A Working Brain computer interface for the paralyzed was on 60 minutes tonight March 26, 2023.
Ugly and bulky as F though . And they did tell the body-brain tends to cover the contact points in a year or two.
The FDA has approved brain interfaces for (DBS) Parkinson’s, and cochlear implants (year 1990), so I would say one branch of the FDA doesn’t know what an other branch is doing?
“The FDA approves VIM-DBS for essential tremor and severe tremor in PD.”year 1996
“The FDA expands indications for DBS, approving its use in the subthalamic nucleus and globus pallidus” year 2001″
Elon Musk should say he is working on improving Parkinson’s, and cochlear implants, and “accidentally” find other uses.
without corporal punishment all they have is magical psychiatric medicines to control the elderly who are not obeying orders.
See “over-medicating of seniors in long-term care facilities”.
or “Thousands of patients with dementia in nursing facilities are being overmedicated with psychotropic drugs,”
Bruce Levine says by the pharmaceutic industry numbers alone a certain percentage of the population will go crazy from psychiatry drugs-medicine effects on the brain.
So from day to day we will have dramatic episodes on the news of people losing their minds.
On the slow news we have people who do not have the will or discipline to keep their homes clean (called hoarders), and in both cases the general public calls for MORE psychiatry and their magical medicine to make “bad” people “good”.
IMO the (real) doctors have to tell the psychiatric medicine are just drugs, and people need a fully working brain to think and act correctly. (There is no magic pill.)
Act correctly with discipline, patience, sobriety, kindness, and other good things that an un-drugged brain might chose to do. A drugged brain will have difficulty acting disciplined (cleaning / personal hygiene), being patient, and being kind.
If you want to go to Evil, some evil people want those down and out, to stay down and out (on drugs called medicine) so not to challenge their authority. Those with the gold rule, so maybe without corporal punishment all they have is magical psychiatric medicines to control the (unruly) poor.
You wrote “we do not have a right to die”
We do so have a right to die.
What depends is how fast the suicide is. A slow suicide IS allowed, while a quick one is not.
Slow suicide.
You can eat yourself to overweight and if you have someone to feed you keep eating. Right to keep eating
Drink (alcohol) to excess and keep going. Right to keep drinking
Smoke to excess and keep smoking. Right to keep smoking.
If a person makes a (credible) threat to kill someone, what happens?
from internet….
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What Is a Criminal Threat?
A criminal threat involves one person threatening someone else with physical harm or death. To be convicted, the prosecution must prove:
the defendant communicated a threat of harm to another
the defendant intended that the communication be taken as a threat, and
the threat was credible and specific so as to place a person in fear of harm.
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So threatening to kill oneself has similar consequences and should first go through the legal system to establish the facts of the case.
A person can’t be free to threaten others or threaten to kill themselves without serious consequence.
This is in conflict with the “please talk about your feelings” advice on thinking suicidal. It puts the person who hears the threat in a difficult position.
Do the crime , do the time. Thinking suicidal should be put back in the closet, no sane being would consider it. Do any animals commit suicide?
I also enjoy this song and it reminds me of the artist
John Lennon’s quote ” Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I’m liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That’s what’s insane about it.”
“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”
“How do you know I’m mad?” said Alice.
“You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here.”
― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
Do big brained animals know they are going to die one day? How do they handle that information?
Everything we do will turn into dirt/burn/dissolve shortly after we are dead.
The only thing we can leave behind ( in the stream of time) are our children, and I have no children.
What is crazy? “It’s not crazy if it works!”
So take that, if someone/something is working, it is not crazy.
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What is stupid? “It’s not stupid if it works!”
So take that, if someone/something is working, it is not stupid.
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic.” ~ Thomas Szasz, M.D.
Steve wrote “It is baffling to me that they continue to get away with it.”
Pastor Martin Niemöller
“Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables” The second group written in Niemöller’s source text.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians – “should I be my brother’s keeper?” Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. – I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it’s right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn’t it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]? — Only then did the church as such take note. Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren’t guilty/responsible? The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland, that were written in the newspapers. … I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa!
We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out.
There used to be walls on every city to keep the barbarians out.
Today there are no walls.
Everyone must follow orders. The barbarians are inside the city.
This person hears ideas? He/she might not follow orders.
Twelve Monkeys film in my head.
James Cole:
“So now it’s not about the virus at all. It’s about following orders, doing what you’re told.”
I have had “psychotic” delusions, but all is not black and white, you might not be entirely wrong…. or right.
Only when psychotic does a person have certainty. Any educated intelligent person has room in their mind for doubt.
That is the (my) fun and thrill of psychosis , full certainty of truth, of being right.
The delusion of that one is in a reality like the Truman Show movie, is not black and white.
The famous director Alfred Hitchcock said “What is drama, after all, but life with the dull bits cut out.”
Day by day we are producing our own film in our minds. No boring parts? That is a good film.
If you take/make dangerous decisions because you believe you ARE in a film (with no consequences), yes that is ???? stupid maybe?
Psychiatry destroys BOTH male and female, I don’t know why you think male patients do any better than female. That they JUST destroy the female patients is bull.
So there goes your misogyny, if they hate males just as well as female?
I would say psychiatry is a matriarchy not a patriarchy for they do not put people in prison but in a hospital. People are not guilty or responsible for their actions (something a mother would say) because they do not know any better and are not in their right mind.
“The insanity defense, also known as the mental disorder defense, is an affirmative defense by excuse in a criminal case, arguing that the defendant is not responsible for their actions due to an episodic or persistent psychiatric disease at the time of the criminal act.” While a patriarchy would put someone in prison and call it a prison.
“that you can only access welfare if you’ll take a psychiatric diagnosis and take the medication.”
in psychiatry people get help with psychiatry medicine, they’re not controlled or coerced with (no visible violence) poisons.<matriarchy
"He whips out his prescription pad, and he writes out a prescription for Prozac."
It is about selling legal drugs as "medicine" to a willing public. (on the voluntary side of psychiatry)
in the article
“Haldol was supplanted by a new generation of ‘antipsychotics,’ though it remains a drug of choice in emergency rooms”
I used to read the thoughts of emergency room workers on the blog world, and they believe you can NOT give an overdose of Haldol, as no science has reported it to them as being possible. While anecdotally you can read of them giving uncooperative prisoner/patients dose after dose. If the patient dies, they blame it on the patients illegal drug use. Was it the illegal drug? No one will ever know.
You can not write your argument for “feeling suicidal” coherently . First there is a feeling which we both agree. Second is the action. If feeling hungry you can find/ make some food. If feeling thirsty you can find and drink some water. You can not feel the future action of “finding/making some food” you can not feel the future action of “finding/drinking some water” . There IS a step between a feeling and an action.
Sorry I do not believe feelings can be suicidal. Suicide is an complex action. You are misnaming a feeling.
Some feelings are hunger and tired and thirsty. There are possible actions to take if you feel hungry, tired or thirsty.
To say you or other people are feeling suicidal is a lie and a mistake that makes people think there is no way out.
If you listen carefully to professionals talk/write about suicide, they know this truth and say “if you are thinking suicidal” not feeling.
I’m not catholic but I believe the priests can forgive your mistakes or sins (some times you can bribe them with money in the case of a divorce), while psychiatry writes your mistakes or sins down on paper, never to be forgotten. Humans did not have cheap paper until mass production so I don’t know if the Catholic church would have used this device given the chance. In psychiatry Sins/mistakes are forgiven if you take/worship the holy molecules of science, but they are still written down and you may sin again just like you did in the past. Look its written down, so its proof. Squiggly black marks on a white substance…What isn’t fallible?
If you know anything about the metal lead, you know millions have been poisoned by leaded gasoline. So it would have been interesting to know if anyone had the information of the blood lead levels in all these children. As if you have lead in you, your brain, it reduces your intelligence.
Toxic legacy of leaded gasoline https://youtu.be/YmJLPuNFjmA
I don’t understand why so many people use the word “medications” when it is just drugs. Please write the word “psychiatric “, if you are going to write medications. “Psychiatric medications” to be specific because they are not medicines in the traditional penicillin and insulin kind of medicine.
Drugs vs medicine
Whats the correct dose? arbitrary with no measurement tools.
When does it end? never, with no measurement tools.
Do not throw all brain imaging out, as some can prove brain damage and the worsening of brain function. (From WHAT?) Autopsy can prove brain changes to the dopamine transmit-receive functions.
A worsening of brain function would likely mean a stupider “patient” which is the opposite of what the psychiatrist claims they want.
The psychiatrist claims they want the patient to have an insight into their illness.
Found one video of Szasz “Albert Ellis and Thomas Szasz Debate Mental Illness: Primal Scream Therapy” https://youtu.be/l4AwFIVsPE8?t=73
Freedom to worship what you want to worship, but most everyone , lawyers and judges believe the psychiatric drugs are in FACT, medicines.
I blame all the other legitimate (physical science) doctors who go along with psychiatry, but many doctors have severe sadness themselves and seek/take the magical pills of psychiatry.
The planets destruction by the hands of mankind will sort it out one day.
I second this comment that psychiatry is a religion. Thomas Szasz has said as much if you read between the lines of the writings. Why Szasz did not like “antipsychiatry” the same way you can be anti-christian or anti-jewish. People can choose to worship the holy molecules of psychiatry or not.
Informed consent starts with facts like the brain uses 0.000001 volts and they administer up to 400 volts to get a seizure. The professionals call the voltage small and get away with the lie. Why do other professionals not call them on the lie of small?
We live in different universes.
In my prison for the last twenty years or so they have had drugs that melt on contact with the patients tongue and saliva , so you can not cheek them. Before the newer delivery system they would put the drugs in a drink in the size of a small shot glass, with a liquid drink so the “patient” could not cheek the drug.
And the food was never drugged because one patient could give their food to another patient, or the food could be taken/stolen by another patient.
The only antidote to the drugs I know of is water. Drinking huge amounts of water. An action/behaviour which they also have named a mental illness.
The water fountain only gave out a tiny trickle of water and was useless and disgusting. The number one thing you need is a container that can hold a large amount of water, so you know how much you have drunk. You do not want to over consume water, you can die from that as well.
In this thread the comment “The Control Drug Fluphenazine killed (kills) more ‘Psychiatric Patients’ than Hitler” is disputed by Joanna Badura.
The increased mortality rate/shorter life of the mentally ill is known and yet is ignored, does back this claim up.
The math of millions of people on the drugs (all psychiatric drugs) does prove that the slow euthanasia has a higher death toll(total) than the five years of Hitlers rule. There was a YouTube video of professionals discussing the math of millions killed, but I can’t find it at the moment. (and this comment might not be printed if I put the link in.)
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic.” Szasz.
Billion dollars a year are being made by Pharma company and the deaths are written off as natural causes, because both doctors prescribe the drugs and doctors analyze the cause of deaths.
Planned VS unplanned doesn’t matter does it?
The planet warming too fast for species to cope and world ecosystem failing will shortly bring an end to the matter.
On YouTube there are some videos on the the anatomy of the brain and a few point out where “schizophrenia” is located in the brain. The neurologist doctors do not respond to comments, and continue teaching falsehoods.
Besides brain damage from a voltage thousands of times of what a “normal” brain runs on.
The heart can stop from ECT.
Imagine you as a doctor want to administer medicine after the heart stops, how will it travel through the body? The medicine can not leave the site you injected it into, such as the arm because there is no pulse.
Google “asystole in ECT”, they treat it like it is nothing. “In all, 65.8% of patients experienced asystole at some time during their course of ECT. “
The reporter wrote
“Perhaps I’m looking at this wrong. Maybe the anguished screams that once rang through these buildings will be exorcized by the delighted shrieks of Halloween revelers. Maybe the joy and laughter will wipe the walls clean of the agony that still clings to them.
But as someone who heard the screams when they were real, I just can’t get there. ”
The patients had the luxury of screaming? They were lucky to be able and allowed to scream in my opinion/experience.
It is far worse to be not allowed or to be unable to scream by the psychiatric “medications” that make the observer happy. What crime did I commit again? (to deserve such treatment) There was a trial?
A psychiatrist saying “You will get sick again.” ( you need me because you need legal drugs)
Is like saying you are going to break your leg again, so you have to wear a cast for the rest of your life. It is bullsh$t. I will not break my leg, though I admit the possibility exists.
In degrees of sickness, how sick will I get? There won’t only be good days ahead, but bad days? What makes me sick? How do psychiatric drugs help?
The feeling of Fear make me sick and the fear of being hospitalized-jailed, and drugged-poisoned can be a feedback loop.
As I now have no fear of being hospitalized-jailed, and drugged-poisoned there is no feedback loop.
If the psychiatrist do not have medicines to give to (or force onto) their patients, then they are not doctors are they?
To dmschlom
Everyone is for psychiatry for the fear of the future. The patient is continually drugged for fear of the future. Everyone knows there is no chemical imbalance, virus or bacteria. Controlling the other person but how?
Insane actions have been with mankind since the start of time and psychiatry and its drugs is the panacea.
I do not have the technical expertise to put this data into program that can extrapolate the results of the drugging in a few years.
More drugs only lead to more drugs, but that IS what drug dealers sell.
The people not making money from not selling drugs need to show the governments (that is paying for a lot of the drugs) the stats on the increasing rates of mental illness and that the drugs are not working as claimed. But who has the money to lobby the government?
Numerous people have lost their kidney, as in the kidney dies, from the lithium “medicine”. If a real doctor wants to see if your kidneys are functioning properly, you should let them and give them a urine sample if they request it.
I wonder if he did , or was forced to do a cold turkey withdrawal from the psych drugs? As those that issue the drugs delusionally think there are no withdrawal effects.
Kendra wrote in the article “He had gained 30 pounds and could barely speak.” on the drugs.
With little ability to behave psychotic, the patient isn’t psychotic, thinks the quack doctor.
Frog goes deaf story A scientist is working in the lab with a frog. He has trained it to respond to simple verbal commands and wants to observe its ability to jump after it has lost one or more of its limbs. He starts by saying, “ok frog, jump.” The frog quickly does a small hop. The scientist notes, “frog jumps easily.”
The scientist then cuts off one of its legs and says “ok frog, jump.” The frog again hops, but with a bit of difficulty. The scientist notes, “frog with 3 legs still able to jump.”
The scientist cuts off another leg and says “ok frog, jump.” The frog stumbles awkwardly but is still able to do a small hop. The scientist notes, “frog with 2 legs able to hop a bit.”
Then he cuts off the third leg and repeats the command. The frog pushes with its remaining leg, trying to hop, and finally propels itself forward a bit. The scientist notes, “frog with one leg unable to jump fully, but can move forward.”
The scientist then cuts off its last leg and says “ok frog, jump.” The frog does nothing. The scientist repeats his command but the frog still does nothing. “Jump frog, jump!” But the frog doesn’t move.
The scientist notes, “frog with no legs goes deaf.”
Patient on anti-psychotics , without symptoms has been successfully treated.
You wrote “Everybody needs to “walk out” of psychiatry.”
I ask the SMI patients entertaining the thought, to not forget where the money comes from to pay the rent and food bills. BEFORE you walk out.
You do not want to be homeless.
“There are no US national laws on ECT leaving individual state governments to regulate treatment. Whereas some states have detailed restrictions on use, other states have no regulation at all. This variation applies to multiple areas of ECT practice, including who can receive ECT, who can provide informed consent, who can prescribe or perform ECT, and what administrative requirements (eg, fees, reporting) must be met by ECT practitioners. Knowledge of these state laws will help providers not only to be aware of their own state’s regulations, but also to have a general awareness of what other states mandate for better patient care and utilization of ECT. ” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28991068/
here in Canada Ativan given/forced on patients.
quote from article “”That was my first question when I got to the hot zone,” she said. “Where is the oxygen?”
Instead, she said, nurses were given a protocol to follow, which involved administering morphine and lorazepam — commonly known as Ativan — to calm the patient down.
Title “No oxygen or running water in hot zone at worst-hit long-term care home in Quebec, inquest hears” https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/chsld-sainte-dorothee-coroners-inquest-1.6068266
Right Steve. That day I was thinking specifically of city employee’s who do not perform there job. The public is paying the city workers when they pay their taxes, the public has the problem ( of no services).
Then I carried it over to psychiatry. What is a psychiatrists, or psychiatries motivation to change? When their (shrinks) common belief in the example of when someone is ill , the patients needs more psychiatric drugs, not less.
from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/aurora_shooting
“He did tell Fenton the medication hadn’t helped his obsessive thoughts. She doubled the dose of sertraline from 50mg to 100mg. “
Remember to question who is giving you advice.
How is their withdrawal going? Why take their advice?
Keep a notebook/logbook written in your own hand of your journey like a sea fairing captain would. This is the only way to learn from your mistakes and what works.
If you successfully withdraw, I am / you are , a threat to their ( the mass population of taking drugs) religion, and they don’t like it.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”― Lyndon B. Johnson
If you(the psychiatrist) can convince the lowest man he’s better than the best schizo/bipolar/whatever, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.
Looking down on the mental patient is enjoyed by all “normal” people, maybe the last prejudice.
Szasz video https://youtu.be/5xstBU83rbI?t=41
truth793 wrote “I have no sympathy for someone who thinks treatment consists solely in prescribing drugs”
Without drugs (renamed medicines) you can no longer claim psychiatry is a medicinal treatment , it is a religious/moral treatment if it only uses words/talking/ communication.
People usually get to chose what religion to follow/worship.
“funding to research a fairly homogeneous population with a common ancestry” looking for biological evidence, when we know there is no evidence in the DNA or whatever. The second there is evidence of “mental illness” it is no longer mental illness but physical illness.
People who are poor have bad nutrition, bad physical effects on their brain, body and soul.
The guy is talking about poverty not mental illness. Poverty needs to be studied? What BS.
“argues that mental health research is inequitably distributed across the globe.” You can only look after your own country. People need clean water and food more than mental health services. He is asking for a WHO or NATO and the United Nations mental health police?
A typo on the HTML links, “Letters to the editor from Joanne Moncrieff, and David Taylor/Mark Horowitz.” are reversed, as in each hotlink goes to the other.
I had a broken computer and stuck a broken post it note on it to remind me to fix it. Fixed the computer but forgot to remove the note. The next person observing the computer thought it was broken because of the old label on it. The computer worked fine, but the person thought it was broken because of a label.
Then you get to the human factor , if the person believes they are broken/defective from the past judgement. Léolo – fight scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMgWZ7PUrRY
In the religion of psychiatry they write down the persons confession, so it can never be forgotten. Will the confession be forgiven? If you worship and consume the holy molecules of science, (medication compliant) you will be forgiven.
“Why does asking for emotional support”
The person is not asking for emotional support , the person is threatening to hurt or kill someone. If the police are aware of someone threatening to hurt or kill someone their job is to intervene.
The dark comedy is when the police arrive to help, very often the kill the person they are supposed to protect/serve/save.
Don’t threaten to hurt or kill anyone and you wont get into trouble.
TD brain damage produces involuntary movements and behavior that makes a person look crazy to “normal” people. The charlatans want to promote the belief the crazy person is a real thing, a thing that would exist without a psychiatrist and people jerking around does sell the need for a doctor. but the doctor created the problem shhh shhh now.
Narcissism was recently invented and it does describe psychiatry
4 traits
1. They will never apologize. I am helping you! Don’t you want help?
2. They will never assume responsibility of their faults. This article on psych drugs effects , etc
3. They will never be introspective. Is the patient really ill? Am I helping the patient? Am I a doctor?
4. They will never be forgiving. The patient will always be mentally ill or temporarily in remission.
I am surprised this comment was allowed by the censors. I will attempt to back it up with online articles
Nazis increased the likelihood of death and decreased the likelihood to have children in their enemies.
Death: increased chance of
“By Marilyn Elias, USA TODAY
Adults with serious mental illness treated in public systems die about 25 years earlier than Americans overall, a gap that’s widened since the early ’90s when major mental disorders cut life spans by 10 to 15 years, according to a report due Monday. ” https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-05-03-mental-illness_N.htm
Reproduction: having children
Sexual side effects of pharmacological treatment of psychiatric diseases
“there is consistent evidence to suggest that a large number of psychiatric medications adversely affect one or more of the three phases of normal sexual response: desire, arousal, and orgasm. ” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20668442/
Human behaviour ( like animal behaviour) is driven by genes in a way, the urge to reproduce. If the animal or human doesn’t have the behaviour, you know the results, they don’t have offspring.
seinfeldscripts.com/TheContest.htm
GEORGE: Oh boy..
JERRY: What are we doing here..?
GEORGE: ..Oh boy.
JERRY: This is ridiculous.
GEORGE: Do you believe this? We’re fighting. We’re fighting.
JERRY: I haven’t been myself lately. I’ve been snapping at everybody.
GEORGE: Me too. I’ve been yelling at strangers on the street.
I LOL’ed at the beginning. “Do you know how you got here?” I had no idea how any of us got here. Big Bang? Evolution? I shrugged again.
Because it was true for myself as well. They are speaking literally , and you are thinking in another way like figuratively, or too deep.
Movie Phenomenon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHDSNs9wBpU
“Don’t the Iranians have enough misery” you are writing like there is someone watching out for the people, there isn’t. Just like there is no one watching out for the planet.
Selling legal drugs is expanding is all. People want the drugs( named medicine) and those that don’t want or approve of medicine are Neanderthals. it is a perfect system, if it wasn’t perfect it would/could not continue to exist.
I too can ” look back on what I’ve been through with anger.”
and this anger at the injustice can be named “psychosis” by those who claim to be helping with “medicine”.
So I must forgive , but not forget, and be grateful for what I still have.
Thank you Robert Whitaker for continuing to fight to show the evidence of the effectiveness of the psychiatric drugs over time.
Yes the psychiatric medications used to be called neuroleptics, and they should be continued to called neuroleptics because if you personally have not been forced to, coerced to, or willingly have taken the drugs, you do not know the effects. The term “Anti-psychotic” medicine makes the “chemical lobotomy” palatable to the person who has not taken the drug.
Advice to the recovering schizophrenic in regards to the chart “Psychotic symptoms in schizophrenia” 23% VS 79%. What is psychotic? It means different things to different people. Today we have digital cameras. Get one and photograph your psychotic symptoms.
It is not surprising to me that being tied up for 15 years makes it unlikely to recover. A person needs a fully operating brain for a mind to work.
You wrote “no one knows that the damages are from chemicals do they. “?
Yes the invisible beating that can not be proven as a violent act. When they change the name of chemical/drug to “medicine” , then no one can question the treatment. What was/is the illness the medicines are prescribed for again? What proof is there of an illness? Who is being disturbed?
You want to deprive a child of medicine? You must be ill.
You also wrote “I do hope that eventually psychiatry becomes part of an ugly history”
The trouble is those that drug children ( both parent and psychiatrist), and those that have invested a lifetime into a chemical solution to “wrong” behaviour will not want to admit they are wrong about the drugs.
You wrote “By measuring that some neurotransmitter levels were lowered, or raised by the drugs, it was concluded that everything the people taking these drugs had been going through was caused by too much, or too little of the neurotransmitter.”
Secondly you wrote “why is it important to believe in a mental illness?”
People used to sin before “mental illness” was invented. You do not have to believe or not believe in sin for the behavior to exist.
Change it to “why is it important to believe in a sin?”
Szasz wrote “In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but
one into sickness. Anger(5), gluttony(2), lust(1), pride(7), sloth(4) are all the symptoms
of mental diseases. Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.”
I must concede alcohol addiction might have to be a slow withdrawal. https://www.healthline.com/health/alcoholism/withdrawal#symptoms (they prescribe more drugs, different drugs for the absence of the drug alcohol)
“The symptoms may worsen over two to three days, and some milder symptoms may persist for weeks in some people. “
I am glad for the scientific evidence, the more the better. But it is like stating the sky is the color blue usually, taking drugs that shrink the brain and a infection of COVID19 at the same time is bad. https://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
Philip, Thanks for the criticism . Thanks for the (imaginary) conversation of the first meeting.
“Patient”: Why am I here?
Psychiatrist: Because you are experiencing auditory hallucinations, paranoid delusions, and disordered thinking.
It is a prison.
“Patient”: The only distress I’m feeling is because you’re keeping me locked up in this place.
If you, the patient gets angry ( the normal response) then you, the patient, need more drugs they call medication.
The system is perfect, if it wasn’t perfect it wouldn’t exist.
Sorry the link doesn’t work. It works for me. Just a joke.
Half of the joke is the delivery , so you have to know how Carlin did his stand up.
Carlin was saying “I don’t have pet peeves ( pause) , I have major psychotic **** hatreds!” audience laughs. another link https://www.quotes.net/mquote/35860
Here is a story for you on a blind person.
“One explanation, that B.T. was “malingering,” or lying about her disability, was disproved by an EEG test. When B.T. was in her two blind states, her brain showed none of the electrical responses to visual stimuli that sighted people would display — even though B.T.’s eyes were open and she was looking right at them.”
To MSIDHU who wrote”down-side to medications we have today, like in other aspects of medicine treating cancer, end stage renal disease”
Choices versus diseases….
Dr. Thomas Szasz (1920-2012) wrote
“In physics the same laws are used to explain why airplanes fly and why they crash. In medicine the same principles are used to explain why people live and why they die. In psychiatry, however, one set of rules is used to explain sane behavior and another set of rules is used to explain insane behavior: sane behavior is attributed to reasons (choices), insane behavior to causes (diseases).”
Great response Steve McCrea, thanks for responding to “theloniusmonk”.
Those afraid that some one will take their drugs away, or afraid the chemical restraints placed on a family member might be removed , will defend the drugs as “medicine”.
UPDATE CBS News has retracted their story that they knew each other. IF they had known each other and had grievances between them, those grievances could have been a factor for motivation. I’m sorry I trusted CBS news.
If precious metals are no longer precious metals, as in, they have no value or power , then the pyramid has no top, no way to pay or motivate those under them.
On the CBS news tonight it was reveled the police officer Derek Chauvin knew George Floyd , so that changes the murder from blind racism to something else. IMO obviously all officers should pass some kind of psychology test to indicate that they are not racist. That this test does not exist, or that the existing test let police officer Derek Chauvin become an officer is wrong.
Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg in a video at time index 03:18 of 04:10 schizophrenia is about to be found in the genome . LOL. What are they going to do when it can not be found?
Fictional word of psychotic is used in the video. People are mistaken, people are stupid, people are angry.
They are never going to admit schizophrenia doesn’t exist as a disease. Behaviour is not a disease. “In psychiatry, we use one set of laws to explain sane behaviour, which we attribute to reasons (choices), and another set of laws to explain insane behaviour, which we attribute to causes (diseases).” Szasz
Another factor is the persons teeth. Chewing food lets you get nutrition. My teeth are in bad shape, how about yours?
“Many psychoactive medications cause dry mouth, which makes teeth much more prone to decay,”
If you can’t get out of bed from the psychiatric medication, you also will be unlikely to take care of your teeth.
You apparently do not know the Catch 22. If you are sane enough to seek help it means you are too sane and do NOT need help. Only those who have lack of insight and can not believe/conceive themselves as wrong(ill) need “help”. You were merely neurotic and they can only treat the psychotic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)
Szasz “Doubt is to certainty as neurosis is to psychosis. The neurotic is in doubt and has fears about persons and things; the psychotic has convictions and makes claims about them. In short, the neurotic has problems, the psychotic has solutions.
selective breeding of the population for 50 years.
“D. K. Belyaev in Novosibirik, Siberia….selection for specific behaviours such as tameness … after relatively few generations, the foxes were increasingly tame and docile,”
They put “I dream of jeannie” reruns back on TV here, and the psychiatrist is portrayed as an idiot. Was this a PR stunt to get people to trust shrinks again after WW2?
Like the TV show Hogans Heroes is supposed to make us forget the nazis ?
Children by definition can not be mentally ill, only adults are expected to be able to control themselves ( in the battle between emotions VS intellect).
Dr. Szasz “the child mental patient is doubly disfranchised ”
The drugs are just non-visible ropes and straitjackets. Everyone has forgotten how the mentally ill were treated before drugs.
Are you following orders? Then you wont get drugged.
Regarding ” I have not had to reveal my psychiatric condition to my employers.”
Do not ever reveal your psychiatric history or whatever.
The “normal” person fears the future and fears the “mentally ill” that is why they have so much faith ( religion) in the drugs they call medicine.
If confronted on their understanding of “mental illness” it is soon obvious they have cognitive dissonance on the subject, and NO ONE wants this pointed out.
Thank you Robert for this analysis.
I would add the drugs sexual effects on the brains D2 receptors has not been reported/studied. Numerous rat brain studies show haloperidol and clozapine stop male sexual behaviour.
There is no antipsychotic drug because there is no psychotic molecule, virus bacteria. This is a con game with acronyms to make it seem legitimate. When will the house of cards collapse? Pretty soon I think.
Thanks for responding Rachel. I would add that my parents are invested in the description of schizophrenia, as if it is wrong it means they have betrayed me (their child) for the years past, and they could not have done that could they? Who would betray their child? It is not possible….
Once labelled , you can not be unlabelled . I challenge you to find people who have had their mental illness diagnosis removed. Your/their illness may be in remission and at the present time, you/they may be “stable”.
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
All the King’s horses
And all the King’s men,
Couldn’t put Humpty together again.
What is important is functionality, how well you can function.
What is functional? If you don’t know, then that is half the problem. Magic pills are not going to educate anyone magically. Psychiatrists who complain of lack of insight (in their patient) while making their patients stupid are the the insane ones.
oldhead, Psychiatry can not be abolished, like the religious group of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism can not be abolished. People willingly worship psychiatry and this worship can not be stopped.
oldhead people want and need drugs. Drugs are the number one reason for psychiatry in my opinion. People need a legal way of getting drugs for themselves, or for forcing the drugs on others to control them. Only psychiatry can legitimize the consumption of drugs.
If you are looking for more HORROR, you can look at a medical paper from 1961 on targeting the deep brain.
While today the neurosurgeon / psychiatrist is looking at the reptilian brain in the human brain or the root core of the brain, where the emotions are thought to be, back in 1961 they were destroying/ stimulating the thinking part of the brain the frontal lobe.
I did not know when lobotomy was abandoned, but from Wikipedia “Doctors in the Soviet Union concluded that the procedure was “contrary to the principles of humanity” and “‘through lobotomy’ an insane person is changed into an idiot.” By the 1970s, numerous countries had banned the procedure as had several US states.”
Meds you write. The drugs are not medications. There is no measurable illness the drugs are affecting. Should the dose be 4mg or 100 mg? The decision is totally arbitrary. There is no science to back up the claim the drugs are medicine as there are no brain chemical (imbalance) tests. A comparison is the thickness of the rope binding the person like a 4 piece stranded rope or a 100 stranded rope or the different types of metal that can be used in handcuffs. And people willingly go along with this idea of drugs as medicine.
When is the stop date to the medicine? When is the stop day of the drug? Human behavior, a human’s choice to do/perform evil or good is not a medical problem.
“who is helping people to understand that the drugs they take may be too many?”
Drugs? They are not drugs they are (magical) medications that can only do good because a doctor prescribed them.
Too many(much)? People can not take too much of the God they worship. Don’t you want to be more like a perfect God?
“shouldn’t she have figured out” What the FORK??? how do you figure something out without the thing that does the figuring?
“But if you don’t take the psychiatric drugs you will be-come mentally ill ” they say.The Paradox power of psychiatry , my icon of one hand drawing the other (M.C. Escher). The only person who can leave the equation is the “patient”. The physical drug addiction AND society belief in magical psychiatric drugs makes it extremely difficult.
The original “first they came for” by Martin Niemöller January 1946 does have the mentally ill named “Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables.” http://marcuse.faculty.history.ucsb.edu/niem.htm
The only difference between the sane and the insane is that the sane have the power to lock up the insane.
Hunter S. Thompson
The “long term recovery rates for the schizophrenic patient” can be translated to “long term recovery rates for the Communist” why would a communist work for the authority that would jail , poison or kill him/her?
If you do have a high enough voltage/current to reach the brain, it becomes painful and you have to use anesthesia.
It is all quackery to say people and children’s choices are not their choices.
There are people who defend the religion (that isn’t a religion. HOW DARE YOU SAY IT IS A RELIGION) of the worship of the holy molecules of science that can only do good things to people.
When in fact the molecules, the drugs can hurt people as well as “help” people.
“Cooper … there’s a stigma for people actually seeking medical help for something that could save their life.”
This person can not conceive that the psychiatric drugs ( renamed medications) could END and damage peoples lives.
From the article “When I was suicidal, content about suicide was soothing for me. ”
In music
Just Want To See – Cowboy Junkies outube.com/watch?v=a4jq5qbLgAg
I don’t want to be no patch on no quilt
(I just want to see . . . )
Tear-stained stitching linking memories to guilt
(I just want to see . . . )
I don’t want to be no hair on no wall
(I just want to see . . . )
Blood-stained note saying ***k you all
(I just want to see what kills me)
You wrote “I think the majority of “mental health” workers may actually suffer from doublethink”
No they do NOT suffer from it, they make a living from the trick. They are fully functional. No one is going to stop them. They pay their bills with the paycheck they receive.
A person is either nonfunctional or functional , there is no mental illness.
“lactic acid bacteria was at least 400 times more abundant in schizophrenic patients than control subjects”
They don’t say if the patients were drugged/medicated BEFORE the change in bacteria.
Dry mouth and effects of the drugs/medications may be causing the physical differences and then the bacteria etc is not a clue to the causes of “mental illness”.
“all he was doing was being naked, howling at the moon” If someone wants to be naked, and clearly non violent, and howl at the moon, what’s really the problem?
The location.
I bet people who scream and get naked want to do it around people to get a reaction from them, otherwise they should have gone away from civilization first.
Those with the gold make the rules. Money ( a collective fiction/insanity) is not going to disappear any time soon. Humans still have plenty of food and water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt got to come back to teach man some humility.
Ghost_Whisperer Five year running TV show
The series follows the life of Melinda Gordon (Jennifer Love Hewitt), who has the ability to see and communicate with ghosts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Whisperer
Medium Seven year running TV show
The series stars Patricia Arquette as Allison DuBois, a medium employed as a consultant for the Phoenix, Arizona, district attorney’s office, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_(TV_series)
As there is no such thing as a psychotic molecule , bacteria or virus, anyone with common sense knows an Anti-psychotic is a fictional medicine.
Imagine a (illegal ) drug dealer that wanted to reduce their (drug addicted) clients use of drugs. Not gonna happen. What is the drug dealers incentive? Who is the drug dealer working for?
With today’s technology we could define someone with a physical brain defect found in a MRI as a patient due to the scientific evidence. The brain damage has to be evident BEFORE psychiatry intervened with its treatments.
As I am sure you know, psychiatry can predict a horrible future and then makes the horror come true.
I like the cartoon. Szasz said there is a time to laugh at the powerful,“When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others to laugh at him..” and John Lennon also advocated for nonviolence, as once they have you (visibly) angry , they know how to handle you.
Jailing someone and calling the jail a hospital will also make people crazy.
From the article “Amit’s belief that we were conspiring against him could be described as a delusion. It might also be described as an understandable response to what was happening to him.”
Guy in the article is selling a book. Getting paid to look after and write about the mentally ill. ehn.
Regarding the electricity overnight on children’s brains.
The electricity is DC or direct current so does not cause a seizure. At best , the treatment is an active placebo.
At worst, chemical reactions will occur in the blood and potentially poison the child. To separate hydrogen and oxygen H2O in water you can apply a DC voltage to water that has conductors. At the positive and negative contact points gas and chemical reactions will take place.
The odds of electricity reaching the brain is very unlikely, as proven by a cadaver study of DC electrical stimulation. Medical article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29396478
For DC to work they have to use higher voltages/power, which then makes it too painful to use on conscious people.
Congratulations on your work to follow where the money goes .
I hope you are aware of the trap seriously mentally ill persons are in. If they are not taking psychiatric medications then they are not following medical advice and can be forcefully medicated, or if they are not taking medication it means they are well and will no longer receive Government money to have food and shelter.
I think it is hilarious that those who believe in the religion of psychiatry criticize the legitimacy of another religion.
“The only way out was to tell the psychiatrists that they were correct. I am insane but getting better.” Rosenhan experiment.
Psychiatrist predict a bad future then make the bad future happen by drugging their patient. Drug withdrawal is judged as the mental illness returning and the necessity for drug resumption.
They accuse the schizophrenic “Positive symptoms of schizophrenia may be related to distortions in time perception.” When it is they themselves who have a distorted perception of time. The future has not happened yet and there is nothing to fear, yet they fear the future and must medicate the present moment to prevent the “bad”.
The “medicines” one ingests do not have the ability to distinguish between “good” sane thought and “bad” insane thought and attack ONLY the “bad” thoughts. The person decides what is rational or not.
“You cannot tell me that I do not have a physical illness” double negatives? Converts to “you can tell me i do have a physical illness”
This is a bizarre statement when the illness is called mental illness, and a whole different set of rules are applied to mental illness.
In physical illness the patient can leave against medical advice AMA.
People do have the potential to make wrong or bad decisions ( or the right one) , if they do not have the choice they do not have their freedom.
Yes indeed the medication or drugs can inhibit cognition, keeping the patient in a trap of lack of insight into their problem(s). Indeed the doctor/psychiatrist can enjoy their position of power too much.
Bad Medicine, A Psychiatrist’s Control Over Patient’s Mind https://youtu.be/ha9vnLMrXeQ
Schizophrenia Research Available online 22 May 2019 Linking Childhood Adversities with schizophrenia: A mediating role of the balanced time perspective
The religion of magical pills is in power. This era started with the first antibiotic (penicillin) and the birth control pill.
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. “Thomas Szasz https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/thomas_szasz_106710
Anger at the system will not help me/you sleep at night.
“The establishment will irritate you… to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you.” John Lennon.
You wrote “my poor parents decades ago that I could “relapse” at any given moment”.
This is an exploitation of fear ( of the future) in the parents, that psychiatry is happy to use. Your child is sick and must be helped. A parents love and need to keep the child safe. How does the child escape the parents and the psychiatrists fear of the future?
The psychiatrist can play the hero by drugging the patient so they can not perform any action, good or bad.
“People assume I, and others, can’t handle these emotions. This is projection indeed.” you wrote.
Yes they can call the anger “psychotic” instead of that the person is angry. With the person suitably diagnosed, antipsychotics can be medically administered.
“people can become afraid to leave their home” you wrote. I wonder about this.
Go back in time and how many homes had heating , running water to drink and a toilet to use? Before modern times you had to go out to chop wood for the fire or get coal for the furnace. You had to go outside to the well to get drinking water. You had to go outside to use the outhouse.
Change your “tribe” and how many humans were nomadic? living in tents.
“…the cause of major psychiatric disorders, and how, in fact, they were finding instead that the drugs, over time, induce the very chemical abnormalities hypothesized to cause the disorders in the first place. ”
Yes, I have a major psychiatric disorder diagnosis of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is know for Affective flattening, Akathisia, Alogia , Apathy, Asociality, Avolition, …..
and Anhedonia: The inability to experience pleasure from activities usually found enjoyable.
The psychiatric medicines given to the mentally ill known as antipsychotics disable the dopamine and serotonin receptors in the brain.
The drugs are not medications.
This is what the psychiatric profession is hinged on. If there are no psychiatric medications ( there are not) , then they are not doctors.
So the drugs have to BE medications or they are out of a profession.
The diagnoses might be a description of behaviour like” too fast” or “too slow”, but the trouble with giving such a description-diagnosis to a child or anyone under the age of 18, is that the diagnosis is self fulfilling.
The doctor says I have a low attention span due to a disease? That’s a great excuse for not taking responsibility for my actions, for not trying to get better. I got a disease! My actions and inaction are a result of a disease. The doctor says so!
This is the TRUE danger of psychiatric diagnosis, the nocebo effect.
The current medication for Postpartum Depression killed a women.
“While they were waiting for the antidepressant Zoloft to “kick in” after their son was born, she took her own life.”
Elephant in the room and no one sees it, myself included. The article had me overlooking it until I read the first comment here by “Truth” who wrote ” I wonder if..?”
“By about 1960, widespread consumption had begun to make amphetamine’s negative health consequences more evident. Amphetamine psychosis had already been observed in the 1930s among long-term narcoleptic users of the drug, and individual case reports mounted during the 1940s and early 1950s.41 Initially, psychotic episodes were attributed to latent schizophrenia “unmasked” by the drug or to some other preexisting psychiatric pathology in the user.42 In Philip Connell’s definitive 1958 study of 40 cases, however, the British psychiatrist persuasively showed that amphetamine psychosis could happen to anyone, and eventually would, given enough of the drug” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2377281/
If you are being given shit in your life (dung in the story), maybe it is Jesus trying to fertilize you so you produce something. (joke)
Psychiatry does the opposite of dung-fertilizer for a plant, it poisons people while calling it medicine, and those around the mental patient for some reason still believe the confidence trick, urge their loved one to take the medicine.
No, the facts, the information, the science comes from the top down. A PBS show on breast cancer said everyone was in favour for radical mastectomy to cure cancer. The doctor who proposed lumpectomy is just as good, was derided by his fellow brainwashed doctors. Only when the patients heard of a scientific trial, and got the science to prove the survival rates are the same for both radical mastectomy and lumpectomy did things change.
I saw a study of people given a placebo, explicitly told they are taking a placebo and the placebo effect still worked on a majority of the subjects. So you don’t even need the “active” placebo (some kind of noticeable physical effect) to get a response.
“why do you suppose mainstream religions have embraced psychiatry”
It is about where the drugs are coming from.
because the elite in the church still sin, still suffer from “depression” and need someone to turn to for excuses and the solution of legal drugs coming from read doctors, not drug dealers.
and also the children of the elite have problems , so they need psychiatry to drug(called medicine) the children.
UK researchers found moving to a green space had a sustained positive effect, unlike pay rises or promotions, which only provided a short-term boost.
The authors said the results indicated that access to good quality urban parks was beneficial to public health.
The findings appear in the journal Environmental Science and Technology.
Co-author Mathew White, from the European Centre for Environment and Human Health at the University of Exeter, UK, explained the study built on the findings of a study that showed people living in greener urban areas were displaying fewer signs of depression or anxiety.
A bartender can be charged for giving too much alcohol .
“Bartenders who serve intoxicated patrons may be at risk for legal and civil charges as a result of these actions. Many states have enacted legislation to allow for prosecution and civil suits of commercial establishments that serve alcohol to visibly intoxicated individuals or to minors.”
And the doctor was on a mind altering substance like alcohol.
Heads I win, tails you lose. Win- Win for psychiatry
With no science to measure good thoughts to bad thoughts from being chemically altered it still is a win-win position for psychiatry.
If the patient does well after given-forced medicines, psychiatry helped.
If the patient does poorly after given-forced medication, psychiatry says we told you he/she was ill. We are trying to help.
Depression used to be a sin, as in a choice people make. If you can not sin ( you do not have the DNA that they are looking for) you are not a human being. The sin is ingratitude to not appreciate and enjoy the gifts that God has given us, like the sight, sound, smell of things.
The fish, the client wants to stay on the hook of drug addiction. Right. Not. There are no brain chemical imbalances. The legal drugs are just drugs, not medicine.
The psychiatrist can switch up the drugs, for the patient. If the patient goes nuts from the change, it is a win for psychiatry (Patient back in psychiatry’s hospital-jail or worse). If the patient adjusts to the new drugs (with an illusion of choice or freewill) it is a win for psychiatry as they kept their “patient”.
Remember the hero needs to be a hero by issuing helpful medications to a sick patient.
You are sick aren’t you?
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The Simpsons cartoon made fun of the phenomenon of teenagers being depressed. Leaving childhood has its pros and cons. “Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel” 0:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cELOaM-wRUY
The say psychiatry went too far with naming bereavement a mental disorder, maybe teenage angst is also not a mental disorder?
The problem will solve itself when the children of today grow up and don’t/can’t/won’t have children or will not have a profession that earns income to pay for their children.
Makes you ask “Who watches the watchers?” Was the authority the one with the mental illness (obsession with medically assisted death) , not the “patient”?
I don’t know how religion is doing where you live, but the churches that were full in the 1940’s are now empty. People used to pray to God before the holy molecules of science started working , like molecules of penicillin.
Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/thomas_szasz_106710
for Rachel777
first the general public does not want psychiatry banned
second organized religion uses psychiatry for the sin of sloth, known today as depression, so they don’t want it gone
third psychiatry is part of the law, the accused must be sane to go to court. too obvious,too much proof of a killing from anger and the person is automatically “insane”
How does it get banned?
To clarify, a drug only becomes a medicine when it is prescribed by a (mortal) doctor. You the doctor are preforming the magical transformation of drug to medicine. You must bear the responsibility, if you can not, find another profession.
What responsibility you ask? The actions of your patient that they take while under the influence of mind altering drugs, like a person who voluntarily drinks alcohol and drives home. Did he drink too much?
So the default is obvious , drug your patient so much that they can take NO action, and then call the lack of action a successful treatment.
As a critic of psychiatry I have to write the drugs are not medications. It is self fulfilling to write “Who decides?” when it has already been decided the drugs are medicines by the authority.
The doctors are issuing legal drugs not medicines, as there is no physical disease in the patient for the drug-chemical to affect.
The prescribing doctor does not go through physical withdrawal, or the ups and downs as the drugs are absorbed into the patients body. There is no WE in the legal drug dealing.
“He recently asked me if I thought he could ever stop — I said I didn’t know, but certainly we could work on it.”
“we’d keep on making these decisions together”
The drug dealer does not want to see pain in their client so will continue to prescribe drugs.
Another aspect is military deaths on psych drugs. In the U.S., one suicide (successfully) completed a day, with many on the psychiatric medicines. They estimate 22 or 20 suicide attempts a day. Do they blame the drug, the access to the drug, the drugs effects on cognition that predisposes someone to perform more foolish actions? Suicide is attributed to mental illness, not the drug. And those that who accidentally take an overdose, is it suicide or an overdose? What is written on the death certificate?
Someone could write a book on the problem of falsifying the death certificates, or at least document it, and put it in the medical literature so it can be cited as a “real” problem.
Doctors and scientists that believe the lie that the drugs are medicines usually write” natural causes” to the death of psych patients, or like in this article “died from a hereditary heart condition”. They falsify the science and still claim it is science . The Nazi’s did something similar. https://www.britannica.com/event/T4-Program
“The relatives then received condolence letters, falsified death certificates signed by physicians, and urns containing ashes.”
If they are faking the cause of death, any attempts to fix the problem will obviously not work. And they will not be caught until another fifty years of evidence builds up to prove they are lying.
Is the brain broken or not? Today we know the brain is NOT broken, so then what is psychiatry? Is it a medical treatment? No. Will I worship the holy molecule as instructed? No, not if I have my freedom.
Well to stop suicide, they could test tying people up and compare that to people who are not tied up and see which one has a higher suicide rate. You know I am joking, but you can extrapolate the drug that inhibits someone from moving (same as a physical rope) would lessen the chances of suicide. Doesn’t really make it anti-suicide medicine.
“I hire couple of thugs to break them for $5,000”. You are going to end up in jail unless/until you learn to forgive. Most everyone is just trying to make it through the day.
what is the difference between the “inpatient psychiatric unit” and a prison?
in “hospital” I had to say I was a smoker when I am not, to get any amount of daylight/outdoor time. In hospital I asked ” When am I getting out?” the response was “Soon, soon” unlike a fixed date for a crime. What was I guilty of? Where was my lawyer?
You start off your story with the story of a psychotic woman,
[The new patient was a severely psychotic woman who looked into the air like it was teeming with ghosts. She called us witches and warlocks and vampires.]
but you don’t speak of her history. Was she born psychotic? or was she made that way perhaps?
More drugs. More Drugs. More drugs. Rather than rational thought, rather than “This is a sever drug withdrawal”. Magical drugs that can only do good. It all starts from a lie that the drugs are fixing something.
“It is better one hundred innocent Persons should be found guilty and suffer (psychiatric drugs and psychiatric prison), than that one guilty Person should escape.” says Psychiatry.
This is the reverse of ” it is better one hundred guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer”said by Benjamin Franklin
The only person who can leave the endless battle/equation is you, as the psychiatrist is paid, and also compelled to continue to define you.
In order to leave you must find forgiveness for yourself and for others. You must not identify too closely with the master or the slave.
If you like the fight, you keep doing what you are doing.
” NO OTHER justice worthy conclusion than to *abolish* psychiatry. ” wrote Richard D. Lewis .
You know this can’t happen. Szasz explained psychiatry is too enmeshed into society to be able to remove it, even if some power was able to. at 2 :37 in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY78qJNLoQ0
If you don’t want help , then it means you are sick.
“We are helping people!”
Maybe , maybe not. How many are being harmed by psychiatry? Many obedient patients develop Diabetes and other disease from psychiatric drug treatment.
Being in a prison without a crime, makes madness. Take for example a tortured animal. It behaves badly from the abuse it has received. Do you help it by confining it, and beating it more?
Call it medicine. Right. You try the medicine out for its medicinal properties.
PART B) Then you have all the people who need/want to help the poor unfortunate with medicine. They can NOT be issuing drugs, they must be giving out medicine. They are HERO’s! for helping the unfortunate with medicine, not hurting people with drugs.
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/12/funeral.html
“They do not know how to stand in the presence of grief because they can’t help but make it immediately a judgment of themselves– how can you see a woman crying and not do anything? Purposeless hyperactivity to cover up one’s impotence and lack of empathy.”
Converted to
“They (psychiatrists) do not know how to stand in the presence of crazy because they can’t help but make it immediately a judgment of themselves– how can you (as a doctor) see a crazy person and not do anything?”
“a need for a public education campaign to correct the record”
Who is going to pay for that? And the people who are happy to eat their God , need to, or want to believe in a magical pill (their God).
Regarding the children. Yes the children believe they are defective and need medicine for not being a perfect robot , instead of the past times when humans were imperfect sinners, who inevitably sinned or made mistakes.
If the children take on the responsibility for their actions , then they might feel guilty for their “bad” behavior( then need MORE drugs for feeling bad). It is better and easier to blame your problems on unbalanced brain chemicals. Those who do believe in magical chemicals have NO reason to change their belief system.
I hope they count this in the Shorter life span for the mentally ill. Do they say if the two KILLED were locked up in handcuffs or posey belt? Did they have a chance to escape like their guards?
While saving the patient they killed him/her. is common in psychiatry.
A person has to pay the bills (for an excuse/reason to work in the prison. And the prison is not disappearing any time soon).
You do know the only difference between the mad and the eccentric is just a matter of the amount of money that they have?
No money and you are on the street and presumed mentally ill….
The first image “The Ship of Fools” with global warming, plastic waste in the water/ocean, nuclear (cancer causing radiation) power and such things , we are still on THE ship of Fools. But maybe nearer the end.
The image of people chained and being UN-chained Philippe_Pinel_à_la_Salpêtrière_.jpg is the same as today.
People want the irresponsible in chains otherwise-known-as “medication” or psychiatric drugs. An invisible chain. And there are doctors today who want to reduce the chains, reduce the number of drugs/medicines patients are on so they can recover and become a “healthy” individual.
I think this is how they came up with the drugs for life ( for mental illness) , back in the days of witchcraft-religion> everyone went to a church of some kind in the 1950’s. How does the drug-medicine work? I don’t know, but keep giving it to them as they are improving.
Worship of the holy molecule, you must worship! and one day you will be cured! ( sarcastic joke)
With brain damage “I emerge from my three-week-long ECT treatment to discover that I am not only this Princess Leia creature but also several-sized dolls, various T-shirts and posters, some cleansing items, and a bunch of other merchandise. It turns out I was even a kind of pin-up—a fantasy that geeky teenage boys across the globe jerked off to me with some frequency. How’s that for a newborn-how-do-you-do damsel in very little cinematic distress?”
To wit, one afternoon in Berkeley I found myself walking into a shop that sold rocks and gems.
“Oh my God, aren’t you…the salesman behind the counter exclaimed.
And before he could go any further, I modestly said,
“Yes, I am.”
“Oh my God! I thought about you every day from when I was twelve to when I was twenty-two.”
And instead of asking what happened at twenty-two, I said, “Every day?”
A pro ECT article and other articles on electroshock mention the toes curling.
“When we have taken their shoes and socks off, we would look at their feet and normally what you would see is their toes might twitch or curl up rhythmically,” from https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/17/what-is-ect-and-how-does-it-work
and in the movies how do they show people had sex?”Give Her A Toe-Curling Climax In 15 Minutes”
I think the schizophrenic artwork should be banned as well. ” Look at that crazy art that crazy person made!” Further convincing “normal” people how crazy , the person named crazy is. We do not know the circumstances the artist was under when they use all purple for skin color. M.I.A. uses this art as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
Thanks for your work , Dr Moncrieff, and Dr Steingard. Coming from a now 50 year old , who was diagnosed/given the label of schizophrenia at age 19 and does not take “meds” or drugs. Intelligence and “good” behavior come from a fully functioning mind, not a drugged one.
“I don’t believe that genes have nothing to do with it” is a double negative statement .
Alcoholics like to say alcoholism is a disease , so that they do not feel guilt, so they do not feel the responsibility for their bad choices. This belief in disease is good for the feeling of guilt a person can have can make people go back to drinking in order to try to feel better.
In the religion of Christianity, Jesus died on the cross to provide the way for people to receive forgiveness from their sins.
In the religion of psychiatry. people like to blame DNA and unbalanced brain chemicals for their sins, to remove feelings of guilt and responsibility for bad behaviour, and it works! How do you find forgiveness? You find a scapegoat. Those bad molecules and genes are responsible, not me/not my loving father/not my loving mother!
I find it far more easy to forgive someone if I think they are mentally ill. I am no longer angry at their bad choices and bad behavior because they are not responsible, they did not do it on purpose. Finding forgiveness….
T. Szasz wrote psychiatry is the medicalization of morals. Where “bad” behaviours were previously called “sins”, behaviours made by choice , made by freewill , are now considered a disease.
Most obvious is the childhood disease of short attention span/playing games renamed “ADHD”, where in the past, fear of corporal punishment kept most in line, but today, corporal punishment no longer socially acceptable, authority switched to using drugs , drugging children obedient.
The child now believes they are a disease( for not being a orderly robot), have disease inside them because authority tells them so. This is far worse than a physical punishment( like from a spanking), as they feel/think their diseased soul needs medication. Authority is lying to them and they have no other option but to believe the lie, from the evidence of their own hands/minds playing when they are not supposed to.
Vice and Virtue
1 Lust Chastity
2 Gluttony Temperance
3 Greed Charity
4 Sloth Diligence
5 Wrath Patience
6 Envy Kindness
7 Pride Humility
“In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but one into sickness.
Anger(5), gluttony(2), lust(1), pride(7), sloth(4) are all the symptoms of mental diseases.
Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.”
All humans might choose to sin, or be forced to, so all must have the same “defective” DNA.
Who/what would humans be without our “defective” DNA? We would be robots.
Great article! Great to ask who is paying for the electroshock.
“It is disturbing to learn that public funds in Oregon are paying for ECT for Medicaid-eligible people.”
great story “the staff came to Dean and told him that the drug had worked a miracle”+ “I’ve been cheeking them the whole time.”
Regarding “push these kinds of inquiries”
A quote from the movie the Matrix
“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.”
People can seek the religion and/or the help they want. When the religion (magical pills) is forced on you by your government , that is when things go wrong.
“Why did the authors not control for medication?” because everyone is supposed to be on the drugs/medication, they can not find a sample group to study.
If the sound-voice is real it can be recorded or amplified. If the sound-voice is real there is a direction to it like a left or a right direction. If the sound is real you CAN get away from it, its only a matter of time and distance. The voice can help and/or trick, you never know which it is going to be. You can wear ear plugs in both ears or just one ear. You can play music (louder than the voice) , you can go to outdoor places that are quiet and only have sounds of nature (too quiet for the voice to manifest).
Take photos take notes as in the passage of time we can and do forget the past.
I don’t know if this is applicable, as it is asking the public questions, their opinion/opinion pole . But asking the question to get the answer you want still might work. Comedy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wySaC_z12GY
They did this on Star Trek Voyager. A criminal in transport was on the ship. The doctor looked at him and found defects in his brain. The doctor fixed the brain defects and then the prisoner suddenly could reflect on the wrongness of his crime and offered an apology. Those that were harmed by the criminal actions did not accept the apology.
This story of the future is the reverse of modern psychiatry, which drugs and changes a healthy brain into a damaged one.
if Budda or Jesus were back, would they not have magical powers?
Psychiatry IS a religion. Worship and consume the magical medication that will make you magically “good” instead of “bad” . What kind of sinner are you? schizophrenic and/or bipolar ? There is a medicine for every type of sinner
If things are going badly they increase the drugs instead of reducing them. Maybe the drugs are making the patient worse? so reduce them? You want people to be smarter to see the error of their ways? Then you drug and inhibit their ability to think?
“I expect her to laugh, but instead the psychiatrist looks very serious.” never expect a shrink to laugh, they are trying to be heroes. saving people from themselves. drugging the present moment for fear of the future. the future never arrives, prophesy fulfilled.
Who ever is paying with yellow metal/gold/money gets to make the rules.
Sins existed before psychiatry and have been renamed . Sins like sloth gluttony and so on , do exist and must be recognized for some kind of balance to occur.
Hearing voices. Voice of Pride, “I am all powerful!”(grandiosity) or taking pride in a job well done.
Too proud: In Dante’s Divine Comedy, the penitents were forced to walk with stone slabs bearing down on their backs to induce feelings of humility.
Voice of despair.”I have no power” and sadness versus accepting the things you can not change and feeling serenity.
The researchers are insane and refuse to admit they are insane. Who is to tell them differently? Who has the power?
The next step in the case where someone is wrong , is a higher authority is supposed to judge what is going on, such as the police. But in this world there is no police , there is no higher authority.
Specifically “telling off the researcher” just makes more (false) scientific evidence . When people don’t participate (as can be expected) they remove them from the evidence base.
Though they could be fudging the numbers, like they do in other “science” when they cherry pick numbers, or influence the outcome by removing unwanted material.
Similar person, similar circumstance in Canada killed themselves in prison in order to escape the torture. She was guilty of throwing crab apples as far as I know , what her crime was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Smith_inquest
The religion that isn’t a religion, psychiatry.
“The country is paying bundles on treating people who are not sick”
You are mistaken
The country is paying bundles on treating people who are made sick by drugs called medicines.
regarding “why he made such an abrupt change”.
I would say to keep his (and his relatives of similar) DNA to continuing living in spite of the plans for the master race. His sister is supposedly seriously mentally ill.
Frank How do you differentiate between malingering and “illness”?
You apparently do not consider the treatment that I and others have had from psychiatry have damaged us. I was involuntary, others are voluntary to psychiatry, believing that the doctors heal people. Are both groups worthy of mercy and compassion?
To start the list of damages, in the scientific literature they do note the psychiatric drugs/chemicals/medicines have altered the brain. “You can’t fix stupid” is a well known saying, and I do not think the changes are beneficial.
Other people who have been unjustly imprisoned can get financial compensation for damages.
Tell me Frank do these people who spend years in prison, do they deserve compensation? or should they get back to work washing dishes in the local restaurant?
Frank you are arguing for taxpayers pocket are you not? the same taxpayers that finance and support the psychiatrists? Tell me Frank, who is going to stop the false science of psychiatry? ( as its pocket-book/finances are infinite).
I have a diagnosis of serious mental illness and I do not take psychiatric medications. I do not know if the treatments I have received have made me worse or better, of if the chemicals/drugs/medicines have a permanent (negative) effect on my brain-body.
If magically I was declared healthy I would then have no income and shortly be homeless, so it is in my interest to keep the psychiatric diagnosis of SMI, until a universal basic income becomes standard.
No more sins from the sinners?
Szasz
“Fifty years ago, the question “What is mental illness?” was of interest to physicians,
philosophers, sociologists as well as the general public. This is no longer the case. The
question has been settled by the holders of politic
al power: they have decreed that “mental illness is a disease like any other.” https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Szasz%20update.pdf
I do appreciate the question of “effectiveness of these drugs”, questioning the science.
____________ Why is that guy yelling at strangers on the street?
“The Contest” was the 51st episode of the NBC sitcom, Seinfeld. The eleventh episode of the fourth season, it aired on November 18, 1992.[1] In the episode, George Costanza tells Jerry Seinfeld, Elaine Benes and Cosmo Kramer that his mother caught him unaware while he was masturbating. The conversation results in George, Jerry, Elaine and Kramer entering into a contest to determine who can go for the longest period of time without masturbating.
….
The contest affects their sleep, and the remaining contestants suffer insomnia, while only the people who were eliminated can sleep peacefully.
(Jerry and George. They’re bickering at each other due to the lack of sex)
GEORGE: All you got is instant coffee? Why don’t you get some real coffee?
JERRY: I don’t keep real coffee in here, I get my coffee on the outside! (Intercom buzzes. He answers it) Yeah?!
ELAINE: (Through intercom) It’s Elaine.
JERRY: (Shouting) Come on up! (Opens his door for Elaine)
GEORGE: Where did you get those socks?
JERRY: I don’t know.
GEORGE: I think those are my socks!
JERRY: How are these your socks?!
GEORGE: I don’t know, but those are my socks! I had a pair just like that with the blue stripe, and now I don’t have them anymore!
JERRY: (Sarcastic) Oh, yeah, that’s right, well, you fell asleep one day on the sofa and I took them off your stinkin’ feet. They looked so good to me, I just had to
have them!
GEORGE: Yeah, well, they’re my socks!
JERRY: They’re my socks!
(A brief moment passes as they look at each other)
GEORGE: Oh boy..
JERRY: What are we doing here..
GEORGE: ..Oh boy.
JERRY: This is ridiculous.
GEORGE: Do you believe this? We’re fighting. We’re fighting.
JERRY: I haven’t been myself lately. I’ve been snapping at everybody.
The religion of pill worshipers have a lot of consumers of the object of worship, what a surprise. not.
___________
(Neurologist) “I’m on Zoloft (sertraline). I’ve taken it for 20 years. Don’t like that? Think that means I suck as a doctor? I don’t give a shit.”
I would like to comment back in the days before science most mental illnesses were in fact physical illnesses such as syphilis.
Back in the days before science, they had no blood tests and no penicillin.
That era and today can not ever be compared from because there was no SCIENCE at that time.
People who went to hospital/asylums at the time and who recovered were known as addicts. Once free to resume their addiction many went back to their addiction.
This is not medicine but morals. Locking people up forced them to be moral or abstain from their addiction.
The author is also confused as to what a hospital is and what a prison is. If you can not leave the room you are in, that is a prison, not a hospital. Those in authority do call it a hospital as there is no one to oppose the statement.
“Why were these hospitals successful?” Who reports the success versus failure? The lobotomy was judged a success by those that gave the operation. and the new technique to control the “ill”, given a Nobel prize.
Locking people up does control them and does stop them from abusing drugs and alcohol and such things. You can call it medicine? Who is paying for the medicinal treatment of steel and concrete walls?
“vitamin D supplementation would seem to be no bad thing”
Emptying a bucket, while filling the bucket , is indeed a bad thing if someone is making a living from doing both actions, claiming to be a doctor and helping by adding and subtracting chemicals.
No one can “feel suicidal”, as the title says, because suicide is a complex action. People can feel hungry and tired and hot and cold.
People can THINK of suicide as a solution to the despare or whatever discomfort/pain they are feeling.
The first step to beating “feeling suicidal” is to know it is not a feeling. There are actions you can take to change your feelings. If you feel too hot , you move to where it is cold. You feel too cold, you move to where it is warmer.
If you feel powerless you do something that makes you feel you have an effect on the/your environment. Thou Sisyphus’s rock always rolled down again.
You do know how a human gets vitamin D don’t you? From the sun. If you are locked up in hospital/jail your levels will be lower , + the authority tells patient NOT to get into the sun for increased chance of sunburning when on psychiatric drugs.
It is an advertisement TAC
They are fighting over who gets to jail the prisoner. or Who gets the money to jail-control the prisoner.
From the article
” In 1955, state mental institutions had about 558,000 beds. There were 337 mental hospital beds per 100,000 people in the United States, according to a 2016 study by the Treatment Advocacy Center.
Far too few smaller community facilities opened to make up the difference. Today, there are roughly 12 beds per 100,000 people.”
When I was first introduced into psychiatry in 1987 I also was deprived of water. Besides being tied to a bed. Besides being poisoned called medicine (by jailor-hospital worker) that made me incredibly thirsty.
Any expression of anger from the “help”was viewed as “sickness” and psychosis because they were giving medicine and help to the unfortunate “patient”.
So you get more poison-medicine from your prison guard- hospital worker.
“If a person reduces carefully ” carefully is subjective. I stopped the drugs suddenly with the knowledge it would be horrible.. The longer on the drugs the more brain shrinkage is occurring.
To ask the SMI to exercise while they are drugging them is like asking your prisoner that you put balls and chains (weights) to exercise. Those in control are just as insane as those that they say are insane.
You take the drugs? No?
Exercise (voluntary) helps anyone and everyone. “Better to wear out than rust out.”Jack LaLanne
To find no evidence of benefit for those that do exercise is bizarre.
“Psychotic” can be a rational fear, if living in a bad neighborhood. When you can not afford to lose a dollar ( for food and rent), yes it makes you jumpy and paranoid.
Eric Coates just wrote
“There are even some people who consider the whole practice of modern biological psychiatry to be a form of political oppression. When your problems are blamed on your brain (PSYCHOTIC), for instance, rather than taking into account an abusive childhood or, say, living in poverty and a dangerous neighborhood, all of which might be caused (as there is more abuse in impoverished environments) by the lack of work opportunities or a decent wage that are not being supplied by the capitalist corporations that control nearly our whole economy — well, when you defocus from someone’s environment and experiences like that, and just blame their brain for their problems (which is what you are essentially doing when you persuade or force them to take chemicals rather than address the actual circumstances of their lives), you are, actually, engaging in a form of social and political oppression. By distracting from the real problems, which we could address if we wanted to — things like abuse, poverty, etc. — you are actually reinforcing the status quo. You are supporting a kind of system of abuse and a kind of system of social oppression, in other words.”
The brain can heal, but the person needs religion to be able to forgive what was done to them and the drugging of millions of others. If a person doesn’t/can’t forgive, the person would likely feel or be angry much of the time.
The second part to this article is “THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR PSYCHIATRY, DO THEY THINK IT IS MEDICINE? OR ARE THEY JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS?”
Hitler only had power because he had people behind him. Bad Psychiatrists have the support staff behind them.
After the second world war many of the people working for Nazi’s said the excuse “I was just following orders”. “They would shoot me next had I not complied”
But no one questions those workers that follow and enforce bad psychiatry.
Most notable psychiatry TORTURE since the second world war as Project MKUltra.
” include medication use as a potential confounding factor”
They have the rule that all schizophrenics must be drugged/medicated so they can not find any to study.
Before chained up there has to be a trial, same with “hospitals”. Who is the accuser of madness? Maybe the king and queen are the mad ones? Preventive justice of imprisonment creates the problem that was prophesied.
if it is a magnetic ECT, it looks harmless. no one has complained of memory loss , died from the heart going into Asystole no one went into a continuous seizure.
Then we also have voluntary seekers of medical attention (1) and the IN-voluntary (2), the difference of the two types of “patients” is never spoken of because psychiatry is supposed to be a science.
Making a different language (insults the common man can not understand) to make it seem like science. http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2009/10/fatness-of-ye-arse.html
Man: “M’lord, you have a fatness of ye arse.” [ The man is in a guillotine ] Header: Modern doctors: Doctor: “Mr. Prime Minister, you have acute steatopygia.”
Again , it is who is in power who gets to define illness. If your loved one is using crack cocaine to excess, or alcohol to excess, and now computer/video games to excess you can hire a doctor to say they are ill. Does the person think they are ill? is part of the equation. What physical evidence of illness do you have? Does the person have an income? Does the person have their teeth? Too fat or too thin? too much sugar and salt in their diet…. whoops I went too far…
Mark L. Ruffalo, LCSW July 1, 2018 at 5:02 am “people would still be dying of heart failure.”
No one dies from schizophrenia, if they did there would be pathology reports saying so.
“For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.” Thomas More
Everyone believes psychiatry’s lies of schizophrenia (Thomas More’s make thieves) and then psychiatry punishes ( you call help) the schizophrenic with drugs-chemicals, with societies blessing.
Mark L. Ruffalo, LCSW June 30, 2018 at 10:43 am WROTE even the purest Szaszians would admit that there has been an abundance of research in the past few decades linking what is called “mental illness” with certain biological changes.
Researchers making lots of money. “A federal report calls for $4.5 billion in funding for brain research over the next 12 years”
Szasz thought people were moral beings with the ability to chose. Psychiatry transforms morals (sins) into medical problems.
Again , if the illness is physical in nature ( can be measured unbiased) , then it is no long mental, as in mental illness.
Szasz” The result of such discoveries is that the illness ceases to be a form of psychopathology and is classified and treated as a form of neuropathology. If all the conditions now called mental illnesses proved to be brain diseases, there would be no need for the notion of mental illness and the term would become devoid of meaning.”
I would tell them you have to keep your thoughts secret unless you want to be jailed.
I remember when in hospital-jail, a co-patient woman was so upset she lost her privileges when she said (out-loud) that she was thinking suicidal. ” I am just expressing my feelings, what do you want me to do? Isn’t it healthy to talk about my feelings?”
It is a drug war. Use the correct drugs. We tell you what the correct drugs are. from the article ” people with mental conditions often self-medicate with drugs and alcohol, “
When I was in school we were taught “Morals and Religion” educated mildly about all the different religions in the world. I hope they treat psychiatry as just another religion rather than a science.
People make choices rather than brain chemical imbalances make their choices for them.
You wrote “…harms of medications? Yes. Should the decision be left up to the patient in distress? No.”
Wrong.
You can not prove what ever chemicals, are medications, they are just drugs. You would have to prove a physical aberration to justify applying a physical solution.
A piece of rope controls someone the same a chemical that stops someone from movement/action or thinking of action and movement.
Otherwise authority can lock people up and wait to see if they start to get better, or communicate better. Whats the problem in the first place?
I was literally tortured by psychiatry at the age of 19 on my first breakdown,( now 50). I was given drugs/forced drugs that made me unspeakably thirsty and tied into a bed/gurney. No lawyer. No court. No one to appeal to , to get freedom.
A twisting of justice.
“It is better ten innocent Persons should be found sick-guilty and “helped” (tortured by psychiatric drugs and psychiatric prison), than that one sick-guilty Person should escape.” says Psychiatry.
the original
Sir William Blackstone, who lived from 1723 to 1780, “It is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.”
Second Rosenhan Experiment
“Rosenhan used a well-known research and teaching hospital, whose staff had heard of the results of the initial study but claimed that similar errors could not be made at their institution. Rosenhan arranged with them that during a three-month period, one or more pseudopatients would attempt to gain admission and the staff would rate every incoming patient as to the likelihood they were an impostor. Out of 193 patients, 41 were considered to be impostors and a further 42 were considered suspect. In reality, Rosenhan had sent no pseudopatients.
It doesn’t matter what color your skin is. Too many officers are too angry.
I think the police have to be screened for their psychological likelihood to be too angry.
Everyone hears voices but lie and say they do not.
Voice of hunger. Voice of thirst. Voice of needing to use the toilet. Voice of too cold/ too hot.
Voice of gluttony. Voice of lust. Voice of anger. Voice of greed.
You have the voice of compassion don’t you? Don’t you care for the children? The children need medicine for their mental illness don’t they? Making money selling drugs to the gullible.
Greg wrote the “(medication)” . The drugs are not medication . There is no physical illness. The drugs are to subdue the person like a straitjacket would control them.
Just before nine one one or nine eleven George Carlin asked for some excitement. He starts talking of it at 4 minutes 20 seconds in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKboodmEHTQ his dream of collapse is not happening.
Visible horrors of Willowbrook took 20 years to end . The invisible horror of psychiatric drugs will not stop until the planet kick humans ass. More Floods, Fires, Famines and Pestilence.
The elderly in Nursing Homes have no voting power , no financial power etc etc.
“Revisiting the atrocities that once consumed the halls of Willowbrook State School in Staten Island – WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT”
Sen. Robert Kennedy toured the grounds in 1965. Afterward, he described the horror he’d witnessed.Kennedy referred to Willowbrook as a “snake pit”
“if that violence was drug free.” People can be drug free, but they just quit psychiatric drugs, so are in withdrawal. No one blames the withdrawal from the psychiatric drugs a causative factor in crimes done when psychotic. A famous case in Canada is a man named Vince Li who had had previous experience with psychiatry and their drugs. He could not distinguish reality from imagination and killed – decapitated a person with a knife . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean
The holy psychiatric drug can not do anything bad to a human beings brain and thoughts, when going on , or going off of them. Psychiatry is the worship of magical chemicals and all must worship their God.
How about the criminals that prescribe/force the legal drugs “that contribute to a psychotic episode”? Shouldn’t they go to jail? They made the decision to make the “patient” take drugs.
To measure damage you need a before electroshock testing, to gauge the after effects, and who does this pre testing? ( to show evidence of harm, it is against the interest of those making money from electroshock) The court is rigged in favour of the defendants.
Regarding “Delusions”, I know who the delusional people are. The delusional are those that call a prison a hospital. The delusional think they are helping the “ill” who are being continually drugged (medicated).
No government or society should put people in prison BEFORE a crime has occurred.
That psychiatry has gotten away with, and continues to get away with calling drugs “medicine” is criminal.
You want a direct answer?
3 breakdowns, why did you have breakdowns? too much stress in the rat race? you MUST make money.
depression yes many people have depression and need to find a treatment.
see psychiatrist , should/shouldn’t do? I don’t see that anywhere
take drug, whatever is working for you , you do it
psychologist help , who said it was wrong?
Valium use on a continual basis is bad for the physical brain , like any drug used on a continual basis.
Cocaine alcohol Valium are drugs, you can take them if you wish.
cause of depression, are you kidding me? depression has been around since the dawn of time.
comment at the article THAT IS A LIE
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Kim Murphy Upper Arlington, Ohio
Why would someone with depression stop taking antidepressants? Are they cured? Of course not.
Medications such as Zoloft, in short, regulate seratonin. A shortage of seratonin causes depression. If you’ve not magically started regulating your seratonin production and reuptake on your own, your mood is going to be precisely what it was when you were prescribed the medication, if it was appropriately prescribed to start.
We don’t expect diabetics to wean themselves from insulin. This is no different. Self-tweaking meds is irresponsible and harmful.
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They say the drug is a medicine. I could say cocaine is a medicine and I need a bit every day for my brain chemical imbalance.
They are justifying their drug use by believing and claiming it is science.
RE “why psychiatrist can’t oversee the consequences of their actions”
The psychiatrist believes themselves a HERO, saving the patient from the future. The psychiatrist also gets paid money.
RE”don’t want the pill because they are poison” The patient has to be smart enough to lie, which the drugs may prevent the ability to do so.
Rosenhan said the only thing he could say was ” i am sick and getting better”, as it was what his captors/jailers wanted to hear.
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The SECOND non-existent impostor experiment
For this experiment, Rosenhan used a well-known research and teaching hospital, whose staff had heard of the results of the initial study but claimed that similar errors could not be made at their institution.
Rosenhan arranged with them that during a three month period, one or more pseudopatients would attempt to gain admission and the staff would rate every incoming patient as to the likelihood they were an impostor.
Out of 193 patients, 41 were considered to be impostors and a further 42 were considered suspect. In reality, Rosenhan had sent no pseudopatients and all patients suspected as impostors by the hospital staff were ordinary patients.
Another factor, choice with the success VS failure statistics .
In politics you have an electoral map for each government representative. Depending on how you cut the map up, you can get vastly different results.
Gerrymandering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
In this study of first-episode psychiatry patients, the start of the population was “out of a pool of 1,606 first-episode patients” , then they kept cutting the successful outcomes down to support their point of view. Then called the manipulation science.
“28 patients who couldn’t be found or refused to be interviewed” Dead patients and if the “patient” does not participate, the researcher takes them out of the science, for not being in the army(following orders) or worshiping those that issue the treatments. This is obviously bias. Another example is http://www.progressnp.com/article/patients-experiences-attitudes-towards-ect/
“Sixty patients, who had completed at least one course of ECT during the study period, were identified, of which eight people were deceased (not related to ECT: either due to old age or physical ailments), 11 refused to take part, six could not be traced and five could not take part due to significant cognitive impairment. At the end, our final study sample constituted 30 patients.”
In genuine medicine, if the patient has cancer , the doctor has the real statistics on survivor rates. The doctor gives the patient the choice of going for a treatment for say a 50/50 odds of success.
But in psychiatry the “patient” is usually not given the choice in what ever the supposed ” science” they have to back up the efficacy of the drugs.
“How safe is your medical device? Even regulators don’t really know”
Dennis Fegan had a Vagus Nerve Stimulator (VNS) implanted in 2000.
“…. by 2006, he was repeatedly collapsing and losing consciousness. In July of that year he ended up in an ER after his parents found him passed out in his home.
According to Lenzer, doctors discovered that the VNS wasn’t stopping Fegan’s seizures: it was stopping his heart.
Doctors deactivated his VNS, but Fegan was never able to sue the manufacturer, Cyberonics, because a U.S Supreme Court ruling prevents patients from taking device-makers to court over FDA-approved devices.”
“They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you’re clever and they despise a fool
Till you’re so fucking crazy you can’t follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be”― John Lennon
As bad behaviours used to be choices and by that reasoning sins. If the public did not like a specific sinner they stoned them( threw rocks) at the person . Then about 2000 years ago Jesus taught forgiveness.
Today , as bad behaviours may be resulting from the psychiatric drugs affecting the mind (paradox of drugging the present moment to prevent a possible bad future), the confidence trick is perfect. You learn from your mistakes, you do not take a magical pill to correct them. It is inherit in mankind to make mistakes.
RE” oil slick down the hill I’d been successfully climbing.”
How much is too much or too little? What impartial evidence do you have of disease? Like photographic proof?
You can’t put too much gas on a fire.
Yo can’t put too much cheese in a sandwich.
You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JrIYR8jArk
You can’t give too much medication/drugs to a patient.
RE: Rename it “therapy”
Yes that is happening here. Where the precrime of psychiatric drugging and jail-hospital and freedom of thought collide.
Is it religion or is it mental illness?
You can’t see the paradox in your writing can you? If you are not sick you can not seek help(so you must be sick), you can not get attention you want ( who is paying?) Nightmares come from the unconscious mind , not a medical-physical illness, nightmare come froma fear or a guilty conscious that needs to be confronted, not drugged away.
RE”How to make psychiatry illegal”
The only way a psychiatrist can torture someone is if the psychiatrist has them in a prison, otherwise the person who does not like the “treatment” would run away.
Regarding ““Less Psychiatry Means Less Shootings.”
In the article ” He was regularly taking medication for A.D.H.D. ”
What would they do for his ADHD without medication? Would he be responsible for his inattention? Could a doctor say ” No that’s not a medical issue, sorry” No the doctors would not, the doctors HAVE to treat their patients complaint.
Vince Li was probably made crazy by psychiatry before the crime. “The psychiatrist Stanley Yaren, who later examined Li, said Li was hospitalized in 2003 or 2004” crime date July 30, 2008.
RE:abolishing psychiatry: you cant abolish a religion. People willingly follow the religion of psychiatry for fear of themselves, their possible future actions. Removing psychiatry from the law is possible. No more insanity defenses.
Bible , because psychiatry IS a religion. You must believe the drugs are medicine , and that you need medicine. There are no psychotic molecules, virus or bacteria for an antipsychotic to affect.
The numbers of mentally ill conflict with the idea the psych drugs are working.”from 1987 to 2007, the number of adults on federal disability due to mental illness rose from 1.25 million to 4 million, begging this question: Could our drug-based paradigm of care be fueling this epidemic?” https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mad-in-america/201102/disability-in-the-age-prozac
Those working for psychiatry will also have an inability to see the problem due to Cognitive dissonance. They say things like brain damage from psychiatric treatment is a GOOD thing for the patient.
“Needless annual heart tests” the amount of finding disease VS no disease has to be weighed. If it is you as the 1 in 1000 that is helped you do not think the test was needless.
They got you either way. You don’t hear voices=you are an unfeeling sociopath /psychopath who is overconfident ( no imagination for empathy of others feelings), you do hear voices = you have some kind of mental illness that makes you dangerous, what if he/she listens to the voices?
With the success of deep brain implants for depression they want to try other illnesses.
“From December 2014, seven patients (57 percent women) underwent surgery (in four cases the target was the nucleus accumbens and in three the subgenual area). The most remarkable changes included a progressive improvement in all patients of the social isolation type symptoms and auditory hallucinations. Two patients were dropped off the randomization phase because they presented a noticeable worsening of the symptoms when the generator was switched off. One patient presented complications related to the surgery. The study is currently under analysis and collection of patient outcomes and will be finished in 2017 after one more case is recruited. “
Was there a trial to weight the evidence of a crime? Then you get a punishment. In psychiatry jail/treatment if you get a trial the court takes the psychiatrist opinion as fact. The mentally ill don’t get a lawyer because they say it isn’t a prison, it is medicinal treatment. The prisoners/patients are receiving medicinal treatment.
Julia wrote “become a waste of time to read or comment on articles here” It is as if flies , butterflies, and grasshoppers are caught in a spiders web and are complaining about the web. To break free of the web is most wanted. Some want to transform into a spider like the one that caught them. Some assist the spiders in catching and keeping the various life forms in subservience to the spider.
You know what all the other living creatures are doing on the planet are doing? They are having offspring. Ducks are making baby ducks, geese making baby geese, beaver making baby beaver etc. Who is having offspring?
Psychiatry is a slow motion “euthanasia” instead of a fast and quick death.
Regarding “it is ridiculous to say that the Nazis would not have exterminated Jews without psychiatry.”
You will have to tell several authors who think differently.
Alessandra Colaianni,” A long shadow: Nazi doctors, moral vulnerability and contemporary medical culture” http://jme.bmj.com/content/38/7/435.full
Rael D. Strous, M.D. “Psychiatric euthanasia institutions served as training centers for the Schutzstaffel (SS) who used the experience to construct larger killing centers (Auschwitz, Treblinka, etc.). The psychiatrist Dr. Imfried Eberl, Treblinka’s first commandant and the only physician to command a death camp, established the facility following his experience as superintendent of Brandenburg Psychiatry Hospital (2).” https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.163.1.27
The death of psychiatry starts with number 4 on the list.
4. State laws would be changed to eliminate all references to psychiatrists or their current legally defined functions.
All court cases would be judged on facts that have happened first, not the reason WHY they (what crime? ) happened first.
No one should be sentenced BEFORE they commit their crime they will do in the future.
“He is just selling a book” the elite stand on a pyramid of power, so the base (that supports false science) must be removed . As the wizards/doctors fight amongst themselves, where do they get their power from? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Capitalist_System
“The United States invests a sizable amount of money on treatments for mental health and substance abuse: $135 billion in 2005, or 1.07 percent of the gross domestic product.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21289350
Positive symptoms in schizophrenia refer to an excess or distortion or normal function. Positive symptoms are the ones most typically associated with schizophrenia or psychosis.
From the article “I didn’t know who to turn to.”
What religion to turn to? The “Hare Krishna movement” or the religion of magical chemicals ( chem. lobotomies)?
In adolescence , in males there is a 30 times increase of testosterone. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25151053
Like all animals that compete for females to have offspring, the male is supposed to show how smart, strong or skilled they are with this increase.
If the King(father) and Queen(mother) believe the (lies of the) quacks they will drug their child into following orders with horrible results.
Can’t overtly physically punish the children for wrong behavior, we have to invisibly punish with drugs (drugs called medicine).
If the drug dealer is not selling his drugs to persons A, B, and C , what is his incentive to find and report on the A, B, and C persons? The drug dealer has persons D to Z to sell his drugs to.
If the drug dealer finds people are not enjoying his drugs he will be disheartened and sad.
It is a conflict of interest to find out how people/patients recover, when you are selling drugs(medications for mental illness) for life.
“empower patients” this is a lie. The whole point of the drugs is to dis-empower the patient, to make the person compliant and malleable. They are selling a religion of magical chemicals and do not want to find out the truth, that there are no brain chemical imbalances for drugs to correct.
Sorry Dr. Scott Shannon, another critical comment, as mostly the angry will be motivated to respond, not the happy.
If everyone (adult) is a willing participant in a MDMA treatment, caveat emptor, obviously that is fine.
However , Psychiatry is known to jail people and force them against their will to be treated. Though forced MDMA would likely be better for a persons brain function and memories than a session of ten or so Electroshocks prescribed-forced on the severely saddened.
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You write ” a chemical molecule will finally bury the chemical imbalance theory” and “we have growing evidence that antipsychotic medication damages the frontal lobes of the brain”
Without the chemical imbalance theory for schizophrenia the psychiatrist has no justification for “medicating”(poisoning) their ill patients with antipsychotics, so psychiatry can not bury the imbalance theory.
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There is no police force, no internal affairs for psychiatry.
With no body of oversight to enforce rules , like the Nuremberg code “Required is the voluntary, well-informed, understanding consent of the human subject in a full legal capacity.” what person has ever been charged? Psychiatry will do whatever it wants as it answers to no one.
From Wikipedia article on Lieberman.
“Methylphenidate challenge as a predictor of relapse in schizophrenia.” Authors Jeffrey Lieberman, Kane JM, Gadaleta D, Brenner R, Lesser MS, Kinon B. Am J Psychiatry. 1984 May,141(5):633-8
“Prediction of relapse in schizophrenia.” Authors Jeffrey Lieberman,Kane JM, Sarantakos S, Gadaleta D, Woerner M, Alvir J, Ramos-Lorenzi J. Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1987 Jul 44(7):597-603
“Behavioral response to methylphenidate and treatment outcome in first episode schizophrenia”. Authors Jody D, Jeffrey Lieberman, Geisler S, Szymanski S, Alvir JM. Psychopharmacol Bull. 1990;26(2):224-30
Mood responses of remitted schizophrenics to methylphenidate infusion”]. Authors Robinson D, Mayerhoff D, Alvir J, Cooper T, Jeffrey Lieberman. Psychopharmacology 1991;105(2):247-52
“Methylphenidate response, psychopathology and tardive dyskinesia as predictors of relapse in schizophrenia.”Authors Jeffrey Lieberman,Alvir J, Geisler S, Ramos-Lorenzi J, Woerner M, Novacenko H, Cooper T, Kane JM. Neuropsychopharmacology. 1994 Oct,11
The behavioral effect of m-chlorophenylpiperazine (mCPP) and methylphenidate in first-episode schizophrenia and normal controls.” Authors Koreen , Jeffrey Lieberman, Alvir J, Chakos M. Neuropsychopharmacology. 1997 Jan;16(1):61-8
No way will schizophrenics make past 65 years old with the 20 year average shorter life span. I hope to make it to 60 years old at best/ most optimistic.
And the global map is screwy because north of the Canadian-American border there are fewer cities and fewer people which would make “psychosis” zero persons per square mile.
“psychosis,” as defined by the ICD-10 diagnostic criteria,
I wish there was a real test for psychosis.
George Carlin said he was angry , the rich and the elite call the poor persons anger “psychosis” for not accepting the shick they are forced to eat, smell and handle. Not following orders? you are psychotic.
Higher the human density, the higher the rate of anger? You are driving me crazy!
“The owners of this country don’t want that. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed well educated people capable of critical thinking. That doesn’t help them. What they want are “Obedient Workers” People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paper work and just dumb enough to passively accept the low paying chitter jobs with the reduced pension and reduced benefits.” ADULT LANGUAGE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RhIxxvYtRE
Regarding “I knew a man in a group home who kept yelling at his voices, “F___ you, XXXXs!”
The question you have to ask is “Was he like this before psychiatry, before psychiatric drugs had affected his brain?” more and more drugs is not the solution.
From living in the noisy city I too can yell “F___ you, XXXXs!” but if I am in the silence and serenity of land that is outside the city I feel much better.
If I had a disease like cancer that was aggravated and stimulated to grow when living in the city , doctors would recommend leaving the city. But in psychiatry the living situation (environment) of the “patient” is ignored.
What is aggravating and stimulating some ones “mental illness”? I would say noise pollution of the industrialized city.
Patient 09 stated: “I felt I was 15 years younger after the operation … I felt so strong and confident … I could do anything … I felt so good I tried to move the pool table and I ruptured the disc in my back … I blame DBS for that because I felt so good, I did something that I couldn’t have done when I was 21 and I don’t know why I thought I could do it when I was 54 … I was in a wheel chair for 2 months.”
“as I said before, I would probably be dead years ago.”
Whose hand would have done it?
“In psychiatry, however, one set of rules is used to explain sane behavior and another set of rules is used to explain insane behavior: sane behavior is attributed to reasons (choices), insane behavior to causes (diseases).” http://www.academyanalyticarts.org/szasz-mental-illness
Medicine is for legitimate disease. You take a drug that damages the higher brain functions, where a persons subconscious mind lives. Bad thoughts and bad feelings used to be attributed to sins, as in the choice to think bad thoughts of suicide. If you don’t control your thoughts who does?
You obviously have never experienced torture from mental health professionals, like I have for the fictional illness of “schizophrenia”.
Have you been tied to a gurney? Been poisoned to feel an insatiable thirst, then been denied water for your third? Jailed without trial on the presumption of guilt of future crime?
schizophrenia is an iatrogenic illness. I am a perfect example of it.
Brainwashing is what happens when they first hospitalize/jail the mentally ill patient, for the several months of ” treatment”.
When given the stigma of a “serious mental illness” hope is lost. With no hope the person does not look after themselves for a potential mate ( wife/husband) and the psychiatric drugs make and keep the ” patient” stupid. Stupid enough to follow orders.
” psychiatric medications adversely affect one or more of the three phases of normal sexual response: desire, arousal, and orgasm.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20668442
I don’t know if you remember the Nazi’s.
The cost and the time to stop your enemy from reproduction.
“Radiation
The usual surgical methods, according to Brack, were “out of the question because it takes too long and is too expensive.” But Brack had a preferred suggestion for performing the sterilizations using “castration by X-rays.” For obvious reasons, Himmler had a preference for sterilization methods that would be least apparent to the victims.http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2017/ph241/payzer2/
“All participants with schizophrenia were currently prescribed psychiatric medication”, no schizophrenic patients undrugged?
Those in authority call the drugs medicine, then the patients can not be deprived of a medicine. My third reference at the bottom of this comment “Ho acknowledges that his study is marred by the lack of a placebo control group — for ethical reasons, patients cannot be deprived of the medications they need”
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“Many large studies comparing participants with schizophrenia to control subjects have confirmed significant neurocognitive deficits, with individuals diagnosed with schizophrenia performing about one standard deviation below the norm.”
All the schizophrenics must be geniuses because of only a one point drop in IQ from the psychiatric drugs.
1) Using Imaging to Look at Changes in the Brain. The big finding is that people with schizophrenia are losing brain tissue at a more rapid rate than healthy people of comparable age. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/health/research/16conv.html
“the public has a right to be safe.” Yes , if a person is a proven criminal perhaps the current sentencing time is too short?
Otherwise society should not put people in jail BEFORE they commit their crime.
society should not put people on drugs (called medicine) BEFORE they commit their crime, as the drugs usually increase the odds of crime occurring. The drugs damage the brain, they do not “help” it.
