehumanizing to begin with.
America finally has a state church just like Sweden, England and others. The Church of Psychiatry.
Join their membership and you’ll never be able to leave.
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Blaming the “severely mentally ill” and promising to punish (aka treat) an entire group for the crimes of a tiny minority doesn’t make anyone safer. But it provides the illusion of safety, making the public feel more secure. Just like many taking SSRI drugs have the illusion of feeling better.
Placebo effect. It’s not just a pill.
Masters of illusion.
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Never forget that the father of psychiatry’s nephew was the father of propaganda.
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Sounds like a (thinly) veiled threat.
People like us–who recover after leaving–embarrass psychiatrists. We’re a much bigger threat to their institution than the Scientologists. 🙂
Most of these guys aren’t sadists. By and large shrinks are tickled pink with a modest degree of recovery. Too modest for most people’s taste.
Then they can parade you around at various groups and conventions as a success story. As long as you give all the glory and honor to them and praise their treatments.
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In the story of David and Goliath, the young lad turns down King Saul’s offer of full body armor before taking on this seasoned warrior who’s at least 9’6″ while David was probably under five feet. (Typical height back then.)
David knew he was already facing impossible odds so he went out with only the rocks and the sling he used for killing wolves and bears while looking after the sheep on his own.
We can’t beat them with massive campaigns or television/magazine ads or support from the cowardly or corrupt AMA. Our only hope is the unconventional.
As Gandalf said to Borimir in The Lord of the Rings, “Our only hope lies in foolishness.”
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There is indeed more evidence for ME than any of the “mental illnesses” Shorter accepts as gospel. Yet he mocks the one and promotes the other.
Highly inconsistent. But this is psychiatry after all.
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The book actually received a negative review from the NYT in 1991. Pretty ironic.
The reviewer complains that the last third of the book veers off into a diatribe against diseases that Shorter claims are purely imaginary. Such as allegies, temporomandibular joint disease, yeast infections…I kid you not.
Shorter reluctantly admits the first two exist but maintains they are most cases are cooked up by coffee sipping housewives with too much time on their hands. Serves ’em right for not vacuuming enough.
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A way for people who are being tortured to escape is also needed.
Kind of like how they helped smuggle out the aristocrats in 17th century France. Or the antebellum underground railroad.
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If we could do these three things I would be ecstatically happy.
1. Ban cronyism. This would solve so many problems besides the psychiatric one.
2. Ban involuntary treatment. I call it treatment because torture is a form of “punitive treatment.”
3. Make it illegal to advertise psychiatric drugs on TV.
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I meant never to see a shrink. But maybe using the word “doctor” through you off. 😀
Our only course of action is the one taken for dealing with corrupt judges. Make the public hate them. Troll psychiatric sites and you’ll find this is the stuff that composes their worst nightmares.
I’m starting a satire site dedicated to revealing the ugly side of psychiatry. It will be labeled satire, but will contain links to real psychiatric articles I will draw on for inspiration.
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Be sure to mention Shorter’s book A History of the Bodies of Women and his lecture to a group of people suffering from ME where he told them it was only hypochondria and compared them to swooning Victorian ingenues. Sounds like someone is still living in the 19th century and it isn’t the patients!
Edward Shorter denies that ME and most other autoimmune diseases exist. He claims these are all fashionable maladies dreamed up by hysterical females whilst they sip tea during afternoon calls.
And then pull out the smelling salts. Before collapsing on the fainting couch. 😀
Maybe he thinks blood letting and cauterization are underrated modalities of treatment that should be brought back. Lol.
At least Shorter has moved beyond the Four Humors.
By the way, don’t quote me. I’m indulging a satirical impulse. But mocking this guy is not hard to do.
Google “An Open Letter to Dr. Koroshetz occupy me” for details.
He denies ME because “it lacks scientific evidence” but promotes the concept of “mental illness” despite the lack of biomarkers not created by psychiatrists themselves.
My guess is Shorter loves to hand out Zoloft or Xanax as quickly as possible instead of searching for actual maladies.
And his attitude shows how inconsistent the concept of “mental illness” is. If it’s a real brain disease why don’t they treat it as such? Even Shorter views it as different from a physical disease. And yet they tout the notion that it’s a physical illness in the brain just like any other. The way they treat people they claim “suffer” from the alleged brain disease aren’t treated like real patients at all. Last time I checked the brain was a physical organ. Not a mental one.
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Without all the “Loris” running around psychiatry would have died long ago.
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Well at least he isn’t promoting a new school of psychiatry OH. 🙂
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Also nervous puppies. Lol.
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Check out marci.mindpuck.cc
It shows up on Google.
A lawyer is interested. Please pass around this info to veterans, civil rights, and mental health groups.
Share it on libertarian and humanitarian groups. It isn’t just about Marci. This is about everyone’s right to due process and protection of life, liberty and freedom from torture.
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Just kidding. Sort of.
Someone needs to write an article or two about stuff this guy has written and said in the past.
A friend of mine–an older woman named June–had severe stomach pains a while back. So bad she couldn’t eat. Her energy went down and she couldn’t get out of bed–for obvious reasons.
Her family doctor told her she didn’t have stomach issues. (I don’t know what tests he ran. I assume at least one or two.) He said she had a chemical imbalance in her brain making her think her stomach was bad when it was fine. He urged her to take SSRIs to fix the alleged disorder.
June asked if she was crazy. He told her emphatically she was not but mentally ill instead. Which is really only the polite, medical-sounding term for crazy.
June is still alive. I guess the placebo effect gave her the gumption to ignore the pain and eat anyhow. Her digestion is still very bad. And tinkering with serotonin levels is bad for the GI even if your gut is sound to begin with.
“But I know Dr. X. He’s a good, kind man and would never lie to me.”
I don’t know about that. But he probably is ignorant about psychiatry like most real doctors are now. A lot actually believe in the chemical imbalance.
A doctor I saw a while back said I was ridiculous to want my Bipolar 2 diagnosis reevaluated. He gave me the old “But you wouldn’t have had a psychotic episode if you weren’t mentally ill to begin with” crap. Told me I needed all of my cocktail or vague horrible things would happen to me. Unbeknownst to him I had tapered off everything but my Effexor and should have been full blown manic. Nope. 😀
He also claimed that nobody discriminated against others for having a diagnosis of bipolar or schizophrenia. He urged me to lose as much weight as possible. Told a woman in her mid-forties who had been at least slightly overweight all her life to lose 230 pounds in as little time as possible. He said I needed to weigh 120 pounds with no regard for bone structure.
When I lost “only” ten pounds in two months he urged me to take metformin–claiming it would suppress my appetite. Told me to go on a carb free diet with lots of protein and animal fat and nothing but vegetables and fruit. Didn’t know fruits have carbohydrates it seems.
I found this character’s medical know-how pretty underwhelming to put it mildly. It’s because of doctors like him that psychiatry continues to flourish I guess. None of them bother reading articles in journals to keep abreast with things, but trust the experts and prescribe whatever that cute pharma rep recommends.
Like metformin! 😛
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The lazy way. I googled Edward Shorter gynecology book.
Do you want to do a book review? 🙂
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Shorter ticked off a lot of people by speaking at a convention for those suffering from ME or myalgic encephalomyalitis at the National Institute of Health in the University of Toronto.
He ridiculed people suffering from chronic illness, comparing them to Victorian women luxuriating on beds of pillows simply to be fashionable. Real piece of work.
Yet Shorter supports psychiatry despite lack of evidence that those brain diseases called “mental” actually exist or that the pills he promotes save lives. His mockery of ME sufferers probably comes from the link between autoimmune conditions and psychiatric treatments.
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Most people arguing that “mental illness” kills are actually talking about suicide.
Guess what? People in “treatment” kill themselves all the time.
But if they commit suicide off the drugs everyone blames their non-compliance. If they commit suicide on the drugs everyone ignores the fact. Or hems and haws claiming it’s “in spite of the finest medical care.”
I don’t despise Rick Warren the way Pacific Dawn does. But his line of reasoning is severely flawed. He and others need to have their faulty logic pointed out to them.
(Rick probably embraces the idea of depression as brain disease so he doesn’t have to worry about his son being in Hell for the sin of suicide. I can’t blame him there. He probably also feels guilty because his highly public ministry caused a lot of stress on Matt who was an introvert in a church that teaches “Jesus was an extrovert.” See Quiet by Susan Cain where she describes a visit to the Saddleback megachurch.)
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I got so fed up with being forced to undergo “mindlessness therapy.”
Yes, I know mindfulness is not supposed to be forced. But this is “mental health” we’re talking about.
The whole thing was insulting. But everything in day treatment was to some extent.
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Use the “cures” to create lifelong “patients” and also the biomarkers to prove how valid the hopeless prognosis is.
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A History of Women’s Bodies.
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Please read Shorter’s masterpiece about gynecology. He barely admitted allergies exist and goes off into a diatribe against female hypochondriacs toward the end.
My guess is he hopes this book of his will be forgotten. Several critics have accused him of misogynistic views. Many conscientious physicians are embarrassed by it.
Someone needs to drag up this forgotten masterpiece of his and ask why Shorter believes in random brain damage to cure unproven brain disorders but not allergies or yeast infections.
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Shorter started out as a gynecologist it seems and got in trouble for claiming his female patients didn’t suffer from allergies, yeast infections, or other real physical diseases. He reluctantly admitted that allergies exist but hysterical women folk seldom suffered from them and probably took to handing out “antidepressants” to everyone who came in.
You know how them women folk be. Wink wink. 😛 His career change speaks for itself.
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Google the New York Times review of Edward Shorter’s book. 1991. It makes him look like a raving misogynist.
He claims that women are hysterical hypochondriacs who imagine yeast infections, temporomandibular joint syndrome, allergies, and all other chronic illnesses. Wow, this work has not aged well.
No wonder he loves psych drugs so much. Great way to dismiss the medical needs of women who come to him for help.
Lucky for stuff shirts who hide behind stethoscopes and only get read by other academic stuff shirts this bovine excrement goes unnoticed. They get the glory of having a book published–proving professional expertise–but no popular audience reads it or holds them accountable for their views. Much stupidity that street smart folks would get but the Mutual Admiration Academia let slide. Because of intellectual “inbreeding.”
Medicine and other sciences should be studied more by the common people. We can no longer assume doctors have our best interests at heart.
Never see a doctor unless you know you can sue him for malpractice. They are that corrupt. We owe lawyers an apology.
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Is anyone on Twitter?
It’s a little late, but maybe we could give Eddie a good trolling.
His fellow physicians are embarrassed by some of what he’s written. Dig up some of his worst experiments. Post a link to those along with a quote from his article trashing Bonnie.
Point out how he probably had it in for her as a successful female academic who wrote better books than himself.
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Arsenic and cyanide are both safe and effective.
They are highly effective at poisoning my husband and perfectly safe for me when I put them in his coffee.
(Just kidding. I’m single.)
But remember this when psychiatrists talk about how safe and effective their drugs are.
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“A priori assumption of materialism bio-psychiatry is built upon.”
Basically a denial of free will. You can also see this in the unethical experiments performed by behaviorists like B.F. Skinner.
Behaviorism is psychology I realize. So no, it’s not just psychiatry at fault.
(Interesting side note. One of the characters in The Simpsons–Principal Seymour Skinner–was named after the founder of behaviorism.)
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But don’t you agree it would be great for business? Assuming someone has no conscience of course.
Trigger “schizophrenia” in trusting patients and then use said disorder to prescribe more of the drug that caused the episode indefinitely.
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I do not relish the idea of shrinks using “shrooms” on consumers. Though I doubt they will till Pfizer or Lilly puts them in pill form. This is needed to preserve the image of the shrinks as the real-honest-to-gosh-doctors they crave to be seen as.
Getting people to use hallucinagens through trickery or force would be a great way to manufacture more “schizophrenics.” AKA cash cows to milk. Or rather bleed till they expire.
“Yeah but if you weren’t ‘schizophrenic’ to begin with that LSD would never have had that effect on you.” Thus spake Dr. Quackenbush. This gives him the legal authority to force you to injest “therapeutic” or massive quantities of more LSD’s and probably “anti-depressant$,” neuroleptic$, “mood $tabilizer$,” and maybe $edative$ and other crap at hi$ di$cretion.
I do not share the author’s enthusiasm for yet another mind altering drug. Especially since “mental health” will likely foist it on the public as “life saving medicine,” “like penicillin,” “just like insulin for diabetes.” And other nonsense we already have been spoon fed by commercials/NAMI/psychiatrists. They all sound alike because they’re reading the same script.
Please don’t take my criticisms personally Shariq. I’m sure you are honest and sincere in your desire to help distressed people.
It’s others I take issue with. I don’t like liars. Or bullies.
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From ages 18 to 44 I was on at least one psychotropic drug. Like you I started out with social anxiety and got worse after getting “helped.”
Stories like ours are the norm.
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Oldhead, Sanders is definitely the least of the choice of evils though.
I would advise homeless people to do whatever it takes to leave California. There are fewer homeless people in cities where I live–which means more community resources for those we do have. More HUD housing–and cheaper regular housing. More available jobs.
And no laws–like the one recently passed in California rendering it impossible for gig workers to make a living in most cases. You can earn a living as a freelancer where I live and rent an apartment for $500 a month.
Come to Indiana where the cost of living is only about 40% of what it is out West. Where even I could find a job. Where you actually have a chance to bootstrap your way out of financial dependence on the “mental illness” system!
BTW, I agree that the only disabilities the “mentally ill” suffer from are those inflicted on them by the “doctors.”
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Puts the lie to psychiatry’s promise to cure us of all our moral failings. I bought into the bill of goods years ago. They did not make me more moral–in fact my family complained of my increased selfishness.
Psychiatrists claim their magical/scientific pills will end mass shootings, adultery, murder, theft, drunkenness, violence. How will they do this? By causing the frontal cortex and amygdala to wither away. The parts of our brains responsible for impulse control, empathy, and responsible adult behaviors.
This makes no sense at all. But–to my knowledge–no one ever asks shrinks why destroying the frontal lobes and amygdala cause improved morality.
Overriding natural brain functions does not improve cognitive function, nor does it stimulate the conscience. Mind altering drugs have been known to do the exact opposite in fact. Shrinks get around this by claiming these are not regular drugs but life-saving medications that only protect and heal and are safer than aspirin.
And if you get crazy they will blame a brain disease they can’t prove but assume must exist because #pillshaming. Or claim–as they always did for me–that you are cheeking the pills on the sly or faking the seizures and other real problems Ye Precious Pills caused.
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Ugh!
One of my best friends is deteriorating mentally, but is not getting locked up like your friend, Bradford.
She is afraid to leave the system after 30+ years. And is worse for the wear–even for a woman of 60. I’m worried she has early stage dementia.
She has big shelf-loads of books that she no longer reads. A “good cocktail” will do that to you if you give it time.
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And that woman is perfectly sane by psychiatric standards. Food for thought.
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Health Ranger.
The MI system is cancer–eating America alive.
Poetic justice. People are happy to see the “mentally ill” tormented and isolated as they die prematurely. They refused to even look at the pills causing our torments.
Now, due to denial that they were promoting the poisoning of their “MI” neighbors they’ve been deceied themselves into taking SSRI’s. Hey, it shut Johnny up. So it must be good for your brain, right?
You were happy when they came for your annoying neighbor.
You laughed as you saw him cry out in torment.
You called for them to lock him away.
Now they have come to destroy your brain.
And no one is left to help you.
Have fun, Normals.
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I’ll play devil’s advocate.
Do drugs called “antidepressants” ever make people feel good? Yes they do.
I enjoyed two SSRIs when I first went on them.
I took Anafranil back in 1993 because of intrusive thoughts brought on by anxiety. It felt good at first–but like a horror movie it soon turned scary. The buzz turned into full blown hallucinations and I didn’t sleep the whole 3 weeks I took it.
After getting put on massive amounts of neuroleptics and kicked out of college because of seizures and other stuff, I became suicidal in 1994. They put me on Zoloft. It too gave me a buzz–but mild enough I could control it.
I didn’t need a buzz, but friendships and a purpose in life.
So, if someone says, “These antidepressants make me feel great. They ended my depression,” I agree with them. They are probably right.
Any “upper” from a street dealer could have similar benefits though.
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I predict Gaga’s career will take a nosedive in a couple years. Maybe sooner. Her weight will go up markedly. Everything she experiences health wise or cognitively will be chalked up to her “illness” and used to prescribe more pills.
Eventually–like Carrie Fisher and Patty Duke–her principle gigs will come from entertaining shrinks and Big Pharma people at psychiatric conferences and “educating” the public on various PSA commercials, etc. Her only real identity will be the “Good Consumer” who talks about her disease all the time and has no real life apart from psychiatry.
I wonder how Mariah Carey’s career is going. She’s better off than Brittany because she does what they want, but a career as a public performer requires lots of energy that the pills don’t leave. Especially emotional energy.
I’m no fan of Scientology, but neither Tom Cruise nor John Travolta promotes their cult as much as the devoutly “SMI” celebrities.
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Will Gaga read it?
My problem with talking to people about my problems with psychiatry is none of them read anything. They are happy to get all their information off TV programs and commercials and brochures put out by drug companies. Not unbiased sources. “But doctors know best.”
A couple friends laughed at me when I talked about Anatomy of an Epidemic. They said RW only was interested in making money. SMH. If Bob Whitaker is reading this I bet he’s having a hearty chuckle.
Lots of people who never read books also have some idea that all authors are multi-millionaires or billionaires and J.K. Rowlings’ success is the norm. Even well-known authors have other jobs or supplement book sales with speaking/teaching/coaching/consulting/editing/etc.
If making gobs of money is your only goal and you aren’t hindered by a conscience the best route would be writing ad copy for Big Pharma. Especially ghost writing articles under the name of prominent APA members!
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“In reality it wasn’t about Bill’s quality of life at all but other people’s annoyance at him.”
That sums up what psychiatry is all about. And it didn’t even help with that in my case. The more drug addled I became the weirder I acted (low inhibitions, lower empathy, lower cognitive ability.)
From my days in the NAMI cult I collected some Lilly paraphernalia. Living in the country now. Gonna get out the big drum can and have myself a Lilly roast! 😛
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Trump honestly believes that psychiatry prevents crimes just like Obama did. Just like 95% of the population does. Excluding shrinks.
Sometimes I wonder if uber-shrinks like Pinsky/Torrey/Murphy want mass shootings so they can use them to advance their careers. So they hand out more drugs knowing they cause violent crimes and rub their hands gleefully at every shooting that occurs. “Waste no emergency.”
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In Peterson’s defense he is a user. Not a dealer.
(His field is psychology. He lectures about human behavior rather than biology. Probably ignorant what SSRI’s do like most non-scientists.)
What really riles me up are psychiatrists who pass out their drugs like office mints. And–despite complaining of suicidal depression–refuse to take any. This blatant hypocrisy sickens me. Not just hurting people through well-meaning ignorance, but callous deception. I have only contempt for such people.
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My mother and sister-in-law swear by theirs. Doctors prescribe them. Doctors never make mistakes or lie.
At least they enjoy some placebo effect.
Mom has become like a zombie after ten years on at least one SSRI. Complains of feeling “meh” and joyless.
My sister-in-law breaks down into tears she can’t control from time to time. I have seen Jordan Peterson go through a similar break down.
Truly sad.
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Paranoia huh? That can be a symptom of Schizophrenia. Those psychiatrists should know they have a lot of safe and effective treatments for that. 😀
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Psychiatry. That Artful Science.
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This is a short article. Obviously it can’t go into detail due to brevity.
But it fails to distinguish between voluntary or involuntary asylums. A very big difference.
Is Bobak advocating for the type of Soteria House that Loren Mosier ran till the APA cut his funding? Or the chain of asylums old “Doc” Drew wants to start?
Either way, count me out. I will never trust a shrink again after what I have experienced.
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Releasing a wrongfully accused prisoner after a number of years would also produce similar problems. Lack of employment history, etc.
If he has been manhandled routinely in prison by the guards so he suffered extensive TBI and nerve damage it will be still worse. Yet no one would oppose his release and pretend it was an act of kindness!
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The “mental health” system makes reintegration into mainstream society impossible.
I have never been in a true asylum myself–or the modern version called the state mental hospital. But once people in your community know your status as a “severely mentally ill” individual they treat you worse than a felon.
I find the whole concept of mental illness intellectually problematic.
Is it poor cognitive skills? No. That’s called “developmental delay” or whatever the popular term is now. It seems–according to prominent experts on mental illness–that it is bad behaviors impossible to overcome without their help.
“Symptoms” of “bipolar” include rage, pride, lust, and greed. Traditionally called sins. According to psychiatrists certain people have no agency and can never change. This dates back to the Victorian concept of “criminal types” who could be labeled defective by low foreheads and hairy hands and skull size. Assuming you were white. Everybody else was automatically judged defective.
Many here can testify to how wrong these alleged experts are.
Somehow it’s innately biological AND a moral defect at the same time. How can this be? It leads to being treated worse than a convicted felon. Rather than judging you on the content of your character people will judge you on what some shrink who talked to you for fifteen minutes decided. And your bad drug reactions.
So there’s the prejudice (premature judgments with no regard to actual behavior.) Prominent psychiatrists go to great lengths to promote this.
People can change their behaviors without medical help. Human beings have been doing it for ages. But everyone assuming the worst of you makes change impossible till you relocate and start over.
The drugs and shocks make gainful employment–needed for housing usually–difficult if not impossible. Suffering from GI issues myself. At least it’s a great excuse to my neighbors for why I’m on disability.
So the bigotry and brain damage passed off on the public as “safe and effective treatment” are why releasing those in the asylum wasn’t much of a success.
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The father of modern propaganda was the nephew of the father of psychiatry.
(Bernays and Freud.)
Coincidence? Not hinting at a conspiracy but rather a family resemblance.
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So you live up there?
I visit S. Bend a couple times a year to visit friends. Maybe we could drink coffee together sometime.
Interesting to meet someone here in person.
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You got that right!
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Second lieutenant?
That’s just a position in the military.
Does it also mean toadie or boot lick?
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My guess is this may gain a following in the Mad Pride Movement.
It’s biggest opponents will come from within the APA among the head honchos determined to preserve the status quo. At any cost.
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Hi Jane. Thanks for your story.
Just finished reading the 01/24 article here at MIA about Drew Pinsky’s views on homelessness. Reread yours.
We need more stories like this You put the lie to Pinsky’s BS statements about how all “mentally ill” people enjoy being homeless.
You tell why it’s difficult if not impossible to bootstrap your way out of poverty once psychiatry has “helped” you.
The proper term for stigma is segregation. Psychiatry’s primary function has always been to separate the “unfit” from mainstream society via labels or incarceration. Making getting hired difficult.
Once diagnosed SMI you are subjected to treatments designed to render you childish and docile. Not independent or level headed. Even if you escape these brutal regimens of drugs/shocks/brain mutilations the damage is real. Whatever health issues you may have had are far worse than before.
And SSI for the disabled punishes you for trying to better yourself by cutting you off at the knees.
With the high housing costs in California it’s no wonder homelessness is a problem.
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Bwahahaha! Good one.
Dr. Phil is too behavior oriented. Jerry Springer II.
Dr. Oz would be a better proponent of the bio bio bio model. And he uses cool gimmicks.
He could fill a telephone booth with black balloons and say, “These are gloomy thoughts filling your brain.” Takes a knitting needle: “This is shock therapy.” Pops all the balloons in the booth. “See how shocks can save your life by killing those gloomy brain cells.”
Torrey would smack his head. “Brilliant! Sheer genius! How come I never thought of that?”
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Yes they’ve got a new med out for USD. Side effects include dizziness, dry mouth, and forgetting to wear pants.
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I have a question for Michael and Leah.
According to NAMI (not an anti psychiatry organization) only 20% of the homeless are supposed to be “mentally ill.” That still is a significant minority.
Are any of them undergoing AOT while homeless? This is an important question to ask for sites that want to get at the truth.
I got angry at “Dr.” Drew’s assertion that the “mentally ill” all enjoy being homeless. Apparently he would have all believe these subhumans among the “normal” are not only too stupid to take the “meds” that restore their powers of reason, but enjoy exposure to the elements and threats of bodily harm.
I have sat up nights with a weeping friend who feared homelessness thanks to HUD inspections. Her executive functioning so damaged she couldn’t straighten her room properly. (As I couldn’t till recently. I finally shower regularly too. Restore normal brain function my foot!)
“Doc” Drew’s statements that all the “mentally ill” love being homeless is as insulting as it is stupid. I doubt he discussed homelessness or anything else with anyone he treated.
The man just wants to make a killing running a chain of asylums and is eager for warm bodies to cram into them. Psychiatry is the only branch of medicine easier to succeed in than day time talk shows.
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“Scripted lines”? Nobody writes my comments but me.
Just a fantasy for any of us. Of course. Like getting back the lives they ruined.
Preventing them from locking up, crippling, and killing more people would be enough for me.
My body is inflamed and my brain damaged from the treatments. My heart was going bad before I escaped. Psychiatry was killing me. As it has countless others. My “bipolar 2” was created by a drug reaction no one acknowledges.
What’s left to improve about psychiatry? They get 6 or 7 digit salaries and never have to worry about lawsuits. The Professional House is in great shape. No one is about to burn it down. Like the pigs at the end of Animal Farm. They get what they want and that’s all that matters.
Lots of people come here to mock the suffering. “Psychiatry is not going anywhere!”
My response? Doing right is more important than winning.
It’s better to lose fighting for what’s right than win by joining the forces of evil. If Hitler had won World War II do you think opposing him would still have been worthwhile? (It cost Dietrich Bonhoeffer his life.) I say Yes.
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Make the monster an absolute monarch. He promises to save the kingdom if they feed him fresh meat every day. Cure the overpopulation problem.
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Yep. All those people on the streets now in 2020 were released back in the 1960’s.
Real math folks.
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Assuming–for the sake of argument–psychiatrists do know more about human brains now…that does NOT guarantee they will refrain from abuse. By that logic all Josef Mengele needed were more lessons in human anatomy. 😛
The idea that giving anyone absolute power with no repercussions for anyone they harm somehow benefits those at their mercy is ludicrous.
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I am visiting Marci by phone a few times a week.
She is in need of toothpaste and shampoo. Small amounts of cash (1 and 5 dollar bills) and paperbacks are also welcome.
Her address is:
Marci Webber
CRMHC (B-S)
4200 N. Oak Park Av
Chicago, IL 60634
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My question is: What if a family member gets sick of a “mentally ill” person and makes an appeal for involuntary euthanasia? If the “loved” one cries “I want to live!” they can chalk it up to lack of insight.
The Scapegoat is irrational and can’t appreciate how subhuman they are. That their life is unworthy of living as the Germans put it. 🙁
i worry that abusive families and doctors may be allowed to euthanize troublesome members someday. At their own discretion of course. (“Loved” one be damned.)
It’s all about control. Drugs cut life expectancy in half. As Jaffe and Earley well know.
They also know the Chemical Imbalance is a lie but gladly foist it on the public and cram those drugs down family members’ throat. They know they don’t protect or heal but push them anyhow. Defectives are only fit to be locked up. Crippling them and having them die prematurely is convenient for devoted dads like Earley. Or loving brothers-in-law like Stanley–uh–I mean Jaffe.
So Earley admits his book is a work of fiction, hmmm? i daresay there’s professional envy involved.
I bet I know who really wrote the letter he published on his site.
It speaks volumes about Earley’s character that he accused his son of attempted homicide when attempted suicide would also have gotten him hospitalized. Kevin got treated far worse. But the homicide lie was more dramatic. Priorities.
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I read an article in the UK Guardian by Edward Bullmore. Glad he’s taking his colleagues to task.
Psychiatry’s standard treatments cause inflammation. If there’s any validity to Bullmore’s hypothesis, what his colleagues are doing is exacerbating the original complaint.
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i was repeatedly told
1. The drugs were correcting a chemical imbalance in my brain.
2. That they were neuro-protectors to prevent decline.
3. And they were needed to prevent me from hurting myself and others.
4. And they were my only hope for independent living and gainful employment.
All lies I found out. Doubtful any shrinks believe them. Except number 3.
The real justification behind psychiatry is what I saw in an interview between Stossel and Jaffe. Jaffe told him, “These people will only wind up in institutions anyway.”
Writing his fellow men and women off as garbage has been the life mission of D.J. Jaffe.
In the sight of Heaven Jaffe may be judged far less worthy than those HE judges unfit to exist.
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Shrinks consider that an improvement because making people look scary proves how necessary their profession is. It also helps segregate the “mentally ill” from the mainstream and promotes stigma.
Many a well informed shrink loves stigma, segregation, and visible nerve damage. Great PR for his quackery.
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Yes. Suicide has been going on long before psychiatric drugs/shocks–or even psychiatry itself existed.
I do think psychiatry has caused suicide rates to skyrocket. I wasn’t suicidal till the shrinks punished me for my reaction to Anafranil at age 20. 10 mg Haldol that caused seizures and tardive psychosis. My shrink told my friends and family the only reason I experienced these problems was non-compliance. Took the pills religiously but my failure to improve was seen as evidence of my naughtiness. My tearful protests were to no avail. I got kicked out of college.
I couldn’t talk normally, or enjoy anything. I was told no man could ever love a schizophrenic and I would die a virgin like my great aunt. Everyone yelled at me all the time. After a year I decided we’d all be better off if I died. God wouldn’t answer my prayers for cancer so I felt suicide was necessary.
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No big bucks involved in that case either.
Interesting how doctors accused Semmelweis of mental illness to discredit him.
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Mainstream psychiatry hearts stigma.
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Hugs!
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Uneasy rests the head that wears the crown.
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The question is: does “schizophrenia” exist?
Weird thoughts and hallucinations exist. But there are no known bio-markers to distinguish a “schizophrenic” brain–except for those caused by iatrogenic damage.
I read about how William Glasser “cured” people diagnosed as SMI. He called what they experienced “creative symptoms” since they’re creative mind games to cope with pain.
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I thought this article would be about the link between “mental health” and disability related poverty which RW touched on in his Anatomy of an Epidemic. Mildly disappointed.
I’m happy for Ms. Davis btw.
Like many here I didn’t grow up poor. All those wonderful “treatments” sentenced us to lives of poverty. 3 years off my cocktail I can finally clean my room again after 20 years. Thanks for the systemic damage “mental health.”
I hope and pray I can earn enough with online gigs to save myself from homelessness soon. My parents are frail and elderly. They may have to sell the house soon.
I can’t drive due to neuroleptic seizures that prevented my drivers license when young. Never had a family of my own. Almost no friends. In horrible pain every day with symptoms like Crohns and Lyme Disease that seem to baffle doctors.
They get very mysterious and won’t venture guesses on the causes of the disorders they diagnose. My CNS, GI, and executive function are wrecked from long term druggings.
Very angry. I weep inconsolably almost every night holding my cat–mourning the life psychiatrists stole from me.
If you don’t want to wind up sick, lonely and poor stay far away from shrinks!!!
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Hmm. Notice how astronomers don’t get their panties in a wad because Flat Earthers exist.
The Church of Psychiatry knows they’ve got the Good Stuff. They don’t take kindly to any one invading their turf.
I got suspicious of NAMI when I realized they were censoring what we could read or listen to. They canceled a speaker who got better off her drugs and wouldn’t tell us why. I found out from the grapevine. Then I realized the people running the show–the “normals”–were also listening in on our conversations.
They knew the truth would set us free. And it scared them.
The more hysterical rants I hear demonizing the anti-vax crowd the more distrustful of the flu vaccine I become too. 😛
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Who is free of the medical model Dr. Blatt?
I’m certainly not. As long as I live my “diagnosis” will hang over my head. No one with the label of schizophrenia or bipolar can see a medical specialist without the threat of being found out.
Julie Greene was terrified her past would bite her in the butt if a doctor realized the full extent of her kidney damage. (That it had occurred from “therapeutic” lithium levels used as standard treatment for an illness like no other.)
I’m sure you are a kindly, well-meaning doctor. My rant is not meant as an insult to you.
It would be great if more doctors like you existed. But EVERY medical specialist I know personally either believes the medical model–sadness and all negative emotions as well as the rarer extreme states are indisputably brain diseases–or cheerfully lies to the public.
Dr. Blatt, as a medical practitioner, you see things the rest of us don’t. Which would you say it is? Honest ignorance, deception (reluctance to blow the whistle and a desire for pharmaceutical perks) or a combination?
It’s troubling to think how most doctors go along with this. Whether it’s because they’re incompetent, cowardly or corrupt this keeps most survivors from trusting them. 🙁
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Way to hide that embarrassing truth…that people in developing nations recover from what they would call “severe mental illness.”
Shrinks are scared Westerners abroad will discover this. The solution? More chemically crippled brains all over the globe to “prove” how hopeless their test subjects are.
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Or pretended to treat non-existent heart diseases and prescribed pills to damage the hearts of your patients. Then sold more drugs to treat the damage you caused which caused more damage in other vital organs.
Now all that’s needed is more effective marketing for replacing those pesky patients who keep dying.
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Lieberman makes himself still richer by turning even more people into penniless cripples. Who slowly die.
People like him deserve the reward Farid Fata got.
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To induce a proper sense of Stockholm Syndrome. Uh–insight I mean.
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The mother strove to turn her son into a murderous lunatic and succeeded.
Why do these women enjoy having adult children living in their basements for crying out loud? Most parents view that as a bad thing.
Why are they so upset at adult offspring moving out, getting jobs and having relationships? Most parents WANT grandchildren. NAMI mommies would love to sterilize their young. (At least those they designate the Scapegoat.)
NAMI mommies are way nuttier than the offspring they claim to want to help. At least till the “doctor” these gaslighting drama mamas hire succeeds in destroying the son/daughter’s brain and CNS.
The shrink never seems to care–if he notices–what pieces of work the “loved ones” are. Probably because they pay the bill.
Why not let the poor offspring have a life? Instead they force them onto welfare and prevent them from getting jobs. And Heaven help the “kid” if they ever fall in love with anyone! More drama, screams and hysterics from their “normal” NAMI mommy dearest.
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I would like to ask Rick Warren if the “mentally ill” have souls like real people.
Since he denies us free agency and claims we have no moral accountability for our actions this is worth asking.
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Would dearly love to find a way to spike the food supply of a couple dozen shrinks with SSRI drugs in therapeutic doses. My guess is out of 30 approximately 5 would develop psychotic mania within a week or two.
When they find out, remind them that according to their alleged science this reaction means they were Bipolar all along. The drugs just unmasked that condition. Then tell them they’ll have to take cocktails for the rest of their lives. Watch them wriggle out of that. Record the whole thing for social media.
It would have to be publicly recorded to work. They never play by their own rules. (Whining how lack of government funds is forcing them to commit suicide instead of getting “diagnosed” and “hospitalized” and “treated” for suicidal desires like the rest of us.)
Public exposure of the profession’s bovine excrement would be great.
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You got that right.
There’s plenty of spraying pretty fragrances around. Scented like vanilla, flowers, fruit. But the stench is overpowering. What we need is a good flush.
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Consider that mainstream psychiatry is about destroying the health and cognitive function of those it “helps.” Psychiatry fills the human heart with existential angst and self loathing.
Psychiatry prevented me–and countless others–from marriage, a career, family, or friendships with any but a few other outcasts. 🙁
Is it any wonder so many of those with psychiatric labels kill themselves?
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I suspect “Compassionate Personality Disorder” will make it into the DSM-6.
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As Szazs pointed out they used to “bleed” cholera victims through the best of intentions.
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I’ll know the apologies are real if they follow through and change their behaviors. Like anyone’s apology.
But–like my abusive ex–I still won’t go back to the relationship. Nope. Good luck, becoming a better person without me Dr. Quackenbush.
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All I can say in Dr. K’s defense is maybe all his clients are newbies to psychiatry who have never taken SSRIs for more than 6-12 months.
Or maybe they know that psychiatrists will always laugh at how horrible they feel–say it’s imaginary and/or they’re faking it for attention. Like the seizures I had on Haldol. 😛 After that I quit sharing anything negative about ye precious pills.
(Your mainstream shrink would rather hear you insult his own mother than the pills he prescribes. Like his whole sense of self worth is wrapped up in those things.)
Dr. K is obviously not a mainstream psychiatrist. That’s why so many here–including myself–get upset and angry at his casual dismissal of our suffering. We expect it of the dangerous quacks working in community mental illness centers. But we hope for better from mavericks like him.
Very disappointing! 🙁
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The vast majority of absolute monarchs remain unconvinced of democracy too I bet.
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Close was nice enough to force her sister to wear a T-shirt saying ‘Schizophrenic” out in public and actually touched her. With people watching and everything.
A lot of heroism and self sacrifice on Glen’s part. 😛 Ugh.
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My struggles are PHYSICAL in nature Dr. K. Off my SSRI drugs I’m no longer suicidal. On them, I thought of it every month at least.
My emotions are pretty stable considering I struggle to have fewer than a dozen bowel movements a day. 🙂
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I think what most people consider prolonged withdrawal symptoms are simply damage from long term drug use. Before starting my taper I had been diagnosed with pernicious anemia and heart arrythmia. I also was experiencing Inflammatory Bowel Disease. Though the diagnosis was pretty recent.
Going off seemed to exacerbate autoimmune problems. Not sure why. My pain threshold is lower for one thing. (Psych drugs numb physical pain too.) And my stomach acid levels are different. Was on the stuff 24 years.
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There are young people who start acting oddly. For whatever reason.
Mom has always been worried about looking Normal and Blending in. It bugged me how looking good was more important than being good on the inside.
I was a weird child. Too eccentric and imaginative. Used to throw ugly tantrums and they drove my folks nuts since everyone at church condemned them for not punishing me severely enough.
Before kindergarten my folks took me to an educational center that ran tests. I drew a woman as they requested. The skirt was “too long” according to them.
They asked me why I disliked preschool. I used a big word when I told them. “Responsibilities.” Tongue clucking and note taking.
They told my parents it was their fault I was messed up. Using big words I obviously didn’t know because they forced me to. Drawing women wearing long skirts meant my parents made me feel ashamed of my legs.
My mom was very upset. She has told me since she always knew there was something wrong and weird about me. The center blamed my environment. The bio-model blamed heredity which she claimed came from Dad’s side too.
Why is being Weird the unpardonable sin? Lots of “normal” people do rotten things all the time. But if their cruel, selfish behaviors are socially appropriate and NORMAL everyone is fine with that.
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Yes Bcharris.
It’s also worth noting that psychotropics work mainly by lowering energy levels.
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Thank you for this article Dr. Hahn. Nice to have more specialists of legitimate sciences writing for MIA.
With the many adults involved in the life of today’s child there are plenty of potential abusers other than the parents.
My brother and I were emotionally abused by a teacher we both had different years. My parents never found out till we were teens. We thought our folks approved of Mrs. I’s behaviors and teachings. They had no idea and were upset when we told them.
SomeoneElse and others here could share how their children were abused without their knowledge or consent. So blaming the mom or parents is a gross oversimplification. Often unjust.
Though this article points out the problem was less common than represented. Psychiatrists are misrepresenting their own history even as they misrepresent what they know about the human brain.
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People who abuse street drugs have high drop out rates too.
The only surprising thing about this is that anyone regards it as surprising.
I’m sure Dr. Goetzhe could foresee the outcome–well informed AND MORAL doctor that he is. Unlike many.
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Sounds fishy to me. 😛
Cod liver oil has been around a long time. You don’t need a doctor to administer it.
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You will be missed Dr. Bonnie.
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Well, furies, the withdrawals can make you feel like you’re dying.
Glad to see more articles like this. And commenters willing to speak the truth. Despite the gas lighting.
Like the writer I had digestive problems when young. Shrinks messed my gut up royally.
Wonder when a shrink will show up to scream “pill shamers” at those managing to survive without their next fix from dealers like him. 🙂
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I wouldn’t know. No TV.
🙂
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Nobody seems to acknowledge that large numbers of people attempt suicide while religiously adhering to the drug regimen–exactly as prescribed by the doctor.
While taking my cocktail exactly as prescribed by my shrink I frequently was suicidal and would be hospitalized 1-3 times every year.
Off my drugs for 30 months and despite my poverty and sickness (iatrogenic digestive system damage) I have regained the will to live. But no one wants to hear stories like mine.
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Psychic psychiatry….
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The APA will only strip Open Dialogue of all meaning and value by incorporating the bio model. Just as they have CBT and meditation.
My guess is they’ll turn it into a gripe session where the “SMI” person’s family is encouraged to gang up on him or her. “Keva you need to own up to being the schizophrenic in this family. Why won’t you just admit you’re the problem and take your meds?”
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“We give those pesky kids fistfuls of uppers and downers. Yet their mood swings persist. Must be their defective genes,” says our educational system.
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Not with a single lethal injection though.
A prolonged death over the course of many years via 3-10 various neuroleptics/serotonin inhibitors/tranquilizers.
That’s the only humane course to take. Motivated purely by compa$$ion. 😀
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“Researchers Fail to Predict Responses to Random Brain Damage.”
How’s that? 🙂
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And if the treatment causes the kneecaps to disintegrate that’s just too bad.
They shoulda thought of that before they had knee troubles.
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My mental illness team told me logical thinking was impossible for my kind and I needed to rely on everyone else to do my thinking for me. Around that time I really “lost it.” Ain’t insight grand?
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A lot of doctors chalk them up to fake diseases. Anything to prescribe more SSRIs and get rewarded with warm doughnuts and views up Barbie’s miniskirt.
That’s why most of us survivors distrust doctors. If we even continue to believe in allopathic medicine.
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i prefer to read this as Peter Breggin saying no one is “saner” than anyone else. Especially the shrinks.
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So Dr. K…how would you classify real physical disorders created by fake meds to treat fake diseases? Funny how these real diseases are ignored or minimized if the doctor knows you’re being treated for a fake disease.
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My anemia and thyroid problem kept getting used as an excuse to boost my SSRI dose. Now I smile and say I feel perfectly happy but just a little sluggish. Could they please just check my hemoglobin and thyroid levels?
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Is that a reality show Down Under?
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I understand the frustration many here feel. Like others I share a small living space as the only alternative to homelessness and am still too messed up for a regular job. Autoimmune diseases and trouble concentrating, remembering or organizing.
Plus the MI System strongly discouraged me from finding work–partly by requiring long hours in “day treatment” and “clubhouse.” So my work history is very poor.
Others of you are worse off. Living under a bridge or abandoned warehouse. Maybe forced into AOT or locked up or forced to live with abusers. Maybe you don’t even get disability to live off.
Melissa’s cards are not a solution to problems like homelessness. Houses of cards are for shrinks to construct. 😉 Nor do they free the imprisoned nor end the pharmacological torture. But these problems are things even the greatest medical and legal experts struggle with. Dr. Goezhe, Dr. Breggin, Jim Gottstein….
At least Melissa is trying to bring the teeniest ray of comfort into the lives of those who exist just to serve as scapegoats for all that’s wrong with humanity today. Letting them know that someone still sees them as Human Beings instead of monsters or garbage.
I’m trying to do more of that myself. Maybe volunteer for a warmline for survivors.
There are other contributors here far worthier of our ire. One of them is a mainstream psychiatrist who posted a mocking comment on a young man’s memorial page a while back. It makes more sense to get angry at people like him.
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It’s better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness. ~Confucius
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I agree with you about the peer movement John.
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Of course the idea that mindlessness meditation–as Julie used to call it–or counseling can benefit purely neurological disorders flies in the face of the bio-bio-bio model narrative psychiatrists have written.
They struggle with the narrative when they wax eloquent upon how the internet spreads agosognosia. Yet claim this lack of “insight” is completely genetic in origin.
Respected psychiatrists seem to be arguing that genes can be altered through reading internet articles they disagree with. Lol
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Why many find “mental health”=depression. You get your entire identity out of popping pills and attending “groups” to reinforce how sick/crazy/helpless you are.
Normal things that give most a sense of life purpose–career and family–are strongly discouraged.
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Hugs John.
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I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Not being a shrink i can’t read people’s minds.
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I was indeed mad to think my psychiatrist had any solutions to my real life problems.
Should have bought my “meds” from that guy on the street corner. No defamatory label and you can go off with no legal repercussions.
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In defense of all these do-gooders most believe in the chemical imbalance myth.
My mom thought I would die without my “meds.” Seriously.
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Precisely.
There’s way more to our neurochemical makeup than dopamine and serotonin despite what NAMI would have us believe. Most of the chemicals in the human brain remain unclassified by science.
If they don’t even know what they’re trying to fix how can they fix it?
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Is that so?
I keep hearing shrinks tell everyone–not just us–how their treatments are 100% safe and effective. They prevent murder, adultery, homelessness, drunkenness, theft, suicide, etc. And they’re “safer than aspirin.” “Just like insulin for diabetes.”
So they admit to each other that all their medical help is worthless? A pack of lying scoundrels.
Shrinks whining about how the geese laying their golden eggs squawk too much.They’re the ungrateful ones IMHO.
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Yep. Replace all psychiatrists with kiosks containing computers. You can take the test for “mental illness” with in the multiple choice quiz already used by shrinks.
Print up the new diagnostic label/s on a receipt. Then run your Medicaid/Medicare/insurance cared through various vending machines that will dispense 7-30 days worth of pills.
The machines won’t make you wait 2 hours extra for a 10 minute office visit. They don’t play golf.
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Sounds like how Mom’s GP takes her off her “antidepressants.”
Poor Mom acts like a zombie most of the time. 16 hours of TV a day. Can only discuss pop trivia and gets irritated at anything “for eggheads.”
At 69 she takes Wellbutrin and Celexa. But doctors prescribe it so it must be good for her. (She assumes.)
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That was very kind of you Melissa. Thank you for taking the time and trouble for showing love to people our culture wants to forget.
Some of the most judgmental, unloving attitudes toward the “mentally ill” come from the experts who diagnose them.
I’ll have to visit your blog. It’s a struggle to keep positive.
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Glad you’re doing better, Will.
I understand why you choose to take a small dose of neuroleptics in your circumstances.
What you needed help with was the real disease of malaria. Not a slough of iatrogenic problems added to the mix. 🙁
It was hard for me to taper off my cocktail. I receive a disability check and live with relatives. Not a feasible option for many.
Circumstances may change. Till then, minimalist psych pills sound like they’re working for you. Good luck.
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Or that a bad reaction to an SSRI can get you labeled bipolar, thus destroying all hopes for a decent life.
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Glad your suffering ended before your life did.
The worst thing about psychiatric “remedies” is they cause exquisite suffering no onlooker can see. Even kind hearted people can’t appreciate the Hell that’s between your ears.
My mother would tearfully ask my shrink why I paced, jerked uncontrollably, had mini seizures, couldn’t carry on a conversation, concentrate or smile. “She never was like this.”
“Doc” M covered his butt with judicious victim blaming and gas lighting. Of course.
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The best course of treatment for hopelessness, sadness, and despair?
Faith, hope, and love.
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Most serial killers live in their own homes, hold down jobs, and even have families.
I also object to “Doc” Drew’s nonsense that “All the ‘mentally ill’ people enjoy being homeless.”
It reminds me of how racists say “People of ethnic group X enjoy living in the high crime district.”
I am afraid of homelessness for crying out loud! Been having nightmares about it. Lots of “consumers” are. A friend of mine kept begging to be sent to a “home” because her frontal lobes were too messed up on her cocktail to keep the Marine-style level of cleanliness and order that HUD demands and most people would find challenging.
It’s safe to assume Drew wants nothing but state hospitals. Basically prisons rife with every abuse imaginable–including rape.
WTH is wrong with Drew? It’s a safe bet HE never talked to them or any of his victims. Can’t humanize ’em since that would be unprofessional.
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How to be a respected psychiatrist.
It’s essential to wear a nice lab coat, have clean finger nails, never raise your voice (you can scare people into submission without shouting.)
Flash your MD around. From the only medical field that accepts people who swoon at the sight of blood.
Forget losers like Louis Pasteur and Alexander Fleming. Song and dance numbers outweigh facts. Make like P.T. Barnum.
Remember a happy mark won’t give much repeat business. Give them something highly addictive with as many side effects as possible. With luck you’ll get to sell 3 drugs for every original drug you put them on. 😀 That’s a cocktail of 9 meds for your average Bipolar case. Cha ching!
Remember–only do horrible things in socially appropriate ways.
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A lot of shrinks would qualify. That’s why.
It’s worth noting how the high ranking psychiatrists praised the way SSRIs kill empathy.
See http://www.madinamerica.com/2019/07/antidepressants-blunt-ability-feel-empathy/
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Do you suffer akathasia Dragon Slayer? 🙁
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Can the phone number here still be used?
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Precisely Boans!
What’s to prevent shrinks from involuntarily euthanizing the “SMI”?
We already have no say in what they do to us. And they ignore the damage their “safe and effective” treatments have on those they regard as lab rats.
It’s only lack of insight preventing Ms. Smith from appreciating her subhuman condition and that she has Lebensunwertes Leben (a life unworthy of life.) Therefore kindly, wise Dr. X will kill her despite her protests.
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Western psychiatry should be viewed as a punitive branch of government rather than a branch of medicine.
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Reporting scientific studies is problematic when these studies are skewed and sometimes falsified.
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Psychiatry serves as a Procrustean bed for western society.
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My beliefs kept me from suicide too, Rconrad. Hugs!
Sadly Zel’s reason for ending his life was the damage inflicted on him by psychiatry.
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So does Jaffe advocate telling police to not be afraid of shooting anyone accused of being “MI”? If not, this is still the result. Not that he would care.
Are the folks running NAMI that dumb or do they want to get their loved ones shot if the drugs don’t work fast enough. 25 years is a long wait for an annoying “loved one” to die.
I’ll never forget a commenter here who supported AOT and said she was glad her “mentally ill” daughter would die young and didn’t care her life was ruined by the drugs because she was happy forcing her to live hopelessly dependent in her basement forever.
Why isn’t that woman considered a menace? She’s the one with messed up thinking. Her “crazy” daughter wasn’t the one saying that crap about her.
Isn’t wanting your adult offspring to be crippled, unemployed and living in your basement forever pretty bizarre? But that’s the ultimate NAMI mommy wet dream. Creepy.
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Leaving psychiatry is indeed the only healthy response to this brutal regime. Never argue with anyone whose 7 digit income depends on writing off your complaints as delusions.
Have a happy new year, Ekaterina. 🙂
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I’m wondering about a class action suit levied by people labeled “bipolar 2” after a reaction to an SSRI.
This is not to shame the victims but exonerate them. And shed light on the implicit deceit of psychiatry.
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I found work recently. The economy is better now.
But I couldn’t keep the entry-level job due to old age and long term damage causing my autoimmune disease.
Creative freelancing will allow me to “come out” as a survivor more easily. I have made a vow to do so in 2024.
Leaving California would help those folks a lot. Housing is way more affordable in my state. $20,000 here goes further than $50,000 in the Sunshine State.
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Jaffe is not a doctor. Why does he get a platform? 😛
Propagandist and boot-licker don’t count.
Psychiatry should be called out on its hypocritical double standard this way.
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An institution is four walls. Pinsky should have this pointed out to him.
They are very wrong to say all the homeless enjoy being that way. Krista didn’t choose homelessness. Nor did Julie Greene or me. Yet we nearly wound up that way because psychiatry prevented us from gainful employment.
By deliberate crippling with their cruel, pointless experiments. And promoting bigotry as Pinsky is doing. How is one supposed to find/keep a job when Pinsky and his ilk are out to sabotage all efforts and terrify neighborhoods to promote NIMBY even after finding jobs?
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HUD costs less due to fewer staff.
Of course letting these people become gainfully employed so they can afford their own housing is not an option.
I was gainfully employed at 17. Went to college and took a full course load and PT work at the campus library. Then I saw a shrink, took his pills and stayed awake for 21 days. Labels, more drugs than ever, unemployment…
Struggling to work with a chronic illness from home.
I still think psychiatry is exacerbating–if not causing–the homelessness epidemic. And benefits are being cut because almost 30% of the population is iatrogenically crippled/barred from working thanks to “Doctor” Drew’s colleagues. All the mental workers swore up and down if I took my “meds” religiously I could find gainful employment and maybe even get married.
But it all depended on unquestioning obedience and taking whatever drugs my shrinks dished out. Even if they caused seizures, uncontrollable vomiting, heart problems, strokes, etc. 😛
There are more jobs now. Sadly though, my autoimmune condition from 25 years on drugs makes many of these impossible. I can no longer work as a cashier due to bodily weakness and chronic pain.
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Merry Christmas RR. 🙂
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I was the model mental patient for 22 years.
What did I get for it? Alienation. Segregation. Dire poverty. Banned from gainful employment. Massive weight gain (more than 100% body mass.) Autoimmune disease. Heart problems.
That’s how the mentalists reward you for the insight they praise. And they assume you’re stupid and warn your family that you won’t take your “meds” since “they never do.”
Of course my “insight” and reputation as a “good consumer” helped me escape once I figured out I’d been had. The real advantage to compliance.
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Never underestimate the placebo effect.
Of course there is more than that at work. A lot of drugs bring people out of depression by producing a mild euphoria.
I experienced this with my first time on Zoloft. But my depression came from being labeled “schizo-affective” after a bad trip on Anafranil. I got kicked out of college thanks to my label. 10 mg Haldol destroyed my ability to socialize/enjoy anything/smile.
Mental services blamed my suicidal misery on my brain. Not being labeled hopelessly defective or drugged out on seizure causing neuroleptics.
In the hospital someone told me I wasn’t a monster and listened while I sobbed out the year of pain I had been through. The Zoloft gave me a speedy lift. I got released for Thanksgiving.
I went back to another college too. Full time.
The relief lasted a month or so.
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Remember The Lorax by Dr. Seuss?
My guess is those pushing MI System don’t want to wreck society since an end to Western Civilization would mean no more yacht parties.
But–like the Onceler in the picture book–their greed has made them very short sighted. And instead of trees they’re chopping down young human lives just as fast as they please.
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I struggle with the urge to go full misanthrope myself.
