Monday, February 24, 2020

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  • “and where I live New Mexico psychiatrists are dropping like flies.” Could you expand on this please ?

    Yeah, coz here in Australia I think it might mean something different to what it means in the US. Though New Mexico reminded me of home a lot, not coz of the flies but the scenery. And if psychiatrists are dropping like flies, I’d like to order a couple of cans of the spray your using?

  • To be fair Sam, most of these journalists want to feed their families and pay their mortgages, not be part of a revolution. I mean if doctor is knocking a few inconvenient truths or witnesses that are going to interrupt ‘business’ in the Emergency Dept are they really going to report on it?

    So what if they load patients up with ‘chemical restraints’ and then tip them over the edge with another patients morphine. The Coroner is writing them off as being “death from morphine from an unknown source” and everyone is sweet. I once had a job at a pizza bar delivering pizzas and used to get a few on the cheap, why should doctors be satisfied with a few drug company pens? Porsches aren’t cheap you know lol

    There are so few investigative journalists these days willing to speak truth to power they’ve gone the way of the Dodo bird. Julian Assange can’t even get legal council without being spied on, lawyers in Australia working as police informants and as I can prove are quite prepared to forgo their duty to their clients and assist in the concealment of the use of torture (for a bit of government funding of course).

    So I guess it’s all going according to plan.

    In a time of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act. Don’t know who said it but I wonder did they add, so keep your mouth shut and you can make a living from journalism lol

  • “Once you’ve started abusing the power you’ve arrogated to yourself, it’s hard to stop.”

    Nice article Jack. I was just looking back at some ‘history’ regarding Julian Assange given what has been exposed in the past couple of days. Spying on the confidential communications between lawyer and client? It is of course a way to turn a buck in Australia, but such a fundamental breach really does bring the house of cards (justice) crashing down.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-29/lawyer-x-payout-demand-for-30-million-dollars-royal-commission/11910448

    Maybe i’m being a bit of a chicken little but after having the lawyers I approached to assist with me being subjected to torture stabbing me in the back and assisting the State who tortured me to do a cover up, the world really does look like its gong to Hell in a handbasket. And yes, now I know they are abusing the powers given by a trusting public.

    Anyway, good read.

  • A lie told often enough becomes the truth.

    We can hardly be surprised that there is an attempt to have journalists spread the lies in good faith to the public. And I would hope that some of them might actually see through this propaganda training and become critical of this ‘industry’ that is doing a lot of concealed harm to our communities.

    I watch as the reporting of a tragic set of circumstances unfolds in my country, and note the lack of questioning by journalists as to the ’cause’ of these events. As long as the narrative follows that of the people who benefit from the harm being done surely nothing is going to change, and can only become worse? Is there an issue with asking what psychiatric ‘medications’ may have been involved with such tragedies? The attributions from journalists follows a distinct pattern, do not mention the prescription drugs.

    Always good to know how these articles are being put together using a format. Thanks

  • They did have some activities at the Ariel Castro Memorial Hospital but I think it was more about training the staff into the belief that the patients were hopeless cases. Anyone with ideas like this soon ended up thinking “why bother”. A bit like those captured soon realise there is no way of escaping.

    Food is a great way of getting captive animals to trust you. Bite the hand that feeds you bbq? Given that the Minister and Chief Psychiatrist in my State do not have any issues with the ‘spiking’ of citizens (and certainly not patients) i’d be careful what I ate and drank in these environments.

    The issue with my ‘spiking’ after all was that if I were a “patient” all was fine, but because I was actually a citizen then they needed to make me into a “patient’ lest they be seen for what they are, criminals. Ergo, drugging patients without their knowledge, fine with them.

    My newly self appointed ‘guardian/carer’ was quite prepared to authorise anything they wished to do, under threat of course but all of that is inadmissible they tell me. Imagine that, hospital commits offences against a person and they then appoint someone as their carer so that they can not complain and can then conspire to commit offences against the victim of their crimes.

    I had no idea I even had a carer who was being threatened by the hospital staff to get me to sign documents that would ensure their criminal conduct could not be exposed. “Get him to obtain a referral from a G.P. and then he is a “patient” and we can go to town on him”. Lucky no one is interested in what was done huh, until it’s their families being fuking destroyed I guess.

    I suppose it all spiralled out of control and i’m sort of glad someone did actually notice when they were going to overdose me in the Emergency Dept. Takes a thief to catch a thief I guess. And how effective is their slander in getting people to turn their backs while they do this sh*t. I must say I have great admiration for the Operations Manager who is fuking destroying peoples lives because they make legitimate complaints. I’ve no doubt her actions have resulted in many deaths from suicide, and well I have ex army friends who did three tours in Vietnam who have killed less people. And she’s getting family members to help her while she does this, by threatening them if necessary.

  • Yes, that was what surprised me was that one young woman had been locked in a cage and force drugged because she was visited by a Community Nurse and hadn’t done her dishes. So in order to demonstrate to her why it was important that she did, he ‘verballed’ her up and had police deliver her to the locked ward where she was sexually assaulted by one of the patients.

    Seemed a bit harsh to me but in these days of coronavirus maybe he was right and we need to ensure public safety by enforcing some sort of standard regarding hygiene?

    I saw some pictures of this young woman before they started force drugging her and surely the obesity caused by the drugs is going to make it more difficult for her to do her dishes though. But what an embarrassment to her mum she was, and well this particular Community Nurse does like to do a few favours for the little ladies. I mean he even managed to have a doctor sign a prescription for the spiking of a citizen with benzos without their knowledge. I’m unsure what my wife did for him in return. though feel sure there’s a few rapists in prison would be interested in some favours from this guy.

  • I just dug out the documents to fully identify how they are getting around this use of neuroleptics for torturing people. They call it an “Agitation and Arousal Medication Chart”. So the aim would be for staff to bait the target and then begin injections based on the notion that what is being done is ‘chemically restraining’ patients. Thus it isn’t actually treatment, and therefore not subject to scrutiny and the amounts need not be limited as there is No National Standard. Imagine police being given handcuffs with razor blades on the inside that they can tighten anytime they like? Letter to the Minister for Police with a suggestion.

    As stated above I had one doctor look at the list of chemicals I was to be injected with and state emphatically that it would have made me extremely ill (in the case of Tristan Dimer it nearly killed him). Of course that was the unstated aim of the chemical restraint that isn’t treatment. And with ‘evidence’ that the restraint method is effective???? Just keep on truckin Doc.

    Let me say this, the Community Nurse who verballed me up was fully aware of this method of silencing any issues. Now if a low level like him is aware that all he needs to do is to ask Doc (not even a psychatrist) to do a ‘snow job’ for him, how far through the system does this actually go? I get it that this particular doctor was also a Catholic Priest and may have been using this silencing method over some years. Certainly it was another day at the office for him, having me remove my clothing when I had expressly denied him the right to physically examine me ( a right we both knew I had) but he had his thugs ready to restrain me and then his chemicals to make me sick so, what does one do but provide what he calls ‘implied consent’. She didn’t say ‘no’ so she meant ‘yes’. Well, that is if you ignore my clearly stating “you do not have the right to do this examination, and if you do it will constitute an assault”. The documents that the examination was done, proof that I was assaulted. Fortunate police can’t find their copy of the criminal code so he’s good to go with other assaults on anyone he wishes. Well, maybe 40 years something might be said but for now he is being enabled.

    Shame that the hospitals don’t keep any data on these things really, a bit like the Euthanasia Act means no counting how many people access the legislation. No wonder this industry is attracting sadists at a phenomenal rate.

  • I note this statement from the Special Rapportuer for Torture

    “Forced and non-consensual administration of psychiatric drugs, and in particular of neuroleptics, for the treatment of a mental condition needs to be closely scrutinized. Depending on the circumstances of the case, the suffering inflicted and the effects upon the individual’s health may constitute a form of torture or ill-treatment.”

    Is this why our Chief Psychiatrist writes that the use of neuroleptics as a “chemical restraint” has no National Standard? In that way they are not being used as a form of ‘treatment’ and come under virtually no scrutiny?

    Hey, just don’t call it ‘treatment’ and the statement is invalidated. And now they can inject anyone with any amount and are free from the sins of being a torturer. My “potential for violence with no clear intent or actual history” (thus this is the paranoid delusions of the doctor, not some ‘symptom’ I actually have) is seen as justification for injecting me with a large amount of chemicals which according to another doctor would have made me extremely ill. They spike you with benzos, then write down the effects of that as symptoms and use that to justify injecting you with neuroleptics then write down the effects of that and hey presto your a mental patient.

    Loophole identified and staff informed. Its a chemical restraint not treatment. Much like they’re not killings but unintended negative outcomes.

    I really don’t know how our politicians can stand up and make statements about the legal protections afforded the community with a straight face. Both the Mental Health Act and it’s ‘Sister Act’ the Euthanasia Act have zero protections for the public. They would know they are lying through their teeth and are fully aware that those with a duty to protect the public are being deliberately derelict in their duty.

  • Just on this issue of ‘verballing:

    OATHS, AFFIDAVITS AND STATUTORY DECLARATIONS ACT 2005 – SECT 16
    16 . Non-compliance with form or procedure, effect of
    (1) The validity of an oath, affirmation or statutory declaration is not affected by the fact that the person taking or making it does not use the exact words required as long as the words actually used do not materially affect the substance of the exact words and are not likely to mislead.

    The document used to lock me up was not only likely to mislead, it actually MISLED the Chief Psychiatrist into the false belief this Community Nurse had “reasonable grounds”. That is of course because the Chief Psychiatrist believed that he travelled back through time and space to make “observations” of my “thoughts of harming others”. Of course this “other” (singular) was the nephew attempting to blackmail my wife three weeks earlier but, lets not let facts get in the way of a good kidnapping. Is there a difference between being angry, and being angry because someone is threatening your wife? Is it signficant that he made it an “observation” when he could not possibly have observed it? Is that really a mental illness? Or was this simply a ‘verbal’? Remove the context and the behaviour sounds unreasonable, as this filthy unaccountable ‘verballer’ can explain.

    Hey I was “guarded but concerned about being observed by neighbours” Don’t mention they were my in laws, significant other becomes generalised others, and rational concern becomes irrational paranoia. He’s good…..

    The test applied in court was that the author did not necessarily outright lie, but that they had been “wreckless as to the truth”. How fortunate for this Community Nurse who is filing fraudulent documents that the police can’t find their copy of the criminal code. Because they would not link the suicides that are resulting from his vile conduct.

    If anyone ever wished to do something to save lives, they should be acting on this type of corruption IMMEDIATELY. Not sitting on their hands and doing cover ups while the body count rises to double figures. Of course I know we’re all very busy and I should get some help from the people who tortured and kidnapped me, that way they don’t need to look at their negligence, fraud and slanderous conduct and instead can call me names while destroying my family for complaining.

    The opportunity to do something arises and they turn their backs. Bah, lets go beat Balaams Donkey.

  • “psychiatrists can become transformative people in their communities and in the world, and make things different. But psychiatrists are not that important except when they’re in power; when psychiatrists run things, it becomes problematic.”

    I read this and wonder Doc if your not missing something. Maybe you need to recognise what it means to NOT be a psychiatrist for a day or two. Being the transformative person in the community might mean precisely that, not being what you are (or have become as a result of your ‘training’).

    I like what you say about your time as Clinical Director and think that’s what i’m trying to point to, not doing what psychiatrists do means your no longer a psychiatrist. And if I ever get my human and civil rights back we might even meet in the middle as human beings and find ways of making the world a better place.

    “I know it’s possible, but I’m not sure that it’s likely”. It sounds so much more convincing when it comes from a psychiatrist 🙂

    “People should refuse to put their signature on documents that cause people to be locked up. That would be my hope for the near future.”

    I’d like to see an end to the corrupt practice of ‘verballing’ which has been identified by Commissioner Kennedy as being a poisonous practice that is resulting in serious miscarriages of justice in our courts, and while he did not state it in his report (it was of course outside his scope) is resulting in people being thrown into the mental health system unnecessarily and no doubt resulting in deaths. Bearing false witness should be a crime (particularly on statutory declarations), not being encouraged by the Chief Psychiatrist as “noble corruption”, and allowing arbitrary detentions for the convenience of the lazy and unethical Community Nurse etc.

  • I wonder if he already said it Steve in Beyond Good and Evil, We Scholars?

    Mind you it’s been a long time since I had access to my books, or anything else for that matter. Birth of Tragedy and Geneology of Morals was one of my favorite ‘pick up’ books way back when I had ‘stuff’. But mental health services and police soon fixed that with a ‘verbal’.

    I sometimes ponder what it must be like to go to work and leave waves of chaos behind you, destroying lives and leaving a mess for others to try and resolve, and all the while thinking that your a good person and what your doing might on the surface appear as criminal but in the end it will, in some Machiavellian formula, work out for the best. Doing things that is resulting in the death of people can’t surely be seen as ‘good’? Unless of course they know something we don’t? And then the killings might be justified?

    I mean try as I may I have wondered how this mental health practitioner managed to make observations of my thoughts that occurred three weeks before I even met him. I did study psychology and this is a new development for me, though not for the Chief Psychiatrist who supports this guys claim to thought reading and time travel, in writing. And this then provides justification for incarceration and forced drugging. Luckily they are not relying on any science to justify their position, nor anything that might be called “reasonable”, because they would fail miserably. They are simply snatching anyone that has the misfortune of having a finger pointed at them from their beds and fabricating evidence to support their position. Perhaps a reading of another German authors book The Trial (Franz Kafka) may be in order? How prophetic was that when we look back at the shape of things to come?

  • Wow, we cocacolarised them and now we want to psychiatrise them. The aim with coca cola was to put a can of coke in the hands of every one on the planet. Now they want to put an anti psychotic in their hand that can be washed down with a coke.
    Seems that they may be running out of experimental subjects in the West given their abject failure to demonstrate even the slightest gain in a scientific sense. Moving in on other less fortunate countries for these experimental subjects who can be exposed to the damages of psychiatric research minus any real ethical considerations was an obvious move.

    Perhaps the traditional healers may require forced treatment if they disagree with what doctor wishes to do? I’d be real careful speaking to any mental health practitioner after being ‘verballed’ by one. The truth is anything they want it to be and has no basis in reality.

  • How much role play goes on in the wards? People pretending to be ‘medical’ people, others pretending to be patients who are either getting better or not depending on which direction they wish to take with this system of abuse.

    I think you might enjoy this book by Yukio Mishima, Confessions of a Mask. I read it many years ago now. It must have been 15 BCD (Before my Civil Death).

    Good to know some people get knocked down and get back up within this system, because when I got told I would be fuking destroyed for complaining about being kidnapped and tortured (yes I can prove it) they literally smashed my life to pieces. It did mean that others were harmed but the government has ways of ensuring the public doesn’t see their mistakes. Maybe they’re just knocking you down to toughen you up for the real world, and with me they wanted me dead because of speaking the truth? I don’t really know anymore, and to be honest care even less after 9 years of not seeing my family or being allowed access to even my personal belongings because of a government cover up. And I am now certain my community doesn’t care either, they no longer look at the ‘mask’, just turn to the wall for the Dead Man Walking.

    I thank you all.

    They prefer the narrative of the fraudulent documents sent to the Mental Health Law Centre to the Truth, the one where I was a mental patient and could lawfully be tortured and kidnapped. And consider how flimsy that protection from torture is, simply a matter of legal status that can be changed via fraudulent documents distributed by a Clinical Director (who I might add can afford to smile being paid $300K plus for committing serious offences against the community, though considered to be in their “best interest”). Exposing the ‘mechanism’ of psychiatry to the public of course would mean they may no longer consent to treatment (hey wait, they don’t) and well, that would require extra ordinary powers to ensure they public could be treated.

    Torturing and brain damaging citizens is not a medical procedure, it is human and civil rights abuses. Confronting these delusional doctors with the truth is going to be a dangerous thing to do, the psychotic can react very badly to being confronted directly with the truth. Perhaps this is why the medical fraternity is allowing these people to think they’re doctors, so they can break it to them slowly that they’re not?

  • Chomsky said that left and right were both wings of the same party, the Business Party. I even heard one of our radio announcers going on about how long the election campaign takes in the US (gee imagine democracy at work taking time). Ours lasts about 5 weeks, and he claims we’re sick of it after that. Yes but …… our parties don’t put forward what they intend doing once they achieve power before elections, they ‘spring’ that on us later when it’s too late to say but it’s not what the community wants (but it is what doctors want). The other thing is our system is a farce designed to look like fair and democratic elections, not to actually be one. Making people vote in a two horse race is not what I’d call elections, either way your betting on a horse (and thus can be considered to be a gambler). Still the country is young and we have only just begun to recognise people of color as humans recently.
    No left and right in my State, just a bunch of elites that know that they get power with or without the consent of the people. The Mental Health Act is part of ensuring that this situation continues.

  • If you can’t blind them with science, baffle them with bulls*it.

    By the time you have checked the claim of evidence based, the thief has been through your belongings and is heading to the pawn shop with your jewellry.

    Our politicians here make these types of false claims all the time. 85% of the community wants these Euthanasia laws (but were not going to allow the community to vote on it, or provide you with any evidence to support that claim of 85%. You will have to trust us). More people want the death penalty so I look forward to that legislation being rushed through before an election.

    I’ve also heard ‘verballing’ being called ‘noble corruption’. Tell that to the people who have served 12 years in prison for something they didn’t do, and all because some police officer knew their corrupt conduct would receive support from their superiors and the courts.

    And let me say after receiving a letter from a police superintendent who refuses to accept ‘evidence’/proof of serious criminal offences I do not put much faith in what they claim to be evidence based. Turning people away who have inconvenient truths does not make for sound decisions in our courts, in fact it is possibly the very essence of corruption. However when you have falsehoods to maintain the truth can be very inconvenient.

    And they wonder why they have the reputation they do? We had a police officer sharing a pornographic image of a woman she had photographed (revenge porn) telling the court she would not lie because she was a police officer (evidence based of course). She did not delete the image and was sharing it with other officers because she didn’t want anyone to think she was deleting ‘evidence’. Funny but they can send me away with documents proving I was spiked with benzos becuase their is “insufficient evidence” (like 5 witnesses and documents stating when and where it was done). Frauds and slanderers who are providing material support for criminals via their own criminal negligence.

  • Police here simply call a psychologist and tell them what information they require, and the psychologists will provide that information. What’s the point of having people trust you unless your going to exploit that trust and make some money from it.

    Police tell me that because they didn’t receive a complaint form the psychologist concerned regarding his family being threatened they will take no action. Imagine that, the psychologist who was threatened by police didn’t report that threat to police.

    I will never, under any circumstances trust a psychologist again. It was fortunate that I explained to him before we spoke that I would lie to him to ensure that if he were approached by police for information he would not know what information was true and what was false.

    It was the “who else has got the documents?” question that revealed that police wanted to know who else I had shown the documented proof of the torture and kidnapping to. They thought the documents had been retrieved, and here I was sitting in a psychologists office with the proof. Very poor attempt at a cover up, but the idea of using mental health services as an ‘information retrieval service’ really did leave me “shocked and outraged”.

    The ability to ‘coerce’ people who one would imagine you could share confidential information with was swept away in Australia back in 2010 with the High Court decision in ACC v Stoddart which flushed confidentiality down the toilet with “no spousal privilege in common law in Australia”. If a spouse can be ‘coerced’ to reveal information regarding their partner, then of course the dominoes fall.

    This is important because the case of Nicola Gobbo a lawyer who was acting as a police informant with confidential information from her ‘clients’ was breaking the law at the time. Police have since said “it can’t happen again” but have failed to tell us why. The reason is that they now have the law to allow them to threaten doctors, lawyers and partners to provide them with the information they want, and no avenue for complaint for those who find their confidential information being shared in this manner.

    So as it stands we find ourselves paying lawyers and doctors to act as snitches for police. Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. With this and the ability to use mental institutions to torture and kidnap citizens we should have the place cleaned up in no time. Don’t like the facts, insufficient evidence, and here’s what we want to be the truth. Not that any of this fabrication of evidence is new to our police (there’s a long history of it) but the ease with which it can be done now is astounding. The belief that computers and cameras was going to make policing and justice balanced was a fallacy. All its done is create the space for corruption to flourish.

    It is more than the therapy sessions that has been weaponised in Australia.

  • Something I wonder about the movie Gaslight.

    (Spoiler Alert) It seemed to me that the gas light brightening and dimming was not done by Charles Boyer as a deliberate ploy to drive his wife insane. It was an unintended consequence of his overall plot to drive her mad. If that’s the case it’s interesting to me that all one needs to do is set the cycle in motion and it gathers speed of its own accord.

    For example, the removal of the documents proving I was ‘spiked’ with benzos, and the use of my claim that I had been spiked as being a delusion I was suffering from (It’s a common delusion among ‘mental patients’ that they are being drugged without their knowledge, in fact THE most common delusion). The truth becomes a weapon as a result of the fraud by the hospital Operations Manager. Clever when you think about it. Exquisitly poisonous was how I described it to the Chief Psychiatrist. Of course he was in with the gaslighters so probably didn’t appreciate exactly how poisonous such conduct can be. These people have a tendency to justify their vile conduct in their own delusional way.

    The good news is it is fairly easy to recognise someone who is being gaslighted, and then move in on the perpetrator who is usually a psychopath who thinks they are much cleverer than they are. (What’s up Doc? And you went in to medicine to save lives huh? Oh well, someone with the stomach for it gotta do it I guess. And you got the short straw so to speak)

  • “He highlights modern-day, “American Psychosis,” best exemplified in the election and presidency of Donald Trump. He also discusses how the concept of collective neurosis can enable recognition of these delusions, which have perpetuated violence upon those deemed “different.” This, in turn, opens the possibility for the development and application of postcolonial strategies to refute these delusions.”

    You guys like my new red cap? “Make America Psychotic Again” lol.

    “Community mental health care provides an alternative to institutionalization, and the initiative is grounded in the anti-psychiatry movement, in that it critiques institutionalization, the coercive and hierarchical relationship between psychiatrist and patient, and the pathologizing of social issues.”

    I’d question this statement also. Community Mental Health care is prison without bars, an abuse of human rights, and if anyone cares to go through it with me is resulting in some of the most vile conduct i’ve ever witnessed. The home delivery of drugs with police, and the constant threat of being incarcerated (in a place where your highly likely to be subjected to further abuses) because you haven’t done your dishes like the nice Community Nurse wants. And the authorities charged with protecting the community ignoring the very laws put in place to protect because Pappa (Community Nurse) knows best. I don’t believe that ‘anti psychiatrists’ would claim a victory for this metamorphosis of abuse from psychiatry. Perhaps the reformists/apologists may claim it a victory?

  • “To hate injustice and stand on righteousness is a difficult thing. Furthermore, to think that being righteous is the best one can do and to do one’s utmost to be righteous will, on the contrary, bring many mistakes. The Way is in a higher place than righteousness. This is very difficult to discover, but it is the highest wisdom.”

    “It is said that one should not hesitate to correct himself when he has made a mistake. If he corrects himself without the least bit of delay, his mistakes will quickly disappear. But when he tries to cover up a mistake, it will become all the more unbecoming and painful. When words that one should not use slip out, if one will speak his mind quickly and clearly, those words will have no effect and he will not be obstructed by worry. If there is, however, someone who blames a person for such a thing, one should be prepared to say something like, “I have explained the reason for my careless speech. There is nothing else to be done if you will not listen to reason. Since I said it unwittingly, it should be the same as if you didn’t hear it. No one can evade blame.”

    These two quotes from the Hagakure come to mind. It also makes it very easy to identify ‘mistakes’ and ‘evil intent’.

    I also note you consider ‘the movement’ as people who wish to “reform psychiatry” so i’m not a member. I do not believe that something that has become this corrupt can be reformed. Out with the baby, the bathwater and the tub in my humble opinion.

    In my belief system when God gets tired of the corruption He wipes people off the face of the earth and replaces them with something better. Ask Lut.

  • Pilliavin and Pilliavin wasn’t it?

    Cops here are certainly not doctors, they think it’s okay to spike people with stupefying/intoxicating drugs which would actually be a crime if only they could find their copy of the criminal code. Mind you I guess the public is happy with them doing this because the Minister says she considers this conduct “reasonable”. And yet in the next breath they are saying it is “abhorrent and extremely dangerous”. I do wish these hypocrites would have their feet put to the fire over this matter. Because on one hand we have a Dr Kearsley going to prison for it (when he can actually prescribe these drugs) and a bus driver being given the right to do it if it means police get to interrogate people who have been spiked.
    I think this type of ‘con’ was shown in the movie Se7en when Brad Pitt wants to enter the home of a suspect without a warrant.
    Doctors they are not, in fact it would be difficult to call what i’ve seen police.

  • I’m assuming last “reply” button gets me to the bottom of the list.
    What needs to be realised Oldhead is that our Prime Minister has made it clear that we as a Nation need to separate ourselves from outside interference from the likes of the UN. It is precisely these sorts of documents that he does not want people discussing. We know what is needed here and if we want to torture, maim and kill our citizens keep your noses out of our business.
    Now let me say that Australia has a history with apathy. They show protests on the nightly news here from different countries and the people here think it doesn’t happen here because we have nothing to protest. Well, there was that time the unions started organising and they State government passed 54(b) of the Criminal Code which made it unlawful for three or more people to congregate in a public place without a permit from the State. Not that it was enforced on anyone other than the unions, and it only took 11 years to have the High Court remove it as unconstitutional.
    I sometimes ponder what may happen in the 11 years it takes to have these unconstitutional laws overturned. I mean in that instance they smashed the unions to pieces. But what about these Euthanasia Laws? What if some clever doctor or lets say Epidemiologist (like the guy who wrote the draft of our new Mental Health Act with a clause for steralizing children without parental consent included) found a bit of a loophole and ………. 11 years? I mean the Germans are notoriously efficient so they got a lot done in less than 11 years, but still…..

    What bothers me is the total capitulation of people here who claim to be ‘advocates’ for those deemed ‘mentally ill’. It has at times literally made me sick to think about it.

  • Consider, we have the Minister for Health who has the facts in front of him. And he has said he does not have a problem with citizens being ‘spiked’ with benzos so they collapse, and when they do, plant items on them for police to find and make a referral to a Community Nurse. This Community Nurse then fabricates the ‘reasonable grounds’ for transporting the person against their will to a locked ward of a mental institution where, because of the lack of resources all they can do is drop them with enough anti psychotics to lay an elephant out for a week. Seems a bit convoluted and riddled with issues to simply get someone to a hospital for treatment they don’t need for illnesses they don’t have don’t you think?

    I mean, I really don’t know if its me but what was done seems totally unreasonable, but when your dealing with a Minister who doesn’t understand reason what would you expect.

    And of course with the slander being applied the Minister finds it very easy to pass the buck as the complaint is a result of some fabricated illness now that requires drugging.

    I mean I get it that his sister, the psychologist, was quite possibly involved given her friendship with the person doing the spiking, but surely he can put his family issues aside from his duties as Minister? Is Nepotism listed in the DSM?

    Am I being unreasonable thinking that I shouldn’t be allowed to be ‘spiked; and have items planted on me to obtain a police referral and exploit the loophole in the Convention against the use of Torture? I mean if it’s me then i’ll wear the loss of my family and career and home and well, literally everything. Otherwise I ask that these criminals be brought to justice as it should be.

  • There is and never has been a need to suffer until the bitter end Sam. There is no State authority that is going after people who have taken their lives sucessfully.

    My concern, as I have noted, is that in my State, the protections afforded the community under the law (Mental Health Act) are being ignored by the very authorities charged with ensuring their enforcement due to them wishing to have carte blanche, and no one is willing to stand up and say anything about it.

    Apply that attitude to Euthanasia laws and what have we got? Oh but our politicians who have passed both sets of laws ignore one set of protections, and yet claim they will ensure the others? And we believe them? And I don’t for a moment expect anyone to believe what i’m saying about the Chief Psychiatrists dereliction of duty, and the Minister not liking the protections and therefore rewriting the law to enable arbitrary detentions for mental health workers, but I do believe it important that someone who actually understands the law checks. Rather than have some incompetent lawyer tell us that if people are being snatched from the street for absolutely no reason that it is “the spirit of the Act”. And what is the spirit of the Euthanasia Act? To ensure doctor isn’t late for his tee time at the Country Club?

    The very same person (Minister for Health) who boasts about the legal protections in the Euthanasia Act has deliberately overlooked the protections afforded in the Mental Health Act because if he were to recognise them then it would mean people are being kidnapped and tortured, and he doesn’t like the sound of that and prefers to call citizens (with protection) “patients” (without protection), and then kidnap and torture is detain and refer. We should call him Houdini. Consider the power of being able to make a citizen into a patient AFTER you have done an operation on them. No plunging a knife into someones chest isn’t unlawfully killing, it was an operation done in a back alley by a medical professional. And given that they have shown me that they distribute fraudulent documents to lawyers they can make anything a reality. Fact, authorised by the Clinical Director of the hospital in a memorandum which was ‘accidentally’ included in the documents for the lawyers. Someone who doesn’t want to be identified obviously doesn’t agree with the torture program they are running, shame they are so afraid of loosing their job though.

    Making ’emotions’ illnesses and trying to treat them is wrong, but making dying a medical procedure steps over a line in my opinion. And especially when the State is not prepared to respect the legal protections they claim to be affording the community. If the way my matters were dealt with by the State were applied to the Euthanasia Act they could kill arbitrarily and not a damn thing anyone could do about it (other than rely on the medical mafia to deal with those who are deemed to be going beyond what would be considered reasonable). The doctor who suspected on reasonable grounds that the patient would be dead within 6 months, and had their consent to end their life would become the doctor who suspected on grounds he believed to be reasonable (ie their a bucks to be made) has completed a fraudulent consent form and sent it to the families lawyers and ended the citizens life.

    I challenge anyone who has examined my documents to show me how or why it could not be done. Because if it were, the authorities would do a cover up here, and ensure that no action were taken to protect their already tainted reputation. Better they use their positions of trust to fuking destroy peoples families than be seen for what they are, frauds and slanderers.

    The only way they would gain the trust of the public would be to ensure that the community was made aware that if something was done that was illegal, they would act swiftly and according to the law, not have police tell people that they don’t have a copy of the criminal code and that the Authority that deals with licencing of doctors doesn’t know its a crime to ‘spike’ peoples drinks with benzodiazepines. Thats the sort of attitude you get in a Police State not a supposed democratic society. Still, as i’ve said before the world gives you lemons, make lemonade and well, a torture tourism program seems to be more than on the cards. Come Kuddle a Koala in Kakadu lol Throw another tourist into the Locked Ward would ya Mr Hogan.

    Speaking of which I actually met a guy who was from Canada who they eventually deported. Interesting that his government (via their consulate) was regularly calling in to ensure his safety. Guess they have reason to be concerned about their citizens given the way we are treating our own people here. Well done Canada.

  • I found this aspect of my interrogation by my local Community Nurse verballer particularly interesting. His justification for incarceration and forced drugging being “not eating/sleeping”. Now of course as this ‘assessment’ (if you can call being tortured that) involved me being ‘set up’ he had some prior information provided by the person who had ‘spiked’ me and planted a knife and some cannabis for police to find. This was that I was not sleeping or eating for the past two days. The information was provided in the figurative sense, and not the literal.

    So the friendly verballer asks me about my eating, and I explain that I have not been eating as well as I usually do, but that if he could provide me with reference to any legislation which had passed without me knowing that required a certain caloric intake on a daily basis, I would ensure that I would fulfill my requirements for the State, and save him some time having police jump me in my bed. Of course he couldn’t provide such reference because I don’t believe it exists, however……. he uses the figurative language on his statutory declaration to mislead anyone reading his justification for incarceration and forced drugging because ‘disturbed eating and sleeping’ is hardly reasonable grounds for locking someone up, whereas NOT sleeping and eating may well be seen as being justification.

    Funny, maybe he could actually see the future because whilst two days of disturbed sleep and eating has now turned into nine years of not sleeping or eating properly. I say its because of the torture and kidnapping by public officers, but they seem to think its because of some illness I have, despite the psychiatrist who examined me that day stating emphatically that there was nothing wrong with me other than I was extremely angry about being snatched out of my bed (after being ‘spiked’ with benzos) and ‘verballed up’ by some fraud and slanderer who had lied to police about me being a ‘patient’ of his hospital to have them point weapons at me whilst he tortured me into a ‘confession’.

    I can’t see how without some form of legislation stating how much we are required to eat a person can be locked up for not eating. Its a rubber ruler used to justify arbitrary detentions otherwise. I mean personally I would have been more concerned about the Community Nurses alcoholism (drunk before 10 in the morning?) and the weight he had put on as a result of that, but he’s the one pointing the finger at people for police to brutalize for him before his interrogations. And I guess his ‘illness’ is a result of being a fraud and slanderer for the State soooo. Verballing being a form of ‘noble corruption’ the people who engage in this corrupt practice like to call it. Not so the people who spend years wrongly incarcerated and force drugged as a result of the practice, to them corrupt is enough. And of course the dead know only one thing, it is better to be living.
    Still, he’s getting the job done. And well I guess anyone who can have a young woman locked up in a mental institution (where it is highly likely she will be sexually assaulted. Our Minister tells us “you can’t listen to them they’re mental patients”) for not doing her dishes and make it sound ‘reasonable’ on a Statutory Declaration should be writing fiction novels, not swearing false court testimony on Mental Health Forms. A frustrated writer trying to get out there methinks.
    And he has the full support of his Operations Manger who is destroying anyone who has a valid complaint. She is the really nasty bit of work here, because it is my firm belief that she knowingly pushes people to violence and suicide with her gaslighting, and then has her colleagues justify their forced drugging and incarceration. Machiavelli would be proud.

  • That paragraph jumped off the page for me John, and I can’t quite put my finger on exactly why.

    I think it’s the failure to recognise that psychiatry is being used by law enforcement as a means to get around the Convention against the use of Torture. ie the exploitation of the “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction”.
    In my State police can detain and make referral to mental health who can start ‘treatments’ without the knowledge of the ‘referred person’, and then hand them back to police for interrogations. Police can then interrogate the ‘referred person’ who has been ‘spiked’ and then hand them back to mental health so that a doctor can then give a diagnosis (in my case this took three minutes of a doctors day) and inject them with enough anti psychotics and benzos to lay an elephant out for a week.

    In fact this ‘system’ is working so well our new Mental Health Act has placed a Mental Health worker in every large police station in the State. Personally I don’t like the look of it myself and consider it to be a State sanctioned torture program, but now that my government has also made the killing of ‘patients’ a form of lawful medical procedure I might be best to keep my thoughts to myself, rather than be responsible for training public officers in the use of known torture methods, and how flimsy the notion of consent to such procedures in the medical area really is. Anasognosia anyone?

    I guess their must be some psychiatrists who know what’s going down, because they say about 40% of them have left our public system to begin practice in the private sector. Some people apparently just don’t have the stomach for it.

    Anyway, good article if your reading Bruce.

  • These “reasonable grounds” I speak of are even set out in the Mental Health Act under s.26. They are that a person
    – has a mental illness (thus not me, as I was not a patient as defined in the Act)
    – their illness is treatable –
    – the person has refused tretment
    -the least coercive method of getting the person treatment is used.

    Basically. However, the way the Chief Psychiatrist has misrepresented the protections of s. 26 of the Act it may as well be thrown out along with s. 4 the defintion of what a mental illness is.
    Suspect on reasonable grounds (see section 26) becomes suspect on grounds he believes to be reasonable, which has no standards set and could constitute tomato which could not be contested in a court. Thus he has enabled arbitrary detentions without even removing the protections of the MH Act. The good news about this is that the public actually thinks they are protected, while there are mental health workers running around drugging people without their knowledge and snatching them from their beds using police resources, and then any complaints they will be, according to the Operations manager who examined my complaint “fuking destroyed” if they don’t stop pointing out that what they did was actually kidnapping and torture. They are trying so hard to make it look like medicine and dont need the public noticing that its actually criminal conduct disguised as ‘medicine’.

    These claims I am making are not even in contention. The letters are there along with some other ‘evidence’ which the police do not seem to want to take into their posession. the witnesses have been threatened, the fraudulent documents distributed to lawyers and the slandering of my person complete to the point where I have no friends left. they’re really good at this I must admit, and I understand why there is fear of these people, especially when I found out about the State giving them not only the power to kidnap and torture citizens, but that they can unintentionally negatively outcome them while police turn a blind eye. It saves all that stuff with ‘evidence’ and you know these guys went to some trouble to ‘verbal’ stat decs and spike people and then cause ‘acute stress reactions’.
    They can’t even remove the bad apple because it would expose their negligence in regards the other victims who came after I had made my complaint. I mean they were told, and failed to listen because of the effectiveness of the system of slandering people they have created.
    And I am still to this day being slandered by the Minister for Health who also doesn’t like the protections of the law, and prefers to give carte blanche and zero accountability to these organised criminals operating in our hospitals.

    Nine years of torture and they continue with refoulment and not a soul will step up and say “this is wrong”. Still, i’m in good company, this sort of thing has been seen before if one cares to look at history.

  • “You got this one wrong, JC and Boans. CRPD is a potentially revolutionary document. Don’t be stymied by the bureaucratic/legalistic tone. And read Tina’s response carefully. She’s on OUR side.”

    Never doubted that for a moment Oldhead. Its not unlike the government here making our aboriginal people into humans in 1968, a momentous act. If only we could get people to start acting like they were humans is the issue.

    And of course the legalistic/bureaucratic tone is of course an issue for me. I’m sick of trying to explain what a burden of proof is to people who should have a thorough understanding of what that is. The Minister for Mental Health doesn’t know what a “suspect on reasonable grounds” legal protection is? The Chief Psychiatrist wants the law to read “suspect on grounds he believes to be reasonable” and of course if this is true then the torture and kidnapping I was subjected to goes away. The principle of the mental Health aw Centre doesn’t know what “suspect on reasonable grounds” actually does in law. Wow, imagine that, all that trouble to write laws that protect the public and then the people charged with protecting the public don’t know what they are.

    Of course if they would just come out and state their case of Well sometimes we want to torture people and we need to overlook the law, i’m fine with that. Torture away people, just let the public that is forced to vote for you know this is where you stand, stop hiding behind your claims of plausible deniability and negligence. Of course these cowards won’t do that, they use thugs to do their dirty work and claim the moral high ground. Leave the children of others to die for rights they overlook when it comes to the community they have a duty to protect.

    Tell me what good would this document be to our Minister, Chief Psychiatrist or the Principle of the mental Health Law Centre who haven’t the knowledge to pass a first year law course? And sure that sounds silly doesn’t it? Want to see the letter I have from them stating they do not like the protections of the law so they have removed them for the convenience of some organised criminals acting as doctors? “Suspect on reasonable grounds” becomes “suspect on grounds he believes reasonable”?

    I’ve heard it said that this is a low bar set by the State. It is also the standard set for mandatory reporting of suspected crimes by public officers in s. 28 of the Corruption and Crime Commission Act. The crime of Procurring the apprehension or detention of a person not suffering from a Mental Illness carries a 2 year prison term, and yet the Minister and C.P. simply never suspect that this crime has occurred despite having the documented proof? We know I wasn’t suffering from a mental illness as I was ‘assessed’ on that day and cleared of all charges, no mental illness. And of course the Community Nurse lied to police to have them detain me by claiming I was a “mental patient” of his hospital, thus creating a false belief. And then there’s the conspiring to pervert the course of justice over the concealment of the drink spiking with benzos. and the list goes. Though it doesn’t matter it went through to the same people who deal with priests who have been molesting children so expect no action.

    Its a burden that is low when applied to me, but beyond reach when applied to a public officer who is ‘verballing’ mental patients and having them unlawfully detained by police. Of course we know where the complaints about their crimes goes. A needle full of drugs and weeks of dribble therapy for the complainant, and if necessary fraudulent documents to lawyers who have a duty to protect their human rights. Then there is the conversations between the Minister and said lawyers regarding funding for the Mental Health Law Centre and how it might be best they drop this one. Just look the other way while we have an unintentional negative outcome with your client who you have failed in your duty to represent.
    Start throwing people who have been tortured under a bus for what? Some political leverage? You just lost any leverage you had with the corruption. No wonder these abuses in our institutions abound, the people charged with protecting US have been compromised and are looking the other way. The odd one slips through yes but only to give the appearance of fairness. It allows the places like the MHLC to act as ‘venus fly traps’ to catch anyone who has evidence of criminal conduct to be ‘neutralised’.
    Don’t believe me? Like to view the proof? Thought not.

  • Altruistic Evil I’ve heard it called.

    They say that some of the workers at the concentration camps could take babies from mothers arms and kill them, and then go home to their families and eat dinner. I’m a bit like the guy who interrupted my killing in the ED in that sense, I don’t have the stomach for it. But the people who were plotting to murder me were actually quite nice folk who simply found themselves in a tricky situation, and like most people didn’t want to go to prison, so they used their position of trust to kill a few folk. And you can’t blame them for calling in a few favours from police for that.

    I think the Milgram, Zimbardo and Asch experiments tell us a little more than we need to know in some regards. I mean the politicians telling us that “more than 85% of the public wants Euthanasia to be legal” is a classic example of how to exploit social pressure to enact laws that politicians want, but do not want the community discussion surrounding them. Make them believe their in the minority if they don’t agree with your policies, when the reality (for me at least) was that not a soul I spoke to actually agreed with the legislation (Euthanasia), maybe because of the conservative people I mix with but …. our voices were not heard during the debate.

  • I’ll make an assumption that you recognise the methods of exploiting the “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction” part of Article 1.1 of the Convention against the use of Torture.

    By ‘spiking’ citizens and planting items for police to find and then obtaining “lawful sanction” to ‘treat’ citizens the whole community can now be subjected to the use of known torture methods and have no means of remedy as a result of this ‘hack’. With the dereliction of duty by our Chief Psychiatrist they have carte blanche and zero accountability with regards arbitrary detentions and thus the use of known torture methods (which we will now call ‘medicine’).

    Good news, bad news. it;s going to be awfully useful for ex public officers to ensure their silence on matters of “National Security” such as we have seen lately with the use of corporate credit cards for prostitutes. Careful what you wish for, because you just might get it. Even our Treasurer had to flee the State for treatment for his bipolar lest he be ensnared in the State mental health system. The Premier calling for his privacy to be respected (in other words no questions while we do a cover up and a ‘sheep dip’).

    And I can’t imagine it’s too difficult to figure out if a mug like me knows all about it.

    From little things big things grow. Surely the progression from torturing a few vulnerable individuals to a wholesale torture program sanctioned by the State is not surprising? When the CRPD criticised Australias mental health laws as being “a violation of human rights” and that the “treatments may constitute torture” you would think that the new Act would provide better protections. Instead they invalidated the statement with the rewrite and made the situation a whole lot worse by making human rights abuses even easier. And will we have to wait another 20 years before a statement is made regarding the human rights abuses enabled by the current Act? Because the expansion of the ‘industry’ and the abuse of powers is difficult to deny. They have used and manipulated the situation to double down.

    “Added protections” was the line being spouted by our Politicians about the new Act. What they didn’t tell anyone was that these protections were not for the community, and well if the community made the mistake of thinking they were being protected by these protections, caveat emptor. Truth is doctors were getting worried about being sued over ECTs on children, and so they received protections under the new Act and now our ECTS have increased by a whopping 194%, mostly kids.

    Added protections. They need colostomy bags attached to their cheeks.

    And now we have a Euthanasia Act with “more than a 100 protections”. It seems these people have found a model that works, simply tell the public they are being protected and they will go along with anything. because everyone wants to be protected right? Try exercising your rights to these protections though and well……. your in for a shock.

  • Ms Minkowitz,

    in the paper you link to you write:

    “Many people with psychosocial disabilities are still placed under the civil death of plenary guardianship, or deprived of legal capacity in broad areas of life (typically, finances and personal care).”

    Could you tell me how I might find out if I have been subjected to the ‘civil death’ you speak of? It seems that in my instance I was ‘flagged’ for death after making a complaint about being ‘spiked’ and having a knife and some cannabis planted on me to obtain a police referral to a Community Nurse, who could then ‘verbal’ me on Forms and have me treated for an illness I didn’t have.

    Since making my complaint regarding this method of obtaining police referrals for mental health workers (necessary because of the protections in the law which mean a person needs to actually be a “patient” before they can be brutalised and call it ‘medicine’. If I had been “patient” there was no need for the planting of items on me for police to find and make immediate referral to the waiting whack team) it appears that my life has been very different, for example the police tell me they don’t have a copy of the criminal code in a large metro police station, and it feels like my right to make decisions on my own behalf has been hijacked without anyone informing me as to why. It is my firm belief that this has been done to conceal the original criminal offences that were committed against me by these mental health workers. It seems bizarre to me that the lawyers who claimed to be assisting me have to contact some unnamed person who claims to be my ‘guardian’ to ask if I have permission to complain about their criminal conduct towards me (ie the assault on me by ‘spiking’).

    In what other areas do police call the alleged perpetrator and ask if the victim should be given the right to make complaint? And refuse to accept the documented proof of the crimes because the criminals don’t want the evidence to be admissible? To me, conspiring to stupefy and commit an indictable offence namely kidnapping are serious matters, and yet they disappear if police are deceived into the false belief that I was someones “patient” and they will actively assist these criminals)

    I was no ones “patient” and yet found myself being subjected to the sort of ‘care’ they receive, and have now fallen prey to criminal frauds and slanderers. They even sent a set of fraudulent documents to the Mental Health Law Centre. I showed these to a Member of Parliament because I had no idea that hospitals had carte blanche to conceal their misconduct with criminal fraud. The police turning me away with the documented proof resulted in the hospital attempting to retrieve the documents I had with the assistance of my self appointed guardian. They were in no hurry to have proof of whether the claim was true or not, they simply wanted me to be someones “patient” so they could act in such a disgraceful manner and call it ‘care’. Such an ’emergency’ requires special powers to act before anyone notices the crimes you’re committing, and wow how effective is the slander they use? “oh the claim he has been spiked is a common delusion, we call that mental illness” while they hide the truth with fraudulent documents.

    Anyway, direction on how I might go about finding out how these criminals have had me ‘flagged’ as sub human to conceal their crimes would be greatly appreciated. I’d like to go back to the good old days where I was speaking for myself and was a loved father/grandfather with a home.

    I even had Shine lawyers tell me that my ‘doctor’ had authorised the ‘spiking’ but that they couldn’t tell me who my doctor was for reasons of confidentiality. Maybe it’s my illness but that seemed a bit bizarre. Especially considering as far as I was aware I didn’t have a doctor (all referrals had expired and thus i was a free man under our law).

    Perhaps they were referring to the doctor who wrote a prescription for the drugs I was spiked with 12 hours after they were covertly administered, and 12 hours before he even knew of my existence? He writes prescriptions for ‘spikings’ post hoc? I see a problem there but ….. he’s the doctor. maybe he had a premonition that I was going to become his “patient” or something? Because his colleague made claims that he could read minds and travel through time and space to make the “observations” required by law before engaging police to transport me against my will to a cage they call a hospital.

  • This is Serious Mum

    I’m on the drug that Killed River Phoenix (or, he’ll never be an old man River)

    I saw his body thrashing round.
    I saw his pulse rate going down.
    I saw him in convulsive throes.
    I said “I’ll have one of those.”

    And they say (police and mental health services) I can be ‘spiked’ with this stuff because I wouldn’t take it willingly? What next, they want to pour Bourbon down my throat and follow with some pork crackling? And i’m the one who is nutz? Think again fools.

  • “These results are contrasted to a similar study done in an Australian hospital, where researchers found positive sentiments of respect, dignity, and trusting relationships with staff members.”

    https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/the-true-extent-of-assaults-on-nurses-in-the-wa-health-system-20190213-p50xjq.html

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/graylands-patient-died-after-injection-coronial-inquest-told-ng-c54018a0b8206469536caf0800619c01

    Is that second article written by THE Phil Hickey?

    Ah yes but Australian Hospitals have the right to “edit” any documents to provide false and misleading information to anyone they wish. I have that from good authority, the Minister for Mental Health no less. Cover ups to misrepresent data here is common place. And I note they didn’t ask the people who have had their necks broken and died as a result of restraints here in Australia. It’s also the case that we do not have any “National Standard” as to what constitutes a “chemical restraint” here either. Consider that fact carefully. A little bit of dribble therapy never hurt anyone did it? Well, maybe just a few.