As the people believe the drugs are medicine and not drugs, I think more medicine will be prescribed or forcefully issued.
Only when everyone knows psychiatry prescribes drugs, not medicines, might some kind of sanity occur.
A mathematician is taking his written exam to become a firefighter.
The second to last question is: you come to a burning building, what do you do?
Put the fire out, he answers.
The last question is,”You come to a building you’ve been called to, but it’s not on fire, what do you do?”
Set it on fire, he answers.
Later, the examiner calls him in to ask about that last answer. Why would you set it on fire?
Because, says the mathematician, then it’s reduced to a problem I know how to solve.
I think you are smart enough to carry the analogy over to psychiatry and a patient they have to treat.
Setting the building/patient on fire/ forcing drugs on them ( a physically healthy person), because then the situation is reduced to a problem they have been trained to solve.
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Tyrants never give up their power voluntarily.
Today they directly “stimulate” the brain with electricity (instead of stimulating the genitals, nerves in genitals give sensation to the brain) , and then the “medicinal” treatment can be applied to both male and female “patients” in the guise of science.
The foundation is that people believe the psychiatric drugs are medicine, and they do. Bad behaviour is not a choice but something to be “corrected” by magical chemicals.
Who ever has the gold/money makes the rules. If you have a source of gold/money from providing a service, both the provider and the person/company paying want the deal to continue.
If you are not causing trouble then those in authority will/would have no reason to force a court ordered depot injection or use these new smart pills that tell if the criminal-who-isnt-acriminal has consumed them.
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In the big picture of humans on the planet.
Once women have the knowledge and access to inexpensive birth control they tend not to have children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate#United_States
As psychiatry has successfully converted the act of sinning ( all humans are imperfect/ make mistakes/ basically animals: as in: we need to breath, eat, and sleep like any animal) into psychiatric disease, psychiatry will never run out of new clients to treat.
IMO the only solution to forced drugging is that psychiatry has to be exposed as a religion. There are no brain chemical imbalances . There is no psychotic molecule, virus or bacteria for an antipsychotic to affect.
It is all about following orders from those who have the gold/money.
Psychiatry’s diagnostic criteria is the same as religions diagnostic criteria, where religion has vices and virtues defined. Psychiatry sells drugs for its judgements of disease, in religion the sinner/patient might give money to the church to try to find forgiveness/atonement.
Psychiatry writes your sins down on paper never to be forgotten, while in religion it is up to the individual to remember or not remember their failings . Patients have to make a request for their psychiatry files, not given information, they have to figure out what is “wrong” on their own while the “doctor” watches and laughs.
“…a family member or friend has a more “objective” understanding of the effects of psychotropic drugs.” they (family/friend) don’t have to take the drugs/ do not know the effects of the drugs, so would rather have the angry person drugged.
Psychiatrists like to call people paranoid, when in fact people can be out to get your money (if you have any). Myself I carry a camera when ever in public, If someone starts messing with you , you can take still photos or a video. These photos or videos are for your own peace of mind . To know what you experience was real or not.
Thank you for continuing the debate on the efficacy of the psychiatric drug “antipsychotics”.
Myself I was tortured by psychiatry on my first admission to psychiatry with the use of “antipsychotics”. I endured the sensation of extreme thirst and did not have access to water or a bathroom. I was tied to a bed/gurney.
Today thirty years later , I do not take psychiatric drugs and I am relatively stable . “Stable” meaning out of psychiatric hospital for several years. The relapses in “mental health” I have had , have reasons , not brain chemical imbalances ( to be corrected by a magical chemical-antipsychotic).
Myself , as a supposed schizophrenic, I enjoy the information of that biological psychiatry’s days are numbered at time index 17:08 of the audio.
Another highlight for me is at time 19:16 the ideas of Thomas Szasz is mentioned. If they find proof in the genes then its neurological disease not mental illness.
yes i second stay away. and yes secretly taper or go cold turkey as others beliefs of relapse/belief in false Gods ( the magical holy molecules of science that can only do GOOD) can influence you the “patient”. Pretend everything is normal and fine until it becomes true.
A large part of human interaction is subconscious, visual and vocal aspects. If you think fearful, your face will show fearful and the person observing will be affected. Same goes with anger, if you feel angry your face will show it and people will respond to it.
There is a chance of relapse but as long as I monitor myself, my stability and take action if something is wrong, there is no need to drug the present moment in time out of fear of a possible bad future.
Taking drugs continually came from the discovery and application of penicillin.
“The best available treatment, sulpha drugs, had been administered to little effect. His left eye became infected and was removed on Feb. 3, 1941. The infection then spread to his lungs and shoulder. He was in great pain, with his scalp, face, arms and eye suppurating. Heatley’s diary puts it starkly: he was “oozing pus everywhere.”
On Feb. 12, 1941, he was given 200 milligrams of penicillin intravenously – the largest dose yet – followed by 100 mg every three hours for a total of four injections. Within 24 hours there was dramatic improvement. After a further four injections, his temperature was normal and his appetite returned. He was on the way to recovery. Tragically, the supply of penicillin was exhausted. Ten days later, Const. Alexander began a slow decline, which ended in his death from septicemia three weeks later.
REM sleep is affected by “antipsychotics”.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18840034
People with a hammer justifying their use of a hammer.
My worst nightmare is being in the prison-that-isnt-a-prison called a hospital. and in prison they don’t or cant force you to take poison for a figurative illness.
Maybe nightmares of previous “treatment” and possible future “treatment” are keeping people from sleeping well.
For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.
Sir Thomas More, Utopia, Book 1
English author, courtier, humanist, & saint (1478 – 1535)
If you believe in something, it can come true. The nocebo effect is when you believe you are ill from an authority telling you , “You are ill”.
You can see, type and write intelligently, so therefore you are intelligent. Do not not let worry affect your logical mind of reason. Stay physically active, as in get out of the apartment/house every day. If you appear to to functional and stable, you ARE functional and stable. One day at a time I declare victory.
In the report its written “The suicide rate in schizophrenia between 1875 and 1924” D. HEALY, M. HARRIS, R. TRANTER, P. GUTTING, R. AUSTIN, G. JONES-EDWARDS, A. P. ROBERTS
The British Journal of Psychiatry Feb 2006, 188 (3) 223-228; DOI: 10.1192/bjp.188.3.223
In the time before medical science had microscopes and the four blood types identified, I expect at least half of the mentally ill of that time had physical diseases affecting the mind/brain/feelings/thoughts ( as a reason for their misbehavior).
“…by June 1918, Bruce Robertson (19) had observed three cases of fatal hemoglobinuria in 100 transfusions. Later in the war, preliminary blood grouping became the rule, but, when there were no facilities for laboratory work, his suggestion of a test injection was generally used, particularly in emergencies. If no symptoms occurred within 1 or 2 minutes after the injection of 15 to 20 cc. of donor blood, it was thought safe to proceed with the transfusion.”
How many SMI seriously mentally ill have children? No one talks of this.
That IS what animals do. Eat food , and reproduce.
With the label and psychiatric drugs the person can not find employment and does not have a reason to work without a family.
It IS a jungle out there and almost everyone is working for their own interests.
The most surprising is when your own family wants you drugged out the the fear of the unknown future/fear of mental illness. The King and Queen want to stay in power and will do anything to keep it.
It is like locking people with chains and heavy balls then complaining the person-patient can’t run and jump, when they the “DOCTOR” have applied the restraints.
Before psychiatric drugs-medication I was a reader of books. I have a fair sized collection of books from that time. Today I don’t read ( I find the world too noisy) and I wonder if the drugs affected my brain.
A reading test is one that no animal study can duplicate.
Are you following orders? Good. Then you do not get “keeping people against their will in jailswards which are often unpleasant and sometimes frightening, and where often the only help on offer is drugsmedication “.
Electroshock IS evidence based. In the evidence they remove anyone who does not like the treatment, was injured by the treatment or was killed by the treatment. Then they can call it a success.
maybe those in power DO know it is a scam. putting people in jail before they do crime(psychiatry) and after they do crime. All the white collar jobs and paper pushers are employed, and the people subjugated.
Money can not solve the problem, just like if-when we humans destroy the ecosystem of the planet. Temperature extremes being so severe that life can’t exist, or we humans can’t grow food cheaply any more.
I like evidence based medicine as the proof is in the outcome. When we had Lobotomies the proof was in the outcomes. How the promoters of Lobotomies got the Nobel prize I don’t know.
“Moniz reported that the patient seemed less anxious and paranoid afterwards, and pronounced the operation a success. ”
What about the patient? What did they think of the operation? Can they form the words or the thoughts necessary to complain?
If the evidence is arraigned to favour the treatment, which is done with electroshock , of course evidence based medicine DOES NOT WORK IF THE EVIDENCE IS FALSIFIED and there is no one with the power to question the foundation.
If the supposed doctor removes the patients ability (thought and action) to complain, that is not a successful treatment.
Feelings (unlike thoughts) can’t be argued with , yes. Coming off of anti-anxiety drugs is a very tough feeling that can take days for minor improvement.
I agree that “psychotic” is mostly fictional. The exception is when people are drugged with a mistaken thought in their head, and since drugged can not be reasoned with or self reflect on their chain of logic that lead to their error in thinking.
Thank you for the article! I do not believe psychiatric drugs are medicines. My mind is not diseased.
Rational thought comes from a fully functioning brain.
Szasz says that neither the pro-drug psychiatrists or the anti-drug psychiatrists treats the patient as a responsible moral agent.
Once a doctor starts drugging someone ( two kinds of patients, one wants “help”, the second type of patient does NOT want help). the doctor takes the freewill away from the patient as the drugs have physically altered the brain.
When a doctor declares someone unable to control themselves, then gives the person drugs that physically makes the person unable to control themselves, the doctor is making the future (predictions) come true.
A doctor has to have proof of physical disease first before they apply a physical treatment. Otherwise yes I do agree with locking up ( with due process) people who make serious threats of violence ( out of control people).
Two of my mentally ill friends ( we spent time in hospital-prison together) are happy to be indentured to psychiatry or too stupid to realize they are indentured to psychiatry. The drugs called medicine may inhibit the cognition necessary to perceive and understand their indenturement.
Their cognitive liberty was crushed years ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQJb9PivYRU
Psychiatry is a perfect system but not to the government who has to pay all the bills without receiving genuine service/labour.
Podcast 16 forum does not exist yet on the internet, so no one can comment at that location.
Regarding “Please feel free to email us with topic suggestions or post them in our forum.”
What is mental illness? It means different things to different people.
If you (the person) can ask the question “Am I mentally ill?”, weigh the pros and cons for a few moments, it means you probably are not.
stuttering can be recorded with todays technology and anyone listening to the recording would agree it is a problem in speaking. involuntary action. Mental illness? What?
Tourette’s syndrome I believe can be found by neurology, a physical defect of/in the brain. involuntary action. Mental illness? What?
sleep apnea, again measurable with scientific instruments that anyone looking at the documented evidence could perceive the problem in sleeping. involuntary action. Mental illness? What?
Judgement of sanity through the sight, the sound and the smell of the accused is quackery and will always be quackery.
Applying a permanent label is quackery and will always be quackery because people are continually changing from day to day, month to month, year to year. No injury goes unchanged. The injury either gets worse or gets better. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81YZ7vdbNuL._SY550_.jpg
“Paternalism is at work here.” No, I say it is the matriarchy. All punishment can not appear to be punishment. Hospital not a jail, Medicines not drugs are given. No specific fault or problem is confronted to avoid the possibility of violence.
When the pro electroshock people write their scientific papers they leave out the dead and injured, the dead and injuries that may have come from the electroshock treatment.
The message has to be kept as simple as possible so “we” do not appear crazy in our description of what is wrong.
For instance Torrey is a human brain hoarder , he collects hundreds or brains and can find nothing wrong with them. Except for the consequences to long term drugging.
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There is no psychotic molecule, virus or bacteria. Short and simple.
Yes David, sorry for my first post being so negative.
In hindsight we the “mentally ill” should form demonstrations and educate the public we are friendly and do not deserve punishment. We do not deserve poison those in power call medicine.
We should ask the general public how they would feel if they were forced to take drugs/poison in the demonstration. but this fractures the mentally ill group, as some do, or have to take the drugs to stay “healthy”/mentally stable.
Exposure to sunlight as in exposing the truth is the way to go.
The general public dislikes the mentally ill so much that they removed “so-called incurables” from the original “First they came for…”
1946 version “Dann hat man die Kranken, die sogenannten Unheilbaren beseitigt.”
Als Pastor Niemöller ins Konzentrationslager kam, schrieben wir 1937, als das Konzentrationslager aufgemacht wurde, da schrieben wir 1933, und die damals in die Konzentrationslager kamen, waren Kommunisten. Wer hat sich darum gekümmert? Wir haben es gewußt, es stand in den Zeitungen. Wer hat die Stimme erhoben, etwa die Bekennende Kirche? Wir haben gedacht: Kommunisten, diese Religionsgegner, diese Christenfeinde – “soll ich meines Bruders Hüter sein?” Dann hat man die Kranken, die sogenannten Unheilbaren beseitigt. –
otherwise in English
When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians – “should I be my brother’s keeper?” Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. –
“gives society further justification for manufacturing more and more such ‘losers’.”
This goes to people loving to judge and label others. 2000 years ago it used to be judging sins like adulterer , but back in that time they did not have inexpensive PAPER to write the sins down on. Today with technology, everyone’s mistakes (or alleged sins) are recorded forever on paper.
They priests/psychiatrist do their job mostly for the power , not the money. Otherwise doping people senseless and claiming it is medicine is an easy job with no one in power to critic the doping.
The drugs sold as medicines to prevent further mistakes, make tones of money. But people will always make mistakes. Worse mistakes when on drugs that affect rational thought, but this will lead to calls for more-better magical medicines.
The foundation of the “what amounts to a medical curse” is where the curse/labeling takes place.
Does it take place in a hospital or in a prison?
Why was the person forced to hear/listen to the curse/labeling? In most cases they were in a prison called a hospital. Most cases “helped” by medicinal cement to prevent the performance of the wrong actions or behaviour. A punishment BEFORE the crime has occurred.
If a crime has not happened, then society can not imprison and drug physically healthy people ( no brain chemical imbalance), and give the subjects/”patient” (temporary and current) actions a permanent label/curse. Curse written down on paper so it can not be forgotten or forgiven.
Psychiatric survivors have to keep the duality of the hospital/prison in their mind their entire lives. When speaking to others who do not know psychiatry, must use the word hospital, but with other survivors might use the word prison.
Once you can logically question the legitimacy of where and who placed the curse, you can dampen its power.
In the Christian bible Jesus is reported to have said ” A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit”.
What kind of work do you do?
Psychiatrist’s poison people with drugs and give electroshock to make the victim/patient apathetic and indifferent.
“Apathy and indifference is the final result of all of the most potent psychiatric treatments.” Peter R. Breggin, MD
Papers written for science, for the efficacy of electroshock are junk science when they leave 50% of the source patient/starting number out of the calculations. There is no Internal Affairs division in psychiatry like the police have to keep bad police in check.
I know Robert Jay Lipton from the book “The nazi doctors: Medical killing and the psychology of genocide”
Bandy X. Lee, M.D. is the author of “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump”
Judging someones actions is a judgement of morals, which is religious and not medicine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_reasoning
If they were police judging his actions it would be criminal or legal actions they are trying to determine.
I was given the description/diagnosis of severe mental illness at age 19 and I did try to suicide to escape from the feelings of pain/horror/despair. The psychiatric diagnosis gave me a final reason to end my life (no hope of a future) and the psychiatric drugs gave me a means of how to do it.
Obviously I survived.
In fear of the (unknown) future people poison themselves (with psychiatric drugs) in the present moment by choice or from the intimidation of their psychiatrist( pseudo mother/father authority).
Many people can have a much more productive life off of the psychiatric drugs that inhibit cognition and physical activity.
Doctors want their patients to be, to think smart and then poison the brain? That is crazy.
If genetic defects become commonly repaired then that is another reason to end coercive psychiatry.
There is no physical defect in the human being (brain) to justify forced treatment.
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Oh the poisoning works, it stops the patient/slabe from exhibiting any unwanted behaviour. The outside person such as the family is happy for the control. Who pays the psychiatrist? The schizophrenic is not paying the supposed doctor.
“People labelled by institutional psychiatrists as mentally ill are concurrently defined by the courts as less than human, in much the same way ‘Negroes’ in America were once defined as three-fifths persons. This is how Black people were, and people with mental illnesses are, deprived of liberty and justice by the state. Labelling of anyone as less than human is legal fiction, something false that is asserted as true, that the courts will not allow to be disproved. Just as defining Negroes as three-fifths persons served to maintain the institution of slavery, defining people as mentally ill serves to maintain the institution of psychiatry.
A person has a right to refuse treatment for cancer. A person does not have a right to refuse treatment for mental illness. If institutional psychiatrists are deprived of their power by the state to deprive mentally ill persons of their liberty, that is, if the state did not allow psychiatrists to enslave their patients in the name of liberating them, institutional psychiatry would go the way of slavery, as well it should.” wrote J. A. Schaler.
Regarding “individuals using antipsychotic drugs had no documented psychiatric diagnosis.”
If I had a broken leg twenty years ago and I go to see the doctor, will he/she put a new cast on my healed leg? No, because too much time has passed. Similarly the application of psychiatric drugs on to people who had a history of taking psychiatric drugs is insane.
Age 18 and not responsible for your actions ?
“In physics, we use the same laws to explain why airplanes fly, and why they crash. In psychiatry, we use one set of laws to explain sane behaviour, which we attribute to reasons (choices), and another set of laws to explain insane behaviour, which we attribute to causes (diseases).” Szasz
I looked quickly through it, and may have missed it, but I saw nothing on cause and effect of the drugs/medications. For example the patient gets a diagnosis then is forced or willingly takes drugs/medications for the non-physical illness. These drugs/medications then do make a person unwell.
Similar to the chicken and egg paradox, when withdrawing from the drugs is it mental illness returning or simply drug withdrawal?
Only a robot might have a perfectly even temperament.
Confidence trick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick
Exploiting the person and/or the families fear of madness ( madness returning).
Regarding “Abolish forced treatment”
Forced treatment = Jail or putting people in jail BEFORE they commit crime.
As long as the insanity defense is valid in the legal system…
“Involuntary mental hospitalization and the insanity defense should be seen for what they are: symmetrical symbols of psychiatric power. In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty.” (Szasz, 1982)
If you can’t feed, cloth and have a home what do you do? Szasz said something like. Can you walk up to a prison and say “Let me in?” I need food and shelter.
As a patient/inmate I had to do “Art therapy/occupational therapy” while poisoned ( can’t see, can’t talk, little hand control), or you don’t get our of prison/hospital. So I got no love for Art.
In 1993 Richard Bentall went a bit mad.
He voluntarily took an antipsychotic drug and at first thought he’d get through unscathed.
“For the first hour I didn’t feel too bad. I thought maybe this is okay. I can get away with this. I felt a bit lightheaded”Then somebody asked him to fill in a form. “I looked at this test and I couldn’t have filled it in to save my life. It would have been easier to climb Mt Everest.”
That was the least of his troubles. https://davidhealy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Richard-B-goes-Mad.pdf
Opiated – The Tragically Hip
Well, the medicine man started seeing red
You think the snake just dreams up the poison in his head
Well, addicted to approval, addicted to the air
It was see if you like it or see you on up there
The Luxury-The Tragically Hip
Prison yard stares and fleur-de-lis tattoos
Cannibals are saving all their bones for soup
Eating with my fingers and sucking hulls of ships
My parasite don’t deserve no better than this
yes that is the correct answer, stay away from psychiatry. Only you can leave the equation, the “doctor” is compelled to keep helping. My two hands drawing each other icon image.
Psychiatry is the new form of slavery.
Euripides, in “The Phoenician Women” wrote “Who dares not speak his free thoughts is a slave.”
Today’s slave owners do not even allow the slave a mind to think with.
Normal people work a job for their family, house and car. The mentally ill generally do not have any children, do not have a house, do not have a car. What are they working for?
And without the rights of a normal person. Get sectioned for not obeying orders.
its not a prison its a hospital, we are not drugging people we are giving people medicine, as its a hospital the prisoner-who-isnt-a-prisoner needs no rights, needs no Miranda rights. The system is perfect if it wasnt it wouldnt exist.
And not bullshit cause of death reports like ” I’m going to say he died of natural causes and I’m satisfied he was well looked after.”” https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
This coroner should lose his license to practice , but no one mentions lying on a report is ? criminal because he is being “kind” to the family. “Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.” wrote Thomas Szasz in his book Cruel Compassion.
Legal drugs of alcohol and tobacco are used , so I have no problem with people taking prescription drugs to cope with life. Power and control of the dope dealer is the problem.
Like quitting smoking, I support cold turkey quitting , though I do not think it is easy at all.
The longer on the drug the more damage is occurring to the brain. A person usually heals from injury, electroshock included.
“The main outcome of interest will be social functioning along with relapse, side effects, employment, and costs”
Regarding employment, F U ! What does a SMI person want with employment? I will work for those that tortured and jailed me unjustly? You got to be kidding me.
You going to remove the SMI status from my medical files? Give me years of my life back that were lost to your worship of magical molecules? F U.
Yes kindredspirit, people make choices to use drugs or not. Unless the drug is forced on them by a psychiatrist. Psychiatry is addicted to prescribing and can not stop.
Children can not BE mentally ill. As mental illness is defined by behavior and children can not control their behavior as is why they are named children.
“Because the mental diseases that supposedly afflict children are undeniably misbehaviors, and because the child mental patient is in an even more helpless position than the adult mental patient, child psychiatry is a doubly problematic enterprise.” “Child psychology and child psychiatry cannot be reformed. They must be abolished.” Szasz
Yes the psychiatrists are stupid to put people in jail BEFORE they have committed a crime. “In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty.” Szasz
In short, with the passage of time in jail and drugs, psychiatry can make people sick, as they have claimed the person is.
What would the world do with (unchained) undrugged psychiatric patients? Properly conditioned, most patients like their chains.
Thank you for the article Philip Hickey.
If you compare the psychiatric drugs to chains, the persons that chains the slave will of course say the chains are helpful in controlling the behavior of the slave.
I found one error ” But psychiatry can’t turn non-illnesses into illnesses. ” under the heading “BUT… IS PSYCHIATRY REFORMABLE?”
I was diagnosed schizophrenic at age 19 I am now 49 and have rejected the psychiatric drugs as much as I can because I like my brain and think it functions fine.
Friends I have known since we were in hospital(jail) together when we were 19 (we made friends there) think that I am (now) a genius. In fact, I have average intelligence but I do accept their compliment.
They tell me I am smart because otherwise (if I was average) then they would be stupid, and no one wants to think of themselves as stupid. I wonder what their brain volumes would look like in a MRI scan after the thirty years of drugs they have consumed.
The long term use of psychiatric drugs does make illness in its subjects. The long term use of psychiatric drugs damage the brain, and when it does so it fulfills the prophesy of the psychiatrist that the person is ill.
If or when my friends discontinued the drugs over the thirty years they would have withdrawal symptoms. Symptoms like insomnia and “strange” thoughts. In addition they were never given/taught skills to handle their emotions of anger and such, so they always went back on the drugs. They were successfully taught to fear their emotions, that their emotions were diseases.
Very few understand that the psychiatric drugs affect the brain like the drug alcohol affects the brain to think/work.
Only God knows how responsible she was for her actions. With alcohol they do have a known limit of 0.05 grams (50 milligrams) of alcohol in every 100 millilitres of blood.
The pharmaceutical company drugs can only do “good” things to a persons brain according to the brainwashed public, and there is no one making billions in profits to be able to publish contrary information about the drugs.
“ensure that foster children’s informed consent is obtained and documented.”
It is the crazy world of “it’s got electrolytes”/idiocracy 2006 film.
Children can not give ” informed consent “. They have no choice for one thing, for a second, children can not enter into legal agreements as they are under the age OF consent.
“in the end we ALL have the right to decide whether or not we want to live or die.”
That IS correct.
If a person is STUPID enough to talk about suicide ( they don’t know “we ALL have the right to decide”) they should be locked up.
Flip your statement around.
“People need to openly talk about such thoughts without judgement or threat of incarceration in a hospital.”
to
“People need to openly talk about their thoughts about killing others without judgement or threat of incarceration.”
Does it make any sense? http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/middleeast/al-qaeda-branch-yemen-united-states/index.html
“Mark…. I hope you will reconsider your position.”
I can see no alternative. If person “A” threatens to kill person “B”, person “B” can complain to the police. If the police find sufficient evidence for the complaint, they can charge person “A”. Person “A” gets some kind of punishment.
If person “A” and person “B” are the same person , a person threatening suicide, bystanders and authority can not just watch and wait for the person to kill themselves.
Talk of suicide has to be put back in the closet where it belongs. If you talk of suicide you should get locked up. Jail-hospital interchangeable.
People have confused the feeling of despair with the action of suicide.
Thank you Lauren Andersen, for trying to police the psychiatry system.
Myself , I think the worst part of being jailed (before I committed any crime) was the psychiatric drugs they call medicine.
Everyone in the system is being paid, whether they do good or bad, if they follow the rules or don’t follow the rules.
I, unlike others at MIA do believe in involuntary commitment, but with just cause , involving a genuine court hearing of evidence.
Those held in prison-hospital have to be given a reasonable method to get out of the prison ( imagine it was YOU mistakenly imprisoned!), and/or the punishment/treatment must fit the crime ( with the crime having occurred first, not after psychiatry).
schizophrenia is not a disease. How do you catch it? How do you die from it?
“schizophrenia” is the modern day equivalent of calling someone a witch . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
No way to scientifically prove (blood test, X-ray et cetera) you are, or are not a witch/schizophrenic.
Regarding “….Allen Frances. Frances was the chair of the DSM-IV taskforce and has written extensively about ADHD overdiagnosis and overmedication of children.”
I disagree that the psychiatric drugs are medication. The children are not being over-medicated, but over-drugged.
In my generations time we obeyed authority out of fear due to the Patriarchy. Today fear can not be induced in the child due to the Matriarchy being in power. Most coercion today is done with drugs renamed as “medicine”.
Your (bad) choices are not your fault “We are helping you with medicine!”
What will be the outcome? http://eastloshigh.com/thesiren/sagging-pants/
To protect the patient from hurting or killing themselves the obvious solution is to keep the patient/prisoner in hospital/jail .
The helpers now have scientific evidence now to support unlimited hospitalization/detention. http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2879#comic
In the animal kingdom, the rule is, eat or be eaten; in the human kingdom, define or be defined. – Thomas Szasz
If the defined person does not stay ill, they were misdiagnosed, a circular logic explanation of a fraudster.
A typical person does stay ill when poisoned on a daily basis. Poison voluntarily taken on the belief that it is medicine. How did the belief take place? Several months of being conditioned in a jail , the jailer calls a hospital.
If I don’t take my medicine I can’t sleep at night. If I don’t take my medicine I start having some strange thoughts.
To Richard D. Lewis, you wrote “by forcibly incarcerating and drugging”. The mass population believes in the mistake of a “brain chemical imbalance” and that the psychiatric drugs are medicine ( not drugs). This has to be changed.
Forcible incarceration can be justified as a mercy on someone whose emotions are larger than their rational logical mind.
An example of mercy is someone who proclaims (to many witnesses) they plan to kill themselves, the bystanders can not stand by and do nothing. If a person instead of suicide threats, threatens to kill someone else the can be charged with a crime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offences_against_the_Person_Act_1861#Threats_to_kill
In the case of threatening someone else’s life, they do not give or force “medicine” on to this person, similarly they should not give or force “medicine” on to the person threatening suicide.
Regarding a similar chart. I imagine NOT drugging the patient with poisons and waiting for “psychosis” to end naturally/ discussion of problem rationally/ physical problems discovered ( example. chronic lack of full sleep, B12 deficiency) and corrected.
Once the victim gets a “diagnosis” the sadists/demons get to torture the victim… and they get PAID to perform the torture service.
Dr. Thomas Story Kirkbride and any other doctor at the time were genuine quacks as medicine still had not found the four blood types and had not discovered penicillin.
Regarding “sowing seeds of untruth”. It is they, the psychiatrists who are sowing the seed of fear (of the future). A fear of life without an antipsychotic/a magic pill. A life without a psychiatrist. But reason and logic come from a fully functioning brain not a drugged/medicated one.
Bible “A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was sowing, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. Some fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil. They sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. But when the sun rose, the seedlings were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seeds fell among the thorns, which grew up and choked the seedlings. Still other seeds fell on good soil and produced a crop—a hundredfold, sixtyfold, or thirtyfold.”
How many successful psychiatric patients on antipsychotics VS psychiatric patients off of drugs?
Success being defined as employed and having children. All the other living creatures on the planet have offspring to be considered a success.
I am now age 49. I was diagnosed seriously mentally ill at age 19. If I had taken the psychiatric drugs continuously I would be worse off today from the brain damage. Numerous studies show brain damage from psychiatric drugs. I and all mentally ill people need a fully functioning brain for reason, to be able to reason and communicate.
Any sane person knows you should not punish people before they commit a crime (those in authority image will happen), only after a crime. I never committed any crime to justify my drugging at age 19.
Thank you for criticizing the system Robert Whitaker.
Hopefully, in the future many peoples lives will be extended and they will become better functioning people. Not just slabs of living meat.
“But the problem with them is that they still make the substance the enemy.”
Is the Devil/Satan a real physical object? as an enemy.
Or as a ally , was God really a burning bush appearing to Moses?
For people to have successful lives I think they can blame the physical substance. (correctly)
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“You make choices. Your genes don’t”
Sometime people make the wrong or bad choices. As no one is perfect.
During physical and mental withdrawal people hear the “devil” temp them to drink/use drugs again, and people naturally do fall to temptation.
How do you forgive yourself for your mistakes? Some can’t forgive so keep using the drug to cope, to feel better. (with their physical health declining from the poisonous effects of a foreign substance)
Blaming a substance is legitimate , as the person is not their true selves when their mind has been altered by the substance, or the damage to their cognitive ability.
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If a licensed doctor prescribed to a patient a substance that alters the patients mind in a wrong way (instead of the intended “right” way), who is responsible?
When I asked my psychiatrist this question-idea she called me “dangerous”.
Roger Griggs, …. said, “There’s no way on God’s green earth we would ever promote stimulants directly to consumers”
The doctor and the pharmaceutical Co. accuse each other of doing the damage.
No God to lay judgement.
Will society self implode from all the children being harmed?
Regarding “Allowing writers to turn off comments”
This would go with the supply and demand for new material for the website. If there is a lack of material for the website, yes I agree with allowing writers to turn off comments.
If comments are disabled on a post it is a reflection on the writer and no big deal in my opinion.
Keeping the website healthy is the most important thing as it is a place for disseminating alternate opinions and facts on the success of psychiatric treatments.
Yes firstly it may be some kind of colorblindness or physical difference. Secondly, myself as a child wondered what those in authority would do when I told a harmless lie.
One time as a child I told a lie of the sink drain backing up and this bunch of dirt coming out. My mother went along with my fictional story , while my father got angry at the lie and said it was impossible for the dirt to back up. So I knew at that point who was going to confront a lie.
Perhaps these children who report red for green colors are not psychotic and are testing the intelligence of the adults?
Unusual Beliefs and Behaviors vs. Objective Realities and Truths.
Who is crazy is relative. Who has the power to define reality?
The disenfranchised has to be able, and have the skill to repeat the lies of the powerful back to them.
A prison that is called a hospital because those in authority want it called a hospital, and for the family of the imprisoned to believe the loved one is getting medicinal treatment and not punishment.
Poisons voluntarily and involuntarily given/taken called medicine because otherwise psychiatry would be just a talking experience akin to a religion. And we can’t have a forced religion.
Morons at the website to have such an unflattering photo of Dr. Catherine Sarkisian January 6, 2016 on display. It looks like she is about to have a seizure in the (still) photo.
“acute need for medication” wrote Vlado C. May 1, 2017 at 6:32 pm
WTF? You purposely stayed awake to bring on a mania.
That is not something a responsible adult would do.
You are not a “patient” but a drug (ab) user and need a legitimate source for drugs. That is not medicine.
Prove you have some physical defect ( that you did not cause yourself) , then a doctor would be issuing medicine, otherwise it is legal drugs.
You write of wanting over the counter Ativan in anther post. If you do not know the withdrawal consequences from Ativan, then you are truly inexperienced in the mental health world.
Asking doctors to find evidence of harm from electroshock in their patients is like asking the Tobacco industry to look for various cancers in people that use/buy their product. They do not want to stop selling a product/service.
“Psychosis” is a bullshit word. What is psychosis? A conflicted inner dialogue? Written of in the bible.
Matthew 19:22 Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth.
re”so what I get what 6 months in jail”
You will not be judged a criminal for violence but instead a dangerous mentally ill patient and poisoned ( they call medicine) for the rest of your life.
A previous post on the end of psychiatry https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/04/what-if-the-folly-is-in-us-too
” And if we stop calling them patients, are we ready to treat them as full citizens, make them face the consequences of their behavior like everyone else, including being hauled before a court if they break the law?”
You got it backwards. We first stop calling the psychiatric medicines , medicines. The chemicals psychiatry prescribes are just drugs, for there is no physical illness in the patient.
Then with no “medicines” to issue to your patient, who are you doctor? Are you a doctor? How do you differentiate yourself from a religious leader who also uses words to treat his congregation?
Normal people want to kill and such , as it is reflected in the number of video game sales of Grand Theft Auto. “Mass shootings” is what many wish do to one day when they “snap”.
” And if we stop calling them patients, are we ready to treat them as full citizens, make them face the consequences of their behavior like everyone else, including being hauled before a court if they break the law?”
You got it backwards. We first stop calling the psychiatric medicines , medicines. The chemicals psychiatry prescribes are just drugs, for there is no physical illness in the patient.
Then with no “medicines” to issue to your patient, who are you doctor? Are you a doctor? How do you differentiate yourself from a religious leader who also uses words to treat his congregation?
A Piano Lesson
“Under my tutelage, you will play the piano better than Rachmaninov himself.”
“But you have cut off my hands.”
“This is a very good quality piano, and I would like you to play it now.”
“I can’t play it because you have cut off my hands.”
Cutting the legs off a frog, then surprised when the frog doesn’t jump any more, or reattaching the legs then wondering why the frog doesn’t jump like it did .
Those in power are insane.
They have to prove a deficit or imbalance in brain chemicals to justify the addition of a drug to a healthy patient, and they can not.
I’m feeling hungry so I’m going to jump off a cliff. I’m feeling my colon is full so I’m going to jump off a cliff.
NO I prepare some food if I feel hungry. NO , I go to the toilet if my colon is full.
No one can feel suicidal.
People feel hopeless/lonely and think of the complex action of suicide as a solution. Who taught them this?
There is a STEP between feeling, and the action of suicide. They are NOT one and the same thing. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/one-and-the-same
How many of these people “feeling suicidal” are having pleasurable sex?
One of the signs “They’re sleeping too much or too little.”
This is a joke right? Tell me this is a joke.
“This porridge is too hot!” she exclaimed. So, she tasted the porridge from the second bowl.
“This porridge is too cold,” she said. So, she tasted the last bowl of porridge.
“Ahhh, this porridge is just right,” she said happily and she ate it all up.” The Story of Goldilocks and the Three Bears
You do know both the boys and girls are becoming capable of reproduction from a massive increase of hormones.
Making the boys girls? and vice versa making the girls boys, so everyone is equal. Everyone has to be equal.
“What’s the point of treatment and going through years of agony and finally getting vastly better only to be told that there is no goal line I can possibly cross that will lead to me being undiagnosed?”
Regarding “drug, drug, drug mentality of so many of the people in the mental health services business” it is a religious belief in magical chemicals to make people “good” instead of “bad”. Doing something bad? He/she must be off their medication.
Constipation can make anyone feel badly, lead to a short temper, depression, and impact appetite/enjoyment of food . The psychiatric drugs that are designed to interfere with brain biochemistry also interfere with the stomach/colon biochemistry.
“Most of my patients have a very good understanding that there is a close connection between their emotions and their guts. But there are still very few neuroscientists who understand the complexity of this enteric nervous system and its links to the brain.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201111/your-backup-brain
I request the date and those responsible for the study of gluten and 36 mentally ill persons. I have heard this story many times but do not have the documented proof to reference to others who disbelieve.
Psychs are not insane in that they get paid for their actions, actions of drugging people and calling it medicine. The money in which the charlatans get paid in to do their work, does not really exist.
Well a 50 % chance at least, which is pretty good odds. Proof here “The percentages of antipsychotic-treated older adults with long-term use were 53.7% (70–74 years), 49.2% (75–79 years), and 46.2% (80–84 years). ” http://www.psychiatrist.com/jcp/article/Pages/2015/v76n10/v76n1021.aspx
Regarding “dissolving psychiatry as a profession”. The profession of psychiatry can never be dissolved as long as the law requires the accused to be “sane” at the time of the incident, presently and understand the charges against them. If both the prosecutor and defense attorney agree before a trial that the defendant is insane ( found not to be criminally responsible), the accused goes to a psychiatric prison rather than a criminal prison.
I would say until the law changes , until court cases are based on the facts of evidence first Who, What, Where, How, then the reasons WHY the crime occurred are asked second, the profession of psychiatry is secure.
Great news!
Regarding “unless it can take on more difficult patients too” is it a prison or a hospital? Is the patient/prisoner angry or psychotic? Those in authority call the persons behaviour psychosis instead of anger and drug them silent in their prison they call a hospital.
what are they laughing at us for? the specific reason? they are making money from the diploma or whatever credentials they have. With this job they have in mental health they have money to spend, spend as they wish.
What are you fighting against? Forced drugging? You are not following orders?
The only function of a psychiatrist is to drug the patient.
Anger at psychiatry can be converted to comedy/humor with imagination.
Voluntarily taking a poison/medicine every day makes some one humble. If a person consciously stays humble (every day) by remembering the mistakes they performed in the past they do not need the symbolic act of taking a poison.
Psychiatry never forgives, they write the mistakes all down on paper, where a broken leg diagnosis is a broken leg diagnosis forever.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” Szasz.
Regarding the drugs/meds, you will get better , in the same way as a weightlifter gets better when lifting weights. Through repetition you will become better.
I say this as I , at age 19, was forced/given powerful antipsychotic drugs for several years (off and on) and today at 49 am doing okay. I have the gift of sight , the ability to hear, the ability to walk and talk.
If you keep looking at the negative, the negative will be apparent , so look for the good things. Similarly to the advice of when you drive, look at the road you want to take, not the tree on the side of the road you fear you will hit.
Thanks for writing this piece, sharing the information you have.
Regarding “What do I tell a family whose child comes to see me…”
Myself, I do not believe in giving/forcing drugs (others call medicine) to children, as in “no behaviour or misbehaviour is a disease” . T. Szasz.
I don’t know how anesthesiologists can justify their actions on a patient before electroshock, but they have some rational.
Do whatever your conscious lets you live with, but you shouldn’t take advice from an un-“medicated” schizophrenic.
Those that survive psychiatry often have emotional defects as well as intellectual defects that prevent them from both employment and organizing against those that damaged them.
“You know how many books and websites are promoted on mad in America.”
So its bad if someone is trying to sell a book against selling drugs-for-life, but it is okay that the drugs make billions in revenue for Pharma company. Right.
Dr. Allen Frances stated 39 Billion dollars being made a year by Pharma Companies.
Mad in America Film Festival Panel. Running time 48:04. The time of speaking is at 5:55. Date (video) Published on Oct 24, 2014 . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcqWa2r6bOA&feature=youtu.be&t=5m55s
If the drug comes from a doctor(prescription+pharmacist) it magically becomes a medicine.
I as a “schizophrenic” must take a fictional cure, (a medicine to the doctor, a poison from my perspective) , for my fictional illness if authority deems it necessary.
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz”
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A drug is a luxury you don’t truly need to live.
A medicine is a necessary treatment for a real (physical) disease.
A medicine has a start and finish date, a drug does not have a finish date.
A good clue that it is a drug , is if they give free samples.
Just like the old dope peddler.
“He gives the kids free samples
Because he knows full well
That today’s young innocent faces
Will be tomorrow’s clientele”
” a guy who ha experienced severe mental health sickness.”
I got that also. But, Where did it/does it come from? and do drugs make it worse?
Alcohol or crack do help people for a time, but the person was not lacking in alcohol or crack in their brain.
what is the “biological component ” in plain English?
” This (DeepBrainStimulation) worked for a month or two but soon the suicidal thoughts returned.
In February 2010, Mrs Cook was asked if she would trial an even newer form of treatment – Anterior Cingulotomy (GTAC) that involved burning out connections in the brain that were too active. ”
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Sorry you got needled/stuck(?) and administered a mind altering drug. The psych drugs could kill some one, but the person/patient/prisoner officially would not die from the drug, as the magical drugs can only do “good” things to a human being.
“neuroleptic malignant syndrome (NMS)” is one of the official descriptions.
My advice in such a situation where the police show up to the inconsequential action of taking down of a flyer, is to LIE to the police and say “No I did not take down the flyer. What are you talking about?” The onus( the burden) is then on the accuser to prove you did something wrong or criminal.
One of the signs of “sanity” is the ability to lie, if you can not lie it means you are insane.
And the drugged mentally ill have, on average a 25 year shorter life, AND brain shrinkage from the “medicine”. BUT the brain shrinkage is a GOOD thing. “decreasing brain volume could also be responsible for the beneficial effects of the drugs” http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
Who is the mad one?
They put people in prisons that they say are not prisons.
Mary Barnes” she painted the walls with her own faeces until they gave her paint to use instead.”
“locked in a strange room. What if halfway through their trip they were given drugs that numb the mind and make it difficult to think or move clearly?”
This would make any sane person angry. Then they call the anger in the person “psychosis” and re-drug the “patient” for life for not liking the medical help, as the drugs stop ANGER in the patient.
Also the family of the patient/victim will not know or understand the experience of imprisonment and drugging, so will believe the allegations of insanity in the patient/victim, for the amount of anger in their loved one. And ANGER in the mentally ill must be drugged silent, don’t you know mentally ill people are dangerous?
A sweet system and set up of money for life for the Pharma Co. and fraudulent doctors.
Before chronicity there is no evidence of a brain disease in addiction, but after some time of use, the brain changes and the changes can be seen on today’s technology.
Whose problem is the addiction? Those who have to pay the cost.
Those addicts who want to quit should be helped to quit, not punished further. Only in forgiveness can an addict reform. Giving addiction a disease designation can stop the guilt that addicts feel for succumbing to their bodies urges for drugs, as the bad feeling of guilt leads to MORE drug use.
After the addicts brain changes back to “normal” after it heals, they would no longer have the disease, and it would be up to freewill once again.
To recover after psychiatric drugs, the person has to look after themselves and (self) moderate their mood from the inside, unlike the moderation that came/comes from the outside in the form of drugs (by force or willingly).
You wrote “When seroquel was prescribed she got better”
You conveniently leave out the details.
What was wrong with her that seroquel was prescribed? How do you define “got better”? Would she define herself as “got better”? I think not. That was not medicine.
The seroquel medicating/drugging is equivalent to hiding the problem( unresolved emotions-thoughts). Like hiding dirt, by sweeping it under a rug. After a time, you can no long hide dirt under the rug due to the quantity of dirt.
“After quitting the medication,”The slave has revolted, took off the chains. If the slave is disobedient to authority , those in power will force the chains back on.
Cognitive decline will happen to all of us, given enough time.
Senility and physical disability will occur, making the person dependent on those around them for support/help until the person dies.
Regarding “can it last for months?” yes. You are telling us from age 52 to 62 your mom took seroquel?
If your mother can not look after herself, as in pay the bills, get groceries and feed herself, keep herself, clothing and living area clean, then some one must be in charge of her. The person in charge wants the person under them to follow orders, and sometimes psychiatric drugs can dampen the subordinates/slaves fight or disobedience.
Aggression can come from feeling pain, as in anger usually has a reason. Where can pain come from? The feeling of hunger and the opposite , the feeling of constipation.
If a person displays anger from either feeling, they get more psychiatric medication/drugs for their bad behaviour. ( but the drugs affect the nerves in the intestine/colon/stomach the same as they affect the brain, so it is an endless cycle of drugging)
P.S. The psychiatrists are crazy themselves when they say a prison is not a prison, it is a hospital ( people can’t leave), the drugs they issue are not drugs, they are medicine( there is nothing physically wrong in the patient for the drugs to affect).
You wrote “Lobotomies were still being performed in Ms. Reynolds’ time but are unthinkable now.”
In hundreds of thousands , lobotomies still go on every day with the slow brain shrinkage from psychiatric drugs. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
In a few hundred, quick lobotomies are still performed, and we still have electroshock brain damage. “Gamma Knife at Rhode Island Hospital ” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwoMvc_CNBE
“Like most who have been though the mill and exited the other side,”
Keeping ones “Mental health” is never over, you never know what is around the corner.
Regarding the answer of “a mountain of institutional inertia” for “Why are so few practitioners using them?(non-drug approaches)
I disagree. The answer is simply what would a psychiatrist-doctor be without medicine(drugs)?
What would distinguish them from a doctor of divinity?
“To distinguish himself from the doctor of divinity, the doctor of medicine could not simply claim that he was protecting people from sin, or vice as Rush put it. Badness remained, after all, a moral concept. As medical scientist, the physician had to claim that badness was madness, that his object of study was not the immaterial soul or “will”, but a material object, a bodily disease. ” Szasz http://jme.bmj.com/content/27/5/297.full
You asked “how do we decide who is correct? How do we know what is true?”
and stated “The drugs classified as “antipsychotic” are similarly varied in their actions in the brain.”
Whatever has results we can judge as correct and true.
I as a person diagnosed with severe mental illness at age 19 , and now 48 , and I do not take psychiatric medications, where do I fit into “who is correct? what is true?”.
The doctors really believe the drugs are medicine because it is written in the DSM that the drugs are a medicine (and it can not be wrong). This is very similar to those that believe in the literal interpretation of the bible.
If people get a basic income, either they will become drug fiends with the money or work on a project they enjoy like the arts or music. Not harming anyone, because there is no reason to. I myself do volunteer work when/if I have energy.
Regarding ” a disability check or a welfare check” If I and others could launch a successful lawsuit against psychiatry and prove damages, we would get a check for the rest of our lives for the damage done/imprisonment without reasonable proof etc. The Government hired and licensed the quacks, they have to pay damages.
Besides, what skills does a 20 year long mental patient have to offer an employer? What is the mental patients motivation to work when everything has been stolen, raped and beaten from them?
I would say why are 1 in 4 crazy? How bad is the environment (pollution from what we see, hear and smell)? Why is the work-week so long? How bad are peoples jobs?
“He who fights too long against dragons becomes a dragon himself”
There is no dragon of psychiatry. People want simple answers to the problem of madness and psychiatry supplies it to/for them.
At time index 2:51 from a Fascist Dr. Joe Schwarcz http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=972519
Another problem most of my friends have that I forgot to mention is hand tremors that look like early Parkinson’s. With the shakes they have , I don’t know how they manage to pour water into a drinking glass without spilling.
Welcome to the community.
I am 48 years old and was diagnosed with serious mental illness at age 19.
Dr. Wood , you fear psychiatry is making people sick.
I know psychiatry is making people sick. I know it from the evidence of brain shrinkage from the use of antipsychotics (Andreasen and others http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html)
To suggest brain shrinkage from the medicine is a good thing , is the same as saying a lobotomy is a good thing. A good thing to who?
I know psychiatry is hurting people from my friends who stayed in psychiatry for the past 30 years and who have very low intelligence today. I wonder if their decline in intelligence is from the continual use of the psychiatric drugs/medicine.
I do not take any psychiatric drugs as I am accountable only to myself. I enjoy my freedom so look after my situation to keep my freedom. If I was taking psychiatric drugs I would be unable to take care of myself (from the effects on my brain and body).
I glanced at the Jan 4 message of Dr. Joshua Gordon.
These are people in lofty towers, I am a person on the ground.
My introduction to psychiatry was waking tied to a bed in a most powerful thirst. I was refused water and tortured. I was not given legal council.
Dr. Joshua Gordon is so far removed from reality (looking for mental illness in animals) that I would say he is “mentally ill”.
People are locked up before they commit a crime, and not given legal representation is the reality.
People are accused of being sick, then made sick by the jail (called a hospital) without due process and then by psychiatric drugs called ” medicines”. Withdrawal from the medicines is taken as “mental illness” returning the same way a drug addict goes into withdrawal when deprived of their drug.
Dr. Joshua Gordon is continuing to look for the impossible paradox , the physical cause to mental illness. Which if proven would make the problem a neurological one and no longer to be treated by any psychiatrist.
The “normal” population is too stupid, too powerless, and needs psychiatry for psychiatry’s power to lock up that crazy person they don’t like.
The only hope is those that pay for all this quackery are not happy with the results the psychiatrists produce, so stop paying.
Regarding “Extended Leave”
It costs $1,000.00 a day in hospital(jail) VS $1,000.00 (about) a month for a disability cheque and being a prisoner outside (with an ACT team on the person).
It is all about the money.
Regarding “People are unable to access mental health care”. What does this mean? What is the action of “mental health care”?
If a person can keep themselves clean and feed themselves, there is no need for the $1,000.00 a day hospital care.
Regarding “all I have to do is pretend to be rational and respectful in the presence of power.”
Yes, this is what those with the yellow metal (gold/money) desire.
You can not pretend to be rational.
I think the trouble with writing down ones “sins” as psychiatry does, they can never be forgiven.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” Szasz.
Where in the criminal system you can do jail time to pay for your sin/crime. In psychiatry they never let you live down your mistakes when you were too emotional. Something I did/you did twenty years ago can be brought up in court as relevant evidence, which is insane. Only the current behaviour in the recent days/months is relevant to someones mental health.
A person has to forgive themselves and those around them have to forgive. Living one day at a time we try not to make a mistake again, but not being perfect machines, we inevitably sin or make errors again.
This inevitability of failure is great for the religion of psychiatry, as they can continue to make money from giving ( or forcing) the cure/help/treatment/punishment of medicine(just drugs). AND the drugs make people crazy. A self fulfilling prophesy with no end to those that worship the holy molecules of science.
You do have to pretend worship because psychiatry ( the religion that isn’t a religion) is in power.
P.S. A jail that isn’t a jail, it’s a hospital. A drug that isn’t a drug, it’s a medicine.
Don’t tell anyone you are withdrawing. The average person believes 100% in the magical medication. The believe in it for their own fear of madness.
If asked about it, to ease normal peoples fears, just say ” It is between me and my doctor what medicines I take”.
First of all it is not “medication”. Medication is for true disease, where we know there is nothing wrong with the brain. The Master or the Psychiatrist calls the drugs “medications” so the prisoner-patient must also call the drugs “medications”. If the patient does not agree with the master the prisoner-patient does not get their freedom.
Regarding “antipsychotic withdrawal by understanding themselves”
My number one piece of advice is to keep a logbook of ones feelings + thoughts and daily events. Re-read from time to time. Hand written so you know it is “you” who wrote it.
Second is to get a digital camera. Use today’s technology to help establish reality from fiction. A photo rarely can lie.
Third is eat healthy and get exercise during the day.
Fourth is remember people will judge you by you appearance . If you look crazy , they will think you are crazy and treat you as if you are crazy. So look/smell clean and wear clean clothing.
RE Education.
People believed in Bernard Madoff for many years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoff_investment_scandal
But the Pyramid scheme eventually ran out of new investors.
Using drugs continuously to deal with life’s problems does not work in the long run.
Before modern medicine, you could attribute notable cases of insanity to epilepsy( no longer a mental illness) and syphilis ( another physical disease).
If you think psychiatry is a religion as I do, you know a religion can not be ended, so understand change will take a very long time.
As I call psychiatry a religion and psychiatry calls itself a science, the only thing I can do to fight it, is to calmly and rationally prove psychiatry is a religion.
The devil was the one we blamed in the past for our bad behaviour. With God and Satan being dead today, it is unbalanced brain chemicals that causes our imperfections.
I am puzzled by this… “when Boston Police Captain Haseeb Hosein showed up unannounced to demand an explanation for David’s continued presence on the streets. Why, he asked, is there nowhere he can go, no hospital to take him, no one who can help? Told that David could not, by law, be committed to a hospital against his will unless he could be proven dangerous, Hosein was incredulous.” https://apps.bostonglobe.com/spotlight/the-desperate-and-the-dead/series/homelessness/
it is imperative to study the effects of not only short-term but also lifelong antipsychotic treatment.”
VS
it is imperative to study the effects of a drug free treatment. Give people a lawyer, tell them the crime they are accused of , before drugging them.
“Antipsychotic drugs could shrink patients’ brains
Experts say findings should not dramatically change current prescription practices. ” http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
“According to the latest findings, the more antipsychotics patients receive, the more likely they are to have a decreased amount of grey matter.”
Everyone hears voices but they lie about it. People have heard voices since the beginning of time.
The first one being the temptation to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden.
If you can lie and say you do not hear voices that means you are sane.
“If we are all insane, then all insanity becomes a matter of degree. If your insanity leads you to carve up women like Jack the Ripper or the Cleveland Torso Murderer, we clap you away in the funny farm ; if, on the other hand, your insanity leads you only to talk to yourself when you’re under stress or to pick your nose on your morning bus, then you are left alone to go about your business…although it’s doubtful that you will ever be invited to the best parties.”
Stephen King, in Danse Macabre (1981).
From the start , you have patients who are willing to be treated for their illness, and then you have prisoners(patients) who do not want the “medicinal” treatment of brain damage of electroshock or chemical lobotomy. Two vastly different peoples.
People have the problems and doctors are supposed to treat them. Doctors can not say “NO, I can’t treat that complaint.”
Demand and Supply.
What do people want? Music.
Technology solves the demand. First we had the Walkman for people who wanted music on the go, then the portable CD player. Now both are obsolete. Today we have various tiny devices to play music.
Demand and Supply for Psychiatry.
IMO the number one reason for psychiatry is a legal way to obtain drugs. Imagine a voluntary patient, how are they going to get their drugs? They need a psychiatrist to legitimize their use of drugs. The psychiatrist cleans the nastiness up. They are not taking drugs, they are taking medicine.
Number two is Pre-Crime: People feel fear or pity for the “insane”, what might they ( the mad) do?
The psychiatrist controls the mad with the fear of incarceration and with drugs ( addiction).
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The world is insane now, with the U.S. surgeon general Dr. Vivek Murthy, saying
“Science tells us clearly that addiction is a disease of the brain,” Murthy said. “It affects the circuitry of our brain that controls decision-making, impulse control and our stress and reward systems.”
The problem of freewill to choose badly or choose wisely, is not and never shall be a medical problem.
The circuitry of the brain the surgeon general writes of, is after addition has occurred for a time. Psychiatrists in the early days complained people return to their addiction after being cured, cured by being locked up.
Fear of fear , fear of losing control over ones emotions is self fulfilling. No one questions if the medications/drugs were making the patient worse, worse as consuming drugs DO make your feelings out of your control. The psychiatrist is looking for someone to save in order to play the role of Hero. Giving drugs is like setting small fires to a woods and pretending the fires will not grow in time. Give me drugs, give me drugs
Get away from the fire starter/drug dealer.
Chemical restraints rather than visible, physical restrains for the children. Everyone can stomach giving “medicine” to the children , but not physical restraints, that is cruel.
An article on the brain.
“The hypothalamus controls some of the basic functions of life including hormonal activity via the pituitary gland. There are several gender differences in the gland present between males and females.” http://www.news-medical.net/health/Hypothalamus-Males-and-Females.aspx
When you, being poor, can not afford the loss during a failed business transaction you worry. The rich people can call this worry paranoia.
Does the poor person have the money for a lawyer? “if you don’t have a refund within 14 days you will be taking legal action ” http://www.consumerrightsexpert.co.uk/when-goods-ive-ordered-dont-arrive.html
Regarding delusions and hallucination of a schizophrenic.
From my perspective I was in a prison, those in power called a hospital. I was forced to take poison those in power called medicine. I had thoughts that those in power called hallucinations.
Who is the delusional one? The one who has no power.
“inner demons” is twice written in the text.
There are outer demons, and you must have money to pay the demons. Pay for your food, pay for your shelter, pay for your clothing et cetera.
How are you going to get your money?
“The Contest” was the 51st episode of the NBC sitcom, Seinfeld. The eleventh episode of the fourth season, it aired on November 18, 1992.[1] In the episode, George Costanza tells Jerry Seinfeld, Elaine Benes and Cosmo Kramer that his mother caught him unaware while he was masturbating. The conversation results in George, Jerry, Elaine and Kramer entering into a contest to determine who can go for the longest period of time without masturbating.
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The contest affects their sleep, and the remaining contestants suffer insomnia, while only the people who were eliminated can sleep peacefully.
(Jerry and George. They’re bickering at each other due to the lack of sex)
GEORGE: All you got is instant coffee? Why don’t you get some real coffee?
JERRY: I don’t keep real coffee in here, I get my coffee on the outside! (Intercom buzzes. He answers it) Yeah?!
ELAINE: (Through intercom) It’s Elaine.
JERRY: (Shouting) Come on up! (Opens his door for Elaine)
GEORGE: Where did you get those socks?
JERRY: I don’t know.
GEORGE: I think those are my socks!
JERRY: How are these your socks?!
GEORGE: I don’t know, but those are my socks! I had a pair just like that with the blue stripe, and now I don’t have them anymore!
JERRY: (Sarcastic) Oh, yeah, that’s right, well, you fell asleep one day on the sofa and I took them off your stinkin’ feet. They looked so good to me, I just had to have them!
GEORGE: Yeah, well, they’re my socks!
JERRY: They’re my socks!
(A brief moment passes as they look at each other)
GEORGE: Oh boy..
JERRY: What are we doing here..
GEORGE: ..Oh boy.
JERRY: This is ridiculous.
GEORGE: Do you believe this? We’re fighting. We’re fighting.
JERRY: I haven’t been myself lately. I’ve been snapping at everybody.
GEORGE: Me too. I’ve been yelling at strangers on the street.
Testosterone dramatically changes the brain. To deny males have testosterone is insane. The rate of age of onset of “schizophrenia” and the increase of testosterone as a male matures seem to correspond and NO ONE TALKS ABOUT.
Anger coming from the increase in hormones is renamed “psychosis” by legal drug pushers, and the psychiatric drugs do solve the immediate problem of the animal-who-is-not-following-orders.
Hope or insanity?
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[Dede, 37, now hopes that he will resume a normal life after two more operations to graft undamaged skin onto his hands, feet and face.
To Irishrover777
“thorazine and haldol were true godsends” Bullshit.
Unless you personally have had the insatiable thirst that comes from receiving Thorazine (like I have), you are literally full of shit.
The drugs are a torture, that is all.
“If you don’t obey orders we will torture you worse.” is what the hospital workers say to you the patient.
From your writing it seems you believe in the chemical imbalance theory to mental illness, because you call the drugs “medicine”. I disagree that the drugs are in fact medicine. You have to prove a deficit or chemical imbalance in the brain before you get to call the drugs “medicine”.
If someone is greatly upset , uncommunicative and unreasonable, maybe a doctor can lock them up preventatively.
The person(prisoner) has to told verbally and on paper (in a language they comprehend) what others find objectionable with the patients actions.
You describe people looking for drugs, not medicine. You want to be a legal drug dealer, go ahead.
It reminds me of the witch test, before science existed.
“As part of the infamous “swimming test,” accused witches were dragged to the nearest body of water, stripped to their undergarments, bound and then tossed in to to see if they would sink or float.” http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/7-bizarre-witch-trial-tests
The government is paying the bill for the drugs in most cases.
I am not paying to be poisoned and imprisoned without due process. Without the right to face my accuser of a crime I committed, or will commit in the future.(? a danger to self or others?AKA freedom)
“Americans receiving SSI and SSDI due to psychiatric disability grew from 1.25 million (1 per 184) in 1987 to 3.97 million (1 in 76) in 2007. “Whitaker.
3.97 to 9.8 million in seven years
If anyone knows how to put this growth into Excel or a graphics program of extrapolation, it would be cool.
In 2021 with 20 million disabled persons.”Is the government getting what it is paying for?” (permanently disabled individuals, instead of temporary) Will have to be asked.
I don’t want people to give up hope, that is why I wrote “don’t believe the drug side effects are permanent,”. The brain can change and heal from SSRI’s.
If people give up hope they can kill themselves or go back on the drugs.
Don’t believe the drug side effects are permanent, for your belief can make it come true in a self fulfilling prophesy. This is a nocebo effect, the opposite of the placebo effect. What you believe in can come true.
I am confused. What percentage of the population is SMI?
Here Whitaker writes
“the number of people receiving an SSI or SSDI payment because they had been “disabled” by a mental disorder rose from 1.25 million in 1987 to 3.97 million in 2007.” USA population 301 million
To be more specific about power…”Where does your income come from?” not you Matt or Tabita personally, but whomever is considering telling their story.
Regarding “If you have a compelling story to tell, don’t sit on it. Submit it here at Mad In America”
Sorry I disagree.
Many people are drugged/medicated for their unwanted behaviour, unwanted by those in power.
ONLY IF you are in a position of power can a person tell their story.
The world runs on money and if you piss off those who pay you/supply you with money, you may receive punishment. As in “Don’t rock the boat if you can’t swim”.
Resistant to change? That is simple. Those in power do not want to lose power. The victims of psychiatry die on an average 25 years sooner , so they can’t fight. The increasing percentage of the population judged mentally ill is some kind of magic that more magic pills will solve.
1955 ………………………… 3.38 per 1,000.
1987…………………………… 13.75 per 1,000
2003…………………………… 19.69 per 1,000
Only when the Government money paying for the magic pills is stopped, can/will the system change.
“Minding the store” has been a problem since the beginning of time.(when not where)
Szasz explained morals (choices) are now being taken as mental illness(disease).
Only the sin of lack of compassion is still a valid sin.
Won’t you help the children and sick? You won’t help them with medicine? You are cruel and lack compassion.
In a war of words they (drug companies with fake research evidence) have already won.
Regarding “why do you frame a picture of Psychiatry being so evil?”
The simple analogy is plastic surgery, and consent.
If someone wants plastic surgery for a nose they think is too big, they can pay for a surgery.
No one would force a plastic surgery on someone arbitrarily judged as needing plastic surgery for their ugly appearance.
In the case of “Mark”.
“He was nearly mute and rail-thin. But he still refused medication.” says article
The doctor could have forced a hospitalization on the basis of the physical weight of the patient. Physical proof the person is not taking care of themselves, an unsound mind.
This complaint would have to be told to him and written down on paper as your complaint.
Something he can deny or accept in court.
Why go to court? You would say. Why bother? Without the court process reality is not real.
Once in the prison perhaps the prisoner would change their behaviour in some way, perhaps a negotiation would then take place.
The immediate jump to drugs/medications is unfounded, and probably based on MONEY.
It takes time for some one to come to their senses ( proper food, sleep , cleanliness etc) , and you Doctor want them cured NOW, just like a real doctor who fixes physical illness.
“If, however, lack of insight is defined as a failure to accept an alternative view of reality, then do the rest of us lack insight, too?””
I don’t know who the “us” is, but I am not one of the us. I do not believe psychiatric drugs are in fact medicine.
The drugs are not medicine because there is nothing physically wrong with the brain of the “Prophet”.
How long does a “psychosis” really last? People get upset at being in jail the jailers call a hospital. The violence that usually occurs ( of who is if fact in Power) makes the jailers drug the Prophet. They used to use the obvious restrains of chains and straitjackets, but that was too ugly for the general public.
The general public is happy to see the drugged mental patient ( preferably drugged for life for the mentally ill can not be forgiven), but angry that the taxes they pay go towards the process.
The psychiatrist/Nazi’s serve the rich peoples interests keeping law and order of preventative justice.
“Involuntary mental hospitalization and the insanity defense should be seen for what they are: symmetrical symbols of psychiatric power. In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty. Civil commitment and the insanity defense both create and confirm the impression of psychiatric expertise, where none exists. Civil commitment and the insanity defense also foster the impression that they provide a socially beneficial solution for troubling problems of human existence, when, actually both aggravate these problems.” (Szasz, 1982)
The patients/people are in a prison that the jailers call “inpatient units”. What are you in prison for? Shouldn’t you compliment your jailers for helping you? ( before you commit your crime)
” where power differentials between patients and providers are magnified. ” LOL Who is in prison and who isn’t? Can you tell the difference? If you can you are not getting enough drugs.
If you quit drugs, any drug too quickly you have withdrawal symptoms. When in withdrawal no one can tell if it is “mental illness” or drug withdrawal.
If a person has not been taught skills to cope with life, they have no way to deal with their emotions. In my opinion, a chemical lobotomy for the rest of ones life is not the correct solution. http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100606/full/news.2010.281.html
Sometimes voices are just ideas, like when you are trying to think of a name, several pop up, but are incorrect, you reject the inaccurate words, but the word came from someplace in your mind. Ideas come from imagination.
If you have a lot of imagination, you can have a lot of voices (ideas). In a noisy urban environment it is difficult to focus on one, and make progress on one thing at a time.
Sad that few know of the Evil of psychiatry. It makes me think of the quote “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
The victim has to fight for justice. In the case of ECT this is virtually impossible. Only the survivors can fight.
The false doctors do it for money and status.
If there is a Hell, they say there is a place for those who betrayed the public with their position of power.
Otherwise the living have to fight as best as they can.
Regarding “People don’t seem to care about shock”
If a person is not being personally threatened with electroshock, they have no reason to care for what medical professionals claim is medicine.
People are either for electroshock or against it. As the brain damage is deemed a medical proceedure, people can not vote it out of use.
First of all everyone hears voices, but lie and say they do not.
Our brain has been classified the following way.
1) Reptilian Complex / basal ganglia: Instinct (survival, breathing/swallowing/heartbeat, startle response)
2) Limbic System /Paleomammalian complex: Emotion (feelings, relationship/nurturing, images and dreams, play)
3) Neocortex (including the Prefrontal cortex)/Neomammalian complex: Thought (including planning, language, logic & will, awareness)
Listening too much versus listening too little.
People hear the voice of hunger, the voice of thirst. If people listen too much to the voice of hunger they suffer from Gluttony.
They hear voice to defecate, or the voice to micturate, or the voice to vomit. Only the homeless (might) listen to this voice and deficate and pee where ever they are. Everyone else lies and holds it in until they get to a toilet.
The voice of balance, which way is up which way is down, for the ability to walk/run or cross a stream. The voice of Vertigo.
They hear the voice of too hot and too cold. Example of cold mythbusters hand in cold water.
It is not cold is it? WHO makes you take your hand out? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4kvpjQe8nw
Is it too hot out? In summer when you feel the heat outside you hear the voice.
Is it cold out? In winter when you feel the cold you hear the voice.
Then you lie to yourself and go to work.
Hear the voice of suffocation “I cant breath” or “That smells terrible, I must get away to clean air.”
Voice of fatigue, I must sleep. If people listen too much they suffer from sloth.versus I must work/a workaholic so they never have time to listen to the other voices.
Voice of sex (Lust), I must reproduce. vs Chastity. Listen too much to lust and you get a STD, too little sex as in Chastity and you don’t have children and end your family tree. Rolling Stones ” I can’t get no” goes to this feeling/sin.
Voice of envy, “I must have that!”
Voice of anger, for example while driving a car “That guy cut me off!” versus being a pushover and having no anger.
Voice of fear. too much a coward, if too little fear then foolishly brave.
Voice of love, She loves you
The person who hears the voice “Today is your wife’s Birthday, do something for her” will not be on the news, but the man who listens to his voice of anger IS on the news for violence he chose to do.
“Hearing voices” is all a trick to support the power of psychiatry.
I do like your writing of
“Requirements for formal and documented ‘Informed Consent’ signed by the patient that includes: (1) acknowledgement that the drugs are altering otherwise normal brain physiology, “
Writing as some one who has a history of mental illness, if a group of psychotic people you describe above can be found for a study (impossible), I would want a study of antipsychotic VS benzodiazepine (like Atavan) to reduce symmptoms.
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In regular medicine the medicinal drug is applied with reason, if these certain conditions exist , then apply this amount of drug.
If no psychotic symptoms are being exhibited then there is no reason to apply “this amount of drug”.
It is difficult for me to find the words to express my feelings on the “Psychiatric Times” article “Quality of Life and the Case for Antipsychotics”
August 10, 2016 Ronald Pies and Joseph Pierre .
Judged as a (supposed) schizophrenic at age 19 , I now am 48 and have resisted taking the poisons the (supposed) doctors call medicine during my adult life.
If the doctors protest and say” But I am not ill!” , that is exactly what many of the psychiatric patients claim.
The doctors will only get their freedom after three months in hospital/jail and being drugged each day.
” a full integration of physical and mental health care systems”
You can’t put regular (scientific) medicine with mental health medicine because the psychiatrist decides what is ” healthy” and what is “ill” in mental illness.
This means the mentally ill patient does not get to decide when treatment is wrong or concluded. The mentally ill is a virtual “child”, and judged unable to make decisions on their own. This belief of incompetence can be TRUE if the patient is drugged, the brain is unable to work or think rationally due to the psychiatric medicine.
“early intervention programs”
Intervention in physical illness is great, such as stopping an infection from progressing, and reducing blood pressure so a stroke is less likely to occur.
But in mental illness, taking control of the patient ( to help them) might be the worst idea.
If I am getting too fat they will step in (force) and help me from becoming too fat?
OR
If I am getting too thin they will step in(force) and help me from becoming too thin?
“As medical scientist, the physician had to claim that badness was madness, that his object of study was not the immaterial soul or “will”, but a material object, a bodily disease.” Szasz http://jme.bmj.com/content/27/5/297.full
If I am angry they will step in (force) and help me from becoming too angry? (drugs)
If I am sad they will step in ( force) and help me from becoming too sad? (drugs)
If I am nervous they will step in and help me from becoming too nervous? (drugs)
All the other possible emotions.
The sheep will be exploited by big pharma for as long as possible . Pharma companies make billions from selling the physical treatment for mental illness.
People need access to legal drugs, so the profession of psychiatry exists ( to write prescriptions to voluntary patients) and will continue to exist as long as adults are considered too stupid or genetically inferior and unable to control their drug habits ( addiction).
“Ruins” is a subjective term. Being in prison would be pretty bad, being homeless would be one step up from that. What his actual state is, is unknown from the bio description.
I would postulate he has no reason to live, or no purpose, or no religion. Where some one might figure out what they love and wish to support during their time here on earth.
Thomas Szasz — ‘The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.’
I think it is about staying angry. If you do not forgive (you the stupid one), you stay with the feeling of anger, and constantly seek means for revenge or retribution.
You do not want to be naive (forget), to be taken advantage of again. You do not want to be the opposite of naive, paranoid either, unable to enjoy the present.
If you are too angry, you can’t get on with YOUR life, you are giving “free rent” to the person in your mind/head.
Thanks for asking. No I didn’t keep a copy. It has happened before so I am use to it.
I was responding to some one who claimed mental illness can be traced to the DNA, so “sick” people must take medicine for their illness. I wrote” no” that (DNA evidence) has been disputed by Jay Joseph.
That’s about it.
Also if you go to a another computer, like the public library and search for your comment ( to confirm your opinion is out on display) you might not find it on certain websites (not this one M.I.A.).
Specifically http://www.huffingtonpost.com played this trick on me.
On the NY times article I had a comment on display for a time, but it was removed.
I ended my comment by asking people to search for Dr Nancy C Andreasen and brain shrinkage.
The ability to change ones (bad) habits? This kind of brain change?
Indeed I agree it is hard to change ones learned behavior. http://sciencenetlinks.com/esheets/what-are-innate-and-learned-behaviors/
Old time psychiatry thought that people who stole (thieves) were born that way.
When professional thieves just don’t get caught, or can’t be accused.
RE:”How long should I …?”
I have no criminal record.
If you have some kind of history, those in power can claim the “medicine” is helping. I don’t know what a person does in this case. Court ordered drugging(long acting injection) takes place.
I went to the police for advice.
The police said I could ask(demand) another psychiatrist.
If you are too afraid you will not be able to do this. Many who have been tortured can not do/endure this confrontation with authority. Many can not be their own boss and need a “doctor” to talk to or confess their inner ideas(fears/worries) to.
The psychiatrist expected me to be addicted to the drugs. He wrote me a prescription-refill for several months, but I had already quit.
I never got another psychiatrist assigned to me/ you don’t show up for the appointment.
What do they do? I don’t know.
You can’t screw up once, like a normal person can make a mistake and be forgiven. The “mentally ill” are never forgiven for being human.
Selling and forcing Anti-psychotics (drugs) is a multi Billion dollar a year business and I don’t expect those profiting would like anyone moving in on their territory.
Twenty years or so ago , I was on antipsychotic polypharmacy, and it was noticed by a outpatient nurse. She told me to question my psychiatrist about it. I said something to the effect of “What is the point?” ( in asking questions). It was a dictatorship.
If I recall correctly, I don’t think I was consuming them, since I was not in prison/hospital, and it wasn’t a problem. The shrink was under the delusion his prescribed “medicine” was working.
A person can not be both “schizophrenic” and employed at the same time, according to psychiatry. All reactions and behaviours of schizophrenia is “positive” symptoms and “negative” symptoms, and a person experiencing these symptoms can not work a job.
We have to start somewhere, and starting by saying the drugs do not work long term is a great place. Why? Because then it will become standard practice to remove people from the medicine/drug. Then in time they will have to question the “correct” amount of time on the antipsychotic.
You have to ask first before giving drugs/medication. Does the person want the drug/medication?
You are making the judgement the person needs drugs, not medicine.
If someone is experiencing “the worst fears” , you don’t ask how they got into that position.
When a heroin or meth addict is in withdrawal , what kind of thoughts and feelings do they have? Is the solution more Heroin and Meth?
The psychiatrist who thinks himself a doctor , gets satisfaction when treating his patient. He is doing his job when prescribing. If/when he has no medicines/drugs to give, what is he to do?
“The prominent doctor Benjamin Rush (a signer of the Declaration of Independence) set off a fury when he began bleeding people dry during the 1793 yellow fever epidemic in Philadelphia. By all accounts, Rush was a bloodletting fanatic”
Regarding “History is repeating itself.”
There was a film made in Germany ” I accuse” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_klage_an
In the film a Doctor kills his handicapped wife and goes to court for the “mercy” killing.
Any discussion of mental illness before the discovery of the four blood types and syphilis, is like discussing the flavor of the cheese that is in the moon.
syphilis “The causative organism, Treponema pallidum, was first identified by Fritz Schaudinn and Erich Hoffmann in 1905. The first effective treatment (Salvarsan) was developed in 1910 by Paul Ehrlich, which was followed by trials of penicillin and confirmation of its effectiveness in 1943.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syphilis#History
Believing a (first) diagnosis without a second or third opinion is a mistake, both in psychiatry and in the prediction of death.
A doctor (Dr. Paul Saba) is contesting the new law on the grounds of the percentages of bad diagnosis.
regarding “stop my drugs”. This is their faith, the magical molecule. You should not confront it because YOU are not in a position of power. The only thing you can do ( if you and your helper have opposite opinions) is divorce.
I wonder what the drugs did to his brain? Can it be fixed as easily as removing (unwanted) breast tissue? I don’t think so. The brain made the hormone-chemicals necessary for breast growth.
Psychiatry-medicine making people worse off than they were before the “treatment”.
Psychiatrist Amit Etkin is talking neurology, it is no longer psychiatry if it is a measurable brain defect.
Also the patient should have the choice to receive treatment ( for the defect) or not, which will not work with psychiatry.
Psychiatry owns the patient and decides for the patient what is “correct”.
Szasz wrote the mental ill person is a moral agent, but a person can not be themselves while drugged(medicated), withdrawing from drugs(medications), or has brain damage from drugs(medications).
That they still use the word “medications” tells a story.
Myself, I use science to log my days like a seafaring captain. My photos and my own notes can not be forgotten.
In my case, my mother and father (who were not educated) believe anything a doctor tells them. They were told I was ill at age 19 ( which was true) but my parents assumed I was “mentally ill” once again, any time I was greatly upset after that first incident. Any parent wants to protect their child, and out of fear of the future will drug and institutionalize their child. A power struggle. When is the child an adult? The mother and father do not want to relinquish control. Psychiatry serves the mother and father, keeps their child a child forever.
From the article
“To participate, the N.Y.U. team told her, she first had to stop taking all her medications. But the study had several false starts, requiring her to stop taking medication, then restart, then stop again — and restart.”
Anecdotal evidence of myself, diagnosed with serious mental illnesses (SMI) at the age of 19, I am now 48, do not take antipsychotics and I am doing relatively well. (stable)
Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak,
men mistook magic for medicine; now,
when science is strong and religion weak,
men mistake medicine for magic.
– Thomas Szasz
The law of supply and demand is at play.
•“No one explains where this disease [ADHD] came from, why it didn’t exist 50 years ago. No one is able to diagnose it with objective tests. It’s diagnosed by a teacher complaining or a parent complaining. People are referring to the fact that they don’t like misbehaving children, mainly boys, in the schools. The diagnosis helps tranquilize the parent, tranquilize the school system. It offers them the sense that they are doing something about the problem, that they are dealing with it in a rational, scientific way. It’s a kind of pharmacological magic.” Szasz
In treating a NON physical disease with physical means, you create a physical problem. How elementary. Who is going to be held accountable for this quackery? Like police do not police themselves. Doctors must police themselves better.
The Boston Globe June 23 article says “prescribed medications” several times without asking what the magical medication is in chemical form. Medication is for disease, the mind (a non physical object) can not be diseased.
Try to find a “sane” murder, is there such a thing? All acts of violence are inherently insane.
The first story, the 35-year-old adult son named Lee should not have been living with his mother obviously. He is not wearing a shirt in the screen capture ( November) showing his adult chest hair.
Lee should have been getting a disability cheque for his mental illness. He should have used that to rent an apartment.
If he was not intelligent/diligent enough to pay the rent on time, the Government usually takes care of the intellectually handicapped.http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/intellectual-disability-mental-retardation
No one questions the psychiatric “medications” making him worse ( inability to think logically/rationally) instead of “better”.
The drugs are not working, more drugs! Who is insane?
To break the Monopoly, former patients who do not continually take the psychiatric drugs-meds (and are reasonably recovered) have to be published and demonstrated to the public.
But as all are sinners, anyone can have a mistake or bad day at any time. No one is a perfect flawless machine.
The people with the money, the yellow metal, make the rules.
The word “medication” has been mutilated by those who define reality.
“The patient’s prognosis without these medications: poor.”
The false doctors define poisons as helpful “medicine”, where in the past (before the drugs discovery) they would put the accused person in shackles, handcuffs and/or leg cuffs to prevent them from action.
As long as the world is stupid enough to believe the psychiatric poisons are medicines ( people are stupid) the system of giving “medicine” (invisible shackles) to stop “bad” behavior will continue.
Only with first hand experience of the psych drugs does a person know they are not medicines.
In my boredom of class I turned to vandalism. I didn’t know or think of it as vandalism at the time. I induced metal fatigue (to failure, they fell out) on the pieces of metal on ventilation of the heater cover on the wall. Other bored children joined in the anarchy-secret rebellion . The heater looked a bit like this http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/111221090742-air-conditioner-cnn-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg
One size fits all classroom/ too many children for one teacher.
Psychiatry is exploiting peoples “Hope” in this age of Godlessness.
People need something to believe in, something physical to hope on that will “fix” them.
To be an inmate, you have to be a criminal, most are defined as a “patient”. Words have meaning , the meaning is enforced by the court system, if we use the technically “wrong” word it creates confusion.
“Inmate” is from the person in jails perspective, but this perspective is not correct according to those psychiatrists (who are in power). The person is receiving medicinal help, not (punitive) punishment.
My major problem with psychiatry is the continual medication( drugging) of its patients/slaves.
Drugged to prevent a possible “bad” future. Fear of the future makes a bad future.
The declining birth rate in most industrial countries means the machine may end by the lack of children who have the desire and ability to perform as their mother/father did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_rate
No one asks what was done to his brain ( by psychiatric medicine) before he lost his rational thought. “Neuroleptic-induced supersensitivity psychosis” written by Chouinard G, Jones BD, Annable L. : Am J Psychiatry. 1978
He is back on the magical medication now.The system is perfect. A perfect confidence job.
Regarding psychiatrists helping patients reduce or get off the psychiatric drugs.
From my personal experience , if I said to my psychiatrist “I want to reduce the dosage” the psychiatrist would do the opposite and want to increase the dosage.
Psychiatry is not a doctor and patient relationship as they sell. It is a master and slave relationship , for there is no physical disease in the “patient”.
You can not judge yourself sane ( if you were insane you would not know it: ones confidence is so high), another person or group can judge your actions as sane or insane.
The question “How do we remove the power from a group that has dissonant cognizance?”
We can’t. There is no way to stop a religion( that isn’t a religion because we say so), a religion entrenched in law. A psychiatrist determines if someone is responsible for a crime. Did they know wrong from right? Why did they do the crime? before even a trial is heard. If there is too much evidence of guilt , they must be crazy. If the person can lie, and is lying about a crime, then it can go to court.
The lackadaisical response of Dr Frances : “Don’t know. I will pull if you like”. Is because his life is not on the line. He and the profession of psychiatry are making billions of dollars and are unstoppable.
For the mocking, state the plain truth. For example in the medical procedure of Electroshock they use up to 450 volts on the brain , while the normal brain voltage is in the microvolt range of 0.0001 volts.
Some say ECT is targeted, but where exactly is mental illness located in the brain?
They claim medicine for a chemical imbalance, but what tests were performed to detect this chemical imbalance? ( just drugs)
Yes they really are that stupid. And they get paid for it. No accountability for their actions.
“Brain chemical imbalances” is what they are selling, and the slave has to buy it or else.
Reasons for behavior would make the patients human beings, and not “chemical imbalances” to be fixed.
Take this magic pill. “I (need to) believe I am helping you with this magic pill” the stupid one thinks. I call psychiatry a religion for the faith they have in the pills to magically do good things ( instead of bad things).
Recognizing the trauma they are inflicting on their own prisoners?
On e of my worst tortures from psychiatry was being “inpatient” and having to listen to jackhammers all day long, at random intervals ( from construction work in the hospital). At a sound level that made it impossible to have a conversation during the session of jack-hammering.
In a normal world this sound-noise exposure would be called torture as I could not leave the (prison) hospital, while all the employees could come and go as they wish.
The people working in the psych ward are monsters, to have allowed the patients to be subject to the torture. My Post Traumatic Stress Disorder came from the “healers” prison, that they call a hospital.
Because the torture was from sound, the proof is very difficult to provide to a legal body as evidence of damages.
If you have a recording of a sound-noise you can use a program named Audacity to make a visual representation of the sound-noise recorded. With this visual display, you can show the duration of time of the noise and the intensity.
Delusion? The whole world is in a delusion about how much methane and carbon dioxide we can dump into the atmosphere. The whole world is in a delusion about all the plastic we dump into the ocean.
Is the weather normal where you are?
I had a serious skin reaction to antipsychotics. It was written in my medical papers.
Ironically it was disbelieved by my new psychiatrist who then re-prescribed the medication-drug-poison.
The psychiatric labels once written down in medical papers becomes unquestionable truth ( a broken leg is a broken leg forever), but the reaction to the drugs written down is not?
You are a diseased leper aren’t you? No?
Aren’t all of your behaviours just positive and negative symptoms of mental illness? You can’t do anything right because you don’t make choices, you have an illness.
You reject you label of witchcraft? How dare you!
Olden days described here http://cantonasylumforinsaneindians.com/history_blog/early-madness/
I assume everyone has trial before a jury , before being punished for crimes, and you can’t put people in prison for crimes you believe they will perform some time in the future.
No one mentions voluntary patients versus forced. The commenters are as crazy as the people they feel the need to help. No one asks ” Was this person always mentally ill?”.
Many use the term “schizophrenia” as if it means something.
Headlines are funny.
“Psychiatric Institutions Are a Necessity” It is a jail that isn’t a jail.
“The Mentally Ill Need Supportive Affordable Housing” if a person is “mentally ill” they can not look after themselves and where they live. If a person can look after themselves and where they live, are they mentally ill? No , so then they don’t qualify for assistance.
“How to Keep the Mentally Ill From Getting Behind Bars” Ridiculous. If someone breaks a serious enough law, yes they have to go behind bars for the protection of people in society that can follow the rules. Law too tough or too weak? Change the law.
“We Need Better Funding for Mental Health Services. The answer is not simply to build more psychiatric facilities, but rather to fulfill the promise of deinstitutionalization by providing effective treatment ” What is effective treatment? More drugs? Drugs for life? plus “People with mental illnesses have unique needs, and their overrepresentation in jail, prison and other ill-equipped settings is a national tragedy.” Over representation? If a person is not fitting into the Capitalism system they get named “mentally ill” by a modern day priest.
in the opening paragraph “Psychiatry is no exception.” to randomized controlled trials.
Yes psychiatry is an exception. There is no physical disease in mental illness. We attribute reasons to sane behaviour (choices) and causes to “insane” behaviour(chemical imbalances).
All psychiatry is ( at best), is supplying legal drugs to people in crisis. Legal drug dealers for the people who who are not capable of choosing their own drug and (drug) quantity.
Great article. I totally agree that good outcomes have different definitions. The drug industry standard of taking drugs regularly ( a chemical lobotomy) is NOT in my definition of a good outcome. That would be a living death, and if you are not perfect, many are not perfect, an emotional outburst can force ( court order) people to be poisoned (medicated) for the rest of their life. A “normal” person can make a mistake and be punished in civil court or criminal court, a person with a history of mental illness needs “medication” for his/her mistakes. ( for the rest of their life). We are HELPING people! . right. not.
Regarding the 6
1)‘Does the patient have a severe and enduring mental illness?’
The illness is given by the doctors and medical workers, it endures from external stigma (family friends) and internal stigma-belief of being diseased because a doctor said you were sick. If the patients is not being MADE mentally ill (every day) from the psychiatric drugs. As long as you take drugs you have limited insight into your actions and behaviour. Cause and effect is limited . If you perform well that day do you feel it/if you perform badly that day do you feel it?
2‘Is this illness or behaviour?’
illness would be a chemical imbalance causing (for example) the face to contract (TD or neuroleptic malignant syndrome), versus choices a person makes from freewill.
There is not just 2, there is the third one of unconscious behaviour, such as a accidentally being late ( always) or accidentally breaking something from unconscious(suppressed) anger.
3‘It would be unethical to withdraw his antipsychotic medication; he has a definite diagnosis of schizophrenia’
They would have to face the brain disease they have caused by giving drugs to an innocent person if they withdrew the drugs.“Neuroleptic-induced supersensitivity psychosis” written by Chouinard G, Jones BD, Annable L. : Am J Psychiatry. 1978 Nov;135(11):1409-10
4‘I suspect there may be a lurking depression’
Everyone who is no longer a child has something to grieve over, which if dwelled on , can be called depression.
5 ‘If you don’t accept treatment you’ll give me no option other than to section you’
Same a the drug dealer saying if you don’t use my drugs I ‘m gonna bust your head open.
6‘We’ll keep on tweaking the medication until we get it right’
The religion of drugs, that everyone says are medications. People can not see the difference between a drug and a medicine. How a drug becomes a medicine magically when it is prescribed by a doctor. Which all leads back to who defines what illness is. Can the disease be seen in a unbiased blood examination? Is it a disease?
Lock someone in a prison (everyone calls a hospital) , then complain the prisoner is not getting better.
How about putting someone ill where it looks (sight) beautiful, smells beautiful and sounds beautiful? Our three major senses.
A hopeful article, speaking the truth. Putting sunlight on mold to kill it.
Drugging/poisoning people to get them to function does not and can not work.
In the Bible
Luke 13:6. He also spoke this parable: “A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.
“Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, ‘Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?’
“But he answered and said to him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. ‘And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.’ ”
Psychiatry is not fixing peoples minds with their drugs (fertilizer) , and is making people worse.
The thousands not dead but still living while on poisons is proof.
A person can not do good works or bad works while being poisoned.
WTF are you talking about ? “Parents are usually to blame for their childs mental illness”.
The child is blamed. The child has a brain chemical imbalance . The child must be on medication (not the parents). The parents do not take the blame, if they did , they would take the magical medications.
My uneducated parents believe whatever a doctors tells them, and believe their defective DNA made me, their child mentally defective-ill.
What groups or individuals dominate the conversation? The ones who are not locked up ( people call hospitalized) and the ones who are not poisoned silent (people call given medicine).
Why are past experiences not talked of? The we-have-a-medicine/ magic pill industry is worth billions of dollars a year is why.
Those who separate themselves from the mentally ill also need the idea-excuse of a DNA error or brain chemical imbalance to keep themselves apart from the ill, keep the illusion that medicine is being performed , not a persons soul is in conflict or damaged.
Regarding “… cause a lot of people to stop taking their medications.”
Don’t you worship the holy molecules of science that can only do good? ( joking)
T. Szasz wrote that people are moral agents , responsible for their actions.
That neither the pro-drug psychiatrists or the anti-drug psychiatrists treats the patient-subject as a responsible moral agent.
I having willing and unwilling consumed the psychiatric drugs, know the drugs can affect the mind. That is the drugs design-intent.
A person can not be a moral agent when under the influence of drugs ( or withdrawing from).
And they call out for more DRUGS.
“2: we need to find other drugs that work on other systems and parts of the brain” Dr. Nancy C. Andreasen
I tried to make an evidence based psychiatry addition to Wikipedia but other editors were offended by my statement of fact of the billions of dollars are made by those that invent the diagnosis.
In theory I could appeal to other Wikipedia editors , but I do not know the protocol procedure.
Those that prescribe legal drugs are all parasites on the public, just the same as an illegal drug dealer. When there is no one left to keep society going the confidence trick (drugs for life) will collapse under its own weight.
I had a similar experience with feeding birds during the winter. I think birds are look beautiful and sound beautiful and started feeding them with a bird feeder in the fall. Then the birds depended on the food. In the icy cold winter only I could help keep them alive . Every winter day I checked to see the snow and ice was clear of the openings for the seed in the feeder and made sure they had access to food. This helped me to survive winter.
Regarding “go around completely denying someone that has depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety, etc”
Yes people have profound sadness that can be called depression.
Yes people can have rapid mood changes know as bipolar disorder, that may be due to the environment,hormones and what the eat.
Yes people can have too much fear or too much worry otherwise know as anxiety.
Yes people can seek legal drugs for these problems.
The Nazis killed people in the belief their genome was defective. The only thing that can manifest from a genetic problem is a physical problem , not a mental problem.
The current psychiatric belief of drugs for life is wrong and killing people, and shortening millions of peoples lives.
The Nazis of today are looking for, but can not find, mental illness in the genome.
It is all about following orders. If you are following orders, you are not mentally ill.
The sad truth is that many of the slaves ( to drugs) do not want to be free. Many of the psychiatrists forced on me ( for my medical problem-joke), I would call them evil. Evil to need to dominate my mind with poison, rather than talk to me with reason.
Regarding “How is biological psychiatry still a thing?”