In my phone talks with Julie Greene she told me that distrust–even hatred–for most of humanity is common to psychiatric survivors.
It comes from being cast out of society so only a few fellow outcasts will still speak to you. Of being blamed for every violent crime committed. Of trembling every time you hear of a mass shooting since you know people will blame duly appointed scapegoats for society, known as the “mentally ill” for the actions of those you have no control over.
if it were seen as punishing a group for the crimes of a single individual, people would be forced to acknowledge the injustice. But call life long imprisonment/mutilation/druggings “treatment” and dismiss those forced to suffer. They can take pride in their benevolence and only need to fear dislocated shoulders from patting their own backs.
But we who survive the System are not fooled. We see through this faux compassion for what it is. Cold indifference to the suffering of their fellow human beings. Projecting the murder and madness in their own hearts onto the designated Other. 🙁
Every morning I feel what has been inflicted on my body. I make a conscious choice for forgiveness and love. Not easy and the damage remains. But my psyche is noticeably better.
I only know what goes on in the hearts of the scapegoating “sane” because I too am guilty of this behavior. i truly am one of them–acknowledged or not.
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Ironic that he calls NOT locking up and slowly poisoning innocent people genocide.
Psychiatry is genocide of those the experts deem unworthy and unfit. Social Darwinism at its ugliest.
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If a “consumer’s” intelligence is not significantly below average this indicates a need to increase “medications.”
I suspect this is how many shrinks reason.
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My question is how many homeless people are receiving the best of psychiatric treatment even when the sidewalk is their pillow night after night?
Just like mass shooters in psychiatric care while they plot out their murder/suicides. A whole herd of elephants in the living room.
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Drug addiction is standard treatment for psychiatry. Homelessness/disability and violent crime are greatly exacerbated by “mental health.”
Leah, someone needs to write an article–or book–about how psychiatry creates homelessness. The involuntary kind.
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It looks like the movie Unsane takes a more realistic look at psychiatry than Joker.
The funny part of Unsane is how it’s viewed as some sort of unusual scandal the psych hospital locks people up as long as insurance covers it. And gets shut down when this Unusual Scandal comes to light.
Bwahahaha! 😀
Naive screenplay writers.
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I was referring to family doctors. Not shrinks.
I lied to a former GP about how helpful I found the cocktail I no longer took.
He solemnly warned me of the dangers of going manic if I stopped taking my “meds.” Many others have too.
i know they were 100% wrong. But no way will I tell them!
Are they all that deceitful? Or ignorant?
It’s doubtful they know anyone who came off the pills and dared to tell them the story.
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I have said some harsh things about real doctors on this site.
In justice to those GPs and FNPs, they lead such busy lives that aside from maybe a few trade articles to stay current, none have time to sift through all the propaganda/marketing campaigns disguised as medical science.
The truth can’t keep pace with all the lies the enemy grinds out. Truly sad. 🙁
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Amazing. That they admitted her “meds” weren’t working. 🙁
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“In other words, the conservatee has to prove he or she has been handling the very responsibilities or freedoms that the conservatorship has limited their ability to engage in.”
This sums up the Mental System as a whole, actually.
Strap a ball and chain to our ankles and mock our inability to run laps.
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And one of the men holding her prisoner assures us she is fine.
But won’t let the prisoner speak for herself.
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Yes, Anomie. Survival of the Fittest as the standard can be brutal to those judged unfit. Weakness is viewed as the ultimate crime–worse than robbery or murder.
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Thank you for your directness and honesty Richard.
I’m not sure which of the 10 Commandments you refer to supports slavery. The one against coveting perhaps?
BTW, you have your own reasons for rejecting organized religion. This is not an apologetics site so I will not debate you.
Since you don’t believe in it, the cognitive dissonance you experienced with psychiatry is purely biological and moral. Not theological like my own.
Blind and uncritical thinking bring trouble wherever they occur. I agree.
As someone with nothing to gain by helping us survivors I applaud you in supporting our movement.
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Do you mean even those who see a shrink willingly should be allowed to “fire” him or her at will and leave the mental system should we so desire?
If so, I agree.
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Psychiatry=projection.
Physicians, heal yourselves.
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Alcoholics Anonymous is such a group–or at least it was.
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That’s a good question Richard.
A major difference between “original sin” and “mental illness” is the playing field is level. We’re ALL sinners. And genetic defects–though they exist–don’t make anyone inherently better than another.
Whereas psychiatrists believe the majority are born sane. Such as themselves.
Furthermore the doctrine of “original sin” goes along with the doctrine that all human beings are special beings who bear the divine breath within. And have basic rights to life and liberty by nature of our common humanity. Regardless of intelligence, strength or beauty.
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Psychiatry is a school of anti-thought.
Monism is the philosophy psychiatry is founded upon. Monists believe we don’t have thoughts. What we call thoughts are merely random chemical reactions in our skulls.
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Psychiatrists ignored me whenever I said anything negative about the pills they put me on. Either I was lying or it was my “illness” which (quite coincidentally) had never manifested in that form before I took their “100% safe, effective life-saving medicine.”
Liar or inherent defectiveness. Can’t pill shame.
So I decided two can play at this game. I lied and flattered shamelessly. As long as you kiss up and praise ye precious pills they’ll believe anything you say. It shows “good insight.” LOL
Arrogant people are highly susceptible to flattery. Remember Colonel Klink in Hogan’s Heroes?
It helped me escape.
They hate the truth so you feed them the lies they prefer.
Oh, they’ll easily believe you are “symptom” free. AKA no depression. Regardless of how you feel.
What highly scientific method do they use to figure out your depression levels? Blood tests? Brain scans? Spinal taps?
Nope.
A quiz with 0-5 for negative feelings. They throw some physical symptoms that could be caused by real health issues, but it’s a trap. Just put 0 on everything and three 1’s so they won’t get suspicious.
My joys and sorrows are my own business. I’l deal with them as I see fit. And calling my real life sorrows or griefs mere symptoms of some (unproven) brain disease is insulting the way I see it.
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These are actually quite rare.
The teen talking to non-existent people. The man going around calling himself Moses or Gandhi. The woman who imagines the CIA is spying on her.
Very few people in the MI System I met ever experienced this pre-drugs.
Most were nervous and unhappy from crap in their lives. Till the psych treatments sent them over the edge.
Or they got a plea deal for shop lifting or assault.
Or had a drinking problem that AA used to help with. Now they’re addicted to stuff far worse than booze.
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And self-satisfaction…
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Some shrinks don’t know what laughter is–so naturally they find it disturbing.
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That is the main reason I chose to come off my drugs. Despite the suffering my withdrawal caused.
I was brought up a teetotaler, non-smoker, “just say no” kid. if these drugs were the same as street drugs how could I continue to take them?
BTW, a lot of little old ladies on SSRI’s would be irate if they could be convinced they’d been tricked into taking addictive, mind altering drugs by that nice-seeming doctor they trusted.
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He’s certainly cruel and deceitful.
He knows his “science” is a fraud and hurts people but chooses to ignore his conscience to advance his career.
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Dr. Ronald Pies did in a couple articles published in the APA journal.
He was very indignant that anyone thought members of his profession were ignorant enough to believe the lies they told those who trusted them. 😀
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‘”Far away from the from the eloquent critiques from Mad in America, one is as likely to have a patient REQUESTING to be diagnosed or start a new medication.”
Dr. T.N. Tampiyappa
“The Matrix: Disentangling Antipsychiatry”
MIA 12/19
I have heard other psychiatrists say this. Though my label almost made me commit suicide before I decided to live above it.
FWIW I have known some people who enjoyed being able to turn over adult responsibilities to the mental system.
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Do they even want to make valid scientific discoveries?
Assume–for the sake of argument–they discover more about the chemicals of our brains and classify more. Then they discover all the “safe and effective” treatments they based their careers on have done the exact opposite of what they were supposed to.
It’s safe to assume psychiatry would not come out smelling like roses in this scenario. So my guess is they would promptly skew or suppress the results.
The research is entirely for show.
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I wouldn’t call Torrey a “hater.”
His evil is the icy sort rather than the fiery sort.
Most of his victims are strangers to him. He doesn’t hate; he is coldly indifferent to the sufferings of his fellow human beings. Whom he perceives solely as means to the end of his own prestige.
He only actively hates those like Breggin and RW who get in the way of his money, fame and power.
His evil is decidedly banal.
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Julie Greene had a dream of consulting to help people going through extreme states see it through and avoid the mental system entirely. Or leave the system after getting sucked in.
I really would like to see her ebook “Life Without Lithium” get published.
One of her brothers came over to the anti psychiatry side. Maybe he would be agreeable to getting it published as Julie wished.
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As an orthodox Christian who attends a Church of Christ assembly based on the Bible and fundamentalist notions, I struggled with the incompatibility of my religious faith and psychiatry.
Yes, brain illnesses exist. Meningitis, epilepsy, dementia, brain cancer, ALS, traumatic brain damage. These cause cognitive problems–along with other issues like motor impairment.
But what psychiatrists–especially the high ranking kind–love to warn the public against are not people with cognitive problems. (Torrey doesn’t go on national TV to warn the populace about how dangerous all people with Down Syndrome are. Notice that?)
Basically “mental illness” refers to moral issues. If a young man goes berzerk with a gun or knife or homemade bomb he isn’t cognitively impaired. Often these murderers show great ingenuity in gaining or constructing these weapons.
The problem is moral–not cognitive in nature. The idea that any pill can cure moral problems by strengthening the conscience and rekindling love for your neighbor is ludicrous.
My religion promises help in overcoming moral problems (AKA sins) through traditional means laid out in our scriptures. But when well meaning church members urged me to get “help” and take my “meds” I wondered what good our church was. Did “mentally ill’ people like me not have souls since the Atonement was insufficient for our redemption?
No one else pondered these questions. Then I discovered most shrinks–especially the high ranking members of the APA–don’t believe in souls. They are actually monists or materialists.
My dad is a retired preacher with a graduate degree in theology. I read him Dr. Pies’s article arguing both against the chemical imbalance “metaphor” and in for hard core materialism. This turned my dad against psychiatry–realizing it was actually a rival religion sneaking into churches by posing as a branch of medicine.
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LOL
😀
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I would like to write a piece about how psychiatry causes homelessness.
Not “mental illness” but psychiatry and its brain damaging treatments and public degradation.
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I believe this.
Chaya, knowing this, why are there some people begging for labels? (Never wanted one myself.)
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Psychiatry is killing western medicine.
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For my part I value good counseling, but cannot afford anything outside the MH system and so many are 100% pro pharmakiah as well as telling me how hopeless my “bipolar’ status makes me. Afraid to see any and tired of the depressing messages.
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What is “mental health” supposed to be?
The DSM is full of odd thoughts and behaviors but most shrinks would be hard put to define what a “mentally healthy” person is supposed to act, think and feel like.
William Glasser wrote about it, but he was a rogue the APA would love to forget. Glasser rejected the notion of labels and long term drugs or shocks as helpful.
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Well said.
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With all due respect Dr. T, I don’t have the power to vote anyone off the Island since I lost all citizenship rights after getting labeled. (The label itself made me suicidal while i believed it.)
You might say I have fled the island no longer feeling safe there.
I have no doubt the pills help some by numbing their emotional pain.
i sought out psychiatry willingly but had no idea i would be labeled ‘bipolar’ because the SSRI would keep me awake for 3 weeks straight. On a cocktail for 22 years and kicked out of college. No career or family or friends in my late forties thanks to being labeled and drugged so heavily I slept 10-12 hours a day. (And too numb to pick up on social cues and nuances I ordinarily could.)
You could argue I came willingly but so could the victims of Farid Fata who willingly took lengthy chemo treatments because he told them they had leukemia. And they didn’t.
Unlike you Dr. T., my psychiatrists told me I had a chemical imbalance in my brain their drugs would rectify and I would probably harm myself or others without the cocktail i must take. Most denied what i experienced–my tonic seizures (minor side effect)–and blamed my weight gain on nutritional ignorance and gluttony. Then marveled at my depression and low self esteem. Fancy that. *Eye roll.*
When I read William Glasser i was so relieved to know i was not a monster and it was not my fault the drugs made me feel awful instead of helping me live independently and get along with others outside the MI ghetto.
Nowhere but MIA to share stories like mine it seems. And there are plenty.
Thank you for acknowledging people like us exist and shouldn’t be locked up for what others have put us through.
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Surely that is a tired rehash of ad hominem attacks from the Church of Psychiatry.
Saying people aren’t suffering from what they have inflicted on us under the guise of medicine.
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They do a great job at concealing their dislike. I no longer trust the medical profession because of this collusion.
Like a city run by a crooked police force. It may be just 5% of the police breaking the law they claim to uphold. But they couldn’t do it without all the rest supporting and covering for their corrupt buddies.
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Ugh.
Glad to see you here Boans. You haven’t commented for a while.
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Their pills destroy grey matter and cause brain shrinkage according to studies done–but not brought up–by Dr. Nancy Andreason. Prominent p-doctor and author of The Broken Brain.
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I agree Alex.
The best treatment for prolonged stress would be good nutrition, proper exercise, enough sleep, plenty of water, and people who loved you.
Kind of how I’m curing the damage done by those I’d thought were helping me.
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I admit I know little about these studies. But even if accurate, they do not justify psychiatric drugs/shocks any more than Brittle Bone Disease justifies taking a crow bar to the legs of a sufferer.
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You mean shrinks will start treating folks with brain cancer, Lyme disease, and epilepsy like wanted criminals?
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If ‘bad mental health policy’ means denial of due process, segregating and gas lighting select individuals, and slowly crippling and killing the weakest–including newborns–I agree.
But it probably means the laws are not draconian enough and we aren’t dying fast enough in large enough numbers to suit the powers that be.
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No you don’t deserve what you’ve been through. My condolences.
If he’s a violent criminal he should be locked up. Why is he roaming free?
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Tie a pretty pink ribbon on torture and call it compassion.
A friend of mine left NAMI and urged me to leave “mental health” when her sister died at 49 and she saw my rapid decline. My heart is finally beating regularly again.
My family agrees the drugs did not help me. Many people are upset at the cruel, pointless experiments performed on their loved ones. Families that actually love each other. Even the sensitive types having a rough time.
How anyone could knowingly force a child to take drugs they know are crippling and slowly killing them is beyond me. At least my parents believed the chemical imbalance lie and were sincere though misguided. (By evil guides.) You can’t make such a defense in Pete Earley’s behalf. On his blog he unapologetically acknowledges this is false but claims it’s necessary to promote it to ensure “meds compliance.”
Google “Pete Earley chemical imbalance metaphor.” His blog will likely turn up with the article I’m thinking of.
Neither truth nor love.
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How about health concerns linked to the iatrogenic damage caused by psychiatry?
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I can finally read this without being blinded by tears.
Julie Greene was a true friend. We never actually met but talked on the phone a lot. As well as texting and emails.
She encouraged me to come off my “meds.” Gave me great advice for my own writing, job hunting and reintegration. (Hard for those who spent all their adult lives in the MI system.)
Sad she died so young, but she outlived the average psychiatrized person by ten years. There’s no doubt fleeing the system prolonged her life.
And she died at her own place with Puzzle. Not in an institution as she feared.
I find comfort in that thought.
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Still a few Peter Breggins out there.
Long before I heard about Robert Whitaker, I learned the truth about psychiatry from rogue psychiatrists–like William Glasser and Terry Lynch.
Far from upsetting me, the idea that the pills were not fixing my brain but harming it, was a great relief. I had often felt frustrated and depressed that my effective, neuro-protective pills weren’t helping me lead a happy, productive life like the MH people kept promising. No one else at the MH center seemed that “functional” either.
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We need a fact checking site dedicated entirely to medical news.
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Prolonged stress has been shown to reduce gray matter in human brains. Sort of a negative form of neuroplasticity.
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Actually these treatments are safe and effective.
100% safe for psychiatrists who prescribe them and effective at helping them earn 6 or 7 digit incomes.
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Opponents would argue “cause does not automatically mean correlation.”
But the fact that there are larger numbers of young people taking these drugs than ever and rates of joblessness due to emotional problems have skyrocketed should make anyone reconsider how effective these drugs are at helping people lead independent, meaningful lives.
Psychiatry has been compared to a dragon on this site.
I believe it is a Minotaur. An unnatural, hybridized monster lurking in a twisted maze of hopeless complexity. It prowls the darkness, devouring the young who have been placed there by the state. A convenient sacrifice to maintain tyranny.
Unlike its Greek counterpart, our minotaur is not satisfied with 14 young people. Every year its appetite grows as it devours larger numbers of our young–and bellows for more.
It is insatiable. Unless we find a Theseus, it will devour our future!
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Whoever is not against us is for us.
I am grateful for anyone trying to help, including the writer of this piece. At least he tells those who come to him the truth about the drugs he prescribes and it sounds as though he only supports consenting consumers.
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Psychiatry is chalk full of euphemisms and oxymorons.
Examples of oxymorons:
“Integrate” means isolate or segregate
“Diagnose” means perform degradation ceremony
“Serve” means rule
“Insight” means breaking point
“Hospitalization” means imprisonment for no legal reason
“Assisted outpatient treatment” means pharmacological torture
“Mental health” means gas lighting
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It’s not just young women’s sense of self “antidepressants” shape. In a little over a year on a cocktail I went from 175 to 250. 🙁
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‘Life imprisonment, without possibility of parole and pharmacological torture.”
Yes. Pharmacological torture is a thing. Which explains why the UN publicly condemned psychiatry’s standard treatments.
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Psychiatry’s primary function for any but “soft diagnoses” is punitive. Whether you commit any crime or not they’ll treat you like a criminal and punish you for existing.
We already have a legal system to deal with people who actually commit crimes.
Tom Cruise has gone on record against psychiatry. (No, I don’t want him for a celebrity spokesperson!) Funny how he never has connected the Pre-Crime Unit in The Minority Report with Psychiatry.
Only instead of predicting real crimes and preventing them, these would be Pre-Crime Police get violent criminals released for “good insight” and “meds compliance” like Eric Harris, Devin Kelley and countless others. As well as locking up peaceful, law-abiding citizens indefinitely. Because they MIGHT commit crimes someday you see. Due process be hanged.
We already have a police force and psychics with better track records than shrinks.
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“Insanity Providers” is a more accurate term for what they actually do.
“How Mental Health Professionals View the Rights of those They Shamed, Scapegoated and Damaged”?
Oh wait. It’s “service users.”
They deserved to be harmed. They wanted to be harmed. We harmed them for their own good.
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Well said.
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In Anatomy of an Epidemic, RW implies that psychiatry faced extinction back in the 60’s. We have counselors to help adults make better life choices as well as neurologists to treat real brain disorders and other specialties for medical problems that get labeled “SMI” by psychiatrists.
Why do we need psychiatrists when we already have yoga and meditation classes at the local YMCA and fitness trainers? There are also a few counselors who belong to the Choice Theory/Reality Therapy school of thought founded by William Glasser or the kind founded by Peter Breggin.
I’m not anti-therapy or counseling or whatever you choose to call it. Szasz himself practiced counseling “between consenting adults” if my fellow APs care to remember.
The APA has chosen to put not just profit but personal egos above the health and lives of those who trusted them. Proving they were honest-to-gosh doctors practicing a legitimate medical specialty, required real medicines, diagnoses, and surgeries.
Never mind that the “medicines” were addictive mind altering drugs similar to the street kind. Never mind their “diagnoses” had only the “expert’s” say so with no objective tests and consisted of insulting laundry lists of character traits which shrinks wrongly claim are lifelong. Never mind the psycho surgeries (SOME of the surgeons do resemble Norman Bates come to think of it) are only random acts of brain damage any semi-literate thug could perform with an icepick or wooden baseball bat. They proved they are Real Doctors. Which is all that counts.
The only thing I admire the APA for is their clever marketing techniques mixed with ingeniously packaged propaganda that would make Big Brother green with envy. Master Illusionists.
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As far as “Hysteria” and “BPD” go I also recommend They Call You Crazy by Paula DeCappa.
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I find your fourth paragraph interesting Dr. T. As a layperson i wouldn’t guess other specialists feel that way about psychiatry. They certainly hide it well from the public. Why is that?
i applaud your honesty in telling those who come to you for help that your pills restore nothing, but sometimes kill emotional pain.
As far as needing the drugs to kill the pain, how much of the pain was caused by social rejection/isolation and enforced idleness and poverty from getting the diagnosis and drugs to begin with? My SMI label nearly drove me to suicide since everyone turned on me.
Fled to where no one knows about it and I tapered off the soul killing drugs. Still on disability because of my Inflammatory Bowel Disease. Official diagnosis. I believe this is from long term SSRI use.
But I’m able to make friends, since I can understand social cues for the first time in my adult life. I am finally able to lose weight, shower regularly, and keep a clean house. People don’t shun me, or patronize me for a physical disability. For the first time in decades i feel like a human being again. 🙂
And i hope to start a tutoring business preparing high schoolers for SAT and ACT tests. The pay could help me earn a living working part time since my habits are frugal.
I never wanted to be unemployed forever. Many people in the system hate the enforced idleness, social isolation, and poverty. Do you think they knew what they were signing up for when they begged for a diagnosis and pills?
And yes–many do beg for these. You are perfectly right. Few of the fellow “consumers” could conceive that the drugs and labels played a role in the unemployment and alienation they often lamented.
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Too little too late.
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Had more than one mental worker tell me that.
If she had said all people of an ethnic minority were alike and should only date each other that would be racist.
Had a number of workers try to set me up with guys I didn’t like or enjoy being around. Guys with really poor cognitive skills (couldn’t read) and physically abusive. But “we’re all alike” you know. 😛
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I’m glad of that Bippyone.
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Allan Frances and others have been trying to cushion the fall for themselves.
And also remove a few cards to steady the structure. But the whole house is bound to fall anyhow.
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I told my last therapist I was glad the drugs wiped out my sex drive since my label, rolls of fat, and drug altered personality rendered me undateable.
She acted shocked. “Well–uh–why not ask Dr. X to change it?”
Me: “To what? You know an SSRI is a standard part of treatment for Bipolar cases.”
That shocked her as much as the news that the drugs killed my mojo and the “stigma” rendered me unattractive. She kept telling me to date “bipolars.” Said only one of those could understand someone like me. We’re all alike you know. 😛
None of the guys I went to group with was that bright or had anything in common with me. Besides being labeled SMI.
And the labels are so subjective and elastic they’re only meaningful as a legal status–depriving you of your rights as a citizen. Granting the psych system absolute, unquestioned authority over you.
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However, psychiatry is not satire.
Satire requires the ability to spot absurdities your average shrink does not possess.
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“Measuring How Wolves View Sheep’s Rights.”
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Since when has any tyrant VOLUNTARILY yielded his throne?
I wish this excellent site would focus more on reaching the mainstream. Those who don’t have a vested interest in keeping us segregated and ill.
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Why do they need legitimate tests when their fake ones bolster their credibility so nicely?
If they did find bio markers they would conceal them. Why? It would show how counter productive their brain destroying “treatments” are–doing the exact opposite of what their test subjects needed. Like bleeding cholera victims.
And then they could no longer tout their quack remedies. The whole field would be swallowed up by the real brain specialists–the neurologists.
Hence anything that doesn’t support the efficacy of their “treatments” (AKA any legitimate study) will be suppressed. Or spun beyond recognition to support their preconceived notions.
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I’m sorry Steven is gone.
From what I heard his cancer had spread into the bone rendering radiation unlikely to help him. 🙁
it was brave of him to work for a tyrant in the hope of bettering the lives of some of the victims.
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And furnish the dysfunctional family with a ready scapegoat. Designated by the high priest of the Church of Psychiatry.
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Psychiatry attaches balls and chains to those who struggle, then mocks them for the inability to run laps.
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I don’t see “service users rights'” ever happening. Especially when few “service users” are voluntary.
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And who will stop psychiatrists with grandiose thoughts who think they will achieve great things via poly-pharma, shocks, and psycho-surgery? That worries many here.
Lobotomies are making a comeback. But they say not to worry because it’s different. They mutilate your brain with lazars now–so that makes it okay.
BTW, people in mental “health” repeatedly called me delusional for pursuing a college degree and trying to start a career though my shrinks assured me my “meds” would make such a thing possible by rendering me independent and productive. I’m pretty sure the psych doctors themselves thought it was baloney but fed it to me to ensure “compliance” and yacht payments.
Does it count as harm to others if controlling family members get embarrassed by eccentricities and have the “loved” one committed instead of setting boundaries like reasonable people (not control freaks) would?
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Psychiatry has been compared to the creations of Orwell and Kafka on this site.
John Carpenter and Lovecraft also come to mind….
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I have failed at life thanks to psychiatry.
Completely alone thanks to the quacks. Nothing good can ever happen to me again.
I hate them. I hate all the simpletons who turn on their fellow humans just because shrinks tell them to.
Psychiatry has turned me into a full blown misanthrope. What those quacks live to do is ruin your life and make everyone turn on you.
Psychiatry is cancer.
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Hey! I liked Alice in Wonderland.
Please quit insulting it.
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Some here ask what psychiatry is good for.
You know one group they really help no one here mentions? Lazy hacks writing for Hollywood and publishing houses.
Without the grossly simplified view of humanity–portraying people as stereotypes and tropes instead of complex individuals–Grade D novelists and screen writers can grind out a bunch of material with minimal effort.
Why did that man murder those children?
Because he was mentally ill.
Yeah. But what was his motivation?
Mental illness.
Why did that woman cheat on her husband?
Mental illness.
Why did that man torture a puppy?
Mental illness.
Why did that character commit suicide? Did something bad happen offstage?
Nope. Mental illness.
Why did he rob a bank?
Mental illness. People don’t rob banks for money after all.
😀
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The APA can’t stand Peter Breggin either.
He’s the Conscience of Psychiatry after all. I’m sure every hardened killer views the conscience as his number 1 enemy to destroy. Hence psychiatry’s hatred for Breggin.
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My mom takes the idea that I “lost it” through trauma very personally.
She was determined to be the “perfect mother” when I was born and failed. She is not a bad woman and wasn’t abusive till psychiatrists told her I was defective when i was twenty.
But Mom could not protect me from the three times our family faced homelessness thanks to our idealistic, improvident father’s vocation. (A lot like the great Bronson Alcott.)
Mom’s crazy-making efforts to shelter me–my over sensitive, high strung personality worried her–backfired. She kept moving me from school to school to get me the “help” I needed so I wound up in SBD for a year where the teacher got frustrated by how smart I was. They were only equipped to deal with MMR kids.
After 2 months of homelessness in my teens we found a new place and I enrolled in a new school in a new city as a high school sophomore.
Had some highly sexualized bullying which traumatized me more than it would most girls due to my super modest, old fashioned background. Suffered severe anxiety in college which I saw a shrink for. He put me on an SSRI which drove me loopy.
Just one thing led to another and snow balled. I don’t blame Mom. But she does get defensive, saying there has always been “something wrong” with me.
She feels guilt at the idea she played a (minor) role in my suffering by encouraging my “meds compliance.” And she finds it hard to believe experts in pretty white coats and TV drug ads could deceive people.
i love Mom and find her ignorance easier to forgive than the malicious lies told by “well-informed” quacks.
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A good counselor should look out for abuse and help victims to escape instead of labeling them “SMI” and having the shrink put them on drugs.
All my counselors worked for “mental health” community centers. Hence their advice was nearly all worthless, based on the assumptions that 1. I needed my crippling, mind altering drugs to survive. 2. My accumulating list of pessimistic, defeatist labels proved how hopeless I was.
These are the only kind Medicaid covers. In theory I’m positive about ethical counselors or coaches who know what they’re doing and how people think. But that kind seldom works for your local mental center. Those who do burn out easily due to frustration at how “clients” never improve.
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Science doesn’t lie. But scientists and pseudo-scientists do. Especially if they get paid to lie.
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“Mental health” enables and encourages the abuser in human relationships.
One MI worker confided that few were ever “diagnosed” with “narcissism” or “sociopathy.” Those labels are not legitimate diseases but there are some evil people who don’t care how they hurt others. Psychiatrists almost never call them out.
Shrinks like that kind of people because they dress well and have excellent social skills. “MI” workers and serve as the abusers’ gullible patsies or sometimes willing accomplices. They despise the weak and suffering–loving to grind them into the ground with their heels.
The men who drew up the DSM have no idea how human beings think, feel or behave. You could probably get a better idea of human behaviors from a computer working entirely from algorithms.
Psychiatry’s mission: To afflict the afflicted and comfort the comfortable.
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What good is income security when it’s not enough to save you from homelessness? Even in the mid west.
And you can have your benefits revoked at any time through some bureaucratic bean counter’s carelessness.
A very few writers here have. Krista the ex-nurse for example. But it’s far harder than having a cancer diagnosis changed. You can actually prove someone has cancer.
“Schizophrenia” should be viewed as a legal designation rather than a medical one.
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Psychiatrists are not held to the standards of real doctors as you pointed out.
Yet they are granted legal powers no legitimate medical specialty has. And they are viewed as infallible mind readers and fortune tellers.
Shrinks think they are psychics. And western society shares their delusions.
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You’re not crazy. Who said you were crazy?
Yes, you’re completely irrational. Nothing you say should be taken seriously. You are definitely a danger if left untreated. Your complaints are all proofs of your psychotic lack of insight.
Innately defective yes. Lacking empathy. Potential serial killer without my help. Flawed at your core due to being born a genetic throwback.
All your thoughts and emotions are merely symptoms. Meaningless projections of your broken brain.
But you’re definitely not crazy!
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Don’t forget that:
1. The “mentally ill” are monsters
2. The “mentally ill” mean yes when they say no
3. Most of the “mentally ill” eventually relax and enjoy their “meds”
4. Normal people don’t get labeled and locked up
5. Psychiatrists are only guilty of minor wrong doing when they lie to and about their ‘consumers”
Psychiatry is bolstered by the cultural view that all psychiatrists are irreproachable gods and all they treat are dangerous AND irrational.
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Psychiatry creates disability and poverty.
It’s not just the disabling drugs causing the poverty but the discrimination from the labels and demonizing which shrinks actively promote on national TV.
Plus the drugs cause most of the “symptoms” attributed to “mental illness.” Flattened emotional expressions, irritable (common with brain damage), lowered empathy, disorganization.
Along with obesity and seizures–also iatrogenic in origin. It’s hard to “pass” when on these things. I can only now act in socially appropriate ways after spending most of my adulthood on a cocktail.
I feel like some fast talking con swindeled me with a shell and nuts game. A carnie would have been happy with my wallet. But Psychiatry took my being and would have tortured me till I died if permitted. I only put up with it out of fear of a repeat of the psychotic mania created by an SSRI which the quack blamed on ME.
Shrinks cause the amygdala and frontal lobes to shrivel up, then write papers and give lectures on how their “patients” are hopelessly antisocial, stupid and lazy. Genetically inferior defectives fit only to experiment on.
You damaged our brains, “doctors.” Now what’s YOUR excuse for your own moral impairments?
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So involuntary hospitalization is associated with lack of insight and poor med compliance.
Translation: If you argue with your psychiatrist and refuse his drugs he’ll probably lock you up.
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“ACT” or “Assisted Community Treatment” is a euphemism for Pharmacological Torture.
The definition of Pharmacological Torture is the use of drugs–including psychotropic–to punish a person. The aim is to force compliance by causing distress. This can be in the form of pain, anxiety, psychological disturbance (ironic huh?), immobilization, and/or disorientation.
Only with Psychiatry it doesn’t matter how “good” you are in some cases. They’re Hell bent on tormenting people till they die.
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Hugs=straight jackets.
Get Big Pharma to mass produce those. And get the marketing/propaganda agents to work.
Publish a bunch of articles on various sites and magazines. “Science Has Shown Therapeutic Value in Straight Jackets!” “Straight Jackets Now Proven Highly Effective for Depression and Anxiety!” “Straight Jackets Valid Modality of Treatment for ADHD!”
Real SCIENCE folks. 😀
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Scary!
In America at least our records don’t follow us. Yet.
I’m forced to use Medicaid. But i tell people I’m on disability for IBD. I actually have the diagnosis and see a GI and cancer specialist for it. (Can’t absorb iron and other nutrients.)
Ironically my condition was caused by long term psych drug use–though no one will admit it. My heart is better, no longer pre diabetic, and have lost 50+ pounds and still losing. In my forties. For the first time.
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That’s a great idea Frank.
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Okay. Point taken.
28 x 3 = 84
Still less than half the number.
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I think dr-reid-piz is a psychiatrist, Steve. Hence his decrying OUR lack of a medical background.
They “diagnose” us by our own admissions and drug us. When we tell them the drugs keep us from sleeping and cause terrifying hallucinations they joyfully tell our loved ones how hopelessly insane we are and that our lives are ruined. (No longer human.) Our fault when the pills cause that reaction.
Once they have damned us by our own words (usually) they make it so our words count for nothing. The only words that are to be taken seriously are those that show insight into our condition.
“Gee Dr. X, you’re so smart. Gee, these new pills make me feel great all the time. Yes I know I have Diagnosis X. It’s a bummer. Glad I have such a kind, smart doctor like you Dr. X.” All taken as proofs of how well we are doing.
Then we go home, depressed but too drugged to cry. Can’t stop suicidal thoughts. Barf our guts up or binge uncontrollably since we can’t feel full and sleep 12 hours in the HUD room we can’t clean. A happy, productive life according to psychiatry.
No other doctors blame patients for reactions to penicillin or anesthetic or pain pills. They immediately take them off.
Shrinks don’t seem to care if their “safe, effective treatments” cause grand mal seizures and heart attacks. Lost two friends that way. 🙁 Not like our lives count.
I know my GP diagnosed me with heart arrhythmia, IBD causing pernicious anemia, and prediabetes. All those real medical conditions are better now. And my weight is going down.
Psychiatry was slowly killing me. If it were anyone but the SMI being harmed this way psychiatrists would be treated like Farid Fata.
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No “patient” who knows what’s good for them ever complains about their pills. They never listen to anything we say unless it’s to praise them and their pills making us so dizzy we can’t walk, nauseated, unable to read, doubling our weight.
Psychiatrists for the most part hear what they want and attribute everything else to “lack of insight.”
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Hugs Francesca!
The only cure I could find for my “bipolar” was fleeing the MI System.
The drugs were actually causing my mood swings and hallucinations. Though I think “good insight” also plays a role.
William Glasser described “psychotic” hallucinations as “creative symptoms.” Of course mind altering drugs just add a new element to the mix.
We need to offer real, human help to those like you in need, Francesca.
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I have experienced a reasonable facsimile of Hell between my ears.
Courtesy of the Church of Psychiatry.
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Says Doc Karadzic went from psychiatry to New Age “quantum medicine.” LOL
Funny how shrinks so often turn to demagoguery too. Psychiatry is more about politics than medicine.
Read 1984. In the part where O’Brien tortures Smith he uses psychiatric jargon. Including “saving you from yourself” and warning him he needs to be made “sane.”
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Thank you Robert Whitaker and everyone else at MIA.
Without the support I found here (and also SA which I heard about through this site) I could not have come off my drugs due to the debilitating withdrawals after 25 years of being the “perfect consumer.”
The scariest decision I ever made. But worth it.
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Ah. That’s the bee you have in your bonnet, Oldhead. 🙂
Yes. I believe Itay Kander failed to put “mental health” in quotes. Not an anti psychiatry piece.
But I have read worse. Even on MIA.
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I notice a lot of good counselors–ignorant of how psych “treatments” work–get frustrated at how apathetic and helpless their “SMI” people remain. Not knowing the drugs aren’t supposed to make you independent and productive but childish and docile. Like a house pet rather than a grown up. Or a “mentally handicapped” person who wasn’t that way till Psychiatry had its way with them.
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The Placebo Effect can be highly effective. Depression is a mood based on beliefs after all.
I think that’s why so many people who accept their MI status turn on the messenger. You’re spoiling their placebo effects.
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The pills shut people up. The labels discredit whatever they can still say.
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Many of us who sought help got the exact opposite.
Gaslighting is the word. 🙁
“Just like insulin for diabetes.” “Antidepressants wouldn’t drive you psychotic if you weren’t already born defective.” “You’re just imagining or faking those seizures since Haldol never has that effect on anyone.”
Lie on top of lie.
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If by “capitalism” you mean selfishness and greed, then I am 100% opposed.
But these are attitudes. Not an economic system.
Great religious figures like St. Francis of Assisi, Mother Theresa of Calcutta, just about all Catholic saints, John Wesley, George Mueller, A.W. Toser embraced lives of voluntary poverty. The key word being VOLUNTARY.
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Bippyone the world is not well.
Everyone knows this. They need scapegoats badly to project their own darkness onto.
One reason psychiatry is so popular with the mainstream. By blaming all crimes on “mental illness” not only can they make the public feel secure from violent crimes but from the fact that they too have shadows that Dr. Quackenbush is ill equipped to save anyone from. He himself is overpowered by his own shadow.
Sorry about your son. I guess it’s good I never had kids. They would have been taken by the state and viewed as “bipolar” at birth most likely by virtue of being mine. 🙁
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Is this supposed to be a GOOD thing?
Now the kids will be drugged up and detained indefinitely once they get labeled “bipolar” or “schizophrenic” to justify it. It will also excuse inhumane conditions that would not be acceptable for the “normal” in America.
I call BS on this fake compassion. 😛
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And as our good friend Bob Whitaker has shown, there’s a definite link between poverty/unemployment and psychiatric “help.”
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Those homes can be very depressing. Unhappiness at living in one just shows you’re still with it.
Other studies have shown the only long term benefits from SSRI’s come from the placebo effect. So this is not news to MIA readers.
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Do you have a legal background PD?
If so, maybe you could offer advice here.
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Generalizations are what you’ll find between the covers of the DSM.
Psychiatry can only deal with generalities. Not individual people.
Hence “mental health’s” intrinsically authoritarian nature.
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I love this!
Mental illnesses are what psychiatrists call their fellow men and women.
Dehumanized as their victims are, the “mental health” professionals dehumanize themselves still more as they embrace the roles of devils.
The brain is not the soul. There is a part of us they cannot destroy–try as they may.
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Shrinks get major kickbacks from Big Pharma–often directly but always in the form of “little” gifts tallying up to $2,000-3,000 a year per company of tax free goodies.
No $$$$$$$ in lobotomies nowadays. If the APA changes its tune rest assured Big Pharma invented a fancy machine that does lazar lobotomies and is shelling out mega bucks for anyone morally bankrupt enough to shill them. Lucky for them that psychiatry exists.
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That’s why I’m not an anarchist.
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Yeah. According to Anatomy of an Epidemic, the psychiatrist who first used a drug to “treat” the “insane” praised it as a chemical lobotomy.
Now that lobotomies are no longer fashionable, but neuroleptics are most psychiatrists would like to forget that quote. Along with words like “drapetomania” and “hysterics.”
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“Transfer some of the powers of arrest…”
Yep. All about POWER for them. Broohahaha.
Every now and then a shrink comes here to complain that’s he’s not getting enough $$$$$$ from Uncle Sam yet–despite the billions more added to the mental illness regime every year. And they don’t have absolute authority as sovereign monarchs either but must answer to the President of the United States for their actions. 😀
I’m sure these tales of woe must bring tears to the eyes of anyone whose CNS is not too damaged to cry.
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Like Cotton Matther presiding over the Salem Witch Trials.
We know who the Others to fear are when the Witch Hunters point them out to us.
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I thought this was written by Bruce Levine from the title. I was wrong.
Good article Itay Kander. Though I’m not an anarchist, I believe in minimal government.
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Convincing people (and all around them) that they’re broken machines, incapable of rational thought, ethical behavior or responsible decisions can be dehumanizing and lead them to view themselves as mere objects.
Wow!
The authors were Castro, Diniz and Bernandes. Maybe Dr. Obvious was a ghost writer.
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Only my faith–which some call irrational–that all will be made right and those who do evil will not be allowed to continue forever keeps me going.
Forgiveness means determining to do your enemy good–if you can–and not seek personal revenge.
It does not mean:
Calling evil actions good.
Thinking your enemy is a great guy.
Feeling good about the damage done.
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Congratulations! 🙂
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“Please be normal.”
But understand “normal” is defined completely in negatives.
If the “loved one” doesn’t say embarrassing things or wear embarrassing clothes–but only those put out for him by his good/kind mommy, never goes places or expresses interest in girls (sure sign of SMI), never reads books or web articles the NAMI mommy disapproves of he is making progress.
By this definition the best progress would be a life long coma. Only he might not technically gain good insight since he can’t parrot back his disorder from his shrink.
NAMI thinks it’s an improvement when someone attending college on honors two weeks before can almost wash dishes–unassisted.
Not being able to smile or weep, speaking in slow, halting sentences, doubling your weight in a year, lifelong unemployment in a HUD ghetto or institution, alienation, sleeping 12 hours a day, seizures and dying before 53 are all “normal” things we should aim for by NAMI standards.
Yikes!
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NAMI sends folks to wakes of suicides?
Do you think they’re trying to cover for the role psych drugs play in so many?
Disgusting vultures! No shame at all. Anywhere to promote their cultish ideology.
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I was very angry when I found out I had been lied to. For years I lived in terror of not getting my “meds” refilled or having them suddenly “stop working” as the NAMI leaders and babysitters at the mental center repeatedly warned us.
Totally dependent on the drugs and all the “sane” people. I knew I was powerless to change my life or make any rational choices. Chalk it up to “good insight.”
They told me the “mentally ill” are helpless and stupid even on their “meds.” But evil when taken off.
You know what’s really evil?
Lying to trick someone into taking addictive, mind altering drugs is pretty darn evil. Worse than anything Walter White ever tried.
I read a post on Pete Earley’s blog where the Not-My-Father-of-the-Year said it was a no big deal lying about it. Apparently all the high ranking NAMI mommies are in on the hoax.
I have nothing good to say about that organization now. Though letting my young friend die from a neuroleptic grand mal seizure should have clued me in.
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“We can’t prove it but we know there must be brain problems. Where? How much? What kind?
“Who cares?
“We gotta cut or amputate something! Or at least throw some drugs at it.” 😛
Psychiatry in a nutshell.
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My suicidal urges melted away after I had lowered my effexor more than 50%.
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“The inmates are running the asylums.” And their treatments kill larger numbers of people than the “mentally ill” killers these self-anointed messiahs claim to be saving the world from.
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Richard and Noel are both right.
“Scientism” is pseudo science.
Genetics is legitimate science. Eugenics is scientism or fake science.
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Rosalee, I believe they act that way because they choose to. Unscientific and old fashioned of me I know.
IQ, height, bone size, hair color are hereditary traits. But good and evil are not.
Poor cognitive skills are not the same as greed, violence, or the burning desire to control others. As far as those traits go I guess not-so-bright underdogs can have them too. But they hurt far fewer people than intelligent, highly educated medical experts lacking conscience and compassion.
Most people with low intelligence I know are unusually sweet and kind. Their warm, generous hearts should put the smarties to shame.
Attributing wickedness to weakness and stupidity (aka bad genes) doesn’t cut it. Hitler did not start World War II because of weakness or stupidity.
Weakness is not a crime. But the APA has basically classified it as such.
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Psychiatry is older than pharma psychiatry.
Drugging large numbers of people outside institutions is a recent development. It didn’t take off till the eighties or nineties.
“Independent, PRODUCTIVE life” is more what I meant to say.
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Yes it would! Money could save me from homelessness.
Homelessness is poor quality life.
SSI does not cover rent. Even in my state. Living in a garage with no running water now.
My sister is allergic to penicillin but no doctor forces her to take it. That’s because she doesn’t deal with shrinks.
My shrinks never listened to anything negative. Just what they wanted to hear. And blamed my crazy, drug-induced thinking on me–or my “illness.”
A life on disability in a ghetto for the SMI is “what works” as far as shrinks are concerned. And dying in our early fifties. Read RW’s Mad in America and Anatomy of an Epidemic as far as viewing the majority of outcomes.
Would you want the rest of us forced to take what was killing us? That’s what this site is about.
Not about forcing happy consumers like you to quit.
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Murder is murder. Whether it occurs in camps or “hospitals.”
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Been thinking. We’re little fish being torn up by two sea monsters.
Turn these parties on each other. Here’s how.
See if the Democrats could “compromise” by not demanding gun restrictions on the condition that ALL gun owners be forced to take a battery of a dozen tests for mental illness by a psychiatrist or forfeit the right to bear arms.
Once 50% of the NRA has been labeled this will bite Sen. Cornyn and other politicians promoting RESPONSE in the butt.
I was hoping liberal Torrey or someone similar would try to use his pseudo medical authority to remove Trump. Turning half of America against the APA. But he knew it would tip his hand to how his faux science is just a political weapon.
Persuade Democrat lawmakers who aren’t “in the know” to force these tests. The NRA members–and many others–will soon discover how dangerous psychiatry is to the liberties of ALL Americans.
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Anyone consider a big thing behind all these mass killings, besides drugs, is a vicious contempt for human life?
Human lives do not matter in Western Culture.
“Mentally ill” loners gun down or knife the innocent who have done them no harm out of this contempt for their fellow humans. It helps make them feel big and important.
Psychiatrists and demagogues (IS there a difference?) have learned how to express their contempt for humanity in socially acceptable ways.
Like the lone shooters but smarter and successful.
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I thought it was about packing the asylums so “defectives” won’t breed. What the APA’s true agenda remains.
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Getting deprived of liberty–or sometimes life itself–is far worse than having your toys taken away.
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Paranoia of the masses.
Psychic psychiatrists claim they can foretell the future and read minds to weed out criminals BEFORE they break the law and punish them accordingly. The gullible herd is scared of the dangerous “crazies” and Dr. Shrinkenstein offers to save them from the monsters he creates.
“But it’s treatment–not punishment,” Norman Normal argues.
Ask Norm to take a cocktail and he’ll argue “I don’t need it. I’m not sick.’
Diagnose Norm with Agosognosia AND Schizophrenia. 🙂
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The drugs are meant to pacify and cripple would-be criminals. (SSRI drugs do a mighty bad job of that.) They are NOT meant to help anyone think clearly, live independently, nor add longevity. Shackles and muzzles–not health is what psychiatry offers.
Crippling and segregation is the work of Psychiatry! Punishing “defectives” for the crime of existence.
These drugs and labels force potential workers out of the work place, forcing us to live off the pittance doled out in smaller and smaller amounts to greater and greater numbers. There is a real lack of HUD. Regular housing is hopelessly expensive on less than $800 a month.
Institutions cost more. Yet Big Brother is intent on increasing the latter.
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If PTSD is proof of defective genetics what about veterans who lose a limb or two?
Well if they hadn’t had defective genes then stepping on that land mine wouldn’t have blown off their legs now, would it?
Eugenics is tied to the idea that all crimes–especially bizarre, violent ones–are committed by Criminal Types. The Poor Stock Lovecraft loved to rant about before WWII. Not just POC if you read up on eugenics.
All bad behaviors are hereditary. Hence it’s justifiable to injure/imprison/kill “defective criminal types” innocent of wrong doing.
Psych treatments DO KILL quite often. But as long as the intention was not to kill, it can’t be held against them legally.
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Yep. One of those “moderate” articles published to show MIA is not too anti psychiatry and (hopefully) score points with members of the APA and other big shots.
You can find pieces like this all over. Guardian, Psychology Today, etc. College sites too. Talk of “culture” could make it a shoe-in for the psychology department’s website.
Nothing distinctively MIA about it.
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Amen. My mom told me the other night she always knew there was Something Wrong with me.
My IQ was “too high” and I was “too imaginative.” Abnormally so.
If not for the Procrustean bed of pharma psychiatry who knows where i might have wound up? Hmm.
Friends and family…financial solvency…career…functional intestines…thank goodness my quack saved me from such horrible things!
🙁
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I’m glad you are happy Bippyone.
My health, reputation, and finances are wrecked thanks to psychiatry. Poverty/alienation/autoimmune diseases/messed up gut did NOT help my happiness.
All thanks to an SSRI allergy my shrink blamed me for. Always the consumer’s fault.
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Near the end of his biography of Virginia Woolf. My Madness Saved Me. Will have to look it up and email the reference to you OH.
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And I agree with Szazs that this absolute power corrupted the church and ruined the good it once did.
The founding fathers knew the dangers of a state church just like they did a monarchy. The Church of Psychiatry sneaked in by posing as something else entirely.
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This site is supposed to criticize psychiatry. Not condemn religion. But if Dr. K wants to compare psychiatry to religion I agree.
And if a church did what psychiatry does the law would come after them. Kidnapping apostates, locking them in the church basement for pharma torture and other psychological abuse till they recanted (gained “insight.”)
Psychiatry is more dangerous than any cult because they have legal powers no clergy nor doctors have. Accountable to no one–least of all those they claim to serve. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Dr. K the pills don’t “work” in anything permanent. They aren’t supposed to. They make life worse and cause dependency.
They want drug addicts. Pure and simple. Healthy people=no $$$$$$$ for dealers.
I got fed up when They kept telling us how great our lives were when we were poor/segregated/really sick/morbidly obese/miserable.
The more “help” we got the faster we deteriorated.
Neither our quality nor quantity of life were better. When I found out certain psychiatrists like Glasser said the drugs messed up your thinking worse than ever I realized I would have to flee the MI System.
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I was just ribbing you OH. 😀
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Thanks for this article. I limit my own screen time Dr. Wedge.
Does “autism” exist? Is it bad or simply different?
If the kid can get along with others and learn what’s needed to “adult” why do they need a label?
Whether autism is real or not I would avoid getting my child “diagnosed.” A boy in Tasmania diagnosed as autistic with epilepsy wound up in the hospital for a seizure. A doctor–knowing he was dangerously allergic to neuroleptics–put him on massive doses that caused his brain to swell, killing him. The doctor said she would do the same thing over anyhow since he would have wound up in an institution. He was headed for college.
My guess is a big reason for all the autistic diagnoses is an excuse to sell more drugs. And–I suspect–legally off them (indirectly) like that creepy doctor down under did.
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Well some people seem proud of it. A little different than SMI labels that way.
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A lot of young people are proud of being called autistic I guess. Beats licking ice cream in Youtube videos for attention. Or eating Tide Pods. And as screen junkies they see limiting a toddler’s screen time as worse than starving or exposing to the elements.
I prefer fitting in and refuse to get an evaluation. Hate being viewed as a freak!
If I can act normally in public and “pass” that’s what counts. The System sucks at integration. Whether labels or pills.
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“Virtual autism” is not the same as the regular kind.
According to the article.
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I always acted ‘weird.” My parents took great pains to socialize me by reminding me to look people in the eye and observe other social cues and nuances. (May have led to my social phobias later.)
A friend suggested I get diagnosed with Aspergers to cancel out my Bipolar 2 “diagnosis.” I patiently explained to her that’s not how it works.
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High school bullying literally drove me crazy. Wound up in Charter Hospital for Children for 2 weeks. “Too sensitive” I guess.
Funny how victims of bullying are more apt to wind up labeled than bullies themselves. Maybe because shrinks automatically side with the Strong as part of psychiatry’s intrinsic social Darwinism. Weeding out the Unfit who lack proper levels of Gemute.
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Sadly, like the clergy, most psychologists prefer to go along with the tide of bio determinism/social Darwinism.
The fact that most work under shrinks at local mental illness centers does not help.
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State churches ARE tools of social control.
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I’m a Christian too.
I thought this site was for criticizing psychiatry. Not religion.
I agree with the premise that psychiatry is a religion/philosophy rather than a science. Dare I say the APA is our new State Church?
As far as KindRegards’s last sentence, even if a grateful consumer believes in psych drugs the “placebo effect” is pretty limited. Personal experience speaking. 🙂
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“Blue pill” was a pop culture reference. Have you seen The Matrix?
It means going along with the status quo and mindlessly accepting the mainstream narrative.
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Or that our distaste for psychiatry MUST be put in our heads by Scientologists.
A great example of a false dilemma.
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Nice article Dr. K.
But many religious people do NOT believe God automatically heals those who pray. I have been praying for healing from the harm my stay in the Church of Psychiatry created. Still sickly.
The Bible contains many examples of sick or disabled people–good people–who were not healed.
I think He may be saying, “My grace is sufficient for you.” At least my soul is better. 🙂
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And you call yourself a liberal OH? Tsk tsk.
😀
Alleviating loneliness is commendable but it’s not the government’s job. Actually what Sanders describes is increasing material goods–money, food, etc.
It still does not deal with isolation or alienation. These depend on community groups such as churches/senior centers, individuals who will visit shut ins, and the willingness of seniors to reach out to others in retirement instead of chilling in front of the tube 15 hours a day.
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5 or 6 digit salary.
Some art history graduates would disagree. 😀
Maybe you meant blue pill instead of collar.
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Psychology is a very soft science if not a branch of the humanities like history or anthropology.
Psychiatry is a pseudo science. Psychology has been poisoned by buying into its unduly pessimistic, brutal view of “defective criminal types.” AKA social Darwinism.
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Dr. Gnaulti what is “benign envy”?
Is it what used to be called emulation?
Not sure what you mean by “healthy pride” either.
Thinking one is inherently better than all others sounds like the mindset of the “successful” bio determinist.
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Caffeine used to be necessary for my writing.
I remember when I started on stelazine (6 mg) I lost my zest for life but could write more. Though the stuff was dryer. Like how Ritalin is supposed to work.
(May have spelled both wrong. Spell check doesn’t like them.)
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Back before the 19th century it was understood that love and care could “cure” someone who was out of it. Shakespeare had Cordelia love King Lear back from his madness. Mary Shelley had Victor Frankenstein’s friends nurse him back in Frankenstein as well as Prince’s Adrian’s in The Last Man.
Lucky for shrinks people don’t read much nowadays.
My “psychosis” was caused by the SSRI they had me on. After the drug induced episode they doped me up on 10 mg of Haldol and everyone at college shunned me.
Forced to live with my parents who found my zombie state hard to cope with and Mom took my psych label personally. Total alienation. It’s amazing I “came back” at all.
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All mass murderers are supposedly “mentally ill.’