    “Footage has emerged of a mentally ill woman stumbling around a NSW hospital, covered in faeces and falling over at least 25 times before she died of a brain injury the next day.

    The horrific video from Lismore Adult Mental Health Inpatient Unit, situated at Lismore Base Hospital, was released on Friday following a coronial inquest”

    Respect, dignity and trusting relationships? I can’t begin to imagine what it must be like elsewhere if we have such respect dignity and trusting relationships.

  • I had lawyers who submitted a complaint regarding the criminal conduct of a Community Nurse some years back now. The Chief Psychiatrist responded to this complaint after 14 months and began with ‘I apologise for the delay but the manager of the hospital was on leave over the Christmas period’

    Now when i wrote back (because the Mental Health Law Centre threw me under a bus at the request of the Minister. A quid pro quo for funding from the State. Dollars before human rights eh?) I was wondering which Christmas period we were talking about, because TWO had passed. Not that my complaint was considered important because the Chief Psychiatist simply rewrote the protections afforded the public in the Mental Helath Act and enabled the arbitrary detention and torture of anyone in the State because he found it “reasonable”. Unlike the protection in the MHA of “suspect on reasonable grounds” which can be tested in a court. Of course with lawyers like those at the Mental Health Law Centre ensuring they accept fraudulent documents and then slander their clients behind their backs, who would ever have to worry about courts of law. No need when the person charged with protecting the public doesn’t even know what a burden of proof is.

    I’m sure he has served the interests of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, much better than being their President, by taking the position of Chief Psychiatrist and then being derelict in his duty to the ‘consumers, carers and community’ he has a duty to protect under the Mental Health Act. By not doing a job he is receiving a large pay packet for he has enabled carte blanche and zero accountability for psychiatrists in the State.

    I wonder what occurred as a result of this negligence regarding my complaint. I do know that some people had to make a run for it once police were provided with the documents I have. And imagine I have a letter from the Chief Psychiatrist himself stating he apologises for his “error”. Maybe sorry to the unintended negative outcomes that occured as a result of not listening to my complaint will be next? I think not, cover ups have become the stock and trade of our politicians when it comes to our medical fraternity. I even have copies of the fraudulent documents sent to the lawyers, and authorised by the Clinical Director of a hospital who calls removing legal narrative “editing”. Surely his lawyers wouldn’t wish to know about him being ‘spiked’ or not being anyones ‘patient’? Noooo, we’ll just replace those documents with these and if the lawyers form a false belief, we cant be held responsible right? We never are. “editing” my arse, it’s criminal fraud you filth.

    I can appreciate what you are being put through Doc G. Document it though, because at some point in the future these people will be held to account.

  • “Steve McCrea February 8, 2020 at 10:17 pm
    I should have said that HIPAA protects AMERICANS against having their medical information spread around. I can’t speak for any other country. Sounds like Australia may have some catching up to do in this area!”

    Got to thinking a little more about this confidentiality. And I realised I approached Shine Lawyers (who boast about assistance for the little guy aka Erin Brokovich). I provided them with the documents about how I was ‘spiked’ and ‘verballed’ and they responded with “oh your doctor authorised the ‘spiking'”. So I asked well who is this “doctor” you speak of? Because as far as I know, and can dismiss any claim to the contrary, I didn’t actually have any doctor, and there was no one with any prescribing rights involved in the conspiracy to kidnap me (ie a citizen, a psychologist, not MY Psychologist, and a Community Nurse from NOT my hospital, ie I wasn’t anyones “patient” No doctor patient relationship, these are crimes).

    However these ethical and upstanding lawyers at Shine lawyers tell me that they can not tell me who my doctor who prescribed the administration of benzodiazepines without my knowledge actually is. That’s confidential information. Which really does make my life difficult because now I have to get letters from every doctor in the country to prove I didn’t have a doctor and therefore I was tortured and kidnapped and not referred and assessed.

    I would have thought if someone was making the claim that they were my doctor and prescribing me intoxicating and stupefying drugs without my knowledge I could at least have their name?

    But the Privacy Act 1988 seems to provide that sort of protection. It stops me from confronting someone who is a liar. And it also allows citizens to be spiked by doctors who they haven’t even met.

    Well done Shine Lawyers you have managed to enable a criminal operating within our hospital system with your concealment of information I believe I have a right to know, ie who is allowed to spike me and with what drugs? Because I certainly had no doctor/patient relationship until I was snatched out of my bed after being drugged without my knowledge and transported against my will on a fraudulent Form 1 to a hospital where I was dumped under the nose of the most disgusting doctor I’ve ever had the misfortune to meet.

    Behave like Nite Club pack rapists and claim ‘good faith’? Find out that they have documented their crimes and …..well, lets leave that because its not in the public interest to know how the State is dealing with allegations of torture. And no, the spiking and acute stress reaction DO NOT constitute ‘soft’ torture (unless of course your the State that is doing the torturing then you can make all sorts of absurd claims and slander and commit acts of fraud that no one will assist the victim with. Hey, lets call torturing people medicine to get round the Conventions. The public so afraid of our own government they run at the signs of public service misconduct. “quick, get out or they’ll ‘do’ my family too”).

    And yes, “these things do tend to get a bit out of hand” Prof. I had no idea that they needed to unintetionally negatively outcome the victims to ensure their ‘good’ reputation remained in tact. That is obviously a delusion they suffer from because the community has been terrorised into telling them they are doing a good job, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Nice work from the Einsattsgruppen eh?

    So yeah, we have confidentiality, but its being used in all the wrong ways. By people from whom you might expect better. Well done Shine Lawyers.

  • Amnesty International calls for Australian Prime Minister to raise the issue of human rights abuses in Indonesia? Might Amnesty International not call for Indonesia to raise the issue of Australias human rights abuses with the Prime Minister?

    Not how it works. The sychophants at A.I. will point fingers at certain countries and ignore the abuses of others.

    All part of the ‘whitewash’. Speaking of which, Australia criticizes Ghana for their ‘spiking’ of “patients” whilst neglecting to protect their own citizens (never mind “patients”).

    i guess the drugging of “suspects” without their knowledge is considered ‘medicine’ these days, and when it all goes wrong, blame the victim. One guy who claims he was ‘spiked’ set fire to his two children and I know for a fact that the State is allowing this to be done and then slandering the victims and making the proof disappear.

    Can’t have anyone knowing that the drugs are the cause of violence so conceal the facts from the public as it is not in their interest. And of course how can you debate that it is in your interest when you don’t know what is being concealed from you?

    Trussssssst Ussssss

    On one hand we have politicians saying ‘spiking’ is “abhorrent and extremely dangerous” and on the other we have Community Nurses (and the Minister for Health) authorising it without any prescribing rights as an aide to police (and public service) interrogations (combined with ‘acute stress reactions’, aka torture methods). Seems a little more than inconsistent. So who do you complain to about being subjected to torture? Because i’ve been looking for who for 9 years now and all i’ve found is that the State (if they investigate and find it to be true) simply drop you off at an Emergency Dept for a ‘hot shot’. Refoulment I believe this is called, but with no effective mechanism to investigate other than the people doing the torture investigating themselves, i don’t hold out much hope for anything other than an expansion of the program.

    I have explained in detail what occurred and why it constitutes torture, only to have my complaint ignored. They can’t say it.s not torture as that would be proof that the State has neglected their duty under the Convention by not training public officers correctly in what does and does not constitute torture. So they say nothing, and that way no one can be held accountable. A bit like our Chief Psychiatrist not knowing what a burden of proof is then arbitrary detentions and torture can be overlooked with his dereliction of duty and criminal negligence. I’m sure his enabling act for human rights abuses will secure his place in history.

    Breach after breach and not a soul will stand up and say “this is wrong”. I get it now how the National Socialists rolled into town.

  • And the loophole?

    Just lie and say you didn’t have the opportunity to seek consent from the ‘patient’ to release the information. I mean the telephone was there right in front of her and well, my wife opposite who could have told her I was at home, but instead they decide to ‘spike’ with benzos (no prescribing rights) and induce an “acute stress reaction” by using police to point weapons at me when they jumped me in my bed. Tehe, that’ll get him talking won’t it? (“Really, all we need to do is pretend he is your patient and they will do all this, for ME?” $200 and the anti psychiatrist goes down)

    And with a phone call a good mans (no it’s not narcissism, I do believe my friends would support this claim, though they all soon left when the stink of mental health services appeared) life is utterly destroyed, and the community is right in doing nothing, just pray these folk don’t move on to you next, because they have the full support of our police and the authorities charged with protecting your rights.

  • Privacy Act 1988.
    Looks great on the surface but I’ve been shown the loopholes by some organised criminals. I really should be thankful but i’m not. I’d rather not have known and been left alone rather than spiked and kidnapped. And then as explained by the Operations Manager who distributed the fraudulent documents to lawyers, fuking destroyed (ie haven’t seen my family for 9 years, lost my home, my marriage, my career and all because I complained and had a legitimate complaint). It’s okay I get it, they don’t want to be seen as torturers and kidnappers so need to do some stuff to make the truth not the truth, ie fraud and threats to witnesses and well, preferably get the victim to commit suicide. No worries, I’d like to leave this vile place now coz I thought we all worked together to make it a better place, not stab each other in the back because we hate the truth. See ya’ll in the next life, NOT.
    Point being this Privacy Act 1988 is being use to conceal crimes rather than assist in providing protection for the community. It’s an absolute farce and anyone who has anything to do with it knows this, the uninitiated are left to hang. For instance once the backbiters got going in my case, they all start concealing crimes for each other knowing that if one cracks they all go down. My private and confidential records (sealed by the court and cost me tens of thousands to have representation) turn up in a public hospital. Now call me suspicious but the documents reveal that my wife gave this hospital the name of a psychologist at the private clinic, and well I get the feeling that the three minute ‘assessment’ wasn’t enough to give me the ‘provisional diagnosis’ I got. It came from this psychologist breaching confidentiality. Can’t prove it? Yes I can but no one wants this to be true. Boans must have a mental illness we got the dirt unlawfully from this clinic psychologist. Might it be that she didn’t like Boans or his anti psychitary stance, especially given her husband is a psychiatrist? I had to have the report written by the psychiatrist at the clinic for a claim over a workplace incident. My choices were, speak to this psychiatrist or be damaged by my employers negligence and wear the cost myself, I chose the former and engaged legal representation before I visited the psychiatrists office. The lawyers explained thoroughly my rights.

    Its a case of too late Boans we let the info loose and well sorry about that but we didn’t mean it when we said you had the right to your medical information to be kept confidential. And despite your referral expiring and thus your no longer legally a ‘patient’ we are going to lie to police and have them brutalise you as if you are. In fact were going to have you spiked with benzos and then plant a knife on you to get a police referral because we know we don’t have the right to make a lawful referral, and so we need to trick police. The Minister is authorising this type of conduct by mental health professionals because of the need to get treatment to the community. I mean it’s a tough job, especially when people won’t speak to public officers because they know they are planting evidence on people and ‘fitting them up’. So they need to plant evidence on people and fit them up to do their job. All good, Chief Psychiatrist and Minister know we need arbitrary detentions and torture and are authorising it via their dereliction of duty. Got the proof if anyone would like to look. C.P. doesnt know what the protections afforded the public in the Act are? Yreah right, people would say i’m nuts if I told them that, except well…… want to read his letter of response to my complaint?

    Complaints? Well, the hospital who had received the confidential information from a confidential informant who didn’t wish to be named wanted proof that i was at least someones ‘patient’ or they would have tortured and kidnapped a citizen. Obviously the clinic psychologist couldn’t provide that proof (though they did try to have me made into a ‘patient’ by obtaining a referral from a G.P. post hoc to conceal their offences, and failed). I was, according to the Mental Health Act, not defined as a “patient” and thuis the ‘spiking’ and fraudulent statutory declaration used to kidnap me, were crimes, committed by co conspirators. But the clinic psychologist did have a husband who could unintendedly negatively outcome people at an Emergency Dept before the police got involved and realised what had actually been done.

    So in the end it might be best we just let these people do what they want because if we start asking for the law to be applied they are literally killing people.Or should I say voluntarily assisting them to die. Because my State has no respect for the very laws they tell us protect our rights, NONE

    Anyone want to check what I’m saying yet?

  • Weapons of the Weak; everyday forms of resistance. I see MiA as part of this everyday form of resistance. This guy Shorter who has been exposed here is precisely what Scott was speaking about in his book. It,s not cloak and dagger meetings in Cafes and revolutions, it’s a too and fro in everyday life that sometimes spills over and results in a whole bunch of rich and powerful people having their heads cut off while the plebs cheer. We have to have a win every once ion a while to keep us going. Robespierre said it about how the cycle goes. The revolutionary becomes the oppressor.
    There will be no Dawud to slay this Goliath. It might be better to consider the actions of Lot. Leave and don’t look back while God destroys these evil people whose transgressing knows no bounds.

  • “Lawyers can’t help you when “standard of care” is practiced. The professionals form a shield wall that is impossible to break.”

    There was a case here where a young man had gotten intoxicated whilst at the AC/DC concert. Picked up by police and kicked to death by one police officer in the cells. 14 police stood and watched while this was done, and all stood in court and stated they refused to testify on the grounds they may incriminate themselves. Same goes for these medical people involved in ‘restraints’. The ‘joint enterprise’ means that lawyers hands would be tied knowing that the thugs would simply close ranks. So your right there JanCarol, where a ‘standard of care’ is involved, no action would be taken.

  • “That through David’s pharmacological training, he realised that one of the top ten side effects of many of the drugs he had been put on was suicidal thinking.”

    I’ve just been reading an article by Dr Hickey and he makes the following statement

    “In the 2016 US legislative session, the late Senator John McCain and Congressman David Jolly introduced bills in their respective chambers which mandated post-mortem screenings for psychiatric drugs in all veterans who died by suicide. The bills, which were not supported by psychiatry, failed. Now why in the world would psychiatry not support such measures? Why is psychiatry not actively pushing for the reintroduction of these or similar bills today? ”

    I find myself wondering too. Is this something that veterans would support? I personally would like to get to the bottom of whether these drugs are doing more harm than good. Anyhow, i’ll do my best to come back to the podcast when I can.

  • Funnily enough Australia made a complaint to the United Nations about “mental patients” in Ghana being spiked by doctors. Human rights abuses they claimed. And yet here they are engaging in the same practice with citizens (soon to be made “patients” post hoc to conceal the crimes and ensure no action by police).

    A little bit of hypocrisy never hurt anyone though. I notice that Amnesty Interational is pushing the Australian Prime Minister to have a go at Joko Widodo while he is here regarding the human rights abuses in Indonesia. Pot meet kettle. Bit rich Australia with a well established torture program in place complaining about the behaviour of others. Amnesty does seem to have become a tool of Western ‘democracies’ to use against other governments as a means to pressure them into preferred actions. The only human rights watch they seem to care about is the Rolex.

    Bit tough to do that (point fingers about human rights abuses, we sat back and watched them be brutalised and said nothing for quite some time. See Noam Chomsky on the lack of interest in East Timor up until they found oil) with East Timor so we needed to resort to bugging their government offices to be able to cheat them out of their oil.

  • I once said to a psychiatrist to come walk the Ward with me and I would show him some of his ‘success” Of course he declined my offer and probably went back to polishing his Porsche, his proof that he is a success.

    Alchemy if you ask me, the extraction of gold from human fodder.

  • Oh we have laws protecting our medical (and other) confidential information Steve. In fact the laws when you read them are quite well written, and give the appearance of legal protections.

    The problem is with what Jim Gottstein said about Rights without Remedies.

    For example I was told by a Sgt at a large metropolitan Police Station that they didn’t have a copy of the Criminal Code at his Station. Thus he didn’t require a copy of the documents I had which were proof of me being ‘spiked’ with benzos, becasue he didn’t know that under s. 305A of the Criminal Code this constituted Intoxication by Deception. Now I get it that a doctor rang him and requested that he not take the proof of this criminal offence because I was a “mental patient” and therefore had no rights to be complaining about being ‘spiked’. But if he knew his duty, he would have taken said documents in case the doctor was a criminal and was lying to him. Instead he has just done a favor for a crook. Still, when did police ever give a damn about what is done to mental patients. What next animal welfare
    call outs? Mind you the doctor had gone to the trouble of having me ‘flagged’ as mental patient while they used police resources to deal with their little criminal issue.

    Or our Chief Psychiatrst who writes that he doesn’t know what a burden of proof in law actually is, and therefore rather than a Community Nurse requiring to “suspect on reasonable grounds” that a person needs to be locked in a cage and drug fukd to silence them over crimes they have had committed against them, he prefers that the “suspect on grounds they believe reasonable” which of course can not be tested in a court of law. Arbtrary detentions and torture thus being fine with him because he couldn’t possibly do his duty if he doesn’t know what it is. Nice pay packet for not doing your job.

    We have great laws if you look. But of course the lack of resources at Police Stations means they are having to wing it. I note that just the other day it was noticed that the speed cameras at the side of the roads seem to be objective, but that when pulled over by police your much more likely to get a ticket if your Aboriginal. And then it would be a search the car and a pat down for drugs and well, lets be honest they’re not averse to planting a bit of stuff round here with the lack of accountability. Keeping our prisons full of people who are disrupting the social order. The organised criminals in our hospitals don’t need to worry about speeding fines. The Jaguars come with an automatic back scratcher lol

    Great laws, no ethics or integrity on the application part of it. Character flaws I guess. Bit like the way these Priests were viewed for their indiscretions with hundreds of children. I guess some day people will notice the need for a copy of the Criminal Code in our Police Stations rather than a menu for Dunkin Donuts.

    Let me quote a letter from a Police Superintendent regarding my complaint about kidnapping and torture (and a subsequent attempted murder)

    “Sgt R reports her attempts to contact you via email to discuss the issues were unsuccessful. On 2 Jan 2020 she sent an email to you requesting your assistance in the investigation and asking that you contact her within 14 days. To date, no response has been received fro you and the investigation progressed with the information on hand”

    Then further down the page this

    “After considering all the evidence, Sgt R found there was insufficient evidence”

    But you just said you didn’t get all the evidence, I mean what sort of investiagtion doesn’t ask the victim what evidence they have? Sounds like the approval process for an anti psychotic. The lack of evidence supports the use of this new drug lol

    Now I’m not saying this copper is lying, but I received no email. And well, it seems to me that minus the documented (and recorded) proof I have, it would be pointless doing an investigation. The outcome would be predetermined by the lack of evidence. Maybe that’s what they want? We don’t want it to be kidnapping and torture so we are going to manipulate the situation and pervert the course of justice? And who you gunna complain to? People who are making referrals to corrupt doctors at the hospital that kidnapped and tortured me?

    People have every reason to be afraid of our Police when they write such nonsense and let it be known how corrupt they have become.

  • In fact, the manipulation of reality goes some way to explaining the problems with psychiatry.

    I mean here I was a citizen who had been ‘spiked’ with benzos laying in my bed oblivious to the people who were conspiring to have me transported against my will to a cage in a place they call a hospital.

    Now the truth is that this conspiring was criminal as I was not a “mental patient” but by screaming ‘fire’ in a theatre they have cause the very confusion they required to obtain the desired outcome. “Mental Patient” , “knife”, “quick get him”. And what a joke that it actually worked. Not that the police or the mental health workers gave a fuk, just doing their jobs the claim is.

    However, what really interests me (and should be of interest to the public) is that the documents that prove what i’m saying were not the same ones provided to my lawyers. I’ve gone from being a citizen who had serious criminal offences committed against me to being a “mental patient” of this hospital for ten years. And because they can add me to the list of people for police to brutalize, i’m done for. No come back against these criminals operating in the hospital system. Police are actually assisting them now, and need to keep doubling down . I even have a letter from a Superintendent claiming that because the people the police threatened didn’t complain to police then their is nothing to be investigated. Of course what a pain that I turned up in a station with proof of me being kidnapped when they thought they had retrieved it, and God forbid that others had looked and realised what had been done to me. We don’t like that truth and prefer the fraudulent one. And so they have made what is false the truth.
    And I can’t say I disagree with that. I mean It’s not nice that its being done to me, but the good news is i’m not alone in being a victim of torture and kidnapping. Given the ease with which these public officers covered this up, I know there are many others, most likely dead as a result of the gaslighting. And the community living in fear of police corruption and the criminals operating in our hospitals whose crimes are being overlooked because “tomato”. My wife, who worked very closely with these criminals tells me about how easily the community can be targeted. They have citizens commit the offences (eg plant what evidence they need) and then exercise their discretionary powers and neglect their duty. Of course there is an Article covering this in the Convention against the Use of Torture (acquiescence by a public officer eg ‘spiking’ before interrogations) but well, they seem to be blind to anything that doesn’t suit the false narrative so , can’t see it.
    Personally, why should I care? I’ve asked for my property back so I can leave this vile country that has put a torture program into place and is murdering citizens to conceal their conduct. Fine, no probs, the community doesn’t really care, go for it. I’m sure you will make the world a better place if you can just get the powers you need to bring us all into line. I’d just rather die starving on the streets of a place where I have some protection from criminals, not have the State BE the criminals.

    Noah said it was going to rain, and the people replied “yes but we have umbrellas”. Good luck with your torture and kidnappings, call them what you will with your slandering and fraud there is an easy road ahead for you.

  • I always smile when I read certain aspects of my documentation from the day I was tortured and kidnapped Sam Plover. Speaking of clueless doctors there is the one who gave me a diagnosis based on his three minute interview with me (well at least that’s the preferred narrative, lets not discuss where that ‘provisional diagnosis’ was obtained because of the crimes involved) but he writes

    “Potential for violence but no actual history”

    Now I mean, that;’s everybody on the planet and well does he not recognise his own paranoid delusions when he writes them down? I guess he never will really because he arranges for everyone he comes across to be given enough benzos and anti psychotics to lay an elephant out for a week, and then calls the reaction to these drugs an illness.
    And well, he is also an ordained minister and I guess he may be used to getting people into small rooms and having them remove their clothes before inserting objects into their mouth or anus when he has been overtly denied consent, but has the use of force and drugs available to him. How convenient that he knew I had been ‘spiked’ with benzos and I didn’t eh?

    If I had the power to I’d be having a closer look at this guy, but police seem to think he is someone who requires protection via criminal negligence.

  • But just between you and me…………

    I paid lawyers tens of thousands to ensure my privacy at a private clinic only to find my ‘medical records’ turning up like magic in a public hospital after they arranged to obtain a police referral by planting items on my person. Do you think I can get my money back? Do you think I can get a lawyer who will look at the real set of documents from my ‘referral’ (which was after all a kidnapping as a result of me not actually being a “patient”?). Maybe you could argue that I was a “patient” of the private clinic? Not the case and well when they found that out they did try to make me into a “patient” by getting me to obtain a referral from my G.P. When that didn’t work they had to resort to ‘alternative methods’ of distributing fraudulent documents and conspiring to pervert the course of justice.

    I find it fascinating what can be done to a person once you have slandered them with a label of mental illness, and then call these treatments medicine. So if you think you have a right to confidentiality see ACC v Stoddart HCA dec 47, no spousal privilege in common law in Australia. With that decision all lawyers would know that the whole set of dominoes falls. You have zero right to privacy , and anyone can be ‘coerced’ to provide your information to the State.

    Protections under the law, you have none if it is the State (ie corrupt public officers) are the people who are breaking the law. Theoretically.

    I mean how rediculous that the people you have to complain to are the same people authorising the use of known torture methods. They take the information you have and then start distributing fraudulent documents to lawyers and threatening your family to get them to commit crimes they then overlook. You of course think your going crazy and some of them actually get their rocks off on the power of being paid to push people to suicide. The family going along with it thinking these are good medical people.

    Still, the German people turned a blind eye for some time while a large number of undesirables were deloused. What was I expecting from my community?

  • Taking into consideration the availability of force by mental health services I think a careful reading of the above is warranted. Maybe the term comes from the old adage “Kirist for the Mill”? At least that’s what you will become if they ever find out your trying to heal yourself without their professional help lol

  • Yes.

    It can be done by a Community Nurse who has no prescribing rights, and no ‘patient’ even here in Western Australia. Sounds insane, and had they retrieved the documents I have I wouldn’t believe me lol. But there it is, drug them without their knowledge, point guns at them to cause an acute stress reaction and then subject to 7 hours of interrogation. Not a problem. Simply conceal the evidence and slander the complainant as a paranoid delusional, and of course threaten their families.

    The need to get medical care to citizens has meant the Chief Psychiatrist has gone to the extraordinary lengths of discarding the laws protecting the public, and via his negligence and dereliction of duty allowed carte blanche to do whatever it takes to root out mental illness. Even if it means torturing people into confessions that they are ill.

    To make an omlette you need to crack a few eggs i’m told.

    We have even done away with confidentiality between doctor/patient, lawyer/client or priest parishoner, but don’t let the public know. They’re walking into the trap left right and centre.

    High Court of Australia. “No spousal privilege in common law in Australia”. Thus the dominoes fall and coercion can be used to have doctors, lawyers of priests provide information to police despite claiming they will keep it to themselves. National security i’m told. Or a means to conceal the truth.

    Would you spy on your brother? Would you eat your dead brothers flesh? Neh, yeah would abhor it.

  • “Magic creates something tangible out of “thin air.” Magic does not concern itself with how things work; it thrives in ambiguity and deference to unseen forces. Cultures where magic thrives are incompatible with capitalist values of the primacy of individual responsibility and rationalization of all aspects of life that the constant pursuit of efficiency demands.”

    Magic creates something out of thin air? You mean like the DSM creates mental illnesses out of nothing?

    Magic does not concern itself with how things work, thrives in ambiguity and deference to unseen forces? I assume you get where i’m going with this one Shariq? Sounds way too much like psychiatry for my liking.

    Great news though that this magical system is incompatible with capitalism. Can we expect purges of these people who are practicing ‘witchcraft’ any time soon? Because i’ve got a life I’d like to get on with living minus these leeches who seem to have attached themselves to me with magic spells, and incantations of laws that seem to have zero relation to reason or logic.

    “The idea that we may experience the world from the point of view of a non-human animal has no place in our culture of individualism.”

    So you’ve never been involuntarily commited and forced to take these brain damaging drugs then?

    Untie the knots Brother.

  • Is it not the case that the NYT has actually done us all a favour by bringing attention to Shorters ‘backbiting’? I’m sure his colleagues will feel comfortable challenging the Emperors views on important matters in the future knowing that he would slander them in their graves. Don’t underestimate the ability of the readers to extract what is important from the article. They have brought attention to Bonnies work AND at the same time exposed the ‘backbiter’. Isn’t that what Bonnie would have wanted? These people being shown for what they really are? And in the NYT of all places 🙂 Well done Bonnie.

  • Support away madmother13. If you honestly think i’m not supportive of “their life, their choice” then your completely wrong.

    But I would once again point out that the legal protections afforded the community are being overlooked with regards the Mental Health Act, so why would I trust the State Government to observe the protections they boast about with regards their Euthanasia Act? Your ‘argument’ is one seen here regularly in that saying you do not agree with the ‘treatments’ being dished out by these so called doctors, means you would leave people to suffer in their times of need. The two are not necessarily related. Just because I don’t think ECT is a means to ‘cure’ depression, doesn’t mean I don’t recognise that people do become what we might call depressed. I’d just like some safeguards in place before people are snatched from their beds and have electricity applied to their skulls and call it medicine.

    If someone is getting to the point that you describe (and I have seen it) then I would be looking at finding another doctor, not arguing that the doctor doesn’t have the tools he needs to do his job. Speak to Michael Gannon (Head of the AMA) who tells us that it simply requires a sophisticated knowledge of the law. He offered to explain it to Alydee Lancee on the front page of the newspapers.

  • Oh our lot don’t do that oldhead, they mislead, misrepresent, misdirect, misogyny, but never lie. See by telling us nothing then they can’t possibly be held to account, and that is without doubt the game. In fact, ive spent the whole day pondering that quote below from Saul of Tarsus. I realise he had to be careful how he worded things given the psychiatric system was in its infancy back then, treatments such as being fed to Lions, crucificion etc. But he does seem to have a bit to say about those who lie and stray from the laws sent down from this God we all seem to have so many disagreements about. Worth a read those letters of his to the Romans and Thessalonians.

    And God sends upon them a great delusion that they might believe the Lie 🙂 Which lie would that be? The Lie

    I’m with that great American Ben Franklin in that God heals, the doctor just collects the fees. Which funnily enough seem to be extremely large in these times where a Ben Franklin doesn’t stretch too far.

  • “Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.”

    Just beautiful. Worth going back to Romans 2 where it states;

    “You therefore have no defence – you who sit in judgement, whoever you may be – for in judging your fellow man you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, are equally guilty”

    Nowhere to run to Baby, nowhere to hide.

    So does this mean that to stand up to the likes of Hitler is to stand against God?

  • I like how in America they discuss the stuff they are going to do if they get elected.

    Where I live for example the ‘new’ government got elected and then told us they needed to rush through some legislation to allow Euthanasia. Making killings a medical procedure wasn’t even mentioned by either party during the election campaign, just the new roads and trains they were going to build. Anyway, now we have the removal of peoples right to consent via their anasognosia, a Mental Health Act that provides “added protections” (who wouldn’t want that huh? Oh as long as they don’t mention the protections are for doctors to do ECTs on teenagers). Its much too sophisticated for us plebs to understand I guess.
    And we HAVE to vote to create the appearance of a democracy. It gives legitimacy to a bunch of elite lapdogs doing the bidding of their masters who would otherwise not even meet the standards to have their deposit returned. No one would willlingly vote for these corrupt individuals we have. Don’t believe me, stop forcing us to vote.

    Anyway, back to America. What is going to happen when this guy Sanders looses the election to Trump? Is that an admission that folk want more restrictive laws and bigger and better institutions? More AOTs? Because that may be a possible outcome of openly discussing giving human rights to people deemed unworthy.

    Anyway Boans has been singing “I’d like to live in America” since reading this article 🙂

  • The escape hatch you speak of was used when I was ‘spiked’ with benzos before having items planted on me to make an arbitrary detention appear to be lawful. These mental health professionals (a Community Nurse) is using the ‘spikings’ to have people subjected to known torture methods and then his colleagues at the hospital are doing cover ups for him.
    Here’s one though, our police who have a duty to act on these matters tell me they can not find their copy of the Criminal Code and therefore the conspiring to stupefy and commit an indictable offence namely kidnapping is not criminal. Imagine the luck of this guy, police won’t accept documented proof that I was ‘spiked’ because that means they would have a criminal on their hands?

    Better to have me treated for the paranoid delusion of believing that I was drugged without my knowledge and then fraudulent documents were sent to lawyers who claimed to be representing my interests. Thats the preferred narrative.

    The escape hatch consists of criminal negligence, fraud and slander of victims of criminals operating with impunity in our hospitals and who have carte blanche to torture maim and kill while police look the other way and claim that the ‘good faith’ defence covers such criminality.

    I’m sure that the ‘evidence’ when they wished to charge you for your crimes wasn’t overlooked claiming that they sent an email and no one responded so therefore the investigation was done minus the documented proof. Sorry to say nothing to see here. Mind you i’m sure that providing our police with the ability to do incompetent investigations into their use of torture (by spiking people and then calling the claim it was done a symptom of an illness) will make catching criminals a whole lot easier. Well, that is if they even find their copy of the criminal code.

    100% confidence in mental health professionals who behave like nite club pack rapists and have police support to conceal their criminality? I’m sure their reputation would take a hit despite the assumptions being made by the public that this bitch was asking for it.

    I never wished to be ‘disinhibited’ but this did not suit certain people who wished me to ‘consent’ to what they call ‘assessment’. Refuse to talk to mental health professionals you get ‘spiked’ with benzos and they have police rough you up a bit by pointing weapons at you and threatening to shoot you, that outta loosen your lips huh? Acute stress reaction plus spiked with benzos = torture.

    How lucky was I that the drugs wore off before the psychiatrist subjected me to forced drugging and incarceration for being ‘spiked’? Talk about a fixed game.

    Noooooo our authorities are perfectly happy with this type of conduct being called ‘care’ or ‘medical treatment’. Well, unless……..two sets of laws in my country it would appear, depending on the color of your skin, or wether you have been slandered by a Community Nurse giving you a diagnosis of a Serious Mental Illness and adding your name to PSOLIS without the authority to do so (tehe how stupid are the coppers), and merely to conceal the crimes he is committing against the public. My how different the police treat you then, and of course now they prefer the false narrative to the truth.

    It fascinates me though that this can be done in order for the State to remove our human rights, simply make the target into “mental patient” post hoc and you can do anything you like to them, especially now euthanasia is considered a form of ‘treatment’, and your lack of insight means you can be treated against your will via the use of (police) force. Worth considering how they got around the rules in my instance because the protections of the law are no protection at all. Even our politicians are fleeing the State rather than fall into the hands of these ‘caring’ individuals at mental health services.

  • Might it be that the goes around, comes around ends up with the political masters who have enabled these human rights abuses might become victims of them also?

    Old Adolph was riding the crest of a wave there for a while (along with his cronies), but took quite a fall once he was addicted to the drugs he was being prescribed by the same people who put his ‘delousing’ program in place with his enabling laws. It’s always a shame to see the effects of the sins of the father being punished but it may be their children being subjected to forced ECTs for a single facebook post misinterpreted by their teacher.

    I’m a bit like the doctor who interupted my unintended negative outcome in the Emergency Dept, I don’t have the stomach for it. But I know some folk who do.

    Thanks for reminding me of the potential outcome of this “Silent Holocaust” Bippyone

  • Doctors are finding all sorts of uses for these stupefying/intoxicating drugs.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/oncologist-john-kearsley-jailed-after-drugging-and-indecently-assaulting-doctor-20160826-gr1q75.html

    And of course as the type of uses rises, the prescribing of them rises.

    I’d like someone to do a comparison of the reasons this guy went to prison, and my situation

    Kearsley puts 1 tab into a bottle of wine and shares it with registrar. I got ‘spiked’ with 2 tabs for myself.

    Kearsley is a doctor and has the ability to prescribe these drugs, the person who ‘spiked’ me is a bus driver and the Community Nurse who conspired to conceal has no prescribing rights and is more than a danger to our community.

    Zero documentation regarding the act in Kearsleys case, and a post event ‘confession’ (of sorts). All admissible evidence.

    I have documented admission of the act, and the telephone call recording existed of that admission. A public officer engaged in a conspiracy to conceal the evidence of the crime, and attempt to pervert the course of justice. There is a witness who was told before the event that it was going to be done also. And police were present and ‘observed’ my drunken type behaviour. All “insufficient admissible evidence” I am told by police. Not even a written and open confession from the ‘spiker’ is enough.

    So how does this work? Because their is absolutely no consistency with the law here. I was spiked to enable a conspiracy to kidnap, Kearsley to enable his sexual assault and yet …… How powerful these people are when they can pervert the course of justice over their own criminal acts.

    Insufficent evidence is a lie, and a lie told to deliberately gaslight and terrorise the community into the belief that police have carte blanche with regards who gets charged and who doesn’t. It assists greatly in the spread of their corruption. And, as we now know from the Royal Commission was one of the reasons that priests got away with raping children for 40 years while police turned a blind eye, in fact in some cases returning the children to the rapists. And if nothing changes, nothing changes.

    So careful who you trust with your children because police have not changed their conduct as a result of the Royal Commission. In fact they are still prepared to conceal criimes for a select group of people who can provide them with criminal services which can be overlooked by exercising discretionary powers they do not have. All that ‘intelligence’ they received from the “confessional” for throwing a few kids under the bus eh? I’m sure the same is true regarding this enterprise they are running with mental health services, torture, maiming and killing disguised as ‘medicine’. Many folk not realising that the right to confidentiality has been overturned in Australian law. See ACC v Stodartt HCA 47. Your doctor, lawyer or priest now turned into snitches for the State, via the ability to ‘coerce’ them to breach confidentiality. Noice.Nicola Gobbo

    There have been nite club rapists convicted on less evidence, and let me say that there is no doubt this ‘spiking’ was done with evil intent.

  • “I remember once walking into a new doctor’s office for a physical. Before we even spoke, I was handed a prescription. I asked him what it was for, he said heartburn. I handed the prescription back to him and told him I didn’t have heartburn.”

    I wonder if this was doctor projecting? He actually had the heartburn and by giving out prescriptions for a drug he could pay for the operation to stop it? “But I don’t have heartburn”, “You do now” lol

    And I laughed when I read about Dr Paine

    The 58% figure is particularly disturbing (not for the corrupting influencers but for the people who make the mistake of trusting their doctors)

  • Nice try Jim, but your right saying that the odds are stacked in one direction.

    I have a letter here from our Chief Psychiatrist that i’d like you to read in which this person charged with the duty of “protecting the rights of consumers, carers and the community” and who provides “expert legal advice to the Minister” rewords what you lawyers call a burden of proof.

    The conditions to be met before a person can be referred for an examination by a psychiatrist are set out in our Mental Health Act (s.26). If an authorised mental health practitioner suspects on reasonable grounds that the person they are examining meets the criteria of an involuntary patient then they can use police to have the person transported against their will to an authorised hospital.

    Suspect on Reasonable Grounds. The Chief Psychiatrist does not like the way this wording provides protection for the public via reason, so he has rewritten it to read “the authorised mental health practitioner need only suspect on grounds they believe to be reasonable that the person requires examination by a psychiatrist”.

    This change achieves two ends, it means that reason is no longer required as it is decided by the AMHP what is reasonable (and therefore not the courts) and it creates the appearance that the consequences of the actions are a chat with a doctor, not incarceration and forced drugging.

    Of course i’m sure you would be aware of what happens when you point out to the Emperor that he has his dick hanging out for all to see. (That’s right, a prescription for Viagra. Off label use for cosmetic reasons) Fortunately I also have a letter from a Police Superintendent telling me that all they require to detain citizens is a call from a Community Nurse and they will snatch anyone from their bed and deliver them to a hospital, no questions asked, and no complaints will be accepted along with any evidence of conspiring to kidnap.

    The law, the way I read it seems to provide some protection from being drugged without your knowledge and having people plant items on you to obtain a police referral under the MHA. But in reality what is occuring is that those in authority seem to be neglecting their duty and giving carte blanche to oragnised criminals operating with impunity in our hospital system. And do you think they care who knows? Unlike the people your dealing with who want it kept secret, these guys want the whole community to know how corrupt they are.

    Kill one to scare a thousand. And when our Prime Minister says “Australians are a people who value a rule of Law” I laugh, knowing that I have these letters which are proof that what he is saying is fantasy. These people are perverting the rule of law for their own profit, and not a good soul left to put up any resistance.

    Rights paid for with blood being written away by cowards and criminals with pens. And we are forced to vote for them to provide the illusion of legitimacy.

    I’ve no doubt that when the current Chief Psychiatrist left the Royal College of Psychiatrists for the post stating that he could be much more effective from this position, he was right in that by subverting the rule of law and neglecting his duty to the public, he could enable his fellow psychiatrists to achieve lawlessness. And we know what happens once that occurs (see 2 Thessalonians)

  • Forgot to mention the ‘hot shots’ being dished out in Emergency Depts for dissenters. That tends to shut them up and ensure that any one else who is considering criticising ‘Doc’ from speaking up.

    Load em up with benzos and tip them over the edge with some other patients morphine I say. Then watch as the Coroner writes “death from morphine from an unknown source” on the paperwork.

    Boans sings, “They smile to your face, but all the time they want to take your place, Backstabbers” 🙂

  • “improperly calling police to help with mental health patients.”

    What about the situation where the mental health services are calling police to improperly deal with citizens?

    Police tell me that should they receive a call from a Community Nurse who requires their assistance to kidnap a citizen (look at the law folks, they only have the power to use police resources with people who have been diagnosed with a serious MI) they will willingly oblige. And this also allows the Community Nurse to authorise the ‘spiking’ of their newly found mental paitent with stupefying/intoxicating drugs before police subject them to interrogations.

    It’s the perfect symbiotic relationship which allows arbitrary detentions and the use of known torture methods.

    And do you think there is a soul who will stand up to these thugs and say “You know what. This is wrong”? Not where I live, they will all do as they are told and turn their backs on the victims of these human rights abusers. I mean why would they rock the boat, it’s never going to be them who is affected by the use of torture right?

    I wonder if there is just one police officer left who agrees that using torture methods is actually detrimental to our community, or that arbitrary detentions may actually result in the further corruption of an already damaged system. Because if you wish to become a career criminal these days you would be better off studying medicine as it will provide you with safe haven from any prosecution for acts of torture, kidnapping and killing.

    I have letters from senior police and the Chief Psychiatrist proving they have given carte blanche to doctors (neh, even a Community Nurse can authorise the spiking of citizens without knowledge minus any prescribing rights when police exercise their disretionary powers to allow his criminal conduct) with negligence resulting in zero accountability.

    On one hand we have politicians saying the conduct is “abhorrent and extremely dangerous” and on the other we have a police superintendent saying “go for it, spike em before we put a gun to their heads and threaten to shoot them if they don’t confess”. A confession obtained using these methods perfectly acceptable in our courts, but documented proof that you have been ‘spiked’ is considered “insufficient admissible evidence”.

    Those who would pervert the course of justice deserve to be imprisoned, not paid for the crimes they are enabling.

    I saw one young mans video when he was being threatened with pack rape by a police officer being described by our Police Commissioner as being a “poor choice of words”. I mean I get it that these are considered ‘coercive methods’ but …… seriously?

    I’ve heard it said that you get what you pay for, and these criminals who are running rampant in our hospital system are costing us more than a few taxpayer dollars. And the newspapers are worried about our politicians using corporate credit cards for prostitutes, so they have started sexually assaulting the staff to keep costs down? I think a serious look at the way money is being spent in mental health services for corruption management might result in better cost savings.

  • “92. Global trends indicate a proliferation of policies and practices in which universal human rights principles are actively undermined or human rights are applied in a selective way…”

    The undermining of human rights principles where I live is complete. I have received a letter from a Police Superintedent that states that if police receive a call from a metal health service they will attend any property and take the person who has been fingered in for treatment. No reason required, no nothing, a Community Nurse who has arranged for their target to be spiked with benzodiazenpines doesn’t even need to plant evidence on their target for police to find. Someone you have never met wants you delivered to a hospital and thus it is done. Not even a doctor, a Commnity Nurse mind you. No powers to diagnose, no ability to prescribe intoxicating/stupefying drugs. Just I want them taken to the hospital because. And the legal fraternity is happy with this it can only be assumed, because not a peep despite them being fully aware of this being done.

    Arbitrary detentions and the use of known torture methods all lawful according to this police superintendent. And not a soul prepared to dispute this, despite their being laws designed to protect the public from such conduct by authorities. What happened folk? They have guns and we don’t? A vote for either party is support for these abuses?

    Seriously? I mean I get it that I was thrown under the bus, but its the rights of every citizen in this State that is being ignored by those in authority (Chief Psychiatrist and Police Superintendent who deny the existence of the law?). They are not just gaslighting me in an attempt to silence me anymore, they are saying that no one has any human or civil right to fall asleep without being labelled mentally ill and requiring treatment. And as euthanasia is now considered treatment?

    Never mind, don’t look and you won’t see. I’m not asking that my rights be observed anymore, it’s your rights they have removed. And unless they are informed of their duty it would appear they are quite prepared to neglect it, and allow all to be kidnapped and tortured with no means of remedy.

    And don’t let your assumptions get in the way of the facts. I’ve heard all the “they wouldn’t do that” excuses, and “you must have done something for them to snatch you from your bed”. I disagreed with someone over a threat that was made to harm me by some meth users with a history of home invasion, nothing more. If thats a mental illness then there’s more than an issue. So for this I am to be locked in a cage and injected with enough chemicals to incapacitate an elephant for a week? That’s got to be good news for meth users and anyone who wishes to have an enemy harmed by folk acting in a manner consistent with altruistic evil.

  • I’m taken back to a statement made by one of my lecturers at College.

    If you can’t see it, how do you know it’s there?

    Do you “suspect on reasonable grounds” or “suspect on grounds you believe to be reasonable”?

    Oh if only I had the ability to convey the absurdity of how our police and mental health services deal with what they call “evidence”. Still, by perverting the course of justice and not finding the evidence of their own crimes they have enabled the use of known torture methods, kidnapping, maiming and killing.

    If they don’t like the law, they simply ignore it, and not a soul would dare hold them to account. As I was told they will fuking destroy you. This for speaking the truth.

    I’d be careful when a police superintendent writes to me they have zero problem with a Community Nurse calling them and requesting assistance to snatch a person from their bed who has been ‘spiked’ with benzos to subject them to 7 hours of interrogation. Lucky they can authorise their use of torture and the public is supporting them in that. Can’t see it happening in a democracy mind you but …… I guess we were never that.

    Telling the public the truth Till? What a unique concept it is you have there. I can’t see it working for the corrupt individuals who have obtained power in my State. They have found a need to legalise the killing of citizens for convenience just recently to ensure they never find out the truth sooo.

    Imagine how our “Voluntary Assisted Dying’ laws are going to work regards the ‘protections’ when I have absolute proof that our authorities simply ignore the protections afforded the public in our laws. “Insufficient evidence” they claim and yet citizens can be drugged into unconciousness and then snatched from their bed and locked in a cage for forced drugging because they suspected that a sleeping man had some fictional illness that was literally made up on the spot by a Nurse no less. Authorise the spiking too, and the police will do nothing other than assist these organised criminals in our hospital system, and then if exposed double down and threaten and kill witnesses.

    Good people were watching fortunately and while they can not do anything about these criminals because of the police providing material support, they are becoming aware of how corrupted our police and mental health services are. So they’re not really paranoid, we are talking about them behind their backs lol.

  • Verbal gymnastics from a bunch of frauds and slanderers? Who would have thought. I wonder where it originated though, our Minister for Health here tells me in a letter that he prefers the terms “referral” and “detention” rather than the factual terms “torture” and “kidnapping” for what is being done by his charges at our hospitals. This despite having the documented proof placed on his desk. Perhaps he is under the influence of some of these “medications” not “drugs” his buddies are peddling to a captive audience?

    Quite a clever chap is our Minister. Likes to suggest that anyone who has been subjected to violations of their human rights requires medical treatment from the very same people who violate their human rights. A dog whistle slanderer he is.

  • The UN already stated that Australias Mental Health Laws ARE a violation of human rights and that the treatments MAY constitute torture back in 2010. Or respective State governments have enacted new Mental Health Laws which enable even more vile human rights abuses and in the process have invalidated that statement by the UN.

    Fairly easily demonstrated, we now have mental health professionals appointed to police stations. Why you might ask.

    From the last Annual Report of the Council of Official Visitors.

    Ongoing Issues
    29. Police interviews with Involuntary Patients and concerns about Natural Justice (see P.26)
    This issue is ongoing.

    Now when you return to p. 26 to see what is written, there is nothing. The new Mental Health Act has married law enforcement and mental health services and provided carte blanche for the arbitrary detention, torture, maiming and killing of citizens as long as you call the target “patient”. And our authorities are fully aware of this fact. Of course they are well versed in cover ups and making false claims in defense of such acts as “they wouldn’t do that” or “we don’t know where the criminal code is” and therefore there is no need to look etc.

    I hear complaints about the system in the US and ponder what might be if we ever had a system where something that resembled a health care system existed. Dealing with these folk and they simply smirk at you knowing that with a telephone call they can have you murdered in an Emergency Dept., though the preferred method is to move in on your family. There is no pretending even anymore. Why would they? They have achieved a level of power that has our politicians living in fear. Ask Troy Buswell who fled the State rather than fall into the clutches of our mental health system.

  • Just to clarify.

    The Community Nurse commits the offences of conspiring to stupefy to commit an indictable offence, namely kidnapping. Police provide themselves with the discretionary power to overlook his criminal conduct and in return he provides the authority to spike someone with stupefying intoxicating drugs, though in both instances neither has the power to do this. Police are required to report such matters to their superiours and the Community Nurse doesn’t have the ability to prescribe benzos even with knowledge, never mind authorise the spiking of people he has never even met.