There is no one to hold the psychiatrists accountable for the long term outcomes of the patients. Biological psychiatry makes billions of dollars a year.
$18 Billion dollars a year in antipsychotics. Source (I disagree with forcing physically healthy people to consume drugs, but the link states billion dollar numbers)http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/health/a-call-for-caution-in-the-use-of-antipsychotic-drugs.html
Thanks for the story detail. I had heard of it but not know the exact name of the victim.. The date of birth of the man Victor is confusing to the story to me.
Once everyone knows there are no brain chemical imbalances, the legitimacy of psychiatry might also be in question.
“To distinguish himself from the doctor of divinity ( a religion), the doctor of medicine could not simply claim that he was protecting people from sin,” Szasz on “Mental illness: psychiatry’s phlogiston” http://jme.bmj.com/content/27/5/297.full
There is no such thing as psychosis. No virus, no bacteria, and no molecule.
An altered state of mind comes from living in an alien polluted city with todays technology.
Exercise ( the reduces illness) indicates we human are animals like all the other animals on the planet that don’t live in a polluted city with technology.
Who put that F-ing art on? The purple person? dated 31 May 2005
That is such bullshit.
If you have someone with a medical diagnosis of Alzheimer’s , you don’t put their childish art along with an article on Alzheimer’s.
That art is to alienate “normal” people from the “schizophrenic” one.
Get any normal person to draw some art ( who has limited skill) and how different would it look ?
@RamonaAStone
RE” messages from the radio” from drug withdrawal. Anyone who quits a mind altering drug with have withdrawal symptoms.
If your friend goes off the psych drugs out in the quiet country and does not have a radio to listen to, he can not get any messages.
If he/she was out in the country and had to work daily on a farm from sunrise to sunset, he/she would be likely to sleep the night through from exhaustion.
The luxury of a radio and the money to take a cab from Albany to NYC (from a crazy idea), did not exist 150 years ago.
Great article, but IMO you have to be careful about using the word “medication”.
You wrote “Optimal health is not possible through medication.” This statement is wrong in physical illness.
You have to write “Optimal health is not possible through psychiatric medication.”
Regarding ” The main outcome for the study will be people’s levels of social functioning.”
Right.
A set up for failure if you ask me.
I as a mental patient, a scapegoat of my/for my family dysfunction will still exist if I am medicated or not medicated.
My mother and fathers conviction that I am mentally ill (because a doctor told them so) will continue.
If un-drugged I would say more conflict will occur. The whole point of the psychiatric drugs is to get the person stupid , apathetic and easy to control by those in authority.
Those in authority (paying the bills to get a docile patient) are not going to like the outcome.
“parents are … told that their child has a brain disease, that they need drugs” from BPDtrans
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“Mothers and fathers blame themselves, but that is another matter, and indeed they blame themselves for almost anything.” from the article
Don’t you believe in the magical medication? Psychiatry is a religion of worship of magical pills.
I enjoy my full cognition off of the meds/drugs/poisons. “Psychotic” is a fiction, the only question is how functional are you in this crazy world? You can only look after yourself with intelligence, if meds/drugs/poisons deprive you of your intelligence, you are doomed to failure.
Noam Chomsky believes in mental illness, and locking up the mentlly ill. I do not have a reference at hand, but I do not think you can look to him for support .
Many people do not want `”freedom of speech” of those they do not like.
I worry how this “app” separates people into two different groups, and gives doctors an excuse to drug people to “help” them (the different ones), when the legal drugs cause the (serious) brain malfunction . Selling drugs and more drugs.
Don’t stop the drugs right? Antipsychotic drug reduces the size of a brain region that controls movement and coordination “Within a day, volunteers’ brains returned to almost their original size as the effects of the single haloperidol dose subsided. Meyer-Lindenberg says this result should alleviate fears that the drug destroys brain cells. “We know it’s not killing neurons because the brain rebounds,” he says. http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100606/full/news.2010.281.html
prescription pads? you mean jails?
Once in the jail that isn’t a jail (because those in authority call it a hospital), what is the warden and guards to do with upset prisoners? They have to drug them/give them “medicine”.
You have to tell someone what they are doing wrong, you can’t just put them in prison and give them magical chemicals. http://psychcentral.com/ask-the-therapist/2007/04/30/how-do-you-confront-a-schizophrenic/
“Nothing good or productive can come from such a confrontation.”
“Involuntary mental hospitalization and the insanity defense should be seen for what they are: symmetrical symbols of psychiatric power. In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty.”Szasz
Yes to the “Insubordination is their (the behavior police/people like Allen Frances) justification for throwing people into the loony-bin”
The problem of free will versus real brain disease (an actual physical problem with the functioning of the brain).
The delusional Dr Allen Frances believes the drugs are medicine.
This is all coming from hunting the woozle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woozle_effect
The psych doctors can not admit to making a mistake in the past and very few can hold them accountable.
Screening everyone for Diabetes would be a good idea as it is both a medical matter and their is science to a treatment based on valid chemistry.
Screening everyone for depression like Vivek Datta, MD, MPH writes is not a “thing” that that simply exists in a vacuum. Depression is an idea . There is no science to confirm near 100% reliability. The treatment after a diagnosis of depression is not 100% successful, as there are no chemicals to correct.
To myself this looks like mandatory religion. Everyone must worship the magical chemicals of psychiatry that “treat” depression.
It is who has the power. If the Hare Krishna had the power to do “depression screenings” they would. They would then expand their following. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA7C2uADjzk
“Far too many people who need drugs don’t take them — either because treatment is unavailable or because they don’t realize or accept the fact that they need it.
So we are trapped in the cruel, dumb, and sometimes tragic paradox that the wrong people often take meds, while the right ones don’t.”
This is the opposite of your opinion of “I think people should have the right to refuse unwanted treatment.”
This all comes from medicine having the burden to deal with the mentally ill, or those who are not obeying orders. Why aren’t you obeying orders?
It is all about obeying orders. Be the cog in the machine that is consuming and poisoning the natural resources of the planet. “‘Doomsday Clock’ remains at 3 minutes to midnight amid ‘serious danger'” http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/doomsday-clock-1.3421856
Voluntary VS involuntary is not relevant to my comment. A doctor is supposed to heal in the same way Jesus healed the sick. As there is no physical illness in mental illness the psychiatrist is far closer to playing the role of “Jesus” than a doctor of (physical) science.
That the psychiatric medication “work” is a subjective point of view, similar to asking a fox if he guards the chickens correctly. Of course the fox will report he is doing a good job. There is no one to contest the fox’s report but the fact of the increase of the chicken population, and the increase of sickness in the chickens.
No one is white. No one is black. People are different colors, ask any innocent child. Only the cartoon character the “Joker” is white.
No one is permanently “mad”, but yes all humans can sin. In the past sins were forgiven. In psychiatry they are written down and recorded, never to be forgot.
Psychiatry is a confidence trick. The elitists needed a valid scientific claim to their genetic superiority to the common folk, who they kill, steal from and mistreat for money.
““You will Do well to try to Inoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts, as well as to try every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Inexorable Race.” Lord Amherst 1763 letter to Colonel Bouquet.
A “Black” person self identifies as black, and names himself black. A “Gay” person self identifies as gay, and names himself gay.
A “Mad” person is named mad by a fraudulent doctor, who is in perpetual fear of an unknown future.
To abate the fear of the future the doctor poisons the person/patient/prisoner in the present moment, to prevent a possible “bad” outcome. The act of poisoning in the present moment fulfills the prophesy of doom.
I don’t agree with separating people on preconceptions or on prejudice ( judging people before they have done anything good or bad).
These are the references cited in the article that may be used as new evidence of “safe and effective”.
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Regarding “who are hoping for some sort of relief.” in the twelve 12th paragraph from the top.
People have been struggling with the burden of knowledge since man/woman ate of the tree of knowledge, or if you like since Homo sapiens developed a higher intelligence. If people come to you looking for help, you do the best you can.
I am 47 years old, designated seriously mentally ill at the age of 19. At my local hospital, at that time (1987) there were no locked doors to the psychiatric ward. If someone had the need/ability to leave they could attempt it.
You can only give medicines/drugs to those that want them.
For treatment, I would suggest looking at the senses that send information to the brain-mind. To reduce the stimulus as much as possible. Then the brain-mind might calm down.
Sight , sound , and smell are some of our most important senses. If doctors really want to help disturbed people they have to place their patients where there is tranquility. No internet, no city entertainment.
Being locked into a building is not at all calming in my opinion. The days, weeks, or months locked inside makes people worse, not better. As any animal locked in a cage is conditioned similarly.
Removing the mind that man/women received in the Garden of Eden is the job you signed up for as a psychiatrist. Look at psychiatry’s history. Destroying the brain is the cure/treatment.
Christians use Jesus’s death and return to deal with the burden of guilt/worry from knowledge of good and evil.
People without religion free themselves from responsibility with the scientific medical diagnosis of “bipolar disorder” and such psychiatric descriptions of behaviour.
Chance of “Relapse” means the persons spirit is not dead yet.
“Apathy and indifference is the final result of all of the most potent psychiatric treatments.” Peter R. Breggin, MD
Stupid people made stupid from various psychiatry treatment can not look after themselves or be employed from their physical lack of brain cells where our thought and intelligence comes from.
I hope self autonomy is included in the judgment of successful psychiatric outcomes. I think it is the most important factor.
Szasz wrote the only sin ( a choice people make) left is a lack of compassion, everything else (vice and virtue) has been medicalized.
People believe it is compassionate to help the mentally ill, but who gets to judge who is mentally ill?
“Involuntary mental hospitalization and the insanity defense should be seen for what they are: symmetrical symbols of psychiatric power. In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty.” Szasz
Too much compassion is given to the criminal. The purpose of prison is to keep law abiding people safe from dangerous ones. People can only be put in prison if (there is evidence of) a crime has occurred. Past tense.
Psychiatry is needed for the present time, the present fear of possible crimes performed by those who look/act different than the norm.
If psychiatry does get the power to judge, personal freedoms will further disappear.
RE”a sin is when God is not looking” is wrong. Yes the creator is always present. In the bible when he asks Cain what happened to his brother I am sure God knew. We have freewill to chose to do evil or good. Without freewill we would be mindless robots.
The world wars killed millions of people , God wasn’t looking at that time?
The creator gave us a heaven or hell , it’s what we make of it.
What makes a plant grow? What makes a wound heal? Only God.
I am sorry you were silenced by psychiatry.
“why the psychiatrists have convinced society that unusual thoughts are a reason to stigmatize someone”
I wasn’t alive in 1940 when they first discovered/invented penicillin, but I believe most everyone went to church back then.
Weird people used to be believed to be diseased or have Devils in them. You didn’t want to catch it. Penicillin killed most disease.
Death was common before penicillin and the discovery of the four blood types.
The brain chemical imbalance (wrongly) explained the unusual thoughts in the “mentally ill”.
Everyone wants an easy answer to why some people are crazy and psychiatry gives it to them.
The truth is that people are gradually made crazy every day until you have a person who has little free will, for example the Anorexic who can’t eat.
“For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them”
Punish them with drugs, electroshock and all that brain damaging stuff.
Why do we have psychiatrists? you asked.
They are exploiting human feelings as a means to profit. They profit in power, power as authority and financially. The same way religion profits in power.
With the current concept of mental illness, the person is not responsible, a half truth. We are not responsible for choosing our feeling, but we are responsible for choosing our actions ( that lead to feelings).
Humans will always have emotions and the ability to “sin” . As they have removed the sinner from their sin ( their choice to sin) the psychiatrist are in total control.
The question to me is “How long can this new religion work for?”
I saw a show on TV last night of DBS for anorexia. The supposed doctor said (and maybe believes) the patients have no free will. With this belief the patient can not control their actions, it justifies the dangerous surgery for DBS.
I wonder of the future. Will everyone who does not follow orders have DBS placed in their brain? Mass production will bring the cost down, like the first VCR was $10,000.
The ultimate in sadomasochism, compelled to follow orders by wires in ones brain.
What? You don’t want the cure for mental illness? You really are sick. You really do need DBS to make you see the truth.
I am supposed to be consuming an antipsychotic, for the fear of mental illness returning, I don’t.
Most people advocate a slow withdrawal, I advocate a quick one.
Rational behaviour comes from rational thinking.
Do I have brain damage from previous medications/drugs? It doesn’t matter. All that matters is today. What am I doing today? You prove yourself sane or insane by your actions.
“My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear.
Optimism is better than despair.
So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world.” Jack Layton
This can be sent to the FDA
Another study for those looking for evidence “Morbidity in electroconvulsive therapy.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11473557
51 out of 75 had significant problems.
“suggest that electroconvulsive therapy is not a low-risk procedure” in the conclusion.
Luke 13:6-9 (New International Version)
Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’
Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’
From 1939 to 1945 Hitler and “Action T4” attempted to cut down all the presumed genetically defective, but there is no genome for mental illness. Many others were sterilized. Anyone can be a productive citizen.
No one wants to kill the mentally ill for not producing any work or art, but the mentally ill can not bear fruit if the keeper is poisoning them continually.
And the keeper gets paid until the tree/mentally ill dies from the poisons.
The proof that keeping people on drugs is a mistake will help many people have productive lives ( when they are forgiven their mistakes).
I thank you for your work Robert Whitaker. The billions spent on mental illness might be more wisely spent to help people get better, not worse. Future generations may thank you as well.
I found a 14 person study PDF on breggin. What a study! Done by someone selling electroshock (Freeman) and such a large sample size (not). Too bad they could not force ECT on two participants who refused to continue eh? (joke) http://www.breggin.com/ECT/DblblndCntrlldTrlECTSmltdDI.pdf
Has anyone done the efficacy tests? As in double blind? As in both groups are given anesthesia but only one group has electroshock. Then at different time interval 3 months 6 months 9 months tested for cognitive function and patient satisfaction rating ?
Different hospitals in Quebec – Canada have different electroshock rates as well.
One location has a 5.1 out of 1000 people receiving electroshock, while the average rate of the Provence is 1.06 out of 1000.
Voluntary verses UN-voluntary is the issue. The heartless “Start” application just advocates more miracle drugs, to this current age of molecule worshipers.
The commenters here upset about Dr. Healy’s promotion of electroshock fail to distinguish the salesman from the involuntary commitment law. If someone wants brain damage from a doctor they should have the right to get it, the same way a plastic surgeon has the right to mutilate someone face if the patient seeks it.
If the patient is not in jail, the jailers can not force electroshock on to their patient.
Get one out of four doctors hooked on fake medicine ( withdrawal symptoms prevent quitting) , and doctors are sure to support the selling of the drug! http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.ca/2014/11/happy-pills.html
Doctor “You want to quit your medicine? There is something wrong with you!”
Regarding “antipsychotics given to a previously healthy, non-psychotic person do, indeed, cause psychosis” by Someone Else. Yes, I agree.
I would also like to add , my experience of confinement , I call jail, others would call hospitalization probably made me crazy as well. To survive the jail , I had to become a dog for my masters.
Everyone else there in the jail/hospital is conditioned or brainwashed like Pavlov’s dog experiment.
I find my left hand doing things my right hand doesn’t know about, unconscious movement. I don’t think I had this before my jail time, but there is no way to prove where it came from.
First they said I was crazy, then they made me crazy.
You can’t take a photo of a drug in the blood/brain influencing a persons emotions.
If anything mitigates his crime, it would be a drugs effects on his decision making ability.
Can anyone make sane decisions on crack-cocaine or meth?
Regarding “Someone Else”:” most so called “schizophrenia” today is a result of doctors misdiagnosing symptoms… ”
I agree totally with you. “Schizophrenia” was invented before antibiotics were discovered, invented before science found many physical explanations for irrational behavior. The subject being trough emotional trauma explains the non-physical causes of weird behavior.
Regarding “Currently a great deal of work is looking at the genetic markers for disorders like schizophrenia. Although for the most part these seem only to be hints of the level of risk for a disorder, it is conceivable that distinct causes will be discovered.”
You are wrong. The word “schizophrenia” is as meaningless as a diagnosis of “witchcraft”.
If anything is wrong in the male “schizophrenic”, it’s that they are not having sexual relations. Sexual relations controlled by society, totally UN-natural.
The sexophobic can’t contemplate the idea of humans being just like all the other animals who respond to natures compulsion to mate (from hormones).
Testosterone production and “schizophrenia” match on the graphs.
Can you control dogs, cats or any other animal in “heat”? Not very easily.
It’s not hormones though. No, No. It’s schizophrenia. We humans are not animals to be controlled by nature. We don’t eat, breath and sh*t like all the other animals.
Behaviour is not a disease, a disease to be treated by drugs. There is nothing physically wrong with the children so you can not apply a physical-medicinal solution. Total insanity.
“it can be hard to know where to draw the line.”
It is easy to know where to dry the line.
Is there any measurable visual defect in the human (brain) to start off with? X-ray, MRI that sort of detection .
No?
Then anything consumed to alter mood-thought-mind is a drug ( a luxury) and not a medicine.
Lack of sleep is perfect for selling more drugs , as there is something wrong with that kid! He isn’t learning so he needs drugs, and you need sleep fro the brain be able to properly learn and remember material.
Bunch of criminals and no one to stop them.
RE: “After a patient is given a label ” this is also in the context of voluntary VS involuntary “medical” treatment. Some people do seek a label from an official.
In other terms a psychiatric diagnosis is simply a description of the behaviour of the “patient”.
But with the magic of PAPER the diagnosis is written down to be remembered forever more. Never forgiven for your sins.
Such as the diagnosis of a broken leg is written down on paper. The difference between the broken leg diagnosis/description and the psychiatric diagnosis/description, is that everyone expects the mental illness is forever, but the leg to heal.
RE ” They’re not always adults either- there are children”
Yes, child psychiatry should be illegal. No drugs should be put into otherwise physically healthy children.
“atrophy from lack of use” brain tissue loss is from the poison, not from lack of use. Like saying a frogs legs have atrophied from lack of use , when they have been chemically paralyzed or cut off.
The psychiatrists are making stupid people more stupid in order to “help” them. I predict the next swing of the pendulum will be to make stupid people smarter instead.
The radiation is said to be insignificant “In higher elevation areas such as Colorado, the background exposure can be up to 10 millisieverts per year, yet no increased incidence of cancer in higher background radiation locations has been observed. A CT scan can deliver anywhere from 2 to 10 millisieverts of radiation, depending on what type of scan a patient receives. For exams requiring multiple scans, this can add up to 20-30 milliSieverts, but this is still considered a low dose of radiation. For some, scans, such as a head CT, the exposure is very low, about 1 – 2 milliSieverts.”
and “Some patients will opt to have the MRI because it does not use ionizing radiation.” http://www.news-medical.net/news/20130531/Mayo-Clinic-experts-provide-some-insight-about-radiation-dose-from-CT-imaging.aspx
We have legal drug dealers and legal clients consuming drugs. If both parties are adults and happy, I have no problem with the transaction.
You can only save people who want to be saved.
You wrote “(people) are likely to think: “I’m not an addict.”
Who gets to decide who is an addict?
Some people successfully use alcohol to cope with life’s problems, and some people use legally prescribed drugs to stay functional in the world.
The words “medicine” and “drug” have to be defined and taught in school is all that needs to be done.
BUT with so many children on DRUGS this isn’t going to happen.
A medicine has a start and finish date, a drug does not have a finish date.
In a perfect world, every “mentally ill” patient would be brain scanned on a yearly basis , like our teeth are X-rayed to detect cavities, to see if and where brain damage, or brain changes are taking place.
But as you all know , there is nothing physically wrong with the brain in the mentally ill, the mentally ill are not following orders of those in authority ( involuntary psychiatry).
In the case of voluntary psychiatry , people believe something is physically wrong with their brain and need a medicine for their illness ( from a psychiatrist-doctor).
As science is confronting the legitimacy of psychiatric drugging (nothing wrong with the brain), I have hope for the future. Like phrenology went out of fashion, psychiatry might as well.
There is no anti dote to antipsychotics /neuroleptics. People die of excited delirium not an overdose of neuroleptics. The magical pills can only do GOOD things to people.
“hunk of the negative stigma around being diagnosed “mentally ill” comes from the diagnosis and the people who assign it. —- Steve”
I agree.
This stigma is part of the system. If the “patient” feels there is nothing wrong with himself, why does he need any help?
The helper can not help the “sick” without the sick believing they are sick and need help from someone learned.
There needs to be some kind of evidence the person is ill. A brain chemical imbalance induced by psychiatric drugs is perfect.
“The antipsychotics block 70-90 percent of the dopamine receptors in the brain. In (response) return, the brain sprouts about 50 percent extra dopamine receptors. It tries to (compensate) become extra sensitive. So in essence you’ve created an imbalance in the dopamine system in the brain. You (now) have too many dopamine receptors. And what happens? People that go abruptly off of the (antipsychotic) drug, do tend to have severe relapses.” ― Robert Whitaker
@bpdtransformation, B.A.
Regarding “Where do you draw the line between the guy who needs to keep 2,676 old magazines in his bedroom and the guy who only needs to keep 65?” If the guy with 2,676 magazines has other rooms that are fully functional ( bathroom , bedroom, kitchen), yes there is no difference between the two. If the guy with 2,676 magazines lived in the country, no one would care if his house caught on fire or was filled with bugs/vermin. Its only because he is close to others who have possessions in a city that an individuals hoarding can be questioned by authority.
Regarding ” an ISIS prisoner being forced to walk from a prison to their mass grave site…. a North Korean being forced to toil on a farm against their will”
Or a person labeled mentally ill is forced to take-ingest chemicals that shorten his life by 25 years?
ISIS prisoner could chose to get shot where he stands. Korean could chose not to eat/work.
“etiology + biological processes”
Right. You say there is no mental illness as in biological illness. That is why its called mental not physical illness.
I say there is no such thing as money (physical), yet everyone else believes money exists.
The diagnosis of mental illness I received at age 19 gave me the motivation to commit suicide.
I had no future, but one of pain and suffering.
Psychiatrists make brain diseases in their victims when they use fear, force and fraud to get the “patient” to consume psychiatric drugs. The system is perfect, if it wasn’t perfect it wouldn’t exist.
Regarding “alcoholism and hoarding”…”they’re problematic behaviors”.
A behavior is something you can choose to do , or not to do. In both drug addiction and hoarding the person is not in control of their actions. They apparently have no choice.
Drug addicts have a physical dependency on a chemical. The hoarder might be already on mind altering psychiatric drugs.
People do have mental illnesses , but the wealthy and powerful usually get to decide who is and who isn`t.
An example where the person is NOT mentally ill, but another person thinks they are is the husband and wife who are fighting. In the past if the man was wealthy enough he could put his complaining wife away in a “hospital” after accusing her of being mentally ill for not obeying (his) orders.
Today people do use the persuasion of psychiatry on their misbehaving children, who are not really “sick” in a medical way. Little do they know of the damage they are causing to their child’s soul.
An example of genuine mental illness would be the hoarder. I think you have seen examples on TV . The person has an irrational fear of throwing anything out, and their homes are firetraps and/or full of bugs and vermin.
Another example of genuine mental illness is someone who abuses drugs such as alcohol , in excess. They use so much drugs their life is unmanageable, as in they can not perform any kind of work.
Who gets to call who mentally ill?
People who are overcome by their feeling of anger ARE mentally ill? Rather than criminals?
People fear the “mentally ill” will be angry? so drug them for life? to prevent them from becoming criminals?
The_cat, you wrote ““Resistant to placement” Ya kind of proves I was sane. ”
I do agree with you. Hanging out with “dudes who all day talk about drugs, tattoos, legal problems (etc)” is the wrong thing to do.
Hang out with the healthy not the sick.
RE: how do you explain people who get depressed in the winter?
People used to sleep all winter , before modern lighting / industrialization took place.
“Economists and bureaucrats who ventured out into the countryside after the Revolution were horrified to find that the work force disappeared between fall and spring. The fields were deserted from Flanders to Provence. Villages and even small towns were silent, with barely a column of smoke to reveal a human presence. As soon as the weather turned cold, people all over France shut themselves away and practiced the forgotten art of doing nothing at all for months on end.” http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/opinion/25robb.html?_r=0
In real science you do not start with a conclusion instead of a hypothesis and then design a study that proves the conclusion.
They literally wrote “Schizophrenia is a complex genetic disorder…” at clinicaltrials.gov.
George Combe a person who made his living from selling phrenology wrote”Mental qualities are determined by the size, form and constitution of the brain; and these are transmitted by hereditary descent”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Combe
where the money comes from. wealthy philanthropists.
“U.S. Scientists’ Role in the Eugenics Movement (1907–1939): A Contemporary Biologist’s Perspective” 2008 Steven Farber http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2757926/
I disagree with the transformation of shame to pride of “mental illness”. The treatment received by the “patient” after a psychiatric diagnosis creates a lifelong problem.
Social workers like to thank psychiatry for the Government disability payments from the medical paperwork psychiatrist submit, but neglect to recognize the hospital is a jail (without a trial), the psychiatric medicines given or forced are poisons that make people become their “diagnosis”. The family who believes the prediction create the bad future out of fear of the unknown future.
Intellectual disabilitiesy ( lack of intelligence) that prevents someone from having a job and holding on to the job can be recognized as the real reason for a Government disability cheque. To use “mental illness” as a reason comes with the baggage of psychiatric drug treatment.
If someone is reasonable and can be communicated with, they can no longer be called/named/judged “Mad”.
The organization of the “Mad” is contradictory and paradoxical.
Thank you for the full text of the article because the medical document at ncbi.nlm.nih.gov is not on display for the public.
I will use this resource material in online discussions of genetics and mental illness.
You asked “I have wondered where – if anywhere – psychiatrists fit in to a reformed system.”
1)Psychiatrists first job is involuntary commitment for the person talking or acting suicidal. The fast suicide. Stopping people whose (temporary) strong emotions lead them to the conclusion that suicide is the solution to their problems.
People have the freedom for the slow suicide of alcohol-tobacco-drugs , obesity and such.
When committed the person-patient must be given the reason(s) why they were committed.
2) Any and all drugs used to modify the patients thoughts/feelings can only be for the emergency and not given long term.
The mental patient is often the scapegoat of a family situation. Some doctors can blame the family for inducing the mental illness on the patient. BUT the doctors overlook their own involvement in the scapegoating. When the person-patient receives a psychiatric diagnosis this legitimizes family members transference of their feelings onto the person-patient. All the mothers and fathers fears of psychosis are transferred onto the family member. The parents worst fear is losing their child, which bad psychiatrist exploit. All children must leave their parents to become adults, psychiatry should help in the healthy separation, not the continual dependence.
People attribute mental illness to the DNA genome, but it is the lack of emotional skills the family has that is transferred to the child. Example : If both parents have anger management problems, they in no possible way, can teach healthy anger management to their child. This is not the childs fault or the parents fault, but must be confronted.
So in conclusion I think family confrontations have to take place. Where presently the scapegoat is drugged into silence.
With drawing from psych drugs and a family confrontation would lead to violence as someone can not easily control themselves from the REAL induced brain chemical imbalance (given by the doctor).
The role of healthy psychiatry would be to teach people how to handle their emotional problems cognitively (from the inside) not with a chemical solution ( the outside).
A solution I think of is a (mandatory) lawyer for every psychiatric patient. The “patient” does not have to request one. The doctors would have to admit the hospital they work in is really a jail (for people to get lawyers), so I don’t think that is going to happen.
The “patient” must be undrugged, the lawyer must be educated to use all forms of communication to be able to talk with his/her client. Written, vocal, sign language, foreign language recognition.
The patient-prisoner must be given a chance to escape ( from what crime? a brain chemical imbalance?) a chance to prove they are “sane” , as in their actions are based on reasons.
Thanks for the critic of the New York Times Magazine.
Did you write the author Susan Dominus , with a short critic ?
from the article [ the identical twins reared apart who each showed up for research wearing seven rings, or the reared-apart sisters who rubbed their noses the same way and called it ‘‘squidging.’’]
The wearing of rings is a cultural phenomenon.
How many different ways are there to rub ones nose?
Do they breath , eat, and use the bathroom the same way?
At least we still have the freedom to think and complain.
“Who dares not speak his free thoughts is a slave.” Euripides c. 480 BC–406 BC
I think Szasz identified the problem with doctors being necessary to obtain drugs. As long as adults need a prescription from a doctor to get a drug, psychiatry will be needed by the general public.
Besides psychiatry trumping criminal law, where the person must first be judged “sane” before going to trial . The insanity defense has to be removed from the law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity_defense
Great point! To get “psychiatric survivor” commonly known to the layman is a great idea.
On Wikipedia I had an argument about the validity of the term “psychiatric survivor”.
“What official body would name them “psychiatric survivors”? a psychiatrist is going to name someone a psychiatric survivor?” I wrote.
“no, but it is also unlikely that the NY Times or any other reputable publisher would use a term like that in its own voice. ” was the response
“I had a detective tell me to volunteer myself into the hospital ”
I had my loving parents do this. My unschooled parents (grade 9) believed the lies of men in white coats, doctors.
When your own parents back stab you for your “health” ( out of fear of the future) , who can you trust?
Parents naturally fear for the health of their children , and naturally trust someone licensed as a doctor. And the psychiatrist exploits the fear of the possible bad future by selling magical pills that magically make people think and be “good” instead of “bad”.
That the psychiatric drugs can make people appear to have an Intellectual disability, or over time the drugs in fact create one through brain shrinkage/damage, is criminal.
I agree that most drugging of prisoners/patients is the act of a monster, but if a prisoner/patient is un-drugged they will complain of being in prison-that-isn’t-a-prison-it’s-a-hospital.
Psychiatry is needed to stop people from (quickly) killing themselves.
Lots of time and money have been spent on most people to get them where they are, most people can be productive citizens. To lose productive citizens from temporary/transient feelings of despair is not profitable.
The continual drugging of patients to suppress symptoms has to stop. There is only so much dirt you can hide by sweeping it under the rug.
I do not think it is a biblical prophesy, it is merely Doctors can not admit to their limits (too big a head), or if you pay someone enough money they will come up with a treatment for a non-physical illness.
Family of the person-in-distress/patient ask or need a Doctor to fix their loved one, the Doctor obliges them by drugging the patients brain, then can’t stop the drugs.
I am a psychiatric survivor and like to think of myself as realist.
I believe in involuntary commitment. The golden rule, he/she who has the gold makes the rules.
Mary G aged 32 woman was apparently homeless.
She could not take care of herself , so what you did was most probably a mercy.
I would suggest people like this do not have the intelligence and discipline to look after themselves and not a “mental illness”. If people are judged having a mental illness , they would ” need” psychiatric drugs. Or obviously living without a home makes anyone crazy with, no sleep , no food, no clean water to drink and bath in, etcetera.
If you take away the freedom of people like Mary, you have to give them an honest chance of escape from captivity.
If the patient is psychdrugged they can not cognitively think to ask – argue for their freedom. The default is drug everyone stupid so they can’t complain about the captivity . The drug companies make billions. The patients can’t prove their innocence (there are no brain chemical imbalances to correct). No one in power is made upset by this nobody being drugged immobile.
If it is court mandated that you take the psych meds/poison, you would not want to destroy the tracker, otherwise you would go back to the prison-that-isn’t-a-prison-it’s-a-hospital for not obeying orders.
Everyone is magically a “patient” of psychiatry , when there are two different kinds of patients.
The two are 1) Those that want the drugs, and 2) Those that do not want the drugs.
First they name you mad, then they make you mad with the drugs and unlawful imprisonment.
I wonder when/if the confidence trick is going to end.
I think it is dangerous territory for “Parity in Mental Health Treatment” , when we have voluntary and involuntary Mental Health Treatment.
If the “doctor” decides who is ill based on the “patients” behaviour, and there is unlimited money , many people will be “helped”/jailed until they kiss the ass of the doctor in charge.
Love of Money used to be a sin of greed, now money-greed is what runs the world.
Compassion for inanimate objects is called hording today, people continuously purchase items and can not throw stuff out.
Regarding:”Aren’t anger (and fear) obviously mental illnesses? ”
Yes , just like Love and compassion are mental illnesses. The feeling overrides rational, logical thought.
The Mommy or Daddy wants to stay in control of their child, (the King+Queen do not want to lose their power) psychiatric drugging of the patient gives the parent this opportunity. Who is the psychiatrist (prescribing the drugs) working for?
It’s all about following orders. The psych drugs make people stupider, stupider is easier to control but creates a never ending dependency on authority.
copy and pasted from internet search
QUIZ: AM I IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A CONTROL FREAK?
• Does this person keep claiming to know what’s best for you?
• Do you typically have to do things his way?
• Is he so domineering you feel suffocated?
• Do you feel like you’re held prisoner to this person’s rigid sense of order?
• Is this relationship no fun because it lacks spontaneity?
Please do not forget the physical effects of the psychiatric drugs to make people look crazy.
tardive dyskinesia and other physical manifestations.
If people look crazy, they will be treated differently at best.
The human face is what everyone looks for , for feedback during a conversation.
The psychs report or complain of lack of emotion “Affective flattening, Akathisia, ect” when they have just poisoned their patients brain. They are con men and quacks.
Do not get too angry at them in public, or you might be named psychotic then fall under their power and be “helped” for your illness of anger.
My experience of psychiatric hospital-prison is that it is worse than criminal prison.
Why? No right to face your accuser, what was I accused of being delusional about? No one tells you. You need to take this poison we call medicine.
What a joke.
The man (Josh Priess) in the article said “a five-day nightmare in jail that he says ruined his life.”
Five days? Boo Hoo . I’m crying for you. NOT
A real living nightmare is being poisoned by people who say they are helping you. A real living nightmare is when you have no lawyer and no trial. A real living nightmare is being unable to see and talk from the poisons your jailers are forcing on you. A real living nightmare goes on for months, not days. A real living nightmare is no access to toilet facilities or water. A real living nightmare is being tied down (posey belt).http://shop.posey.com/Images/products/1135-6_200x200_Posey%C2%AE-Self-Releasing-Roll-Belt.jpg
A real living nightmare goes on for months, not days.
Being naked and declaring someone your wife ( who doesn’t wish to be) is obviously a mental health issue, not a criminal case. This kind of person would not respond to the authority of the police who would be called when the problem was reported. Naked person would not obey the polices requests, so the police would naturally be angry that their authority is not respected. The police can’t tell by looking at someone if they are sane or insane. What happens then?
Any murder you find is usually an act of violence. Anger is typically irrational and can not be reasoned with. The opposite yet equal to being in love. Can you reason someone out of love?
Police have to assume someone is a criminal (for not obeying) rather than delusional.
The proper response to people who believe in creationism, rather than science, is to explain the science to them. Explain how the Sun is the center of the solar system, its size-mass in relation to Earths size-mass.
I would carefully try to confront the delusion-problem of property ownership of Mickey.
Assuming Mickey was well fed, clean, and had adequate sleep and all those details.
Mickey has to follow the rules, if he doesn’t , he goes to prison. Can he follow the rules? Still has to go to prison on the (mentally ill) assumption he is evil instead of good.
I agree with squash August 20, 2015 at 12:25 pm
The most dangerous thing about delusional psychiatry is that the psychiatric treatment of drugs and torture can create the diagnosis they first gave the patient. A “positive” feedback loop coming from the fear of madness (in the psychiatrist). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback The end result is a lobotomized patient.
Psychiatry is a tool of the machine, the machine of mankind that is consuming the planets fossil resources.
People enjoy the simple answer of “brain chemical imbalance” that psychiatry supplies ( to the question of “What is mental illness?”).
“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I’m liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That’s what’s insane about it.”John Lennon
You wrote “How many elderly dads and moms are out there, heads and eyes rolling from side to side, desperately trying to but unable to speak, who are not so fortunate?”
I will modify it to “How many schizophrenics are out there, heads and eyes rolling from side to side, desperately trying to but unable to speak, who are not so fortunate?”
I was like that ” heads and eyes rolling from side to side, desperately trying to but unable to speak,” at the age of 19. This behaviour helped convince my family I was schizophrenic, so I became schizophrenic.
“First they came for” back story.
{When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians – “should I be my brother’s keeper?” Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. – I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it’s right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn’t it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]?}
Kefauver Harris Amendment
“Before the Thalidomide scandal in Europe (Canada), U.S. drug companies only had to show their new products were safe. After the passage of the Amendment, an FDA New Drug Application (NDA) would have to show that a new drug was both safe and effective ” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefauver_Harris_Amendment
What if you could watch where the electricity flows in a computer “brain” CPU , would it tell you what it is doing?
I imagine two kinds of computers, one in a factory production line, one in your living-room playing chess.
Neither CPU under visual study of where electrons are flowing would tell you what the CPU was doing in the real world.
Washington Feb 25 Dr Haskell J. Weinstein, a former research director for a big drug
manufacturing company, today said doctors are being brainwashed by the drug industry.
And his predecessor on the job with Charles Pfizer and Company – Dr. Martin A. Seidell
– told the Senate Antitrust and Monopoly Subcommitte in a prepared statement that he
resigned in protest against the firm’s “perverted marketing attitudes.”
Weinstein aimed his testimony at the drug manufacturing industry in general, rather
than at Pfizer. He said he had never met Seidell before Wednesday and that they were
acting independently in their testimony.
Weinstein criticized promotional activities by the drug industry, which he said
sometimes gave physicians less than a full picture of the effect of new drugs.
He charged that the result is that “the patient … is often exposed to drugs which
have been incompletely evaluated and which not infrequently are hazardous.”
“He (the physician) has been taught, one might almost say brainwashed, to think of the
trade mark names of the drug at all times.
“Even new disease states have been invented to encourage the use of some drugs..
“He (the physician) has been exposed to remarkable little information concerning the
efficacy of the drugs he is asked to prescribe. Instead he is seduced with gimmicks of
all sorts in an effort to make him loyal to a particular product or a particular drug,
with relatively little attention being paid to the specific merits of the drug”
The Pfizer Company issued a denial of the allegations of both men.
RE “Incurable AND genetic” If and when the human being makes mistakes, it is not a human mistake, it is the mental illnesses fault. The patient needs more drugs for his illness.
Remember that the wrong behaviour used to called sins (Lust Gluttony Greed Sloth Wrath Envy Pride), and every imperfect human will always sin, therefore need more “helpful” psychiatric drugs.
The patient is scolded in hospital-jail for not moving when in a cast( psych drugged into a stupor). GO GET YOUR FOOD (breakfast:when you get there there is no food).
Working in mental health is just like fixing a broken leg. Fixing it wrong.
You put a cast on the break, then you keep the cast on forever.
If the patient or the doctor takes the cast off everyone believes the leg is still broken, when the muscles have atrophied from lack of use. You can not possible walk or runon such a leg.
No one asks or addresses the reasons why the leg broke in the first place. THIS IS THE HUGE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. THE ELEPHANT USUALLY RETURNS WHEN THE CAST IS TAKEN OFF BECAUSE NO ONE CONFRONTED IT.
So the monkeys put the cast back on. The leg is broken. I didn’t break it!
The reality is the human brain shrinks from the constant poisoning.
Poisons making people more stupid, when everyone wants smart people.
Like they can not use physical violence on children to get them to behave as those in authority want, they can not use physical violence on the Dementia Patient (prisoner) , so they use drugs/chemicals that affect the brain of the “patient”.
As it is very difficult to prove any damage ( or discomfort) occurring to the “patient” , this drugging is not going to end any time soon.
Tina Mah (lead author) apparently does not know of the true purposes of psychiatry.
To control the angry proletariat, to prevent crime before it can happen with “medicine”.
The feeling and expression of anger is a mental illness.
People are supposed to be good robots and follow orders at all times.
“In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but
one into sickness. Anger, gluttony, lust, pride, sloth are all the symptoms of mental diseases.
Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.” wrote Thomas Szasz.
Let me get this straight… the standard treatment for Parkinson’s, the drug levodopa, ” Levodopa is turned into dopamine”
Then , or at the same time they give an anti-psychotic that does the opposite.
That is some crazy stuff.
regarding the Case Study: “David”
Yes his mother is attempting to control him, that is what mothers/fathers do.
The adult child named David needs to be separated from their parent before violence ( stemming from “who is in power?”) occurs.
David apparently does not know the world runs on money and he is expected to earn it when he reaches an adult age.”directed by voices to share a message”
From the description it seems Davids mother has made him crazy over the years. “David has recently stopped watching television because he believes that the outside forces are able to see him through the television, and also monitor his activities.”
It took many years to make David crazy, it will take years to make him un-crazy.
The pharmaceutical companies will profit for many years from selling drugs to control Davids behaviour.
David , having limited social skills, will have to have people paid (social worker) to converse with him (for David to stay somewhat sane).
What does David want? “Working with David as a client” Bullshit. “At a Hearing Voices Support Group” Bullshit.I doubt he wants that.
Encouraging “voices” to be external is some crazy advice.
Someone has to be direct with David and tell him what is going on in plain language. Tell him the truth.
If you put thieves together in jail, you get thieves that teach each other to become better thieves.
If you put crazy people together, sharing crazy ideas, you get them off the street, which is what everyone (making money) wants.
I think it is a serious mistake to equate the feeling of despair with the action of suicide.
“The person who kills himself sees suicide as a solution…. For the person who kills himself or plans to kill himself, suicide is, eo ipso, an action. Psychiatrists, however, maintain that suicide is a happening, the result of a disease: as coronary arteriosclerosis causes myocardial infarction, so clinical depression causes suicide.” is on the link to Szasz.
A person who is feeling despair does not have to perform the action of suicide, or think of the process of reaching suicide. In this particular example of working long hours, they could quit their job to feel better.
The question “willing to die” is a set up/frame job.
to Rob Wipond
Please stop the continuing use of “Suicidal Feelings”.
The article says ” suicidal thoughts “.
A person feels hunger , anger and despair, they do not feel the complex process of finding and preparing food (solution for hunger)
A person does not feel the complex process of finding a method and date of a suicide(solution for despair.
Y.I.S.”Take your pills, dearie, or you go to either jail or a mental hospital. ”
I think only if you have a court order ( coming from some kind of illegal act you performed) , do you have to take pills.
If you were just a criminal , you would be forgiven in time. As you have a “mental illness” diagnosis, you are never forgiven for doing something wrong.
Thank you Dr. Moncrieff , and yes to the idea of ” benzodiazepines rather than antipsychotics”.
My thoughts were/are not diseased. A benzo such as Ativan removes the feelings of fear and anger. Without fear and anger there is no violence, and communication can take place.
Obvious if you think of the effects of strong psychiatric drugs designed to make the person immobile.
If the person is not moving, it is well know muscles and bones atrophy from lack of use.
The most extreme example is an astronaut that comes back from orbiting the earth. They lose bone and muscle from lack of constant exercise.
Extreme mood variations are hard to handle. The only thing that can “cure” a high or low is the passage of time. After the peak high or low to keep the person restrained (psychiatry as crime prevention) is cruel.
The effect has been expressed as feeling like turning into a wolf/ lycanthropy
Ted you do not ask “How did this bipolar person become bipolar?” Were they born bipolar? People are made into what they are.
Psychiatry feasts on the fear of mental illness, in the subject/patient, and also in the family of the patient.
If you look for disease you will find it, the same way when you are driving , if you look at the tree in the way, you tend to drive into the tree.
Time is always flowing, a diagnosis written in Pen should be written in pencil so it can be erased one day.
As the damage is invisible , no one can see it. Only those who have experienced the drugs know the horror.
There are few survivors of the drug empire.
The doctors (that prescribe the drugs) have been conned into believing they are helping/fixing people. The doctor thinks they must do something to help their patient. Doing nothing is sometimes a hard thing to do.
Yes, you might be correct. It looks like the shooter is a life long racist and the drugs he took might be unrelated to his actions.
DRUGS still have to be mentioned. When I write of drugs I do not mean only legally prescribed ones.
The comedy cartoon the Simpsons has the character Homer say ” The cause of , and the solution to all of life’s problems…. beer”.
Szasz wrote ” Our Right to Drugs”. If all drugs are available to the public it would remove the need of the first step of (voluntary) psychiatry when someone is looking to feel better for emotional problems.
Forgot one. DRUGS
“…avoid talking about race, guns, hatred and terrorism”
It’s the which came first? The chicken or the egg?
The shooters are on psychiatric drugs that influence their mind to possibly commit illegal acts. People say the shooters are crazy, but which came first?
Few blame the drugs , because drugs make the money for the media .
” 70% of the advertising revenues for his news division come from pharmaceutical ads” http://americanfreepress.net/?p=25161
I assume you know of Dr Fuller Torrey. He wrote a paper on how the rate of schizophrenia did not decrease after the Nazis had killed 250,000 mental patients in Action T4.
Also Torrey has a self interest in refuting the schizo gene idea, as his sister is supposed to have schizophrenia, and if she gets eliminated he and his family would be eliminated as well.
“Three of every five people worldwide will live in a city by 2030”
“…found that 20 people with an average age of 26 who were diagnosed with clinical depression scored better on a series of tests of attention and short-term memory when they walked in a quiet nature setting compared with a noisy urban setting.”
If antidepressants and anti-psychotics were really attacking/affecting real physical molecules in the blood, increasing the dose might work, but as mental illnesses are metaphorical illness increasing the dose does not work.
No such thing as a suicidal feeling. That is the same as saying ” I feel like making a sandwich”, when someone feels hungry. People feel despair, then think of the solution of suicide.
Regarding “until some other profession proves itself capable of caring for the seriously mentally ill.”
That is a trick statement.
There are no seriously mentally ill , until a person has received ” help” from psychiatry.
Psychiatry turns a mildly sick person into a seriously mentally ill person with drugs and a pre-crime prison (you call a hospital).
“if this evil person were willing to analyze his or her reasons for wanting to commit this morally wrong action, these reasons would either prove to be incoherent, or they would reveal that the evil person knew he or she was doing something wrong and regarded the harm caused as a good thing.”
“… behavior and emotions are not medical problems”, (in children) is correct. Only an adult might be judged “mentally ill” , as an adult is supposed to be in control of their behavior.
The shooter was an imbecile to believe in the (power of) psychiatric diagnosis he had received.
He could not look at the objective science? What brain chemical imbalance(test)?
RE: “Smashes up his home.” This is called freedom. If the display of anger is on your property , then you can call the police.
There are no magic tablets, no chemical imbalances to fix.
RE: Cold Turkey and withdrawal
A psychiatrist will likely never withdraw their patient from drugs. I have performed the “cold turkey” method of withdrawal. I figure a month of hell is better than two years of hell.
Cold turkey can only take place if you can look after yourself, have a place to rest/sleep, money, and food, ability to get more food.
I figure the longer on the drug, the more damage being done. If anyone is young enough their body will physically heal, like it heals from any injury over time.
Exercise, healthy food, getting outside is critical.
“The mind should control the body. When you move your fingers, when you move your toes, that’s done by the mind. Remember this: your body is your slave; it works for you.”Jack LaLanne
Many doctors take the psychiatric drugs. The doctors themselves are human, suffer from emotional problems and need to believe in a pill, (Dumbos magic feather) need to believe in the hope of a magical pill.
Doctor Sandra Steingard, I thank you for the work you are doing , researching, increasing the quality of life of the S.M.I. by reducing or stopping the amount of neuroleptics.
Normal people calm their fears and worry with drugs like alcohol and cocaine. These same fears and worries are in the seriously mentally ill, when they have a fully functioning brain.
From a psychiatrists point of view which patient is easier to manage and control, the drugged or undrugged? Obviously the drugged.
I am a diagnosed “schizophrenic” who does not take “medice”. Tricky word play on medicine.
Madness in history ( before microbiology) might indeed have been caused by physical disease such as Syphilis.
Vices and Virtues
1 Lust Chastity
2 Gluttony Temperance
3 Greed Charity
4 Sloth Diligence
5 Wrath Patience
6 Envy Kindness
7 Pride Humility
Before psychiatry there was vice and virtue. We can’t have one without the other.
“In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but
one into sickness.
Anger(5), gluttony(2), lust(1), pride(7), sloth(4) are all the symptoms
of mental diseases.
Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.” wrote Thomas Szasz.
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Szasz missed Envy(6) and Greed(3) these sins run the world, money runs the world now, just like the company in the movie “Catch 22 (1970)”. Envy and greed are essential to a money based world.
Over consumption of the planets resources. If your feel something is wrong, you are diseased.
If everything is a symptom (negative and positive) , what is not? With only the possibility of positive and negative symptoms, the “patient” is no longer a human being.
Regarding “in the beginning psychiatry was something of a good barrel” . As it was the NEW age of microbiology scientists thought there was a physical problem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Jansk%C3%BD
Whitaker picks the year 1980, when the third DSM came out. They knew (scientifically) at this time there were no chemical imbalances.
Psychiatry is a religion, and I do not know how it will end as man is , and always be a sinner, or an imperfect machine that makes mistakes, a Homo sapien .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens
The fortune tellers fears will come true if people believe the lie.
“The best way to predict your future is to create it.”
“People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it’s true, or because they’re afraid it might be true. Peoples’ heads are full of knowledge, facts and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.”
Psychiatry is worse when the patient-prisoner can not speak from the dose of “medicine”. No lawyer for the accused in the mental ward because the hospital isn’t a prison (lie).
It doesn’t matter what the truth is when Pharma Co is making BILLIONS of dollars selling legal drugs. To sell legal drugs you need doctors to prescribe them.
18 Billion dollars a year in antipsychotics.
I`m sorry I don`t believe in magic. I believe in reason.
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic.” Szasz
This is bullsh*t science. If you know anything about DC electricity, you know electricity follows the easiest path , like water flowing downhill. To say the electricity is going through the brain is a guess. I would say the electricity is going through the tissue that surrounds the skull, rather than the brain.
I was sarcastic in another response, writing “Won’t you help the children?”. People do care for the children, hopefully more than their pet dog or cat.
When the current children grow up , the evidence of psychiatry working, or not working will be obvious.
Jesus the healer reportedly said , Matthew 7:15 “By their fruits you will know them”
Frances writes about the word patient.
If a person is in a room he can’t leave, that is called a jail.
He/she is not a patient.
You are acting as a Jesus-healer on someone who does not want to be healed.
I think I can speak for Szasz when I write the mind can not be diseased. The mind can be wrong or right, legal or criminal but thoughts and emotions are not diseases.” Diseases are malfunctions of the human body, of the heart, the liver, the kidney, the brain”.
If someone is NOT functioning ( eating and sleeping like a Hominid) , it may be considered a mercy to have a psychiatric intervention. RE”who is suffering a more severe form of mental illness & who isn’t”
RE: Cpuusage “How do ‘you/we’ change the system then???”
Who has the power now? The doctors. As long as legitimate doctors of science support psychiatry, psychiatry will continue. The “scientific” studies do prove lobotomy and chemical lobotomy stop unwanted behavior, but (chosen) behavior is not and has never been a medical disease.
The doctor has a need to help their patient. The doctor himself/herself needs to be patient and do nothing for the “mad”.
The tradition of giving or forcing drugs on the “mad”, has to be stopped. Drugs only lead to more drugs.
Call stupid people stupid, not mentally ill in need of medication.
Call drug addicts as drug addicts, not mentally ill.
Call (too) angry people angry, not mentally ill.
Playing devil advocate .
From the Doctors perspective , they are given a patient and told to help them. What do you as a Doctor do?
Living with artificial light , bad food and little physical exercise makes people insane , assigning all the blame of insanity to psychiatry is a mistake.
@Cpuusage.”a ludicrous position to then blame psychiatry. ” To sell “drugs” as “medicine” is criminal. To force drugs as medicine is criminal. The criminals can get away with it because they write the rules.
” a large part of the difficulties would be resolved ” if psychiatry was exposed as quackery that would end a lot of the difficulties.
“Drugs for life” is not a good solution for the patient, but it pays the drug dealer and it pays the people who supply the drugs.
Over 70% of slaves who don’t like getting beaten have apparently developed supersensitivity to NEW beatings from long-term beatings from their master.
Their skin and flesh is thin where the whips and chains have hit. http://mshistorynow.mdah.state.ms.us/images/316.jpg
Anyone who talks or writes about psychiatry as being a valid medical science before the discovery of the blood types and penicillin is insane because…
1) the percentage of the population that was mentally ill was much lower before 1945
2) the percentage of the mentally ill who had physical (brain) illness is unknown.
Jan Jansky http://old.radio.cz/cz/clanek/89008
Poisons that are not poisons. LOL.
The heavy ball and chain attached to the prisoner , severely limits the ability to jump when the prisoner is told to jump.
A human brain (with the ability to reason) is better than a drugged brain in the long term outcome most of the time.
People who are drugged can’t take care of themselves , can’t solve problems on their own.
Mommy and Daddy need to be needed, so some parents like the drugging of their children to stay the King and Queen of the family.
The Atomic bomb and nuclear warheads were made because the government thought the enemy might have them. Cost billions of dollars. Kind of weird that the Government listened to the scientists.”The first man-made self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction was initiated in CP-1 on 2 December 1942″
Regarding “I don’t know the solution to this (nastiness)”.
First you have to understand the cause. What does psychiatry do to their patient? They make them obey orders.
Humans in truth, are animals. Intelligent apes, we eat , breath, sleep and die just like all the other animals on the planet.
I hope you know of Don Weitz’s three F’s. Fear , fraud and force.http://www.antipsychiatry.org/weitz2.htm
What does an animal do when it loses its fear? It gets a chance to express anger.
The person needs to learn to modulate on their own, ( previously controlled by drugs), their level of anger.
It is okay to kill a slave historically.
“any Spartan citizen could kill a helot without fear of blood or guilt in order to keep them in line” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_rebellion
Thank you for replying literally to my angry sarcasm of ” Don’t you want to help the children?”
People have get angry to be motivated to do the work of activism, and anger is considered by many a “mental illness” of psychosis. You know what happens next.
Number One, Drugs: People need drugs.
(Voluntary patient) How are they going to get their drugs? They need a psychiatrist to legitimize their use of drugs. The psychiatrist cleans the nastiness up. They are not taking drugs, they are taking medicine. A lie. 11 Billion dollars a year in antidepressants are being sold. And the chemicals don’t work on the physical level. The chemicals work like Dumbo’s feather, but have withdrawal effects that keep people taking them.
The second reason for psychiatry is a fear of the uncertain future. Abraham Lincoln — ‘The best way to predict your future is to create it’
The helpers fear the bad future, and are blind to their own actions that create the bad future. They refuse to call drugs as drugs, refuse to call a prison a prison. Your most precious possession, your child, is what you fear the most of losing. You do not want to lose him/her to disease. You do not want to lose control over your child.
You end your writing with the psychiatric/psychopharmaceutical industry and children problem.
The children? What? Don’t you want to help the children with medicine?
On the Dr.Phil TV show yesterday “Is Our Son a Kleptomaniac?” , I saw the real life “A Clockwork Orange”(1971). They are going to fix the child with medicine. http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/2390
On the news today is the video of a cop shooting a person for no good reason, then planting the stun-gun to support his shooting.
I was asking yesterday “Do they have enough watchers to watch the watchers?”
Yes , we do. The camera is cheap enough to put everywhere and soon every law enforcement person will have to have one watching his/her actions when they are on duty.
If the video shows the officer did not identify himself, or ask the “mentally ill” person if he/she sees the badge and uniform he is wearing, it show the officer did not show due diligence when arresting someone.
If you are a police officer sitting in a cop car, and there is a (1) one criminal in the hundreds passing by, you don’t know which one it is. You the police officer have a big sign on you, identifying you work for law. The police officer is essentially a “sitting duck” for the hardened criminal to shoot at. So a paranoid attitude towards the public (by the police) is understandable in my opinion.
What police are missing is nets. They used to use nets back in the Roman Gladiator days. Today they got to shoot someone with something.
If the suspect/perpetrator has no firearm or motor-vehicle , there is no reason for deadly force.
The subject of this article is the individual under arrest being able to understand why they are under arrest. Some people refuse authority or purpose, some are too stupid to know you must obey the man/woman with the badge.
Politically incorrect to call people stupid today, but there are two kinds of stupid people who disobey the police.
Regarding “I wonder how many similar cases have been buried?”
I read health services blogs. I remember one case where the “psychotic” guy kept getting injected with antipsychotics, to fight the no-existent psychotic molecule.
The health service worker, killed his patient with a clear conscious. The patient died of “excited delirium”.
Too much apathy VS too little apathy.
Apathy ( definition from the internet) Apathy is one of the hallmark symptoms of schizophrenia . An absence of interest in or concern about emotional, social, spiritual, philosophical and/or physical life.
Why aren’t you following orders?
““Apathy and indifference is the final result of all of the most potent psychiatric treatments.” Peter R. Breggin, MD
Hospitals are for physically ill people who want medical treatment. The place is not a hospital, it is a prison.
If the person can not leave, that is called a prison.
From the start it is a lie if they call it a hospital.
Then those in the prison-that-is-not-a-prison must consume the NEW GOD of the holy magical chemical. Praise the Holy molecule. Then the prisoner gets their freedom.
warmacs analogy is true.
Like a homosexual is neither bad nor good, a schizophrenic is neither bad or good.
The homosexual/the schizo will be fixed because the doctor doesn’t like him/her , is not a medical treatment.
If a tree did not produce fruit they would cut it down. Bible “A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”
Modern psychiatry predicts a bad outcome , then makes it come true with the meds/drugs/chemicals.
“Reporting Bias in Drug Trials Submitted to the Food and Drug Administration: Review of Publication and Presentation ” Kristin Rising, Peter Bacchetti, Lisa Bero Published: November 25, 2008
Regarding the word schizophrenia. As long as people believed in witches, they named people witches. As long as there are slave owners, they will name their slaves, as slaves.
If you can’t name someone “schizophrenic” then you can not forcibly control them, such as jailing them(call it a hospital) or forcibly drug them (call it medicine).
Regarding: What is your proposed alternative?
Start with the truth. There is no brain chemical imbalance. No prescribed chemical is fixing a brain chemical imbalance.
No one should be put in prison BEFORE they commit a crime.
No child should be drugged for behaving like a child.
“I just don’t see the point in this method of criticism” you want to go back to judging witches on wither they float or not? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunking
Like the water test, modern psychiatry can only perceive success in its actions when it drugs someone.
If psychiatry does NOT drug someone , and the person gets better, how is psychiatry to get the credit?
Regarding the “Hero” role . The last psychiatrist (Dr.Chris Ballas) likely also thinks himself a Hero.
“Was Charlie really going to die in the water? Was he really going to get hit by lightning? Is Desmond actually saving him, or is it all– wishful thinking?… The action wasn’t just heroic; it was heroic and defining.”
The psychiatrist predicts the (bad) future, where no one knows the future. The psychiatric drugs do affect the brain. The family of the patient does believe the man in the white coat , and will help the doctor any way they can to save their loved one. A psychiatric diagnosis and treatment is self fulfilling prophesy.
How do you stop a con game? Stop the source of money. How? Show the money is being wasted. The “con artist” does not want the con to stop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick
Adults who want to take drugs should be given that right. Children on the other hand have to be protected by their Government.
If there is no chemical imbalance in the body/brain of a child, then they medically do not need the chemical “Ritalin”.
You have to prove a physical defect before you give ( or force) a physical solution.
Regarding the “no thank you” article link.
The question we should be asking is “Who is the insane person?”
Max Pemberton ( the author) does not think he has a mental illness.
I say he has the mental illness.
1) The patient he claims to be his, is not his patient, as the person is unwilling.
2) The chemicals he prescribes are not medicines, but drugs, for there is no physical illness in mental illness. The application of the chemical is not medicinal.
3) To lose ones freedom, is not “in their best interests” as he claims.
Frank. I am saying back before microbiology, peoples behaviors likely were caused by physical disease. You turn it around and write many with mind altering diseases were free to roam about.
If I had a real physical disease altering my mind I would want a cure, (forced treatment) wouldn’t you?
Doctors/Dorothea Dix believed they were helping people in hospitals.
The data will take too long to show up. If you have a person who has been chemically lobotomized, they are less able to take care of their health, no mind to mind the store with, so obviously they will have a shorter life span.
There are five references on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Mental_Illness
Regarding “This disabled adult” if you put someone on psychiatric drugs they can not take care of themselves due to the chemicals effects on the body and brain. What do you do then? You have to put someone in charge of the disabled adult. Does the disabled adult enjoy someone being in charge of them? Likely no, so more psychiatric drugs for any resistance to the “person-in-charge”/owners orders.
Who profits from this? The Pharma Co. selling a cure/treatment for a fictional disease everyone believes in.
Frank you ignore the reality of Syphilis in the time period of Dorothea Dix. What do you do with a mad person? Someone you can not reason with?
Yes I agree the mad should have be imprisoned at that time. Torture and death are secondary effects of the imprisonment.
Psychiatry was trying to control people who will not or can not control themselves. Before the year 1943 there was no treatment for Syphilis there was no microbiology.
Today we are left with a profession that presumed the cause of madness was a physical ailment/ physical defect. The Pharma Co. of today exploits the hope for a magic pill that will make people “good” instead of “bad”. They exploit hope for money and they get the money from Government.
Todays PRE-crime use of psychiatry is of course wrong. A person should have to commit a crime before they are sent to a helpful prison.
Regarding “The psychiatric/drug company system is not going to give up its power without a fight.”
Who is paying the “psychiatric/drug company system” ?
Who is paying the 18 billion dollar (a year) bill (U.S.) for antipsychotics?
Medicare / Medicaid is paying. Are they getting the results they want?
Descriptions of `bad`behaviours (without telling the subject what the problem is) is mostly insults.
A comic explains the psychiatric diagnosis. “You have a fat ass” is an insult so they fancy it up so the insulted doesn’t feel or perceive the insult. http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1679#comic
Do they mostly follow the rule in prisons? Yes. Why do they follow the rules? They will follow the rules eventually. I’m thinking a lawsuit and the hospital-jail has no documents to prove the patient went outside once a day.
The world runs on money. The descriptive term {“high” and “low” functioning} is not going to go away because the term is necessary to define how much money needs to be spent.
The meaning of words is what Szasz wrote about. If two people have a different meaning for the same word, they have problems. The one in power wins. Is it medicine, chemical, drug or poison? Is it a hospital or a prison? All depends on someones perspective. Then the slave must learn to agree with the master.
Blade Runner (1982)
Holden: You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back, Leon.
Leon: Do you make up these questions, Mr. Holden? Or do they write ’em down for you?
Holden: The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t. Not without your help. But you’re not helping.
Leon: [angry at the suggestion] What do you mean, I’m not helping?
I would not use the Onion as a source of humor because of “The Onion: Is The Government Spying On Paranoid Schizophrenics Enough?” http://www.wired.com/2007/10/the-onion-news/
Where the Onion makes fun of paranoid schizophrenia.
Such a powerful ( widely known) media site , should make fun of the rich and powerful, instead of making fun of the least powerful member of society.
While “God Diagnosed With Bipolar Disorder” http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-diagnosed-with-bipolar-disorder,348/
Is making fun of psychiatric diagnosis ( I hope)
They get to decide who deserves to be in prison, and who does not. The whole thing is a joke as only criminals (convicted) deserve to be in prison.
If you can not leave, it is a prison. Few understand this.
I knew of one person who I was close with who completed suicide.
I think of what could I do to save them if I could go back in time.
You wrote “Every plastic bag or Styrofoam cup enraged him(Joel)”. I also can feel anger at the pollution.
Yes I think it is the ease at which Americans can get a firearm contributes to completed suicides.
If my son or daughter was thinking suicidal, the only solution is to move to another country that does not have such easy access.
Psychiatry that now drugs people excessively is wasting human lives. If the religion of meds-drugs comes to an end, people would likely be more productive. As most work is done by machine today, the work would be artistic.
IMO the meds-drugs are for the fear of (the results of) anger. Fear (of the anger) from both the patient and the psychiatrist keep people on the meds-drugs.
Rosenhan said it when he told of his time in the hospital. You tell the psychiatrists what they want to hear.
” I am sick but getting better”
They want to hear ” Thank you for your help” and “Yes the medicine is working”
If you do not complain, what is their reason to medically treat you? http://www.bonkersinstitute.org/rosenhan.html
To JeffreyC, there is this thing called lying. You can lie and say you take the psych drugs/meds, but in reality do not. You would do this to get the decent housing. Only if you have a criminal record could they enforce the drugging, otherwise it is your freedom to choose the method of ingestion of the psychiatric drugs.
You are joking right?
Do you remember the lobotomy? Doctors removed/destroyed the brain as the solution to behavioral problems?
The scientific method? There is no physical illness in mental illness and they apply physical solutions… this makes sense?
The second worst solution to the problem of mental illness is passing electricity through the brain. How in the world can this electricity help the cognitive function of the patient?
Psychiatry is based on using force instead of using reason(cooperation) with their subject/patient.
Psychiatry exists for multiple reasons, the chief one is that regular people need a doctor to legitimize their use of drugs. Without a doctor what differentiates them from the back ally junkie?
“A person has a right to refuse treatment for cancer. A person does not have a right to refuse treatment for mental illness. If institutional psychiatrists are deprived of their power by the state to deprive mentally ill persons of their liberty, that is, if the state did not allow psychiatrists to enslave their patients in the name of liberating them, institutional psychiatry would go the way of slavery, as well it should. ” J. A. Schaler
Psychiatric Slavery by Thomas Szasz
Syracuse University Press, 1998 – Medical – 159 pages
In this short work, Dr. Szasz takes aim at conventional psychiatry, and at the attendent system of courts, hospitals, and psychiatrists who confine patients against their will. The focal point is a Supreme Court case involving a man forcibly committed to a Florida asylum for 14 years. In refuting the widely held notion that the Donaldson case represents an advancement in the rights of mental patients, Dr. Szasz has put the American legal establishments on trial.
Neurosis, delusions and hallucinations come from the brain. Drugging the brain does stop the problem. In the long run though, a person needs to use their brain. their cognitive abilities to look after themselve, so the neurosis and delusions have to be confronted with reason , love and science instead of being swept under the (d)rug. The rug can only hide so much dirt underneath.
Outcomes from from the bible “You will know them by their fruits. Every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.”
The psychiatric diagnosis is like a snowball going downhill, the longer you have the diagnosis, the bigger the physical and psychological effects.
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Getting rid of the worthless has been around since the beginning of time.
You have to have a purpose in your life, and perform work of some kind.
If you do not, you are like the Biblical ” The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree…”And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.'”
The importance of adult children to get away from their parents can not be underestimated. Once a mental patient , a child for life.
The parent does not want bad things to happen to their child, but with freedom and independence bad things can happen.
Regarding “drugs as medicines” . All medicines are drugs, but drugs are not medicines.
Once a doctor prescribes a drug, it magically becomes a medicine.
Regarding “Tell all that to the families of opiate addicts who suffer while watching the steady decline of their loved ones”
The only person that can stop an opiate user, is the user himself.
At the age of 18 or 21 ( depending where you live) we are supposed to be responsible adults, if not ( an adult yet) the legal drinking age should be changed.
Szasz was an advocate for the legalization of all drugs to (responsible) adults. If this took place it would take the burden of responsibility out of the psychiatrists hands.
The King and Queen can not abdicate their position of power, and do not want to give up their authority. The only solution is physical separation, different castles ( living in different houses/apartments) so that physical conflict between the Prince and his parents is reduced. In time hopefully the Prince will create an income from work to sustain his independence and find a Princess/wife/mate.
Myself , my severe shyness kept me from social interaction with members of the opposite sex the same age. Being lonely and independent is not sustainable, because there is no joy in the independence. My income came from a Government disability welfare , that is nothing to be proud of. Of what value was I ?
My mother would tell me how great I was , while my father would tell me how lazy I was. Who was I to believe? Bipolar thinking of how great I was, to how horrible I was, was constant.
Today, my father has finally shut up, and gives no more orders.
Other male animals when the reach sexual maturity.
” A herd is made up of one adult male with a harem of mares and their young. Once another colt comes of age, he must either challenge the dominant stallion or leave the herd.”http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/kids/animal-facts/wild_horse.asp
“Some of the younger wolves of the pack may leave to find vacant territory and a mate.”
” … take orders from their parents and older brothers and sisters, but their relationships with each other change frequently. During their play and other activities, they are constantly testing one mother (another) to find out who will eventually be “top wolf” in their age group http://www.wolfweb.com/facts-pack.html
Thank You [Somebody Else] for stating” So called “schizophrenics” don’t deserve to be forced onto these toxic drugs either.”
I am angry about it for myself and the millions of other people who have been conned.
I think is great that you as a normal person got to experience the psychiatric drugs. I as a schizophrenic have no choice about the consumption of psychiatric drugs. And schizophrenics deserve the medication right?
Hi Fiachra. You did post your belief on psychiatric treatment on Wikipedia. You believe in ECT as a treatment apparently, as you gave a favorable HTML link to Lou Reed. Lou Reed got ECT for treatment of his homosexuality . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_undergone_electroconvulsive_therapy
Links to “Can electroshock therapy make you a better singer?”
Rossa, Imagine you have been mauled by a dog in the past, then when out for a walk you are surprised by a dog. The dog is harmless, but it reminds you of your previous indecent. A warning before you see the dog is nice to have.
@ Mikeymike Regarding “What happens if the person kills themselves in between? ”
There is two steps in suicide, not one. The person feels something unbearable first, then second, decides on a action. A person can not feel suicide, they can think of the action of suicide to solve the problem they have.
I maintain the broken bone analogy works. If you suddenly stop drugs, it is the equivalent of removing the cast ( on a broken bone) and expecting to walk with shrunken muscles.
For myself, I think a quick as possible quitting is the best method. The longer the cast is on, the longer the time to heal.
“The mind should control the body. When you move your fingers, when you move your toes, that’s done by the mind. Remember this: your body is your slave; it works for you. If you had people working for you, employees, and it was very important what condition they were in, boy, you’d make sure you fed them right, you exercised them, gave them everything they needed so they could do things for you, right?” said Jack LaLanne.
Yes AA , it can take longer to withdraw.
There are two factors like in smoking, physical addiction and psychological addiction/conditioning.
If you are trying to quit smoking and you switch brands of cigarettes (switching drugs), you still have a physical addiction.
If your brain is permanently damaged from the psychiatric drugs ( I think mine is), there is no solution, but acceptance. Searching for another drug ( the external fix) is unlikely to heal the damage. Healing comes from your bodies ability to repair itself, and from your soul/mind.
Prove there is a psychotic molecule first in the blood and brain of the “patient”, before you apply the antipsychotic countermeasure.
There is no psychotic molecule. The drugs are a chemical lobotomy. If a person is young and healthy enough, the brain can recover from the poison.
If a person quits smoking or cigarettes, the physical symptoms take a month to end, or in other words, it takes a month for the brain to fix itself. Like if you break your leg it takes some time for the bone to heal.
Then after the bone heals, the muscles have shrunk for not being used, so you could call the leg “diseased”, but all it is, is the muscles need to be exercised again. This healing takes time.
I.M.O. taking more drugs to fix withdrawal from other drugs is a mistake.
Look at the other living creatures on the planet. What do they do? They eat, poop, fight and reproduce. Humans have to eat (healthy), fight something/someone, and have sex, just like all the other animals on the planet.
If not personal shame, then the shame of the family needs the brain chemical imbalance theory to explain their loved ones actions. And who ever is playing the bills, ( the family in general) they like the magical medication explanation. Its the damn chemicals fault!
I wrote “guilt” of not being perfect. There is also the PRIDE of people, to admit their emotions affected their rational logical mind, is too much for some, they would rather blame their human mistakes on chemical imbalances. http://mindhacks.com/2009/03/14/is-psychiatry-a-religion/
You need to identify the difference between a drug and a medicine.
A medicine has a start and stop date.
A drug is used when their is no physical damage or illness, used continually.
Psychiatry refuses to admit they are making people worse.
I do not think Frances and Whittaker have any common ground to start a discussion.
IMO The solution starts with money, where does it come from, and where does it go.
The Government that pays for the drugs and the psychiatric help should demand the money back and stop paying for services that do not work, but the government representatives that approve the expenditures is full of doctors who believe in a chemical lobotomy.
Like a bunch of drug dealers being asked to stop selling/pushing drugs onto their clients.
“The people want the drugs, or the people need the drugs” the drug dealers would say.
“psychiatric survivors, ex-inmates of psychiatric prisons, to take the initiative in having a say, and in demanding human rights and social justice.”
How many c/s/x have a degree, or have written a book, of have experience and skill/confidence enough to speak publicly? Where does their (c/s/x) money (income) come from? As in, Who is paying them? What work is being performed?
In voluntary psychiatry the consumer pays. Buyer beware.
In involuntary psychiatry the Government pays the bill. The Government should want to pay the lowest cost, or get the results they want from the money they spend.
Transference is a phenomenon characterized by unconscious redirection of feelings from one person to another.
This is the source for the statement “I know that many of the professionals who attend ISEPP feel so stellar and superior to their clients that it really isn’t funny. ”
Only science might stop E.C.T. if you/we can document the “bad” outcomes.
“… the cost-benefit analysis for ECT is so poor that its use cannot be scientifically justified.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21322506
Regarding The Murphy’s bill, called the Helping Families in Mental Health Crisis Act. The family feels fear from the “crazy” person. If more power is given to drug people, the more sick there will be, as once a person is drugged they are unlikely to have a mind capable of taking care of themselves. People see the drugging as compassion , and compassion must be given to the sick.
Cruel Compassion: Psychiatric Control of Society’s Unwanted http://books.google.ca/books/about/Cruel_Compassion.html?id=2pduB22E43oC
Regarding Ted’s “moral outrage”.
When a person is feeling and expressing outrage (anger) they are judged “psychotic” and potentially dangerous, then drugged/medicated for their inappropriate response to receiving “help”.
From the video, the third thing, “Everything changes”
This is a lie.
A psychiatric diagnosis , a prejudice , never goes away.
Once a criminal, always a criminal.
“Once a schizophrenic, always a schizophrenic”
The schizophrenia diagnosis gave me the reason to try to kill myself twenty years ago.
Drugs, drugs and more drugs, instead of confrontation. Bury all the upsetting thoughts and feelings with legal drugs.
If you got the money (unlimited from Government) and got the drugs (unlimited from Government) drugs for life might work for appearances.
BUT IT IS A SLOW SUICIDE, instead of a fast one.
Average life expectancy of the seriously mentally ill is 25 years less than the average.
The Wikipedia’s definition of anti-psychiatry is well written.
Anti-psychiatry has been active for almost two centuries, and is the view that many psychiatric treatments are ultimately more damaging than helpful to patients. Psychiatry is seen by proponents of anti-psychiatry as a coercive instrument of oppression. According to anti-psychiatry, psychiatry involves an unequal power relationship between doctor and patient, and a highly subjective diagnostic process, leaving too much room for opinions and interpretations.
On my home computer I did leave a comment on Huffington post. If I go back it shows up.
BUT today I used the public libraries computer and discovered my comment is not displaying.
If you have no imagination, you would not be in the schizophrenia DNA group. Just like a lobotomy/brain damage cures mental illness. The human is to stupid to be mentally ill if they don’t have a brain.
Wikipedia is not a democracy. Doctors who have the biological model of mental illness in their mind , are correcting any unconventional Wikipedia addition. The doctors do not perceive their own fear of psychosis is keeping their patients on drugs for the patients lifetime. The patient is not supposed to feel pain, anger or discomfort, so once given the drugs, they must be kept on them. Those with the gold make the rules.
“Is there any evidence demonstrating ” http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb00/schizophrenia.aspx
Harding’s study in The American Journal of Psychiatry (Vol. 144, No. 6, p. 718-735) showed that 62 percent to 68 percent of those former back ward patients showed no signs at all of schizophrenia. “They just didn’t have them anymore.”
Simple enough to test if the Government really wants to test.
Put person in a fMRI and scan their brain and have lie detector (respiratory rate , heartbeat and skin conductivity) running .When shown a video of war or whatever causes PTSD in that particular person, the monitoring devices should get a measurement to confirm or deny PTSD.
You wrote “Now it’s up to those modern shamans who escape psychiatry’s clutches to bring the system down.”
Szasz basically said follow the money, as in “who benefits?”
Coercive psychiatry gets its money from the Government, the Government has unlimited funds.
” government envisaged 350-450 CTOs would be issued … 4,764 people were subject to such orders.”
The psychiatrist doesn’t pay the taxpayer does, then in public the taxpayer is pissed off at the non-working S.M.I. , so we have conflicts between the working average Joe and the psychiatric-drug-brain addled victim.
Few blame the psychiatrist for predicting the future, the need of “medication” to prevent a possible “bad” future that has not happened yet.
To my knowledge Neuroleptics were accidentally found.
They had bizarre treatments for M.I. in the past.
One was immersion in cold water. They did not want the victim to shiver. The alienist/psychiatrist were told of this new poison that stopped shivering. The patients did not shiver when given the poison.
Then they decided the patient did not need the cold water treatment, the patients symptoms (bad behaviour) have gone away ( the patients brain was no longer functioning).
gardenlisa October 18, 2014 at 9:30 pm said:
“his room needs a deep cleaning”
IMO if it is his room, he has to clean it.
I assume he has the capability to clean it. Or can hire someone to clean it.
A “seriously mentally ill” friend of mine pays for a cleaner to clean his apartment.
You have to decide if he is a child or an adult and let him make mistakes and/or live with his decisions.
@boans October 19, 2014 at 3:54 am
Use common sense.
Is the doctor a licensed doctor? Yes
Who does the doctor work for?
What is the doctors job?
Are you really being assaulted?
No, so “bury my thumb up to my wrist in his eye socket. ” is an unreasonable amount of force response to his/her effort to examine your physical health.
Describing a behavior as a disease is wrong. Behaviors can be learned and changed. Many are eager to sell a drug, and there are few profiting from not selling a drug solution.
“have you been on them for any length of time and then just stopped taking them?”
Yes, it is a literal hell, but my preferred method.
At the age of 19 I was diagnosed with serious mental illness and drugged in hospital for several months.
I had my own apartment for 17 years until it was repossessed by the new building owner for his own son. I am now 46.
You wrote “I am trying to get my son off this toxic rubbish”
IMO it is up to your son, he has to decide to take, or not to take the drugs. How fast to stop, if he decides to stop.
@gardenlisa IMO coldturkey does not inflict permanent harm.
When off the psychiatric drugs emotional control is much more difficult, as the emotions have been suppressed by the drugs. I write my feeling out on paper to help purge myself of them.
If your son can not understand the necessity of food and cleanliness, that is a serious cognitive problem.
His brother can not reason with him if he is complaining to you about the cleanliness?
Violence will occur when/if your son confronts the other son.
He has to understand the necessity of food and cleanliness.
Does he have money to buy food/make a budget? A way to get to the store? A list of food he wants to eat? Does he know how to clean? Does he have the cleaning tools?
He is changing from child to adult, and if he himself can not perceive the necessity of food and cleanliness as an adult he deserves to lose his freedom.
When I was his age I was depressed. Is depression (not caring) the reason he doesn’t look after himself?
The Problem, Drugs: If the person forcibly hospitalized, once informed of their rights, can argue-ask for their freedom and is physically relatively healthy, they should get their freedom. If the patient is drugged , they can not cognitively think to ask – or argue for their freedom. The default is drug everyone stupid so they can’t complain about being in prison. The drug companies make billions. The patients can’t prove their innocence. No one in power is made upset.
Exercise is impossible when a person is in hospital-jail. I had to pretend to smoke to get to go outside for smoking breaks. Criminal prisoners have better rights than mental patients.
Forced hospitalization and forced drugging are two different things.
If you are reasonable you would see the need for forced hospitalization.
There has to be physical proof the person is too irrational before they lose their freedom from an legal commitment order.
To do nothing, in the example of when someone is starving themselves (say half normal body weight) is wrong. A doctor would have to force feed the patient until it can be verified the patients brain has proper nutrition/can think rationally. When severely malnourished the brain can not/does not function.
A slow suicide (example of smoking>to>lung cancer) is OK/rational, a quick suicide is wrong/bad/irrational.
I am against forced drugging and ECT. I think everyone forced into a hospital has to get a lawyer to explain to the prisoner why they are there confined in the hospital. If prisoners are not told specifically what the (their) problem is, the patient/prisoner can not possibly change or fix the problem.
The prisoner has to be given a chance to escape the prison, change themselves and abide by any rules that have been broken.
The goal of hospitalization: The goal is that society wants a functional person out of prison. Give the patient the option of joining the “it’s a prison” side or “it’s a hospital” side.
Call me a fool , not a liar : Prison type of person admits their errors (breaking the rules), they chose the action/behaviour those with the Gold (money) don’t like.
Call me a liar , not a fool: Hospital type of person denies responsibility for their actions that got them committed and wants medicine for their disease.
“It is better one hundred innocent Persons should be found guilty and suffer (psychiatric drugs and psychiatric prison), than that one guilty Person should escape.” says Psychiatry.
I am sure you meant you wanted comments from Sandra Steingard, M.D. but I will comment.
You wrote “psychiatry… assumes that emotional suffering is a medical problem”.
I would say psychiatrists are forced into that position, when they get a patient, they have to treat them.
IMO
There are two different psychiatric patients, the voluntary and the coerced. Shrinks can not perceive the difference between the two.
Antipsychotics/neuroleptic are to make the patient too stupid to be “mentally ill” , as in, if you do not have a brain/mind you can not be psychotic. Similar to the idea of a lobotomy.
The latest spin of psychiatry is making the mentally ill person smarter, too smart to think psychotic. “A neurobiological approach to the cognitive deficits of psychiatric disorders” Dec 2013 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3898680/
I don’t think this will work, because they say you can’t fix stupid. The cognitive deficits are from previous psychiatric treatment.
“Mental illness” occurs when a persons feelings are stronger than their intellectual capacity to function.
This emotional event is usually a temporary situation, but a psychiatrist and their drugs-medicine and jail-hospital make it a permanent lifelong illness.
Blind experiment
A blind or blinded experiment is an experiment in which information about the test that might lead to bias in the results is concealed from the tester, the subject, or both until after the test.
The hospital volunteered to participate, to my knowledge.
How else (a lie/fraud) do you test a new medicine Frank?
I would have to find the original person who put “psychiatry” in and ask them to put it back, but it is a lot of work to find the start of that section.
There is a method to find your original writing, it is still there on Wikipedia but hidden.
If you look at the “history” page of an article, you will find a list of the edits with their dates.
There is a compare function. If you compare two edits (click on a black period between open-close brackets) a new page shows the differences between the two days.
In this page you can find your original writings, no need to reconstruct.
We are not a “flash in the pan”, we have endurance. As Wikipedia is democratic, if we have a majority of editors and sourced information, changes(edits) will stay in place.
The legal drug dealers will have to face the facts one day, that they made people worse instead of better, with the continual use of drugs on their patients(slaves).
“A slave is he who cannot speak his thoughts.” Euripides (484-406 B.C.)
Today the slave is not allowed his/her thoughts.
We still have our thoughts and the freedom to write, we should continue to express reasoned arguments against the drugs.
You have to make a Wikipedia user page if you are to be taken seriously on Wikipedia. I am infroming you your name is in the color red, if you have not noticed.
Once your page has been made it will turn blue.
I think you sell an excessive fear of withdrawing and do not approve.
A doctor gives “hope” to his/her patient not “fear”.
A reason many take the psych drugs, is out of a hope of a better life. Looking for external cures can make people switch to another drug in hope of that one is the right one. It’s just drugs.
“The best way to predict your future is to create it” Abraham Lincoln.
p.s. I think you have a much better life than my own ( I clean up garbage in city parks) , if that is any conciliation to your perception of humiliation.
At the wikipedia article on psychosis there has been many edits. Check on your edits. Get a regular account. If you find a problem (1) you are supposed to write about it on the “talk” page of the article (you have to create this) , then (2) you can change it back after you have explained yourself.
“feeling suicidal or homicidal” is written in the article.
This is a LIE .
Like saying “I feel like making a sandwich” when really the person feels hungry and the solution is to make a sandwich, they don’t have to make a sandwich.
Or “I feel like punching that guy!” when really the person feels angry and has a choice to fight or flee.
You can THINK suicidal and homicidal, but you can not FEEL those choices.
Another example of Doctors and the Church (1950) is the Duplessis Orphans.
“The Duplessis Orphans (French: les Orphelins de Duplessis) were the victims of a scheme in which approximately 20,000 orphaned children were falsely certified as mentally ill by the government of the province of Quebec, Canada, and confined to psychiatric institutions.”
If you are “schizophrenic” you must believe you are ill.
This article is a joke to the involuntary patient.
An excerpt from successful schizophrenia
{The resident said “Tony, your behavior is sick. We can treat you here as an out-patient, but you must understand you are mentally ill before we can make any progress.”
Tony shouted “No, I’m not. You doctors are crazy if you think I’m mentally ill!” }
Regarding [Well, I could quibble with the statement in the first paragraph: “the problem with mental illness is not that people have it but it’s that they BELIEVE they do.”]
Every human being makes mistakes. The trick is when the person is fooled by psychiatry into believing the mistake they made was “mental illness” a permanent lifelong disease.
Tracey Cannon , you must not forget THE FAMILY of the mentally ill person can also believe in the diagnosis/ be tricked into believing .
When I was drugged, I am sure I looked crazy to my visiting family. Unable to speak. This ( also convincing the family) completes the con job.
I guess you don’t understand the power structure? I will explain it to you as I understand it.
Only Doctors can question other Doctors. Doctors lie and get away with it because no other doctor challenges them.
A prime example of lies is electroconvulsive therapy E.C.T.
Some Doctor claims ECT is
1) safe
2) effective
3) low intensity
4) no pain
E.C.T. is not safe in my opinion. Who judges the treatment safe? A Lobotomy (the inventor Dr Moniz was given a Nobel Prize in 1949) was also judged safe because the death rate was relatively low. Having a living breathing patient but with no mind is considered safe by people who are litteral about the definition of death.
E.C.T. is not effective in treating depression and schizophrenia. How does a physical proceedure work on a non-physical illness (mental illness)? I suggest the idea of E.C.T. is to make someone forget. Trying to force the person to forget the reasons why they feel depressed does not work. Force does not work 1)because the destruction of memory in the mind from the electricity is random. The person could lose good memories as well as the bad ones and 2) the only way to fix a problem is to know what the problem is. Even if the memory erasure is successful the persons (unchanged) environment and situation will make them depressed once again.
E.C.T. is not low intesity. The human body works with tiny amounts of electricity that can be measured in an EEG, an electroencephalogram. Dr Hans Berger recorded the first human EEG in 1924. The brains electricity has to be amplified 1,000 to 100,000 times to get a measurement.
E.C.T. does produce pain, that is why the patient is unconscious. Ask yourself “Why do we feel pain?”. We feel pain because some damage is occuring in our body and our body is trying to warn us to the problem. To be unconscious while the pain is occuring is cheating . Only real life and death physical desease such as an infected apendix warrent the need for surgery, which means anesthesia. Electricity passing through the brain is an invisible knife.
But I am not a Doctor, so my opinion means nothing.
A hundred thousand people protesting ECT will not change the “science” of the claimed benefits of E.C.T.
You are a general without an army. If your army was to exist, they would have to be fed and housed by someone. This cost money.
Vegwellian wrote “must be prevented from hurting anyone”.
The disease they have is “anger” according to you.
Medication is for genuine disease, legal drugs are to change someone from being angry to being calm.
If you look at any violent crime the source is anger.
Only a psychiatrist can judge when a person anger has made them too irrational to keep their freedom.
Then do you drug them for the rest of their life for their anger?
Regarding my monopoly comment.
“Without the use or threat of force, fascism could not exist. Machiavelli, Mussolini, Hitler knew this. All dictators, would-be dictators, and bullies know this basic fact. And this is the case with psychiatry. Without the use and threat of force, institutional psychiatry would die. Lots of psychiatrists would be out of a job. I wish that would happen! Psychiatry gets its authority and power to force, imprison, involuntarily commit, and treat individuals against their will from the state.” http://www.antipsychiatry.org/weitz2.htm
“I think families of ‘diagnosed’ people would be interested”
I disagree.
I think families want their loved one to obey orders and fit in.
The “long term solutions outside of psychiatry” do not exist because the world runs on money, people (adults) have to earn money from the work they perform.
“More activism” does not produce any money for the activist.
Who wants to listen?
For the sake of argument, I’ll say average Joe/Jill listens to the crazy people, what then?
What does Joe/Jill do?
What power does Joe/Jill have?
Then the psychiatrist doesn’t understand why the patient can’t get out of bed, or do any work.
Not getting out of bed, and/or not doing any work will make someone depressed. More drugs for the depression…
“If not meds(drugs) then what?”
How about telling the person specifically what the problem is.
If the ” patient” does not know what the problem is, they can not possible change it.
The Long-Term Use of a psychiatric diagnosis is the problem. Descriptive words written on a piece of paper. A broken leg does not stay broken forever. A broken (analog) watch is correct twice a day, once in the AM and once in the PM. A prejudice that is not explained to the subject.
Psychiatrist ” I think you need help”.
Patient ” I think this is a jail, a jail before I committed any crime.”
DRUGS “to be disabled by them” that is just the physical effects. The diagnosis that gets someone to be prescribed the drugs is more powerful in my opinion, as the psychiatric diagnosis poisons the relationship between the person-patient and their family and friends. Who are you without your family and friends?
“Stop Calling These Drugs Antidepressants”
and then I hope we can stop calling them anti-psychotics.
Your (bad) emotions like sadness(depression) and anger(psychosis) are a disease.
Ted, I am sure you have heard of the suicide-death of the comedian Robin Williams.
On TV after his death, I saw doctors speaking of a brain chemical imbalance.
You know there is no brain chemical imbalance until the “patient” takes the legal psychiatry drugs. The doctors do not, and will not admit THEY created the imbalance.
Donna wrote “force these poisons on them in the guise of medicine:”
You forget “Fear” as in Don Weitz three “F”‘s fear force fraud.
My friend willingly takes the drugs, as he is afraid of becoming over-emotional(mentally ill) once again.
He also depends on the diagnosis of mental illness (pride) to explain the mistakes he has made, he likes to think of himself as smart, he blames his mistakes on unbalanced brain chemicals.
I expect if someone scanned his brain, it would show brain shrinkage (from the voluntary consumption).
“Your goal may be the abolition of psychiatry and mine is to reform and critique.”
The abolition of a religion is impossible.
People want and need to believe in a magic medicine (NOT A DRUG) that will cure them or their upset loved one.
“In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but
one into sickness.” Szasz
E. Silly doesn’t agree with “Children deserve to be coerced”
Do children do want to go to school to learn? or eat all their vegetables? Learn that they are no longer the center of the universe?
Best Con going.
Heads I win, tails you lose.
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With no science to measure good thoughts to bad thoughts from being
chemically altered it is a win-win position for psychiatry.
If the patient does well after given-forced medicines, psychiatry helped.
If the patient does poorly after given-forced medication, psychiatry
says we told you he/she was ill. We are trying to help.
That the medication might have made people worse is not, and can not be considered.
If you don’t use an arm or leg for a long time , say it is in a cast, the muscles in it shrink from not being used.
When you take the cast off, you could say the leg/arm is broken forever, but with the discipline of daily exercise, the muscle in the arm/leg can grow back to near normal.
But it takes work.
What ever you chose to think of will stay in your mind. If you believe you are ill, you will look for signs you ARE ill. If you believe you are improving, you will look for signs of improvement.
The people in the psychiatric system that I know believe 100% that they are ill and need medication.