Good and evil are unacceptable words now. By blaming a select group for all the vices of humanity, the mainstream absolves itself.
And it sounds so SCIENTIFIC. 😛
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bipolar-disorder-diagnosis_n_880851
If the link doesn’t work copy and paste.
Of course this is just children. But it’s in the past ten years.
Psychiatry is the minotaur devouring our children. We need a Theseus.
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You COULD make a break for it by crossing state lines. If you really wanted to.
Others have.
If you earn over $9,000 a year writing online you could brush up on your Spanish and migrate to Argentina. I may do that.
No AOT for me right now. But all this talk of imprisoning and torturing (AKA treating) a bunch of us for the crimes of a few murderous individuals scares me.
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Ironically, bizarre ideas like Flat Earthism are flourishing. Why? Because people are growing skeptical of the media…including SCIENCE driven sites.
This dogmatism–refusing to even discuss the opposing viewpoint–shows intellectual laziness at best. Lack of evidence at worse.
This is why the anti-vaxxer movement is growing. Not despite–but because of the militant censorship. I’m for vaccines myself (except maybe the flu kind) but the means the medical establishment has taken to silence the voices has backfired. Even some of them are admitting it.
I agree with the anti-vaxxers that the bureaucrats running the medical system do NOT have our best interests at heart. Something a lot of people know or suspect to be true.
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Okay. So they also wrote the review for this site?
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Dr. Mengele would indeed be proud. 🙁
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Since these safe and effective treatments came out “bipolar” cases have gone up 3,900%.
It seems to this layperson (with no psychiatric career to protect) that nearly all “bipolar” cases are iatrogenic in origin. Stay away from shrinks and you won’t develop the mood swings associated with it.
Mine started and ended with my “treatment.”
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They’re finally forced to fess up because they can’t hide it any more.
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Who wrote this review?
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Yeah it is pro-“meds” Sera. I thought the same.
BTW, the Mental Illness System only seems broken to those who go to it for help. Psychiatry exists to create outcasts who will never be believed. To exonerate those who bully and abuse the scapegoats it appoints, enhancing the self esteem of the “normal.” And–above all–sell as many drugs as possible by whatever means possible and silence those damaged by the drugs.
Do you want to achieve these goals?
1. Become an outcast.
2. Never have anyone believe you.
3. Have the whole world bully you.
4. Spend life caught in an abusive situation where the law always sides with your abuser.
5. Have your human needs automatically ignored and dismissed by everyone.
6. “Volunteer” (more or less) to participate in terrifying experiments which should only exist in horror flicks.
If so be sure to seek out help at the nearest mental center.
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As RW stated in Anatomy of an Epidemic, “There is nothing SIDE about them.”
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I agree that psychiatry has got to go. The system is inherently flawed–because it is built on the faulty foundation of social darwinism and views human beings solely through the lens of biodeterminism.
Perhaps trying to eradicate psychiatry is unrealistic. But not as unrealistic is hoping psychiatrists will willingly forego their absolute authority just to be nice.
As Jimmy Stewart said in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington: The only causes worth fighting for are the lost ones.
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Please consider addressing the mainstream, Indigo. They do not have an ax to grind in keeping the MI System intact.
Since more people are experiencing emotional pain now–and pharma-psychiatry’s overwhelming appetite for more “consumers” knows no bounds–psychiatry is effecting us more than ever.
It is everyone’s concern now. Not just a handful of unusual criminals, people who think they’re Napoleon, and catatonics.
Anyone could get psychiatrized. People need to know the truth.
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I don’t think Dr. Josef Mengele would have taken kindly to his former patients’ complaints if he had been offered tenure for his scientific endeavors.
While he was never punished for his crimes against humanity at least he was forced to quit hurting people. 🙁
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Or even “critical” consumers.
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“I see a need for more paying gigs outside of the ‘mental health’ sickness system itself.”
Great point Frank!
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Punish all awkward misfits for crimes they have yet to commit on one quack’s say so.
Due process be damned.
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I am very hopeful now.
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Many of us here refuse to consume. We have suffered enough at the hands of those claiming to want to help us through random iatrogenic damage. All we ask from “mental health” is to be left alone. (Though public exoneration would be nice.)
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Screaming, “Witch!!!” at too many people brought the Salem Witch Trials to a close.
In its insatiable greed for more cash cows to milk the Mental Illness Dairy may have overreached itself.
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Good for you.
Leaving your family is not just necessary for you but it provides an opportunity for them to face what’s wrong with themselves. Whether they change and grow is up to them. Out of your hands now.
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Torrey has been promoting more institutions. When not touting AOT.
I think he’s talking out both sides of his mouth and hoping no one notices.
There is less HUD now which costs less than institutionalizing people. But thanks to all the scapegoating Torrey and others have built careers on, people want to round up all the “mentally ill” and lock them away to rot.
A lot of people will commit suicide if this happens. And my guess is when the asylums overflow the “doctors” will take a page from Hitler’s finest and kill people through “natural causes” like starvation, exposure to extreme temperatures, refusing insulin for the diabetes their profession already inflicted. Humane isn’t it?
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It’s such a good thing NO ONE in the psychiatric system EVER commits suicide.
That’s why we must label, disable and segregate even larger numbers of people. Nothing like poverty and isolation for suicide prevention. 😛
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All “mentally ill” people aren’t on the streets. Where did he get this BS?
The streets OR institutions. Nice example of a false dilemma.
I’d wager few MIA readers live in either situation.
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Forget disinheriting.
Many would be overjoyed simply to have abusive, controlling relatives leave them alone.
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Maybe use their medical knowledge to undo the damage of orthodox colleagues.
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Still healing from the marvels which psychiatry hath wrought. No metaphor.
I could more fully appreciate the genre of body horror–if my stomach weren’t so weak. LOL
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“Voc rehab” is a joke.
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Well said.
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Yeah. Mom thought the Haldol helped me more because it kept me from saying stuff that bugged her. A less potent drug let me talk on and on about how miserable I was I would never have a life. Too numb to turn my mouth off.
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I think when PD uses the words “recovery” or “healing” they’re not referring to recovery from pneumonia nor healing a broken leg. More like buzzwords of certain groups they dislike.
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I’m all for better diet and nutrition myself. You can test for deficiencies in iron and B12 and other stuff.
Long term psychiatry messed up my gut so I need supplements. B12 shots every month and iron infusions every winter.
Counterproductive to helping anemia or vitamin deficiencies.
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I’m grateful to RW for his research and writings. But long before he came along we had MDs like William Glasser, Peter Breggin, and Szazs calling out the quacks.
“Are you a doctor? No? Then you have no business criticizing Toxic Psychiatry.” Say that at a NAMI convention. I dare you. 😀
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I thought you weren’t supposed to carry a firearm if you are “mentally ill.”
If you believe Psychiatry is true you should force suicidal cops into desk jobs.
This is not just wrong but stupid. I wonder how many “well-informed” shrinks are behind this. Something tells me they are cringing if they are aware of it.
But maybe this is a calculated move to cause police to go “postal.” More free publicity and more guest spots on TV shows to stir up mass hysteria about how “all them untreated crazies” are a menace but Old Doc Pillshill has the cure for murder if only the tax-payers will fork over the additional $$$$$$$ he feels entitled to.
By “broken system” Doc Pillshill means less buck for his bangs.
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“Being Labeled With ‘Common Mental Disorder’ Ensures Loneliness.”
That was MUCH more accurate. Stay as far away from shrinks as possible. They will ruin your life in every way imaginable.
39 out of 40 cases of “Bipolar” would not occur without “help” from pharma-psychiatry. And they always blame the patient for bad reactions. My sister is allergic to penicillin but has never been punished for it.
Shrinks are different though since they write their victims off as crazy, thereby evading accountability to anyone. Psychiatry means never saying you’re sorry.
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More people are on drugs than ever. If drugs are so good why are they complaining since 20% of the population is on them?
40 years ago almost none of these drugs existed. And fewer people lived on disability or committed mass shootings.
BTW my drugs never made me feel better. They made me sick and miserable while I willingly took them for 24 years. Not because I enjoyed it! That’s the real reason people go off them. They ruin your ability to think at all. Because the doctors warned me I might kill someone and I was trying to do the right thing. Unlike them.
What do shrinks plan on doing with more tax money? Slicker marketing, and more lavish summer homes and yachts while they force their victims to live on disability in the MI ghettos or locked away in institutions. (Because they created Hell between their ears.)
Homelessness bugs them since they can’t bill the state for empty warehouses and bridges the way they can “homes.”
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Precisely!
We don’t need psychiatry since the penal system already exists. And convicted felons have more rights than mental “patients” in our culture.
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I was in a fowl temper when I wrote that.
For what it’s worth I have sought reconciliation with Kimmy and others. My own actions were often far from saintly. None of us knew the drugs were making it hard for me to behave.
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As far as protecting the public we already have the penal system. This is understood to be punishment so it’s limited to an acceptable degree. But because psychiatry pretends to be medicine instead of a punitive system they get away with all kinds of BS the legal system never could.
Such as denial of due process. Cruel and unusual punishments. Extended, indefinite imprisonments based solely on the whim of the warden. And treating harmless eccentrics, those with TBI, and unhappy loners exactly the same way as violent criminals.
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Never been to a psychiatric court hearing. But this Monty Python skit looks about as scientifically reliable as one. LOL
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“Terrorists and paedophiles.” You forgot mass shooters.
Only shrinks claim to be able to discover these people BEFORE they actually commit crimes of rape or murder. Psychic psychiatry. Then they have the right to inflict cruel, unusual punishments on them. Due process?
“Darn it Jim, I’m a doctor. Not a judge and jury!”
I thought the belief that you can read minds or see into the future was a symptom of “severe mental illness” but every good tyrant is above his own laws.
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I am depressed. My health is poor from long term drug use. Too sick and old to start over.
And I’m lonely. My past will haunt me forever and the shame of being accused for violent crimes I never committed. (What an SMI label is all about.) So close friendships are impossible.
No “mental illness” required. My life just stinks.
I have the right to be depressed for crying out loud!
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Yep. If you’re surrounded by jerks unhappiness is a healthy response.
People used to drink to cope with the jerks in their lives.
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So sick I could barely get up today thanks to years on a “cocktail.”
I’m afraid to tell people at my church why I’m sick, broke, and alone since they’ll treat me horribly. I got kicked out of a religious college since the dorm mom blamed me for acting weird and having seizures on 10 mg of Haldol.
“If Rachel were only taking her meds she would be great with a smile on her face, friendly, happy, improved hygiene. And they never, ever cause seizures.” That was Kimmy’s excuse for booting me off campus.
In vain I protested that I was taking them exactly as prescribed. No one believed me. Know why? No one cared as long as they had an excuse to get rid of me.
Recycle plastic, but people can be thrown away since they are biodegradable and make great compost.
Those like Kimmy are more than happy to throw everyone like me under a bus since all they want are pretty, rich couples with kids and their own homes.
They don’t give a damn if “crazies” lose jobs, can’t think straight, lose everyone they love, get horribly sick and die on the streets. Psychiatric nurses and psycho-therapists are rich and respectable and bring money into the church by touting the lie. If they believe it, their ignorance is appalling. Apparently they don’t read any articles from the journals of their profession.
And when people take their very bad advice and go on SSRI Drugs because the family cat died and can’t sleep for 3 weeks/have an “episode” and wind up labeled Bipolar and on a cocktail of 6 drugs, unable to work or interact normally in polite society these same people will warn them to stay away from the nursery, gossip about how crazy they are at lady’s luncheons the “bipolar” is no longer invited to, and calculate how best to freeze her out so she’ll leave. 🙁
Their love is as phony as the science of psychiatry. I call BS on it! 😛
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Elizabeth it’s funny how many churches teach the members that psychiatry is the cure for emotional pain and host NAMI in the church basement. One mega church I attended had the nurse and counselor from the local mental illness center get up and preach the Gospel of Psychiatry. How Science has proven we have chemical imbalances in our brains to cause depression etc. and only “meds” can save us.
Why has organized religion sold out to psychiatry? A little online research could show the “chemical imbalance” is a filthy lie, yet they promote this from the pulpits more than Jesus and urge members to see a psychiatrist if they’re sad because their puppy died. I saw this at a megachurch and wanted to puke.
What is your opinion?
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Thanks for your story Ruth.
I love the title. “Mental health” exists–it sometimes seems–in order to make temporary distress perpetual and permanent.
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What if words don’t accurately reflect reality?
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Depression is a feeling, though it may come from anemia or another deficiency or thyroid problems. A symptom of health problems (sometimes.) NOT a disease in itself.
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As long as they don’t force people to attend.
As Szazs (himself a counselor) said, sessions should only occur between consenting adults.
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I’d be apt to hire a financial coach with a degree in accounting.
Usually you read their blog/book and decide to hire them based on that. If it’s practical stuff–making a career change, time management, organizing your house, managing your finances–they have little in common with “therapists.”
Health and fitness coaches or weight loss coaches are just personal trainers like you meet at the gym.
The kind most like psychologists are life coaches who specialize in feeling better and relationships. They aren’t directly in cahoots with shrinks but love to refer people they think may be “mentally ill” to community clinics. So that’s risky if you escaped.
The worst kind of all, IMHO, are the dating coaches.
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John you have my deepest sympathies.
I read your comments–and many others’ like them–and feel sad, as well as frustrated, that I can’t offer any help or advice.
Others here feel likewise. We need a way to help more people escape the mental system.
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Psychiatric treatments = iatrogenic harms.
If they don’t harm they don’t work. Period.
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My biggest complaint about life coaches is how expensive they are. Assuming their advice is good.
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I love sugar even more.
🙁
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You’re right Anomie. I recommend Peter Breggin’s videos on the “Violence Initiative.” While shrinks are afraid to openly link their eugenics theory to race nowadays they have been taking great pains to target the young men in predomnately non-white neighborhoods. Even tricked members of the NAACP into going along with it. Disgusting.
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Not a veteran myself, and I’ve been exploited. I agree.
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Depends on your definition of “work.”
If by work you mean crime prevention, suicide prevention, helping people feel better, think clearly, live independently, have better relationships, maintain gainful employment, or add to the quantity or quality of life for those “helped”….no they don’t work.
But they do work for achieving the number one (and only real) priority for “Doc” Torrey and his fellow quacks. It gives them something to prescribe to maintain their respectable image of honest-to-gosh Real Doctors.
You say that other stuff is important to you? Pish tosh. You’re a “defective” according to those who ruined your reputation, brain and CNS. What you want doesn’t count as long as ghouls like old “Doc” Torrey can win more awards.
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It seems to sciencey types like these that if you can’t scrape off a piece of something and scan it under a microscope it does not exist.
I read some article by monist psychiatric types (are there any other kinds?) mocking the idea that souls are “separate substances” from the brain. (Souls–if they exist–are immaterial. Not SUBSTANCE at all.)
I won’t accuse those guys of a straw man fallacy since they actually seem to think that dualists believe souls are ectoplasmic goo saturating the human brain.
That’s what happens when you get all your philosophy lessons from pop culture. Shrinks owe more to Ghost Busters than they realize. 😀
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A lot of people are desperate. Our culture thinks sadness is a disease. Instead of asking, “How can I change my life to end my sadness?” they opt for the easy solution.
My SSRI/SNRI use never ended my depression. Still lonely and hurting physically from the years of damage and social alienation. But I can process my feelings again. That’s something.
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Violent people often lack self control.
So…mind altering drugs and brain damage will only worsen that particular issue.
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Thank you for this provocative piece, Michael.
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So people who were abused as children are more likely to commit violent crimes? Funny how upset folks would get if we suggested punishing survivors of child abuse as though they were violent criminals regardless of their behavior. Yet this is what happens in “mental health.”
Torrey conveniently ignores this since it would draw attention to the fact that his profession exists to punish the weak. Primarily abuse victims.
Psychiatry’s function is penal; not medical. Only they punish for crimes the accused MIGHT COMMIT in the future (according to themselves.)
By treating the law abiding who exhibit signs of emotional trauma as if they’re violent criminals psychiatry punishes the unlucky. Just like the courts of Samuel Butler’s Erewhon.
TAC is the law of the jungle. No justice since they don’t punish for actual crimes–but the mere existence of those they brand “defective.” No mercy either.
Eugenics lives.
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And kidney disease.
If the idea of a life on dialysis saddens you that must be a BRAIN DISEASE. Be sure to seek out help for these bizarre, irrational feelings of sadness proving there’s something wrong with you for feeling bad. 😛 You actually find this crap on med sites.
Remember those drugs tax your endocrine system. The irony!
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My SSRI drugs made me feel guilty for not improving.
I believed what I had been told. That I was being helped with these safe and effective medications. Yet I couldn’t find work or get along with people. The constant exhaustion and inability to think straight or process human emotions (which hadn’t existed prior to the cocktail) were all my fault according to my counselor and other folks running the mental illness system.
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You are right Cindy. My dad has neuropathy and the doctors ruled out Parkinsons and about everything else.
They admit they don’t know and put him on anti-inflammatories and pain killers for PRN use.
Psychiatry is the worst though.
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And before “Doctor” Freeman there were parents and husbands eager to lock up their family members in madhouses. Ensuring that they would never get over the episode and–if not already crazy–would soon become that way.
Thank God my mom was not a “NAMI mommy” and actually wanted me to lead an independent, happy life.
We had one commenter here saying she would never let her beloved daughter read MIA. She censored her reading material. She further stated she didn’t care if her daughter suffered and died prematurely. If she could get the treatment the NAMI mommy wanted her to get the “good” mother would be happy.
It’s easy to see why the daughter had emotional problems with a piece of work like that controlling her every move. That’smother love. 😛
Look up Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. Not all members of NAMI act that way by any means. But getting a spouse or child labeled mentally ill and incapacitated with drugs is so easy to do in our society. And there are a few horrible people, eager to control others and gain attention as the saintly parent/wife/husband of a crazy sicko, who know how to milk the system.
Sadly these eager beavers usually end up running NAMI. Those who sincerely love the members they are told to write off as hopeless are apt to encourage the loved ones to succeed apart from the MI System. And they have lives too.
A friend of mine left NAMI in disappointment after psychiatry killed her sister with lethal “side effects.” NAMI didn’t care since she died with her rights OFF.
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Blaming the victim for a “broken brain” and “defective” biology is all psychiatry has to offer.
Once they have discredited you as SMI and drugged you out of your gourd you can look forward to even more outrageous violations from the folks pretending to “help.” And all the so-called normal folk walking around. Sad.
The APA claims, you wouldn’t be overwhelmed by emotional pain if you weren’t a genetically inferior defective to start with. Crushing down the already suffering is what psychiatry is there for. Enabling abusers.
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Congratulations Derek. Glad you’re doing well now.
A lot of our veterans are exploited by the MI System. The whole thing is shameful.
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“If the government doesn’t run your business…”
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I admire Marci’s sense of responsibility too, Julie.
Congratulations on getting off SSI after age 60. 🙂 Hard to do.
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Depends on where you work. If the government doesn’t run your profession–like public school teacher–you don’t rely on Uncle Sam. He relies on you.
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Psychologists exist to enable psychiatry now. For the most part. With a few exceptions they have sold out to the bio-bio-bio model. Why I want nothing to do with any.
Suggesting that it’s possible to take too many drugs would be “pill shaming.” Can’t have that.
Yes suicides and crimes occur. But acknowledging pills were at fault might cause (GASP!) non-compliance. And undermine the credibility of psychiatrists as honest-to-gosh-specialists and Real Doctors. Which would be a tragedy. 😛
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The judges haven’t any idea how psychiatry “works” or they wouldn’t allow any of these purveyers of bovine excrement a say in this matter. They probably believe in the “chemical imbalance” thanks to all the propaganda.
No other doctors have this legal authority. Yet we have psychiatrists complaining how “handcuffed” they are and how frightened they are at losing the prestigious legal powers they feel entitled to.
“It’s not easy being a Dark Lord but someone’s got to do it.” Proposed motto for the American Psychiatric Association.
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“Deliberate creation and management of a huge underclass!
Psychiatry exists to create scapegoats for society.
They differ from the KKK, neo-Nazis and similar groups in that they create the group to be persecuted. By drugs and labels these mad scientists impose an alienated life of sickness and isolation on their test subjects. They induce insanity with their mind altering drugs and then label the victim as SMI to ensure everyone will hate and reject them forever.
There have been madhouses since before the Industrial Revolution but the people often got better. Now pharma psychiatry ensures no one does.
At least 95% of all the SMI would not have gone nuts if they had avoided those morally bankrupt liars to start with. Modern psychiatry exists to ensure permanent alienation from the rest of humanity and altered mental states/cognitive decline from iatrogenic brain damage.
Isolation, confinement, degradation, urging a sense of futility, and pharmacological manipulation all constitute psychological torture. Used for deliberately breaking those already emotionally healthy and sane.
Yet these are standard treatments which our mental system uses on those already distressed and it claims these methods to be restorative and healing. Somehow. The SMI are not real human beings (according to shrinks) and torture is good for “defectives.”
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The pills (aka drug dealing “doctors”) can do no wrong. Ever.
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How is that kind of place better than prison?
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Wow!
Surprised popular entertainment would put that out.
But it’s not TV so they don’t have pharmaceutical sponsors to kiss up to.
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Dr. Malice accused her of narcissism too.
Pot “diagnoses” kettle.
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Should have my e-book on Kindle Monday.
Psyched! Five flash fictions about the mental system.
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Good point.
Capsules and tablets feel no shame.
The phrase is as nonsensical as “mental illness” which is allegedly a brain disease but different (somehow) from physical illnesses according to NAMI and similar groups.
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You can fire a life coach at any time.
Most just give you advice on finances or finding a job or time management. Less prone to abuse than others since they aren’t involved with “mental health.” Therefore easier to sue if they take advantage of you.
Some are charlatans who prey on the desperate. Dating coaches are the WORST I hear.
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I dislike the term “pill shaming.” This is a favorite buzz phrase of psychiatrists more interested in covering their own butts than helping those coming to them for help. (Voluntarily or otherwise.)
How about “shaming people who choose to take pills”?
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My dad has worried i have Lyme Disease. I explained how psychiatric “remedies” damage the brain and CNS. Especially long term.
I think this comforted him. He is surprised I can function off the “meds” the experts swore I needed for the rest of my life.
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Educating the public is the real answer.
It’s better to light a single candle than curse the darkness. ~Confucious
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Anger (expressed in acceptably passive aggressive ways) and disgust for fellow humans. But not even those emotions are “healthy” unless you’re one of the shrinks.
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Charles Ponzi and Bernie Madoff went to prison for fooling people.
So did Farid Fata who has a LOT in common with psychiatrists though his specialty was different.
There are already laws against scams.
If I gave someone rat poison to put in his coffee in place of sugar do you think the courts would buy it if I argued, “But he chose to drink the stuff”?
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OH has a good point.
Say “No” quickly and then call them out on the Red Herring.
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“Like insulin for diabetes.”
Sounds familiar.
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Well said.
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Kitty never chose to share any of her own psychiatric experiences. And as far as my GAS LIGHTING Abena and Serena neither of them are here to speak for themselves.
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Or free Caribbean cruises sponsored by pharmaceutical companies with evening musicals featuring various pills as characters.
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Yep.
Well only a biologically defective specimen would get really sad or angry at being abused according to the APA Journal. Thus they rationalize their cruel, pointless experiments on fellow human beings.
Only the strong are worthy of life according to these “doctors” accountable to no one. Least of all their patients. Social Darwinism at its finest.
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The pills are never to blame. Always the patient’s fault.
-Psychiatry in a nutshell.
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Well said Alex.
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All good questions, Julie.
It’s hard enough to find employment or housing if you have a psychiatric history. This is more than the loss of second amendment rights.
It’s like putting the names of people on a sex offender list though they have never been convicted. Just because someone said they look like one. A gross injustice disguised as medical care.
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There are already laws against “disorderly conduct.”
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“Cult” is a subjective term. But psychiatrists seem fine with controlling religious groups that encourage “meds compliance.”
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Abolish involuntary hospitalization AND false advertising and lies–telling patients they have a “chemical imbalance” the “meds” will fix and claiming it’s the defective patient’s fault if the SSRI drugs drive them nuts.
Using a stethoscope to betray patients’ trust makes consent impossible.
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You are an exception. So am I and many others here.
Most don’t get better. They stay in the system, deteriorate and die. 🙁
We need more exceptions.
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People–and therefore all social groups–are inherently dysfunctional.
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“Please be normal like us.”
Which is highly ironic considering segregation and mind altering drugs do the exact opposite of normalizing people.
It’s nobody’s fault. Except the crazy person’s of course.
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When I belonged to NAMI I made a $3 contribution to the membership every year. Real, “normal” members who ran the show paid $25 as I recall.
I’m now contributing this money to MIA instead.
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Trading wisdom for power?
Interesting and understandable with human nature being what it is. Truth can be mortifying. Power gratifies the ego.
Our society worships the powerful and ignores the wise. This has always been a problem. But it has reached frightening extremes.
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Well said!
Especially that last paragraph.
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At least they admit the drugs don’t prevent suicide.
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Precisely Rosalee.
I want to abolish psychiatry, but it’s not going to topple all at once.
Too many people believe in it. Those outside believe in the “chemical imbalance” myth.
Those inside rationalize it by saying, “Those people must be innately defective to act weird from grief or trauma or freak out on the mild drug I gave. They’re unfit for polite society and would only be institutionalized without my help.”
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Ask, “What religion do you practice?”
Most would go, “Huh? What’s my religion got to do with it?”
Say, “Nothing. But you’re the one who brought it up.”
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This zapped ex-NAMI member agrees Dr. K.
At least I survived to tell the tale.
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RW, for what it’s worth, I want to say “Thank you.”
You owed us nothing. But you have risked your own career as a medical journalist to help people like us. The ultimate underdogs of Western society.
And you have given us this site to visit and support each other. Not to mention your books. Got my dad reading Anatomy of an Epidemic. i doubt i could have escaped the system without MIA.
So thank you once again.
And–if someone calls you a Scientologist on social media–remember to call them out on the Reductio ad Absurdium Fallacy.
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The rants by popular high ranking psychiatrists show how threatened they feel.
The articles published in those journals few read are obvious attempts at legal cushioning. The inner circle knows the jig is up.
We have reason to be hopeful. No lie lasts forever.
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In order to forgive someone you have to admit they wronged you.
It’s impossible to forgive those who can do no wrong. So acknowledging the evils of psychiatry as a practice is necessary before we can offer forgiveness.
And unless they can own up to the harm done they cannot receive our forgiveness however willing we are to offer it. But that’s their choice.
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Rosemary Kennedy had a legitimate brain disorder. Psychiatry certainly “fixed” her.
If a child is born without legs that does not justify amputating arms.
Show the brain disorder first! Till then it’s just random acts of destruction.
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Not forgiving and cherishing hatred for your fellow human beings has long been understood as a way to give the devil a foothold in your life. It’s all related.
Ever read The Hiding Place by Corrie ten Boom? A great story of overcoming evil when all seems lost.
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Canadian Health Research Science Foundation.
Cited by Bruce near the end of the article.
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My guess is the inner circle of NAMI is well aware of CHRSF. But ensuring “meds compliance” is more important than ending “stigma.”
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Two more reasons psychiatry lives on.
11. It offers fast and easy solutions for shutting up people you don’t like. Either literally–through 72 hour holds–or large doses of neuroleptics. Hey, Willy finally shut his pie hole. So we can assume he feels better. Go drool in the corner and leave us alone Willy. Aren’t we humane?
12. Everybody loves a scapegoat to hate. “Symptoms” of “mental illnesses” are extreme behaviors of what everybody does. By branding others innately depraved and beyond redemption they deny they–or their “normal” people can do anything really bad. And it does wonders for the self esteem. If you’re undiagnosed.
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I have my own theory. But it’s too weird to post here.
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Reduction ad Absurdium.
“Hitler was a vegan. So if you don’t eat meat you must support genocide like Hitler.”
The stupidity of this “argument” deserves to be called out.
Reductio ad Scientologium.
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Yes. Bernie Madoff accomplished exactly what he designed to do as well.
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My thoughts exactly Boans!
Abena needed an endocrinologist. Not a shrink.
Why not fix the liver?
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Side effects include death.
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Dr. K was indulging in satire.
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Yes. I was already thinking what you posted Lauren.
Long term drug use damages brains and other organs, Funny how almost no doctors acknowledge this of psych drugs.
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I just celebrated my 46th birthday. Sad for your mother Leah. And my own friends who died young from “standard care.” Not suicide either. Side effects.
Off my drugs for 2 years. Can finally keep my room clean, shower regularly and half way through my first written novel. My heart is beating normally, I sleep less than 12 hours a day, and I have lost over 40 pounds. I can enjoy music and the beautiful scenery where I live for the first time since 1992.
No mood swings or thoughts of suicide anymore.
I owe it all to non compliance.
But MIA is one of the few places anyone will hear stories like mine.
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These are good questions Kitty.
(For my part the “antidepressants” caused my psychosis. The massive quantities of Haldol used to help caused seizures and worsened the psychosis causing terror to me and all around me. I got kicked out of school. Still forced to live on SSI thanks to years of iatrogenic damage.)
It’s good these drugs managed to shut off the right parts of the brains in both instances. This is not always the case. It’s troubling they were the only answer for people with a damaged liver and brain, since they only make those physical problems worse.
I wonder if dialysis might have helped Abena. A damaged liver causes the body to fill with toxins. She needed to have these filtered out of her somehow.
As far as the third example the use of pot and emotional trauma may be to blame. Does your friend trust you enough to tell you what’s going on in her head?
Kindred Spirit, you have Lyme Disease. What’s your take on using drugs to calm two already physically disabled people?
Too bad only those drugs work at calming Serene. There is a reason she hates taking them. They cause a peculiar suffering of their own invisible to spectators. And they correct nothing–biologically speaking.
Neurologists might be able to come up with solutions other than destroying what brain tissue she has left. Sadly they have abdicated cases like hers to psychiatrists.
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It sure doesn’t work at crime prevention either.
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Leah, they don’t care if we die. As long as we die compliant.
My friend didn’t want to die. But her shrink made her take a drug that killed her. 🙁
Two years off the “meds” I realize my heart is beating normally again. I believe doctors knew this was so but feared ramifications if they told me my “meds” were slowly killing me.
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Why did patients want MyCite? If they forget pills they want to take there are pill boxes.
So MyCite can monitor heart rate and sleep patterns?
In my imagination I see someone watching a monitor. “Dr. Q, Ms. X hasn’t slept at all in three weeks.”
Dr. Q, “Later. Got an office visit with Bambi. That new pharma rep.”
Monitor “Ms. X’s heart beats are off the charts. Her breathing patterns are erratic.”
Dr. Q, “Let her ride it out. I’ve got a Caribbean cruise to plan.”
Monitor “Ms. X didn’t take her Abilify at all the last twenty-four hours.”
Dr. Q, “Get the police out there immediately!”
Monitor, “Turns out she’s dead.”
Dr. Q. “At least she DIED WITH HER RIGHTS OFF.”
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Bingo!
I’m sure OH will agree.
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That’s like saying Dr. Fata’s chemo treatments worked. From his perspective they worked fine at making him lots of money.
But a lot of us were told we could live happy, productive lives if we took our “meds.” Even many NAMI parents were fooled. Then when you spend year after year in “day treatment” and still can’t take care of yourself or think straight or watch your 35 year old son forced to live in your basement–so zoned out he can barely make a sandwich or wash dishes unassisted–you ask HOW IS THIS AN IMPROVEMENT?
This is not what we were promised. Not what we signed up for.
So yes it has failed those who needed help. Like Bernie Madoff’s retirement plan.
Psychiatry is NOT help, but exploitation of the sad and lonely.
Psychiatry is anti-help.
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I realize that.
But in America they are really touting the “Alcoholism is a disease” on every station to sell “medicines” worse than booze.
They have infiltrated AA urging people to get “meds.” Shrinks will serve as their Higher Power now–or the drugs they push. Shame on them.
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Stigma against “mental illness” is pervasive in America and is perpetuated by the American Psychiatric Association.
Why is there an anti-psychiatry movement? Because no other branch of medicine has so little regard for the health, well being, or lives of those it “treats.” No other branch can vote illnesses in and out of existence. No other branch claims powers of mind reading and fortune telling. In short, no other branch of medicine has 0 grounding in known science, 0 cures, and premature deaths of all its patients by 25 years.
All other medical branches have patients instead of “consumers” too. This choice of wording on the part of psychiatrists themselves is significant.
If orthopedists acted like psychiatrists they would amputate legs to cure sprained ankles. Pediatricians would euthanize children with head colds. And dermatologists would amputate noses to cure pimples.
Psychiatry has wasted no time in transforming itself from Cinderella to the Wicked Stepmother. They’re very defensive about their origins. And they take it out on the hapless soul whose only crime was trusting a liar with no empathy or conscience.
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That sounds good in theory Jill. But it seems the integration of “mental health” into primary care just means more GP’s handing out SSRI drugs.
Do you think the high numbers of young adults on psych drugs could be a factor in the lack of emotional resiliency on campuses?
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That sounds nice.
I was in a thing called semi-care a couple times. The doors were unlocked during the day. In theory you could leave, but there would be consequences without a psychiatrist’s okay.
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So you can be a teetotaler AND an alcoholic? Why not?
I heard you don’t need mood swings to count as “bipolar” now. All you need is depression on occasion and 5 or 6 mix and match traits assigned you at random from a shrink’s laundry list.
And mental illness is different from physical illness but it’s still really a brain disease according to NAMI. So strokes and brain cancer aren’t really physical in nature I guess.
Double plus ungood.
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Eric, I’m by no means anti-counseling. But those in the system can only afford “standard treatment.”
Pill pushing “therapy” sessions at community centers. Where the “treatment team” combines brain damaging drugs with repeated messages of hopelessness.
I wish you well though.
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To claim that human beings are pure and innocent creatures incapable of wronging others and only a defective minority murders because of bad genetics is ridiculous. It shows a true lack of insight into humanity as a whole.
These shooters are lonely young men living in isolation. Usually on psych drugs.
Yet the solution offered is only larger numbers of people locked up or at least isolated and disabled through drugs. Unable to work or maintain human relationships, these lonely people will sit brooding at home all day, like young Raskolnikov–Dostoyevsky’s protagonist in Crime and Punishment.
Finally Raskolnikov murdered the pawn broker. Yet take heart gun control activists. At least he did not obtain a fire arm, but used an axe instead.
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The human spirit is a tough thing to kill. But psychiatrists deserve an “E” for effort.
LOL
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“It’s just too profitable.” For the physicians. Not those they doom to a lifetime of poverty as accidental addicts dependent on them for our next fix.
It’s especially cringe inducing that the person saying this specializes in children’s health. Dr. Pennywise I presume.
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That would include all of us branded “SMI” and written off as hopeless.
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If it makes you feel better Krista the massive damage in psychiatry’s wake is restoring your credibility.
Many KNOW you are telling the truth but feign skepticism or disbelief. Afraid of betraying the Brotherhood I guess. This going along with whatever psychiatrists say though they know it’s harming people and not helping will kill Western Medicine.
All the evil “doctors” need is for the good doctors to do nothing.
Have you heard of Farid Fata the cancer doctor who deliberately misdiagnosed healthy people with leukemia to sell endless rounds of chemo? Killing some and crippling others? Other doctors knew. But it took a long time till one finally blew the whistle.
Scary how morally bankrupt the medical profession is now.
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I’m not saying the pre Pharma kind was better Oldhead. But surely you agree the newer model is more dangerous and has done more harm.
People used to look at psychiatry with skepticism. They laughed at the bearded old man asking you for graphic dream descriptions. (Preferably dreams of nudity.)
Then in the early nineties it all changed. They told us scientists had discovered why people acted weird and felt prolonged emotional pain. AND luckily they now had magic bullets to fix your brain. “Just like insulin for diabetes.”
The “chemical imbalance” legend is believed by nearly everyone I meet offline. A lie impossible to disprove because people prefer sound bites and TV medical/police procedural dramas to wading through hundreds of articles and dozens of books like I did.
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Honestly Bcharris I think psychiatrists don’t WANT to find biomarkers for the “illnesses” they presuppose. If they did they might find the methods used have been worsening the damage As Whitaker pointed out psychiatry would become obsolete since the neurologists would take over. Doctors who specialize in the brain rather than the imagination.
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Orwellian Double-Speak. Went through this myself.
I remember a part of Animal Farm where the pigs ask for the other animals to labor 7 days a week to rebuild the windmill. The labor will be completely voluntary. But if you don’t volunteer your rations will be cut.
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They don’t actually.
Psychiatry did NOT help me fit in at all.
Segregation in the HUD ghetto is the exact opposite of fitting in!
More like whittling at a square peg till its a tiny splinter that won’t fit into anything at all and is completely useless and unwanted so they toss it out with the trash.
Putting blue dye into brown eyes only blinds them. It does not change the color.
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“Treating it as ~mental illness~ does not help. It is just a way of taking away the party’s personhood.”
Well said.
It’s also a great excuse to treat all with SMI labels like criminals regardless of innocence.
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Suffering from an autoimmune eye disorder.
I first misread that Pies’s quote as “Ultimately the BPSM will allow us to provide HOSTILE, comprehensive care.”
Yep. Wanting to stay alive is pretty self serving of us.
Naughty, naughty you waskawy anti-psychiatrists! 😀
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Bippyone, many people here want to ban INVOLUNTARY psychiatry.
If you are happy with your role as a psychiatric consumer, cool!
Many of us are not.
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As a firm believer in the supernatural world I call it a soul.
It is not a “separate substance from the brain” as one monist described this belief. The soul is not a substance at all.
This belief cannot be proven scientifically. Neither can psychiatry’s dogma that their drugs “work.”
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Wow.
You and I are on the same page here RR.
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Bwahahaha. You got that right.
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Bingo.
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Well said.
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What do you propose “Outside the text box”?
Like many survivors I’m frequently housebound from iatrogenic damage. And the draconian laws in America make it unwise to “come out” as a psychiatric survivor.
I have my plans. But I prefer not to discuss them here.
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C.S. Lewis addressed this in his book Miracles. He claims human consciousness is itself evidence of something beyond matter.
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Yep. People into self mutilation. So seeking psychiatry would be a sign of self harm.
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I differ from you Ekaterina in that I don’t consider myself mad anymore. It never was a lifelong condition–with a few exceptions–till psychiatry came along.
Read hagiographies like that of Francis of Assisi. Or King Lear. Or MacBeth where Lady MacBeth was not born mad but experienced extreme guilt. Or the novel The Last Man by Mary Shelley where a main character “loses” it but is nursed back to health by his loving friends (bad diet) and is recognized as sane enough to be elected to Parliament.
Psychiatry ensured these bizarre emotional states would become lifelong. First by locking people away in a hostile environment. Later by the drugs they punish you for having a bad reaction to.
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William Glasser’s “Choice Theory/Reality Therapy” encouraged people to make helpful changes in their outward circumstances as well.
For example, finding a new job or starting to date again or calling your mother regularly.
Some outward things can’t be immediately changed. So these must be coped with.
I love the AA “Serenity Prayer.”
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Very astute of Dr, Plomin to skirt the issues of differences between male and female chromosomes. It looks as though he evades the issue of possible racial differences altogether.
Something left out of this nature/nurture debate is how our choices shape our personality as we grow and age.
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It was my own weak grasp of science that made me fall for psychiatry’s lies when young.
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So you haven’t heard of Tim Murphy, Fuller Torrey, or countless others who have written articles and gone on national television demonizing the “severely mentally ill”?
Many who willingly take psych pills are upset about being called killers. But maybe it’s different over the pond.
I refer you to RW’s most recent article.
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Coincidentally these also create the “mentally ill.”
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A low view of humanity is behind these mass shootings. And a ridiculous craving for notoriety.
Sadly there is no easy answer for these problems.
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I’m sorry. I didn’t mean it to sound hostile.
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We are not doing these tests. The establishment is.
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Exactly Oldhead. Madness is an extreme emotional state. Not a lifelong disease.
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Steve, since coming off my Effexor I get along better with all around me. It killed my ability to feel for others.
Now I find it easier to not envy those with better lives than mine. And it’s not just fear or will power preventing my suicide.
I want to live again.
All along I took the drugs out of obligation to those around me. If it had only been my life at stake I would have gone off them. But I feared hurting others if “untreated.” Pretty ironic.
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Please do.
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All head honcho shrinks know it’s safe to scapegoat us for every bizarre crime that happens. They know we aren’t dangerous. So they keep doing it.
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Why indeed–assuming our brains were deformed–would they subject it to drugs that damage already healthy brains? Some use the chemotherapy analogy. But you have to prove the cancer exists first and it’s acknowledged to be a desperate remedy not to be performed indefinitely over 20-30 years.
However, this makes sense when you realize psychiatry is not about saving lives, healing brains nor helping people lead higher quality lives.
It’s really about segregating and crippling the “unfit.” Barring us from participating in the marketplace–which is linked to eugenics according to an article I read. And preventing us from reproducing since the drugs render us grotesque to behold and often cause impotence/frigidity.
They pretend their victims are dangerous in order to justify crippling them. Not about health or independence/ but creating docility, helplessness, and stupidity. Psychiatry’s real function.
Thieves who only break in to steal and kill.
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Then why do they reassure patients that these pills have no effect on those who aren’t “mentally ill”?
Oh that’s right. They’re a bunch of liars.
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You’re right.
The “severely mentally ill” are supposed to be subhuman and dangerous. So it’s okay to perform cruel, pointless experiments since they say our brains are already broken and we’re only fit for institutions anyhow. (According to Jaffe in a Youtube video I saw.)
In the sight of God those like him may be far less worthy of life than the “defectives” whom they judge fit only to be crippled or killed and tossed into the dust heap. 🙁
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You would think hospital staff would be prepared for spilled bodily fluids. But this is a psych ward we’re discussing.
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Normal people explain depression as the natural expression of depressing experiences.
Or they did before shrinks and Big Pharma poisoned our thinking with ads everywhere saying the slightest uncomfortable emotion is a disease required massive amounts of emotional pain killers.
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Pushing the negative does indeed have the opposite consequence.
The “mentally ill” have already been identified as dangerous by men claiming to be experts on millions they have never even met.
I prefer “Innocent until proven guilty” myself. And I don’t call myself “mentally ill.
According to Expert Shrinks “bipolar” and “schizophrenic” are synonymous with violent murderous monster. Why identify as “violent murderous monster”? That’s Torrey’s slanderous accusation. He doesn’t know any of us from Adam.
And funny how no one asks shrinks to prove they are not dangerous.
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“It helps to be specific Oldhead and not speak in tongues.”
My thoughts exactly Frank.
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I am also a Christian. A lot of sincere, well meaning people at church are being lied to and encouraging members to be harmed.
Visited a large church with a friend one Sunday and two prominent members got up to tell us “the truth” about the “brain disease.” One a nurse and the other a therapist at the local mental center.
Were they both that ill informed?
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“Sanism” is a word I have heard used.
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Sorrow, happiness, fear and anger could be called labels or categories. Words to describe these things have been around as long as humanity.
What psychiatry–wrongly–does is try to quantify the unquantifiable. Like trying to put love under a microscope. Or assign numerical values to the Seven Deadly Sins in order to use them in mathematical equations.
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I thoroughly believed my drug induced episode was proof of my hereditary brain disease. Doctors don’t lie and medicines are only helpful I had been taught as a kid.
The anafranil was terrifying. I was so scared of experiencing it that I did whatever the quacks told me afraid it would happen again. It did. Repeatedly. They told me it was all my brain disease at fault. NOT the medications.
I went back since I knew hallucinations/etc. weren’t normal. But I lacked insight into the moral bankruptcy of the gas lighting dealers who call themselves doctors.
I have more faith in the word of a used car salesman or a carnival barker than a psychiatrist.
The Swindle of the Century.
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Maybe we should replace “health treatment” with “control.”
Mental control system.
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The hyper positivity which opposes thought or poetry really bothers me too.
The perfect theme song for today would be “Everything is Awesome.”
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Why almost no one in “mental health” can read a book, hold down a job, or have a relationship.
And some guy called “Alexander” on the site yells at the doctor with ye olde “just like insulin for diabetes” propaganda.
I was afraid of leaving too much personal info or I would have responded that:
A. Psych drugs correct nothing. At best they’re emotional pain killers.
B. According to shrinks these drugs are harmless and have no effect on anyone “normal.” So this proves that’s a lie too.
No one listens anyhow. Reading a short article from the APA Journal is too hard I guess. SMH. Hopeless trying to reason with the public.
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As far as I can tell the only chance no one is given is of refusing these drugs.
I heartily agree with you that the vast majority of those in the psychiatric system are harmless eccentrics who do not deserve to be demonized.
🙁
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Mad can also mean angry. An intense emotional state. Not a disease.
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Well, according to Robert Whitaker and others, this is meant to be a critical psychiatry site. Not an anti psychiatry site.
Hence the differing points of view.
We just agree to disagree politely.
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Yes. Psychiatry is great at making you question your own sanity.
Feeding you drugs to cause bizarre sensations and claiming “they never have that effect.” Either you’re lying or crazy.
Telling your family you obviously are lying about taking your “meds” since if you were “compliant” all your problems would magically vanish. All the time you take them religiously though they make you feel horrible.
And the shrink blames your cognitive problems, sleeping too much, mood swings, annoying habits you’re too stupified to control on you. Either you’re 1. Lying about your “meds.” 2. Faking the seizures, dizziness, etc. since the “meds NEVER do that.” 3. It’s just your inherint defectiveness showing through. Requiring more pun–uh–treatments in the form of doubling the drugs making you sick and imprisonment.
Came to a point I started lying all the time–since I couldn’t tell what was real anymore. And no one believed me anyhow. Psychiatry=insanity. It exists to gain life long guinea pigs to exploit. To gas light and drive people insane.
Shrink: You know if you weren’t totally insane you wouldn’t be coming to me for help.
Me: Took the words out of my mouth Doc.
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I actually prefer the term “madness.”
1. It’s perceived as a emotional state. Not an inherited moral inferiority.
2. Classical writers saw it as temporary.
3. It lacks the pseudo scientific pretensions of modern psychiatry.
Many of us are life long cripples and we owe it all to the quackery of psychiatry. Like severing someone’s spinal cord to cure restless leg syndrome. 🙁
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How about leeches and blood letting as valid modalities of treatment? LOL.
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I read the WRAP book myself. A lot of the ideas are good and can be used as life coping techniques apart from the “mental health” setting.
Resiliency is indeed essential to doing life.
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The “lunatics” back in 1930’s Germany and Austria were much fewer in number. We owe the vast expansion of the disabled “mentally ill” to Pharma-psychiatry chicanery and their unsafe, ineffective treatments. (Unless you mean effective at crippling and killing.)
Thanks to the vast numbers of people like us they have deceived and the internet they don’t fully own like TV or radio more of us are discovering the truth.
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Sending people to cardiologists is one of those inconvenient little side effects Jan. 🙁
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So the bio-medical model increases self blame and stigma. Ironic, since according to NAMI and all those other groups it’s supposed to do the reverse.
I found rejecting the bio-medical explanation empowering. As soon as I read William Glasser’s book Warning: Psychiatry can be Hazardous… I felt a sense of hope and joy I never had before. And I quit hating myself. I could change my life after all! 🙂
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Depression also can be a symptom of anemia, low thyroid levels, and digestive problems. None of these need psychiatry. Especially the last which the “go to cure” of quackery will only make ten fold worse.
I know a woman with stomach problems who had so much trouble eating she got weak and lay in bed. Her doctor told her it was all a chemical imbalance in her brain and put her on an SSRI which messes the stomach up even more. Filthy liar. Or incompetent idiot at best. Some really are that “uninformed” to use Pies’s term.
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Bippyone I would not advise you or your loved ones to just quit taking your pills cold turkey. Especially SSRI drugs or benzoes. Took me over a year to get off Effexor.
I can think more clearly and socialize with ease I never possessed before as an adult. But I still developed a couple autoimmune disorders that may clear up in another year or two.
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On this site a pop up video appeared stating, “Opioid addiction is a DISEASE. Let us give you the help you need to recover. You can’t beat it alone.”
Translation: Let us sell you a drug at least as bad for you as the one you’re already struggling with.
Oh the irony.
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Oldhead, yes abuse in the form of “asylums” has been around since the 18th century.
But thanks to it’s associations with the AMA psychiatry has been able to deceive many more people since the 1980’s. Far greater numbers suffer under it.
And, before psychiatry “proved” that “mental illness” was a life sentence and poor life choices young people made meant they should be written off as hopeless has not improved things. If you read Shakespeare or Mary Shelley you’ll see that the “mad” got better all the time.
It may not be more cruel, but it is far more dangerous. A kitten may be as angry as a tiger but it can’t inflict the damage a tiger can.
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Well OH, I think if someone is in psychiatric “treatment” and goes on a killing spree his shrink should be held accountable for the murders. Just like Timothy McVeigh’s accomplice.
Right now shrinks always pretend these killers weren’t “being helped” when they know they actually were. Putting them on trial would draw attention to how worthless said “treatments” are at crime prevention.
Absolute power and zero responsibility. No other medical profession has legal authority. Especially the kind that can overrule a judge’s.
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“Scapegoating” is a term I agree with.
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Violent people are more prone to strokes I believe.
Treat all stroke victims worse than convicted felons. (Being facetious.)
Actually a stroke is a proven brain disorder. Maybe it should be re-classified as a “mental illness.” Proving how stupid the term is.
“All mental illnesses are really brain diseases.”
“What if we treated physical illnesses like mental illnesses?”
I thought the brain was a physical organ.
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No they don’t Steve. Psychiatric drugs do not set what is crooked straight. 🙁
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Yep Kind of what I’ve been doing. Though not consciously 12 stepping or joined to any group.
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“Antidepressants” ruined my own life. I hate those drugs.
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My cocktail was causing my mood swings till my body wore down after more than 20 years on the stuff.
I have had some troubling experiences with being forced into mindlessness meditation. For two hour sessions every week. Almost drove me nuts. Everyone else fell asleep or didn’t care.
If you like and benefit from voluntary mindfulness meditation that’s fine. I was forced to do it and hated it.
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I’m not offended Oldhead. 🙂
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*having my label REMOVED
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In Brave New World the elite stayed in power by use of the carrot. In 1984 it was the stick.
In our world the “soft diagnoses” and “normals” live in Huxley’s future and may enjoy “soma.” But fall out of line, be unlucky, or get sick from the “soma” and you’ll find you’re in 1984 and Big Brother owns you.
The scene where O’Brien “cures” Smith of his “insanity” by shocking him into thinking as told is SO psychiatric.
Like how they force the “non compliants” into the “insight” of the Chemical Imbalance lie they know is not true. It’s not about curing delusions to trick someone into believing a lie nor about restoring cognitive function through 3-6 brain drugs. It’s about power and being someone else’s god.
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Some of the behaviors associated with “severe mental illnesses” are wrong.
Maybe just say the behavior is wrong instead of labeling the person as irredeemably “mentally ill” which is just a moral judgment disguised as a scientific pronouncement.
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Friend,do you want to wind up homeless or institutionalized, friendless and broke? Do you want to suffer dozens of bizarre health problems, gain over 100 pounds and die before your mid fifties? Do you want to be socially isolated or segregated in a setting reminiscent of Kindergarten no one ever outgrows?
Be sure to call Dr. Bernie S. Gas at 555-555-5555. As a licensed psychiatrist with decades of experience in putting people on various medications and diagnosing them with terms that would be an insult coming from anyone but a real doctor I have just what you need to achieve these goals.
Call Dr. Gas MD at 555-5555. Don’t let stigma scare you away from the life that I deserve.
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I will. Finding a way to earn a livelihood comes first since publicly sharing my story will likely cause me to lose SSI.
Having my label would be nice–if possible–since it would restore my legal rights. Once you are “diagnosed” something like “schizophrenic” or “bipolar” you’re no longer a citizen and can have your rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness stripped from you at ANY time based on the word of some guy in a lab coat who doesn’t know you from Adam.
I knew better than to ask my shrink for my freedom, nice as she was as a person.
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Painful emotions perhaps?
I used to struggle with the concept of “mental illness” when I believed it. Here’s why.
There are real brain diseases. Traumatic brain injury, dementia, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, tumors, etc. These cause problems thinking and/or physical problems since the brain controls bodily functions.
But take someone like Ted Bundie. He was clever and resourceful at the crimes he committed. Not cognitive problems but moral.
Many shrinks say he must have been “bipolar” just like your eccentric, sweet Aunt Betty, or your mom who happened to have a really bad SSRI reaction that almost killed her thereby “unmasking” her “disease” (Can’t pill shame so it must be her fault.) According to many shrinks these law abiding women are exactly like the notorious serial killer and deserve to be treated like criminals.
There is also the etymological trouble in the oxymoron “mental illness” itself….
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Bingo!
Psychiatry is popular because it reassures the general population of their innate goodness.
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Precisely. Demonizing the “SMI” is great PR for psychiatry in keeping its “customer base”, but it backfires since it helps them keep their “life long consumer” stable but make us hard to replace when our painful, stunted lives are tragically cut short.
Psychiatry is NOT about helping those they label to lead productive, high quality lives. It’s about crippling those they view as threats somehow. The “help” offered is on par with how JFK’s embarrassing sister was “helped” by a doctor damaging her brain till she couldn’t walk or talk again. 🙁
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Actually getting drunk at a bar every night and sharing your pain with fellow barflies is at least as successful in coping with life as going to a mental illness center.
Look at things like gainful employment and ability to hold relationships together at people who go to those centers. As someone who would never have taken mind altering drugs willingly I’m angry at being lied too. Many of us here are.
Over and over I was told, “Your only hope for a productive life–a job and good relationships is to accept you’re hopelessly evil (SMI means this) and take your meds.”
Getting along better with my family since my conscience and empathy are awake once more. And rejecting my label helped alter behaviors associated with that. My parents are amazed. Dad is angry too and sad I was swindled out of years of life and am forced to live in extreme poverty since the drugs and label prevented gainful employment.