    And of course when we examine the Convention against the use of torture it is the “acquiescence” of public officers who are trained in what does and does not constitute torture that is the problem here, with no “emergency provisions” and “no superiour authority”. Still, they threatened my family and what ya gunna do? They threatened lawyers and a psychologist who actually listened to me too. Even asked him to use his position of trust to find out “who else has the documents” proving what i’m saying. These documents created problems when compared to the fraudulent set provided to the Mental Health Law Centre. Should have seen the Member of Parliaments face when he realised what had been done with the “edited” documents. Of course he did tell me he had to work with police (even if they are engaged in corrupt conduct I suppose) And then that business in the Emergency Dept?

    Lucky the Chief Psychiatrist doesn’t understand law or he might be expected to understand what “refoulment” of torture victims means. I still wonder how he can do his duty under the Act of “protecting the community, consumers and carers” and “provide expert legal advice to the Minister” when he doesn’t even know what the protections that are afforded these people in the Act are. I did ask the Minister but she claims that he is allowed to misrepresent the law in order to allow arbitrary detentions, its a power imbalance kinda thing. Shut up or we will ‘do’ your family stuff. That seems a little strange to me. How about you?

  • I wonder if those overseas would realise the direction being taken by our Prime Minister on the UN Dr McLaren?

    “The Prime Minister said he did not want to see global organisations like the UN getting overly involved in the governance of independent nations.”

    From this article

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-04/scott-morrison-takes-jab-at-united-nations-during-lowy-lecture/11572804

    Keep your noses out of our human rights abuses.

    I find myself wondering about your offer of an “experiment”.

    “It is easy for somebody sitting on a mountain of power and privilege to tell those at the bottom of the pile that these things don’t count. If, however, Hickie and his friends disagree, I can easily set up a little experiment to ram home to them that, in mental health practice, power asymmetry is a brutal and omnipresent reality, if not the very essence of institutional psychiatry.”

    After being spiked with benzos and having a knife and some cannabis planted on me to bring me under the control of police, who then handed me over to mental health services to be ‘verballed’ and in effect remove my human and civil rights and allow me to be tortured, I wouldn’t mind being involved in some such experiment. Because given the fact that I now know how to effect arbitrary detentions and torture, and have letters from our Chief Psychiatrist and Minister saying nothing to see here, I think I could easily demonstrate how Australia is violating human rights and torturing citizens. And once “lawful sanction” applies, what would constitute torture is now considered to be ‘medical care’. And police will provide some extreme assistance to ensure that the “patient” has no avenue of resolution via criminal negligence and conspiring to pervert the course of justice.

    How easy is it when a Community Nurse can use the methods of a nite Club rapist to spike a citizen with stupefying/intoxicating drugs and plant the evidence on them to obtain a police referral? And then with the power to read minds and travel through time and space to make ‘valid observations’ to document on the statutory declaration required to detain and force drug a person? And further, a Chief Psychiatrist who doesn’t even understand a burden of proof (suspect on reasonable grounds). I’d love you to read his letter of response to the Mental Health Law Centre, it’s an absolute farce that was designed to do psychological damage to someone he knew had been tortured and kidnapped.

    I assume you know the method of ‘spiking’ with benzodiazpines and then causing an ‘acute stress reaction’ by having police threaten to shoot the target you intend to torture into a confession. And then disappearing the documented evidence of the ‘spiking’ and slandering the victim as a paranoid delusional should they complain about being drugged without their knowledge. Its certainly working an absolute treat where I live. Police get to interrogate people who have been drugged without their knowledge after using ‘coercive methods’ on them (eg mock execution) and then mental health services mop up the mess by ‘treating’ the victim and calling it ‘medicine’. I can do an introduction to the Operations Manager who is “fuking destroying” anyone who complains about this conduct if you like? She might enjoy being part of the experiment too.

    Anyway, good article and I hope you keep us informed of any reponse from these critics of the Special Rapportuer.

  • Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.

    Yep, we need to recognise that our respective communities hate us. When they look at me they see their failure to behave in a manner befitting a human. They don’t want to be seen as people who would torture and kidnap, and then try to murder to conceal the truth. They are desperate to do good deeds, so much so they will impose their reality on others via the use of force. Not unlike a rapist.

    Given the authors name I wondered about his approach to these questions and found myself reading Al Qalam (the pen) or Nun. In the introduction to the surah is written

    “Our Prophet was the sanest and wisest of men: those who could not understand him called him mad or possessed. So, in every age, it is the habit of the world to call Truth Falsehood and Wisdom Madness, and on the other hand, to exalt Selfishness as Planning, and Arrogance as Power. The contrast is shown up between the two kinds of men and their inner worth.
    Let the good carry on their work, in spite of the abuse of the Companions of Evil: let all remember Allah, before Whom all men are on trial”

    I think Rashed is possibly trying to bring these Companions of Evil back to the path, and recognise that their actions will be seen for what they are. Watch as they try to destroy what they do not understand.
    I thin k there might also be a recognition of the levels of fraud and slander in his chosen profession as a result of the Arrogance and Selfishness of the people attracted to it.

  • Yes, I get what you mean about “full functioning” Steve.

    I mean I get it, I was used for what is commonly called a ‘stakeout’. Some criminals within our system have been using their positions to kill a few folk and call it medicine. The State is letting them do that because they can’t speak the whole truth about this industry of death. Another doctor spots what they are going to do to resolve their little problem of kidnapping and torturing someone who didn’t have the status of “patient”. We can’t have these people being put in prison for a few killings, they are highly trained individuals. So they snatch the guy in the middle of him attempting to murder someone and put him on a short leash (along with his ‘crew’). They get the documents I have back demonstrating the kidnapping and torture and begin a process fo slandering and defaming me. Got a few friends in the police department has Prof, so tell them to turn a blind eye should I turn up with the documents.

    Of course this didn’t take into consideration that I would spot the fraudulent set at the Mental Health Law Centre, nor show them to a Member of Parliament. All fine while its the low level police committing criminal offences with their superiors support, but …..waaaa he has dragged an MP into the fray.
    “Who else has got the documents” the police wish to know by threatening a psychologist. Is there still time to put a lid on this, maybe kill a few witnesses or something? Too late.
    This the sort of corruption you see in your system, a medical mafia being given free reign to do whatever they want to whomever they want? And law enforcement with zero respect for the law?

    My government has gone from “full functioning” to comatose in 1.4 seconds flat lol. I do now understand what the head of the AMA was saying regarding the euthanasia of “patients” requiring a sophisticated knowledge of the law. Like me, you just set people up and meet the requirements of the law and finish them off in an Emergency Dept. Police are quite happy to act on evidence that has been planted on persons to manipulate outcomes. Ask my wife, or the psychologist who is releasing confidential information about peoples medical records from a private clinic. They certainly know how its done. Have the public system lackies think they are priviliged to be obtaining such confidential information and we’ll just keep that little secret between us eh? No need to have the “patient” aware we are conspiring to commit offences against them, we’ll just drug them into oblivion should they complain.

    Is there a point of paying thousands of dollars to have your medical records distributed unlawfully by a private clinic to the public system? And shouldn’t the public be made aware that they have no right to confidentiality of their medical records? A loophole one could drive a Mack truck through?

  • That explains why in my State the penalties for abuse of a “mental patient” are half what they are for abuse of an animal. And while there have been cases of animal abuse put through the courts, there has never been anyone charged and convicted of abuse of a mental patient, despite plenty of cases where the public have been outraged by what has been done to certain individuals.

    Of course when you start torturing citizens and concealing these programs from the public by doing cover ups were in a different league. I notice that the video recordings of Abu Zubayahs’ waterboarding have been erased. I’m sure this will stop any future President making promises like those made by Obama to release all of the Abu Ghraib images and then realising what the consequences would be once in power.

    I assume the “we” you speak of is the American people? Because I want it known publically that the torture and convenience killings being engaged in by my government is not being done with my support. And the criminal fraud and negligence being used to conceal the human and civil rights abuses being done under the disguise of ‘medicine’ is possibly the most disgusting thing i’ve seen done by virtually any government i’ve had the privilige to live under. Mainly because it is getting people with good hearts a bad name.

    I mean lets be honest that these people have stood and watched while I am told by a hospital manager that she will “fuking destroy” me for making a complaint about them allowing citizens to be spiked with date rape drugs and then slandered to police by lying and saying the person is one of their patients. Okay, so they are engaging in kidnapping and torture, but killing the person for complaining? When did they pass that law? It doesn’t seem to fit with their “Mission Statement” or “Code of Conduct”? And yet 9 years on and they still sit on their hands and exclaim “we’ll what do you want us to do?” (Police asking me if I want to make a complaint after I have been subjected to gaslighting by them for 8 years being told they don’t know where their copy of the criminal code is and they best not be informed about the attempt to murder me in the Emergency Dept? I get it, it sounds insane, but what about the evidence and the proof? You know the documents they have been threatening to arrest me for having? And how can they, they can’t find their copy of the Criminal Code? So whats the offence?)

    Once they started committing these offences the State really has no choice but to continue down the path of ignoring the rule of law and conspiring to pervert the course of justice. They have a reputation to maintain (or so they falsely believe in their delusional state) And in the process exposes the frauds and hypocrites for all to see fortunately. They are now pretending that they are the good guys and dealing with the bad apples. Better do so before those bad apples tell us how they had your support not so long ago

  • Anasognosia – to be ignorant or too stupid to recognise the god (doctor) you stand before. All efforts will be made to bring you too your knees and worship those who have your best interests at heart, and minus any human or civil rights to defend yourself you can be subjected to some ‘treatments’ that seem to do precisely this. Every once in a while they come across a Bilal ibn Rabah (a.s.), but put him out in the sun with a boulder on his chest and surely eventually he will come round to our way of thinking? Statistics show it’s a highly effective treatment.
    Or he will die. An unintended negative outcome

    Given what is written in the above article, I think there is a case to answer as to who it is that is suffering from being ignorant of the facts.

  • “Instead, I encourage people to ask themselves this: Would you recoil in horror if you saw the same things done to a dog? If you saw a dog strapped to a board and nearly drowned, again and again, would it make you cringe and wince? Would you turn away and demand that it stop? If so, then it is torture, and we should call it what it is.’”

    I think the term used in the defintion of torture is “extreme” physical or psychological suffering. Which if course is subjective.

    That’s why they do it in locked wards with no cameras and ensure that the staff are desensitized to the ‘treatments’. I can bear witness to the indifference of the public regarding my governments use of known torture methods. Having the proof means the whole community turns their back on you while they deal with their little problem. And of course with hindsight I get why you all turned your back on me, because you don’t want to be next.

    So weep not for me but for yourselves.

    I know I had nothing to confess, which was figured out eventually but …. in the meantime they need to keep torturing until they can justify the torture. And should you complain about it, you will be subjected to negligence by authorities charged with protecting the public, fraudulent documents being distributed and then slandered with stigmatising labels while they systematically “fuking destroy” you (to quote the Operations Manager who investigated my complaint and then distributed the fraudulent documents that no one seems to want to address. Really, you people are happy to allow this type of fraud to occur?)

    Abu Zubayah underwent 83 sessions of waterboarding and I don’t believe any useful information was obtained. Unless of course one considers the information obtained from others who were afraid of being subjected to this ‘treatment’ counting. Is terrorizing suspected terrorists terrorism? Lol

  • “Most of the psychologists I know, probably all that I know, came into psychology to do good.”

    Most of the bank robbers I know went into the industry to do good too, as long as you don’t start defining how they’re doing good and for whom it all seems fine.

    I also noticed the “bad apple” reasoning behind the ‘colleagues’ who designed a torture program for Guantanamo. Not that their ideas will be picked up by others and used with evil intent. So what has been done to ensure this doesn’t happen? Nothing? This is of course how people are lead astray, like the Community Nurse who finds it easier to use known torture methods to obtain referrals knowing that the authorities will conceal his criminal conduct for him to maintain reputation. Thus normalising the conduct and well before you know it, it will be your door he is knocking on as a result of your ‘deviance’ from the psychiatric dogma.

    Good comment Someone Else and whilst I know from experience these sychophants do not respond to questions from the people being oppressed by their ‘doing good’, at some point they will be on their knees begging for mercy which will come in the form of fire.

  • “Fortunately, today much of the old thinking has faded away, and we know that much more can be done! ”

    Unfortunately not where I live Mr Sturman. Our new Mental Health Act has resulted in an increase of 192% in the administration of ECTs. And it is my belief that much of this increase was in administration to teenagers (check the last article by Niall McLaren on this site for exact details). The increase is I believe a result of two factors, the first being a clarification by the State as to whom can be subjected to ECTs (and thus allowing teenagers to consent at 14 without parents being involved has opened this up) and the amount of money that can be scammed from our Medicare system as a result of this “highly effective treatment that is saving lives”. I’ve no doubt that this is the line being offered to our indigenous population whose children are killing themselves at alarming rates. In one town they realised that more than 90% of the school aged children had at some point been sexually abused. Not that this is realted to the genetic disease they have of course. And with such effective treatments available????

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/roebourne-western-australia-paedophile-epidemic-child-sex-abuse-simon-mcgurk-a7951946.html

    I do hope that you may be able to bring some attention to this disgrace we call ‘health care’.

  • Our new Mental Health Act placed an “authorised mental health professional” in every major police station in the State. The potential for abuses is massive. I think I mentioned speaking to a MH nurse recently and he tells me that the system is “working well”, which is great coming from someone who is a believer in the methods being used by Deterte where police are judge, jury and executioner.
    One of my complaints regarding my treatment was that I walk into a police station after being spiked with a date rape drug (and have the documented proof) only to be referred to mental health services for treatment for my “hallucinations”? Now I only got kidnapped after being ‘spiked’ so what are they doing with people whoi are being sexually assaulted after being ‘spiked’? Are they ending up being ‘treated’ to silence them, rather than do all that paperwork and stuff? Does it depend on who is doing the complaining (ie the bi$%h was asking for it, refer for brain damage. My friends daughter, refer to Public Prosecutor?). Because from what i’ve been told police dont have a copy of the criminal code for anyone they deem to have a mental illness, which means you can literally abuse them to death and not a thing will be done. They will assist in restraining people to be treated by human rights abusers.

    Our ‘system’ opens up a fast track for perverting the course of justice. In fact consider this. Given what was done to me our police can now have people ‘spiked’ with date rape drugs before interrogations and have this authorised by the AMHPs. We’ve made torture lawful 🙂

  • The ‘watchdogs’ in my country are sychophants. They do exactly what they are told if and when they come across human and civil rights abuses. Because what we are dealing with is effectively a reign by terrorists in much the same way that the National Socialists terrorised certain sections of the communtity in Germany ala 1940s

    I dont know that I would have wanted a ‘watchdog’ then who saw ensuring that the removal of gold teeth from their victims was done with dignity and humanely as a success and that they were being ‘effective’ I’m with oldhead on this one, shut these places down, remove their powers and march them past the corpses.

    These things simply don’t happen overnight, but are a gradual regression into a collective insanity. Were going mad folks, not us as individuals but us as a society. And the ‘medications’ were trying are making things worse not better.

  • The only thing my lawyer was interested in was never getting so cold that she had to put her hands in her own pockets.

    This dual system is a means of ensuring that a rule of law does not prevail. A black person in my country steals a packet of pencils from Walmart and they go to prison under mandatory sentencing laws, a white woman does it and they call it kleptomania and she gets psychotherapy in a clinic.

    Seems fair?

  • “The speaker might do well to wear a white coat, hold a surgery knife in one hand and a bottle of pills in another.”

    The Speaker is now in breach of Section 68e of the Criminal Code by having ready access to drugs and a weapon simultaneously. They can now be referred to a ‘mental health professional’ under s. 195 Police Powers of the Mental Health Act, who can have them ‘chemically restrained’ and call the effects of those chemicals a ‘mental illness’.
    Now that we have you under legal custody the Convention against the use of Torture no longer applies because we can inject you with stuff that makes you feel like your skin is on fire, and this ‘effect’ is “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction”.

    You going to do as we ask now? You going to tell us what we want to know? You going to try and complain? Because any lawyer would turn their back on you knowing all about this little loophole being exploited by human rights abusers.

    This was the method employed by the people at the Ariel Castro Memorial hospital that snatched me from my bed. Spiked me with benzos and when I collapsed I had a knife and some cannabis planted on me. Woke up to my life being destroyed as a result of some criminals who are receiving some significant support from the State government. How do you make conspiring to stupefy with intent to commit an indictable offence namely kidnapping disappear? Call the victim a “mental patient” and provide fraudulent documents to their lawyers.

    I hope your Speaker isn’t a Speaker of Truth Sam because they just found themselves in a bit of bother that will last their whole life, they are now INVOLUNTARY MENTAL PATIENT

    Oh and the protections afforded the public by the Law? The people charged with enforcing those laws don’t even know what they are or how they operate. Our Chief Psychiatrist doesn’t even know what a burden of proof is, so how he can offer “expert legal advice” to our Minister is a puzzle to me. And the Minister writes that the Chief Psychiatrists claim that his rewritten version of “suspect on reasonable grounds” to “suspect on grounds we believe to be reasonable” is “not a misrepresentation” should be the joke of any Law Faculty on the planet. This enables aribitrary detentions to anyone who spends a couple of minutes thiinking about it. And our Chief Psychiatrist doesn’t know this? How can he possibly perform his duty of “protecting consumers, carers and the community”? Not a question the Minister or the C.P. have time to answer for the public i’m afraid.

  • I wasn’t looking for anything when I was ‘spiked’ and jumped in my bed. It seems to me that there is something being overlooked in the comments above, that a lot of these folk are having this crap shoved down their throats against their will, not that they are “seeking help for their trauma”.

    This ‘industry’ is a means for governments such as mine to enable some of the most vile human rights abuses in history. And given the use of chemicals to torture, maim and kill people on an unprecedented scale? And let me say in the process maintain a ‘holier than though’ stance while torturing citizens and killing them if they complain about it. I mean my government had the cheek to complain about what was done to Jamal Khasshoggi by the Saudi government. Really? Have these people visited a locked ward of a mental institution lately? These places have become franchises of Guantanamo where the rules are ignored. Zimbardos ‘prison experiment’ put into action much like the situation at Abu Ghraib and the ability to deny any responsibitlity should the public become aware. Bad apples, isolated incidents etc, when the truth is this was the intent the whole time.
    Take a look at this letter I have from the Chief Psychiatrist. This is someone ‘pretending’ they don’t even understand a burden of proof. Why? To enable arbitrary detentions and torture and ensure the victims have no remedy to abuses. Point out the facts and you are targeted (along with your family) and if you have support, you are ignored. You are denied access to effective legal representation, and police tell you that they don’t have a copy of the Criminal Code whilst arranging for the criminals to come and pick you up from their station because your “hallucinating” if you think being interrogated whilst spiked with stupefying drugs without your knowledge is torture. Clearly a breach of the Convention against Torture on the part of the State Government but who cares when you have the power to kill people in the Emergency dept.
    I was not a “patient” and therefore these were crimes. We don’t like that truth so we have prepared fraudulent documents to be distributed and are going to ignore your facts and evidence for a reality we would prefer. And of course many here at MiA know what is being disguised as ‘medicine’.
    9 years on and they still sit on their hands because they hate the truth that they torture and kill citizens and conceal it with fraud lies and threats to peoples families if they are exposed.

  • I have made a comment above to the Police Sargent who tells me he can’t find the copy of the Criminal Code, and therefore a clear breach of Section 305A Inoxication by Deception is not a crime. Well, it is a crime but he just doesn’t want to take the documented proof of this “abhorrent and extremely dangerous” act (our Politicains words on spiking with date rape drugs not mine).

    I’v got further comment to make to this Sargent who appears to have accepted the word of someone who telephoned him and spoke the truth when they said they were a psychiatrist. But the good Police Sargent might want to cheeck whether the claim that I was their “patient” and therefore don’t take the evidence of serious criminal offences he has until they get the chance to “sort it out”. There’s a major problem for the administration of justice right there Sargent. You see, I wasn’t actually this psychiatrists “patient” at all. He was really worried that you would take the documents i had and you (or more likely one of your colleagues because I would question your ability to see beyond the excesses of your donut addiction) might notice that I had been the victim of some people conspiring to stupefy and commit an indictable offence, namely kidnapping.

    So I ask if you would perhaps listen to people who come into your station with proof of criminal offences that you actually take it from them and allow someone with a level of inteligence to sort these matters out to deal with it. Rather than you decide to provide material support for a criminal who requests that you do something for him because he is a doctor. Particularlywhen for example someone comes in from a night club and claims they have been ‘spiked’ with a date rape drug and have documents to prove that, don’t just take a call from the alleged rapist and send the victim away for them to be dealt with by mental health for their “hallucinations”, as was done with me. Look at what my lawyer called “the proof” before acting in the interests of criminals please.

    I know people will find it difficult to believe me regarding these matters, specially given the levels of slander and fraud I have been subjected to. But they don’t need to ask me, my daughter was with me when you turned me away. Oh damn, she and her children have been threatened, I forgot. The things these mental health professionals need to do to get their medical care to the community is just terrible, they simply need more powers to intervene when anyone stands n the path of their “good thing”.

  • I think the best example of how mental health professionals view patients rights came from the Operations Manager who did a “formal investigation” of my complaint about the way I was ‘treated’ (ie kidnapped and tortured for 7 hours). She investigated the matter, uncovered the fact that I had a legitimate complaint, conspired with others to pervert the course of justice, distributed fraudulent documents to lawyers representing me, and on the face of evidence I have she was involved in a conspiracy to have me murdered in an Emergency Dept after telling me that she would “fuking destroy” me. Fortunately a Prof noticed what they were going to do to resolve there little problem and was waiting in the next booth at the Emergency Dept and interupted the unintentional negative outcome. Police were acually providing assistance to this Operations Manager to retrieve the documenst I still have demonstrating the criminal offences of kidnapping and torture, AND that they provided a fraudulent set of documents to my legal representatives. This of course may go some way to explaining why police can not find their copy of the Criminal Code and tell me that “it’s best they don’t know about that” when I explain that they have been providing material support to organised criminals who are killling people in our hospitals. Probably sounds insane, and it’s meant to, that stops you good people from actualy checking what i’m saying and as with the police, i’m sure you will all be shocked when, if the pile of bodies is ever exposed publically, (not that I expect it to be, my government finds it much cheaper to murder people in EDs than have their negligence, fraud and slander exposed).
    I have the documents, but the issue of peoples families being threatened by authorities seems to be poking good folk in the eye while these criminals are being enabled. I’m sure they will get around to performing their duty eventually, they did with the child raping priests (or are we still using the old term of “character flawed priests”?. Like our Minister for Health prefers the term “referral and detention” rather than the factual terms of “torture and kidnapping”? Despite having access to the truth), after nearly 40 years.

    What on earth are my medical records from an exclusive private clinic doing turning up in a public hospital anyway? I mean its patently obvious HOW they ended up there but given that these were court ordered sealed, …… oh wait further motivation for the unintended negative outcome huh? Handing out peoples private records from court documents might cause a few problems for the bread and butter of the clinic, legal – medico reports for the courts huh? Given that Australias richest businessman was a client, were they handing out his personal information? I’d have thought there were laws protecting that type of information. Real shame the police can’t find the Criminal Code (Which may be with the copy of the Privacy Act, try there Sargent) because if they did they might realise WHY they attempted to murder me.

    Bah, I get it. More money allowing criminals to do a bit of business, and i’m just rocking the boat.

    Rights? You don’t have any. A bit like friends when you need them. Lawyers take money from me to exploit their position and throw me under a bus because criminals requested that they do. Activists who wet their pants and the first sign of trouble. Doctors who turn blind eyes to “patients” being murdered by their colleagues. Politicians who are happy to stand by while citizens are subjected to known torture methods and call it ‘medicine’, and refer complaints to ineffective statutory bodies knowing nothing will be done. And citizens who allow them to enact carte blanche and zero accountability and live in fear that they might be next.

    I want my tax back for a start, your a bunch of frauds.

  • A lot of Aussies have what we call DILLIGAF (from the Kevin Bloody Wilson song) which stands for Do I Look Like I Give A ……. i’m sure you get the picture lol Maybe they could make the pills for treating Compassionate Personality Disorder a repackaged brain damaging tranquilliser and call them Dilligafs? All rights reserved by Mr Wilson.

  • I have been chuckling about our politicians and their conduct and behaviour.

    One party caught using taxpayer monies to pay for prostitutes, and the other party has been saving us money by sexually assaulting the staff and covering it up for 2 years.

    Kids have been getting out of control by having fun at a local water park so we need 600 riot police to attend and pepper spray them and give them a taste of the truncheon. Organised criminals and outlaw motorcycle gangs also need to be dealt with so were going to stop them being allowed to send text messages to each other. That’s got them shaking in their boots huh?

    I can’t help but wonder if those in charge are possibly taking a little more of the ‘good stuff’ than is actually healthy for them, and by proxy us. Still, with a bit of tweaking of our new Euthanasia Laws it shouldn’t be a problem, because anyone who has been subjected to mental health services KNOWS what they mean by ‘voluntary’ assisted dying.

    Good work Sarah.

  • We had a situation here where a number of “patients”had their necks broken during restraints. I got the impression it was one of the thugs they call nurses who was practicing what he had been learning in Martial Arts classes. The report into these deaths is where I got my “unintended negative outcomes” from. The Chief Psychiatrist not wanting to give any hint of people being killed in his hospitals needs to call a spade a shovel. Noooo these priests weren’t raping children, it was a “character flaw”. The language is important, and like our recent discusiion regarding Euthanasia of our old folk clogging up our care facilities and winging about being abused, we can’t have our media calling it Euthanasia, call it Voluntary Assisted Dying. People like words like Voluntary. Ask any involuntary “patient” about what that actually means.

    I did meet a guy who had asked his Doc to change his ‘medications’ but was denied, so he went to a local shooting complex, hired a pistol and put it in his mouth and pulled the trigger three times (it misfired the first two). He blew away half his jaw and finally got the doc to change his ‘medication’. I got the impression that the Doc was causing this guy some significant pain deliberately once I found out what he was being ‘treated’ for. But ya can’t prove it and thats how these guys are getting away with these human rights abuses. The “effect” you speak of Steve?

    Mind you I don’t know that I accept the idea of these ‘powerful’ people who are unaccountable. See for example Fight Club. With our new Euthanasia Laws coming into effect, Doc might want to ensure they have no enemies if they ever require treatment for anything. Once rendered non compus mentis they may find their guardians volunterering them for a little more than they expected. Because we do have the power to ‘coerce’ folk now with mock executions and threats of pack rape.

    My Government said “Sorry” to the Indigenous people of this land, and then continues to subject them to the most vile human rights abuses I’ve seen. The ‘test’ lies in what you do to correct your error. If your intent was not to harm then you correct yourself and attempt to make amends. If the word Sorry means nothing, you correct yourself and do nothing. Ive a really good example here from our Chief Psychiatrist, who acknowledges his “error” and then does nothing to correct it. Or so it would seem. Maybe it does take 30 years to stop child raping priests, or abusive organised criminals using their positions in the Mental Health system to torture maim and kill people by changing their status from “citizen” to “mental patient”. Imagine being able to call police and ask them to deliver people to your hospital for ‘treatment’ by simply lying and calling someone a “patient”? Got to be opprtunites to make some significant money doing a few knocks in the ED for criminals there?
    “It never happened” I heard from a rather frightened psychologist whose family was being threatened by police. “Not in the public interest” I heard from a rather frightened lawyer who was prepared to take money from a nutjob, but ran when it turned out the nutjob was speaking the truth. “I thought you were mad, but you’ve got the proof” Yes thats right, I was tortured and kidnapped and when I complained they attempted to kill me in an ED. And let me tell you, they do not want to say Sorry. In fact the Operations Manager told me that if I kept complaining they would “fuking destroy me”. And as she was speaking as a represenatitive of my State???? I hope to obtain asylum from these vicious bastards at some point. And of course my State needs to be seen as doing the right thing now they’re crimes have been exposed. “Bad apple”, “isolated incident” except they went and took a peek and found ….. See the t”Targeted Review of Emergency Dept admissions” from the Office of the Chief Psychiatrist. Not a lot of unintentional negative outcomes but enough to have cause for concern.

  • What ever happened to “little Albert”?

    Did he find himself in the office of a psychotherapist at the age of 30 having his fear and anxiety about “furry animals” being diagnosed as issues related to his Oedipus Complex? The anxiety the patient feels regarding the furry animals appears to be related to anxiety caused by transferance of his fears about touching his mothers pussy. Fist full of drugs and years of psychotherapy and it may be resolved?

    See it was caused by his mother.

  • A few belts of electricity to the head seems to be working where I live. It wasn’t until the government passed the new Mental Health Act that doctors could feel safe forcing the teens into ‘treatment’ and not needing to get their parents consent. But now, as per an article by Dr Niall Mclaren on this site, we have increased the ECT rate by a whopping 194%.

    Now the word on the street (and on the TV by Drs such as Pat McGorry) is that ‘treatments’ such as Fish Oil once a day seem to be effective, so could you pass laws that will allow us to get these kids into ‘treatment’ asap. What they don’t seem to mention is that it isn’t fish oil they’re giving, but a dose of brutality dressed up as medicine. And I guess as word gets around these kiddies might think twice before posting anything on Facebook about how they’re really feeling about their lives.

    I’m sure these docs mean well, and I guess that the huge profits associated with ECT (see Dr McLarens article) are simply coincidental.

    Must admit these guys are good at exploiting the fears of parents. I think back to the ‘mental health professional’ who stated openly on TV that whilst the mental health system was good for others, don’t come near her child.

  • Interesting that after I was snatched from my bed and tortured for 7 hours that a psychiatrist said there was nothing wrong with me and released me back into the care of people who had conspired to poison me with benzodiazepines, and then plant items on me for police to find. I would have thought that a psychiatrist would have had the insight to realise that this type of conduct might result in harm to my person?

    A lot like the panel beater encouraging drink driving really, they’re going to get the business in the end.

    And really, where do these people get off encouraging the spiking of citizens when our politicians claim that the practice is “abhorrent and extremely dangerous”? We’ll except where it is being done by bus drivers to make it easy for citizens to be subjected to known torture methods. The “acquiescence” of public officers in these circumstances constituting a breach of the Convention against the use of Torture. Fortunately my State is renegging on their duty to train public officers who are involved in the incarceration of citizens in their duty under the Convention. Hence the high level of human and civil rights abuses oçcuring in Australia, and then need to silence our media with threats and intimidation.

  • Yes Will, the truth is disturbing, but it is the truth. Concealing truth with falsehoods is a short term gain, for a long term pain. Not too far from covering abuse and trauma with drugs that are disguised as medications. Sure it works short term but …….

    Their evil deeds will be made attractive to them so that they believe that what they are doing is good.

  • One of my favorites, to which I would add

    I am the captain of my pain
    Tis the bit, the bridle,
    The trashing cane
    The stirrup, the harness
    The whipping mane
    The pickled eye
    The shrinking brain
    O brother, buy me one more drink
    I’ll explain the nature of my pain
    Yes, let me tell you once again
    I am the captain of my pain

    Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds

  • Personally I think it is important to take this matter one step further, that is what happens when the victim of a scam finds out they were scammed?

    Best I ever read on the topic was “On Cooling the Mark Out” by Erving Goffman. Brief article but one that explains what is done by those who scam when they are caught out scamming. In the case of ‘psychiatry’ (and I use this term loosely because the medical people involved try not to get too involved in criminal conduct beyond a little negligence resulting in deaths) I have been informed that making legitimate complaints about their disgusting conduct will result in you (and you family) being fuking destroyed.

    So it’s all well and good to point out how to spot a scam, but no good when the authorities charged with enforcing the rules tell you that they don’t know what the rules are. For example my complaint to police results in them telling me they don’t have a copy of the criminal code whilst the doctor concerned arranges an unintended negative outcome in an Emergency Department.

    Goffmans article is quite instructive in this manner, what would the scammers do if they found out their ‘Mark’ was going to the police? First try to ‘cool them out’ and then if that doesn’t work well……… best we get it done before the stupid police actually figure this out. They will of course help out organised criminals as long as they keep maintaining the lie of the citizen being a “patient” but that fact runs out with proof that your not. Still, the State is giving them the power to distribute fraudulent documents to lawyers, and that tends to bury the paperwork with the unintended negative outcome in the Corroners Courts.

    Respect for the Law? The Chief Psychiatrist and our Minister don’t even recognise the laws that they are responsible for. And I have that in writing.

  • These people seem to struggle with burdens of proof. For example it has been claimed that it is my burden to prove that I was no ones “patient” before the authorities will act on the fact that I was kidnapped and tortured. This requires me to contact every doctor in the country so that they can confirm that i’m not their patient.

    I would have thought it was their burden to prove I was a “patient” before having police snatch me from my bed and lock me in a cage and force drugs and other objects down my throat without express consent. Apparently not, and believe me don’t dare complain about it if they do it to you or yours. And well, when they find out your not a “patient” they just put together a set of fraudulent documents that make it look like you were a “patient” for ten years, send them to lawyers and call it “editing”. My preferred term is fraud but police can’t find there copy of the Criminal Code so I assume their negligence is appreciated by these organised criminals operating in our hospitals. Having a little trouble defining what are and are not crimes. Seems to be related to the colour of ones skin and who you know not what.

    Similarly our Chief Psychiatrist tells us that the legal burden of proof to lock someone up and force drug them has been changed from “suspect on reasonable grounds that the person be made an involuntary patient” to “suspect on grounds they believe that the person requires examination by a psychiatrist”. Two very different scenarios and well, I had no idea he had the power to rewrite the law without approval of parliament.

    Looks like if he says he can treat a metaphor Steve you better agree, coz otherwise they move in on you family, and as I’ve been told will “fuking destroy you”.

    That’s real power.

    P.S. I agree with Barliman regarding the Chief Psychiatrists being the lackys for their political Masters. It seems on the evidence I have at hand that the ‘poison pen’ letter signed by the Chief Psychiatrist making him appear to be an incompetent defective might not have been written by him at all, but by a lawyer at the Mental Health Law Centre who was committing a number of serious criminal offences (pervert, fraud etc) at the instructions of the Minister. They just happened to make the C.P. look like an absolute idiot in the process by assuming they had retrieved the real set of documents before distributing the fraudulent ones. Not that anything will be done to assist those who have been the targets of these criminals, bit too much work and they still haven’t figured how to raise the dead let alone figure out a definition of what is mind.

  • “With sufficient trauma—such as various forms of brainwashing, torture, and unrelenting abuse—extreme madness can probably be brought out in almost anyone.”

    A truth that is being exploited by the hospital staff at one hospital that I can name. When they don’t like the truth, they subject you (and your family) to some of the most vile abuses I’ve ever witnessed. “We’ll fuking destroy you” I was told by the Operations Manager for my complaint regarding the ‘spiking’ of me and the use of a known torture method to enable me to be ‘verballed’. And they have the full support of the Chief Psychiatrist and the Minister for Mental Health.

    Yes I can now be slandered as being ‘mad’, but that wasn’t always the case. In fact it only really started the day that I was tortured and kidnapped (it would be ‘referral’ and ‘detention’ had I been a “patient”, hence the need for fraudulent documents and negligent lawyers) by a State Government that is concealing their human and civil rights abuses with negligence, fraud and slander disguised as medicine.

    The State knows no love, the State knows one thing, that no matter what they are always right, despite the harm inflicted on their own citizens.

  • “Could it be possible that the medications are actually making the problem much worse by making it extremely difficult to withdraw? Are the chemicals altering the brain structure in a harmful way?”

    A lot of money to be made by someone who recognises this fact and the methods being used to conceal these facts from the general public. Especially when you also recognise the human and civil rights abuses being enabled by various governments around the world. Organised criminals running rampant in our hospital system and authorities unable to act because of the loopholes in our laws.

    The use of “chemical restraints” with no National Standards allowing doctors to create and addiction/withdrawl issue, and then the forced ‘medication’ of victims when they complain about the withdrawl symptoms. Something that the local drug dealer would love to be able to do, but would be concerned about the legal ramifications of. Not something a doctor who can simply call police and request their ‘patient’ (who they have never actually met) be delivered to the Emergency Dept for an ‘unintended negative outcome’ needs to be worried about in my State. RIP to the unnamed victims of this negligence by our authorities.

    No doubt Will that when one recognises what is really occuring it can be a shock, just be careful that this shock is not one being applied to the insides of your head for speaking the truth.

  • Never ask a question unless you know what the answer is.

    I got asked about relationships and family history by a ‘professional’, trouble was it didn’t suit the false narrative he was fabricating in his documents. He needed me to be the violent one and the family who had threatened me, attempted to plunge a knife into my chest whilst I was laying on a couch, and then drugged me with benzos without my knowledge to enable a weapon to be planted on me for police to provide a referral for this ‘professional’.
    So he ‘verballed’ it up. He “observed” me having thoughts of harming others (which funnily enough happened three weeks before he used police to jump me in my bed after I had collapsed from the spiking). He “observed” that I refused to answer re substance abuse, which is funny really coz he knew I had been spiked with benzos and I didn’t. Still, i’m sure he knew that by slandering me as a wife beater I would be treated very differently than if he had told the truth on his sworn statutory declaration.

    Verbal abuse, is that what is done by these ‘mental health professionals’ when they slander your character and produce fraudulent documents making false claims about illnesses that don’t exist? Certainly the use of ‘verballing’ is an abusive and known corrupt practice that has a significant effect in cases of wrongful convictions. But it is viewed by some who like to disregard the law as being a “noble” form of corruption. Until they become the victims of it of course.

    Plenty of folk round here know all about verbal abuse, though some like to think of it as ‘medicine’.

  • “The “Mental Health” corruption has got to go higher than doctors and drug companies!”

    A quick look at the ‘shareholders’ and which of them is in a position to influence outcomes of investigations might give a clue. Authorities with a duty to act commiting acts of strategic negligence to ensure that no action is taken (which in my country is done to ensure that people know nothing will be done so they stop trying) Because it would seem someone has been ensuring this house of cards is kept standing despite knowing that the frauds have been at work and that people are being harmed as a result.

    Good work Peter.

  • True Kindredspirit.

    Issue 1, I have seen absolutely no one ever charged with any offence related to being present when someone has committed suicide. Not saying it hasn’t happened but it might be like the law relating to the abuse of patients, half the penalties of abuse of animals and no cases ever been through the courts. People who abuse animals however may suffer consequences and have regularly appeared in the news being taken to court.

    Issue 2.As the above link shows doctors do assist patients to die, and it is highly unlikely that they will ever be charged with any offence. In fact I think the last doctor to be charged with any related offence was Harold Shipman, and he killed quite a few before any questions were even asked. I heard that it was a joke among the villagers what he was doing and the only people who didn’t know were the authorities.
    If the issue is unsuccessful attempts the those that fail seem to me to be being subjected to involuntary psychiatric ‘care’ which is basically a death sentence anyway. I’ve sat with patients and heard the discussions of what does and does not work. Would changing the law to allow access to this information change anything? We would never know given the current state of our laws because they have made sure that no data is to be collected.
    Why would they want to keep such data hidden? I’m afraid one would have to ask our politicians and of course getting a straight answer from them is virtually impossible in these times of corruption. Its an issue of National Security i’m sure.

    I made comment in another article about Zimbardo and his Lucifer Effect. Its quite easy to see how these types of laws introduced for all the ‘right’ reasons can later be tweaked and used for purposes they are unfit for in much the same way as the National Socialists did in Germany. I’m sure we would recognise if we were heading off down that path though, like his ‘prison guards’ recognised that they were transforming into brutal bastards in a very short period of time? Who remembers the reason for the introduction of Mental Health Acts? Such good intentions and here we are 2020 and MiA has come into being as a result of the disasterous consequences of those Acts. “Your human rights will be protected” and then they use that very legislation to abuse the human and civil rights of citizens and claim unintended consequenes. Coincidence that we made huge profits from our shares in the drug companies, and if you keep complaining we’ll call you mentally ill and have you treated.

  • “What’s to prevent shrinks from involuntarily euthanizing the “SMI”?”.

    The fact that the law would require that it appears to be voluntary? Good news for doctors is that there are “added protections” in the new Mental Health Act our Minister tells us. What she didn’t say was that those protections only protect doctors from being sued for such treatments as ECT on teenagers. Sounds good in theory, I mean who in the community doesn’t want “added protections”?

    There are doctors assisting “patients” to die all over the State every day.

    https://thewest.com.au/news/health/perth-pro-euthanasia-dr-alida-lancee-cleared-of-wrongdoing-by-medical-board-ng-b88908204z

    As the above case shows the authorities will not only look the other way but will actively subvert investigations to ensure the law is perverted. In my own instance where the necessary arrangemnets were made to murder me in an Emergency Dept police will actively assist doctors by doing deliveries of the people they want to euthanaze. Doctor rings police and says go get this “mental patient” for me and they will do deliveries like its a pizza bar service. Arrange an accident with some morphine and once again the matter is diverted from police and the death is listed as caused by morphine from an unknown source.

    The thing is with regards the above case of Lancee she made all this noise, walked in to a police station and admitted killing a “patient”, provided them with the murder weapon and showed them where the body is and still they can’t do anything. “Not in the public interest” is what I was told by a lawyer. The Head of the AMA stated on the front of the newspaper that it was a matter that required a “sophisticated knowledge of the law” and Dr Lancee could call him to have the matter explained if she needed to be instructed in how to extinguish a “patient”. Can’t be too sophisticated a knowledge if a mug like me can figure out how organised crims have been knocking folk in our Emergency Depts. Coz believe me theres nothing sophisticated about me lol. Still, with me being slandered these folk have gone on for some time now without being noticed, and even when they did notice it’s “not in the public interest” to know that our hospitals are being infiltrated by crims and being used as their own personal slaughterhouse.
    Maybe the Euthansasia laws will give some sort of method to restrict these convenience killings that are being done? At least limit them to “patients”who are seen to be dying within 6 months? Though with the levels of fraud in our system that protection will be easily overcome.

    And then there’s our Chief Psychiatrist whose “expert legal advice” doesn’t extend to a knowledge of what a burden of proof is. That’s a major problem for the public that no one seems to want to recognise. Anyone want to look at his letter of response regarding my torture and kidnapping? More not in the public interest to know he wouldn’t pass a first year law or psychology course? Maybe he was just pulling my leg with a bit of gaslighting after becoming aware I had been subjected to 7 hours of torture and kidnapped by one of his Authorised Mental Health Practitioners? Who he claims can time travel and read minds by the way. Not that it would be considered refoulment of a victim of human rights abuses though, because they get to report on themselves, or so I’m told. All as a result of there being no effective mechanism for complaints regarding the use of known torture methods, despite this being a further breach of the Convention. Perhaps dealing with “patients” who have no human rights has lead to a false belief that no one has any human rights? Especially when citizens can be tortured and then made ointo mental patients post hoc to conceal the human rights abuses.

    I have a set of fraudulent documents authorised by a Clinical Director of a major hospital that were sent to my lawyers that made a citizen who was tortured and kidnapped into a “mental patient” who had been at their hospital for more than 10 years. That’s real power when you can make anything you want to be true into a reality that no one will question. Because the public are so afraid of their own government they will allow them to do these cover ups and pray that it’s not them who is next.

    Oh how I wish it were the case that the lunatics had taken over the asylum, but i’m afraid it’s much worse than you ever imagined. Noah said “expect rain” and they called him a madman.

    Billy Connelly once said that Parliamnet is a place were good ideas go in and stupidity emerges at the other side. Pit Bull Terriers killing children, lets castrate them, no lets kill them, no lets castrate them then kill them, and what came out of the debate? The tattooed F%^kwits who own these dogs will have to get a permit from the post office costing 5 pounds. That’ll have them shaking in their boots
    lol. Dont expect anything good to emerge from any debate about Euthanasia. Our legislation has been rushed through in record time and ensuring that the public don’t get to vote on it. Rushed legislation is bad legislation.

  • After personally witnessing how the protections of the Mental Health Act are being ignored by the authorities in my State, I do not believe that any legislation to deal with Euthanasia could be effective, if not be down right abused.

    Jim Gottstein stated in another articles comments that rights without remedies are possibly more dangerous than no rights at all (or something to that effect). Providing another loophole with regards doctors legally killing people? Really?

    Of all the people I know I would have thought those who had been subjected to psychiatric ‘care’ would understand how the issue of consent is dealt with by doctors. You don’t actually have those rights when you need them most. Writing laws to give the appearance of protections could be disasterous.

    And is it not the case that Mr Dolinsky has shown that it is possible to die with dignity without the involvement of money grubbing corrupt politicians who would be more concerned about the profit that could be made from the sale of Nebutal etc?

    Careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.

    Thou shalt not kill [except when doctor is late for tee time at the Country Club] What sort of excuses will be forthcoming for the perversion of the original doctrine? And how easily could this be ‘amended’ to be used as a weapon against certain ‘classes’ of individuals? Oh I don’t know, lets say the Mentally Ill for example?

    There was a reason our newspapers (media) were told not to use the term Euthanasia because of the negative associations with the National Socialists in Germany. People might notice the Bill was simply translated from the document put to the Reichstag.

    Its simply not the case that you don’t have the right to die with dignity. This might not be recognised by your government, but hey they passed laws allowing human rights abuses disguised as medicine so……

  • Zimbardos Lucifer Effect

    “moral transformation as an outcome of the interplay between individual disposition, situation, and systems of power.”

    No doubt this was deliberately manipulated in the case of Abu Ghraib, and i’d suggest also in the ‘introduction’ of staff to the locked wards where one needs to have the stomach for the work that is involved.

  • I noticed the “shuffling of the cards” when I was ‘verballed’ by a Community Nurse
    Chemicals
    Substances
    Drugs
    Medications
    When he wanted to slander me I “refused to answer re substance abuse” and yet this guy knew I had been ‘spiked’ with benzodiazepines without my knowledge? In that case I had been covertly provided with medication (someone elses drugs) which would be criminal if he had reported it to police, but he instead decided to conceal evidence of a criminal offence and pervert the course of justice. (The ‘spiking’ was documented in his own handwriting, so he knew) The “chemical restraint” that he arranged for me in the locked ward of the hospital consisted of Benzos, and two anti psychotics (Olanazapine and Qetiapine) in volumes that would lay an elephant out for a week. A ‘friendly’ doctor authorised this for him on a Form and all he needed to do from that point was ‘bait’ me and have me restrained and injected. This would of course ensure no one found out about me being ‘spiked’ to make the interrogation of me a little easier. The term drugs was used also as a slander of my character rather than the correct term for the drugs I was spiked with.

    This Community Nurse was also aware that I had already refused to speak to one of his fellow mental health workers. How was he to get me to talk? My State is allowing him to covertly administer benzos to citizens (despite the fact he has no prescribing rights) and then lie to police and tell them citizens are his “mental patients” so they can brutalize them ready for interrogation by him. That usually gets them talking.

    Imagine the power of being able to damage and harm folk who are the victims of crimes? And let me testify to the fact that they will stop at nothing to ensure no one finds out, including killing folk.

    I’ve even asked staff at pharmacies about the distinction between drugs and medications and even they can not usually provide an accurate answer. Why is this?

    One of my questions regarding the “spiking’ with benzodiazepines was why is it classed as a “stupefying/Intoxicating drug” under our Criminal Code and yet distributed as a “medication” by doctors/Community Nurses. What causes that change to occur? This is a particularly significant point to people who do not wish to consume stupefying intoxicating substances for religious reasons (eg they are Haram) Though it may not matter if they are being administered covertly by State public officers to make interrogations a little easier to obtain information (along with some dubious ‘coercive methods’ eg mock executions). Will Muslims who are being restrained and having bottles of alcohol and pork shoved down their throats and calling it medicine be held to account by Allah for breaching the prohibition? I think not.

    And further, why can a Community Nurse act in the same manner as a night club rapist and yet he receives support from the State (Police and other authorities)? A lawyer says “proof” police say “insufficient evidence” after refusing to take the documents?

  • “Before I go further here, however, I need to deal with a sensitive issue. In the process of writing this piece, I became acutely aware of an unpleasant social fact. In reality, all stress isn’t equal. Moreover, some stressors aren’t “normal.” Painfully, there are social misuses and abuses of power that create life-threatening levels of trauma for far too many of us in the modern world. The next piece in this series will address these “unnatural” stressors. Discussed there will be the devastating kinds of social dynamics where someone puts their thumb on the scale in massively predatory ways. It is there, perhaps above all else, that absent active intervention by others of conscience, the rational instinct to suicide becomes abundantly, tragically clear.”