This belief was learned from past experiences of withdrawing from the psychiatric meds-drugs, with bad outcomes . They took the withdrawal reaction as proof the psychiatric “doctor” was right, they are defective, when it is really is
In the late 1970s, Canadian investigators identified the biological changes caused by antipsychotics that lead to the high relapse rates. Because the drugs dampen dopamine activity, the brain tries to compensate by becoming “supersensitive” to dopamine. In particular, the drugs trigger an increase in the density of dopamine receptors. This perturbation in dopamine function, over the long term, makes the patients more biologically prone to psychosis and to worse relapses upon drug withdrawal. The researchers concluded: “Neuroleptics can produce a dopamine supersensitivity that leads to both dyskinetic and psychotic symptoms. An implication is that the tendency toward psychotic relapse in a patient who has developed such a supersensitivity is determined by more than just the normal course of the illness.”
a) Dopaminergic Supersensitivity After Neuroleptics. Muller, P. Psychopharmacology 60 (1978):1-11.
b) Neuroleptic-Induced Supersensitivity Psychosis. Chouinard, G. American Journal of Psychiatry, 135 (1978):1409-1410.
c) Neuroleptic-Induced Supersensitivity Psychosis. Chouinard, G. American Journal of Psychiatry, 137 (1980):16-20.
As time passes , more of their brain is lost from the poisons they willingly take. Less intelligence, less ability to reason.
The only hope is the money being spent by the government has to be accounted for . The tax payer that pays for this fraud (drugs for life) will get fed up one day. I hope.
The average person believes the psychiatric medication, is medication, so people agree with helping the “ill”.
Until the general population has first hand experience with the medication (seeing is believing), and knows it is not medication, the laws for forced treatment will be passed.
” the people who were put in the camps then were Communists”
“Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables.”
” If we had said back then, it is not right when Hermann Göring simply puts 100,000 Communists in the concentration camps, in order to let them die” http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/niem.htm#discsources
Hard to leave psychiatry? Try impossible to leave, because the law sees psychiatry as legitimate science.
Only a religion can excuse themselves of a crime, a cult could not have got away with mass murder.
Watson: Do you think they felt they were murdering people?
Dr Benno Muller Hill: There it’s most interesting that two other chiefs here, medical doctors and psychiatrists who were running this place here, kind of got away with it in 1962 by saying that they couldn’t see anything wrong with killing those incurably insane, and they had learned this in the medical courses at the universities and so they couldn’t see anything wrong, so in fact they got free. And so this went then up from court to court, and in 1972 the German Supreme Court decided that indeed, since they didn’t see anything wrong there was nothing wrong with it, and they could be free.
Thank you David Healy for putting a link to your lecture. I hope link stays online. I like the lecture because it tells of the history, of the first use of the poisons psychiatry calls medicines.
I wrote go to see the “eye doctor” , not the psychiatrist. The psychiatrist is there to make you follow the rules, follow orders, that is all. A pseudo parent for the adult who is behaving as a child.
“how this could be applied to Scientology”
As I understand it, to follow Scientology is a voluntary action.
The same should be true for the religion of Psychiatry. Their followers have to be voluntary.
“No behaviour or misbehaviour is a disease, that is not what diseases are!” Szasz
That being said, you can’t kill a religion, but you can limit its power.
The psychiatrist declares that their patient need medication, and the Government has to pay for this medication.
Imagine a slave owner demanding the Government pay for the chains that bind the slave. The slave owner should pay for the drugs out of his own pocket.
“a lifetime of harmful and disabling drugs”, with no proof the “patient” doesn’t have disease , the patient can not escape.
( a double negative, but writing “with proof a “patient” is healthy, the patient can escape psychiatry” doesn’t work) ,
The idea of mental illness (everyone believes in) is a cash cow for both the (fake) doctor and drug supplier. Making something out of nothing. Just don’t you be that “nothing” to start off with.
On the news here (Montreal) a criminal is going to receive “medication” for his illness, like he did not chose his behaviour/actions, and magical medication exist, and can make him think “good” thoughts instead of “bad” thoughts.
“why anyone would want to induce sleep deprivation to test more drugs!” to sell more drugs to people and to the Government who is forced to buy the drugs for the psychiatric patients.
Lanza and all the other shooters were angry and chose to do evil. The wrong method of expressing the anger they felt. Lanza was taught to shoot, so guess what he did?
Anyone might be possessed by the feeling of anger. Normal rational people (who enjoy the present, and want a future) would calm themselves somehow.
And as to choice, if Lanza was on drugs/withdrawing from drugs, how much choice does a crack-head have , when he/she needs the crack-cocaine?
I think Dr. Moncrieff is one of the few sane psychiatrists . The problem with current psychiatry is the medication/drugs are used continually when the meds/drugs have to be stopped.
I disagree with “Once people get better (through ‘psychology’) they remain well because the problems get sorted out. ”
My father and mother are the root of my “mental illness”, I am sure other people with “mental illness” have parents that literally make them crazy.
The King and Queen do not want to lose their power, and successfully use psychiatry to keep their children as children.
Regarding people seeking drugs/meds for a cure/treatment.
“For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.” .” wrote Thomas More.
Regarding “I have even heard numerous reports from clients that they were pressured by psychiatrists into taking pills.”
The trick with the drugs, is that if a patient is genuinely ill, they must be taking medicine for the illness. If the patient is NOT taking any medicine, they can’t be that sick , can they?
With no physical evidence of disease, the patient can not receive disability (welfare) payments.
“BTW would you organize prison guards? The police? ” This is a crucial point. Psychiatry plays a critical role in society like the police and prison guards. Psychiatry gets its power from the government. The only thing that can fight a doctor is another doctor, usually doctors use science but the science has been corrupted.
In the game of chess it would be a Bishop fighting another Bishop.
Mental illness exists and society needs psychiatrists to control or help the (figuratively) ill person.
Mental illness is when someones emotions are too large. Larger than the power of someones rational mind to order/control oneself. Mental illness is the inability to choose.
Two examples:
If one is feeling too much despair, one does not have the ability to choose what to do to escape. Every possible response to the present conditions seems meaningless. Hopeless from lack of joy-enjoyment.
If one is feeling too much confidence, one does not have the ability to perceive being wrong or incorrect about the situation one is in. Every possible response is the correct one.
How do we NOT support the Delusional , you mean?
A prison that is not a prison because “we” call it a hospital.
A poison/drug that is not a poison/drug because “we” call it medicine.
A lobotomy that is not a lobotomy because “we” call it treatment.
A religion that is not a religion because “we” call it science.
Saying “I want to die” will get you locked up (hospitalized) if you say it to someone in authority. I guess you have not been locked up in order to be “helped”?
If you can’t be around people without “freaking out”, don’t put yourself in that situation.
If you exercise strenuously during the day, you will (have to) sleep at night. The sleep will not be great, but it will be sleep.
Japan covers up their mental illness. Suicide in Japan is at 26 deaths per hundred thousand (2009) versus 7 deaths per hundred thousand in Netherlands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan.
The prevalence chart is inaccurate.
From the article “as doctors tried in vain to find a combination of drugs that worked.” The doctors feel compelled to give drugs, when they should do nothing . If a person is acting insane it is reasonable to control/limit their actions in a hospital-jail, but to apply drugs for a chemical balance that does not exist is wrong. The drugs make a confused person even more confused (in the long run) as Robert Whitaker has written and real psychiatrists know. http://robertwhitaker.org/robertwhitaker.org/Antipsychotic%20drugs%20and%20chronic%20illness.html
Who has the Gold (yellow metal) ? Is all what its about. You got no Gold and no ability to get/earn gold? then you are a slave for life. Even if you have the ability to get/earn Gold, you have to have a hope for the future. With no hope…
You got to follow orders of those with the yellow metal (Gold). Short term the drugs work to maintain order ( for the master), in the long term the drugs damage the brain , intelligence.
Who asked for the drugs in the first place? Was there consumer demand, or was it pushed by the drug companies? You can’t sell people what they don’t want.
Regarding 1 in 4. Yes it is true. If you don’t have love , you free depressed. Humans used to use the drug alcohol, today doctors prescribe this new solution of antidepressant/antipsychotic to combat the urge of Mother Nature.
From the video , 40 000 statistically probable manic persons from 4%. Horrific events will induce anger, fear and sadness in the public, so more drugs will be issued. The worship of the tiny molecule God came from the discovery of penicillin and the creation of the birth control pill. April 1967 http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19670407,00.html
The psychiatric drugs are to control people, not to medically help them.
It is obvious from the start. There is no psychotic molecule, virus or bacteria.
The drugs help in that they help the patient obey orders. That is all.
[ If a patient is poor he is committed to a public hospital as a “psychotic.” If he can afford a sanitarium, the diagnosis is “neurasthenia.” If he is wealthy enough to be in his own home under the constant watch of nurses and physicians, he is simply “an indisposed eccentric.”] Pierre Janet (1859-1947)
A sane individual does not get or feel angry at receiving medical treatment, so they (you) must be psychotic. With the diagnosis of psychosis you (anyone angry) will be helped to be calm and rational. Guess what kind of help?
Number 14 The person who has fucked the patient up the most isn’t necessarily the most obvious person.
When the family believes in the diagnosis of “mental illness” , the family gets a scapegoat/lightning-rod to blame all the troubles on. And they don’t want to lose the scapegoat. He/she is the crazy one, not me, the doctor said so.
Okay , you go to the thief that robbed you to get un-stolen, you go to the thug to get un-beaten, you go to the drug dealer to get un-drugged. RIGHTtttt.
Robert Whitaker I think you have a typo of two ” f )” categories.
If psychiatrists are in fact doctors, the news ( of long term outcomes) should be widely distributed.
Hand washing before childbirth took years to be accepted, and ulcer-causing helicobacter pylori took twenty years to be accepted.
Psychiatry is Precrime, just like in the movie “Minority Report”
From the World Psychiatric Journal linked article it says “238 (Community Treatment Orders) to prevent one arrest.”
An example of creating the future from the movie “The Matrix”
Oracle : I’d ask you to sit down…but you’re not going to anyway. And don’t worry about the vase.
Neo : What vase? *crash*, Neo knocks the vase over while looking.
Oracle : That vase.
Neo : I’m sorry.
Oracle : I _said_ don’t worry about it. I’ll get one of my kids to fix it.
[A PSYCHIATRIC report on Anders Behring Breivik found that the confessed gunman is insane…
“In such instances that the person suffers from such a serious disorder that it would not be warranted to sentence him to prison … he can be ordered to stay in mental health care institutions,” prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh was quoted as saying]
Remember Dr. Conrad Murray? He did not understand the crime he was charged with, but the court case still took place.
“I don’t feel guilty because I did not do anything wrong,” Dr. Conrad Murray.
“Not only isn’t there any remorse, there’s umbrage and outrage on the part of Dr. Murray against the decedent, without any, any indication of the slightest involvement in this case.” Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor
The books, as in writing on paper , as in pen … the pen is mightier than the sword. Only accredited doctors (who write) can stop this life long drugging.
“Many people are wrongly diagnosed when they start manifesting adverse reactions or acute responses to withdrawal from drugs. ”
Withdrawal from drugs will cause pain ( if it is possible to reduce/abstain). Doctors are not supposed to induce pain in their patient, but the only way for the patient to get “better” is to reduce the amount of (unnecessary) drugs the patient is consuming.
If he had a short temper from the stomach problems/pain, (as any human or animal would) the anger would likely be viewed as “psychotic” and MORE psychiatric “medicine” given to him to help stop the psychosis.
He was looking for physical causes to mental illness in the blood and found the four main blood types (no mental illness).
Maybe by 2021, the anniversary of Janksy’s death, psychiatrists will find their ethics ( do no harm) and drugs will stop being prescribed to children.
If there is a police shooting, a fellow officer does not investigate the incident, an outside impartial “Internal Investigations Division” person is supposed to look at the evidence.
That this coroner will not note heart disease and fecal compaction as important , keeps the pharmaceutical companies ( lifetime of meds for mental illness) in business. One tree here, one tree here and science never sees the forest going down.
Not an expert. As to “Why?” The article itself says “he was taking drugs”. If you or anyone has their freedom to make choices , they have the freedom to use (mind altering) drugs and to potentially kill someone.
As he (the killer) is now in custody-jail , he has to say he was not himself when the crime occurred. With all the evidence he can’t say someone else did it. How else does he live with himself? Psychiatrists who give him tranquilizers say the “medicine” is working and get credit for helping a” sick ” man.
He had/has too much anger, but anger is not a disease. Without anger you and I would be a pushover to whoever wanted our money or possessions, so we must have some anger to live in this world.
The correct amount of anger can not be regulated (successfully) by external forces like “medicine”(tranquilizers). Successfully dealing with anger comes from the inside of a person.
The first use of cocaine was native people using the leaves to continue on in a difficult hunt for food. Like you can not drink pure alcohol, you can not safely consume concentrated cocaine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine#Coca_leaf
My opening sentence “If you want drugs” was in reference to psychiatric drugs.
A real world example for you. “At night-time, I was forced to take Risperidone, a mind-altering medication administered to treat schizophrenia. The following day I felt lethargic because of the medication. It looked as if most of the patients in the ward were up to their eyeballs on it, as they moped around, gazing woodenly, the majority seeming unable to engage in articulate coherent conversation. As it seemed there was no one to have a conversation with, I had a look around for things to do – there was no garden, only a small grimy area outside for the smokers that was fenced off from the hospital grounds with prison bars. ”
The psychiatric drugs are used to control people who don’t fit in or submit to authority. Only schizophrenics that don’t scare people might get this alternative.
The drugs are not for the schizophrenic patient, they are for those people around the schizophrenic who need to feel safe from the one who “hears voices”.
We sane people don’t hear voices (voice of consciousness) only crazy people do.
The doctor lacks he courage to confront the patient about the problem. the patient doesn’t know (is not told) what the problem is. The doctor expects magical insight to occur to the patient, when lack of knowledge is part of the reason the “bad” behaviour is occurring. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger effect
Throw in some mind altering drugs and you have a mental patient for life, because the patient can not judge and learn from cause and effect when their brain (feeling-thinking) is forcefully manipulated with psychiatric drugs.
Regarding “a naked child chained to a tree”, before they psychiatric-ally drug him instead of the chains ( pills = a kinder owner?) they might want to do physical tests like blood tests and a brain scan to see if he is physically ill, then test his sight , hearing and speech to see if communication is possible. Before assuming he is crazy because everyone says he is crazy.
Like I wrote” Who is the king of the castle”, if you don’t obey the king/queen you get into trouble.
To be a “king” you must have your own money, as in an income, incoming money.
If you have no income, you can not be a king, or a ruler in your own life.
As a psychiatric patient you no longer have self ownership, a psychiatrist owns you.
They wonder why the “mentally ill” drink and smoke themselves to death.
Regarding the Senator vs son story. I ask “Who is/was the king of the castle?” The son should have left “home”, he did not need psychiatric drugs or psychiatric (pre-crime) imprisonment.
As I understand it, the proposal is to keep suspected “mentally ill” persons for a longer time period in the hospital-that-is-not-a-jail.
Could you get angry? You are not allowed to get angry for receiving help, helping medical intervention.
This extended hold time will guarantee an angry outburst ( at losing ones freedom), the anger expressed at the injustice will either put the person in jail, or labeled “psychotic” and forcefully medicated/drugged.
The system is perfect.
The (general) public have to work at crappy jobs to keep a roof over their head, they do not have the time or energy to revolt.
Only genuine doctors can fix psychiatry with genuine science.
Feb 2012 National Geographic [“We can’t tell a schizophrenic brain from an autistic brain from a normal brain,” says Christof Koch]http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2014/02/brain/zimmer-text
There is no physical disease in mental illness until drugs are issued.
The public can only see one or two trees (anecdotal evidence), the forest can be seen by science.
Regarding medications. They are not on medications, they are on drugs. Drugs are a force from the outside, when psychotherapy is a force from the inside. Totally crazy in my opinion to mix them together.
The Vampire can not be killed with a wooden stake in my opinion.
This particular Vampire can only be killed with sunlight, as in exposure.
Everyone (including the Government) must know the truth of the effectiveness of the drugs (not getting what the Gov is paying for) and the increasing percentage of the population deemed “mentally ill”( Government wants healthy people, not lifetime sickness).
If people believe psychiatrists are doctors, they are doctors.
If the people know psychiatrists are NOT doctors maybe something will happen. Doctors don’t jail their (innocent) patients. Doctors don’t drug their patient against their will. Doctors don’t lie about chemical imbalances. Doctors don’t give excuses for criminals choices of behaviour. Doctors do not damage their patients body or brain unnecessarily (Primum non nocere). A doctor knows a broken leg does not stay a broken leg forever. A psychiatric description/diagnosis must change over time and include the effects of the drugs the doctor issued to the patient (more drugs? more…)
Even after failure or death the family thanks the doctor for inducing brain damage onto the mentally ill person.
The first trick is convincing the family (and the patient) the individual(the patient) is ill.
“People will believe a lie because they want to believe it’s true, or because they’re afraid it might be true.
Given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe its true, or because they’re afraid it might be true. Peoples’ heads are full of knowledge, facts and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.” Terry Goodkind (writer)
The patient is the scapegoat of the families faults and problems. “All scapegoat theories postulate that if only the offending person, race, illness, or what-not could be dominated, subjugated, or eliminated, all manner of problems would be solved.” Szasz.
If you make mistakes you are not perfect ( not a perfect machine) It means you are defective, or mentally ill. Your genes or DNA is defective. A “normal” person rarely admits they are at fault, it is the other person at fault. Unconsciously they fear they themselves are partially crazy, so respond angrily if accused of being crazy, instead of asking for evidence or proof of “crazy”.
Psychiatry is all a confidence game and Ponzi scheme. The only person that can end it is psychiatry, but psychiatry will never admit they are not doctors. Government will continue to listen to psychiatry (and pay it) because psychiatry has the papers that say they are doctors.
I guess when there are too many “mentally ill” in relation to working people the Ponzi scheme will collapse.
Schizophrenia doesn’t exist any more than witches existed. There was no test for witchcraft, still no physical test for schizophrenia.
If you do not hear “voices” of conscious then you are a psychopath. You do hear voices for you feel sympathy for ” individuals who are deeply scarred and in need of help”, but you say you don’t hear voices.
“a life lived in fear of invisible things” you have got to be kidding me.
A life lived in anger of invisible things is better? Reminds me of “I don’t want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me.” a ruler in Hell, or a servant in Heaven.
Medication is for physical disease. There is no physical disease in the children, so you are advocating the use of drugs.
The children have an imaginary disease and authority is applying a physical solution.
Instead of an overt physical beating of the children to accept authority ( like they did in the past), they name mind altering drugs as medications.
“Medication” is a lie. The only real problem is the long term effects of the drugs on the physical body.
No one will take responsibility for the damage though. Everyone will say “I was just following orders”
“Harding’s study in The American Journal of Psychiatry (Vol. 144, No. 6, p. 718-735) showed that 62 percent to 68 percent of those former back ward patients showed no signs at all of schizophrenia. “They just didn’t have them anymore.” http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb00/schizophrenia.aspx
Regarding Copy_cat the kids “misdiagnosed”. They are not diagnosed/misdiagnosed for they are not sick. The children are not obeying authority, so in order to drug the children into behaving, a psychiatrist is needed to give the child a fictional illness( so drugs can be issued).
You wrote “…to start the trial and error process of seeing which medication might work”
There is nothing wrong with the brain to start off with, so you are seeing what DRUGS (not medications) might alter the patients behaviour.
Legal drug pusher.
Psychiatrist ” I am trying to stop you from killing yourself.”
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Patient ” I am trying to kill myself because you have named and made me diseased. Thanks to you Doctor I am spiritually diseased, physically diseased, occupationally diseased, socially diseased, emotionally diseased, and intellectually diseased.”
RE:”I’ve been waiting to see if anyone else would post.”Stephen Gilbert.
I think people care, they just don’t know what to write.
The inventors and invention of the lobotomy were given a Nobel prize, and it has not been rescinded. Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine, 1949.
“positive symptoms of schizophrenia”
To separate unwanted behaviour into descriptions of “positive” and “negative” is quackery.
The psychiatrist is selling legal drugs (a physical object) for problems that are not physical in nature.
After the patient is on mind altering drugs, no one can say where the symptoms are originating from, but the patient definitely has symptoms. Symptoms MUST be medicated/drugged, NOT. It only leads to more drugs, like any drug addiction.
Control comes from the inside not the outside, unless you are talking criminal behaviour. Criminals belong in jail.
Some one judging someone else’s emotions as too small or too large is not medicine and reminds me of “Goldilocks and the Three Bears” story.
“I sure am hungry,” Goldilocks said. “I’ll just have one bite.”
First, she tried a spoonful from Papa Bear’s great big bowl. “OW!” she yelled, “TOO HOT!”
Next, she tried a spoonful from Mama Bear’s medium-sized bowl. “Brrrrr! TOO COLD!” she complained.
“I need to sit down for a little while to rest my sore feet!” she thought.
First, she sat in Papa Bear’s great big armchair. “TOO HARD!” she screamed. Goldilocks stomped to the next chair.
Next she sat in Mama Bear’s medium-sized chair. It was so soft that she sunk in! “TOO SOFT!” she complained, as she pulled herself out of the cushions.
She tried Papa Bear’s great big bed. “TOO HIGH!” she yelled.
Then, she tried Mama Bear’s medium-sized bed. “TOO LOW!” she screamed.
The only treatment for soldiers is a psychiatric one, for the followers of science. No one can say the science doesn`t work. Billions of dollars and experts at stake.
Hopefully the light of reason will stop the mistreatment.
The trouble is that inertia is hard to stop. Most everyone believes the “medicines” can only do “good” things to the patient. If there is trouble the first thing doctors do is increase the dosage, not decrease it. A magical belief in the goodness of the drugs.
The invisible damage from supposed medicine (not drugs) is very hard to prove. If Jane or John Smith is not doing well how do link it to the neuroleptics and not the “mental-illness”?
Robert Whitaker has spoken of the reaction of doctors when confronted with the evidence ( of bad long term outcomes), they don`t want it to be true. The doctors want and need to believe they are helping when they prescribe psychiatric drugs in the long term.
Who is going to stop the psychiatrists from “helping” the children?
WHEN will someone count the numbers and “discover” more harm than good is occurring?
In food allergy in children it has been discovered…
The doctors write: “There is increasing speculation that a later introduction of peanut has increased the prevalence of peanut allergy.”
Fantastic article!
10 out of 10 !
“government socialize us towards apathy and compliance”
Further behind this need for apathy (from the government), is the need for continual growth of the economy at the cost of the environment. Environmental destruction at no cost to industry , because industry employs people. Industry lobbies government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax
It is a snake eating its tail, ouroboros , collecting taxes, then giving some of the taxes to the poor, then the poor paying the money back to the rich for rent and for food.
Like in the movie “Minority Report” face recognition cameras will eventually be commonplace and anonymity impossible. Everybody runs. Then they get drugged for life.
“folks internalized their oppression really well!”
No they follow orders. They are told they are mentally ill and accept it. They then self lobotomize themselves on the “doctors orders” taking their medication-poison, and get progressively stupider and easy to manipulate by authority. 25 year shorter life on average.
Q “Why would anyone voluntary get an ID card identifiying them as a mental patient.”
How do you as a mental patient pay the rent and pay for food? You have to voluntarily carry the card or you don’t get Government money for your incurable illness.
You asked “What are people waiting for?”.
Psychiatry is organized and claims to be science (fixes unbalanced brain chemicals FALSE).
People are individuals and don’t think psychiatry will come for them, because “I am not mentally ill”.
“First they came for the communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.”
Criminals belong in jail. Drugging people semi-unconscious outside of jail to prevent crime and then calling it medicine does not make it medicine.
Yes I agree Szasz had no problem with voluntary treatment. Preventing crime and/or acts of anger by injecting people with poison does work to keep the machine going.
Great comment Frank Blankenship.
I would like to add
Giving or forcing drugs for imaginary diseases is not medicine.
A broken leg heals over time like all physical injury. A doctor would not keep a cast(psychiatric drugs) on the broken leg (is it still broken?) for the rest of the patients life.
Keep a logbook during withdrawal and re-read it from time to time.
“To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle. One thing that helps toward it is to keep a diary, or, at any rate, to keep some kind of record of one’s opinions about important events. Otherwise, when some particularly absurd belief is exploded by events, one may simply forget that one ever held it.” George Orwell: ‘In Front of Your Nose’ First published: Tribune. — GB, London. — March 22, 1946.
What makes E. Fuller Torrey the sane one? He has collected hundreds of human brains . Brains that have been altered by years of drugs before being examined.
I don’t think it is possible to get “normal” control subjects. Like I wrote, the subjects would have to be tested on a daily basis to see if they are actually taking the drug in question, as it is known the drug has terrible effects on people. I would guess the subject would be doing the drug study for money, and if I were such a person I would cheat if I could (to get out of feeling the horrible effects).
Maybe those new subcutaneous-injected-long-acting drugs would work on the paid subjects FOR SCIENCE.
They would have to do a urinalysis on each person, every day for three years to confirm (scientifically) they are taking the antipsychotic drug.
I don`t really understand the language of the article. The 76 controls did not have schizophrenia? and they took the antipsychotic drug for three years? Did they stop suddenly the drug? If they tapered , how long vs dose was the taper?
They would have to find a group of “normal” people willing to take antipsychotics for three years, and compare these brains to regular “normal” brains taking a placebo for three years.
Thanks Duane.
I just watched the 7pm CBS news and there was no mention that the killer was on drugs/medications. They say he was under a delusion he was under a low sound frequency attack. If he did think this I wonder why he did not flee to the country or desert.
Yes “we” should stop using psychiatric drugs. Psychiatry is suffering from “Münchausen syndrome by proxy” when it prescribes or forces psychiatric drugs into their patients .
Definition of MSbP or MBP “a caregiver deliberately exaggerates, fabricates, and/or induces physical, psychological, behavioral, and/or mental health problems in those who are in their care.”
The DSM is used to put metaphorical ropes on people, to drug them and control them. The new inquisition. Do you or your child have untreated mental illness?
[Persecution is as old as man. What distinguishes inquisitions are communications, bureaucracy and single-mindedness. It is the last feature that gives rise to what Mr. Murphy calls “the inquisitorial impulse.”
“Moral certainty ignites every inquisition and then feeds it with oxygen,” he writes. But to keep it going, one must also have an organized bureaucracy that establishes a set of repressive procedures that are formalized in law and enforced by an institutional power.]
Have you looked into the Doctors eyes? I see hate. Hate of mental illness?, maybe hate of stupidity.
That the psychiatric drugs are contributing to the stupid behavior is not considered. Medicine can only do good things! It’s medicine not drugs!
Doctor enjoys hating? helping his/her patients?
A drug dealer sees a drug addict needing more drugs.
The drug dealer gave them the drugs in the first place.
Circular logic says “Give them more drugs for their drug addiction.”
“Jay, were responsible for the deaths…” If you mention a fictitious figure of 500,000 mentally ill off their drugs, please mention the ten million, (10,000,000) killed by psychiatric medications.
If you mention death/killing, you also have to put in a time scale. Over a week? Over a month? Over a year? http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-05-03-mental-illness_N.htm
“Imagine a society where one day psychiatric diagnosis and identity degradation ceremonies don’t happen any more. Like John Lennon sang – It’s easy if you try.”
The end result of a diagnosis is drugging. The purpose of the psychiatric diagnosis is to give a valid reason to drug the person and deprive them of liberty.
If a person is earning income in a legal manner he/she usually has their freedom for following the rules of society.
The insanity defence has to be removed from the legal system to remove the power of psychiatry.
Before a trial to judge a persons guilt or innocence , the accused must first be judged sane in a PRE-trial. This pre-trial has to be removed from the system.
What are the facts?
Why did they do the (accused) crime? Are they sane? Do what ? There hasn’t been a trial yet to establish a crime has occured.
Divide and conquer: Please do not use divide and conquer tactics on the community against electro convulsive “therapy”.
The only people that can ban E.C.T. are doctors themselves.
People who voluntarily take psychiatric drug are giving themselves a slow self lobotomy in my opinion. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
Question for Andrew L. Yoder : Do you also call for a ban on psychiatric medicine? If not(1) you are not telling the truth or (2) have an reprehensible and cowardly position to allow the prescribing of drugs that shrink the brain.
It is all about following orders. Consume the correct drug to be happy.
A Working Brain computer interface for the paralyzed was on 60 minutes tonight March 26, 2023.
Ugly and bulky as F though . And they did tell the body-brain tends to cover the contact points in a year or two.
I missed WHO was working on it.
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The FDA has approved brain interfaces for (DBS) Parkinson’s, and cochlear implants (year 1990), so I would say one branch of the FDA doesn’t know what an other branch is doing?
“The FDA approves VIM-DBS for essential tremor and severe tremor in PD.”year 1996
“The FDA expands indications for DBS, approving its use in the subthalamic nucleus and globus pallidus” year 2001″
Elon Musk should say he is working on improving Parkinson’s, and cochlear implants, and “accidentally” find other uses.
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without corporal punishment all they have is magical psychiatric medicines to control the elderly who are not obeying orders.
See “over-medicating of seniors in long-term care facilities”.
or “Thousands of patients with dementia in nursing facilities are being overmedicated with psychotropic drugs,”
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Bruce Levine says by the pharmaceutic industry numbers alone a certain percentage of the population will go crazy from psychiatry drugs-medicine effects on the brain.
So from day to day we will have dramatic episodes on the news of people losing their minds.
On the slow news we have people who do not have the will or discipline to keep their homes clean (called hoarders), and in both cases the general public calls for MORE psychiatry and their magical medicine to make “bad” people “good”.
IMO the (real) doctors have to tell the psychiatric medicine are just drugs, and people need a fully working brain to think and act correctly. (There is no magic pill.)
Act correctly with discipline, patience, sobriety, kindness, and other good things that an un-drugged brain might chose to do. A drugged brain will have difficulty acting disciplined (cleaning / personal hygiene), being patient, and being kind.
If you want to go to Evil, some evil people want those down and out, to stay down and out (on drugs called medicine) so not to challenge their authority. Those with the gold rule, so maybe without corporal punishment all they have is magical psychiatric medicines to control the (unruly) poor.
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You wrote “we do not have a right to die”
We do so have a right to die.
What depends is how fast the suicide is. A slow suicide IS allowed, while a quick one is not.
Slow suicide.
You can eat yourself to overweight and if you have someone to feed you keep eating. Right to keep eating
Drink (alcohol) to excess and keep going. Right to keep drinking
Smoke to excess and keep smoking. Right to keep smoking.
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“My sentence wasn’t grammatically correct,”
I do a Double negative also on occasion.
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Double negative to make a positive in the sentence.”it’s not uncommon for manipulative people to be working as mental health professionals.”
Translates to “It is common for manipulative people to be working as mental health professionals”
Who else would enjoy the job? What motivates people?
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Threatening to kill someone is against the law. I did not make the rules.
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If a person makes a (credible) threat to kill someone, what happens?
from internet….
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What Is a Criminal Threat?
A criminal threat involves one person threatening someone else with physical harm or death. To be convicted, the prosecution must prove:
the defendant communicated a threat of harm to another
the defendant intended that the communication be taken as a threat, and
the threat was credible and specific so as to place a person in fear of harm.
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So threatening to kill oneself has similar consequences and should first go through the legal system to establish the facts of the case.
A person can’t be free to threaten others or threaten to kill themselves without serious consequence.
This is in conflict with the “please talk about your feelings” advice on thinking suicidal. It puts the person who hears the threat in a difficult position.
Do the crime , do the time. Thinking suicidal should be put back in the closet, no sane being would consider it. Do any animals commit suicide?
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I also enjoy this song and it reminds me of the artist
John Lennon’s quote ” Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I’m liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That’s what’s insane about it.”
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“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”
“How do you know I’m mad?” said Alice.
“You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here.”
― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
Do big brained animals know they are going to die one day? How do they handle that information?
Everything we do will turn into dirt/burn/dissolve shortly after we are dead.
The only thing we can leave behind ( in the stream of time) are our children, and I have no children.
What is crazy?
“It’s not crazy if it works!”
So take that, if someone/something is working, it is not crazy.
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What is stupid?
“It’s not stupid if it works!”
So take that, if someone/something is working, it is not stupid.
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“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic.” ~ Thomas Szasz, M.D.
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Steve wrote “It is baffling to me that they continue to get away with it.”
Pastor Martin Niemöller
“Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables” The second group written in Niemöller’s source text.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians – “should I be my brother’s keeper?”
Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. – I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it’s right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn’t it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]? — Only then did the church as such take note. Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren’t guilty/responsible? The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland, that were written in the newspapers. … I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa!
We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out.
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There used to be walls on every city to keep the barbarians out.
Today there are no walls.
Everyone must follow orders. The barbarians are inside the city.
This person hears ideas? He/she might not follow orders.
Twelve Monkeys film in my head.
James Cole:
“So now it’s not about the virus at all. It’s about following orders, doing what you’re told.”
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I have had “psychotic” delusions, but all is not black and white, you might not be entirely wrong…. or right.
Only when psychotic does a person have certainty. Any educated intelligent person has room in their mind for doubt.
That is the (my) fun and thrill of psychosis , full certainty of truth, of being right.
The delusion of that one is in a reality like the Truman Show movie, is not black and white.
The famous director Alfred Hitchcock said “What is drama, after all, but life with the dull bits cut out.”
Day by day we are producing our own film in our minds. No boring parts? That is a good film.
If you take/make dangerous decisions because you believe you ARE in a film (with no consequences), yes that is ???? stupid maybe?
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Ya, I know what SMI is. SMI is a 25 year shorter average lifespan from all the poisons (called medications) given (or forced on) to the mentally ill.
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“lots of psychiatric diagnoses”
Psychiatry destroys BOTH male and female, I don’t know why you think male patients do any better than female. That they JUST destroy the female patients is bull.
So there goes your misogyny, if they hate males just as well as female?
I would say psychiatry is a matriarchy not a patriarchy for they do not put people in prison but in a hospital. People are not guilty or responsible for their actions (something a mother would say) because they do not know any better and are not in their right mind.
“The insanity defense, also known as the mental disorder defense, is an affirmative defense by excuse in a criminal case, arguing that the defendant is not responsible for their actions due to an episodic or persistent psychiatric disease at the time of the criminal act.” While a patriarchy would put someone in prison and call it a prison.
“that you can only access welfare if you’ll take a psychiatric diagnosis and take the medication.”
in psychiatry people get help with psychiatry medicine, they’re not controlled or coerced with (no visible violence) poisons.<matriarchy
"He whips out his prescription pad, and he writes out a prescription for Prozac."
It is about selling legal drugs as "medicine" to a willing public. (on the voluntary side of psychiatry)
Billions and billions of dollars.
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That is hilarious , that he thinks lithium poisoning is a good thing. I’ve know so many people with failed organs from taking that poison.
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in the article
“Haldol was supplanted by a new generation of ‘antipsychotics,’ though it remains a drug of choice in emergency rooms”
I used to read the thoughts of emergency room workers on the blog world, and they believe you can NOT give an overdose of Haldol, as no science has reported it to them as being possible. While anecdotally you can read of them giving uncooperative prisoner/patients dose after dose. If the patient dies, they blame it on the patients illegal drug use. Was it the illegal drug? No one will ever know.
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You can not write your argument for “feeling suicidal” coherently . First there is a feeling which we both agree. Second is the action. If feeling hungry you can find/ make some food. If feeling thirsty you can find and drink some water. You can not feel the future action of “finding/making some food” you can not feel the future action of “finding/drinking some water” . There IS a step between a feeling and an action.
Suicide is an action, not a feeling.
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Sorry I do not believe feelings can be suicidal. Suicide is an complex action. You are misnaming a feeling.
Some feelings are hunger and tired and thirsty. There are possible actions to take if you feel hungry, tired or thirsty.
To say you or other people are feeling suicidal is a lie and a mistake that makes people think there is no way out.
If you listen carefully to professionals talk/write about suicide, they know this truth and say “if you are thinking suicidal” not feeling.
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I’m not catholic but I believe the priests can forgive your mistakes or sins (some times you can bribe them with money in the case of a divorce), while psychiatry writes your mistakes or sins down on paper, never to be forgotten. Humans did not have cheap paper until mass production so I don’t know if the Catholic church would have used this device given the chance. In psychiatry Sins/mistakes are forgiven if you take/worship the holy molecules of science, but they are still written down and you may sin again just like you did in the past. Look its written down, so its proof. Squiggly black marks on a white substance…What isn’t fallible?
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If you know anything about the metal lead, you know millions have been poisoned by leaded gasoline. So it would have been interesting to know if anyone had the information of the blood lead levels in all these children. As if you have lead in you, your brain, it reduces your intelligence.
Toxic legacy of leaded gasoline https://youtu.be/YmJLPuNFjmA
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I don’t understand why so many people use the word “medications” when it is just drugs. Please write the word “psychiatric “, if you are going to write medications. “Psychiatric medications” to be specific because they are not medicines in the traditional penicillin and insulin kind of medicine.
Drugs vs medicine
Whats the correct dose? arbitrary with no measurement tools.
When does it end? never, with no measurement tools.
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Do not throw all brain imaging out, as some can prove brain damage and the worsening of brain function. (From WHAT?) Autopsy can prove brain changes to the dopamine transmit-receive functions.
A worsening of brain function would likely mean a stupider “patient” which is the opposite of what the psychiatrist claims they want.
The psychiatrist claims they want the patient to have an insight into their illness.
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Found one video of Szasz “Albert Ellis and Thomas Szasz Debate Mental Illness: Primal Scream Therapy” https://youtu.be/l4AwFIVsPE8?t=73
Freedom to worship what you want to worship, but most everyone , lawyers and judges believe the psychiatric drugs are in FACT, medicines.
I blame all the other legitimate (physical science) doctors who go along with psychiatry, but many doctors have severe sadness themselves and seek/take the magical pills of psychiatry.
The planets destruction by the hands of mankind will sort it out one day.
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Thank you for the work you have done Phil.
I am just a survivor of psychiatry.
3) “Thirdly, we need to use every opportunity to educate”
Disagree
They have all the answers, all the power and should not be spoken to.
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I second this comment that psychiatry is a religion. Thomas Szasz has said as much if you read between the lines of the writings. Why Szasz did not like “antipsychiatry” the same way you can be anti-christian or anti-jewish. People can choose to worship the holy molecules of psychiatry or not.
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I remember the death of Else Tindle madinamerica.com/2016/03/73830/
An application for an SOAD was submitted on February 23, 2015, by psychiatrist Dr Eugene van Rheede van Oudtshoorn.
However, no SOAD had been appointed by the time Dr van Rheede referred Miss Tindle for ECT,
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Informed consent starts with facts like the brain uses 0.000001 volts and they administer up to 400 volts to get a seizure. The professionals call the voltage small and get away with the lie. Why do other professionals not call them on the lie of small?
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We live in different universes.
In my prison for the last twenty years or so they have had drugs that melt on contact with the patients tongue and saliva , so you can not cheek them. Before the newer delivery system they would put the drugs in a drink in the size of a small shot glass, with a liquid drink so the “patient” could not cheek the drug.
And the food was never drugged because one patient could give their food to another patient, or the food could be taken/stolen by another patient.
The only antidote to the drugs I know of is water. Drinking huge amounts of water. An action/behaviour which they also have named a mental illness.
The water fountain only gave out a tiny trickle of water and was useless and disgusting. The number one thing you need is a container that can hold a large amount of water, so you know how much you have drunk. You do not want to over consume water, you can die from that as well.
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I found the link of millions killed, go to about 2:30 to hear/see the discussion.
RW says maybe 20 million at 4:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vkRt46QMms
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In this thread the comment “The Control Drug Fluphenazine killed (kills) more ‘Psychiatric Patients’ than Hitler” is disputed by Joanna Badura.
The increased mortality rate/shorter life of the mentally ill is known and yet is ignored, does back this claim up.
The math of millions of people on the drugs (all psychiatric drugs) does prove that the slow euthanasia has a higher death toll(total) than the five years of Hitlers rule. There was a YouTube video of professionals discussing the math of millions killed, but I can’t find it at the moment. (and this comment might not be printed if I put the link in.)
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic.” Szasz.
Billion dollars a year are being made by Pharma company and the deaths are written off as natural causes, because both doctors prescribe the drugs and doctors analyze the cause of deaths.
Planned VS unplanned doesn’t matter does it?
The planet warming too fast for species to cope and world ecosystem failing will shortly bring an end to the matter.
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On YouTube there are some videos on the the anatomy of the brain and a few point out where “schizophrenia” is located in the brain. The neurologist doctors do not respond to comments, and continue teaching falsehoods.
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Besides brain damage from a voltage thousands of times of what a “normal” brain runs on.
The heart can stop from ECT.
Imagine you as a doctor want to administer medicine after the heart stops, how will it travel through the body? The medicine can not leave the site you injected it into, such as the arm because there is no pulse.
Google “asystole in ECT”, they treat it like it is nothing. “In all, 65.8% of patients experienced asystole at some time during their course of ECT. “
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The reporter wrote
“Perhaps I’m looking at this wrong. Maybe the anguished screams that once rang through these buildings will be exorcized by the delighted shrieks of Halloween revelers. Maybe the joy and laughter will wipe the walls clean of the agony that still clings to them.
But as someone who heard the screams when they were real, I just can’t get there. ”
The patients had the luxury of screaming? They were lucky to be able and allowed to scream in my opinion/experience.
It is far worse to be not allowed or to be unable to scream by the psychiatric “medications” that make the observer happy. What crime did I commit again? (to deserve such treatment) There was a trial?
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A psychiatrist saying “You will get sick again.” ( you need me because you need legal drugs)
Is like saying you are going to break your leg again, so you have to wear a cast for the rest of your life. It is bullsh$t. I will not break my leg, though I admit the possibility exists.
In degrees of sickness, how sick will I get? There won’t only be good days ahead, but bad days? What makes me sick? How do psychiatric drugs help?
The feeling of Fear make me sick and the fear of being hospitalized-jailed, and drugged-poisoned can be a feedback loop.
As I now have no fear of being hospitalized-jailed, and drugged-poisoned there is no feedback loop.
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There is some hope of the fraud getting caught.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2021/06/stanford-psychiatrist-questions-use-neuroimaging-drug-development/
Stanford Psychiatrist Questions Use of Neuroimaging in Drug Development
Psychiatrist Alan Schatzberg claims that current neuroimaging techniques for assessing psychiatric drug effectiveness may be inadequate.
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I will miss Don Weitz.
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You wrote “nothing is going to stop this train.”
There is some hope of genuine science (neurology) stopping the prescribing of psychiatric drugs.
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If the psychiatrist do not have medicines to give to (or force onto) their patients, then they are not doctors are they?
To dmschlom
Everyone is for psychiatry for the fear of the future. The patient is continually drugged for fear of the future. Everyone knows there is no chemical imbalance, virus or bacteria. Controlling the other person but how?
Insane actions have been with mankind since the start of time and psychiatry and its drugs is the panacea.
Historical events
Kill your son because of voices . Binding of Isaac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac
Kill your wife in anger . Labours of Hercules https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labours_of_Hercules
Kill your brother .Cain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cain
Today all taken care of by magical pills that make people “good” instead of “bad”.
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More drugs…
Using Imaging to Look at Changes in the Brain
Interview of Dr. Nancy C. Andreasen
Q. WHAT ARE THE POLICY IMPLICATIONS OF THIS FINDING?
A. ….Implication 2: we need to find other drugs that work on other systems and parts of the brain.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/health/research/16conv.html
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I do not have the technical expertise to put this data into program that can extrapolate the results of the drugging in a few years.
More drugs only lead to more drugs, but that IS what drug dealers sell.
The people not making money from not selling drugs need to show the governments (that is paying for a lot of the drugs) the stats on the increasing rates of mental illness and that the drugs are not working as claimed. But who has the money to lobby the government?
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take a “urine test”.
Numerous people have lost their kidney, as in the kidney dies, from the lithium “medicine”. If a real doctor wants to see if your kidneys are functioning properly, you should let them and give them a urine sample if they request it.
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I wonder if he did , or was forced to do a cold turkey withdrawal from the psych drugs? As those that issue the drugs delusionally think there are no withdrawal effects.
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Kendra wrote in the article “He had gained 30 pounds and could barely speak.” on the drugs.
With little ability to behave psychotic, the patient isn’t psychotic, thinks the quack doctor.
Frog goes deaf story
A scientist is working in the lab with a frog. He has trained it to respond to simple verbal commands and wants to observe its ability to jump after it has lost one or more of its limbs. He starts by saying, “ok frog, jump.” The frog quickly does a small hop. The scientist notes, “frog jumps easily.”
The scientist then cuts off one of its legs and says “ok frog, jump.” The frog again hops, but with a bit of difficulty. The scientist notes, “frog with 3 legs still able to jump.”
The scientist cuts off another leg and says “ok frog, jump.” The frog stumbles awkwardly but is still able to do a small hop. The scientist notes, “frog with 2 legs able to hop a bit.”
Then he cuts off the third leg and repeats the command. The frog pushes with its remaining leg, trying to hop, and finally propels itself forward a bit. The scientist notes, “frog with one leg unable to jump fully, but can move forward.”
The scientist then cuts off its last leg and says “ok frog, jump.” The frog does nothing. The scientist repeats his command but the frog still does nothing. “Jump frog, jump!” But the frog doesn’t move.
The scientist notes, “frog with no legs goes deaf.”
Patient on anti-psychotics , without symptoms has been successfully treated.
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You wrote “Everybody needs to “walk out” of psychiatry.”
I ask the SMI patients entertaining the thought, to not forget where the money comes from to pay the rent and food bills. BEFORE you walk out.
You do not want to be homeless.
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“There are no US national laws on ECT leaving individual state governments to regulate treatment. Whereas some states have detailed restrictions on use, other states have no regulation at all. This variation applies to multiple areas of ECT practice, including who can receive ECT, who can provide informed consent, who can prescribe or perform ECT, and what administrative requirements (eg, fees, reporting) must be met by ECT practitioners. Knowledge of these state laws will help providers not only to be aware of their own state’s regulations, but also to have a general awareness of what other states mandate for better patient care and utilization of ECT. ” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28991068/
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here in Canada Ativan given/forced on patients.
quote from article “”That was my first question when I got to the hot zone,” she said. “Where is the oxygen?”
Instead, she said, nurses were given a protocol to follow, which involved administering morphine and lorazepam — commonly known as Ativan — to calm the patient down.
Title “No oxygen or running water in hot zone at worst-hit long-term care home in Quebec, inquest hears”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/chsld-sainte-dorothee-coroners-inquest-1.6068266
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Alternate title “Quack doctor does not want science to put him out of a job”
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Today in my news-feed regarding adding rather than subtracting.
“Less is more: Why our brains struggle to subtract” https://youtu.be/1y32OpI2_LM
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Right Steve. That day I was thinking specifically of city employee’s who do not perform there job. The public is paying the city workers when they pay their taxes, the public has the problem ( of no services).
Then I carried it over to psychiatry. What is a psychiatrists, or psychiatries motivation to change? When their (shrinks) common belief in the example of when someone is ill , the patients needs more psychiatric drugs, not less.
from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/aurora_shooting
“He did tell Fenton the medication hadn’t helped his obsessive thoughts. She doubled the dose of sertraline from 50mg to 100mg. “
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I was just thinking the other day “What is their motivation to change?”
Who has the problem? Who is paying for all this failure?
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Remember to question who is giving you advice.
How is their withdrawal going? Why take their advice?
Keep a notebook/logbook written in your own hand of your journey like a sea fairing captain would. This is the only way to learn from your mistakes and what works.
If you successfully withdraw, I am / you are , a threat to their ( the mass population of taking drugs) religion, and they don’t like it.
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They can not hide the bodies they are responsible for. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/map/euthanasia-centers-germany-1940-1945
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https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9150190-if-you-can-convince-the-lowest-white-man-he-s-better
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”― Lyndon B. Johnson
If you(the psychiatrist) can convince the lowest man he’s better than the best schizo/bipolar/whatever, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.
Looking down on the mental patient is enjoyed by all “normal” people, maybe the last prejudice.
Szasz video https://youtu.be/5xstBU83rbI?t=41
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truth793 wrote “I have no sympathy for someone who thinks treatment consists solely in prescribing drugs”
Without drugs (renamed medicines) you can no longer claim psychiatry is a medicinal treatment , it is a religious/moral treatment if it only uses words/talking/ communication.
People usually get to chose what religion to follow/worship.
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Who would listen to this call for more money to study behaviours?
Szasz “Confusing behaviours…. with diseases” https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpiph6
“funding to research a fairly homogeneous population with a common ancestry” looking for biological evidence, when we know there is no evidence in the DNA or whatever. The second there is evidence of “mental illness” it is no longer mental illness but physical illness.
People who are poor have bad nutrition, bad physical effects on their brain, body and soul.
The guy is talking about poverty not mental illness. Poverty needs to be studied? What BS.
“argues that mental health research is inequitably distributed across the globe.” You can only look after your own country. People need clean water and food more than mental health services. He is asking for a WHO or NATO and the United Nations mental health police?
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okay, it is fixed now.
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A typo on the HTML links, “Letters to the editor from Joanne Moncrieff, and David Taylor/Mark Horowitz.” are reversed, as in each hotlink goes to the other.
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I had a broken computer and stuck a broken post it note on it to remind me to fix it. Fixed the computer but forgot to remove the note. The next person observing the computer thought it was broken because of the old label on it. The computer worked fine, but the person thought it was broken because of a label.
Then you get to the human factor , if the person believes they are broken/defective from the past judgement. Léolo – fight scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMgWZ7PUrRY
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You should not support The Onion, by this extra publicity, for the articles/video on schizophrenia it has published.
https://politics.theonion.com/in-the-know-is-the-government-spying-on-paranoid-schiz-1819594659
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In the religion of psychiatry they write down the persons confession, so it can never be forgotten. Will the confession be forgiven? If you worship and consume the holy molecules of science, (medication compliant) you will be forgiven.
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“Why does asking for emotional support”
The person is not asking for emotional support , the person is threatening to hurt or kill someone. If the police are aware of someone threatening to hurt or kill someone their job is to intervene.
The dark comedy is when the police arrive to help, very often the kill the person they are supposed to protect/serve/save.
Don’t threaten to hurt or kill anyone and you wont get into trouble.
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I write with a pen, then when/if you re-read the words you know for certain they are yours.
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TD brain damage produces involuntary movements and behavior that makes a person look crazy to “normal” people. The charlatans want to promote the belief the crazy person is a real thing, a thing that would exist without a psychiatrist and people jerking around does sell the need for a doctor. but the doctor created the problem shhh shhh now.
Narcissism was recently invented and it does describe psychiatry
4 traits
1. They will never apologize. I am helping you! Don’t you want help?
2. They will never assume responsibility of their faults. This article on psych drugs effects , etc
3. They will never be introspective. Is the patient really ill? Am I helping the patient? Am I a doctor?
4. They will never be forgiving. The patient will always be mentally ill or temporarily in remission.
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I am surprised this comment was allowed by the censors. I will attempt to back it up with online articles
Nazis increased the likelihood of death and decreased the likelihood to have children in their enemies.
Death: increased chance of
“By Marilyn Elias, USA TODAY
Adults with serious mental illness treated in public systems die about 25 years earlier than Americans overall, a gap that’s widened since the early ’90s when major mental disorders cut life spans by 10 to 15 years, according to a report due Monday. ”
https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-05-03-mental-illness_N.htm
Reproduction: having children
Sexual side effects of pharmacological treatment of psychiatric diseases
“there is consistent evidence to suggest that a large number of psychiatric medications adversely affect one or more of the three phases of normal sexual response: desire, arousal, and orgasm. ”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20668442/
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Human behaviour ( like animal behaviour) is driven by genes in a way, the urge to reproduce. If the animal or human doesn’t have the behaviour, you know the results, they don’t have offspring.
“The Contest” is the 51st episode of the NBC sitcom Seinfeld.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGhg-htVnJ0
seinfeldscripts.com/TheContest.htm
GEORGE: Oh boy..
JERRY: What are we doing here..?
GEORGE: ..Oh boy.
JERRY: This is ridiculous.
GEORGE: Do you believe this? We’re fighting. We’re fighting.
JERRY: I haven’t been myself lately. I’ve been snapping at everybody.
GEORGE: Me too. I’ve been yelling at strangers on the street.
REMEMBERING MASTURBATORY INSANITY
http://www.szasz.com/iol8.html
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Szasz said and wrote that choices are not in the DNA. People make choices to behave good or badly.
https://youtu.be/Qj7GmeSAxXo?t=102
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I LOL’ed at the beginning.
“Do you know how you got here?” I had no idea how any of us got here. Big Bang? Evolution? I shrugged again.
Because it was true for myself as well. They are speaking literally , and you are thinking in another way like figuratively, or too deep.
Movie Phenomenon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHDSNs9wBpU
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alcohol for alcohol addiction
“Participants also significantly reduce their alcohol consumption and learn a sense of community.” https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/managed-alcohol-programs-canada-australia-1.3921655
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“Don’t the Iranians have enough misery” you are writing like there is someone watching out for the people, there isn’t. Just like there is no one watching out for the planet.
Selling legal drugs is expanding is all. People want the drugs( named medicine) and those that don’t want or approve of medicine are Neanderthals. it is a perfect system, if it wasn’t perfect it would/could not continue to exist.
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I agree with you streetphotobeing, another reference source
Murderous Science: Elimination by Scientific Selection of Jews, Gypsies, and Others, Germany 1933-1945 https://books.google.ca/books/about/Murderous_science.html?id=pH9uAAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en
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I too can ” look back on what I’ve been through with anger.”
and this anger at the injustice can be named “psychosis” by those who claim to be helping with “medicine”.
So I must forgive , but not forget, and be grateful for what I still have.
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Thank you Robert Whitaker for continuing to fight to show the evidence of the effectiveness of the psychiatric drugs over time.
Yes the psychiatric medications used to be called neuroleptics, and they should be continued to called neuroleptics because if you personally have not been forced to, coerced to, or willingly have taken the drugs, you do not know the effects. The term “Anti-psychotic” medicine makes the “chemical lobotomy” palatable to the person who has not taken the drug.
Advice to the recovering schizophrenic in regards to the chart “Psychotic symptoms in schizophrenia” 23% VS 79%. What is psychotic? It means different things to different people. Today we have digital cameras. Get one and photograph your psychotic symptoms.
It is not surprising to me that being tied up for 15 years makes it unlikely to recover. A person needs a fully operating brain for a mind to work.
And they want the frog to work after they cut off its legs? https://lowres.cartooncollections.com/animals-amphibians-frogs-frog_s_legs-restaurants-animals-NL700109_low.jpg
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You wrote “no one knows that the damages are from chemicals do they. “?
Yes the invisible beating that can not be proven as a violent act. When they change the name of chemical/drug to “medicine” , then no one can question the treatment. What was/is the illness the medicines are prescribed for again? What proof is there of an illness? Who is being disturbed?
You want to deprive a child of medicine? You must be ill.
You also wrote “I do hope that eventually psychiatry becomes part of an ugly history”
The trouble is those that drug children ( both parent and psychiatrist), and those that have invested a lifetime into a chemical solution to “wrong” behaviour will not want to admit they are wrong about the drugs.
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Thanks Sam
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At the end of the article, the comments of the prison workers, pretending to work in a hospital is something to see.
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You wrote “By measuring that some neurotransmitter levels were lowered, or raised by the drugs, it was concluded that everything the people taking these drugs had been going through was caused by too much, or too little of the neurotransmitter.”
This “measuring” has never occurred. Those in power designated the drugs as medication. Robert Whitaker has reported the cadaver studies on the brain of those who took/were forced to take the drugs. https://robertwhitakerbooks.com/anatomy-of-an-epidemic/antipsychoticsschizophrenia/
Secondly you wrote “why is it important to believe in a mental illness?”
People used to sin before “mental illness” was invented. You do not have to believe or not believe in sin for the behavior to exist.
Change it to “why is it important to believe in a sin?”
Szasz wrote “In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but
one into sickness. Anger(5), gluttony(2), lust(1), pride(7), sloth(4) are all the symptoms
of mental diseases. Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.”
Vice and Virtue
1 Lust Chastity
2 Gluttony Temperance
3 Greed Charity
4 Sloth Diligence
5 Wrath Patience
6 Envy Kindness
7 Pride Humility
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If your forest is on fire, you should wait as long as possible before putting the fire out, right? The forest will grow back? It might not.
In coffee withdrawal , similar brain receptors “caffeine withdrawal usually lasts at least two to nine days”
and in the brain shrinking study https://www.nature.com/news/2010/100606/full/news.2010.281.html
“Within a day, volunteers’ brains returned to almost their original size as the effects of the single haloperidol dose subsided. ”
I must concede alcohol addiction might have to be a slow withdrawal. https://www.healthline.com/health/alcoholism/withdrawal#symptoms (they prescribe more drugs, different drugs for the absence of the drug alcohol)
“The symptoms may worsen over two to three days, and some milder symptoms may persist for weeks in some people. “
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I am glad for the scientific evidence, the more the better. But it is like stating the sky is the color blue usually, taking drugs that shrink the brain and a infection of COVID19 at the same time is bad. https://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
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I LOL’ed at “Kolker doesn’t get around to dropping this bombshell until page 239 of his book,”
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Philip, Thanks for the criticism . Thanks for the (imaginary) conversation of the first meeting.
“Patient”: Why am I here?
Psychiatrist: Because you are experiencing auditory hallucinations, paranoid delusions, and disordered thinking.
It is a prison.
“Patient”: The only distress I’m feeling is because you’re keeping me locked up in this place.
If you, the patient gets angry ( the normal response) then you, the patient, need more drugs they call medication.
The system is perfect, if it wasn’t perfect it wouldn’t exist.
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The DEVIL made me do it or THE CHEMICALS made me do it.
a brain misfiring? what is its idle speed? bad gas? what about the transmission?
NSFW ? Photos of chemicals affecting the brain in animals, but magically this chemical reaction doesn’t happen in humans. http://amazingworldofpics.blogspot.com/2010/03/animals-humping-wrong-animal.html
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Sorry the link doesn’t work. It works for me. Just a joke.
Half of the joke is the delivery , so you have to know how Carlin did his stand up.
Carlin was saying “I don’t have pet peeves ( pause) , I have major psychotic **** hatreds!” audience laughs. another link https://www.quotes.net/mquote/35860
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George Carlin on the word “psychotic” image/quote https://9gag.com/gag/aV3AgB2
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Here is a story for you on a blind person.
“One explanation, that B.T. was “malingering,” or lying about her disability, was disproved by an EEG test. When B.T. was in her two blind states, her brain showed none of the electrical responses to visual stimuli that sighted people would display — even though B.T.’s eyes were open and she was looking right at them.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/24/the-blind-woman-who-switched-personalities-and-could-suddenly-see/
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To MSIDHU who wrote”down-side to medications we have today, like in other aspects of medicine treating cancer, end stage renal disease”
Choices versus diseases….
Dr. Thomas Szasz (1920-2012) wrote
“In physics the same laws are used to explain why airplanes fly and why they crash. In medicine the same principles are used to explain why people live and why they die. In psychiatry, however, one set of rules is used to explain sane behavior and another set of rules is used to explain insane behavior: sane behavior is attributed to reasons (choices), insane behavior to causes (diseases).”
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Great response Steve McCrea, thanks for responding to “theloniusmonk”.
Those afraid that some one will take their drugs away, or afraid the chemical restraints placed on a family member might be removed , will defend the drugs as “medicine”.
For a brain shrinkage positive web link , where a lobotomy is good for your brain “But decreasing brain volume could also be responsible for the beneficial effects of the drugs.” https://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
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UPDATE CBS News has retracted their story that they knew each other. IF they had known each other and had grievances between them, those grievances could have been a factor for motivation. I’m sorry I trusted CBS news.
Who judges who? I don’t know. In the past it was whoever had the best gun and army to enforce the King/Queens law. http://www.laborarts.org/collections/item.cfm?itemid=428
If precious metals are no longer precious metals, as in, they have no value or power , then the pyramid has no top, no way to pay or motivate those under them.
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On the CBS news tonight it was reveled the police officer Derek Chauvin knew George Floyd , so that changes the murder from blind racism to something else. IMO obviously all officers should pass some kind of psychology test to indicate that they are not racist. That this test does not exist, or that the existing test let police officer Derek Chauvin become an officer is wrong.
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Depending on the amount of psychiatric drugs , saying patients-prisoners should exercise, is like telling a person with visible physical restraint of chains and shackles to jump and exercise. They are the insane ones , but they have the power. https://books.google.ca/books?id=YK7CBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA147&ots=YAAe9Fr0P1&dq=chemical%20straitjacket&pg=PA147#v=onepage&q=chemical%20straitjacket&f=false
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Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg in a video at time index 03:18 of 04:10 schizophrenia is about to be found in the genome . LOL. What are they going to do when it can not be found?
Fictional word of psychotic is used in the video. People are mistaken, people are stupid, people are angry.
They are never going to admit schizophrenia doesn’t exist as a disease. Behaviour is not a disease. “In psychiatry, we use one set of laws to explain sane behaviour, which we attribute to reasons (choices), and another set of laws to explain insane behaviour, which we attribute to causes (diseases).” Szasz
https://www.thedoctorstv.com/videos/downsides-to-genetic-screening-traits-unborn-babies
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Great comment
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Another factor is the persons teeth. Chewing food lets you get nutrition. My teeth are in bad shape, how about yours?
“Many psychoactive medications cause dry mouth, which makes teeth much more prone to decay,”
If you can’t get out of bed from the psychiatric medication, you also will be unlikely to take care of your teeth.
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From the article NIMH Director Joshua Gordon ” Imagine if you had schizophrenia—that concern or suspicion could turn into frank paranoia.”
So many people believe schizophrenia is a real disease.
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You apparently do not know the Catch 22. If you are sane enough to seek help it means you are too sane and do NOT need help. Only those who have lack of insight and can not believe/conceive themselves as wrong(ill) need “help”. You were merely neurotic and they can only treat the psychotic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)
Szasz “Doubt is to certainty as neurosis is to psychosis. The neurotic is in doubt and has fears about persons and things; the psychotic has convictions and makes claims about them. In short, the neurotic has problems, the psychotic has solutions.
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selective breeding of the population for 50 years.
“D. K. Belyaev in Novosibirik, Siberia….selection for specific behaviours such as tameness … after relatively few generations, the foxes were increasingly tame and docile,”
They put “I dream of jeannie” reruns back on TV here, and the psychiatrist is portrayed as an idiot. Was this a PR stunt to get people to trust shrinks again after WW2?
Like the TV show Hogans Heroes is supposed to make us forget the nazis ?
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asylums are proven not to work when the patient can not complain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPBhuaxpL90
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Children by definition can not be mentally ill, only adults are expected to be able to control themselves ( in the battle between emotions VS intellect).
Dr. Szasz “the child mental patient is doubly disfranchised ”
said page 68 https://books.google.ca/books?id=2pduB22E43oC&lpg=PA68&dq=szasz%20psychiatric%20rape&pg=PA68#v=onepage&q=szasz%20psychiatric%20age%20of%20consent&f=false
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I knew this song as a young teen.
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The drugs are just non-visible ropes and straitjackets. Everyone has forgotten how the mentally ill were treated before drugs.
Are you following orders? Then you wont get drugged.
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Regarding ” I have not had to reveal my psychiatric condition to my employers.”
Do not ever reveal your psychiatric history or whatever.
The “normal” person fears the future and fears the “mentally ill” that is why they have so much faith ( religion) in the drugs they call medicine.
If confronted on their understanding of “mental illness” it is soon obvious they have cognitive dissonance on the subject, and NO ONE wants this pointed out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
If you are rich as Howard Hughes was, then you can talk openly about mental illness.
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To Robert Whitaker: Thanks for the remarks of the quality of the NYT obituary of Bonnie Burstow.
Totally bizarre to quote an opponent of someone in their obit.
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Thanks Slayer for the reminder that the label is an opinion.
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Thank you Robert for this analysis.
I would add the drugs sexual effects on the brains D2 receptors has not been reported/studied. Numerous rat brain studies show haloperidol and clozapine stop male sexual behaviour.
Modulation of Dopaminergic Pathways to Treat Erectile Dysfunction.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27541930
switched to
Modulation of Dopaminergic Pathways to Create Erectile Dysfunction.
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Two films with fathers who might not have been the best, 1 (fiction) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_(film)
and 2 the real https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crumb_(film) with 2 out of 3 “schizophrenic” brothers.
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There is no antipsychotic drug because there is no psychotic molecule, virus bacteria. This is a con game with acronyms to make it seem legitimate. When will the house of cards collapse? Pretty soon I think.
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Thanks for responding Rachel. I would add that my parents are invested in the description of schizophrenia, as if it is wrong it means they have betrayed me (their child) for the years past, and they could not have done that could they? Who would betray their child? It is not possible….
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Once labelled , you can not be unlabelled . I challenge you to find people who have had their mental illness diagnosis removed. Your/their illness may be in remission and at the present time, you/they may be “stable”.
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
All the King’s horses
And all the King’s men,
Couldn’t put Humpty together again.
What is important is functionality, how well you can function.
What is functional? If you don’t know, then that is half the problem. Magic pills are not going to educate anyone magically. Psychiatrists who complain of lack of insight (in their patient) while making their patients stupid are the the insane ones.
A psychiatric diagnosis is a blessing or a curse.
From the movie “Office Space” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Space
Looking at the office…
PETER “What if we’re still doing this when we’re 50?” (said in horror)
SAMIR “It could be nice to have that kind of job security.”
With severe Mental Illness you can’t get fired from your “job” as a patient, so you do have income security.
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oldhead, Psychiatry can not be abolished, like the religious group of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism can not be abolished. People willingly worship psychiatry and this worship can not be stopped.
oldhead people want and need drugs. Drugs are the number one reason for psychiatry in my opinion. People need a legal way of getting drugs for themselves, or for forcing the drugs on others to control them. Only psychiatry can legitimize the consumption of drugs.
license to get alcohol during prohibition. https://images.app.goo.gl/dPVe14WqHzyPtPsP6
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If you are looking for more HORROR, you can look at a medical paper from 1961 on targeting the deep brain.
While today the neurosurgeon / psychiatrist is looking at the reptilian brain in the human brain or the root core of the brain, where the emotions are thought to be, back in 1961 they were destroying/ stimulating the thinking part of the brain the frontal lobe.
I did not know when lobotomy was abandoned, but from Wikipedia “Doctors in the Soviet Union concluded that the procedure was “contrary to the principles of humanity” and “‘through lobotomy’ an insane person is changed into an idiot.” By the 1970s, numerous countries had banned the procedure as had several US states.”
The medical paper of horror, https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/jnnp/24/4/353.full.pdf
or if they erase it
https://web.archive.org/web/20191115155138/https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/jnnp/24/4/353.full.pdf
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The con game of naming drugs as “medicine” is evident in this report of Whitaker and Blumke.
Thank you for the work of accumulating all the evidence and putting it together.
Hopefully the science will not be overlooked by those paying the bills. Not getting what they are paying for.
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Meds you write. The drugs are not medications. There is no measurable illness the drugs are affecting. Should the dose be 4mg or 100 mg? The decision is totally arbitrary. There is no science to back up the claim the drugs are medicine as there are no brain chemical (imbalance) tests. A comparison is the thickness of the rope binding the person like a 4 piece stranded rope or a 100 stranded rope or the different types of metal that can be used in handcuffs. And people willingly go along with this idea of drugs as medicine.
When is the stop date to the medicine? When is the stop day of the drug? Human behavior, a human’s choice to do/perform evil or good is not a medical problem.
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As the scientists are not reporting the DBS failures, we have to list and publish them.
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1) Deep Brain stimulation on two anorexia women https://ca.news.yahoo.com/twin-sisters-debilitating-ocd-dead-apparent-suicide-pact-194855023.html
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2) Chantal Remeny alive in 2006 given DBS
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-on-switch/article18161067/
Chantal Remeny dead in 2009
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?n=chantal-remeny&pid=125450309
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3) A woman named Sheila Cook was claimed to have had successful DBS, but in the long term it did not work. When the DBS failed she willingly(?) received a precise Lobotomy /Anterior Cingulotomy . http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8279576/British-woman-cured-of-deep-depression-by-pioneering-surgery.html
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“who is helping people to understand that the drugs they take may be too many?”
Drugs? They are not drugs they are (magical) medications that can only do good because a doctor prescribed them.
Too many(much)? People can not take too much of the God they worship. Don’t you want to be more like a perfect God?
“shouldn’t she have figured out” What the FORK??? how do you figure something out without the thing that does the figuring?
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“But if you don’t take the psychiatric drugs you will be-come mentally ill ” they say.The Paradox power of psychiatry , my icon of one hand drawing the other (M.C. Escher). The only person who can leave the equation is the “patient”. The physical drug addiction AND society belief in magical psychiatric drugs makes it extremely difficult.
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The original “first they came for” by Martin Niemöller January 1946 does have the mentally ill named “Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables.” http://marcuse.faculty.history.ucsb.edu/niem.htm
I am sorry your mother Gail Susan Harris only made it to the age of 46. With those in power assigning her death to natural causes, like https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
The only difference between the sane and the insane is that the sane have the power to lock up the insane.
Hunter S. Thompson
The “long term recovery rates for the schizophrenic patient” can be translated to “long term recovery rates for the Communist” why would a communist work for the authority that would jail , poison or kill him/her?
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I am sorry for the misunderstanding . No I did not mean that people in distress are evil. I was looking at the end of your writing when you wrote
“those who commit mass shooting or any other hideous crime, do suffer from a sick mind. ”
The ability to leave a relationship or location would relieve the distress in many people. Most are bound by lack of money/income.
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I do not like the idea or term “sick mind” as it implies a medical problem that a doctor might attempt a remedy.
People can’t say the word “evil”, can’t say people chose to be evil, they have to be “sick”.
It can’t be a choice to do Evil, that’s not possible. Everyone is good!
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It is a placebo device. As a placebo device , I think it is better than the psychiatric drugs that do damage to the brain.
The amount of voltage/current electricity used in these devices can not reach the brain. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/04/cadaver-study-casts-doubts-how-zapping-brain-may-boost-mood-relieve-pain
If you do have a high enough voltage/current to reach the brain, it becomes painful and you have to use anesthesia.
It is all quackery to say people and children’s choices are not their choices.
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There are people who defend the religion (that isn’t a religion. HOW DARE YOU SAY IT IS A RELIGION) of the worship of the holy molecules of science that can only do good things to people.
When in fact the molecules, the drugs can hurt people as well as “help” people.
“Cooper … there’s a stigma for people actually seeking medical help for something that could save their life.”
This person can not conceive that the psychiatric drugs ( renamed medications) could END and damage peoples lives.
Magic chemicals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twhvtzd6gXA
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Found a much better video recording put a y outube.com/watch?v=55JVdN1kRBY
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From the article “When I was suicidal, content about suicide was soothing for me. ”
In music
Just Want To See – Cowboy Junkies outube.com/watch?v=a4jq5qbLgAg
I don’t want to be no patch on no quilt
(I just want to see . . . )
Tear-stained stitching linking memories to guilt
(I just want to see . . . )
I don’t want to be no hair on no wall
(I just want to see . . . )
Blood-stained note saying ***k you all
(I just want to see what kills me)
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You wrote “I think the majority of “mental health” workers may actually suffer from doublethink”
No they do NOT suffer from it, they make a living from the trick. They are fully functional. No one is going to stop them. They pay their bills with the paycheck they receive.
A person is either nonfunctional or functional , there is no mental illness.
If some one is too anxious , yes you can give them drugs to make them function.
Stopping the drugs, who want to do that? its medicine! Cant stop giving medicine to a patient.
https://keepcalms.com/p/i-don-t-have-an-alcohol-problem-i-ve-got-plenty-of-alcohol/
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I googled teeth and mental illness and found bacteria linked to it https://www.colgate.com/en-us/oral-health/life-stages/adult-oral-care/ada-09-throat-and-mouth-bacteria-linked-to-schizophrenia
“lactic acid bacteria was at least 400 times more abundant in schizophrenic patients than control subjects”
They don’t say if the patients were drugged/medicated BEFORE the change in bacteria.
Dry mouth and effects of the drugs/medications may be causing the physical differences and then the bacteria etc is not a clue to the causes of “mental illness”.
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“all he was doing was being naked, howling at the moon” If someone wants to be naked, and clearly non violent, and howl at the moon, what’s really the problem?
The location.
I bet people who scream and get naked want to do it around people to get a reaction from them, otherwise they should have gone away from civilization first.
Those with the gold make the rules. Money ( a collective fiction/insanity) is not going to disappear any time soon. Humans still have plenty of food and water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt got to come back to teach man some humility.
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Better yet get a TV show. Actor or writer?
Ghost_Whisperer Five year running TV show
The series follows the life of Melinda Gordon (Jennifer Love Hewitt), who has the ability to see and communicate with ghosts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Whisperer
Medium Seven year running TV show
The series stars Patricia Arquette as Allison DuBois, a medium employed as a consultant for the Phoenix, Arizona, district attorney’s office,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_(TV_series)
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I am happy to support this website for quality articles like this one. Thanks!!!!
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As there is no such thing as a psychotic molecule , bacteria or virus, anyone with common sense knows an Anti-psychotic is a fictional medicine.
Imagine a (illegal ) drug dealer that wanted to reduce their (drug addicted) clients use of drugs. Not gonna happen. What is the drug dealers incentive? Who is the drug dealer working for?
Peace, there must be peace at all costs.
http://docsontheweb.blogspot.com/2007/08/allergic-to-haldol.html
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The number one reason for psychiatry is for people to get drugs. The people can not call them drugs. They can not be taking or forcing others to consume drugs, they must be taking medicine. The necessity of psychiatry is to rename drugs as medicine. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/during-prohibition-your-doctor-could-write-you-prescription-booze-180947940/
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With today’s technology we could define someone with a physical brain defect found in a MRI as a patient due to the scientific evidence. The brain damage has to be evident BEFORE psychiatry intervened with its treatments.
As I am sure you know, psychiatry can predict a horrible future and then makes the horror come true.
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I like the cartoon. Szasz said there is a time to laugh at the powerful,“When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others to laugh at him..” and John Lennon also advocated for nonviolence, as once they have you (visibly) angry , they know how to handle you.
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Jailing someone and calling the jail a hospital will also make people crazy.
From the article “Amit’s belief that we were conspiring against him could be described as a delusion. It might also be described as an understandable response to what was happening to him.”
Guy in the article is selling a book. Getting paid to look after and write about the mentally ill. ehn.
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Regarding the electricity overnight on children’s brains.
The electricity is DC or direct current so does not cause a seizure. At best , the treatment is an active placebo.
At worst, chemical reactions will occur in the blood and potentially poison the child. To separate hydrogen and oxygen H2O in water you can apply a DC voltage to water that has conductors. At the positive and negative contact points gas and chemical reactions will take place.
The odds of electricity reaching the brain is very unlikely, as proven by a cadaver study of DC electrical stimulation. Medical article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29396478
For DC to work they have to use higher voltages/power, which then makes it too painful to use on conscious people.
Layman article. “Buzsáki, who still hopes to use such techniques to enhance memory, is more restrained than some critics. The tDCS field is “a sea of bullshit and bad science” https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/04/cadaver-study-casts-doubts-how-zapping-brain-may-boost-mood-relieve-pain
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Congratulations on your work to follow where the money goes .
I hope you are aware of the trap seriously mentally ill persons are in. If they are not taking psychiatric medications then they are not following medical advice and can be forcefully medicated, or if they are not taking medication it means they are well and will no longer receive Government money to have food and shelter.
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I think it is hilarious that those who believe in the religion of psychiatry criticize the legitimacy of another religion.
“The only way out was to tell the psychiatrists that they were correct. I am insane but getting better.” Rosenhan experiment.
Psychiatrist predict a bad future then make the bad future happen by drugging their patient. Drug withdrawal is judged as the mental illness returning and the necessity for drug resumption.
They accuse the schizophrenic “Positive symptoms of schizophrenia may be related to distortions in time perception.” When it is they themselves who have a distorted perception of time. The future has not happened yet and there is nothing to fear, yet they fear the future and must medicate the present moment to prevent the “bad”.
The “medicines” one ingests do not have the ability to distinguish between “good” sane thought and “bad” insane thought and attack ONLY the “bad” thoughts. The person decides what is rational or not.
You can not fix stupid.
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“You cannot tell me that I do not have a physical illness” double negatives? Converts to “you can tell me i do have a physical illness”
This is a bizarre statement when the illness is called mental illness, and a whole different set of rules are applied to mental illness.
In physical illness the patient can leave against medical advice AMA.
People do have the potential to make wrong or bad decisions ( or the right one) , if they do not have the choice they do not have their freedom.
Yes indeed the medication or drugs can inhibit cognition, keeping the patient in a trap of lack of insight into their problem(s). Indeed the doctor/psychiatrist can enjoy their position of power too much.
Bad Medicine, A Psychiatrist’s Control Over Patient’s Mind https://youtu.be/ha9vnLMrXeQ
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ha ha!
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Schizophrenia Bulletin 38(4):661-71 · March 2012 Childhood Adversities Increase the Risk of Psychosis: A Meta-analysis of Patient-Control, Prospective- and Cross-sectional Cohort Studies https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223990226_Childhood_Adversities_Increase_the_Risk_of_Psychosis_A_Meta-analysis_of_Patient-Control_Prospective-_and_Cross-sectional_Cohort_Studies
Schizophrenia Research Available online 22 May 2019 Linking Childhood Adversities with schizophrenia: A mediating role of the balanced time perspective
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The religion of magical pills is in power. This era started with the first antibiotic (penicillin) and the birth control pill.
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. “Thomas Szasz
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/thomas_szasz_106710
Anger at the system will not help me/you sleep at night.
“The establishment will irritate you… to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you.” John Lennon.
It must be a cold anger, not hot.
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You mean people have reasons for their problems? That can not be! http://www.collectmedicalantiques.com/sites/default/files/gallery-images/robertburger-villingenplastometerneedhighresberlinphrenologist.1410027341.jpg
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You wrote “my poor parents decades ago that I could “relapse” at any given moment”.
This is an exploitation of fear ( of the future) in the parents, that psychiatry is happy to use. Your child is sick and must be helped. A parents love and need to keep the child safe. How does the child escape the parents and the psychiatrists fear of the future?
The psychiatrist can play the hero by drugging the patient so they can not perform any action, good or bad.
You causing any trouble?
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“People assume I, and others, can’t handle these emotions. This is projection indeed.” you wrote.
Yes they can call the anger “psychotic” instead of that the person is angry. With the person suitably diagnosed, antipsychotics can be medically administered.
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“people can become afraid to leave their home” you wrote. I wonder about this.
Go back in time and how many homes had heating , running water to drink and a toilet to use? Before modern times you had to go out to chop wood for the fire or get coal for the furnace. You had to go outside to the well to get drinking water. You had to go outside to use the outhouse.
Change your “tribe” and how many humans were nomadic? living in tents.
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cancer survivor pride movement yes
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right on
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I will never support “mad pride” , like I would never support “cancer pride”. Psychiatric survivor pride, yes.
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bad link to official article
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I read this quickly and did not see and slavery. “so long as the idea of mental illness imparts legitimacy to the exercise of psychiatric power, psychiatric slavery cannot be abolished.” Szasz https://selfdefinition.org/psychology/Thomas-Szasz-Psychiatric-Slavery.pdf#page=12&zoom=auto,-61,690
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The children are on legal drugs, but they can not fault the legal drugs in influencing children to make bad decisions.
Like the (alcohol) drunk driver is not responsible for crashing the car, the other cars and obstacles ( the bullies) around the car are to blame.
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“…the cause of major psychiatric disorders, and how, in fact, they were finding instead that the drugs, over time, induce the very chemical abnormalities hypothesized to cause the disorders in the first place. ”
Yes, I have a major psychiatric disorder diagnosis of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is know for Affective flattening, Akathisia, Alogia , Apathy, Asociality, Avolition, …..
and Anhedonia: The inability to experience pleasure from activities usually found enjoyable.
The psychiatric medicines given to the mentally ill known as antipsychotics disable the dopamine and serotonin receptors in the brain.
the-scientist-and-the-frog http://jokes.cc.com/funny-doctor/fj9nmq/the-scientist-and-the-frog
Who is insane?
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According to the bible, the story of the first humans, Adam and Eve, Eve heard temptation from the devil to eat of the tree of knowledge.
Abraham hearing https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+22&version=NIV
Jesus hearing Satans temptations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ
From the movie “Trading Places”
What do they want me to do here?
– I’m sure they’ll tell you.
– What if I can’t do it?
Just be yourself, sir.
Whatever happens, they can’t take that away from you.
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” quit riding it.” yes stop looking for a chemical to fix you.
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The drugs are not medications.
This is what the psychiatric profession is hinged on. If there are no psychiatric medications ( there are not) , then they are not doctors.
So the drugs have to BE medications or they are out of a profession.
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hey , you know they can vote it IN, or OUT of the DSM, you know that’s objective science. SARC
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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/expert-answers/niacin-overdose/faq-20058075
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Sleep ah? You think it is a pleasant sleep? You obviously have not been forced to consume the drug, or brainwashed to consume the drug. And it is not sleep.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10565099
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The diagnoses might be a description of behaviour like” too fast” or “too slow”, but the trouble with giving such a description-diagnosis to a child or anyone under the age of 18, is that the diagnosis is self fulfilling.
The doctor says I have a low attention span due to a disease? That’s a great excuse for not taking responsibility for my actions, for not trying to get better. I got a disease! My actions and inaction are a result of a disease. The doctor says so!
This is the TRUE danger of psychiatric diagnosis, the nocebo effect.
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Thanks for the science!
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Thanks for the article Dr. Moncrieff.
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The current medication for Postpartum Depression killed a women.
“While they were waiting for the antidepressant Zoloft to “kick in” after their son was born, she took her own life.”
Elephant in the room and no one sees it, myself included. The article had me overlooking it until I read the first comment here by “Truth” who wrote ” I wonder if..?”
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wrong placement for comment
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This paper discusses and analyses three articles appearing in a 1942 issue of the
American Journal of Psychiatry.
JAY JOSEPH
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/c10d/3408c200077d9123f802a92408859c37d90c.pdf
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“By about 1960, widespread consumption had begun to make amphetamine’s negative health consequences more evident. Amphetamine psychosis had already been observed in the 1930s among long-term narcoleptic users of the drug, and individual case reports mounted during the 1940s and early 1950s.41 Initially, psychotic episodes were attributed to latent schizophrenia “unmasked” by the drug or to some other preexisting psychiatric pathology in the user.42 In Philip Connell’s definitive 1958 study of 40 cases, however, the British psychiatrist persuasively showed that amphetamine psychosis could happen to anyone, and eventually would, given enough of the drug” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2377281/
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“We all have a bit of a Nazi inside us,”
it is in the NT bible as well. kill and burn the useless (tree)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_barren_fig_tree
If you are being given shit in your life (dung in the story), maybe it is Jesus trying to fertilize you so you produce something. (joke)
Psychiatry does the opposite of dung-fertilizer for a plant, it poisons people while calling it medicine, and those around the mental patient for some reason still believe the confidence trick, urge their loved one to take the medicine.
YOU TAKE THE MEDICINE!
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No, the facts, the information, the science comes from the top down. A PBS show on breast cancer said everyone was in favour for radical mastectomy to cure cancer. The doctor who proposed lumpectomy is just as good, was derided by his fellow brainwashed doctors. Only when the patients heard of a scientific trial, and got the science to prove the survival rates are the same for both radical mastectomy and lumpectomy did things change.
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I saw a study of people given a placebo, explicitly told they are taking a placebo and the placebo effect still worked on a majority of the subjects. So you don’t even need the “active” placebo (some kind of noticeable physical effect) to get a response.
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“why do you suppose mainstream religions have embraced psychiatry”
It is about where the drugs are coming from.
because the elite in the church still sin, still suffer from “depression” and need someone to turn to for excuses and the solution of legal drugs coming from read doctors, not drug dealers.
and also the children of the elite have problems , so they need psychiatry to drug(called medicine) the children.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-25682368
Living in an urban area with green spaces has a long-lasting positive impact on people’s mental well-being, a study has suggested.
UK researchers found moving to a green space had a sustained positive effect, unlike pay rises or promotions, which only provided a short-term boost.
The authors said the results indicated that access to good quality urban parks was beneficial to public health.
The findings appear in the journal Environmental Science and Technology.
Co-author Mathew White, from the European Centre for Environment and Human Health at the University of Exeter, UK, explained the study built on the findings of a study that showed people living in greener urban areas were displaying fewer signs of depression or anxiety.
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great find! thanks for the link
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A bartender can be charged for giving too much alcohol .
“Bartenders who serve intoxicated patrons may be at risk for legal and civil charges as a result of these actions. Many states have enacted legislation to allow for prosecution and civil suits of commercial establishments that serve alcohol to visibly intoxicated individuals or to minors.”
And the doctor was on a mind altering substance like alcohol.
Heads I win, tails you lose. Win- Win for psychiatry
With no science to measure good thoughts to bad thoughts from being chemically altered it still is a win-win position for psychiatry.
If the patient does well after given-forced medicines, psychiatry helped.
If the patient does poorly after given-forced medication, psychiatry says we told you he/she was ill. We are trying to help.
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Depression used to be a sin, as in a choice people make. If you can not sin ( you do not have the DNA that they are looking for) you are not a human being. The sin is ingratitude to not appreciate and enjoy the gifts that God has given us, like the sight, sound, smell of things.
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The fish, the client wants to stay on the hook of drug addiction. Right. Not. There are no brain chemical imbalances. The legal drugs are just drugs, not medicine.
The psychiatrist can switch up the drugs, for the patient. If the patient goes nuts from the change, it is a win for psychiatry (Patient back in psychiatry’s hospital-jail or worse). If the patient adjusts to the new drugs (with an illusion of choice or freewill) it is a win for psychiatry as they kept their “patient”.
Remember the hero needs to be a hero by issuing helpful medications to a sick patient.
You are sick aren’t you?
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“I do not ever believe it shrunk my brain”
The drugs do shrink the brain, wither you believe it or don’t believe it.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/493628
https://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
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What is psychosis? Just another made up word. No measurable chemical , blood test, Xray, MRI or whatever.
If there is no psychosis then they can’t push there fictional cure, the anti-psychosis drugs, that they call medicine.
If they can’t administer medicine, are they doctors?
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The Simpsons cartoon made fun of the phenomenon of teenagers being depressed. Leaving childhood has its pros and cons. “Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel” 0:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cELOaM-wRUY
The say psychiatry went too far with naming bereavement a mental disorder, maybe teenage angst is also not a mental disorder?
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The problem will solve itself when the children of today grow up and don’t/can’t/won’t have children or will not have a profession that earns income to pay for their children.
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Makes you ask “Who watches the watchers?” Was the authority the one with the mental illness (obsession with medically assisted death) , not the “patient”?
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“A slave is he who cannot speak his thoughts.” Euripides (484-406 B.C.)
Today the slave is not allowed to have thoughts, he might speak of them, or act on them.
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I don’t know how religion is doing where you live, but the churches that were full in the 1940’s are now empty. People used to pray to God before the holy molecules of science started working , like molecules of penicillin.
Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/thomas_szasz_106710
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for Rachel777
first the general public does not want psychiatry banned
second organized religion uses psychiatry for the sin of sloth, known today as depression, so they don’t want it gone
third psychiatry is part of the law, the accused must be sane to go to court. too obvious,too much proof of a killing from anger and the person is automatically “insane”
How does it get banned?
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” no more psychiatry” you have to be realistic and recognize some people like and want psychiatry. People want to play patient and doctor.
To ban psychiatry would be like to ban a religion.You can’t do it.
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To clarify, a drug only becomes a medicine when it is prescribed by a (mortal) doctor. You the doctor are preforming the magical transformation of drug to medicine. You must bear the responsibility, if you can not, find another profession.
What responsibility you ask? The actions of your patient that they take while under the influence of mind altering drugs, like a person who voluntarily drinks alcohol and drives home. Did he drink too much?
So the default is obvious , drug your patient so much that they can take NO action, and then call the lack of action a successful treatment.
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As a critic of psychiatry I have to write the drugs are not medications. It is self fulfilling to write “Who decides?” when it has already been decided the drugs are medicines by the authority.
The doctors are issuing legal drugs not medicines, as there is no physical disease in the patient for the drug-chemical to affect.
The prescribing doctor does not go through physical withdrawal, or the ups and downs as the drugs are absorbed into the patients body. There is no WE in the legal drug dealing.
“He recently asked me if I thought he could ever stop — I said I didn’t know, but certainly we could work on it.”
“we’d keep on making these decisions together”
The drug dealer does not want to see pain in their client so will continue to prescribe drugs.
“My biggest fear is that people who need the drugs will stop taking them.” Dr. Andreasen
http://www.psychodyssey.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Inteview-iwth-Nancy-Andreasen.pdf
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old blog on same problem
http://diffthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/03/murder-of-torben-martin-bdker-bosnia.html
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Then you got the catch 22. If you are looking for help, it means you don’t need help (to those in authority).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)
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“Help” is locking the patient up so they can not hurt themselves.
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poising people and giving them drugs. “used as an adjunct to antipsychotic medications.”
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Everyone believes in psychiatry, so it has power. Believing in magical medication. https://www.google.com/search?q=can%2527t%2Bfix%2Bstupid%2Bmedicate&num=50&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved
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from the movie “Departed” What can I use you for? https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/64df23fd-8cb6-429e-b596-6e8af9fdb9d0
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It is more profitable to poison them slowly over 20 years than to outright kill them.
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That is why Peter C. Gotzsche got into trouble, for pointing out the elephant in the room.
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with facebook, who is going to use their real name?
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I am sorry for your loss. Sorry that the cause of death report was simply ‘respiratory failure’.
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Another aspect is military deaths on psych drugs. In the U.S., one suicide (successfully) completed a day, with many on the psychiatric medicines. They estimate 22 or 20 suicide attempts a day. Do they blame the drug, the access to the drug, the drugs effects on cognition that predisposes someone to perform more foolish actions? Suicide is attributed to mental illness, not the drug. And those that who accidentally take an overdose, is it suicide or an overdose? What is written on the death certificate?
Canada “Suicide toll reveals how system failed Canada’s soldiers and veterans”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/investigations/number-of-soldiers-vets-who-died-by-suicide-after-afghanistan-on-rise/article32673192/
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I ask the doctors who read this website to consider writing the paper.
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Someone could write a book on the problem of falsifying the death certificates, or at least document it, and put it in the medical literature so it can be cited as a “real” problem.
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Doctors and scientists that believe the lie that the drugs are medicines usually write” natural causes” to the death of psych patients, or like in this article “died from a hereditary heart condition”. They falsify the science and still claim it is science . The Nazi’s did something similar.
https://www.britannica.com/event/T4-Program
“The relatives then received condolence letters, falsified death certificates signed by physicians, and urns containing ashes.”
other story
Death From Meds’ Side Effects Ruled “Natural Causes”
https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
and the 25 twenty five earlier death rate of the mentally ill , they do attribute it to “cardiovascular, respiratory
and infectious diseases, diabetes and hypertension” https://www.who.int/mental_health/management/info_sheet.pdf.