I find solace in music, poetry, the beautiful scenery, friendships (now that I can get along with others), and my faith.
Sadly my system is really messed up after 25 years on drugs. Heart problems and 2 autoimmune diseases started before I came off. Benign side effects of my “treatments” I guess. Lol.
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They preyed upon my fear of madness for 20 years after I went nuts on Anafranil and they blamed me for it. Like those slick carny style medicine men in the 19th century.
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My condolences Eric.
Judging from your narrative alone you sound normal in that you’re reasonably angry at being treated in a shameful fashion like a criminal when you have done nothing wrong. The only thing they were punishing you for was being put in harm’s way by your shrink.
So they handcuffed you and locked you up for the crime of BEING POISONED by your alleged doctor.
Psychiatry is insanity.
Drugs never helped me either. Voices like yours deserve to be heard. You’re not alone.
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I won’t say ALL shrinks conspire with abusive partners and parents to gas light those they abuse. Often, though, shrinks don’t ask any questions about current living situations. Just ask how you feel. They can “diagnose” you in less than 15 minutes and never talk to you for more than 10 minutes afterwards. Gives them just enough time to write more prescriptions.
If you don’t feel great or annoy others by “odd” behaviors–even if they lie about it–the shrink assumes it must be a brain problem. Since they automatically assume all emotional pain or quirkiness is proof of a brain disease.
Got a broken leg? Here’s a sledge hammer. It will fix it. A sledge hammer is their only tool, so by golly they’ve got to use it. How else can they bill your insurance? 😀
Unwittingly though it usually is, they enable abusers. The snappy dressers with proper grooming who smile nicely, have firm handshakes, and know how to charm the socks off everybody. A great looking front is proof of sound “mental health” as far as psychiatrists are concerned. 0 insight into how human beings think or feel or what motivates their fellow human beings.
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Don’t forget victims of bullying.
Bullies are healthy, well adjusted members in this society so they don’t need “mental treatments.” Just “diagnose” those they bully as “schizophrenic” and “bipolar” in order to drug and lock them away.
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Bingo.
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Yes. That does sound better.
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We human beings are very good at deceiving ourselves, when ignoring certain problems has immediate pay offs for us. Especially when others sustain all the damage from these problems.
Read “The Banality of Evil.” Evil is not inherently sexy, spectacular or mind blowing. Most people behind atrocities are not sadists with maniacal laughs but calm, methodical people who just don’t care.
They willingly serve as little cogs in the Big Machine instead of becoming monkey wrenches to stop It. Understandable since the monkey wrench will be bent out of shape and the little cog can work safely. Until the machine stops.
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Lol.
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Probably because it’s one of those things he and I agree on.
By bio psychiatry I mean as distinct from the talking on a sofa kind. Or Freudian psycho analysis.
I don’t agree with psycho analysis either. But bio psychiatry has hoodwinked a lot more people by posing as a legitimate branch of medicine.
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* here
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My guess is the military is desperate for volunteers and more youngsters are labeled now than ever.
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David Joslin, as an American, I thank you for risking your life to preserve ours. It’s shameful how psychiatry exploits veterans.
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“The faux outrage when a president from the ‘opposing’ party does something your own party previously practiced is vomit inducing.”
Well said.
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🙂
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Anyone hear read Erewhon by Samuel Butler?
A make believe land where they treat the criminals kindly–as though they suffered sickness–and punished the people with real health problems and also the poor and grieving like criminals. It was written over a hundred years ago so Butler wasn’t trying to depict our current “mental system” but it’s really weird how it resembles psychiatry’s role of absolving violent criminals (sort of) by punishing the innocent who suffer.
Butler meant it as a critique of Social Darwinism as I recall.
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The Next Hitler, yes. Anti-Christ is a religious term and therefore a “symptom” of “mental illness.”
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Someone Else this is attributable to the “pay per click” system of online journalism. Sensational headlines get more clicks. Conservative sites also are guilty of this.
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Psychiatry=materialistic monism.
To them all people are machines. All belief in the supernatural is a symptom of defective machinery.
Self-styled Christians go along with this because they have no compassion for the “SMI” so they just don’t care if we die. And they think they’re normal so it’s not their problem and not worth researching.
“If you did it not for the least of these you did it not for Me.” 🙁
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A lot of democrats own those places too. The chapter of NAMI I once belonged to was full of democrats
Every mental center I went to told us to vote democrat so we could be taken care of. Great trick for harvesting votes.
And a bunch of prominent shrinks wanted to “diagnose” Trump. Which is ironic.
Torrey opposed it. Probably he knew this would tip the hand to the public how much power the APA has with 0 accountability. Least of all to their patient/victims.
Both sides are over eager to throw us under the bus since abusing us looks like compassion to the outsider.
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Great idea MM. Along with banning involuntary treatments.
People get all their “science” off commercials now. Too lazy to read articles from the APA Journal for crying out loud.
Even if they’re not drugged out of their gourds people believe everything on TV or in drug brochures now. Scary how unapologetically stupid everyone is. SMH
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My question is how much revenue do Vox and the other rags get per year from ads for psych drugs?
If Cooper is on anything they haven’t made him a kinder, better person. Nor have they made him more conscientious in his research.
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Coming off my Effexor ended my desire to commit suicide. I actually care about things again.
And leaving psychiatry has helped reaffirm the faith of my childhood which I could never reconcile with the a priori assumption of materialism bio-psychiatry is built upon.
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Actually as a kid, I had adults telling me to stuff my anger because Real Girls were always sweet and passive and might weep softly on occasion (like Cinderella) but never got angry. Nearly all were women as I recall.
My mom, my grandma, teachers, family friends. “Nice girls don’t get angry.”
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They also pathologize sadness and fear.
Got to be happy 100% of the time. But not TOO happy. Or that means you’re “manic.” Lol.
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7. Pharma has been tied to psychiatry in unholy matrimony and using their lies about a “chemical imbalance” to prescribe drugs to create all the symptoms of “mental illness” in hitherto normal, sane individuals.
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How about blaming the shooter?
Note how we don’t hold all members of other groups accountable of the crimes of individuals? But when people blame all the “SMI” for the crimes of an individual that’s supposed to be compassion as opposed to discrimination.
We need to judge people on the content of character. NOT on the word of some character who calls himself a doctor and slanders millions he never even met.
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Like that Russian short story where the shrink comes to town and locks up everybody. Finally he decides he must be insane too. (Unlike most shrinks thinking Everyone But Me.)
Kind of like that episode of The Andy Griffith Show where Barney Fife puts every citizen in Maybury in jail.
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Which I am doing. 🙂 Free at last!
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The Donald is known for proposing impractical solutions.
Good luck rounding up 20-25% of the population to imprison them and pay the required jailers/security guards at tax payer expense. (The remaining tax payers.)
He ran primarily on the economic platform. Long term institutionalization is actually costlier than the semi-institutionalized HUD form where round-the-clock “care givers” are not required. My guess is Torrey wants a vast expansion of the latter instead.
Imprisoning large numbers of law abiding citizens without due process will also alienate many Republicans I know who believe in psychiatry’s bogus cures but draw the line at having friends and family locked up. My own family will leave the GOP if this happens. Turn Libertarian perhaps.
The big problem is these mass shooters nearly all get their guns illegally. There are any number of Red Flag laws no one is bothering to enforce. (My dad has to go through a LOT of red tape to buy a squirrel rifle despite no mental label or legal record.)
Buckling down on enforcing laws that already exist to prevent illegal gun sales is the obvious solution both parties should be able to work together on. But it doesn’t sound as “sexy” as passing new laws no one will bother enforcing and showing faux compassion for the “mentally ill” bogey men who need to be crippled and imprisoned “for their own good.”
Take comfort in the ineptitude of our bloated, bureaucratic machine. Like a 10 foot insect it’s pretty scary to look at but the size of its massive exoskeleton makes it hard to chase people. 🙂
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“Recovery” has so many different meanings attached. Many anti-psychiatry people oppose it.
On the other hand militant pro-psych people oppose the idea too. Such as our “mental health” czar who also complained SAHMSA is too soft on the psychiatrized.
I went to a “Mental Illness” Center for many years. Repeatedly they told us we would be “depressed” forever and would never recover from our “illnesses” that were created by the alleged “treatments” they warned us never to quit taking or our heads would explode or a comet would collide with earth or something.
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“1,000,000 untreated mentally ill people are running around.” Where did Torrey get this number? Is he going to archives or names listed on computer records somewhere and tallying up everyone who disappeared without a record of dying? (A pretty Orwellian scenario in itself.)
Or does he just know somehow in that magical clairvoyant way those Real Scientists have that 1,000,000 people are in need of being “diagnosed” and “treated”?
He also knows that 500,000 fewer murders will occur if he has his way. How can you provide numbers for things that never happen? Is he traveling through the Multiverse in his spare time?
Real Science Fiction folks! 😀
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Not an excuse. Josef Mengele never subjected himself to any of the experiments he performed on children.
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Depriving law abiding citizens of due process before imprisonment is unconstitutional.
Funny how many supporters of the Second Amendment aren’t bothered by this threat to basic liberties.
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In order to win presidential nominations you must be arrogant and loud.
America can’t handle thoughtful, discerning candidates who only speak when they have something sensible to say. No way Coolidge or Lincoln would be considered now.
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Don’t forget psychiatry creates social inequalities by permanently altering the brain.
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Hi Boans. Hope all is okay.
Concealed anger–passive aggressive revenge committed by smiling pretty bureaucrats–is the WORST.
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Psychiatry generates its own astounding form of isolation in the form of disabling drugs and psycho surgeries and labels to tell communities who to shun and segregate. 🙁
And the fact that the government not only allows but helps maintain psychiatric tyranny over vast swaths of the population–forcing them into extreme poverty, alienation, and premature death–is troubling.
You acknowledge drugs are not long term solutions. I agree and applaud this statement. But psychiatry does not. They are the sole tool “mental health” centers say is absolutely essential. All other services are disposable. But life long drugging–the more the better–is essential according to all community centers I have attended.
Maybe you live where counseling is not subordinate to druggings and is not just telling you repeatedly how hopelessly sick and crazy you are and don’t forget your “meds.” I speak solely from what I see and have experienced in my state and communities.
I agree when people say we don’t need a “replacement for psychiatry” because psychiatry has itself replaced everything I enjoyed when seen as a human being and not an SSI. It has replaced my hope of a career with $780 a month to serve as a lab rat. It replaced my friends with therapists and my hopes for a family with casual acquaintances passing through “day treatment” like me.
After my Haldol induced seizures and odd behaviors due to grief I couldn’t process and label of SMI caused everyone to turn on me I first thought of suicide. Now that I’m free I can mourn, enjoy friendships again, can write and learn marketable skills. Guess what? No longer suicidal.
Hope and love cured me. 2 things not to be found anywhere near any psych center I have been in.
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Someone Else is there somewhere online people can view your art?
I would love to see your paintings. 🙂
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Only if the SBC subordinates itself to Psychiatry and implements its “SCIENCE” into church doctrine. But considering how everyone at a Southern Baptist church I attended mindlessly swallowed anything psychiatrists put out (pun intended) I can see it happen.
Very disheartening. A few individuals from churches have offered me emotional support. But no church body I attended has ever taken a stand against this pseudo science that destroys lives.
Chalk it up to ignorance and apathy.
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Yep. Even websites offering counseling to those who lost family members urge people to consider “medication. Grief is a disease! So is fleeing an abuser, extreme poverty, or any emotional pain or discomfort.
Much of it is well meaning ignorance thanks to the propaganda put out by slimy pharma-psychiatry merchants. Everybody believes them because TV commercials never lie. *Eye roll.*
Part of the overwhelming success of these drugs is the also due to 0 tolerance for pain in our culture. People think if they aren’t ecstatically HAPPY 100% of the time something is wrong with them. Many love the “diagnosis” of depressive disorder because of it. “Please excuse Janie for not smiling and laughing all the time today. She can’t help being sad. It’s because she has an honest-to-goodness brain disease.”
Why do we need written notes from a doctor to excuse feeling down in the dumps? Oh yes. Because everyone around us is self absorbed and tears of grief annoy them and prevent them from enjoying themselves.
🙁 And telling someone “Shut up and take your meds. And kindly go rot in a corner somewhere you won’t bug us” shows you care and you don’t have to do squat to help them afterward. “Mental health experts” are there for that after all.
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It speaks volumes about that Artful Science that psychiatric researchers view a lack of empathy as a positive thing. 😛
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No one argued with Hitler as I recall.
A big challenge we face is most people view these damaging drugs as “safe” and “healing” and firmly believe they correct brain abnormalities and save the lives of all who take them.
That is a BIG problem. Even those who wish the “mentally ill” well think they’re saving the lives of the “SMI” with AOT. Not to mention other lives if they go on killing sprees.
I managed to convince my family with carefully chosen arguments and an article by Dr. Pies from the APA Journal. That is a damning piece of evidence. It convinces many–if they aren’t too busy to read it.
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Julie is being funny.
In a society where the heart was viewed as the center of the soul maybe we would have shrinks figuring out ways to cause heart damage to “save” their patients from themselves.
It’s really no dumber than what they do to healthy brains. (Assuming they aren’t healthy, you still need to know the problem before randomly damaging healthy tissue. Neuro surgeons want to make sure they know where the tumor is located–not to mention knowing whether or not one exists.) 😛
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Ugh! That sounds horrible Njinsky.
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“Welfare does not exist for the needs of the poor, it exists to put the poor through ritual humiliations….”
TRUTH!
And through crippling and ostracizing all those the shrinks have branded hopelessly insane, “mental health” ensures their victims will live in shame and poverty forever!
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I agree. The love of many has grown cold.
As Bcharris says up above, murdering a bunch of people is not caused by a cognitive defect but a moral one. I know a lot of people with low IQs but far higher morals than geniuses with multiple graduate degrees.
I have always had a philosophical issue with the concept of “mental illness” because many of the “symptoms” are simply acting like a jerk. So, it’s not stupidity–associated with real brain disorders–they’re referring to.
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It really seems to boost the egos of the “Normals” though.
I noticed–when drinking psychiatry’s kool-aid that most trolls on sites to support the “mentally ill” were pretty proud of how “normal” they were. Lol.
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I had my first break down at 14 when an older woman who had befriended me betrayed my family and caused us to be homeless for a summer.
She was the wife of a prominent elder at church. Dad was the preacher. She manipulated her husband into forcing him to resign with no place to go.
Psychiatry=Rejection. That’s all I got from it. Worse than Dr. Frankenstein since they take sweet, gentle people who were normal to begin with and transform them into monsters so they can play the Hero by blaming those they have already tortured and maimed. 🙁
Psychiatry caused humanity as a whole to reject me. I curse the day I ever sought help from the quack who called himself a “soul doctor.” All he gave me were mind altering drugs to destroy my body and a label to make everyone turn on me, finishing the destruction of my soul.
No mercy. No justice. Just drugs and lies, lies, lies…
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Trying to turn something unquantifiable into tidy facts and figures.
Gone is the day of the Renaissance polymath who wrote beautiful poetry, painted, fenced, and made scientific discoveries.
Today’s scientists and pseudo scientists can’t even enjoy art. Let alone make any.
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And once “mental health” has its claws in you any community support you had before is terminated.
I had a dorm mom tell my friends at college not to talk to me. Only “mental health experts” were qualified to do so. It was dangerous for anyone else.
Horrible to have your nearest and dearest turn on you because some quack tells them you’re hopelessly insane. And urges them to make sure you keep taking drugs to make you act insane. “And if she has any problems she is lying about taking her ‘meds’ like They all do or she’s faking the seizures and pacing.” 🙁
Finally vindicated after 25 years thank God. At least my father finally believes me. He knows I’m not a monster after all.
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There are forms of non-violent hatred. But you’re right.
Murder requires hatred as well as anger.
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I know. If it were a big organization like NAMI putting it out I’d be more upset.
Plus no one has to wear that thing in public. 😀
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In some cases for unusually cruel murders they’ll “diagnose” the person after the crime is committed.
I remember a TV interview.
Interviewer: So Dr. X, why did that mother drown her preschoolers?
Shrink: Because she is bipolar.
Interviewer: How do you know she is bipolar?
Shrink: Because only a bipolar could do such a thing.
This says nothing about her motives. She was a profoundly selfish, unloving woman who wanted a fresh start on life and new boyfriend. Her children got in the way.
But the obvious explanation doesn’t sound scientific enough. Plus it scares people since we all are guilty of selfishness from time to time or neglecting those who need us.
By claiming only a special category of people called the “mentally ill” are capable of such actions and special scientists can weed out these Others from polite society it produces a sense of security for those not accused of being born evil. And it must boost their egos too.
“I thank Gawd I ain’t a lunatic.” (Dialogue from a Flannery O’Connor short story “Revelation.” The woman saying it is at the bottom of the Social Ladder.)
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I’m glad since it won’t help change people’s minds.
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And–according to psychiatry’s narrative the “severely mentally ill” have been around forever. Their “safe and effective medications” were–for the most part–non-existent till recently.
Yet though these magical snake oil elixirs are everywhere now and the “SMI” have always been around (according to shrinks) mass shootings occur more than back in the 80’s. Amazing how no one asks these head honcho shrinks WHY this is.
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Precisely!
This is not poor cognitive skills we’re talking about, but extreme anger.
Extreme emotions can make people do bizarre things.
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His views are believed by many and need to be addressed.
He has not called names nor made personal attacks on any of us. He posted a link to an article we disagree with. That’s all.
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Check this out.
There is a T-shirt on Amazon bearing the slogan “Bipolar. Heavily medicated for your protection.”
It’s recommended as a funny gift for “loved ones.” Nothing says “I love you” like calling someone psycho killer.
Not funny! Even if you take psych drugs by choice this is nothing to joke about and fuels the hysterical paranoia of all with psych labels.
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There is stuff to laugh at and educate us online. Without the internet I would still be in bondage to “mental health.” A lot of shrinks hate public access to the internet for this reason.
One said the internet caused “agosognosia.” Then he had to backtrack and dance around since devout eugenicist that he was he firmly believed only “biological defectives go crazy” and reading something online can’t alter DNA.
The internet has brought to light a lot of ugly truths the psychiatrists longed to keep hidden. More and more are finding out now that that Artful “Science” is based entirely on a lie dreamed up by ad marketers. And its “treatments” nothing but random acts of brain damage.
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Good reason to quit social media. So bad grammar = “schizophrenia”?
The Stupid keeps rising. 😛
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Thank you for your kind words DS. But at 46 I’m too old. It’s already too late.
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Well said!
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Sometimes I suspect that too PD.
Plus more gruesome publicized murders means more power and authority for the members of the APA. Probably rubbing hands with glee every time a shooting occurs like Tim Murphy the Merciless did and using it to sell themselves as saviors of humanity.
I’m sure Torrey doesn’t want these to end. No crime sprees means no reason to demand his victims be handed over for cruel, pointless experiments.
“So what if all my test subjects and a few hundred other people die in the process? As long as I get the glory and honor I deserve as a legitimate Scientist. Real SCIENCE folks!”
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Defamation of character by accusing the innocent of violent crimes they never committed.
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Know something all mass shooters have in common? They are very, very angry.
We all get angry. But we–as a society–used to control our anger better and realized murder was unacceptable.
Sadly SSRI drugs lower empathy and many atypical neuroleptics such as abilify harm the brain centers linked to impulse control. Empathy and self control are essential for preventing murder.
No drug can stimulate the conscience or help us love our fellow human beings.
One solution would be taking someone seriously when he posts threats on social media about killing people. A lot of the killers crave notoriety and have done this.
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My sister has a really bad reaction to penicillin, but no one punished her for that. Probably because real doctors prescribe it.
Psychiatry refuses to admit their drugs ever hurt anyone. They are above the law. Better to brand everyone they make deathly sick as hopelessly insane and punish them by tripling the drugs. And upping the dose of the drug that drove them bonkers. That’ll learn ’em.
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Randall, there is a lot of irrational violence. But anger, like other extreme emotions, causes irrational behaviors including violence.
A lot of those labeled “mentally ill” do not act this way. I got my label of “bipolar 2” because I sought help for depression and had a bad reaction to the drug Anafranil. I have been iatrogenically damaged by decades on a cocktail.
I have broken no laws. I don’t ask for the right to bear arms.
Just live peacefully in the community where I sought refuge and am slowly healing after 23 years on the same class of drugs that harmed me. Do people like me deserve to be segregated? Do we deserve to be treated worse than felons? We are not all criminals.
I have struggled with guilt for living on disability. I have a strong work ethic. I volunteered regularly even when I couldn’t find a job. We are not all lazy.
I have a number of health problems linked to decades on a cocktail. The segregation, isolation, and extreme poverty with the constant threat of homelessness is horrible. I have done nothing to deserve this. All I did was seek out help for anxiety and depression. And religiously obeyed my doctor’s orders even as my brain and body fell apart. We are not all lazy or irresponsible idiots who refuse our “meds.”
(It took me years to come off mine because I felt I owed it to society. How I decided to come off them is a long story.)
I will never have a family now and am overcome with grief. The “mentally ill” aren’t allowed to marry due to financial penalties and I chose celibacy rather than promiscuity like the “mental health” staff encouraged. We are not all hedonists.
We are not monsters just because we had a rough time long ago or even a simple drug reaction. The vast majority of us are in this situation.
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Famous Shrink: All the mentally ill are murderous monsters who should be locked up or neurologically crippled to keep them from hurting you. And, by the way, we need to end stigma by educating the public on how dangerous these creatures are.
You don’t hear cardiologists going on TV and telling everyone how evil heart patients are. Or gastroeneterologists warning how everyone with Colitis is a menace to society. Only psychiatrists do this.
And that “Doctor” Torrey, is why there is an anti-psychiatry movement. No one but a psychiatrist demonizes all those he claims to help and maligns their character simply because they made the horrible mistake of seeking “help” from his profession.
Shame on Torrey for his defamation of law abiding citizens.
As far as Obama and Trump go, chalk it up to ignorance. Like 90% of the public.
But Torrey knows it is a lie. He has been quoted as saying he knows the drugs aren’t that effective in Anne Harrington’s book. Yet he goes on the air saying these things and writing slanderous articles. Hence he is truly reprehensible. 🙁
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My condolences Nita.
This is why I would never advise an abused wife with kids to seek out psych “help.” A psych label will just make the courts award custody to the abusive dad.
Sites where abuse victims are urged to get “help” for “clinical depression/anxiety” when their sorrow and fear are justified and the abuser will be the one who benefits…these advisors mean well…but their foolishness hurts many. Makes me want to rip out my hair!
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I would say that defending SSRI drugs and then blaming the patients for not being able to think straight of feel better causes stigma. Pretending these drugs are magic bullets (denying any painful effects they produce) that would make “crazies” normal if they weren’t refusing to take them is as stigmatizing as it gets!
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She was taking X when she killed herself.
Solution?
Prevent suicidal despair by putting even more people on drug X.
Those spreading this message are ignorant of the facts (drug X was tried and found wanting.) Or very stupid. Or liars with no regard for their fellow humans.
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I remember some shrinks lecturing us at NAMI, “The problem with the mentally ill people is they’re totally ignorant of nutrition and have no self control.”
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“Life is great. You’re just depressed because you’re a ‘mentally ill’ loon. And if our ‘meds’ don’t make you feel great you’re a severely mentally ill liar.”
Ain’t pharma-psychiatry grand? 😛
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My mom has always fretted, fussed and obsessed over What Others Think of Us.
I believe that’s why she feels the SSRI drugs help her “nerves.” Blunting her ability to care helped her for a while. Though now she is very ill with IBS and tired all the time. Can’t read more than a page at a time and passively watches TV all day.
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Yes. Case workers are often kind but clueless. One was leading group and tried to pronounce SSRIs phonetically. Bless his heart.
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My counselors were (mostly) kind and well meaning. But because they believed I was a hopeless “SMI” their advice was useless when not actually depressing.
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A leftist on FB was complaining about America. One of his top complaints was not enough being spent on “mental health.”
I wish the government would confiscate the multi billions Big Pharma companies have made and give $500,000 apiece to everyone crippled by their psych drugs. If it bankrupted them so they could no longer hurt people, so much the better. Of course that ain’t gonna happen. 🙁
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I agree with you there Alex.
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Real doctors heal. They don’t make a living lying about problems to patients to sell them mind altering drugs or perform random acts of violence on vital organs by pretending its surgery. (And slandering their patients on national TV.)
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Ironically I could perform constructive work before psychiatry had its way with me.
A bunch of physical, autoimmune disorders now. Map-fingerprint eye distrophy and inflammatory bowel disease. As well as CNS damage and heart arrhythmia.
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Nearly all the kids in foster care wind up on psych drugs PD. Read Anatomy of an Epidemic.
CPS puts kids in foster homes.
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Something you never hear about is “non compliance shaming.”
There are dozens–no hundreds of websites and mags where people can praise their pills, shots, shocks. NOWHERE but MIA and a couple private sites are available for those of us who know we have been damaged.
Weird how happy consumers keep logging in here to yell at us instead of going to one of the countless other sites to tell how happy and productive their “meds” have made them and how they found salvation in psychiatry alone.
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Ironically, Bonnie, your resistance to psychiatry has been likened to eugenics by a grateful consumer who stirred up trouble because of your scholarship. I get so frustrated with battling mindsets that assume brain chemical imbalances are a PROVEN FACT and nothing I say or show convinces them.
I just want to rip my hair out at such willful ignorance. Why is reading an article from the APA journal or this resource or listening to me talk about Anatomy of an Epidemic too hard for my friends? Why this resistance to learning anything not approved by the boobtube? 🙁
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The big wigs running the APA and inventing “illnesses” for the DSM have an astounding lack of empathy or compassion. And they have diagnosed themselves as Sane. 😀
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The vast majority of the public–and even many non-celebrity psychiatrists–believe that Oldhead.
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And yet SSRI and SNRI drugs are supposed to prevent violent crimes according to prominent shrinks. 🙁
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Laws are always legal. But they can be very immoral.
Read “Civil Disobedience” by Thoreau.
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I misread the New York Times book review.
Dr. Harrington said psychiatrists should focus on people who are totally “out of it” and leave depressed people and squirming children alone. It went on to say these people are already in institutions or prisons. Dr. Harrington does NOT recommend putting them there.
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Thank you for this review Sandra Steingard. I ran into a copy of Anne Harrington’s book when visiting the library of another town and could only skim it.
When she talks about a “sympathetic view” of psychiatry I ask myself “Sympathetic towards whom?”
I am one of those who derived more harm than good from standard psychiatric treatments. Not psychotic till I took Anafranil for 3 weeks. Got diagnosed “Bipolar 2” and put on 3-4 drugs as a consequence.
After 20 years I became chronically ill. Finally went off the drugs in secret with only online support. Forced to live on SSI even now thanks to IBD and nerve damage from long term drug use.
It troubles me that Dr. Harrington wants to lock up swaths of people in institutions. Doc Torrey, our old friend, has gone on record saying we need to build more institutions. So is he admitting his magical pills are NOT 100% safe and effective after all?
A lot of us have suffered long term iatrogenic damage already from drugs that drove us crazier than before we took them. Now they want to simply lock us up and throw away the key? 🙁
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Arguing with psychiatrists and “mental health” professionals is indeed futile.
While I agree with Bob Nickel that these changes would be an improvement, I also agree with Oldhead. The “MH System” is too invested in preserving its own money and power to reason with survivors.
Rather than waste time and energy debating shrinks, we need to win over the kind but deceived people who honestly think psychiatry helps its victims. A lot of people I know fall in this category.
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It was a joke PD.
I was writing in the fictitious persona of Dr. B.S. Gas, professor of psychiatry at Windy Way University.
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Creating trauma and calling it care. Sounds right.
Lol.
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Let me clarify. By “always” I meant generally and from the beginning. Ever since Francis Galton cooked up his theory that crimes were due to “bad breeding” and certain families of “moral degenerates” were less than human.
After World War II killing/sterilizing the unfit became unpopular. Even among psychiatrists.
Recently they found they can transform people into cash cows through the drug induced “bipolar” epidemic. Since they can’t milk dead cows they oppose suicide–assisted or otherwise.
My fear is since shrinks are notorious for forcing their own will on patients that euthanasia–once permitted–would NOT be truly voluntary. They can force AOT on people after all.
Why not say, “Your honor, Erma Jones thinks she wants to live. This is only due to lack of insight into the severity of her condition. The only humane thing to do is permanently fix her schizoaffective/BPD/agosognosia by mercy killing. If she screams and pleads for her life remember it’s just her illness talking.”
For now, in America, they find it more profitable to slowly destroy our brains and other organs.
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Precisely. I can’t afford Dr. Kelly’s expensive diet of wild salmon, grass fed beef and organic veggies. Let alone pay for office visits.
Glad for those she has helped. Maybe they’re depressed wives of millionaires.
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Very good Bob!
For number 2 I wish people would acknowledge the drugs the person is forced to take on AOC can make them weirder than ever. Abilify has 4 warnings about “odd behaviors” as a potential side effect and has been linked to an increase in poor impulse control.
Yet Abilify seems to be a favorite for AOT. How is this supposed to help people act responsibly and obey the law?
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People are killed by orderlies in psych wards too. Sera Davidow has written articles about that.
NAMI makes another public statement linking violence and felonies to psych labels. Great PR. For NAMI.
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Thank you Njinsky. 🙂 Actually the Parkinsonism is gone. Got off the drugs in time.
My big problem now is microscopic colitis linked to a wider auto-immune disorder. There is a lot of that in our society you’ll notice. Also terrible short term memory and other things linked to the CNS. My dad is begging me to get tested for Lymes though i think it’s not that.
The reason I said such harsh stuff about Torrey is because he strongly supports “medications” to prevent crimes or just odd behaviors on the one hand. But in a book called Mind Fixers by Anne Harrington he goes on record as saying the only real help for “schizophrenics” is institutionalization. Either his memory is failing or he is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
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Drugs did NOT make me passably acceptable to people.
Doubling body weight, tics, inability to observe social cues or hold a job…not passably acceptable in our society. So that in itself is a bald faced lie.
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The American Psychiatric Association is against AA too PacificDawn. They oppose it on the grounds of how unscientific it is. 😉
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…As medical professionals, we cannot afford to view our patients’ afflictions in emotional or humanizing terms. Nor can we afford the luxury of supposing that the only treatment we offer causes permanent incapacity and premature cessation of physiological vitality.
The best evidence suggests that focusing solely on the modality of treatment (whether pharmaceutical agents, ECT, or a synergistic combination of both with compliance enforcing therapy) is more important than the outcomes themselves.
Needless to say, we must take precautions against plunging heedlessly into the maze of spontaneous eclecticism in our modalities. If we recommend therapy or treatment for actual (physical) diseases we may undermine the credibility of our science.
We must allow ourselves to be guided by studies designed to prove the effectiveness of the treatments we offer and the evidence carefully selected to support the same….
It is time to consign this “chemical imbalance” metaphor to the dunghill of vicious cartoons. As medical practitioners of a legitimate science it is an outrage that people actually think we believe the nonsense which we publicly promote.
~from “Professional Outrage of a Well-Informed Liar”
Don’t bother searching the archives of the APA Journal. This is a satire.
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Thank you for this story Lee. What you experienced sounds like what they used to call “negative self talk.” Till throwing pills at every sorrow became the rage.
Did you know William Glasser (who rejected mainstream psychiatry) considered voice hearing and hallucinations as subconscious acts of creativity?
Your art is beautiful. I wish you success in your future career.
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Some politicians hire “hatchet men” to slander opponents. We have that going on with the APA letting drug commercials, “mental health” centers, and NAMI do its dirty work.
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Precisely!
In defense of Pies he himself never spread the lies. (To my knowledge.) But he was more than happy to let others do so.
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Thanks for the info Wallenfan.
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“Show me the biomarker!” should be the rallying cry of survivors.
Assuming–for the sake of argument–that a pre-“treatment” brain abnormality existed, until they knew what it was how can they claim the drugs corrected it?
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Ever notice how a lot of articles from psychiatrists’ journals contain literary allusions and quotes from poets? To my knowledge they are the only medical specialty that does this regularly.
Pies is really ticked off at all the people claiming psychiatrists actually believe in the chemical imbalance.
Kudos to all his tireless efforts at putting out PSA’s and going on speaking tours to educate the public so they know better and how he used professional influence to stop NAMI from printing misleading brochures. Lol.
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“Theses drugs improve people’s lives.”
Shrinks’ for example. They earn $250,000 per year (or more) and professional glory by defaming people, making them die 25 years prematurely and forcing them to live in poverty and segregation.
What psych drug was Jill Kesti taking to keep her awake for 3 weeks? Mine was Anafranil. And shrinks pretend the psychosis was caused by noncompliance since “the meds never have that effect on anyone.” And after 3 weeks of no sleep I had bizarre notions of running around naked and screaming obscenities I could barely repress. MEDS COMPLIANT THE WHOLE XXXX TIME!
I tearfully told my parents how I couldn’t think straight on massive quantities of drugs, though I took them faithfully. The good doctor would kindly gas light me. “Those medications are 100% effective on anyone who takes them exactly as prescribed. And Haldol doesn’t cause seizures. Your daughter is obviously non compliant and lying like They all do.”
After years in the system I took to saying stuff that wasn’t true. Mom wondered at it since I had always been scrupulously honest.
Shrinks had turned me into a drug addict. Which explains my personality change. And due to their gas lighting I could no longer tell truth from reality.
Thank God I kept from killing myself and am mentally the woman I used to be. Only older and horribly sick with IBD which I blame on 2 decades of SSRI drugs.
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Lots of places like that in my state. I don’t mean to brag but NAMI gave us a D- in our mental illness system. It’s hard to get better than that in America. 🙂
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And the McCarthy era.
Psychiatrist: Do you have schizophrenia?
Accused: Yes.
Psychiatrist: You admit it. I sentence you to 12 mg Haldol a day for life.
Psychiatrist: Do you have schizophrenia?
Accused: No.
Psychiatrist: Schizophrenics lack insight so you must be a schizophrenic with agosognosia. I sentence you to 15 mg Haldol a day for life. Strictly voluntary, but if non compliant we have far less pleasant ways of dealing with your kind.
Heads the shrink wins. Tails you lose.
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I would do everything in my power to prevent someone from suicide, aside from seeking psych “help.” That would make them far more likely to kill themselves. Some even do it while locked up.
It’s extremely hypocritical for shrinks to oppose suicide under the guise of “compassion” when the profession has always been about involuntary euthanasia and sterilization of those they deem “unfit.” Their “treatments” are nothing but a slow, agonizing death sentence. After 25 years of “help” I can barely leave my house most days.
Now some shrinks support “assisted suicide.” Totally voluntary–but we all know for those labeled “SMI” the word voluntary means absolutely nothing for us.
If someone really wants to destroy him or herself they don’t need a doctor to do it. Ending a life is way too easy. I think that’s why Szazs mocked Jack the Dripper Kavorkian.
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Pshaw!
The “good doctor” Torrey says! Who are you mere mortal human to question this self appointed deity?
Not like psychiatrists would ever knowingly deceive patients or the public after all. 😛 Psychiatry is the only medical specialty that publicly maligns the character of its patients on national television.
Torrey’s sole goal in appearing on TV is the CREATION of stigma against those his profession has damaged. Ending it is the last thing his ilk would want.
Far worse than Farid Fata. He lied to patients, crippled and killed them. But at least he didn’t gas light them and go on TV accusing them of murders never committed and urge the public to segregate and imprison them.
Seems Torrey knows his BS can no longer be hidden. Too obvious his poisons are not magic cure-alls. So he is now running around urging to have all the “SMI” locked up forever. Seriously.
Wish we had surveys on how many folks labeled “SMI” started out normal and rational till psychiatry got its claws on them.
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I’m sure he was suffering. But there are laws against public nudity for a reason.
If some women or children had run across a naked man screaming at the moon in twilight they would also have suffered.
Not sure what to do in cases like that. He probably would fare better being tried for the crime of indecent exposure by a real court for human beings.
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Back off Torrey.
I’ll sick my cat on you. Bwahahaha! 😀
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Neither justice nor mercy from the Mental Illness System that promises both.
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Bingo.
Just think. Destruction of higher reasoning functions does not lead to a reformed moral character.
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I have a friend who works as a speech pathologist. Largely with those suffering from TBI.
She told me 90% of those who suffer extensive brain damage become far nastier and harder to live with. (I believe individual choice plays a role too but we’re discussing generalities.) When people are drunk or high on heroine or meth they don’t turn from evil killers to sweet, gentle little lambs.
Yet shrinks like Torrey claim that the way to prevent crime is to force everyone his profession has written off as hopeless and subhuman to partake of “treatments” consisting of—traumatic brain injury and mind altering drugs. Despicable. And–even those who choose to take those drugs he lies about suffer from the public defamation. Muzzled or not, no one wants to hang with Hannibal Lector
Lying all the time, zero empathy for those harmed, a profound hubris setting himself over those he has branded subhuman–these are all personality traits Torrey has displayed. Why have we made men like him the moral guardians of our society?
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Well said!
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It was a relief to me when I found the Biomedical model had no basis. That people like me were not monsters after all and the drugs really were messing up my thinking. (Not imagining it or faking the Parkinsons and seizures.)
Like that scene in T.S. Eliot’s The Cocktail Party where the woman is glad to know things are (partly) her fault because she can change them after all.
Psych “diagnoses” are unduly pessimistic and lead to us being treated worse than convicted felons. But they help shrinks and groups like NAMI make money and maintain political clout. So they will keep promoting them unless forced to stop.
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Not interested in dating now. Trying to pick up the shards of my life. My body is slower to heal than my soul oddly enough.
Looking for work. Too old for kids so I’ve lost all romantic interest.
I don’t think Melissa meant to give me callous BS. She honestly believed there was some invisible bond between everyone labeled “bipolar” so only we can understand each other. Well–it does sound like BS now that I think of it. 😀
Almost married a fellow “bipolar” I had little in common with. He had the mind of an 8 year old and wanted a mother.
Maybe try POF or OKCupid? Wait till they really know you before sharing your story.
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I sought out psychiatric help because of some rough experiences. An awkward loner in my teens. Had felt there was something bad/wrong with me for a long time.
My dad was a clergyman who couldn’t keep a church for long. How long he stayed depended on how well his family members–as well as he–performed for the “right” people. Appearance was EVERYTHING. And we were watched ALL the time. I felt woefully inadequate.
2 years of sexualized bullying in high school made my anxiety worse than ever. (And made me loathe my body.)
Depressed and anxious as a college freshman I was afraid to leave my dorm room. Dr. M gave me Stelazine which took the edge off my anxiety. Unfortunately it made me sluggish, numb and the good effects wore off.
I mentioned I had negative thoughts that wouldn’t leave on a visit later. Dr. M put me on Anafranil. No sleep for 3 weeks. 23 years in the MH System as punishment for my bad reaction to a drug he put me on. (My sister is allergic to penicillin but no one suggested she be shamed and segregated forever.)
I would have told young me to 1. Get a driver’s license despite Mom’s protests. Can’t go car free in Indiana. 2. Drop out of the university and get a clerical job after a year at business school. A 4 year degree was my parents’ dream. Not mine. And they were dead wrong when they said it would help me find work. No MI history and a good work history are the ticket. I held several jobs in my teens and had a reputation as a conscientious worker. All ruined at age 20.
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Fewer Americans are choosing to become psychiatrists. Not sure why; it’s complicated.
Psychiatrists tend toward arrogance because their authority is absolute and goes unchallenged in our courts.
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Lol. 😀 The real reason “mentally ill” often choose to only date each other is the reason lepers in leper colonies do. No one else will dare touch these social outcasts.
Not bashing those called SMI. Discrimination is real.
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Psychiatrists have a vested interest in keeping everybody their profession “diagnoses” “medicated” till they die alone, crippled, and miserable in a HUD slum or institution before their fifty-third birthday. Why? So these professionals can enjoy the glory and honor of Real Scientists and honest-to-gosh doctors and live lavish lifestyles on seven digit incomes.
It’s obvious who benefits the most from neuroleptics.
And the bare idea of survivors who escape and lead good lives despite mainstream psychiatry’s best efforts must stick in their craw.
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Loved your essay Phoebe. I’m checking out your art site.
I find caffeine helped me create in the past. Now I have one cup mixed with half decaf each morning. Off psych drugs now I find more caffeine too stimulating. Used to drink 5-10 cups a day on “meds.” And still slept 10-12 hours out of 24.
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Tiff how does your son seem better? Are his odd behaviors and words lessened? Maybe his anxiety is better. I had short term benefits on the drug Stelazine at 6 mg for a few months.
I seemed better on psych “meds” to those around me because I was too tired/deadened to do or say anything weird. But i could never build an adult life for myself, wound up with OCD, couldn’t get along with others due to emotional numbness, have not been gainfully employed since my teens and was in low grade depression non-stop for over 15 years. Frequently suicidal.
I went off my “meds” without my family’s knowledge. Asked forgiveness rather than permission. Mom was shocked at how improved I am now, but my organizational skills and short term memory are horrible and may not improve much. Still, my OCD is gone along with extreme depression. I get along better with people when not exhausted from the iatrogenic disease I developed and am motivated to keep my room clean (despite aforementioned fatigue.)
Mom swears I used to need the “meds” though I was fully compliant during my freakiest episodes. The numbing out would make me do dumb things I never did before. Short term effects were way better than long term.
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Tardive psychosis came with my experience on neuroleptics. i didn’t know that was a thing for decades. Doctors told me I didn’t know what I was talking about and it was just my “illness” talking when I tearfully told everyone ‘Antipsychotics make me psychotic.”
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People have the right to act stupid and make mistakes.
A major mistake a lot of moms make is protecting kids from taking risks/making dumb mistakes. How else can they learn and grow up?
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Bwahahaha! 😀
Discontinuation of beatings improves health too.
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Yes. What “schizophrenics” have in common is being drugged up with neuroleptics.
No neuroleptics = no cognitive impairment.
As Peter Breggin says shutting down the brain is how these drugs work.
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Thank you Dr. Paula.
Trying to fit human beings into neat little pigeon holes is actually what we call stereotyping. “All women love to knit.” Part of the problem with racism/sexism/other prejudice is it claims everyone in Group X is alike–lumping diverse individuals into a blanket category and subtly dehumanizing them in the process.
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The only significant thing about this piece of news is that Psychiatry Research admits what most familiar with the System have known forever.
It’s worth noting that 2 people can have the same “diagnosis” with no traits in common. Yet shrinks say we are all alike and should be subjected to the same “treatment” and psycho-therapists have told me I should only date others with my label. Since being called “bipolar 2” is way more important than life philosophy/religion, common interests, personal connection and life goals.
We’re all alike after all. 😛 Grrr!
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I think Matthew Warren was an introvert. Just a theory.
Saddleback is really into group activities and Rick has gone on record saying “Jesus was an extrovert.” I refer you to an analysis of that mega-church in Quiet by Susan Cain.
As a preacher’s daughter I got tired of being in the public eye and the constant criticism. I also need my downtime and the pressure–even as a child of nine–led to a couple break downs.
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“I don’t have data for this, but…suicide risk is greater for those undergoing psychotherapy….”
Well publishing articles based on such data would be unethical anyhow
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Thanks for pointing this out Hobbes. 🙂
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Became suicidal after being drugged up on 10 mg of Haldol and labeled SMI got me kicked out of college and my zoned out behaviors infuriated my long suffering family. Was put on Zoloft and a “mood stabilizer” in the psych ward.
After 22 years on a “cocktail” I tapered off over 13 months. I have the will to live again, sickly as I am thanks to a ruined digestion. Never suicidal.
Just an anecdote. But the psych community loves anecdotes and uses them all the time. They just don’t like mine because it won’t sell their pills.
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My nightmare with anafranil.
No one listened to me either. 🙁
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Sorry. I agree I should have used scare quotes.
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A sure fire proof of good insight is when a shrink holds up four fingers and insists you see five. By means of their safe and effective treatments you wind up screaming that you do indeed see five. And you do. Thus they restore their vic–uh–patients to sanity.
I never knew what insanity truly was till I sought “help” from a shrink. His methods created my madness.
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So in the case of that man, he was using his “mental illness” label to hurt others as opposed to having others use it to hurt him?
Sounds plausible. I have seen cases of that, though they’re fewer than most people admit.
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Not to worry Steve!
The Mental Illness Centers help with weight gain of 100+ pounds by mocking everybody for how fat they are in day treatment. Some scrawny little case worker with full gym membership who doesn’t take the neurotoxins they’re forced to, lectures “clients” for more than an hour at a time about how “mentally ill” people have no self control.
Also had a joker who ran the “Club House” ridicule us for sleeping to much and being too thirsty. Accused us of dipsomania because our mouths were dry. 😛
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I relocated. I promised to find a new “mental health” center and then didn’t.
Off my bipolar inducers now. Building my health up and looking for work after 25 years in the Madhouse Without Walls!
No one knows I’m supposed to be an “unmedicated bipolar” since I don’t act the part, not being on the drugs that caused my psychosis/mood swings anymore.
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Good point!
Robert Whitaker comes to this same conclusion.
Psych drugs can help short term, but long term they will destroy you.
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Tardive psychosis is real.
Mine was iatrogenically caused by massive quantities of Haldol and Stelazine. Along with Parkinsonism, mini-seizures, and OCD I had not exhibited before taking psychiatric drugs.
I started out depressed and anxious because I feared social rejection. Psychiatry made my fears come true and almost drove me to suicide.
My tale is all too typical.
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I agree with Rosalee, Bob. I would welcome a continuation of this essay.
Glad you went through with your decision to make a career change. You sound like you are good at working with people. As a former engineer you have a lot to offer adults in remedial education.
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Njinsky I know it wasn’t a movie. I wish it were.
Totally stupid. And, as others have pointed out, beating someone over the head with a wooden ball bat can have similar benefits.
I remember reading a report by Dr. Abrams about how some institutionalized people were cured of “schizophrenia” by accidentally spilling boiling water on themselves. The only reason psychiatrists have not tried boiling water is it would be hard to cook up some sciencey sounding gobbledy-gook to establish how they ARE SO REAL DOCTORS! 😛
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What I had in common with other “bipolars” were the problems created by those claiming to help us. Extreme poverty/unemployment, obesity, excessive thirst, sleeping all the time or not enough, relationship problems because our relatives learned we were “psychotic monsters,” and the ever present threat of homelessness (thanks to the extreme poverty, unemployment, and relatives’ shunning.)
All caused by the stigmatizing lables and drugs handed out so freely by the Mental Illness Center.
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My condolences Ted.
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PD, I don’t subscribe or write to NAMI, BipolarHope, Wellness Place, etc. Just pointing out to those who want to sing the praises of their psych remedies that there are dozens if not hundreds of other sites on the internet that allow them to do so.
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Never heard of a school of psychiatry called “critical.” It refers to a way of perceiving psychiatry versus “anti” or “pro/mainstream.”
Yes “therapists” who exist solely for the purpose of forcing kids to repress abuse memories are pretty evil, though I have not actually met any.
My mom’s counselor did the exact opposite and helped her remember stuff she had buried and deal with it. Encouraged her to get her 4 year degree in education and pursue a career as a teacher. A great “treatment” for depression before the bio-model took over.
Now all they do is throw pills at everything. Counselors provide no advice to those branded SMI beyond “take your meds and accept how hopeless your life will always be.” Because of this wide-spread sell out I avoid counseling and urge others to do likewise. Especially at those “Mental Health” Indoctrination Centers. 😛
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Oh brother.
Maybe the devil wanted to see Gene tormented through shock therapy. *Eye roll.*
A lot of supposedly religious folk will sell out to pseudo science when it fits their purposes. Like when some church goers argued eugenics to exploit other ethnic groups. Since eugenics presupposes evolution–not arguing that here–but the 19th century church did not, they decided God created whites in His own image. But other people evolved from apes. (Nowadays scientists say “a common ancestor.” I’m talking about Victorian science.)
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Pills don’t feel shame. People do.
When a shrink–or at least as often a Big Pharma marketing huckster–points a finger at someone putting down someone being harmed by their quackery they have four fingers pointing back at themselves!
Psychiatry is nothing but SHAME if you take away the trappings of drugs and psycho-surgery.
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IMO the lies mean it’s not truly voluntary.
Were Dr. Farid Fata’s patients voluntary victims when he subjected them to numerous rounds of chemo under the pretext that they had leukemia? If a doctor sells heroine to his patients by telling them they have diabetes and it’s insulin are they voluntary?
The only excuse I can give for psychiatrists is that SOME–not sure how many–actually believe the lies they promote about the “chemical imbalance.” According to Dr. Pies they are uninformed. Tsk tsk. So bad to accuse his profession of ignorance. He’s proud of what a well-informed, professionally competent charlatan he is. 😀
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Hey Someone Else.
I thought of your story as soon as I read the title to this. 🙂
Like you I started out with a mild problem. Anxiety and depression instead of smoking. Got “help” and went completely bonkers. The quacks pretended to be surprised.
Psychiatry is never having to say you’re sorry.
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Absorbed my own mother’s fears.
She loved us dearly and meant well. But as an intuitive child I picked up on her pain. (Her own childhood.) Along with the community politics associated with Dad’s career.
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Psychiatry: the science of shutting down thought
I understand Doc Pies wants a new name to rebrand their image. Maybe trade in “psychiatrists” for “anticogitationists”?
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Great point!
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I have been shamed numerous times for not taking my “medicine.” Ironically this was when I took them religiously. They were like food or oxygen to me….I thought.
Then I would be consumed with self loathing and suicidal longings. The pills were magic. So it must be my fault I couldn’t think straight, gained 60 pounds in 3 months, couldn’t study or understand social cues anymore.
Tapered off them. Lo and behold my head didn’t spontaneously combust from all those imbalanced chemicals reacting. And gravity still exists. My folks didn’t know about it for over 32 months. And I was living with them too. They were kind of surprised.
Yep. Psychiatrists were wrong after all.
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I think Francis 3 has a good idea.
This is supposed to be a Critical Psychiatry site as opposed to Anti Psychiatry.
Get a bunch of anecdotes together for a just and balanced view of the psych treatments. Both sides though.
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How about avoiding homelessness or an institution?
Taking my “meds” did not help me with either.
Now I can finally work again. My own anecdote.
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There are places like BipolarHope, NAMI, WellnessPlace, etc. where you can do that.
Why do you call them psychological instead of neurological BTW? What’s the difference? And if there isn’t one why is the terminology different?
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Requiring Big Pharma to shell out $1,000,000 to maintain each of the “mentally ill” brain trauma victims they have created would be a very good thing. Especially since it might force these unaccountable corporations to downsize and focus on medicines that help people. Instead of crippling and killing the formerly healthy. And ban the drug ads
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Twitter has really gone downhill.
A great tool for stirring up angry mobs with minimum appeal to reason. Perfect for a “science” consisting of nothing but political propaganda and marketing campaigns.
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A lot of us don’t WANT to become homeless PF.
If you enjoy sleeping under bridges and dumpster diving for meals go for it. But you don’t speak for everybody.
I will pass. Got a job now. And I am grateful to be able to work so I can avoid institutions or life in the streets.
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Not Stockholm Syndrome for all of us.
I honestly believed the lies NAMI pushes. That my “mental illness” was caused by a proven chemical imbalance.
When I found out the truth I was devastated. But instead of “killing the messenger” I planned a suicide. The plan was really an effective one. If a dear friend hadn’t stopped me I almost surely would be dead.
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There are plenty of ex-smokers who act pretty self righteous toward those struggling to quit. And formerly obese people sneering at those who can’t lose or are too busy with other stuff to do 24 hours of step aerobics a week.
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Trauma Inflicting Coercion.
Appropriately called TIC. And they’ll have tics aplenty along with seizures, tardive psychosis, morbid obesity, akathisia, and diminished IQ. All children being groomed for lives of isolation and physician induced disability so these Dr. Mengele wanna be’s can try cruel pointless experiments on them.
Pardon me while I go off and cry.
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So Oldhead you never had a shrink say, “I don’t know what’s wrong with you. You look perfectly healthy. But your behaviors/thoughts/mannerisms/tone of voice bug me. So I’m going to lock you up and experiment on you with a bunch of mind altering drugs. Been ‘tested’ by the place that manufactured them. No conflict of interest there.
“Nobody knows what the long term results of these drugs are. Or even how they work. But I’m sure they work cause Yolanda, that hot babe of a Pharma rep offered me warm doughnuts–and further…office calls–if I try this out on a lucky consumer.
“So how bout it? You don’t want poor old Doc Quackenbush to go doughnutless would you?” 😀
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I’m leery too Frank.
Know what would make me celebrate? A bill requiring the bureacrats and Rx drug dealers to leave our kids alone.
Never trust the Mental Illness makers. Especially when Big Brother has got their back.
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There’s a thing called the Sunken Cost Fallacy. After a heavy investment–be it money, time, effort–people prefer to keep investing in it though common sense would be to cut their losses and bail out.
I think that’s at work among the “consumers” who get angry at the messenger. Perfectly normal human reaction.
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I agree KS.
Many of us who have been damaged by these poisons–and know it–are shamed ALL the freaking time. I was shamed for a bad reaction to Anafranil and given the label “bipolar” for life. Psychiatrists love to punish their test subjects for suffering too visibly.
No offense toward Sera Davidow, but I wish our feelings (and ruined reputations and blighted lives) were taken into account more often. I don’t perceive this article itself as guilty in that respect though.
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It’s harder than quitting booze or cigarettes. Harder than quitting heroine even. Because your “dealer” has the legal ability to hunt you down, lock you up, and torture you for “just saying no.”
The courts defer to the dealers and their mobster cronies (Pfizer, Lilly, Johnson & Johnson, etc.) buy all our politicians. Sickening!
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“Pill shaming” is as absurd an etiological construct as “mental illness.” Pills feel no shame.
People who have been tricked or forced into taking them do. They have already been hurt, and the truth can be very traumatic, causing them to “kill the messenger.”