    I am enjoying what you have written so far Sarah, and look forward to what you have written above about your next piece. I think back over what was done to me my the “predatory” Operations Manager at the hospital that allowed their Community Nurse to torture and kidnap me (call it something else if you like but the truth is thats exactly what it was, and hence the reason for pushing me to attempt suicide. The false claim that they can make me into a “patient” after the fact and they are no longer crimes just doesn’t work, so next stop an ‘unintended negative outcome’ or more commonly known in the criminal world as a ‘hotshot’). The ‘cover up’ involving the distribution of fraudulent documents and attempting to have me murdered in an Emergency Dept before police noticed that they had been ‘duped’ into assisting with a kidnapping and torture only being foiled by the active intervention of my wifes best friends husband who “doesn’t have the stomach” for convenience killings by young impressionable doctors. Best he is put in someones pocket for later use and promoted to the head of the Doctors Union rather than doing prison time with other killers.

    The really poor cover up has left me rather stressed though, and I wonder now if it isn’t best that my government does simply kill anyone they torture because my life really hasn’t been worth living since the day I was ‘spiked’ with benzos and kidnapped by organised criminals from a hospital who have figured out if they lie to police and say someone is a “mental patient” police will treat them rather badly and assist with their crimes. Given that they are ignoring the Convention against the use of Torture, why not refoul and murder anyone who complains about being tortured and has the proof? Try making a complaint to police when your a “mental patient” and your self appointed doctor (who you have never met) gets asked if your allowed to make complaint, not dissimilar to police asking the rapist if your allowed to make complaint about being raped,. I’m not a fan of predetermined outcomes and preferential negligence.

    And still I receive letters from Federal Members of Parliament misdirecting my ‘complaint’ to bodies they know will be ineffective in dealing with what are criminal offences. Is it any wonder these child abusers within the Church got away with their crimes for 30 – 40 years? This practice of misdirecting criminal matters is disgraceful, though I assume the M.P. who is doing this isn’t loosing any sleep over the matter, and he gets to see his family unlike me who hasn’t seen my daughter or grandchildren for 8 years as a result of the need t cover up torture and kidnapping authorised by the State (Chief Psychiatrist/Minister for Mental Health) Documents available if you wish to view the proof. Or take the word of known slanderers and frauds and ignore everything i’m saying because they will “do” your families too, or so I’ve been told by one witness who dared to listen to me (a psychologist no less).

    Imagine his position being asked by Police to find out “who else has got the documents” and knowing why they wanted them back, and what had been done to me in attempting to cover up the torture and kidnapping. He stated he couldn’t see me anymore because he was afraid for his family. Similar situation for the Social Worker who came to police with me and the documents they thought they had retrieved and observed me being threatened with arrest for having the proof I had been ‘spiked’ with benzodiazepines before 7 hours of interrogation. Big tough man who claimed to be fighting for the rights of the Mentally Ill wets his pants and runs away. Glad I wasn’t in the trenches with this coward fighting for the rights being written away by the Chief Psychiatrist with a pen. Paid for in blood, lost as a result of negligence. Rights without remedy.

  • Don’t know about Blueler streetphotobeing but regards sterilization its worth considering FASD (Foetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder) facial recognition software and the attempt by the Western Australian Government to pass a Mental Health Act allowing the forced sterilization of children without parental consent. More “it’s for their own good” being done to the Aboriginal people of this country.
    And I thank those people who acted to stop this being passed before they ‘slipped one past’ the public who were being ill informed by our media.

  • “When that happens, psychotherapy becomes a dangerous and harmful endeavor, creating insidious and life-derailing post traumatic stress from feelings of betrayal and utter powerlessness”

    I like what you’ve written here Alex. But I got to this point and thought about what was done to me and realised that it’s not “psychotherapy” that becomes dangerous, but the “psychotherapist”. All of the information I had provided to a “therapist” (if you chose to call an abuser that) was used against me.
    Create trauma via the needle phobia Boans has to justify restraint and injection with chemical restraints.
    Use his wife to damage his cause of action against the Clinic by interferring with his documents and allowing access to his computer/emails/communications with lawyers.
    Destroy all of his relationships with family/friends via the slander of “mental patient” and releasing confidential information……. and on it goes.
    This wasn’t the reified “psychotherapy” but the vicious evil minded “psychotherapist” whose paranoid delusions regarding some non existent accountability running rampant.

    The authorities don’t give a s&%t what she does to “patients” and I have the proof of this. And of course “patient” is anyone she says is her “patient” and thus allows the arbitrary detention of any citizen in the State, confirmed as lawful by our Chief Psychiatrist and Minister in writing. No observation, no standards to be met, no burden, just a phone call to Mental Health Services and police will pick the victim up for her and deliver them to whatever facility she would like. And then of course we are looking at what is considered ‘treatment’, because these guys really don’t seem to be having a lot of success when you objectively examine the folk who have been ‘treated’. Unless of course one considers damaging peoples brains, or stopping their heartbeat as the intended outcome, then they are highly successful.

    Like the guy who was handed back by police to Jeffrey Dahmer, any complaints will result in you being handed back to your abuser for ‘forced treatment’.

    And of course with a husband who is a psychiatrist to clean up the mess she was leaving in the lives of others, they could actually profit from the damage they were doing.

    I guess my argument is guns don’t kill, psychotherapists with guns kill lol.

  • “Being a realist, I think it is extremely unlikely that Oregon or any other state will have the courage to adopt the proposed revisions”

    Me Too Robert. I can’t imagine that these people who were trained in the Harvey Weinstien School of “never take no for an answer” will want to see any changes made.

    I mean in my country if it is known you will refuse to take stupefying/intoxicating drugs they simply ‘spike’ you with them, and then slander you as paranoid if you should make any complaints about it. Fraudulent documents are distributed to lawyers and you will be “fuking destroyed” (is how the Operations Manager of the hospital put it). Its amazing how much damage can be done by someone in a position of trust when they make a decision to destroy members of the public to protect their non existent reputation. Terrorism i’ve heard this practice called. Coercion is the preferred term for the terrorist.

    The Health Practitioners Regulation Agency has no problem with Community Nurses with no prescribing rights using these ‘spiking’ methods as a means to an end and will use negligence (with plausible deniability) to ensure that nothing is done regarding such criminal actions. The old adage has been stretched here too, if a ‘medical person’ does it, it must be medicine. And how fortunate for these criminals that police can’t find their copy of the Criminal Code and will leave them to tidy up their little problems in the Emergency Departments. (Anti Psychotics/Benzos [chemical restraint] + Morphine from an unknown source [anonymous pain patient] = “nothing to see here” from the Coroner).

    Informed consent guidelines aren’t even considered a joke by doctors in my country, they have carte blanche and zero accountabilty to do whatever they choose and any complaints will be snuffed out via a corrupted complaints process. In some cases quite literally, though they prefer the term unintended negative outcomes to convenience killings.

    Who would have thought how broadly the term “emergency” could be stretched. All the way to someone saying the word “no” it would seem.

  • “In 20 years of work with victims of war, violence and political persecution I have never seen a group of democratic States ganging up to deliberately isolate, demonise and abuse a single individual for such a long time and with so little regard for human dignity and the rule of law,” Melzer [Special Rapportuer on the use of Torture] said. “The collective persecution of Julian Assange must end here and now!”

    From this article

    https://ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=24665&LangID=E

    Good to know our Foreign Minister is assisting Mr Assange to ensure all Australian Citizens are protected and receive their human and civil rights wherever in the world they are. Well not quite but i’m sure she is doing her best. Well I’m not sure if Mr Metzer includes Mr Assanges own government in the gang of bullies who are torturing him.

    And after being told by our police that it is a crime to have documented proof that you have been subjected to torture by the State, I can understand the predicament he may find himself in. Is it any wonder that the use of torture by my government is not being brought to the attention of the public? Given this sort of treatment of journalists?

    #freeJulianwho?

  • Speaking of not well enough to make decisions, has anyone heard anything about the condition of Julian Assange? I read a ticker on RT News that 100 doctors have sent a letter of complaint to the Australian Foreign Minister about his ‘treatment’, but little more. And I guess as one of the 5 eyes we are not going to complain about what one eye does to citizens of the other eyes. All these eyes and no one keeping an eye on what these eyes are doing? Might be an article in that regarding his ‘mental health’ and ability to defend himself against any charges that may be brought.

  • Seligmans work didn’t end in 1966, I think he went on to show how his theory of “learned helplessness” worked in such places as Gunatanamo Bay. Well worth examining his attribution theory and how persons subjected to mental health services are taught to be helpless, ie that their problems are caused by issues that are ‘internal, stable and global’ as opposed to ‘external, unstable and specific’. You have this illness that is biological, it will be with you forever and it will follow you wherever you go. Sound familiar? The locked wards of hospitals seem to have the same effect as the boxes with electrified floors used by Seligman on his experimental dogs.

    Can’t help but wonder if Elton might be rewriting his Candle in the Wind again.

  • “Despite many subsequent emails, no meaningful response to the concerns raised, and research evidence provided, has been received from the MHRA”

    Yeah, but read the letter you wrote, what would you expect. Now had you written something like “Please pay the bearer the sum of 100.000 clams” you would be getting responses to your emails and letters immediately. Just ask the executives at Janssen. It’s all about the way you put it to them, all that data and evidence is no good. Money talks, and enough money talks real dirty.

    Our regulatory body AHPRA tells me they have no problem with Community Nurses authorising the’spiking’ of citizens with benzodiazepines before they are subjected to interrogations even though they have no prescribing rights and ….. long story but these guys are so incompetent i’m surprised they even know where their offices are. So the idea of receiving a rational response from them seems a bit of a stretch. Their “Board’ has demonstrated a level of incompetence one wouldn’t expect from a third world country ruled by a dictator such as Ghadaffi (and we know how he was using psychiatric services to conceal his ‘indiscretions’)

  • I’m reminded of Mrs Terrain in Brazil whose “complication has had a slight complication” lol

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_-gJrmIL5BE

    The choice between the “knife man” and the “acid man” when selecting who to do your face lift can be quite crucial. Poor Mrs Terrain ended up a pile of offal in a coffin and minus a lot of money for the services of Dr Chapman. I’m sure that Terry Gillam was a closet anti psychiatrist after watching this movie lol

  • The recent passing of a Euthanasia Law, the enabling act presented by our new Mental Health Act and we have a Prime Minister passing laws with zero (and I mean not one word of) debate, the raiding of journalists homes to identify whistleblowers, and now we are being told by our PM that we should separate ourselves from the UN (and by proxy the Conventions)? We need to stand up as a Nation independent of such bodies (so lets make it illegal for anyone other than the government to report human rights abuses to the UN. How many reports of rape would there be if only rapists could report them I ask?) we are being told via our propaganda machine. But this has all been seen before. They don’t like providing human and civil rights to folk, they don’t deserve them according to our elite. So lets do the Nationalist talk and have them think we are going to behave fairly with these new powers we are affording the authorities. Detention without charge, torture, targeting peoples families who are a threat to the status quo ………

  • I think it might be a bit like the Eugenics movement in the world during the 1930s oldhead. Most coutries were dabbling in the idea, one took it to it’s logical conclusion. Australia is heading down the rabbit hole of National Socialism and will quite possibly be the model other countries will adopt, much like our version of aparthied was adopted by South Africa all those years ago. Or a more recent example of our police methods being adopted in Guantanamo Bay (see the Kennedy Royal Commission into Police Conduct). Cattleprods, bags (or buckets) over the head before beatings, waterboarding…. we were 20 years ahead of the times.

    We’re trendsetters 🙂

  • Had to rethink this because I forgot, Criminals have rights, Patients don’t. Hence why this Community Nurse (who is also a criminal) can commit his serious offences with little regard for the law. It actually protects him and dismisses the rights of those he commits his offences against. His trump card if you like. He is a criminal with rights (to not be tortured, kidnapped or unintentionally negatively outcomed), and his victims are slandered as patients without rights. Just as long as no one looks, and well given what I have been through believe me, no one looks. Police tell me they don’t even have copies of the Criminal Code in the Stations they are so badly resourced these days. And even when they do look (eg Chief Psychiatrist) they don’t like the truth, so conceal it with falsehoods. (Ie see the fraudulent documents sent to the Mental Health Law Centre). I assume they have rights when it comes to attempting to pervert the course of justice too?

    It does make an interesting study in human nature though when one actually sees what is done by those who see themselves as being above the law, and that the subjects of their ‘treatments’ are no longer seen as human. Philip Zimbardo was on to something.

  • Relapse means my wifes boyfriend is in town for the weekend and they would like the house to themselves. So ‘spike’ Boans drink with benzos, and when he collapses plant a knife on him for police to find and call mental health services to come and get him. A Community Nurse can then “loosely” apply the criteria required for incarcerating someone for the weekend (‘verbal’ a statutory declaration) and the now “mental patient” can be transported against their will to a cage where they can be taunted until they can be lawfully injected with enough tranquillizers to lay an elephant out for a week. (No National Standard as to what constitutes a “chemical restraint”. More loose definitions).

    Not such a good idea because I needed to clean up the mess from the party my wife had whilst I was locked in the cage.

    “Yet I know from working in mental health services that the term ‘relapse’ can be used in a variety of different ways, and sometimes it is applied loosely to situations in which someone has shown slight changes in symptoms or functioning, without evidence that they are experiencing a full-blown episode of psychosis”

    “Applied loosely”? From what I observed of Mental Health Services there were no standards applied (carte blanche) and zero accountablity for criminal action by public officers who are literally snatching citizens from their beds and force drugging them against their will for no other reason than someone wants it done. And imagine this Community Nurse lying to police and using them to torture and kidnap a citizen. No wonder he laughed when I said I would have something done about his criminality. Organised criminals are providing instructions to our police these days, and they are “just doing their job” lol

    The Community Nurse tells police “mental patient” and the whole mechanism of the State comes down on you with such a blow you’d be lucky to survive. Especially when the Operations Manager of the hospital investigates, uncovers the use of torture and kidnapping and then informs you they will “fuking destroy” you for complaining. They’ve got a reputation to protect, or at least in their delusional minds they have. Just don’t ask the patients, or as our Minister for Mental Health put it to Parliament regarding the large number of female patients being sexually assaulted, “you can’t listen to them, they’re mental patients”

    And why are they “mental patients”? Someone rang the hospital and said they didn’t agree with someone else so they have spiked them with benzos and planted a police referral on them so could you come and get them and change their minds please. One phone call and your status now changes from “citizen” to “mental patient” before they even leave the hospital. A little bit of torture disguised as medicine wouldn’t do any damage would it? Ask my daughter and grandchildren I haven’t seen for 8 years as a result if any damage was done.

    Still, I should be happy. Now that the Chief Psychiatrist and the Minister have confirmed in writing that arbitrary detention and the use of torture are lawful we should have no problems cleaning up the crime problems. They simply remove the protections afforded the public in the Act (no need for an amendment via Parliament either?) and neglect their duty to the public and hey presto were in a Police State. Forget the ‘soft’ tortures of Guantanamo, were going in ‘hard’ 🙂

    That was a bit silly writing to me as if the cover up had been effective. See being able to slander me as insane requires that the evidence to support what I am saying is not available. Now they have to neglect their duty because they can’t admit the truth, that they tortured and kidnapped me. What a disgraceful bunch of individuals they are, ………….. they smile to your face, …………and it’s your loved ones they claim to be caring for.

  • Always good to get a smile 🙂

    Seriously though Sam, when they were discussing our new Mental Health Act one of the issues was the age at which psychiatrists could begin ECTs on children. There were concerns in the field that someone might bring legal action against a psychiatrist for their ‘treatment’ of a child in this manner. Without going into too much detail the clause allowing the forced sterilization of children without parental consent was removed, but they did set an age limit on ECTs of 14 years old I believe.
    And I think the data above shows it’s been full steam ahead ever since. I guess we will have to wait and see if the ‘epidemic’ of teenage suicides falls as a result. Though I think that our politicians were merely attempting to look like they were doing something about the problem with knowledge that by the time the damage has been identified, they will be living in a Mansion in the South of France claiming unintended negative outcomes.

    Re the article, the whistleblow is there, but one would need a good understanding of how the fraud works to see it. Can’t imagine it would make a lot of sense to someone who doesn’t have our system where the trough is being filled only to be syphoned off by unscrupulous operators.

  • Take away the “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction” loophole being exploited by the various Mental Health Acts around the world and what have you got? Exactly what Frank describes.
    Question, how do you torture, maim and kill a citizen of your country and get away with it? Call them a “patient” and subject them to “mental health treatment”. Police will actually assist the ‘doctor’ in the process.
    Hence the reason for the statement by the UN that Australias Mental Health Laws ARE a violation of human rights, and that the treatments MAY constitute torture (because one can’t prove intent if doctor shuts his mouth about motive). Means and opportunity both present, but without doctors confession that it is being done to torture, you’ve got nothing more than a doctor patient relationship. And in psychiatry this is carte blanche to do whatever you want and call it medicine. Other fields (eg cardiology) have standards that need to be met and may result in claims should negligence be demonstrable. Not so in psychiatry, have you seen some of the ‘patients’ that they call a success? Like a panel beater who crushes a car and calls it fixed lol. At least they could call you a taxi once they get the Medicare Forms signed.

  • “From 2005-2015, private ECT in Australia increased by 87%, including an implausible 191% in West Australia”

    And here’s me thinking that the reason for the recent power cuts was a heat wave.

    “According to the [Royal Australian & New Zealand College of Psychiatrists], ECT is an essential (their word) treatment for severe, life-threatening depression. If that is the case, can they explain why the overwhelming bulk of ECT in this country is given to distressed, middleaged, middle class, white women in private hospitals?” Is it a coincidence that these are the same demographic targeted by domestic abusers? Is the ‘treatment’ originally used to get soldiers to return to the battlefield being used in much the same manner these days? Sending these middle class women back into war zones?

    Perhaps Police might do well to raid a few of these ‘clinics’ as part of their operations against domestic violence. Never know what might turn up when examining the records. 🙂

    Jock, i’m in Perth and if your ever here and would like me to shout you a cup of coffee and a piece of cake let me know. I’d be interested in talking to you about some matters that may interest you. Under no circumstances would I ever enter into a doctor – patient relationship with a psychiatrist but happy to chat as citizens of this country that is regressing into institutional corruption on a daily basis.

    The anonymous article to the Commission sounds a little too much like an unsuccessful ‘tenderer’, so I can’t see any action coming about as a result but …… we live in hope.

  • There was a case here Rachel777 where doctors managed to have a child taken from his parents so that they could use him for an experiment . The boy had a type of cancer and his parents wanted him to return home and be allowed to die. Doctor wanted to try an experimental treatment and well, I’m guessing you know how that all went in the courts.
    They actually used the Family Court because that way they could silence any reporting of what decisions were made. Some of the absolutely disgraceful decisions made in that place are fortunately not available to our public, and doctors are finding it a convenient place to keep the public in the dark.
    I’ve no doubt that the ‘mental health’ of the parents was taken into consideration, in fact I think that issue was actually made public (not that it could be considered slander).
    Bodysnatchers.

  • Psychiatry comes to the attention of the Emperors of our State.

    https://suntzudo.weebly.com/tzu-and-the-concubines.html

    (See first part describing the ‘interview’)

    It takes very little to have a population fall into line if one has the stomach for what is needed to exercise power. Funnily enough the person who interrupted the attempt to kill me in the Emergency Dept tells me he doesn’t have the stomach for these types of convenience killings. But he most certainly put someone in his pocket who does. Why would the Emperor watch when he can get someone else to do the dirty work? Nice pick up Prof.
    Psychiatrists are little more than modern day Sun Tzus’ touting their wares to the highest bidder. Need someone silenced to cover up your little indiscretions with alter boys? Who ya gunna call? Certainly not the Ghostbusters lol
    I note the lack of ‘evidence’ presented at the Royal Commission about how mental health services had been used to ‘cover up’ many of the victims testimonies. Difficult to expose that little weapon as long as it is still being used my the government for whistleblowers. One would imagine police may have cause for concern, especially given the push to have them regularly screened and placing mental health professionals in every station. Always good to have an SS officer keeping an eye on what the local constabulary is up to, lest they start thinking for themselves.
    And of course once ‘flagged’ by police for ‘treatment’ deemed worthy by the State? Is it any wonder our ex treasurer needed to flee the State when police were sent to collect him and make a referral to Mental Health Services? I think he might have been aware of how it works in reality lol

  • You don’t look crazy to me……..I have been told I am a good judge of crazy….keep up your spirits…

    That was pretty much what the psychiatrist who did my ‘assessment’ told me, minus the keep up the alcohol thing coz I don’t drink and don’t take drugs but …… Sorry we had to destroy your life by torturing and kidnapping you to get you here for me to say this to you but …… you know how the State works. Police and Mental Health professionals do whatever they want, and then we cover up with fraudulent documents, threats and intimidation. Where else other than a mental health facility would one hear an Operations Manger of a hospital threatening to “fuking destroy” someone for complaining, and being given access to police resources to actually do it? Same person looking after your loved ones.
    Still, for what its worth Micheal I don’t think you look crazy either, but I don’t have a license from the State to practice heresy.

  • The ‘trick’ (if it can be considered one) is to have legislation passed under the guise of being about “compassion” and “care” and all that nice stuff people wish they had time to feel. Then once you have the legislation passed it can be ‘tweaked’ and used for purposes that were never intended.
    I look at our current legislation (passed yesterday) for “Assisted Dying” (don’t call it Euthanasia, people will start thinking about the Nazis those wanting it passed told the newspapers). This striking similarity to “life unworthy of living” and how easily our legislation can be “amended” (the Chief Psychiatrist has written to me telling me that he has the power to amend Mental Health Act without any involvement of Parliament effectively removing ‘legal protections’ and authorising arbitrary detentions and torture [think i’m joking? Ask me to prove it. Email from the Minister confirming this]) should allow the ‘delousing’ (with some serious side effects) of anyone who is a problem to our Government. Why only last month our Treasurer was bemoaning the cost Mental Illness and Old Age was having on our economy.
    Opening up areas to make legal what would normally be criminal is something that psychiatrists are experts at. No need to look back to National Socialist Germany, take a look at Western Australia 2019. (Lets make forced sterilization of children without parental consent legal, woops the world is looking, lets not) 2021 let the killings begin.
    I am reminded of Pte Joker in Full Metal Jacket looking at those citizens ‘reeducated’ by the Viet Cong. “The dead know only one thing, it is better to be living.”
    There are no “bad apples” in my country Steve, they kill anyone who complains and thus none of their colleagues are ever held to account. Sun Tzu explained this method of terrorising citizens 2000 years ago in his demonstration to the Emperor of Wu. If you are serious about maintaining control of a population then these methods are tested and work in a highly effective manner.
    Consider, psychiatrists acting as Sun Tzu did all those years ago? Touting his wares to those who wished to maintain control of their ‘property’? The external threats created and maintained by one group, and the internal threat dealt with by another. See the Power of Nightmares and the consequences on the populations “Mental Health” and how to generate a profit from that? Politicians creating an ‘enemy’ who is coming to get us to maintain fear and thus their power, but what happens when that fear results in the rumblings within from an anxious population? Nothing any drug dealer wouldn’t know how to generate a profit from.

  • Hi JanCarol
    I support your choice on the matter. It’s the “voluntary” issue that concerns me.

    The use of coercion is an issue, but is being denied by those discussing the matter. And of course they can not at any cost draw attention to the voluntary nature of psychiatric ‘treatment’ lest they open a can of worms. Imagine the public being exposed to that debate?

    I don’t need some politician writing rules about when I can put a gun into my mouth and pull the trigger, thats a choice I make. And using legislation to give the false illusion of “protections” (see the way the Mental Health Act protections are ignored by our Chief Psychiatrist) can only be dangerous. As Jim Gottstein pointed out at one stage, rules without remedy are worse than no rules.

    It’s a choice we already have, and the few who do make a mess of it should not be used by politicians to usher in laws that they will ignore anyway.

    I also note the Victorian laws do not have provisons for collecting data on who has been snuffed. Was there a reason for this non collection of data?

  • Means, motive and opportunity.
    Means to torture are available. We know which drugs and what amounts cause psychological and physical pain. Any doubts let me get my prescription pad. Take lithium until signs of tardive dyskinesia appear then drop it back a ‘notch’. Maximum damage with minimum signs.
    Opportunity to torture comes when a distressed person enters into a doctor patient relationship. Dinner with a rapist I call it. If he is paying for dinner, your putting out. You just consented by agreeing to dinner right? And you anasognosia is getting in the way of you having a good time. Not even necessary in my State, drug em with benzos without their knowledge, and then have police jump them and provide a referral. They are consenting before you know it. Simply call them “patient” and police will do the work for you.
    Motive to torture. This is where it all gets difficult if doctor decides to keep their mouth shut about their motive to torture. You can’t prove it and minus a confession well, sorry police are going to turn you away. So doctor can sit back smug in their position and bait you while they know nothing can be done about their conduct. And the angrier you get, the more money is made by the doctor and the pharma companies :).
    It’s a win/win situation. As long as “patient” is excluded from the equation.

  • Thanks for the info Fiachra.
    In my instance I was ‘spiked’ with benzos for which I

    (A) had no prescription, and they are drugs which I would never take willingly. That was okay because the ‘mental health professional’ (a community nurse) was in a position to conspire to conceal the evidence of a criminal offense and attempt to pervert the course of justice over the matter.
    (B) any complaints regarding being ‘spiked’ with benzos without my knowledge was documented as a ‘delusion’ and could then be used to justify further forced drugging with the same drugs that were causing the symptoms they claimed were an illness.
    (C) by drrugging individuals without their knowledge with benzos and then planting a knife on the individual when they collapse one can use police resources to cause an “acute stress reaction” and then subject the individual to a form of ”’hard’ torture which is not available to interrogators in Guantanamo Bay. See the two DO NOTS associated with “acute stress reaction” and Article 1.1 of the Convention against the use of Torture.
    (D) any complaints about the use of torture (or kidnapping) bring the person under the powers of the Mental Health Act by making them into a “patient” post hoc with fraudulent documents. Watch as the ‘poison’ takes effect and they run around seeking help from a community that would rather they were dead, than face the truth that folk are being tortured. Eventually they will likely commit suicide and can be used as a call for more resources.

    Given the way the community nurse and then the staff at the hospital responded to their criminality regarding these matters I have no doubt that many people are being covertly drugged and the ‘negative consequences’ that arise from this “abhorrent and extremely dangerous conduct” are being covered up with acts of criminal fraud. Want me to prove it?

    I stand against the use of State sanctioned torture, but it would appear that many in my community support it, as long as it isn’t them being tortured it would seem.
    How wonderful for our politicians that they can authorise the use of torture and kidnapping and call it ‘healthcare’, and then allow complaints to be ‘unintentionally negatively outcomed’ in Emergency Depts if anyone should complain because this conduct is reserved for “mental patients”.

    But with a police department that doesn’t know how to spell due diligence one could hardly expect them to check if the person actually met the definition of “patient” given in the Mental Helath Act. A nurse said “patient” it must be true, and if it isn’t there’s always fraud and slander available. Works a treat.

    Imagine a tool available to a government that would allow evidence of their corruption to be ‘treated’. What would it look like? Quite possibly like a cancerous growth on a person who is in denial. No need to be going back in history, or travel to exotic places. But they do need to stop turning a blind eye.

  • I saw a guy do a ‘bunk’ while i was in hospital here, and he headed off to another State with assistance from some ‘friendlies’.

    Know your enemy, know yourself.

    So I watched the staff to see what they did about this prisoner absconding. It seems that there is a National database that is activated when this occurs and they detain and transport people back, no matter where they are in the country. And of course you are not going to be using you passport to get out, this place is an Alcatraz in that sense. But a bit like Cool Hand Luke I hope the guy is living it up in a casino somewhere rather than being force drugged in a filthy cell they call a hospital.

  • Another rinse, lather, repeat I believe JanCarol.

    Though I think a decision was made to ensure that the prawn cocktails at the meetings regarding the implementation of the recommendations came from a quality restaurant. But somewhere the recommendations got lost in the rush to the trough and nothing actually got done.
    Seriously though, these maters get talked about and nothing changes, it.s a cycle of abuse, and we will see this happening again and again until there are people being charged, convicted and imprisoned. I think then you will find people might start considering their conduct towards “patients”.
    It is the case that where I live the penalties for abuse of an animal are double what they are for abuse of a mental patient and if your a dog you have the chance that charges will be brought against the abuser, unlike the laws protecting “mental patients” which have never been used since they were passed, despite cases like the one described above. “Good faith” is like the defense of “diplomatic immunity” of the 70s in London lol. It covers a multitude of sins and most folk wouldn’t know the limitations of the legal concept and seem to accept criminal conduct as being okay because a nurse or doctor did it.

    So swept under the rug, and i’m just taking a look under the rug and letting the MiA people get an idea of what occurs in our system. Worlds Best Practice I believe its called.

  • I must admit that I wonder about the diffusion of responsibility where thse matters have been concerned. No one wants to deal with the organised criminals operating in our hospitals and they hand ball resposibility to any othe rbody they can. The Office of the Chief Psychiatrist passes to AHPRA and HaDSCO. AHPRA says its out of their brief and well fortunately the guy at HaDSCO was an ex police officer and actually knew some of the police who had been assisting these criminals. Biut of a laugh his ex colleagues handing someone over to criminals to be killed lol. He recommends going to police integrity, but they just hand ball back to ‘medical’ authorites. And in the confusion I am almost murdered in an ED and they still haven’t figured out whats going on. Too busy making it someone elses business.
    And the public are simply too afraid of our government these days given the amount of police corruption and enabaling of organised criminals in our hospitals to dare stand up and say anything. They’ll do your family.
    So the crooks are on a good wicket, and a bit like to folk who stood and watched Kitty Genovese murdered they stand and watch assuming someone else will do something about it. Anyway, i’m off to lunch lol.
    Lucky that one person recognised what they were going to do to me and was waiting in the next cubicle in the ED. Should have seen that doctors face caught in the middle of attempting to murder someone lmao. Shame you have to rely on that though because the authorities don’t give a damn and are asleep at the wheel.

  • Documents
    My legal representative writes to the Chief Psychiatrist
    “We submit that the time taken to provide access to our clients medical records was unreasonable, and prevented Mr Boans from obtaining legal advice and assistance from the Mental Health Law Centre” and “The copies of the medical records were provided to the Mental Health Law Centre in “edited form” with sections blacked out”.
    Not only were sections blacked out the documents that demonstrated that I had been subjected to torture and kidnapped were removed and other documents put in their place. It took some time to figure that out. So whilst the government has procedures in place to ensure your human rights are observed (ie provision of docs to lawyers in a timely manner) they have managed to delay me obtaining these documents for 5 years. And in the meantime distributed fraudulent documents and released confidential information to the public. How nasty do these people get.

    I’m assuming those who know the system would understand why 5 years to obtain access to your file by a lawyer might be a problem?

    I am told by a lawyer at S+G that its too late now. They won’t assist and sorry but its like with the child raping priests, we sit on our hands and deny access to legal rep while they rack up the victims. I’m sure their consciences are clean. And well, the conflict of interest regarding the legal/medico report wouldn’t have had an influence, i’m sure no favour will be sought from the Private Clinic Psychiatrist.

    Letter from the Chief Psychiatrist says he gets the impression that the documents were applied for under thew FOI Act, despite having been provided with the letters of application bolded with Application for documents under the MHA Act s. 160/1. It did however once again ensure this torturer was enabled for well, another 8 years now. I’d call that criminal negligence but police don’t have a copy of the criminal code and threaten peoples families so ……

    The problem was always with the hospital having to write to the lawyers and ask them to engage in a criminal conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. Got to be careful putting that sort of thing in writing. “Hi, we can’t give you these documents unless you swear to not tell anyone we are torturing and kidnapping cirtizens and using police resources to do it, agreed?” Especially with regards offences such as torture and kidnapping and no good faith defense. Mind you killing people who complain seems a bit rich. Or “unintended negative outcoming” as the Chief Psychiatrist prefers to call them.

  • You might think that lawyers would take up such an issue given the serious nature of not being provided with documents regarding people detained against their will and force drugged. It’s worse than being held with no charge and therefore in my opinion vital that the provisions protecting citizens rights be observed.

    I only had to wait 5 years for them to be provided, and the lawyers gave up once they received a fraudulent set from the hospital. I assume the Chief Psychiatrist has let them know in no uncertain terms that he did not want them looking at the documents demonstrating State sanctioned torture and kidnapping. And the lawyers had every reason not to tell the Emperor that he had no clothes because he rewrote the grounds for detention from “suspect on reasonable grounds that the person needs to be an involuntary patient” to “the mental health practitioner need only ‘suspect’ that the person be referred for an examination by a psychiatrist”.
    I had no idea he could rewrite the Law and remove the protections of the Mental Health Act. This effectively means arbitrary detentions are now lawful and by using the corrupt practice of ‘verballing’ anyone can be dribbling in a cell within an hour.
    Who would have thought eh? The Chief Psychiatrist has more power than our Prime Minister by being able to rewrite the law to suit his purposes and doesn’t even need to have it passed through parliament. Of course the Council of Official Visitors did take the issue up with him, and ran away with their tail between their legs. Ever had someone return emails and tell you “we didn’t read them, honest” lol
    And the business about mental health professionals being able to time travel and read minds was just bizarre. If I had the power to I’d refer him for an examination by a psychiatrist. Maybe we could ‘spike’ his drink with benzodiazepines and when he collapses plant a knife on him and then call the cops and tell them he is a “mental patient”? We then have a lawful referral and can begin his ‘treatment’. All lawful according to his letter. If it’s written down it is the truth, and anything they fail to write down (like criminal offences) is not worth his time looking at. So fraudulent statutory declarations are fine with him, they can not be questioned despite being patently “false or wreckless as to the truth”.

    Because all these mental health ‘activists’ are too scared to even take the issue up with him. Mainly because it’s obvious they are committing offences and well, you want to end up getting treated the way Ms Merten did? Because the Chief Psychiatrist is the one who will be asked to investigate it. His “expert legal advice” not even recognising a standard burden of proof.
    The Council of Official Visitors is a statutory body set up to ensure the protection of rights of persons detained involuntarily. They need to be fully aware of the protections of the Mental Health Act and have powers to enter locked wards and examine documentation without appointment. So the bizarre claims made by the Chief Psychiatrist in his letter of response to lawyers (who didn’t have the time to read it they tell me) would have been obvious. And of course this poison pen letter was designed to gaslight the victim of State sanctioned torture and kidnapping, and not for examination by people who know the law. The things you can do when you can threaten lawyers is just amazing. The world is your oyster basically.
    Still, I should have listened to the Operations Manager at the hospital. “We’ll fuking destroy you” for complaining about torture. I had no idea so many people supported it’s use.
    Contact me if you don’t.
    Where does one go when the person charged with the duty to protect you from being tortured is providing material support (see the letter) to the persons doing the torturing?

  • Nice article Jessica

    https://www.smh.com.au/healthcare/naked-drugged-and-secluded-horrific-footage-of-patients-death-at-lismore-base-hospital-20170512-gw3bec.html

    I had a friend I used to play soccer with who used to keep us entertained with his stories about his work as a psych nurse. Things like the Jewish man with the tattoo from the camps who they would ‘bum rush’ and push into the showers and make the sound of gas entering his cubicle. They would laugh as he tried to escape holding him in the cubicle until he was exhausted and collapsed. At that time I thought he was kidding, and then I got a visit from the Staff at the Ariel Castro Memorial.
    Having witnessed first hand what is done to people in these places leaves me with no doubt about the community I share with others. I agree with oldheads statement above that hospitals do not get sick, merely oppressive. And thats where my community is heading. Bit of luck I will be out of this place as soon as possible, because people who would behave in such a manner and call it ‘health care’ have got to be insane.

    Note that in the article posted above the Minister finds herself surpirised that this stuff is going on? How difficult did you say it was for you to find out this was going on? I think she might be spending a bit too much time on the $5000 lunches at tax payers expense rather than doing some spot checks on her ‘turf’. Outcome? They are going to have some $5000 lunches at tax payers expense and tut tut about how terrible it is and how underfunded these places are.

    Note that the Chief Psychiatrist is to do an investigation. I have a letter here from our Chief Psychiatrist who was provided with three letters headed in bold typeface “Application for documents under s. 160/1 of the Mental Health Act” After investigating the concerns that lawyers had about the provision of documents he writes that “I am of the impression that the documents were applied for and provided under the freedom of Information Act” Say what??? I’m glad he isn’t my doctor with that sort of incompetence. Still, it did mean that the serious breach of human rights was not identified and nothing was done about it 🙂 Anyone want to see the letter?

    Anyhow, good article.

  • Hey Francesca, you write

    “I’m not sure exactly what is the “right” emotion to exhibit when one is dragged out of the safety of one’s home for no reason by the police. My justified anger was pathologized, and I was hauled off to the seclusion room by security goons.”

    On the sworn testimony of a Community Nurse (your friendly ACT team) I was told I was to be snatched from my bed and transported against my will to a locked ward for …. wait for it, being “agitated and pacing”. Now let me say this I was surrounded at the time this “observation” was made and in no position to be pacing. I was joking with the Community Nurse until he told me I was being dragged off by police in front of my in laws so how agitated could I have been? (and he tells me in his sworn testimony that I had “potential for damage to reputation and meaningful relationships”? Does he not recognise the stink he spreads everywhere he goes? His ‘verballing’ technique means that everyone he comes across has a mental illness and is going to be hauled of for examination. A 100% record using this corrupt practice. Not to mention the damage he does to reputations and meaningful relationships). So my response to being detained is used as justification for detaining me. They teach flipping the script in Medical School? And these people are trusted? Or so they believe in their delusional state. We talk about them behind their backs and that’s gotta hurt because they know if they mention it their ill, seriously ill lmao.
    I must be honest I’m so glad to not have to be putting up with these frauds and slanderers visiting me on a regular basis. I guess it’s one way for them to make friends, because I don’t think anyone would be their friends willingly. It might explain the high rate of alcoholism among them them also. So they have the courts order them some ‘companions’ lol
    Best cure for mental health issues, stay away from mental health services.

    I note that in Australia today the Government is going to “restrict the use of chemical restraints” in aged care facilities. A recognition that they are damaging and a violation of human and civil rights maybe? Shhhh not too loud people will be looking at the interim report and using the information and claiming it might be best they are restricted in other areas too. And we don’t want the idea catching on.

  • Yes Rachel, I”ve been shocked by how many of them are Islamophobes. Which brings me back to Karadzic and his treatment of those young men. I mean our own Prime Minister said that Islam is a “death cult”, and so wasn’t Karadzic merely helping them along their way? One lead pill is all thats required and treatment is over.
    Slandering people as “mad” has been used for an awfully long time, and it is as shown by Dr Moncrieff a political act. Nothing to do with medicine, its about power. The analogy to rape is valid though avoided like the plague by these professionals. A bit like our government not wanting the association with National Socialists when they present a Euthanasia Bill that has basically been translated from German to our Parliament. (Surely ALL of their ideas couldn’t have been bad?).
    Take away the status of “patient” and what have you got? A victim of some serious criminal offences that is denied any remedy for the damage that is done to them.
    I mean consider, the Community Nurse knew I wasn’t going to consent so he arranges for me to be ‘spiked’ with a date rape drug and then has police point weapons at me to obtain my consent. Where did he learn that technique? Medical School or the football club?
    Eight years later and the Australian Health Practitioners Regulation Agency is defending his ‘treatment’ of his “patient” (shows a level of ignorance beyond imbecility. I specifically showed them why I was NOT a patient and pointed to the section of the Act but they prefer the false narrative as its then back to the donuts) and saying by not informing doctors of the spiking his duty of care was met. Nothing like diligence when investigating complaints and enuring the safety of the public huh? A Kangaroo Court in Australia, who’d have thought lol

  • “HUGS, NOT DRUGS” Trouble with the Mental Health Professionals I met is that they would interpret this in their unique way and think that it could be perverted into strangling someone in a cell and calling it a HUG. In fact, let me dig out that report into the people who had their necks snapped during restraints, the one about the unintended negative outcomes. Oh I see, Humane Undersupply of Gas for Service-users – HUGS lol.

    One of the biggest problems I see, and i’m unsure if this is the same in America, but that the Minister is immune from prosecution. Thus if they give the green light to something, for example the use of torture, then basically that immunity runs all the way down to the cleaner beating the “patient” with a broom in the seclusion area. Not a damn thing you can do about it because the immunity is seen as being part of the ‘clinical team’. Mind you the use of torture does have the clause which says there is “no superiour authority” but ineffective investigation and cover ups are just so cheap and easy to do with hot shots in EDs

  • Short answer is No.
    In fact when reading this I thought to myself Americans are fortunate that they haven’t ratified this document because it creates a false sense of security. My country has ratified the Convention against the use of Torture but despite ther being a clause requiring the setting up of a body to examine complaints, its simple ensure that you catch any complaints via making the person complaining about the torture complain to the torturer. This allows the refoulment of the victims and ensures we look like the good guys when pointing fingers at other countries doing what were doing. Witnesses threatened to silence, fraudulent documents to lawyers (who I might add were quite prepared to accept them and act as if nothing had occurred, funding from the State tends to do that) and an attempt to do some serious damage to my heartbeat were the methods employed to deal with my legitimate complaint. And now it’s been exposed they sit in silence and deny me access to legal representation while they ensure that justice is denied and obstructed.
    Still, there’s loopholes that let them do that, like the “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction” loophole in the Convention against Torture. It’s actually very easy to torture people and make it look like medicine, call them “Mental Patient” and have police pick em up and off you go, torture away and no one will look. You’ve got your “lawful sanction” and if they suffer from akathesia thats what we call a side effect right? Prove the intent. They think these folk are doctors lmao

    If I were a refugee who had been tortured in Syria, no problem my government wants to know, but its a different path for victims of our State sanctioned torture. The government for obvious reasons doesn’t provide money to investigate their own torture.That’d be silly.

    Eight years of research asking bodies such as the Human Right Commission, Australian Lawyers for Human Rights, Amnesty International etc etc about where I should go with the proof I was tortured and ……… crickets. And of course once they find out about the unintentional negative outcoming …… lets see who can run the fastest. Watch an “activist’ show their hypocrisy in a moment.

    So the long answer is also No.

    Good interview Leah, and Celia. Take a look at the suicide rate among the Aboriginal youth in my country. Appauling is the term i’d use. It would serve as a great starting point for anyone wishing to identify what factors are involved. But given they were only made into humans in the late 1960s it might be best we give it some time.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-17/indigenous-suicide-rates-at-crisis-levels-communities-say/10814874

    With regards a solution, my government is attempting to pass a Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill before Christmas. They would have to make some significant changes to the mental health system to allow thoughts of wanting to die right? No more people bashing in doors to get you the help you don’t need and which has been proven to not work?
    Coercion? Not an issue in the Mental Health system. Consent is a guaranteed outcome with anasognosia at their disposal

  • I thank Sandra to this day for pointing out to me how broad the interpretation of the term “emergency” can be in an environment where you wish to over ride a persons human and civil rights. You don’t want to take drugs willingly? That constitutes and emergency and we need to have 15 thugs pin you down and force this down your throat. You lack insight and “i’m the boss around here” lol
    But this also applies to the term “help”, i mean technically this guy, a psychiatrist was helping some people

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Karadžić

    Well, until they decided that it might not constitute help, and may even be war crimes but …. definitional issues. Ain’t war Hell?
    Seems he is suffering from a dissociative disorder these days, ie his colleagues have dissociated themselves from him. Still, tall poppy syndrome.
    Our newspapers told to not call it a Euthanasia Bill (too many negative associations with the National Socialists in Germany they tell me), it’s “Voluntary Assisted Dying” . Anyone here want to talk about the “voluntary” nature of treatment when it comes to mental health? Not a mental health issue wanting to die? Luckily the guy who is ignoring the protections of the Mental Health Act tells us he will observe the protections in his Euthanaisa Bill. And our Treasurer bemoaning the cost of care for the elderly and mentally ill. Saw a poster they could use in government offices, it just needs translating from German.

  • I mean imagine, what sort of place would allow a private clinic psychologist to arrange the torture and kidnapping of an ex client (note not a “patient”) and allow the use of police resources to achieve this end and then when a complaint is made, access to legal representation is denied whilst they arrange to have the victim unintentionally negatively outcomed.
    Seems that whilst our laws contain ‘protections’ they are easily overcome with negligence, fraud and slander. And then our Minister for Health tells us that whilst he ignores the protections in the Mental Health Act, he promises this won’t be the case with his Euthanasia Bill if they pass it for him.
    Don’t believe me about the denialof legal representation? Think I haven’t tried over 8 years to have someone look at the proof? And all I have is a long list of the most incompetent claims i’ve ever seen. My doctor authorised the ‘spiking’ but when I ask what doctor I am not allowed to be told for reasons of National Security lol. And nothing more disgraceful than Police being so under resourced they don’t even have a copy of the Criminal Code.
    A land of Sweeping Plains? I’d be real careful visiting this place if your of a mind that psychiatry shouldn’t have the powers it does, find yourself food poisoned and shipped of for ‘treatment’ before you get out of the airport. And there aint no lawyer going to help, they can threaten them to inaction with a telephone call.
    A State that is acquiescing their duty to citizens (human and civil rights) and allowing the most vile conduct to be passed off as ‘medicine’.

    Absolutely right they are not letting go of that without a fight Richard. Police have been given instructions to do what they are told by doctors and excercise their ‘discretionary’ regarding criminal conduct and well, I can’t see that ending well. But there is a War on against that sneaky mental illness which as was show in my case is there one minute and has disappeared when the drugs i’d been spiked with wore off. Luckily their attempts to have me injected with enough for an elephant failed, though I note in most cases they suceed in this endeavour. Ask the patients, oh wait, Minister says “you can’t listen to them, they’re mental patients”.

  • “Psychiatry, Big Pharma, and its related “genetic theories of original sin,” and its increasing role in society as a form of social control, has become TOO BIG AND IMPORTANT to the POWERS THAT BE, to be allowed to fail.”

    Hey Richard, good to see your still pointing out such truths. I received a letter from our current Minister fo Health stating that he was saddened that I was still upset about my detention and referral after such a long time, and that I should seek professional help. I replied and told him that the greatest difficulty had been in having folk recognise that I had not been referred and detained, but tortured and kidnapped. Making me into a “patient” post hoc via fraudulent documents and threateneing witnesses doesn’t change the truth. But where would he be without the dog whistle slandering of folk who say things he doesn’t want to be true. Seek professional help, from who? The people who tortured and kidnapped me? Yeah right. Talk about false narratives? “Cover not the truth with falsehoods”

    Problem for me has been all these folk who claim to want this to change are not prepared to take these matters on even when a win would be a forgone conclusion, precisely because of what you state. They run away from the fear of the ‘morality police’ who can snatch you from your bed and for no other reason than they want to leave you dribbling in a cell and call it medicine. Can’t say I blame them, history shows this as being how humans respond to such periods of National Socialism and Democracy (oh how I laugh after what I’ve seen the State do when I hear I live in one). The failure of folk to stand up when required is our greatest enemy I think. And enter MiA at that point.

    As far as MiA goes, great work. Can’t say I agree with everything I’ve seen here but at least the area is open for discussion, which can not be said about most places where any deviation from the mantra will be dealt with more swiftly than a gay person in Raqqa. And let’s not forget some of the purposes psychiatry has been seen as ‘fit for’.

  • News just in, a man has been repeatedly stabbed in the back and killed. Police are in attendance and it would appear to be the result of a targeted attack by the killer. We are waiting for a response from the police as to who they are seeking in connection with this crime …… oh wait, police have just had a call from a doctor and it would appear that this is now a “patient” and the stab wounds are the result of surgery. Police are now collecting the evidence and tampering with it, and intimidating anyone who saw these events unfold. If you have any information call crime stoppers on 1600 &&& &&&.