If they are faking the cause of death, any attempts to fix the problem will obviously not work. And they will not be caught until another fifty years of evidence builds up to prove they are lying.
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Is the brain broken or not? Today we know the brain is NOT broken, so then what is psychiatry? Is it a medical treatment? No. Will I worship the holy molecule as instructed? No, not if I have my freedom.
no chemical imbalance to be fixed by medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot
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At the SMBC comic link, click on the red button for a second example of a failed suicide thanks to a vaccine.
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Well to stop suicide, they could test tying people up and compare that to people who are not tied up and see which one has a higher suicide rate. You know I am joking, but you can extrapolate the drug that inhibits someone from moving (same as a physical rope) would lessen the chances of suicide. Doesn’t really make it anti-suicide medicine.
dark humor on SMBC on suicide. Imagine a day, a pill, a vaccine for suicide! http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1210#comic
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“record it on video ”
If you can record abuse (1) on video and get it out (2), I am sorry but most everyone will not care, so don’t go to the trouble.
Many “normal” people hate the mentally ill. They actually believe there is a difference between people because someone (professional) told them so.
But there are assholes https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/539495/dwarf-neighbours-misery-asbo
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The psychiatrist wants to be a (real) doctor, a hero that removes disease.
The disease is a non-physical idea.
“It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.” http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2010/02/it-became-necessary-to-destroy-town-to.html
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any justifiable outrage is medicated into submission.
Everybody runs. Guilty before the crime? https://youtu.be/6tQgODygWXE?t=99
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“I hire couple of thugs to break them for $5,000”. You are going to end up in jail unless/until you learn to forgive. Most everyone is just trying to make it through the day.
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You wrote “Nazi Aktion T4 program … sterilization of “defectives” … can’t happen again.”
It is happening right now. The psych drugs mess with both the pleasure perception in the brain and the sexuality of males/females.
Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction https://rxisk.org/post-ssri-sexual-dysfunction-pssd/
Drugs commonly used to treat schizophrenia https://www.cochrane.org/CD003546/SCHIZ_management-of-sexual-problems-due-to-antipsychotic-drug-therapy
Males growing breasts https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5385759/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-adhd-drug-that-gives-boys-breasts
The Effects of Antipsychotics on Prolactin Levels and Women’s Menstruation https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260063403_The_Effects_of_Antipsychotics_on_Prolactin_Levels_and_Women's_Menstruation
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“those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire, the French author, (1694 – 1778) https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/voltaire_118641
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what is the difference between the “inpatient psychiatric unit” and a prison?
in “hospital” I had to say I was a smoker when I am not, to get any amount of daylight/outdoor time. In hospital I asked ” When am I getting out?” the response was “Soon, soon” unlike a fixed date for a crime. What was I guilty of? Where was my lawyer?
You start off your story with the story of a psychotic woman,
[The new patient was a severely psychotic woman who looked into the air like it was teeming with ghosts. She called us witches and warlocks and vampires.]
but you don’t speak of her history. Was she born psychotic? or was she made that way perhaps?
More drugs. More Drugs. More drugs. Rather than rational thought, rather than “This is a sever drug withdrawal”. Magical drugs that can only do good. It all starts from a lie that the drugs are fixing something.
“It is better one hundred innocent Persons should be found guilty and suffer (psychiatric drugs and psychiatric prison), than that one guilty Person should escape.” says Psychiatry.
This is the reverse of ” it is better one hundred guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer”said by Benjamin Franklin
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Get out of the game of being defined and defining others. If you look at my icon it is one hand drawing the other hand. A symbolism of the behaviour. Founded in hate. https://www.mcescher.com/gallery/back-in-holland/drawing-hands/
The only person who can leave the endless battle/equation is you, as the psychiatrist is paid, and also compelled to continue to define you.
In order to leave you must find forgiveness for yourself and for others. You must not identify too closely with the master or the slave.
If you like the fight, you keep doing what you are doing.
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LOL great one!
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” NO OTHER justice worthy conclusion than to *abolish* psychiatry. ” wrote Richard D. Lewis .
You know this can’t happen. Szasz explained psychiatry is too enmeshed into society to be able to remove it, even if some power was able to. at 2 :37 in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY78qJNLoQ0
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from my old blog
“We are helping people!” they exclaim.
If a person rejects forced psychiatric help then its “Catch 22”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)
If you want help , then you are not sick,
If you don’t want help , then it means you are sick.
“We are helping people!”
Maybe , maybe not. How many are being harmed by psychiatry? Many obedient patients develop Diabetes and other disease from psychiatric drug treatment.
Being in a prison without a crime, makes madness. Take for example a tortured animal. It behaves badly from the abuse it has received. Do you help it by confining it, and beating it more?
Call it medicine. Right. You try the medicine out for its medicinal properties.
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PART B) Then you have all the people who need/want to help the poor unfortunate with medicine. They can NOT be issuing drugs, they must be giving out medicine. They are HERO’s! for helping the unfortunate with medicine, not hurting people with drugs.
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/12/funeral.html
“They do not know how to stand in the presence of grief because they can’t help but make it immediately a judgment of themselves– how can you see a woman crying and not do anything? Purposeless hyperactivity to cover up one’s impotence and lack of empathy.”
Converted to
“They (psychiatrists) do not know how to stand in the presence of crazy because they can’t help but make it immediately a judgment of themselves– how can you (as a doctor) see a crazy person and not do anything?”
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“a need for a public education campaign to correct the record”
Who is going to pay for that? And the people who are happy to eat their God , need to, or want to believe in a magical pill (their God).
Regarding the children. Yes the children believe they are defective and need medicine for not being a perfect robot , instead of the past times when humans were imperfect sinners, who inevitably sinned or made mistakes.
If the children take on the responsibility for their actions , then they might feel guilty for their “bad” behavior( then need MORE drugs for feeling bad). It is better and easier to blame your problems on unbalanced brain chemicals. Those who do believe in magical chemicals have NO reason to change their belief system.
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I hope they count this in the Shorter life span for the mentally ill. Do they say if the two KILLED were locked up in handcuffs or posey belt? Did they have a chance to escape like their guards?
While saving the patient they killed him/her. is common in psychiatry.
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A person has to pay the bills (for an excuse/reason to work in the prison. And the prison is not disappearing any time soon).
You do know the only difference between the mad and the eccentric is just a matter of the amount of money that they have?
No money and you are on the street and presumed mentally ill….
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The first image “The Ship of Fools” with global warming, plastic waste in the water/ocean, nuclear (cancer causing radiation) power and such things , we are still on THE ship of Fools. But maybe nearer the end.
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The image of people chained and being UN-chained Philippe_Pinel_à_la_Salpêtrière_.jpg is the same as today.
People want the irresponsible in chains otherwise-known-as “medication” or psychiatric drugs. An invisible chain. And there are doctors today who want to reduce the chains, reduce the number of drugs/medicines patients are on so they can recover and become a “healthy” individual.
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In the third image mystery-of-madness-3-1024×648.jpg, a room full of people looking at the patient, WOW what a thrill to be the center of attention to all these learn-ed people. https://twentytwowords.com/will-janet-jackson-haunt-justin-timberlakes-rumored-super-bowl-performance/
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When neuroleptics became popular it was also the same time antibiotics worked for the first time. When given enough antibiotic to a diseased person it cured them. The first experiment was a semi-failure because they ran out of antibiotic.
Albert Alexander https://io9.gizmodo.com/here-s-why-the-first-patient-to-receive-penicillin-didn-1733727092
I think this is how they came up with the drugs for life ( for mental illness) , back in the days of witchcraft-religion> everyone went to a church of some kind in the 1950’s. How does the drug-medicine work? I don’t know, but keep giving it to them as they are improving.
Worship of the holy molecule, you must worship! and one day you will be cured! ( sarcastic joke)
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“Gay liberation had ACT UP. ” the shocking of genitals (http://theconversation.com/gay-conversion-therapy-proposed-ban-is-a-positive-step-but-the-battle-remains-to-be-won-98492 ) is mostly banned but the shocking of the brain is acceptable. If only the brain was considered more important than the genitals.
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dont reinstate I say. they are not doctors.
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With brain damage “I emerge from my three-week-long ECT treatment to discover that I am not only this Princess Leia creature but also several-sized dolls, various T-shirts and posters, some cleansing items, and a bunch of other merchandise. It turns out I was even a kind of pin-up—a fantasy that geeky teenage boys across the globe jerked off to me with some frequency. How’s that for a newborn-how-do-you-do damsel in very little cinematic distress?”
To wit, one afternoon in Berkeley I found myself walking into a shop that sold rocks and gems.
“Oh my God, aren’t you…the salesman behind the counter exclaimed.
And before he could go any further, I modestly said,
“Yes, I am.”
“Oh my God! I thought about you every day from when I was twelve to when I was twenty-two.”
And instead of asking what happened at twenty-two, I said, “Every day?”
He shrugged and said, “Well, four times a day.”
Welcome to the land of too much information.
http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/carrie-fisher-wishful-drinking-excerpt/
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Some people say that back-in-the-day doctors gave “sick” women orgasms.https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/all-about-sex/201303/hysteria-and-the-strange-history-vibrators
A pro ECT article and other articles on electroshock mention the toes curling.
“When we have taken their shoes and socks off, we would look at their feet and normally what you would see is their toes might twitch or curl up rhythmically,” from https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/17/what-is-ect-and-how-does-it-work
and in the movies how do they show people had sex?”Give Her A Toe-Curling Climax In 15 Minutes”
“We know orgasms can make your toes curl, ” http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31213362/ns/health-sexual_health/t/ah-ah-ah-choo-orgasms-make-her-nose-stuffy
To bypass the touching of the genitals, they go directly to the brain , and “stimulate” the brain.
Are the people getting ECT/electroshocked having pleasurable sex? Should that problem not be treated first?
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‘Video Designed To Make You Experience Schizophrenia Is The Scariest Thing You’ll See All Day ” goes with the above link
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purple guy in the article https://www.ranker.com/list/schizophrenia-inducing-videos/brandon-michaels
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I think the schizophrenic artwork should be banned as well. ” Look at that crazy art that crazy person made!” Further convincing “normal” people how crazy , the person named crazy is. We do not know the circumstances the artist was under when they use all purple for skin color. M.I.A. uses this art as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
Another example is the writing on the wall some mad people do.
https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/50071/1001406724/original/teaching-empathy-through-schizophrenia-simulators-photo-u1?w=650&q=50&fm=jpg&fit=crop&crop=faces
“Look at that mad rambling” people say. Did he/she have anything to write on, like paper? No ? So what can a person write on when they feel the need to write/do art? Besides does anyone like looking at a blank white (jail-that-isn’t-a-jail) wall? https://www.123rf.com/photo_6339633_an-image-of-a-depressed-prisoner-sitting-in-his-prison-cell-marking-days-on-the-wall.html
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“Have others found that writing about these experiences”
Too much anger or too much sadness-depression might get you back into the hands of psychiatry, so I have to watch my levels of anger and sadness, or any other feeling, to make sure it is not in excess. Writing in public or in private can help purge the excess of emotion. The excesses may be justified or not, maybe a result of previous psychiatric treatment ( too many dopamine receptors).
https://books.google.ca/books?id=mDqxay6-51oC&lpg=PA198&ots=kv1q0Jd0Hz&dq=too%20many%20dopamine%20receptors%20whitaker&pg=PA198#v=onepage&q=too%20many%20dopamine%20receptors%20whitaker&f=false
The bottom line is how functional am I today? I have my self defined standards that I try to follow every day and it has worked for me for several years.
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Thanks for your work , Dr Moncrieff, and Dr Steingard. Coming from a now 50 year old , who was diagnosed/given the label of schizophrenia at age 19 and does not take “meds” or drugs. Intelligence and “good” behavior come from a fully functioning mind, not a drugged one.
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“I don’t believe that genes have nothing to do with it” is a double negative statement .
Alcoholics like to say alcoholism is a disease , so that they do not feel guilt, so they do not feel the responsibility for their bad choices. This belief in disease is good for the feeling of guilt a person can have can make people go back to drinking in order to try to feel better.
In the religion of Christianity, Jesus died on the cross to provide the way for people to receive forgiveness from their sins.
In the religion of psychiatry. people like to blame DNA and unbalanced brain chemicals for their sins, to remove feelings of guilt and responsibility for bad behaviour, and it works! How do you find forgiveness? You find a scapegoat. Those bad molecules and genes are responsible, not me/not my loving father/not my loving mother!
I find it far more easy to forgive someone if I think they are mentally ill. I am no longer angry at their bad choices and bad behavior because they are not responsible, they did not do it on purpose. Finding forgiveness….
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Thank you for your work Jay Joseph.
T. Szasz wrote psychiatry is the medicalization of morals. Where “bad” behaviours were previously called “sins”, behaviours made by choice , made by freewill , are now considered a disease.
Most obvious is the childhood disease of short attention span/playing games renamed “ADHD”, where in the past, fear of corporal punishment kept most in line, but today, corporal punishment no longer socially acceptable, authority switched to using drugs , drugging children obedient.
The child now believes they are a disease( for not being a orderly robot), have disease inside them because authority tells them so. This is far worse than a physical punishment( like from a spanking), as they feel/think their diseased soul needs medication. Authority is lying to them and they have no other option but to believe the lie, from the evidence of their own hands/minds playing when they are not supposed to.
Vice and Virtue
1 Lust Chastity
2 Gluttony Temperance
3 Greed Charity
4 Sloth Diligence
5 Wrath Patience
6 Envy Kindness
7 Pride Humility
“In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but one into sickness.
Anger(5), gluttony(2), lust(1), pride(7), sloth(4) are all the symptoms of mental diseases.
Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.”
All humans might choose to sin, or be forced to, so all must have the same “defective” DNA.
Who/what would humans be without our “defective” DNA? We would be robots.
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Great article! Great to ask who is paying for the electroshock.
“It is disturbing to learn that public funds in Oregon are paying for ECT for Medicaid-eligible people.”
great story “the staff came to Dean and told him that the drug had worked a miracle”+ “I’ve been cheeking them the whole time.”
Regarding “push these kinds of inquiries”
A quote from the movie the Matrix
“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.”
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redux wrote “It would be interesting to see how many Anne Franks there are currently, as well as an accurate number of Jesuses.”
The difference is obvious, as Anne Frank is a mortal without magical powers, and Jesus can raise the dead and do other miracles.
I met a guy who believes he is Jesus, but I did not ask him to show me any of his magical powers. Would he have become angry if asked?
A person who believes they are Anne Frank should be less dangerous than someone who believes they are Jesus.
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Thomas Szasz did not like the term antipsychiatry, and wrote a book Antipsychiatry-Quackery Squared. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41fTJhNxPkL._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
People can seek the religion and/or the help they want. When the religion (magical pills) is forced on you by your government , that is when things go wrong.
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“Why did the authors not control for medication?” because everyone is supposed to be on the drugs/medication, they can not find a sample group to study.
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I second the “get exercise” comment.
Mathematically if you convert all the food we eat into energy, we have a lot of potential energy to burn up.
Seeking one drug in place of another drug is an endless battle to go to sleep. Stop worshiping molecules. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/exodus/32-20.htm
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If the sound-voice is real it can be recorded or amplified. If the sound-voice is real there is a direction to it like a left or a right direction. If the sound is real you CAN get away from it, its only a matter of time and distance. The voice can help and/or trick, you never know which it is going to be. You can wear ear plugs in both ears or just one ear. You can play music (louder than the voice) , you can go to outdoor places that are quiet and only have sounds of nature (too quiet for the voice to manifest).
Take photos take notes as in the passage of time we can and do forget the past.
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I don’t know if this is applicable, as it is asking the public questions, their opinion/opinion pole . But asking the question to get the answer you want still might work. Comedy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wySaC_z12GY
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the episode https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repentance_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)
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Otherwise instead of measuring an erection status when (visually) exposed to different material https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_plethysmograph,
they look directly at the brain with fMRI.
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They did this on Star Trek Voyager. A criminal in transport was on the ship. The doctor looked at him and found defects in his brain. The doctor fixed the brain defects and then the prisoner suddenly could reflect on the wrongness of his crime and offered an apology. Those that were harmed by the criminal actions did not accept the apology.
This story of the future is the reverse of modern psychiatry, which drugs and changes a healthy brain into a damaged one.
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if Budda or Jesus were back, would they not have magical powers?
Psychiatry IS a religion. Worship and consume the magical medication that will make you magically “good” instead of “bad” . What kind of sinner are you? schizophrenic and/or bipolar ? There is a medicine for every type of sinner
If things are going badly they increase the drugs instead of reducing them. Maybe the drugs are making the patient worse? so reduce them? You want people to be smarter to see the error of their ways? Then you drug and inhibit their ability to think?
“I expect her to laugh, but instead the psychiatrist looks very serious.” never expect a shrink to laugh, they are trying to be heroes. saving people from themselves. drugging the present moment for fear of the future. the future never arrives, prophesy fulfilled.
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Who ever is paying with yellow metal/gold/money gets to make the rules.
Sins existed before psychiatry and have been renamed . Sins like sloth gluttony and so on , do exist and must be recognized for some kind of balance to occur.
Hearing voices. Voice of Pride, “I am all powerful!”(grandiosity) or taking pride in a job well done.
Too proud: In Dante’s Divine Comedy, the penitents were forced to walk with stone slabs bearing down on their backs to induce feelings of humility.
Voice of despair.”I have no power” and sadness versus accepting the things you can not change and feeling serenity.
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The researchers are insane and refuse to admit they are insane. Who is to tell them differently? Who has the power?
The next step in the case where someone is wrong , is a higher authority is supposed to judge what is going on, such as the police. But in this world there is no police , there is no higher authority.
Specifically “telling off the researcher” just makes more (false) scientific evidence . When people don’t participate (as can be expected) they remove them from the evidence base.
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When does a person become “autistic”, on a spectrum https://www.ted.com/talks/temple_grandin_the_world_needs_all_kinds_of_minds
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Researchers claim Autism is in the infant brain. https://www.mcgill.ca/neuro/channels/news/pinpointing-origins-autism-269888
Though they could be fudging the numbers, like they do in other “science” when they cherry pick numbers, or influence the outcome by removing unwanted material.
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Great article!
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Similar person, similar circumstance in Canada killed themselves in prison in order to escape the torture. She was guilty of throwing crab apples as far as I know , what her crime was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Smith_inquest
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bruce levine says a higher number https://youtu.be/d-NXULCzhAg?t=539
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The religion that isn’t a religion, psychiatry.
“The country is paying bundles on treating people who are not sick”
You are mistaken
The country is paying bundles on treating people who are made sick by drugs called medicines.
The last sin is lack of compassion wrote Szasz, won’t you help the people that are suffering with medicines(not drugs)? https://books.google.ca/books?id=2pduB22E43oC&lpg=PA3&ots=EQpUS8Md5L&dq=Szasz%20last%20sin%20lack%20of%20compassion&pg=PA3#v=onepage&q=Szasz%20last%20sin%20lack%20of%20compassion&f=false
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Children can not be mentally ill.
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“that’s what the staff told her to do”, forced worship? the religion that isn’t a religion because they say it is medicine.
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regarding “why he made such an abrupt change”.
I would say to keep his (and his relatives of similar) DNA to continuing living in spite of the plans for the master race. His sister is supposedly seriously mentally ill.
Psychiatric Genocide: Nazi Attempts to Eradicate Schizophrenia
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800142/
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A comic for Frank . This guy should just work harder to escape the hole! http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3444#comic
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Frank How do you differentiate between malingering and “illness”?
You apparently do not consider the treatment that I and others have had from psychiatry have damaged us. I was involuntary, others are voluntary to psychiatry, believing that the doctors heal people. Are both groups worthy of mercy and compassion?
To start the list of damages, in the scientific literature they do note the psychiatric drugs/chemicals/medicines have altered the brain. “You can’t fix stupid” is a well known saying, and I do not think the changes are beneficial.
Today plaintiffs can not easily prove the obvious damages from electroshock, and the documented brain shrinkage is not attributed to the medicines. https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/mad-in-america/201102/andreasen-drops-bombshell-antipsychotics-shrink-the-brain
Other people who have been unjustly imprisoned can get financial compensation for damages.
Tell me Frank do these people who spend years in prison, do they deserve compensation? or should they get back to work washing dishes in the local restaurant?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-the-wrongfully-convicted-are-compensated/
Frank you are arguing for taxpayers pocket are you not? the same taxpayers that finance and support the psychiatrists? Tell me Frank, who is going to stop the false science of psychiatry? ( as its pocket-book/finances are infinite).
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I have a diagnosis of serious mental illness and I do not take psychiatric medications. I do not know if the treatments I have received have made me worse or better, of if the chemicals/drugs/medicines have a permanent (negative) effect on my brain-body.
If magically I was declared healthy I would then have no income and shortly be homeless, so it is in my interest to keep the psychiatric diagnosis of SMI, until a universal basic income becomes standard.
From the article
He wrote “Ten Myths About Psychiatric Drugs.” this is the article https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/01/psychiatry-gone-astray/
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No more sins from the sinners?
Szasz
“Fifty years ago, the question “What is mental illness?” was of interest to physicians,
philosophers, sociologists as well as the general public. This is no longer the case. The
question has been settled by the holders of politic
al power: they have decreed that “mental illness is a disease like any other.” https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Szasz%20update.pdf
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I do appreciate the question of “effectiveness of these drugs”, questioning the science.
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Why is that guy yelling at strangers on the street?
“The Contest” was the 51st episode of the NBC sitcom, Seinfeld. The eleventh episode of the fourth season, it aired on November 18, 1992.[1] In the episode, George Costanza tells Jerry Seinfeld, Elaine Benes and Cosmo Kramer that his mother caught him unaware while he was masturbating. The conversation results in George, Jerry, Elaine and Kramer entering into a contest to determine who can go for the longest period of time without masturbating.
….
The contest affects their sleep, and the remaining contestants suffer insomnia, while only the people who were eliminated can sleep peacefully.
(Jerry and George. They’re bickering at each other due to the lack of sex)
GEORGE: All you got is instant coffee? Why don’t you get some real coffee?
JERRY: I don’t keep real coffee in here, I get my coffee on the outside! (Intercom buzzes. He answers it) Yeah?!
ELAINE: (Through intercom) It’s Elaine.
JERRY: (Shouting) Come on up! (Opens his door for Elaine)
GEORGE: Where did you get those socks?
JERRY: I don’t know.
GEORGE: I think those are my socks!
JERRY: How are these your socks?!
GEORGE: I don’t know, but those are my socks! I had a pair just like that with the blue stripe, and now I don’t have them anymore!
JERRY: (Sarcastic) Oh, yeah, that’s right, well, you fell asleep one day on the sofa and I took them off your stinkin’ feet. They looked so good to me, I just had to
have them!
GEORGE: Yeah, well, they’re my socks!
JERRY: They’re my socks!
(A brief moment passes as they look at each other)
GEORGE: Oh boy..
JERRY: What are we doing here..
GEORGE: ..Oh boy.
JERRY: This is ridiculous.
GEORGE: Do you believe this? We’re fighting. We’re fighting.
JERRY: I haven’t been myself lately. I’ve been snapping at everybody.
GEORGE: Me too. I’ve been yelling at strangers on the street.
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testosterone in the male over time http://www.mhhe.com/socscience/sex/common/ibank/ibank/0088.jpg
schizophrenia age of diagnosis, http://www.schizophrenia.com/photos/szage.onset.gif
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from the article “They joined the Nazi party at a far greater rate than any other profession”
They still are dictators like in the 1940’s, they believe the drugs renamed as medicine work for “mental illness”.
https://www.thedoctorstv.com/videos/can-a-pill-track-if-you-are-taking-your-meds
People who are in withdrawal will likely be illogical and unreasonable from their physical chemical imbalance, they the doctors created.
People who want drugs https://www.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/p/i-don-t-have-an-alcohol-problem-i-ve-got-plenty-of-alcohol/
I don’t want your drugs. If the drugs are medicine, explain to me how it is medicine, how do they work?
Otherwise the drugs are just an invisible rope and chains.
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The religion of pill worshipers have a lot of consumers of the object of worship, what a surprise. not.
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(Neurologist) “I’m on Zoloft (sertraline). I’ve taken it for 20 years. Don’t like that? Think that means I suck as a doctor? I don’t give a shit.”
http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.ca/2014/11/happy-pills.html
“I’ve been off my Lexapro for a month and it turns out that’s bad.”
http://apotential.wordpress.com/2014/09/20/you-could-cut-the-irony-with-a-knife/
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I would like to comment back in the days before science most mental illnesses were in fact physical illnesses such as syphilis.
Back in the days before science, they had no blood tests and no penicillin.
That era and today can not ever be compared from because there was no SCIENCE at that time.
People who went to hospital/asylums at the time and who recovered were known as addicts. Once free to resume their addiction many went back to their addiction.
This is not medicine but morals. Locking people up forced them to be moral or abstain from their addiction.
The author is also confused as to what a hospital is and what a prison is. If you can not leave the room you are in, that is a prison, not a hospital. Those in authority do call it a hospital as there is no one to oppose the statement.
“Why were these hospitals successful?” Who reports the success versus failure? The lobotomy was judged a success by those that gave the operation. and the new technique to control the “ill”, given a Nobel prize.
Locking people up does control them and does stop them from abusing drugs and alcohol and such things. You can call it medicine? Who is paying for the medicinal treatment of steel and concrete walls?
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Monkeys don’t like the cement cage they are in. no duh.
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There was a story on buttons that don’t work. https://www.cnn.com/style/article/placebo-buttons-design/index.html
“Doing something typically feels better than doing nothing.”
Where doing nothing is the correct thing medically if there is no chemical imbalance to start off with.
These fake doctors giving fake medicine and fake treatments, who holds them accountable?
A critic back in the year 2010 http://clinpsyc.blogspot.com/
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“vitamin D supplementation would seem to be no bad thing”
Emptying a bucket, while filling the bucket , is indeed a bad thing if someone is making a living from doing both actions, claiming to be a doctor and helping by adding and subtracting chemicals.
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No one can “feel suicidal”, as the title says, because suicide is a complex action. People can feel hungry and tired and hot and cold.
People can THINK of suicide as a solution to the despare or whatever discomfort/pain they are feeling.
The first step to beating “feeling suicidal” is to know it is not a feeling. There are actions you can take to change your feelings. If you feel too hot , you move to where it is cold. You feel too cold, you move to where it is warmer.
If you feel powerless you do something that makes you feel you have an effect on the/your environment. Thou Sisyphus’s rock always rolled down again.
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You do know how a human gets vitamin D don’t you? From the sun. If you are locked up in hospital/jail your levels will be lower , + the authority tells patient NOT to get into the sun for increased chance of sunburning when on psychiatric drugs.
“Photosensitivity associated with antipsychotics, antidepressants and anxiolytics.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8713693
“Vitamin D deficiency and inadequacy in a correctional population”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25837209
They got you coming and going.
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what? the medical record?
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It is an advertisement TAC
They are fighting over who gets to jail the prisoner. or Who gets the money to jail-control the prisoner.
From the article
” In 1955, state mental institutions had about 558,000 beds. There were 337 mental hospital beds per 100,000 people in the United States, according to a 2016 study by the Treatment Advocacy Center.
Far too few smaller community facilities opened to make up the difference. Today, there are roughly 12 beds per 100,000 people.”
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When I was first introduced into psychiatry in 1987 I also was deprived of water. Besides being tied to a bed. Besides being poisoned called medicine (by jailor-hospital worker) that made me incredibly thirsty.
Any expression of anger from the “help”was viewed as “sickness” and psychosis because they were giving medicine and help to the unfortunate “patient”.
So you get more poison-medicine from your prison guard- hospital worker.
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A lie from the start “Psychiatric drugs …are designed to make people feel better quickly.” There are different kinds of drugs.
The drugs (called medicine, called antipsychotics) are an invisible rope or straitjacket for those who are not obeying orders.
Not designed but accidentally found. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorpromazine#History
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“If a person reduces carefully ” carefully is subjective. I stopped the drugs suddenly with the knowledge it would be horrible.. The longer on the drugs the more brain shrinkage is occurring.
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So how many public failures do the proponents of DBS have?
Chantal Remeny
DBS operation in 2006 “Ms. Remeny, a 40-year-old physiotherapist from Toronto” https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-on-switch/article18161067/
2009, at the age of 43 , obituary https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?n=chantal-remeny&pid=125450309
Sheila Cook, age 62. Jan 2011
DBS operation (failure) to selective lobotomy https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8279576/British-woman-cured-of-deep-depression-by-pioneering-surgery.html
“It was at this time she was referred by her doctors to the University of Bristol who together with colleagues at Frenchay Hospital, were pioneering a new style of deep brain stimulation.
This worked for a month or two but soon the suicidal thoughts returned. “
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As long as you call it medication you are screwed.
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“get the staff upset ” Yes , the cognitive dissonance in the mind of the jailer who thinks himself/herself a hero.
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To ask the SMI to exercise while they are drugging them is like asking your prisoner that you put balls and chains (weights) to exercise. Those in control are just as insane as those that they say are insane.
You take the drugs? No?
Exercise (voluntary) helps anyone and everyone. “Better to wear out than rust out.”Jack LaLanne
To find no evidence of benefit for those that do exercise is bizarre.
I walk every day, without chains.
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Deep Brain stimulation on two anorexia women was in the wrong spot or wrong voltage, or wrong frequency, or wrong method of stimulus ( reactive vs continuous vs when by choice) .https://ca.news.yahoo.com/twin-sisters-debilitating-ocd-dead-apparent-suicide-pact-194855023.html
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Like in war , the only wining move is not to play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGNZnfKYnU
When young I tried suicide as the solution to my psychiatric diagnosis. Get out and away from psychiatry if you want to live.
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poisons to control people , right
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“Psychotic” can be a rational fear, if living in a bad neighborhood. When you can not afford to lose a dollar ( for food and rent), yes it makes you jumpy and paranoid.
Eric Coates just wrote
“There are even some people who consider the whole practice of modern biological psychiatry to be a form of political oppression. When your problems are blamed on your brain (PSYCHOTIC), for instance, rather than taking into account an abusive childhood or, say, living in poverty and a dangerous neighborhood, all of which might be caused (as there is more abuse in impoverished environments) by the lack of work opportunities or a decent wage that are not being supplied by the capitalist corporations that control nearly our whole economy — well, when you defocus from someone’s environment and experiences like that, and just blame their brain for their problems (which is what you are essentially doing when you persuade or force them to take chemicals rather than address the actual circumstances of their lives), you are, actually, engaging in a form of social and political oppression. By distracting from the real problems, which we could address if we wanted to — things like abuse, poverty, etc. — you are actually reinforcing the status quo. You are supporting a kind of system of abuse and a kind of system of social oppression, in other words.”
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The brain can heal, but the person needs religion to be able to forgive what was done to them and the drugging of millions of others. If a person doesn’t/can’t forgive, the person would likely feel or be angry much of the time.
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I am not astounded by the need for invisible chains, since corporal punishment (visible damage) is no longer accepted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment
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The second part to this article is “THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR PSYCHIATRY, DO THEY THINK IT IS MEDICINE? OR ARE THEY JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS?”
Hitler only had power because he had people behind him. Bad Psychiatrists have the support staff behind them.
After the second world war many of the people working for Nazi’s said the excuse “I was just following orders”. “They would shoot me next had I not complied”
But no one questions those workers that follow and enforce bad psychiatry.
Most notable psychiatry TORTURE since the second world war as Project MKUltra.
“Victims of alleged LSD brainwashing experiments in Montreal plan to file lawsuit”
Dr. Ewan Cameron, a former psychiatrist at McGill University’s Alan Memorial Institute, conducted CIA-funded experiments in the 1950s and 1960s involving sleeping drugs, electroshock therapy and the powerful hallucinogenic LSD to see if the brain could be reprogrammed.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/victims-of-alleged-lsd-brainwashing-experiments-in-montreal-plan-to-file-lawsuit-1.3938614
I wonder about all the nurses and hospital workers that went along with following doctors orders.
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” include medication use as a potential confounding factor”
They have the rule that all schizophrenics must be drugged/medicated so they can not find any to study.
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This “brain changes in response to experience”can not be true or else they would have to ban Male genital mutilation (MGM) of infants.
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Before chained up there has to be a trial, same with “hospitals”. Who is the accuser of madness? Maybe the king and queen are the mad ones? Preventive justice of imprisonment creates the problem that was prophesied.
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if it is a magnetic ECT, it looks harmless. no one has complained of memory loss , died from the heart going into Asystole no one went into a continuous seizure.
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Get that machine off of me! 1:24 in Happy Happy Joy Joy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyJibB4cwec
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They convert sins into medical illness, then they don’t want the sinner shunned? Go to page 3 for the medicalize morals https://books.google.ca/books?id=2pduB22E43oC&lpg=PP1&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false
Like making water not-wet.
Then we also have voluntary seekers of medical attention (1) and the IN-voluntary (2), the difference of the two types of “patients” is never spoken of because psychiatry is supposed to be a science.
Making a different language (insults the common man can not understand) to make it seem like science.
http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2009/10/fatness-of-ye-arse.html
Man: “M’lord, you have a fatness of ye arse.” [ The man is in a guillotine ] Header: Modern doctors: Doctor: “Mr. Prime Minister, you have acute steatopygia.”
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you are in the army!
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Again , it is who is in power who gets to define illness. If your loved one is using crack cocaine to excess, or alcohol to excess, and now computer/video games to excess you can hire a doctor to say they are ill. Does the person think they are ill? is part of the equation. What physical evidence of illness do you have? Does the person have an income? Does the person have their teeth? Too fat or too thin? too much sugar and salt in their diet…. whoops I went too far…
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kumininexile I am sorry you have difficulty reading the article and are so vain as to be able to post such a criticism as the first comment.
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Mark L. Ruffalo, LCSW July 1, 2018 at 5:02 am “people would still be dying of heart failure.”
No one dies from schizophrenia, if they did there would be pathology reports saying so.
“For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.” Thomas More
Everyone believes psychiatry’s lies of schizophrenia (Thomas More’s make thieves) and then psychiatry punishes ( you call help) the schizophrenic with drugs-chemicals, with societies blessing.
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Mark L. Ruffalo, LCSW June 30, 2018 at 10:43 am WROTE even the purest Szaszians would admit that there has been an abundance of research in the past few decades linking what is called “mental illness” with certain biological changes.
Researchers making lots of money. “A federal report calls for $4.5 billion in funding for brain research over the next 12 years”
Szasz thought people were moral beings with the ability to chose. Psychiatry transforms morals (sins) into medical problems.
Again , if the illness is physical in nature ( can be measured unbiased) , then it is no long mental, as in mental illness.
Szasz” The result of such discoveries is that the illness ceases to be a form of psychopathology and is classified and treated as a form of neuropathology. If all the conditions now called mental illnesses proved to be brain diseases, there would be no need for the notion of mental illness and the term would become devoid of meaning.”
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I would tell them you have to keep your thoughts secret unless you want to be jailed.
I remember when in hospital-jail, a co-patient woman was so upset she lost her privileges when she said (out-loud) that she was thinking suicidal. ” I am just expressing my feelings, what do you want me to do? Isn’t it healthy to talk about my feelings?”
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Don’t warn the schizophrenics.
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Do not forget the “antipsychotic”s.
The psychiatrists says the patient has anhedonia. They don’t feel pleasure.
This is after they medicated the patient with drugs designed to create dopamine problems in the brain.
After the persons/patient knows he/she is going to have a horrible life. You don’t feel happy with that knowledge? You don’t have hope? You don’t say…
Maybe the patient has the symptoms BECAUSE of the diagnosis and the drugs? No?
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It is a drug war. Use the correct drugs. We tell you what the correct drugs are. from the article ” people with mental conditions often self-medicate with drugs and alcohol, “
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When I was in school we were taught “Morals and Religion” educated mildly about all the different religions in the world. I hope they treat psychiatry as just another religion rather than a science.
People make choices rather than brain chemical imbalances make their choices for them.
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You wrote “…harms of medications? Yes. Should the decision be left up to the patient in distress? No.”
Wrong.
You can not prove what ever chemicals, are medications, they are just drugs. You would have to prove a physical aberration to justify applying a physical solution.
A piece of rope controls someone the same a chemical that stops someone from movement/action or thinking of action and movement.
Otherwise authority can lock people up and wait to see if they start to get better, or communicate better. Whats the problem in the first place?
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I was literally tortured by psychiatry at the age of 19 on my first breakdown,( now 50). I was given drugs/forced drugs that made me unspeakably thirsty and tied into a bed/gurney. No lawyer. No court. No one to appeal to , to get freedom.
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How do you make your money Sylvain?
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A twisting of justice.
“It is better ten innocent Persons should be found sick-guilty and “helped” (tortured by psychiatric drugs and psychiatric prison), than that one sick-guilty Person should escape.” says Psychiatry.
the original
Sir William Blackstone, who lived from 1723 to 1780, “It is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.”
Second Rosenhan Experiment
“Rosenhan used a well-known research and teaching hospital, whose staff had heard of the results of the initial study but claimed that similar errors could not be made at their institution. Rosenhan arranged with them that during a three-month period, one or more pseudopatients would attempt to gain admission and the staff would rate every incoming patient as to the likelihood they were an impostor. Out of 193 patients, 41 were considered to be impostors and a further 42 were considered suspect. In reality, Rosenhan had sent no pseudopatients.
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“Related Articles” is missing . Psychosis= antipsychotic given or forced.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/04/antipsychotic-induced-sexual-dysfunction-reported/
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/11/side-effects-stories-sexual-dysfunction/
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“Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven.“wrote English poet John Milton of the devil. Is this true?
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250,000 to 440,000 https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
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The problem is no other country is calling in USA’s trillion dollars loans/debts, so there is unlimited money to spend.
Supposed to cost $1000.00 a day in a hospital for all the people working and infrastructure.
Google gave me this story today
“…hundreds of children in the care of DCFS who are held each year inside psychiatric hospitals for weeks or months, even though they have been cleared to leave.” https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/06/kids-psychiatric-hospital-illinois/561572/
Cheaper to give a $1000.00 monthly cheque to people then to jail/hospitalize them at a cost of$1000 a day. With outpatient forced drugging of course.
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If the neuropsychiatrist is going to place electrodes in the brain, where is he/she to place them (without brain imaging)? https://www.mdedge.com/psychiatry/article/126694/anxiety-disorders/whats-next-deep-brain-stimulation-ocd
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It doesn’t matter what color your skin is. Too many officers are too angry.
I think the police have to be screened for their psychological likelihood to be too angry.
Pinkish looking colored skin deaths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sammy_Yatim
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/andreas-will-never-be-forgotten-chinnery-family-reflects-after-inquest-1.3487771
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left out the Drapetomania http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h3106t.html
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Everyone hears voices but lie and say they do not.
Voice of hunger. Voice of thirst. Voice of needing to use the toilet. Voice of too cold/ too hot.
Voice of gluttony. Voice of lust. Voice of anger. Voice of greed.
Vices people hear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
Virtues people hear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_virtues
You have the voice of compassion don’t you? Don’t you care for the children? The children need medicine for their mental illness don’t they? Making money selling drugs to the gullible.
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Greg wrote the “(medication)” . The drugs are not medication . There is no physical illness. The drugs are to subdue the person like a straitjacket would control them.
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If someone has the gold, someone has the cure/treatment. We would have to eliminate money as well.
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3 in 10 ? what? drop the zeros out of “a rate of around 30,000 per 100,000 people. “
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but that is Kitty’s only possible response, to like ECT. Can’t face the reasons for depression.
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Sounds like a treatment with better outcome possibilities than electroshock-seizures. Kitty Dukakis likes ECT.
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“…there are no more photos to be taken, the prison is chemical now.” a similar article https://www.magnumphotos.com/arts-culture/society-arts-culture/raymond-depardon-end-italys-asylums/
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Is the rat too thin or too fat? Is the rat sleeping and exercising ?
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Just before nine one one or nine eleven George Carlin asked for some excitement. He starts talking of it at 4 minutes 20 seconds in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKboodmEHTQ his dream of collapse is not happening.
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Visible horrors of Willowbrook took 20 years to end . The invisible horror of psychiatric drugs will not stop until the planet kick humans ass. More Floods, Fires, Famines and Pestilence.
The elderly in Nursing Homes have no voting power , no financial power etc etc.
“Revisiting the atrocities that once consumed the halls of Willowbrook State School in Staten Island – WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT”
Sen. Robert Kennedy toured the grounds in 1965. Afterward, he described the horror he’d witnessed.Kennedy referred to Willowbrook as a “snake pit”
By 1986, only 250 residents still lived there; by September 1987, the last patients left the facility.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/atrocities-consumed-halls-willowbrook-school-article-1.3030716
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“if that violence was drug free.” People can be drug free, but they just quit psychiatric drugs, so are in withdrawal. No one blames the withdrawal from the psychiatric drugs a causative factor in crimes done when psychotic. A famous case in Canada is a man named Vince Li who had had previous experience with psychiatry and their drugs. He could not distinguish reality from imagination and killed – decapitated a person with a knife . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean
The holy psychiatric drug can not do anything bad to a human beings brain and thoughts, when going on , or going off of them. Psychiatry is the worship of magical chemicals and all must worship their God.
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How about the criminals that prescribe/force the legal drugs “that contribute to a psychotic episode”? Shouldn’t they go to jail? They made the decision to make the “patient” take drugs.
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To measure damage you need a before electroshock testing, to gauge the after effects, and who does this pre testing? ( to show evidence of harm, it is against the interest of those making money from electroshock) The court is rigged in favour of the defendants.
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The alcohol crashed the car, it wasn’t my fault. I can’t use that excuse? But i can say alcohol saved my life?
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Regarding “Delusions”, I know who the delusional people are. The delusional are those that call a prison a hospital. The delusional think they are helping the “ill” who are being continually drugged (medicated).
No government or society should put people in prison BEFORE a crime has occurred.
That psychiatry has gotten away with, and continues to get away with calling drugs “medicine” is criminal.
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You want a direct answer?
3 breakdowns, why did you have breakdowns? too much stress in the rat race? you MUST make money.
depression yes many people have depression and need to find a treatment.
see psychiatrist , should/shouldn’t do? I don’t see that anywhere
take drug, whatever is working for you , you do it
psychologist help , who said it was wrong?
Valium use on a continual basis is bad for the physical brain , like any drug used on a continual basis.
Cocaine alcohol Valium are drugs, you can take them if you wish.
cause of depression, are you kidding me? depression has been around since the dawn of time.
Giving to the poor, or poorer than you, used to make people feel good, otherwise known as charity. Giving people what they want https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_(practice)
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comment at the article THAT IS A LIE
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Kim Murphy Upper Arlington, Ohio
Why would someone with depression stop taking antidepressants? Are they cured? Of course not.
Medications such as Zoloft, in short, regulate seratonin. A shortage of seratonin causes depression. If you’ve not magically started regulating your seratonin production and reuptake on your own, your mood is going to be precisely what it was when you were prescribed the medication, if it was appropriately prescribed to start.
We don’t expect diabetics to wean themselves from insulin. This is no different. Self-tweaking meds is irresponsible and harmful.
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They say the drug is a medicine. I could say cocaine is a medicine and I need a bit every day for my brain chemical imbalance.
They are justifying their drug use by believing and claiming it is science.
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This is about drugs, not medicines. People have the right to like or dislike a drug.
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One day they will be able to make a image of you naked , from your DNA. What will people do then? LOL
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From the article “depends on infinite growth on a finite planet”. maybe the point.
You wrote ” So many take the meds ” . They are not meds. So many take the DRUGS and end up lobotomized.
What are the other animals on the planet doing? Choking on plastic and radioactive poison.
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RE “why psychiatrist can’t oversee the consequences of their actions”
The psychiatrist believes themselves a HERO, saving the patient from the future. The psychiatrist also gets paid money.
RE”don’t want the pill because they are poison” The patient has to be smart enough to lie, which the drugs may prevent the ability to do so.
Rosenhan said the only thing he could say was ” i am sick and getting better”, as it was what his captors/jailers wanted to hear.
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The SECOND non-existent impostor experiment
For this experiment, Rosenhan used a well-known research and teaching hospital, whose staff had heard of the results of the initial study but claimed that similar errors could not be made at their institution.
Rosenhan arranged with them that during a three month period, one or more pseudopatients would attempt to gain admission and the staff would rate every incoming patient as to the likelihood they were an impostor.
Out of 193 patients, 41 were considered to be impostors and a further 42 were considered suspect. In reality, Rosenhan had sent no pseudopatients and all patients suspected as impostors by the hospital staff were ordinary patients.
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Ditto “The problem is, the drugs DO have adverse effects on the brain.” No one knows if or when the brain can heal from the drugs.
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Arguing about the best drug is like asking which type of chain work best to control the prisoner? Plastic, Aluminum, copper , steel?
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Great article and great effort to get the information out, that the psychiatric drugs can make people worse.
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Another factor, choice with the success VS failure statistics .
In politics you have an electoral map for each government representative. Depending on how you cut the map up, you can get vastly different results.
Gerrymandering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
In this study of first-episode psychiatry patients, the start of the population was “out of a pool of 1,606 first-episode patients” , then they kept cutting the successful outcomes down to support their point of view. Then called the manipulation science.
“28 patients who couldn’t be found or refused to be interviewed” Dead patients and if the “patient” does not participate, the researcher takes them out of the science, for not being in the army(following orders) or worshiping those that issue the treatments. This is obviously bias. Another example is http://www.progressnp.com/article/patients-experiences-attitudes-towards-ect/
“Sixty patients, who had completed at least one course of ECT during the study period, were identified, of which eight people were deceased (not related to ECT: either due to old age or physical ailments), 11 refused to take part, six could not be traced and five could not take part due to significant cognitive impairment. At the end, our final study sample constituted 30 patients.”
In genuine medicine, if the patient has cancer , the doctor has the real statistics on survivor rates. The doctor gives the patient the choice of going for a treatment for say a 50/50 odds of success.
But in psychiatry the “patient” is usually not given the choice in what ever the supposed ” science” they have to back up the efficacy of the drugs.
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“we don’t know enough yet. ”
Right, not
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Medical-device-regulators
VNS similar to DBS
“How safe is your medical device? Even regulators don’t really know”
Dennis Fegan had a Vagus Nerve Stimulator (VNS) implanted in 2000.
“…. by 2006, he was repeatedly collapsing and losing consciousness. In July of that year he ended up in an ER after his parents found him passed out in his home.
According to Lenzer, doctors discovered that the VNS wasn’t stopping Fegan’s seizures: it was stopping his heart.
Doctors deactivated his VNS, but Fegan was never able to sue the manufacturer, Cyberonics, because a U.S Supreme Court ruling prevents patients from taking device-makers to court over FDA-approved devices.”
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/whitecoat/how-safe-is-your-medical-device-even-regulators-don-t-really-know-1.4577995
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“They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you’re clever and they despise a fool
Till you’re so fucking crazy you can’t follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be”― John Lennon
As bad behaviours used to be choices and by that reasoning sins. If the public did not like a specific sinner they stoned them( threw rocks) at the person . Then about 2000 years ago Jesus taught forgiveness.
Today , as bad behaviours may be resulting from the psychiatric drugs affecting the mind (paradox of drugging the present moment to prevent a possible bad future), the confidence trick is perfect. You learn from your mistakes, you do not take a magical pill to correct them. It is inherit in mankind to make mistakes.
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benzo, as no such thing as psychotic molecule.
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The trick is to not upset the naturally – normal balance in the first place. Prove there is a disease first.
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RE” oil slick down the hill I’d been successfully climbing.”
How much is too much or too little? What impartial evidence do you have of disease? Like photographic proof?
You can’t put too much gas on a fire.
Yo can’t put too much cheese in a sandwich.
You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JrIYR8jArk
You can’t give too much medication/drugs to a patient.
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RE: Rename it “therapy”
Yes that is happening here. Where the precrime of psychiatric drugging and jail-hospital and freedom of thought collide.
Is it religion or is it mental illness?
(spoiler: he performed criminal actions)
Staff and a psychiatrist at l’Éclusier talked about his case. They decided Couture-Rouleau did not need to see a psychiatrist because the 24-year-old refused to believe he was sick. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/family-of-slain-quebec-soldier-condemns-incompetence-of-mental-health-workers-who-saw-killer-before-attack-1.4185158
In his report, Coroner André-H. Dandavino highlighted how Couture-Rouleau’s father tried in vain to get treatment for his 25-year-old son as he descended into mental illness. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/martin-couture-rouleau-psychiatrists-respond-1.4118498
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You can’t see the paradox in your writing can you? If you are not sick you can not seek help(so you must be sick), you can not get attention you want ( who is paying?) Nightmares come from the unconscious mind , not a medical-physical illness, nightmare come froma fear or a guilty conscious that needs to be confronted, not drugged away.
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RE”How to make psychiatry illegal”
The only way a psychiatrist can torture someone is if the psychiatrist has them in a prison, otherwise the person who does not like the “treatment” would run away.
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“Is it to keep them quiet? Is it to keep them compliant? Is it a doctor who doesn’t know better? I think it is all of these reasons.’’
“Doesn’t know better?” To force or give so much drugs to some one to cause them to die is murder.
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Shrinks can not prescribe any “medicine” then if they can not participate in torture.
Why the anesthesia before electroshock? Could the seizure and electricity be harmful to the body?
and anyone remember this
Treatment at Ontario mental health facility was ‘torture,’ judge rules
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/06/08/treatment-at-ontario-mental-health-facility-was-torture-judge-rules.html
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Trying to sell more drugs or trying to sell less drugs?
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I love the camel cartoon with the multiple factors weighing down!
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Regarding ““Less Psychiatry Means Less Shootings.”
In the article ” He was regularly taking medication for A.D.H.D. ”
What would they do for his ADHD without medication? Would he be responsible for his inattention? Could a doctor say ” No that’s not a medical issue, sorry” No the doctors would not, the doctors HAVE to treat their patients complaint.
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As long as the public believes the psychiatric drugs are medicine , everything will continue. In God we trust. In drugs we trust.
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Vince Li was probably made crazy by psychiatry before the crime. “The psychiatrist Stanley Yaren, who later examined Li, said Li was hospitalized in 2003 or 2004” crime date July 30, 2008.
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RE:abolishing psychiatry: you cant abolish a religion. People willingly follow the religion of psychiatry for fear of themselves, their possible future actions. Removing psychiatry from the law is possible. No more insanity defenses.
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Withdrawing from benzos I have had panic attacks.
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How do you explain a first severe panic attack . A bad experience in the past No.1 , No.2 not enough gradual increase in training difficulty.
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“….You must believe you are mentally ill or we can’t help you.” http://www.successfulschizophrenia.org/articles/dblbinds.html
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Bible , because psychiatry IS a religion. You must believe the drugs are medicine , and that you need medicine. There are no psychotic molecules, virus or bacteria for an antipsychotic to affect.
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The science they claim is falsified. No https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=VIIQVll7DYY
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De-mystify psychiatry?, never mind the man behind the curtain. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xHaJKKugoqw/maxresdefault.jpg
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another image of the vampire in mirror https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/entertainment-count_dracula-vain-mirror-entertainment-entertainers-amc0079_low.jpg
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Like a vampire, so vain they can not see themselves in a mirror.
https://www.cartoonstock.com/cartoonview.asp?catref=mcan1657
The numbers of mentally ill conflict with the idea the psych drugs are working.”from 1987 to 2007, the number of adults on federal disability due to mental illness rose from 1.25 million to 4 million, begging this question: Could our drug-based paradigm of care be fueling this epidemic?” https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mad-in-america/201102/disability-in-the-age-prozac
Those working for psychiatry will also have an inability to see the problem due to Cognitive dissonance. They say things like brain damage from psychiatric treatment is a GOOD thing for the patient.
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“Needless annual heart tests” the amount of finding disease VS no disease has to be weighed. If it is you as the 1 in 1000 that is helped you do not think the test was needless.
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Yes, Metallica a cure for depression. Get angry!
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They got you either way. You don’t hear voices=you are an unfeeling sociopath /psychopath who is overconfident ( no imagination for empathy of others feelings), you do hear voices = you have some kind of mental illness that makes you dangerous, what if he/she listens to the voices?
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A prescription for heavy metal ha ha ha. I love it! I was into Metal music when I was younger.
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I loved the article.
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With the success of deep brain implants for depression they want to try other illnesses.
“From December 2014, seven patients (57 percent women) underwent surgery (in four cases the target was the nucleus accumbens and in three the subgenual area). The most remarkable changes included a progressive improvement in all patients of the social isolation type symptoms and auditory hallucinations. Two patients were dropped off the randomization phase because they presented a noticeable worsening of the symptoms when the generator was switched off. One patient presented complications related to the surgery. The study is currently under analysis and collection of patient outcomes and will be finished in 2017 after one more case is recruited. “
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the Simpsons clip has an image nearly identical to the cover photo of the depressed teen.
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Was there a trial to weight the evidence of a crime? Then you get a punishment. In psychiatry jail/treatment if you get a trial the court takes the psychiatrist opinion as fact. The mentally ill don’t get a lawyer because they say it isn’t a prison, it is medicinal treatment. The prisoners/patients are receiving medicinal treatment.
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The Simpsons Bart: Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWHoMyn0fXY
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That’s some really bad news. “Brain plasticity” was saying people can get better or recover back to their previous self.
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Julia wrote “become a waste of time to read or comment on articles here” It is as if flies , butterflies, and grasshoppers are caught in a spiders web and are complaining about the web. To break free of the web is most wanted. Some want to transform into a spider like the one that caught them. Some assist the spiders in catching and keeping the various life forms in subservience to the spider.
You know what all the other living creatures are doing on the planet are doing? They are having offspring. Ducks are making baby ducks, geese making baby geese, beaver making baby beaver etc. Who is having offspring?
Psychiatry is a slow motion “euthanasia” instead of a fast and quick death.
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Regarding “it is ridiculous to say that the Nazis would not have exterminated Jews without psychiatry.”
You will have to tell several authors who think differently.
Alessandra Colaianni,” A long shadow: Nazi doctors, moral vulnerability and contemporary medical culture”
http://jme.bmj.com/content/38/7/435.full
“No one wanted to admit to what extent they profited under the system and how none of this could have happened without the direct complicity of the German medical establishment,” Dr. Pross said in a telephone interview. http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/10/technology/exhibition-examines-scientists-complicity-in-nazi-era-atrocities.html?pagewanted=all
Rael D. Strous, M.D. “Psychiatric euthanasia institutions served as training centers for the Schutzstaffel (SS) who used the experience to construct larger killing centers (Auschwitz, Treblinka, etc.). The psychiatrist Dr. Imfried Eberl, Treblinka’s first commandant and the only physician to command a death camp, established the facility following his experience as superintendent of Brandenburg Psychiatry Hospital (2).” https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.163.1.27
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You will commit a crime! So we must help you before you do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta1HBizg0Yk&feature=youtu.be&t=1m36s
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The death of psychiatry starts with number 4 on the list.
4. State laws would be changed to eliminate all references to psychiatrists or their current legally defined functions.
All court cases would be judged on facts that have happened first, not the reason WHY they (what crime? ) happened first.
No one should be sentenced BEFORE they commit their crime they will do in the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEVQ2oOOofE
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“He is just selling a book” the elite stand on a pyramid of power, so the base (that supports false science) must be removed . As the wizards/doctors fight amongst themselves, where do they get their power from? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Capitalist_System
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“The United States invests a sizable amount of money on treatments for mental health and substance abuse: $135 billion in 2005, or 1.07 percent of the gross domestic product.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21289350
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“if you’re only whispering, you’re not an ally.”
If you are only whispering, you are smart enough to know who has the power and the money.
Money
$18 Billion dollars a year in antipsychotics. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/health/a-call-for-caution-in-the-use-of-antipsychotic-drugs.html
$11 Billion dollars a year in antidepressants. http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/06/prescribing.aspx
$10 Billion dollars a year in stimulant drugs. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/health/the-selling-of-attention-deficit-disorder.html?pagewanted=all
“In the 1970’s it was barely a 1 Billion dollar market.” https://books.google.ca/books?id=2DFLI2ib-1oC&lpg=PA43&ots=HEQREreIFM&dq=sales%20of%20tranquilizer%20drugs&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q=sales%20of%20tranquilizer%20drugs&f=false
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Thank you Dr Breggin for the article.
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This was on “the doctors” TV show today. As these doctors believe in the lie , that the psych drugs are in fact medicine, they are behind the tracking pill and support its use in the mentally ill. https://www.thedoctorstv.com/videos/can-a-pill-track-if-you-are-taking-your-meds
How do we psychiatric survivors speak-respond to such brain washing?
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They have a religious zeal for “medication adherence”. What if it is not medication the doctor is prescribing?
“positive outcomes”? Schizophrenia Positive Symptoms
Positive symptoms in schizophrenia refer to an excess or distortion or normal function. Positive symptoms are the ones most typically associated with schizophrenia or psychosis.
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From the article “I didn’t know who to turn to.”
What religion to turn to? The “Hare Krishna movement” or the religion of magical chemicals ( chem. lobotomies)?
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Thank you for your efforts at introducing science to psychiatry.
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My favorite drug. Any adult should not have to get a prescription from a doctor, like the drug alcohol.
But no one can grow this or brew this drug on their property, so those that manufacture it can control it.
War on Drugs vs The Medical Monopolization of Drugs – Psychiatrist Thomas Szasz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6spu2-Pwxc
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In adolescence , in males there is a 30 times increase of testosterone. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25151053
Like all animals that compete for females to have offspring, the male is supposed to show how smart, strong or skilled they are with this increase.
If the King(father) and Queen(mother) believe the (lies of the) quacks they will drug their child into following orders with horrible results.
Can’t overtly physically punish the children for wrong behavior, we have to invisibly punish with drugs (drugs called medicine).
http://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-children-now-take-far-more-mood-altering-drugs
253 prescriptions filled for every 1,000 youth under 18.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/mental-health-services-youth-1.4466903
In 2017, CHEO experienced a jump of 69 per cent in the number of young people needing mental health services, according to Pajer. The actual numbers will soon be released in CHEO’s year-end update.
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That is great!
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Seconded. stop calling the drugs ” medicine”.
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Unless they want to come to a consensus on which chains are best for the dog. Are aluminum chains better or steel chains better for the dog?
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If the drug dealer is not selling his drugs to persons A, B, and C , what is his incentive to find and report on the A, B, and C persons? The drug dealer has persons D to Z to sell his drugs to.
If the drug dealer finds people are not enjoying his drugs he will be disheartened and sad.
It is a conflict of interest to find out how people/patients recover, when you are selling drugs(medications for mental illness) for life.
“empower patients” this is a lie. The whole point of the drugs is to dis-empower the patient, to make the person compliant and malleable. They are selling a religion of magical chemicals and do not want to find out the truth, that there are no brain chemical imbalances for drugs to correct.
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Sorry Dr. Scott Shannon, another critical comment, as mostly the angry will be motivated to respond, not the happy.
If everyone (adult) is a willing participant in a MDMA treatment, caveat emptor, obviously that is fine.
However , Psychiatry is known to jail people and force them against their will to be treated. Though forced MDMA would likely be better for a persons brain function and memories than a session of ten or so Electroshocks prescribed-forced on the severely saddened.
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You write ” a chemical molecule will finally bury the chemical imbalance theory” and “we have growing evidence that antipsychotic medication damages the frontal lobes of the brain”
Without the chemical imbalance theory for schizophrenia the psychiatrist has no justification for “medicating”(poisoning) their ill patients with antipsychotics, so psychiatry can not bury the imbalance theory.
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There is no police force, no internal affairs for psychiatry.
With no body of oversight to enforce rules , like the Nuremberg code “Required is the voluntary, well-informed, understanding consent of the human subject in a full legal capacity.” what person has ever been charged? Psychiatry will do whatever it wants as it answers to no one.
Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman broke the Nuremberg code and no one charges him, just like when Bernard Madoff was allowed to continue his scheme with Harry Markopolos’s criticism. http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1877181,00.html
From Wikipedia article on Lieberman.
“Methylphenidate challenge as a predictor of relapse in schizophrenia.” Authors Jeffrey Lieberman, Kane JM, Gadaleta D, Brenner R, Lesser MS, Kinon B. Am J Psychiatry. 1984 May,141(5):633-8
“Prediction of relapse in schizophrenia.” Authors Jeffrey Lieberman,Kane JM, Sarantakos S, Gadaleta D, Woerner M, Alvir J, Ramos-Lorenzi J. Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1987 Jul 44(7):597-603
“Behavioral response to methylphenidate and treatment outcome in first episode schizophrenia”. Authors Jody D, Jeffrey Lieberman, Geisler S, Szymanski S, Alvir JM. Psychopharmacol Bull. 1990;26(2):224-30
Mood responses of remitted schizophrenics to methylphenidate infusion”]. Authors Robinson D, Mayerhoff D, Alvir J, Cooper T, Jeffrey Lieberman. Psychopharmacology 1991;105(2):247-52
“Methylphenidate response, psychopathology and tardive dyskinesia as predictors of relapse in schizophrenia.”Authors Jeffrey Lieberman,Alvir J, Geisler S, Ramos-Lorenzi J, Woerner M, Novacenko H, Cooper T, Kane JM. Neuropsychopharmacology. 1994 Oct,11
The behavioral effect of m-chlorophenylpiperazine (mCPP) and methylphenidate in first-episode schizophrenia and normal controls.” Authors Koreen , Jeffrey Lieberman, Alvir J, Chakos M. Neuropsychopharmacology. 1997 Jan;16(1):61-8
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Regarding cause of death, they cook the books to start with, to cover their asses. Like few police would bust/accuse a fellow officer of crime, few doctors bust other doctors. https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
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No way will schizophrenics make past 65 years old with the 20 year average shorter life span. I hope to make it to 60 years old at best/ most optimistic.
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And the global map is screwy because north of the Canadian-American border there are fewer cities and fewer people which would make “psychosis” zero persons per square mile.
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They are making money, which is what it is all about.
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“psychosis,” as defined by the ICD-10 diagnostic criteria,
I wish there was a real test for psychosis.
George Carlin said he was angry , the rich and the elite call the poor persons anger “psychosis” for not accepting the shick they are forced to eat, smell and handle. Not following orders? you are psychotic.
Higher the human density, the higher the rate of anger? You are driving me crazy!
“The owners of this country don’t want that. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed well educated people capable of critical thinking. That doesn’t help them. What they want are “Obedient Workers” People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paper work and just dumb enough to passively accept the low paying chitter jobs with the reduced pension and reduced benefits.” ADULT LANGUAGE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RhIxxvYtRE
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Regarding “I knew a man in a group home who kept yelling at his voices, “F___ you, XXXXs!”
The question you have to ask is “Was he like this before psychiatry, before psychiatric drugs had affected his brain?” more and more drugs is not the solution.
From living in the noisy city I too can yell “F___ you, XXXXs!” but if I am in the silence and serenity of land that is outside the city I feel much better.
If I had a disease like cancer that was aggravated and stimulated to grow when living in the city , doctors would recommend leaving the city. But in psychiatry the living situation (environment) of the “patient” is ignored.
What is aggravating and stimulating some ones “mental illness”? I would say noise pollution of the industrialized city.
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Excellent article everyone should print out and keep with them for times of confrontation.
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A new study on the effects on the patients thoughts and feelings. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21507740.2017.1320319
Patient 09 stated: “I felt I was 15 years younger after the operation … I felt so strong and confident … I could do anything … I felt so good I tried to move the pool table and I ruptured the disc in my back … I blame DBS for that because I felt so good, I did something that I couldn’t have done when I was 21 and I don’t know why I thought I could do it when I was 54 … I was in a wheel chair for 2 months.”
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I am sorry you lost your daughter. The distinction between drug and medicine(medication) must be known.
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I don’t know what this comment is doing here Fiachra. There needs to be more of an explanation.
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“as I said before, I would probably be dead years ago.”
Whose hand would have done it?
“In psychiatry, however, one set of rules is used to explain sane behavior and another set of rules is used to explain insane behavior: sane behavior is attributed to reasons (choices), insane behavior to causes (diseases).” http://www.academyanalyticarts.org/szasz-mental-illness
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Medicine is for legitimate disease. You take a drug that damages the higher brain functions, where a persons subconscious mind lives. Bad thoughts and bad feelings used to be attributed to sins, as in the choice to think bad thoughts of suicide. If you don’t control your thoughts who does?
You obviously have never experienced torture from mental health professionals, like I have for the fictional illness of “schizophrenia”.
Have you been tied to a gurney? Been poisoned to feel an insatiable thirst, then been denied water for your third? Jailed without trial on the presumption of guilt of future crime?
schizophrenia is an iatrogenic illness. I am a perfect example of it.
Brainwashing is what happens when they first hospitalize/jail the mentally ill patient, for the several months of ” treatment”.
When given the stigma of a “serious mental illness” hope is lost. With no hope the person does not look after themselves for a potential mate ( wife/husband) and the psychiatric drugs make and keep the ” patient” stupid. Stupid enough to follow orders.
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Thank you for writing “It is misleading and damaging to have patients believe that something is genetically wrong with their brains. “
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What is it about? Evolving a race of sociopaths http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2009-10-23
By 2050, there will be more plastic than fish in the world’s oceans, study says https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/20/by-2050-there-will-be-more-plastic-than-fish-in-the-worlds-oceans-study-says/
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” psychiatric medications adversely affect one or more of the three phases of normal sexual response: desire, arousal, and orgasm.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20668442
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I don’t know if you remember the Nazi’s.
The cost and the time to stop your enemy from reproduction.
“Radiation
The usual surgical methods, according to Brack, were “out of the question because it takes too long and is too expensive.” But Brack had a preferred suggestion for performing the sterilizations using “castration by X-rays.” For obvious reasons, Himmler had a preference for sterilization methods that would be least apparent to the victims. http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2017/ph241/payzer2/
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Q “How long will it take ?” When they admit the psychiatric drugs are not medicine, which is never.
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“All participants with schizophrenia were currently prescribed psychiatric medication”, no schizophrenic patients undrugged?
Those in authority call the drugs medicine, then the patients can not be deprived of a medicine. My third reference at the bottom of this comment “Ho acknowledges that his study is marred by the lack of a placebo control group — for ethical reasons, patients cannot be deprived of the medications they need”
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“Many large studies comparing participants with schizophrenia to control subjects have confirmed significant neurocognitive deficits, with individuals diagnosed with schizophrenia performing about one standard deviation below the norm.”
All the schizophrenics must be geniuses because of only a one point drop in IQ from the psychiatric drugs.
1) Using Imaging to Look at Changes in the Brain. The big finding is that people with schizophrenia are losing brain tissue at a more rapid rate than healthy people of comparable age. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/health/research/16conv.html
2) “”I looked at this test and I couldn’t have filled it in to save my life. It would have been easier to climb Mt Everest.” http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10565099
3) Antipsychotic drugs could shrink patients’ brains. the(brain) reduction is greatest in patients who stay on the drugs the longest . http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
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Trying to force people to respond the “correct” way, instead of reasoning with people and asking what they think. Since 1946 trying to force the brain. http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3181/00379727-63-15650
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“the public has a right to be safe.” Yes , if a person is a proven criminal perhaps the current sentencing time is too short?
Otherwise society should not put people in jail BEFORE they commit their crime.
society should not put people on drugs (called medicine) BEFORE they commit their crime, as the drugs usually increase the odds of crime occurring. The drugs damage the brain, they do not “help” it.
As the people believe the drugs are medicine and not drugs, I think more medicine will be prescribed or forcefully issued.
Only when everyone knows psychiatry prescribes drugs, not medicines, might some kind of sanity occur.
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https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/uc-scientists-awarded-more-9-million-federal-brain-initiative
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Math joke.
A mathematician is taking his written exam to become a firefighter.
The second to last question is: you come to a burning building, what do you do?
Put the fire out, he answers.
The last question is,”You come to a building you’ve been called to, but it’s not on fire, what do you do?”
Set it on fire, he answers.
Later, the examiner calls him in to ask about that last answer. Why would you set it on fire?
Because, says the mathematician, then it’s reduced to a problem I know how to solve.
I think you are smart enough to carry the analogy over to psychiatry and a patient they have to treat.
Setting the building/patient on fire/ forcing drugs on them ( a physically healthy person), because then the situation is reduced to a problem they have been trained to solve.
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otherwise
Tyrants never give up their power voluntarily.
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From a book of the year 2010 on the seizure in electroshock.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=mdZgigRi2OUC&lpg=PA184&ots=qtgst9-i_I&dq=electroconvulsive%20therapy%20how%20to%20tell%20seizure%20occured&pg=PA184#v=onepage&q=electroconvulsive%20therapy%20how%20to%20tell%20seizure%20occured&f=false
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I will just state the violation of someones mind-brain with involuntary electroshock is wrong.
Supposed doctors induce a seizure on the brain.
Voluntary VS involuntary electroshock patient is the critical point here, as patients did seek “paroxysms” .
From 1953 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13179226
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/paeb9k/doctors-created-vibrators-after-growing-tired-of-masturbating-hysterical-women.
Today they directly “stimulate” the brain with electricity (instead of stimulating the genitals, nerves in genitals give sensation to the brain) , and then the “medicinal” treatment can be applied to both male and female “patients” in the guise of science.
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The foundation is that people believe the psychiatric drugs are medicine, and they do. Bad behaviour is not a choice but something to be “corrected” by magical chemicals.
Who ever has the gold/money makes the rules. If you have a source of gold/money from providing a service, both the provider and the person/company paying want the deal to continue.
If you are not causing trouble then those in authority will/would have no reason to force a court ordered depot injection or use these new smart pills that tell if the criminal-who-isnt-acriminal has consumed them.
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In the big picture of humans on the planet.
Once women have the knowledge and access to inexpensive birth control they tend not to have children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate#United_States
In Canada , my country, we have a 1.6 rate birth rate , where we would need a number closer 2 to equal out births and deaths . https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2014002-eng.htm
As psychiatry has successfully converted the act of sinning ( all humans are imperfect/ make mistakes/ basically animals: as in: we need to breath, eat, and sleep like any animal) into psychiatric disease, psychiatry will never run out of new clients to treat.
IMO the only solution to forced drugging is that psychiatry has to be exposed as a religion. There are no brain chemical imbalances . There is no psychotic molecule, virus or bacteria for an antipsychotic to affect.
It is all about following orders from those who have the gold/money.
Make them prove you are not following orders.
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Psychiatry’s diagnostic criteria is the same as religions diagnostic criteria, where religion has vices and virtues defined. Psychiatry sells drugs for its judgements of disease, in religion the sinner/patient might give money to the church to try to find forgiveness/atonement.
Psychiatry writes your sins down on paper never to be forgotten, while in religion it is up to the individual to remember or not remember their failings . Patients have to make a request for their psychiatry files, not given information, they have to figure out what is “wrong” on their own while the “doctor” watches and laughs.
That 70’s Show – Eric and Donna’s Revenge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlCddXffeo
Transcript.
Eric and Donna are still in the basement
KELSO (coming down the stairs): Okay, you guys. That was a wicked burn. It had all the elements: You didn’t see it coming, parts of it really hurt…
ERIC: Well, Kelso, I’m glad you enjoyed it.
KELSO: Oh, I did (2:34 EATS ANOTHER DRUGGED BROWNIE) I got my eye on you two. You’re not gonna burn me like that again.
DONNA: I love our friends.
ERIC: Me too.
The character Kelso at the end of this is the average patient on psychiatric drugs. The doctor keeps prescribing the drugs and laughing.
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“…a family member or friend has a more “objective” understanding of the effects of psychotropic drugs.” they (family/friend) don’t have to take the drugs/ do not know the effects of the drugs, so would rather have the angry person drugged.
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Silicon Valley is engineering your phone, apps and social media to get you hooked,
Anderson Cooper: Is Silicon Valley programming apps or are they programming people?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brain-hacking-tech-insiders-60-minutes/
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Psychiatrists like to call people paranoid, when in fact people can be out to get your money (if you have any). Myself I carry a camera when ever in public, If someone starts messing with you , you can take still photos or a video. These photos or videos are for your own peace of mind . To know what you experience was real or not.
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The drugs are not medication.
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Thank you for continuing the debate on the efficacy of the psychiatric drug “antipsychotics”.
Myself I was tortured by psychiatry on my first admission to psychiatry with the use of “antipsychotics”. I endured the sensation of extreme thirst and did not have access to water or a bathroom. I was tied to a bed/gurney.
Today thirty years later , I do not take psychiatric drugs and I am relatively stable . “Stable” meaning out of psychiatric hospital for several years. The relapses in “mental health” I have had , have reasons , not brain chemical imbalances ( to be corrected by a magical chemical-antipsychotic).
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If there is nothing physically wrong, then there is nothing physical to give or to force onto someone.
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Myself , as a supposed schizophrenic, I enjoy the information of that biological psychiatry’s days are numbered at time index 17:08 of the audio.
Another highlight for me is at time 19:16 the ideas of Thomas Szasz is mentioned. If they find proof in the genes then its neurological disease not mental illness.
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yes i second stay away. and yes secretly taper or go cold turkey as others beliefs of relapse/belief in false Gods ( the magical holy molecules of science that can only do GOOD) can influence you the “patient”. Pretend everything is normal and fine until it becomes true.
A large part of human interaction is subconscious, visual and vocal aspects. If you think fearful, your face will show fearful and the person observing will be affected. Same goes with anger, if you feel angry your face will show it and people will respond to it.
There is a chance of relapse but as long as I monitor myself, my stability and take action if something is wrong, there is no need to drug the present moment in time out of fear of a possible bad future.
Taking drugs continually came from the discovery and application of penicillin.
“The best available treatment, sulpha drugs, had been administered to little effect. His left eye became infected and was removed on Feb. 3, 1941. The infection then spread to his lungs and shoulder. He was in great pain, with his scalp, face, arms and eye suppurating. Heatley’s diary puts it starkly: he was “oozing pus everywhere.”
On Feb. 12, 1941, he was given 200 milligrams of penicillin intravenously – the largest dose yet – followed by 100 mg every three hours for a total of four injections. Within 24 hours there was dramatic improvement. After a further four injections, his temperature was normal and his appetite returned. He was on the way to recovery. Tragically, the supply of penicillin was exhausted. Ten days later, Const. Alexander began a slow decline, which ended in his death from septicemia three weeks later.
The lessons, for those who watched helplessly, were clear. Continue treatment until the infection is eliminated. Accumulate enough penicillin so that you can do so.” https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2007/05/06/penicillins_discovery.html
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REM sleep is affected by “antipsychotics”.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18840034
People with a hammer justifying their use of a hammer.
My worst nightmare is being in the prison-that-isnt-a-prison called a hospital. and in prison they don’t or cant force you to take poison for a figurative illness.
Maybe nightmares of previous “treatment” and possible future “treatment” are keeping people from sleeping well.
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Teaching that genes cause ‘mental illness’
you first make thieves and then punish them.
For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.
Sir Thomas More, Utopia, Book 1
English author, courtier, humanist, & saint (1478 – 1535)
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no profit in it to drug manufacturers to fund such a study.
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I love your work Jay Joseph.
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There are no studies that prove antipsychotic-neurolyptics are better than Benzodiazepines’s for “crisis”.
I remember the torture.
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“…we don’t research drugs for mental illness anymore.”
Psychiatry would have to get its story (lies) straight.
Applying a physical treatment for a non-physical illness is crazy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_psychiatry#Criticism
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No one knows you have a SMI label, so pretend you do not, unless in court under oath.
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http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19300324,00.html
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If you believe in something, it can come true. The nocebo effect is when you believe you are ill from an authority telling you , “You are ill”.
You can see, type and write intelligently, so therefore you are intelligent. Do not not let worry affect your logical mind of reason. Stay physically active, as in get out of the apartment/house every day. If you appear to to functional and stable, you ARE functional and stable. One day at a time I declare victory.
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In the report its written “The suicide rate in schizophrenia between 1875 and 1924” D. HEALY, M. HARRIS, R. TRANTER, P. GUTTING, R. AUSTIN, G. JONES-EDWARDS, A. P. ROBERTS
The British Journal of Psychiatry Feb 2006, 188 (3) 223-228; DOI: 10.1192/bjp.188.3.223
In the time before medical science had microscopes and the four blood types identified, I expect at least half of the mentally ill of that time had physical diseases affecting the mind/brain/feelings/thoughts ( as a reason for their misbehavior).
“…by June 1918, Bruce Robertson (19) had observed three cases of fatal hemoglobinuria in 100 transfusions. Later in the war, preliminary blood grouping became the rule, but, when there were no facilities for laboratory work, his suggestion of a test injection was generally used, particularly in emergencies. If no symptoms occurred within 1 or 2 minutes after the injection of 15 to 20 cc. of donor blood, it was thought safe to proceed with the transfusion.”
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How many SMI seriously mentally ill have children? No one talks of this.
That IS what animals do. Eat food , and reproduce.
With the label and psychiatric drugs the person can not find employment and does not have a reason to work without a family.
It IS a jungle out there and almost everyone is working for their own interests.
The most surprising is when your own family wants you drugged out the the fear of the unknown future/fear of mental illness. The King and Queen want to stay in power and will do anything to keep it.
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It is like locking people with chains and heavy balls then complaining the person-patient can’t run and jump, when they the “DOCTOR” have applied the restraints.
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Before psychiatric drugs-medication I was a reader of books. I have a fair sized collection of books from that time. Today I don’t read ( I find the world too noisy) and I wonder if the drugs affected my brain.
A reading test is one that no animal study can duplicate.
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Do they test for lead? “Children suffer from lead poisoning in 3,000 U.S. neighborhoods” https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lead-poisoning-children-neighborhoods-us-flint-michigan/
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Are you following orders? Good. Then you do not get “keeping people against their will in jailswards which are often unpleasant and sometimes frightening, and where often the only help on offer is drugsmedication “.
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Electroshock IS evidence based. In the evidence they remove anyone who does not like the treatment, was injured by the treatment or was killed by the treatment. Then they can call it a success.
By their own statistics 16 (11+5) out of 60 have a terrible experience with electroshock. “11 refused to take part” + “five could not take part due to significant cognitive impairment” http://www.progressnp.com/article/patients-experiences-attitudes-towards-ect/
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Great work!
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I am not against suing companies for damages, just saying even if money is recovered, money can’t fix it.
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maybe those in power DO know it is a scam. putting people in jail before they do crime(psychiatry) and after they do crime. All the white collar jobs and paper pushers are employed, and the people subjugated.
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Can not solve, as in once some one knows the power of the drug, they can not forget it.
Philip Seymour Hoffman: Oscar for Capote at the 78th Academy Awards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Seymour_Hoffman#Death_and_legacy
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Money can not solve the problem, just like if-when we humans destroy the ecosystem of the planet. Temperature extremes being so severe that life can’t exist, or we humans can’t grow food cheaply any more.
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I like evidence based medicine as the proof is in the outcome. When we had Lobotomies the proof was in the outcomes. How the promoters of Lobotomies got the Nobel prize I don’t know.
“Moniz reported that the patient seemed less anxious and paranoid afterwards, and pronounced the operation a success. ”
What about the patient? What did they think of the operation? Can they form the words or the thoughts necessary to complain?
If the evidence is arraigned to favour the treatment, which is done with electroshock , of course evidence based medicine DOES NOT WORK IF THE EVIDENCE IS FALSIFIED and there is no one with the power to question the foundation.
If the supposed doctor removes the patients ability (thought and action) to complain, that is not a successful treatment.
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Feelings (unlike thoughts) can’t be argued with , yes. Coming off of anti-anxiety drugs is a very tough feeling that can take days for minor improvement.
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I agree that “psychotic” is mostly fictional. The exception is when people are drugged with a mistaken thought in their head, and since drugged can not be reasoned with or self reflect on their chain of logic that lead to their error in thinking.
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Frank, I would not use Wikipedia as a reference.
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He/she is a witch! All a set up to make money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g
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Thank you for the article! I do not believe psychiatric drugs are medicines. My mind is not diseased.
Rational thought comes from a fully functioning brain.
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Dr. Moncrieff you quoted Szasz’s writing “We include many persons unable to control themselves”.
Medicalisation of morals https://fee.org/media/5232/0712szasz.pdf
Why are people unable to control themselves?
Szasz says that neither the pro-drug psychiatrists or the anti-drug psychiatrists treats the patient as a responsible moral agent.
Once a doctor starts drugging someone ( two kinds of patients, one wants “help”, the second type of patient does NOT want help). the doctor takes the freewill away from the patient as the drugs have physically altered the brain.
When a doctor declares someone unable to control themselves, then gives the person drugs that physically makes the person unable to control themselves, the doctor is making the future (predictions) come true.
A doctor has to have proof of physical disease first before they apply a physical treatment. Otherwise yes I do agree with locking up ( with due process) people who make serious threats of violence ( out of control people).
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Two of my mentally ill friends ( we spent time in hospital-prison together) are happy to be indentured to psychiatry or too stupid to realize they are indentured to psychiatry. The drugs called medicine may inhibit the cognition necessary to perceive and understand their indenturement.
Their cognitive liberty was crushed years ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQJb9PivYRU
Psychiatry is a perfect system but not to the government who has to pay all the bills without receiving genuine service/labour.
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Podcast 16 forum does not exist yet on the internet, so no one can comment at that location.
Regarding “Please feel free to email us with topic suggestions or post them in our forum.”
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Yes I had a troubled childhood.
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Dead from infection it is reported.
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Congratulations!
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it is neither male or female
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What is mental illness? It means different things to different people.
If you (the person) can ask the question “Am I mentally ill?”, weigh the pros and cons for a few moments, it means you probably are not.
stuttering can be recorded with todays technology and anyone listening to the recording would agree it is a problem in speaking. involuntary action. Mental illness? What?
Tourette’s syndrome I believe can be found by neurology, a physical defect of/in the brain. involuntary action. Mental illness? What?
sleep apnea, again measurable with scientific instruments that anyone looking at the documented evidence could perceive the problem in sleeping. involuntary action. Mental illness? What?
Judgement of sanity through the sight, the sound and the smell of the accused is quackery and will always be quackery.
Applying a permanent label is quackery and will always be quackery because people are continually changing from day to day, month to month, year to year. No injury goes unchanged. The injury either gets worse or gets better.
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“Paternalism is at work here.” No, I say it is the matriarchy. All punishment can not appear to be punishment. Hospital not a jail, Medicines not drugs are given. No specific fault or problem is confronted to avoid the possibility of violence.
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When the pro electroshock people write their scientific papers they leave out the dead and injured, the dead and injuries that may have come from the electroshock treatment.
“…eight people were deceased, 11 refused to take part, six could not be traced and five could not take part due to significant cognitive impairment.”
8+11+6+5= 30 out of 60 removed.http://www.progressnp.com/article/patients-experiences-attitudes-towards-ect/
149 total eligible patients, and missing 80 people, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3336851/
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Did I need a comma? after “involuntary” ?
Put “voluntary seeking” in quotes?
Doctors give “help” according to the law and science so I use the term.
Overeating, a choice, was defined as a sin.
If atheist, who are you offending when you overeat?
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It is none of anyone business what others behaviours are.
Again involuntary and voluntary seeking help is overlooked.
Peoples sins are their own. If people choose to be depressed ( old sin of sloth) that is there choice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
Today gluttony is fast becoming a true medical condition. http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/health-hospital-obesity-bariatric-michaelgarronhospital-uofalberta-1.4305767
addiction to food http://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/white-coat-black-art/episode/13982189
People go to a medical doctor for problems with their sins, the Fing doctor can’t tell them the truth.
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The message has to be kept as simple as possible so “we” do not appear crazy in our description of what is wrong.
For instance Torrey is a human brain hoarder , he collects hundreds or brains and can find nothing wrong with them. Except for the consequences to long term drugging.
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There is no psychotic molecule, virus or bacteria. Short and simple.
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Yes David, sorry for my first post being so negative.
In hindsight we the “mentally ill” should form demonstrations and educate the public we are friendly and do not deserve punishment. We do not deserve poison those in power call medicine.
We should ask the general public how they would feel if they were forced to take drugs/poison in the demonstration. but this fractures the mentally ill group, as some do, or have to take the drugs to stay “healthy”/mentally stable.
Exposure to sunlight as in exposing the truth is the way to go.
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The general public dislikes the mentally ill so much that they removed “so-called incurables” from the original “First they came for…”
1946 version “Dann hat man die Kranken, die sogenannten Unheilbaren beseitigt.”
Als Pastor Niemöller ins Konzentrationslager kam, schrieben wir 1937, als das Konzentrationslager aufgemacht wurde, da schrieben wir 1933, und die damals in die Konzentrationslager kamen, waren Kommunisten. Wer hat sich darum gekümmert? Wir haben es gewußt, es stand in den Zeitungen. Wer hat die Stimme erhoben, etwa die Bekennende Kirche? Wir haben gedacht: Kommunisten, diese Religionsgegner, diese Christenfeinde – “soll ich meines Bruders Hüter sein?” Dann hat man die Kranken, die sogenannten Unheilbaren beseitigt. –
otherwise in English
When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians – “should I be my brother’s keeper?” Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. –
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/niem.htm#order
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I am taking the sidelines , thanks. There is no way of stopping their idiocy. Drugging people stupid then blaming them for being stupid, then continuing the drugging. https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=c0swAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bagFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6205%2C1412744
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“gives society further justification for manufacturing more and more such ‘losers’.”
This goes to people loving to judge and label others. 2000 years ago it used to be judging sins like adulterer , but back in that time they did not have inexpensive PAPER to write the sins down on. Today with technology, everyone’s mistakes (or alleged sins) are recorded forever on paper.
They priests/psychiatrist do their job mostly for the power , not the money. Otherwise doping people senseless and claiming it is medicine is an easy job with no one in power to critic the doping.
The drugs sold as medicines to prevent further mistakes, make tones of money. But people will always make mistakes. Worse mistakes when on drugs that affect rational thought, but this will lead to calls for more-better magical medicines.
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The foundation of the “what amounts to a medical curse” is where the curse/labeling takes place.
Does it take place in a hospital or in a prison?
Why was the person forced to hear/listen to the curse/labeling? In most cases they were in a prison called a hospital. Most cases “helped” by medicinal cement to prevent the performance of the wrong actions or behaviour. A punishment BEFORE the crime has occurred.
If a crime has not happened, then society can not imprison and drug physically healthy people ( no brain chemical imbalance), and give the subjects/”patient” (temporary and current) actions a permanent label/curse. Curse written down on paper so it can not be forgotten or forgiven.
Psychiatric survivors have to keep the duality of the hospital/prison in their mind their entire lives. When speaking to others who do not know psychiatry, must use the word hospital, but with other survivors might use the word prison.
Once you can logically question the legitimacy of where and who placed the curse, you can dampen its power.
In the Christian bible Jesus is reported to have said ” A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit”.
What kind of work do you do?
Psychiatrist’s poison people with drugs and give electroshock to make the victim/patient apathetic and indifferent.
“Apathy and indifference is the final result of all of the most potent psychiatric treatments.” Peter R. Breggin, MD
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Papers written for science, for the efficacy of electroshock are junk science when they leave 50% of the source patient/starting number out of the calculations. There is no Internal Affairs division in psychiatry like the police have to keep bad police in check.
“Sixty patients, who had completed at least one course of ECT”
+ “At the end, our final study sample constituted 30 patients.”
Leaving out 50% of the source. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pnp.466/epdf
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“In 2015, there were an estimated 9.8 million adults aged 18 or older in the United States with SMI within the past year. This number represented 4.0% of all U.S. adults.” https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/prevalence/serious-mental-illness-smi-among-us-adults.shtml
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I know Robert Jay Lipton from the book “The nazi doctors: Medical killing and the psychology of genocide”
Bandy X. Lee, M.D. is the author of “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump”
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Judging someones actions is a judgement of morals, which is religious and not medicine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_reasoning
If they were police judging his actions it would be criminal or legal actions they are trying to determine.
Morality (arbitrary judgement) pretending to be science.https://fee.org/media/5232/0712szasz.pdf
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I was given the description/diagnosis of severe mental illness at age 19 and I did try to suicide to escape from the feelings of pain/horror/despair. The psychiatric diagnosis gave me a final reason to end my life (no hope of a future) and the psychiatric drugs gave me a means of how to do it.
Obviously I survived.
In fear of the (unknown) future people poison themselves (with psychiatric drugs) in the present moment by choice or from the intimidation of their psychiatrist( pseudo mother/father authority).
Many people can have a much more productive life off of the psychiatric drugs that inhibit cognition and physical activity.
Doctors want their patients to be, to think smart and then poison the brain? That is crazy.
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A report of success. “Teenager’s sickle cell (disease) reversed with world-first therapy”
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39142971
If genetic defects become commonly repaired then that is another reason to end coercive psychiatry.
There is no physical defect in the human being (brain) to justify forced treatment.
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How do you stop such idiots?
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Oh the poisoning works, it stops the patient/slabe from exhibiting any unwanted behaviour. The outside person such as the family is happy for the control. Who pays the psychiatrist? The schizophrenic is not paying the supposed doctor.
“People labelled by institutional psychiatrists as mentally ill are concurrently defined by the courts as less than human, in much the same way ‘Negroes’ in America were once defined as three-fifths persons. This is how Black people were, and people with mental illnesses are, deprived of liberty and justice by the state. Labelling of anyone as less than human is legal fiction, something false that is asserted as true, that the courts will not allow to be disproved. Just as defining Negroes as three-fifths persons served to maintain the institution of slavery, defining people as mentally ill serves to maintain the institution of psychiatry.
A person has a right to refuse treatment for cancer. A person does not have a right to refuse treatment for mental illness. If institutional psychiatrists are deprived of their power by the state to deprive mentally ill persons of their liberty, that is, if the state did not allow psychiatrists to enslave their patients in the name of liberating them, institutional psychiatry would go the way of slavery, as well it should.” wrote J. A. Schaler.
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Regarding “individuals using antipsychotic drugs had no documented psychiatric diagnosis.”
If I had a broken leg twenty years ago and I go to see the doctor, will he/she put a new cast on my healed leg? No, because too much time has passed. Similarly the application of psychiatric drugs on to people who had a history of taking psychiatric drugs is insane.
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And the science they report is falsified.
Imagine a dentist who treated 60 patients then only interviewed the 30 that survived his method of fixing teeth.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pnp.466/epdf
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The public does not learn about the deaths and brain damage from electroshock for the foxs do not document them. Elsie Tindle, from Sunderland
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Age 18 and not responsible for your actions ?
“In physics, we use the same laws to explain why airplanes fly, and why they crash. In psychiatry, we use one set of laws to explain sane behaviour, which we attribute to reasons (choices), and another set of laws to explain insane behaviour, which we attribute to causes (diseases).” Szasz
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I looked quickly through it, and may have missed it, but I saw nothing on cause and effect of the drugs/medications. For example the patient gets a diagnosis then is forced or willingly takes drugs/medications for the non-physical illness. These drugs/medications then do make a person unwell.
Similar to the chicken and egg paradox, when withdrawing from the drugs is it mental illness returning or simply drug withdrawal?
Only a robot might have a perfectly even temperament.
Confidence trick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick
Exploiting the person and/or the families fear of madness ( madness returning).