Those who squeal loudest about “pill shaming” are usually the Patient Shamers. Psychiatric bigwigs blame everything on their victims in order to exonerate their precious pills. Shame on them!
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Franarchist I have to agree with you there. The key word being GOOD counseling. And consensual. Any other kind is abusive.
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How about “mental hygiene”? The very sound of that is creepy.
There’s a reason they don’t call those indoctrination camps “mental hygiene centers.” 🙂
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That too. 😉
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The virtual conference sounds good Eric. Count me in.
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In lieu of the term “mentally ill” I suggest the term “psychiatrized.” This term could include grateful “consumers” as well as escaped survivors and everyone in between.
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Who will rehabilitate Ted Bundy?
Dr. Josef Mengele at your service.
Physician, heal thyself.
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I was an ideal patient for years. Took my drugs believing they corrected a brain anomaly that would make me do evil things if left unchecked.
No one ever asked me what “diagnosis” I preferred.
I am finally overcoming challenges and changing in my mid forties, but only because I left psychiatry.
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And yet “diagnoses” ARE lifelong. NAMI and psychiatrists routinely tell people they know why they’re “defective.”
Realizing you were lied to all your adult life and cheated out of everything for no good reason is unavoidably hurtful. 🙁 Stopping the lies may spare others our suffering.
They get you fired from jobs, denied housing, denied custody of kids, and kicked out of college.
They allow harmless law-abiding citizens to be lumped into the same category as serial killers.
My label made me want to kill myself. Rejecting it gave me the will to live.
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Njinsky, teaching people who “know” what is false is harder than starting from scratch.
Is that what you’re saying? If so, I agree.
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I prefer the term “emotional distress.” Dr. William Glasser called bizarre mental states “creative symptoming.”
Have you read any books by him Mad in Canada? I recommend Choice Theory. The neat thing about Reality Therapy/Choice Theory is you wouldn’t have to get your son to go. You could learn how to draw him back to the real world using methods Glasser employed.
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Well said.
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Robert Whitaker covers that in his books Anatomy of an Epidemic and Mad in America. Interesting stories.
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You think the government will stop psychiatry and save kids from abusive parents who use psychiatry to drug them?
Ever heard of Justine Pellegier? Other parents here could tell of the fights they had getting their kids out of institutions with shocks and drugs.
Psychiatry IS the state.
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MIC speaking as a “mentally ill” adult child sometimes I pity my parents more than myself.
Off my drugs which never helped and made me crazier than before, I still can’t work. My SSI won’t pay for housing so I have to live with my retired parents. In my mid-forties and have the symptoms of bad Crohn’s Disease. Iatrogenic damage on my digestive system.
It’s rough on my parents. Having me here depresses Mom. Sometimes I feel guilty for just existing.
The reason I took the drugs that have crippled me and kept me from gainful employment as an adult is it pleased my folks. Mom repeatedly told me how my “meds” made me more pleasant to be around so they must work. 🙁
Looking back she disliked me talking. The solution was never talk unless she speaks to me and she picks the topic. I do this and she thinks I don’t need “meds” though she still threatens to send me to a “home” when I misplace things. (TBI is to blame.)
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Hugs Njinsky.
We need less emotional PSAs perhaps. But the pro psych side has plenty of emotional stuff too. Crime dramas. A lot of NAMI stuff. Books like Crazy. And don’t forget the way Tim Murphy exploited those grieving families to get what he wanted.
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Well conditions like anemia, thyroid disease, Lyme’s disease, traumatic brain injury, etc. can cause depression and problems thinking straight.
BUT we don’t see psychiatrists to treat these problems. We see nutritionists, endocrinologists, neurologists, and so on. The best way to get TBI (and other physical problems) is to see a shrink. As Peter Breggin says, “That’s how it WORKS.”
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Ironically the bio model can increase prejudice toward those labeled “mentally ill.”
Once my dorm mom found out I was supposed to be “schizo affective” she grew hostile to me. I was horribly depressed and had drug induced seizures. My mom had a similar reaction. Cause TV shows depicted how wonderful psychiatry is.
Everyone blamed my grief/loneliness/seizures on not being compliant. Because “meds” magically fix everything. So if your suffering annoys others you must be a naughty patient who deserves to be punished.
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Dr. K was being sarcastic.
His writings make it clear he opposes sedation, blaming problems on a fictitious plague, or scams. That last word is a give away. 🙂
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It’s especially bad if the community knows you’re supposed to be “mentally ill.”
Another reason to dislike HUD ghettos.
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The Law cannot save.
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Good point.
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“…I would add that MIA shouldn’t have research or science departments; you can’t beat something by joining it — by doing so, you’re legitimizing it.”
A lot of us survivors agree Dr. K.
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“Mental illness” is not a social construct but an etiological one. 🙂
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Our society has no patience with the unhappy.
There’s a real stigma against unhappiness. Unless you get an official “diagnosis” and take pills for it. Then you can explain your blues by saying “I have a real brain disease causing my depression. I take drug/s X for it.” Then everyone is expected to show sympathy.
My response? Who the heck says you have to grin ear to ear all the time? We have the right to feel unhappy.
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The poem Ecclesiastes was written over 2 millennia ago. Nothing new under the sun.
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Thank you Dr. Caplan. I like your analogy of psych labels as constellations in the sky in They Call You Crazy.
I see them as libelous slander. Moral judgments against people. Psychiatrists go on TV saying things like, “That mother murdered her two sons because her bipolar made her do it.”
Great plug for his profession. But it’s a slam against everyone he and others have labeled who do NOT murder small children.
This used to really bug me, even when I thought psychiatry was real medicine and followed their orders exactly as told. No other medical specialty regularly badmouths its patients. You don’t hear cardiologists telling how those with heart disease are violent. Nor osteopaths saying those with bone cancer are deceitful.
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Yes Steve Spiegel. But they sell more pills by denying our humanity.
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Gabrielle Glazier.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/
The a priori assumption being that psychiatry is rational. To my knowledge there are no surveys or papers proving that alcoholics put on SSRI drugs fair better than those who don’t. (If there are she should have cited them. Citing the psych “expert” was apparently sufficient for Gabby.)
But don’t question Real Science folks.
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Bcharris I don’t ascribe my vitamin deficiencies to my emotional problems as a teen, but they are the result of iatrogenic Crohn’s Disease symptoms from decades of using them in good faith.
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Psychiatry is the perfect religion for the control freak materialist.
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“Sick” is a synonym for evil as far as psychiatry goes.
“Why did that man murder that kindergarten class?” With the understanding that his ex taught the class.
The normal person says the man was evil.
The mainstream shrink says he was “sick.” Then he calls a bunch of law abiding citizens “sick” as well so he has an excuse to treat them like criminals.
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Lauren, your story is a lot like mine.
Went on Anafranil in 1994. Had persistent thoughts I hated and was very nervous.
Anafranil kept me awake for 3 weeks. I hallucinated for the first time. Dr. M blamed it on me, claiming Anafranil never had that effect on anyone.
Ruined my life. Escaped “mental health” at 43. Living with my elderly parents after 2 years. Too damaged to work.
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So PacificDawn are you an attorney? Or someone else in the legal field?
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I was using “psychic” in the pejorative sense. Like the con artists who advertise on daytime TV.
Psychiatrists claim the ability to read minds (can tell what the thoughts of patients are) and predict the future (will he commit a violent crime or not.)
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There are a number of us who were turned into “ne’re do wells” through psych treatments. Psychiatric drugs, labels, and hospitalizations ruined all my hope for gainful employment.
Crippling and defamation is a great way to ruin a life. 🙁
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Rick’s Hope4MentalHealth circle is disingenuous.
The five Scriptures have nothing to do with psychiatry. Ignorant or dishonest.
The Five “Truths” of the circle should read:
1. I’m upset. vs You’re sick and crazy.
2. I need hope. vs You need a counselor to tell you to give up on life.
3. I need love. vs You need to be segregated.
4. I need help with obvious life problems. (Poverty, physical issues, abuse.) vs You need drugs and probably shocks too.
5. I’m unhappy. vs You are a disease.
That’s what Psychiatry is really about. Rick doesn’t mention this. Perhaps he wants to offer real help, but why not just give it instead of promoting drugs and segregation?
Psychiatry did NOT save your son Rick. Why push it as the magic cure to everybody else?
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I agree.
It’s not an either/or thing.
A lot of the abolitionists worked the Underground Railroad before slavery was finally outlawed. We need a similar support system to help people being destroyed by psychiatry.
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Murphy is a psychiatrist. Not someone who talks to his objects of “compassion.” Just a provider of drugs and shocks.
He transitioned easily into politics since he already had professional experience as a lying, controlling bureaucrat.
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Lawrence left out propagandists, professional psychics, and cult leaders.
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Queen of Swords, we need to help each other on a personal level. Not just political.
Activism is hard to do when you’re housebound from iatrogenic damage, ostracized thanks to your “diagnosis” or on the verge of homelessness.
Survivors like you are human beings. Not lab rats or political pawns.
Rant over.
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Been reading about Maiti Girtanner who wound up disabled after being tortured by a doctor in an interment camp. She never could pursue a career as a musician.
Those of us who have been “treated” for more than 8 years struggle with real disabilities–inflicted by respected professionals we often trusted. 🙁
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Psych drugs do not fix bad behaviors. Interesting this creeper was getting “help” the whole time he was doing this. Yet shrinks claim they are messianic figures that can transform mass shooters into Gandhi.
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A lot of states that can’t pass this could get around it by framing this as “treatment.” You can get away with any torture if you claim it’s for the Greater Good. (Like a shrink’s yacht payment and a drug CEO’s summer home.)
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Ugh! I’d rather squeeze a raisin anytime.
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Since shrinks are within their rights to imprison, damage and kill at their discretion we need a legislative overhaul. Changing the unjust law is essential.
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I take a monthly shots of B12. Low on B12, B6, iron, D3 and about everything to a lesser degree.
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Probably because burnout is the same as depression. Overwhelming feelings of sadness.
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Yes. Sadly there is a dearth of accurate information. I believe 90% of America’s population thinks all “mental illnesses” are caused by chemical imbalances proven to exist in people’s brains. Because NAMI and other educational orgs tell them so.
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I was drinking 2 quarts of coffee a day for a while. The only thing that made me feel alive. Now I drink one cup diluted with decaf and often get jittery.
i also lost all interest in diet soda pop since going drug free.
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More people involuntarily forced onto disability through the crippling effects of long term drugs may not be the (stated) intention of those supporting more “mental health.” But that is the practical result.
Spending more money to keep more people from gainful employment. Keeping them OUT of the workforce and forced to live on public assistance. A colossal waste of money. And human lives.
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Just read an article bashing AA as unscientific. The argument is alcoholics are people with the “brain disease” of depression which SCIENCE proves drugs called “antidepressants” can fix.
Like saying you can cure alcoholism by taking crack. Woo hoo!
As long as the quacks get paid. 😛
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In NAMI it was squeezing a raisin. (Then smelling and eating it.) Bwahahaha! 😀
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The Perfect Person is high in extrovertism. High in conscientiousness. Middle ground in agreeableness. Very low in ability to feel negative emotions. And a 0 in openness.
The Perfect Citizen.
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Don’t forget fortune telling. “Mental health” clairvoyants claim they can foresee crime sprees before they happen.
Yes, some psychics give tips to police officers in solving cases. But the only psychics judges themselves listen to are the self-styled prophets who can allegedly foretell the future of someone they never met at a hearing. And no one holds them accountable if murder/suicide occurs under treatment they impose either.
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Ad hoc fallacy.
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That’s why getting drunk or high are called “self medicating.” Alcohol and street drugs are no more dangerous or counterproductive than psych drugs. And if your bar tender or dealer locked you up to force his wares on you he would do serious time.
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Allow me to pour sugar in the engine please. I’m the expert.
The engine was already broken so whatever happens is your car’s fault not mine. It happened DESPITE my brilliant auto repair skills. Quit sugar shaming!
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Elizabeth I’m so thankful your son’s story has a happy ending.
I think the reason the suicide rate is so high among psychiatrists is many still have consciences.
This denial of the damage psychiatric drugs do is appalling. Patient shaming must stop!
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Label a bunch of shy, awkward , unhappy kids hopelessly defective.
Force them to take a cocktail of mind altering drugs.
Publicly parade them in front of others. Tell them how sick and crazy these kids are in order to lessen “stigma” through “education.”
Good golly, what could possibly go wrong with this plan?
It IS the perfect plan. Assuming the plan is grooming a criminal class through the educational system.
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Psychiatry is the penal system which exists solely to punish the suffering. Not the bullies but the bullied. Not abusive parents or spouses but battered kids and spouses.
If you suffered TBI, Lyme Disease, recent emotional trauma (like rape or homelessness) or a bad reaction to the SSRIs they hand out more freely than office mints don’t worry.
The mental illness makers will hunt you down and punish you good. Ensuring a lifetime of every abuse imaginable. 🙁
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I like this article Sera. Great insight into why folks want others on these “meds” though not the “insight” shrinks commend.
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Punishing law abiding citizens for crimes they MAY commit. Sadly, taking these drugs will not gain the “consumers” acceptance but worsen it as they create “positive symptoms” that never existed before taking the drugs.
My parents are taking my decision well because 1. They see I’m doing better drug free and enjoy better emotional stability off the cocktail supposed to “treat” the mood swings it caused. 2. They actually want what’s best for me. Not all family members do though. 🙁
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Szazs was not some cuddly, warm teddy bear you could hug. BUT he wouldn’t lock you up, drug you, or accuse you of crimes you never committed (diagnosing.)
Yes, he lacked mercy. But I appreciate his justice and rigorous honesty. Most shrinks pretend to be nice but are unmerciful, unjust, and phony as the house in Leave it to Beaver.
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Just in Oregon mind you.
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I guess Steve means Szazs acknowledges depression can be a symptom of a physical disorder like anemia or hypothyroidism. But we treat those with iron and thyroid supplements. Not SSRIs.
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Thinking people do.
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There is a religious group called CAPA. In America. Christians Against Psychiatric Abuse. Pentecostal. NOT affiliated with Scientology.
Most churches believe in psychiatry because they can’t believe doctors and pretty TV commercials could lie so flagrantly.
They also embrace psychiatry because it allows them to ignore the emotional needs of rejects.
They can look on them and say, “Be warm, be comforted, and take your ‘meds.’ Am I my brother’s keeper? Of course not. We have psychiatrists who serve that role.”
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Sodium nitroprusside. Hypotension, headaches, dizziness and a host of heart problems. Minor side effects for us crazies according to the APA.
It also causes restlessness and anxiety. Which they will either 1. Accuse the “patient” of faking. 2. Attribute it to the original malady they presuppose exists. Always the patient’s fault. Shame patients. Not pills.
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They need to treat themselves for antisocial behaviors.
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Many weak vulnerable individuals are incapable of protecting themselves. Against psychiatrists bent on locking them up, segregating them, and inflicting bodily damage through drugs and “surgery” for the purpose of destroying neuro function.
The treatments don’t heal or restore balance. All they do is impede cognitive function. Otherwise they would raise IQs instead of lowering them.
It’s not about helping people live longer. Nor restoring independence or productivity. It’s about rendering “patients” docile and passive to the point of helplessness. That way they can stuff us away in institutions or “mental health” ghettos.
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I remember a “mixed” NAMI chapter. “Loved ones” and “consumers” in one room. One woman would tearfully bemoan her “sick” son and his refusal of “treatments.”
His symptoms? He would dress up like Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Caribbean. Also deride the political party his mom and her friends belonged to. And he refused to look for work or move out.
Obviously he was acting rudely and irresponsibly. He probably enjoyed watching his mom clutch her pearls at his weird public behaviors. She needed to give him an ultimatum.
If “Jack” ever got the alleged help his mom wanted him to she will enjoy having him live in her basement unemployed forever. Or institutionalized. But as long as they are on drugs it’s okay if they can’t keep a job, live independently, clean their room, or string a coherent sentence together. It’s also okay to have horrible health problems and die prematurely.
If a psychiatrized person commits a violent crime or suicide while “compliant” it’s ALWAYS in spite of the high quality care received. If they have gone off these decisions are always attributed to lack of compliance.
Does it make sense? Nope. That’s NAMI. 😛
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$90,000,000 is just the tip of the iceberg. The MIS is geared to keep people messed up so they never function as adult human beings. Those places are run on tax dollars.
And thanks to segregating psychiatric labels plus all the “safe and effective” damage they endure, the human beings used as lab rats are forced to live on tax payer expense. With government run housing or institutions due to the housing shortage. And since they’re forced out of the workplace there are fewer tax dollars going in as well.
For all the goods and services paid by taxes my guess is the psychiatric bill could easily top $1,000,000,000 in one year. Abolishing psychiatry would be a boon to the economy.
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You can stand up for yourself without being violent. But I agree psychiatry enables abusers. Sometimes through cluelessness.
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There are a few counselors I wouldn’t mind seeing. But since they’re not affiliated with the MIS (Mental Illness System) Medicaid wouldn’t cover them.
Unless you get a decent one you’re better off without. I’ll see a clergy member instead. Or an older friend. No fee to talk to them!
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“You are completely screwed!” says the Quack.
He should know. He’s the one who screwed you.
An American idiom, Niels. “Screw” can mean mess someone up or cheat them.
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He knows that ECT can be forced, if he’s a shrink. So that makes him a liar.
The Science of Lies.
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Get churches and other nonprofits to shut their doors to NAMI.
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The psychiatric system is funded largely by tax dollars since few of their “consumers” are capable of gainful employment. Hence most of us have no real say in our treatment. You get what you pay for.
Persuading the public footing the shrinks’ actual bill of the damage psychiatry has created would be a worthwhile endeavor.
More so then begging the shrinks to please be nice to us. (Bwahahaha!) Shrinks are paid to drug, shock, and convince the public they’re being saved from “mentally ill” monsters. Not likely to stop voluntarily.
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Glasser referred to “psychosis” and extreme states like depression and EDs as “creative symptoming.” Often the person is creative and has unusual thoughts as a coping mechanism or escape device according to him.
That’s why art can help. You don’t need a “therapist” either.
I’m doing creative writing and graphic art. A lot of my annoying tics have gone away.
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You got that right Jeffrey!
Never wanted to be a lab rat for a career. Not my choice.
The APA claims their pills turn bad people good and irresponsible people productive. Yet their magic wonder drugs work by shrinking the frontal cortex (impulse control) and amygdala (altruistic behaviors.) How’s that supposed to work?
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Megan sounds perfectly credible to us.
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I agree with Oldhead.
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Psychiatry is the only branch of accepted medicine to regularly demonize its “patients.”
You won’t find cardiologists going on 60 Minutes to terrify the public with tales of all those monsters with heart disease who should be locked up and subjected to cruel, pointless experiments to protect the public.
I know pro psychiatry friends who got angry at Murphy for maligning them. Basically called them murderers.
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Nope. The Mental Illness Guy is actually Snidely Whiplash disguised as Dudley Do-Right.
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I guess it’s becoming harder to conceal the damage done by these drugs.
Too little too late.
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Psychiatry is an ideal religion for do-gooder materialists.
I have an idea for a book called The Gospel According to Psychiatry targeted to a religious audience. A lot of church goers don’t realize that psychiatry is based on the assumption of bio-determinism and that souls do not exist.
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So do you believe in the chemical imbalance myth RR? (The APA does not.) I ask this because you left this as part of the quote from me you take issue wiih.
If they don’t know WHAT the pathology is how can they correct it–assuming the a priori assumption is true? They are likely exacerbating the original complaint and/or adding new ones.
Lyme disease, anemia, Hashimoto’s are indeed physical problems that cause messed up thinking. None are treated by shrinks.
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Nothing like some nice grape kool-aid to wash down the psychiatric cocktail. Not cyanide exactly. (Much slower acting.)
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I THINK the writer was being satirical. But it was hard to tell.
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Psychiatrists sneer at the idea that “mental illness is a social construct.”
It might more accurately be called an etiological one.
If it is indeed a brain disease–as they preach–why not call it a physical illness? (Like brain cancer or epilepsy.) Or simply an illness?
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Ironically I was drinking their kool-aid at the time.
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“Yer a Psychiatrist Harry: learning psychiatric concepts through the fictional worlds of Harry Potter and Game of Thrones.”
Real science folks!~Fuller Torrey
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Including self hatred because you believe you’re a “violent, dangerous defective SMI.” (All terms used by psychiatrists to describe their charges.)
At least that’s over. Thank God for agosognosia!
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Those of us who’ve suffered are dismissed all the time. MIA is one of the few places we can share our experiences.
Have you ever read Robert Whittaker? Anatomy of an Epidemic is an eye opener. Also the works of William Glasser, Terry Lynch, Joanna Moncrieff, and Peter Breggin. All the latter are certified psychiatrists.
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I remember reading Touched by Fire and thinking how odd it was that most famous “bipolars” who accomplished stuff were “untreated.”
I mentioned this in group. The leader got nasty but never explained why. 🙂
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Sounds like Catani and Mazzarello are more concerned about making money than learning, discovering,making art, or doing science. At least Leonardo is dead so they can’t hurt him.
Why not “diagnose” a dead man? Psychiatrists have no physical markers for locating any of the diseases they invent. My guess is the APA frowns on “armchair diagnosing” since that will let the cat out of the bag about what frauds they are.
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ECT is effective in adults because it causes massive brain damage rendering them childish and easy to control. It’s also wonderful because it’s a sort of surgery (destructive) showing that psychiatrists are really honest-to-gosh medical doctors after all.
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I haven’t been “heard, respected, or helped” by many working for “mental health” since I was labeled. Those working for centers adopt a certain attitude toward the “SMIs” in their care.
This attitude is one of condescension to inferiors. I imagine ethnic minorities get a double or triple dose of this smug, patronizing treatment.
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I have forgiven the men who lied to me and damaged my life. But I will not claim they did me a favor. Nor stop fighting the institution of abuse which treats law abiding citizens the same as sadistic serial killers and punishes people for grief, Lyme Disease, or entering the Foster system.
Quit punishing those who suffer Psychiatry! Quit mutilating grieving widows, battered wives and the elderly by frying their brains. Quit forcibly drugging abuse victims, people with head trauma or digestive problems, and children who squirm in class.
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Jennifer maybe you should relocate. You aren’t dependent on your parents. I’m not sure why they were concerned. Because you were “too” exuberant I guess.
If you were paying your bills and all the stuff adults are supposed to do they were misguided to even worry. Let alone have you locked up.
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The intense anger I experienced at those who lied to and about me frightened me at first. But it cured my depression.
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My parents–and others–were frustrated at the profound malaise I showed. Laziness they called it. But they wondered why the “meds” didn’t fix it.
Most “NAMI mommies” are themselves hapless victims drawn in and deceived by those frauds called psychiatrists.
They wonder why their adult kids become less able to care for themselves the more “treatment” they receive. Often they wind up burying the offspring they truly wanted to help lead an independent, quality life. 🙁
I can’t post links here, but on BeyondMeds.com archives Monica addresses how NAMI deceives everybody. Including family members who believe they’re helping.
They’re merely misguided. It’s the well-informed liars, with no compassion or moral compass, who deserve the blame.
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Mom admitted it was smart to conceal it from her til after the fact. She acknowledged she would have worried too much.
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Was that a grateful consumer praising the EC they had undergone? Wow.
I believe others have praised it after surviving it. Stockholm Syndrome perhaps. Or the Sunken Cost Fallacy.
The APA doesn’t list Stockholm Syndrome or Munchausen’s by Proxy for good reason.
To shrinks, Stockholm Syndrome is just “good insight.” Munchausen’s by Proxy makes you a “concerned caregiver.”
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I’m very glad you don’t agree with killing sprees.
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No, I don’t believe in mental illness. I was talking about friendship. Friendship is essential.
If you can’t tell friendship from psycho-therapy you must have it rough. I love my friends and family.
I haven’t had “therapy” in years.
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Michael Cornwall, is the FDA getting some kind of sweetheart deal from this? I smell cronyism.
The Food and Drug Administration has proven worse than useless lately.
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NeuroStigma is my pet name for that mafia.
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The reason I haven’t commented more is I haven’t experienced shocks.
But they ARE brutal. Random acts of brain damage. Like all the “help” shrinks offer.
They differ from neurologists in that their sole purpose is to destroy healthy brain tissue to make people dumb and helpless. It’s not about saving lives or improving the quality but turning us all into domestic animals.
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This is electrical shock we’re discussing–not drugs or counseling.
And it is not the same as corporal punishment. If EC were viewed as punishment it might be banned for being cruel and unusual. But since it’s viewed as medical treatment you have can’t make the same legal arguments against it.
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How about pride that you survived being lied to and about? Being tricked or forced to abuse mind altering drugs under the pretext they would “correct your brain chemistry”? Possibly brain shocks, imprisonment, and poverty?
That you figured out you were being conned and managed to go off a bunch of drugs as addictive as heroine with no help at all except an online community.
Psychiatric survivor pride!
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I can’t remember the name of the shrink who put me on 10 mg of Haldol. Caused some terrifying seizures with eyes rolling back and tardive psychosis. (Yes, that’s a thing.)
The “doctor” told my parents Haldol never, ever caused that kind of thing. Either I was faking it or it was my “schizo effective disorder” to blame. Looking back some of the orderlies–who treated me kindly because I gave them no problems and nicely pulled my pants down for the injection–reassured me the Parkinsonism, eye rolling, mini seizures were common and happened all the time. Hmm..either the shrink was pulling a fast one or knew less than the CNAs and orderlies. Take your pick. 😛
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I bet at least 90% of all psychiatrized folk would show marked improvement if taken off all their drugs. Most of us weren’t that out of it till the quacks got hold of us.
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What is “mental illness”?
A question the APA has never even asked itself is “What is sanity?”
To my knowledge they have never written a profile of the ‘Mentally Healthy Ideal” they cherish. It would probably stir up controversy if they did. Each would want the MHI prototype to be an image of himself. 🙂
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As someone labeled Bipolar 2 I believe all my “manic symptoms” were iatrogenically created by shrinks. I started out depressed and anxious. They helped by causing full blown psychotic mania with drugs like Anafranil.
They said i would need a bunch of drugs forever. That my reaction to Anafranil proved I was “defective” and I deserved a life of agony/premature death as punishment.
Got off their neuro-poisons. No more mood swings. My family is amazed. We realize now that mainstream shrinks are full of it. 😛
Full of themselves. Which is kind of the same thing. 😀
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Great point Frank.
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Thanks Annette.
Like you I see myself as spiritually well. Coming off my psych drugs was a necessary part of the healing of my soul.
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A therapist/counselor is like a spouse. An abusive one is far worse than none at all.
I quit seeing one when I realized the sessions were pointless. I kept talking about my problems in a loop like a hamster’s wheel. It did not help they were all in the pay of the “Mental Illness” System and basically just parroted stuff like “A disease like any other” and “be sure to take your meds.” In essence remind me I was hopelessly diseased at my innermost core and I should give up all hopes for my future. More depressing than a therapy session with my cat. 😛
Many do benefit. I did at one time–but the good stopped after I was diagnosed SMI. The label made them write me off as hopeless.
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Szazs decried “psycho-therapy.” My guess is he was a play it by ear counselor with methods/philosophy similar to Bruce Levine.
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If cigarettes, cold medicine, and nutrasweet can cause birth defects it’s a safe bet that psych drugs do.
My own theory on the “autism” epidemic is too much screen time too early in life. And “diagnosing” is extremely profitable. I believe they’re drugging the “aspies” now from commercials/news clips I have seen. (Is there a difference?)
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Also the article published here about how the latest scientific research shows no difference between the “schizophrenic” brain or the “autistic” compared to the normal.
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I agree with you–assuming ED enjoyed her reclusive lifestyle. From what I have read she willingly chose it. Her sister was also considered a failure (unmarried back then) and enjoyed an active social life.
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And Szazs practiced counseling “on consenting adults” as he described it.
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So sorry Alan!
Would it be possible to take your son out of Canada permanently? I escaped the System by relocating. Not hard to do in the States.
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Psychiatry creates insanity through the drugs it tricks or forces people to take.
When I saw Dr. M at 20 I was depressed and anxious. Thanks to the Anafranil he prescribed I went 3 weeks without sleep and had a terrifying break from reality. The experience was so scary I did anything shrinks told me after that to prevent the very breakdown THEY had caused.
Gaslighting is what psychiatrists do.
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He shouldn’t have gone on a murderous rampage.
Interesting they call him a “madman.” He was mad–or angry at the loneliness and rejection he kept experiencing.
Eliot Rogers could have used some help. Not from being locked up and tortured but simply someone willing to reach out to him with compassion. One true friend might have made the difference. 🙁
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Yep. Captain Obvious to the rescue! 😀
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Yes it is very pro pharma-psychiatry.
Articles like this completely ignore those of us who experience terror AND dry mouth etc thanks to taking the drugs. You complain to the quack. “How come I’m loonier than ever?’ He tells you the “meds” never ever do that and yells at you for “non compliance” though you take the drugs that mess up your thoughts and cause seizures. All you did was “pill shame” by honestly telling how they effect you.
Psychiatry is gas lighting. Pure and simple. They made me question my sanity until I totally lost it.
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Psychiatry exists to “other” individuals by labeling them “schizophrenics” so their communities will segregate them and help psychiatrists sell mind altering drugs by force.
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I have two friends killed by standard psychiatric “treatments.” If either had known about the survivors’ movement she might not have died. 🙁
Psychiatry has messed up my digestive system. I’m glad I escaped when I did. It was killing me too.
Btw, someone should ask shrinks who mock the idea that “mental illness is just a social construct” why drapetomania never made it into the DSM. Benjamin Rush firmly believed in it.
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Mad is a synonym for angry.
Nobody is angry all the time. So I consider myself Mad No More. Despite psychiatry’s best efforts to keep me in the role of madwoman for life.
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I firmly believe my thinking was messed up. (It still is a little.)
By putting me on mind altering drugs and telling me I could never change, the “mental health” system was the opposite of helpful.
I’m so thankful I have a soul again. I am a human being after all!
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My “meds” caused mood swings. Much more stable emotionally off them.
Glad I have more control over my emotions since the temptation to let bitterness and gloom take over is powerful right now. Part of grief at my wasted life I guess.
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Love without deeds is worthless.
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And the doctors, lawyers, professors, students, statesmen, journalists, clergy and bankers who don’t toe the line will pay for it.
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It doesn’t help that bribery of politicians is perfectly legal.
End cronyism by making it an impeachable offense for any politician to accept money from lobbyists. Better yet, ban lobbying groups.
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Sounds a little like my great aunt.
Part of it wasn’t just brain damage from the shocks but the humiliation and trauma of her ordeal in the institution. At least she had grandpa and grandma to save her from being locked up or dying on the streets.
Sweet lady. But very sad and crushed.
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Thanks Dr. Moncrieff.
It’s safe to say most shrinks are not Platonic philosophers. Yet mainstream psychiatry has subscribed to a dichotomous notion of the flawed versus the ideal real.
The unaltered sufferer is the “flaw.” The mad scientist sees himself as a godlike creator of the ideal as he alternately fries, cuts up, or chemically damages the brain of his hapless test subject.
It’s indeed odd how they think taking away people’s ability to work, have relationships, or live independently is an improvement. But acknowledging the damage would force them to accept responsibility. What’s a god to do? Blame the victim of course.
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It’s like the ending to Alonzo’s Oil. The source of injury was discovered by the detective work of a non medical amateur (me.) And removed.
But the damage is real. And not all reversible.
I’m grieving that I’ll never have a family. And all a tragic hoax!
At least I can appreciate things like music, beautiful scenery, and human interactions again. Not dead inside.
Sadly I long for companionship more than ever. But am a childless old spinster with no friends in a small rural community. Struggling financially in isolation, I weep almost every evening. Things look pretty bleak.
A lot of folks have it worse.
But this thought makes me sadder still.
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My condolences Ann. “Antidepressants” ruined my own life.
Anafranil triggered psychotic mania in me back in 1993. Couldn’t sleep for three weeks. Was called “bipolar” for having the audacity to get sick on a psychotropic drug prescribed by a doctor who didn’t care my life was ruined.
25 years on a “cocktail” including the same class of drug that caused the problems.
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“Please don’t imply that I have ever equated psychiatry with chattel slavery….”
I wasn’t. Actually I was reaffirming what you had already posted.
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I call them Mental Illness Centers since they exist to create mental illnesses and drive the consumed insane.
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Yes.
The truth is the “medicines” given/forced on people correct nothing. There is no pathology to correct. The chemical imbalance is a filthy lie. And the only way to think straight is to flee the SMI Lobotomizing Machine.
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“How many $ have you won for your clients?”
Steve McCrea is not a lawyer.
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Cool Don.
Glad you’re using social media to make a difference.
I may join your Facebook group.
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You might wonder why they don’t give us an extra $300 a month to rent an apartment. It would save the bureaucracy money. But it’s really all about segregating the “crazies” from the “normals” just like doing all they can to prevent us from becoming gainfully employed. The Vocational Rehab is a crock of bull. Their real job is to keep you from getting “uppity.” They told me I was “delusional” for wanting to work for the local newspaper even though I had a BA in English and writing experience.
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Or who have been too damaged to earn a livelihood by the liars pretending to help us.
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“It’s going to the providers.” You got that right, Corinna. 😉
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Demanding financial compensation for crippling and defaming is not incompatible with capitalism OH. Extreme medical malpractice and libelous slander by calling law abiding citizens a menace to society.
As far as chattel slavery goes, it was not psychiatry. Szazs himself took care to point out they were different.
Psychiatry can also be compared to a cult, a snake oil selling medicine man, a drug dealer on the streets, Dr. Fata who pretended healthy folks had cancer before crippling them with chemo, an abusive partner, and the Holocaust.
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Psychiatry itself is an alternative–to community support, holding criminals responsible for their behaviors, eating right, and legitimate medical care for Lyme’s Disease and countless other ailments doctors ignore in order to sell SSRIs.
A big reason communities push psychiatry is it helps them write off the suffering and annoying folks. Then they can pat themselves on the back for ignoring the outcast since “I’m not a professional. Only licensed professionals should talk to bipolar freaks like Mary.”
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“….it’s (anger) probably best tied to stories of actual physical or emotional abuse.”
Okay. So is anger justified after being lied to and about? Being called hopelessly insane and drugged out of my gourd and having my system wrecked so I can’t leave the house some days thanks to 25 years on a cocktail?
Would you say Dr. Farid Fata’s victims were justified in their anger?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farid_Fata
Google the name and read the horror stories of those he crippled and killed for dollars. That is the psychiatric racket. Only it’s legal when shrinks do it. 🙁
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Well, in Robert’s defense, part of MIA’s readership wants a new form of psychiatry, believing it can be rehabilitated. We disagree, but we are “radicals” even here.
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Cronyism.
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A lot of ex slaves were terrorized or murdered by the “night riders.” Or continued working on the same plantations “voluntarily” since they had nowhere to go.
You could call share cropping a kind of halfway house.
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This is as stupid as letting car manufacturers conduct all the safety tests on the cars they put out to market and not having anyone else hold them accountable. Conflict of interest should be obvious.
Time for Big Pharma to recuse themselves from judging products safe. But, since they won’t, they must be forced to.
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Never took lithium. Sounds nasty. I’m posting this article to Facebook and tagging the friend whose cousin swears he can’t live without lithium. At least W is benefiting from the placebo effect. 🙁
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Actually the myth of mental illness is tough to define.
For example the myth of Santa Claus is a magical man in red with a white beard and big belly flying to different homes on Christmas Eve with gifts for kids.
The myth of mental illness is more nebulous. Is it cognitive impairment? Or moral impairment? Or chronic unhappiness/distress? “It” is supposed to be a chemical imbalance in your brain.
Touched by Fire gives the idea that the “mentally ill” are geniuses. So not cognitive impairment.
Chronic unhappiness or distress? Why is that supposed to be a disease?
The public likes the idea that bizarre or vicious crimes are all “symptoms” of the mythical disease. But then Dr. Torrey says not to confuse bad behaviors with illnesses. So looks like it’s not moral impairment either.
And the chemical imbalance does not exist either. Dr. Pies is livid anyone would think he was ignorant enough to believe the lies he refuses to correct.
So mental illness
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How would demons fit in with a Pollyanna worldview?
I sought out a deliverance minister myself once. (Protestant exorcist.) My choice. Those who reject the supernatural and the Christian worldview would say it was all hypnosis or I was susceptible to the power of suggestion. That’s okay. I would not force it on anyone. It doesn’t work if you’re unwilling.
He treated me more respectfully than any shrink I have ever known. He did it all for free too.
It helped end my suicidal desires and depression eventually. I learned techniques from him that helped me finally banish the Evil Voices for good. Coming off the drugs helped me too.
If you don’t like or believe in that, that’s okay. I WOULD oppose forcing this on anyone the way shrinks do. Only consenting adults.
The government does not finance exorcists the way it does shrinks either.
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Psychiatry used to be the Cinderella of medicines, they say.
Now it has morphed into the Wicked Stepmother.
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The psychiatrists portray themselves as serving two functions.
A. Healers of diseased people. The “mildly mentally ill” or the “severe cases” if they have good insight and take 10 drugs at a time without question.
B. Saviors of the “normal” folk from the dangerous “SMI” ogres running around. If they are given full control of society and allowed to reign as absolute monarchs they will rid the world of crime.
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Yes indeed.
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“Bipolar” is more lucrative than “schizophrenia.” For Dr. Quackenbush and his twin brother Mr. Quackenbush the CEO of Phake–the major pharmaceutical company.
“Schizophrenia” usually only requires one drug. Though they tend to add on more. (It’s shrinks we’re talking about!) “Bipolar” requires at least 3 drugs. An SSRI, a neuroleptic, and a sedative. Though they may do 5 or 6 or more.
If you could force or con someone into buying 3 drugs or 1 which would you choose? (Assuming you didn’t have a conscience.)
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Not anti-allopathy. BUT…when we consider how every medicine works by overriding basic bodily systems (except for supplements) shouldn’t more doctors practice minimalism in how they prescribe things?
At least with antibiotics you only take them for 10 days. But when it comes to long term drugs, physicians should be especially careful.
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Sam, my family has been more supportive than most. My parents are realizing psychiatry did not help me and are surprised how much better I’m doing now.
Julie’s parents also were in her corner. Have you read her most recent article published here?
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Thanks Steve.
A lot of homeless people wind up that way BECAUSE of psychiatry. They can’t find employment due to work gaps from “treatments” and the drugs causing real disability. And their friends/family want nothing to do with them thanks to the label or are so emotionally abusive they prefer the streets.
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Ye Olde Scapegoat!
It enhances the self esteem of the “undiagnosed” by tearing a minority down. Similar to how racism “works” for non minorities.
Ever read “The Lottery” by Shirley Jackson? *Spoiler.* Readers wondered why the people of the nameless community want to kill a random person. Sacrifice to some corn god? Literal witch hunt? My guess is the town needs someone to pick on every year. And–until she “wins” the draw–the woman stoned thought it was okay too.
Psychiatry is our real Lottery. It defines our nation more than Power Ball.
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Yes, wandering down aisles and talking to yourself or other “odd” behaviors are perfectly legal. Psychiatrists like Torrey and “concerned” PR guys like Jaffe are responsible for the irrational fear of harmless eccentrics.
Ideally a friend or family member would have talked to your brother. Likely he would have found them less intimidating than a police officer.
EVEN if he had reacted aggressively they would have realized he was beside himself and not pressed charges.
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And the “treatments” cause grotesque tics, double our body weight, and give us faces like masks. Also helping to set us apart.
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I am no longer suicidal. (Long story.) But if I knew a woman close by who was I would ask her to stay with me and offer her moral support till the desire passed.
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I’m NOT embracing stereotypes. But I have known mothers beside themselves because their “kids” of 17 or 18 lose touch with reality and talk to people who aren’t there.
You would maybe tell her to wait it out till the kid snaps out of it. But if his/her bizarre behaviors keep everyone up all night and those around her urge her to get “help” saying he will never get better otherwise, what do you think the stressed out, sleep deprived woman will choose?
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They should have seen that the ex-slaves were given more than the clothes on their backs after being set free. “5 Acres and a Mule” would have been great if it had materialized.
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Hmmmm.
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Thanks. But the original quote comes from Simon. 🙂
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Well said.
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Let me play devil’s advocate OH.
Would the anti-psychiatry folks like those who are severely out of it (“mentally ill”) wandering around homeless muttering to themselves? Unable to meet their basic needs? Even–in rare instances–pushing people in the paths of oncoming subways? (There was talk of this happening in NYC.)
Would they like folks so unhappy they can’t–or believe they can’t–get out of bed not be able to talk to anyone or get over their overwhelming sadness?
Anti-psychiatry people need to be able to answer questions like this. Rest assured people will ask them.
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“Lumping an individual person…into a clustered group of diverse behavioral symptoms is badly motivated and asking for–perhaps even INTENDING–bad outcomes.”
It probably is intentional. Helpless and dependent lifelong consumers is a great business model.
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An insult to all PEOPLE labeled MI.
Not sure I understand what you’re saying either.
Does someone who experienced a bad reaction to anafranil deserve to be lumped in with child molesters and serial killers? Once women in my church found out about my “diagnosis” they tried to make me quit teaching Sunday school. Since the “severely mentally ill” hurt children according to shrinks.
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Well said.
Ban coercive psychiatry. Both involuntary “treatments” and lying to the public.
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Saying “mental illness” is a myth IS dangerous. To psychiatrists.
No absolute monarch likes being deposed. Plus–once the truth comes out–a lot of people will be very angry at the liars who stole away health, earning potential, and killed people. (Not counting suicide. Psychiatric drugs KILL.)
Remember how angry people were at Dr. Farid Fata?
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Seeking help from psychiatry is the old tale of selling your soul to the devil.
If you look at recent photos of “Doc” Torrey he looks a lot like my idea of Mephistopheles.
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The solution to abusive counselors is simple. Allow the person being counseled to fire them at any time without having to give a reason.
IN THEORY we could do this at the Mental Illness Centers I attended. But in actuality this was discouraged or even punished in the underhanded ways centers have.
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I hear voices–but it’s by choice. I write fiction and work out bits of dialogue between writing sessions.
That man might have benefited from the Hearing Voices Movement. Psychiatry obviously wasn’t helping him if he’d been in “treatment” since he was a child.
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Child molesting is a crime. There’s the legal system for folks who do this stuff.
And by calling those monsters “mentally ill” shrinks insult all the other people they “treat.”
I prefer to call psychiatric labels defamation of character.Once a law abiding citizen receives one he or she is treated worse than a convicted felon. In many ways.
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I disagree with this article that labeling ANYONE hopelessly insane and chemical lobotomies will help them.
Btw, I highly recommend Peter Breggins’s Youtube videos on “The Violence Initiative.” A very underhanded attempt to lower birth rates among POC (eugenics) by aggressively “treating” young African American men. Our good friend the APA is behind this creepiness. And almost no one is holding them accountable.
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Darkness of skin, the presence of boobs, poor fashion sense, liking cats when the shrink’s a dog person..All signs of serious mental illness. 😛
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I’m what. Lol.
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Oldhead has been sick. So is it all because he has “subsumed reactionary political views and is unable to come to a strong anti-psychiatry anti-psychotherapy anti-recovery movement position”?
I’m opposed to psychiatry because it hurts people.
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I have had two friends die directly from psychiatric drugs. As prescribed.
One had seizures from a neuroleptic, hit her head during a grand mal, and died at 29.
The other had been on a cocktail for years. Suddenly her decline accelerated. She went to a nursing home. Took to bed and all her organs began to shut down. Died at 49.
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Actually, according to doctrine, you can’t go to Hell unless you are dead.
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Good points Dragon Slayer.
Right now there can be no legal justice since shrinks are breaking no laws when they cripple, defame, and kill. Changing the laws by discrediting psychiatry as a legitimate medical branch is essential.
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They should have put more effort into skewing or spinning the results. 😀
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But people who use cocaine buy it on the street. They aren’t deceived into thinking they need it like a diabetic needs insulin.
Even if you’re okay, there’s a risk of an SSRI triggering an episode of “psychotic mania.” That can get you labeled “Bipolar” and put you at the bottom of the totem pole so you can never climb up again. 🙁
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A doctor who falsely diagnosed patients with cancer to sell them numerous rounds of chemo would disable people. This does NOT prove they had cancer to begin with.
Nor does destroying people’s brains and other organs with drugs, shocks, lobotomies, etc. prove they had a disease to begin with.
I guess “doctor” Pies is not used to debating. Petty tyrants who rule with an iron fist have a hard time talking to their serfs as equals and are unaccustomed to making a rational defense of their tyranny.
It must stink to have to give an account to others when you’re used to playing god. 😛
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Professional Outrage of a Well Informed Liar.
Shrinks make lousy philosophers. Name calling, strawman arguments, and accusing the opposition of wanting to kill you does not a sound argument make. Pies sounds–dare I say it?–downright paranoid. Guilt is making him go Lady MacBeth it seems.
Where are these death threats or rants? Maybe on the dark net. But certainly not here, nor MadBlogger or AuntiePsychiatry.
The wicked flee when no man pursueth….
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Apparently they didn’t destroy enough of our brain cells.
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Glad to hear that Shaun.
It stinks not being believed. Oddly enough I took to telling crazy stories after a few years of “treatment.” I guess I decided no one believed me anyhow so I told a lot of over the top stories. More dramatic at least.
The weird thing is I had always been scrupulously honest before. I couldn’t tell truth from falsehood at one point. 🙁
Not being believed by anyone drove me crazy.
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For the record the Soviet Union did not abolish psychiatry.
Ever heard of “sluggish schizophrenia”?
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I feel sorry for survivors who are still duped too.
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Sorry Sam. I guess I misunderstood you.
What I presented was not a Strawman argument though. Many argue in favor of drugs, shocks, etc. on the grounds that the brain must be at fault. You can find such an argument made by Jaffe in his review of Anatomy of an Epidemic.
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Sam, are you defending random acts of brain damage?
Brittle Bone Syndrome causes skeletal problems. That does NOT justify taking a crowbar to the limbs of the afflicted.
Damaging the brain further will NOT reverse neural atrophy from trauma!
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Sam, I’d say only a few here do. I don’t and many others don’t.
Reducing it all to class warfare is a gross oversimplification of views expressed, even for most commenters who espouse socialism. Not all of us are socialists either.
(Of course the bizarre comments stand out of the crowd.)
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I had problems before I got psychiatrized.
I’m against class warfare and covetousness.
Emotional suffering is real enough. But since there is no KNOWN link to brain problems how can psychiatrists fix it? How can random acts of brain damage help anyone?
If you read Anatomy of an Epidemic it’s not some massive conspiracy. Or it didn’t start out that way. Drug companies found they could make big buck$ selling fake remedies for coping problems and trauma.
Psychiatrists were desperate for enhanced status and prestige. They were mostly ignorant of how their prescriptions worked. At first.
Now there are a lot of cover ups. Big Pharma makes more money than any other industry in America. And a hefty chunk comes from drugs no one needs.
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I meant we don’t hear about the “treatment” they went through.
We always hear about the shooter’s “mental illness” even if a shrink has to “diagnose” him posthumously.
These experts always go on TV to demonize those they say they’re “helping.” By attributing murders to “mental illness” they’re implying all those they label are would-be murderers. Character assassination is an act of compassion for shrinks.
This idiocy leads to a lot of circular reasoning.
So, Dr. Quackenbush, why did the mother murder her two preschoolers?
Simple. She had Bipolar.
How do you now she had Bipolar, Doctor?
Because only a person with Bipolar would murder two small children.
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“Politicians love it when their constituents are quarreling among themselves.”
Good point Mental!
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It certainly isn’t.
I’m in a lot of physical discomfort now. My digestive system is screwed up. Hard to be charitable or just (online or off) at times.
But I’m better off than a lot of others commenting here. We survivors need to quit victim blaming whether we agree or not.
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Steve, I think there’s a time and place for the emotion of guilt like other negative feelings. Like anger it can be channeled to make us more sympathetic and conscientious individuals.
Mine was exaggerated as a young adult–leading to a few melt downs. I sought psychiatry out to cure my violent and sexual thoughts. Anger and lust. It replaced guilt with shame. You don’t DO bad things; you’re just a hopelessly bad person who deserves to be flung on the garbage heap. Existence was now a sin.
Selective bio-calvinism. Only a few are totally depraved due to bad genes/broken brains. There’s no redemption for them, just shunning and torture from the rest of us genetically superior saints. 😛
Bovine excrement!
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When you stop recovering you die. That’s how it works.
What if psychiatry makes someone sick and they are bedfast or homebound so taking care of basic needs is a fight?
I’m recovering from psych damage like many here are. Sorry us getting over ECT and drugging makes you angry, PacificDawn.
Denying “mental illness” is one thing. I don’t believe in it either. But you claim none of us are hurting or in pain. I find this callous dismissal of yours annoying–even infuriating.
Glad you’re not hurting. But many here are.
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Watched the video. That was a very weird statement by Warren. “The moment I had feared since he was born.” ?????
Did he think as he held his newborn, “Oh no. He’s gonna kill himself some day”?
Is he claiming to be psychic? Or maybe his weird idea caused a self-fulfilling prophecy. Or maybe he was just being a drama queen and made an over the top statement that popped into his head during the interview.
Rick Warren is nuts. He’s now embraced quantum mysticism. Which is to quantum physics what psychiatry is to neurology.
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And if someone goes on a murder spree while under psychiatric “treatments” we never hear about it. Since it’s always “in spite of” and shrinks can do no wrong. And the media has too many drug ads to “pill shame.”
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Thanks for this article Julie.
My grandpa urged me to go off at least some of my “meds.” My parents and I shook our heads. Didn’t he know that “science had proven crazy behaviors are chemical imbalances in the brain”?
Grandpa knew what he was talking about. He hadn’t been deceived by the shrinks’ cock and bull story.
You were right, Grandpa!
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Inside story.
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On the other hand if a scientist/doctor gets paid by a pharmaceutical company this presents a conflict of interest dilletantes don’t have. 🙂
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Not being able to sell company products may just mean you know they’re junk (or harmful) and you have a conscience. NOT a character disorder!
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Matt Stevenson was a wonderful human being. His death was a tragedy. The last thing I want is to disrespect his memory, Emily.
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The DSM is a book of fancy-pants insults.
They’re polysyllabic to make shrinks sound like the medical experts they long to be revered as. But they’re really as scientific as the insults of a playground bully who ridicules smaller, weaker children to puff up his own ego. He teaches other kids to call the weak outcast “stupid,” “dummy,” “loser,” “slow poke,” “retard,” “wimp.”
Psychiatry. The profession for overgrown bullies in lab coats.
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Matt might not have killed himself if he had given psychiatry the finger. Thus invalidating the gloomy, hopeless labels that made him hate himself and wish himself out of existence.
I’m not some DSM label. I’m a human being!
Rejecting psychiatry’s lies and drugs cured my desire to kill myself.
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I corresponded with Matt and was grieved at his death. 🙁
That was the equivalent of tap-dancing on a fresh grave during the burial ceremony.
And psychiatrists go around saying their patients have no empathy. Ha!
Dr. Pot diagnoses Kettle.
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I think it is OH.
Psychiatry would have killed my soul decades ago. But souls are immortal and cannot be murdered. Just corrupted when we make ethical compromises.
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There’s more to life than money, Oldhead.
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Bingo and Uno are the staples of “Day Treatment.”
The dumber an activity is the better. 😛
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All about him. Too many groups like that.
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Will have to read the actual article.
What do you find anti-woman about it, Judi?
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Without SSRI’s there would be no “bipolar” epidemic. Therefore shrinks and Big Pharma are determined to push them everywhere.
More “bipolars” means more people you can legally force feed 3-6 drugs instead of just 1. Who cares about the lives ruined and dreams crushed? Cha ching! $$$$$
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OH, the fact so many homeless people have psychiatric labels is confusing the cause and effect, IMO.
It’s hard to find a job when brain damaged from drugs and psycho surgery. Plus not having a job makes you less marketable–and explaining long periods of unemployment as “I was in psychiatric treatment” is not a good idea.
Not saying group homes are good. But my friend has been drugged and treated like a child so many years she can’t care for herself. Szazs realized this was a problem psychiatry itself creates.
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Hi Sandy.
Here’s a quote for you.
“I did then what I knew how to do. Now that I know better, I do better.” Maya Angelou.
You were right to point out how people like people like Teresa Sheehan are treated whether “mental illness” exists or not.
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Yep. If you got to know them, their own lives were pretty messed up. Worse than the “consumers'” often.:)
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Trump is a hothead.
Despite talk of more institutions, in Indiana at least, they are shutting down more state hospitals. My brainwashed friend–a proud “mental patient” was upset when she told me this.
I think this is a good thing–in some respects. But it may lead to homelessness too.
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i wasn’t referring to an economics system. A much broader view of the cosmos. And humanity.
There’s more to the universe than money after all. People were here before currency. 🙂
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Like Julie everyone turned on me after my SMI labeling. Being on 10 mg of Haldol didn’t clarify my thinking either.
Who told everyone I was a dangerous monster? The psychiatrist. His “treatments” got me kicked out of college.
What Cotton Mather was to the Salem witch trials,
McCarthy to the 1960’s,
Robespierre to the Reign of Terror,
That’s what the APA is to our age. Telling the population what enemies to hate and fear.
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Laura overcame severe psychiatric “treatment.”
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The exponentially larger percentage of the population in psychiatry’s grip is what Julie is referring to.
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Yes Steve. “Moral materialism” refers to consumerism and greed. “Philosophical materialism” is basically monism which psychiatrists subscribe to.
Many non psychiatrists do not. I don’t, and was surprised to find this is an a priori position of psychiatrists. Minds do not exist, according to Pies, Jaffe, Torrey and the rest. I had always thought, till recently, they had an actual pathology to work with. Wondered why they never used blood work or spinal taps to check the chemical levels in our brains.
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Hence the smashing of china. 🙂
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Don’t forget “drapetomania.”