    Funny isn’t it, i’ve noticed that anything my government doesn’t want to be a crime gets throw into the “patient” basket for ‘treatment’. It’s allowing organised criminals to run rampant in our system, they are using police services to commit offences and laughing about the fact. Right under the shadow of their big noses lol
    I note the head of the AMA even stated on the front page of the newspapers that for doctors to kill required a “sophisticated knowledge of the law”. I don’t know that keep your mouth shut and the cops can do nothing is really that “sophisticated” but ….. he’s the doctor. Without a confession one can’t prove the motive. And thus the killing remains in the realm of ‘treatment’.

    https://thewest.com.au/news/health/perth-pro-euthanasia-dr-alida-lancee-cleared-of-wrongdoing-by-medical-board-ng-b88908204z

    They will even look at the wrong body if one does provide them with a confession.

  • You know someone else I often wonder about the role the abuse my wife was subjected to played in her being able to use the Mental Health System to fuking destroy me.
    The Community Nurse would have seen her milk crate full of ‘medications’ but might have assumed they were mine. She did explain to me how over a number of years she had abused a young woman from a school she worked at for ‘troubled’ young girls. Having her detained against her will on many occasions. She was well practiced at using this system to get her point of view across. The “you just have to know what to tell them” comment. The drink spiking with her benzodiazepines, not a drug I would touch willingly. And then the rather bizarre relationship with her family.
    Like I said to Dr Steingard, maybe I just have to accept that these people are receiving support and I was asking for it. Imagine living in a world were your so delusional you think you can trust others in your community? Nah,, this is about getting the knife into their backs before they do it to you.
    Pink Floyd said it best “you have to be trusted, by the people that you lie to. So that when they turn their backs on you, you’ll get the chance to put the knife in”. I wonder if that might be the knife that the Community Nurse is having planted on his “patients” before he leaves the hospital to torture and kidnap another citizen.
    Rogue elements I hear them cry, bad apples. No, they did an investigation and what they found must have made them sick to the stomach, because they have continued to cover the truth with falsehoods.
    I feel sure that they honestly believe its just a matter of forcing it into them until they realise how good it is for them.

    Oh Voltaire, oh vanity, oh imbecility eh?

    My offer has been that if they will allow me access to a lawyer I will have my share of the property returned and leave this vile place. I get it that the paranoids are concerned about the wholesale theft of public monies and are using the Mental Health system and police to ensure compliance with a totalitarian model. Its a Police State. Fine i’ll leave y’all to it and wish you luck even, but count me out when it comes to convenience killings in Emergency Departments because you complain about some corrupt public servant who is torturing “mental patients” and receiving the support of his colleagues at some run down dump of a hospital.
    Still, better to reward my wife for her silence with my property than have to use the resources of the state to pay her off. And the disgraceful lawyer who was prepared to take money off a ‘nutjob’ but runs away when it turns out the nutjob has the proof. What sort of people are these?
    A corrupt Community Nurse who lies and tells police he needs assistance with his “patients” and then uses them to kidnap citizens, then lies to his colleagues and tells then he has obtained a police referral, for pats on the head from a psychiatrist? Like some sort of Oliver Twist tale where citizens are being delivered to Ariel Castro for treats lol. It’d be funny if it weren’t true.

  • Article 1

    1. For the purposes of this Convention, the term “torture” means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

    Just in case. The “soft tortures” are the ones that involve the psychological realm and are both diffiult to prove and may or may not involve damage to the individual. So for example there wouldn’t be an 8 year old Aboriginal boy in my State that doesn’t know about the use of mock executions by police. I’ve witnessed it being done. Similarly the threats of having someone raped in the cells to have them comply is another common use of ‘soft torture’.

    However, it is when there is also an actual physical assault that we step up into the realm of ‘hard tortures’. And it has been difficult for me to have being ‘spiked’ with a date rape drug as being an “assault on my person” despite it being an offeence under the “Assault on Persons” division of the Criminal Code.

    We regularly see the police beating up mental patients to have them comply with doctors wishes,

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rUOoRiI8HVU&t=385s

    This of course is “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction” and thus not considered worthy of any attention. But in my instance the administration of benzodiazepines without knowledge occurred before I was taken into custody, and then the Community Nurse has conspired to conceal evidence of the ‘spiking’ from both police and the doctors at the hospital. He lies to police to have them attend and find the planted evidence, and then lies to his colleagues that he has a referral from police that he has had transported back to the hospital.

    This is his acquiescence, the concealment of the ‘spiking’.

    Why is it torture? The two do nots associated with acute stress reaction, do not force the person to talk, and do not administer benzodiazepines. Both are present in that he has requested police assistance to rough up his “patient” (a lie) and force them to talk, and the covert administration of benzos. One of the problems with walking so close to the line and using police to beat up patients to have them comply is it can be easy to cross the line.

    I’m assuming that iinformation such as the person has been spiked with benzodiazepines without knowledge might be information you would require when doing an assessment Dr Steingard? And this Community Nurse is concealing that information and documenting such important information as “damage to photograph” (not that it cost me 20 cents to repair but it did give me some explaining to do to the Consultant Psychiatrist)

    I’d put him down for conspiring to compound or conceal evidence of a criminal offence as well as attempt to pervert the course of justice but given that he managed to get police to assist him torturing and kidnapping is it any wonder they can’t find their copy of the criminal code?

    Still, refouling victims of torture using the services of Mental Health is easy. They are well versed in the use of gaslighting and soft tortures that often result in the death of their victims. And after a “formal investigation” I was told if I didn’t stop complaining they would fuking destroy me (not an idle threat from the very nice Operations Manager who arranged the fraudulent documents for the Law Centre. Nice touch putting the Clinical Directors name to it too Louise). Witnessed that too, though fortunately the public are so afraid they tend to turn a blind eye to what is being done in the name of medicine.

    I know the Minister telling my lawyers what they should do with the fraudulent documents they had has caused no end of problems. I mean they’re meant to be MY lawyers and here they are pretending to be the Chief Psychiatrist and writing letters to me from him telling me some of the most bizarre stuff. Mental Helath ppractitoners are time travellers and mind readers, he doesn’t even know what a burden of proof is…… made him look rather silly when Prof. Of Psychology read the rubbish they tried to ‘poison’ me with. Poison pen letters eh? From frauds pretending to be the Chief Psychiatrist no less. Where does the principle of the Mental Health Law Centre get off on covering up tortures and kidnappings for the Government?

    I would assume such things wouldn’t happen in America, least not the America I saw. Good news is that there’s been some people watching the whole time, just seeing where they will run with this. 8 years and the police still haven’t caught up lol. They’re still providing material support for the criminals. People are funny when they think they are above the law. Oh well, might find themselves being ‘referred’ for ‘treatment’.

  • I was just writing about the way that the slanderiing by these people works and realised something that should have been so obvious.

    Me being in my bed asleep after being spiked sounds like nothing at all. But if you call me “mental patient” and start writing down about the large volume of knives (in the kitchen drawer which would be in any home) and the “stockpile of heavy objects” which consisted of the items that I had around the garden such as pot plants and some old car parts, it becomes apparent that the “Mental Patient” can not live in the world with “normals”. How can I when objects of use to normals are all of a sudden a weapon due to my presence, nothing that I have done other than trigger the paranoia of the normal.
    This paranoid Community Nurse who was deliberately making me sound dangerous with his ‘verballing’ technique has made it impossible for me to live. I want to live in a house with a knife and fork to eat my dinner. I’d like to be able to have a hammer to build items with timber. But I can’t because I run the gauntlet of being detained and force drugged for trying to live like a normal person. And all because some fraud turned up at my home and decided to commit crimes s against me, and he has the support (and embarrasssment) of the police.
    “Do you have a knife?”
    “Yes, I have a drawer full of them, with forks and spoons”
    “What do you use them for?”
    “All sorts of tasks”
    “Could you use them to protect yourself?”
    “Don’t be silly, of course one could”
    On the Form used to detain me, “Has a knife for self protection”. Such quality work by the people who are caring for our community. And this guy writes that I’M a danger to self or other, and yet hides the ‘spiking’ with benzos from doctors and police?

    And he has support in his quality assured work. People who will commit further serious offences to ensure he gets to continue harming others in our community. Mind you I could certainly find uses for someone who has a method of torturing and kidnapping and not being detected by police. As i’m sure those who are covering for him have found also 🙂
    Got a little job for you Community Nurse, you still in touch with Curly and Larry down at the police station?

  • Altruistic Evil Sam.

    Your comment brought back to me the way I responded to being slandered by a Community Nurse as “mental patient”. I mean he had to lie to police in order to make his kidnapping appear lawful but ….. I was wondering why people who I had trusted before (even worked with police) were treating me the way they were. I learned something that day, what it would have been like to have someone in Nationalist Socialist Germany mark your file Juden. Nothing about me had changed, but the way people treated me changed significantly, and of course, my response began to change as a result.

    Pretty clever of the Community Nurse to figure out that if he lies to police and slanders someone as “mental patient” he can then arbitrarily detain anyone in the community. I know there is supposed to be laws protecting the public but like the ones being touted by our current Minister regarding his Euthanasia Bill, they simply ignore them. This is probably why the Community Nurse laughed when I said I’d have something done about his torture and kidnapping. He knows once labelled “patient” your off to the camps and …..bwaaaahahahahah. Its not about having protections for the public, but giving the appearance of protections for the public, ask Japanese Americans during the 1940s.

    Still I must admit I admire the guy in the end, he committed torture and kidnapping right under the noses of not one but TWO police officers. That takes some nutz. And I know he knew what he was doing, because he specifically guided me away from any conversation about a psychiatrist, and the fact I didn’t have one and was therefore not a “patient”. What if the police notice and realise what he was doing? And of course he needed to lie and request assistance with “patient” to obtain police attendance to find the stuff they planted on me after I collapsed from the ‘spiking’ with benzos.

    A country that respects a rule of Law? The police are helping organised criminals operating in our hospitals with kidnappings, torture and killings lol

    And of course they think that what they are doing is “for their own good”.

  • ‘The Hopper paper, on the other hand, is describing a program that embraces a profound shift in how we think about the problems of those who seek our help; ”

    That stings to someone who was ‘spiked’ with benzos and had a knife planted on them for police to be able to create an acute stress reaction to have them talk and be ‘verballed’ up (I assume you understand the ‘hard torture’ nature of what was done here), kidnapped and then subjected to 7 hours of interrogation. Still I guess the people who were seeking help are not to be held to account for their criminal conduct, despite the fact they have destroyed a persons life in the process. I suppose at some point I will have to accept the reasoning that I was asking for it. The short skirt, the ‘come get me’ eyes……..hey I know how we can obtain consent, spike em with benzos and have thugs hold them down while we do it. At what point did these people loose their minds and think they were able to act like rapists and claim good faith?
    .
    Not all are ‘seeking’ this supposed help Dr Stiengard.

  • Funny how history gets rewritten in Wikipedia.

    I know our Treasurer who was a bit of a character found himself in a little bit of trouble when he got really drunk and crashed into a few cars on his way home. Police went to his house and were highly likely to arrest him so he didn’t answer the door. He then fled the State and was receiving treatment for ‘bipolar’ disorder in another State, before returning and resigning his position as Transport Minister.
    Its always made me wonder why he had to get out of the State in such a hurry to receive treatment for this ‘bipolar’ disorder. Surely when police went to his home they could have done a referral and dropped him off at an Emergency Dept for ‘treatment’? Or don’t we have any doctors capable of dealing with that disorder here? Or might it be that he made an enemy of the Minister for Mental Health by sniffing her chair and grinding his hips in a sexual manner at a parliamentary party, and he knew the sort of purposes our Mental Health System was being put to? Might have found himself dribbling in a cell for some time if he had fallen into the hands of the wrong psychiatrist here.
    Still, it didn’t happen and no one asked and ……. he is receiving treatment from far away. Looks to me like these services are being used in some very creative manners. Still, I wonder if he realises that his human rights have now been removed and he is a “mental patient” forever more, or so the Chief Psychiatrist tells us. If you have ever spoken to a mental health professional, your a “patient” and can be snatched from your bed at any time the government wishes. So we all need to think back carefully about who we spoke to in school etc. Mind you, these sort of arbitrary detentions aren’t too bad, its the torture thats associated with it and the unintended negative outcomes that bother me. Not so much the general public, mainly because they’re being kept in the dark about it. News papers and media are not allowed to publish anything but “seek professional help” mantra.

  • I watch with interest the issues that certain governments are having with groups such as the yellow vests etc. Might there come a time for the storming of the Bastille again? Will our Policitcians make the mistake of telling us to eat anti psychotics?
    I wouldn’t hold out any hope for Julian Assange, he is an Australian and well, our government is a bit like the puppy that follows the big dog around yapping about how tough the big dog is. They will claim victory if he is released and do as their told otherwise. Not unlike a psychiatrist who claims victory if the “patient” becomes well, and blames the “illness” if they die from the treatment. Snowden and Manning are different, they are Americans and as such do have human and civil rights, sort of (I’m thinking of Anwar al Awlaki here).

  • You know Rachel some years back there was a young man who had smoked a bit of pot as a teen. His mom referred him to psych services and he was subjected to 20 years of forced drugging and random incarcerations at the whim of his ‘carer/loved ones’. Eventually he took a frying pan and beat his mothers head to a pulp, claiming that they had been poisoning him all these years. Someone said to me see he was mad believing they had been poisoning him. Really? Wasn’t that exactly what they had been doing to him? I got the feeling that his sister might have wanted her inheritance a little early and might have been gaslighting him a little to speed the process along a bit ( the Devil in his ear, see for example The Young Poisoners Handbook) but, she presented her boohoo story to the media and called for more mental health services so paid her dues. Someone made dangerous with the drugs is used as a reason to make people dangerous with the drugs. Excellent use of the resources available though, worthy of the best of the psychopaths.
    But you know what they say, where there’s a will, there’s relatives.

  • Funny you should say that Sam Ruck. One of the things that haunts me to this day is me saying the words to my wife “Do not speak to that woman (a psychologist), she is trouble” before she attended a meeting with said psychologist and was told to spike my drink, plant a knife on me and call Mental Health Services. I’m sure she understands what I meant now that she has been through what we have both been subjected to. I feel certain that she understands what conspiring to commit an indictable offence namely kidnapping is, and what it means to pervert the course of justice. Oh to have friends that would overlook such serious criminal matters for one.
    Eight years on and I’m still having to deal with corrupt police lying to my face. One point though is they are doing themselves no end of reputational damage, as they are having to follow up on their corruption with intimidation and threats to other members of the public. Not that they seem to care their mock executions and threats of pack rape seem to obtain the desired results, for now at least. Though I do note they have been given kill orders with the mentally ill who are probably aware that they have been threatening till now.
    So in the last instance I have a police officer who I explain that I now have the documented proof of serious criminal offences who claims to have reopened an Incident report. I follow up this with two separate letters to him that appear to have been lost. Along with his failure to do what he lied that he had done. One of my statements to him was that it would be better if the police got together with the organised criminals operating in our hospitals because when they sent me away refusing to take my complaint about being ‘spiked’ with a date rape drug, they attempted to have me killed. Fortunate that someone noticed and interupted the killing. He stated that “it might be best he didn’t know about that”. So what have I been paying taxes for all these years? For this criminal negligence by police? And it is criminal to not take a report when someone turns up in a police station with proof of crimes. Not that he cares, they will just threaten my grandchildren again.
    If only I were allowed a lawyer who would assist in having my property returned, I could leave this country that has been totally corrupted by public officers from the UK who have been identified as corrupt and dumped on us. Shame really because my family has worked so hard over many years and now the corrupt public officers from another country simply move in and take over the place. Like a cancer they will destroy their host and be looking for another in no time.
    Interesting that police handed one of Jeffrey Dahmers victims back to him. Saved handing him over to some brutal psychiatrist for ‘treatment’ I suppose. The psychologist who arranged the torture and kidnapping in my instance, her husband was a psychiatrist in the hospital where they attempted to hot shot me. But once again police won’t even take a look, preferring the lies that were told to them in the first instance that I was someones “patient”. Shame one can’t have them check things like that, because i’ve no doubt I wasn’t the only person these people arranged to have killed, and their negligence is what they use to conceal their criminality. With police that stupid it really wouldn’t be hard to use them as stooges for kidnapping and torture, and well, have them drop victims at the hospital for you. They will even assist in covering up the crimes should it be necessary. For example ask my wife about how they used police to (unsuccessfully) retrieve the documents proving I was ‘spiked’. Not that having proof of crimes will get you anything but arrested by police. Looking after their local organised criminals.
    Good people gone bad? Nope, they are rotten to the core. I guess they really never see it coming huh.

  • Similarly we can’t have vicious bastards running around loose on the streets either so give them degrees and let them call themselves doctors or Mental Health Professionals. Anything as long as the rest of the community doesn’t have to interact with them on a daily basis. Get them into the locked wards and desensitize them for when they eventually need to be locked up and drugged for their crimes against humanity. A bit of luck they will eventually realise they are ill and get the ‘treatment’ they require, a bit like the doctor in Chekovs Ward 6.
    I’m reminded of the Eureka moment that the Operations Manager had when it was pointed out what she was doing was criminal and she came to her senses and spoke the truth. Rather than lying and saying “were here to help” she told me “we’ll fuking destroy you”. See, there is hope for these people, they just need to recognise their true inner feelings, and how to use their positions to abuse, torture, maim and kill. And as for Doctor “i’m the Boss around here” with his hot shots, an absolute psychotic, see it in his eyes while he is killing “patients”. Get some help Doc. Your conduct is more befitting the local football team pack rapist than a doctor.

  • “Would she not have been better off at home?”
    Problem being that in Australia all that is required for a citizen to become an “Involuntary Outpatient” is for someone to call the Mental Health Emergency Response Line and Police and a Community Nurse are despatched to snatch the person (who has been duly prepared earlier with a ‘spiking’ and a planted knife) from their home for ‘treatment’.
    I know some people like our Politicians say there are protections for the public but those charged with the duty to enforce those protections claim they don’t even know what they are. So I get told Police don’t have a copy of the Criminal Code and the Chief Psychiatrist writes he doesn’t know what a burden of proof is (suspect on reasonable grounds, he doesn’t like the reasonable bit so has rewritten the law). Bit strange for someone charged with providing “expert legal advice to the Minister” huh?
    Of course admitting I wasn’t a “patient” means that what was done was criminal and these folk hate the truth so they do cover ups. And its highly effective, I came so close to being unintentionally negatively outcomed they had the hole dug ready for me. Some even thought I’d been buried and were most shocked when I turned up in a police station with the proof of the crimes (they thought the documents had been retrieved).
    So I don’t know about being better off at home, because these days I simply wonder when the State is going to snatch me from my home for nothing more than they don’t like what I’m saying. The anxiety that comes from being tortured and kidnapped being symptoms of an ‘illness’ requiring ‘treatment’.
    Fortunate that there is no effective mechanism for complaint, they allow you to have pro bono legal representation till they find out what documentation and witnesses you have, and your then thrown under a bus and the evidence you have is retrieved by a little known evidence retrieval unit of police, and witnesses intimidated and threatened with the same ‘treatment’ they have just seen metted out to their other victims.
    Its working an absolute treat. For now anyway. Any whistleblowers who approach the media will be exposed because Police are raiding their offices and homes to identify what they have and who is blowing the whistle. And with the ability to abuse human and civil rights via the Mental Health Act they had better do as they’re told. The last thing they want is the media keeping the public informed of what is being done in their name.
    I really struggle to see how you keep your good reputation by torturing, maiming and killing anyone who doesn’t see the world the way you do, but ….. God leads astray who he will.

  • https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-12/lismore-hospital-death-daughter-says-nurses-lied-about-death/8520214

    And they say they have no idea this type of thing is going on? Then they are too lazy to even walk to their local hospital and take a look. And as a Minister/Shadow? A chemical baseball bat by a doctor killed this woman, if you look really carefully in the video you can see his ghost.

    Seems to confirm what you have written John. And all of a sudden there are people who are “concerned” when it appears in the papers. No media coverage they turn their blind eye.

  • What I fund interesting in my situation was how the people who were conspiring to torture and kidnap whipped up a frenzy with the authorities in order to have them act on the spur of the moment. By planting a weapon and admitting to spiking me with benzos there was a need for immediate action. And the fools fell for it. I guess it used to be that they would plant a copy of the Torah on a person to whip up this type of frenzy during the rise of National Socialism.
    What I find most disgusting is that those with a duty to put these matters right find it so much easier to target the victims of these criminals because they have already been kicked to the ground, how easy is it for them to then sink the boot in.
    The 5 minute Hate.
    I wonder no more about how a person wrongly convicted needs to spend a lifetime in prison for the negligence, fraud and slander of others. They might need to face their own ‘illness’ of being something less than human and devoid of the emotions they wish to drug in others.

  • Think about the way that ECT has been repackaged to make it palatable to the general public again.

    Leopard Oil (formerly known as Snake Oil) guaranteed to cure baldness, skin disorders, alcoholism, and a range of other uses.

    I actually met a guy who had a lobotomy done, though he didn’t call it that. In fact I don’t think he knew much about anything tbh lol. “Medication time, medication time”.

  • They speak different languages? The German psychiatrist would be really old now? The German psychiatrist would laugh if you said “there’s safety in numbers”?
    Actually the Germans from what i’ve heard have been trying to do something about the resurgence of National Socialism understanding the problems that come with that. In Australia were going the other way and seem to be encouraging race hatred and Islamophobia, to the point where we are even exporting it to other places. See for example the mass shooting in NZ, oh wait they shut down the ability to see that, along with your right to know a lot of other things the government doesn’t want you to know they are doing. Never mind you don’t have a sophisticated knowledge of the law and would simply not understand what is good for you.
    So they obtain power via an election. Then put matters such as a Euthanasia Bill on the table (shouldn’t they have discussed this before the election?). Then they tell us 80% of the population wants Euthanasia (though don’t call it that it has too many negative associations with the National Socialists) Then they don’t tell us that more than 80% of the population wants the death penalty but were not getting that. Then they say we need to get this through Parliament really quickly because Santa wants something in his sack for Doctors Christmas.
    What a shame they have been allowed to do this to what was once a great place. Still, there are still places where one can live without fear of being snatched from your bed, tortured, kidnapped and then killed for complaining. And all the government needs to do is distribute fraudulent documents and make you a “patient” post hoc. What makes me laugh is the faces on the people who figure out what i’m saying is true, they are so much more comfortable with believing the lie that “they wouldn’t do that”. Their faux shock and horror will be apparent once this regime has ended, and it will end, they always do.
    I thought there would be concerns but ….. the Minister continues with the “patient” slander and nothing gets done. His mental health police that act a lot like the Einsattsgruppen march on. We now have mental health police attached to our actual police. Didn’t the politicial police get attached to the actual police in Germany? Good move Minister, good move. Anyone who becomes a political problem can be immediately brought under the powers of the Mental Health Act and ‘treatment’ can begin immediately. No need to inform their families or lawyers or anyone really. I mean I was denied access to my telephone to call my daughter, denied access to a competent lawyer, and had my phone calls listened to (yes the nurse stood there while i was on the phone and documented what I was discussing with legal rep if you could call a throw them under a bus service that).
    And should there be an unintentional negative outcome i’m sure that the family will be directed to the highly effective refoulment, i mean complaints process.
    Whats really dumb is they think that refugees won’t recognise this stuff. They are more attuned to torture and kidnappings/killings by governments. Its why they got out of the frying pan. Still, the jack boots are nice and shiny and they will remain silent for fear of once again having nowhere safe to go.

  • Can’t help but wonder if this isn’t an idea that came from a Chinese student who was food poisoned and ended up being shipped off to a Mental Health facility for injection with the ‘burning flesh’ till he spilled the beans on his invention. Knowing what I know about Sun Tzu and the chapter on ‘agents’ one might send such a person that has a bad idea that sounds like a good idea and watch while they try to get it to work and fail miserably. I like the way the Chinese think 🙂

    Chelmsford wasn’t that long ago either Dr Scull.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelmsford_Royal_Commission

  • I had no idea what a vicious bunch of pricks these people at the hospital are. Once they got their hooks into my family they used them to ‘gaslight’ me in the hope I would commit suicide, and they could wash their hands of their little torture and kidnapping problem. Or maybe the Operations Manager meant something different when she told me they would “fuking destroy” me for continuing with my complaint regarding their use of a known torture method and kidnapping? She’s done this before folk 🙂 And has no doubt done it since.

    The things they can do to a person who has been ‘hijacked’ via having someone self appoint their ‘carer’ is disgusting and disgraceful. A total removal of a persons human and civil rights. They are now enabled to lie to you, and have you running around in circles chasing your own tail. Police say things like “we don’t have a copy of the Criminal Code” and persons with a duty to perform are aware that there are no consequences for NOT doing their duty. It’s a “patient”.
    And the families would go along with it thinking “they’re medical people and are trying to help” till they find their loved one at the end of a rope and watch as these filth bags walk away laughing.
    And believe me they think it is funny, ask the Community Nurse who laughed out loud when I said I’d have something done about his kidnapping.
    The terrorists within our system would appear to be more of an issue than any external threat i’ve seen. Public officers becoming so delusional that they are somehow enabled in any conduct they deem fit and that it will be concealed from public view out of a need to maintain reputation? And how has that worked out for the Catholic Church?
    Think it isnt true? Got the stomach to look at what was done to me? And how easy is the ‘cover up’ for the Government? Simply make the person into a “patient” post hoc via fraudulent documents and then refuse to even engage in discussions where you have to maintain the fraud lest the criminals be exposed.

    My argument, prove I was a “patient”. I’m certain the person who is obstructing justice has been identified by now, and a bit like Cardinal Pell is of the opinion that they are ‘untouchable’. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Ghosts of the Civil Dead.

  • I saw a woman in the hospital whose behaviour confused me. I realised that she had Angelmans Syndrome (or what used to be called Happy Puppets Syndrome). I mentioned this to the staff and they laughed at me. Anyway, i ended up discussing it with her psychiatrist and he had a vague recollection of the syndrome (its genetic). What i realised later was that it didn’t matter what the cause of the behaviours was to these people, they were taking her off down the same path anyway, drugs and incarceration.
    So even when the science is done, it makes no difference anyway. The predetermined outcome is drug em and drop em.

  • Cheers Frank

    “You do what mental health law allows you to do to a mental patient to anybody who is not so labeled and you’re breaking the law.”

    So where do you go when the person is not a :patient”? I would have thought the police but ….. so I’ve ended up with the folk who broke the law knowing they broke the law, but the law won’t do the law because they prefer that the law wasn’t the law and that the false narrative that I was someones “patient”. I wasn’t, full stop, not true.

    I know that someone has figured this out. I also know that there is something causing an obstruction of justice because these folk who tried to murder me have still not been held to account. In fact they have the Minister for Health still running with a false narrative and misdirecting a legitimate complaint to a kangaroo court to ensure they are enabled. I can only assume he has them on a very short leash while they do a few ‘jobs’ for him.

  • I struggled to understand why under our law Ketamine, Rohypnol, GHB and Benzodiazepines are considered to be stupefying/intoxicating drugs if administered without knowledge or consent. And yet if you can convince someone to take them willingly its seen as being medicine.
    Not that you can have anything done about a medical person like a nurse authorising the spiking of peoples food and drink with these drugs, the Australian Health Practitoners Regulation Agency is authorising anyone who they provide regulation for with the power to do this. Despite knowing that they don’t have any prescribing rights. They just refuse to look and let you complain about the way your complaint was handled. And the negligence results in a hospital system that is literally killing people. If only i’d known you could get paid for that. Human rights abuses? No problem, AHPRA will cover that one up for us with their negligent investigations and predetermined outcomes.
    Just make sure the complaint is directed away from police with the slanderous “patient” label and redirected to their kangaroo court medical complaint system that ensures these organised criminals are enabled eh Minister?

    In fact, how negligent must our Minister for Health be to think that spiking people with benzodaizepines is a ‘medical issue’? Because there is a whole bunch of nite club rapists who should be seeking his support to be freed from incarceration. I mean their stupefying with intent was to sexually assault, this Community Nurse is doing it to kidnap. And yet they are somehow different? Lucky the Minister is such an effective slanderer and can obstruct if not pervert the course of justice.

  • I like your comment fnert777.

    One of the issues that has amazed me regarding my situation is how a Community Nurse lies to police and certain things happen as a result, and yet they continue to maintain that lie despite their being no evidence to support the straw man, and only a preference for the lie.
    Okay, so because i’m not a “patient” this guy has effectively used police to torture and kidnap me, I get that. Now one might imagine that when they figured that out they might have done some stuff to conceal these facts. I get that too. But police telling me that “it might be best I don’t know about that” when I explain they tried to murder me? Okay, the attempt to murder I get too, I mean its what criminals put in a corner tend to do, but where else do they obtain assistance from police to do this?

    And yeah, I get it i’ve been slandered as a nutjob and what i’m saying might not be true, but ya might want to check first?

    Simple, all I need is proof that I was someones “patient” on the day I was spiked and snatched from my bed. I know it doesn’t exist and in which case I am the victim of some serious organised criminals. Not that the reputation of Mental Health Services can suffer as a result of the negligence, fraud and slandering. The Operations Manager tells me that they fuking destroy anyone who has a valid complaint, And they have the authority of our Minister to do so. He, despite zero proof prefers the false narrative and has reinforced it with his stamp of approval, and a need to totally ignore the protections of our Mental Health Act. And he wants support for his Euthanasia Bill with all those protections? Ones that he has demonstrated will not be observed despite knowledge of their existence?
    These are the same people who were ‘overlooking’ CSA in the Church for years using the same methods. Isn’t it about time we moved a little quicker on these negligent abusers?

    Mind you the standing of our Politicians is only just above that of car salesmen. A shame because in some countries they are seen as being trustworthy and may not have a need to torture, maim and kill and disguise it as ‘medicine’.

  • Coercion is one of the issues being discussed about our very rushed Euthanasia Bill.

    I’ve got a funny feeling that the coercion exercised to ‘volunteer’ to be killed might be proportional to the time that Doctor has before he has to tee off at the Country Club and how much can be claimed for the ‘procedure’ on Medicare. Still, there won’t be any interviews being done to find out, nor any data kept as to how many are being done apparently.

    Cover your tracks.

  • A survey?
    They did a survey of “patients” from the previous year and it was found that 45% of the females claimed they had been subjected to sexual assaults. Okay there were some issues with this survey but it was what our, at the time, Minister for Mental Health said about the survey that interested me. “You can’t listen to them, they’re patients”.
    Yes please do the surveys but understand that there are some people who have made thier minds up before any data is collated. In fact, I think if they did a survey on what was to be for lunch at the annual Royal College meeting I feel that the (ex) Minister might say “You have to listen to them, they’re doctors”.

    Imagine how dangerous that attitude is for “patients”. Imagine being one of the respondents who may be being abused only to have the person charged with your care say such a thing? I know it takes time, but it just might be worth checking if it is happening before dismissing the claims because they’re patients. Not an uncommon attitude though from what i’ve observed over the years.

  • It fascinates me listening to the latest sports star who is in need of mental health services. We hear vague descriptions of their diagnosis and when the ’emerge’ (note they emerge, not drag themselves out with little if any of their life in tatters) they are seen as poster children for seeking assistance if you need it.
    Oh how far all that is from the truth. I mean it’s like they fly to Paris for lunch at Maxims and return feeling satisfied, when what the average Joe gets is scraps that have been dragged out of the dumpster and left to rot for a week and will be lucky if it doesn’t result in a trip to the Emergency Dept. Oh, and if you don’t like the look of what they dish up on the plate, they’re going to have 12 thugs pin you down and shove that muck down your throat.
    Still, sports people used to get folk smoking too. So the idea of them luring young folk into something that will damage their health for life is not unheard of.

  • Nazi Party never formed. National Socialists. Many of the first prisoners were Jehovah Witnesses. Why one might ask when Hitler is quoted as saying “We tolerate no one in our ranks who attack the ideas of Chritianity. Our movement is Christian” 1928. Of course the Jehovah Witnesses refused to give the ‘salute’ and so, off you go to prison if you don’t support the Fuhrer. I guess the similarity to not doing as one is told by your local Community Nurse who demands you speak to him when spoken to lest you be hospitalised may be a bit much for the modern day fascists to tolerate. I mean I have seen a young woman locked up for not doing her dishes when it came time for home inspection by the Community Nurse ffs. At what point do these people get off the controlling band wagon?
    The particular Community Nurse who had me jumped by police obviously hates Muslims because it was basically what his “reasons” for believing that I needed to be an involuntary patient were, islamophobia. And he has obviouly read the Qur’an, because he also knows as a result of 4:34 we are all wife beaters, and it’s a given on his Forms. Which went down really well with the Catholic Priest and Senior Medical Officer who he handed me off to without telling him I had been spiked with bezodiazepines.
    Should see the list of ‘chemical restraints’ he had me down for. He obviously hadn’t read the Qur’an because he didnt know about 5:90 which makes these stupefying/intoxicating drugs prohibited. Not that he would consider the cultural/religious aspects of my belief system of any significance. Perhaps he can loan me his copy of The Arab Mind? Because his attitude seemed to consist of the only thing these people understand is humiliation.
    He even had me believing he was a psychiatrist until one of the other detainees pointed out he was “only a doctor”. Still, it did get him the opportunity to have my clothes removed and stick objects into my mouth or anus when I had expressly denied him consent. Not that anyone is going to say anything, as police and everyone else who works in these environments knows “i refuse to testify on the grounds I may incriminate myself”. As was done when 12 police officers watched a young man beaten to death in the cells all did. 12 witnesses and nothing can be done, what a shame.

  • An end to “mass suffering”? Its being passed through our Parliament as we speak in the form of a Euthanasia Bill. Plenty to go around, not a lot willing to share.
    Got a Minister for Health telling us that there are “protections” in the Bill for the vulnerable. And yet I’ve got an email from him refusing to even recognise the protections afforded the public in the Mental Health Act. With zero evidence he calls anyone he disagrees with a “mental patient” and thus the slander means he wins everytime yay. One has to wonder how these protections are to be enforced once he gets this rushed legislation through the Parliament. And it will happen because Santa has made the kiddies a promise for Christmas.
    Sounds like a good book Megan but given that my State has taken to snatching folk from their beds, torturing and kidnapping them and then calling them “patient” via fraudulent documents distributed to lawyers, and threatening and intimidating citizens families and witnesses to conceal their human rights abuses I might not get the chance to read it.
    But good luck ending the suffering, My governments plan seems to be a little different to those who have a more humane approach to these matters.

  • Its interesting where some stories take a person. I haven’t read all the articles relating to your story Marci but …….
    There was a man who was convicted here of setting his children on fire during a domestic dispute. He later claimed that he had been ‘spiked’ by someone during his trial and that he would never have hurt his children otherwise. His defense was rejected and he is serving a long prison term now.
    What gets me wondering is that I know the State has been allowing people to ‘spike’ others with date rape drugs, and then concealing this fact and slandering the victims as paranoid delusionals. It was done to me. In fact, the symptoms of the ‘spiking’ were written down as being symptoms of a mental illness by a doctor who was not informed I had been ‘spiked’. This of course has me wondering if this man is speaking the truth about being drugged without his knowledge and if so would this have changed the outcome of his trial? This is one of the problems raised by governments that allow people to use date rape drugs to assist with interrogations, one simply can not predict what the outcomes might be. I know in my case there was some concerns about whether by ‘spiking’, planting a knife on me and then lying to police and claiming I was “mental patient” they might shoot me during their restraint. Not a great concern because they went through with it anyway, and phew I didn’t get shot, just slandered and destroyed.
    Drink spiking with these date rape drugs has been described by our politicians as being “abhorrent and extremely dangerous” and yet I have a letter from the National Regulatory Authority stating they have no problem with a nurse (with no prescribing rights) authorising this be done and concealing it from police and doctors. Seems that they know better than our community, and I can only assume they are ‘medical people’ and are above our laws.

    Can you imagine though, an experiment conducted where a doctor is presented with a person who has nothing wrong with them other than being ‘spiked’ with date rape drugs is seen as being mentally ill and in need of more of the drugs that are causing the symptoms? That can’t work out well. And the regulatory body who investigate the nurse who concealed the ‘spiking’ from police and the doctors is given a glowing report for his adherence to a duty of care. SHAMe they don’t know the law, or they would be aware this is called conspiring to pervert the course of justice and has a mandatory prison term. It seems some people are receiving favours through acts of criminal negligence.
    Anyhow, good luck in your fight for justice, and I enjoyed reading your poem.

  • With a Prime Minister who is basically dismantling any human rights in the country, and telling us that we need to be “independent” of International interference (globalists) I can’t really hear what it is that’s being said here.

    The UN wants us to what? I mean we did rewrite the Mental Health Acts when it was pointed out that they were a violation of human rights and the treatments may constitute torture (but lets not mention we made them easier to abuse human rights and enabled the widespread use of torture in the process, it did invalidate the UNs statement). What next? They will be wanting to undermine our Euthanasia Acts for “lives unworthy of living” and we will need to spend how much on adequate aged/disability care? And where oh where do they think that sort of money is coming from? Do the math folks,

  • There’s something that makes me smile.

    Mental Health Services can’t deal with meth users who are beating women in front of their children, and arranging home invasions when people dont pay them when blackmailed. But Mental Health Services are prepared to arrange a kidnapping and torture to deal with the person being threatened by meth users with a history of home invasion to deal with the anxiety being caused by the very real threats being issued. Talk about making a square peg fit a round hole.
    No way my wifes family was going to have their little family secret exposed. Young Ben was never to be held accountable for his conduct, even if it meant the death of that young woman in front of her children.
    And the police? They prefer it when people are spiked with benzos and have weapons planted on them rather than dealing with the real threats. Makes the job easier and one doesn’t have to worry so much about things like the truth or ….. you know these meth heads are dangerous, much easier when the victims have been prepared for you by Mental Health Services.
    In the meantime, they too can claim the domestic violence and deaths that are resulting require more funding and extra ordinary powers to deal with.
    I don’t know that treating angry people unjustly can really end with positive results. The mischief makers do seem to benefit from it though. And as long as it yeilds a profit it will continue.
    Just a note on the divorce lawyer I approached. She was quite happy to take money from a person she believed was “mad” (to use her term). But was not prepared to assist a person who had the proof of what he had stated (regarding the drugging without knowledge) when it was put on the table.
    Do they really sit in wait for vulnerable people to charge thousands of dollars when they think they are mad for advice that consists of “my time is really expensive”?
    I quote, “but I thought you were mad, but you’ve got the proof” Not helping you anymore, that narrative doesn’t suit me, and here was me thinking it was easy money from a nutjob.

  • It never ceases to amaze me how different our systems can be. In my country all my wife (a white woman) has to do is make one phone call and police dressed ready for combat in Afghanistan will turn up at my home and evict me for however many days she would like. Which worked really well for her when her boyfriend was in town and she didn’t wish to waste my money on motel rooms.
    I did ask her at one stage how she managed to have police turn up and with zero evidence throw me out of my own home and her response was “it did all seem a bit too easy”. I think her advice to anyone wishing to access this service is to slander the victim as being a “mental patient” and this will prime police ready to kill.
    Still, Joseph did spend 10 years down a well because of a false accuser so I guess i got off lightly. Or did I, as a result of the slander by a Community Nurse telling police a lie to make his torture and kidnapping appear lawful I haven’t seen my grand children for 8 years now. Because now police can’t ‘put the record straight’ because they assisted this guy with his torture and kidnapping and will be embarrassed about that. Much better to assist the criminals at that point and turn a blind eye while they kill the victim. Fortunate for me some don’t have the stomach for our hospital emergency departments being used as personal slaughterhouses.
    P.S. I don’t think this is a service available to women of color.

    Actually its funny because it was me trying to have my wifes nephew stop beating his girlfriend in front of her children that created the conflict with her family. Every time he got on the meth he was breaking into her home and well, the kids were falling asleep at school, and she was being told if she didn’t stop him they would take her kids. So I think your husband may be right about not getting involved because the real wife beaters are receiving support from authorities. They take a womans kids away if she doesn’t let it happen here. This was my “thoughts of harming others” noted by the Community Nurse when he travelled back in time three weeks to make his observations. So he arranged 3 other meth heads to come and home invade, but i’m being paranoid if I worry about his threats.

  • I wonder about that sam. For example when my wife spiked my drink with benzos to make it easy to plant a knife on me and obtain a police referral, i’m sure it all seemed like a good plan at the time. However, after 6 weeks of being run around and the FOI officer at the hospital telling my wife what she needed to ensure I couldn’t get the proof (ie a back dated referral making me a “patient”) they caved and handed over the documents (redacted).
    So I asked my wife “Why didn’t you just tell me the truth about the spiking?”. Her response was that the FOI officer had threatened her because if I knew about that then their criminal conduct would also be exposed. And they didn’t want that, because conspiring to pervert the course of justice carries a mandatory prison term. And i’m sure they were not aware that police don’t have a copy of the criminal code so are only arresting people based on the color of their skin and whatever they think might be crimes (eg loitering near a crosswalk with the intention of using it).
    What if the person doing the watching believed something false? What if the person who was doing the beating said it was because the person deserved it. What if the person being beaten had been slandered as “patient”and then beaten under lawful sanction? Which is what surprised me about the police not only standing by while the community nurse did a kidnapping and torture, but why they actually assisted him. Then with his fraud exposed it becomes obvious to anyone who cares to look. Unfortunate that the police are allowed to refuse to perform their duty because they must be terribly embarrassed about being used to kidnap and torture citizens.
    It really came as a shock to me to find out that what was being done in the locked ward did not constitute torture. I mean it sure as Hell looked like it. But then I found out about the loophole being exploited in the Convention (Article 1.1) that it was “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction” and all one needs to torture your citizens is a corrupt psychiatrist. And well,,, we know how easy that would be with a fist full of cash. So good people stand and watch with the personal justification that the person is being beaten with lawful sanction and thus they do nothing. Bit like the guards at Auschwitz had no qualms about their duty being lawful and would not even question the ethics of it all. Just doing my job. Altruistic evil i’ve heard it called.
    Put them to the integrity test though and ensure that they know what they are doing is evil, and don’t allow them to later claim they didn’t know. At least Ned Kelly accepted his fate when they hung him (Such is Life), unlike the National Socialists who denied any wrongdoing until they got to shake hands with Albert Pierrepoint.

  • “Hello, Is there anybody out there?” Pink Floyd.

    I don’t know but are there any other mental health professionals using the methods of this Community Nurse that I came across? Maybe it’s seen as a ‘trade secret’?

    Basically have the person you want to torture and kidnap spiked with benzos and plant a knife on them and then run with two narratives. You call the police and request assistance with a “patient” and they oblige by coming and detaining the target for you (thinking that you have the lawful authority to have the target detained), and causing an acute stress reaction (combined with the spiking with benzos which you fail to inform police, or the doctors at the hospital about). You then interrogate the target and verbal them up on Forms and refer for an examination by a psychiatrist and run with the narrative at the hospital that your referral was from the police. The police are now doing your kidnapping for you and if their is any complaint to police they won’t even touch it because it’s a complaint from a “mental patient” and will simply send them back to the kidnappers to be dealt with. There is of course that little problem with the thing called the law, but fortunately our police tell me they don’t have a copy of the Criminal Code in their stations anymore. Because lying to police, procuring, uttering, kidnapping, intoxication by deception, stupefying with intent are all listed in there as crimes.

    Don’t think it can be done? I can prove it despite the best efforts of my government to cover this up. No harm done, lost my home, my marriage, my grand children my career, my sanity and the Community Nurse was off to do another one that afternoon. What was he supposed to do? And the whole community supports him. Perhaps because they don’t understand that what he is doing is criminal? No, they know alright. I checked.
    More importantly, there is no avenue for complaint regarding the use of known torture methods in my country, despite this being a requirement under the Convention. So the ratification of that document may make the community feel a little safer, but the folk who signed it never intended to honor that document, in any way. Refoulment is their solution to any complaints, and they are using the Mental Health Act to refoul any legitimate complaints. And they are pointing fingers at other countries about human rights abuses? Its not that we are not doing them, we have simply passed laws that make it easy to cover them up as being ‘medicine’.
    I’m guessing that the reason the Chief Psychiatrist needed to rewrite the law and make arbitrary detentions lawful was because he couldn’t admit that one of his chosen people would commit such serious offences. And being the god that he is with the power to have citizens unintentionally negatively outcomed to resolve any little issues of torture and kidnapping why would he worry? I mean I was under the impression that parliament wrote the laws and he simply had a duty to enact what they passed, not he rewites what they pass to suit his colleagues and nobody bothers to look at what is being done to citizens and called ‘medicine’. Go figure. Sure has changed fast since they got the ability to travel through time and space.

  • The right to consent.

    Okay Boans we have found out that there are some people who want to do you harm (if you’d stop complaining about the torture and kidnapping), but we don’t know exactly how they are going to do it. What we do know is that they have asked your wife to get you to attend the ED at a particular hospital. You wife has given me a copy of one of your favorite books and i’m going to call you and make friends and ask that you go along with us to find out what they intend doing to you.
    My response, fuk off professor.
    So it gets done without my consent, and yeah okay so they are hotshotting folk in the ED. I still think I had a right to know what they were using me for. A stakeout, and I still laugh to this day at the look on that doctors face when they snatched him right in the middle of trying to kill someone. He really did think he was god.

    Still, keep talking like that Boans and they will have reason to drug you into a stupour. Because that’s what they have always done when the truth doesn’t suit them If it were a problem the guy doing the hot shots wouldn’t be getting promoted to head of the doctors union right? Might be of more use in that position than rotting in a jail for killing people.
    And let me say the police obviously know its going on because they tell me “it might be best they don’t know about it” when you turn up with the proof. They make referral behind your back to the people doing the nasty.
    Oh it just got a little out of hand. Really? I get spiked with a date rape drug to plant a knife on me and have police rough me up to get me to talk to a Mental Health Professional? One who knew he was committing serious criminal offences by lying to police and claiming I was his “patient” and they can’t see how this might turn out bad?
    Okay, so a bit of stupefying to commit and indictable offence namely kidnapping (40 years) we might want to call in a favour from the Doc. Means, motive and opportunity, but with the hospital removing the motive via fraudulent documents the killing can be done with impunity. Not that i’d expect our police to get this, they’re too busy beating up on mental patients and aboriginals to be concerned about the top end of town.

  • No doubt there are concerns Sam.

    They had to make sure that the age of consent for ECTs was made explicit in our new MHA. Doctors were getting worried that someone might bring action over the use of it on young teenagers. Not that there is a lawyer in my State who would dare think of bringing action against the gods of psychiatry, there families would be targeted immediately (as mine was). Still, the public seems happy with this medical mafia running our State so who am I to complain.

  • “So called mentally ill”
    Always important to keep an eye on the shifts with regards legislation. The “drug addiction” exclusion was removed from the new Act. Perhaps they can remove the religious beliefs exclusion next time. Our government has a bit of a problem with the use of methylamhetamines at present. Police have been ineffective in dealing with the problem mainly due to the levels of organised criminals who have protection from police. Big money involved and we can’t have certain people be held to account.
    So blame is being put on the folk who are taking the drugs and they have become the responsibility of mental health services, who claim to have ‘treatments’ for them. I’m sure that ‘treatments’ will be developed to deal with these folk and ensure that the large amounts of money from the meth dealing is not interferred with. In the meantime the regular users of services are afraid to even go near the hospitals because their modus operandii has changed. I’m sure that some valuable information can be obtained from many of these criminals given what can be done to them under the “lawful sanction” loophole in the Convention. Mind you, one would have to be motivated by stopping the illegal drug trade, not ensuring its continuance via witness/evidence tampering. Oh well, another missed opportunity.
    RIP Andrew Petrelis.