The “wrong” thought or feeling stopped by drugs. http://momastery.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/whack-a-mole2.jpg
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“punishment rather than treatment”, you are kidding me right?
Losing your freedom without being accused of a crime is medicinal treatment?
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Regarding “Abolish forced treatment”
Forced treatment = Jail or putting people in jail BEFORE they commit crime.
As long as the insanity defense is valid in the legal system…
“Involuntary mental hospitalization and the insanity defense should be seen for what they are: symmetrical symbols of psychiatric power. In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty.” (Szasz, 1982)
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The same happens to a mental patient if you lock them up in a rubber room, which is standard. People adjust to the environment they are in. https://www.wired.com/2015/05/big-question-can-silence-make-hear-things-arent/
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I wonder if this “psychological issues” belief correlates with the male/female sex of the doctor?
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If you can’t feed, cloth and have a home what do you do? Szasz said something like. Can you walk up to a prison and say “Let me in?” I need food and shelter.
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Thank you for the article. It makes me happy to support the MIA website for this publishing.
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a bad reaction to medication for the treatment of schizophrenia
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As a patient/inmate I had to do “Art therapy/occupational therapy” while poisoned ( can’t see, can’t talk, little hand control), or you don’t get our of prison/hospital. So I got no love for Art.
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Found it http://retractionwatch.com/2017/04/06/hello-newman-yet-another-sting-pranks-a-predatory-journal-seinfeld-style/
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I remember vandelay industries published a paper as well.
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The brain “working” during a MRI. https://www.wired.com/2004/04/brain-scans-arouse-researchers/
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In 1993 Richard Bentall went a bit mad.
He voluntarily took an antipsychotic drug and at first thought he’d get through unscathed.
“For the first hour I didn’t feel too bad. I thought maybe this is okay. I can get away with this. I felt a bit lightheaded”Then somebody asked him to fill in a form. “I looked at this test and I couldn’t have filled it in to save my life. It would have been easier to climb Mt Everest.”
That was the least of his troubles. https://davidhealy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Richard-B-goes-Mad.pdf
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Opiated – The Tragically Hip
Well, the medicine man started seeing red
You think the snake just dreams up the poison in his head
Well, addicted to approval, addicted to the air
It was see if you like it or see you on up there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1NNfBVCc10
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The Luxury-The Tragically Hip
Prison yard stares and fleur-de-lis tattoos
Cannibals are saving all their bones for soup
Eating with my fingers and sucking hulls of ships
My parasite don’t deserve no better than this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc2bU0NECmc
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yes that is the correct answer, stay away from psychiatry. Only you can leave the equation, the “doctor” is compelled to keep helping. My two hands drawing each other icon image.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=%22fix+crazy%22+%2B+%22medicate%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
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Psychiatry is the new form of slavery.
Euripides, in “The Phoenician Women” wrote “Who dares not speak his free thoughts is a slave.”
Today’s slave owners do not even allow the slave a mind to think with.
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Normal people work a job for their family, house and car. The mentally ill generally do not have any children, do not have a house, do not have a car. What are they working for?
And without the rights of a normal person. Get sectioned for not obeying orders.
“The government envisaged that between 350-450 CTOs would be issued in England and Wales in the first year…. five months in which professionals were able to issue them, November 2008 to March 2009, there were 2,134 issued in England alone.” http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2014/10/07/community-treatment-orders-politics-and-psychiatry-in-a-cult
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This is a sarcastic comment, it is a prison.
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Great writing Alishia!
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its not a prison its a hospital, we are not drugging people we are giving people medicine, as its a hospital the prisoner-who-isnt-a-prisoner needs no rights, needs no Miranda rights. The system is perfect if it wasnt it wouldnt exist.
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And not bullshit cause of death reports like ” I’m going to say he died of natural causes and I’m satisfied he was well looked after.”” https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
This coroner should lose his license to practice , but no one mentions lying on a report is ? criminal because he is being “kind” to the family. “Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.” wrote Thomas Szasz in his book Cruel Compassion.
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Every mentally ill patients causes of death has to be documented to stop the much shorter life span. From this articles act of violence to the bowel strangulation (passive aggressive killing). http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/inquest-told-there-was-a-lost-opportunity-to-treat-mental-health-patient-who-died-following-severe-constipation-1-5244246
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Keep on the dope buddy! Look, I’m getting paid to sell the dope! You can get paid also. The whole world should be on dope!
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Q “What kind of society would permit this assault on its children? ”
The “help” for the children is done one by one individually, so it is not perceived as an assault.
All doctors are guilty for allowing the drugs to be called medicine. The medicine has to be declassified as medicine.
It is a society of sheep following orders. If a person gets angry, they are mentally ill and need medication.
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drug, not medicate “drug the emotions out “
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There is no counter voice to say “No, this child does not have ADHD.”
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Legal drugs of alcohol and tobacco are used , so I have no problem with people taking prescription drugs to cope with life. Power and control of the dope dealer is the problem.
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Like quitting smoking, I support cold turkey quitting , though I do not think it is easy at all.
The longer on the drug the more damage is occurring to the brain. A person usually heals from injury, electroshock included.
“The main outcome of interest will be social functioning along with relapse, side effects, employment, and costs”
Regarding employment, F U ! What does a SMI person want with employment? I will work for those that tortured and jailed me unjustly? You got to be kidding me.
You going to remove the SMI status from my medical files? Give me years of my life back that were lost to your worship of magical molecules? F U.
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Yes kindredspirit, people make choices to use drugs or not. Unless the drug is forced on them by a psychiatrist. Psychiatry is addicted to prescribing and can not stop.
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Thanks Steve, for clarifying the disease definition.
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2007 article http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/puarticles/clozgi.htm
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Monsters.
a better link to MIA https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
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If with a MRI a scientist can prove damage to the brain, from constant or long term drug use, then it is a brain disease.
If the brain can not be distinguished from another brain, they are not “sick” enough. Pretty simple.https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/images/colorbox/cocrrenabuser.jpg
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Children can not BE mentally ill. As mental illness is defined by behavior and children can not control their behavior as is why they are named children.
“Because the mental diseases that supposedly afflict children are undeniably misbehaviors, and because the child mental patient is in an even more helpless position than the adult mental patient, child psychiatry is a doubly problematic enterprise.” “Child psychology and child psychiatry cannot be reformed. They must be abolished.” Szasz
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ditto They Can’t Figure Out How To Poison
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And anyone locked up by psychiatry and helped/brainwashed/drugged ….
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Yes the psychiatrists are stupid to put people in jail BEFORE they have committed a crime. “In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty.” Szasz
Then the psychiatrist expect insight in their “patient” or victim when they have just robbed the victim of their brain function with poisons-drugs. The patient can not speak from the poison.
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
https://davidhealy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Richard-B-goes-Mad.pdf
You are not allowed to be stupid https://medicalhumour.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/you-cant-fix-stupid-but-you-can-sedate-it/
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I remember the insatiable thirst while being tied to the hospital bed. What do you remember of your psychiatric treatment?
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There is the start of a Schizophrenia list on Wikipedia. Most successful people do not want to be associated with witchcraft/schizophrenia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_with_schizophrenia
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65 MB download? How long a time duration is the audio? One hour?
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RE ” short term use of neuroleptics makes people ill” I agree but this is hard to prove. David Healy hosts the article “Unravelling madness” https://davidhealy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Richard-B-goes-Mad.pdf
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In short, with the passage of time in jail and drugs, psychiatry can make people sick, as they have claimed the person is.
What would the world do with (unchained) undrugged psychiatric patients? Properly conditioned, most patients like their chains.
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Thank you for the article Philip Hickey.
If you compare the psychiatric drugs to chains, the persons that chains the slave will of course say the chains are helpful in controlling the behavior of the slave.
I found one error ” But psychiatry can’t turn non-illnesses into illnesses. ” under the heading “BUT… IS PSYCHIATRY REFORMABLE?”
I was diagnosed schizophrenic at age 19 I am now 49 and have rejected the psychiatric drugs as much as I can because I like my brain and think it functions fine.
Friends I have known since we were in hospital(jail) together when we were 19 (we made friends there) think that I am (now) a genius. In fact, I have average intelligence but I do accept their compliment.
They tell me I am smart because otherwise (if I was average) then they would be stupid, and no one wants to think of themselves as stupid. I wonder what their brain volumes would look like in a MRI scan after the thirty years of drugs they have consumed.
The long term use of psychiatric drugs does make illness in its subjects. The long term use of psychiatric drugs damage the brain, and when it does so it fulfills the prophesy of the psychiatrist that the person is ill.
If or when my friends discontinued the drugs over the thirty years they would have withdrawal symptoms. Symptoms like insomnia and “strange” thoughts. In addition they were never given/taught skills to handle their emotions of anger and such, so they always went back on the drugs. They were successfully taught to fear their emotions, that their emotions were diseases.
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thanks for the joke
“America has the best politicians money can buy.”
http://www.willrogerstoday.com/will_rogers_quotes/quotes.cfm?qID=4
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Very few understand that the psychiatric drugs affect the brain like the drug alcohol affects the brain to think/work.
Only God knows how responsible she was for her actions. With alcohol they do have a known limit of 0.05 grams (50 milligrams) of alcohol in every 100 millilitres of blood.
The pharmaceutical company drugs can only do “good” things to a persons brain according to the brainwashed public, and there is no one making billions in profits to be able to publish contrary information about the drugs.
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“ensure that foster children’s informed consent is obtained and documented.”
It is the crazy world of “it’s got electrolytes”/idiocracy 2006 film.
Children can not give ” informed consent “. They have no choice for one thing, for a second, children can not enter into legal agreements as they are under the age OF consent.
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Regarding samruck2
This is no longer medicine, but religion.
Bible Verses on Judging
http://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-on-judging/
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“in the end we ALL have the right to decide whether or not we want to live or die.”
That IS correct.
If a person is STUPID enough to talk about suicide ( they don’t know “we ALL have the right to decide”) they should be locked up.
Flip your statement around.
“People need to openly talk about such thoughts without judgement or threat of incarceration in a hospital.”
to
“People need to openly talk about their thoughts about killing others without judgement or threat of incarceration.”
Does it make any sense?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/middleeast/al-qaeda-branch-yemen-united-states/index.html
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“Mark…. I hope you will reconsider your position.”
I can see no alternative. If person “A” threatens to kill person “B”, person “B” can complain to the police. If the police find sufficient evidence for the complaint, they can charge person “A”. Person “A” gets some kind of punishment.
If person “A” and person “B” are the same person , a person threatening suicide, bystanders and authority can not just watch and wait for the person to kill themselves.
Talk of suicide has to be put back in the closet where it belongs. If you talk of suicide you should get locked up. Jail-hospital interchangeable.
People have confused the feeling of despair with the action of suicide.
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Thank you Lauren Andersen, for trying to police the psychiatry system.
Myself , I think the worst part of being jailed (before I committed any crime) was the psychiatric drugs they call medicine.
Everyone in the system is being paid, whether they do good or bad, if they follow the rules or don’t follow the rules.
I, unlike others at MIA do believe in involuntary commitment, but with just cause , involving a genuine court hearing of evidence.
Those held in prison-hospital have to be given a reasonable method to get out of the prison ( imagine it was YOU mistakenly imprisoned!), and/or the punishment/treatment must fit the crime ( with the crime having occurred first, not after psychiatry).
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Uh what?
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schizophrenia is not a disease. How do you catch it? How do you die from it?
“schizophrenia” is the modern day equivalent of calling someone a witch . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
No way to scientifically prove (blood test, X-ray et cetera) you are, or are not a witch/schizophrenic.
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Regarding “….Allen Frances. Frances was the chair of the DSM-IV taskforce and has written extensively about ADHD overdiagnosis and overmedication of children.”
I disagree that the psychiatric drugs are medication. The children are not being over-medicated, but over-drugged.
In my generations time we obeyed authority out of fear due to the Patriarchy. Today fear can not be induced in the child due to the Matriarchy being in power. Most coercion today is done with drugs renamed as “medicine”.
Your (bad) choices are not your fault “We are helping you with medicine!”
What will be the outcome? http://eastloshigh.com/thesiren/sagging-pants/
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To protect the patient from hurting or killing themselves the obvious solution is to keep the patient/prisoner in hospital/jail .
The helpers now have scientific evidence now to support unlimited hospitalization/detention.
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2879#comic
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In the animal kingdom, the rule is, eat or be eaten; in the human kingdom, define or be defined. – Thomas Szasz
If the defined person does not stay ill, they were misdiagnosed, a circular logic explanation of a fraudster.
A typical person does stay ill when poisoned on a daily basis. Poison voluntarily taken on the belief that it is medicine. How did the belief take place? Several months of being conditioned in a jail , the jailer calls a hospital.
If I don’t take my medicine I can’t sleep at night. If I don’t take my medicine I start having some strange thoughts.
http://psychrights.org/research/Digest/Effective/APAMonV31No2.htm
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To Richard D. Lewis, you wrote “by forcibly incarcerating and drugging”. The mass population believes in the mistake of a “brain chemical imbalance” and that the psychiatric drugs are medicine ( not drugs). This has to be changed.
Forcible incarceration can be justified as a mercy on someone whose emotions are larger than their rational logical mind.
An example of mercy is someone who proclaims (to many witnesses) they plan to kill themselves, the bystanders can not stand by and do nothing. If a person instead of suicide threats, threatens to kill someone else the can be charged with a crime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offences_against_the_Person_Act_1861#Threats_to_kill
In the case of threatening someone else’s life, they do not give or force “medicine” on to this person, similarly they should not give or force “medicine” on to the person threatening suicide.
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Right the Quakers and such, but before mankind had cities(24 hour light), we did not have mental illness.
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Regarding a similar chart. I imagine NOT drugging the patient with poisons and waiting for “psychosis” to end naturally/ discussion of problem rationally/ physical problems discovered ( example. chronic lack of full sleep, B12 deficiency) and corrected.
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Even better evidence of quackery, the mortality rate was lower before medicine came to “help” in the year 1823. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis#/media/File:Yearly_mortality_rates_1784-1849.png
Started washing hands in 1847, then seemed magicians with a new lower mortality rate, when they were causing the 20 years of disease in the first place.
I predict a similar chart would reflect the invention/ treatment of mental illness.
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Once the victim gets a “diagnosis” the sadists/demons get to torture the victim… and they get PAID to perform the torture service.
Dr. Thomas Story Kirkbride and any other doctor at the time were genuine quacks as medicine still had not found the four blood types and had not discovered penicillin.
“The germ theory of disease had not yet been accepted in Vienna.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
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When prisoners no longer worked for free , you mean.
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Regarding “sowing seeds of untruth”. It is they, the psychiatrists who are sowing the seed of fear (of the future). A fear of life without an antipsychotic/a magic pill. A life without a psychiatrist. But reason and logic come from a fully functioning brain not a drugged/medicated one.
Bible “A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was sowing, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. Some fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil. They sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. But when the sun rose, the seedlings were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seeds fell among the thorns, which grew up and choked the seedlings. Still other seeds fell on good soil and produced a crop—a hundredfold, sixtyfold, or thirtyfold.”
How many successful psychiatric patients on antipsychotics VS psychiatric patients off of drugs?
Success being defined as employed and having children. All the other living creatures on the planet have offspring to be considered a success.
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I am now age 49. I was diagnosed seriously mentally ill at age 19. If I had taken the psychiatric drugs continuously I would be worse off today from the brain damage. Numerous studies show brain damage from psychiatric drugs. I and all mentally ill people need a fully functioning brain for reason, to be able to reason and communicate.
Any sane person knows you should not punish people before they commit a crime (those in authority image will happen), only after a crime. I never committed any crime to justify my drugging at age 19.
Thank you for criticizing the system Robert Whitaker.
Hopefully, in the future many peoples lives will be extended and they will become better functioning people. Not just slabs of living meat.
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“But the problem with them is that they still make the substance the enemy.”
Is the Devil/Satan a real physical object? as an enemy.
Or as a ally , was God really a burning bush appearing to Moses?
For people to have successful lives I think they can blame the physical substance. (correctly)
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“You make choices. Your genes don’t”
Sometime people make the wrong or bad choices. As no one is perfect.
During physical and mental withdrawal people hear the “devil” temp them to drink/use drugs again, and people naturally do fall to temptation.
How do you forgive yourself for your mistakes? Some can’t forgive so keep using the drug to cope, to feel better. (with their physical health declining from the poisonous effects of a foreign substance)
Blaming a substance is legitimate , as the person is not their true selves when their mind has been altered by the substance, or the damage to their cognitive ability.
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If a licensed doctor prescribed to a patient a substance that alters the patients mind in a wrong way (instead of the intended “right” way), who is responsible?
When I asked my psychiatrist this question-idea she called me “dangerous”.
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Roger Griggs, …. said, “There’s no way on God’s green earth we would ever promote stimulants directly to consumers”
The doctor and the pharmaceutical Co. accuse each other of doing the damage.
No God to lay judgement.
Will society self implode from all the children being harmed?
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Regarding “Allowing writers to turn off comments”
This would go with the supply and demand for new material for the website. If there is a lack of material for the website, yes I agree with allowing writers to turn off comments.
If comments are disabled on a post it is a reflection on the writer and no big deal in my opinion.
Keeping the website healthy is the most important thing as it is a place for disseminating alternate opinions and facts on the success of psychiatric treatments.
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Bruce Levine video. https://youtu.be/d-NXULCzhAg?t=42s
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Great article Joanna Moncrieff, thank you for the criticism of the May 5th paper by Donald Goff and others.
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Yes firstly it may be some kind of colorblindness or physical difference. Secondly, myself as a child wondered what those in authority would do when I told a harmless lie.
One time as a child I told a lie of the sink drain backing up and this bunch of dirt coming out. My mother went along with my fictional story , while my father got angry at the lie and said it was impossible for the dirt to back up. So I knew at that point who was going to confront a lie.
Perhaps these children who report red for green colors are not psychotic and are testing the intelligence of the adults?
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Unusual Beliefs and Behaviors vs. Objective Realities and Truths.
Who is crazy is relative. Who has the power to define reality?
The disenfranchised has to be able, and have the skill to repeat the lies of the powerful back to them.
A prison that is called a hospital because those in authority want it called a hospital, and for the family of the imprisoned to believe the loved one is getting medicinal treatment and not punishment.
Poisons voluntarily and involuntarily given/taken called medicine because otherwise psychiatry would be just a talking experience akin to a religion. And we can’t have a forced religion.
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The Big Pharma can milk the population for more money the longer they live, so it is in their interests to promote exercise.
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no no, it will be exercise WITH magical medication, and all the benefits coming from the exercise will be attributed to the magical medicine.
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A 1983 newspaper article http://fultonhistory.com/highlighter/highlight-for-xml?altUrl=http%3A%2F%2Ffultonhistory.com%2FNewspaper%252011%2FGeneva%2520NY%2520Finger%2520Lake%2520Times%2FGeneva%2520NY%2520Finger%2520Lake%2520Times%25201983%2520Nov%25201983%2FGeneva%2520NY%2520Finger%2520Lake%2520Times%25201983%2520Nov%25201983%2520-%25201220.pdf%23xml%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Ffultonhistory.com%2FdtSearch%2Fdtisapi6.dll%3Fcmd%3Dgetpdfhits%26u%3D6166642c%26DocId%3D6407579%26Index%3DZ%253a%255cIndex%2520U%252dF%252dP%26HitCount%3D10%26hits%3D35%2Bad%2B260%2B2ba%2B331%2B348%2B37b%2B3bd%2B683%2B86c%2B%26SearchForm%3D%252fFulton%255fNew%255fform%252ehtml%26.pdf&uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffultonhistory.com%2FNewspaper%252011%2FGeneva%2520NY%2520Finger%2520Lake%2520Times%2FGeneva%2520NY%2520Finger%2520Lake%2520Times%25201983%2520Nov%25201983%2FGeneva%2520NY%2520Finger%2520Lake%2520Times%25201983%2520Nov%25201983%2520-%25201220.pdf&xml=http%3A%2F%2Ffultonhistory.com%2FdtSearch%2Fdtisapi6.dll%3Fcmd%3Dgetpdfhits%26u%3D6166642c%26DocId%3D6407579%26Index%3DZ%253a%255cIndex%2520U%252dF%252dP%26HitCount%3D10%26hits%3D35%2Bad%2B260%2B2ba%2B331%2B348%2B37b%2B3bd%2B683%2B86c%2B%26SearchForm%3D%252fFulton%255fNew%255fform%252ehtml%26.pdf&openFirstHlPage=false
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Morons at the website to have such an unflattering photo of Dr. Catherine Sarkisian January 6, 2016 on display. It looks like she is about to have a seizure in the (still) photo.
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You are not a scientist performing a legitimate experiment.
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Only your mommy and daddy might care. What do you want from a doctor? You want a drug dealer that will give you what you want.
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“acute need for medication” wrote Vlado C. May 1, 2017 at 6:32 pm
WTF? You purposely stayed awake to bring on a mania.
That is not something a responsible adult would do.
You are not a “patient” but a drug (ab) user and need a legitimate source for drugs. That is not medicine.
Prove you have some physical defect ( that you did not cause yourself) , then a doctor would be issuing medicine, otherwise it is legal drugs.
You write of wanting over the counter Ativan in anther post. If you do not know the withdrawal consequences from Ativan, then you are truly inexperienced in the mental health world.
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Poor response to electroshock https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16958303
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Asking doctors to find evidence of harm from electroshock in their patients is like asking the Tobacco industry to look for various cancers in people that use/buy their product. They do not want to stop selling a product/service.
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seizures don’t stop , no one writes of it. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-died-after-nhs-electric-7540901
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heart stops often during electroshock. no one writes of it. http://www.ajgponline.org/article/S1064-7481(12)61031-8/abstract
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“Psychosis” is a bullshit word. What is psychosis? A conflicted inner dialogue? Written of in the bible.
Matthew 19:22 Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth.
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Psychotic dogs here. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/201209/why-dogs-hump
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A psychotic moose right here. http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/moosemount.asp
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re”so what I get what 6 months in jail”
You will not be judged a criminal for violence but instead a dangerous mentally ill patient and poisoned ( they call medicine) for the rest of your life.
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A previous post on the end of psychiatry
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/04/what-if-the-folly-is-in-us-too
” And if we stop calling them patients, are we ready to treat them as full citizens, make them face the consequences of their behavior like everyone else, including being hauled before a court if they break the law?”
You got it backwards. We first stop calling the psychiatric medicines , medicines. The chemicals psychiatry prescribes are just drugs, for there is no physical illness in the patient.
Then with no “medicines” to issue to your patient, who are you doctor? Are you a doctor? How do you differentiate yourself from a religious leader who also uses words to treat his congregation?
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I am sorry, I think you mistakenly posted your response in the wrong location. I do not know of Don Rinsley.
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Not a word on “medication” compliance in the writing. Where the slave/patient disagrees with the master/psychiatrist on what are poisons or medicines.
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Like asking police to police themselves, asking doctors to police other doctors, there is no one to enforce the Nuremberg code.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Lieberman#Criticism
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Normal people want to kill and such , as it is reflected in the number of video game sales of Grand Theft Auto. “Mass shootings” is what many wish do to one day when they “snap”.
Grand Theft Auto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4jQ4lBwLkE
Grand Theft Auto 5 tops 75 million units shipped http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/7/14541254/gta-5-sales-75-million
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” And if we stop calling them patients, are we ready to treat them as full citizens, make them face the consequences of their behavior like everyone else, including being hauled before a court if they break the law?”
You got it backwards. We first stop calling the psychiatric medicines , medicines. The chemicals psychiatry prescribes are just drugs, for there is no physical illness in the patient.
Then with no “medicines” to issue to your patient, who are you doctor? Are you a doctor? How do you differentiate yourself from a religious leader who also uses words to treat his congregation?
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It is only now with science that it is proven there is nothing wrong with the “mad”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Jansk%C3%BD
The insanity defense has to be removed from the law books everywhere.
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A Piano Lesson
“Under my tutelage, you will play the piano better than Rachmaninov himself.”
“But you have cut off my hands.”
“This is a very good quality piano, and I would like you to play it now.”
“I can’t play it because you have cut off my hands.”
More at
http://web.archive.org/web/20070819163127/http://trick-cyclingforbeginners.blogspot.com:80/2007/04/piano-lesson.html
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Or “Study Explores Cognitive Effects of a lobotomy”
“the more antipsychotics patients receive, the more likely they are to have a decreased amount of grey matter.” http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
Cutting the legs off a frog, then surprised when the frog doesn’t jump any more, or reattaching the legs then wondering why the frog doesn’t jump like it did .
Those in power are insane.
They have to prove a deficit or imbalance in brain chemicals to justify the addition of a drug to a healthy patient, and they can not.
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I’m feeling hungry so I’m going to jump off a cliff. I’m feeling my colon is full so I’m going to jump off a cliff.
NO I prepare some food if I feel hungry. NO , I go to the toilet if my colon is full.
No one can feel suicidal.
People feel hopeless/lonely and think of the complex action of suicide as a solution. Who taught them this?
There is a STEP between feeling, and the action of suicide. They are NOT one and the same thing. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/one-and-the-same
How many of these people “feeling suicidal” are having pleasurable sex?
I know many are eating too much food as a solution to feeling bad. https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
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One of the signs “They’re sleeping too much or too little.”
This is a joke right? Tell me this is a joke.
“This porridge is too hot!” she exclaimed. So, she tasted the porridge from the second bowl.
“This porridge is too cold,” she said. So, she tasted the last bowl of porridge.
“Ahhh, this porridge is just right,” she said happily and she ate it all up.” The Story of Goldilocks and the Three Bears
You do know both the boys and girls are becoming capable of reproduction from a massive increase of hormones.
Making the boys girls? and vice versa making the girls boys, so everyone is equal. Everyone has to be equal.
testosterone production in male http://www.mhhe.com/socscience/sex/common/ibank/ibank/0088.jpg
Becoming an adult is now a disease.
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Big brain vs small brain as an illness is stupid, because the description of big or small does not specify which brain works better.
How tiny is a fruit fly’s brain and look at what it can do. http://www.futurity.org/fruit-flys-tiny-brain-finds-food-well/
In the case of a heart, an enlarged heart is a bad thing. Where metaphorically to have a big heart is a good thing.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/big-hearted
VS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiomegaly
No behavior or misbehavior is a disease. http://biologicaldentalhealth.com/video-no-behavior-or-misbehavior-is-a-disease-or-can-be-a-disease/
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At the article there are comments , and the top comment is that Scientologists are a reference source.
People really hate the Scientologists.
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Reading in dim light hurts your eyes.
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Masturbation will make you go blind!
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A better link
“Once diagnosed, never undiagnosed. But once diagnosed, not always symptomatic.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20120626011756/http://www.furiousseasons.com/archives/2007/12/once_diagnosed_never_undiagnosed.html
“What’s the point of treatment and going through years of agony and finally getting vastly better only to be told that there is no goal line I can possibly cross that will lead to me being undiagnosed?”
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Dead beat club song by B52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KyhesAa-DA
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As a schizophrenic, what do I want a job for? whats the point? F that sht
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Regarding “drug, drug, drug mentality of so many of the people in the mental health services business” it is a religious belief in magical chemicals to make people “good” instead of “bad”. Doing something bad? He/she must be off their medication.
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Constipation can make anyone feel badly, lead to a short temper, depression, and impact appetite/enjoyment of food . The psychiatric drugs that are designed to interfere with brain biochemistry also interfere with the stomach/colon biochemistry.
“Most of my patients have a very good understanding that there is a close connection between their emotions and their guts. But there are still very few neuroscientists who understand the complexity of this enteric nervous system and its links to the brain.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201111/your-backup-brain
“20 reports of serious gastrointestinal adverse effects resembling obstruction, three of which were fatal.”/”Death from clozapine-induced constipation prompts warning” http://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/news/death-from-clozapine-induced-constipation-prompts-warning/11100557.article
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I request the date and those responsible for the study of gluten and 36 mentally ill persons. I have heard this story many times but do not have the documented proof to reference to others who disbelieve.
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Psychs are not insane in that they get paid for their actions, actions of drugging people and calling it medicine. The money in which the charlatans get paid in to do their work, does not really exist.
Mankind for inventing and believing in money is insane.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGMYdalClU
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Well a 50 % chance at least, which is pretty good odds. Proof here “The percentages of antipsychotic-treated older adults with long-term use were 53.7% (70–74 years), 49.2% (75–79 years), and 46.2% (80–84 years). ” http://www.psychiatrist.com/jcp/article/Pages/2015/v76n10/v76n1021.aspx
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The torturers will be tortured themselves one day.
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A cartoon on attacking the Dragon of Psychiatry. http://www.boredpanda.com/inktober-dragons-brian-kesinger/?media_id=734982
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Thanks for commenting on my comment , so I know I am not alone.
“would not disagree” is much better as “wouldn’t disagree”
“Ek stem nie nié met jou saam nie. (“I don’t not agree with you,” i.e., I agree with you.)”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative#Germanic_languages
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Regarding “dissolving psychiatry as a profession”. The profession of psychiatry can never be dissolved as long as the law requires the accused to be “sane” at the time of the incident, presently and understand the charges against them. If both the prosecutor and defense attorney agree before a trial that the defendant is insane ( found not to be criminally responsible), the accused goes to a psychiatric prison rather than a criminal prison.
I would say until the law changes , until court cases are based on the facts of evidence first Who, What, Where, How, then the reasons WHY the crime occurred are asked second, the profession of psychiatry is secure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean
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Great news!
Regarding “unless it can take on more difficult patients too” is it a prison or a hospital? Is the patient/prisoner angry or psychotic? Those in authority call the persons behaviour psychosis instead of anger and drug them silent in their prison they call a hospital.
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what are they laughing at us for? the specific reason? they are making money from the diploma or whatever credentials they have. With this job they have in mental health they have money to spend, spend as they wish.
What are you fighting against? Forced drugging? You are not following orders?
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That is a hilarious picture, the wig on top of the MRI brain scan.
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The only function of a psychiatrist is to drug the patient.
Anger at psychiatry can be converted to comedy/humor with imagination.
Voluntarily taking a poison/medicine every day makes some one humble. If a person consciously stays humble (every day) by remembering the mistakes they performed in the past they do not need the symbolic act of taking a poison.
Psychiatry never forgives, they write the mistakes all down on paper, where a broken leg diagnosis is a broken leg diagnosis forever.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” Szasz.
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Regarding the drugs/meds, you will get better , in the same way as a weightlifter gets better when lifting weights. Through repetition you will become better.
I say this as I , at age 19, was forced/given powerful antipsychotic drugs for several years (off and on) and today at 49 am doing okay. I have the gift of sight , the ability to hear, the ability to walk and talk.
If you keep looking at the negative, the negative will be apparent , so look for the good things. Similarly to the advice of when you drive, look at the road you want to take, not the tree on the side of the road you fear you will hit.
Or looking for the problem , can make the problem happen.
The character Neo knocks over the vase. https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8254c23366b3a6827beb96a1f19f9368
Looking for the solution , can make the solution happen. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9576387/ns/health-health_care/t/two-australians-win-nobel-prize-medicine/#.WNEZcme1t0g
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Thanks for writing this piece, sharing the information you have.
Regarding “What do I tell a family whose child comes to see me…”
Myself, I do not believe in giving/forcing drugs (others call medicine) to children, as in “no behaviour or misbehaviour is a disease” . T. Szasz.
I don’t know how anesthesiologists can justify their actions on a patient before electroshock, but they have some rational.
Do whatever your conscious lets you live with, but you shouldn’t take advice from an un-“medicated” schizophrenic.
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Asking those damaged by psychiatry to fight psychiatry is like asking landmine victims to walk in a march/protest against landmines.
Landmine victims march
http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-reu-nicaragua-20100818184955-photo.html
Those that survive psychiatry often have emotional defects as well as intellectual defects that prevent them from both employment and organizing against those that damaged them.
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“You know how many books and websites are promoted on mad in America.”
So its bad if someone is trying to sell a book against selling drugs-for-life, but it is okay that the drugs make billions in revenue for Pharma company. Right.
Dr. Allen Frances stated 39 Billion dollars being made a year by Pharma Companies.
Mad in America Film Festival Panel. Running time 48:04. The time of speaking is at 5:55. Date (video) Published on Oct 24, 2014 . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcqWa2r6bOA&feature=youtu.be&t=5m55s
$18 Billion dollars a year in antipsychotics. Source (I disagree with forcing physically healthy people to consume drugs, but the link states billion dollar numbers) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/health/a-call-for-caution-in-the-use-of-antipsychotic-drugs.html
$11 Billion dollars a year in antidepressants. http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/06/prescribing.aspx
$10 Billion dollars a year in stimulant drugs. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/health/the-selling-of-attention-deficit-disorder.html?pagewanted=all
Including tranquilizer drugs benzodiazepines/klonopin/diazepam/Valium/Xanax, its higher.
In the 1970’s it was barely a 1 Billion dollar market. https://books.google.ca/books?id=2DFLI2ib-1oC&lpg=PA43&ots=HEQREreIFM&dq=sales%20of%20tranquilizer%20drugs&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q=sales%20of%20tranquilizer%20drugs&f=false
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If the drug comes from a doctor(prescription+pharmacist) it magically becomes a medicine.
I as a “schizophrenic” must take a fictional cure, (a medicine to the doctor, a poison from my perspective) , for my fictional illness if authority deems it necessary.
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz”
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A drug is a luxury you don’t truly need to live.
A medicine is a necessary treatment for a real (physical) disease.
A medicine has a start and finish date, a drug does not have a finish date.
A good clue that it is a drug , is if they give free samples.
Just like the old dope peddler.
“He gives the kids free samples
Because he knows full well
That today’s young innocent faces
Will be tomorrow’s clientele”
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whats the difference between a drug and a medicine?
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” a guy who ha experienced severe mental health sickness.”
I got that also. But, Where did it/does it come from? and do drugs make it worse?
Alcohol or crack do help people for a time, but the person was not lacking in alcohol or crack in their brain.
what is the “biological component ” in plain English?
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giving someone depression http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199905133401905?ck=nck#t=article
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First a success , Then a failure.
Sheila Cook, 62, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8279576/British-woman-cured-of-deep-depression-by-pioneering-surgery.html
” This (DeepBrainStimulation) worked for a month or two but soon the suicidal thoughts returned.
In February 2010, Mrs Cook was asked if she would trial an even newer form of treatment – Anterior Cingulotomy (GTAC) that involved burning out connections in the brain that were too active. ”
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First a success , Then a failure.
Chantal Remeny alive in 2006 thanks to successful DBS.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-on-switch/article18161067/
Chantal Remeny dead in 2009
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?n=chantal-remeny&pid=125450309
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“Rob Matte had to have the procedure (DBS) done a second time after the first caused such a severe infection that doctors put him on an antibiotic drip for eight months. ” http://www.newsweek.com/health-corners-mind-114671
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and of course Mad in Americas article by Danielle Egan
https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/09/adverse-effects-perils-deep-brain-stimulation-depression/
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The photo of the rat with wires coming out of its head could have been from 1950.
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Sorry you got needled/stuck(?) and administered a mind altering drug. The psych drugs could kill some one, but the person/patient/prisoner officially would not die from the drug, as the magical drugs can only do “good” things to a human being.
“neuroleptic malignant syndrome (NMS)” is one of the official descriptions.
My advice in such a situation where the police show up to the inconsequential action of taking down of a flyer, is to LIE to the police and say “No I did not take down the flyer. What are you talking about?” The onus( the burden) is then on the accuser to prove you did something wrong or criminal.
One of the signs of “sanity” is the ability to lie, if you can not lie it means you are insane.
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re”why is there no concerted effort to stop their(drugs) use? ”
Those in power do not want to hear their victims screaming, and do not want their victims to have the ability to fight back.
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” wrote George Orwell.
This comic below is WRONG in that “health advocates” AKA psychiatrists DO have legislative powers.
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2879#comic
And the drugged mentally ill have, on average a 25 year shorter life, AND brain shrinkage from the “medicine”. BUT the brain shrinkage is a GOOD thing. “decreasing brain volume could also be responsible for the beneficial effects of the drugs” http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
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Who is the mad one?
They put people in prisons that they say are not prisons.
Mary Barnes” she painted the walls with her own faeces until they gave her paint to use instead.”
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Dr David Healy, when you write of the history of psychiatry why do you not include hysteria (female) and the treatment for it?
“In medical journals of the early 1800’s, doctors lamented that treating hysterics taxed their physical endurance.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201303/hysteria-and-the-strange-history-vibrators
Then paroxysms produced by electricity instead of vibration, an even quicker method.
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“locked in a strange room. What if halfway through their trip they were given drugs that numb the mind and make it difficult to think or move clearly?”
This would make any sane person angry. Then they call the anger in the person “psychosis” and re-drug the “patient” for life for not liking the medical help, as the drugs stop ANGER in the patient.
Also the family of the patient/victim will not know or understand the experience of imprisonment and drugging, so will believe the allegations of insanity in the patient/victim, for the amount of anger in their loved one. And ANGER in the mentally ill must be drugged silent, don’t you know mentally ill people are dangerous?
A sweet system and set up of money for life for the Pharma Co. and fraudulent doctors.
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I have suffered the same effects of Haldol as your father. I’m sorry for your loss.
That the drug gets to be called a “medicine” is criminal. In time , people can recover from the drugs.
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Selling and buying, who is selling and who is buying?
Looking at the research, Iceland has the largest consumption of antidepressants , nearly 1 in to 10 people.
Figure 10.11 http://www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asset-Management/oecd/social-issues-migration-health/health-at-a-glance-2015_health_glance-2015-en#page186
Exploiting peoples hope for a cure, just like when they sold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil
“quacks had fake cures for real diseases; now, they claim…” Szasz
https://books.google.ca/books?id=KfU7AQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA98&ots=iO_0jEPPeH&dq=szasz%20fake%20cures%20for%20real%20diseases&pg=PA98#v=onepage&q=szasz%20fake%20cures%20for%20real%20diseases&f=false
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Before chronicity there is no evidence of a brain disease in addiction, but after some time of use, the brain changes and the changes can be seen on today’s technology.
The sin of gluttony has been treated with success , with 7 Types of Weight Loss Surgery http://www.bariatric-surgery-source.com/types-of-bariatric-surgery.html
Whose problem is the addiction? Those who have to pay the cost.
Those addicts who want to quit should be helped to quit, not punished further. Only in forgiveness can an addict reform. Giving addiction a disease designation can stop the guilt that addicts feel for succumbing to their bodies urges for drugs, as the bad feeling of guilt leads to MORE drug use.
After the addicts brain changes back to “normal” after it heals, they would no longer have the disease, and it would be up to freewill once again.
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“not very rare ” = often
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Double negative “would not disagree”. ? = would agree
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To recover after psychiatric drugs, the person has to look after themselves and (self) moderate their mood from the inside, unlike the moderation that came/comes from the outside in the form of drugs (by force or willingly).
You wrote “When seroquel was prescribed she got better”
You conveniently leave out the details.
What was wrong with her that seroquel was prescribed? How do you define “got better”? Would she define herself as “got better”? I think not. That was not medicine.
The seroquel medicating/drugging is equivalent to hiding the problem( unresolved emotions-thoughts). Like hiding dirt, by sweeping it under a rug. After a time, you can no long hide dirt under the rug due to the quantity of dirt.
“After quitting the medication,”The slave has revolted, took off the chains. If the slave is disobedient to authority , those in power will force the chains back on.
Cognitive decline will happen to all of us, given enough time.
Senility and physical disability will occur, making the person dependent on those around them for support/help until the person dies.
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Treatment? What is treatment? “medication adherence”
You do want poison, or you don’t want poison? You do? Oh that makes you a “good” patient.
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Regarding “can it last for months?” yes. You are telling us from age 52 to 62 your mom took seroquel?
If your mother can not look after herself, as in pay the bills, get groceries and feed herself, keep herself, clothing and living area clean, then some one must be in charge of her. The person in charge wants the person under them to follow orders, and sometimes psychiatric drugs can dampen the subordinates/slaves fight or disobedience.
Aggression can come from feeling pain, as in anger usually has a reason. Where can pain come from? The feeling of hunger and the opposite , the feeling of constipation.
If a person displays anger from either feeling, they get more psychiatric medication/drugs for their bad behaviour. ( but the drugs affect the nerves in the intestine/colon/stomach the same as they affect the brain, so it is an endless cycle of drugging)
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A person has to get caught in their bad behaviour apparently, if their own consciousness lets them live with themselves.
You are not an alcoholic if you do not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder.?
You are not a Kleptomanic if you do not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder.?
Not a pyromanic if you do not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder.?
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There used to be this thing called religion. People would pray to their God, or Gods for their worries and problems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_ancient_Rome
Worry is a modern luxury as before penicillin , death from disease was a common event.
P.S. I got an irritating pop up with a near invisible “close” option on the link in the article.
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Monica , I wish you a belated Happy Birthday. I knew it was coming but I had no way to give you a Happy Birthday wish . Thanks for posting.
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People believe psychiatry is a science, not just another way to judge people. Mixing up moral and criminal behaviour ““He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8&version=NKJV
Trumps action are either legal or illegal. This is what people should focus on. Do you not remember Trumps accusation of Hillary? https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004701741/trump-to-clinton-youd-be-in-jail.html
Three fingers pointing back https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8f/71/b5/8f71b596d70d8e9fe26cdc17eb19aee7.jpg
P.S. The psychiatrists are crazy themselves when they say a prison is not a prison, it is a hospital ( people can’t leave), the drugs they issue are not drugs, they are medicine( there is nothing physically wrong in the patient for the drugs to affect).
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You wrote “Lobotomies were still being performed in Ms. Reynolds’ time but are unthinkable now.”
In hundreds of thousands , lobotomies still go on every day with the slow brain shrinkage from psychiatric drugs. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
In a few hundred, quick lobotomies are still performed, and we still have electroshock brain damage. “Gamma Knife at Rhode Island Hospital ” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwoMvc_CNBE
“the eradication of stigma.”
Stigma? What is a person most precious thing? Their freedom. What does/can a psychiatrist do? Lock someone up for their diseased mind. “My terrifying – and valuable – time in a psychiatric ward” https://www.timeshighereducation.com/features/my-terrifying-and-valuable-time-in-a-psychiatric-ward . Is stigma justifiable?
“Like most who have been though the mill and exited the other side,”
Keeping ones “Mental health” is never over, you never know what is around the corner.
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Regarding the answer of “a mountain of institutional inertia” for “Why are so few practitioners using them?(non-drug approaches)
I disagree. The answer is simply what would a psychiatrist-doctor be without medicine(drugs)?
What would distinguish them from a doctor of divinity?
“To distinguish himself from the doctor of divinity, the doctor of medicine could not simply claim that he was protecting people from sin, or vice as Rush put it. Badness remained, after all, a moral concept. As medical scientist, the physician had to claim that badness was madness, that his object of study was not the immaterial soul or “will”, but a material object, a bodily disease. ” Szasz http://jme.bmj.com/content/27/5/297.full
Drugs are ideal, as they have to be continually applied to the patient/prisoner/slave. Where with chains, the chains are only issued one time. http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160612-heres-the-truth-about-the-planned-obsolescence-of-tech
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You asked “how do we decide who is correct? How do we know what is true?”
and stated “The drugs classified as “antipsychotic” are similarly varied in their actions in the brain.”
Whatever has results we can judge as correct and true.
I as a person diagnosed with severe mental illness at age 19 , and now 48 , and I do not take psychiatric medications, where do I fit into “who is correct? what is true?”.
Authority used to use external devices such as ropes and chains on the mentally ill, psychiatric medications invisibly chain the misbehaving patient. http://time.com/3506058/strangers-to-reason-life-inside-a-psychiatric-hospital-1938/
To claim the new chains are better than the old chains gets you a paycheck.
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The NAMI link to mortality is not very good in my opinion.
“Consequences of Lack of Treatment”
While it is psychiatrist treatment killing people.
A better one is
https://academic.oup.com/schizophreniabulletin/article/41/3/664/2375052/Mortality-in-Schizophrenia-and-Other-Psychoses-A With ten references to mortality in its notes.
A slow death with no children VS a fast death with no children, it is the same thing.
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The doctors really believe the drugs are medicine because it is written in the DSM that the drugs are a medicine (and it can not be wrong). This is very similar to those that believe in the literal interpretation of the bible.
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He and his like will still get paid. Who will defrock the Priests of the Holy molecules? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defrocking
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a PET brain scan VS a MRI brain scan.
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I don’t know about the lack of difference. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-neuroscientist-who-discovered-he-was-a-psychopath-180947814/
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If people get a basic income, either they will become drug fiends with the money or work on a project they enjoy like the arts or music. Not harming anyone, because there is no reason to. I myself do volunteer work when/if I have energy.
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Q:”How do we get more people working outside”
Answer : a general basic income. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/universal-basic-income-robots-eu-meps-unemployment-mady-delvaux-stehres-european-parliament-a7527661.html
Regarding ” a disability check or a welfare check” If I and others could launch a successful lawsuit against psychiatry and prove damages, we would get a check for the rest of our lives for the damage done/imprisonment without reasonable proof etc. The Government hired and licensed the quacks, they have to pay damages.
Besides, what skills does a 20 year long mental patient have to offer an employer? What is the mental patients motivation to work when everything has been stolen, raped and beaten from them?
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I love the video. Thank you very much for the work.
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I would say why are 1 in 4 crazy? How bad is the environment (pollution from what we see, hear and smell)? Why is the work-week so long? How bad are peoples jobs?
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People also say Jesus saved their lives. https://www.facebook.com/WhatsMyPurpose/
It is called belief or religion.
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“He who fights too long against dragons becomes a dragon himself”
There is no dragon of psychiatry. People want simple answers to the problem of madness and psychiatry supplies it to/for them.
At time index 2:51 from a Fascist Dr. Joe Schwarcz http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=972519
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Another problem most of my friends have that I forgot to mention is hand tremors that look like early Parkinson’s. With the shakes they have , I don’t know how they manage to pour water into a drinking glass without spilling.
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Welcome to the community.
I am 48 years old and was diagnosed with serious mental illness at age 19.
Dr. Wood , you fear psychiatry is making people sick.
I know psychiatry is making people sick. I know it from the evidence of brain shrinkage from the use of antipsychotics (Andreasen and others http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html)
To suggest brain shrinkage from the medicine is a good thing , is the same as saying a lobotomy is a good thing. A good thing to who?
I know psychiatry is hurting people from my friends who stayed in psychiatry for the past 30 years and who have very low intelligence today. I wonder if their decline in intelligence is from the continual use of the psychiatric drugs/medicine.
I do not take any psychiatric drugs as I am accountable only to myself. I enjoy my freedom so look after my situation to keep my freedom. If I was taking psychiatric drugs I would be unable to take care of myself (from the effects on my brain and body).
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I glanced at the Jan 4 message of Dr. Joshua Gordon.
These are people in lofty towers, I am a person on the ground.
My introduction to psychiatry was waking tied to a bed in a most powerful thirst. I was refused water and tortured. I was not given legal council.
Dr. Joshua Gordon is so far removed from reality (looking for mental illness in animals) that I would say he is “mentally ill”.
People are locked up before they commit a crime, and not given legal representation is the reality.
People are accused of being sick, then made sick by the jail (called a hospital) without due process and then by psychiatric drugs called ” medicines”. Withdrawal from the medicines is taken as “mental illness” returning the same way a drug addict goes into withdrawal when deprived of their drug.
Dr. Joshua Gordon is continuing to look for the impossible paradox , the physical cause to mental illness. Which if proven would make the problem a neurological one and no longer to be treated by any psychiatrist.
The “normal” population is too stupid, too powerless, and needs psychiatry for psychiatry’s power to lock up that crazy person they don’t like.
The only hope is those that pay for all this quackery are not happy with the results the psychiatrists produce, so stop paying.
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https://www.carolinapartners.com/ website is faulty, says Firefox.
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Regarding “Extended Leave”
It costs $1,000.00 a day in hospital(jail) VS $1,000.00 (about) a month for a disability cheque and being a prisoner outside (with an ACT team on the person).
It is all about the money.
Regarding “People are unable to access mental health care”. What does this mean? What is the action of “mental health care”?
If a person can keep themselves clean and feed themselves, there is no need for the $1,000.00 a day hospital care.
Regarding “all I have to do is pretend to be rational and respectful in the presence of power.”
Yes, this is what those with the yellow metal (gold/money) desire.
You can not pretend to be rational.
I think the trouble with writing down ones “sins” as psychiatry does, they can never be forgiven.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” Szasz.
Where in the criminal system you can do jail time to pay for your sin/crime. In psychiatry they never let you live down your mistakes when you were too emotional. Something I did/you did twenty years ago can be brought up in court as relevant evidence, which is insane. Only the current behaviour in the recent days/months is relevant to someones mental health.
A person has to forgive themselves and those around them have to forgive. Living one day at a time we try not to make a mistake again, but not being perfect machines, we inevitably sin or make errors again.
This inevitability of failure is great for the religion of psychiatry, as they can continue to make money from giving ( or forcing) the cure/help/treatment/punishment of medicine(just drugs).
AND the drugs make people crazy. A self fulfilling prophesy with no end to those that worship the holy molecules of science.
You do have to pretend worship because psychiatry ( the religion that isn’t a religion) is in power.
P.S. A jail that isn’t a jail, it’s a hospital. A drug that isn’t a drug, it’s a medicine.
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Don’t tell anyone you are withdrawing. The average person believes 100% in the magical medication. The believe in it for their own fear of madness.
If asked about it, to ease normal peoples fears, just say ” It is between me and my doctor what medicines I take”.
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First of all it is not “medication”. Medication is for true disease, where we know there is nothing wrong with the brain. The Master or the Psychiatrist calls the drugs “medications” so the prisoner-patient must also call the drugs “medications”. If the patient does not agree with the master the prisoner-patient does not get their freedom.
Regarding “antipsychotic withdrawal by understanding themselves”
My number one piece of advice is to keep a logbook of ones feelings + thoughts and daily events. Re-read from time to time. Hand written so you know it is “you” who wrote it.
Second is to get a digital camera. Use today’s technology to help establish reality from fiction. A photo rarely can lie.
Third is eat healthy and get exercise during the day.
Fourth is remember people will judge you by you appearance . If you look crazy , they will think you are crazy and treat you as if you are crazy. So look/smell clean and wear clean clothing.
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petition http://www.thepetitionsite.com/908/508/189/demand-an-end-of-antipsychotic-drugs-on-me.
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RE Education.
People believed in Bernard Madoff for many years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoff_investment_scandal
But the Pyramid scheme eventually ran out of new investors.
Using drugs continuously to deal with life’s problems does not work in the long run.
The children of today that are drugged will be unable or unwilling to work when adult. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hER0Qp6QJNU
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Your Dragon is like the Oz in the wizard of Oz. http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1910417_1910419_1910458,00.html
You have nothing to fear from the Oz.
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“why we didn’t continue”
The answer is simple, with another question “Who is making the money?”
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By 1890 there were about 100,000 ‘lunatics’.
Before modern medicine, you could attribute notable cases of insanity to epilepsy( no longer a mental illness) and syphilis ( another physical disease).
No one talks about the discovery of the four blood types, while looking for the cause of “lunatics”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Janský
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“media’s suppression of this kind of information”
You can’t openly beat the elderly into compliance/following orders, so what do they have but poison pills?
http://www.bonkersinstitute.org/medshow/thorazsenile.html
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If you think psychiatry is a religion as I do, you know a religion can not be ended, so understand change will take a very long time.
As I call psychiatry a religion and psychiatry calls itself a science, the only thing I can do to fight it, is to calmly and rationally prove psychiatry is a religion.
People have had a faith in medicine ever since the effectiveness of penicillin (magic pill) saved many peoples lives. “Before antibiotics, 90% of children with bacterial meningitis died” https://www.healthychildren.org/English/health-issues/conditions/treatments/Pages/The-History-of-Antibiotics.aspx
The devil was the one we blamed in the past for our bad behaviour. With God and Satan being dead today, it is unbalanced brain chemicals that causes our imperfections.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y
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I got to take up sky- diving before I get too old.
Drugged for “aggression and agitation.”= not following orders of your masters.
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I wish you, and everyone reading this comment a Merry Christmas.
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I am puzzled by this… “when Boston Police Captain Haseeb Hosein showed up unannounced to demand an explanation for David’s continued presence on the streets. Why, he asked, is there nowhere he can go, no hospital to take him, no one who can help? Told that David could not, by law, be committed to a hospital against his will unless he could be proven dangerous, Hosein was incredulous.” https://apps.bostonglobe.com/spotlight/the-desperate-and-the-dead/series/homelessness/
The police Captain does not know the law?
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It is very simple. Those who want the drug should get it, those who do NOT want the drug have the right to refuse.
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it is imperative to study the effects of not only short-term but also lifelong antipsychotic treatment.”
VS
it is imperative to study the effects of a drug free treatment. Give people a lawyer, tell them the crime they are accused of , before drugging them.
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“Antipsychotic drugs could shrink patients’ brains
Experts say findings should not dramatically change current prescription practices. ”
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
“According to the latest findings, the more antipsychotics patients receive, the more likely they are to have a decreased amount of grey matter.”
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Everyone hears voices but they lie about it. People have heard voices since the beginning of time.
The first one being the temptation to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden.
The choice to perform Evil or Good deeds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder_angel
If you can lie and say you do not hear voices that means you are sane.
“If we are all insane, then all insanity becomes a matter of degree. If your insanity leads you to carve up women like Jack the Ripper or the Cleveland Torso Murderer, we clap you away in the funny farm ; if, on the other hand, your insanity leads you only to talk to yourself when you’re under stress or to pick your nose on your morning bus, then you are left alone to go about your business…although it’s doubtful that you will ever be invited to the best parties.”
Stephen King, in Danse Macabre (1981).
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From the start , you have patients who are willing to be treated for their illness, and then you have prisoners(patients) who do not want the “medicinal” treatment of brain damage of electroshock or chemical lobotomy. Two vastly different peoples.
People have the problems and doctors are supposed to treat them. Doctors can not say “NO, I can’t treat that complaint.”
Demand and Supply.
What do people want? Music.
Technology solves the demand. First we had the Walkman for people who wanted music on the go, then the portable CD player. Now both are obsolete. Today we have various tiny devices to play music.
Demand and Supply for Psychiatry.
IMO the number one reason for psychiatry is a legal way to obtain drugs. Imagine a voluntary patient, how are they going to get their drugs? They need a psychiatrist to legitimize their use of drugs. The psychiatrist cleans the nastiness up. They are not taking drugs, they are taking medicine.
Number two is Pre-Crime: People feel fear or pity for the “insane”, what might they ( the mad) do?
The psychiatrist controls the mad with the fear of incarceration and with drugs ( addiction).
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The world is insane now, with the U.S. surgeon general Dr. Vivek Murthy, saying
“Science tells us clearly that addiction is a disease of the brain,” Murthy said. “It affects the circuitry of our brain that controls decision-making, impulse control and our stress and reward systems.”
The problem of freewill to choose badly or choose wisely, is not and never shall be a medical problem.
The circuitry of the brain the surgeon general writes of, is after addition has occurred for a time. Psychiatrists in the early days complained people return to their addiction after being cured, cured by being locked up.
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Psychiatrists can only be doctors if they give medicine, so there has to be medicine, and the medicine has to work.
Defining Psychiatry by Szasz http://www.szasz.com/freeman21.html
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Fear of fear , fear of losing control over ones emotions is self fulfilling. No one questions if the medications/drugs were making the patient worse, worse as consuming drugs DO make your feelings out of your control. The psychiatrist is looking for someone to save in order to play the role of Hero. Giving drugs is like setting small fires to a woods and pretending the fires will not grow in time. Give me drugs, give me drugs
Get away from the fire starter/drug dealer.
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Chemical restraints rather than visible, physical restrains for the children. Everyone can stomach giving “medicine” to the children , but not physical restraints, that is cruel.
No one feels bad for giving medicine.
Where does this end? No children from today’s children.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate
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Great work on stopping a forced drugging order.
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An article on the brain.
“The hypothalamus controls some of the basic functions of life including hormonal activity via the pituitary gland. There are several gender differences in the gland present between males and females.”
http://www.news-medical.net/health/Hypothalamus-Males-and-Females.aspx
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When you, being poor, can not afford the loss during a failed business transaction you worry. The rich people can call this worry paranoia.
Does the poor person have the money for a lawyer? “if you don’t have a refund within 14 days you will be taking legal action ”
http://www.consumerrightsexpert.co.uk/when-goods-ive-ordered-dont-arrive.html
NSFW Not safe for work language articles on the poor being screwed.
http://www.cracked.com/article_21009_5-dick-moves-your-bank-pulls-you-wont-believe-are-legal.html
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-nobody-tells-you-about-being-poor/
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Regarding delusions and hallucination of a schizophrenic.
From my perspective I was in a prison, those in power called a hospital. I was forced to take poison those in power called medicine. I had thoughts that those in power called hallucinations.
Who is the delusional one? The one who has no power.
“inner demons” is twice written in the text.
There are outer demons, and you must have money to pay the demons. Pay for your food, pay for your shelter, pay for your clothing et cetera.
How are you going to get your money?
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“The Contest” :
Insomnia and anger from lack of sex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Contest
“The Contest” was the 51st episode of the NBC sitcom, Seinfeld. The eleventh episode of the fourth season, it aired on November 18, 1992.[1] In the episode, George Costanza tells Jerry Seinfeld, Elaine Benes and Cosmo Kramer that his mother caught him unaware while he was masturbating. The conversation results in George, Jerry, Elaine and Kramer entering into a contest to determine who can go for the longest period of time without masturbating.
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The contest affects their sleep, and the remaining contestants suffer insomnia, while only the people who were eliminated can sleep peacefully.
(Jerry and George. They’re bickering at each other due to the lack of sex)
GEORGE: All you got is instant coffee? Why don’t you get some real coffee?
JERRY: I don’t keep real coffee in here, I get my coffee on the outside! (Intercom buzzes. He answers it) Yeah?!
ELAINE: (Through intercom) It’s Elaine.
JERRY: (Shouting) Come on up! (Opens his door for Elaine)
GEORGE: Where did you get those socks?
JERRY: I don’t know.
GEORGE: I think those are my socks!
JERRY: How are these your socks?!
GEORGE: I don’t know, but those are my socks! I had a pair just like that with the blue stripe, and now I don’t have them anymore!
JERRY: (Sarcastic) Oh, yeah, that’s right, well, you fell asleep one day on the sofa and I took them off your stinkin’ feet. They looked so good to me, I just had to have them!
GEORGE: Yeah, well, they’re my socks!
JERRY: They’re my socks!
(A brief moment passes as they look at each other)
GEORGE: Oh boy..
JERRY: What are we doing here..
GEORGE: ..Oh boy.
JERRY: This is ridiculous.
GEORGE: Do you believe this? We’re fighting. We’re fighting.
JERRY: I haven’t been myself lately. I’ve been snapping at everybody.
GEORGE: Me too. I’ve been yelling at strangers on the street.
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Testosterone dramatically changes the brain. To deny males have testosterone is insane. The rate of age of onset of “schizophrenia” and the increase of testosterone as a male matures seem to correspond and NO ONE TALKS ABOUT.
Testosterone in men http://www.mhhe.com/socscience/sex/common/ibank/ibank/0088.jpg
Age of onset http://www.schizophrenia.com/photos/szage.onset.gif
Anger coming from the increase in hormones is renamed “psychosis” by legal drug pushers, and the psychiatric drugs do solve the immediate problem of the animal-who-is-not-following-orders.
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You are joking? Where in the bible/torah/quran is psychiatry mentioned?
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Hope or insanity?
Copy and pasted
[Dede, 37, now hopes that he will resume a normal life after two more operations to graft undamaged skin onto his hands, feet and face.
Speaking from an Indonesian hospital, he said: “What I really want first is to get better and find a job. But then, one day, who knows? I might meet a girl and get married.” ]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1584915/Tree-man-who-grew-roots-hopes-to-marry-after-4lb-of-warts-removed.html
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The pill is the physical representation of hope. Consuming hope. I hope for a better future.
People make money on exploiting that hope.
Is the cure worse than the disease? is the question everyone must ask.
The solution coming from the bottom to the top (“people themselves need to stop believing”), or the top to the bottom?
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To Irishrover777
“thorazine and haldol were true godsends” Bullshit.
Unless you personally have had the insatiable thirst that comes from receiving Thorazine (like I have), you are literally full of shit.
The drugs are a torture, that is all.
“If you don’t obey orders we will torture you worse.” is what the hospital workers say to you the patient.
From your writing it seems you believe in the chemical imbalance theory to mental illness, because you call the drugs “medicine”. I disagree that the drugs are in fact medicine. You have to prove a deficit or chemical imbalance in the brain before you get to call the drugs “medicine”.
If someone is greatly upset , uncommunicative and unreasonable, maybe a doctor can lock them up preventatively.
The person(prisoner) has to told verbally and on paper (in a language they comprehend) what others find objectionable with the patients actions.
You describe people looking for drugs, not medicine. You want to be a legal drug dealer, go ahead.
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It reminds me of the witch test, before science existed.
“As part of the infamous “swimming test,” accused witches were dragged to the nearest body of water, stripped to their undergarments, bound and then tossed in to to see if they would sink or float.” http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/7-bizarre-witch-trial-tests
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The government is paying the bill for the drugs in most cases.
I am not paying to be poisoned and imprisoned without due process. Without the right to face my accuser of a crime I committed, or will commit in the future.(? a danger to self or others?AKA freedom)
“Americans receiving SSI and SSDI due to psychiatric disability grew from 1.25 million (1 per 184) in 1987 to 3.97 million (1 in 76) in 2007. “Whitaker.
In 2014, there were an estimated 9.8 million adults aged 18 or older in the United States with SMI. https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/prevalence/serious-mental-illness-smi-among-us-adults.shtml
3.97 to 9.8 million in seven years
If anyone knows how to put this growth into Excel or a graphics program of extrapolation, it would be cool.
In 2021 with 20 million disabled persons.”Is the government getting what it is paying for?” (permanently disabled individuals, instead of temporary) Will have to be asked.
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Typo in the writing ” Dr Lucire” not “Dr. Yolanda Lucidre, a psychiatrist from Australia,”
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I don’t want people to give up hope, that is why I wrote “don’t believe the drug side effects are permanent,”. The brain can change and heal from SSRI’s.
If people give up hope they can kill themselves or go back on the drugs.
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Don’t believe the drug side effects are permanent, for your belief can make it come true in a self fulfilling prophesy. This is a nocebo effect, the opposite of the placebo effect. What you believe in can come true.
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I am confused. What percentage of the population is SMI?
Here Whitaker writes
“the number of people receiving an SSI or SSDI payment because they had been “disabled” by a mental disorder rose from 1.25 million in 1987 to 3.97 million in 2007.” USA population 301 million
And on the official website it is written
“In 2014, there were an estimated 9.8 million adults aged 18 or older in the United States with serious-mental-illness. This number represented 4.2% of all U.S. adults.” https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/prevalence/serious-mental-illness-smi-among-us-adults.shtml
USA population 319 million.
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My life changed radically for the worst.
I lost my home of 17 years and now live in a hell.
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Studying the tail on the dog wagging.
Is it still, or is it moving?
Neuroscience will make the tail wag on its own, to make the dog feel better.
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To be more specific about power…”Where does your income come from?” not you Matt or Tabita personally, but whomever is considering telling their story.
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Regarding “If you have a compelling story to tell, don’t sit on it. Submit it here at Mad In America”
Sorry I disagree.
Many people are drugged/medicated for their unwanted behaviour, unwanted by those in power.
ONLY IF you are in a position of power can a person tell their story.
The world runs on money and if you piss off those who pay you/supply you with money, you may receive punishment. As in “Don’t rock the boat if you can’t swim”.
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Who is going to get the money?
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Resistant to change? That is simple. Those in power do not want to lose power. The victims of psychiatry die on an average 25 years sooner , so they can’t fight. The increasing percentage of the population judged mentally ill is some kind of magic that more magic pills will solve.
1955 ………………………… 3.38 per 1,000.
1987…………………………… 13.75 per 1,000
2003…………………………… 19.69 per 1,000
Only when the Government money paying for the magic pills is stopped, can/will the system change.
Won’t you help the mentally ill with medication?
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Regarding “where do you think the problem stems?”
“Minding the store” has been a problem since the beginning of time.(when not where)
Szasz explained morals (choices) are now being taken as mental illness(disease).
Some obvious ones (sins) are Gluttony, and Covetousness.
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/my-600-lb-life/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/01/politics/midway-obama-preview/
Only the sin of lack of compassion is still a valid sin.
Won’t you help the children and sick? You won’t help them with medicine? You are cruel and lack compassion.
In a war of words they (drug companies with fake research evidence) have already won.
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Regarding “why do you frame a picture of Psychiatry being so evil?”
The simple analogy is plastic surgery, and consent.
If someone wants plastic surgery for a nose they think is too big, they can pay for a surgery.
No one would force a plastic surgery on someone arbitrarily judged as needing plastic surgery for their ugly appearance.
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postscript
If you can jail people for being too thin, you also have to jail people for being too fat.
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In the case of “Mark”.
“He was nearly mute and rail-thin. But he still refused medication.” says article
The doctor could have forced a hospitalization on the basis of the physical weight of the patient. Physical proof the person is not taking care of themselves, an unsound mind.
This complaint would have to be told to him and written down on paper as your complaint.
Something he can deny or accept in court.
Why go to court? You would say. Why bother? Without the court process reality is not real.
Once in the prison perhaps the prisoner would change their behaviour in some way, perhaps a negotiation would then take place.
The immediate jump to drugs/medications is unfounded, and probably based on MONEY.
It takes time for some one to come to their senses ( proper food, sleep , cleanliness etc) , and you Doctor want them cured NOW, just like a real doctor who fixes physical illness.
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Psychiatry is about following orders, if you got problems , you get drugs. 1981 Ann Landers https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=KVwxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8qQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1081%2C123044
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“If, however, lack of insight is defined as a failure to accept an alternative view of reality, then do the rest of us lack insight, too?””
I don’t know who the “us” is, but I am not one of the us. I do not believe psychiatric drugs are in fact medicine.
The drugs are not medicine because there is nothing physically wrong with the brain of the “Prophet”.
How long does a “psychosis” really last? People get upset at being in jail the jailers call a hospital. The violence that usually occurs ( of who is if fact in Power) makes the jailers drug the Prophet. They used to use the obvious restrains of chains and straitjackets, but that was too ugly for the general public.
The general public is happy to see the drugged mental patient ( preferably drugged for life for the mentally ill can not be forgiven), but angry that the taxes they pay go towards the process.
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I did not know that the Nazis had many concentration camps , “about 20,000 camps” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazi_concentration_camps
The remaining camps today are to remember the dead.
Would anyone recreate a Nazi concentration camp for Halloween?
Hundreds of thousand of people die every year from following doctors orders and their families trust of psychiatric drugs/medicine. https://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Medicines-Organised-Crime-Healthcare/dp/1846198844
The psychiatrist/Nazi’s serve the rich peoples interests keeping law and order of preventative justice.
“Involuntary mental hospitalization and the insanity defense should be seen for what they are: symmetrical symbols of psychiatric power. In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty. Civil commitment and the insanity defense both create and confirm the impression of psychiatric expertise, where none exists. Civil commitment and the insanity defense also foster the impression that they provide a socially beneficial solution for troubling problems of human existence, when, actually both aggravate these problems.” (Szasz, 1982)
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The patients/people are in a prison that the jailers call “inpatient units”. What are you in prison for? Shouldn’t you compliment your jailers for helping you? ( before you commit your crime)
” where power differentials between patients and providers are magnified. ” LOL Who is in prison and who isn’t? Can you tell the difference? If you can you are not getting enough drugs.
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Epilepsy used to be considered mental illness until it was proven to have a physical cause.
One of the most famous shrinks was Sigmund Freud a Jew. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_Hysteria
Early psychiatry believed mental illness was in the genes. Like today, they wanted a master race. https://books.google.ca/books?id=2pduB22E43oC&lpg=PA50&ots=EPsYXcMa5K&dq=szasz%20epilepsy%20removed&pg=PA52#v=onepage&q&f=false
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If you quit drugs, any drug too quickly you have withdrawal symptoms. When in withdrawal no one can tell if it is “mental illness” or drug withdrawal.
If a person has not been taught skills to cope with life, they have no way to deal with their emotions. In my opinion, a chemical lobotomy for the rest of ones life is not the correct solution.
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100606/full/news.2010.281.html
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Sometimes voices are just ideas, like when you are trying to think of a name, several pop up, but are incorrect, you reject the inaccurate words, but the word came from someplace in your mind. Ideas come from imagination.
If you have a lot of imagination, you can have a lot of voices (ideas). In a noisy urban environment it is difficult to focus on one, and make progress on one thing at a time.
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Sad that few know of the Evil of psychiatry. It makes me think of the quote “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
Szasz wrote “, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty. ”
A 2014 paper by John Breeding used the quote here. http://sgo.sagepub.com/content/4/4/2158244014551715
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The victim has to fight for justice. In the case of ECT this is virtually impossible. Only the survivors can fight.
The false doctors do it for money and status.
If there is a Hell, they say there is a place for those who betrayed the public with their position of power.
Otherwise the living have to fight as best as they can.
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An excellently written piece.
“I make the choice to choose love. “
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Regarding “People don’t seem to care about shock”
If a person is not being personally threatened with electroshock, they have no reason to care for what medical professionals claim is medicine.
People are either for electroshock or against it. As the brain damage is deemed a medical proceedure, people can not vote it out of use.
These news articles are from the USA
1982 Voting it out http://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/05/us/city-s-electroshock-vote-affecting-treatment.html
1983 Going back in http://www.nytimes.com/1983/01/15/us/judge-voids-berkeley-ban-on-electroshock-therapy.html
Doctors, a bunch of literal idiots, can not see the physical damage from electroshock, so they do not stop it.
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First of all everyone hears voices, but lie and say they do not.
Our brain has been classified the following way.
1) Reptilian Complex / basal ganglia: Instinct (survival, breathing/swallowing/heartbeat, startle response)
2) Limbic System /Paleomammalian complex: Emotion (feelings, relationship/nurturing, images and dreams, play)
3) Neocortex (including the Prefrontal cortex)/Neomammalian complex: Thought (including planning, language, logic & will, awareness)
Listening too much versus listening too little.
People hear the voice of hunger, the voice of thirst. If people listen too much to the voice of hunger they suffer from Gluttony.
They hear voice to defecate, or the voice to micturate, or the voice to vomit. Only the homeless (might) listen to this voice and deficate and pee where ever they are. Everyone else lies and holds it in until they get to a toilet.
The voice of balance, which way is up which way is down, for the ability to walk/run or cross a stream. The voice of Vertigo.
They hear the voice of too hot and too cold. Example of cold mythbusters hand in cold water.
It is not cold is it? WHO makes you take your hand out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4kvpjQe8nw
Is it too hot out? In summer when you feel the heat outside you hear the voice.
Is it cold out? In winter when you feel the cold you hear the voice.
Then you lie to yourself and go to work.
Hear the voice of suffocation “I cant breath” or “That smells terrible, I must get away to clean air.”
Voice of fatigue, I must sleep. If people listen too much they suffer from sloth.versus I must work/a workaholic so they never have time to listen to the other voices.
Voice of sex (Lust), I must reproduce. vs Chastity. Listen too much to lust and you get a STD, too little sex as in Chastity and you don’t have children and end your family tree. Rolling Stones ” I can’t get no” goes to this feeling/sin.
Voice of envy, “I must have that!”
Voice of anger, for example while driving a car “That guy cut me off!” versus being a pushover and having no anger.
Voice of fear. too much a coward, if too little fear then foolishly brave.
Voice of love, She loves you
The person who hears the voice “Today is your wife’s Birthday, do something for her” will not be on the news, but the man who listens to his voice of anger IS on the news for violence he chose to do.
“Hearing voices” is all a trick to support the power of psychiatry.
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I do like your writing of
“Requirements for formal and documented ‘Informed Consent’ signed by the patient that includes: (1) acknowledgement that the drugs are altering otherwise normal brain physiology, “
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Writing as some one who has a history of mental illness, if a group of psychotic people you describe above can be found for a study (impossible), I would want a study of antipsychotic VS benzodiazepine (like Atavan) to reduce symmptoms.
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In regular medicine the medicinal drug is applied with reason, if these certain conditions exist , then apply this amount of drug.
If no psychotic symptoms are being exhibited then there is no reason to apply “this amount of drug”.
This is the insane bit from Psychcentral.
““How long is medication needed to treat schizophrenia?” The answer is usually: people most benefit from taking medication for schizophrenia most of their lives.”
http://psychcentral.com/lib/schizophrenia-the-challenges-of-taking-medication/
When they do not know if the returning psychotic symptoms are from the drug withdrawal or the pre-existing mental illness.
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Green spaces are known to alleviate stress and depression, walking or exercise IN GREEN SPACES is good for every human beings mind.
Green spaces ‘improve health’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8307024.stm
Urban parks offer breath of fresh air for improved health
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/urban-parks-offer-breath-of-fresh-air-for-improved-health-1.1233626
Ironic they show a picture of a stationary treadmill.
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Great comment Steve.
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It is difficult for me to find the words to express my feelings on the “Psychiatric Times” article “Quality of Life and the Case for Antipsychotics”
August 10, 2016 Ronald Pies and Joseph Pierre .
Judged as a (supposed) schizophrenic at age 19 , I now am 48 and have resisted taking the poisons the (supposed) doctors call medicine during my adult life.
I think anyone who claims these psychiatric drugs are medicines, the claimant should take the drugs themselves. “The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.” https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/145/Proving-Non-Existence
If the doctors protest and say” But I am not ill!” , that is exactly what many of the psychiatric patients claim.
The doctors will only get their freedom after three months in hospital/jail and being drugged each day.
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” a full integration of physical and mental health care systems”
You can’t put regular (scientific) medicine with mental health medicine because the psychiatrist decides what is ” healthy” and what is “ill” in mental illness.
This means the mentally ill patient does not get to decide when treatment is wrong or concluded. The mentally ill is a virtual “child”, and judged unable to make decisions on their own. This belief of incompetence can be TRUE if the patient is drugged, the brain is unable to work or think rationally due to the psychiatric medicine.
“early intervention programs”
Intervention in physical illness is great, such as stopping an infection from progressing, and reducing blood pressure so a stroke is less likely to occur.
But in mental illness, taking control of the patient ( to help them) might be the worst idea.
If I am getting too fat they will step in (force) and help me from becoming too fat?
OR
If I am getting too thin they will step in(force) and help me from becoming too thin?
“As medical scientist, the physician had to claim that badness was madness, that his object of study was not the immaterial soul or “will”, but a material object, a bodily disease.” Szasz
http://jme.bmj.com/content/27/5/297.full
If I am angry they will step in (force) and help me from becoming too angry? (drugs)
If I am sad they will step in ( force) and help me from becoming too sad? (drugs)
If I am nervous they will step in and help me from becoming too nervous? (drugs)
All the other possible emotions.
The sheep will be exploited by big pharma for as long as possible . Pharma companies make billions from selling the physical treatment for mental illness.
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People need access to legal drugs, so the profession of psychiatry exists ( to write prescriptions to voluntary patients) and will continue to exist as long as adults are considered too stupid or genetically inferior and unable to control their drug habits ( addiction).
“Telling people what they can and can’t take” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6spu2-Pwxc Szasz
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You got to call the drugs “medicines” (at 7seconds in to the video), if you don’t, you might discover we are just legal drug dealers.
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You ended with “While medication may have role to play in alleviation of symptoms of inattention and hyperactivity”.
The drugs are not medication.
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“Ruins” is a subjective term. Being in prison would be pretty bad, being homeless would be one step up from that. What his actual state is, is unknown from the bio description.
I would postulate he has no reason to live, or no purpose, or no religion. Where some one might figure out what they love and wish to support during their time here on earth.
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You don’t hear the voice of hunger do you? You must be schizophrenic.
How about the thought of butterflies in your stomach? That is quite a psychotic symptom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterflies_in_the_stomach
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Thank you.
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Thomas Szasz — ‘The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.’
I think it is about staying angry. If you do not forgive (you the stupid one), you stay with the feeling of anger, and constantly seek means for revenge or retribution.
You do not want to be naive (forget), to be taken advantage of again. You do not want to be the opposite of naive, paranoid either, unable to enjoy the present.
If you are too angry, you can’t get on with YOUR life, you are giving “free rent” to the person in your mind/head.
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Thanks for asking. No I didn’t keep a copy. It has happened before so I am use to it.
I was responding to some one who claimed mental illness can be traced to the DNA, so “sick” people must take medicine for their illness. I wrote” no” that (DNA evidence) has been disputed by Jay Joseph.
That’s about it.
Also if you go to a another computer, like the public library and search for your comment ( to confirm your opinion is out on display) you might not find it on certain websites (not this one M.I.A.).
Specifically http://www.huffingtonpost.com played this trick on me.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allen-frances/finding-a-middle-ground-between-psychiatry-and-anti-psychiatry_b_6010890.html
The comment section is now gone from the article.
Some kind of “cookie” browser history trick.
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If this is a real question . No do not speak out. Keep your job.
Like asking if Anne Frank should go up to a Nazi and announce themselves.
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On the NY times article I had a comment on display for a time, but it was removed.
I ended my comment by asking people to search for Dr Nancy C Andreasen and brain shrinkage.
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The ability to change ones (bad) habits? This kind of brain change?
Indeed I agree it is hard to change ones learned behavior. http://sciencenetlinks.com/esheets/what-are-innate-and-learned-behaviors/
Old time psychiatry thought that people who stole (thieves) were born that way.
When professional thieves just don’t get caught, or can’t be accused.
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RE:”How long should I …?”
I have no criminal record.
If you have some kind of history, those in power can claim the “medicine” is helping. I don’t know what a person does in this case. Court ordered drugging(long acting injection) takes place.
I went to the police for advice.
The police said I could ask(demand) another psychiatrist.
If you are too afraid you will not be able to do this. Many who have been tortured can not do/endure this confrontation with authority. Many can not be their own boss and need a “doctor” to talk to or confess their inner ideas(fears/worries) to.
The psychiatrist expected me to be addicted to the drugs. He wrote me a prescription-refill for several months, but I had already quit.
I never got another psychiatrist assigned to me/ you don’t show up for the appointment.
What do they do? I don’t know.
You can’t screw up once, like a normal person can make a mistake and be forgiven. The “mentally ill” are never forgiven for being human.
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Selling and forcing Anti-psychotics (drugs) is a multi Billion dollar a year business and I don’t expect those profiting would like anyone moving in on their territory.
“In 2011 alone, they and other antipsychotic drugs were prescribed to 3.1 million Americans at a cost of $18.2 billion” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/health/a-call-for-caution-in-the-use-of-antipsychotic-drugs.html
2014 top drugs were
number…
8. SEROQUEL $4.7 Billion
7. RISPERDAL $5 Billion
6. ZYPREXA $5.3 Billion
Illegal drugs http://visualoop.com/media/2015/04/Invasion-of-the-drug-cartels.jpg
But the drugs are supposed to go off patient? What is going to happen?
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Twenty years or so ago , I was on antipsychotic polypharmacy, and it was noticed by a outpatient nurse. She told me to question my psychiatrist about it. I said something to the effect of “What is the point?” ( in asking questions). It was a dictatorship.
If I recall correctly, I don’t think I was consuming them, since I was not in prison/hospital, and it wasn’t a problem. The shrink was under the delusion his prescribed “medicine” was working.
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They have lobotomies back. http://www.wired.com/2015/06/laser-psychosurgery/
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A person can not be both “schizophrenic” and employed at the same time, according to psychiatry. All reactions and behaviours of schizophrenia is “positive” symptoms and “negative” symptoms, and a person experiencing these symptoms can not work a job.
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Employed schizophrenics… Right
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I agree , one typo. it should be “undeveloped” countries not “developed”
But the second one “developing” is correct, outcomes are better in developing countries.
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We have to start somewhere, and starting by saying the drugs do not work long term is a great place. Why? Because then it will become standard practice to remove people from the medicine/drug. Then in time they will have to question the “correct” amount of time on the antipsychotic.
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You have to ask first before giving drugs/medication. Does the person want the drug/medication?
You are making the judgement the person needs drugs, not medicine.
If someone is experiencing “the worst fears” , you don’t ask how they got into that position.
When a heroin or meth addict is in withdrawal , what kind of thoughts and feelings do they have? Is the solution more Heroin and Meth?
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Emotional cost of doing “nothing.
“Sometimes The Best Thing To Do Is Nothing At All ” http://getbetterhealth.com/the-benefit-of-doing-nothing/2011.08.02
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No one profits from selling nothing ( drugs/medicine), both financially and emotionally.
Financially you know billions of dollars are being made. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/health/a-call-for-caution-in-the-use-of-antipsychotic-drugs.html
The psychiatrist who thinks himself a doctor , gets satisfaction when treating his patient. He is doing his job when prescribing. If/when he has no medicines/drugs to give, what is he to do?
Bloodletting still going on. http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2015/10/27/bloodletting-is-still-happening-despite-centuries-of-harm/
“The prominent doctor Benjamin Rush (a signer of the Declaration of Independence) set off a fury when he began bleeding people dry during the 1793 yellow fever epidemic in Philadelphia. By all accounts, Rush was a bloodletting fanatic”
Dr. Benjamin Rush the “father of American psychiatry” https://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/diseases/benjamin.html
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Regarding “History is repeating itself.”
There was a film made in Germany ” I accuse” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_klage_an
In the film a Doctor kills his handicapped wife and goes to court for the “mercy” killing.
Today people want to die when they get old and laws have been passed here in Canada to support medical killing.
http://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/barrette-chastises-muhc-administration-over-policy-not-to-provide-medically-assisted-death
The Germans were just ahead of their time.
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And from my country, Canada.
“who may carry with in them the seeds of insanity” said Dr. Hutton.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=oBYvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TqgFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6315%2C1778929
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And people were cured of mental illness back in 1912 (after they were locked up for a time, for the mental illness of drug addiction). https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=0wZFAAAAIBAJ&sjid=i48DAAAAIBAJ&pg=2358%2C6584128
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Here is a link to the newspaper archive for those who disbelieve .
“Insanity Menaces Present Civilization”
Dr Joseph Dejarnette complains.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=StVNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uYoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3510%2C1557962
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Frank wrote “now you’ve got psychiatric drugs to create abnormalities such as are not found in nature. ”
And they want more drugs to fix the abnormalities ( the psychiatrist made with drugs). If you look at Dr. Andreasen http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/health/research/16conv.html
Who will stop the psychiatrists from helping people/children with drugs?
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I needed a comma in that sentence.
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Same day (July 15) as I posted this on Mindhacks. https://mindhacks.com/2016/07/15/the-science-of-urban-paranoia/
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Any discussion of mental illness before the discovery of the four blood types and syphilis, is like discussing the flavor of the cheese that is in the moon.
blood types https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Janský
syphilis “The causative organism, Treponema pallidum, was first identified by Fritz Schaudinn and Erich Hoffmann in 1905. The first effective treatment (Salvarsan) was developed in 1910 by Paul Ehrlich, which was followed by trials of penicillin and confirmation of its effectiveness in 1943.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syphilis#History
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Regarding shorter life span of the mentally ill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Mental_illness
click on the tiny number to read the references
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Police hear a voice. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2986597/Toddler-improving-14-hours-upside-car-river.html
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Ever get out of the noisy city and get to a quiet place in nature?
Do you still “hear” voices in that environment?
There is a direct relationship between living in a noisy city and the percentage of the population that “hears voices”.
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A prison that isn’t a prison.
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Believing a (first) diagnosis without a second or third opinion is a mistake, both in psychiatry and in the prediction of death.
A doctor (Dr. Paul Saba) is contesting the new law on the grounds of the percentages of bad diagnosis.
“He argued the medical field is filled with errors in diagnoses and prognoses and too often patients are making the difficult choice of dying based on erroneous facts.” http://globalnews.ca/news/2815494/opponents-of-assisted-dying-law-ready-for-court-challenge/
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Of course I agree, children ( under legal age of 18- depending where you live) can not give consent.
How do you get your children to grow up? I have sympathy for the parents of children , children who do not follow the rules.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-charges-for-louisiana-mom-who-whipped-sons-after-robbery-schaquana-spears/
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regarding “stop my drugs”. This is their faith, the magical molecule. You should not confront it because YOU are not in a position of power. The only thing you can do ( if you and your helper have opposite opinions) is divorce.
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“therapy” is not a problem if it is voluntary.
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I wonder what the drugs did to his brain? Can it be fixed as easily as removing (unwanted) breast tissue? I don’t think so. The brain made the hormone-chemicals necessary for breast growth.
Psychiatry-medicine making people worse off than they were before the “treatment”.
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Psychiatrist Amit Etkin is talking neurology, it is no longer psychiatry if it is a measurable brain defect.
Also the patient should have the choice to receive treatment ( for the defect) or not, which will not work with psychiatry.
Psychiatry owns the patient and decides for the patient what is “correct”.
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Szasz wrote the mental ill person is a moral agent, but a person can not be themselves while drugged(medicated), withdrawing from drugs(medications), or has brain damage from drugs(medications).
That they still use the word “medications” tells a story.
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Myself, I use science to log my days like a seafaring captain. My photos and my own notes can not be forgotten.
In my case, my mother and father (who were not educated) believe anything a doctor tells them. They were told I was ill at age 19 ( which was true) but my parents assumed I was “mentally ill” once again, any time I was greatly upset after that first incident. Any parent wants to protect their child, and out of fear of the future will drug and institutionalize their child. A power struggle. When is the child an adult? The mother and father do not want to relinquish control. Psychiatry serves the mother and father, keeps their child a child forever.
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From the article
“To participate, the N.Y.U. team told her, she first had to stop taking all her medications. But the study had several false starts, requiring her to stop taking medication, then restart, then stop again — and restart.”
Imagine the mind of the one taking the drug of nicotine/smoking or coffee, then quitting , then starting.
This is with the assumption the brain can heal from all the adaptations it made when on the drug/medicine. ” brain cells grow more adenosine receptors, which is the brain’s attempt to maintain equilibrium” http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/this-is-how-your-brain-becomes-addicted-to-caffeine-26861037/#ajkSsWzAV8y9eBiH.99
Receptors which it has to remove when quitting, then put back when on the drug, then remove when quitting.
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Thanks Dr.Moncrieff for attempting to bring science/evidence into psychiatry.
An idea to get the long term use of antipsychotics in the field of discussion is the number of persons/patients on the medicine/drug. Sales of $18 Billion dollars a year in antipsychotics , says Doctor Friedman 2012 (USA) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/health/a-call-for-caution-in-the-use-of-antipsychotic-drugs.html
This number of people combined with the reported reduction of average life span of the mentally ill. In combination with “brain shrinkage is obviously a hugely significant issue ”
Doctor Frances writes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allen-frances/having-a-severe-mental-illness-means-dying-young_b_6369630.html
Anecdotal evidence of myself, diagnosed with serious mental illnesses (SMI) at the age of 19, I am now 48, do not take antipsychotics and I am doing relatively well. (stable)
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Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak,
men mistook magic for medicine; now,
when science is strong and religion weak,
men mistake medicine for magic.
– Thomas Szasz
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On the subject of ADHD (not Doctor Frances) 2012″ Why French Kids Don’t Have ADHD” https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/suffer-the-children/201203/why-french-kids-dont-have-adhd
Raising children is very difficult, specially today.”Mom Whips Child For Breaking In House… Goes To Jail” http://wild1063.iheart.com/onair/big-daddy-afternoon-jumpoff-2862/mom-whips-child-for-breaking-in-14845429/
The law of supply and demand is at play.
•“No one explains where this disease [ADHD] came from, why it didn’t exist 50 years ago. No one is able to diagnose it with objective tests. It’s diagnosed by a teacher complaining or a parent complaining. People are referring to the fact that they don’t like misbehaving children, mainly boys, in the schools. The diagnosis helps tranquilize the parent, tranquilize the school system. It offers them the sense that they are doing something about the problem, that they are dealing with it in a rational, scientific way. It’s a kind of pharmacological magic.” Szasz
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In treating a NON physical disease with physical means, you create a physical problem. How elementary. Who is going to be held accountable for this quackery? Like police do not police themselves. Doctors must police themselves better.
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The Boston Globe June 23 article says “prescribed medications” several times without asking what the magical medication is in chemical form. Medication is for disease, the mind (a non physical object) can not be diseased.
Try to find a “sane” murder, is there such a thing? All acts of violence are inherently insane.
The first story, the 35-year-old adult son named Lee should not have been living with his mother obviously. He is not wearing a shirt in the screen capture ( November) showing his adult chest hair.
Lee should have been getting a disability cheque for his mental illness. He should have used that to rent an apartment.
If he was not intelligent/diligent enough to pay the rent on time, the Government usually takes care of the intellectually handicapped.http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/intellectual-disability-mental-retardation
No one questions the psychiatric “medications” making him worse ( inability to think logically/rationally) instead of “better”.
The drugs are not working, more drugs! Who is insane?
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Thank you Jay Joseph, for your work .
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Precrime was done in “Minority Report” . Everybody runs! What are you running for?
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As a joke , RE ” called crazy in a crazy world?” In math minus × minus two negatives make a positive: (−3) × (−2) = 6
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To break the Monopoly, former patients who do not continually take the psychiatric drugs-meds (and are reasonably recovered) have to be published and demonstrated to the public.
But as all are sinners, anyone can have a mistake or bad day at any time. No one is a perfect flawless machine.
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The people with the money, the yellow metal, make the rules.
The word “medication” has been mutilated by those who define reality.
“The patient’s prognosis without these medications: poor.”
The false doctors define poisons as helpful “medicine”, where in the past (before the drugs discovery) they would put the accused person in shackles, handcuffs and/or leg cuffs to prevent them from action.
As long as the world is stupid enough to believe the psychiatric poisons are medicines ( people are stupid) the system of giving “medicine” (invisible shackles) to stop “bad” behavior will continue.
Only with first hand experience of the psych drugs does a person know they are not medicines.
I agree with “forced treatment” but it should be called by its true name of “preventive detention”. Where there has to be a reasonable amount of evidence the person is about to commit a crime or has already committed a crime. http://www.britannica.com/topic/preventive-detention
If I say to many people I am going to kill some one else, such as Mr Smith, I can be arrested. Similarly if I say to many people I am going to kill myself, the Government has to stop me from harming myself. http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/criminal-threats.htm
Unless people have the right to kill themselves (autonomy), which they can, but only with a doctors permission. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/assisted-dying-bill-senate-approval-1.3640195
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You are schizophrenic if you are not kissing my (Doctors) ass.
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In my boredom of class I turned to vandalism. I didn’t know or think of it as vandalism at the time. I induced metal fatigue (to failure, they fell out) on the pieces of metal on ventilation of the heater cover on the wall. Other bored children joined in the anarchy-secret rebellion . The heater looked a bit like this http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/111221090742-air-conditioner-cnn-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg
One size fits all classroom/ too many children for one teacher.
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Psychiatry is exploiting peoples “Hope” in this age of Godlessness.
People need something to believe in, something physical to hope on that will “fix” them.
Been around since Moses turned the Golden calf into a powder and made the people eat it. http://biblehub.com/exodus/32-20.htm
If the drug isn’t working, what layman can challenge a doctor?