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Yes. Peer run would be better. Nothing about us without us.
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No. That would be moral materialism, not philosophical materialism. There’s a difference, as G.K. Chesterton pointed out in Orthodoxy.
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If it’s peer run, that’s a horse of a different color. Never attended one of those.
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I agree Someone Else.
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Well said Sylvain.
It’s troubling too, that Big Pharma is so tightly coupled with the massive bureaucratic government. It owns all our politicians thanks to legal bribes called “campaign contributions” from the lobbyists representing these corrupt businesses.
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I agree DS. Psychiatry is a natural outgrowth of the philosophy of materialism. It emerged about the same time materialism became widely accepted by intellectuals in the late 18th century.
All bad behaviors stem–not from bad choices–but bad biology. Moreover, using the bio deterministic premise, the psychiatrist believes he can predict suicide and crimes before they happen through “symptoms.” These are composed not just of bad behaviors, but harmless quirks, expressions of emotional suffering, and what could be considered strengths in the mainstream population. To a non psychiatrist.
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The whole concept of “Mental Health Day Treatment” is profoundly insulting.
“You’re all alike.” Despite what those godlike shrinks said we were vastly different people thrown together with no common traits except being drugged out of our gourds and segregated from everyone else.
The “classes” were dull and so stupid they would insult anyone who wasn’t too sunk in their own self worth to get upset at being talked to like an 8 year old at age 38. 😛
Btw, that’s my experience. I’m not trying to bash Cody or anyone else in that circumstance. I’m mad at the folks who run those centers/groups. And that’s always been a patronizing “Normal telling us how hopelessly sick and crazy were. In my experience.
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Stephen, on some level I sort of chose the scapegoat role. I have always had poor coping skills and been too sensitive and cried too easily.
I wish I had been made of tougher stuff like my siblings. One thing this society frowns on, it’s sensitivity. Be a steel bowl, cause they smash the china dishes.
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Example of the Art of Dialogue
Kid: Please quit hitting me.
Bully: No! Stand still or I’ll hit you harder dummy.
Kid: Okay.
Note the treatment modality. He diagnosed the smaller kid as suffering from Dummy Disorder. The treatment the bully elected to use was punching him.
Trying to leave would mean he was treatment resistant.
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Bob, thank you for Mad In America. Thank you Laura Delano, if you’re reading.
I have a story similar to Laura’s, but I was in the System for 23 years. I already read Glasser where I discovered psych treatments are no different than street drugs. But without sites like MIA I never could have gone drug free and escaped the System.
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Since going off my SSRI I find I can experience happiness again. Who knew? 🙂
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John, I can’t speak from personal experience. But I imagine court ordered/involuntary would be far worse than my “voluntary” role as a deceived patient. Abusers don’t like it when things don’t go their way. If you are “ungrateful” and “non-compliant” they will take it out on your butt. Which belongs to them.
“Your soul belongs to Jesus. Your a** belongs to me.” Could have been spoken by a shrink. They don’t want your soul since most are materialists and if they believed in souls would assume the SMI don’t have them like Real People. But they do own your butt quite literally and can get 6 toughs to wrestle you to the ground and inject you with maddening neuro-toxins.
I had always been a willing patient till my escape. By “willing” I mean I acted on the deception presented as medical information.
But I knew from the beginning if I were naughty there would be severe punishments. 😛 I mean “treatments.”
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“A bumper-sticker phrase that saves time.” Or just a bald lie to trick folks into taking drugs and forcing others–including small children–to take them.
Sickening! Why should anyone trust a doctor who routinely practices this level of deception on his patients and the public? Would you even buy a used car from this character?
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Do you spontaneously burst into musical numbers? And cause those around you to have hallucinatory experiences in cartoon settings? 😀
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Neurological issues are indeed an effect of the drugs. Though the word “side” is inaccurate.
As Peter Breggin says, “That’s how they work.”
If they aren’t damaging your brain, liver, kidneys, gut, etc. they aren’t working.
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Does anyone have any idea how many Big Pharma ads the New Yorker contains per issue?
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The bio medical model “helps” by cutting you off from friends, family, and mainstream society as a whole. Like a cult.
This helps explain the animosity between Psychiatry and Scientology. 😀
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Good point Gerard!
Assuming there was something wrong with someone’s brain–since they have no idea what the problem is–all bio psychiatry consists of is lots of mind altering drugs and other forms of random brain damage. It’s not “like insulin for diabetes.” They have no idea how they’re screwing with the human neuro chemistry. It’s not like removing cancer from the brain the way a neuro surgeon would.
Know why I’m radical? I’m very angry at being lied to. By NAMI, the psychiatrists, everyone in the Mental Illness System. They also lie about us, and slander the character of their patients. No other medical specialty does that. 🙁
I read that article by Doc Pies in the APA Journal. The cold-blooded fraud and his fellow cons seem to be laughing up their sleeves at the “uninformed” public they pulled one over on. Disgusting!
Escaped this grotesque hoax after 25 years. Living in poverty, crippled from the fake “medicines.” I feel like one of Dr. Farid Fata’s victims. But no one will listen to people like us. So the inhumane barbarism continues!
It’s just destroying normal brain functions. They could achieve similar benefits with baseball bats, icepicks, and street drugs like heroin and meth. Only that would not LOOK like real medicine. It wouldn’t LOOK scientific. PR is all that counts after all. 😛
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They did effect me. The SSRI known as Anafranil kept me awake for 3 weeks in a row. Brought on psychotic mania–for which Dr. M blamed me.
#patientshaming is my rebuttal to #pillshaming. The latter hash tag is just the psych establishment’s attempt to cover its naked rump with a kleenex. Not hard to see through.
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I have had acquaintances tell about police breaking into their homes with guns drawn though they weren’t breaking the law or violent. Why? Suicide calls.
As dumb as it gets. Reminds me of a Gilbert and Sullivan opera where a man is going to be executed for attempted suicide. Dumb, dumber, dumbest….
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Because that way they can dismiss worsening of hallucinations, depression and cognitive decline in those they treat. And bill them for “meds” until they die.
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A major problem in researching recovery narratives is many recovering survivors have gone underground.
They are afraid–understandably–of being yanked back into the system. After recovering not just from the original trauma but the trauma disguised as “treatments” by those they naively trusted.
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TRUTH is what Oldhead and I support. It’s what the Inner Circle of the APA fears.
TRUTH will destroy bio-psychiatry since it is based on a lie.
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MLK’s critics accused him of being a trouble maker due to his “radical extremism.”
So middle-ground and radical are in the eye of the beholder.
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Remember the “Angel of death” Dr. Farid Fata?
I’m not against everything he did. Just lying to patients about having leukemia to sell them unnecessary cancer treatments and make them bald, toothless, and homebound. (If they survived.)
Tut tut. Pretty extreme of me.
Btw, psychiatrists who do not tout the bio-model exist, but they’re an anomaly. I do not know a single one in person. Most write for this site.
Where I live even GPs don’t criticize the bio model. That would be “extreme.” So they watch us get horribly sick from the drugs and die young. Yay for the “middle ground” heroes.
I think I’ll write a book about reasonable folks who went with the flow and never offended (the powerful.) How about Portraits in Moderation? Courage is SO extreme and radical. 😀
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I prefer living in a Red State BECAUSE of the lack of “help.”
“If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life.” Henry David Thoreau.
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To all you Trekkies:
“Darn it Jim! I’m a doctor. Not an economist.”
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I thought psychiatrists like to paint their critics as “science denying, flat earther Scientologists.” Lol.
Have actually read some articles using this over-the-top language. And they accuse “moderate” nice guys of it too. Like you Ron.
Might as well defend ourselves with a strong offense. Unlike many with jobs in the system, those opposing psychiatry have nothing to lose.
They have destroyed our reputations, careers, and everything for the crime of asking for help. Now we make our living as digital nomads in the shadows. Why beg for mercy from those who think they own our souls? Give us FREEDOM instead!
To our psychiatric overlords: Even a cornered rat will fight back. Even if you kill it you may not walk away with your nose intact!
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From this Rachel–across the Pond–hello Ray.
I was not helped by my “medicines.” They exacerbated my depression and caused some psychosis I had not experienced before. Going off them has helped “cure” my mental problems.
No doctor will hear stories like mine. Just those that reaffirm their foregone conclusions. “We don’t know how the treatments work. We just know they do. If a patient says they’re not feeling better we know they’re delusional. Or they ‘resist’ our treatments and need the severe kind.”
There are many others doctors will not hear. And they try to sweep it under the rug, “Oh, I guess you never were mentally ill in the first place.” How many others would get better if they escaped? That frightens psychiatrists. So they never ask.
How to get out of the revolving door? If you ride the darn thing in circles you will never get anywhere. So quit riding it.
My solution.
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They know enough science to realize how bogus the “medicine” they foist on others is. It makes sense to be afraid when Truth itself is the enemy.
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Maybe they assume MLK was “middle ground” because he encouraged pacifism. The two are NOT the same. Tyrants have a long history of regarding pacifists as enemies of the state. And not without reason. 🙂
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No Community Mental Illness Center within over 50 miles of where I live. I think that’s great.
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If a psychiatrist pets puppies or feeds kitties good for him.
But those are him acting as a human being. Not a “doctor.”
Psychiatry as a branch of science is not about healing but destruction of the brain and other body parts. And defamation of character without due process.
I’m not against everything X does. Just everything Dr. X does to his “patients” with drugs, labels, shocks and any other brain damaging surgeries. Quite likely Dr. X acts out of ignorance rather than cruelty. But the damage is real.
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KS, if you’re not feeling well today, my condolences.
May you get well soon.
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I have suffered myself and continue to do so. Your words come across as harsh and unkind.
Whose suffering have I dismissed? I have described my own experiences. If you and others can’t find a “silver lining” I don’t wish to shame you.
I do wish to end the injustice of psychiatry, but that will not undo the damage causing my body to ache head to toe on days like to day when I’m home bound. It won’t help me find a decent place to rent.
Please think of that when you accuse me of “meanness” and get hostile to others who try to make sense of or transcend their pain.
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Hi May May.
Glad you are feeling better. And you found a psychiatrist willing to work with you and listen to you when the prescriptions aren’t helping. 🙂
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Well it’s better than suffering and not learning anything, isn’t it? Of course suffering stinks, but it’s part of being alive.
Viewing my suffering as an end to something positive at the end of the story helped end my depression during withdrawals.
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Look at it this way, Ron.
I have nothing against psychiatrists as men or women. It’s the role they play that terrifies me.
I’m angry that I was lied to and about for 25 years. I now suffer from myalgic encephalomyelitis thanks to this deceptive quackery.
I love myself unconditionally, but hate the bad stuff I do because of this healthy self love. I guess I can say the same about psychiatrists.
But however kindly they are or benign their intentions the science is flawed. And people need to know.
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Trying to treat depression by altering the brain chemistry…isn’t that what alcoholics already do? The big difference between an alcoholic and a “meds compliant consumer” is one regularly visits the bartender. The other sees a guy who claims the soul is an organ and the drugs he pushes will save it.
If a bartender were found to be kidnapping former customers and forcing them to drink copious amounts of Scotch or whiskey he would get in big trouble. And he can’t bill Medicaid for the booze.
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I bet you listen to those you try to help too.
If one said, “Hey, since trying this herb you recommended I can’t sleep and feel nervous all the time,” you wouldn’t double the dosage. (Then forcibly inject it when he/she demurs.)
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White supremecists do a lot of what Freud called projecting.
I think projecting may be behind some of the over-the-top articles posted by elite shrinks on the APA Journal about the “vast underground anti-psychiatry conspiracy.” If they weren’t shrinks–and therefore the epitome of cool reason and sanity–you might call this paranoia. 😀
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As RW points out in Anatomy of an Epidemic we already have brain doctors–neurologists. We already have folks who help with philosophy called psychologists.
Psychiatrists attempt to treat “disordered” souls with mind altering drugs. Even as far back as Shakespeare and Hawthorne people realized this was something doctors could not do.
Part of how I convinced my religious parents it was okay to go off the drugs a psychiatrist prescribed was reading Dr. Pies’ piece about how dumb people were to think psychiatrists actually believe in chemical imbalances. He also harps about the philosophy of materialism and the a priori assumption of monalism. (Must be the brain because minds/souls don’t exist.)
My dad is a retired clergyman and theologian. When he read the article he actually snorted.
Mom has opted out of going on more drugs for her depression. I’d like to think this canary has been of some use to the coal miners. 🙂
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Is there a “medication” for cowardice? Cowardice is to fear what depression is to sadness.
But cowardice benefits psychiatry since they can use it to force “insight” admissions and threaten the “non compliant.” So I doubt we’ll see any anti cowardice pills soon.
Cowardice also motivates reporters to stick to “middle ground” position and not offend the all powerful Experts though they know innocent lives are being destroyed.
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Sadly many continue to suffer in the meantime Dragon Slayer.
A support system for going off these neuro toxins is nice. But good luck finding one in most areas.
My only support system was the virtual community: Surviving Antidepressants. The folks there know more about SSRI withdrawal than most doctors. Because they actually help people go off. Hard to be good at something you refuse to even permit.
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John your suffering is obvious. I wish there was something we here could do to help you.
We need an underground system to help people escape psychiatric torture!
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I agree PacificDawn.
Get rid of the licensing of psychotherapists. But above all quit enabling child abuse by means of “mental health!”
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Life coaching is NOT therapy.
Life coaches can make over $200 an hour. They don’t work for Mental Illness Centers and generally look down their noses at everyone in that system. No way folks like us could afford them.
They have a rule not to work with the “mentally ill” either and will usually refuse services to anyone with a label–I hear.
Of course there are a wide range of coaches. Career coaches can be helpful if you want to think over employment options. Finance coaches can help figure a way to get out of debt. One coach I actually hired was a “blogging coach” just starting out. It was nothing like psycho therapy.
If you don’t like a coach you can say, “Forget you!” and fire him/her. Not so easy with “therapists” at community centers. I fired my last one and everyone responded with gas lighting. “You must have imagined she said that since she’s ‘normal’ and you’re nuts.” A lot of pressure and nags.
But I put off getting a new one till I carried out my escape plan. Then I ran.
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So you believe Rick Warren pulled the trigger to stage Matt’s murder? Why???
Btw, his cognitive dissonance is astounding. “My son despaired of life on these ‘safe and effective meds.’ Since they did NOT help him I want to force them on everyone since I’m sure they’ll save their lives.”
But idiocy and first degree murder are very different. Rick Warren is now dabbling in Quantum Mysticism. A movement physicists laugh at.
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There are people who swear, “I don’t care how they work. All I know is my ‘meds’ have saved my soul. Life is not worth living without Drug X.”
The majority of psych “consumers” love their drugs and labels. Especially those with “soft” labels like depression.
Try to ban psychiatry entirely all at once and you’ll fight a bunch of those people. Banning it at all is hard enough.
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I think I see your point DS.
If we can ban involuntary psych “treatments” and ban false advertising along with educating the public, psychiatry may be destroyed since we’ll cut it off at the knees.
Right now many grateful “consumers” will attack our movement along with the entire medical profession (all doctors) every branch of government and nearly everyone else.
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Good point Dragon Slayer.
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Yes. It’s all about THEM and their bloated, Jabba-the Hut sized egos.
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Congratulations, Bippyone!
Glad you feel better.
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Szazs himself practiced counseling on “consenting adults.”
Of course the problem with counselors assigned by your “mental illness” center is they are paid to keep you drugged and in the system. Keeping people miserable and helpless is their bread and butter.
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With my SMI label I knew better than to let any psychiatrist or even real doctor (Medicaid only covers the go-with-the-flow kind) in on it.
Hell no! They won’t let us go.
And shrinks can have no idea how many of us succeed DESPITE their best efforts.
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Should read Psychiatrists Insult Drug Free Programs and Patients.
No science involved. Just name calling and insults.
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The majority of the “mentally ill” would spontaneously recover if properly tapered off the psych brain drugs. With no other help. This is obvious since “recovery” has plummeted from 70% to 10% since psychiatry started pushing their cursed brain drugs everywhere.
Would you prefer 10% (with Parkinsonism, seizures, brain damage, premature death) or 70% in seeking medical options? If you were a “doctor” who made big bucks from repeat customers you would prefer the former. But patients feel differently.
Remember the lying cancer specialist who told people they had leukemia to sell them lots of chemo? Psychiatry is a branch of “medicine” composed entirely of Farid Fatas.
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“What dreams may come….”
Hell between my ears!
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I like it!
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“If two men agree on everything one of them is unnecessary.”
Abraham Lincoln.
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In The Screwtape Letters Lewis’s unreliable POV character talks about how they long for the day of the “materialist magician.”
Materialst Magician sounds like psychiatrist to me. Their DSM is spells and curses. They rely on potions and amulets. (Placebos.) Instead of summoning spirits they work with “chemical imbalances” they know don’t exist and laugh up their sleeves about.
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Articles like this make me more anti psychiatry than ever.
I plan on taking the message public when the time is right. But it will be for regular people. No sense wasting time on psychiatrists who have a vested interest in preserving the status quo.
A lot of the “mentally ill” and many others would like to know the truth if I can persuade them.
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What the article does not say, OH, is if these psychiatrists did any research or worked with alternative programs.
My guess is they don’t even bother attending these programs or talking to those pronounced recovered.
This is just name calling and fear mongering. And some idle speculation. What psychiatry is all about.
The Science of Lies.
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Yes. No legitimate medical branch defames its patients this way. That’s why there is no anti-cardiology movement or anti-gynecology movement.
Without “stigma” they would lose their real power and they know it.
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And saying “hey, these pills make me feel worse, not better,” is also a lack of insight and denial.
These people lack insight into the fact they don’t give a rip about their “patients.” And they deny they’re crippling and killing people.
Being perceived as Real Doctors is more important to them than anything else in the universe.
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Their “science” is based on the lie of chemical imbalances. They know it’s a lie, yet they promote it.
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By “best for the patient’s illness” I take it they mean most effective at prolonging it. 😛
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Extreme states.
I have experienced a couple after taking psych drugs myself.
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Sorry John.
I wasn’t trying to insult you.
I understand you are going through a rough patch. Wish I could help you.
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“Mental” could mean “imaginary.”
How about using the term “Imaginary illnesses” instead?
Do Imaginary Illnesses really exist? Only if you really believe, boys and girls.
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*Hugs!*
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Members of my family told me the stellazine i took made me act “normal” and more fun to be around.
I continued taking it to make them happy. I wasn’t the only one fooled.
How do you account for this “second hand spell-binding” DS?
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The Middle Grounder looks at the evidence presented on the damage done by psychiatry.
“Yes. Those medications seem to not help people. They shorten lives and destroy bodily organs. But why adopt such a crusading, militant tone? Why this irrational movement of zealots out to destroy psychiatry?
“Just because your life has been destroyed is no reason to get all radical and try to stop those who harmed you from hurting others.”
What is wrong with those people? Their “moderation” comes across as cowardly and cold blooded.
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What is DBT precisely?
I guess I never experienced it; I don’t even know what the letters stand for.
None of my “therapists” followed any real theory. Some helped a little–or would have if I hadn’t been drugged and labeled. Many just repeated, “Take your meds. Realize you’ll always be insane. Take your meds. Don’t follow your dreams, or have dreams. Take your meds….”
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The true enemies of science are those who use “anti science” and “X denier” as political buzzwords to silence dissent. How is that any better than prosecuting Galileo for his theory of the heliocentric universe?
“Geocentric Denier!”
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Krista from where I am now, I find your advice helpful as well as motivating.
But I don’t think Katel is coming from the same place you and I are at. There was a time reading something like that stirring comment would have made me gloomier than before.
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I agree there’s too much emphasis on “twu wuv.”
Whether pornography or sweet, cheesy rom coms.
A lot of worse people than Peter Breggin to attack though.
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Yes.
And I bear the physical damage from the past to this day.
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The psychiatry you and I know is not about love. But Dr. Breggin opposes the psychiatry we know.
That’s why the APA and others have it in for him.
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Abby says “Hi” too.
My cat has been shunned by other kitties. Her own litter mates drove her away from the barn where she used to live. Abby is a sweetheart and tends to walk away from fights with other cats.
She lives with me now. We’re both happy with the arrangement. 🙂
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Like anger, self pity can be justified.
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Steve, I think there’s more than economics at play in our culture’s embrace of bio-psychiatry. A lot of us are selfish pigs.
Thanks to the concept of Mental Health we don’t have to pat someone on the back. “Sorry you’re feeling depressed. Let’s discuss it over coffee. Then, if you feel like it have dinner with my family and we’ll watch a movie together.”
Now we say, “Your depression is a disease like TB or leprosy. Please see a doctor and take meds to fix it. I’m not equipped to deal with you since I’m not a certified professional. And please stay away from my kids in the future.”
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Barbara i haven’t experienced what you have. But I have heard enough stories like yours to say what you describe sounds perfectly normal.
I’m sorry for your double loss.
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On the positive side, my “diagnosis” cured me of perfectionism. I no longer had to play the role of Perfect since I had been assigned the one of Madwoman.
My parents were not perfect, but the real abuse came from bizarre, controlling adults at church. Like sometimes good parents discover their kids are being molested. (Someone Else’s situation.) Church can be a very good thing. Like an extended family. If a family turns dysfunctional though, you need to set some boundaries. Now, as an adult, I can finally. 🙂
My family was more accepting of my choice to leave psychiatry than I dared hope. Going was my idea (originally) to “fix” the problem that I was too smart, interested in abstract ideas, and bored by pop culture. 😛
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I have felt, since my mid teens, like I was an embarrassment to my family.
As a preacher’s daughter I was in the public eye–on a small scale. Instead of open rebellion I became obsessed with winning approval by being as thin as possible, wearing the appropriate amount of makeup, earning good grades but not showing off my intelligence in public (unfeminine.) Not to mention currying favor with high ranking, wealthy parishioners and kissing the butts of the nastiest elders’ wives who would make trouble for Dad otherwise.
Sadly I could never say the Right Thing all the time. Mom would take me aside often and harp on my social inadequacies and failings. Nothing was good enough!
I learned it wasn’t about Jesus or holy living but looking good and keeping up appearances. And kissing up to the “right people.” 😛
I took after Dad. I read a lot, was interested in ideas instead of things, and couldn’t figure out what came naturally to other girls. Like talking for hour after hour about nothing. Or expressing interest in a guy without actually telling him. Or keeping abreast the latest fashion trends and pop culture.
At 15, after a prolonged period of homelessness I felt responsible for, I decided to go quiet and try to become invisible. Since everything I said or did was wrong and brought shame upon my family.
As the new girl I made an easy target. Serious, bookish, and quiet. A group of the nastiest male students would describe graphic sex acts to me in the halls. Try as I would to conceal my distress and ignore them–which everyone told me to do–my face would look weird and my body would tremble. The sight of my emotional pain brought them exquisite delight. But none of them were “diagnosed SMI.”
According to the APA that kind of bullying is healthy and normal. Lol. (Maybe the psychiatrists who write the DSM identify with school bullies. Or enjoyed bullying weaker kids when in high school themselves.)
This led to severe social anxiety at 18. Too afraid to leave my college dorm room.
I readily believed I was SMI when told, unhappy as the diagnosis made me. What else could it be? I “knew” there was something terribly wrong with me since I couldn’t win the love and approval of all I met.
It relieved my family a little–shameful and scandalous as the label was. At least they understood why I couldn’t play the stupid social games to perfection! (Ever tried social hobnobbing and butt kissing while drugged out of your gourd? It’s a bummer!)
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I agree.
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Dr. Fred, I sense you want to make reparations for what you have done. Perhaps your conscience troubles you. 🙁
I never had you “treat” me but as a member of a group wronged by members of your profession I want to offer you my forgiveness, even as I hope to be forgiven for my trespasses.
God bless.
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FWIW, Dr. Peter Breggin was threatened with the loss of his license by NAMI.
So…even if a psychiatrist is reprimanded it could just as easily be for doing the right thing as something unusually bad (and not covering it up cleverly.)
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Seems like our society as a whole assigns the blame to the one who’s “too” emotional, speaks unpleasant truths, or is weaker than the rest. These are usually those who “lose it” from stress and get punished for it by shrinks and others. 🙁
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Crappy thoughts can bring the pain back. I need to be careful. Seriously. Ugly thoughts make me hurt all over.
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Why do you say that Salimur?
Being diagnosed made me despair of salvation actually. Like I was irredeemable.
If not soulless.
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And best wishes to you Both Sides.
May you fare better than most survivors on this site have.
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Reminds me of the movement to rename “schizophrenia” to end “stigma” branding these people hopelessly insane has caused.
Don’t call them “schizophrenics.” Call them “crazy psycho creepers.”
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Don’t worry Frank. The super awesome research team is working really hard at rearranging the chairs on the Titanic’s deck. 😀
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No #hammershaming please.
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Well, part of our focus on the role of psychiatry is that that’s what this site is about. If this were a site about abusive parents/partners/religious cults there would be more conversation about THAT. 🙂
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I understood neuro plasticity to be a form of healing.
Btw Sam, many here have suffered horribly from the MH system. But I haven’t heard any regulars say their lives were idyllic before. Julie Greene was in an abusive relationship which caused a lot of other problems leading to the ED she sought help for. Frank admits he had an “episode” due to stressful crap in his life. KS was abused as a child by her parents and others. I moved around a lot and struggled with attachment issues since I gave up trying to make new friends in my teens. Betrayal by an older woman friend who got my dad fired and my family evicted for petty reasons. Two prolonged periods we were forced to stay with relatives since Dad couldn’t keep work due to his lofty idealism. Two years of sexual harassment in high school and the teachers laughed when I told them. Went off to college but was scared of people….stuff adds up.
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And many who chose unwittingly, but were sucked down into the system.
It’s like joining a neighborhood gang. Easy in. The only way out is a casket for some.
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Let the guilty off easy by punishing the innocent. (Assume all “bipolars” and “schizophrenics” are guilty of horrible crimes they will commit if they roam at large. “Untreated.”)
Lock up the innocent eccentrics in a warehouse with violent rapists, serial killers, and child molesters. All “bipolars” are exactly alike after all. Then tell yourself what a benevolent good guy you are while you pocket what Big Pharma paid you.
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When I read this I thought, Folks will accuse this writer of victim blaming.
But there really are people who love these labels. Even “hard” ones. Kay Redfield Jamison built a career on being “bipolar.” It’s her personal brand.
I read a Xojane article where the writer describes how happy she is to know she’s depressed. Which makes you laugh if you think too hard.
I have also known (a very few) nasty individuals who used “mental illness” as an excuse for abusing spouses, partners, and kids. And seen reports of serial killers who were glad to use the insanity defense to escape full legal penalties.
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Not just guns. The “MI” already have no Second Amendment rights. A lot of do-gooders want us all locked up in institutions. At least the “severe” cases. “Softies” described in this article who like to talk about the “brain disease called depression” will probably be left to lead almost normal lives and praise the miraculous SSRI drugs. Assuming they don’t have a reaction like I did and wind up labeled “bipolar.”
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Yes. These poor oppressed psychiatrists are the only ones actually affected by the diagnoses they hand out. Alas!
We lowly SMI scum can’t appreciate how ONLY these poor professionals endure the stigma. Not even their $100,000 a year can compensate for the bigotry they alone must endure.
For those of you not forced to take neuroleptics I’m sure what they suffer brings tears to your eyes. *Sniff.*
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Even if you take the drugs that make you suffer you’ll still get punished. Shrinks have angry tantrums when you have the audacity to sieze or fall over or have heart failure or diabetes while faithfully taking their poisons. If you don’t magically improve on massive quantities of drugs you must be #pillshaming. 😛 Like forcing people to wear balls and chains while making them simultaneously run laps.
They’ll lie to your friends and family. “If she would only take her ‘meds’ she would get better. They NEVER cause people’s eyes to role back in their heads. She’s crazy or lying and faking it.”
Cause gas lighting is what they do best. Can’t win for losing.
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Tacking on the words (mental illness) won’t either.
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Know what kind of person grins all the time? A corpse.
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Shrinks talk about the stigma of “mental illness.”
Americans–and the Western world–stigmatize sadness. It’s viewed as shameful. Stupid to need a permission slip from a doctor to excuse not grinning ear to ear 24/7! 😛 Why the heck do we have to PRETEND we’re happy all the time?
During the Black Death folks were miserable, but they weren’t shamed for it or forced to fake a stupid grin when weeping was called for.
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Some people don’t have feet. An unusually large % of folks labeled SMI lost limbs to Diabetes 2.
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So Bcharris, do you recommend a paleo or vegan diet for maximum health? Or maybe pescovegetarian?
Yes John, the “mentally ill” eat a lot of junk food along with guzzling quarts of coffee and chain smoking in a desperate attempt to counteract the horrible feeling those drugs create.
Now I drink a cup of coffee a day. More makes me overstimulated. I’ve lost 11% of my body weight and hope to lose more.
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Hi BothSides.
Sorry about your situation. I realize you–and many other case workers–are not medical professionals and if you spread misinformation it’s because you’re also deceived.
While I was working out a MH escape plan I remember a worker at day treatment telling us to eat right, exercise, and always take our “meds.” I thought how sad it was he honestly wanted to help us. But taking the “meds” was the opposite of healthy and would undermine the benefits of the first two.
No one was a winner there!
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Szazs would agree that many embrace the role of madman or madwoman.
I hated mine, but never questioned it. I felt there was something wrong with me. Everyone expected me to be someone I wasn’t. Sweet, soft-spoken, fine-boned, slender, blonde, never angry only gentle tears under the worst circumstances, smiling nearly always. The Perfect Preacher’s Daughter.
At 20, after I was labeled “Schizo affective” thanks to a bad reaction to Anafranil I hated myself. Couldn’t quit thinking of ways to kill myself.
They told me no one could ever love a crazy freak like me. Also I could never even earn an independent living since no one hired SMIs. Not like I could work full time. 🙁
I did Number 1 on the list. But as a consolation prize. I really believed I was a sick, crazy monster.
It was a relief to realize I wasn’t hopelessly insane. But at 45 my life is mostly over. Not sure there’s much of anything worth saving. 😛
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Thanks Dr. Double. I think Oldhead would agree.
But it does challenge the current model.
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Assuming a psychiatrist repents and wants to become good.
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Janebeth, are you in a situation where you could adopt another kitty? Pounds are always desperate to find homes for adult cats who make excellent pets if given the chance.
My dad adopted a stray, but couldn’t keep her because the other house cats bullied her when her leg was damaged and she couldn’t live outdoors. So Dad gave Abby to me and visits her regularly. Everybody is happy now.
Abby is so happy someone loves her at last. 🙂 So am I.
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I lost it all before I started at age 20.
Starting over at 45. Kind of the reverse of you Jane.
My goal is to be earning enough to go off all benefits in another 3 years. Feeling well enough to work part time from home. I can also keep a decent home–even by HUD standards. And find social groups outside the MH ghetto.
My health is slightly improved after being drug free for 19 months. My mysterious heart arrhythmia righted itself and I’m no longer borderline diabetic. Could be MUCH worse.
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Let me play devil’s advocate DS.
Speaking from personal experience when I first took a tiny amount of the neuroleptic Stellazine I had been suffering severe social anxiety as a college freshman. It shut down the part of my brain used for tensing up so I made friends and could stay on campus.
Looking back though, alcohol would also have had similar benefits. “Exposure therapy” would have been the real answer to my problems.
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Like how Szazs described “mental illness” as a role people play. Educators know it’s harmful to label a kid “stupid,” “liar,” “lazy,” or “worthless.” But somehow they think these names help them.
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At least some cases of “high functioning” autism could be attributed to extreme awkwardness. Asperger’s for instance.
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🙂
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Yes. To her credit Kelly Brogan is using her medical license and knowledge to undo the damage psychiatrists have done and helping unhappy women–often with nutritional deficiencies–to avoid the SSRI/SNRI gauntlet offered by psych ex-spurts.
Get medical training in neurology, a legitimate branch of medicine that actually does deal with the brain. Or, if you actually like people, become a counselor like Peter Breggin and other old school “psychiatrists.”
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Some people have a high alcohol tolerance and can drink a great deal with little to no impairment. Maybe you have a high benzo tolerance.
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I believe you. So can Peter Breggin, RW, and countless others.
But hard evidence is no match for propaganda like Big Pharma ads, TV shows, and catchy soundbites. People believe what is simple and easy to understand. If an idea is too complex they dismiss it as “paranoid conspiracy theory.” Why bother trying to understand the whole truth when little lies are easier to grasp?
Sadly even credentials, research, and platforms aren’t convincing people. Probably because off this site many do not read books. They get all their info off TV shows, medical leaflets, local NAMI groups, and word of mouth from family doctors.
Pretty sad.
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Also giving people these life long badges of shame (“schizophrenia” and “bipolar”) for having temporary break downs is the exact opposite of helpful. Along with the crippling drugs.
But that’s assuming psychiatrists wanted us to lead healthy, productive, independent lives.
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I’m sure you don’t dismiss what patients say, I mean. Sorry. I appreciate what you have done and are trying even if I don’t agree with all you say here.
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Seriously, I predict this getting angry and fighting those asking them for humane treatment will blow up in these psychiatric head honchos’ butts. Or faces…whichever.
Saying you oppose human rights is not the best PR. No other (legitimate) medical branch could get away with it.
And that Dr. Torrey is why there’s an anti-psychiatry movement. Cardiologists aren’t actively opposing human rights for heart patients. 🙂
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“Great Scott! What’s the world coming to? Must psychiatrists treat their test subjects humanely? How outrageous!
“What’s next? Cancer patients claiming the right to refuse unlimited rounds of chemo on the spurious grounds the cancer specialist can’t prove they have leukemia?
“By George, this is unsettling! How’s an honest-to-gosh science guy in a lab coat supposed to make monthly yacht payments with all this nonsense about human rights, ethics and other anti-science stuff?
‘Pardon me while I go puff up like a blowfish.”
Thus spake Dr. Ariel Castle at an APA awards banquet.
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Dr. Joanna you can never fully appreciate the torment these drugs cause if you haven’t taken any. Emotionally versus chemical reactions. I hope you listen to what your patients say and don’t dismiss it, but I’m sure you don’t.
Haldol (10 mg) caused me seizures, Parkinsonism, and worsened my OCD and caused full blown psychosis during my fits. No one believed me. 🙁 The doctors told my parents I was lying and if I took those drugs (I did! I did!) everything would be fine.
It’s over…thank You God! But being drugged for 25 years–on a cocktail between 1994-2016–has left its mark. My life never will be a good one even if it is a few years longer.
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I’m so sorry Janebeth!
I wish I could meet you in person and hug you.
Sad we survivors are spread out so far apart and only meet virtually in many cases.
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No they are not.
Most shrinks realize “bipolar 2” cases brought on by SSRI/SNRI reactions would go away if they just let you go off the poison and recover. But that would be pill shaming.
So they exact revenge on you for daring to have a reaction to the “meds” which can do no wrong and they have gone on record calling “safer than aspirin.”
My sister is allergic to penicillin but no doctor spread nasty rumors about her and forced her to take a “cocktail” of benadryl, advil, and double the original amount of penicillin till she died. Yet that’s exactly how psychiatry works.
Praise the pills by blaming the vic–uh–patient. 😛
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I missed that part about the therapist. Surprised one would admit those “lifesaving medicines” could hurt you. My guess is she or he runs an independent practice. Am I correct Jane?
The depression lifting near the end of the taper is what I experienced too in coming off Effexor after 23 years on SSRI’s and 25+ years on one psych drug or another. But mostly “cocktails.”
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My condolences Jane.
Your story is a great example of the “patient shaming” psychiatry routinely practices. “Our pills are magic. Yet you gained a bunch of weight, can’t hold a job, make friends, or even clean your living space. What’s wrong with you? It can’t be the fault of the stuff we prescribe. You’re just not trying. Let me double your medication.”
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Okay. I looked up the word “infloresence.” It means the entire head of a flower. A flower shaped like a caterpillar.
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“In faith there is enough light for those who want to believe and enough shadows to blind those who don’t.”~Blaise Pascal.
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Orders which are illogical and wrong.
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Both are based on what cannot be scientifically proven and promise to cure the dark side of human nature. Many people “choose” to follow psychiatrists’ orders despite the sickness and misery it produces out of fear the “mental illness” will make them do horrible things otherwise. Even harm other people.
FWIW my religious faith stopped me from suicide. Not any “help” from my (mostly) well-meaning but clueless psychiatrists.
Dumping my faith in psychiatry has given me a new lease on my original faith in the Man of Galilee.
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Faith is not about the irrational but the invisible. Not all faith can even be called religious.
I have faith a country named China exists though I have never visited there. I have faith the food I eat is not poisoned though I can’t run lab tests on it. I have faith that the earth is a sphere and revolves around the sun. Yet I have never been to outer space.
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Science is easy to fake and turn into propaganda.
Huxley understood this better than Orwell.
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Actually that ratio would favor men. 🙂
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Scientology is a FRINGE religion. Not mainstream.
Psychiatry apologists never call dissidents Methodists or Southern Baptists.
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Don’t forget the psycho therapist and psychiatric RN who work in the MH Center and are married to elders. They make comfy incomes. They tithe too. 😛
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A lot of religious people are scrupulously honest too. Because of their kindly, simple hearts they don’t believe nice Dr. Brown could tell outrageous lies and sell mind altering drugs by comparing them to “insulin for diabetes.”
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Does anyone actually read MH?
I bet if it reached a general audience the shrinks would censor articles like the one Noel cites.
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Mainstream psychiatrists claim to have the answers though.
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The answer to the mystery?
They can’t know. So…to be safe..they assume all visitors are diseased, the drugs help (though they say they don’t know WHY) and the physical disease actually exists in the brain. Since–they assume–minds do not.
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I believe it’s a caterpillar shaped hole.
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Different things cause it. In the case of one mother I know her extreme perfectionism played a role.
Counseling, coaching, or just a lot of talk with helpful friends would have been a benefit. Perfectionism can really make us miserable.
Having my life wrecked by psychiatry actually “cured” me of this problem. Still pretty brutal.
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Nearly all traits associated with “schizophrenia” are highly unflattering. So whatever the name is it will be insulting and cause discrimination in all who take it seriously.
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Would make a great comedy sketch.
Psychiatrists have determined the term Schizophrenia to be stigmatizing. So they’re replacing it with the alternative diagnosis Crazy Creepy Psycho Disorder.
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Well said, Salimur.
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Yes. When a woman is lactating she’s very vulnerable to micro nutrient deficiencies.
Also the situation of bringing a newborn home is very stressful.
In the old days this was helped by having an older woman–mother, sister, sister-in-law help out while she adjusted to motherhood. However, even back then, new mothers would stress out. Like a lot of Weir Mitchell’s victims. Anyone read “The Yellow Wall-Paper” by Charlotte Perkins?
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Yes JanCarol. The closest thing to voluntary patients psychiatrists have are people desperate to end their unhappiness–but unwilling or unable to make necessary life changes or simply deal with negative circumstances. So desperate that–though the doctor or psychiatrist tells them the drugs fix no known brain problem but may make you feel better before giving them. Silly how many would think it scandalous to get pills or injections from street dealers to feel good, but if a man’s a doctor it’s okay. (Doctors have dealt illegally with drugs too. Further complicating things.)
I don’t believe in mind altering drugs to feel good and am angry at being lied too despite no “involuntary” imprisonments or AOT sentences. I did what I thought was the responsible thing to do–not just for me but those around me. As a result my finances, relationships, and health are ruined. And I’m forced to mooch off my aging parents who aren’t happy about the “help” I was given either.
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I cured mine by escaping. For the first time in my adult life I can control my own thoughts and emotions. Pretty scary and exhilarating!
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Okay. It’s a cow tranquilizer. Lol. 😀
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To be fair no psychiatrist ever told me that Steve.
But numerous workers at the Mental Centers where these professionals work did. Countless supportive family members–the real brains–told us this at NAMI. Pete Earley admits this is a falsehood on his blog–can’t do links here–but says if it makes people take their “meds” it’s okay to lie.
Yes the insulin is actually heroin. We can’t prove you have diabetes.But don’t you dare stop taking the white stuff. For rea$on$. 😛
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“Outside the body” is a metaphor since souls don’t occupy space and are not substances. Independent of is what I believe.
I have read monist psychiatrists ridiculing the “idea that the mind is a separate substance in the brain.” Perhaps they think the concept of mind or soul we hold is ectoplasm similar to the glowing slime in Ghost Busters?
May not be a Strawman Fallacy. Psyches are incomprehensible to these psychiatrists.
Even atheists like Szazs believed in the power of mind over brain.
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It does get better. Remember that. 🙂
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Dr. Coleman, if you want to help people with legitimate medical problems causing gloom or weird thoughts/behaviors I am all for it. 🙂
That, however, is not psychiatry. You don’t visit psychiatrists for anemia, thyroid disease, Lyme’s disease, or brain tumors though they’ll gladly label you with “Clinical Depression,” “Schizophrenia,” or “Bipolar” if you do.
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My condolences Lcostanzo. No one should be put through that nightmare.
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Or the kid is “too” smart and the teacher is boring.
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You misunderstood me DJ666. Psychiatric drug addict. All my drugs were prescription and coerced.
SSRI’s are highly addictive.
Since “DJ666” is plugging this new wonder drug, let me plug the site SurvivingAntidepressants.com. It helped me–and countless others come off those highly addictive toxins. Effexor has been compared to heroin by someone who took both and she said it was harder to come off of.
I might not have made it without my friends at the online community and the advice they gave. No doctor could give this advice because they refuse to take people off–with a few rare exceptions. (And if you suffer withdrawal they blame you and put you on more drugs.)
The people running this site are all volunteers working out of the generosity of their hearts. They do not get paid for these services.
And they are not paying ME to sell anything either. 🙂
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Psychiatrists already use drugs to rape patients. I can see this happening.
Yes, it is illegal. But who will listen to a “crazy” person?
“Mental health” = extreme power imbalance. Fraught with abuse as is common with absolute, unquestioned authority.
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Two part poll for people officially “diagnosed” with “Bipolar 2.”
1. Did your psychiatrist claim an SSRI unmasked the “symptoms” you never had before using it?
A. Yes
B. No
2. What did the psychiatrist prescribe the SSRI for?
A. Depression
B. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
C. Other
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Moral injury–unlike physical or emotional–can only be done with the consent of the injured. Lack of moral backbone–as Madmom says is the big problem leading to “moral injury.” Do what is right and you won’t damage your conscience.
Btw, when I hear high ranking shrinks enjoying wealth, power, and fame whimpering how stigma really only effects them i laugh out loud. Like some Grand Wizard saying any opposition to the KKK is racist. And it’s all directed at him personally. Bwahahaha!
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Well if I conduct it for journalistic purposes OH, I don’t need to follow scientific research guidelines. Polls don’t require doctorates come to think of it. They conduct them on the 6:00 news all the time.
And it’s not just feelings but the “diagnosis” of a “medical expert.” You need the legally valid psychiatric label of Bipolar 2 to take it. Is it scientifically valid? No. Is it socially valid? Many here say “mental illness” is a social construct. It can really alter your life.
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I too have struggled with misanthropy Lcostanzo. Many survivors do–long after withdrawal has ended.
My solution? Unconditional love. Still a work in progress.
Realize in rejecting the “mentally ill” the undiagnosed seek justification for their own failings. In rejecting us they are rejecting the dark, ugly sides of themselves they refuse to own. They are not so much EVIL or delighting in cruelty as foolish and careless of others.
Plus it’s impossible for “outsiders” to fully understand the agony psych drugs cause us. My best friend was shocked when I told her how dead and miserable I felt under the influence. For some reason I seldom complained about THAT, though I whine a lot.
Probably knew no one would listen; just one of those things I had to put up with. Plus I didn’t want to hurt anyone and feared I would if undrugged.
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Does bad faith mean bald-faced liars?
Psychiatry has indeed overreached itself by telling 20% or more Americans they have brain diseases rendering them hopelessly insane “without treatment.”
Like the McCarthy hearings, the Salem witch trials, and the Reign of Terror in 18th century France–we have reason to hope that this cruelty and mass paranoia will collapse under its own weight. How many psychiatrized people are enough? Just like there were endless “commies” and witches and traitors the APA refuses to say, “This far and no farther.” More and more “consumers.” Never enough for the bottomless pit of Pharma Psychiatry.
McCarthy had his breakdown on live TV. Citizen Robespierre finally had his own date with Madame Guillotine.
Soon, the members of the APA will be reminded that they too are but men and not God.
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The Bonker’s Institute? Great site. 🙂
Also loneliness.
It’s worth noting psychiatric “help” leads to poverty, poor health, and segregation. It forces you out of the workforce and estranges you from your nearest and dearest. And doubles your aging speed. I don’t look it, but healthwise I have the body of a 75 year old. I’m 45 and took at least one psych drug for over 25 years.
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Side effects include spontaneous combustion of the head, stomach acid eating its way through internal organs, and behaviors associated with rabies. Should any of these occur, contact your doctor immediately. Especially the first.
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You sound depressed Steve. Here. Snort some horse tranquilizers.
Lol. 😀
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“Blood” them? I’m not familiar with this term. Perhaps because I live over the Pond.
What does it mean Fiachra?
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What does “anti science” mean? Luddites who reject post-Industrial technology? Christian Science members who believe the physical universe is an illusion? Or simply a fellow scientist with a theory another rejects as unscientific and leads to a struggle between them and their followers–based more on egos than mere difference of reasoning patterns?
It’s a highly elastic term meaning whatever the scientist or pseudo scientist wants it to mean. (Like “dummy.) It saves time and energy needed to present a rational argument.
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“Anti science” is a politically charged label rather than a summation of any actual beliefs held.
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I remember an earlier article by Phil Hickey about psychiatry’s attempt to rebrand itself. Ronald Pies’ brain-child.
The name psychiatrist is pretty absurd considering the discipline is based on the a priori assumption that souls (psyches) do not exist. 😀
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If a shrink says he’s God he may get elected president of the APA.
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Plus psychiatry is an easy way to get rid of or brush off members who suffer extreme pain. Instead of hours of pastoral counseling to a depressed member going through divorce/job loss/loneliness, you can tell them to shut up and take their meds. Then pat yourself on the back for being a good Christian. 😛
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Delusional is in the eye of the beholder Dr. K.
So, why do you suppose mainstream religions have embraced psychiatry instead of regarding it as a threat? Most Christian preachers wouldn’t urge members to convert to Buddhism for example.
Yet I have heard preachers urge people to seek “help” from psychiatry. Directly from the pulpit.
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Yes. That presents its own problem.
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Short term use for 4-6 weeks may be okay. These pills correct nothing but if someone is really stressed they can help them chill. Not as addictive as Xanax.
A short term remedy at best though. Like using sleeping pills to break an insomnia cycle.
And, I know, OH it would only be a consenting, informed individual over 18. Wouldn’t need a psychiatrist for this. No lies about “broken brains” or “chemical imbalances.”
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I remember one physically violent guy who was angry at being there. He really wanted to hurt the staff but could have hurt anyone in his way if allowed to go on a rampage.
His anger was justified but so overpowering he might have hurt someone. I have been very angry/irrational at times when my cocktail was highest. Now I can control it better.
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I’m deeply concerned how many people urge battered wives not “to be afraid to get help from a psychiatrist for the disease of depression.”
I urged a woman in one forum not to take SSRIs since she needs her wits about her to escape. Plus she may get a harder diagnosis (like bipolar) and wind up unable to work, and losing custody rights to her husband. Plus the court will be biased against her due to her label. Egregious and unjust as that is. 🙁
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Labeling someone “schizophrenic” is a great way to ensure that they never marry.
Even if they find a fellow outcast compatible the drugs make it hard to make relationships work. And the government will punish you by docking your income by more than a third. Great way to discourage “criminal types” from breeding.
Eugenics is alive and well folks. 😛
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I love you CAFEEO. 🙁 Wish I could help.
We really need a support forum for survivers continuing to suffer iatrogenic illness, economic, and social problems.
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I always wanted to marry because of my parents’ happy, respectful union.
When I was labeled SMI at 20 I realized I would probably frighten all but abusive creepers away. Good guys shun “schizos” after all. 🙁 For years I was inconsolable.
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A search engine. But they also have a bunch of other services like Google Docs and gmail.
I hope the monopoly will be broken up if they censor enough people. There virtual empire is already threatened by “vertical search engines.” If I were tech savvy I would be designing a search engine that would allow users to block out sites they dislike and vote “up” on those they do. 🙂
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I agree with you there Someone Else.
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My condolences Theresa.
Tell the shrinks what they want to hear. They are holding your son hostage till their demands are met. This will make them relax their guard till you can help your son escape the Hell between his ears.
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Or once you have the audacity to complain about a drug causing seizures, heart arrhythmia, your weight doubling over a few months, uncontrollable vomiting, hallucinations you didn’t experience before, horrible depression, etc.
I never knew to what to complain about in the “side effect” department since most would deny it or shrug it off as no big deal even if it was listed on the thing the pills came with saying you should report. I learned early on reporting problems was futile and kept my mouth shut about anything negative. Shrinks only hear what they want and dismiss anything negative as delusions/poor insight/agosognosia/personality disorder/fill in the BS. Or they think your premature death by multiple strokes, seizures, or heart attacks is a risk they’re willing to take for Big Pharma kickbacks.
How dare you pill shame! Shame on YOU!
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The society had “good insight” too. Never questioned what they were told. 🙂
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With any luck they can trigger psychotic mania in a victim.
“Gotcha! Now you’re ‘bipolar 2’ and your a** is mine!”
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I put those in quotes. That’s what their shrinks called them.
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It’s perfectly legal for shrinks to kill patients in the US if they do it by “standard treatment.” Lost two friends to that. Not suicides. Not mistakes. “Standard treatment side effects.” 🙁
(By mistakes I mean bungling the dosage or forgetting allergic reactions. Karen’s shrink knew she was seizing on her drug and thought that was acceptable for her. By her I mean the shrink. Plenty more where Karen came from.)
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After they delete this comment they won’t have a record when they come for print books. Big Brother is way less efficient than Orwell imagined. 🙂
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I collect print books and write in paper notebooks before publishing online. Including blogposts. 😉
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Labels exist Oldhead. Biologically valid or not.
I want to show the public how even using drugs for “soft diagnoses” like depression/anxiety can ruin your life with a Bipolar 2 label rendering you a degraded non-person in the public’s eye. And a non-citizen with no legal rights at all.
Knowledge of neurobiology can come in useful in revealing and repairing damage done by psychiatry so don’t poo poo that.
I would survey those already labeled by psychiatrists as Bipolar 2 to discover how many were fine till a shrink messed with their brains.
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Just giving the devil his due OH.
Please read it in context.
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Btw, my parents roll their eyes at news about “antidepressants” now. Mom said she was surprised how much better I am off of them.
And the horse tranquilizers creep many out. More skepticism is occurring even though there are few true “anti psych” people are around. Dr. Phil yelled at a mom for putting her kids on ten drugs apiece through three different doctors.
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🙂
Okay. Not attacking you Alex.
So, you’re not protesting his earning a livelihood so much as overpricing it?
Btw, I wish someone would do a survey on people diagnosed with Bipolar 2 to find out how many cases were triggered (“unmasked” the mental illness makers call it) through SSRI use for depression or some off label purpose. Do you need to be a professional to conduct one?
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Sadly researchers do Alex. We all have to eat.
If my writing never pays–the interesting stuff probably won’t–I will have to find another way to earn a livelihood. Using up time and energy that could be used for writing.
Don’t you charge something for the services you offer?
The laborer is worthy of his hire.
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Dr. Horowitz, I want to learn more about neurobiology. Are there any open courses you would recommend? (MOW)
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I only had one psychiatrist I could call truly evil. On the other hand–out of more than a dozen–only two or maybe three talked to me like a human being. They will only listen to you (generally speaking) if you say what they want to hear.
If you say, “Gee doctor you’re so intelligent. These medicines you prescribed make me feel great. This Zoloft is a life saver.” That they will listen to and use as evidence that what they’re doing works.
If a “consumer” says, “This Haldol is giving me seizures and while I seize I have terrifying hallucinations.” “I haven’t been able to sleep since you put me on Anafranil two weeks ago.” “My depression is worse than ever on Prozac. Can’t quit thinking of suicide.” Well all those patients are clearly delusional and should not be taken seriously. Except you should lock up the third. That will teach him to be treatment resistant! 😀
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Are they dumb enough to think these help undeveloped brains? Or do they just not care they’re poisoning the next generation?
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Thanks Jinkinson!
Dr. Breggin calls this deception “bungling.” A charitable term for of the harms the APA Inner Circle perpetrates by lying to us all.
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Things are certainly different now. Even though most guys don’t find obesity attractive they are happy with healthy looking women. Glad that part of the eighties is over! 🙂
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Depends on how far you get into it. But my late depression is because it stems from bitterness and lack of faith as well as ingratitude. I had a friend lie in bed and refuse to get up or let his family know he was alive because he was bitter at how his life had turned out. Anger turned inward.
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Depression is a feeling. Not a disease!
Yes, I have been depressed and have been very much so lately.
But it comes and goes like any other feeling. My life sucks– largely because of psychiatry. I have a right to feel very sad.
Not sure it will ever go away for long. Because–oh yeah. My life stinks and will never get better!
Psychiatrists only make your problems 10x worse and pretend your rotten life situation is irrelevant. That’s why these guys are worse than useless in solving any problems. Physical, social, or spiritual. Worthless physicians.
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Jonathan, I was always dieting in my teens. Anorexic eighties.
My mom, my aunt and every other female friend told me it was impossible to be too thin. All the boys wanted us to look like Callista Flockhart or Kate Moss.
I went off to college desperate to find a husband. I wasn’t fat but far from that lean and hungry supermodel all guys demanded. In my religious subculture you only have a narrow window of time to marry if you’re female. Between 18 and 22. On your 23rd birthday you’e well past your prime since all the guys are taken and you might as well be 46. The colleges are 70% female and female curves make guys think you’re a slut I suppose.