  • Intresting point dfk. Might explain why I managed to survive being tortured and kidnapped by mental health services (and the ensuing ‘gaslighting’ as a result of complaining) I mean it seemed bizarre to me that these people were surprised at the reaction of a man who had been ‘spiked’ with benzos and had a knife planted on him for police to find and obtain an “acute stress reaction” to loosen the lips knowing I wouldn’t talk to a filthy verballing public officer. Because it does constitute the use of a known torture method, and lying to police and saying a citizen is your “patient” to have them transported against their will to your place of work is kidnapping.
    Still, i’ve sent letters to many people who simply don’t wish to know, in fact AHPRA are so incompetent they send you out a complaint form to complain about how your complaint was dealt with. I think many of these people have adopted the methods used by the child raping priests to ensure no action is taken, ie that criminality is viewed as “character flaw”. They are happy with nurses arranging ‘spikings’ with date rape drugs and concealing evidence from both the police and doctors.
    The chronology of documents shows the Senior Medical Officer writing down the effect of being spiked with benzos as symptoms of a mental illness requiring the administration of enough anti psychotics to lay an elephant out for a week.
    I just can’t help but wonder how many folk have died as a result of this criminal who is receiving support from others prepared to commit serious offences to enable him. Anybody want to see the documents sent to the Mental Health Law Centre that they called “editing”? I dont know that taking documents out that show ‘spiking’ with benzos and give the appearance that a citizen has been their “patient” for more than ten years is “editing”. I’d call it fraud, authorised by the Clinical Director. Can’t prove the intent? I could if they stopped threatening witnesses, and of course continuing with the ‘refoulment’ under the Convention against the use of Torture. There are folk who know why these fraudulent documents were sent to the Law Centre, and I hope the new cars and offices they obtained were worth it. Take your 30 pieces of silver Judas.
    And what they attempt to do once they have ensured assistance is no longer available? Some tell me they don’t have the stomach for it, but obviously there are those who do

  • In my State when the Unions started organising the Government passed an amendment to the Criminal Code called 54 (b). This meant that if three or more persons wished to gather in a public place they required a permit from the Government. Now people who were going for coffee with friends were not the target of this amendment, the Unions who were asking for a fair days pay for a fair days work were. Police moved in with horses and big stcks and beat them sensless.
    The Media is to Democracy what the Bludgeon is to the Totalitarian State said Noam Chomsky.
    What I have found is that when it comes time to sand up for what is known to be right, most people believe it is better to live on their knees. Should have seen what the ‘activists’ did when they were told by police that what they knew had happened, “never happened”.
    54 (b) was repealed by our High Court after 11 years. Enough time to smach the Unions and ensure the public knew that our Politicians would pass unconstitutional laws to get their way.
    I also find the quote from Dr Moncrieff interesting when looked at regarding our Euthanasia Bill that is being rushed through Parliament at present. Doctors have made their Christmas wish list known and the Minister is quite prepared to provide it. People are being abused in institutions, then lets find a way of having them volunteer to be assisted in dying. Life not worth living huh? (Where have I heard that before?) Imagine that with a system that encourages the ‘verballing’ by public officers to achieve outcomes and ‘destroying’ anyone who complains about their organised criminality. Unless of course there is an explaination for spiking citizens with date rape drugs before interrogations? The reaction to me having the proof is the pudding, and it tastes foul.

  • In my State when the Unions started organising the Government passed an amendment to the Criminal Code called 54 (b). This meant that if three or more persons wished to gather in a public place they required a permit from the Government. Now people who were going for coffee with friends were not the target of this amendment, the Unions who were asking for a fair days pay for a fair days work were. Police moved in with horses and big stcks and beat them sensless.

    The Media is to Democracy what the Bludgeon is to the Totalitarian State said Noam Chomsky.

    What I have found is that when it comes time to stand up for what is known to be right, most people believe it is better to live on their knees. Should have seen what the ‘activists’ did when they were told by police that what they knew had happened, “never happened”.

    54 (b) was repealed by our High Court after 11 years. Enough time to smash the Unions and ensure the public knew that our Politicians would pass unconstitutional laws to get their way.

    I also find the quote from Dr Moncrieff interesting when looked at regarding our Euthanasia Bill that is being rushed through Parliament at present. Doctors have made their Christmas wish list known and the Minister is quite prepared to provide it. People are being abused in institutions, then lets find a way of having them volunteer to be assisted in dying. Life not worth living huh? (Where have I heard that before?) Imagine that with a system that encourages the ‘verballing’ by public officers to achieve outcomes and ‘destroying’ anyone who complains about their organised criminality. Unless of course there is an explaination for spiking citizens with date rape drugs before interrogations? The reaction to me having the proof is the pudding, and it tastes foul.

    The protection of the Law? Our Chief Psychiatrist doesn’t even know what a burden of proof is, or at least thats what his letter states. Along with some of the most bizarre claims i’ve ever heard. Community Nurses can travel through time and space to make “observations”? They can these days read minds? Maybe he thought I was one of their victims being drugged into a stupour and wouldn’t find any assistance to contest this? Well, he did know about the spiking with benzos, and was shocked to find out I had the documents. Probably because concealing evidence is an offence.
    Oh wait he was right about not receiving any assistance, the Mental Health Law Centre assisted the State by accepting fraudulent documents and slandering me rather than admit I was not a “patient” and was therefore kidnapped and tortured, It’s a Venus Fly Trap people. Nice to know you can rely on your pro bono lawyers to throw you under a bus in times of need. Scabs
    Probably consider themselves ‘advocates’ which could not be further from the truth. But a failure to examine and act on the truth results in preferred outcomes, and the wheels of the bus go round and around. Still they sacked them and filled the place with the next lot to take care of business. Can’t be seen not to have acted, that would be further negligence. Getting caught perverting being the sin, not that they’re doing it on Ministers instructions. Did she mention your funding?

  • I saw some good documentaries by a guy named Adam Curtis Noel. One, the Century of the Self (2002) particularly relevant to what your describing above. An analysis of the Trump era being Hypernormalization (2016).

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0193231/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1

    Well worth watching if you have time.

    I think it might be worth updating this to Century of the Selfie. And is Greta Thunberg mentally ill as our Politicians seem to be claiming?

  • Yes streetphotobeing, An interesting progression during boom times for Germany.
    We have been through a bit of a boom time ourselves lately, lots of money from the mining industry and major deals being done with our neighbours in China.
    I did notice when they started discussing our new Mental Health Act that approximately 40% of the psychiatrists during a crisis meeting left the public system to practice privately.
    The system is still in crisis though they did fill some of the spots with overseas doctors who are being paid for doing what the locals wouldn’t. And I mean they did take the forced sterilization of children without parental consent clause out so I don’t really know why they all ran away (though I have my suspicions despite this being a symptom of illness).
    And now we are getting to see the footage of old people and the mentally ill being abused in institutions via our media.
    Life unworthy of living? Sure but I didn’t realise that the underfunding was going to create the situation.
    I was aware of the desensitization of emergency workers and first responders to the value of life, but I had no idea it had got to the situation where organised criminals operating in our hospitals were seen as being like shoplifters. An inconveniece not worth pursuing for a few convenience killings. That just seemed a bit cold to me looking from the outside, but I’m not a doctor and don’t understand the difficulties of juggling healthcaare with selecting my preferred model of Audi.
    Anyway, thanks for the info and given the “climate emergency” which has been declared they may have left it too late to cull a few million and enjoy the fruits of others labour. I’ve always got a smile from the saying Man plans, God laughs.

  • Euthanasia Bill, mass killings?

    I like how this Minister for Health/Mental Health manages to ignore his duty and pretend that the protections afforded the public in the Mental Health Act don’t exist, and then tells us that the protections afforded the public in his Euthanasia Bill will protect the public. Why on earth would the protections be any good when we know that the person who has a duty to enforce them does not do his duty when it matters?
    There is of course that little problem of abuse with old people and the mentally ill. And restraining them with anti psychotics isn’t going to last forever. Where were you when they started loading people into the camps in 1940s?

  • I can’t help but smile reading the article and comments here after what I’ve been put through.

    Civil and human rights? In my State all that is required for police to snatch you from your bed and hand you over to mental health services is a suspicion. In my instance that “suspicion” consisted of a lie from a mental health ‘professional’, a drink spiked with benzos, and a knife planted in my pocket when I collapsed. Off we go to a hospital of choice despite there being a protection in the Act against ‘remotes’.
    If police had documented their suspicion (on reasonable grounds is the bit they don’t like) it would consist of “man collapsed in bed”. Which part of that suggests a person suffering from a mental illness I ask? Or was the suspicion based on the lie from the mental health professional perhaps? That of course would constitute a crime under s. 336 of the Criminal Code Procurring. Still police aren’t given much training with regards dealing with the ‘mentally ill’ beyond where to point the gun these days. And the idea of expecting them to notice they were actually assisting a criminal operating right under their noses? Community Nurse and citizens getting together and conspiring to ‘spike’ people with benzos before interrogations? So what is it I was expecting? On one hand we have our politicians stating that drink spiking is “abhorrent and extrememly dangerous” and on the other we have a nurse authorising spikings to make his job easy and concealing this information from police and doctors.
    And combine the spiking with benzos with the ‘acute stress reaction’? That’ll get em talking eh? Ignore the Convention against the use of Torture too. Nut with knife sounds so much easier to deal with than all that law stuff.
    And the Civil libertarians are where? Nowhere when police are intimidating and threatening witnesses because they’re embarrassed that they’re being used by ‘medical people’ to do their kidnapping and assist in the torture of citizens who do not wish to speak with these mental health professionals who have a reputation as ‘verballers’.
    You people are lucky to be talking about loosing your rights. I mean, we have some coded into our laws, but the authorities simply ignore them and do what they want anyway, and not a soul prepared to hold them to account. Coz they’re the ones with the guns.
    8 years on and i’m still being slandered as “patient” by the Minister for Health who, despite his duty, ignores the facts and pretends that the burden of proving I wasn’t a “patient” is mine. Bit busy with his Euthanasia Bill he promised doctors before the public gets a chance to vote on it in an election. They want it done by Christmas. Won’t he be Santa at the AMA Christmas party.

  • Not sure about the US ingridejohnson, but there have been moves here in Australia to make it a crime to report to the United Nations. Details on the Lawyers for Human Rights website was where I read about it. (https://alhr.org.au)
    The torturers don’t want anyone escaping the system that is set up to ensure any complaints are not dealt with by anyone except the State governments via ‘refoulment’ of the victims. Even our Prime Minister has pointed out how the rort is working via the kangaroo courts of corruption watchdogs. (His words not mine) We have a tourism industry to protect and having people who wish to cuddle Koalas know that they might be subjected to torture in our hospitals is a no no lol

  • We saw the same sort of things occurring during the Royal Commission into Institutional responses to Child Sexual Abuse streetphotobeing. A young boy who had been repeatedly sexually assaulted escaped and went to police, only to be returned to his abusers and be locked in a cage he couldn’t stand up in for a week and repeatedly assaulted.
    These “character flaws” of the individuals doing the assaulting were not seen as being criminal offences by police. Thus they exercise their discretionary powers and choose (important word in this context) not to take any further action. Thus certain individuals find themselves above the law, and are free to use police services in their criminal conduct.
    I’ve been threatened with arrest for having documents that prove I was tortured and kidnapped. And it has been positively amazing how many people turn their backs on you for fear of being targeted by our police. “It never happened” i’ve heard from witnesses threatened by police, when they know they are lying to my face. What goes around comes around though. We know who they are and they are now compromised.

  • I read that
    “Scientists have developed a way to detect schizophrenia – by testing human hairs.
    Japanese researchers said levels of the enzyme MPST was linked to people having the severe mental illness, symptoms of which can include hallucinations, delusions and disorganised thinking. They looked at MPST levels in post mortem brain samples from patients who had schizophrenia and compared them to unaffected people. The levels correlated with the severity of symptoms. Blah blah blah and if you havent figured out the problem with this research yet, take a pill.
    But then this
    “Drug treatments focus on two brain chemicals- dopamine and serotonin. But the study suggests there may be scope for designing a drug that would work on hydrogen sulphide levels in the brain.”
    Is it any wonder the “chemical imbalance” myth continues with newspapers publishing this stuff? Why not at least mention that the “drug treatments that focus on dopamine and serotonin” don’t actually work? Instead they feed right back into the myth. Giving the impression that there are chemical treatments available to balance the dopamine and serotonin, but that they are trying to ‘tweak’ the current treatments. Another oft quoted lie told in these fine establishments of ‘healing’.
    Mind you, this particular article was a couple of pages on from a call for our Treasurer to become involved in the cost of mental illness to our community. Reinforcing the popular myths and lending weight to those nodding their heads that ‘something needs to be done about these nut jobs running around the streets creating havoc’. It won’t be long before the posters telling how much these folk are costing your honest to goodness taxpayer and how we have treatments for these greedy eaters available via our Volutary Assisted Dying legislation that was rushed through Parliament and seems to contain a loophole that doesn’t provide human rights for these ‘patients’.
    I mean 80 percent of the community wanted it right? Yes, they also want the death penalty but I don’t see that being given an express ticket through both Houses with a level of negligence hardly seen before.
    Debate has consisted of discussions between politicians and doctors, with the newspapers unable to even identify any other stakeholders with an interest in the Bill. Talk about silenced. Makes one wonder why we bother with Royal Commissions into the abuse in Aged Care. Oh wait, nooooo they wouldn’t would they?

  • You know Doc, I became really fixated by the second letter written by Saul of Tarsus to the Thessalonians.

    (2) The Man of Lawlessness.

    And God sends upon them a great delusion, that they might believe the lie.

    And let me say some of them really do believe they are god. So is this the delusion that God sends? And is there appropriate medication for this delusion? Worth a read if you have the time.

  • “Now that my son isn’t human, do you think some of the things recommended for humans might help him anyway?”

    It’s the truth in that statement that struck home for me Will. Now that your not human. I was shocked after being drugged without my knowledge with benzos ( a criminal offence called intoxication by deception) to find that Police don’t have a copy of the Criminal Code and therefore it’s not a crime. How can this be?
    Well, I was headed off at the pass so to speak because a doctor (not my doctor) called them and said a “patient” was coming to speak to them and don’t take the evidence he has lest you have to do your duty. Now what does this all mean? That I can have serious criminal offences committed against me and unless my self appointed doctor wants me to be allowed acces to the Criminal Code I can be denied my human and civil rights. With a damn phone call.
    Its really lucky the police told me that it was best they didn’t know about what this self appointed doctor and her psychiatrist husband tried to do to me in an Emergency Dept because they might find out I wasn’t a “patient” and therefore actually fit the description of “victim”. Still, lots of folk being silenced with these unintended negative outcomes round here, or so we found when they took a look.
    So yeah, with a phone call the question must be asked, now I’m not a human what drugs can I be ‘spiked” with, and who can do the ‘spiking’ (questions i’ve put to our Minister for Health who simply slanders me as “patient” and it all goes away). Because now that I am not covered by the Criminal Code I’m going to have to find ways of protecting myself from State sanctioned thugs and bullies (who I note suffer no sanctions for Failing to Perform their Duty, see Criminal Code that is still lost after 8 years)

  • Taking the Church out of the State required someone to do the Morality Policing. Psychiatrists stepped up and have been duly rewarded for their services. Problem being without an Overseer (ie God) they become god and suffer from delusions they fail to recognise. Hence the high levels of unintentional negative outcoming being done with no one being held to account. They can’t hold them to account because they wrote the Mental Health Act to allow this conduct. God leads astray whom He will, and they have been tested and failed miserably.

    No animal shall kill another animal
    Ammended by decree (1984)
    (without cause).

    Thus with the ability to plant evidence for police and use their services to kidnap and torture folk and exploit the “lawful sanction’ clause of the Convention? We have a winner.

    Or so they thought. Still, I am nothing more than a messenger and a warner.

  • Hear Hear Oldhead lol.

    I get the lure of the ‘Venus Fly Trap’ because many fall victim to this every day, but one can’t forget those who do not wish to partake of this mass drugging program who need to be ‘spiked’ with benzos and have a knife planted on them to obtain a police referral to Mental Health Services. All good for the well being of their ‘patients’.
    The good news here is that there are laws that still protect the public from these abusers, its just that those with a duty to ensure compliance have also read the chapter regarding the turning of a blind eye. Thus our Police do not have a copy of the Criminal Code in large Stations. Hence the need to do this ‘psychiatry’ well away from the gaze of the public. Much like the ‘coercion’ being done in Abu Ghraib. Accountability being the Satanic Verses to these tin gods.

  • Hi Dorothy,
    Thanks for continuing to speak out about the abuses that are being disguised as ‘medicine’. I remember reading one of your articles some time back now regarding your access to documents, and the struggle I was having in understanding the ones I had at that time (redacted).
    I like the comments made above about hatred of the truth. It was when I tracked my documents back after being confused about why ‘my’ lawyers could not assist me that I found out the hospital had supplied them with a fraudulent set. Unless of course taking the documents that contain the fact that I had been ‘spiked’ with benzodiazepines without my knowledge out, and replacing them with others creating the appearance that I was a “patient” of this hospital for more than ten years is considered “editing”. I think the correct term is fraud given the flustered response from authorities when I turned up in a police station with the documented truth. Not that it helped, they were going to arrest me for having them despite not being able to tell me what the charge would be. Once its a crime to report the crimes of your government the way I figure it it’s hard to call it a democracy anymore. More a totalitarian dictatorship, but they did call fraud editing too sooo. And as long as they are selling off our National assets to purchase weapons I guess they will maintain their control.
    Anyway, the ‘update’ is that they have been brought the truth, but they hate it and so continue to conceal it with falsehoods. I read that “Men can not settle the high affairs of the Universe. If they plot against the Truth, the Truth will destroy them, just as if they accept the Truth it will make them free.” Okay, so I haven’t seen my daughter or grandchildren for 8 years as a result of these frauds and slanderers. Thats a short time when I consider how long they will be tasting the fire in Hell.

    Their secrets and private counsels have been recorded in these documents, and will bear witness to their crimes on the day of Judgement. Your posters should make certain people very afraid. Bearing false witness is a serious matter, and knowing it has been done and not correcting the error stands right alongside it.
    Still, these are the same people who saw the systematic abuse of children in institutions as being “character flaws” rather than criminal offences and allowed hundreds of children to be sexually assaulted. And I expect them to do something about me being abused? I see what they mean about my need for ‘treatment’ lol. It saves them having to face the truth that they are torturers and kidnappers (unless they can prove I was actually a “patient” which is impossible given that it is not true and has only been achieved via fraud Note they even tried to have me go to a doctor and get a referral backdated to make me into a “patient” post hoc)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelmsford_Royal_Commission

    This would have continued if it weren’t for people telling their stories, and someone with morals ensuring it wasn’t buried by putting pressure on politicians to keep their promises. Keep telling your story Dorothy.

  • Pride meet Vainglory, Vainglory, Pride.

    I dunno Doc, I mean i’m not going to mess with the 7 deadlies. It’s not the sin in and of itself, but the fact that it leads one astray and likely to commit others. So yeah I dabble a bit with pride and get to like it, but it becomes ripples in the pond. My healthy pride now becomes something I need like a hit of heroin, and i’m willing to hurt others to get it by for example slandering them. I might even get good at slandering them and get a degree to do it with style, for example use the slanderous labels in the DSM.

    Nah, not falling for the Devil in my ear i’m afraid, its a deadly sin.

  • True Pacific Dawn.

    I have an email here that serves as a classic example of a dog whistle slandering that comes directly from the desk of our Minister for Health. He notes on my file that I have not sought any ‘assistance’ from mental health services. I did reply and explain that in order to ‘treat’ me they would first need to recognise that I was a victim of torture, and that calling it “referral” and “detention” might be the preferred narrative, but it was also a false narrative. The facts show kidnapping and torture.
    When a Government is authorising the distribution of fraudulent documents to conceal torture though, it’s hardly surprising that the Minister finds himself badly informed. Its a wonder he gets through his days having expensive lunches with sports stars at an unknown cost to the taxpayer.
    I also asked if it was as a result of his psychologist sister being good friends (and work colleague) with the ‘spiker’ had anything to do with the covering up of these offences.
    Haven’t heard back though. Guess once he has slandered people with fraudulent documents no need to respond to any questions.
    Bit busy getting his Euthanasia Bill through. Cover ups will be easy once that is achieved. Because we all know how ‘consensual’ medical treatment is where psychiatry is involved. Take the Voluntary out of Voluntary Assisted Dying and what have you got? Another one of the Ministers word games, Because ‘coercion’ is a method available to our public officers. In fact, consider that the use of coercion is available for use on ‘partners’ as a result of HCA decision 47 (2010). So appoint partner as ‘carer’ and coerce as required. It would all appear lawful from that point on.

    Rage against the Machine 🙂

  • A bit like the one day they are chemically castrating and ECTing homosexuals and the next day they are cured and no longer require ‘treatment’, my government is going to allow people to be euthanased given certain conditions are met (ie that they fill out the forms with a ‘verbal’, and we know what will be done about that, nothing). I am assuming that one will need to obtain the stamp from a psychiatrist in order to have the ‘prescription’ filled.
    I did ask a few pharmacists about how they were going to get around the supply of chemicals used for killing people and was told the ‘blind eye’ method. Pretty much standard fare for government here anyway. Torture people and then turn away from anyone who complains.

  • Two points regarding the website you link to fnert77

    (1) it refers people to a “Blue Knot Foundation” for counselling services. For what? To be labelled and subjected to further abuses for complaining? I was told by a public officer that I would be ‘fuking destroyed’ for making a valid complaint. And let me tell you, she meant it.
    (2) It states in bold typeface that if you are suffering from any form of abuse or violence to contact police. Police do not have a copy of the Criminal Code when it comes to “patients”. How else could the rampant abuses continue? In fact you can be arrested for having documented proof of the abuse they tell me (and my daughter who was equally as flabbergasted as I). Which means that the laws relating to procurement or abuse of patients can be simply ignored, and quite possibly explains why these legal protections have never been prosecuted. One of the Commissioners should try calling police as a “patient” and see first hand where it gets them. I will post bail for them, but i’m not paying the medical bills lol

    I’m sure you saw the “Do you like that” video of police doing a ‘welfare check’ on a ‘mental patient’ attempting to withdraw from his drugs

    I would like to communicate further with you regarding some of your comments if at all possible.

  • Thanks IngrideJohnson. Good to know some countries are at least trying to provide avenues for remedy.
    I would have thought our Commission for Human Rights would have been the avenue for complaints regarding Torture, but apparently not. They tell me they don’t deal with it and refer back to the State bodies, ie the people who authorised the Torture in the first instance (“no emergency provisions”, “no superior authority”). And significantly those State bodies can not investigate where certain individuals are involved (for example a Minister). Thus if a Minister authorises the use of Torture then the complaint is effectively buried (and in some cases quite literally).
    Quite clever and i’m glad I can’t be forced into playing cards with these cheats. Oh wait, I can when they plant a knife on me. It is of course a breach of the Convention but who is looking? The UN? Took them 20 years to condemn our previous MHA as a “violation of human rights”, see you in another 20 years. A bit hypocritical criticising Saudi over Jamal Khashoggi when we are doing the same thing, only bringing people under the Mental Health Act with ‘set ups’ to make it “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction” (Article 1.1).
    I did hear that there was one of the Commissioners on the Human Rights Commission rocking the boat some time back but she has been removed now. Best they appoint someone prepared to poke themselves in the eye if they think about doing their job lol.
    Once again thanks for the info.

  • Oxymoronic language like “virtually spotless”, “light yet filling” and “military intelligence” have become standards. Phrases are redefined like “recession” to “necessary downturn”, “crude oil on a beach” to “moose”, “civilian death” to “collateral damages” and “being killed by your own army” is now called “Friendly Fire”. (Disposable Heroes of HipHoprisy Television, the drug of the Nation).
    Good point Oldhead. The language being used is important. “Unintended Negative Outcomes” lol. They were snapping peoples necks during ‘restraints’ Doc. One i’ll add to my list.

  • Missed the edit time.

    Questions I have. Where does one make a complaint about human rights abuses, in particular the use of torture? What I have found is that the State Government has no mechanism despite it being required under the Convention to resolve complaints on matters of torture. Instead they rely on the ‘refoulment’ of anyone who has been tortured. Where does one go with issues of refoulment?
    How many people are being tortured by the exploitation of the loophole of not torture if it is “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction”? So for example in my instance ‘spiking’ my drink with benzodiazepines and planting a knife for police to find is enough to overcome this protection against the use of torture. Off we go (the techniques used at Guantanamo are now lawful and seen as ‘coercive’ rather than torture) and any complaints drive them insane with gaslighting (their families will assist in this once you threaten them). Further refoulment but hey, in for a penny, in for a pound it would seem. And believe me when the government starts torturing people don’t rely on your friends or the frauds who claim they will stand up for human rights, they run like Hell. Hypocrites they are described as in my Book. They will use their oaths as a cover.
    What good are these Conventions and Human Rights if there is no access to a remedy (cheers Jim:) and the people with a duty to perform keep chanting the words “insufficient evidence” despite the burden of proof being easily met? This criminal negligence will of course come back to bite them eventually when a ‘favour’ is needed by another corrupt public official wishing to lay blame elsewhere. But they don’t seem to see that far ahead.

  • Thankyou Jann,
    One of my fellow countrymen suggested that I look at what was occurring in Germany because in his opinion they were getting it right. So as you can imagine I am surprised to hear what your saying. I thought perhaps history had resulted in people realising how things can get out of control very quickly.
    I’m glad to hear you encourage criticism. I note that one way of testing the integrity of persons who would abuse positions of power is identifying when they make mistakes, and how they act to resolve them.
    In my instance the people who “made the mistake” of identifying me as having the status of “patient” knew what they were doing was criminal, otherwise they would not have known which documents to conceal, and how to send fraudulent documents to lawyers and have them slander me to my whole community. This is very easily proved by allowing my lawyers to tell me who they think my doctor was, something they claim they can not do for reasons of confidentiality (What? I can’t know who my doctor is? Or what drugs I can be ‘spiked’ with and by whom?)This demonstrates an evil of the heart, not just the mind (and therefore not your area of expertise). And it gets even worse when one examines what was done and by whom when those fraudulent documents were identified and exposed. My don’t the rats run for cover when you lift the lid and expose them.
    Still we can’t have the public knowing that while the Cat was away, the mice turned to Rats. The Chief Psychiatrist and Minister totally derelict in their duty to protect the public from Organised Criminals operating in our hospitals. This is the issue with the cost of cover ups being cheaper that litigation (how much for a hot shot in an Emergency Department versus compensation for torture and kidnapping?) And 8 years later the new Minister still using the same fraudulent and slanderous documents to ensure I am denied any access to effective legal representation.
    It says in the Hagakure that if one makes a mistake it is best that one corrects themselves as quickly as possible when it is demonstrated to them. This way if anyone else comes to you and says you made a mistake, you can reply by telling them, yes, and I have done all I can to correct my error what else is there to say? Behaving ethically and with honor has not been their strong point to say the least. In my instance as I state 8 years on and they are still concealing the truth with falsehoods. And the public are not aware and continue to vote for these frauds?
    Still, I wish you well with your endeavours, as i’m sure you do me in my search for a place where truth is preferred to lies, and healing rather than torture and maiming/killing to maintain a falsehood for profit.

  • This sounds a lot like the posters on the walls at the hospital who subjected me to 7 hours of torture after lying to police and having me snatched from my bed after I was drugged without my knowledge. “We Value” and “Mission Statements” such as showing dignity to “patients” and having processes in place for complaints.
    And then when you make a complaint, it’s investigated and found that the complainant was wronged your told by the Operations Manager that they will Fuking Destroy you if you keep complaining. Then they begin with slandering you with fraudulent documents which 8 years later are still being relied on by the current Minister for Health to further slander you in order to ensure their reputation is not harmed by exposing their criminal conduct and human rights abuses. What reputation? If it weren’t for the fact they are terrorizing our community they would know what is being said behind their backs. Mock executions and threats of pack rape seen as being ‘coercive methods’ and ‘poor choice of words’ by our police. “We don’t have a copy of the Criminal Code” at a large metropolitan police station. (And i’m supposed to believe that Sargent?). Though it does ensure that the organised criminals giving instructions to police are enabled. Call him a doctor if you like Sargent but you might want to check the documents before doing what your told. Save having to say later when I tell you about the failed attempt to unintetionally negatively outcome me that “it might be best you don’t know about that”. With no Criminal Code though failing to perform your duty might not be a crime either? Pervert? Nah, off to another kangaroo court called the CCC
    As far as these United Nation declarations and stuff goes my country is throwing them out as we write. The CRPD made a statement that the Mental Health Laws in my country were a violation of human rights and that the treatments may constitute torture. That statement was neutralised by writing new Mental Health Laws that now permit teens to consent to ECTs and whilst they failed with the ability to sterilize children without parental consent, i’m sure they have a loophole they can rely on working.
    Our Prime Minister is currently making the claim that we do not want International bodies telling us what we should do, something that has always been popular rhetoric (and i’m sure those who remember German history would recognise). Enabling human rights abuses and torture always sounds good until its you being subjected to it. Anyway, we should have our Euthanasia Bill rushed through parliament in record time soon. They took longer over the Animal Welfare Act. Still, horse racing is the sport of Kings eh?
    Under our laws the punishment for abusing an animal is double what it is for the abuse of a mental patient. And they have actually prosecuted cases of animal abuse, something that can not be said of abuse of mental patients. This despite people being left in their own faeces for hours on end to punish their ‘bad behaviour’. They even took her leg braces away so she couldn’t get out of the bed. Horror stories galore and not one prosecution.
    Lets hope these are not more empty words

  • They were pretty good with their times in my instance. Mind you I did start making complaints about Occupational health and Safety issues relating to their buildings. A water cooler that was obviously wired up to the electric giving people shocks when they touched it being a bit of a laugh in the smoking area. The things you do for entertainment in these places lol
    What they didn’t do was tell me that they could only hold me for 6 hours once I had asked to leave. A little negligence in their duty goes a long way at times. And I note they stamped my paperwork saying I had been informed of my ‘rights’ (what rights? You don’t really have any with frauds filling out paperwork like that) It was really fortunate that I did that anyway or else I would have been banged up for the weekend and probably had a ‘chemical restraint’ administered to silence me.
    I have seen them discharge people for a day and not tell them and then put them on forms again to be able to hold them for another year. Denies them access to the Tribunal, which in many cases is a kangaroo court anyway.

  • Hi Jim,

    I have looked at our Mental Health Act and find this Section to be relevant to what I am asking.

    S.36 Detaining Referred Person in an Authorised Hospital.

    (3) being received into an authorised hospital under this section (s.29) is not admission for the purposes of this Act.

    A bit like being arrested and charged by police does not make one a “prisoner”. So in my instance I was never admitted to the authorised hospital and therefore NEVER a “patient” and this slander that is being distributed about me should end. Not the case though because then they would have to view the spiking and planting of evidence as criminal offences and they don’t like that narrative. They hate the truth that they are kidnappers and torturers, and by threatening and intimidating witnesses they don’t have to face the truth. One would imagine that given these matters have been investigated by some people with an understanding of the law someone would have noticed?
    That knocks down the “patient” straw man (slander) as far as i’m concerned,

  • I always see this as being a three card monte Eric.

    One of my lecturers at Uni pointed out to us a model that examined Stated and Unstated Aims/Intended and Unintended Consequences. By not stating your real aims and claiming that the negative consequences were unintended one can deceive the general population quite easily.

    More recent experience has shown me that doctors in Emergency Depts are in a position where they have both means and opportunity, and if they can deny motive will not be charged with the killing of citizens. A sophisticated knowledge of the law one of our Heads of the Medical Association calls this. Unintended negative outcomes is what the Coroner calls them. Hot Shots is what they are called to Organised Criminals. Side effects to the General Public. And our newspapers can be charged with criminal offences if they publish anything about it being done. What sort of world is it when speaking the truth is a crime? Which can then be ‘verballed’ and used to slander the person speaking the truth? Can’t say they weren’t warned. Live by the sword, die by it.

    Rushed legislation is bad legislation. But they need to get their Euthanasia Bill through before Christmas. And please don’t let their be an Election before they get it through, we don’t want the public voting on it. They simply don’t understand how difficult a job it is keeping a lid on this level of corruption. And they don’t want Muslim women ‘covering up’?
    Truth makes you Free

  • Actually, above I make the statement

    It is fascinating that once a person becomes a “patient” that this criminal conspriring becomes ‘medicine’ designed to ‘help’ the victim”

    Our Mental Health Act has a clause that means that the “referred person” does not become a “patient” until they are examined by a psychiatrist and it is deemed that they need to be treated in a hospital. This supposed ‘legal protection’ is designed to ensure people are NOT treated as ‘”patients” until they are deemed to meet the criteria. But the folk at the hospital know how much of a rubber stamp process this is that they are into you boots and all before you even see a psychiatrist. It’s like they try to make you as sick as possible to ensure you meet the ‘standards’ (whatever that is). The “referred person” is to be held at the place where the examination can be done, but for the purposes of the Act is “not a patient”. Explicit not implied.
    Further problem for the people who snatched me from my bed, because I was NEVER a “patient”. Psychiatrist released me with no charge. But minus any effective legal representation they can continue to slander me and nothing will be done. Matters nought to me now, my life has been totally demolished (with malicious intent on the part of the hospital Operations Manager who did inform me she would ‘fuking destroy’ me for complaining. Little did I know the Law Centre ‘representing’ me was working with her)but its your families next.
    Patient, and wife beater. I guess i’d rather be falsely accused of being a “patient” and wife beater (with others knowing the truth) than be a fraud and a slanderer (with others knowing the truth).

  • Hi Jam (just kidding),

    Yes, I understand that they need to be examined once delivered to the hospital, but my interest was more regarding the finger point in the first instance.
    So for example a psychologist who has not seen a person for 2 years can not simply call mental health services or police and request that they deliver the person to a hospital for an examination by a psychiatrist because they want it done. They would surely need to meet some form of burden? I know it states a ‘preponderance of evidence’, which in my instance was ‘man asleep in his bed, referred to mental health services’
    This in my instance was the reason for spiking and planting a knife and cannabis, because they were fully aware that they did not meet the burden and would be kidnapping/conspiring if the Community Nurse did their duty and reported the spiking to police. Lucky for them he was corrupt and would prefer to have his targets ‘set up’ with criminal conspiring. Its fascinating that once a person becomes a “patient” that this criminal conspiring becomes ‘medicine’ designed to ‘help’ the victim. Another discussion entirely.
    Glad to hear you don’t have this level of corruption where you are, it gives one hope that there are places where people do their duty and do not conceal the truth with falsehood because they Hate the truth. Quite shocking the things people will do for money to be honest
    I mean I don’t wish to be rude to the frauds given the things i’ve seen them do to people and call it medicine but…… if I wish to leave my wife its a decision I really don’t need to be examined by a psychiatrist for. I’d like to be able to walk out the door before she succeeds in planting the knife into my chest whilst I lay on a couch. She thinks otherwise and considers my decision a ‘mental illness’ that requires ‘treatment’ and hence the spiking and planting of a knife. Now I ask is this the person who should be allowed to make referrals? Or should she be allowed to pay a psychologist 200 to tell her how to ‘arrange’ a police referral? Because I can see a business venture here personally.
    You don’t wish to speak to a ‘mental health professional’ Boans, we are going to make you. Difficult to plant a knife on someone when awake so spike them first. This allows police to cause an ‘acute stress reaction’ by pointing weapons at you and whats the two things you SHOULD NOT DO to a person suffering an ‘acute stress reaction’? Give them benzos and force them to talk. Ie torture them. I did make it clear to the Community Nurse that I did not wish tospeak to him, but he has police to ‘assist’ him make me talk with tazers so ….. a little home delivered ECT loosens the lips.
    Glad the psychiatrist figured out there was nothing wrong with me instead of writing down the effects of the spiking as symptoms (like the SMO did) I would have thought the Community Nurse had a duty to inform the psychiatrist who examined me that I had been spiked with benzos, but he was of course concealing this fact from a number of people. And all of those involved in arranging the spiking not one of them has prescribing rights.
    All very confusing really, and fortunate that people are still falling for three card montes. Police are absolute stooges being used to do kidnappings for this guy effectively.
    AHPRA, no problems with this

  • My Government has got covering up down to a fine art anomie. Oh what i’d give for access to effective legal representation

    As I’ve stated elsewhere they have the right to ‘coerce’ attorneys, doctors and priests in order to have them breach confidentiality. Most seem to be prepared to tell them what they want to know when their families are being threatened. (Ses for example Gobbo a lawyer who was also acting as a paid police informant)
    Then we have the newpapers/journalists who are not allowed to publish anything that the government doesn’t want published lest they be sent to prison. They even collectively printed a blank front page last week protesting their lack of rights to publish information from whistleblowers.
    Our Prime Minister claims we need to strike the right balance. This seems to be that wholesale corruption ion our hospital system is a no go for publication, and they have said that this particular area is one that they are being silenced on.
    The right to know? When it’s completely out of control, and they are doing nothing more than cover ups? It will take some brave journalist to expose that without ending up being unintentionally negatively outcomed, and have his/her family ‘fuking destroyed’.
    So, denied access to legal representation, denied access to a voice, denied access to your own property and family, denied access to your human and civil rights its not looking good.
    I know that the things I have written here sound as if I may be mistaken and in fact i’ve been positively slandered for some of it. But let me say that if you don’t check first you might find that things are a lot worse than you thought.
    The State government has been tying their corruption up in the State watchdog as a means to silence anyone who is the victim of corrupt public officers, Its fairly easy to do. And goes against everything it was set up to do in the first place. Even the PM has labelled them ‘kangaroo courts’.
    What I find disgusting in my instance is that they have even managed to silence the use of a known method of torture. This despite ratifying the Convention which has a clause stating there is “no superior authority” and “no emergency provisions”. The State watchdog would be breaching the Convention by holding up any complaint about the use of torture. Still, not a lot of complaints about the Waffen SS got thorough to the authorities either. The words “insufficient evidence” are the standard outcome despite having what a lawyer called “proof” (note not evidence but proof). You know like the documents that say I was spiked with benzos that the police were set to retrieve? How corrupt does it need to get? Its clever using hospitals to torture and kll any inconvenient truths and it is obviously alluring for governments who find themselves in positions where they might be embarrassed, and with the Devil in your ear that theres a means to silence it all available …… glad it’s not me being tempted.

    Being able to do cover ups by killing people in hospital Emergency Depts is highly effective though. Especially when the reporters are aware it is going on and can’t write a damn word about it. It’s being left to doctors who “don’t have the stomach for it” to pick up on when its going to be done and interrupting the outcoming. It’s quite surreal to explain this stuff to police only to have them tell you “it might be best I don’t know about that”. This because pursuing euthanasing “patients” is “not in the public interest” The proverbial ‘blind eye’.

  • I don’t know how clear my comment above is but the way this works is that in my State police can’t simply turn up at your door and drag you away to a hospital because a psychologist you spoke to 30 years before wants you force drugged and locked in a cage. So this creates a problem if a doctor wants you force drugged and locked in a cage because the law protects you. (Or is this the situation you quote in your paper of a “right without a remedy?”)
    However if you are in police custody they can make a referral to Mental Health Services and if they just happpen t be there when police jump you in your bed well whats the chances of that? So plant what the police require to detain. Problem, target will notice. Render unconscious with benzos. Problem, intoxication by deception. It’s okay, frauds at hospital will conceal evidence of crime, and “fuking destroy” the complainant.
    Of course there is also the protection that the Community Nurse who just happens to be there MUST refer to the treating psychiatrist (this is the evidence that the person has a mental illness under the Act). But what if there is no treating psychiatrist? Then the detention is unlawful. This created a major problem for the people who conspired against me, with them trying to have me ask a doctor for a back dated referral. We need you to be a “patient” to remove your human and civil rights Boans. Otherwise we might be seen as crimminals and our attempt to ‘help’ you by drugging you and subjecting you to 7 hours of interrogation whilst drugged without your knowledge with someone elses drugs and planting a knife on you for police might be seen as ….. vile. I mean they did discuss the possibility of police shooting me and decided that all care (due diligence) had been taken to ensure they were justified in killing me because I had a knife. Credit where credit is due.

    So refusing to speak with a person who is going to fabricate evidence to incarcerate you and force drug you means you can be drugged with a date rape drug without your knowledge and then subjected to an ‘acute stress reaction’ (ie police pointing weapons at you demanding your attention) in order to force you to speak to them during an interrogation. They then conceal the evidence that you have been spiked with a date rape drug and slander you with the ‘paranoid delusional’ label for claiming you have been spiked?
    Might I suggest a quick look at Article 1.1 of the Convention against the use of Torture at this point? The assault being the spiking. Its just so difficult to get people to speak to them when it is known they are ‘verballing’ statements and people are being wrongfully convicted and worse, ending up dribbling in a cell for no other reason that doctor wants it to be so.
    I also assume you know what I mean by ‘verballing’. The corrupt practice of completing sworn statements with 1% of the truth and being wreckless as to the truth knowing that it will mislead anyone examining the document. A breach of s.16 (1) of our Oaths, Affidavits and Statutory Declarations Act. Not that anyone round here has the slightest respect for the law. Its not even an obstacle to overcome anymore, just ignore it and it goes away.

  • Mr Gottstein
    I read with interest your paper posted above, and in particular page 70 regarding Sec 47.30.705 where you state that
    “any peace officer, physician, psychiatrist, or licensed clinical psychologist may cause another person to be taken into custody and delivered to a hospital, without any court involvement at all, if he has “probable cause to believe [the] person is suffering from mental illness and is gravely disabled or is likely to cause serious harm to self or others of such immediate nature that considerations of safety do not allow initiation of involuntary commitment procedures [under section] 47.30.700 [of the Alaska Statutes].”
    Under our old Mental Health Act there was a time limit for referral placed on these peace officers, physicians, psychiatrist or licenced clinical psychologists of having to have personally examined the target within the prior 48 hours. I assume the reasons for this are self explanitory.
    Is this also the case in Alaska?
    The reason I ask is that what is being done to obtain these “Peace Officer referrals” where I live is that they arrange to spike the target with benzos before planting a knife and some cannabis on them and then having police jump them and make referral to Authorised Mental Health Professionals. Ie police detain under s.68e of the Criminal Code and then refer to Mental Health services based on a false allegation by mental health services that the target has a mental illness (police require a suspicion on reasonable grounds that target has a mental illness to refer under s. 98? Of the MHA, and not that they are asleep because of being spiked with benzos and prepped with the use of a ‘throwdown’) They then (MH services) ‘verbal’ statutory declarations and you are then baited until justification for a ‘chemical restraint’ is achieved (a fairly low standard usually consisting of the target saying the word “no”). This overcomes the difficulties created by not having personally examined the target in the previous 48 hours as required by law and subverts the protections afforded the public. It also in my opinion constitutes a number of serious criminal offences (procuring the detention of a person not suffering from a mental illness is a crime in my State) but as long as one can continue to divert the complainant to kangaroo medical boards they’re good to keep snatching citizens from their homes arbitrarily.
    Its just that the way this process is described in your paper it would appear that targets can be snatched with a point of a finger. Hardly the impression one gets of the land of the free.
    I’m not a lawyer but I would have thought that if I got together with another person and planned to spike someones drink with a date rape drug to make it easy to plant evidence for police to find and justify transporting them against their will to a hospital I would be conspiring to stupefy and commit an indictable offence, namely kidnapping. The people who did this to me thought so also. Fortunately the police who seem to appreciate the evidence being planted for them can’t find their copy of the Criminal Code so they are good to go with these offences. Police are not even interested in what they tried to do to resolve this dilemma they found themselves in preferring to tell me “it might be best they didn’t know” about the interupted unintended negative outcome that had been arranged in an Emergency Dept.
    I can not begin to tell you how effective the fraudulent slander contained in the statutory declaration ois to those who prefer not to examine the truth. Mental patient and wife beater all created via false statements which result in no action being taken despite zero evidence to support the claims. Even my own wife stated she said no such thing but that isn’t enough for them to identify the slander and correct their error. If I was allowed access to a lawyer I’d have them put up or shut up but obtaining effective legal representation is impossible when they are knifing their ‘clients’ in the back for authorities

  • “A real advocate”?

    The Mental Health Law Centre where I live conspires with authorities to conceal criminal offences. They are quite prepared to accept fraudulent documents and then throw victims under a bus with claims they don’t know what a burden of proof is. And then of course any attorney you approach gives them a call to further slander you. When they say “there may be things we can’t discuss with you” they’re talking about the fact that they are not actually acting as your advocate but ensuring that when the knife goes in to your back it hits home. Disgraceful people whom i hope sue me for speaking the truth, because I have a defense. And I don’t think the Chief Psychiatrist is too impressed with their uttering of documents purporting to be from his desk. More cover ups, when does it all end?
    I can not believe that the response to my complaint was written by the Chief Psychiatrist, he believes that AMHP s can travel through time and space and read minds? No, this was done on instructions from someone else right? Start with getting his name wrong and head downhill from there. The reason for the delay (of 14 months) was because the manager was on holidays over Christmas. Regarding the drink spiking with benzos I dunno, nobody wrote down what they did so I guess its a mystery forever more. And I’ve rewritten the law to enable arbitrary detentions of citizens because those stupid law makers have got no idea how difficult it can be when citizens need to be shut up. Nah, he isn’t that stupid and nor were the people at the Council of Official Visitors who took his offensive letter to him, and then ran away. Wasn’t your huh Doc? The frauds at the Law Centre acting on instructions?
    Yep, I don’t think anymore, I know. Conspiring to pervert the course of justice. Well, except these people are above the law and will under no circumstances be held to account. They won’t even deal with the Nurse who is authorising the use of known torture methods and kidnapping folk by procuring police services with ‘throw downs’ and ‘spikings’.
    I mean given the way I feel about psychiatry I wish it was the Chief Psychiatrist but ….. credit where credit is due. This was people who were out to conceal crimes, and it was designed to cause me serious harm, by people with an intimate knowledge. They sure have got him a bad name around town though lol. Coz a lot of people have looked at ‘his’ letter and must be thinking “What? This is absolute rubbish” More than thinking it, i’ve heard them say it lol.
    Section 28 of the Corruption and Crime Commission Act. Mandatory reporting of suspected offences carrying a prison term of more than 2 years. Serious misconduct if you don’t report. Procuring the apprehension or detention of a person (ie Me) not suffering from a mental illness, prison tern 3 years. Hmmmm One of these things belongs with the other one Doc.

    If that weren’t bad enough our newspapers are sitting on a bunch of hospital cover ups that have been silenced by the government. Not in the public interest to know whats really going on in our hospitals, despite the fact that its us paying for it.
    I wouldn’t be too quick to place my trust in attorney in my State anytime soon. Because they are not representing their clients but the interests of power and priviledge. Still, by the time folk figure it out they can always claim “it was soooo long ago”

  • I recall hearing a guy talking about terrorism and making the claim that it needs to be defined in a specific way so that when “they” do it it is terrorism, but when “we” do it it’s not. Setting up of double standards.
    And then I look at the wording of the “Assisted Dying Bill” before our Parliament at present. Of course we are not allowed to call it a Euthanasia Bill because of the negative associations with the thing we are not allowed to compare it to. And the propaganda machine (I mean free press) are complying with that request.

    Mind you, when they tried to include the forced sterilization of children without parental consent in our Mental Health Act it did get published. Mainly overseas though and it was outside pressure that had it removed (Thanks to whoever it was that helped) It was fairly obvious that this was to be done on ‘racial’ lines, or would it just be a coincidence that it was indigenous people?

  • I liked the words of Pte Joker in Full Metal Jacket. Standing over a pit full of limed ‘re-educated’ Vietnamese people he thinks to himself “the dead know only one thing, it is better to be living”.
    Hey look at that, i’m getting good with this twisting of language stuff. Brain damage becomes medicine, euthanasia becomes Voluntary Assisted Dying and political killings becomes re-education. My Minister for Health would be proud.

  • I dunno about that either Doc.

    Seems to me that part of being human is to do the best you can with what your given. Take for example Viktor Frankl. Was he a Kapo?

    My point though was that if this type of system is to be used, lets be sure it is for the right purposes and not done as a means to futher brutalise people who are already in need of assistance. I know my personal experiences with these so called peer workers has been both positive and negative.

    On the points made by Nijinsky its said a lot better than i’ll ever say it. I can’t even explain in plain English to the authorities that I was not a “patient” and therefore I was kidnapped and tortured not referred and detained. More false narratives from the people who brought you such products as ECT and brain damaging drugs as medicine. Or maybe the kangaroo courts set up to give the appearance of fairness prefer a certain type of false narrative. The Jack Boot is just so effective in silencing complaints. Ask the hospital Manager who investigated my complaint and told me they would “fuking destroy” me if I spoke anymore about their vile conduct. Getting them all a good name, as people who terrorize their victims.