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To be an inmate, you have to be a criminal, most are defined as a “patient”. Words have meaning , the meaning is enforced by the court system, if we use the technically “wrong” word it creates confusion.
“Inmate” is from the person in jails perspective, but this perspective is not correct according to those psychiatrists (who are in power). The person is receiving medicinal help, not (punitive) punishment.
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What is the root of evil? I would say (mankind’s invention of) Money, and money is not going to go away any time soon.
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In 1940’s Germany when the Nazis were in power everyone went along with the Action T4 program out of fear they themselves might be selected. Clemens von Galen had the power to speak and bravely did so http://www.emersonkent.com/speeches/the_murder_of_unproductive_persons.htm
My major problem with psychiatry is the continual medication( drugging) of its patients/slaves.
Drugged to prevent a possible “bad” future. Fear of the future makes a bad future.
The declining birth rate in most industrial countries means the machine may end by the lack of children who have the desire and ability to perform as their mother/father did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_rate
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Asking the slaves what they don’t like about their chains, right.
You do want a medication for your disease don’t you?
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If only Matthew de Grood could have been put in jail before he committed his crime, everyone says.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/calgary-man-found-not-criminally-responsible-in-stabbing-rampage/article30149179/
No one asks what was done to his brain ( by psychiatric medicine) before he lost his rational thought. “Neuroleptic-induced supersensitivity psychosis” written by Chouinard G, Jones BD, Annable L. : Am J Psychiatry. 1978
He is back on the magical medication now.The system is perfect. A perfect confidence job.
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Regarding psychiatrists helping patients reduce or get off the psychiatric drugs.
From my personal experience , if I said to my psychiatrist “I want to reduce the dosage” the psychiatrist would do the opposite and want to increase the dosage.
Psychiatry is not a doctor and patient relationship as they sell. It is a master and slave relationship , for there is no physical disease in the “patient”.
You can not judge yourself sane ( if you were insane you would not know it: ones confidence is so high), another person or group can judge your actions as sane or insane.
The question “How do we remove the power from a group that has dissonant cognizance?”
We can’t. There is no way to stop a religion( that isn’t a religion because we say so), a religion entrenched in law. A psychiatrist determines if someone is responsible for a crime. Did they know wrong from right? Why did they do the crime? before even a trial is heard. If there is too much evidence of guilt , they must be crazy. If the person can lie, and is lying about a crime, then it can go to court.
The lackadaisical response of Dr Frances : “Don’t know. I will pull if you like”. Is because his life is not on the line. He and the profession of psychiatry are making billions of dollars and are unstoppable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revolutions_and_rebellions
Putting people in jail after their crime VS putting people in jail BEFORE they commit a crime.
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For the mocking, state the plain truth. For example in the medical procedure of Electroshock they use up to 450 volts on the brain , while the normal brain voltage is in the microvolt range of 0.0001 volts.
Some say ECT is targeted, but where exactly is mental illness located in the brain?
They claim medicine for a chemical imbalance, but what tests were performed to detect this chemical imbalance? ( just drugs)
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“The reservoir has dropped to a record low this week, at just five feet above the “catastrophe point” at which the turbines will stop turning and risk breaking down.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/27/venezuela-declares-a-2-day-workweek-because-of-dire-energy-shortages/
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Yes they really are that stupid. And they get paid for it. No accountability for their actions.
“Brain chemical imbalances” is what they are selling, and the slave has to buy it or else.
Reasons for behavior would make the patients human beings, and not “chemical imbalances” to be fixed.
Take this magic pill. “I (need to) believe I am helping you with this magic pill” the stupid one thinks. I call psychiatry a religion for the faith they have in the pills to magically do good things ( instead of bad things).
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Recognizing the trauma they are inflicting on their own prisoners?
On e of my worst tortures from psychiatry was being “inpatient” and having to listen to jackhammers all day long, at random intervals ( from construction work in the hospital). At a sound level that made it impossible to have a conversation during the session of jack-hammering.
In a normal world this sound-noise exposure would be called torture as I could not leave the (prison) hospital, while all the employees could come and go as they wish.
The people working in the psych ward are monsters, to have allowed the patients to be subject to the torture. My Post Traumatic Stress Disorder came from the “healers” prison, that they call a hospital.
Because the torture was from sound, the proof is very difficult to provide to a legal body as evidence of damages.
If you have a recording of a sound-noise you can use a program named Audacity to make a visual representation of the sound-noise recorded. With this visual display, you can show the duration of time of the noise and the intensity.
Examples of
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Audacity-Screenshot.jpg
or
http://www.thebest3d.com/audacity/2hard-inAudacity.jpg
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Delusion? The whole world is in a delusion about how much methane and carbon dioxide we can dump into the atmosphere. The whole world is in a delusion about all the plastic we dump into the ocean.
Is the weather normal where you are?
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You made the best response. “slaves who resist slavery”.
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I had a serious skin reaction to antipsychotics. It was written in my medical papers.
Ironically it was disbelieved by my new psychiatrist who then re-prescribed the medication-drug-poison.
The psychiatric labels once written down in medical papers becomes unquestionable truth ( a broken leg is a broken leg forever), but the reaction to the drugs written down is not?
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You are a diseased leper aren’t you? No?
Aren’t all of your behaviours just positive and negative symptoms of mental illness? You can’t do anything right because you don’t make choices, you have an illness.
You reject you label of witchcraft? How dare you!
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Olden days described here http://cantonasylumforinsaneindians.com/history_blog/early-madness/
I assume everyone has trial before a jury , before being punished for crimes, and you can’t put people in prison for crimes you believe they will perform some time in the future.
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No one mentions voluntary patients versus forced. The commenters are as crazy as the people they feel the need to help. No one asks ” Was this person always mentally ill?”.
Many use the term “schizophrenia” as if it means something.
Headlines are funny.
“Psychiatric Institutions Are a Necessity” It is a jail that isn’t a jail.
“The Mentally Ill Need Supportive Affordable Housing” if a person is “mentally ill” they can not look after themselves and where they live. If a person can look after themselves and where they live, are they mentally ill? No , so then they don’t qualify for assistance.
“How to Keep the Mentally Ill From Getting Behind Bars” Ridiculous. If someone breaks a serious enough law, yes they have to go behind bars for the protection of people in society that can follow the rules. Law too tough or too weak? Change the law.
“We Need Better Funding for Mental Health Services. The answer is not simply to build more psychiatric facilities, but rather to fulfill the promise of deinstitutionalization by providing effective treatment ” What is effective treatment? More drugs? Drugs for life? plus “People with mental illnesses have unique needs, and their overrepresentation in jail, prison and other ill-equipped settings is a national tragedy.” Over representation? If a person is not fitting into the Capitalism system they get named “mentally ill” by a modern day priest.
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I thought he was a Jehovah’s Witness , so I’ll wait until the coroner report comes out on the cause of death.
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in the opening paragraph “Psychiatry is no exception.” to randomized controlled trials.
Yes psychiatry is an exception. There is no physical disease in mental illness. We attribute reasons to sane behaviour (choices) and causes to “insane” behaviour(chemical imbalances).
Does anyone remember “Facilitated communication”? Many people believed in it until it was proven false.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facilitated_communication
All psychiatry is ( at best), is supplying legal drugs to people in crisis. Legal drug dealers for the people who who are not capable of choosing their own drug and (drug) quantity.
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Great article. I totally agree that good outcomes have different definitions. The drug industry standard of taking drugs regularly ( a chemical lobotomy) is NOT in my definition of a good outcome. That would be a living death, and if you are not perfect, many are not perfect, an emotional outburst can force ( court order) people to be poisoned (medicated) for the rest of their life. A “normal” person can make a mistake and be punished in civil court or criminal court, a person with a history of mental illness needs “medication” for his/her mistakes. ( for the rest of their life). We are HELPING people! . right. not.
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Regarding the 6
1)‘Does the patient have a severe and enduring mental illness?’
The illness is given by the doctors and medical workers, it endures from external stigma (family friends) and internal stigma-belief of being diseased because a doctor said you were sick. If the patients is not being MADE mentally ill (every day) from the psychiatric drugs. As long as you take drugs you have limited insight into your actions and behaviour. Cause and effect is limited . If you perform well that day do you feel it/if you perform badly that day do you feel it?
2‘Is this illness or behaviour?’
illness would be a chemical imbalance causing (for example) the face to contract (TD or neuroleptic malignant syndrome), versus choices a person makes from freewill.
There is not just 2, there is the third one of unconscious behaviour, such as a accidentally being late ( always) or accidentally breaking something from unconscious(suppressed) anger.
3‘It would be unethical to withdraw his antipsychotic medication; he has a definite diagnosis of schizophrenia’
They would have to face the brain disease they have caused by giving drugs to an innocent person if they withdrew the drugs.“Neuroleptic-induced supersensitivity psychosis” written by Chouinard G, Jones BD, Annable L. : Am J Psychiatry. 1978 Nov;135(11):1409-10
4‘I suspect there may be a lurking depression’
Everyone who is no longer a child has something to grieve over, which if dwelled on , can be called depression.
5 ‘If you don’t accept treatment you’ll give me no option other than to section you’
Same a the drug dealer saying if you don’t use my drugs I ‘m gonna bust your head open.
6‘We’ll keep on tweaking the medication until we get it right’
The religion of drugs, that everyone says are medications. People can not see the difference between a drug and a medicine. How a drug becomes a medicine magically when it is prescribed by a doctor. Which all leads back to who defines what illness is. Can the disease be seen in a unbiased blood examination? Is it a disease?
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hey hey people the doctor has only been accused, he hasn’t been convicted of a crime yet.
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Lock someone in a prison (everyone calls a hospital) , then complain the prisoner is not getting better.
How about putting someone ill where it looks (sight) beautiful, smells beautiful and sounds beautiful? Our three major senses.
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A hopeful article, speaking the truth. Putting sunlight on mold to kill it.
Drugging/poisoning people to get them to function does not and can not work.
In the Bible
Luke 13:6. He also spoke this parable: “A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.
“Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, ‘Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?’
“But he answered and said to him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. ‘And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.’ ”
Psychiatry is not fixing peoples minds with their drugs (fertilizer) , and is making people worse.
The thousands not dead but still living while on poisons is proof.
A person can not do good works or bad works while being poisoned.
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Wikipedia reports Ivan Illich died at age 76. I would rather die with my mind-reason intact, than suffering for years of dementia.
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WTF are you talking about ? “Parents are usually to blame for their childs mental illness”.
The child is blamed. The child has a brain chemical imbalance . The child must be on medication (not the parents). The parents do not take the blame, if they did , they would take the magical medications.
My uneducated parents believe whatever a doctors tells them, and believe their defective DNA made me, their child mentally defective-ill.
What groups or individuals dominate the conversation? The ones who are not locked up ( people call hospitalized) and the ones who are not poisoned silent (people call given medicine).
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Why are past experiences not talked of? The we-have-a-medicine/ magic pill industry is worth billions of dollars a year is why.
Those who separate themselves from the mentally ill also need the idea-excuse of a DNA error or brain chemical imbalance to keep themselves apart from the ill, keep the illusion that medicine is being performed , not a persons soul is in conflict or damaged.
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Regarding “… cause a lot of people to stop taking their medications.”
Don’t you worship the holy molecules of science that can only do good? ( joking)
T. Szasz wrote that people are moral agents , responsible for their actions.
That neither the pro-drug psychiatrists or the anti-drug psychiatrists treats the patient-subject as a responsible moral agent.
I having willing and unwilling consumed the psychiatric drugs, know the drugs can affect the mind. That is the drugs design-intent.
A person can not be a moral agent when under the influence of drugs ( or withdrawing from).
And they call out for more DRUGS.
“2: we need to find other drugs that work on other systems and parts of the brain” Dr. Nancy C. Andreasen
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/health/research/16conv.html
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I tried to make an evidence based psychiatry addition to Wikipedia but other editors were offended by my statement of fact of the billions of dollars are made by those that invent the diagnosis.
In theory I could appeal to other Wikipedia editors , but I do not know the protocol procedure.
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Those that prescribe legal drugs are all parasites on the public, just the same as an illegal drug dealer. When there is no one left to keep society going the confidence trick (drugs for life) will collapse under its own weight.
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I had a similar experience with feeding birds during the winter. I think birds are look beautiful and sound beautiful and started feeding them with a bird feeder in the fall. Then the birds depended on the food. In the icy cold winter only I could help keep them alive . Every winter day I checked to see the snow and ice was clear of the openings for the seed in the feeder and made sure they had access to food. This helped me to survive winter.
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whales have stomach full of plastic http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/30/plastic-debris-killing-sperm-whales
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Regarding “go around completely denying someone that has depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety, etc”
Yes people have profound sadness that can be called depression.
Yes people can have rapid mood changes know as bipolar disorder, that may be due to the environment,hormones and what the eat.
Yes people can have too much fear or too much worry otherwise know as anxiety.
Yes people can seek legal drugs for these problems.
The Nazis killed people in the belief their genome was defective. The only thing that can manifest from a genetic problem is a physical problem , not a mental problem.
The current psychiatric belief of drugs for life is wrong and killing people, and shortening millions of peoples lives.
The Nazis of today are looking for, but can not find, mental illness in the genome.
It is all about following orders. If you are following orders, you are not mentally ill.
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This brain and stomach connection should be studied in the cause of child “mental illness” (1 in 60 autistic) of today.
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The online form asks for an “Organization Name
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There is no such thing as an antipsychotic. Psychotic is a subjective point of view of behaviour.
I agree with the other commenters who minds boggle at the use of poisons in people who are already sick.
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The sad truth is that many of the slaves ( to drugs) do not want to be free. Many of the psychiatrists forced on me ( for my medical problem-joke), I would call them evil. Evil to need to dominate my mind with poison, rather than talk to me with reason.
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Regarding “How is biological psychiatry still a thing?”
There is no one to hold the psychiatrists accountable for the long term outcomes of the patients. Biological psychiatry makes billions of dollars a year.
$18 Billion dollars a year in antipsychotics. Source (I disagree with forcing physically healthy people to consume drugs, but the link states billion dollar numbers)http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/health/a-call-for-caution-in-the-use-of-antipsychotic-drugs.html
$11 Billion dollars a year in antidepressants. source http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/06/prescribing.aspx
$10 Billion dollars a year in stimulant drugs. Source http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/health/the-selling-of-attention-deficit-disorder.html?pagewanted=all
$ unknown. Tranquilizer drugs. benzodiazepines/klonopin/diazepam/Valium/Xanax
+$39 Billion total just for the USA.
Who wants the slaves free?
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Google search says the name was Victory Gyory
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Thanks for the story detail. I had heard of it but not know the exact name of the victim.. The date of birth of the man Victor is confusing to the story to me.
1969 is the year of the story.
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Once everyone knows there are no brain chemical imbalances, the legitimacy of psychiatry might also be in question.
“To distinguish himself from the doctor of divinity ( a religion), the doctor of medicine could not simply claim that he was protecting people from sin,” Szasz on “Mental illness: psychiatry’s phlogiston” http://jme.bmj.com/content/27/5/297.full
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There is no such thing as psychosis. No virus, no bacteria, and no molecule.
An altered state of mind comes from living in an alien polluted city with todays technology.
Exercise ( the reduces illness) indicates we human are animals like all the other animals on the planet that don’t live in a polluted city with technology.
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Who put that F-ing art on? The purple person? dated 31 May 2005
That is such bullshit.
If you have someone with a medical diagnosis of Alzheimer’s , you don’t put their childish art along with an article on Alzheimer’s.
That art is to alienate “normal” people from the “schizophrenic” one.
Get any normal person to draw some art ( who has limited skill) and how different would it look ?
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@RamonaAStone
RE” messages from the radio” from drug withdrawal. Anyone who quits a mind altering drug with have withdrawal symptoms.
If your friend goes off the psych drugs out in the quiet country and does not have a radio to listen to, he can not get any messages.
If he/she was out in the country and had to work daily on a farm from sunrise to sunset, he/she would be likely to sleep the night through from exhaustion.
The luxury of a radio and the money to take a cab from Albany to NYC (from a crazy idea), did not exist 150 years ago.
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Great article, but IMO you have to be careful about using the word “medication”.
You wrote “Optimal health is not possible through medication.” This statement is wrong in physical illness.
You have to write “Optimal health is not possible through psychiatric medication.”
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Regarding ” The main outcome for the study will be people’s levels of social functioning.”
Right.
A set up for failure if you ask me.
I as a mental patient, a scapegoat of my/for my family dysfunction will still exist if I am medicated or not medicated.
My mother and fathers conviction that I am mentally ill (because a doctor told them so) will continue.
If un-drugged I would say more conflict will occur. The whole point of the psychiatric drugs is to get the person stupid , apathetic and easy to control by those in authority.
Those in authority (paying the bills to get a docile patient) are not going to like the outcome.
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Article couldn’t call the psychiatry drugs , drugs. The drugs have to be (called) medicine because they come from a doctor.
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you are full of it
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“parents are … told that their child has a brain disease, that they need drugs” from BPDtrans
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“Mothers and fathers blame themselves, but that is another matter, and indeed they blame themselves for almost anything.” from the article
Don’t you believe in the magical medication? Psychiatry is a religion of worship of magical pills.
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I enjoy my full cognition off of the meds/drugs/poisons. “Psychotic” is a fiction, the only question is how functional are you in this crazy world? You can only look after yourself with intelligence, if meds/drugs/poisons deprive you of your intelligence, you are doomed to failure.
A life drugged, is no life at all.
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Noam Chomsky believes in mental illness, and locking up the mentlly ill. I do not have a reference at hand, but I do not think you can look to him for support .
Many people do not want `”freedom of speech” of those they do not like.
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Putting people in jail before they commit a crime is insane.
Drugging people for life so they can not commit a crime is insane.
Psychiatry gets paid for both and will continue to be paid.
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin
“Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves”
― Abraham Lincoln
Like preachers quote from bible references
John 8:32 “And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
Doctors/Psychiatrists use references to previously published material as if it was fact.
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I worry how this “app” separates people into two different groups, and gives doctors an excuse to drug people to “help” them (the different ones), when the legal drugs cause the (serious) brain malfunction . Selling drugs and more drugs.
Don’t stop the drugs right?
Antipsychotic drug reduces the size of a brain region that controls movement and coordination
“Within a day, volunteers’ brains returned to almost their original size as the effects of the single haloperidol dose subsided. Meyer-Lindenberg says this result should alleviate fears that the drug destroys brain cells. “We know it’s not killing neurons because the brain rebounds,” he says.
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100606/full/news.2010.281.html
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Voices of worry and fear… voices of anger, voice of envy, “I must have that!” so many voices…
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Do not revenge. They think they are helping people with their religion of magical chemicals. If you are violent ( a normal healthy response to an insult) , it proves their prognostication. https://dlinkwaxingdigital.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/crystal-ball.jpg
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prescription pads? you mean jails?
Once in the jail that isn’t a jail (because those in authority call it a hospital), what is the warden and guards to do with upset prisoners? They have to drug them/give them “medicine”.
You have to tell someone what they are doing wrong, you can’t just put them in prison and give them magical chemicals. http://psychcentral.com/ask-the-therapist/2007/04/30/how-do-you-confront-a-schizophrenic/
“Nothing good or productive can come from such a confrontation.”
“Involuntary mental hospitalization and the insanity defense should be seen for what they are: symmetrical symbols of psychiatric power. In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty.”Szasz
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Yes to the “Insubordination is their (the behavior police/people like Allen Frances) justification for throwing people into the loony-bin”
The problem of free will versus real brain disease (an actual physical problem with the functioning of the brain).
The delusional Dr Allen Frances believes the drugs are medicine.
This is all coming from hunting the woozle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woozle_effect
The psych doctors can not admit to making a mistake in the past and very few can hold them accountable.
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Sorry for the spelling errors.
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Screening everyone for Diabetes would be a good idea as it is both a medical matter and their is science to a treatment based on valid chemistry.
Screening everyone for depression like Vivek Datta, MD, MPH writes is not a “thing” that that simply exists in a vacuum. Depression is an idea . There is no science to confirm near 100% reliability. The treatment after a diagnosis of depression is not 100% successful, as there are no chemicals to correct.
To myself this looks like mandatory religion. Everyone must worship the magical chemicals of psychiatry that “treat” depression.
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It is who has the power. If the Hare Krishna had the power to do “depression screenings” they would. They would then expand their following. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA7C2uADjzk
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You didn’t read Dr Allen Frances words.
“Far too many people who need drugs don’t take them — either because treatment is unavailable or because they don’t realize or accept the fact that they need it.
So we are trapped in the cruel, dumb, and sometimes tragic paradox that the wrong people often take meds, while the right ones don’t.”
This is the opposite of your opinion of “I think people should have the right to refuse unwanted treatment.”
This all comes from medicine having the burden to deal with the mentally ill, or those who are not obeying orders. Why aren’t you obeying orders?
It is all about obeying orders. Be the cog in the machine that is consuming and poisoning the natural resources of the planet. “‘Doomsday Clock’ remains at 3 minutes to midnight amid ‘serious danger'” http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/doomsday-clock-1.3421856
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Some people say the drugs are neither good or bad… say that again?
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You got the spelling wrong, you mean Satan, not santa. There is no evil molecule, virus or bacteria.
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“Climbing Out of a hole” is something I tried to do, but everyone kicks you back in.
Define or be defined “In the animal kingdom, the rule is, eat or be eaten; in the human kingdom, define or be defined.” Szasz.
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Regarding ” A dark-skinned person of African descent is identified by “white” society”
I don’t know about this story of Rachel Dolezal “White woman ‘posed as black civil right leader’ in years-long deception” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11670528/White-woman-posed-as-black-civil-rights-leader-in-years-long-deception.html
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/13/rachel-dolezal-i-wasnt-identifying-as-black-to-upset-people-i-was-being-me
and “Black people cannot simply decide to stop identifying as Black”
are you 49% black or 51% Black? Who decides?
Native Americans are kicking non natives off their land using the 50% rule.http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mohawks-seek-to-remove-non-natives-from-kahnawake-1.2736555
I disagree with “hardwired into our collective DNA”
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Voluntary VS involuntary is not relevant to my comment. A doctor is supposed to heal in the same way Jesus healed the sick. As there is no physical illness in mental illness the psychiatrist is far closer to playing the role of “Jesus” than a doctor of (physical) science.
That the psychiatric medication “work” is a subjective point of view, similar to asking a fox if he guards the chickens correctly. Of course the fox will report he is doing a good job. There is no one to contest the fox’s report but the fact of the increase of the chicken population, and the increase of sickness in the chickens.
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No one is white. No one is black. People are different colors, ask any innocent child. Only the cartoon character the “Joker” is white.
No one is permanently “mad”, but yes all humans can sin. In the past sins were forgiven. In psychiatry they are written down and recorded, never to be forgot.
Psychiatry is a confidence trick. The elitists needed a valid scientific claim to their genetic superiority to the common folk, who they kill, steal from and mistreat for money.
““You will Do well to try to Inoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts, as well as to try every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Inexorable Race.” Lord Amherst 1763 letter to Colonel Bouquet.
A “Black” person self identifies as black, and names himself black. A “Gay” person self identifies as gay, and names himself gay.
A “Mad” person is named mad by a fraudulent doctor, who is in perpetual fear of an unknown future.
To abate the fear of the future the doctor poisons the person/patient/prisoner in the present moment, to prevent a possible “bad” outcome. The act of poisoning in the present moment fulfills the prophesy of doom.
I don’t agree with separating people on preconceptions or on prejudice ( judging people before they have done anything good or bad).
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Is there enough Jesus’s to heal the sick with magical medications?
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Happened across another news article of a FAILURE, first sold as a success.
Chantal Remeny alive in 2006
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-on-switch/article18161067/
Chantal Remeny dead in 2009
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?n=chantal-remeny&pid=125450309
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Great list of Myths. Thanks! Thanks for contributing to science and making a stand on what is fact and fiction.
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These are the references cited in the article that may be used as new evidence of “safe and effective”.
1. Baldinger P, Lotan A, Frey R, et al. Neurotransmitters and electroconvulsive therapy. J ECT. 2014; 30:116-121.
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(old) 3. Michael N, Erfurth A, Ohrmann P, et al. Metabolic changes within the left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex occurring with electroconvulsive therapy in patients with treatment resistant unipolar depression. Psychol Med. 2003;33:1277-1284.
4. Merkl A, Schubert F, Quante A, et al. Abnormal cingulate and prefrontal cortical neurochemistry in major depression after electroconvulsive therapy. Biol Psychiatry. 2011;69:772-779.
(old) 5. Pfleiderer B, Michael N, Erfurth A, et al. Effective electroconvulsive therapy reverses glutamate/glutamine deficit in the left anterior cingulum of unipolar depressed patients. Psychiatry Res. 2003;122:185-192.
6. Haskett RF. Electroconvulsive therapy’s mechanism of action: neuroendocrine hypotheses. J ECT. 2014;30:107-110.
7. Farzan F, Boutros NN, Blumberger DM, Daskalakis ZJ. What does the electroencephalogram tell us about the mechanisms of action of ECT in major depressive disorders? J ECT. 2014;30:98-106.
8. Bouckaert F, Sienaert P, Obbels J, et al. ECT: its brain-enabling effects: a review of electroconvulsive therapy–induced structural brain plasticity. J ECT. 2014;30:143-151.
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Regarding “who are hoping for some sort of relief.” in the twelve 12th paragraph from the top.
People have been struggling with the burden of knowledge since man/woman ate of the tree of knowledge, or if you like since Homo sapiens developed a higher intelligence. If people come to you looking for help, you do the best you can.
I am 47 years old, designated seriously mentally ill at the age of 19. At my local hospital, at that time (1987) there were no locked doors to the psychiatric ward. If someone had the need/ability to leave they could attempt it.
You can only give medicines/drugs to those that want them.
For treatment, I would suggest looking at the senses that send information to the brain-mind. To reduce the stimulus as much as possible. Then the brain-mind might calm down.
Sight , sound , and smell are some of our most important senses. If doctors really want to help disturbed people they have to place their patients where there is tranquility. No internet, no city entertainment.
Being locked into a building is not at all calming in my opinion. The days, weeks, or months locked inside makes people worse, not better. As any animal locked in a cage is conditioned similarly.
Removing the mind that man/women received in the Garden of Eden is the job you signed up for as a psychiatrist. Look at psychiatry’s history. Destroying the brain is the cure/treatment.
Christians use Jesus’s death and return to deal with the burden of guilt/worry from knowledge of good and evil.
People without religion free themselves from responsibility with the scientific medical diagnosis of “bipolar disorder” and such psychiatric descriptions of behaviour.
Chance of “Relapse” means the persons spirit is not dead yet.
“Apathy and indifference is the final result of all of the most potent psychiatric treatments.” Peter R. Breggin, MD
Stupid people made stupid from various psychiatry treatment can not look after themselves or be employed from their physical lack of brain cells where our thought and intelligence comes from.
I hope self autonomy is included in the judgment of successful psychiatric outcomes. I think it is the most important factor.
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In 2013 there were over 48 million prescriptions for Xanax , according to http://psychcentral.com/lib/top-25-psychiatric-medication-prescriptions-for-2013/
so yes it makes sense a percentage of that 48 million would die from overdose.
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As a joke, I could say the psychiatrists don’t want neurologists to take over prescribing drugs/medicines.
Different source say different things about the brain in mental illness.
As the business of psychiatry is prescribing medications/drugs for the perceived mental illness, prescriptions that add up to billions of dollars, the facts behind the prescribing will be manipulated. Drugs sales here http://psychcentral.com/lib/top-25-psychiatric-medication-prescriptions-for-2013/
Are you functional or non-functional?
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I can’t trace back the source for the 15,778 dead number. Can you?
It is a great thing, if it can be sourced then cited.
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If you are looking for new studies since the last request of declassification in 2011, I found an article with 23 references and many are post 2011. http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/electroconvulsive-therapy/contemporary-ect-part-2-mechanism-action-and-future-research-directions/page/0/2
The website might not let you through wihtout being a member.
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Szasz wrote the only sin ( a choice people make) left is a lack of compassion, everything else (vice and virtue) has been medicalized.
People believe it is compassionate to help the mentally ill, but who gets to judge who is mentally ill?
“Involuntary mental hospitalization and the insanity defense should be seen for what they are: symmetrical symbols of psychiatric power. In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty.” Szasz
Too much compassion is given to the criminal. The purpose of prison is to keep law abiding people safe from dangerous ones. People can only be put in prison if (there is evidence of) a crime has occurred. Past tense.
Psychiatry is needed for the present time, the present fear of possible crimes performed by those who look/act different than the norm.
If psychiatry does get the power to judge, personal freedoms will further disappear.
Carolyn Barnes (JAILED U.S.) May of 2010, Carolyn was arrested and charged with assault for allegedly firing a gun at a census worker. She was declared incompetent to stand trial and sent to the Maximum Security Unit at the North Texas State Hospital for the criminally insane. http://www.madinamerica.com/2012/12/a-psychiatric-assault-on-liberty-the-case-of-carolyn-barnes-2/
Psychiatry wants control over everyone.
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RE”a sin is when God is not looking” is wrong. Yes the creator is always present. In the bible when he asks Cain what happened to his brother I am sure God knew. We have freewill to chose to do evil or good. Without freewill we would be mindless robots.
The world wars killed millions of people , God wasn’t looking at that time?
The creator gave us a heaven or hell , it’s what we make of it.
What makes a plant grow? What makes a wound heal? Only God.
I am sorry you were silenced by psychiatry.
“why the psychiatrists have convinced society that unusual thoughts are a reason to stigmatize someone”
I wasn’t alive in 1940 when they first discovered/invented penicillin, but I believe most everyone went to church back then.
Weird people used to be believed to be diseased or have Devils in them. You didn’t want to catch it. Penicillin killed most disease.
Death was common before penicillin and the discovery of the four blood types.
The brain chemical imbalance (wrongly) explained the unusual thoughts in the “mentally ill”.
Everyone wants an easy answer to why some people are crazy and psychiatry gives it to them.
The truth is that people are gradually made crazy every day until you have a person who has little free will, for example the Anorexic who can’t eat.
“For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them”
Punish them with drugs, electroshock and all that brain damaging stuff.
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Nice catch BPDTrans
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Why do we have psychiatrists? you asked.
They are exploiting human feelings as a means to profit. They profit in power, power as authority and financially. The same way religion profits in power.
With the current concept of mental illness, the person is not responsible, a half truth. We are not responsible for choosing our feeling, but we are responsible for choosing our actions ( that lead to feelings).
Humans will always have emotions and the ability to “sin” . As they have removed the sinner from their sin ( their choice to sin) the psychiatrist are in total control.
The question to me is “How long can this new religion work for?”
I saw a show on TV last night of DBS for anorexia. The supposed doctor said (and maybe believes) the patients have no free will. With this belief the patient can not control their actions, it justifies the dangerous surgery for DBS.
I wonder of the future. Will everyone who does not follow orders have DBS placed in their brain? Mass production will bring the cost down, like the first VCR was $10,000.
The ultimate in sadomasochism, compelled to follow orders by wires in ones brain.
What? You don’t want the cure for mental illness? You really are sick. You really do need DBS to make you see the truth.
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I am supposed to be consuming an antipsychotic, for the fear of mental illness returning, I don’t.
Most people advocate a slow withdrawal, I advocate a quick one.
Rational behaviour comes from rational thinking.
Do I have brain damage from previous medications/drugs? It doesn’t matter. All that matters is today. What am I doing today? You prove yourself sane or insane by your actions.
“My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear.
Optimism is better than despair.
So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world.” Jack Layton
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“the cost-benefit analysis for ECT is so poor that its use cannot be scientifically justified.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21322506
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The anesthesia combined with electroshock makes it dangerous, is how I read this study. http://journals.lww.com/ectjournal/Abstract/2011/03000/Electroconvulsive_Therapy_Anesthesia_Practice.19.aspx
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This can be sent to the FDA
Another study for those looking for evidence “Morbidity in electroconvulsive therapy.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11473557
51 out of 75 had significant problems.
“suggest that electroconvulsive therapy is not a low-risk procedure” in the conclusion.
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Luke 13:6-9 (New International Version)
Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’
Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’
From 1939 to 1945 Hitler and “Action T4” attempted to cut down all the presumed genetically defective, but there is no genome for mental illness. Many others were sterilized. Anyone can be a productive citizen.
No one wants to kill the mentally ill for not producing any work or art, but the mentally ill can not bear fruit if the keeper is poisoning them continually.
And the keeper gets paid until the tree/mentally ill dies from the poisons.
The proof that keeping people on drugs is a mistake will help many people have productive lives ( when they are forgiven their mistakes).
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I thank you for your work Robert Whitaker. The billions spent on mental illness might be more wisely spent to help people get better, not worse. Future generations may thank you as well.
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I found a 14 person study PDF on breggin. What a study! Done by someone selling electroshock (Freeman) and such a large sample size (not). Too bad they could not force ECT on two participants who refused to continue eh? (joke) http://www.breggin.com/ECT/DblblndCntrlldTrlECTSmltdDI.pdf
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Has anyone done the efficacy tests? As in double blind? As in both groups are given anesthesia but only one group has electroshock. Then at different time interval 3 months 6 months 9 months tested for cognitive function and patient satisfaction rating ?
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Different hospitals in Quebec – Canada have different electroshock rates as well.
One location has a 5.1 out of 1000 people receiving electroshock, while the average rate of the Provence is 1.06 out of 1000.
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Voluntary verses UN-voluntary is the issue. The heartless “Start” application just advocates more miracle drugs, to this current age of molecule worshipers.
The commenters here upset about Dr. Healy’s promotion of electroshock fail to distinguish the salesman from the involuntary commitment law. If someone wants brain damage from a doctor they should have the right to get it, the same way a plastic surgeon has the right to mutilate someone face if the patient seeks it.
If the patient is not in jail, the jailers can not force electroshock on to their patient.
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Get one out of four doctors hooked on fake medicine ( withdrawal symptoms prevent quitting) , and doctors are sure to support the selling of the drug! http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.ca/2014/11/happy-pills.html
Doctor “You want to quit your medicine? There is something wrong with you!”
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Regarding “antipsychotics given to a previously healthy, non-psychotic person do, indeed, cause psychosis” by Someone Else. Yes, I agree.
I would also like to add , my experience of confinement , I call jail, others would call hospitalization probably made me crazy as well. To survive the jail , I had to become a dog for my masters.
Everyone else there in the jail/hospital is conditioned or brainwashed like Pavlov’s dog experiment.
I find my left hand doing things my right hand doesn’t know about, unconscious movement. I don’t think I had this before my jail time, but there is no way to prove where it came from.
First they said I was crazy, then they made me crazy.
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You can’t take a photo of a drug in the blood/brain influencing a persons emotions.
If anything mitigates his crime, it would be a drugs effects on his decision making ability.
Can anyone make sane decisions on crack-cocaine or meth?
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Regarding “Someone Else”:” most so called “schizophrenia” today is a result of doctors misdiagnosing symptoms… ”
I agree totally with you. “Schizophrenia” was invented before antibiotics were discovered, invented before science found many physical explanations for irrational behavior. The subject being trough emotional trauma explains the non-physical causes of weird behavior.
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And don’t forget all the boy children turning into girls from medicinal treatment. http://blogs.wsj.com/pharmalot/2015/02/24/johnson-johnson-loses-trial-over-risperdal-and-male-breasts/
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Regarding “Currently a great deal of work is looking at the genetic markers for disorders like schizophrenia. Although for the most part these seem only to be hints of the level of risk for a disorder, it is conceivable that distinct causes will be discovered.”
You are wrong. The word “schizophrenia” is as meaningless as a diagnosis of “witchcraft”.
If anything is wrong in the male “schizophrenic”, it’s that they are not having sexual relations. Sexual relations controlled by society, totally UN-natural.
The sexophobic can’t contemplate the idea of humans being just like all the other animals who respond to natures compulsion to mate (from hormones).
Elephants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musth
Human Testosterone graph.http://www.mhhe.com/socscience/sex/common/ibank/ibank/0088.jpg
Rate of incidence of schizophrenia versus age. http://d34jb20qqe27k2.cloudfront.net/content/bjprcpsych/202/s54/s5/F1.medium.gif
Testosterone production and “schizophrenia” match on the graphs.
Can you control dogs, cats or any other animal in “heat”? Not very easily.
It’s not hormones though. No, No. It’s schizophrenia. We humans are not animals to be controlled by nature. We don’t eat, breath and sh*t like all the other animals.
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It is better to be an alcoholic (to dull ones pain) than to get some of your brain removed/burnt out.
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Great video
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Behaviour is not a disease, a disease to be treated by drugs. There is nothing physically wrong with the children so you can not apply a physical-medicinal solution. Total insanity.
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They lock you up for outrage. They call it psychosis, if you don’t agree with them.
Only a cold outrage is permissible.
If you compare this to the game of chess, there is no way of stopping a bishop-priest, without being a bishop-priest yourself.
Those who can not perform a cold outrage are caught and drugged into submission.
Psychiatry drugging everyone for illnesses they do not have is a modification of “…you first make thieves and then punish them.” Thomas More, Utopia
Who is making the money?
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“it can be hard to know where to draw the line.”
It is easy to know where to dry the line.
Is there any measurable visual defect in the human (brain) to start off with? X-ray, MRI that sort of detection .
No?
Then anything consumed to alter mood-thought-mind is a drug ( a luxury) and not a medicine.
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Lack of sleep is perfect for selling more drugs , as there is something wrong with that kid! He isn’t learning so he needs drugs, and you need sleep fro the brain be able to properly learn and remember material.
Bunch of criminals and no one to stop them.
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Right on.
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RE: “After a patient is given a label ” this is also in the context of voluntary VS involuntary “medical” treatment. Some people do seek a label from an official.
In other terms a psychiatric diagnosis is simply a description of the behaviour of the “patient”.
But with the magic of PAPER the diagnosis is written down to be remembered forever more. Never forgiven for your sins.
Such as the diagnosis of a broken leg is written down on paper. The difference between the broken leg diagnosis/description and the psychiatric diagnosis/description, is that everyone expects the mental illness is forever, but the leg to heal.
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We are speaking different languages, with the same words. When I write the children are on drugs, I mean what normal people call “medicines”.
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RE ” They’re not always adults either- there are children”
Yes, child psychiatry should be illegal. No drugs should be put into otherwise physically healthy children.
infantilism
https://youtu.be/1LoSgdpHnUk?t=10m22s
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“atrophy from lack of use” brain tissue loss is from the poison, not from lack of use. Like saying a frogs legs have atrophied from lack of use , when they have been chemically paralyzed or cut off.
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The psychiatrists are making stupid people more stupid in order to “help” them. I predict the next swing of the pendulum will be to make stupid people smarter instead.
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The radiation is said to be insignificant “In higher elevation areas such as Colorado, the background exposure can be up to 10 millisieverts per year, yet no increased incidence of cancer in higher background radiation locations has been observed. A CT scan can deliver anywhere from 2 to 10 millisieverts of radiation, depending on what type of scan a patient receives. For exams requiring multiple scans, this can add up to 20-30 milliSieverts, but this is still considered a low dose of radiation. For some, scans, such as a head CT, the exposure is very low, about 1 – 2 milliSieverts.”
and “Some patients will opt to have the MRI because it does not use ionizing radiation.”
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20130531/Mayo-Clinic-experts-provide-some-insight-about-radiation-dose-from-CT-imaging.aspx
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many young people are giving up “the dream” and instead look for happiness in drugs.
What? The children-now-adults have been taught to look for happiness-in-drugs from a young age. http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/data.html
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I remember the video, I can’t see it in my country.
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We have legal drug dealers and legal clients consuming drugs. If both parties are adults and happy, I have no problem with the transaction.
You can only save people who want to be saved.
You wrote “(people) are likely to think: “I’m not an addict.”
Who gets to decide who is an addict?
Some people successfully use alcohol to cope with life’s problems, and some people use legally prescribed drugs to stay functional in the world.
The words “medicine” and “drug” have to be defined and taught in school is all that needs to be done.
BUT with so many children on DRUGS this isn’t going to happen.
A medicine has a start and finish date, a drug does not have a finish date.
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In a perfect world, every “mentally ill” patient would be brain scanned on a yearly basis , like our teeth are X-rayed to detect cavities, to see if and where brain damage, or brain changes are taking place.
But as you all know , there is nothing physically wrong with the brain in the mentally ill, the mentally ill are not following orders of those in authority ( involuntary psychiatry).
In the case of voluntary psychiatry , people believe something is physically wrong with their brain and need a medicine for their illness ( from a psychiatrist-doctor).
As science is confronting the legitimacy of psychiatric drugging (nothing wrong with the brain), I have hope for the future. Like phrenology went out of fashion, psychiatry might as well.
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There is no anti dote to antipsychotics /neuroleptics. People die of excited delirium not an overdose of neuroleptics. The magical pills can only do GOOD things to people.
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“hunk of the negative stigma around being diagnosed “mentally ill” comes from the diagnosis and the people who assign it. —- Steve”
I agree.
This stigma is part of the system. If the “patient” feels there is nothing wrong with himself, why does he need any help?
The helper can not help the “sick” without the sick believing they are sick and need help from someone learned.
There needs to be some kind of evidence the person is ill. A brain chemical imbalance induced by psychiatric drugs is perfect.
“The antipsychotics block 70-90 percent of the dopamine receptors in the brain. In (response) return, the brain sprouts about 50 percent extra dopamine receptors. It tries to (compensate) become extra sensitive. So in essence you’ve created an imbalance in the dopamine system in the brain. You (now) have too many dopamine receptors. And what happens? People that go abruptly off of the (antipsychotic) drug, do tend to have severe relapses.” ― Robert Whitaker
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From the article “spending time around greenery can lead to improved mental health.”
reduced to a pill . Right.
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@bpdtransformation, B.A.
Regarding “Where do you draw the line between the guy who needs to keep 2,676 old magazines in his bedroom and the guy who only needs to keep 65?”
If the guy with 2,676 magazines has other rooms that are fully functional ( bathroom , bedroom, kitchen), yes there is no difference between the two. If the guy with 2,676 magazines lived in the country, no one would care if his house caught on fire or was filled with bugs/vermin. Its only because he is close to others who have possessions in a city that an individuals hoarding can be questioned by authority.
Regarding ” an ISIS prisoner being forced to walk from a prison to their mass grave site…. a North Korean being forced to toil on a farm against their will”
Or a person labeled mentally ill is forced to take-ingest chemicals that shorten his life by 25 years?
ISIS prisoner could chose to get shot where he stands. Korean could chose not to eat/work.
“etiology + biological processes”
Right. You say there is no mental illness as in biological illness. That is why its called mental not physical illness.
I say there is no such thing as money (physical), yet everyone else believes money exists.
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The diagnosis of mental illness I received at age 19 gave me the motivation to commit suicide.
I had no future, but one of pain and suffering.
Psychiatrists make brain diseases in their victims when they use fear, force and fraud to get the “patient” to consume psychiatric drugs. The system is perfect, if it wasn’t perfect it wouldn’t exist.
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Regarding “alcoholism and hoarding”…”they’re problematic behaviors”.
A behavior is something you can choose to do , or not to do. In both drug addiction and hoarding the person is not in control of their actions. They apparently have no choice.
Drug addicts have a physical dependency on a chemical. The hoarder might be already on mind altering psychiatric drugs.
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People do have mental illnesses , but the wealthy and powerful usually get to decide who is and who isn`t.
An example where the person is NOT mentally ill, but another person thinks they are is the husband and wife who are fighting. In the past if the man was wealthy enough he could put his complaining wife away in a “hospital” after accusing her of being mentally ill for not obeying (his) orders.
Today people do use the persuasion of psychiatry on their misbehaving children, who are not really “sick” in a medical way. Little do they know of the damage they are causing to their child’s soul.
An example of genuine mental illness would be the hoarder. I think you have seen examples on TV . The person has an irrational fear of throwing anything out, and their homes are firetraps and/or full of bugs and vermin.
Another example of genuine mental illness is someone who abuses drugs such as alcohol , in excess. They use so much drugs their life is unmanageable, as in they can not perform any kind of work.
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Who gets to call who mentally ill?
People who are overcome by their feeling of anger ARE mentally ill? Rather than criminals?
People fear the “mentally ill” will be angry? so drug them for life? to prevent them from becoming criminals?
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The_cat, you wrote ““Resistant to placement” Ya kind of proves I was sane. ”
I do agree with you. Hanging out with “dudes who all day talk about drugs, tattoos, legal problems (etc)” is the wrong thing to do.
Hang out with the healthy not the sick.
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“5 Things Nobody Tells You About Being Poor”
Not safe for work language.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-nobody-tells-you-about-being-poor/
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RE: how do you explain people who get depressed in the winter?
People used to sleep all winter , before modern lighting / industrialization took place.
“Economists and bureaucrats who ventured out into the countryside after the Revolution were horrified to find that the work force disappeared between fall and spring. The fields were deserted from Flanders to Provence. Villages and even small towns were silent, with barely a column of smoke to reveal a human presence. As soon as the weather turned cold, people all over France shut themselves away and practiced the forgotten art of doing nothing at all for months on end.” http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/opinion/25robb.html?_r=0
Otherwise sleep? http://slumberwise.com/science/your-ancestors-didnt-sleep-like-you/
Other animals hibernate during the winter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernation
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In real science you do not start with a conclusion instead of a hypothesis and then design a study that proves the conclusion.
They literally wrote “Schizophrenia is a complex genetic disorder…” at clinicaltrials.gov.
George Combe a person who made his living from selling phrenology wrote”Mental qualities are determined by the size, form and constitution of the brain; and these are transmitted by hereditary descent”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Combe
where the money comes from. wealthy philanthropists.
“U.S. Scientists’ Role in the Eugenics Movement (1907–1939): A Contemporary Biologist’s Perspective” 2008 Steven Farber http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2757926/
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Real science denial is motivated by where the money comes from.
As in whoever pays the piper calls the tune. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/he-who-pays-the-piper-calls-the-tune
“Schizophrenia is a complex genetic disorder” from clinicaltrials.gov link
You can see who funded E. turkheimer at http://people.virginia.edu/~ent3c/vita1_turkheimer.htm
National Institute of Mental Health http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/trials/schizophrenia.shtml
Goes to https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00001486
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A living will is meaningless if there is no one to honor or enforce it.
If you are causing trouble , you will be silenced by those who have more power .
Only power can fight power, a white bishop ( game of chess) can equally oppose a black bishop.
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A woman named Sheila Cook was claimed to have had successful DBS, but in the long term it did not work. She willingly received a precise Lobotomy /Anterior Cingulotomy . http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8279576/British-woman-cured-of-deep-depression-by-pioneering-surgery.html
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I disagree with the transformation of shame to pride of “mental illness”. The treatment received by the “patient” after a psychiatric diagnosis creates a lifelong problem.
Social workers like to thank psychiatry for the Government disability payments from the medical paperwork psychiatrist submit, but neglect to recognize the hospital is a jail (without a trial), the psychiatric medicines given or forced are poisons that make people become their “diagnosis”. The family who believes the prediction create the bad future out of fear of the unknown future.
Intellectual disabilitiesy ( lack of intelligence) that prevents someone from having a job and holding on to the job can be recognized as the real reason for a Government disability cheque. To use “mental illness” as a reason comes with the baggage of psychiatric drug treatment.
If someone is reasonable and can be communicated with, they can no longer be called/named/judged “Mad”.
The organization of the “Mad” is contradictory and paradoxical.
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How stupefied do you want your slave to be?
Too stupid they will pee and defecate anywhere. Too little and they are still “psychotic”.
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Thank you for the full text of the article because the medical document at ncbi.nlm.nih.gov is not on display for the public.
I will use this resource material in online discussions of genetics and mental illness.
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You asked “I have wondered where – if anywhere – psychiatrists fit in to a reformed system.”
1)Psychiatrists first job is involuntary commitment for the person talking or acting suicidal. The fast suicide. Stopping people whose (temporary) strong emotions lead them to the conclusion that suicide is the solution to their problems.
People have the freedom for the slow suicide of alcohol-tobacco-drugs , obesity and such.
When committed the person-patient must be given the reason(s) why they were committed.
2) Any and all drugs used to modify the patients thoughts/feelings can only be for the emergency and not given long term.
The mental patient is often the scapegoat of a family situation. Some doctors can blame the family for inducing the mental illness on the patient. BUT the doctors overlook their own involvement in the scapegoating. When the person-patient receives a psychiatric diagnosis this legitimizes family members transference of their feelings onto the person-patient. All the mothers and fathers fears of psychosis are transferred onto the family member. The parents worst fear is losing their child, which bad psychiatrist exploit. All children must leave their parents to become adults, psychiatry should help in the healthy separation, not the continual dependence.
People attribute mental illness to the DNA genome, but it is the lack of emotional skills the family has that is transferred to the child. Example : If both parents have anger management problems, they in no possible way, can teach healthy anger management to their child. This is not the childs fault or the parents fault, but must be confronted.
So in conclusion I think family confrontations have to take place. Where presently the scapegoat is drugged into silence.
With drawing from psych drugs and a family confrontation would lead to violence as someone can not easily control themselves from the REAL induced brain chemical imbalance (given by the doctor).
The role of healthy psychiatry would be to teach people how to handle their emotional problems cognitively (from the inside) not with a chemical solution ( the outside).
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Fantastic article Mary Maddock.
A solution I think of is a (mandatory) lawyer for every psychiatric patient. The “patient” does not have to request one. The doctors would have to admit the hospital they work in is really a jail (for people to get lawyers), so I don’t think that is going to happen.
The “patient” must be undrugged, the lawyer must be educated to use all forms of communication to be able to talk with his/her client. Written, vocal, sign language, foreign language recognition.
The patient-prisoner must be given a chance to escape ( from what crime? a brain chemical imbalance?) a chance to prove they are “sane” , as in their actions are based on reasons.
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Thanks for the critic of the New York Times Magazine.
Did you write the author Susan Dominus , with a short critic ?
from the article [ the identical twins reared apart who each showed up for research wearing seven rings, or the reared-apart sisters who rubbed their noses the same way and called it ‘‘squidging.’’]
The wearing of rings is a cultural phenomenon.
How many different ways are there to rub ones nose?
Do they breath , eat, and use the bathroom the same way?
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You could provide a link, but you do not.
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Definition of slavery “without an ability on their part to unilaterally terminate the arrangement.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery
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No money in freeing the slaves.
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We need an official international body to acknowledge and grant the title of “Psychiatric Survivor” to people who request it.
Pass some kind of written/oral test.
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There is no money to be made in it. true.
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At least we still have the freedom to think and complain.
“Who dares not speak his free thoughts is a slave.” Euripides c. 480 BC–406 BC
I think Szasz identified the problem with doctors being necessary to obtain drugs. As long as adults need a prescription from a doctor to get a drug, psychiatry will be needed by the general public.
Besides psychiatry trumping criminal law, where the person must first be judged “sane” before going to trial . The insanity defense has to be removed from the law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity_defense
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Great point! To get “psychiatric survivor” commonly known to the layman is a great idea.
On Wikipedia I had an argument about the validity of the term “psychiatric survivor”.
“What official body would name them “psychiatric survivors”? a psychiatrist is going to name someone a psychiatric survivor?” I wrote.
“no, but it is also unlikely that the NY Times or any other reputable publisher would use a term like that in its own voice. ” was the response
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Excellent report!
Only with Parkinson symptoms being severe ( too shaky to function), would I consider DBS as a viable treatment.
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“I had a detective tell me to volunteer myself into the hospital ”
I had my loving parents do this. My unschooled parents (grade 9) believed the lies of men in white coats, doctors.
When your own parents back stab you for your “health” ( out of fear of the future) , who can you trust?
Parents naturally fear for the health of their children , and naturally trust someone licensed as a doctor. And the psychiatrist exploits the fear of the possible bad future by selling magical pills that magically make people think and be “good” instead of “bad”.
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You don’t worship King Midas , but the world worships money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money
If someone lacks the skills and intelligence to take care of themselves you don’t toss them on the street.
Intellectual disability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_disability
That the psychiatric drugs can make people appear to have an Intellectual disability, or over time the drugs in fact create one through brain shrinkage/damage, is criminal.
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I agree that most drugging of prisoners/patients is the act of a monster, but if a prisoner/patient is un-drugged they will complain of being in prison-that-isn’t-a-prison-it’s-a-hospital.
cognitive dissonance of the (supposed) doctor then takes over. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Where obeying orders after being drugged , is viewed as “getting better”.
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Psychiatry is needed to stop people from (quickly) killing themselves.
Lots of time and money have been spent on most people to get them where they are, most people can be productive citizens. To lose productive citizens from temporary/transient feelings of despair is not profitable.
The continual drugging of patients to suppress symptoms has to stop. There is only so much dirt you can hide by sweeping it under the rug.
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I do not think it is a biblical prophesy, it is merely Doctors can not admit to their limits (too big a head), or if you pay someone enough money they will come up with a treatment for a non-physical illness.
Family of the person-in-distress/patient ask or need a Doctor to fix their loved one, the Doctor obliges them by drugging the patients brain, then can’t stop the drugs.
The search for the correct drug for a non-physical illness can only get worse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Was_an_Old_Lady_Who_Swallowed_a_Fly
He who pays the piper calls the tune https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/who_pays_the_piper_calls_the_tune
Who is paying for the treatment? Who is supplying the answers ?(brain chemical imbalance)
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I am a psychiatric survivor and like to think of myself as realist.
I believe in involuntary commitment. The golden rule, he/she who has the gold makes the rules.
Mary G aged 32 woman was apparently homeless.
She could not take care of herself , so what you did was most probably a mercy.
I would suggest people like this do not have the intelligence and discipline to look after themselves and not a “mental illness”. If people are judged having a mental illness , they would ” need” psychiatric drugs. Or obviously living without a home makes anyone crazy with, no sleep , no food, no clean water to drink and bath in, etcetera.
If you take away the freedom of people like Mary, you have to give them an honest chance of escape from captivity.
If the patient is psychdrugged they can not cognitively think to ask – argue for their freedom. The default is drug everyone stupid so they can’t complain about the captivity . The drug companies make billions. The patients can’t prove their innocence (there are no brain chemical imbalances to correct). No one in power is made upset by this nobody being drugged immobile.
Comic on too much “help”.http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2879#comic
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If it is court mandated that you take the psych meds/poison, you would not want to destroy the tracker, otherwise you would go back to the prison-that-isn’t-a-prison-it’s-a-hospital for not obeying orders.
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There are three kinds of psych drugs , neuroleptics/antipsychotics, happy pills/antidepressants, and stimulant drugs.
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Anyone remember Furious Season website?
He had an article on this back in 2009.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120308050913/http://www.furiousseasons.com/archives/2009/08/digestible_drug_monitoring_pill_hits_us_media.html
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Everyone is magically a “patient” of psychiatry , when there are two different kinds of patients.
The two are 1) Those that want the drugs, and 2) Those that do not want the drugs.
First they name you mad, then they make you mad with the drugs and unlawful imprisonment.
I wonder when/if the confidence trick is going to end.
Who is going to end it when half the population is the naked emperor?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/antidepressant-drugs-may-not-be-best-treatment-robert-whitaker-1.2667410
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes
“But he isn’t wearing anything at all!”
“Giving a child a psychiatric drug is poisoning, not treatment.” Szasz
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Thank you Jay Joseph, for your continuing work to refute the idea that “mental illness” is inheritable from the DNA.
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I think it is dangerous territory for “Parity in Mental Health Treatment” , when we have voluntary and involuntary Mental Health Treatment.
If the “doctor” decides who is ill based on the “patients” behaviour, and there is unlimited money , many people will be “helped”/jailed until they kiss the ass of the doctor in charge.
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Love of Money used to be a sin of greed, now money-greed is what runs the world.
Compassion for inanimate objects is called hording today, people continuously purchase items and can not throw stuff out.
Compassion as a “good” mental illness is affecting Canada now from the photos of drowned children escaping Syria.http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-alexander-refugee-crisis-1.3213869
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Regarding:”Aren’t anger (and fear) obviously mental illnesses? ”
Yes , just like Love and compassion are mental illnesses. The feeling overrides rational, logical thought.
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The Mommy or Daddy wants to stay in control of their child, (the King+Queen do not want to lose their power) psychiatric drugging of the patient gives the parent this opportunity. Who is the psychiatrist (prescribing the drugs) working for?
It’s all about following orders. The psych drugs make people stupider, stupider is easier to control but creates a never ending dependency on authority.
copy and pasted from internet search
QUIZ: AM I IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A CONTROL FREAK?
• Does this person keep claiming to know what’s best for you?
• Do you typically have to do things his way?
• Is he so domineering you feel suffocated?
• Do you feel like you’re held prisoner to this person’s rigid sense of order?
• Is this relationship no fun because it lacks spontaneity?
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I am surprised HuffPost Canada printed the comments.
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Awesome! The emperor has no clothes on! How will the believers (chemical imbalance) react?
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
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They own you.
“Psychotic patients might be unable to provide a history or participate in treatment if they are agitated, hostile, or violent”
http://www.currentpsychiatry.com/home/article/how-to-stabilize-an-acutely-psychotic-patient/886398ca6574d408a67439288e502f88.html
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Please do not forget the physical effects of the psychiatric drugs to make people look crazy.
tardive dyskinesia and other physical manifestations.
If people look crazy, they will be treated differently at best.
The human face is what everyone looks for , for feedback during a conversation.
The psychs report or complain of lack of emotion “Affective flattening, Akathisia, ect” when they have just poisoned their patients brain. They are con men and quacks.
Do not get too angry at them in public, or you might be named psychotic then fall under their power and be “helped” for your illness of anger.
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Suicide or self ownership is being treated like the person tried to kill someone else, rather than the person killing themselves.
This is the new age where people are not responsible for their actions, “mental illness” committed the crime.
Mental illness killed Natalie Fuller, she didn’t kill herself. http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/about-us/our-blog/69-no-state/2795-on-losing-my-darling-natalie-doris-fuller-personally-speaking
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I forgot one.
A real living nightmare is when you have no right to face your accuser, what was I accused of being delusional about? No one tells you.
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My experience of psychiatric hospital-prison is that it is worse than criminal prison.
Why? No right to face your accuser, what was I accused of being delusional about? No one tells you. You need to take this poison we call medicine.
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What a joke.
The man (Josh Priess) in the article said “a five-day nightmare in jail that he says ruined his life.”
Five days? Boo Hoo . I’m crying for you. NOT
A real living nightmare is being poisoned by people who say they are helping you. A real living nightmare is when you have no lawyer and no trial. A real living nightmare is being unable to see and talk from the poisons your jailers are forcing on you. A real living nightmare goes on for months, not days. A real living nightmare is no access to toilet facilities or water. A real living nightmare is being tied down (posey belt).http://shop.posey.com/Images/products/1135-6_200x200_Posey%C2%AE-Self-Releasing-Roll-Belt.jpg
A real living nightmare goes on for months, not days.
Have you tried the new and improved posey belt? http://www.tvcogeco.com/salaberry-de-valleyfield/gallerie/emissions-2015/7280-autrement-vu-2015/100420-recours-collectif
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Being naked and declaring someone your wife ( who doesn’t wish to be) is obviously a mental health issue, not a criminal case. This kind of person would not respond to the authority of the police who would be called when the problem was reported. Naked person would not obey the polices requests, so the police would naturally be angry that their authority is not respected. The police can’t tell by looking at someone if they are sane or insane. What happens then?
I can’t fault the police for doing their job.
Another story I read, a man(father) calls the police to report his car stolen. When the police find the car they accidental kill the thief- driver for not obeying (their) orders. The thief was the mans son. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/7/iowa-police-shoot-teen-dead-after-father-calls-cop/
Any murder you find is usually an act of violence. Anger is typically irrational and can not be reasoned with. The opposite yet equal to being in love. Can you reason someone out of love?
Police have to assume someone is a criminal (for not obeying) rather than delusional.
The proper response to people who believe in creationism, rather than science, is to explain the science to them. Explain how the Sun is the center of the solar system, its size-mass in relation to Earths size-mass.
I would carefully try to confront the delusion-problem of property ownership of Mickey.
Assuming Mickey was well fed, clean, and had adequate sleep and all those details.
Mickey has to follow the rules, if he doesn’t , he goes to prison. Can he follow the rules? Still has to go to prison on the (mentally ill) assumption he is evil instead of good.
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I agree with squash August 20, 2015 at 12:25 pm
The most dangerous thing about delusional psychiatry is that the psychiatric treatment of drugs and torture can create the diagnosis they first gave the patient. A “positive” feedback loop coming from the fear of madness (in the psychiatrist). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback The end result is a lobotomized patient.
Psychiatry is a tool of the machine, the machine of mankind that is consuming the planets fossil resources.
People enjoy the simple answer of “brain chemical imbalance” that psychiatry supplies ( to the question of “What is mental illness?”).
“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I’m liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That’s what’s insane about it.”John Lennon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaRRHRV-DPk
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You wrote “How many elderly dads and moms are out there, heads and eyes rolling from side to side, desperately trying to but unable to speak, who are not so fortunate?”
I will modify it to “How many schizophrenics are out there, heads and eyes rolling from side to side, desperately trying to but unable to speak, who are not so fortunate?”
I was like that ” heads and eyes rolling from side to side, desperately trying to but unable to speak,” at the age of 19. This behaviour helped convince my family I was schizophrenic, so I became schizophrenic.
“First they came for” back story.
{When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians – “should I be my brother’s keeper?” Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. – I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it’s right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn’t it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]?}
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“If we need to know what’s going on in our brain/mind. ”
You talk to the person, or you use sign language(hands), or touch spelling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Keller)
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Kefauver Harris Amendment
“Before the Thalidomide scandal in Europe (Canada), U.S. drug companies only had to show their new products were safe. After the passage of the Amendment, an FDA New Drug Application (NDA) would have to show that a new drug was both safe and effective ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefauver_Harris_Amendment
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What if you could watch where the electricity flows in a computer “brain” CPU , would it tell you what it is doing?
I imagine two kinds of computers, one in a factory production line, one in your living-room playing chess.
Neither CPU under visual study of where electrons are flowing would tell you what the CPU was doing in the real world.
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Montreal Gazette . Feb 26 , 1960 “Drug Manufacturers Brainwash Doctors”. Page 2 Top left
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19600226&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Washington Feb 25 Dr Haskell J. Weinstein, a former research director for a big drug
manufacturing company, today said doctors are being brainwashed by the drug industry.
And his predecessor on the job with Charles Pfizer and Company – Dr. Martin A. Seidell
– told the Senate Antitrust and Monopoly Subcommitte in a prepared statement that he
resigned in protest against the firm’s “perverted marketing attitudes.”
Weinstein aimed his testimony at the drug manufacturing industry in general, rather
than at Pfizer. He said he had never met Seidell before Wednesday and that they were
acting independently in their testimony.
Weinstein criticized promotional activities by the drug industry, which he said
sometimes gave physicians less than a full picture of the effect of new drugs.
He charged that the result is that “the patient … is often exposed to drugs which
have been incompletely evaluated and which not infrequently are hazardous.”
“He (the physician) has been taught, one might almost say brainwashed, to think of the
trade mark names of the drug at all times.
“Even new disease states have been invented to encourage the use of some drugs..
“He (the physician) has been exposed to remarkable little information concerning the
efficacy of the drugs he is asked to prescribe. Instead he is seduced with gimmicks of
all sorts in an effort to make him loyal to a particular product or a particular drug,
with relatively little attention being paid to the specific merits of the drug”
The Pfizer Company issued a denial of the allegations of both men.
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RE “Incurable AND genetic” If and when the human being makes mistakes, it is not a human mistake, it is the mental illnesses fault. The patient needs more drugs for his illness.
Remember that the wrong behaviour used to called sins (Lust Gluttony Greed Sloth Wrath Envy Pride), and every imperfect human will always sin, therefore need more “helpful” psychiatric drugs.
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The patient is scolded in hospital-jail for not moving when in a cast( psych drugged into a stupor). GO GET YOUR FOOD (breakfast:when you get there there is no food).
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The corruption has been since the 1960`s, for 55 years , not just 35 years(1980).
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Working in mental health is just like fixing a broken leg. Fixing it wrong.
You put a cast on the break, then you keep the cast on forever.
If the patient or the doctor takes the cast off everyone believes the leg is still broken, when the muscles have atrophied from lack of use. You can not possible walk or runon such a leg.
No one asks or addresses the reasons why the leg broke in the first place. THIS IS THE HUGE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. THE ELEPHANT USUALLY RETURNS WHEN THE CAST IS TAKEN OFF BECAUSE NO ONE CONFRONTED IT.
So the monkeys put the cast back on. The leg is broken. I didn’t break it!
The reality is the human brain shrinks from the constant poisoning.
Poisons making people more stupid, when everyone wants smart people.
Are you following orders? Good.
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No one cares until it comes to be their turn to be medicated.
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That doctors go along with the trick/con/lie that Haldol is a medicine, treating a physical illness, will puzzle me until the day I die.
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I had my brain to heart connection (Branches of cardiac plexus) burnt out with radiofrequency [RF] ablation in 2008. I am a machine now and do not like it.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1875813-overview
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Like they can not use physical violence on children to get them to behave as those in authority want, they can not use physical violence on the Dementia Patient (prisoner) , so they use drugs/chemicals that affect the brain of the “patient”.
As it is very difficult to prove any damage ( or discomfort) occurring to the “patient” , this drugging is not going to end any time soon.
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You do know the trick here? The person drugged (others would say taking medication) can not work a job.
A man digging his own grave with a gun to his head , is the patient who takes the psych drugs.
No escape from the “science” of psychiatry. The digger gets to live a bit longer when digging.
When will psychiatry end? When consumers/producers destroy the Earths ecosystem, which will be fairly soon.http://www.fastcoexist.com/3048259/visualizing/what-and-who-are-actually-causing-climate-change-this-graphic-will-tell-you
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Psychiatrists and hospital workers can not understand a room you are not allowed to leave is a prison, not a hospital.
The sane response to this insult (unlawful imprisonment) IS anger, but the average person does not know the power of psychiatry.
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Tina Mah (lead author) apparently does not know of the true purposes of psychiatry.
To control the angry proletariat, to prevent crime before it can happen with “medicine”.
The feeling and expression of anger is a mental illness.
People are supposed to be good robots and follow orders at all times.
“In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but
one into sickness. Anger, gluttony, lust, pride, sloth are all the symptoms of mental diseases.
Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.” wrote Thomas Szasz.
How do you be kind to the angry?
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Let me get this straight… the standard treatment for Parkinson’s, the drug levodopa, ” Levodopa is turned into dopamine”
Then , or at the same time they give an anti-psychotic that does the opposite.
That is some crazy stuff.
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regarding the Case Study: “David”
Yes his mother is attempting to control him, that is what mothers/fathers do.
The adult child named David needs to be separated from their parent before violence ( stemming from “who is in power?”) occurs.
David apparently does not know the world runs on money and he is expected to earn it when he reaches an adult age.”directed by voices to share a message”
From the description it seems Davids mother has made him crazy over the years. “David has recently stopped watching television because he believes that the outside forces are able to see him through the television, and also monitor his activities.”
It took many years to make David crazy, it will take years to make him un-crazy.
The pharmaceutical companies will profit for many years from selling drugs to control Davids behaviour.
David , having limited social skills, will have to have people paid (social worker) to converse with him (for David to stay somewhat sane).
What does David want? “Working with David as a client” Bullshit. “At a Hearing Voices Support Group” Bullshit.I doubt he wants that.
Encouraging “voices” to be external is some crazy advice.
Someone has to be direct with David and tell him what is going on in plain language. Tell him the truth.
If you put thieves together in jail, you get thieves that teach each other to become better thieves.
If you put crazy people together, sharing crazy ideas, you get them off the street, which is what everyone (making money) wants.
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We are not in control of our feelings , but we can control what we think about.
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I think it is a serious mistake to equate the feeling of despair with the action of suicide.
“The person who kills himself sees suicide as a solution…. For the person who kills himself or plans to kill himself, suicide is, eo ipso, an action. Psychiatrists, however, maintain that suicide is a happening, the result of a disease: as coronary arteriosclerosis causes myocardial infarction, so clinical depression causes suicide.” is on the link to Szasz.
A person who is feeling despair does not have to perform the action of suicide, or think of the process of reaching suicide. In this particular example of working long hours, they could quit their job to feel better.
The question “willing to die” is a set up/frame job.
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It is the psychiatrist who is Jesus, saving us from our sins with electroshock, chemical lobotomy , and the new laser psychosurgery.http://www.madinamerica.com/2015/07/psychosurgeons-burn-away-mental-illness-according-to-wired/
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to Rob Wipond
Please stop the continuing use of “Suicidal Feelings”.
The article says ” suicidal thoughts “.
A person feels hunger , anger and despair, they do not feel the complex process of finding and preparing food (solution for hunger)
A person does not feel the complex process of finding a method and date of a suicide(solution for despair.
SUICIDE AS A MORAL ISSUE
http://www.szasz.com/iol2.html
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Y.I.S.”Take your pills, dearie, or you go to either jail or a mental hospital. ”
I think only if you have a court order ( coming from some kind of illegal act you performed) , do you have to take pills.
If you were just a criminal , you would be forgiven in time. As you have a “mental illness” diagnosis, you are never forgiven for doing something wrong.
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Thank you Dr. Moncrieff , and yes to the idea of ” benzodiazepines rather than antipsychotics”.
My thoughts were/are not diseased. A benzo such as Ativan removes the feelings of fear and anger. Without fear and anger there is no violence, and communication can take place.
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“people don’t die of old age, they die of inactivity.” Jack LaLanne
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Obvious if you think of the effects of strong psychiatric drugs designed to make the person immobile.
If the person is not moving, it is well know muscles and bones atrophy from lack of use.
The most extreme example is an astronaut that comes back from orbiting the earth. They lose bone and muscle from lack of constant exercise.
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Extreme mood variations are hard to handle. The only thing that can “cure” a high or low is the passage of time. After the peak high or low to keep the person restrained (psychiatry as crime prevention) is cruel.
The effect has been expressed as feeling like turning into a wolf/ lycanthropy
What is the cause ? The moon is the cause! ( hormone fluctuations) Joke comic from SMBC http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1573
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The story ( mental illness is a chemical imbalance:paradox) be in a properly titled column.
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Ted you do not ask “How did this bipolar person become bipolar?” Were they born bipolar? People are made into what they are.
Psychiatry feasts on the fear of mental illness, in the subject/patient, and also in the family of the patient.
If you look for disease you will find it, the same way when you are driving , if you look at the tree in the way, you tend to drive into the tree.
Time is always flowing, a diagnosis written in Pen should be written in pencil so it can be erased one day.
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As the damage is invisible , no one can see it. Only those who have experienced the drugs know the horror.
There are few survivors of the drug empire.
The doctors (that prescribe the drugs) have been conned into believing they are helping/fixing people. The doctor thinks they must do something to help their patient. Doing nothing is sometimes a hard thing to do.
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A nice piece of writing. Thank you.
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Yes, you might be correct. It looks like the shooter is a life long racist and the drugs he took might be unrelated to his actions.
DRUGS still have to be mentioned. When I write of drugs I do not mean only legally prescribed ones.
The comedy cartoon the Simpsons has the character Homer say ” The cause of , and the solution to all of life’s problems…. beer”.
Szasz wrote ” Our Right to Drugs”. If all drugs are available to the public it would remove the need of the first step of (voluntary) psychiatry when someone is looking to feel better for emotional problems.
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Forgot one. DRUGS
“…avoid talking about race, guns, hatred and terrorism”
It’s the which came first? The chicken or the egg?
The shooters are on psychiatric drugs that influence their mind to possibly commit illegal acts. People say the shooters are crazy, but which came first?
Few blame the drugs , because drugs make the money for the media .
” 70% of the advertising revenues for his news division come from pharmaceutical ads” http://americanfreepress.net/?p=25161
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I assume you know of Dr Fuller Torrey. He wrote a paper on how the rate of schizophrenia did not decrease after the Nazis had killed 250,000 mental patients in Action T4.
Also Torrey has a self interest in refuting the schizo gene idea, as his sister is supposed to have schizophrenia, and if she gets eliminated he and his family would be eliminated as well.
The paper 2010
http://schizophreniabulletin.oxfordjournals.org/content/36/1/26.full
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Ditto “antipsychotics do not increase the quality of life of anyone forced to take them”
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Whoever pays the piper(singer) , names the song to be sung.
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Translation. If you can’t live in the noisy city , you will be eliminated. Survival of the most fit/the most insensitive survive.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insensitive
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The answer to the (possible) falling success of CBT is that today people have more reason to BE depressed by there (living) environment.
If your environment is crap, you will feel like crap. Put a monkey in a cage 24/7 and yes it will affect their behaviour.
Cities , where most people live, are getting bigger and bigger with noise and visual pollution/ less green space.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/urban-parks-offer-breath-of-fresh-air-for-improved-health-1.1233626
“Three of every five people worldwide will live in a city by 2030”
“…found that 20 people with an average age of 26 who were diagnosed with clinical depression scored better on a series of tests of attention and short-term memory when they walked in a quiet nature setting compared with a noisy urban setting.”
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The people in power are playing out some of their own psychological problems/needs at the expense of the innocent.
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Positive feedback https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback
If antidepressants and anti-psychotics were really attacking/affecting real physical molecules in the blood, increasing the dose might work, but as mental illnesses are metaphorical illness increasing the dose does not work.
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Yes , it could be illegal , but no one is willing to stop it because they themselves are not being drugged.
Only those who have experienced the drugs , know the effects, know the feeling.
Because every has been tricked into calling the drugs “medicine” .
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An antipsychotic is an invisible rope, to make the subject immobile.
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A priest taking confession. Take two pills and sin no more.
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I do agree , ketamine is probably better than electroshock for depression.
Danny S ,Would you force ketamine on a patient?
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No such thing as a suicidal feeling. That is the same as saying ” I feel like making a sandwich”, when someone feels hungry. People feel despair, then think of the solution of suicide.
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Regarding “until some other profession proves itself capable of caring for the seriously mentally ill.”
That is a trick statement.
There are no seriously mentally ill , until a person has received ” help” from psychiatry.
Psychiatry turns a mildly sick person into a seriously mentally ill person with drugs and a pre-crime prison (you call a hospital).
Removing a persons mind/brain is not “care”.
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Historical . Not verbatim “be sure to tell everyone the god Pan is dead”, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_%28god%29#The_.22Death.22_of_Pan
That voice could have been a con. Pan could be alive, but if everyone believes Pan is dead, he becomes dead.
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Defining EVIL “Are you Evil?”
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/defining-evil/
“if this evil person were willing to analyze his or her reasons for wanting to commit this morally wrong action, these reasons would either prove to be incoherent, or they would reveal that the evil person knew he or she was doing something wrong and regarded the harm caused as a good thing.”
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“Some people never go crazy, What truly horrible lives they must live.” Charles Bukowski.
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“… behavior and emotions are not medical problems”, (in children) is correct. Only an adult might be judged “mentally ill” , as an adult is supposed to be in control of their behavior.
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“It (drug) took away his fear of consequence and fear of death.”Still doesn’t explain why he did not kill just himself, instead chose to kill others.
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If he lost all hope , he should have planned to kill himself. Why did he plan to kill others?
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Szasz “In the animal kingdom, the rule is, eat or be eaten; in the human kingdom, define or be defined.”
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The shooter was an imbecile to believe in the (power of) psychiatric diagnosis he had received.
He could not look at the objective science? What brain chemical imbalance(test)?
What you choose to do , IS who you are.
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RE: “Smashes up his home.” This is called freedom. If the display of anger is on your property , then you can call the police.
There are no magic tablets, no chemical imbalances to fix.
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RE: Cold Turkey and withdrawal
A psychiatrist will likely never withdraw their patient from drugs. I have performed the “cold turkey” method of withdrawal. I figure a month of hell is better than two years of hell.
Cold turkey can only take place if you can look after yourself, have a place to rest/sleep, money, and food, ability to get more food.
I figure the longer on the drug, the more damage being done. If anyone is young enough their body will physically heal, like it heals from any injury over time.
The psychological effects are very hard to handle. and will always be with you. I have to battle sloth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloth_(deadly_sin) every day.
Exercise, healthy food, getting outside is critical.
“The mind should control the body. When you move your fingers, when you move your toes, that’s done by the mind. Remember this: your body is your slave; it works for you.”Jack LaLanne
http://www.shareguide.com/LaLanne.html
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“…but toxic.” that is how you know the drugs are working, if you feel the toxic effects.
In the olden days they called it Self-flagellation for ones sins (for feelings of guilt).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-flagellation
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-07/penitents-perform-self-flagellation/3937512
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As long as you don’t force your drugs on me, you are welcome to your legal drugs.
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Choosing to believe in a good future and “hope” and doing the physical affirmation to feel better is a good thing, isn’t it? http://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episodes/brain-magic-the-power-of-the-placebo
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Many doctors take the psychiatric drugs. The doctors themselves are human, suffer from emotional problems and need to believe in a pill, (Dumbos magic feather) need to believe in the hope of a magical pill.
http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.ca/2014/11/happy-pills.html
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“raising a puppy” good one!
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My family believed in the psychiatric diagnosis given to me, and my family makes the prophecy come true. No one can un-learn that disease.
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“Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it”.
We are supposed to learn from our mistakes.
Without your memories, who are you?
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They are selling fear.
If the psychiatrist is not giving medicine? What are they giving? What are they treating?
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typo on medicine
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Doctor Sandra Steingard, I thank you for the work you are doing , researching, increasing the quality of life of the S.M.I. by reducing or stopping the amount of neuroleptics.
Normal people calm their fears and worry with drugs like alcohol and cocaine. These same fears and worries are in the seriously mentally ill, when they have a fully functioning brain.
From a psychiatrists point of view which patient is easier to manage and control, the drugged or undrugged? Obviously the drugged.
I am a diagnosed “schizophrenic” who does not take “medice”. Tricky word play on medicine.
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Madness in history ( before microbiology) might indeed have been caused by physical disease such as Syphilis.
Vices and Virtues
1 Lust Chastity
2 Gluttony Temperance
3 Greed Charity
4 Sloth Diligence
5 Wrath Patience
6 Envy Kindness
7 Pride Humility
Before psychiatry there was vice and virtue. We can’t have one without the other.
“In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but
one into sickness.
Anger(5), gluttony(2), lust(1), pride(7), sloth(4) are all the symptoms
of mental diseases.
Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.” wrote Thomas Szasz.
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Szasz missed Envy(6) and Greed(3) these sins run the world, money runs the world now, just like the company in the movie “Catch 22 (1970)”. Envy and greed are essential to a money based world.
Over consumption of the planets resources. If your feel something is wrong, you are diseased.
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Too much or a reaction (fear, panic) VS too little of a reaction ( apathy).
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Two out of nineteen patients made worse by brain surgery for mental illness. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23733922
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If everything is a symptom (negative and positive) , what is not? With only the possibility of positive and negative symptoms, the “patient” is no longer a human being.
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Regarding “in the beginning psychiatry was something of a good barrel” . As it was the NEW age of microbiology scientists thought there was a physical problem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Jansk%C3%BD
Whitaker picks the year 1980, when the third DSM came out. They knew (scientifically) at this time there were no chemical imbalances.
Psychiatry is a religion, and I do not know how it will end as man is , and always be a sinner, or an imperfect machine that makes mistakes, a Homo sapien .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens
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The fortune tellers fears will come true if people believe the lie.
“The best way to predict your future is to create it.”
“People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it’s true, or because they’re afraid it might be true. Peoples’ heads are full of knowledge, facts and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.”
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Rats do enjoy their exercise wheel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWzexTu1O-U
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Psychiatry is worse when the patient-prisoner can not speak from the dose of “medicine”. No lawyer for the accused in the mental ward because the hospital isn’t a prison (lie).
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Thank you for writing of Szasz’s true thoughts of mental illness.
and the list of (13) thirteen.
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Regarding “what helps – on what cures ” Nijinsky.
They have the cure for “mental illness” already, the inventors received the Nobel prize for the discovery. It is called the Lobotomy. Remove or destroy the brain.http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1949/
It doesn’t matter what the truth is when Pharma Co is making BILLIONS of dollars selling legal drugs. To sell legal drugs you need doctors to prescribe them.
18 Billion dollars a year in antipsychotics.
11 Billion dollars a year in antidepressants.
10 Billion dollars a year in stimulant drugs.
39 Billion total.
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I`m sorry I don`t believe in magic. I believe in reason.
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic.” Szasz
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As an UN-medicated schizophrenic , I thank you for questioning the authority who would have me drugged for life based on false or bad science.
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I think it works in the sense it gets the lack-of-discipline , child of today to sit still and concentrate for a few minutes.
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This is bullsh*t science. If you know anything about DC electricity, you know electricity follows the easiest path , like water flowing downhill. To say the electricity is going through the brain is a guess. I would say the electricity is going through the tissue that surrounds the skull, rather than the brain.
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I was sarcastic in another response, writing “Won’t you help the children?”. People do care for the children, hopefully more than their pet dog or cat.
When the current children grow up , the evidence of psychiatry working, or not working will be obvious.
Jesus the healer reportedly said , Matthew 7:15 “By their fruits you will know them”
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What is psychiatric treatment? Drugs.
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LOL. Don’t forget the benefits of getting diabetes (shortening your life span) and males growing breasts( gynecomastia) from the chemicals,
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“Apathy and indifference is the final result of all of the most potent psychiatric treatments.” wrote Peter R. Breggin, MD
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Frances writes about the word patient.
If a person is in a room he can’t leave, that is called a jail.
He/she is not a patient.
You are acting as a Jesus-healer on someone who does not want to be healed.
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Destroying the next generation.
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It’s just an accident these medicines of ours are killing you. I swear! Just an accident. http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38212000/jpg/_38212158_slaves_ap300.jpg
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Cpuusage would have to give his/her real name.
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Another link to the medical study http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25828983
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I think I can speak for Szasz when I write the mind can not be diseased. The mind can be wrong or right, legal or criminal but thoughts and emotions are not diseases.” Diseases are malfunctions of the human body, of the heart, the liver, the kidney, the brain”.
If someone is NOT functioning ( eating and sleeping like a Hominid) , it may be considered a mercy to have a psychiatric intervention. RE”who is suffering a more severe form of mental illness & who isn’t”
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RE: Cpuusage “How do ‘you/we’ change the system then???”
Who has the power now? The doctors. As long as legitimate doctors of science support psychiatry, psychiatry will continue. The “scientific” studies do prove lobotomy and chemical lobotomy stop unwanted behavior, but (chosen) behavior is not and has never been a medical disease.
The doctor has a need to help their patient. The doctor himself/herself needs to be patient and do nothing for the “mad”.
The tradition of giving or forcing drugs on the “mad”, has to be stopped. Drugs only lead to more drugs.
Call stupid people stupid, not mentally ill in need of medication.
Call drug addicts as drug addicts, not mentally ill.
Call (too) angry people angry, not mentally ill.
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“Where is mental illness?” it is in the person who is not following orders.
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Playing devil advocate .
From the Doctors perspective , they are given a patient and told to help them. What do you as a Doctor do?
Living with artificial light , bad food and little physical exercise makes people insane , assigning all the blame of insanity to psychiatry is a mistake.
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@Cpuusage.”a ludicrous position to then blame psychiatry. ” To sell “drugs” as “medicine” is criminal. To force drugs as medicine is criminal. The criminals can get away with it because they write the rules.
” a large part of the difficulties would be resolved ” if psychiatry was exposed as quackery that would end a lot of the difficulties.
“Drugs for life” is not a good solution for the patient, but it pays the drug dealer and it pays the people who supply the drugs.
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Everyone who is making money from psychiatry is happy to make the money, and the money to support “mental health/illness” will continue to flow.
If the parasite gets too large, the host might notice.
When money ends , psychiatry will end.
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Over 70% of slaves who don’t like getting beaten have apparently developed supersensitivity to NEW beatings from long-term beatings from their master.
Their skin and flesh is thin where the whips and chains have hit.
http://mshistorynow.mdah.state.ms.us/images/316.jpg
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scopolamine http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143584/Scopolamine-Powerful-drug-growing-forests-Colombia-ELIMINATES-free-will.html
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“The Prescription for Scolding Wives”.http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/images/laughing-gas.jpg
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Anyone who talks or writes about psychiatry as being a valid medical science before the discovery of the blood types and penicillin is insane because…
1) the percentage of the population that was mentally ill was much lower before 1945
2) the percentage of the mentally ill who had physical (brain) illness is unknown.
Jan Jansky http://old.radio.cz/cz/clanek/89008
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Poisons that are not poisons. LOL.
The heavy ball and chain attached to the prisoner , severely limits the ability to jump when the prisoner is told to jump.
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A human brain (with the ability to reason) is better than a drugged brain in the long term outcome most of the time.
People who are drugged can’t take care of themselves , can’t solve problems on their own.
Mommy and Daddy need to be needed, so some parents like the drugging of their children to stay the King and Queen of the family.
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” Don’t you want to help the children with medicine?” The sentence I wrote, is sarcasm. They are poisoning the children.
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The Atomic bomb and nuclear warheads were made because the government thought the enemy might have them. Cost billions of dollars. Kind of weird that the Government listened to the scientists.”The first man-made self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction was initiated in CP-1 on 2 December 1942″
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Regarding “I don’t know the solution to this (nastiness)”.
First you have to understand the cause. What does psychiatry do to their patient? They make them obey orders.
Humans in truth, are animals. Intelligent apes, we eat , breath, sleep and die just like all the other animals on the planet.
I hope you know of Don Weitz’s three F’s. Fear , fraud and force.http://www.antipsychiatry.org/weitz2.htm
What does an animal do when it loses its fear? It gets a chance to express anger.
The person needs to learn to modulate on their own, ( previously controlled by drugs), their level of anger.
If they are on psych drugs, they are not angry.
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It is okay to kill a slave historically.
“any Spartan citizen could kill a helot without fear of blood or guilt in order to keep them in line”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_rebellion
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Thank you for replying literally to my angry sarcasm of ” Don’t you want to help the children?”
People have get angry to be motivated to do the work of activism, and anger is considered by many a “mental illness” of psychosis. You know what happens next.
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I have a list of reasons for psychiatry.
Number One, Drugs: People need drugs.
(Voluntary patient) How are they going to get their drugs? They need a psychiatrist to legitimize their use of drugs. The psychiatrist cleans the nastiness up. They are not taking drugs, they are taking medicine. A lie. 11 Billion dollars a year in antidepressants are being sold. And the chemicals don’t work on the physical level. The chemicals work like Dumbo’s feather, but have withdrawal effects that keep people taking them.
The second reason for psychiatry is a fear of the uncertain future. Abraham Lincoln — ‘The best way to predict your future is to create it’
The helpers fear the bad future, and are blind to their own actions that create the bad future. They refuse to call drugs as drugs, refuse to call a prison a prison. Your most precious possession, your child, is what you fear the most of losing. You do not want to lose him/her to disease. You do not want to lose control over your child.
[2) the fact that you cannot control your teenage daughter or son]
[4) you want your son, daughter, brother, sister, etc. to get chemical dependency treatment] from http://emergency-room-nurse.blogspot.ca/2015/04/we-interrupt-this-blog.html
You end your writing with the psychiatric/psychopharmaceutical industry and children problem.
The children? What? Don’t you want to help the children with medicine?
On the Dr.Phil TV show yesterday “Is Our Son a Kleptomaniac?” , I saw the real life “A Clockwork Orange”(1971). They are going to fix the child with medicine. http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/2390
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On the news today is the video of a cop shooting a person for no good reason, then planting the stun-gun to support his shooting.
I was asking yesterday “Do they have enough watchers to watch the watchers?”
Yes , we do. The camera is cheap enough to put everywhere and soon every law enforcement person will have to have one watching his/her actions when they are on duty.
If the video shows the officer did not identify himself, or ask the “mentally ill” person if he/she sees the badge and uniform he is wearing, it show the officer did not show due diligence when arresting someone.
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If you are a police officer sitting in a cop car, and there is a (1) one criminal in the hundreds passing by, you don’t know which one it is. You the police officer have a big sign on you, identifying you work for law. The police officer is essentially a “sitting duck” for the hardened criminal to shoot at. So a paranoid attitude towards the public (by the police) is understandable in my opinion.
What police are missing is nets. They used to use nets back in the Roman Gladiator days. Today they got to shoot someone with something.
If the suspect/perpetrator has no firearm or motor-vehicle , there is no reason for deadly force.
The subject of this article is the individual under arrest being able to understand why they are under arrest. Some people refuse authority or purpose, some are too stupid to know you must obey the man/woman with the badge.
Politically incorrect to call people stupid today, but there are two kinds of stupid people who disobey the police.
The police assume the person is willfully disobeying.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHZMoPV1rog
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Regarding” I do not think tragedies like this are reducible to such explanations.” Timothy Kelly.
Can I claim that at my DUI trial?
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Regarding “I wonder how many similar cases have been buried?”
I read health services blogs. I remember one case where the “psychotic” guy kept getting injected with antipsychotics, to fight the no-existent psychotic molecule.
The health service worker, killed his patient with a clear conscious. The patient died of “excited delirium”.
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Too little hope VS too much hope.
Too much apathy VS too little apathy.
Apathy ( definition from the internet) Apathy is one of the hallmark symptoms of schizophrenia . An absence of interest in or concern about emotional, social, spiritual, philosophical and/or physical life.
Why aren’t you following orders?
““Apathy and indifference is the final result of all of the most potent psychiatric treatments.” Peter R. Breggin, MD
The golden rule.
http://www.guerrillalaw.com/images/goldenrule.gif
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RE:” the extremely high blood levels”
How about they were killed? That doesn’t happen? Right…
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Hospitals are for physically ill people who want medical treatment. The place is not a hospital, it is a prison.
If the person can not leave, that is called a prison.
From the start it is a lie if they call it a hospital.
Then those in the prison-that-is-not-a-prison must consume the NEW GOD of the holy magical chemical. Praise the Holy molecule. Then the prisoner gets their freedom.
Idolatry
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idolatry
used to go to large objects, now it goes to the tiniest of objects, the molecule.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorazepam#/media/File:Lorazepam3DanJ.gif
http://www.exoticindiaart.com/sculptures/Hindu/goddess/
http://www.pacificheritage.com/
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Children have no legal rights to refuse psychiatry.
Szasz called it Rape.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=2pduB22E43oC&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Giving a child a psychiatric drug is poisoning, not treatment. Call child psychiatry by its correct name, “psychiatric rape.” https://books.google.ca/books?id=2pduB22E43oC&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=szasz+psychiatric+rape&source=bl&ots=EPn-YfNb6M&sig=k-lU78UIUDxT5bIDnZj06ntvCqc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=veQbVb7AFYSkgwSNrYPgCQ&ved=0CGYQ6AEwDA#v=onepage&q=szasz%20psychiatric%20rape&f=false
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I know people have reasons for behaving and feeling the way they do, not brain chemical imbalances.
Anyone who is selling ” No one knows”, does not want confrontation to take place, or responsibility to be assigned.
Is he/she preaching to himself? I bought it for a moment. We humans know microbiology and DNA.
Few want to be held accountable for their actions.
Criminals specially do not want to be held accountable.
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warmacs analogy is true.
Like a homosexual is neither bad nor good, a schizophrenic is neither bad or good.