I never could become thin and pretty enough. But I’m sure all those laxatives and crash diets and 3 day fasts for the beautiful body my rotten genes denied me messed me up long before I started SSRIs at 21.
Morbidly obese now, hopelessly alone and middle aged I stay at home and cry with my cat. Still less depressed than on those darn drugs. Tears feel better than that undead zombie state psychiatrists call “good mental health.”
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Fatal Attraction meets One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.
My dad frequently remarked on how nutty everyone running the System was. The “crazy’s” were too drugged up to think straight. The real nuts were the sanists running the thing. 😛
The woman who got me diagnosed BPDS actually fits the “symptoms” better than me. But because she slept with a different guy every month or so and never bonded with any she thought she was emotionally sound. 😛
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Congratulations Madmom. Your daughter is blessed to have you helping her.
Was in the System for 25 years. Mom almost took me to Canada to see Dr. Abrams but couldn’t. She and I kept telling the doctors I hadn’t been so out of it till the Anafranil kept me awake 3 weeks. No one listened. Till they told us it proved I was crazy by “unmasking” some brain disease that couldn’t show on MRIs.
Finally off drugs for 18 months. Mom is happy. She gave up years ago. I did till I read RW and others.
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“I’ll see you at the malls!” While the others held her back from physically assaulting a “patient.” Sounds like one emotionally stable woman with great interpersonal skills. The epitome of reason and a bastion of sanity. 😀
Bwahahaha!
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I wish you well in your efforts Mr. Mattila.
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The best situation for a psych test subject to be in is where they thoroughly deceive the deceitful abuser. Kiss up to them. Never complain about “side effects” since they don’t care and are capable of doubling or tripling the drug making you deathly ill as an act of petty revenge. Absolute power does that to people.
Flatter them nonstop. Like a rape survivor I heard who tricked her captor into thinking his kidnap and rape had made her fall in love with him. He took a shower and she escaped. Pretty stupid to think his cruelty would win her undying love and loyalty. But a surprisingly large number of power-crazed people think that way.
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They don’t care if they kill us. Literally.
A friend of mine watched how shrinks drugged her sister to death and encouraged me to flee the system afterward. 🙁 They kill people. They treat us worse than lab animals.
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I knew better than to ask my shrink’s permission to go off my cocktail. I ran away instead.
If they set all of us loose how could they make yacht payments?
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You’re not a prisoner; not a patient. Your ass belongs to them and they know it.
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The big problem with psychology is its association with corrupt drug dealing/brain mutilating psychiatry. If a psychologist or counselor wants to help people they have to start their own practice. Work at the mental illness center and you have to tell folks to remember they’ll always be “bipolar” or “schizophrenic” and promote the drugs the shrink prescribed. Then yell at the “client” for not trying harder or skipping “meds” on the sly (though you lack proof) when they deteriorate on the 3-6 mind altering drugs Dr. Frankenstein has them on.
Btw, Eric Maisel, I know you reject the bio model and work independently. Probably for the reason I describe. Please don’t take this personally. 🙂
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Like the priesthood, psycho therapy has a number of sex predators. Only no one believes those preyed upon by the corrupt therapists. (Which is why they do it.)
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Psychiatry is frozen in the 18th century. Kind of an undead hybrid of phrenology and mesmerism.
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Going through life with a medicine head is pretty disabling.
If someone were forced to go through life on “therapeutic” levels of Nyquil that kept them from thinking straight that would likely ruin relationships, prevent gainful employment and lead to early death.. Just call the narcotic syrup life saving medicine, claim it saves the lives of those you keep doped up, or prevents them from killing others (because you say it does.)
Psychiatry in a nutshell. The only disability I had was the one they gave me.
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Definitely.
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Wow! Sorry Fred.
What was Dr. Gestapo mad about? That you managed to escape and he would make you pay for doing so well?
I have to see MDs for physical problems caused by the years on drugs. I have a “mental health” center I say I go to but don’t. Getting rid of my label is very important to me.
Even here people laugh it off as no big deal. But until I get my “diagnosis” changed I’m not safe around any doctor and can be institutionalized if ever discovered. Being denied the rights of citizenship and possibly locked up without due process is no joke.
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Anesthetics are used short term for surgeries. Not for a lifetime. Big difference.
Most people don’t want to sleep their lives away. And most wouldn’t take this crap if they weren’t deceived by drug companies, social workers, and doctors they think they can trust.
These people will not get accurate information from traditional sources. 🙁
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I saw a man inhale a permanent marker. It seemed to make him very happy. The next antidepressant has arrived!
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I’m sure the APA is tinkled pink. More folks taking horse tranquilizers=more psychotic breaks. Which means more bogus claims the drug “unmasked” a condition they couldn’t find before. How convenient–for shrinks! Because the drug’s so addictive psych doctors can fool people into thinking they “need” their “medicine” to fix the imbalanced brain chemistry (well informed) shrinks secretly laugh at.
Just like Anafranil messed my life up. At 45 I feel like a woman of 75.
When do you think Big Pharma will alter adhesives (slightly) to sell as inhalants for the desperately unhappy?
I was taught not to abuse mind altering drugs as a kid. The “mental illness” makers told me repeatedly these were different–non addictive brain fixers. Turned me into an unwitting drug addict.
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Lots of street drugs can alleviate depression for a little while. So can huffing rubber cement in a bag. But you can’t bill insurance companies for model airplane glue–gosh darn it! 😀
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Lol. Yes. 😀
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Did the patient want to die? Maybe. In this case.
Think about it. They can try pointless, brain damaging regimens of drugs and psycho surgery on “patients” against their will–often killing them as a side effect of Standard Care. All against their will since the “SMI” don’t know what’s good for ’em and “no” means “yes.”
Why not extend this same line of reasoning to euthanasia?
“Yes, Mrs. Mable says she wants to live. But as a Paranoid Schizophrenic she’s delusional when she thinks her life has meaning. Better do the humane thing and put the poor sicko down immediately. Aren’t we humane?” 😛
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I believe Szazs would argue she had a right to kill herself but the doctors shouldn’t get involved. After all you don’t need a medical degree to end a life.
Kind of pompous of doctors actually.
I refrained from suicide as a matter of conscience. I owe psychiatry NOTHING in that respect.
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Thanks for sharing, Nic. Dr. Brogan has written a book supporting this. A Mind of Your Own.
It’s worth noting psychiatrists who work at “mental health” centers do not treat thyroid conditions or other endocrine problems nor nutrient deficiencies. I suffer anemia and thyroid problems but seek help elsewhere. The same with proven brain issues like Lyme disease.
SOME psych doctors may check people with depression for thyroid levels or the other conditions you mention. I have been to a number of health centers and clinics and not one ever mentioned checking for these. Even GPs frequently overlook these concerns if you bear an SMI label. 🙁
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My pernicious anemia causes depression. But this is a gut problem, not a brain disease, which would be a physical illness instead of mental.
Ironically my malabsorption comes from long term use of “antidepressants” it seems.
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The function of the family is the same as friendship or other relationships. Love. 🙂
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Of course for real brain disorders you go to a neurologist. Not a “soul doctor” who denies souls exist.
My gut flora is very messed up thanks to 23 years on one SSRI or another. I needed those pills like a kick in the head. Or stomach.
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Varun your story about the effects of the drugs you had been told to take–how they killed your ability to smile and act human–got you accused of “non compliance” made me want to cry.
Been there. Done that. Kept getting accused of going “off my meds” in college when I kept having Parkinsonism and mini seizures from 10 mg of Haldol. The psychiatrist claimed they never did that. My dorm mom told the guidance center I wasn’t taking them or I wouldn’t have the problems the Haldol was creating! This got me kicked off campus.
Funny thing is, now that I have tapered off the 3 drugs I was prescribed for “bipolar 2” no one knows I’m off when I visit a doctor. They often say, “Wow. Your ‘meds’ must really be working well. No flat affect; you’re smiling. Emotionally stable. No longer depressed or suicidal despite your health problems.”
I smile and say the “meds” are working fine. The Placebo Effect cuts both ways. 😀
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Varun is not where we are OH. Can’t expect him to know the lingo.
As KS points out he has a valid story to tell. It’s worth the read.
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Wow!
I had a couple times I experienced a weird, mild tingling sensation in my skull during withdrawal. But from the brain zaps you describe sound like something different. I was lucky that way. Also never suffered from insomnia, believe it or not.
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I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. At least not one run by human beings. The Big Pharma companies want as much money as possible and–like greedy, selfish people often are–have no forethought and refuse to think more than a decade or two ahead.
Like the Washington demagogues who refuse to think beyond winning the next election. Or the NAMI mommy who just wants her “crazy” kid to shut up for the short term, though she should know it will keep him from adult independence–likely forcing him to live in her basement in his forties.
“Do you want it done right or do you want it done fast?” Pharma psychiatry offers fast fixes and easy answers. Forget the long term results! This is America.
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In defense of Sheriff Steve, he is the most fair minded and just moderator MIA has had that I remember. Wish you wouldn’t call names. Especially names like that.
You aren’t a psychiatrist, so the names won’t stick like a psych “diagnosis” but we survivors know words have power.
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To quote Thoreau:
If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life.
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Yep. After 3 weeks on maybe 8 hours sleep thanks to Anafranil I was finally allowed to cold turkey off it.
I needed sleep and still couldn’t think straight. The good “doctor” cheerfully told Mom and me I had classic schizophrenia since the “medicine never did that to anyone.” Hearing that sent me into full blown psychosis.
My old life ended then.
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Cat, if you want to contact me, my blog is lookingupliving.wordpress.com. A religious site–not about psychiatry. (Except a couple pieces.)
Like you, I’m a libertarian Gen X-er who’s mad at all the bovine excrement we’re being fed. By Big Pharma and others. Dialogue with the “mental illness” makers is pointless.
“Let’s compromise and do things my way. Bend over, grab your ankles and I promise when I hit it won’t hurt VERY much.”
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B-b-b-but, Bcharis if they did that it would be “pill shaming.” Pointing out how Ritalin and SSRI drugs cause psychosis might discourage “meds compliance” and lower numbers of folks diagnosed with Bipolar 2. Which would be a tragedy. 😛
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Ellie is hallucinating too. Bring on the neuroleptics!
Am I the only one to question how counseling does anyone any good if painful emotions are reduced to a brain disease? If pills are the only cure for sadness why bother talking about it since the sadness is just an irrational symptom of a disease and should be ignored like delusions or hallucinations?
I was depressed as a 7 year old. Not a brain disease. Lousy learning environment. Kept getting yelled at for knowing more than my cognitively disabled peers. SBD class for behavioral issues no amount of punishment could cure. I was a wicked child. 🙁
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Don’t forget the psych ex-spurts. Can’t risk offending those either. Cause old “Doc” Torrey and his puppet Jaffe might call us mean names like “anti-psychiatry” and “scientologists” and “flat earthers.” Can’t risk offending these “Real Scientists.”
If we make nice and kiss the butts of all the members of the APA maybe we can peacefully dialogue–before they lock us up and drug or shock us to death. Lol.
Let’s see how long either of these comments stays up.
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Cool!
We anti psychiatry folks need to think outside the box. Social media has been doing a lot of censoring lately. Kicked the anti-vaxxers off Facebook. I’m starting to become an anti-vaxxer myself since the massive propaganda and censoring is a sign there’s something weird going on the vaccine pushers want to hide.
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It will destroy Western Civilization. My 12 year old nephew was put on Zoloft for his fixation on tidiness and anxiety. Now he’s failing every subject and is indifferent to everything. His parents shrug it off as a minor “side effect of the medication.” I kid you not. How is that an improvement?
I see the boy’s being groomed for a future as a professional mental patient. Ugh. 🙁
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Why are they coming after the young “intelligencia” SE? Afraid all that intelligence and creativity will disrupt the learning process?
The world pharma-psychiatry wants to create sounds more and more like the dystopia Kurt Vonnegut depicted in “Harrison Bergeron.”
My own IQ went up almost 20 points after my taper btw. But I didn’t start the drugs till I was over 18 and my brain had almost matured.
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Entertainment causes people to turn on the set. No two way TV’s yet, so they have to lure folks in. Once people are set up for hours of passive, mindless entertainment they’re ready to be mystified and confused.
I don’t think it’s all a conscious effort to make people stupid, but it has that effect sadly. Every time I have been in a psych ward there is a set blaring for 12-14 hours a day. Despite the proven fact excessive TV causes depression. My guess is the staff does it to stupify everyone further (in case the drugs left a few brain cells alive.) You see this in day cares and nursing homes too.
The idea that “bad things only happen to bad people” has been around since ancient times. Harold Kushner talks about this in Why Bad Things Happen to Good People. He speculates people like this idea since it gives them a sense of control and safety. “If I’m really good I won’t go bankrupt, my spouse won’t leave, and I won’t get cancer.” Of course this backfires if tragedy strikes despite how “good” the person was.
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A major problem JClaude is people think psychiatry=help. Many “looneys” go around saying it saved their lives and souls. I have known people with lives obviously ruined by drugs and labels. Poverty, shunned by family, horribly sick, barely able to function outside institutions…yet they swear psychiatry is their savior.
I think this is due to spell-binding, being fed constant propaganda till it outweighs your real experience–like a cult, and the sunken cost fallacy.
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That has yet to happen in America.
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Someone is mad.
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I call it the Madhouse Without Walls.
With so many career “consumers”, institutionalizing all of them is not as financially expedient as letting them wander the community, crippled and shamed.
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William I highly recommend Surviving Antidepressants for doing the taper.
Survivingantidepressants.com helped me a lot in coming off my cocktail. Especially Effexor. That one can be a bear. 🙂
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I do OH.
Yeah-I-Survived my only problem is $770 isn’t enough for a regular apartment and there’s a stigma with not working.
Every social situation I’m in I get asked, “What do you do for a living?”
One church I attended I sort of lied. Told them I get SSI for Fibromyalgia. (They said some horrible things about “crazies” later. I was right to lie.) The preacher’s wife kept demanding why I didn’t substitute teach, work in daycare, work in fast food, be a cashier. Just because moving is agony and it hurts to stand more than 60 minutes at a time is no excuse for not flipping burgers 40 hours a week it seems! 😛
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Couldn’t have said it better myself Sylvain!
I’m in that middle ground. I have never been locked up “involuntarily” if you can call being thoroughly deceived that my brain would deteriorate without the “treatment” offered voluntary. Is a diabetic taking heroine because the doctor they trust called it “insulin” a willing junkie? (Food for thought.)
Many like me are too disabled to work after years of psychiatry and need the meager handouts to live. I would have left the System earlier but a poor work history, discrimination, and symptoms like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome still keep me from gainful employment. My heart and other organs were “mysteriously” giving out. None of the doctors would tell me why or what to do about it. I think they knew. 🙁 Escaped just in time!
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I knew a man called Dave who believed God was telling him to become President of the USA in 1988. Dave was treated badly by all but my Dad and one or two others. To keep from feeling like a loser Dave NEEDED to hear voices telling him he was special and would be President someday. The reality would be too painful to face. So he had “delusions” and lived in denial of reality.
Nowadays there are doctors who desperately NEED electro shocks to work because this will prove their medical specialty is legitimate and this “surgery” shows they’re more than glorified drug dealers. Plus they hate the idea that all they do is cause random acts of brain damage for “help.” The reality is too painful to face. So they have “delusions” that they’re helping their victims and live in denial of reality.
Yet Dave was crazy and the doctors are considered sane.
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Well said Sylvaine!
I hope it stays up.
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Psychiatry also provides the illusion of safety by blaming all violent crimes and shooting sprees on the “genetically defective criminal types.” The high ranking shrinks promise to save the public by “helping” those they’ve scapegoated.
Because they have thoroughly dehumanized us all in the public’s eye, everyone is happy to have the “monsters” locked up and put through cruel, pointless experiments. Even those who have never committed misdemeanors are treated worse than “sane” convicted felons.
If we must have psychiatry it should be kept separate from the government. When the government has the power to lock up and torture without due process only evil can come of it.
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I agree Truth. Those drugs create Hell between the ears!
But there’s nothing more depressing than being told you’re hopelessly and irredeemably insane.
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More “mental health.” Ugh.
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Bruce, the article you cite and link to mentions “shift in responsibility” under the part about the willingness to inflict pain.
This is why psychiatry is inherently cruel to its “patients.” The psychiatrist is not responsible to those he diagnoses as “severely mentally ill” but to Society as a whole. He is no more working for us than a prison guard is working for prisoners or an exterminator is working for the rodents he kills.
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I have symptoms of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome myself. Every so often I need iron infusions and B 12 injections thanks to years of psychiatry. My body can’t process micro nutrients anymore. At least my heart arrhythmia has stabilized.
$770 a month is not enough to rent anything but HUD. (A lot of those are slums.) Even in Indiana.
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Never heard of the psych diagnosis “Walking Wounded.” Did it make the DSM 5? One of the personality disorders perhaps?
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Lol. Yes.
But I don’t think NAMI would allow comments like these.
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You never talk to people who feel they have been harmed, only helped Don?
You accuse Dr. Breggin of knowing omission? I know I would feel safe enough with someone like him to share things most psychiatrists laugh off or blame on the “patient.”
I was accused of faking seizures, tardive psychosis, etc. Learned early on to keep “side effects” to myself. Even if they were supposed to be reported no one wanted to hear them or would listen to one of us.
Never had shocks but they sound horrid. Weird how seizures–by drugs or psycho-surgery are supposed to be good for the SMi but not Real People who count.
Lebensunwertes Leben.
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Pharma-psychiatry owns the media. Nowhere in any mainstream media outlet will anyone criticize Psychiatry. In fact they go to great lengths to hide negative stories.
Plenty of sites for folks to gush about the “help” they have received though.
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Well said KS!
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I agree Anonymous2016!
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Sorry KS. You needed and deserved info that wasn’t there.
But what about people like the blogger at Bipolar Burble who get mad at us, and want to have us all locked up because she’s scared of having her “meds” taken away? People throwing tantrums for shocks, drugs and labels?
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Personal accountability is why I took the damn drugs Dr. K.
They assured me I was bipolar and my only hope for gainful employment, successful relationships, and living outside an institution depended on compliance. Furthermore I might murder someone if “untreated.”
My family assured me I was “better” and they could stand to be around me now. So, the drugs made me miserable and sick, but I took them as an act of self sacrifice for those around me.
I feel bad about living with my parents and mooching off the tax payers. But my family and the tax paying public wanted me crippled. So it’s their tough luck. By all rights Big Pharma should pay everyone in my situation $1,000,000 for malpractice and false advertising. They won’t though.
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Ban involuntary psycho-surgery and drugs. If someone wants their brain damaged and ignores information put out that all ECT and drugs are is brain damage, it’s their brains being mutilated.
Sad. But Dr. K’s article would apply to people seeking easy answers for problems with living.
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What about the involuntary “patients”? What about those who can no longer read, talk, or walk from brain damage? What about those who can’t remember family members? Time for them to have their say!
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I withdrew by fleeing. No medical help at all. In the USA involuntary shock is standard care. If the authorities knew where I was I could be dragged back. My body can no longer process food properly so I need iron infusions regularly.
The drugs did not help me. They amplified the voices, killed all pleasure, made my weight double, and caused seizures. But no one listens to stories like mine or countless others. Time for OUR voices to be heard!
It’s good you think what they did to you was helpful Bippy. Many of us are not pleased and MIA is one of the few places we can express less than worshipful sentiments toward psychiatry’s random acts of brain damage.
I guess if they damage the right part of the brain the “patient” will stop thinking painful thoughts. And lobotomies are making a comeback according to Live Science August 14, 2018. But it’s “better” because it’s done with lazars so it looks more scientific.
While lobotomies were hip and trendy they compared psych drugs to lobotomies. Nowadays people call that “pill shaming.” Yet the principles remain the same. Where would psychiatry be without its public relations team?
I’m angry they lied to me about a “metaphor” the inner circle tries to pass off as a joke. The Chemical Imbalance Legend is not funny Dr. Pies!
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Transportation is the real issue. I will have to make any plans while visiting friends in another city. I live out in an isolated rural area 5 miles from the nearest town of 1400 people. I can’t drive.
I depend on my folks to get everywhere. Was not allowed to get a license at 16 and Mom used my “diagnosis” later as a reason for me never to drive.
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But if vampires don’t exist what will Buffy and Van Helsing kill?
Seriously the fact that you can make diseases magically disappear or transform them into something else lends credit to the notion that “mental illness” is indeed a social construct. Can doctors vote cancers into existence? Or turn melanoma into liver disease with a stroke of the pen?
There are groups of writers, educators and editors that assemble to vote on expressions and rules of grammar for proper writing. What I read in They Call You Crazy reminded me of those groups.
But everyone acknowledges the language experts’ efforts are social and artistic–not hard science. And they don’t have the power to lock you up, publicly shame you, or operate on your tongue for bad grammar.
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Do these “scientists” have any theory of how ECT is supposed to help people? Or is it just “We don’t know how it works but we know it does (because we really want it to and it shows we’re more than drug dealers)”?
They seem SHOCKED at the idea that brain damage occurs or claim it’s minimal. Get real. No brain damage means it’s not working.
Psychiatry “helps” people in emotional distress by shutting off or destroying random parts of the brain. Nothing has changed since they started drilling holes in people’s heads or ice pick lobotomies. Just better PR and bribing the right people. 😛 And they’re crippling and killing a lot of people who would have been safe from their cruelty a few years ago.
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No Bippyone.
I was referring to the woman Peter Breggin mentions at the end of his article. Sorry about the mess your family is in.
I’ve escaped psychiatry but an forced to live in the boonies with my grouchy, critical mother. At 45 she treats me like I am 12. Totally isolated except for her and Dad. Suffering from 25 years on a cocktail so working–even part time is difficult. Plus there’s no ride to work and Mom discourages all efforts to find employment with her put downs.
No housing anywhere. $770 a month is not enough for rent even in my state. Plus if HUD opens Mom insists it must be within less than 25 miles of her and Dad. Now and then she says I should go to a “home” but there are none available. (Thank goodness.)
I have heard of women like me who made remarkable improvements when the mommy they “couldn’t live without” died. I think of this and feel guilty. Hopefully I can escape before then.
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Anyone want to hazard a guess why that woman gave a glowing recommendation of ECT and then gave Peter Breggin that note? It sounds suspiciously like an abuse situation. As if she were afraid of someone she knew was watching her and–perhaps–had put her up to saying what she did.
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It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. ~John Stuart Mill
Like the witch Circe, Psychiatry lures us in with promises of a happy life if we drink the potion. The desperate among us do so and are transformed into pigs.
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Thanks DS.
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Thanks. Leaving psychiatry, disowning the labels assigned me and going drug free has helped a lot. My body is a wreck. I feel like a woman of 75 instead of 45. But my soul is no longer asleep. Great to have my mind back!
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Thanks Bradford. I already have a hope that will not disappoint.
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Stealing from the “consumers'” already meager checks happens all the time in the Mental Illness Factory. Not supposed to anymore than rape or physical beatings, but it does because no one believes the victims–or at least not till there are a lot of them and a truckload of evidence impossible to ignore or hide.
Had it happen to me. The old lady running the boarding home I was stuck in stole the $50 a month I needed to buy personal items like shampoo and toothpaste.
One place in South Bend was so corrupt they not only stole from “consumers” but fudged on government payments too. You don’t steal from Uncle Sam without consequences. They shut Madison Center down. Huzzah! 😀
(The new place is less corrupt.)
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Chill
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For Dragon Slayer or anyone else, what books do you recommend for learning the history of modern psychiatry? RW’s books are great but focus primarily on modern Pharma-psychiatry in the last 30-50 years.
From my readings “asylums” began as an industry around the time of the Age of Reason and the Industrial Revolution. I think the former played a really big role in the obsession with the sane vs insane dichotomy of “mental health.”
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I’m curious Sam. Do you feel you have sought to “medicate” your distress and now regret it? Are you upset the wife you speak for has chosen to do so? Or something else entirely?
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That’s why I will never have children Mark. Nothing like an SMI label to destroy all your dreams and hopes for this life.
This is already happening. Crippling 20-25% of the next generation before puberty is almost as effective as sterilization. Birth rates in developed countries are in steep decline. In Europe there are actually programs and incentives encouraging folks to have kids.
I don’t see it as a conscious effort, but short sighted greed and not giving a rip about the people harmed. Western civilization is doomed–in large part thanks to the “doctors” who gladly sell poisons to trusting patients in exchange for warm doughnuts and free peeks up Yolanda, the hot pharma rep’s mini skirt. 😛
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Knowledge puffs up. Love builds up.
Doctors are no more loving than the rest of us.
And the fact that they’re smarter and know more than the average person makes them that much more dangerous when they turn evil.
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Two of my friends (at least) were killed by psychiatry. Not suicide because of the misery it created. Not malpractice. “Side effects” from standard care.
Karen was 29 and died from a grand mal seizure caused by a neuroleptic her shrink refused to take her off. Donna was 49; doctors weren’t sure what to put on her death certificate. She was on half a dozen drugs; a bunch of her organs shut down at once.
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You’re right. It’s not helpful MM. NAMI has been trying the “Be nice to us; we’re different” for years. Of course with NAMI it’s more like, “Please don’t hate us because we’re defective. If we swallow all these gosh awful pills we’re almost safe to be around.”
The Mad Pride or Neuro-diversity movement tries to put a positive spin on Crazy but the notions of life long madness can never be viewed as a positive. And Kay Redfield Jamison and others have sort of been trying to prove that because an occasional “mad genius” emerges maybe society shouldn’t ostracize some members for crimes they never actually committed.
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About the “inflicting pain,” I imagine there are a few cases of doctors turning to sadism. Psychiatry would be an ideal specialty for them since no one will believe people with SMI labels.
The whole thing is scary. #Notallshrinks But the psych system is a hotbed for this cruelty. Psychiatric medicine is Absolute Power. And you know how the saying goes.
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Charles Ponzi and Bernie Madoff’s marks were naive and gullible but they did not deserve to be robbed blind. Nor do those deceived by shrinks deserve to have their lives ruined.
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Another thing Dr. K doesn’t mention is the bizarre mindset in America that not being happy ALL THE TIME is shameful if not wicked. As if people need a medical excuse for not grinning like the Joker in Batman 24/7.
Why is this? It’s very stupid.
One example is Bella Depaulo’s impassioned argument that singles were every bit as happy as married people. A question we should ask both Dr. Depaulo and the folks conducting the survey she refuted is: who cares?
Seriously.
Maybe we need to assert our right to unhappiness. 😉
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If your dealer wears a lab coat it doesn’t count as drug addiction. (Woohoo!)
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Good point.
In our society astrologers don’t collude with judges to get someone innocent locked up. “He’s a libra and therefore dangerous to himself and others.”
Prominent astrologers don’t go on TV to warn everyone about how virgos may go on killing sprees unless force fed this magical elixir astrologers sell. (Sugar water, rubbing alcohol and meth. Yummy!)
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So Dr. K, if someone fed me a capsule of cianide saying it was a vitamin and I swallowed it would you say I voluntarily chose suicide when I was lied to?
There is some truth to what you say, but it borders on victim blaming.
Yes, calling depression and anxiety brain diseases instead of making better ife choices is tempting. BUT…everywhere you go people post or say stuff like “Depression and anxiety are real.” Meaning they are brain diseases. For some reason calling them painful emotions gets people mad. (Aren’t feelings real?)
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The church I attend advocates for psychiatry. Tells us how “science has discovered that mental illnesses are caused by chemical imbalances in the brain.” Have gone on record saying it’s cruel to tell people to trust Jesus when Prozac is needed to save them.
It should be obvious even to non-religious types that it’s all a sell out. Helps the other members pass the buck and ignore the suffering. “Don’t talk to me. I’m not a licensed professional and might make you crazier.” Having the poor/awkward/unmarried get SMI labels makes a great excuse to give them the cootie treatment too.
No more annoying people to spoil our country club atmosphere. Not enough green stuff to plunk in the offering plate. 😛
Churches selling out to psychiatry are basically saying “Souls don’t exist. Or at least the mentally ill don’t have any. Jesus can’t save you if you’re mentally ill. You’re unredeemable or a nuisance (no real difference) so please stay at the county home where you belong and quit bothering us.”
My dad used to bring a van load of people from a county home where people too brain damaged from shocks/drugs to care for themselves lived. People went to great lengths to stop him from bringing them. Did I mention the church was really pro-psychiatry? Compassion and psychiatry aren’t synonymous. But the latter makes a cheap and easy substitute for the former!
I believe this passing the buck to psychiatry will kill a lot of churches. Why bother with attending when you can bypass the church and go straight to the MH Center for salvation? Can’t even mourn it since the church was already dead. A corpse with a lot of riger mortis. (Saddle Back.)
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A friend of mine in her 70’s had stomach pain, couldn’t eat and became so weak she couldn’t get out of bed.
In the hospital a doctor she trusts told her she had a chemical imbalance in her brain and “antidepressants” would fix everything. She’s pretty frail but got out of bed. (Placebo effect? Being fed in the hospital?)
It’s a safe bet she has gut issues, but her lazy, lying MD chose to put her on psych drugs instead. Creep!
June believed him because she’s scrupulously honest and would never endanger someone for bucks.
Why are most MDs monsters nowadays? They know the chemical imbalance is a myth so that makes them filthy liars when they spread it as gospel truth.
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The intolerance of emotional pain cuts both ways Dr. K. In the old days people would support grieving widows and provide companionship for the unhappy.
Now they tell you to see a psychiatrist and take some “meds.” It sounds nicer than “bug off.”
Something you neglected to mention was the ubiquitous psych drug commercials. Despite what I have told family members they find it hard to believe the pills aren’t helpful (except for quieting folks to stuff in institutions.) Cause the dancing pill commercials are so cute! And Dr. Phil says….
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So Edith Sheffer addresses the “severe cases”? I guess I will read the book.
My BFFL is an educator and has been encouraging me to get diagnosed with autism. She believes it will automatically cancel out my “bipolar” label. But that goes contrary to what I see.
Even if it were valid I don’t need another XXXX label! People are cruel and hateful to everyone the least bit different. All you have to do is wear ugly paisley slacks, bite your nails too much, talk too much or too little, not be organized 100% of the time, or say something clever/creative. Bingo! You’re crazy and worse than Jeffrey Damer with leprosy in the eyes of the “Normals” who act, dress, and talk like everyone else.
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KS my over-the-top statement was not meant to be scientific. Memories do change. My own are far from accurate and change as I reinterpret my past.
But cavalier dismissal of actual abuse is a real problem in the “mental” system. An SMI labeled victim makes a great mark for an abuser.
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“There’s no such thing as repressed memories. Or implanted. Just hallucinations and delusions of the severely mentally ill.” That’s a popular cultural narrative now.
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She had no formal training FWIW, Fiachra.
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In America the media is terrified of losing drug company sponsors.This shows not just in the news but on crime and medical dramas. Murderers are always “untreated bipolars” I notice.
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“It looks like you have no idea what mindfulness therapy is.”
Not sure the perky worker who forced us to hum and empty our brains for 2 hour sessions did either. Ugh! Torture. You had to be REALLY “medicated” to sit through one of those. Most just took naps.
I referred to them as mindlessness exercises. Relaxed and dumb as possible is what mental health wants for all the clients. 😛 They love to force you to watch lots of TV too. They play it 16 hours per day in every psych ward I’ve visited.
Of course forced therapy only “works” if inflicting pain is the end goal.
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Dragon Slayer what would you say to parents like MellowMack? What about those classified as “autistic” who can’t talk or take care of basic needs for themselves?
Some of us can call ourselves socially awkward or eccentric but others have real problems learning and holding down jobs. How do you explain that?
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Religions have been banned in the past.
Of course then it was practiced underground. Are you saying this would happen with psychiatry Mark?
For what it’s worth Szazs said people demanding drugs and brain mutilations had the right to pay for them.
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As a former voluntary patient the idea of chaining someone going willingly is stupid. It’s like they want to humiliate you as much as possible.
Police give rides to non arrested people all the time. A bunch of balogna sauce!
If you’re desperate enough to seek help at the funny farm better get a family member to drive you or take a cab. Or–better still–avoid those places altogether.
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Lovable but eccentric Aunt Betty, Debbie the depressed stay at home mom, Ted Bundy the serial killer…what’s the difference to Pharma-psychiatry?
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Handcuffs and fetters are standard in these transportations. Even if the hospitalization is requested by the “mentally ill.” I should know. 😛
Hard to swim with those on assuming the back doors didn’t automatically lock from the inside.
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Very interesting!
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Thank you Ann and Hugh. The title of this article made me smack my head. (It’s the shrink who decides of course.)
But it offered insight for those of us who are not therapists about the frustration you may feel when “consumers” insist drugs and more drugs are the answer. I even read an article by a “bipolar” woman bad mouthing her “evil psychiatrist” because he was holding out on her and not giving her the “good stuff.” She hunted till she found one who gave her massive quantities of what she insisted she needs to feel good. This is one of those (rare) cases I feel more sympathy for the shrink than the “consumer.”
In her defense she has received a miseducation through TV commercials and NAMI that psych drugs will cure all your problems and save your soul.
As far as psychiatrists who oppose these drugs or “swear at them” yes, they exist. (Most write for this site!) But they are few and far between–greatly outnumbered by the pill pushers. Only the pill pushing kind work at centers, serve on the APA boards, or are asked to speak at NAMI conventions. During my years in the System I never met a single one who criticized the pill magic or offered to take me off or inform me of alternatives to drugs and shocks.
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Methinks Dr. Andreasen’s biggest fear is enough people will stop taking the drugs and recover to prove her profession is worse than useless in helping the broken among us.
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I prefer the term “emotional pain killers” for these drugs. A tiny amount of Stelazine helped me short term.
Unfortunately it deadened my ability to experience joy or feel affection. It also made me think psychiatry had all the answers. This led to an anafranil-inspired bout with psychotic mania and 3 weeks with no sleep. 😛
Down the rabbit hole for 25 years. Doing okay without any drugs now. Grieving over my wasted life though.
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My condolences. Your son no doubt has a learning disability, but it sounds so different from Anders’ experience that lumping them into the same category is doing both a disservice.
As Dr. Breggin has said the human brain is the biggest mystery in the known universe. Precious little is known about it.
Have you seen the short documentary “Autism is a World”? The young woman in that can’t talk but communicates through a machine like that Steven Hawkings used.
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The late nineties. Things have changed I know.
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Often it leads to discrimination and psych drugs.
25 years of psychiatric drugging has made me more “autistic” in my behaviors than before. Public rejection and TBI. All my life I have struggled to look “normal.” To this day I’d sacrifice my eye teeth to fit in and be like those around me.
Being yelled at as a kid for “being weird all the time” by my mom only increased my awkwardness. Ever tried focusing on NOT being weird in your pubic interactions? Great way to drive yourself nuts. 😀
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“It” is an extreme state labeled a disease by shrinks. Depression is real, but it is not a brain disease. And calling it that invalidates the experience and prevents any positive changes the unhappy person might make.
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You mean that “mental illness” is an oxymoron?
Yes that does cause confusion when I have brought this up. I pointed it out to David Healy on his blog. The experts hem and haw. “Yes. Well mental actually means the brain.” “Yes we should call ‘schizophrenia’ a physical illness; not a mental one.”
But getting shrinks to call extreme states physical illnesses will not automatically end the battle. Great for making folks ask questions though. If depression is caused by a brain disease why is it called a mental illness? We don’t call brain cancer a mental illness or see psychiatrists to treat it.
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Drugs and psych labels make gainful employment all but impossible. Not enough subsidized housing for all of psychiatry’s victims. And SSI payments will not cover rent in any state.
Hoping to bootstrap myself up now that I’m drug free and can write more easily and don’t need 12 hours of sleep per day. If not for my kind relatives I’d be homeless probably.
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Yes. It could also be a metaphor for mindless hyper consumerism. Noteworthy how homelessness expands even as psychiatry does. Also disability rates. As RW has already pointed out if the “treatments” helped people function and lead productive lives shouldn’t the reverse have occurred?
Before I found out about all the writings discrediting pharna-psychiatry I would sit in day treatment feeling confused. (More than just the drugs at work.) They told us how much our “meds” were helping us; how they made our lives so much better; and how these “meds” were saving our lives. I noticed how sick everyone was with legitimate ailments–but at a rate most folks did not. We still acted on impulse, had crazy thoughts, heard voices, and struggled making ordinary decisions. We couldn’t work or get along with other people. Most of us wanted to die and struggled with suicidal desires.
They told us how great things were and it made me angry. What was good enough for us would not have been good enough for “real people.” I knew our lives stunk but no one dared admit it.
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I agreed with Sylvain about scientific proofs and arguments. The proofs already exist thanks to writers like RW and many others along with obscure papers published by the APA itself.
It’s not more scientific research we need (unless it’s helping survivors heal from the damage shrinks have done to them.) What we need to work on is public relations and presenting anti-psychiatry in trendy, dumbed down ways so John and Jane Doh! can get it. Sadly we can’t get a platform on TV. Few people read anymore but they mindlessly consume countless hours of television. Maybe catchy tunes on Youtube videos?
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Convincing them our rights are being violated and we are being harmed would be a good first step. Many believe they are helping us by drugging, shocking and imprisoning us. (And saving their own lives too.)
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Stigma means “shame.” Who shamed us? Why the lord high stigmatizers themselves at the APA.
A true “stigma buster” would be publicly discrediting a shrink! You avoid stigma by shunning their “help.” Man do they lack insight into how human beings behave!
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The way society sees it Alex, is we are all mass murderers who will go on killing sprees without our chemical muzzles. They believe we are being helped–not hurt–because these drugs restore the chemical balances of our hopelessly defective brains.
Can you blame them for not wanting to be murdered?
(I know this is all bovine excrement promoted by the drug industry and shrinks. But I guess more than 95% of America’s population believes the “metaphor” Pies is laughing up his sleeves about is a scientifically established fact.)
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Well said Sylvain!
Many more would come to our aid or find the courage to leave the System if they realized there is no known brain disorder behind the emotional distress and therefore the pills cannot correct it.
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Psychiatry excels at covering its butt. Pulling the right strings is responsible for this no doubt.
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OH nobody knows wheels exist sadly.
It’s because of lying creeps like Lieberman stigma is the problem. TD and other marks of brain damage, morbid obesity, homelessness all come from “help” creeps like him have tricked or coerced the innocent into taking. He knows his profession is behind the rash of killing sprees. Everyone here knows he’s morally responsible for these deaths and is happy to have them continue since its great PR for his profession. That man has no conscience or empathy and is a menace to society.
Know why there’s an anti-psychiatry movement and no anti-cardiology movement? Because heart specialists don’t go on national TV and demonize folks with heart attacks. (Also they don’t cause heart attacks in a bunch of hitherto healthy people.) Real doctors don’t slander their patients!
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KumininExile, could you elaborate how homeless rates will cause psychiatry’s downfall? I don’t care how it happens, I long for its destruction. No one is safe from shrinks anymore. Not even toddlers!
I’ve noticed severe housing shortages for folks disabled and labeled by psychiatry. But I can’t see how this will bite shrinks in the butt. They can (indirectly) cause mass shooting sprees with their Hellish drugs, then use the drug induced violence for unlimited expansion of powers by lying to the public on TV. Nobody holds them accountable for anything.
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The idea is learning to control your OWN negative thoughts. Not letting someone else control them.
Like Thomas Szazs I only support counseling sessions between consenting adults. If it doesn’t work for you or you don’t want it they shouldn’t force you to have CBT.
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God, grant me the serenity…
to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.
Also known as “The Serenity Prayer.”
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Not against CBT as long as it’s a good form and the counselor is ethical rather than abusive.
Fine line between accepting responsibility for your own actions and beating yourself up for others’ bad behavior. Reminds me of the 12 Step chant.
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Yep.
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Dr. Breggin thank you for your efforts to help us. Sadly when Toxic Psychiatry came out in 1993 I was already sucked down the psychiatric maelstrom which ruined my life. I never knew the book existed till recently.
I want to remind readers that while Dr. Breggin is not a survivor, he has nothing to gain by taking our part. It has almost been career suicide. If career advancement and prestige is all he’s after he’s doing it the wrong way. He didn’t have a dog in this fight–but chose to put himself on the line to help folks like us. Remember Oskar Schindler?
I will always be grateful to you Dr. Breggin. 🙂
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According to this article Anti-psychiatry isn’t what they aim for anyhow.
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Me too.
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Psychiatry’s business is producing mental patients.
The APA’s motto should be:
Driving everyone crazy. One case at a time.
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Hi Sandra. Did you also start out as a member of the “worried well” till psychiatric treatments drove you bat-sh*t crazy? That’s my story. The System never acknowledges this either. That would be “pill shaming.”
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A union for social workers won’t help prisoners of psychiatry. But I doubt it will hurt them more either.
Neither here nor there.
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My guess is “schizophrenics” in these studies get a little too stoned and hallucinate. They get locked up and put on psych drugs to make them “schizophrenic” till they die or escape.
Ironic how Psychiatry wants to use this same substance they have condemned in the past to “treat” the “illness” they accused it of causing. But we’re talking about Psychiatry here. 😀
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One of the best therapists I ever had–Kevin–told me he used a bunch of different methods and applied whichever fit the situation. He used CBT occasionally, but if the person was too down hearted he would try another technique.
I used the book “Feeling Good” by David Burns. But it’s not the same as having it forced on you by an emotionally abusive “therapist” or shrink.
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I take vitamins to compensate for damage caused by years of “med compliance.”
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I thought marijuana was supposed to trigger “schizophrenia.” There are psychiatric papers claiming as much.
The quacks can’t make up their minds.
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CBT can help in certain situations. But self blame should be avoided. Most people abused by psychiatry already blame themselves for everything. That’s why standard “mental health therapy” is ineffective.
Tell them, “Hey you’re not a defective monster. Your brain is not broken. You can think for yourself and not believe everything the ‘sane’ folks tell you. They have no right to treat you like dirt just because they call themselves ‘normal’!”
That would cure their depression in most cases. But it would make them leave the crazy house without walls. We can’t have that after all. 😛
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They’re slow to learn due to conflict of interest.
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Convincing insurance companies of psychiatry’s impotence and the harms it causes is also necessary. Convince the general public and the insurance folks will follow.
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The DSM forced to compete and Big Pharma banned from legal bribing in the form of “contributions” from their lobbies. Those two things would really defang the Monster Psychiatry.
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An unusually large number of psychiatrists kill themselves each year. Could they be suffering from”untreated mental illnesses”? *Gasp!*
More likely they can’t bear the torments of their guilty consciences over all the people they lied to and damaged. Like Shakespeare’s Lady MacBeth. Or the commandant depicted in Schindler’s List. (In real life he did lose it. Emotional pain is behind break downs. And guilt can be quite painful.)
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Me too
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The “mental health” system is working.
But if you actually want to help people you need to look for another job I’m afraid.
I’m finally getting my life together slowly. Learning to build a social network. Lose 200+ pounds. (Down 40 so far.) Rebuilding my shattered body, mourn my broken dreams and accept responsibility for my bad choices.
Hard to “adult” in your mid forties. If I hadn’t fled the crazy making system it would be impossible. It exists to keep people helpless and dependent.
Chronically ill from years on prescription drugs. Never gainfully employed. Never had a relationship. I owe it to the boon of modern psychiatry.
My life stinks. But I wouldn’t trade places with you Manuela.
It must be horrible to honestly want to help people who only get worse in every way possible. 🙁
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That’s why he’s called a shrink.
SHRINK.
This is your brain.
This is your brain on psychiatric drugs. Any questions?
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I was hungry, but instead of making dinner I took a phenthin. Shoot, instead of grocery shopping this week I’m just going to stock up on diet drugs. Since drugs are the cure for everything now. Why solve a problem when you can just numb it and continue the thing that caused the problem to make it even worse?
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Social interactions and relationships are the cure for loneliness. Not drugs to numb a normal, natural feeling in a bad situation!
Pharma-psychiatry’s “drugs for loneliness” plan is as stupid as saying appetite suppressants can cure world hunger.
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I agree SE. I like Kelly and the articles she writes.
I would have used the term SSRI myself. (Or SNRI.) Unfortunately most don’t know what these terms mean.
“Antidepressants” are really selective seretonin reuptake inhibitors. “Antipsychotics” are neuroleptics. “Mood stabilizers” are tranquilizers.
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Precisely!
It’s not who you are. It’s how you look.
My earliest “lesson” from adults before my first breakdown in 1984. I was not quite 11. 🙁
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It doesn’t matter how smart a person is or how many letters come after his or her name. If you know they lie whenever convenient they are not to be trusted. An honest janitor with a high school diploma is more credible than these well-informed liars.
Congratulations for standing up to them Dr. Gozche! Unlike most of us commenting here you stand to lose a lot for doing what is right. And nothing to gain in the material sense.
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Trotsky inspired Snowball in Orwell’s Animal Farm.
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Maybe if more of us loved people and used things to help them (remember Schindler’s List?) our loneliness would end. But people are selfish, greedy and unloving. Because no one cares about their “loved ones” our culture is glad to farm out unhappy people who are no longer useful to worthless quacks. That way–even if they suffer horribly and die–they won’t cramp our style.
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The writer lost me with the phrase “mental health.”
Psychiatry is the cause of my loneliness. If I had not been stupid and gullible enough to see a shrink back in 1992 I would be a much happier woman today with a family, friends, and career.
Today I have nothing. Broke–living on gov. assistance with relatives and in occasional HUD slums. So sick I hurt all over and can barely leave my room most days. Never married. Will never have kids.
I owe it all to trusting my shrink and “meds compliance.” 😛
I hate my life. Psychiatry can talk to my hand!
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I am lonely thanks to psychiatry. Too sick to get out much and fearful of being “found out.”
Psychiatry IS alienation and drugs. Those are its 2 components.
The drugs aren’t really about helping people survive Ramesh. About keeping them docile and childish so they’re easy to control.
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A drug to make you stop feeling lonely? Good grief!
Why not just get drunk all the time? A lot of people use alcohol to cope. About as safe and effective. And we know more about long term alcohol use.
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“Compliance” is all that matters in “mental health.” I remember a study NAMI conducted (need to look it up) where they determined successful treatments solely by how many continued to stay drugged. The quality of life was irrelevant since they didn’t record it.
You can be miserable, vomiting uncontrollably, unable to speak or move without difficulty, and obsessed with suicide. But if you’re “meds compliant” no one gives a rip. And they’ll dismiss any suicides as “in spite of” never “because of.”
How convenient! 😛
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I know plenty of people “on their meds” who act that way. I often was.
The Haldol and other crap made me too numb to speak often. But it did not make me more coherent or rational. Nor did it enhance my problem solving skills.
That’s how brain damage “helps.” 🙁
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Why should anyone in “mental health” want to change? They’re happy with the status quo. And when they finish slowly killing us they can get fresh meat through ads/propaganda disguised as news.
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National Association for Manufacturing Insanity. 😛
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The words health and independence draw attention to the fact that NAMI is dedicated to the exact opposites. Causing sickness and disability. Also premature death.
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Ds_Ghoste, my gut no longer functions. I can’t absorb micro nutrients after 23 years on one SSRI or another. Pretty sick all the time. It started 3 years before I went off, though I notice the pain more.
If the damage can’t be reversed at least the thing causing it has been stopped. My heart arrhythmia is better now. And I can lose weight again.
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Sounds great CatNight!
Of course I’m not Corinna. But how about National Association for Health and Independence? That would fight NAMI and SAMSA and similar groups since they create sickness and disabilities in people they view as threats. That’s how “mental health” actually works after all.
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I bet insecticide wouldn’t help them either.
But keep giving out SSRI’s as much as possible doctors. Keep a big dish to hand out to visitors like office mints. With any luck you can induce psychotic mania, label them Bipolar 2 and force feed them 3-6 drugs instead of 1 every day till they die.
Cha ching!
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I admire what you’re trying to do Corinna. But I quit working with groups like that long ago.
NAMI stands for Never Achieve My Independence. 🙁
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Churchill too. 🙂
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Use the colon and capital P. Emoji face with the tongue sticking out. Like so. 😛
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Tolstoy would fit that category. So would Martin Luther King.
MLK attempted suicide at age 12. Few people know this. Thank God there was no psychiatric “help” to ruin his life back then!
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You got that right OH. I didn’t take those XXXX drugs for 25 years to become “docile and child-like” aka helpless. The quacks promised they would help me lead an independent, productive life outside an institution. A lot of my “SMI” friends are now begging for institutionalizing now, believe it or not. They can’t keep up on their ADLs needed to keep HUD thanks to long term brain and nerve damage. 🙁
I escaped just in time. (I hope.)
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Like the shamans for so-called primitive societies. The “diagnoses” of psychiatry are incantations and the “medicines” are talismans and elixirs. This belief system is called the Power-Threat narrative. It’s usually a religious system.
Because people believe in the hexes the medicine man places on his enemies they can actually die.
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Steve and Alex you both make good points. If my gut tells me something is off I don’t immediately ACT on it. I investigate. Like someone accusing someone of a crime. Innocent till proven guilty. But you carefully look at the evidence being submitted.
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Dysfunctional people are the norm.
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That’s what Samuel Butler was mocking in his novel Erewhon.
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Not in foster care thank goodness. Makes me angry to read about this after the crap psychiatry has put me through since age 18. Hard enough as an adult.
If I ever have the financial means I want to take in foster kids. That’s why I’m reading this. 🙂
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You got that right. Profitable for psychiatry and pharmacy companies, but bad for the economy as a whole. Crippling 20-25% of the next generation is very short sighted. But evil always is.
Plus the shrinks can pretend to be humanitarians and express surprise at all the horrible stuff that happens to their victims. “Ruh roh. Look what the schizophrenic disease did. Not my fault. It’s the disease that did it. But please don’t ask me to scan the ‘treatment naive’ since that would be unethical.” Unethical meaning “bad for my career.”
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Thanks for the article Steve.
Really disturbing to me. Not your fault; but the subject matter.
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Your final sentence packs a powerful punch. I said I was suicidal when I wasn’t. Why? People quit treating me so horribly–as they had since the quack told friends and family I was hopeless.
Without psychiatry I never would have done this to start with since I was viewed as a human being before.
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In The Jungle Books the monkeys tell Mowgli repeatedly “We are more intelligent and resourceful than any other animals in the jungle.”
When he looks incredulous they protest, “It’s true. It’s true. We all say it is and we should know.” 😀
Thus Pharma-psychiatry defends itself.
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If you ever pay a little visit to NAMI’s forums for “supportive family members” who run the whole show a lot of them whine about the “emotional abuse” they put up with from the “mentally ill” kids in their 30’s and 40’s. Boo hoo. Who crippled them and forced them to live in the basement to begin with?
The “mentally ill” never complain since they believe everything bad that happens is always their fault for being crazy.
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Verbose AND articulate? So is the priest using too many words or just the right amount of them?
Psychiatry is full of its own delusions. Despite the death and destruction in its wake these men persist in playing god with cruel, pointless experiments on those they deem unworthy of life. Szazs was right!
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Yes. Emotions are always a “symptom.” Meaning the “doctors” consider themselves to be androids or emotionless space aliens. (“I am a Vulcan. There is no pain.”)
Can’t get any saner than that. Bwahahaha!
Zombies is a great metaphor too. Soulless. Devoid of all emotions except the hunger for the brains of living creatures. Dr. Torrey I presume?
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Thanks Krista!
Not all psychiatrists are alike. Some choose this field because they dislike dealing with anyone who is not an inferior.
But the kind you dealt with would cave in to assertive behavior. Especially if they know you’re not afraid to sue them for malpractice. 😉
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Tell me how slowly poisoning someone over the course of 10-30 years is any kinder than quickly killing them in a gas oven.
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Or wearing an ugly paisley blouse/tie that embarrasses your family members. Pretty crazy huh? Personality Disorder no doubt. 😛
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Yes. A lot of ordinary GPs would fall into this category as well.
And most psychiatrists are not as remorseless or deceitful as members of the American Psychiatric Association and similar Inner Circle groups.
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They have completed premedical training however. How can they not know the history of the science behind their profession? Are they really that ignorant of what their prescriptions do? How they maim and kill people?
However kindly their intentions their ignorance and the damage they inflict (even if unwittingly) terrifies me. It should terrify us all. Damaging a patient through avoidable ignorance or neglect can still lead to a legitimate doctor being sued.
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Dr. “I-don’t-know-any-real-psychiatrist-who-promotes-the-chemical-imbalance-metaphor” Pies.
You know. That old rascal. 😀 Needs a better organized filing system to keep his lies organized.
Fooling all of the people all of the time is a tough act to pull. Lincoln said it was impossible. But what would Honest Abe know about successful mass deceptions?
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With all due respect Dr. K, I don’t think we really need professionals. Or at least we shouldn’t. Human love doesn’t require a PhD or MSW.
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I wish they would since that would go over like a lead balloon nowadays.
At least the 19th century folks were honest. “I don’t like this behavior so I’m going to punish those who do it even if it is legal.”
Everything in “mental health” is punishment for weird but legal thoughts/behaviors. If laws were broken there are already courts for criminals to be tried.
It’s not about sex so much now but little nit picky stuff. Sadness. Anxiety. Squirming in class. Liking anything authorities don’t. Liking art “too much.” Being too sensitive. Or independent. (That’s “toxic” now. Independent folks don’t consume enough.)
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Furthermore these same people will dismiss or demonize those suffering after years on these drugs–shaming them to exonerate the pills (and their morally bankrupt profession)–and ignore how many health problems we have including early onset dementia and premature death. Skew the surveys and use anecdotal evidence–but only the anecdotes that they want the public to hear.
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Been off thyroid medicine for 3 weeks. Couldn’t find a prescriber thanks to a Medicaid card glitch.
Lucky my cancer doctor was nice enough to write one. (No cancer, but pernicious anemia and other deficiencies thanks to decades on my psych cocktail. Iatrogenic disease is real!)