    Is it the case for psychiatry (and the drug companies) that like the American military involvement in Iraq that “we don’t do body counts”?

  • Yes Rosalee it’s certainly worth looking in to if your interested in how these people are subjecting folk to psychological harm and then claiming that it is something “Internal” causing it.
    I have had something of a revelation myself in the past couple of days. You speak about the lying, twisting of facts and manipulation that goes on. In my Book the question is asked on a number of occasions “why do ye conceal truth with falsehood?”And we are told “not to conceal truth with falsehood” which seems fairly obvious but what do we do about those who do this? Of course the answer was there right under my nose lol Why do these people cover the truth with falsehood? Because they HATE THE TRUTH.
    For example in my instance they have concealed the fact that they have kidnapped and tortured a citizen for no other reason basically than they can. Sound bizarre until you examine the truth but …. They had the truth taken to them by me and they do not like it. So what do they do? They conceal the truth with the falsehood that I was a “patient” which is a highly effective form of slander. As most people here who have been slandered with these labels would know. Note, when they speak about the stigma associated with these labels they are admitting that what they are doing is slanderous. If you want to stop the stigma, stop the slander.

    What to do about it? The Book is very clear on these matters.
    Let me repeat that for all.

    THEY HATE THE TRUTH THAT THEY ARE KIDNAPPERS AND TORTURERS SO THEY CONCEAL IT WITH FALSEHOODS.

    If one had the courage to look at what happened to me they would start minus the assumption that I was a “patient”. This reveals the truth. But they do not like this truth and so have committed acts of negligence, fraud and slander to conceal it. And one would be more than surprised by whom has committed these heinous acts.

    Take the truth to them and place it at their feet and do not let them deny it on their day of judgement. Document it and have faith that someday they will be brought to justice. It is a test of THEIR integrity, not yours as to whether they join forces with those who hate the truth. And it will eat away at those who fail like a cancer.

  • And those who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat it I think I heard some smart guy say sometime.

    “Facile, polemic and inaccurate” Perhaps, but I was given a diagnosis for being “verbose”, and really don’t understand your terms. What I do understand is that in this system you describe as a bit of a mess, they are certainly looking for ways to save money and have they not in some ways adopted a system which looks awfully like the one used by the National Socialists?
    And while I don’t expect anyone to believe me Doc, one of your colleagues did try to knock me in an emergency department. I realise its not on a massive scale but I kinda liked my life the way it was before I was kidnapped, tortured and then they tried to knock me for complaining. Paranoid? You might want to check before slapping a slanderous label on me and drugging me to oblivion. Because once they did look it wasn’t just me who had been lined up for some unintended negative outcoming’. Lets start the count 1, 2, 3, 4, ….. Oh a ‘Bad Apple” an “isolated Incident”. Can’t blame the Doctor, his wife didn’t want to go to prison and ….. what would you do?
    That type of total disregard for the sanctity of life should be dealt with in my Book, not covered up by a Governement that has virtually no control over this industry out of control. And yeah, i’ve heard the excuses that i’m not a doctor and wouldn’t understand. Understand what? Those words that were delivered to Moses, thou shalt not kill? But we’ve found a loophole, were going to call it Voluntary Assisted Dying and make it sound humane. A slippery slope indeed especially with a Chief Psychiatrist who doesn’t even recognise the protections of the Mental Health Act
    From little things big things grow huh?

  • Yes it has been difficult to contain the rage Sarah, especially when that has been the aim of these folk to drive me insane and then justify harming me. Oh well, I guess they just haven’t managed to figure things out yet, i’m certain that with time they will see where my rage has been directed and what effect it has on them. Or maybe they will see out their time in ignorant bliss thinking that what they are doing is actually ‘medicine’ Real doctors of course know otherwise but its best these lunatics are contained somewhere, and for now its mental health services.

    Yesterday I received a response to a complaint to the Australian Health Practitioners Regulation Agency (AHPRA) who I have been directed to by people who think that conspiring to torture and kidnap is a ‘medical issue’ because they falsely call me “patient”. No checking mind you we just want that to be the truth and therefore it is. Our politicians have been quoted lately regarding drink spiking as saying it is “abhorrent and extremely dangerous” and a “serious matter”. And yet here I have a letter from AHPRA claiming they have no problem with a Community Nurse who has no prescribing powers authorising the spiking of citizens drinks to make his job a little easier when he wants to help a little lady out. Mind you i’m sure he is doing this for the pack rapists at his football club too so it isn’t a gender specific thing.
    These people really should be upholding community standards and values I think, and yet they simply don’t give a damn about the harm this man is doing with his fraud and slander (till its their family I assume). It is patently apparent that “the Board” who made the decision don’t know anything about the referral process, or what does and does not constitute a “patient”. Big bold letters on the documents I provided pointing this out and yet off they go with the false narrative after trying to muddy the waters a bit. And yet here they are making such important decisions? I’d be concerned if I were relying on these negligent fools personally.
    I must say though that one of their employees I spoke to did say it was a “kangaroo court” and that they are simply a front to give the appearance of complaints being acted upon. Still, its the same health system they have to use too and what goes around comes around. And according to my Book they must be given every opportunity to make ammends before any action is taken against them. Test their integrity so to speak.
    Anyway, thanks for replying and I look forward to reading more of your work..

  • It seems to me that Mental Health Services were designed around the boxes that held Seligmans dogs.

    If one takes a look at the theory he developed around attributions Mental Health Services result in the very attitudes that cause suicide and hopelessness.

    Your illness is “internal”, “uncontrollable” and “global”. These were the factors he identified as resulting in hopelessness. Seemed to me that being spiked and having a knife planted on me for police was “external”, “controllable” and “situational”. The ensuing brutality resulted in what has been labelled “illness”. Clever little trick but also criminal. Not that the law is of any use in my country, perverted beyond recognition.

    Seligman did also help out the ‘interrogators’ at Guantanamo soooo borrow his books, don’t buy them lol

  • In my instance Pacific Dawn, the lawyers were acting as one of the tentacles of the apparatus.

    They claimed to be acting as my representatives, found out what I had and informed the hospital what evidence needed to be retrieved before throwing me under a bus with their slander and criminal conduct. They conspired to pervert the course of justice, and compound or conceal evidence of a criminal offence, namely intoxication by deception, and on….. Do you think the government will hold them to account when it is the government who is benefiting from such unethical and criminal conduct? Not to mention the benefits to Doctors and Insurance companies when access to effective legal representation is denied.

    As far as political activists go, one guy I spoke to who was telling me about how brave he was began telling me about how what he witnessed whilst we were at the police station “never happened”. This despite an email he had sent me weeks before he was told to shut his mouth. I mean I had no idea I could be arrested for having documents that proved I had been spiked with benzos before interrogation. And I guess with the power to threaten and intimidate citizens families it did “never happen”. I’ve found when the going gets tough, the tough go shopping.

    So where do we turn when the whole apparatus is corrupted?

  • I just got off the phone with my Union whom I have been paying money to for years. They tell me that they are not interested what happens to their members if it doesn’t involve something at their workplace. Well, it does but they don’t like that they referred me to a lawyer whose conduct has been negligent to put it mildly. So like an insurance company that doesn’t want to pay out when someone has an accident they find a loophole and throw you under the bus. I will never support a Union again.

    Just struck me that when you needed support most Amanda, they really did let you down. Like my Government here in Australia torturing citizens and pointing the finger at other governments for doing the same thing. And the cowards who hide while enabling this conduct disgust me. They expect me to fight and die for their rights, while they ignore mine with their negligence, fraud and slander?

    Hypocrites is what they are, and when needed they turn and run. They take their oaths as a cover, and have no intention of doing their duty when required. They have a disease of the heart.

    Wish you luck with your recovery.

  • It hasn’t always been like this though Sarah.

    I think it was Nietzsche who described us as “insignificant Insects”, an attitude taken up by the National Socialists in Germany during the 1940s. It seems to be resurfacing certainly in our culture here in Australia. We always were a bit right wing trying to commit genocide with our aboriginal population (something that has been put on pause whilst we gain their trust to exploit once again I note). Our White Australia policy is still there though if you scratch the surface a little. Just look at our “unrepresentative swill” in Parliament.
    I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that all this talk about climate change is going to result in the need for some natural selection and culling. Once again humans are going to want to have a method of selecting certain individuals for profit extraction and well …..voluntary assisted dying (Nothing voluntary about medicine in my country, and assisted dying is much longer to say than killing so why do they twist these words?).
    Funny but I had a number of conversations with a psychologist whose husband is a psychiatrist and she seemed so fixated on this genetic testing she was subjecting her children to. Gawd I hope she wasn’t looking for evidence that they had Jewish ancestry. Here we go again.
    Arsenals of weapons that require little manpower, purchased with what aim? Do we intend going to war with others? Or with ourselves?
    While the Cats away ……. the mice turn to Rats.

  • It always confused me why the Law Centre didn’t want the documents I had that proved the ‘spiking’. Of course what they were doing was finding out what I had before working with the hospital Operations Manager to conceal their criminal offences.
    They uncover the fact that I had been kidnapped and tortured and then offer to assist by writing a complaint to the Office of the Chief Psychiatrist. Once this is done it is not sent, but instead they draft a response that is designed to do maximum psychological damage to the victim, and hand it to me and claim “we don’t have the resources to read this letter of response”. Which is lucky because it shows the Chief Psychiatrist doesn’t know what a burden of proof is, and believes that a Community Nurse can travel through time and space and read minds. Happy to share if anyone is interested.
    Once I receive this poison pen letter I respond by asking the Law Centre wtf? But from this point on all roads lead to Rome. Any other lawyers I contact automatically contact the Law Centre and they slander me with the fraudulent documents they have obtained from the hospital.
    Police assist in the retrieval of the documents I have proving the ‘spiking’ and the wound is stitched up and the criminals go free. Oh wait, the attempt to kill me in the ED, of course the Minister and Law Centre weren’t aware of that right? You guys really should get your heads together because their are lives to be saved. No need to kill him we’ve done a cover up. But interesting to see where the person who explained to my wife how to spike me and plant a knife for police to obtain a referral reacted to the possibility that police would do their duty.
    Imagine the luck of her having a husband who was a psychiatrist in the very same hospital where they were rudely interrupted during an unintended negative outcoming. The look on your face Doc waaahahahahah. Still, if I didn’t have the documents then I was a paranoid delusional claiming i’d been drugged without my knowledge. This on top of the vicious psychological attack aided and abetted by my wife …….
    Good medical people? Take a look if you dare.
    I can only imagine what the Chief Psychiatrist thought when his ‘letter of response’ got back to him from the Council of Official Visitors. (I loved their response to me, we’ll take this to the Emperor and tell him he has no clothes. Woops, sorry we didn’t read the documents you sent us and here we are returning them by email lol. Sorry on your own pal.)
    And the Law Centre? I’ve got letters and emails from them showing that their lawyers are beyond incompetent, they are a danger to self or other if they do not understand what a burden of proof is. They should be shut down if what they are doing involves this type of conduct. Families are going to them for assistance with their loved ones only to be subjected to criminal fraud and slander when it suits the hospital? And usually after being subjected to vile treatment from hospital staff. Like the Operations Manager who told me they would fuking destroy me for complaining about being kidnapped and tortured. Such power and supported by our community in her destruction of families. Is it really fair that the public is exposed to such incompetence?
    Would they allow a Doctor to continue to practice if he/she didn’t know what an infection was? Still, at the rate it takes these authorities to act they are good to go for at least the next ten years while they sort it out, and then they are severely limited in the action they can take. No more free pens from the drug companies lol.
    Accountability? There is none. Complaints are misdirected to ensure that no action is taken, and these organised criminals are left to operate in our hospitals at taxpayers expense.

  • I can only imagine that the reason that police find “insufficient evidence” is that it is the only way to obstruct justice and ensure that those who conspired to pervert the course of justice are not held to account. This has required the threatening of a psychologist and his family, and all other witnesses to what have been serious criminal offences all the way along the line.
    Conspire to stupefy and commit an indictable offence namely kidnapping.
    Intoxication by deception.
    Procure the apprehension/detention of person not suffering from mental illness.
    Torture
    Conspire to compound or conceal evidence of criminal offence.
    Criminal fraud
    Attempt to murder.
    And on………
    And look at that, all you have to do is ignore your duty (another offence) and the first domino doesnt fall and its get out of jail free time. No wonder police were desperate to know who else had the documents. And of course we can’t have criminals who are conspiring to pervert by pretending to be the Chief Psychiatrist (yes I know Ms B) going to jail. You’ve made him look like an idiot Ms B. Only one person I know that had the ability and knowledge to produce that fraudulent letter of response from the Chief Psychiatrist, you. You gaslighting many victims of these organised criminals to suicide Ms B? Talk about exploiting your position as a lawyer. Lucky you have support in doing that from the Government eh?
    Someone must be really concerned that an honest cop might take a look. Whats the chances of that? It’s the torture that is the kicker, no superior authority. The rest of it and they could exercise discretionary. So who is the person doing the obstruction here?
    Minister is misdirecting my complaint to a ‘medical’ authority. Why, it seems fairly obvious to me that spiking someone with benzos is a criminal matter. And I have been told by a lawyer that I have the “proof”. So is the ‘medical’ authority going to investigate and find that the SMO authorised the spiking 12 hours AFTER it was done? That’d be a criminal matter too right? Compund or conceal evidence of a crime? Ah yes but it was so long ago and so many people went to the trouble of fiddling with the documents and making it look like you were a “patient” Boans so that it wasn’t torture and the destruction of your family and life were then justified. No longer torture, we call it subject to lawful sanction after we plant stuff for police to find and get the ball rolling so to speak.
    Protections under the Mental Health Act? A people who value a Rule of Law? I think not.
    I flip the bird to all those who have been backstabbing, and going along with what they know is criminal. You all disgust me, and quite possibly yourselves. Must be difficult to look in the mirror knowing you turned your back on a torture victim. Sure, justify it because they threatened you. Tell it to the Padre people

  • “If this stuff speaks to you and you’re in a lot of pain, you don’t need to wait for the rest of this series to come out”

    If your in a lot of pain my government is going to allow doctors to off you. I’ve not got a lot of confidence in the “legal protections” being offered with regards this Euthanasia Bill, given the failure of authorities to recognise and enforce the ones contained in the Mental Health Act. A little bit of fraud can go a long way, especially in a country that ignores its duties where International Covenants and Conventions go.

    One brief example among many. Did you know that in Australia there is NO avenue for complaints about torture? This despite it being a clause in the Convention. Its got nothing to do with it never happening, its just that complainants are dealt with in other manners (hence the need for a Euthanasia Bill lol). They are giving victims of torture the status of “patient” post hoc and exploiting the loophole in Article 1.1 of the Convention. Not torture if it is subject to lawful sanction, ergo as a patient your human rights are removed and its no longer torture 🙂 How clever. Who said our Politicians werre stupid. Its the public that are idiots allowing them to do this if you ask me.

    Human Rights Commission I hear someone whisper? Try it.

  • Madmom, just wow. Unbelievable that people who do these things are so convinced that what they are doing is ‘right’. And if you raise the comparison to what the National Socialists were doing in Germany it’s considered a sign of illness. Personally I see making that claim as a sign one is dealing with an abuser who is adept at silencing their victims. And after dealing with an Operations Manager who told me she would fuking destroy me for complaining about being tortured and kidnapped, and then watching as people who had a duty to act commit acts of criminal negligence to ensure she was supported I’m more than disgusted.

    Rachel777 My Government is acting. Were about to pass what they have called an “Assisted Dying Bill” through Parliament. There are more than 100 “protections” they tell us. Mind you the fact that the Chief Psychiatrist doesn’t recognise a burden of proof (suspect on reasonable grounds) placed on a Community Nurse before incarcerating and force drugging a citizen has me a little worried. Protections aren’t much good if the person charged with enforcing them doesn’t know they exist. And they really don’t want us calling this a Euthanasia Bill, and the newspapers/journalists have been told in no uncertain terms. Careful, the Federal Police are raiding our journalists for information about whistleblowers these days.
    All those pesky homeless people who are causing problems with the folk who want to come and cuddle a Koala can at least be assisted at last.

    There was a problem with one of our cops shooting himself in a station not long ago oldhead. All those police referrals might come back to haunt them. A sign on police station walls “Mental Health is important. Don’t suspect a colleague, report them” lol. Get in first because once you’ve been slandered theres no going back.

    They have ‘mental health professionals” at every station these days. If they are anything like the Community Nurse who payed me a ‘visit’ the community has a major problem. He/she could be authorising the drugging of citizens without their knowledge, allowing police to interrogate and then handing them over to a psychiatrist to brain damage (no National standard as to what constitutes a chemical restraint). And all with a little bit of ‘verballing’ and some fraud on the part of the doctor who can write prescriptions post hoc. They can’t even do this in Guantanamo (not saying they’re not but the rules don’t allow it). Imagine the use such ‘professionals’ could be put to in a station if interpersonal conflicts became an issue. And with the ability to threaten and intimidate citizens families I think Mr Community Nurse might do a bit of ‘verballing’ for us 🙂

  • Someone on an “involuntary commitment order”? And I would assume that this would be someone with the status of “patient”?
    In my State Doc a “patient” can have their drink spiked with benzos and then have weapons planted on them to obtain police referrals (ie bash em and drag em off in handcuffs). It also demonstrates that those involved had knowledge that the target was not a “patient” otherwise there was no need for the police referral. The benzos and the ‘acute stress reaction’ caused by the police is a great way to have unwilling citizens talk to Community Nurses (don’t even look at the Convention against the use of Torture. They will unintentionally negatively outcome you in the ED for complaining).
    Of course what would happen if you put someone through this and then later found out they weren’t actually a “patient”? I can tell you, and it’s not what you would think. How vile and disgusting peoples behaviour can become has been an eye opener to me (and others who have had the courage to look).
    A lawyer? What a joke that was, they accepted fraudulent documents from the hospital and assisted with the cover up.It would be nice to have legal representation that was working for their client instead of working the victim of torture and kidnapping over and pushing them to suicide.
    I believe these types of crimes are called “remote detentions” in the ‘industry. Though a bit like the convenience killings being done in the ED they are almost never prosecuted because ….. well they did manage to stop Dr Harold Shipman. And I might add stopped counting the bodies at 230 +?
    Know a lawyer who could help out here Doc? I’ve got a letter from our Chief Psychiatrist that shows him to be a disgrace to the office he holds. Doesn’t even recognise a burden of proof, and yet provides “expert legal advice to the Minister”?

  • At times I wonder if they care oldhead, and then I think about the amount of skin cancers that go undetected here in a land where the sun burns you black. Sometimes it’s best you do care about the small spots that seem insignificant, because it can turn into some really bad news for the subject. And whilst our pollies may not seem to be too worried about the small blemish, they will care when their nose is being removed, and not just to spite their face.
    They will care when the methods used are affecting them and theirs. Like our Treasurer fleeing the State when he was about to be referred to a psychiatrist not all of them will escape. And if they have looked at my situation there will be concerns. I sat next to one of our Ministers in the clinic that released my confidential information. Are they aware that this is what is occuring? They had better be for their own sakes .
    Might be best you wash your stockings and suspenders Mr Downer, your closet is going to be opened for all to see what your wardrobe contains (not the person I sat next to) lol

  • It’s good isn’t it Rachel777?

    “I thought the belief that you can read minds or see into the future was a symptom of “severe mental illness” but every good tyrant is above his own laws.”

    I also thought this. When you get banged up over here the person who is exercising that power needs to complete a Form 1 to give the reasons they believe you meet the (non) standards for incarceration and forced drugging. This statutory declaration requires them to state their “observed facts” so that they are not locking people up based solely on communications from others. The Community Nurse who had me snatched from my bed by police made observation that would have required him to travel back in time 3 weeks. He also made the “observation” that I was “having thoughts of harming others” Note others not other after I had an argument with the person who had tried to blackmail my wife, three weeks earlier.
    Now, a person as highly trained as our Chief Psychiatrist you would think would recognise such an illness and yet ……. here he is standing by this ‘verballing’ corrupt public officer. He has no problem with this man travelling through time and space to make his “observations” nor that he is reading my thoughts of harming others. It does however make it easy to abuse the human and civil rights of citizens. Pesky laws getting in the way of arbitrary detentions and giving doctors carte blanche. How to overcome that? Put someone into a position where their negligence means that the rules are not enforced and turn a blind eye to criminals operating within the system.
    Someone like a Chief Psychiatrist who doesn’t know what a burden of proof is, and therefore wouldn’t know a criminal if he tripped over one 30 times a day.
    “Suspect on reasonable grounds” becomes “suspect on grounds he believes to be reasonable”. Thus your failure to report his suspected criminality to the Corruption and Crime Commission under section 28 was because you never suspect? No one ever meets the standard for reporting? Might I suggest that what was done was the apprehension or detention of a person not suffering from a mental illness (s.336 of the Criminal Code with a term of 2 years prison) This meets the standard of mandatory reporting and if not done is an act of Serious Misconduct. Now how could you report if you don’t see the crime? Everyone else can but ….. you can’t.
    Did you write that letter Doc? If so your a disgrace to our community. People paid with their blood for those rights for you to write them away with your negligence. See your duty under the Act. Or is that like our police who can’t find their copy of the criminal code and use negligence to provide support to the criminals operating under your watch? Lucky they’re all so afraid to tell the Emperor he has no clothes and seems to be suffering from some sort of genital rash lol. I’d see a doctor about that Doc.

  • Both good questions zendogbreath.
    The first one seems fairly obvious. I often lay awake at night and wonder why the Doctor who interrupted the attempt to have me murdered in the ED didn’t just let them go one step further before stopping Dr I’m the boss around here. I know the explaination I was given was that he didn’t have the stomach for it, though his history of unauthorised experimentation on his own patients would suggest otherwise. Still, that was all sorted out with a sheep dip in the psychiatric system so…….
    The second question I find a lot more interesting. I guess my first response would be to suggest that in order to ensure that you keep the rights you have, you exercise them when they are being abused. Collectively. The ‘faces of fear’ I have seen when people (like lawyers or doctors) figure out what i’m saying is true are a clue. It shouldn’t be like that unless your government has gone beyond the point of no return. Not that I would compare them to the National Socialists in Germany, those guys showed a lot more intelligence and had nice uniforms. These guys are more a rag tag bunch of terrorists like ISIS. Chasing their own tails and on a date with destiny. But in the meantime they will do a lot of damage.
    Deal with them now or suffer the consequences later I would suggest. Stand up to them when the evidence is there despite the threats and intimidation, lest they become emboldened and enabled by the failure to hold them to account.

  • I liked Dante s’ contrapasso for those who claimed they could look into the future (the Heretics). Their heads were turned around 180 degrees. Perhaps we could overlook the physical effect of doing this as an unintended negative outcome related to the treatment for heresy? A side effect if you will lol

  • How can the authors write that we need to “ensure that the human rights of people with mental health problems are always respected.”. Surely they would be aware that along with the status of “patient” comes a removal of human rights? They simply don’t have any, at all. This is why police will simply do absolutely nothing for a “patient” as they are fully aware that it would need to be approved by their doctor first. And when it is the doctor committing the offences against the “patient”? Sorry, not in the public interest.
    So how can you respect something that doesn’t exist? Meh, anyway I need to go feed my Unicorn. Human rights and mental patients waaaahahahaha Were heading in the other direction in my country. Euthanasia Bill here we come. Want to talk about the coercive practices that might come into play there? Nope, need to keep the public out of that debate altogether. They just wouldn’t understand.
    Not that we haven’t been shown police beating and pepper spraying a man whilst asking “Do you like that?” Before delivering him to his doctor. Perhaps next time he will be a little more cooperative and attend his appointments with his master.

  • Hi Ruth,

    “Also, the issue of patient confidentiality raised many conflicts for these professionals and made it difficult for caregivers and family members to work in partnership with them. Although necessary in some cases, I now believe that the mental health services sometimes use “confidentiality” as a smokescreen that allows them to exert exclusivity and power over patients and service users.”

    I’ve seen this used for much more nefarious purposes than a smoke screen. Of course in Australia we don’t have the benefit of having any confidentiality (just don’t tell the plebs yet, we want to keep this information among those who have a sophisticated knowledge of the law). “No spousal privilege in common law in Australia” ergo there is no privileged communications, but we will not put this to the test, merely continue in ignorance on a path that suits certain people in our community.
    I had my medical records released as soon as I refused to pay $600 to a clinic. Paid good money to have lawyers ensure that those records were confidential and yet here they are turning up in another hospital that has arranged to have me snatched out of my bed after being drugged without my knowledge with someone elses benzos, and having a knife and cannabis planted on me to obtain a police referral. I fail to see how the people who did this to me didn’t recognise that somewhere along the path they took a wrong turn. So delusional that they believe that they are helping people?
    And of course then we have the ‘divide and rule’ tactics I believe your half pointing to above Ruth. Telling your daughter one thing and you another. Gaslighting.
    They got my wife to do all sorts of nasty stuff to me in order to see that I could not access the documents showing their criminality. She did however claim this was done as a result of her being threatened by them. (The FOI officer in particular who denied me access to the evidence and was demanding that my wife provide her with authority to act as my carer, lest they be seen for what they are, kidnappers and torturers. Just get him to go to a doctor and have them backdate a referral, that makes him a patient and we are all clear to do whatever we like to him after that eh?) After 6 weeks of her sneaking around behind my back slandering me to all my friends and associates, even making claims to others that despite the all clear from a Psychiatrist that I had a mental illness and my truthful claims were delusions. Police fell for it hook line and sinker. Even assisting my wife and her co conspirators to retrieve the evidence of the spiking (or so they thought. Should have seen the panic when those docs surfaced. Police now wanting to arrest me for being the victim of crimes. Not allowed to have proof of their crimes, that would not do at all)
    They even sent fraudulent documents to the lawyers. Took out the proof I had been spiked with benzos and started slandering me as a paranoid delusional. All authorised by a Clinical Director and his side kick an Operations Manager who said if I continued with my complaint they would fuking destroy me.
    Good people who just happen to do the odd kidnapping and torture of citizens and who have the support of our Chief Psychiatrist and Minister to do cover ups via unintentional negative outcomes and fraud. One question I have about that situation is were the lawyers threatened, or did they participate in the attempt to pervert the course of justice willingly? Because I don’t believe that the Chief Psychiatrist wrote that letter of response claiming ignorance of the law and that a Community Nurse can travel through time and space. He would look like a complete fool should anyone with a basic legal knowledge read that document, and he sure has. The Minister and the Principle of the Law Centre getting together to commit such serious offences with mandatory prison terms? Wow, imagine that. Lucky they have friends in high places eh?
    I don’t know that people who have not been subjected to the absolute viciousness of these folk would truly understand. They have such nice suits and smiles that would have you leave your loved ones in their care. And then while your not looking subject them to the most vile and brutal treatment you can imagine and call it ‘medicine’.
    I do hope you expand on the above quote because I feel there is more to be said. In your own time though Ruth. Thanks for speaking your truth here.

  • Our politians make claims in todays newspaper regarding the claim by a young woman that she has been ‘spiked’ in a niteclub. They are up in arms and looking to have the licence of the owner removed. “Serious incident” “Completely unacceptable”, “Abhorrent and extremeely dangerous” and “Serious issue”.
    I wonder if these politicains making these statements are aware that they have Community Nurses authorising the spiking of citizens with date rape drugs and doctors signing fraudulent prescriptions to conceal these offences? Are they aware that should this young woman walk into a police station to make a complaint they will explain to her that they do not have a copy of the criminal code and if she does not go away she will be arrested?
    Oh that’s right, they thought I was a “patient” and its perfectly acceptable conduct in that instance. In fact, somebody make this young woman into a patient because she simply doesn’t have any proof that she was spiked and is suffering paranoid delusions. It’s quite a common delusion i’m told.
    So the response of the niteclub owner is consistent with the response of the people who concealed the evidence of the spiking in my case and yet they are somehow different?
    So I will be making a few phone calls to see if these politicians are aware of how our police are dealing with these criminal matters, by simply calling them medical issues and turning a blind eye to them.
    If it is “abhorrent and extremely dangerous” why have they told me I will be arrested for being able to prove that it was done? Is it not offensive that it is done to someone with the status of “patient”? Not that I was but it seems to be a preferred false narrative to conceal criminality.
    Is Doctor going to sign a prescripion for the spiker 12 hours after it was done, and allow his patient he hasn’t met yet to be treated without their knowledge?
    Was it not “abhorrent and extremely dangerous” to spike me with benzos because otherwise it was going to be difficult to get me to talk to a verballing public officer? And it would be so difficult to plant evidence for police if I were not unconscious from the spiking?

  • Personally Rachel777 I believe that psychiatry grew out of the separation of the State and the Christian church. The State required the control mechanism of the church. They needed to be able to use the slander of demon possession, and subject citizens to forced treatment for the slander. Someone Else has written some great comments about how these old professions have managed to survive and thrive in the modern Nation State.
    Aren’t we all still looking for devil worshipers and witches everywhere? These days we call them terrorists and paedophiles but ……. we still need to be able to make what we do lawful and what they do worthy of punishment of the worst kind, and psychiatry can be used to punish despite the claims these folk are doctors. They are still eavesdropping on the confessional and slipping one off the bottom of the deck during communion. Justice served? Only if it is done minus any corruption in the system.
    I mean when you thin k about it what was the difference between what Ariel Castro did and what was done to me? A licence from the State.
    Anyhow, I’m a great believer that laughter is the best medicine. Heres a video of some people at my local church taking someone to mental health services. 🙂

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

  • Hi Elizabeth,
    I’d love to be able to put this all together for publication. Unfortunately every time I pick myself up and get to the point where I feel capable, i fall down. This was done deliberately by those who tortured and kidnapped me. A forced Learned Helplessness. I ws before these events quite a competent person with what Seligman would have described as a robust personality type. I’d keep going where others would fail. Enough, that person was murdered and no one in my community gives a damn so …..
    I did a lot of writing in the forums under a thread called The Bridge as I tried to unravel the threads of events as I remembered them and also as I tried to have police recognise that I was not a patient and that they were turning away the victim of kidnapping and conspiracy to torture but …… the law being the law they are afraid of doctors and the mafia type organisation they are running.

    https://www.madinamerica.com/forums/topic/the-bridge/#post-171218

    My Brain Salad Surgery lol. Lots there that is just my insane ramblings but in amongst it is the truth as I saw it. (Keep in mind if you read it that I documented what occurred when I went to police. I exchanged emails with others who were present about those meetings. And then weeks later they were telling me that “it never happened”. Nothing like a bunch of gaslighters kicking you when your down eh? Police threatening witnesses to criminal offences? Yeah okay I get that but they are also witnesses to breaches of the Convention against the use of Torture. That is about as vile as their behaviour can get. Refoulment. Nothing that Bashar al Assad isn’t doing mind you)
    I’ve come a long way since that time but still find my community lacking in support. And well, were currently discussing convenience killings in our parliament so …… should I really be surprised that the government is authorising torture and kidnappings and calling them medicine?
    As with most cons, this one is fairly simple to perform and leaves the victim totally destroyed because police after being stooged can not possibly admit they were used as tools to kidnap and torture. They re simply too accustomed to having a 100% result in their favour and can literally kill anyone who complains about them. Better just to threaten their families because killing is serious business and some day someone might actually look.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Finn

    Still looking at this organised police killing from the 70s. Our Police Minister was not happy about a prostitute who was going to blow the whistle, so he had a police officer put 4 bullets into her head (not that those who know this would dare say it publically)
    Anyhow any questions about this con I can answer (and might I add much more clearly than our previous Minister or Chief Psychiatrist They don’t even like the protections of the Mental health Act so simply ignore them, and then ignore anyone who complains while doctors arrange to have victims killed or “unintentioanlly negatively outcomed”, their referred term). I must add that the Chief Psychiatrist did recognise his “error” but unlike those who have some honor, did not correct the “error” simply recognised it. Someone who had honor would also do everything in their power to correct the effects of their error. I can not say he has done nothing, what I can say is that nothing that I can see has been done to assist the victim, merely conceal for those in power.

    Anyone who has an ability to write or document these crimes for me I’d be happy to hear from. I’d also like to hear from any government who would grant me asylum, cause these human rights abusers have clearly demonstrated that they will keep doubling down on their ‘errors’ until the cover up is complete.
    Happy to answer any questions anyone might have though, despite my rather ineffective ability to communicate. Please keep in mind that this is as a result of the ‘intervention’, because as the psychiatrist who aassessed me that day wrote there was nothing wrong with me until I was drugged, tortured and kidnapped. There bloody well is now though.
    Wow, i just reaised that thread The Bridge is 5 years old. And still not a day of my life worth living since these good mental health professionals decided that I needed them to force their medicine down my throat. Same really coz I did tell them when I was being interrogated after being jumped in my bed.

  • Too true JeffreyC.
    I liked how our politicians and their families spent some time in Paris a few years back for a meeting on climate change,. After much debate and many meals and wines in fancy restaurants they came to a decision that they were going to turn the planets thermostat down a couple of degrees. Guess they will be arranging another meeting soon to discuss where they might find the thermostat dial lol
    Rinse, lather, repeat.

  • It is a good point Someone Else.
    I didn’t know bus drivers could prescribe mind altering psychiatric drugs 8 years ago when I was first prescribed benzos without my knowledge. But there you have it. It just makes getting people to talk so much easier when subjecting them to “actue stress reactions” before interrogations.
    So here in Australia we have gone the other way. Think your child needs Ritalin? No need to waste your time waiting in a Doctors office for a prescription, have a friend supply it and spike their food with it. Any problems and a doctor can sign a prescription for it later to ensure no criminal action can be taken against you. You were after all acting in “good faith” right?
    It’s simply amazing the things you can call ‘medicine’ if you try hard enough and know a doctor who we can call a ‘friendly’. Personally I prefer the term fraudster but in the environment we are in at the moment we have a Minister for Health calling convenience killings “assisted dying” so language is changing at a rate it is difficult to keep up with. And anyone who has been subjected to Mental Health Services knows exactly how “voluntary” services are when it comes to a doctor. Informed consent? This guy is a comedian lol
    Couldn’t agree more regarding the elimination of these drugs altogether.

  • I don’t know how obvious it is but the situation is that my wife did something stupid, and people at the hospital went along with her lies and committed some serious criminal offences. And rather than tell me they have decided that they would appoint my wife as my ‘carer’ and then she could make decisions for me that suited them. Which is what she did. She also at the point where I was about to find out about the spiking (6 weeks after I was snatched from my bed by police) told me she was being threatened by staff at the hospital (the Senior Freedom of Information Officer) I point out that what they have been doing is criminal and i’m told they will fuking destroy me. And they have. The “wife beater” slander created by the Community Nurse is now the truth because my wife has no choice but to assist these criminals. Though I ask that she testify to this before God, because He knows for a fact that this is not true. Strike me down if I am lying. A close examination of the call to MHERL reveals that her claim that she said “no such thing” is supported. It is just such an effective form of slander being used by public officers, and the lynch mob gathers. Though how many deaths are being caused by this conduct will never be known.
    Of course now that thehospital has appointed my wife as my ‘carer’ she can now contact my legal representatives and give them instructions, all the while ensuring that I don’t know about these covert phone calls. She made sure not to attend the lawyers offices with me because well they might ask her about the spiking and what actually occurred in front of me and none of this could be done in front of the victim. Their conspiring to pervert the course of justice needed to be done behind closed door and in the dark. Mandatory prison terms, and how lucky they are that police can not find their copy of the criminal code. No room in our prisons anyway, they’re full of Aboriginals who stole a packet of pencils from Walmart to be putting these types of crooks away. They are above the law in a land that claims Australians value a rule of law.
    Disgusting but …… what do you do? The public were coerced into voting for them. We get fined if we don’t and they have found methods of turning those fines into 1000s of dollars and sending folk to prison for not voting lol Another reason they can’t be sent to prison.
    I would have found it much easier if they had just done their job in the first place and told my wife (and her co-conspirator) sorry but I need to report your drugging without knowledge to the police, because this person is not our patient, and our doctors are not prepared to sign fraudulent prescriptions to conceal criminal offences post hoc.
    Save a whole bunch of trouble arranging to have people killed in an Emergency Dept with a hot shot. Don’t believe me? Thats okay, I know one doctor spotted it because he was there to foil the plan. And I don’t think he is the only person smart enough to figure out what they were going to do, though he did have the advantage of speaking with my wife about what they were asking her to do to me to conceal their crimes sooooo. “You just go along with what they ask and lets see where they go with this :)” Nice one Doc.
    With my wifes boyfriend hacking my email accounts and keeping an eye on who I was communicating with, and using police to retrieve the documented fact that I had been spiked, they could then close this up by slandering me as a paranoid delusional to anyone who asked about these matters. Oh and the claims that my email accounts etc were hacked by my wifes boyfriend? Yes I can prove it. He fell for one of the oldest tricks in the book regarding ‘keyloggers’. I’m identifying him as the weak link because I dont think he would really want to go to prison for simply helping out a damsel in distress.
    It got to the point where my wife was calling police to have me removed from my home because her boyfriend was coming to town for the weekend. She would call them, they turn up and write an order to remove me based on nothing moire than her word and I was on the street. I had no idea we had got to this situation. Still with a Police Service that is doing more planting that our Forestry Dept what would one expect?

  • No Elizabeth, never posted a story except the stuff I wrote in the old forums.

    I did offer to pay someone to assist me with writing this stuff up but they took a look at the documents I have and said that “these are human rights abuses” and that the letter of response from the Chief Psychiatrist was “absolute rubbish” and that there had been a “cover up”. I then had a meeting with a QC who told me that he didn’t want to hear a certain Doctors name, and i’ve had no responses to my follow up. (Sorry your number seems to have disappeared from my phone, sorry can’t talk got a funeral, sorry dog needs washing, sorry can’t talk eating. Don’t be sorry, be honest, you’ve been threatened too)
    So as you can probably tell I have been severly traumatised by these event having people deliberately trying to do me harm and police and public officers assisting in that process. And now police and governement embarrassed by their vicious conduct, i’m left to be homeless and slandered by these criminals who simply deny me access to effective legal representation. (Can’t even retrieve my share of the marital property because my wife has been given legal authority to spike people and plant evidence for police, and is ‘assisting’ them in their cover up with police exercising the ‘discretionary powers’ over serious criminal offences. Kidnapping I get, the torture is a breach of the Convention and I have asked the Premier to tear it up on the steps of Parliament so that the public is aware. Guess thats what our Prime Minister is doing with his latest round of National Socialist politiking) And they are allowed to do that apparently.
    Did they really remove firearms from the public to protect them? Or was it more to do with ensuring a passive vulnerable public who can be silenced about their systematic theft of public monies. Take a look is what I say? Politicians are so out of touch with reality and their paranoia is showing under their silk skirts. (Alexander Downer who started some of this trouble with your President will tell you all about silk skirts lol But lets not look at his private conduct) And the spying on our friends and neighbours? The kneejerk, “they’re doing it too” is a dead giveaway.
    As noted above our Government has done away with most if not all of the protections of the UN Covenants. They are simply for show now, and to fool people into the false belief that they have rights. Makes it easy to knife them in the back.
    Oh what I’d give to be able to write this up and publish. I’d really like to publish the letter of complaint from the MHLC to the Chief Psychiatrist and his response. Even if it were to confirm that it wasn’t him that wrote that poison pen letter. Nothing like a gaslighter exposed in a letter like that (somebody give me the name because the author of that letter is absolutely evil).
    And I guess you would be correct to say it’s a mess over here. UN doesn’t make claims like Australia’s Mental Health Laws ARE a violation of peoples human rights and that the treatments MAY constitute torture lightly. One doesn’t need to travel to exotic places to witness these abuses, merely to their local hospitals. Like those neighbours at Auschwitz didn’t need to be pointing at the Rats of Tobruk as being nasty people. Perhaps these folk should clean up their own act before pointing fingers of righteous scorn.
    If Jesus was a Christian eh?
    Gee I’ve seen some funny women and men
    That think that Christianitys begining and end
    Is to sit up in them old Church pews on a Sunday Morn
    Now there’s 168 hours in any one week
    And one and a half in Church seems pretty weak
    They think there Jesus lives behind those locked Church doors eh?
    Now I’m pretty sure that they taught me right,
    That Jesus was the Truth and Light
    And he condemned all those who were Hypocrites and Liars.(Kev Carmody)
    Where are the good people when you need them?

  • The only thing required for Evil to prevail is for Good men (persons) to do nothing. (Think it was Edmund Burke who said something like this). These people have been tested and many have failed miserably. They have been given the opportunity to correct the errors of their ways, and refuse to do so. For this they are condemned to eternal Hell. They will laugh when reading this and yet …. as I can bear witness…. they cry out to a God they do not believe in when their time comes to be thrown into the fire. The money is no good to them then, the corruption no use, and what is in their hearts will be exposed.
    My sin? The sin of anger. The anger raised from the dead by people who would torture and kidnap and attempt to disguise this as ‘medicine’. So does torture work? Only as a tactic to create an angry man and then justify the killing of that man. What sort of fool would beat a man for speaking the truth and stop when he tells them what they want to hear? 2 Thessolonians 2 “And God sends upon them a great delusion that they might believe the Lie”.
    I’d say more but someone needs to keep the fire burning lol Ezekiel 22 23 -32 says it all anyway.

  • I also note that our Prime Minister is backing away from agreements made with the UN. We need to be “independent” he tells us and do what it is Australians want and not what some busybody internationalist want.
    Things like get rid of the Convention against the use of Torture. As my situation (and that of many others) shows Australians are in agreement that we should be able to torture anyone we like. Can’t have people disagreeing in a democracy.
    And the Euthanasia Bill. We need to get that through quickly. Australians want that too. Just don’t bring it up during the election campaign and then drop it on the table after. The public isn’t sophisticated enough to understand what they are voting on. So lets not give them the opportunity and just tell them that “most people” want it. Most people want the death sentence too but …… oh wait I get it.
    Covenant on human rights down the toilet too. And these politicians are going to claim it’s what Australians want? With 20 percent of the population labelled mentally ill i guess that lot doesn’t count.
    Looks like were in for one Hell of a ride. We’re buying a heap of weapons, removing civil and human rights, and making back room deals with no accountability to a public that is forced to vote for politicians they don’t want?
    Count me out people, i’m looking for a new place to rest my Boans. Whats the process for seeking asylum from a government that allows such abuses? Doesn’t matter really I guess they will fiddle with the documents to make what they want to be true anyway.

  • It was my understanding that once my referral expired (after one year) that I was a free agent and that if I chose not to continue with the service I had received than I did not renew that referral. I was originally referred for a report about a workplace incident. And I assume that those at the service knew this also as when I started going to the police with the documents showing the kidnapping and torture they tried to get me to have a referral from my GP back dated to cover their butts so to speak. (Ie “oh sh*t he isn’t a “patient” anymore, that makes this a kidnapping. Sokay unintended negative outcome to the rescue). This was a great way of testing the integrity of those involved, especially given the pressure of acting before the police smelled a rat. In fact I think they seem to have lost any sense of smell at all given how long it took them to catch up (just over 2 years lol)
    Luckily the police won’t lift a finger to assist anyone who has been called “patient” by a doctor (no checking, they just accept that if a doctor says patient it musty be true) without the doctor first providing the green light. Which when you think about it leaves people in the same situation as the guy who escaped from Jeffrey Dahmer, only to find himself handed back by police because of his ‘illness’. I think he later killed and ate this man but ….. all jokes aside.
    The documents that were sent to the Mental Health Law Centre told a completely different story to what actually occurred. The ‘real’ set showed a man had been ‘spiked’ with benzos, had a Community Nurse lie to police and request assistance with someone he knew was not a “patient” and then let the person who had spiked him know they were on their way and to plant the items police needed to detain and refer immediately to Community Nurse (ie a knife and some cannabis). He then had a Doctor sign a prescription for the benzos that were administered without knowledge to someone he hadn’t even met and wasn’t even a “patient”. This guy would be aof great value to night club rapists. The “edited” (i prefer the real term of fraudulent) set showed a man who had been a “patient” of said hospital for 10 years was not cooperating with his Nurse and therefore police were called to get him and take him to the hospital.

    With the ability to “edit” documents like this no one is safe. And claiming that because you spoke to a psychologist in school that 50 years later you can be subjected to spikings and having evidence planted on you to make referral appear lawful because your still someones “patient”? You would think that in a civilized society I would be able to access legal services and at least have some form of help offered. Not so, in fact these guys tried to have me murdered in an ED (contact me for details should anyone require information about the methods being used, and why police find it impossible to act against these criminals). These are ‘medical ‘ matters and get referred to a toothless watchdog. The wheels on the bus go round and round …….
    There is even a section in the Mental Health Act that makes it quite clear that the time limit for referral is 48 hours after having physically examined the target. And that referral after this time is unlawful. Guess thats why they are having to trick police into making referrals for them. And surely the Minister and Chief Psychiatrist are aware of this and simply turn a blind eye, they of course know how difficult the job is and have no respect for the protections afforded the public by the law. Probably the reason that our Chief Psychiatrist doesn’t do anything about the corrupt practice of ‘verballing’ either. He accepts the Community Nurses ability to travel through time and space to make observations and his ability to read minds unquestioned. My how psychology has advanced since I did my degree.
    So in your situation Elizabeth it might feel like you have found a path out of Psychiatry. But should you ever find yourself in conflict with say your husband, wave goodbye to your human and civil rights immediately. Your always going to be “patient” from this point on. The “identified patient” is the term I’ve found most fitting. I can’t even get a list of who can drug me without knowledge or with what drugs. Despite being able to prove that it is being authorised by the Minister. Imagine that.

  • I can’t help but wonder if you’ve ever been subjected to an involuntary commitment Elizabeth.

    I had struggled to sleep for 2 days because I was packing my property and that was considered enough to justify drugging me with benzos without my knowledge and planting a knife on me to obtain a police referral. Jumped in my bed, not informed I had been ‘spiked’ , and subjected to 7 hours of interrogation in a cage and I haven’t had a decent nights sleep in 8 years.

    Oh and the title Your Path out of Psychiatry. In my country if you have ever spoken to a ‘mental health professional’ in your life, you are considered a “patient” for life. This allows arbitrary detentions for doctors. Make a phone call and have police bring them in for questioning. And along with that label comes the removal of your human rights, something that you don’t recognise until you say something one of your friends or colleagues doesn’t agree with. Then they are free to spike you and see that you receive the ‘treatment’ you don’t recognise that you need. Your anasognosia is getting in the way of my ability to impose my view of the world on others so to speak lol.
    There is no Path Out in my country. Even the UN stated that Australian Mental Health Laws ARE a violation of human rights and that the treatments MAY constitute Torture (difficult to prove intent if Doc keeps his/her mouth shut). And might I say even paying tens of thousands of dollars does not ensure treatment remains confidential. Don’t keep paying and they release the information to the public system and subject you to an ‘intervention’ the likes of which I have described.

    If they weren’t called Doctors they call this extortion. Won’t talk to me and pay the 600, then i’ll arrange for you to talk to someone else by spiking you and having police rough you up a bit first. We call that inducing an ‘acute stress reaction’ and with the spiking to assist us we are now free to torture and exploit the loophole of “having lawful sanction” because we tricked poilce into making referral :). How clever, and they get to call this ‘medicine’. These people are a disgrace to the rest of the folk who are doing their best to help people. A cancerous growth seeking to enrich themselves with no moral compass to guide them. And with the full support of our Chief Psychiatrist and Minister for Mental Health I might add.
    And should ypou complain about psychiatry reopening the path via these methods? Then the slandering of you begins and they release the medical records to the public and claim your illness is back to haunt you. Gaslighting leading to so many suicides, and they don’t even need to wash the blood from their hands, and can claim their is MORE need for their services.
    I’m thinking of the Operations Manager who after doing a formal investigation told me that if I didn’t stop complaining they would “fuking destroy” me. And she was right, she has been given the authority to do this to me and many others.
    So it might appear you have found a path out but its a circular path downwards i’m afraid. Didn’t notice the sign? Abandon hope all yeah who enter?