The homosexual/the schizo will be fixed because the doctor doesn’t like him/her , is not a medical treatment.
Behaviors are not diseases.
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If you go or participate in a ECT protest, you have to bring a VISUAL. and KIS= keep it simple.
I have gone to several ECT protests here in Montreal, Canada. It is an annual event.
The police stopped me one time and asked me about my protest sign I was bringing.
“What is this ETC”? they asked me.
“It is when a doctor puts electricity through your brain.” I responded.
“They do that?” the police responded.
A large photo of a brain, or something similar is necessary to get the onlookers to understand what we are protesting.
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If it looks defective it is defective. Spartans killed the visibly defective http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/8-reasons-it-wasnt-easy-being-spartan
If a tree did not produce fruit they would cut it down. Bible “A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”
Modern psychiatry predicts a bad outcome , then makes it come true with the meds/drugs/chemicals.
Circular reasoning.
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Thanks for speaking up, asking questions. Like questioning the sun circles the earth VS the earth circles the sun.
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RE:” An alias to be a commenter”
“Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.” Oscar Wilde
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Another study
“Reporting Bias in Drug Trials Submitted to the Food and Drug Administration: Review of Publication and Presentation ” Kristin Rising, Peter Bacchetti, Lisa Bero Published: November 25, 2008
http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0050217
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Thanks for reminding me of the publication bias of not reporting studies that show the ineffectiveness of a drug.
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Regarding the word schizophrenia. As long as people believed in witches, they named people witches. As long as there are slave owners, they will name their slaves, as slaves.
If you can’t name someone “schizophrenic” then you can not forcibly control them, such as jailing them(call it a hospital) or forcibly drug them (call it medicine).
“sane behavior is attributed to reasons (choices), insane behavior to causes (diseases)”, Thomas Szasz. http://www.academyanalyticarts.org/szasz.htm
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Regarding: What is your proposed alternative?
Start with the truth. There is no brain chemical imbalance. No prescribed chemical is fixing a brain chemical imbalance.
No one should be put in prison BEFORE they commit a crime.
No child should be drugged for behaving like a child.
“I just don’t see the point in this method of criticism” you want to go back to judging witches on wither they float or not? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunking
Like the water test, modern psychiatry can only perceive success in its actions when it drugs someone.
If psychiatry does NOT drug someone , and the person gets better, how is psychiatry to get the credit?
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Regarding the “Hero” role . The last psychiatrist (Dr.Chris Ballas) likely also thinks himself a Hero.
“Was Charlie really going to die in the water? Was he really going to get hit by lightning? Is Desmond actually saving him, or is it all– wishful thinking?… The action wasn’t just heroic; it was heroic and defining.”
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/02/lost_tv_series_desmonds_fear_a.html
The psychiatrist predicts the (bad) future, where no one knows the future. The psychiatric drugs do affect the brain. The family of the patient does believe the man in the white coat , and will help the doctor any way they can to save their loved one. A psychiatric diagnosis and treatment is self fulfilling prophesy.
Forced psychiatry is fraud.
Looking forwards to the new book
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How do you stop a con game? Stop the source of money. How? Show the money is being wasted. The “con artist” does not want the con to stop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick
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Adults who want to take drugs should be given that right. Children on the other hand have to be protected by their Government.
If there is no chemical imbalance in the body/brain of a child, then they medically do not need the chemical “Ritalin”.
You have to prove a physical defect before you give ( or force) a physical solution.
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Regarding the “no thank you” article link.
The question we should be asking is “Who is the insane person?”
Max Pemberton ( the author) does not think he has a mental illness.
I say he has the mental illness.
1) The patient he claims to be his, is not his patient, as the person is unwilling.
2) The chemicals he prescribes are not medicines, but drugs, for there is no physical illness in mental illness. The application of the chemical is not medicinal.
3) To lose ones freedom, is not “in their best interests” as he claims.
He is the insane one, imagining himself a Jesus-healer, with drugs he calls medicines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracles_of_Jesus
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RE: Locking people up (who are called mad) historically.
Yes , In the year 1795 Pinel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Pinel wanted better treatment of the insane.
If one person has money to spend to lock up another, they can spend the money.
“The only difference between the sane and the insane is that the sane have the power to lock up the insane.” – Hunter S. Thompson
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Frank. I am saying back before microbiology, peoples behaviors likely were caused by physical disease. You turn it around and write many with mind altering diseases were free to roam about.
If I had a real physical disease altering my mind I would want a cure, (forced treatment) wouldn’t you?
Doctors/Dorothea Dix believed they were helping people in hospitals.
In Shakespeare day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare there was no piped water supply, no sewage system, no firefighters, no public money for the ill.
Free healthcare /Socialized medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_medicine is a relatively new thing.
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The data will take too long to show up. If you have a person who has been chemically lobotomized, they are less able to take care of their health, no mind to mind the store with, so obviously they will have a shorter life span.
There are five references on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Mental_Illness
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Will society collapse when all these poisoned children reach adulthood? How many sane children/people left are there?
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Regarding “This disabled adult” if you put someone on psychiatric drugs they can not take care of themselves due to the chemicals effects on the body and brain. What do you do then? You have to put someone in charge of the disabled adult. Does the disabled adult enjoy someone being in charge of them? Likely no, so more psychiatric drugs for any resistance to the “person-in-charge”/owners orders.
Who profits from this? The Pharma Co. selling a cure/treatment for a fictional disease everyone believes in.
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Frank you ignore the reality of Syphilis in the time period of Dorothea Dix. What do you do with a mad person? Someone you can not reason with?
Yes I agree the mad should have be imprisoned at that time. Torture and death are secondary effects of the imprisonment.
Psychiatry was trying to control people who will not or can not control themselves. Before the year 1943 there was no treatment for Syphilis there was no microbiology.
Today we are left with a profession that presumed the cause of madness was a physical ailment/ physical defect. The Pharma Co. of today exploits the hope for a magic pill that will make people “good” instead of “bad”. They exploit hope for money and they get the money from Government.
Todays PRE-crime use of psychiatry is of course wrong. A person should have to commit a crime before they are sent to a helpful prison.
The pen is mightier than the sword. Some people are too stupid to understand this imaginary concept is real .
The psychiatric action of threatening to take away a persons freedom (pen on paper) will likely make them angry, the anger at receiving “help” proves the person is “unwell” . This kind of psychiatry is a fraud. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/3311242/Trust-me-Im-a-junior-doctor-in-psychiatry-you-never-get-thanked.html
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Regarding “The psychiatric/drug company system is not going to give up its power without a fight.”
Who is paying the “psychiatric/drug company system” ?
Who is paying the 18 billion dollar (a year) bill (U.S.) for antipsychotics?
Medicare / Medicaid is paying. Are they getting the results they want?
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Descriptions of `bad`behaviours (without telling the subject what the problem is) is mostly insults.
A comic explains the psychiatric diagnosis. “You have a fat ass” is an insult so they fancy it up so the insulted doesn’t feel or perceive the insult. http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1679#comic
People are out to get your money, if you are not paranoid enough you lose it to con men like Bernard Madoff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
If they really wanted you dead they would kill you. Boris Nemtsov, age 55 http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03/01/i-am-not-afraid-more-than-20000-march-in-moscow-to-protest-killing-of-prominent-putin-rival/
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Schizos not being watched enough was 2007, Snowden was 2013
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The article was PRE Snowden I believe
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Do they mostly follow the rule in prisons? Yes. Why do they follow the rules? They will follow the rules eventually. I’m thinking a lawsuit and the hospital-jail has no documents to prove the patient went outside once a day.
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The world runs on money. The descriptive term {“high” and “low” functioning} is not going to go away because the term is necessary to define how much money needs to be spent.
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The meaning of words is what Szasz wrote about. If two people have a different meaning for the same word, they have problems. The one in power wins. Is it medicine, chemical, drug or poison? Is it a hospital or a prison? All depends on someones perspective. Then the slave must learn to agree with the master.
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Great job, Jonathan Dosick.
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Regarding “fought so long and hard” .
Brainwashing http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/brainwashing.htm
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Regarding “…a period of not sleeping properly, getting a lifetime of visits to misinformed, patronising doctors and neurotoxic drugs.”
That’s it.
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Blade Runner (1982)
Holden: You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back, Leon.
Leon: Do you make up these questions, Mr. Holden? Or do they write ’em down for you?
Holden: The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t. Not without your help. But you’re not helping.
Leon: [angry at the suggestion] What do you mean, I’m not helping?
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I would not use the Onion as a source of humor because of “The Onion: Is The Government Spying On Paranoid Schizophrenics Enough?” http://www.wired.com/2007/10/the-onion-news/
Where the Onion makes fun of paranoid schizophrenia.
Such a powerful ( widely known) media site , should make fun of the rich and powerful, instead of making fun of the least powerful member of society.
While “God Diagnosed With Bipolar Disorder” http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-diagnosed-with-bipolar-disorder,348/
Is making fun of psychiatric diagnosis ( I hope)
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They get to decide who deserves to be in prison, and who does not. The whole thing is a joke as only criminals (convicted) deserve to be in prison.
If you can not leave, it is a prison. Few understand this.
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Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Marketing to Doctors (HBO)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQZ2UeOTO3I
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I knew of one person who I was close with who completed suicide.
I think of what could I do to save them if I could go back in time.
You wrote “Every plastic bag or Styrofoam cup enraged him(Joel)”. I also can feel anger at the pollution.
Yes I think it is the ease at which Americans can get a firearm contributes to completed suicides.
If my son or daughter was thinking suicidal, the only solution is to move to another country that does not have such easy access.
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Regarding ” a more efficient way to get water.” A literal result of the increase of water to a village will be excessive WASTE water that will need to be treated. http://um-images.s3.amazonaws.com/2009/07/riversewagecartoon.jpg
Psychiatry that now drugs people excessively is wasting human lives. If the religion of meds-drugs comes to an end, people would likely be more productive. As most work is done by machine today, the work would be artistic.
IMO the meds-drugs are for the fear of (the results of) anger. Fear (of the anger) from both the patient and the psychiatrist keep people on the meds-drugs.
Thomas Szasz said “the neurotic has problems, the psychotic has solutions” http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasszas155761.html
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Rosenhan said it when he told of his time in the hospital. You tell the psychiatrists what they want to hear.
” I am sick but getting better”
They want to hear ” Thank you for your help” and “Yes the medicine is working”
If you do not complain, what is their reason to medically treat you?
http://www.bonkersinstitute.org/rosenhan.html
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To JeffreyC, there is this thing called lying. You can lie and say you take the psych drugs/meds, but in reality do not. You would do this to get the decent housing. Only if you have a criminal record could they enforce the drugging, otherwise it is your freedom to choose the method of ingestion of the psychiatric drugs.
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Regarding “Abandon the scientific method?”
You are joking right?
Do you remember the lobotomy? Doctors removed/destroyed the brain as the solution to behavioral problems?
The scientific method? There is no physical illness in mental illness and they apply physical solutions… this makes sense?
The second worst solution to the problem of mental illness is passing electricity through the brain. How in the world can this electricity help the cognitive function of the patient?
Psychiatry is based on using force instead of using reason(cooperation) with their subject/patient.
Psychiatry exists for multiple reasons, the chief one is that regular people need a doctor to legitimize their use of drugs. Without a doctor what differentiates them from the back ally junkie?
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“A person has a right to refuse treatment for cancer. A person does not have a right to refuse treatment for mental illness. If institutional psychiatrists are deprived of their power by the state to deprive mentally ill persons of their liberty, that is, if the state did not allow psychiatrists to enslave their patients in the name of liberating them, institutional psychiatry would go the way of slavery, as well it should. ” J. A. Schaler
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Psychiatric Slavery by Thomas Szasz
Syracuse University Press, 1998 – Medical – 159 pages
In this short work, Dr. Szasz takes aim at conventional psychiatry, and at the attendent system of courts, hospitals, and psychiatrists who confine patients against their will. The focal point is a Supreme Court case involving a man forcibly committed to a Florida asylum for 14 years. In refuting the widely held notion that the Donaldson case represents an advancement in the rights of mental patients, Dr. Szasz has put the American legal establishments on trial.
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Another link to Sen Deeds
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/virginia-sen-recounts-mentally-ill-son-attacking-him/
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Like I wrote before, parents and children(adult) have to be separated over power issues.
Who is the Captain of the ship? The King and Queen do not want to give up their throne/power and will use psychiatry to get what they want. Control.
Another example of anger and suicide. “Sen. Creigh Deeds Talks About Stabbing, Son’s Suicide”
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20779603,00.html
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IMO suicide can be an act of anger. The person has too much suppressed anger. Are you allowed to be, and get angry at your authority figure?(mom/dad)
Another example is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Chuvalo#Personal_life
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FYI “Wikipedia Purged a Group of Feminist Editors Because of Gamergate”
http://internet.gawker.com/wikipedia-purged-a-group-of-feminist-editors-because-of-1681463331
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They are fighting over who gets to own the prisoners. You have to commit a crime first (with proof and a trial) before you lose your freedom.
ER Nurse bloger writes it is all a set up, they( medical psychiatry) take away a persons freedom then wait for them to get angry (during the long wait) so they can call them sick and drug them.http://emergency-room-nurse.blogspot.ca/2015/01/mental-health-patients-are-treated-like.html
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Neurosis, delusions and hallucinations come from the brain. Drugging the brain does stop the problem. In the long run though, a person needs to use their brain. their cognitive abilities to look after themselve, so the neurosis and delusions have to be confronted with reason , love and science instead of being swept under the (d)rug. The rug can only hide so much dirt underneath.
Outcomes from from the bible “You will know them by their fruits. Every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.”
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Being put in a prison that everyone calls a hospital may cause this “Humpty Dumpty”
Presumed guilty+ dangerous instead of presumed innocent and safe.
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The psychiatric diagnosis is like a snowball going downhill, the longer you have the diagnosis, the bigger the physical and psychological effects.
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Getting rid of the worthless has been around since the beginning of time.
You have to have a purpose in your life, and perform work of some kind.
If you do not, you are like the Biblical ” The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree…”And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.'”
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Meaning… You have to prove it isn`t an accident, which you can`t.
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Survivor of psychiatry
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“… state sanctioned policies by which certain groups of individuals were allowed to procreate and others not” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_hygiene
“…government policies … which… force people to undergo surgical or other sterilization” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization#United_States
It’s just an accident.
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The importance of adult children to get away from their parents can not be underestimated. Once a mental patient , a child for life.
The parent does not want bad things to happen to their child, but with freedom and independence bad things can happen.
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Hi Rossa. Thanks for writing. Yes I agree the relationships are very complex.
It is all history, or water under the bridge so to speak.
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Separation of church and state.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States
A persons “mental health” is a religion, as the persons mind is judged sane or insane based on a psychiatrists (priest of the holy molecule) opinion.
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So the Government needs some Benzo’s? ( for their worry)
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Regarding “drugs as medicines” . All medicines are drugs, but drugs are not medicines.
Once a doctor prescribes a drug, it magically becomes a medicine.
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Do people with acute psychosis sleep? I don’t think so. I think YES an anesthetic could help.
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Regarding “Tell all that to the families of opiate addicts who suffer while watching the steady decline of their loved ones”
The only person that can stop an opiate user, is the user himself.
At the age of 18 or 21 ( depending where you live) we are supposed to be responsible adults, if not ( an adult yet) the legal drinking age should be changed.
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“One can take virtually any single compound, carry out animal studies with varying doses, and find something that can be used to raise alarm.” http://blogs.nature.com/soapboxscience/2013/05/29/the-presence-of-a-chemical-is-not-the-same-as-presence-of-risk
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Szasz was an advocate for the legalization of all drugs to (responsible) adults. If this took place it would take the burden of responsibility out of the psychiatrists hands.
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The King and Queen can not abdicate their position of power, and do not want to give up their authority. The only solution is physical separation, different castles ( living in different houses/apartments) so that physical conflict between the Prince and his parents is reduced. In time hopefully the Prince will create an income from work to sustain his independence and find a Princess/wife/mate.
Myself , my severe shyness kept me from social interaction with members of the opposite sex the same age. Being lonely and independent is not sustainable, because there is no joy in the independence. My income came from a Government disability welfare , that is nothing to be proud of. Of what value was I ?
My mother would tell me how great I was , while my father would tell me how lazy I was. Who was I to believe? Bipolar thinking of how great I was, to how horrible I was, was constant.
Today, my father has finally shut up, and gives no more orders.
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Other male animals when the reach sexual maturity.
” A herd is made up of one adult male with a harem of mares and their young. Once another colt comes of age, he must either challenge the dominant stallion or leave the herd.”http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/kids/animal-facts/wild_horse.asp
“Male elephants spend their formative years with the herd, but leave around age 13 to 14 — when puberty sets in.” http://animals.pawnation.com/elephants-leave-herd-3103.html
“Some of the younger wolves of the pack may leave to find vacant territory and a mate.”
” … take orders from their parents and older brothers and sisters, but their relationships with each other change frequently. During their play and other activities, they are constantly testing one mother (another) to find out who will eventually be “top wolf” in their age group
http://www.wolfweb.com/facts-pack.html
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Thank You [Somebody Else] for stating” So called “schizophrenics” don’t deserve to be forced onto these toxic drugs either.”
I am angry about it for myself and the millions of other people who have been conned.
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I think is great that you as a normal person got to experience the psychiatric drugs. I as a schizophrenic have no choice about the consumption of psychiatric drugs. And schizophrenics deserve the medication right?
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Hi Fiachra. You did post your belief on psychiatric treatment on Wikipedia. You believe in ECT as a treatment apparently, as you gave a favorable HTML link to Lou Reed. Lou Reed got ECT for treatment of his homosexuality .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_undergone_electroconvulsive_therapy
Links to “Can electroshock therapy make you a better singer?”
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That there is no physical disease basis of mental illness, upsets those that follow the work of Eugen Bleuler . Emotions are not diseases.
Thanks for the work that critics the Eugenics. People make choices to do good things or bad things, it is not in their DNA.
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incident not “indecent.”
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Rossa, Imagine you have been mauled by a dog in the past, then when out for a walk you are surprised by a dog. The dog is harmless, but it reminds you of your previous indecent. A warning before you see the dog is nice to have.
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Another poison people voluntarily take is Alcohol. Can a drunk be psychotic?
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@ Mikeymike Regarding “What happens if the person kills themselves in between? ”
There is two steps in suicide, not one. The person feels something unbearable first, then second, decides on a action. A person can not feel suicide, they can think of the action of suicide to solve the problem they have.
I maintain the broken bone analogy works. If you suddenly stop drugs, it is the equivalent of removing the cast ( on a broken bone) and expecting to walk with shrunken muscles.
For myself, I think a quick as possible quitting is the best method. The longer the cast is on, the longer the time to heal.
“The mind should control the body. When you move your fingers, when you move your toes, that’s done by the mind. Remember this: your body is your slave; it works for you. If you had people working for you, employees, and it was very important what condition they were in, boy, you’d make sure you fed them right, you exercised them, gave them everything they needed so they could do things for you, right?” said Jack LaLanne.
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Yes AA , it can take longer to withdraw.
There are two factors like in smoking, physical addiction and psychological addiction/conditioning.
If you are trying to quit smoking and you switch brands of cigarettes (switching drugs), you still have a physical addiction.
If your brain is permanently damaged from the psychiatric drugs ( I think mine is), there is no solution, but acceptance. Searching for another drug ( the external fix) is unlikely to heal the damage. Healing comes from your bodies ability to repair itself, and from your soul/mind.
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This is good news, science is investigating. The same dopamine neurons in the stomach are in the brain. http://mindhacks.com/2009/09/02/a-kick-in-the-guts-for-parkinsons-disease/
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Prove there is a psychotic molecule first in the blood and brain of the “patient”, before you apply the antipsychotic countermeasure.
There is no psychotic molecule. The drugs are a chemical lobotomy. If a person is young and healthy enough, the brain can recover from the poison.
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If a person quits smoking or cigarettes, the physical symptoms take a month to end, or in other words, it takes a month for the brain to fix itself. Like if you break your leg it takes some time for the bone to heal.
Then after the bone heals, the muscles have shrunk for not being used, so you could call the leg “diseased”, but all it is, is the muscles need to be exercised again. This healing takes time.
I.M.O. taking more drugs to fix withdrawal from other drugs is a mistake.
Look at the other living creatures on the planet. What do they do? They eat, poop, fight and reproduce. Humans have to eat (healthy), fight something/someone, and have sex, just like all the other animals on the planet.
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The Law is only as strong as those that would enforce it.
Who is going to enforce the Nuremberg code (of 1947) if all the doctors are paid by big Pharma?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code
No one.
Anyone have examples ?
I can think of the following example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
and a huge list here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
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If not personal shame, then the shame of the family needs the brain chemical imbalance theory to explain their loved ones actions. And who ever is playing the bills, ( the family in general) they like the magical medication explanation. Its the damn chemicals fault!
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I wrote “guilt” of not being perfect. There is also the PRIDE of people, to admit their emotions affected their rational logical mind, is too much for some, they would rather blame their human mistakes on chemical imbalances. http://mindhacks.com/2009/03/14/is-psychiatry-a-religion/
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The brain chemical imbalance theory , a brain that needs fixing by psychiatric medications, is an invention to appease the guilt some people feel for not being perfect machines.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Somatoform+Disorders
You need to identify the difference between a drug and a medicine.
A medicine has a start and stop date.
A drug is used when their is no physical damage or illness, used continually.
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The disease model of mental illness gave (and gives) lobotomy (or Bilateral cingulotomy) legitimacy.
“Recent technological advances, however, have made bilateral cingulotomy a more precise operation.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilateral_cingulotomy
Where removing the brain of the patient is viewed as curing the patient of their symptoms.
Removing all possible behaviour, both bad and good is a cure for mental illness, and there is few to complain of the cure.
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To refuse to admit a mistake is to make it twice.
Whitaker has found much evidence that long term use of psychiatric drugs make patients worse.http://robertwhitaker.org/robertwhitaker.org/Antipsychotic%20drugs%20and%20chronic%20illness.html
Psychiatry refuses to admit they are making people worse.
I do not think Frances and Whittaker have any common ground to start a discussion.
IMO The solution starts with money, where does it come from, and where does it go.
The Government that pays for the drugs and the psychiatric help should demand the money back and stop paying for services that do not work, but the government representatives that approve the expenditures is full of doctors who believe in a chemical lobotomy.
Like a bunch of drug dealers being asked to stop selling/pushing drugs onto their clients.
“The people want the drugs, or the people need the drugs” the drug dealers would say.
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The solution to higher alcohol taxes is Moonshiners. http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/12/02/exclusive-clip-new-show-moonshine-shows-secrets-behind-illegal-stills/
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Forced to perform works of Art in art therapy. We will keep you in this prison we-call-a-hospital if you do not perform Art! What a joke.
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“psychiatric survivors, ex-inmates of psychiatric prisons, to take the initiative in having a say, and in demanding human rights and social justice.”
How many c/s/x have a degree, or have written a book, of have experience and skill/confidence enough to speak publicly? Where does their (c/s/x) money (income) come from? As in, Who is paying them? What work is being performed?
The fact is billions of dollars are being made by psychiatry and Pharma Co. .
Opportunists
http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20141123.png
Where is the money coming from?
In voluntary psychiatry the consumer pays. Buyer beware.
In involuntary psychiatry the Government pays the bill. The Government should want to pay the lowest cost, or get the results they want from the money they spend.
To a psychiatrist there is a perverse incentive, the more sick there are, the more money and more power is given to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive
The (much earlier) death of the mentally ill person is attributed to THE mental illness , so there is no problem.
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Transference is a phenomenon characterized by unconscious redirection of feelings from one person to another.
This is the source for the statement “I know that many of the professionals who attend ISEPP feel so stellar and superior to their clients that it really isn’t funny. ”
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If you are angry, then you are not depressed.
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Only science might stop E.C.T. if you/we can document the “bad” outcomes.
“… the cost-benefit analysis for ECT is so poor that its use cannot be scientifically justified.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21322506
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Ted wrote “We have to find a way to get this message to the public”
The public does not want to know/ learn that psychiatric drugs do not work as advertised.
The public doesn’t want to take drugs like that illegal drug addict, they want to take medicine from a doctor, a psychiatrist gives legitimacy to their drug use.
$9.4 Billion in sales (estimated).http://www.madinamerica.com/2013/10/research-markets-u-s-anti-depressant-market-currently-stands-9-4-billion-2013-peaking-12-billion-2008/
Regarding The Murphy’s bill, called the Helping Families in Mental Health Crisis Act. The family feels fear from the “crazy” person. If more power is given to drug people, the more sick there will be, as once a person is drugged they are unlikely to have a mind capable of taking care of themselves. People see the drugging as compassion , and compassion must be given to the sick.
Cruel Compassion: Psychiatric Control of Society’s Unwanted http://books.google.ca/books/about/Cruel_Compassion.html?id=2pduB22E43oC
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Regarding Ted’s “moral outrage”.
When a person is feeling and expressing outrage (anger) they are judged “psychotic” and potentially dangerous, then drugged/medicated for their inappropriate response to receiving “help”.
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Anyone can remove it. There is no” one” person. If you follow the rules and it meets the criteria you can make an publish any article you like. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_development
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People don’t die of old age, they die of inactivity. http://www.jacklalanne.com/jacks-adventures/lalanneisms.php
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Jack Lalanne said the only way to hurt the human body is to NOT exercise. http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jacklalann258848.html
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There is another study on coffee “Scientists say DNA determines coffee consumption”
If they can make this stick “have now pinpointed six new gene variations” for coffee, they can do it for schizophrenia.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/scientists-say-dna-determines-coffee-consumption/
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From the video, the third thing, “Everything changes”
This is a lie.
A psychiatric diagnosis , a prejudice , never goes away.
Once a criminal, always a criminal.
“Once a schizophrenic, always a schizophrenic”
The schizophrenia diagnosis gave me the reason to try to kill myself twenty years ago.
Drugs, drugs and more drugs, instead of confrontation. Bury all the upsetting thoughts and feelings with legal drugs.
If you got the money (unlimited from Government) and got the drugs (unlimited from Government) drugs for life might work for appearances.
BUT IT IS A SLOW SUICIDE, instead of a fast one.
Average life expectancy of the seriously mentally ill is 25 years less than the average.
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The Wikipedia’s definition of anti-psychiatry is well written.
Anti-psychiatry has been active for almost two centuries, and is the view that many psychiatric treatments are ultimately more damaging than helpful to patients. Psychiatry is seen by proponents of anti-psychiatry as a coercive instrument of oppression. According to anti-psychiatry, psychiatry involves an unequal power relationship between doctor and patient, and a highly subjective diagnostic process, leaving too much room for opinions and interpretations.
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BUT today I used the public libraries computer and discovered my comment is not displaying.
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@tusu Regarding “severely mentally ill”.
No one wakes up one day “severely mentally ill”.
“you first make thieves and then punish them” Sir Thomas More
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Genes make you drink coffee, you silly robot. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/10/07/dna-link-coffee/16852617/
Imagine if you don’t enjoy coffee, you would not be in the eight gene variants. Those defining coffee as “bad”, would say those who enjoy coffee is bad.
If you have no imagination, you would not be in the schizophrenia DNA group. Just like a lobotomy/brain damage cures mental illness. The human is to stupid to be mentally ill if they don’t have a brain.
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When is this drug going to hit the street market?
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Wikipedia is not a democracy. Doctors who have the biological model of mental illness in their mind , are correcting any unconventional Wikipedia addition. The doctors do not perceive their own fear of psychosis is keeping their patients on drugs for the patients lifetime. The patient is not supposed to feel pain, anger or discomfort, so once given the drugs, they must be kept on them. Those with the gold make the rules.
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“Is there any evidence demonstrating ” http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb00/schizophrenia.aspx
Harding’s study in The American Journal of Psychiatry (Vol. 144, No. 6, p. 718-735) showed that 62 percent to 68 percent of those former back ward patients showed no signs at all of schizophrenia. “They just didn’t have them anymore.”
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Simple enough to test if the Government really wants to test.
Put person in a fMRI and scan their brain and have lie detector (respiratory rate , heartbeat and skin conductivity) running .When shown a video of war or whatever causes PTSD in that particular person, the monitoring devices should get a measurement to confirm or deny PTSD.
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You should not say “Where?” but “Why?”
Why does he claim 500,000 people in jail are innocent? because he wants psychiatry to own the prisoners, not the law.
He and psychiatry (and pharma Co.) will get money and prestige from “helping” the ill.
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On Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_schizophrenia
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You wrote “Now it’s up to those modern shamans who escape psychiatry’s clutches to bring the system down.”
Szasz basically said follow the money, as in “who benefits?”
Coercive psychiatry gets its money from the Government, the Government has unlimited funds.
http://www.madinamerica.com/2014/10/outpatient-committal-politics-psychiatry-culture-fear
” government envisaged 350-450 CTOs would be issued … 4,764 people were subject to such orders.”
The psychiatrist doesn’t pay the taxpayer does, then in public the taxpayer is pissed off at the non-working S.M.I. , so we have conflicts between the working average Joe and the psychiatric-drug-brain addled victim.
Few blame the psychiatrist for predicting the future, the need of “medication” to prevent a possible “bad” future that has not happened yet.
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To my knowledge Neuroleptics were accidentally found.
They had bizarre treatments for M.I. in the past.
One was immersion in cold water. They did not want the victim to shiver. The alienist/psychiatrist were told of this new poison that stopped shivering. The patients did not shiver when given the poison.
Then they decided the patient did not need the cold water treatment, the patients symptoms (bad behaviour) have gone away ( the patients brain was no longer functioning).
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gardenlisa October 18, 2014 at 9:30 pm said:
“his room needs a deep cleaning”
IMO if it is his room, he has to clean it.
I assume he has the capability to clean it. Or can hire someone to clean it.
A “seriously mentally ill” friend of mine pays for a cleaner to clean his apartment.
You have to decide if he is a child or an adult and let him make mistakes and/or live with his decisions.
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@boans October 19, 2014 at 3:54 am
Use common sense.
Is the doctor a licensed doctor? Yes
Who does the doctor work for?
What is the doctors job?
Are you really being assaulted?
No, so “bury my thumb up to my wrist in his eye socket. ” is an unreasonable amount of force response to his/her effort to examine your physical health.
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Describing a behavior as a disease is wrong. Behaviors can be learned and changed. Many are eager to sell a drug, and there are few profiting from not selling a drug solution.
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“have you been on them for any length of time and then just stopped taking them?”
Yes, it is a literal hell, but my preferred method.
At the age of 19 I was diagnosed with serious mental illness and drugged in hospital for several months.
I had my own apartment for 17 years until it was repossessed by the new building owner for his own son. I am now 46.
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You wrote “I am trying to get my son off this toxic rubbish”
IMO it is up to your son, he has to decide to take, or not to take the drugs. How fast to stop, if he decides to stop.
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@gardenlisa IMO coldturkey does not inflict permanent harm.
When off the psychiatric drugs emotional control is much more difficult, as the emotions have been suppressed by the drugs. I write my feeling out on paper to help purge myself of them.
If your son can not understand the necessity of food and cleanliness, that is a serious cognitive problem.
His brother can not reason with him if he is complaining to you about the cleanliness?
Violence will occur when/if your son confronts the other son.
He has to understand the necessity of food and cleanliness.
Does he have money to buy food/make a budget? A way to get to the store? A list of food he wants to eat? Does he know how to clean? Does he have the cleaning tools?
He is changing from child to adult, and if he himself can not perceive the necessity of food and cleanliness as an adult he deserves to lose his freedom.
When I was his age I was depressed. Is depression (not caring) the reason he doesn’t look after himself?
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The Problem, Drugs: If the person forcibly hospitalized, once informed of their rights, can argue-ask for their freedom and is physically relatively healthy, they should get their freedom. If the patient is drugged , they can not cognitively think to ask – or argue for their freedom. The default is drug everyone stupid so they can’t complain about being in prison. The drug companies make billions. The patients can’t prove their innocence. No one in power is made upset.
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Exercise is impossible when a person is in hospital-jail. I had to pretend to smoke to get to go outside for smoking breaks. Criminal prisoners have better rights than mental patients.
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Forced hospitalization and forced drugging are two different things.
If you are reasonable you would see the need for forced hospitalization.
There has to be physical proof the person is too irrational before they lose their freedom from an legal commitment order.
To do nothing, in the example of when someone is starving themselves (say half normal body weight) is wrong. A doctor would have to force feed the patient until it can be verified the patients brain has proper nutrition/can think rationally. When severely malnourished the brain can not/does not function.
A slow suicide (example of smoking>to>lung cancer) is OK/rational, a quick suicide is wrong/bad/irrational.
I am against forced drugging and ECT. I think everyone forced into a hospital has to get a lawyer to explain to the prisoner why they are there confined in the hospital. If prisoners are not told specifically what the (their) problem is, the patient/prisoner can not possibly change or fix the problem.
The prisoner has to be given a chance to escape the prison, change themselves and abide by any rules that have been broken.
The goal of hospitalization: The goal is that society wants a functional person out of prison. Give the patient the option of joining the “it’s a prison” side or “it’s a hospital” side.
Call me a fool , not a liar : Prison type of person admits their errors (breaking the rules), they chose the action/behaviour those with the Gold (money) don’t like.
Call me a liar , not a fool: Hospital type of person denies responsibility for their actions that got them committed and wants medicine for their disease.
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They have a color photo of a brain if you click on the link to the article.
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“It is better one hundred innocent Persons should be found guilty and suffer (psychiatric drugs and psychiatric prison), than that one guilty Person should escape.” says Psychiatry.
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A CTOs doesn’t cost the psychiatrist any money. It is the taxpayers money.
Szasz often said “cui bono/Who benefits?”
Comedy.You have to wait until the end for the punchline. Possible unsafe language NSFW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWEnqC1uPu0
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Thanks Seth
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I was too quick to judge.
On second look, I started in the wrong section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy#Controversy_over_long-term_effects_on_general_cognition
There are sections that do question ECT’s effectiveness.
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I just found the ECT article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy
Totally biased towards ECT as safe and effective.
The vampires say everything is fine with the amount of blood they are sucking from their victims.
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I am sure you meant you wanted comments from Sandra Steingard, M.D. but I will comment.
You wrote “psychiatry… assumes that emotional suffering is a medical problem”.
I would say psychiatrists are forced into that position, when they get a patient, they have to treat them.
IMO
There are two different psychiatric patients, the voluntary and the coerced. Shrinks can not perceive the difference between the two.
Antipsychotics/neuroleptic are to make the patient too stupid to be “mentally ill” , as in, if you do not have a brain/mind you can not be psychotic. Similar to the idea of a lobotomy.
The latest spin of psychiatry is making the mentally ill person smarter, too smart to think psychotic. “A neurobiological approach to the cognitive deficits of psychiatric disorders” Dec 2013 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3898680/
I don’t think this will work, because they say you can’t fix stupid. The cognitive deficits are from previous psychiatric treatment.
“Mental illness” occurs when a persons feelings are stronger than their intellectual capacity to function.
This emotional event is usually a temporary situation, but a psychiatrist and their drugs-medicine and jail-hospital make it a permanent lifelong illness.
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Everyone says slow taper/withdrawal. No one knows how fast the brain heals. IMO a slow withdrawal in only continuing the damage.
This article says it takes ONLY two weeks for the brain to heal adenosine receptors, and norepinephrine receptors.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/this-is-how-your-brain-becomes-addicted-to-caffeine-26861037
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I disagree with a mandatory slow taper.
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I forgot
water beats paper
(element vs man-made tool)
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/03/pictures/120309-japan-tsunami-earthquake-anniversary-fukushima/
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Eight years on drugs to destroy your mind-will, I’m sorry.
In the end, I also recognize the power of paper , depending on who is holding the paper and what kind of paper.
Scissors beat paper,
(man-made tool vs man-made tool)
fire beats paper,
(element vs man-made tool)
K Foundation Burn a Million Quid http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/08/time-k-foundation-burned-million-british-pounds-apparent-reason/
rock beats paper
(element vs man-made tool)
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwu4g95NN31qa934ro1_500.jpg
Maybe Ebola beats paper
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-ramps-up-ebola-troop-deployments-total-may-near-4000/ar-BB7hPqw
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Atheist or Agnostic?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos
At 1:47 he describes his Wikipedia problems . Funny.
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Blind experiment
A blind or blinded experiment is an experiment in which information about the test that might lead to bias in the results is concealed from the tester, the subject, or both until after the test.
The hospital volunteered to participate, to my knowledge.
How else (a lie/fraud) do you test a new medicine Frank?
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User:Jmh649 removed ===Neuroleptics=== from Causes of schizophrenia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_schizophrenia 21:32, October 1, 2014
Harding(1987) reported that twenty years later 25% to 50% of the patients were completely off their medications http://www.madinamerica.com/2012/03/the-vermont-longitudinal-study-correction-of-seven-myths/
John Nash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr. does not use neuroleptics.
Neuroleptics have been proven to shrink the brain, this brain damage must contribute to the schizophrenia.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21300943
http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=211017
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
Do you think you can win an editing war fight with a doctor(Jmh649)?
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The second part of the Rosenhan Experiment is clean of fraud. He told a hospital he was sending patients, but sent none. They found fake patients.
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They have been looking for insanity since Jan Janský accidentally four the four blood types. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Janský
People are willing to fund the impossible because they are suckers.
No behaviour or misbehaviour can be a disease, people make choices.
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“is so dull-reflecting the mediocrity”
You have to accept the text can only be slightly altered, but we can still alter it with Whitaker’s medical references.
I made a dent in Wikipedia , then a editor named “Formerly 98” erased my material in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence-based_medicine by removing the psychiatry section.
I would have to find the original person who put “psychiatry” in and ask them to put it back, but it is a lot of work to find the start of that section.
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If you don’t fight, you can’t win.
You have to write calmly and reasonable. If you can’t, it proves them right.
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No need to reconstruct. Maybe.
There is a method to find your original writing, it is still there on Wikipedia but hidden.
If you look at the “history” page of an article, you will find a list of the edits with their dates.
There is a compare function. If you compare two edits (click on a black period between open-close brackets) a new page shows the differences between the two days.
In this page you can find your original writings, no need to reconstruct.
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We are not a “flash in the pan”, we have endurance. As Wikipedia is democratic, if we have a majority of editors and sourced information, changes(edits) will stay in place.
The examples of mental illness are from people who have been drugged off and on all their lives.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cloth_embroidered_by_a_schizophrenia_sufferer.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Artistic_view_of_how_the_world_feels_like_with_schizophrenia_-_journal.pmed.0020146.g001.jpg
No one writes (this medical) drugging as a possible cause for their continual “bad” behavior.
The legal drug dealers will have to face the facts one day, that they made people worse instead of better, with the continual use of drugs on their patients(slaves).
“A slave is he who cannot speak his thoughts.” Euripides (484-406 B.C.)
Today the slave is not allowed his/her thoughts.
We still have our thoughts and the freedom to write, we should continue to express reasoned arguments against the drugs.
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You have to make a Wikipedia user page if you are to be taken seriously on Wikipedia. I am infroming you your name is in the color red, if you have not noticed.
Once your page has been made it will turn blue.
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Currently, before any edits can be made to “psychosis” there has to a discussion-to-consensus on the talk page.
A description of Medical sources that Wiki recognizes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_%28medicine%29
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“His disbelief”. I don’t disbelieve you. I fear you are scaring people not to quit.
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I did not intend to humiliate you Monica.
I think you sell an excessive fear of withdrawing and do not approve.
A doctor gives “hope” to his/her patient not “fear”.
A reason many take the psych drugs, is out of a hope of a better life. Looking for external cures can make people switch to another drug in hope of that one is the right one. It’s just drugs.
“The best way to predict your future is to create it” Abraham Lincoln.
p.s. I think you have a much better life than my own ( I clean up garbage in city parks) , if that is any conciliation to your perception of humiliation.
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You have maximized the gravity of this illness since I’ve known you.
Doctors want you to live.
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K.I.S.S
Keep it simple …..
Do you have food, cloths and shelter? Then things are not that bad.
Look at, or think about at the good things in life, do not focus on the bad things unless you have to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO5m-X-fbaU
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At the wikipedia article on psychosis there has been many edits. Check on your edits. Get a regular account. If you find a problem (1) you are supposed to write about it on the “talk” page of the article (you have to create this) , then (2) you can change it back after you have explained yourself.
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So we have a Wikipedia army.
All edits have to have good references or we will be accused of sock puppetry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry
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I think you misunderstood. Anyone can change the article “back” at any time.
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“feeling suicidal or homicidal” is written in the article.
This is a LIE .
Like saying “I feel like making a sandwich” when really the person feels hungry and the solution is to make a sandwich, they don’t have to make a sandwich.
Or “I feel like punching that guy!” when really the person feels angry and has a choice to fight or flee.
You can THINK suicidal and homicidal, but you can not FEEL those choices.
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Another example of Doctors and the Church (1950) is the Duplessis Orphans.
“The Duplessis Orphans (French: les Orphelins de Duplessis) were the victims of a scheme in which approximately 20,000 orphaned children were falsely certified as mentally ill by the government of the province of Quebec, Canada, and confined to psychiatric institutions.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplessis_Orphans
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Big Money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQgu0MpnKq8
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If you are “schizophrenic” you must believe you are ill.
This article is a joke to the involuntary patient.
An excerpt from successful schizophrenia
{The resident said “Tony, your behavior is sick. We can treat you here as an out-patient, but you must understand you are mentally ill before we can make any progress.”
Tony shouted “No, I’m not. You doctors are crazy if you think I’m mentally ill!” }
http://www.successfulschizophrenia.org/articles/dblbinds.html
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yeah they can’t own a car either, or a house, or anything because they are a slave.
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Regarding [Well, I could quibble with the statement in the first paragraph: “the problem with mental illness is not that people have it but it’s that they BELIEVE they do.”]
Every human being makes mistakes. The trick is when the person is fooled by psychiatry into believing the mistake they made was “mental illness” a permanent lifelong disease.
Tracey Cannon , you must not forget THE FAMILY of the mentally ill person can also believe in the diagnosis/ be tricked into believing .
When I was drugged, I am sure I looked crazy to my visiting family. Unable to speak. This ( also convincing the family) completes the con job.
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Ted wrote “how are we going to change anything”.
I guess you don’t understand the power structure? I will explain it to you as I understand it.
Only Doctors can question other Doctors. Doctors lie and get away with it because no other doctor challenges them.
A prime example of lies is electroconvulsive therapy E.C.T.
Some Doctor claims ECT is
1) safe
2) effective
3) low intensity
4) no pain
E.C.T. is not safe in my opinion. Who judges the treatment safe? A Lobotomy (the inventor Dr Moniz was given a Nobel Prize in 1949) was also judged safe because the death rate was relatively low. Having a living breathing patient but with no mind is considered safe by people who are litteral about the definition of death.
E.C.T. is not effective in treating depression and schizophrenia. How does a physical proceedure work on a non-physical illness (mental illness)? I suggest the idea of E.C.T. is to make someone forget. Trying to force the person to forget the reasons why they feel depressed does not work. Force does not work 1)because the destruction of memory in the mind from the electricity is random. The person could lose good memories as well as the bad ones and 2) the only way to fix a problem is to know what the problem is. Even if the memory erasure is successful the persons (unchanged) environment and situation will make them depressed once again.
E.C.T. is not low intesity. The human body works with tiny amounts of electricity that can be measured in an EEG, an electroencephalogram. Dr Hans Berger recorded the first human EEG in 1924. The brains electricity has to be amplified 1,000 to 100,000 times to get a measurement.
E.C.T. does produce pain, that is why the patient is unconscious. Ask yourself “Why do we feel pain?”. We feel pain because some damage is occuring in our body and our body is trying to warn us to the problem. To be unconscious while the pain is occuring is cheating . Only real life and death physical desease such as an infected apendix warrent the need for surgery, which means anesthesia. Electricity passing through the brain is an invisible knife.
But I am not a Doctor, so my opinion means nothing.
A hundred thousand people protesting ECT will not change the “science” of the claimed benefits of E.C.T.
You are a general without an army. If your army was to exist, they would have to be fed and housed by someone. This cost money.
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Vegwellian wrote “must be prevented from hurting anyone”.
The disease they have is “anger” according to you.
Medication is for genuine disease, legal drugs are to change someone from being angry to being calm.
If you look at any violent crime the source is anger.
Only a psychiatrist can judge when a person anger has made them too irrational to keep their freedom.
Then do you drug them for the rest of their life for their anger?
You should read up on “Free will”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will
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Regarding my monopoly comment.
“Without the use or threat of force, fascism could not exist. Machiavelli, Mussolini, Hitler knew this. All dictators, would-be dictators, and bullies know this basic fact. And this is the case with psychiatry. Without the use and threat of force, institutional psychiatry would die. Lots of psychiatrists would be out of a job. I wish that would happen! Psychiatry gets its authority and power to force, imprison, involuntarily commit, and treat individuals against their will from the state.” http://www.antipsychiatry.org/weitz2.htm
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“I think families of ‘diagnosed’ people would be interested”
I disagree.
I think families want their loved one to obey orders and fit in.
The “long term solutions outside of psychiatry” do not exist because the world runs on money, people (adults) have to earn money from the work they perform.
“More activism” does not produce any money for the activist.
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“His psychosis worsened ”
This “psychosis” you write of does not exist. There is no blood test, no MRI brain scan for it.
Was he at the age of 18?
http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/moosemount.asp
http://www.mhhe.com/socscience/sex/common/ibank/ibank/0088.jpg
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Who wants to listen?
For the sake of argument, I’ll say average Joe/Jill listens to the crazy people, what then?
What does Joe/Jill do?
What power does Joe/Jill have?
Psychiatry has a monopoly on Mental Illness.
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There’s a sucker born every minute.
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“…majorly tranquilize them …”
Then the psychiatrist doesn’t understand why the patient can’t get out of bed, or do any work.
Not getting out of bed, and/or not doing any work will make someone depressed. More drugs for the depression…
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“If not meds(drugs) then what?”
How about telling the person specifically what the problem is.
If the ” patient” does not know what the problem is, they can not possible change it.
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The Long-Term Use of a psychiatric diagnosis is the problem. Descriptive words written on a piece of paper. A broken leg does not stay broken forever. A broken (analog) watch is correct twice a day, once in the AM and once in the PM. A prejudice that is not explained to the subject.
Psychiatrist ” I think you need help”.
Patient ” I think this is a jail, a jail before I committed any crime.”
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DRUGS “to be disabled by them” that is just the physical effects. The diagnosis that gets someone to be prescribed the drugs is more powerful in my opinion, as the psychiatric diagnosis poisons the relationship between the person-patient and their family and friends. Who are you without your family and friends?
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Criminals or (brain chemical imbalanced) mentally ill? “as a medical examiner, she began to see a troubling trend. Patients with mental illness who had been evaluated in EDs and then released were going on to harm themselves and/or others.” http://www.epmonthly.com/www.epmonthly.com/features/current-features/how-one-ep-transformed-mental-health-admissions-in-virginia/
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“Stop Calling These Drugs Antidepressants”
and then I hope we can stop calling them anti-psychotics.
Your (bad) emotions like sadness(depression) and anger(psychosis) are a disease.
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Take the holy molecules of science http://hethathasanear.com/images/Communion4.jpg
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That is because most of the public is consuming the psychiatric drugs. The worship of the holy molecules of science.
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It IS a brain chemical imbalance, but the doctors caused it.
They don’t call the drugs, drugs, they call them medicine.
Doctors won’t take responsibility for the bad outcomes, they only take responsibility for the good outcomes. The con is perfect.
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Ted, I am sure you have heard of the suicide-death of the comedian Robin Williams.
On TV after his death, I saw doctors speaking of a brain chemical imbalance.
You know there is no brain chemical imbalance until the “patient” takes the legal psychiatry drugs. The doctors do not, and will not admit THEY created the imbalance.
If you do a search for “brain chemical imbalance” and Williams you find
https://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/blogs/icymi/robin-williams-death–depression-is-a-real-illness-and-it-s-killing-people-115213458.html
On Yahoo they write it was a brain chemical imbalance fault “Depression,…(is) a chemical imbalance in the brain…”
With that kind of propaganda, everyone who is “normal” believes in, I think there is little hope.
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Can’t you understand the psychiatrist is helping people by poisoning/killing them?
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And do not forget what the rich (legislators) have their money invested in, the have their money in the Pharma companies. Legal drug selling is very profitable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_companies#Industry_revenues
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“once people get away from abusers, mobbers and bullies,” the source of the “mental illness”
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Donna wrote “they would run like hell ” really? How do they cash (or how do they get) their welfare cheque if they are on the run?
Do you like eating?
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Donna wrote “force these poisons on them in the guise of medicine:”
You forget “Fear” as in Don Weitz three “F”‘s fear force fraud.
My friend willingly takes the drugs, as he is afraid of becoming over-emotional(mentally ill) once again.
He also depends on the diagnosis of mental illness (pride) to explain the mistakes he has made, he likes to think of himself as smart, he blames his mistakes on unbalanced brain chemicals.
I expect if someone scanned his brain, it would show brain shrinkage (from the voluntary consumption).
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/weitz2.htm
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you asked for it B http://www.schizophreniainquiry.org/news/black-and-mad
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To reform or critique, you need a doctorate to be listened to/taken seriously.
I dislike being indoors after being hospitalized-jailed and drugged for long periods of time by psychiatry for having a diseased mind.
As I can not stay indoors without great discomfort, schooling is held indoors, I can not get the education to get a doctorate.
The system is perfect, if it wasn’t it would not exist.
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“Your goal may be the abolition of psychiatry and mine is to reform and critique.”
The abolition of a religion is impossible.
People want and need to believe in a magic medicine (NOT A DRUG) that will cure them or their upset loved one.
“In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but
one into sickness.” Szasz
http://books.google.ca/books?id=2pduB22E43oC&lpg=PA3&ots=EOrYR8Vg1K&dq=In%20our%20fervor%20to%20medicalize%20morals%2C%20we%20have%20transformed%20every%20sin%20but%20one%20into%20sickness.&pg=PA3#v=onepage&q=In%20our%20fervor%20to%20medicalize%20morals%2C%20we%20have%20transformed%20every%20sin%20but%20one%20into%20sickness.&f=false
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Thanks for the song/video!
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Authority will put a person in jail if they really believe in the “Shamanism”.
http://www.freebibleimages.org/storydata/illustrations/FB_Paul_Silas_Prison/overview_images/005-paul-silas-prison.jpg?1378906899
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E. Silly doesn’t agree with “Children deserve to be coerced”
Do children do want to go to school to learn? or eat all their vegetables? Learn that they are no longer the center of the universe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFArYx3Ay84
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Ron wrote “when people decide they want the antipsychotic drug.”
Like when the crack addict decides he wants more crack?
You forget who gave-forced the “patient” to take the drug in the first place. (and where)
People suddenly start hearing voices one day? (and seek neuroleptics) I don’t think so.
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Best Con going.
Heads I win, tails you lose.
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With no science to measure good thoughts to bad thoughts from being
chemically altered it is a win-win position for psychiatry.
If the patient does well after given-forced medicines, psychiatry helped.
If the patient does poorly after given-forced medication, psychiatry
says we told you he/she was ill. We are trying to help.
That the medication might have made people worse is not, and can not be considered.
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Going to the crack dealer for a different form of crack, yeah that’s gonna work.
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If you don’t use an arm or leg for a long time , say it is in a cast, the muscles in it shrink from not being used.
When you take the cast off, you could say the leg/arm is broken forever, but with the discipline of daily exercise, the muscle in the arm/leg can grow back to near normal.
But it takes work.
What ever you chose to think of will stay in your mind. If you believe you are ill, you will look for signs you ARE ill. If you believe you are improving, you will look for signs of improvement.
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The people in the psychiatric system that I know believe 100% that they are ill and need medication.
This belief was learned from past experiences of withdrawing from the psychiatric meds-drugs, with bad outcomes . They took the withdrawal reaction as proof the psychiatric “doctor” was right, they are defective, when it is really is
(Robert Whitaker)
7. Drug-induced supersensitivity psychosis
In the late 1970s, Canadian investigators identified the biological changes caused by antipsychotics that lead to the high relapse rates. Because the drugs dampen dopamine activity, the brain tries to compensate by becoming “supersensitive” to dopamine. In particular, the drugs trigger an increase in the density of dopamine receptors. This perturbation in dopamine function, over the long term, makes the patients more biologically prone to psychosis and to worse relapses upon drug withdrawal. The researchers concluded: “Neuroleptics can produce a dopamine supersensitivity that leads to both dyskinetic and psychotic symptoms. An implication is that the tendency toward psychotic relapse in a patient who has developed such a supersensitivity is determined by more than just the normal course of the illness.”
a) Dopaminergic Supersensitivity After Neuroleptics. Muller, P. Psychopharmacology 60 (1978):1-11.
b) Neuroleptic-Induced Supersensitivity Psychosis. Chouinard, G. American Journal of Psychiatry, 135 (1978):1409-1410.
c) Neuroleptic-Induced Supersensitivity Psychosis. Chouinard, G. American Journal of Psychiatry, 137 (1980):16-20.
As time passes , more of their brain is lost from the poisons they willingly take. Less intelligence, less ability to reason.
Only real doctors can stop this crime. but a form of a Code of Silence occurs with doctors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Code_of_Silence
The only hope is the money being spent by the government has to be accounted for . The tax payer that pays for this fraud (drugs for life) will get fed up one day. I hope.
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You left out MONEY. Who is paying for the psychiatric service?
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The average person believes the psychiatric medication, is medication, so people agree with helping the “ill”.
Until the general population has first hand experience with the medication (seeing is believing), and knows it is not medication, the laws for forced treatment will be passed.
” the people who were put in the camps then were Communists”
“Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables.”
” If we had said back then, it is not right when Hermann Göring simply puts 100,000 Communists in the concentration camps, in order to let them die”
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/niem.htm#discsources
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Hard to leave psychiatry? Try impossible to leave, because the law sees psychiatry as legitimate science.
Only a religion can excuse themselves of a crime, a cult could not have got away with mass murder.
Watson: Do you think they felt they were murdering people?
Dr Benno Muller Hill: There it’s most interesting that two other chiefs here, medical doctors and psychiatrists who were running this place here, kind of got away with it in 1962 by saying that they couldn’t see anything wrong with killing those incurably insane, and they had learned this in the medical courses at the universities and so they couldn’t see anything wrong, so in fact they got free. And so this went then up from court to court, and in 1972 the German Supreme Court decided that indeed, since they didn’t see anything wrong there was nothing wrong with it, and they could be free.
“They got away with it”
http://www.dnai.org/e/
To hear the quote
1)Choose “In the third Riech” (bottom, near right)
2)Choose “Epilogue” (top , right)
3)Then advance one page. (near bottom, near left, “>” sign)
4)Choose “They couldn’t see anything wrong” (left collum)
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Thank you David Healy for putting a link to your lecture. I hope link stays online. I like the lecture because it tells of the history, of the first use of the poisons psychiatry calls medicines.
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I wrote go to see the “eye doctor” , not the psychiatrist. The psychiatrist is there to make you follow the rules, follow orders, that is all. A pseudo parent for the adult who is behaving as a child.
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“how this could be applied to Scientology”
As I understand it, to follow Scientology is a voluntary action.
The same should be true for the religion of Psychiatry. Their followers have to be voluntary.
“No behaviour or misbehaviour is a disease, that is not what diseases are!” Szasz
That being said, you can’t kill a religion, but you can limit its power.
The psychiatrist declares that their patient need medication, and the Government has to pay for this medication.
Imagine a slave owner demanding the Government pay for the chains that bind the slave. The slave owner should pay for the drugs out of his own pocket.
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“a lifetime of harmful and disabling drugs”, with no proof the “patient” doesn’t have disease , the patient can not escape.
( a double negative, but writing “with proof a “patient” is healthy, the patient can escape psychiatry” doesn’t work) ,
The idea of mental illness (everyone believes in) is a cash cow for both the (fake) doctor and drug supplier. Making something out of nothing. Just don’t you be that “nothing” to start off with.
On the news here (Montreal) a criminal is going to receive “medication” for his illness, like he did not chose his behaviour/actions, and magical medication exist, and can make him think “good” thoughts instead of “bad” thoughts.
“why anyone would want to induce sleep deprivation to test more drugs!” to sell more drugs to people and to the Government who is forced to buy the drugs for the psychiatric patients.
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“(Psychiatry) is that false God many religions warn of.”
Did evil and good exist before mankind was on the planet/world?
One persons “evil” is another persons “good”.
People are just making money. When the vampires suck too much blood from the host, it will end.
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Lanza and all the other shooters were angry and chose to do evil. The wrong method of expressing the anger they felt. Lanza was taught to shoot, so guess what he did?
Anyone might be possessed by the feeling of anger. Normal rational people (who enjoy the present, and want a future) would calm themselves somehow.
And as to choice, if Lanza was on drugs/withdrawing from drugs, how much choice does a crack-head have , when he/she needs the crack-cocaine?
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Thank you Francesca Allan for the link to the paper on eye problems. People can print the article out before going to see their eye doctor.
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Poisons are necessary to psychiatry. In prison/hospital they have to use poisons to subdue the “patient” who is not following doctors orders. In the past they used straightjackets, now they use drugs. http://life.time.com/culture/strangers-to-reason-photos-inside-a-psychiatric-hospital-1938/#1
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I think Dr. Moncrieff is one of the few sane psychiatrists . The problem with current psychiatry is the medication/drugs are used continually when the meds/drugs have to be stopped.
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I disagree with “Once people get better (through ‘psychology’) they remain well because the problems get sorted out. ”
My father and mother are the root of my “mental illness”, I am sure other people with “mental illness” have parents that literally make them crazy.
The King and Queen do not want to lose their power, and successfully use psychiatry to keep their children as children.
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Regarding people seeking drugs/meds for a cure/treatment.
“For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.” .” wrote Thomas More.
Regarding “I have even heard numerous reports from clients that they were pressured by psychiatrists into taking pills.”
The trick with the drugs, is that if a patient is genuinely ill, they must be taking medicine for the illness. If the patient is NOT taking any medicine, they can’t be that sick , can they?
With no physical evidence of disease, the patient can not receive disability (welfare) payments.
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“BTW would you organize prison guards? The police? ” This is a crucial point. Psychiatry plays a critical role in society like the police and prison guards. Psychiatry gets its power from the government. The only thing that can fight a doctor is another doctor, usually doctors use science but the science has been corrupted.
In the game of chess it would be a Bishop fighting another Bishop.
Mental illness exists and society needs psychiatrists to control or help the (figuratively) ill person.
Mental illness is when someones emotions are too large. Larger than the power of someones rational mind to order/control oneself. Mental illness is the inability to choose.
Two examples:
If one is feeling too much despair, one does not have the ability to choose what to do to escape. Every possible response to the present conditions seems meaningless. Hopeless from lack of joy-enjoyment.
If one is feeling too much confidence, one does not have the ability to perceive being wrong or incorrect about the situation one is in. Every possible response is the correct one.
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“I don’t disagree” a double negative.
“I don’t disagree with the “throw it away and start over” approach but guess how that happens?”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revolutions_and_rebellions
Usually it happens with bloodshed, but being angry is called “psychotic” by psychiatry and the angry are drugged calm/stupid.
“…freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.” ― Martin Luther King, Jr.
You must take your drugs/medications, if you don’t (take medicine) who would the psychiatrist be?
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Thomas Szasz said the same thing about the drugs or “medications”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Gr4OIkums
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Audio interview as well, about 30 minutes long.
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The CBC wrote a story on Robert Whitakers “Anatomy of an Epidemic” Jun 08, 2014 http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/antidepressant-drugs-may-not-be-best-treatment-robert-whitaker-1.2667410
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If the monkey can’t see it (as a danger) , it doesn’t exist.
Asbestos, The first diagnosis of asbestosis was made in the UK in 1924
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos#Discovery_of_toxicity
Lead poisoning from gasoline, stopped 1993-1995
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead
Radium, a half-life of 1600 years, painted on watches and clocks.
June 02, 2014 “Dumped radioactive pollution concealed for 18 months”
http://rt.com/news/162980-secret-radioactive-dump-switzerland/
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The audio in the youtube is normal on my computer.
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How do we NOT support the Delusional , you mean?
A prison that is not a prison because “we” call it a hospital.
A poison/drug that is not a poison/drug because “we” call it medicine.
A lobotomy that is not a lobotomy because “we” call it treatment.
A religion that is not a religion because “we” call it science.
It is all about following orders.
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Saying “I want to die” will get you locked up (hospitalized) if you say it to someone in authority. I guess you have not been locked up in order to be “helped”?
If you can’t be around people without “freaking out”, don’t put yourself in that situation.
If you exercise strenuously during the day, you will (have to) sleep at night. The sleep will not be great, but it will be sleep.
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More on Japan “Most of the involuntary sterilizations were performed on inmates of psychiatric hospitals and institutions for intellectually disabled people.” http://www.lit.osaka-cu.ac.jp/user/tsuchiya/gyoseki/paper/JPN_Eugenics.html
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Japan covers up their mental illness. Suicide in Japan is at 26 deaths per hundred thousand (2009) versus 7 deaths per hundred thousand in Netherlands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan.
The prevalence chart is inaccurate.
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From the article “as doctors tried in vain to find a combination of drugs that worked.” The doctors feel compelled to give drugs, when they should do nothing . If a person is acting insane it is reasonable to control/limit their actions in a hospital-jail, but to apply drugs for a chemical balance that does not exist is wrong. The drugs make a confused person even more confused (in the long run) as Robert Whitaker has written and real psychiatrists know. http://robertwhitaker.org/robertwhitaker.org/Antipsychotic%20drugs%20and%20chronic%20illness.html
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Torrey cannot understand that he is sick. That giving lobotomies to people, is not, in fact helping them.
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Who has the Gold (yellow metal) ? Is all what its about. You got no Gold and no ability to get/earn gold? then you are a slave for life. Even if you have the ability to get/earn Gold, you have to have a hope for the future. With no hope…
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Follow orders or you are dead http://www.independent.ie/videos/world-news/graphic-content-helmetcam-shows-albuquerque-police-shooting-homeless-man-dead-30144640.html
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Grown up child not following orders http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/abbotsford-police-shoot-mentally-ill-man-with-rubber-bullets-1.2619748
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You got to follow orders of those with the yellow metal (Gold). Short term the drugs work to maintain order ( for the master), in the long term the drugs damage the brain , intelligence.
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Who asked for the drugs in the first place? Was there consumer demand, or was it pushed by the drug companies? You can’t sell people what they don’t want.
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weird typo of “free” , should be “feel”.
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Regarding 1 in 4. Yes it is true. If you don’t have love , you free depressed. Humans used to use the drug alcohol, today doctors prescribe this new solution of antidepressant/antipsychotic to combat the urge of Mother Nature.
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From the video , 40 000 statistically probable manic persons from 4%. Horrific events will induce anger, fear and sadness in the public, so more drugs will be issued. The worship of the tiny molecule God came from the discovery of penicillin and the creation of the birth control pill. April 1967 http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19670407,00.html
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On the list of Doctors taking money from Pharma Co. do not forget Dr Goodwin who earned at least $1.3 million from 2000 to 2007. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/22/health/22radio.html
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Old news to me. 2011 “Montrealers are feeding fish Prozac; Research shows influence on brain activity while long-term consequences are unclear” http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110121103748.htm
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Who is picking these stories? This is junk science. They did not inject microRNA from UN-traumatized male mice.
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The psychiatric drugs are to control people, not to medically help them.
It is obvious from the start. There is no psychotic molecule, virus or bacteria.
The drugs help in that they help the patient obey orders. That is all.
[ If a patient is poor he is committed to a public hospital as a “psychotic.” If he can afford a sanitarium, the diagnosis is “neurasthenia.” If he is wealthy enough to be in his own home under the constant watch of nurses and physicians, he is simply “an indisposed eccentric.”] Pierre Janet (1859-1947)
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A sane individual does not get or feel angry at receiving medical treatment, so they (you) must be psychotic. With the diagnosis of psychosis you (anyone angry) will be helped to be calm and rational. Guess what kind of help?
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Number 14 The person who has fucked the patient up the most isn’t necessarily the most obvious person.
When the family believes in the diagnosis of “mental illness” , the family gets a scapegoat/lightning-rod to blame all the troubles on. And they don’t want to lose the scapegoat. He/she is the crazy one, not me, the doctor said so.
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You are psychotic because I say you are!
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Fiachra , it is a good thing you found healing.
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a recent post http://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
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Okay , you go to the thief that robbed you to get un-stolen, you go to the thug to get un-beaten, you go to the drug dealer to get un-drugged. RIGHTtttt.
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Which came first the chicken or the egg? Who is paying for all this sh@t?
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Robert Whitaker I think you have a typo of two ” f )” categories.
If psychiatrists are in fact doctors, the news ( of long term outcomes) should be widely distributed.
Hand washing before childbirth took years to be accepted, and ulcer-causing helicobacter pylori took twenty years to be accepted.
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Great article! There are reasons for the way people are feeling/thinking, not “brain chemical imbalances”.
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Szasz said it all with “excusing the guilty and punishing the innocent”.
http://www.mindfreedom.org/mfi-faq/action-alert-to-free-alison-hymes
Psychiatry is Precrime, just like in the movie “Minority Report”
From the World Psychiatric Journal linked article it says “238 (Community Treatment Orders) to prevent one arrest.”
An example of creating the future from the movie “The Matrix”
Oracle : I’d ask you to sit down…but you’re not going to anyway. And don’t worry about the vase.
Neo : What vase? *crash*, Neo knocks the vase over while looking.
Oracle : That vase.
Neo : I’m sorry.
Oracle : I _said_ don’t worry about it. I’ll get one of my kids to fix it.
Neo : How…how did you know?
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[A PSYCHIATRIC report on Anders Behring Breivik found that the confessed gunman is insane…
“In such instances that the person suffers from such a serious disorder that it would not be warranted to sentence him to prison … he can be ordered to stay in mental health care institutions,” prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh was quoted as saying]
http://www.news.com.au/world/norwegian-gunman-breivik-judged-insane-report-says/story-e6frfkyi-1226209641372
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Remember Dr. Conrad Murray? He did not understand the crime he was charged with, but the court case still took place.
“I don’t feel guilty because I did not do anything wrong,” Dr. Conrad Murray.
“Not only isn’t there any remorse, there’s umbrage and outrage on the part of Dr. Murray against the decedent, without any, any indication of the slightest involvement in this case.” Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/29/justice/california-conrad-murray-sentencing/
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The “Why?” of a crime comes before the facts .
The defendant has to understand the crime he/she is charged with before the trial, the “Why?”.
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The books, as in writing on paper , as in pen … the pen is mightier than the sword. Only accredited doctors (who write) can stop this life long drugging.
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A similar story was on ABC news last night.
Veterans addicted to painkillers
“…he lost everything – his family, his job, his home – when he became addicted to opiates prescribed by the VA.”
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/02/abc-news-launches-veterans-series-coming-home-americas-promise/
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“Many people are wrongly diagnosed when they start manifesting adverse reactions or acute responses to withdrawal from drugs. ”
Withdrawal from drugs will cause pain ( if it is possible to reduce/abstain). Doctors are not supposed to induce pain in their patient, but the only way for the patient to get “better” is to reduce the amount of (unnecessary) drugs the patient is consuming.
“Tobacco Chiefs Say Cigarettes Aren’t Addictive” http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/15/us/tobacco-chiefs-say-cigarettes-aren-t-addictive.html
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If he had a short temper from the stomach problems/pain, (as any human or animal would) the anger would likely be viewed as “psychotic” and MORE psychiatric “medicine” given to him to help stop the psychosis.
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I was just looking at Jan Janksy (1873-1921) http://czechrepublic.yolasite.com/blood-types-and-jan-jansky.php
He was looking for physical causes to mental illness in the blood and found the four main blood types (no mental illness).
Maybe by 2021, the anniversary of Janksy’s death, psychiatrists will find their ethics ( do no harm) and drugs will stop being prescribed to children.
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“There has been a tendency to ascribe negative outcomes to the “underlying” condition and good outcomes to the drugs.” Heads I win, tails you lose.
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Clozapine-induced constipation may be fatal
Constipation is often regarded as a frequent, minor side effect of clozapine.
http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/puarticles/clozgi.htm
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If there is a police shooting, a fellow officer does not investigate the incident, an outside impartial “Internal Investigations Division” person is supposed to look at the evidence.
That this coroner will not note heart disease and fecal compaction as important , keeps the pharmaceutical companies ( lifetime of meds for mental illness) in business. One tree here, one tree here and science never sees the forest going down.
Mentally ill die 25 years earlier, on average http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-05-03-mental-illness_N.htm
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Not an expert. As to “Why?” The article itself says “he was taking drugs”. If you or anyone has their freedom to make choices , they have the freedom to use (mind altering) drugs and to potentially kill someone.
As he (the killer) is now in custody-jail , he has to say he was not himself when the crime occurred. With all the evidence he can’t say someone else did it. How else does he live with himself? Psychiatrists who give him tranquilizers say the “medicine” is working and get credit for helping a” sick ” man.
He had/has too much anger, but anger is not a disease. Without anger you and I would be a pushover to whoever wanted our money or possessions, so we must have some anger to live in this world.
The correct amount of anger can not be regulated (successfully) by external forces like “medicine”(tranquilizers). Successfully dealing with anger comes from the inside of a person.
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The first use of cocaine was native people using the leaves to continue on in a difficult hunt for food. Like you can not drink pure alcohol, you can not safely consume concentrated cocaine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine#Coca_leaf
My opening sentence “If you want drugs” was in reference to psychiatric drugs.
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A real world example for you. “At night-time, I was forced to take Risperidone, a mind-altering medication administered to treat schizophrenia. The following day I felt lethargic because of the medication. It looked as if most of the patients in the ward were up to their eyeballs on it, as they moped around, gazing woodenly, the majority seeming unable to engage in articulate coherent conversation. As it seemed there was no one to have a conversation with, I had a look around for things to do – there was no garden, only a small grimy area outside for the smokers that was fenced off from the hospital grounds with prison bars. ”
“he ( the doctor) said he was increasing my dose of Risperidone to find a “therapeutic dosage.” http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/incarcerated-in-a-psychiatric-ward-because-i-said-911-was-an-inside-job/
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Theinarticulatepoet wrote CBT is brainwashing.
If both people (patient+doctor) want the same thing, then CBT isn’t brainwashing.
If patients are locked in the room and forced to do CBT then it is brainwashing, because the “patient” doesn’t have the option to leave (to say no).
Given the choices of either (1)taking poison or (2) talking, during an unjust imprisonment, a reasonable person would chose talking.
I wonder what Theinarticulatepoet would do with the “mentally ill”? If he/she was responsible for them.
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Regarding “delusions are not true and therefore people must be forced to give them up”
That is a lie. Delusion , like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
Did you see the Bill Nye VS Ken Ham , science VS 5000 year old creation debate?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/bill-nye-debates-creation-museum-s-ken-ham-on-evolution-earth-s-origin-1.2523756
Prison(hospital) that isn’t a prison. Poison(psych drugs) that isn’t a poison.
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The psychiatric drugs are used to control people who don’t fit in or submit to authority. Only schizophrenics that don’t scare people might get this alternative.
The drugs are not for the schizophrenic patient, they are for those people around the schizophrenic who need to feel safe from the one who “hears voices”.
We sane people don’t hear voices (voice of consciousness) only crazy people do.
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A comic explains the psychiatric diagnosis. “You have a fat ass” is an insult so they fancy it up so the insulted doesn’t feel or perceive the insult. http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1679#comic
The doctor lacks he courage to confront the patient about the problem. the patient doesn’t know (is not told) what the problem is. The doctor expects magical insight to occur to the patient, when lack of knowledge is part of the reason the “bad” behaviour is occurring. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger effect
Throw in some mind altering drugs and you have a mental patient for life, because the patient can not judge and learn from cause and effect when their brain (feeling-thinking) is forcefully manipulated with psychiatric drugs.
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Regarding “mental health professionals are diagnosing it in about 5%”. The percentage of children diagnosed ADHD depends on which country you live in.
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If you want drugs you can get drugs, the problem is forcing drugs on people who do not want them. You call the drugs medicine to legitimize their use.
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Regarding “a naked child chained to a tree”, before they psychiatric-ally drug him instead of the chains ( pills = a kinder owner?) they might want to do physical tests like blood tests and a brain scan to see if he is physically ill, then test his sight , hearing and speech to see if communication is possible. Before assuming he is crazy because everyone says he is crazy.
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In order to be held accountable , psychiatrists have to answer to someone, which they don’t.
After WW2 after killing thousands of people many “doctors” got away with the killing because they answer to no one.
The good doctors need to identify and punish the bad doctors.
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3)Then advance one page. (near bottom, near left, “>” sign)
4)Choose “They couldn’t see anything wrong” (left column)
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Are the judges or politicians invested financially in Pharma Co.? You bet they are because it is the most profitable business. http://www.api.org/policy-and-issues/policy-items/american-energy/~/media/Policy-Images/American-Energy/ECharts_Quarterly-Earnings-By-Industry_HiRes.jpg
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Read the fine print “a schizophrenic man… came to an emergency room 17 times in nine days. Now that he has the medication he needs,…”
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Like I wrote” Who is the king of the castle”, if you don’t obey the king/queen you get into trouble.
To be a “king” you must have your own money, as in an income, incoming money.
If you have no income, you can not be a king, or a ruler in your own life.
As a psychiatric patient you no longer have self ownership, a psychiatrist owns you.
They wonder why the “mentally ill” drink and smoke themselves to death.
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Regarding the Senator vs son story. I ask “Who is/was the king of the castle?” The son should have left “home”, he did not need psychiatric drugs or psychiatric (pre-crime) imprisonment.
As I understand it, the proposal is to keep suspected “mentally ill” persons for a longer time period in the hospital-that-is-not-a-jail.
Could you get angry? You are not allowed to get angry for receiving help, helping medical intervention.
This extended hold time will guarantee an angry outburst ( at losing ones freedom), the anger expressed at the injustice will either put the person in jail, or labeled “psychotic” and forcefully medicated/drugged.
The system is perfect.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/patient-assaults-emergency-room-staff-petaluma-hos/nZfhy/
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The (general) public have to work at crappy jobs to keep a roof over their head, they do not have the time or energy to revolt.
Only genuine doctors can fix psychiatry with genuine science.
Feb 2012 National Geographic [“We can’t tell a schizophrenic brain from an autistic brain from a normal brain,” says Christof Koch]http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2014/02/brain/zimmer-text
There is no physical disease in mental illness until drugs are issued.
The public can only see one or two trees (anecdotal evidence), the forest can be seen by science.
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Regarding medications. They are not on medications, they are on drugs. Drugs are a force from the outside, when psychotherapy is a force from the inside. Totally crazy in my opinion to mix them together.
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The Vampire can not be killed with a wooden stake in my opinion.
This particular Vampire can only be killed with sunlight, as in exposure.
Everyone (including the Government) must know the truth of the effectiveness of the drugs (not getting what the Gov is paying for) and the increasing percentage of the population deemed “mentally ill”( Government wants healthy people, not lifetime sickness).
If people believe psychiatrists are doctors, they are doctors.
If the people know psychiatrists are NOT doctors maybe something will happen. Doctors don’t jail their (innocent) patients. Doctors don’t drug their patient against their will. Doctors don’t lie about chemical imbalances. Doctors don’t give excuses for criminals choices of behaviour. Doctors do not damage their patients body or brain unnecessarily (Primum non nocere). A doctor knows a broken leg does not stay a broken leg forever. A psychiatric description/diagnosis must change over time and include the effects of the drugs the doctor issued to the patient (more drugs? more…)
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There was another article describing families reactions after the lobotomies. http://www.thepsychologist.org.uk/archive/archive_home.cfm?volumeID=27&editionID=235&ArticleID=2403
Even after failure or death the family thanks the doctor for inducing brain damage onto the mentally ill person.
The first trick is convincing the family (and the patient) the individual(the patient) is ill.
“People will believe a lie because they want to believe it’s true, or because they’re afraid it might be true.
Given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe its true, or because they’re afraid it might be true. Peoples’ heads are full of knowledge, facts and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.” Terry Goodkind (writer)
The patient is the scapegoat of the families faults and problems. “All scapegoat theories postulate that if only the offending person, race, illness, or what-not could be dominated, subjugated, or eliminated, all manner of problems would be solved.” Szasz.
If you make mistakes you are not perfect ( not a perfect machine) It means you are defective, or mentally ill. Your genes or DNA is defective. A “normal” person rarely admits they are at fault, it is the other person at fault. Unconsciously they fear they themselves are partially crazy, so respond angrily if accused of being crazy, instead of asking for evidence or proof of “crazy”.
Before doctors had drugs to make people crazy (after the accusation of crazy) they exploited their power in making people fear their accusation. A strong fear response to the accusation is confirmation of crazy.
http://cantonasylumforinsaneindians.com/history_blog/the-canton-asylum-for-insane-indians/psychiatry-in-1903
Psychiatry is all a confidence game and Ponzi scheme. The only person that can end it is psychiatry, but psychiatry will never admit they are not doctors. Government will continue to listen to psychiatry (and pay it) because psychiatry has the papers that say they are doctors.
I guess when there are too many “mentally ill” in relation to working people the Ponzi scheme will collapse.
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Schizophrenia doesn’t exist any more than witches existed. There was no test for witchcraft, still no physical test for schizophrenia.
If you do not hear “voices” of conscious then you are a psychopath. You do hear voices for you feel sympathy for ” individuals who are deeply scarred and in need of help”, but you say you don’t hear voices.
“a life lived in fear of invisible things” you have got to be kidding me.
A life lived in anger of invisible things is better? Reminds me of “I don’t want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me.” a ruler in Hell, or a servant in Heaven.
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Medication is for physical disease. There is no physical disease in the children, so you are advocating the use of drugs.
The children have an imaginary disease and authority is applying a physical solution.
Instead of an overt physical beating of the children to accept authority ( like they did in the past), they name mind altering drugs as medications.
“Medication” is a lie. The only real problem is the long term effects of the drugs on the physical body.
No one will take responsibility for the damage though. Everyone will say “I was just following orders”
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“Harding’s study in The American Journal of Psychiatry (Vol. 144, No. 6, p. 718-735) showed that 62 percent to 68 percent of those former back ward patients showed no signs at all of schizophrenia. “They just didn’t have them anymore.” http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb00/schizophrenia.aspx
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Regarding Copy_cat the kids “misdiagnosed”. They are not diagnosed/misdiagnosed for they are not sick. The children are not obeying authority, so in order to drug the children into behaving, a psychiatrist is needed to give the child a fictional illness( so drugs can be issued).
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You wrote “…to start the trial and error process of seeing which medication might work”
There is nothing wrong with the brain to start off with, so you are seeing what DRUGS (not medications) might alter the patients behaviour.
Legal drug pusher.
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Psychiatrist ” I am trying to stop you from killing yourself.”
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Patient ” I am trying to kill myself because you have named and made me diseased. Thanks to you Doctor I am spiritually diseased, physically diseased, occupationally diseased, socially diseased, emotionally diseased, and intellectually diseased.”
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RE:”I’ve been waiting to see if anyone else would post.”Stephen Gilbert.
I think people care, they just don’t know what to write.
The inventors and invention of the lobotomy were given a Nobel prize, and it has not been rescinded. Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine, 1949.
The chemical lobotomy continues on today, as documented by Dr. Nancy C. Andreasen. ” the more drugs you’ve been given, the more brain tissue you lose.” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/health/research/16conv.html?_r=0
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“positive symptoms of schizophrenia”
To separate unwanted behaviour into descriptions of “positive” and “negative” is quackery.
The psychiatrist is selling legal drugs (a physical object) for problems that are not physical in nature.
After the patient is on mind altering drugs, no one can say where the symptoms are originating from, but the patient definitely has symptoms. Symptoms MUST be medicated/drugged, NOT. It only leads to more drugs, like any drug addiction.
Control comes from the inside not the outside, unless you are talking criminal behaviour. Criminals belong in jail.
Some one judging someone else’s emotions as too small or too large is not medicine and reminds me of “Goldilocks and the Three Bears” story.
“I sure am hungry,” Goldilocks said. “I’ll just have one bite.”
First, she tried a spoonful from Papa Bear’s great big bowl. “OW!” she yelled, “TOO HOT!”
Next, she tried a spoonful from Mama Bear’s medium-sized bowl. “Brrrrr! TOO COLD!” she complained.
“I need to sit down for a little while to rest my sore feet!” she thought.
First, she sat in Papa Bear’s great big armchair. “TOO HARD!” she screamed. Goldilocks stomped to the next chair.
Next she sat in Mama Bear’s medium-sized chair. It was so soft that she sunk in! “TOO SOFT!” she complained, as she pulled herself out of the cushions.
She tried Papa Bear’s great big bed. “TOO HIGH!” she yelled.
Then, she tried Mama Bear’s medium-sized bed. “TOO LOW!” she screamed.
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Convicted criminals belong in jail. As far as I can tell Ashley Smith had committed no crime to justify her imprisonment.
It was just ruled that her death was a “Homicide”.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/ashley-smith-s-prison-death-ruled-homicide-by-coroner-s-jury-1.2469527
Punishment must fit the crime.
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The only treatment for soldiers is a psychiatric one, for the followers of science. No one can say the science doesn`t work. Billions of dollars and experts at stake.
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Hopefully the light of reason will stop the mistreatment.
The trouble is that inertia is hard to stop. Most everyone believes the “medicines” can only do “good” things to the patient. If there is trouble the first thing doctors do is increase the dosage, not decrease it. A magical belief in the goodness of the drugs.
The invisible damage from supposed medicine (not drugs) is very hard to prove. If Jane or John Smith is not doing well how do link it to the neuroleptics and not the “mental-illness”?
Robert Whitaker has spoken of the reaction of doctors when confronted with the evidence ( of bad long term outcomes), they don`t want it to be true. The doctors want and need to believe they are helping when they prescribe psychiatric drugs in the long term.
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Who is going to stop the psychiatrists from “helping” the children?
WHEN will someone count the numbers and “discover” more harm than good is occurring?
In food allergy in children it has been discovered…
The doctors write: “There is increasing speculation that a later introduction of peanut has increased the prevalence of peanut allergy.”
Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/health-headlines/babies-can-eat-allergy-sparking-foods-as-early-as-6-months-say-docs-1.1569947
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Here are some of the bodies. The failure of psychiatric medicines (not drugs wink wink nudge nudge) on war vets. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadian-soldier-s-apparent-suicide-would-be-4th-in-days-1.2450095
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In the video a number of 200,000 is mentioned. Where are these bodies? They died from mental illness?
Reminds me of Most Germans Knew about Concentration Camps http://phdast7.hubpages.com/hub/What-Did-Most-Germans-Know-about-Nazi-Concentration-Camps-Part-IV
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“There was no such thing as voluntary slavery.”
If you don’t agree to be a slave, you get to be killed.
If you don’t agree to ECT, you don’t get out of the jail(hospital).
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With voluntary or forced ECT , informed consent can not be given. All ECT is forced. http://www.wildestcolts.com/psych_opp/d-electroshock/3-shock_ny2.html
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A screen capture of a “normal” people comment. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qN-RFNd6GZI/UpDdcr0TaEI/AAAAAAAAEU4/F6rDYEs1OKI/s1600/hate-mi.png
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The “normal” people demand the “mentally ill” be drugged immobile.
Psychiatric/psychotropic drugs are not going to go away.
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Fantastic article!
10 out of 10 !
“government socialize us towards apathy and compliance”
Further behind this need for apathy (from the government), is the need for continual growth of the economy at the cost of the environment. Environmental destruction at no cost to industry , because industry employs people. Industry lobbies government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax
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You prefer “a lack of insight into their condition”?
There are tall and short people, fat and thin, stupid and intelligent.
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It is a snake eating its tail, ouroboros , collecting taxes, then giving some of the taxes to the poor, then the poor paying the money back to the rich for rent and for food.
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Like in the movie “Minority Report” face recognition cameras will eventually be commonplace and anonymity impossible. Everybody runs. Then they get drugged for life.
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“Let’s leave it off.” Lucky you. If they were racist or anti-Semitic or whatever they would have put the psychiatric description on.
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“folks internalized their oppression really well!”
No they follow orders. They are told they are mentally ill and accept it. They then self lobotomize themselves on the “doctors orders” taking their medication-poison, and get progressively stupider and easy to manipulate by authority. 25 year shorter life on average.
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Q “Why would anyone voluntary get an ID card identifiying them as a mental patient.”
How do you as a mental patient pay the rent and pay for food? You have to voluntarily carry the card or you don’t get Government money for your incurable illness.
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Sheep to be sheared on every first day of the month when they have to pay the rent. Complain and you get to be homeless.
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You asked “What are people waiting for?”.
Psychiatry is organized and claims to be science (fixes unbalanced brain chemicals FALSE).
People are individuals and don’t think psychiatry will come for them, because “I am not mentally ill”.
“First they came for the communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.”
Criminals belong in jail. Drugging people semi-unconscious outside of jail to prevent crime and then calling it medicine does not make it medicine.
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Yes I agree Szasz had no problem with voluntary treatment. Preventing crime and/or acts of anger by injecting people with poison does work to keep the machine going.
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Great comment Frank Blankenship.
I would like to add
Giving or forcing drugs for imaginary diseases is not medicine.
A broken leg heals over time like all physical injury. A doctor would not keep a cast(psychiatric drugs) on the broken leg (is it still broken?) for the rest of the patients life.
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Keep a logbook during withdrawal and re-read it from time to time.
“To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle. One thing that helps toward it is to keep a diary, or, at any rate, to keep some kind of record of one’s opinions about important events. Otherwise, when some particularly absurd belief is exploded by events, one may simply forget that one ever held it.” George Orwell: ‘In Front of Your Nose’ First published: Tribune. — GB, London. — March 22, 1946.
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You are having the wrong emotions!
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Basic emotions in a visual wheel with color.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emotions.gif
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The emotion of sadness needs medicine as well.
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Trying to find imaginary diseases pays well. A diseased mind is a great confidence game.
Claiming people need “medicine” for their bad choices, or for the emotion of anger.
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antipsychotics effects on REM ( rapid eye movement ) sleep and SWS (Slow-wave sleep) are unclear.
Review of Sleep Medicine
Elsevier Health Sciences, Aug 6, 2011
by Drs. Alon Avidan and Teri Barkoukis
http://books.google.ca/books?id=vPJx5OCK66kC&lpg=PA289&ots=m5xwpeXh5t&dq=antipsychotics%20inhibit%20REM%20sleep&pg=PA289#v=onepage&q=antipsychotics%20inhibit%20REM%20sleep&f=false
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What makes E. Fuller Torrey the sane one? He has collected hundreds of human brains . Brains that have been altered by years of drugs before being examined.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Fuller_Torrey#Stanley_Medical_Research_Institute
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I don’t think it is possible to get “normal” control subjects. Like I wrote, the subjects would have to be tested on a daily basis to see if they are actually taking the drug in question, as it is known the drug has terrible effects on people. I would guess the subject would be doing the drug study for money, and if I were such a person I would cheat if I could (to get out of feeling the horrible effects).
Maybe those new subcutaneous-injected-long-acting drugs would work on the paid subjects FOR SCIENCE.
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They would have to do a urinalysis on each person, every day for three years to confirm (scientifically) they are taking the antipsychotic drug.
I don`t really understand the language of the article. The 76 controls did not have schizophrenia? and they took the antipsychotic drug for three years? Did they stop suddenly the drug? If they tapered , how long vs dose was the taper?
They would have to find a group of “normal” people willing to take antipsychotics for three years, and compare these brains to regular “normal” brains taking a placebo for three years.
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I love your sarcastic comments Steve!
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Out of the frying pan and into the fire, upon the (first) diagnosis of “Schizophrenia”. Jail that isn’t a jail, poisons that are not poisons.
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How much insulin does the patient use? When does the patient use it? Will the patient die without the medicine?
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Thanks Duane.
I just watched the 7pm CBS news and there was no mention that the killer was on drugs/medications. They say he was under a delusion he was under a low sound frequency attack. If he did think this I wonder why he did not flee to the country or desert.
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Judges believe the psychiatric drugs are medications, because they are told they are medications by doctors.
Very few people in positions of power have personally taken the psychiatric drugs.
A medicine has a start and finish date, a drug does not have a finish date.
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Yes “we” should stop using psychiatric drugs. Psychiatry is suffering from “Münchausen syndrome by proxy” when it prescribes or forces psychiatric drugs into their patients .
Definition of MSbP or MBP “a caregiver deliberately exaggerates, fabricates, and/or induces physical, psychological, behavioral, and/or mental health problems in those who are in their care.”
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The DSM is used to put metaphorical ropes on people, to drug them and control them. The new inquisition. Do you or your child have untreated mental illness?
[Persecution is as old as man. What distinguishes inquisitions are communications, bureaucracy and single-mindedness. It is the last feature that gives rise to what Mr. Murphy calls “the inquisitorial impulse.”
“Moral certainty ignites every inquisition and then feeds it with oxygen,” he writes. But to keep it going, one must also have an organized bureaucracy that establishes a set of repressive procedures that are formalized in law and enforced by an institutional power.]
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Have you looked into the Doctors eyes? I see hate. Hate of mental illness?, maybe hate of stupidity.
That the psychiatric drugs are contributing to the stupid behavior is not considered. Medicine can only do good things! It’s medicine not drugs!
Doctor enjoys hating? helping his/her patients?
A drug dealer sees a drug addict needing more drugs.
The drug dealer gave them the drugs in the first place.
Circular logic says “Give them more drugs for their drug addiction.”
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“Jay, were responsible for the deaths…” If you mention a fictitious figure of 500,000 mentally ill off their drugs, please mention the ten million, (10,000,000) killed by psychiatric medications.
If you mention death/killing, you also have to put in a time scale. Over a week? Over a month? Over a year?
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-05-03-mental-illness_N.htm
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You have to be a machine to work in the machine.
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“Imagine a society where one day psychiatric diagnosis and identity degradation ceremonies don’t happen any more. Like John Lennon sang – It’s easy if you try.”
The end result of a diagnosis is drugging. The purpose of the psychiatric diagnosis is to give a valid reason to drug the person and deprive them of liberty.
If a person is earning income in a legal manner he/she usually has their freedom for following the rules of society.
The insanity defence has to be removed from the legal system to remove the power of psychiatry.
Before a trial to judge a persons guilt or innocence , the accused must first be judged sane in a PRE-trial. This pre-trial has to be removed from the system.
What are the facts?
Why did they do the (accused) crime? Are they sane? Do what ? There hasn’t been a trial yet to establish a crime has occured.
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They have to call the drugs “medicines”. Where is the psychotic molecule/virus/bacteria for the antipsychotic to combat?
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Divide and conquer: Please do not use divide and conquer tactics on the community against electro convulsive “therapy”.
The only people that can ban E.C.T. are doctors themselves.
People who voluntarily take psychiatric drug are giving themselves a slow self lobotomy in my opinion. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
Question for Andrew L. Yoder : Do you also call for a ban on psychiatric medicine? If not(1) you are not telling the truth or (2) have an reprehensible and cowardly position to allow the prescribing of drugs that shrink the brain.
It is all about following orders. Consume the correct drug to be happy.
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