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In defense of the oppressors, Steve, they would be in a lot of hot water if the American Psychiatric Association ever made a PSA saying, “Heh heh. We goofed. Seems these things never fixed any brain problems, muddled people’s thoughts, destroyed inhibitions against suicide and violent crimes, and were addictive as street drugs too.”
A lot of people would be angry. A lot of us already are, but multiply that number by 20.
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I think psychiatrists must know this, but are reluctant to admit it. Demagogues rather than doctors.
A lot of people think it’s great now. But if asked how it works they would stammer out of ignorance or deceit.
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Coming off the cocktail of poisons helped me lose 40 pounds.
The only reason these folks have poor health is those damn treatments. My own health is permanently wrecked.
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Tsk tsk. How dare you “pill shame” Concerned Carer?
Shaming the victim–er–consumer for gaining weight on these toxins, having seizures, getting Parkinson’s and not benefiting is how psychiatry helps us. 😛
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My thoughts exactly Steve.
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Yes. I like the hagiography link you provided of the pious young man judged mentally ill by the Soviets.
Forgiving those who damaged my body and soul has proven necessary for my healing. Still not well enough to live independently.
No EC in my case. The 3-4 drugs over 20+ years was damaging enough. They did a great job deceiving me too.
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You’re not alone in your thinking Z. It really is a huge miscarriage of justice.
The “experts” are clueless and lack real insight into how human beings behave. The legal experts might have caught on if the shrinks weren’t deceived by your abusive ex and willing to pass the deception on.
Judges and lawyers need to learn not to believe anything these guys say. Mind reading and fortune telling is what psychiatrists actually claim to do. Psychics–not scientists.
The pre-crime division. IMO the rates of crime would plummet if psychiatry were banned and the legal system didn’t have these “experts” to give them consistently bad advice!
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I’m troubled by your implied endorsement of electro shocks Fr. John. They “work” by damaging the brain and (sometimes) destroying painful memories–along with things the victim wanted to remember.
I’m sure you don’t realize this though. I know psych nurses who don’t. (Got all their education from promotional videos of the ECT machine manufacturing company.)
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Long, slow, painful euthanasia. But yes.
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The “mental health” system reminds me of the novel A Wrinkle in Time. While visiting the planet Kamazotz the kids discover that they euthanize anyone who develops a head cold.
How psychiatry helps people upset and/or out of touch of reality by random brain damage ensuring they can never think straight again. 🙁
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What does DCF stand for Cat?
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I’m glad Cat.
At least she has a friend like you. Too bad it’s long distance.
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So sorry!
If you would like to e mail me offsite my address is lulivingnichols at gmail dot com. I don’t have all the answers, but I can tell you what keeps me from utter despair.
And I am not selling a product. Love can’t be sold because it’s priceless.
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I don’t know what’s behind your emotional pain LT. Mine stems from chronic loneliness, poverty, barrenness and the realization that nothing good will happen to me in this life. The idea that I need a disease to excuse my sorrows seems insulting to me.
I’m unhappy because my life sucks! No psych “diagnosis” necessary. And psychiatry is largely responsible for my failed life.
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I came to this conclusion after reading about Saddleback by Susan Cane. Quiet: the power of introverts in a world that won’t stop talking.
As a PK you could only form a whole bunch of “relationships” with folks you barely knew and couldn’t care about. I’m not a total introvert but I like depth to my relationships.
Living as a hermit now. Almost total isolation except for internet and phone. Go to church and pretend to love on total strangers who you know don’t care about you. Just as well. No one likes the real me. Had to play a role since I was a child. 😛
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Not calling Rick unloving, but I believe Matt had the “wrong” personality type. An introvert in a family of hyper extroverts. Very stressful.
Rick often said in sermons that all Christians should be 100% extroverted since Jesus was. (Jesus needed down time too. RW skipped over the parts where he went away to pray.)
Publicly embarrassing his son by calling him “mentally ill” in front of everyone may have played a role too. Loving after a fashion but devoid of gentleness, patience or empathy (trying to understand someone.) Being considered “MI” causes people to quit trying to understand your pain since it’s no longer supposed to make sense. Your tears just show your “meds” aren’t working and your “broken brain” is honking people off again.
Shut up and take your prozac! No one cares about you, nut job! See how NICE we are to crazies at Saddleback? 😀
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Psychiatrists believe only some biologically defective evolutionary throwbacks are “mentally ill.” These deserve whatever torments the shrinks throw at them. Total depravity of all humanity versus biological depravity of a select few. And the shrinks are all 100% sane–of course.
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Thank you Father John. I’m a Church of Christ Christian myself.
What you said echos my existential conflict with psychiatry. When I believed it was a proven fact I wondered how my faith could be true, since the blood of Jesus and the Holy Spirit were not sufficient to save me from my sinfulness without the pills. Now I realize it was all a lie.
The pills numbed my empathy, conscience, and impulse control while amplifying the voices of my inner demons. Off the stuff at last. Thank God I can pray again! I can feel love for those around me.
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I have gone low carb and grain free. For now the only sweets I consume are berries.
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Like you Stephen, I suffer from malnutrition–fat though I am. Have you tried building up your intestinal flora? I’m trying that now. Not sure how effective it will be. I’m sure I can’t undo decades of damage in one month.
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A lot of un-tenured academics are tutoring or running private courses online.
They do better financially than cobbling adjunct teaching jobs together. But they have to promote the heck out of it.
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“Assisted Outpatient Treatment.” Very euphemistic. 😛
Court ordered against your will.
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That was my next guess.
AOT stinks!
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My depression significantly lessened since coming off my “antidepressant.” But no shrink wants to hear stories like mine. My life is still not that great which makes my (somewhat) upbeat attitude more noteworthy.
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“DSM code.” I like that.
Psychiatry tries to categorize behaviors which are bad or self defeating or odd or simply ones they don’t happen to like into “diseases” like astrologers drawing lines between stars to come up with zodiac signs.
People are too complex to fit into the boxes shrinks try to stuff us into. The labels are worse than useless and do nothing to end the suffering. The only people these help are the shrinks in their endless quest for power and money making billing codes.
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And they quite likely will kill themselves anyhow. With psychiatry even if you “live” it’s not a good life!
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Actually psychiatry is the biggest cause of disability in developed countries. But I’m preaching to the choir here. 🙂
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“Dr. Rached” did not allow Bibles on her ward. She claimed there was too much religious mania, but no one else thought so. No one was calling himself Jesus or proclaiming prophetic messages at the time. Doc Rached was the jealous type who couldn’t share the spotlight with any other gods. Lol.
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Thanks Emmeline. Been noticing some glitches in the coding this week.
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Like Peter Breggin I started out wanting to teach English literature and write novels. He chose a career helping the psychiatrized. I “chose” a career as a “mental patient” unwittingly since I thought I was doing the responsible thing for myself and all around me.
There are fewer positions in academia now. I’ll see.
Today is one of the good days. Not hurting all over and coughing my head off. 🙂
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Maybe lithium helps take the edge off your emotional pain, Zmenard?
6 mg of stelazine helped quell my overwhelming anxiety as a college freshman. Unfortunately it killed my ability to feel joy and made me think the drugs actually helped to fix my brain. This had serious repercussions when I went requested help later and went bonkers on anafranil.
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Sera, a surprisingly large number of people commit suicide when locked up for it. I don’t have the information right now. I believe it can be found in the index of An Unquiet Mind by Kay Redfield Jamison.
If I had a suicidal friend I would keep an eye on her, call her, show her unconditional love and try to keep her spirits up. But you don’t find much love or hope in a psych ward. 🙁
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Medical records follow you everywhere. I could leave America…but….
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I did not notice that. I need to reread the article. 🙂
Krista, I refer you to the article recently published here by Eric Kuelker. “Why the ‘Psychological Injury Model’ Will Ultimately Triumph.” This explains how I–and many here–view the extreme states of mind/emotions psychiatrists refer to as “mental illnesses.”
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Zmenard your story is a great illustration of how psychiatry tends to side with the strong rather than the well behaved. Also why abused women should do what they can to avoid the Mental Illness System.
Your emotions are perfectly “normal” given your circumstances. Glad your shrink is one of the nice ones.
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Edith Wilson and other famous women mocked the suffragettes. They asked “Why do women want to vote?” Not all slaves wanted their freedom. (The Holocaust happened fast. Plus none of the Jews thought the Nazis were out to help them.)
In many respects the psychiatrized are like patronized women denied the status of adults or chattel slaves. Or even if freed African Americans were viewed as “childish” etc. for many generations.
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Getting “undiagnosed” makes it harder for them to pick us off. We become true citizens again–with due process and those other things the non-psyched take for granted.
Btw, a lot of ex-slaves still wanted freedom papers in the antebellum south. These came in handy when working on the Underground Railroad. Simply saying “Slavery is wrong,” wouldn’t help if the slavers had the legal right to capture a man and sell him as chattel again.
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Steve? I thought it was Krista. These comments are hard to figure out.
Organizing to fight psychiatry will be easier if we can come out of hiding.
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If I were accused of witchcraft in Salem–and convicted–merely saying women can’t fly around on broomsticks wouldn’t do the trick. I would need the conviction and witchcraft label overturned before returning to Salem. Until I have my “bipolar” label removed I will always live in some degree of fear and avoid doctors. I must live in the shadows and hide my past from all I meet.
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Not trying to insult you btw. Not your fault what many here have experienced.
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Harper West, I no longer see a counselor because I ceased to benefit. Plus they’re all linked to “mental health” and my Medicaid won’t cover.
Nevertheless I fully support psycho-therapy between consenting adults. Different from psychiatry. Szazs himself conducted sessions with adults.
Sometimes “therapy” turns to emotional abuse. Forcing someone to sit through verbal beatings and mind games can be eliminated by making it all voluntary.
In my MH center you were supposed to be able to leave a therapist at your discretion. Sadly this was just not true. 🙁
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Just because folks were trying to abolish slavery did not get rid of a need for the Underground Railroad OH. While the allies fought to win World War II people defied the Nazis to hide Jews and smuggle them out of occupied territory.
It’s easy to become so wrapped up in the Big Picture one overlooks the individual one could help right now.
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I follow a libertarian blog called “Economic Freedom.” Dan Mitchell, the blogger, has written a book called Cronyism. In it he decries the bribery and other dishonest tactics major corporations use to get Big Brother eating out of their hands. He doesn’t know much about psychiatry because he has never mentioned how the APA stays in power no matter how much damage they create.
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A lot of fast food places are being replaced by kiosks.
“Mental health” centers could easily be replaced by arcades of vending machines. Get a “diagnosis” and recommended drugs from an online app on the website owned by the franchise. Then hustle down to the center, swipe your Medicaid/insurance card and select the drug and dosage out of the proper machine. A week’s worth of drugs pop out in a box. Set for the week!
The APA wouldn’t like this of course. Machines lack the “human” touch. They’re not arrogant, spiteful or into sadism. 😀
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Psychiatrists are like drug lords or mob bosses. 🙂
You are free to consume Big Gino’s stuff as a client…or he will get 6 thugs to jump you, pound on you, and give you an overdose while you plead for mercy. That’s what happens to “clients” who say “No” to Big G. See?
Or you can escape like we did. Harder for some. I have not been in AOC. My reputation as a good consumer–with great “insight”–helped me conduct a low key escape.
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It is hard to reject “the concept and industry of psychiatry” if you are labeled a “hard” SMI and forced to endure AOC. Or even living in the twilight zone like I do–fearful to see a doctor for legitimate medical problems because of my ugly records.
I’m pretty sick after 25+ years on at least one “therapeutic” dose of a psych drug in my system. A cocktail for 22 years. Been drug free for 18 months, but my body is a wreck. I’m in chronic pain, tired all the time, and have breathing problems. And I’m pretty sad/angry at my wasted life. Sometimes I wonder why I escaped since it’s too late to do anything now. Too old to start over!
Look forward to your next post though.
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I’ll have to read it sometime Danzig.
Note to tech staff. The text seems to be set on permanent italics here.
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“Mental Hell Care.” Ha ha! That’s a good one Squash. 😀
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I prayed for a year that Tim Murphy would get kicked out of office. When it finally happened I thanked God with tears in my eyes!
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It’s a legal issue, OH. Without the “bipolar” label Krista no longer has to live in fear of being locked up without due process if she breaks her leg.
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About No. 1: Due to its associations with Silicon Valley, “spectrum” sounds nice and scientific. Wrong branch of science–since these people CLAIM to be experts on neuro-chemistry–not airwaves. But it sure sounds impressively scientific.
N. 3: It’s not about the “patient.” It never was. A psychiatrist helps his “patients” the way an exterminator helps termites.
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Me too! 🙂
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Nice personal story Caleb.
Very touching. 🙂
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About domestic abuse…
There are plenty of online forums where well meaning, STUPID people encourage abused wives to not be afraid to seek out “mental help” for the “diseases” of anxiety and depression.
What frustrates me is the women running the forum mean well–but believe the “chemical imbalance” is an established fact proven by cutting edge medical science. They’re clueless about how a “mental diagnosis” will harm those who seek to leave or divorce an abuser.
Wish I could get them to read Paula Capplan. But that would be more of a mental challenge than watching a Zoloft commercial. They just don’t wanna!
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Yes. There’s some ER drama (can’t remember the title) where the resident psychiatrist is a kindly older man. Equal parts psych therapist, neurologist, and wizard.
Not a Peter Breggin type, since he never challenges the “truths” of the pseudo science. More like a Dr. House but with the bedside manner of Dr. Kildare. Few of the cases are actually “mentally ill” but have some mysterious malady–neurological or otherwise–he struggles to solve.
In real life few shrinks can diagnose a case of Lyme Disease or other legitimate disorders. Too busy inflicting fresh brain trauma in hopes it will somehow produce a cure.
Like the old cartoons of Tom and Jerry or The Flintstones where one good whack to the head causes amnesia or a bizarre character change–but gets fixed by a second whack. Psychiatry–the “science” of cartoons! 😀
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For what it’s worth OH, Dr. Kuelker puts the lie to the notion that the drugs actually fix something and correct any brain problems instead of creating new ones. Because of this I’m posting this article on Facebook to educate my friends and family who believe psych drugs are “safe and effective meds.”
My argument against the a priori assumption of Psychiatry: “If the problem is not in the brain it doesn’t exist.”
“If what you say is true that still does not justify random acts of brain damage on those you consider already impaired.”
Osteogenesis Imperfecta is undoubtedly a disorder of the human skeleton. But it does not justify taking a crow bar to the limbs of someone suffering from it.
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OW should be required reading for marketing majors too.
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“…you add to the mix the toxic notions about d.i.d. currently going on in this culture like the movie Switch and its sequel Mr. Glass….”
?????
What I actually said was: “DID is a psych label. So of course I reject it.”
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Not all hurts come from physical violence. 🙁
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KS I was trying to be charitable to Sam. I don’t know him offline. DID is a psych label, so of course I reject it.
The abuse probably happened before he met her. Sam says as much. Is he further abusing her? (Deliberately.)
I can’t say. It is odd she never comes here and he never quotes her or makes her seem like a real individual.
Innocent till proven guilty. Though of course I disagree with the DID label.
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Sam, assuming you have been telling us the truth–likely you have–if your wife is ashamed of her experiences perhaps she wants them hushed. Maybe you should respect her wishes and not go public unless/until she feels differently.
It is odd she is never here. I’m sure it’s trauma you had nothing to do with. But you yourself say she doesn’t like talking about her extreme states or psychiatric experiences.
My mom has agreed to keep quiet about my “diagnosis.” Bless her!
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I’m a grouch due to iatrogenic illness/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome linked to long term psych drug use.
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“The truth is rarely pure and never simple.” The Importance of Being Ernest
Oscar Wilde was a poet and playwright. He wouldn’t have made it as a copywriter. 😛
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Thanks to America’s ubiquitous drug ads, Big Pharma owns our television air waves. Even the content of doctor shows/crime dramas/sit coms is full of psychiatric “facts.” 😛
Though real shrinks would laugh at most since they know you don’t need hours of rigorous testing to “diagnose” someone. I actually saw this on a crime drama episode. A fictional shrink said this. The writers didn’t do their homework.
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The thing is they often “diagnose” people who commit grotesque, horrible murders as SMI. No known pathology for “mental illness” so they can label anyone.
Bizarre crimes are proof of “mental illness” since “mentally ill” usually refers to extreme behaviors. This would inflate the crime stats of the “mentally ill.”
Ted Bundy was “bipolar” just like the harmless eccentric Aunt Betty everybody loves. Different=bad. Ergo murders like Bundy committed are proof of his “mental illness” since most people don’t do what he did.
We don’t need “mental health experts” to label criminals like Bundy. The penal system can function well without them.
Law abiding Aunt Betty will be better off too!
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We survivors have been told to “stay in our place” a good deal. By very arrogant people who think they have the right to treat us like children, trained animals, or inanimate objects. To be spoken ABOUT and over. Never directly to.
Sick of having our voices overpowered and others speak on our behalf!
About us without us.
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Tom Jackson’s family THOUGHT his odd thoughts were better because he quit talking. Not always true! My mom thought a mega dose of Haldol helped me since I was too zoned out to complain semi coherently about my ruined life.
Still angry and devastated. But I can control my speech now. Glad I’ll be dead soon since my body’s a wreck. Left psychiatry too late. At 45 there’s nothing to salvage.
My life is just a big awful waste. Countless people like me had a lot to offer that no one wanted. They preferred to throw us away like worthless garbage!
Are you “healthy” Western Society? Are you “normal” to write people off–to segregate and lock up the innocent so we slowly die from cruel, pointless experiments?
I hate your “health”! I spit upon your “normality”! You deserve to die Western Civilization–for you have no pity on the weak and vulnerable.
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Gas chambers were more humane in some respects. As opposed to slowly poisoning a “mentally ill” person to death over 20-30 years. Way less lucrative making soap out of our body fat though, then billing tax payers for the $$$$$$ of “safe effective poisons” to kill us with.
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Hey Dr. Coleman. Are you one of those rogue psychiatrists like Dr. K., Breggin, and a couple other writers here?
The ones called “mentally ill” aren’t the people running NAMI, btw. It’s the “mama grizzlies.” Not all NAMI mothers!
But SOME are horrible women/men who enjoy the attention they get as the parent of a sick, crazy child in their thirties or forties–forced to live in their folks’ basement or an institution thanks to being too drugged up to work.
Then everyone can say, “What a brave woman you are Pamela! I hope Bobby appreciates how lucky a bipolar like him is to have a mother like you who cares about him–sick as he is.” Bobby looks embarrassed despite his “meds” and Pamela basks in the public approval–eating it up.
Are there any animal mothers known for eating their young? I have heard of cats doing this.
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Psychiatry is a “science” of insults. Do cardiologists show up on 48 Hours to bad mouth heart patients and call them a menace to society? Do endocrinologists tell the public how most crimes are committed by people with kidney or thyroid problems?
That’s why there’s no anti cardiology or anti endocrinology movement “Dr.” Torrey. 😛
High ranking, prominent shrinks do nothing but malign those they say they want to help in PSA’s. They can dish it out but they can’t take it.
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I see what you’re saying Bradford. I didn’t get it at first though.
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I listen to the station for its music. 🙂
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“Anti-science, flaky, bizarre, deviant…” You forgot “scientologist.” Hee hee. 😀
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Hi Altostrata. Glad to see you here at MIA. 🙂
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Aside from NPR, 95% of music on the radio is brain dead now. 😛
Maybe more.
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Lenora I agree unhappy people need better social support systems.
Sadly, while NAMI and other “mental health” organizations provide some social support they take away others. Once people find out you’re supposed to be “SMI” they quit talking to you, shun your company, and tell you only a “therapist” or fellow “bipolar” can understand someone like you.
My dorm mom in college found out about my label and told the other girls to quit talking to me. She said only professionals were equipped to do so.
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Yep.
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Congratulations on beating the MI System Karey!
I wish you well.
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Because most abusers are socially adept, poised, self confident, with good self esteem. They never seek “help” from shrinks for themselves. When they drag “crazy loved ones” before these self appointed moral judges–the shrink glances at the distressed, disheveled abuse victim versus the smooth talking, well-dressed, smiling villain and promptly sides with the villain.
To be fair most shrinks who do this don’t even KNOW they’re aiding abusers. Just shows what horrible judges of character these quacks are. And how incompetent they are at protecting society from violent crimes. (Worse than useless in that regard.)
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My guess is these elderly people are taking all that crap because they’re in nursing homes. Disgusting. Doping them into premature senility makes them easier to stuff into cramped rooms and corridors that reek of urine with minimal staff. Ageism is real enough.
I had a good friend in her eighties who needed a walker. Concerned she might fall again, her adult kids convinced her to move into a home. I visited her a week later and she was full of good spirits. Sharp as a tack.
A month later she couldn’t talk. She was fearful and incoherent. Something rotten was going on. Probably after a doctor visited. It’s not about helping the residents but keeping them quiet and easy to subdue or abuse. Kind of like “treating” those our society has written off as hopelessly crazy. 😛
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Lol.
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MLK fought racism. So what he stood FOR was not racism but universal love and getting along together instead of fighting and driving people away based on their skin tone.
Racism is indeed a “black and white” issue. Bigotry or prejudice are not. All racism is a form of bigotry. Not all bigotry is racism though.
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Psychiatry is based on the assumption that all strange behaviors (including some Christians would otherwise call sins) are proof of a brain disease. A priori.
Churches have subscribed to materialism. They no longer believe in human souls it seems. It may explain the drop in membership since there’s nothing real to save.
Rick Warren–psychiatry promoter–is into Moral Therapeutic Deism. He also believes in Quantum Mysticism. Like psychiatry this is a pseudo-science but less socially respectable.
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A lot of people join these groups out of desperation since they’ve been deceived and thoroughly believe they need psychiatry to survive or keep their loved ones from going totally insane.
I hate NAMI as a tool of psychiatry. But when I look at the people making up its membership I feel more sorrow and grief than anger. These individuals are precious, wonderful human beings but the lies they have been taught are what I hate. Without the lies of pharma psychiatry NAMI would not exist. Hardwired into their ideology.
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You can also leave NAMI.
I left NAMI myself. It was not much of a privilege to be one of their subhuman drug mascots. We were only allowed to say a few words at public functions–in praise of the drugs. (I always wondered why they didn’t make us better.)
About us without us. Seems all the NAMI chapters in my state are based upon the bio–control-force model.
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Actually it’s “mental illness” they want us all to swallow. 😛
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I have been so deeply depressed I caught physical diseases. My first bout of depression at seven and a half led to mono.
I couldn’t figure why I was depressed. Looking back it makes sense. I was reading at the 6th grade level, but forced to attend an SBD school for daydreaming since I learned too quickly. The SBD teacher got angry at me for not being dumb enough to fit in.
Prelude to my life as a career “mental patient.” 😛
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The point of view “Stevie” expressed was different. But not respectful. To Matt or those of us who cared about him.
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I struggle with executive function problems more than ever after 25 years of brain damage. Lately I’ve developed ME symptoms making me get exhausted easily.
But I keep my place cleaner now. Despite exhaustion, organizational problems, and sometimes cramping from head to foot. Know why?
I actually CARE again! Same with my social interactions. I care about how other people feel.
Remember the Care Bears (back in the 80’s) and the villain they dealt with? Dr. Cold-Heart who always tried to freeze kids’ emotions so they numbed out and didn’t give a rip about anything? A man well ahead of his time. Lol.
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Many actually CONSIDER it a physical illness but call it “mental” instead.
Not trying to be rude, Shaun. 🙂 Just trying to clarify the point OH and I are making.
My degree is in English. I’m a stickler for proper grammar and semantics. Words are important.
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Depression is real. I have experienced it. But it’s an extreme feeling, not a brain disease.
Churchill experienced this. So did Lincoln.
The cure? Figure out if my thyroid levels are normal. Eat better. Sleep and exercise. If there’s a non physical reason for the depression–fix the problem or learn to live with it.
My mom’s counselor helped her overcome depression by helping her figure out she was disappointed at never finishing college. Mom got her BS in education and became an elementary teacher. Depression solved!
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Opened up a discussion about use of Finnish Dialogue to cure “schizophrenia” with my parents. Both were incredulous. “How can you cure a brain disease by talking?”
I tried explaining this would make sense if the problem were not organic in nature. As a preacher, Dad rejects the materialist view of humanity. It’s still hard for him to accept since it runs contrary to the mainstream media narrative spanning both sides of the spectrum.
Mom argued the brains of the “mentally ill” look different from normal people’s. I cited Dr. Andreason’s paper about how the structural changes were directly linked to the “meds” used to sedate the people. Also pointed out the people in that 90’s documentary we watched would all be undergoing “treatment” as a matter of course since psychiatrists were doing the research.
(Leaving someone “treatment naive” was unethical. They might recover and show your “science” was a bunch of poppycock, depriving poor shrinks of needed income for yacht payments.)
Sad how Mom is letting her mind go in retirement. I blame the SSRI, but the 12-15 hours of TV she consumes daily is even more to blame.
The internet can be addictive too, but it can engage the mind more if properly used. It’s interactive in a way TV cannot be.
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If it’s a brain disease–as many still postulate–why isn’t it a PHYSICAL illness? The brain is a physical organ after all Shaun.
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I knew some nice individual psychiatrists. They were nice since I never questioned them and always did exactly as told. 😉
Nevertheless psychiatry is a fake science. As Szazs noted, a lot of kindly, well meaning doctors applied leeches and opened the veins of people with cholera over a hundred fifty years ago. Good intentions notwithstanding, people died from it.
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I found out recently that MLK suffered horrible depression all his life. Especially in his teens. At 12 or 13 he tried to kill himself.
He survived the fall and overcame his gloom to do great things.
Just think what would have happened if he’d had access to psychiatric “care”? The Civil Rights movement might never have gotten off the ground.
Btw, surprised no one here has mentioned the Violence Initiative which is rife with covert racism. But–since it’s disguised as medical help for poor youth–the psych bureaucrats get away with it. Check out Peter Breggins’s videos on this. Eugenics is alive and well thanks to psychiatry.
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Cronyism is the word.
Ban legal bribery under the guise of “contributions” by lobbyists!
No society where bribery is standard can provide equal justice for all its citizens.
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You and I think alike here, Cat.
Shocked my parents by “coming out” as a Libertarian. Less is more when t comes to government.
Legalize all drugs and we can end psychiatry altogether. Let “mentally ill” people pick their drugs off the shelf and buy them over the counter. That’s what they do in many Latin American counties like Uruguay.
Btw, I don’t even drink wine. Personally opposed to mind altering drugs. Once I found out that’s all psych drugs are I felt it was my moral duty to go off them.
But people have the right to make their own choices. Including bad ones.
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I generally say African American or Afro-American in public since it’s considered polite now.
I am white, but I admired MLK since reading about him at age 7. How he turned the other cheek and fought hatred with love and overcame evil with good.
He’s a great role model for all people dealing with injustice and senseless cruelties from the world around us.
If he were Roman Catholic he might have been canonized.
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You’ve heard of the site Depressionisreal.com?
We need one called Iatrogenicillnessisreal.com.
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9 out of 7 people reported feeling better on the awesome new antidepressant Zombify!
(Should Zombify lose it’s effectiveness there’s the new atypical antipsychotic Xacerbate!)
Here’s a commercial for Zombify. As put out by the pharmaceutical company Pfaker.
Before taking Zombify I was a 125 pound wife and mom trying to maintain the perfect work-life balance between family and my full time career in education. Very depressed.
Now, thanks to Zombify, I’m a 250 pound divorcee, barely able to get out of bed in the morning. I live on disability since even a part time job’s too exhausting. My husband won the custody battle when the judge found out about my bipolar 2 disorder. I have heart problems, diabetes, and cholesterol levels double what most women my age have.
I’m more depressed than ever and can’t stop thinking of ways to kill myself. But think how much worse I’d feel without this life-saving wonder medication.
Zombify changed my life! Let it change yours. 😀
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I love Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander.
A must read underground classic for thinking people. Ironically it didn’t sell very well because Mander refused to promote it on TV like Marie Winn did for The Plug-In Drug.
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What if a scientist uses a word that doesn’t mean anything? Like “mental illness.” If it’s a brain disease that would make it a PHYSICAL illness. In which case–there are already brain specialists. Neurologists. Psychiatrist means “soul doctor.” Pretty ironic.
Words matter.
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No CURE s the wrong word. But save lives/make you a great marriage partner/enjoy a career/and become a kind, caring, morally upright person. All by taking their magical pills.
They did the exact opposite for me. Have all the symptoms of Chronic Fatigue and live in poverty and isolation. I’m alive, but it’s not a good life. I owe it all to those lying monsters who drove me crazy, then sold me cocktails till I broke away. Too sick and old for it to help.
I wouldn’t need HUD or other hand outs if I hadn’t been crippled by those remorseless, cold-blooded drug dealers who pose as doctors. Never wanted to be a welfare case. Everyone in the MI System thinks living on subsistence hand outs is great. NO IT’S NOT!!!
Living in a garage now. No water or toilet. Keeping (somewhat) warm with a heater. Ugh!
I owe it all to psychiatry! 😛
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Dr. Quackenbush says your sense of humor is inflamed–probably from a bad infection of the imagination. The solution is putting you on an IV drip of snake oil immediately! 😀
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7 out of 10 survey results are made up on the spot. 😀
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Had a fellow patient wake me up one night asking to get in bed with me. (!!!) 😛
So groggy I couldn’t figure out what he wanted at first. When I did I popped out of bed and told a male staff member. Happily he believed me though the patient denied it.
The next day he apologized after his wife finished visiting him. I told him he was forgiven, but please not to try anything like that again!
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Shuan, what if the mania was CAUSED by the drugs?
I didn’t enjoy that at all. Dr. M told my mom Anafranil never had that effect on anyone. It terrified me, but all he did was threaten us and say, “Don’t you dare go off your medication.” 21 days of no sleep stinks.
Psychiatry creates more problems than it solves from what I see.
I turned to a deliverance minister to drive my voices away. It worked. The drugs just amplified them. The preacher treated me more respectfully than any shrink I’ve met. And he spent 8 hours working with me–for free.
Of course a deliverance wouldn’t work for agnostics or members of other religions. But psychiatry claims to cure everyone–even though it often makes folks worse. Especially long term.
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FWIW, we need fewer girls in the MI System. Not more boys.
This is an obvious ploy by the APA to drum up more “consumers” for the crap they aggressively hawk in a way that would make a used car salesman cringe.
Neurotoxins, adult kindergarten, and never-ending angst sessions they call “therapy.” NO ONE needs this stuff.
And they’re kids too. Convince the gullible mama that her son squirms in class, likes sports, and dislikes her smothering ways because he’s SMI and needs “treatment” before puberty and cha ching! Another cash cow for life.
Man am I angry!
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We need to agree to disagree as a society. Just because someone holds different opinions from me does not make him or her less of a human being.
I can be wrong and still be an okay person. Lol. 😉
Locking law abiding citizens up for “wrong opinions” sets the stage for a very oppressive totalitarian regime!
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Remember the good people and be sure to thank them. This helped boost my morale during my stays. (Never was involuntary–unless you count the fact that I was deceived into thinking I needed THEIR help.)
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How much TV do people watch in Finland? Seriously.
I believe all the mindless, passive viewing leads to isolation even if you’re around someone most of the day.
My retired mom–I’m forced to share a place due to poverty–screams at me for talking during the “important parts” of her show. All the parts are important and all the shows are her favorite. Has gotten irritated when Dad and I talked interrupting a skin cream commercial.
She’s not depressed though. Just doesn’t give a rip about anything or anyone not on the blasted screen. Quit reading and has no hobbies.
I stay in another room except for dinner. Even then Dad and I have to be quiet so she can hear the news. Has it on full blast though it’s making her deaf.
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Curses from the DSM book of incantations aka “diagnoses.” The magical potions are their SSRI’s, neuroleptics, and tranquilizers. The amulet of ultimate power would be the electroshock machine!
(BTW, the ancient religions frequently had mind altering drugs for religious ceremonies.)
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My brain is “different” too. I have a different way of thinking than many–causing it to form a different shape thanks to neuroplasticity. Starting a successful business before age 22 requires an atypical style of thinking. (Or more would do it.)
Trauma does cause brain damage as well as drugs. Years of drugging and shaming/segregation in the MI System can really mess anyone up. But it sounds like you’ve been keeping your brain active even while drugged Abrianna. 🙂 This helped me a lot, along with other survivors.
Remember you’re not alone. There are many worse off than either of us.
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Wish my first shrink had proposed psychedelic drugs. My parents would not have become so enamored with them. Mom wouldn’t have kept shrieking, “Rachel, shut up and take your LSD.”
See, fun drugs are naughty. If they make you feel lousy and the dealer wears a pretty white coat they’re good for you.
Fun=naughty drugs
Feeling like crap=life saving meds
Very strict home. No booze ever! Yet my folks wanted me to take mind altering drugs due to the faux respectability. Sigh.
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The reason patients cherish grandiose, unreal views of themselves is coping with a horrible reality. Escapism. Make reality better, show the person respect, treat them as an equal and they may return to consensus reality sans coercion.
And the shrinks have no scruples about lying to patients whenever convenient. I call BS on this hypocrisy. We know they’ll say anything to cram those XXXX neuro-toxins down a hapless consumed’s throat or stick them in the butt. Whatever. Long as they get paid.
Time to go sicken some people. Cha-ching!
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KS, I heartily agree. For the second class of victims though certain levels of abuse are standard “care” and therefore acceptable. They have less legal recourse because of this. Like children, the “MI” will not be believed so they make easy prey.
A lot of friends who think psychiatry is great still find horror stories of rape, physical blows, and theft believable. It stands to reason. These people are kindly but think “meds” work and chemical imbalances are scientifically proven facts. Can’t convince them to read anything to the contrary. 🙁
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Daycares have to be careful screening out pedophiles since they want to work there. Likewise heartless sadists thrive on settings like locked mental wards.
Unfortunately the brutality of the latter qualifies as “standard care” most often.
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The_Cat I’m a naturally vindictive person. Like you I thirst for justice and have revenge fantasies when it’s not immediate.
During my withdrawals from Effexor I was so sick I needed a nap every afternoon. I would call out to God quietly, reminding Him of His promises to avenge the poor, the weak and defenseless.
As I let go of my right to vengeance–asking merely for the damage they inflicted to end–my physical and emotional pain lessened. I survived another day by His grace.
He will hold the shrinks accountable even if no human court ever does. He laughs at their delusions of grandeur that make them play Him.
Remind them they are but men, oh God!
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Non physical ideas. The “mental illness” exists as an idea in the imagination of the shrink. Physician heal thyself!
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Psychiatry is rooted in eugenics. Not just racism (that part is underground now) but the idea that some people are of “Criminal Stock” and must be eliminated fro the gene pool and monitored for crimes they are sure to commit.
The concept of “mental illness” is not so much cognitive impairment as what could be called moral defects or bad habits. (According to shrinks’ bias of course.)
They see the “SMI” as born evil. The psychiatrist is the doctor of society rather than the individuals he “treats.” It’s not about helping THEM at all. They’re cancer he tries to remove from the body of society at large. They’re the roaches and he views himself as the exterminator.
Dirty Harry in a lab coat. “You’re the disease. I’m the cure. Do ya feel lucky punk?”
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Hmm. Are you a professional irridologist? If not, how dare you criticize that respectable branch of medicine?
Lol. 😀
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I felt my family and humanity hated me. But I couldn’t blame them.
I hated myself more.
Psychiatry turned me–as it has countless others–into a monster.
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Well said LT.
Labels are NOT love. 🙁
Love delights not in wrong doing
But rejoices with the truth.
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Our “No Child Left Undrugged” policy. 😛
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I think it’s because American MI specialists only see it as a supplement to their safe, effective poisons.
Trust it to American medical bureaucrats to ruin a thing. 😛
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The Mental Illness System strongly encouraged us to do nothing but sit in front of the tube and drool between visits to the center. (As well as cook, clean apt, sleep.) They only expected us to talk to each other.
Excessive TV is known to cause depression and cognitive decline. Yet they think 16 hours a day is good for you and keep it on nonstop in psych wards for some reason.
When I volunteered at the Humane Society, read books, went to community plays and art galleries all the Center’s workers were surprised. A few were gratified. Many seemed displeased that I “didn’t know my place.”
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But if they were drug free they might get well and quit consuming services Oldhead. 😛
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Revolving door nuthouse.
Know how I helped myself get over depression, quit sleeping 12 hours a day, maintain ADL’s, get along better socially and lose over 40 pounds Jessica?
I disobeyed all my shrink’s orders. Quit “day treatment,” “therapy,” and tapered off my highly addictive brain drugs he said I’d die without. Been off them for almost a year and a half. My heart arrhythmia s gone. Is that a danger sign? Lol.
I’m naming this the Charlotte Perkins Therapy. Ever read “The Yellow Wall-Paper”? That’s how she got better. Disobeying her quack’s dangerous orders. 🙂
“Time to go heal people” indeed! “Time to go sicken people” is more accurate.
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Yes. Psychiatric treatment is gas lighting at its finest.
If you aren’t crazy when you go in, don’t worry. You will be.
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Devil’s advocate here.
Our opponents would say “Mental illness is actually a brain disease and these drugs have been proven highly effective in treating the symptoms though we don’t know why yet.”
A priori.
Of course there is the semantic problem that brain diseases are physical in nature–not mental–that RoboHugs and other “consumer” sites can’t seem to GET. But you see my point.
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They spend a lot of money crippling people (and keeping them unemployed!) 😛
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The first step to ending psychiatric abuse is obvious. Lobbying must die.
Just say not to cronyism!
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Yes. We’re opposed to an evil institution.
Not Snidely Whiplash style villains.
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“Whatever else I personally think of modern psychiatry, what I truly believe is we still know very little about the mind/brain complex and need more unbiased research, full stop.”
Well said!
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Luv ya Cat. But calling those who’re still shell shocked “snowflakes” is not helping matters.
We need to deal with one another kindly and gently here.
Abrianna had NO idea she was hurting people’s feelings. Please remember this. Her words hurt many, but it’s like someone who accidentally sticks their foot out too far and causes you to fall. As opposed to deliberately tripping people.
To Abrianna, I hope you’ll forgive us for judging you unfairly. You had no idea how people here feel about psych labels. Particularly the “personality disorders” can of worms. My biggest problem is it’s horrible to write anyone off as hopeless and irredeemable. No human can read minds or see the future. But when people assign personality disorders that’s what they’re pretending to do. Sometimes these become vicious self fulfilling prophecies, making reformation more difficult than ever.
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That is true OH. But we must be just and not make our opponents out to be nastier than they are. Most are ignorant of the damage they do and actually think they’re helping people. (Those in the “Inner Circle”–presidents and high ranking APA officials, shrinks turned bureaucrats, famous pro bio-bio-bio model writers–are another matter.)
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Lol. Writing a Twilight Zone type flash fiction about a shrink who would qualify as a sociopath. But no one’s brave enough to tell him.
Over the top villain. But hey–it’s a creepy pasta after all.
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Watch their behaviors. See if they have committed violent crimes in the past. If they’re “acting out” or threatening others take action.
Not locking up people at all would be the best
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I fled an abusive guy myself. Didn’t need a shrink to “diagnose” him either. I just checked his zodiac sign and realized he did horrible things because of the Sign he was born under. Lol. 😉
I also read his fortune cookie and it said, “You will hurt the people you love.”
Using the exact sciences of fortune cookies and astrology I realized he was abusive. Couldn’t have figured it out by watching the way he kicked puppies. I needed science to help me out.
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Sam, MIA’s editors should reevaluate their guidelines and notify writers of how others will respond to certain topics.
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No one says such things.
Where has anyone here said “Everything s sunshine and lollipops”? Or “Cruel, violent folks have the right to hurt others”?
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I know it was unintentional but please understand you have hurt them also.
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It’s not about DRUG ADDICTS!. SMH. 🙁
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My sister’s disability–skeletal deformities–have required numerous, painful surgeries. While she has a high pain threshold and has done a lot with her life she makes a lousy nurse if you’re sick or in pain. Maybe Cat’s boot-strap philosophy helps him maintain a positive outlook, but renders him less sensitive to others than he should be.
Glad Cat’s not hurt by the talk about “personality disorders.” I’m not myself–exactly. But I understand why others are. That seems to be a hot button topic for this site. Hope the editors take note of this.
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I don’t consider psychiatry or drug addiction good as institutions.
As far as individuals–I try to look for the good in others. Most of the shrinks I have known strike me as good natured but detached. If you went along with everything they said, and didn’t ask questions they were pretty nice. Only one was truly evil, and her patients had no defense against her abuse.
But even if they mean well the treatments still have done many grave harm.
In the old days they used to treat cholera patients with blood letting.
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It happens often enough however. I got my own delightful BPD label from a case worker, btw. Not supposed to be that way. She thought my desires for emotional connection and monogamy were unhealthy, swinger that she was. 😛
Have you ever asked yourself how labeling someone BPD or a narcissist will help them? Or even the victims of abuse–if they’re abusive.
I had a wonderful friend named Gladys who refused to leave her cruel, abusive husband. Why? He had been “diagnosed” “bipolar.” Gladys felt it would be cruel to leave the “poor, sick” man. Countless folks also labeled SMI begged her to consider his abusive behavior. Not his “mental illness.”
“Bipolar” was irrelevant. Kenny was cruel, selfish, and bad tempered. In Gladys’s case her kind heart combined with pseudo-scientific lies was her undoing.
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Years on drugs have ruined my chances at health and independence. But you’re still young.
If you want to change the system devise an escape plan.
Harriet Tubman’s first step in her personal war on slavery was escaping the plantation.
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Ugh! This kind of thing needs to stop.
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The only difference between a “personality disordered” person and anyone else is a shrink (or messed up case worker with a BS in PE) labeled them for any reason whatever. Didn’t like their attitude/voice/hairstyle/labeler going through a divorce or not enough protein for breakfast.
Why not just say, “My roommate was violent and bullied me?” For crying out loud.
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She was violent. They were wrong to force you to share a room with her.
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Most of us here have in fact. Not as bad as the kind you were in necessarily.
They should protect the harmless from the violent. But why lock up anyone who is harmless?
If someone is a menace to others there are jails and prisons. I try to stay as far away from anything related to “mental health” as possible.
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KS never denied abuse between prisoners. I was threatened by violent men in a halfway house myself.
But I judge people on the content of their character. Not some bogus, arbitrary insult by a demagogue/quack.
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Do you realize you said “personality disorders” instead of “people having personality disorders”?
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Women don’t all love romance novels either. I only watch Hallmark specials for yuks.
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Yes Survivingthesystem.
See your shrink to adjust your poisons every 3 months. (Always upping the dose. Never lowering it.)
Go to Preschool for Grown-Ups (AKA day treatment or clubhouse) 3 times a week for lectures on how messed up you are and how you BETTER TAKE your “MEDS.”
Once or twice a month a fruitless visit with a therapist. Some want to help and get frustrated. Telling folks how broken and hopeless they are and filling them with neurotoxins.
But the psycho-therapist is a tool of the system. Questioning orders can get you fired. Better yell at the consumed for not trying hard enough–if you know they’re poison compliant.
Like asking someone to run laps with a ball and chain under the belief these devices help them walk upright. Stupid stuff!
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Been wondering if non-certified folks outside the MI System could learn these techniques and use them. You don’t NEED a PhD in psychology or MSW to listen or show compassion.
(Of course you can’t enroll as a student I realize.)
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Not enough $$$$$$ generated by Open Dialogue. That’s all mainstream Psychiatry cares about.
Plus why do they want folks to become happy, productive non-consumers?
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Yes, OH. I agree the editors are the ones at fault here.
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CV, I’m confused.
Are you debating those who conducted this survey or the MIA authors who are criticizing it? (Those who conducted the original survey are probably not reading this.)
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Why don’t you simply call them violent or abusive Abrianna? Isn’t that the whole point? How they bullied you and others?
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“Forcible rehabs.” Good point there.
Stupid and pointless. I have visited open AA meetings with a friend (and was a member of another 12 step program once) The man leading the group grumbled afterward to me about judges forcing people to attend these meetings as punishment for DUI’s.
“Waste of their time and ours!” he said.
You can’t force someone to become a better person against their will.
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There is a lot of polarization in America today.
MIA spans both sides of the political spectrum though. Especially those of us opposed to psychiatry.
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Tried to help people see eye to eye and failed it seems.
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Agreed!
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Its NOT a silly overreaction. But the horrible stigma came from a shrink. Not the writer.
Those labels are spurious and stupid. I got mine for thinking of suicide after a man I loved dumped me for no known reason. (And my mom had been telling me for years I was unlovable and no man would want a bipolar/schizo/fatty like me.) Didn’t get mine from a shrink either, but a case manager with a BS in phys ed who fit the “type” way better than I ever did.
I hate break ups but they quit making me suicidal some time ago. The label lasts though. Believe me, I empathize with you. Your anger and pain are legitimate.
I only ask you to remember Abrianna did not label you. Some quack playing god did.
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It is an insult. But not intentional. Consider it a stray bullet.
Abrianna doesn’t know any better and believes in her own label. Takes time for people to come around. Plus she doesn’t know any of us from Adam. You know you’re not whatever the shrinks called you. So do I and the majority of others here.
Weird how I no longer act “bipolar 2” and no one knows I am supposed to be that way. But when I read articles or see crap on TV about “mental health issues” my heart races and my stomach churns.
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Sorry you went through all that. Hope your nightmare ends pretty soon.
There are a few online resources if you choose to go off your drugs. But now may not be a good time for you. Your decision.
SurvivingAntidepressants.com
Innercompass.com
Mindfreedom.org
Also a class on tapering has been offered here at MIA not too long ago.
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Or maybe the harmless vs the violent? 🙂
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Great point Cat!
Weird how I don’t have such an automatic knee jerk reaction when I hear the term “bipolar killer” on TV. I used to–especially when I believed it applied to me.
But it still scares me people will discover my painful past.
Takes time to emotionally distance yourself I think.
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Cat, I believe KS acknowledges there are plenty of horrible characters in psych wards. I have met my share. Many of those opted for “treatment” over a legitimate prison.
My problem–and perhaps KS’s problem–is legitimizing these labels.
The author meant no harm however. She’s a newcomer and doesn’t understand why people are upset.
I respectfully disagree, but I’m not angry myself.
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Abrianna I really want to hear the backstory. What led to your suicidal meltdown? That didn’t come out of nowhere.
Could you sum it up in comment form? It really deserves an essay of its own.
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Well said!
Get out of the system, Abrianna. For the sake of your career, health, marriage, and sanity. Their chief goal is to keep you insane.
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Abrianna I agree that if they’re going to lock people up they should at least separate the violent from the peaceful. Even the prison systems do this. Not all “psychotic” people are violent. I never was–just very frightened.
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Would be better to call them nasty, violent people. “Personality disorders” are just labels to ensure “patients” they dislike get treated worse.
Please focus on the bad behaviors. Not the bogus labels. Shrinks are notoriously poor judges of character. 🙂
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Who said Breggin was a liar or Szazs cold blooded? Truth and love are actually conjoined twins who’ll die if taken apart. They just emphasize one more than the other.
Szazs has written some witty stuff on par with Mark Twain. Not a sci fi space alien or android! And the favorite butt of his wit were the quacks who loved to deceive people at the expense of others’ liberty, well-being and life itself.
Breggin spoke the truth when it got him into trouble. Wish I had read Toxic Psychiatry the year it came out. It could have saved me years of heart ache and misery.
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You said it CC!
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Love AND truth. Breggin is one side of the coin; Szazs is the other. 🙂
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Probably why Finnish Dialogue Therapy is so effective, Shaun.
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John Christine could you write a personal experience essay for MIA? Sounds like you have a gripping story. One that would resonate with many of us.
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I’m in favor of restrictions on pharmaceutical crimes. But as long as government officials stand to benefit there will be none. The FDA has proven worse than useless in the recent ECT hearings.
Get rid of Big Pharma lobbyists AND lying commercials. Not an either/or proposition. Though ending legal bribes will probably lead to the latter. Crooks aren’t into evil for evil’s sake the way altruists are into goodness for goodness’s sake.
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If she did go drug free it would probably end her position as a peer specialist and might get her involuntarily committed. So–if she chooses to leave–she will probably not announce it in that kind of setting.
Surprised they allowed you to make this presentation. But the low-key method you used helped. Congratulations on using the term “drugs.” They aren’t medicines the way insulin, thyroxin, or antibiotics are. The first two are to be taken long term but replace real deficiencies in the body. Antibiotics are only prescribed short term.
Zoloft replaces nothing, kills nothing known to be harmful, yet is prescribed for a lifetime. It’s destroying my 12 year old nephew’s brain. 🙁
For me, just going off my drugs wasn’t enough. Had to leave the “mental health” setting. Being told how sick, helpless, hopeless, and dependent you are–day after day–year after year–can be depressing.
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Not necessarily harm them. Just turn them into helpless drug addicts good for nothing but Consuming psych drugs till they die 30 years prematurely.
Most shrinks aren’t Snidely Whiplash types, but they just prefer their prestigious, cushy jobs to acknowledging, “Hey these drugs–the only thing I can actually do is prescribe them–are harming patients. Making many crazier than they ever were to start with. Causing all of them horrible, scary health problems, brain shrinkage, and nerve damage. Diminished quality AND quantity of life. Why am I even here?”
(All bets are off for the high ranking creepers on the Inner Circle. You know. The “well informed” ones.)
Once you let yourself ask this question you’re faced with the ugly task of leaving the field for training in a different specialty where lawsuits can occur or talk therapy that pays 1/4 or less what filling out a dozen prescriptions for 4 patients in one hour would. Your pesky conscience may turn you into a whistle blower. If their’s one thing psychiatry hates more than those it “helps” it’s a conscience.
Yet Psychiatry says it’s guarding society from sociopaths and psychopaths. Ha ha.
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Come to think of it–it’s not so much passivity as conformity required of girls. The two are evil twins though.
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Surprised this was published on MIA. It reads like an article from NAMI or Psychology Today.
Who says “boys need more help because they won’t accept passive roles and ask for quarts of happy pills to smile ALL the time?”
More like “Why do girls accept passive roles for mental illness promoters and ask for/take quarts of happy pills to smile 100% of the time?” That’s the real problem
Saw an article on Xojane explaining how happy the writer was for her “depression diagnosis.” Somehow she felt guilty for not being HAPPY 100% of the time and not grinning like the Cheshire cat 24/7. Why was she ashamed of a simple feeling? Like being unhappy was a crime or something?
She admitted the SSRI’s didn’t help all the time. But she seemed to see the “diagnosis” as a note from her doctor. “Please excuse Jane from smiling all day today. She has depression–a real honest-to-gosh BRAIN DISEASE. She has the right to look unhappy now and then.”
Why is this a thing? Why this sadness shaming?
If Jane is sad all the time and wants to feel better that’s one thing. But why does she have to fake exuberance and joy? That may be causing her depression. Partly caused mine.
I was thoughtful, pensive, and occasionally melancholy as a young girl. Not only was this seen as NOT GOOD, but this led to bullying in high school/social phobia/then full blown depression.
The teachers/counselors didn’t do much to teach me social self defense or emotional resilience. Just “self esteem affirmations” I couldn’t believe. Then drugs. Always my “problem” for not fitting in. Like they want us all to be vapid, shallow morons.
Be yourself. As long as you’re “mentally healthy” like everyone else. 😛
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Psychiatry was a strong right arm of the Soviet Union.
Smaller government is the answer. Not a bigger totalitarian state which would only appropriate psychiatry for the new regime.
If we got rid of the FDA and abolished cronyism and bribery (lobbying) Big Pharma would lose its legal clout and the government would lose the incentive to push travesties like the “Cures Act” through.
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This is good. In middle school a nasty boy kept calling me ugly and hid his face pointedly whenever I entered. One day I said, “Thank you for sparing me the sight of your face Chad.” He quit trying that!
Do you think teaching victims of bullying to do stand up comedy instead of karate might be a good idea?
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Thanks Sam. I have read these comments from you before and appreciate you are not speaking OVER your wife. Most SO’s who do are not on this site.
Every now and then a controlling (possibly abusive) relative does show up. Like that one woman who censored her adult daughter’s reading material–wouldn’t let her online without watching over her shoulder it seems–and said she didn’t care if the “meds” killed her daughter in her forties or fifties. Ick!
Most of us know you aren’t anything like “Kate.” Glad for your wife and you as well. Most “Kates” are very unhappy people. No wonder their SO’s are so crazy to start with.
My own parents played a more ambiguous role in my psychiatrization. Most do. Other SO’s know the loved ones are being hurt, losing all ability to function but can’t stop it.
I know you’re not a “Kate.” Many others do too. But I hope you’ll be charitable and patient to those whose suffering makes them uncharitable and impatient with kindly SO’s like you who only want to love and heal.
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Maybe show the kids kindness and compassion instead of brain damage and torture…but that would be just plain nutty.
As Breggin points out in an article from years back, if they were doing this as a form of punishment for actual crimes committed, a bunch of human rights groups would be breathing down their necks but torturing/crippling/killing (through negligence) the innocent are all acceptable. They’re only “treating” “useless eaters” and “defectives” after all.
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And how can they determine numbers of stuff that might have been so but isn’t?
Great science fiction. But don’t confuse the figures pulled out of thin air with science.
If people read these statistics and know the “chemical imbalance” myth is BS I guess that’s informed consent. If they want to try anyhow they must be desperate and at least they have all the facts.
Like most survivors here I was lied to.
A positive and more accurate word for these drugs is “emotional pain killers.”
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In my case the cocktail prevented me from working. 90% of “med compliant” people can’t maintain gainful employment. As far as the woman you cited Craig, it may be the placebo effect. If she suddenly quit her neuroleptic she probably would suffer withdrawals. And as a peer support specialist being “naughty” would definitely lead to her getting fired. Not just that her “meds” are working but she needs to toe the line.
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“Comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.”
Psychiatry is about comforting the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted. The perfect “science” for grown-up bullies who loved to name call on the playground and torture the weak. Just like the names bullies gave their victims stuck through school the “diagnostic” insults last through life.
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