  • Can’t say i’m a fan of kidnapping Joe. Transporting people against their will without legal authority is a crime and well I would say 30 years seems a bit excessive. Especially given that if you had been a mental health professional (Community Nurse) where I live police wouldn’t be able to find their copy of the criminal code, and thus no prison.
    See I don’t agree with them that by spiking someones drink with benzos and then planting evidence for police to find and make the kidnapping appear lawful that what they are doing is not criminal. Conspiring to kidnap is also a crime. There is a reason so many people claim it feels like being kidnapped. And as your aware there are reasons that the penalty is so severe, because of the damage to the victim.
    However, what we have in my instance is a man who tortures and kidnaps and then calls the victim names (mentally ill) and he receives a massive amount of support from his colleagues who are also prepared to commit serious criminal offences (criminal fraud, conspire to pervert) to ensure he does not face the Beak. And he clocks on for work tomorrow to do it to others. How can they possibly do anything about him now, their own negligence would be exposed.
    So I restate, i’m not a fan but …… at least you get to see your grandchildren. As a result of these criminals I have been the victim of I don’t.
    Anyhow, good luck with your endeavour to have mercy shown.

  • This Mental Health Law Centre I speak of relies on the State Government for funding. So I go in there with proof of human rights abuses and they claim to be assisting their “clients” when what they really do is “find out what ya got” and provide assistance to the criminals in Government doing cover ups.
    Breach of their ethics? I think that anyone who examined what they did would be more than offended. Still, that would open a whole can of worms about how many other “clients” have been subjected to this breach of trust and confidence. And a bit like the Psychiatrist who wasn’t really a Psychiatrist but was ‘treating’ more than 200 “patients” without the authority its better we look the other way and ensure that its “not in the public interest” to know. Same excuse our police use to ensure nobody knows there are organised criminals using our EDs as their own personal slaughterhouses. (Though they have introduced an “Assisted Dying Bill” to at least make it appear like they are doing something. Mind you if they remove the protections of burdens of proof without informing the public were right back were we started eh?).

  • Somebody is going to have to sign off on an attempt to pervert the course of justice in the Federal Courts. Glad it isn’t me. Especially given the amount of people in authority who are aware of these fraudulent documents. Will they really just stand by whilst these types of offences are commiitted? From what I’ve seen so far the answer is a resounding Yes. Nothing that a hot shot in the Emergency Dept can’t fix huh.
    And an even bigger problem. The “no superior authority”, “no Emergency provisions” and “refoulment” clauses of the Convention against the use of Torture. Might have been abl to do it where the kidnapping was concerned but the Torture allegation and threatening my family and attempting to kill me was a big no no.
    Still, like I have said, the Prime Minister claiming Australians value a rule of law is a joke. Jamal Khashoggi had more chance with the Saudis than he did with us.
    Why am I not surprised. US is no longer acting as a global policeman and Australia is spending money hand over fist on weapons. And still our neighbours could take this place by telephone. Human rights abuses are bound to flourish in such an environment, and the people like the Operations Manager who are “fuking destroying” peoples lives are the flavour of the month.
    Wave goodbye to all you have ever known folk. And don’t bother checking what the truth is, it no longer matters.

  • I’m not sure if hospitals have their own in-house lawyers Madgdelene. What I can say is that they certainly have someone who understands the law, else they could not have provided the fraudulent documents to the Mental Health Law Centre in the manner they did. And well by me being denied access to legal advice they are free to committ human rights abuses with no accountability in place at all.
    There is even a law specifically relating to the offences that were committed against me s.336 of the Criminal Code Procuring the apprehension or detention of a person not suffering fro a mental illness. And yet to get round this protection of the law all the hospital is doing is spiking citizens with benzos and planting a knife for police to find, and then requesting assistance with a “patient” (ie lie). How clever huh?
    Still lawyers can’t provide legal advice (thought I note I can be charged 3500 for being told how expensive their time is) and there seems quite a lack of interest in identifying human rights abuses. We just want to point at other nations as proof of how good we are, and what a nasty bunch of folk they are.
    Oh well, worth asking, I guess if biblical prophesy is correct some Good Samarian will hear my moaning eventually.
    Issue being that the State may be able to do this with the fraudulent documents and deny access to legal advice, but they now find themselves in a situation where they will need to provide these documents to the Federal Courts during divorce proceedings (or continue to deny me my human rights and pretend they don’t know they are doing it). That would constitute a serious offence, like they care though. They have about as much respect for the law as they do for the human rights of their “patients”, absolutely none.

  • What I find humorous about the whole situation is that police can not accept that I was nobodys “patient”. Because this means they assisted in kidnapping and torturing a citizen for a mental health professional. Even worse that they sent me away because they don’t have a copy of the criminal code in a large police station, only for me to end up escaping an attempt on my life in an ED. I always was a bit like Bugs Bunny lol.
    My second bite at police results in me being threatened with arrest for having documents proving what i’m saying (after a referral back to the criminals failed). I’ve spent longer with police over a piece of hose than over these matters. My Incident Report comes back as “insufficient evidence” which is strange coz a lawyer called my documents “proof” of a crime. Still, because the Community Nurse conspired to pervert the course of justice, and compound or conceal evidence of a criminal offense (he talked a Doctor into signing off on the spiking by writing a prescription for the benzos, 12 hours after it was done) I guess they can say there is “insufficient evidence”, they should know, they helped to get it back for the hospital (or so they thought whew).
    So whats the chances of them admitting error? About zero because their reputation is at stake and they don’t wish to look like the fools they are. These Organised Crims are running them in rings. Trick cycling i’ve heard it called. Get the police to commit your crimes for you and there no chance of anything being done about it.

  • “God heals, the Doctor just collects the fee” Ben Franklin.

    Hi Magdalene,
    I have been struggling to find a lawyer in Australia who knows what a burden of proof is. Our Chief Psychiatrist has rewritten the protection in our Mental Health Act from “suspect on reasonable grounds that a person requires an assessment by a psychiatrist” to “suspect on grounds the referrer believes to be reasonable” This to me removes the section that identifies what are “reasonable grounds” (s.26) and thus enables arbitrary detentions. This along with the ability to spike citizens drinks with benzodiazepines and then plant weapons on them for police to find and make referral to Mental Health professionals concerns me.
    It also concerns me that the hospital where this was done has sent a set of “edited” documents to the Mental Health Law Centre where they remove the evidence of the criminal offences (conspire to stupefy and commit an indictable offence namely kidnapping) and give the appearance that I had been their patient for more than 10 years. At this point the MHLC threw me under a bus and well, the people worried about what police might do attempted to unintentionally negatively outcome me.

    Anyway, point being do you know any lawyers who know what a burden of proof is? Because they might be able to explain to our Chief Psychiatrist what one is and he can then do his duty and provide expert legal advice to the Minister (who also doesn’t recognise the protections contained in the Act), and protect the rights of citizens, carers and consumers. Something that must be difficult given he doesn’t know what these rights are. Don’t these guys have to pass amendments through parliament before they rewrite the laws these days? Or do they just continue with their negligence and fraud and continue to slander me as being ill for speaking the truth?
    Eight years today and I haven’t seen my daughter and grandkids as a result of these criminals.

  • I’m sure our current Minister for Health has studied the work of Josef Goebbels because he doesn’t seem to be able to stay on track with definitions. His attitude seems to be that if he simply doesn’t refer to the matters as what they are and describes them in nice terms that suit he can enable torture and kidnapping as being ‘referral’ and ‘detention’.Convenience killings become ‘Assisted dying”. Not very original Minister, the National Socialists did the same thing by calling it ‘delousing’ with unintended negative outcomes. Hey look, you guys said the same thing about all those necks that were snapped during restraints at one of our hospitals eh? They were “unintended negative outcomes” and minus a confession from the guy practicing his Martial Arts pressure techniques that’s the way they’ll stay huh.
    Still flick away the insignificant insects complaining Minister, you will never be held to account i’m sure.
    “Sorry Boans that you remain distressed by your referral and detention in 2011”. Well not really Minister I remain upset about being drugged without my knowledge, tortured and kidnapped and then having my community turn their backs for fear of what a government that does cover ups with killings in the ED. And even when the cover up is exposed its business as usual and just go on like we didnt even notice. Because thats just what we do as the Operations Manager of one of your hospitals said if you complain “we’ll fuking destroy you”. Got to be cheaper that lawsuits for wrongful deaths considering how many of them your covering up.

  • Corruption: Issue Intoxication by deception aka spiking.
    You go to police with documents showing that you have been spiked with benzos thinking that they will take a complaint and act. Wrong, they don’t have a copy of the criminal code. Truth is someone claiming to be my doctor had rung them and given instructions not to take a complaint and not accept the documents. And they did what they were told. Now had they taken the documents and looked a little further they would have noticed a conspiracy to kidnap and torture. But they preferred the false “patient” narrative.
    Problem: people who have kidnapped and tortured know I have the proof and am going to police with it. “Hi Sgt Im a doctor and you’re going to do as I say” which provides time to arrange a killing in the ED. However another doctor notices and the killing is interupted. Criminals think they have retrieved the documents and all should be sweet, they have used police resources to destroy a “patient”.
    I go back to police with documents and they still don’t want to act against the people who are claiming that I am their “patient” and now they tell me that its best they dont know about the attempt to murder me in the ED.
    See the thing is that police are really afraid of the organised criminals operating in our hospitals and find it best they do what they are told by them. They are fully aware of what happens legally when you acquire the status of “patient”. I mean they are the ones dishing out the kickings to these said “patients” (shooting the odd one now and then too). You can be killed and not a damn thing the authorities can do about it. This is what is so sinister about the Mental Health Act and the powers given to psychiatrists (and by proxy their psychologist wives).
    So I still find myself being misdirected by our current Minister for Health into a complaints process involving doctors. These may be doctors but in this situation they were acting like criminals and as such should be directed to police.
    Too late, they are way in over their heads now. A pile of bodies as a result of Sgts negligence and well, criminal conduct in failing to perform his duty.
    Anyone here doubt that spiking drinks with intoxicating drugs without knowledge is a medical issue? I get it that its an ugly look for police that they turned me away while the criminals arranged to have me killed in an ED. And still they persist in claiming this is a medical issue. Must use this quite often, for example if a child complains about being drugged and raped by a priest. Call it spreading the love of Jesus (thinking of you Minister) and send them back to the church for referral to Doc (SMO).
    Corruption? Most of them have fallen into this as a result of stupidity or plain old laziness, and now find themselves digging a hole deeper that Krakatoa.

    Lets start with S.C. McK. I sent you some letters pointing out some facts SC. What happened to them? And I know its best you don’t know about that, but now that you do what did you do? “Insufficient evidence” ? You really expect a Commuunity Nurse who is kidnapping and torturing citizens to document his crimes by completing an Incident Report and having toxicology done on the victim of a spiking? The crimes are there for someone with enough intelligence to solve a 5th grade puzzle SC. He’s been overlooking this for the guys at the football club for years when rape victims turn up for ‘assessment’. Still don’t get off your seat SC your donuts will get cold.

  • Just an example of the type of legal represeentation available in my neck of the woods (this is not the worst example, just being used for brevity).
    I approach a large law firm and spend time writing out an application for assistance. I attach the documents that I have clearly showing I was spiked with benzos and that police have been lied to in order to unlawfully detain me. My application is rejected because “my doctor authorised the drugging without knowledge with benzos”. I have no prescription for these drugs, and never have.
    So I call the law firm concerned and explain the situation again. I ask, “Who is my doctor who authorised this spiking?” To which I receive the reply “We can’t tell you that”. Now that just seemed a little more than strange to me. I have provided them with the documents and they would be aware that I did not have a doctor when the offence occurred. Or if they falsely believed I did then why not name that doctor, surely that can’t be a problem …. unless. Unless of course it would mean that I would knock down their preference for these to not be criminal offences and not start the dominoes falling.
    This is the sort of gaslighting one is up against. Doctors who remain in the shadows prescribing drugs to people 12 hours before they even meet their patient. Lawyers appointing doctors to people and not giving anyone the right to respond to their false claims, though I note that they still require payment. I just thought I would have ad the right to know (a) who my doctor is and (b) what types of drugs I can be spiked with and by whom. Not so my government tells me. And lawyers agree. Now maybe if I were a “patient” but these people are fully aware that this was not the case and it was simply a lie told to police to make torture and kidnapping appear lawful. Takes some sort of fool to not see that in the evidence so whats the deal with these legal representatives? Seeking favour with the powers that be? Anyone offended by a government that is kidnapping and torturing citizens? Because I have the proof. And I consider 8 years of obstruction a further breach of the Convention (along with the refoulments already committed eg attempt to kill, threatening my family)
    The reason I was drugged without knowledge to be able to plant a knife and some cannabis on me (along with causing an ‘acute stress reaction’ to force me to talk ie torture) was precicely because I did not have a doctor and thus they required a police referral to the Community Nurse. Had I a doctor they would simply have made a referral if they had the power to do so (ie must have seen patient within 48 hours for lawful referral). And what I know is that these people were desperate for me to go to my doctor and GET a referral after this all blew up in their faces. Now if they werent aware that I wasn’t a “patient” why the desperate need for referral? I know one psychiatrist you asked and who said “no”.
    Bah, just kill him in the ED and be done with it. A hot shot with someone elses morphine on top of a ‘chemical restraint’ and the Coroner will not be able to identify where the morphine came from. My hands are clean eh Doc? Unfortunate someone noticed really, you could have gone on for years. Oh wait, you did. Took them a little while to catch up huh. Chief Psychiatrist smells a rat when he notices that he didn’t write the poison pen letter. Danger, frauds at work.

  • Where oh where would one find a lawyer who would take on such a case? I know that the ones I have spoken to have behaved in a manner that could only be described as bordering on criminal negligence. They run folk around in circles for years and then claim its too late to take action.
    Good news though, the folk who have finally seen some justice with the institutional abuses have shown the way around the “it was so long ago, and nothing can be done now sucker” bunch. And I dare say if people start getting together and brining action despite the immense difficulties there may be more than a few prepared to squeal on their colleagues. I’d be up for a bit of vigorous questioning given the right circumstances.

  • P.S. Sam Dastyari, one of our politicians left his phone out of a conversation with a Chinese businessman. He asked the businessman to do the same. He got hauled over the coals for this. Why is it that the government doesn’t want anyone not having their phones with them during conversations? Might be that they’re worried that they can’t call him if they need him? Shanghai Sam our current Prime Minister was calling him. Racial slurs are just so effective, almost as good as mental health labels. Speaking of which I note ScoMo pointing to Greta Tunbergs possible mental health issues, and the concern for all young Australians who are possibly ill (Eco-anxiety, coming to a DSM near you soon) about climate change. Big bucks in labelling and drugging them all.

  • I’d never really thought of believing that someone is listening is an illness (God, the silent listener to every conversation) until I was snatched from my bed by a Community Nurse who believes all Muslims should be locked in cages and given copious amounts of tranquillizers for it. And unfortunately he has some people helping him. I can’t help but wonder if the need to torture isn’t as a result of paranoids not being able to spy and get the information they want (rather than the truth)
    And given that Australia has been caught spying on the telephones and offices of our friends and neighbours (Indonesias presidents wife, East Timor to steal their oil and gas) I’d be a little careful about NOT believing that your being listened to. Its an Alinsky tactic (see Dr Strangelove re Fear). For example, the hospital that arranged to have me spiked with benzos tried to disappear the evidence of this and then slander me as insane for claiming I had been drugged without my knowledge. And its worked a treat, the government has had to go to some extreme lengths to ensure no one believes me and deny me access to legal representation. The history of protecting abusers within institutions on display for all to see.
    Didn’t Ernest Hemmingway get a few zaps to the head for making “unsubstantiated claims” of being spied on?
    Think the ‘confessional’ is in confidence? Think again. Your doctor, priest, lawyer can have ‘coercive measures’ used to have them release confidential information (HCA 47) Eavesdropping has been around for a loooong time.
    “Would you spy on your brother? Would you eat your dead brothers flesh? Nay, yea would abhor it”
    Still, glad your off the drugs Derek.

  • I hear Albert Pierrepoint is out of work.

    Take a leaf out of our current Minister for Healths book (ie calling torture “referral”) and call it neck manipulation and that way Pierrepoint can claim it on Medicare.
    Even better news, the ability to overlook human rights abuses? Y’all started it 🙂

  • Yes to that last paragraph Steve McCrea.

    It’s okay Stevie, the redness from the spanking will be gone soon enough. Why is it that like our politicians who are not willing to send their own kids to war, Mental Health professionals seem to not want their own families given the ‘treatments’ that are available? See for example a recent episode of Dateline where a mother who was a mental health professional did everything within her power to ensure her son did not get evaluated by a psychiatrist despite being a serious danger to self or others. Though she did recommend the services for all other members of the community.

  • Our current Minister for Health likes to use psychiatry to conceal human rights abuses. He is like the thief who wants his stealing to be an illness called kleptomania. By medicalizing the human rights abuses he knows they can side step all those pesky agreements not to torture and use arbitrary detentions. Mind you who is going to complain about a guy who with a phone call can have you (and your family) fuking destroyed.

    So despite knowing full well that I was kidnapped and tortured he simply relabels this as being ‘referral’ and ‘detention’ and misdirects complaints to a medical watchdog with no teeth, and with a whistle slanders the complainant. They say you get what you pay for and this guy is getting a few too many peanuts for some seriously old cons.

  • Good movie Oldhead. Worth having a look at the documentary “Madness in the Fast Lane” about twin sisters who they found it difficult to stick a label on, and the problems the courts can have with the issue of madness. If it is Bouffee dilerante then surely the individual is no longer mad and should be set free. How can you keep a sane person locked up when they were not responsible for their actions whilst insane. Still, sure you have seen the hypocrisy played out in our courts before.

    And isn’t the judge making a BIG call on causality without any firm ground to stand on?
    Got doctors here using the ED as their own “unintentionally negatively outcoming” centres not even being questioned about the causality of their conduct, they are seen as being ‘realists’. Simply nothing our politicians can do about it apart from pass a Euthanasia Bill and try and limit them to 6 months. No licence and they call it a mental illness. Bizarre if you ask me
    Thanks for the update

  • One of the problems with our system is that people can self appoint as your power of attorney, and then lawyers and doctors don’t need to inform you that your not speaking for yourself anymore. So for example, the person who spikes me rings the lawyers I approach and claims (falsely) that they have power of attorney for me, and then the lawyers simply state to me that there are things they can not tell me.What is it that they can not tell me? That the person who put drugs into my drink without my knowledge doesn’t want to go to prison and so they want no action taken. I would have thought that lawyers and doctors would need some form of evidence that this person was acting on behalf of another before doing this but ….. I mean imagine how this works with rapists. Vicitm contacts police and then police are contacted by the newly appointed power of attorney and told drop the complaint. And that is what happened to me when I complained about the spiking, FACT. No checking if the person claiming to be my doctor actually was, simply prefer that to be true and so it is. FACT
    I would have thought that the admission by my ‘carer’ to attempting to plunge a knife into my chest whilst I was laying on a couch might have been a clue, or the fact she stated she had spiked me with benzos to deprive me of my liberty and make it easy to plant a knife on me but no. Just don’t seem like caring things to do to me, but police obviously see it otherwise. And of course she convinced a Community Nurse to lie to police and that really was the kicker, they were up for beating a mental patient then. Kneejerk action, mental patient get the guns loaded. No checks and when it became apparent during my interrogation that I wasn’t a “patient” the subject was immediately dropped and redirected to me being verballed. Bit like their wrongful convictions, don’t stop when you come up against something that means this person couldn’t have done the criime, just get rid of any inconvenient truth. FACT
    This Community Nurse knew at first he was torturing someone he thought was a patient (note to authorities, he has been doing ‘remotes’ for private clinic psychologists FACT), but step it up when he knew he was torturing a citizen and was about to kidnap them. And let me swear this before God, he knew alright. And wasn’t he worried about the police figuring it out. Got a lot of respect for their intelligence huh Mr Community Nurse, And boy did you think quick on your feet, mind you you werent the one who had been spiked with benzos huh.

  • The Mental Health Law Centre was being used as a ‘venus fly trap’ in my State. Attracting victims in with the hope of receiving effective legal representation, finding out what the victim had by way of evidence, and then throwing them under the bus and going for lunch with the Minister.
    Go ahead deny it you fukn scabs. And haven’t you done a big favour for those who actually do their jobs and represent their clients effectively, rather than pretend they don’t know the law and hand on ‘poison pen’ letters to folk in the hope it will cause their suicide.

  • Someone poisoned my drink and gave it to me and the police bought that it was ‘medicine’, so they never needed to put anything to the courts about me chosing to drink the stuff. Mind you some of the things they do to people labelled “patients’ is disgusting, but they also know that any complaints never go anywhere. In my instancce it was just unfortunate that they treated me like an animal and then found out I wasn’t really a “patient’. Never mind the power of fraud when you need to change someones status eh?

    And yet here we are with penalties for tampering with food being increased by our Federal Government, and police letting the team down with their ‘discretionary powers’ and allowing citizens to be ‘spiked’ with date rape drugs for convenience.Doctors signing prescriptions for the spiking of people they haven’t even met 12 hours after they were spiked. How does that work if someone is harmed? I mean surely the person doing the spiking needs to have more qualifications than being a bus driver? Not exactly a medical degree is it?

  • So, my point is that in the case of Prof. John Kearsley when he spiked the young womans drink with half the amount of benzodiazepines that I was given and she woke to him sucking on her nipple this was not a “medical sexual assault” but rather simply a “sexual assault”. Now this guy has the right to prescribe these date rape drugs. The people who decided to spike me had no such prescribing rights, and were fully aware that I would not take them even if doctor suggested that I do. Still when one needs to plant items for police, the target being conscious can be a problem so my government tells me they are allowing citizens to spike other citizens with benzos if its in a good cause (ie makes police job easier if the evidence is planted). And any complaints and they slander folk with the “theres no evidence of the drugging therefore this is a paranoid delusion and the nutjoib needs drugging”.
    Secondly, this issue of police discretionary powers allows racism to run rampant in our institutions. By being allowed to decide who is and isn’t charged any claim that the numbers of people who are black and in prison is a result of racism can be dismissed easily. Its just a coincidence that black people are charged more often than white folk, and seem to end up with prison sentences for such serious matters as stealing a packet of pencils from Walmart, but a kidnapper can be overlooked because he’s a nice guy and plays on the same football team as me.
    When you think about it though police don’t really have a lot of use for pencils. Whereas someone who can arrange spikings with stupefying drugs and kidnappings and make it look like “medicine” might be handy if you wanted to subject someone to an interrogation and thought they wouldn’t talk. And then just exercise your discretionary afterwards. I mean it does violate the Convention against the use of Torture but …. you gunna complain to police about it? The public? Waaahahahaha they tell me they’ll fuking destroy you if you do.
    Mental Health can even clean up the ‘mess’ afterwards by chemically restraining the victim and calling the resulting behaviours a mental illness with there slandering and fraud. Seen it done and well, have a set of documents that would be a great training resource for anyone wishing to do it. Policegave up trying to retrieve them when it was realised they hd gone too far. Too many eyes watching to keep committing serious offences against the public. Not a good look threatening psychologists to find out “who else has got the documents”. Can put you in touch with a Clinical Director if fine tuning is required.

  • I’m not sure there is such a thing as “medical kidnapping” ToostubborntoDie, its simply kidnapping. (Dr John Kearsley was not doing a breast examination, its actually called sexual assault) Though as a victim of this conduct by someone pretending to have the authority to do it (and who stooged police into helping him) I have found that the embarrassment for our police of being assistants to a kidnapper is just too great for them to want to do anything about it, and so they provide further assistance to compound or conceal evidence of criminal offences, fail to perform their duties, and conspire to pervert the course of justice. All further serious criminal offences but given they are the ones who decide what action is taken against criminals, they decide that none will ever be taken.
    It is an assumption made by those with a duty to act against such kidnappings that the criminal was acting in “good faith” that created problems for me. They are good people who are trying to ‘help’. This was nothing of the sort and was a vicious attack on me by a psychologist who did not like some of the things I had to say, and took the opportunity to exploit her position to harm me, and by proxy my family. Still, she is off doing it to many others while I bang my head against a brick wall and attempt to have her enablers do their duty. Though I have begun to realise that these are the same folk who enabled child raping priests for 30 plus years, and we know how thats worked out. “We viewed these assaults as being the result of ‘character flaws’ and not as ‘criminal offences’. Really? Talk about the proverbial blind eye.
    I’m sure the police/mental health ‘professionals’ frown on the kidnapper in their midst, but reputation rules so they must provide support to corrupt public officers unfortunately. In fact it can be quite handy to have such a person in your pocket.
    Advanced directives are a bit like your human rights, only effective when you don’t need them. I think it was George Carlin who said “think you’ve got human rights? Google Japanese Americans 1940”.

  • Few things I could say, but the one that stands out for me is the idea of the psychiatric industrial complex as being the “helping professions”. I think it would need to be demonstrated that what is being done by these professionals actually helps people first before jumping the gun and calling it help. Surely this claim relies on the perspective that one takes? I know from the perspective of patient it looks nothing like help. Increased risk of suicide, death, biological damage from drugs, poverty from the fraudulent and slanderous labels applied without any scientific basis in fact …..
    Glad to hear there are places in China that lack these services. Might make a good place to do a study of what life is like without these “helping professions”. I also note that the ‘crackdown’ on Uighers resembles quite closely the provisions being used to abuse human rights with our Mental Health Act. Lets just not call it arbitrary detentions and torture, but referral and lawful detention. Andd with a Minister that answers to no one what do we have? Certainly not a democracy.

    Minister, surely your inability to recognise a basic legal protection afforded the public will alow arbitrary detentions by public officers?

    Yes I had crayfish and caviar for my lunch with Roger Federer and no i’m not telling you how much of the taxpayers money that cost.

    Huh?

    It makes me cringe to hear Australias’ media complain about human rights abuses in China and present it on the tv as if it is something exotic and culturally different. I always live in the hope that at the end of these programs they would say something like “If you would like more information about human rights abuses or would like to see them first hand, visit you local Guantanamo Bay franchise at a hospital near you”.

  • These rights they speak of are a crock.Let me tell you this, that if the government here wants to subject citizens to torture and kidnapping all they need to do is to use the powers of the Mental Health Act and this flushes your human rights down the toilet. So how can we do that I hear you ask? Well, have police hand you over to a ‘doctor’ for an ‘assessment’ and now you are subject to “lawful sanction” and can be tortured to death if they wish. Of course as I have so often heard when I have explained this to people that these are good people and “they wouldn’t do that”. And after examining the documents I have they tend to agree that they would do that but best I keep my mouth shut or they will “fuking destroy” me and my family too. I mean how else do you keep your good reputation except by killing anyone who complains about your “service”.
    To all those who looked and ran away, I give you the finger. And when (not if) your human rights are being abused there will be one less person capable of understanding and helping you. Where o where do we get these public officers who cause al this trouble and leave the cover ups to incompetents? Letting the victim away with the documents? You idiot. Make sure before you send the fraudulent ones to lawyers that you have the originals, lest someone turn up in a politicians office with both sets. And don’t let anyone else in on the killing in the ED, that means we are going to be watched and used by others in future.
    Give me a job in the Government, I can lecture police and mental health workers on the use of torture methods and how to do these cover ups properly.
    If the world serves you lemons, make lemonade I say. So what is the potential for a business in torture tourism. People come here to pat the koalas and find themselves referred to our mental health services for treatment. Once we have the required information we can send them home with a prescription for some serious brain damaging chemicals. Hey, North Korea is doing it and well, nobody seems to be doing much about that either?
    And to the criminals that tried to knock me in the ED. Almost like someone was watching wasn’t it? God? Nah, look a little lower down the ladder people. It wasn’t really magic, and I ain’t Lazarus. It wasn’t me in the bag so to speak lol. Best they pass this “Assisted Dying Bill” because from what I’ve seen its a bit too easy to slip a few past the Coroner. Might be best were at least seen to be doing something. Though how it will work with a Chief Psychiatrist and Minister who don’t recognise a “burden of proof” i will never know.

  • Actually I’m a Muslim and there are reasons we do not

    (A) want intoxicating stupefying drugs forced down our throats just as much as we don’t want pork or alcohol.
    (B) committing acts of fraud and slander in Islam are serious offences to God.

    So go and beat up on the Buddists because they’re passifists and you will find that we have a tendency to defend ourselves from those who would assault us, despite the efforts at concealing their methods of assault. Spiking is poisoning. Concealing the facts does not make the poisoned person paranoid (though it does make one concerned about who to trust when it s being authorised by a Cabinet Minister/Chief Psychiatrist), it makes them a victim of organised criminals, liars and frauds.

    Even our current Minister for Health insists on calling kidnapping and torture ‘referral’ and ‘detention’ and then dog whistles a persons sanity for questioning his misrepresentation of crimes as ‘medicine’. How much of this perverting the course of justice you doing Minister? Because unless you have been totally incompetent in your ‘investigation’ you would be aware of the human rights abuses I have been subjected to. Bit busy with lunch at the mo are we? Nothing wrong with spiking citizens and then subjecting them to interrogations? Its okay, we just threaten their legal representatives if they complain.

  • The way it is done in Australia is they have you agree to your medical records being accessible by all doctors (with strict security measures in place) and then tell you theres been a terrible accident and the data has been breached. Sorry about that but we accidentally released your records with our negligence to everyone. Oh well, maybe you shouldnt have listened when we said it was safe.
    Doctors here are breaching peoples confidentiality all the time. They know if they keep their mouths shut no one can do anything about it. My records that were legally bound (at great expense I might add) turned up in a public hospital as a result of a breach of confidence. Do you think I can get a lawyer to have something done about it? And given that this clinic boasts a rather select clientele (the richest man is Australia, some of our politicians) they have cause for concern about what they have discussed with Doc. Especially with a psychologist releasing that information to any one who gives her a call at her other job. She tells me she does quite a lot of this ‘pro bono’ work.

  • So do we have a problem working with Muslims?

    One of our previous Prime Ministers described Islam as a “Death Cult”.

    I’ve got no issue with Scientologists. If they’ve got a brick of logic to throw through the fraudulent and slandeous window of psychiatry, i’m gunna use it. Call me names while your sweeping up the shattered glass.

    Someone once told me coffee would taste better if I put the milk in before hot water, but I can’t use the idea because their a Scientologist and I wouldn’t want people thinking I was becoming one too.

    I wouldn’t be getting too worried about gossips and back biters. They are easily identified and tend to deal with themselves.

  • Yes, Note the staff had a right to feel safe, but not the patients. In fact we are at the point in our system here that staff are being provided with stab vests and more security guards than the US President. I also note that this is not because they are this important but that their attitude to anyone who disagrees with them is that they should be beaten senseless and chemically restrained. No means yes.
    Anger is a precrime. As stated by Sun Tzu all those years ago “the angry man can again be happy, but a city destroyed can not be rebuilt and the dead can not be brought back to life”. Some cultures encourage the expression of anger before it spills over into actual violence, others want it bottled up till it explodes in rage. Dunno which works best to be honest. Profits in drugging them both though.

  • I also note the prohibition against the use of punishment in these type of facilities.
    I was subjected to the use of punishment by a Senior Medical Officer whilst being held against my will. I requested a complaint form and the use of a pen from the nurse who had been appointed to me. I completed the Form which is for all intents and purposes an allegation of a violation of human rights. I then returned the Form to my nurse and requested a copy of it.
    Some time later I made an inquiry about what had been done regarding my complaint. What complaint? An ‘investigation’ was done by the complaints officer and it was found that they couldn’t find any record of my written complaint, and that nurses had been reminded of their duty to ensure that such complaints were actioned correctly. They also requested a copy of my copy.
    Now here’s the thing. I did my own investigation into what occurred and the nurse tells me that he placed the written complaint regarding doctors conduct into the correct tray for actioning. (So the complaints officers ‘investigation’ was nothing of the sort, she simply found a means to lay the blame on a nurse, and conceal what may constitute serious criminal misconduct.) And nurses had not been reminded of their duty to ensure such serious allegations were actioned. No one had asked the nurse concerned about the matter at all. They just make sh&t up.
    The doctor who I was complaining about would have seen this written complaint and instead of allowing others to know of his alleged abuse, had ensured that it went into the bin rather than be actioned. And this is how they deal with allegations of human rights abuses in my State. I guess they are not used to people who they inject with ‘chemical restraints’ asking for copies of important documents. Documents that may be required by such authorties as the Corruption and Crime Commission, and which have large prison terms attached to should one be convicted of destroying or rendering illegible. Still, where doctors concerned i’m sure they can overlook this serious criminal act of misconduct. Why not given the sort of stuff they are calling medicine. Mind you it does compromise those who are obstructing justice on these matters. Careful because changes in power structure might result in someone checking the facts. And now your in someone elses pocket
    This is all very typical of enabled abusers. It’s how people entrusted with the care of children got away with raping hundreds of them over a period of 30 years, and no one noticed.Well, I say no one noticed, they did but they just ensured that any complaints were dealt with via pre determined outcomes. Wonder no more about how it happened people, it was yourselves that allowed these things to occur. Look in the mirror, not to the scapegoats who are now doing a little time in prison.

  • Good article and wow you have lawyers in the US who actually do something about abuses rather than work with the abusers to cover up the problems?
    We had a situation here in my State where they were breaking a few too many necks during restraints. What they didn’t talk about was how staff provoke violence from patients in order to make their conduct meet the standards set before using violence against them. Ie if you can get a patient to use the word “no” then you can justify the use of force for anything. Another example being contradictory instructions sit down/stand up means you can not comply with both requests and your now up for being jumped by 15 security.
    I like the last comment in the article “Having a mental illness is not a crime, but treating someone with a mental illness like a criminal is, in fact, a crime”. Shame our police don’t understand this and regularly exercise their discretionary powers to enable systemic abuses of those labelled patients. Even to the point where you can break someones neck and not be held to account.
    Lawyers that actually speak up about abuses, well ya learn something new every day. Because the folk here in my State at the Mental Health Law Centre tell me they don’t even know what a burden of proof is. And they have put that in writing for me. That level of incompetence is more than just negligent, it is positively dangerous for all concerned. Would you allow these folk to examine if the welfare of your loved one had been violated? Abuses could run rampant and no one would even notice, in fact this explains a number of failures on the part of our community to even notice abuses which have eventually come to light. So who benefits from this type of negligence on the part of these lawyers? And are they rewarded for it in any way?
    Suspect on reasonable grounds, the standard legal protection against arbitrary detentions they tell me has been rewritten (without parliament being involved) to suspect on grounds we believe to be reasonable which means that they can snatch anyone off the street or as in my case from their beds for any reason they like, and this can not be questioned. Now to me the use of arbitrary detentions by public officers is a concern. But one of the lawyers at the MHLC tells me that the public being protected from this is “not in the spirit of the Act”. How could such a lawyer be a protection against human rights abuses when she doesn’t know what the protections afforded are? Still, I guess she is used to abusing her position of trust and throwing a few victims under a bus for authorities. I’m sure her career will be paved with gold. Disgraceful
    In fact, one of the protections under the law is the completion of a statutory declaration to list the reasonable grounds for detaining a person. Now a smart criminal might notiice that they could make it sound like they had reasons to detain when they didn’t. But if lawyers fail to put this sworn testimony to the test then the said crims have a free reign to do these arbitray detentions and no one will be held to account. Which is PRECISELY what is occurring in my State. Want to snatch a citizen from their bed, fill out a fraudulent stat dec and ensure it is not put to the test. The victims lawyers will assist in this matter. Can I prove it, you bet I can. I don’t know how these people sleep at night

  • Ah the Cult of the Curve. If only they fell within the range of us ‘Normal’ people. Sadly they don’t and we will need to exclude them from our definition of human and bring them under control by any means necessary.

    Shocked and saddened when you found out that those defined as mentally ill have no rights? Me too Mike. What made it even worse was how easy a doctor in my country can remove those human rights by drugging people without their knowledge and having police beat them sensless till they comply with your wishes. We have a media that complains when a gay person can not have a cake made for their wedding by a baker who is a Christian, but simply ignore the use of known torture methods being employed in our hospitals and being called medicine.

    I laugh that the discussions surrounding ‘mental illness’ you speak of during lunch times (oh my family member has type 2 bi polar with ….blah blah blah) is reduced to the big three mental illnesses by our police. Window lickers, psychos and nutjobs. At least they are operating with no illusions of what they are actually doing for doctors. And it becomes obvious that they are aware of the lack of human rights of patients given the ‘outcomes’ we see regularly. Not that this would be discussed openly or honestly by those concerned.Its a tough job convincing folk to be subjected to torture disguised as medicine, and if we can’t shoot a few to scare the rest into compliance where will it all end?
    Anyhow, glad you finally got to see what is really going on in these organisations. Lot of folk never grow in stature enough to recognise their hypocrisy.

  • There might have been a time when they may have done that oldhead. And I really don’t know what its like in the US anymore, i was there pre 9/11 but here in Australia the media are in lock step with the government. They are cloaking their propaganda role by claiming they are holding government accountable.
    Whistleblowers are in for some serious trouble here these days. And this because the media are handing over their sources willingly, or as a result of raids by Federal Police. Its also the case that human rights have been placed on hold via some rather slick legal tricksters (you know who you are) who claim to have the public interest at heart.
    Spying (eavesdropping) on the ‘confessional’ is an old trick, but a good one when people are stupid enough to trust you.

  • Might be that I just got a copy of Arthur Millers’ The Crucible to read.

    A strange twist to my story. The Catholic priest who was also a doctor (pretending to be a psychiatrist) and who gave me three mental illnesses based on me living with my wife and having a degree, and wanted me injected with traquillizers, wrote a book. Apparently in that book he tells his tale of being kidnapped by Yemeni tribesmen and held against his will. So I guess he has an understanding of what it is like to be subjected to his sort of treatment, and has quite possibly come to the decision that he is going to pay back every Muslim in town for the way he was treated. This guy wants em on their knees to him. Worship the god you stand before? Good move on the part of the Community Nurse who slanders Muslims as wife beaters though. Lets just up the ante eh? Hands his fraudulent verbal onto this guy to ‘upgrade’ the fraud.
    Good on ya doc, ya stinking fraud and slanderer.

  • When IS get their hands on you they put you to the test to see if you are Sunni or Shia. Lots of Shia try to pretend they are Sunni but are identified fairly quickly and given ‘treatment’ for their illness.
    I think there are a lot of similarities between what IS is trying to achieve, and what those in power in our society are trying to achieve, hence the overlap in the methods being employed.
    Once the mental health lynch mob gets a sniff of a Scientologist, there’s gunna be a showdown

    Posted this before when one of the Authors here was being attacked for her tenuous ‘links’ to Scientology. Monty Python once again hits the nail on the head.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

  • In my State a psychiatrist need only call police and they will do exactly what they are told. Even if they know they are breaking the law by doing so. Our politicians?
    Our treasurer who was given some time in the newspapers for sniffing the chair of our Minister for Mental Health in parliament (her sh&t don’t stink) had to flee the State to obtain treatment for his bipolar disorder after he knew where police were going to take him if they got their hands on him. (He had got drunk and had side swiped a few cars on his way home) I always wondered why he couldn’t obtain adequate mental health services for his illness without getting out of town so quickly. But the police had been knocking on his door wanting a word (and were quite possibly going to drop him at a hospital for an ‘assessment’). I think he was aware of where that was going and fled the State.
    If our politiicans are not safe from what are termed “bad faith referrals” and police are basically tools of those who are really pulling the strings, then where do we start?
    Our lawmakers don’t even recognise the protections they put in our Acts of Parliament, they rewrite our laws to suit without any amendments being presented to Parliament, and police don’t even have copies of the Criminal Code in their Stations and simply do whatever Doctor orders, despite the claim by our Prime Minister that Australians are a people who value a rule of law. He should spend a day as an Aboriginal.

  • A good idea to stop these pesky little “activists” and advance the cause of capitalism. I mean who wants their child attending protests about the wholesale destruction of the planet for profit ending up being identified via facial recognition and then ‘selected’ for treatment. Best you go to school today dearie and learn all about the nutritional value of the Big M and Coke.
    Nothing that the Russians don’t have experience with though, given heir treatment of political dissidents in the past.

  • Mental health professionals so desperate to have people forcefully drugged for illnesses people don’t have that they will resort to tactics of spiking and planting knives, and stooging police for referrals.
    So what was it that the Senior Constable found it best that he didn’t know? That the psychologist who came up with this plan with my wife had a husband who is a psychiatrist. At the very same hospital where my wife and the psychologist groomed me to attend. Still, by the look on the face of Dr I’m the Boss around here, they weren’t expecting any interference in their back up plan. Not with police turning their backs on the documents I had proving what I was saying to be true. We prefer to slander folk who come in to police stations with evidence as being nutjobs.
    Motive? Conspire to stupefy and commit an indictable offence, namely kidnapping. Or “patient”dies from overdose in ED as a result of morphine from an unknown source, in combination with ‘chemical restraint’. He did say “no”.
    Yeah, probably best you don’t look Senior Constable.

  • I had one of those bug lights at one stage. Bit too much like ECT for my liking, lil bugs being fried. I’m hoping someday to get the updated version that sedates them before zapping them into oblivion. Same result for the bugs, but I feel so much better watching their demise.

    RIP Kevin Spratt

    Hey I just realised what my wife meant about her and the psychologists plan to spike me with benzos and plant a knife on me ending up being a “suicide by police”. I was lucky I didn’t get shot. Still, everything there for a cover up.

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/mental-health-plea-after-wa-woman-killed-ng-s-1968548

    Ever had police tell you “it might be best I don’t know about that” during an investigation into serious criminal offences? I have.

  • I saw a brief piece on RTNews today regarding what is being called “Eco-Anxiety”. Might be the latest addition to the DSM? Any child who complains about the destruction of the planet for corporate gain is mentally ill, and will be treated for that illness.
    Looks a bit like the trial separation has ended and they’re back from their second honeymoon oldhead lol.

  • Doctor in an Emergency Dept is doing a few killings for organised crims. He does this with confidence that his colleagues will recognise that it is not in the public interest to take action against him. Police will do nothing more than turn anyone complaining away, politicians will refer them to organisations set up to run people in circles, and lawyers will gaslight and feign incompetence to frustrate cause of action and pervert the course of justice.
    Obviously one needs to be a little careful and provide a crumb trail for the Coroner and anyone else who might take a peek. But basically it’s a foregone conclusion that no one will be held accountable. The use of the provisions of the Mental Health Act to procure police assistance, and with the ability to slander victims as ‘mentally ill’ and render any assistance they might obtain worthless. I’m sure anyone who has been ‘treated’ by these folk know what i’m talking about.
    But what about the situation where word gets around that Doc is doing a few extra curriculars? Well, fortunately the system is designed to ensure that the public are not made aware of what is occurring in our hospitals, lest they loose faith in the negligent authorities.
    Chief Psychiatrist has a look (so investigations are done) and finds there have been a number of ‘unintentionaal negative outcomes’ occuring in the EDs. But this can not be made public as there would be calls for someone to be held accountable and we can not have this, not in the public interest to know that authorities are not only allowing organised crims to operate in our hospitals, but are actually doing much of the dirty work for them. Police providing kidnapping and torture services exploiting the loophole in the Convention (article 1.1) and Doctor exploiting the lack of motive for the crime of murder. Means and opportunity, but minus a confession there is no motive.
    How embarrassing to later find out one was acting in good faith but unwittingly doing the dirty work of criminals. Altruistic evil. Cover ups are so common their is a script written for them. I can point you to an Operations Manager who can explain further should anyone require a copy. Negligence with plausible deniability, fraudulent documents, threatening and intimidation of victims family/friends, and slander anyone who makes a complaint via backstabbing and gossip/rumours. Our current Minister for Health likes to use the ‘dog whistle’ method of slandering suggesting that any complainants who don’t ‘get with the program’ might need some medical intervention rather than examining the evidence objectively. Guess he has a copy of the book of cover ups.
    Good business model when you think about it.

  • A ‘science’ that declares Jeffrey Dahmer sane, but the people he was killing and eating ill, and in need of ECT and chemical castration? People who behave like Ariel Castro and call what they do ‘care’ coz they have a license from the State to do it? Going to come aa day when these people are marched past the corpses of the people they have harmed. It just doesn’t feel like that will be anytime soon. It’s actually worth looking at what the National Socialists who were put on trial at Nuremberg did and said. Don’t admit that what you were doing was wrong etc. The mindset is quite striking when compared to what Mr Whitaker states above.

  • I don’t know that I feel invalidated and gaslighted by the psych industry, that only came after being kidnapped and tortured by them. And when I started complaining about them breaking the law they destroyed my family and all aspects of my social life etc. I had no idea of course that they had the level of support to do that but ….
    I note that you say Abena was only in psych for a few days and was then treated in a number of untis and by a number of disciplines. Thus she has seen a number of real doctors who have perhaps ensured she got the treatment she needed. This is not what occurs at the Ariel Castro Memorial that snatched me from my bed. They don’t spend enough time with yu to take more than your age and address before injecting you with enough tranquillizers to lay out an elephant for a month.
    Sad that you feel your lived experience is being denied and invalidated Kitty because I cant say I know much about it.

  • I like it plebtocracy. I’ve been wondering the same thing myself. After reading Viktor Frankls Mans search for Meaning it must have seemed to him that it would never end, and then all of a sudden …….
    Strange that we need a Police State to protect us from an Islamic State. Fighting fire with fire gets everybody burned. Oh well, not like they weren’t warned. A planet without people is a planet without mental illness. Job done.

  • I like it Bruce, a very helpful list.
    I must say I prefer Concrete Blondes version of Everybody Knows but …..
    Speaking of the Scientologists I can not thank them enough for the work they did in my State where the new Mental Health Bill tried to give some powers to psychiatrist that seemed to me (and others) to be open to abuse. Children consenting to ECT and forced sterilization without parental consent.
    https://cchr.org.au/articles/children-able-to-consent-to-sterilisation-and-12-year-olds-to-consent-to-psychosurgery-and-electroshock-without-any-parental-consent-in-w-a
    Good that much of it had to be put on the backburner or find loopholes. Very little said regarding the possible abuses came from the human rights lawyers who are basically reliant on State government funding and will throw their clients under a bus if requested by the Minister. But it does create the appearance of fairness and equity.
    It seemed a little obvious which section of our community was going to be targeted, and it resulted in a mass walk out of psychiatrists from our public system. This reminds me of another song…… You keep a knockin but you can’t come in. Though i’m sure it won’t be long before they are back tomorrow night to try it again.
    I do hope that someone with an interest in the abuses of psychiatry and indigenous politics keeps a finger on the pulse of what our government is doing here in Australia. Because going by our history, our indigenous population must be feeling a little nervous.
    Thanks again
    Regards
    Boans

  • Just regarding the prohibition on these drugs.
    You speak of Muslim alcoholics and Catholics who have abortions. This is of course true, and I have met the same. However, this is a choice that these people make willingly and I assume they have been informed by their community of the dangers associated with such behaviour.
    I had a discussion with one psychiatrist here some time back regarding me being a lot more fun when i’m drunk, but I do not wish to be restrained and have alcohol poured down my throat at a party because others would like me to be partying. And should I turn and become violent as a result of being forced, would they then blame something internal to me (ie my illness) or the disinhibition from the alcohol?
    So the issue of choice is involved. A slippery slope indeed.
    Here in Australia I have come to find out that mental health services have been given the power to drug citizens without their knowledge with date rape drugs. A refusal to speak to a mental health professional could get you a death sentence. I believe if I were in the US this would constitute torture but here in Australia doctors have been given carte blanche on the human rights abuses, not only with those with a status of “patient”but anybody they like who can be made into a “patient” post hoc. Police will not take action against a doctor. In fact they don’t even have copies of the Criminal Code they tell me. This despite our Prime Minister stating that Australians are a people who value a rule of law. Then why place doctors and lawyers above it? Though he did also note the State Corruption bodies were being used as kangaroo courts to conceal the wrongdoing of our politicians etc.
    Still, given this do you think that it is right to drug someone without their informed consent in the hope that they will recognise that it is good for them? Because my issue lies in the fact that whilst being pinned down and having alcohol forced down my throat might let me have a good time at the party, but i’m also the one who has to suffer from the hangover.
    I see a problem for our government using the covert drugging of citizens before interrogations, especially with people who not wish to be stupefied/intoxicated without their knowledge.
    I guess my question would be when do I (or Abena) loose our right to bodily integrity? I know my government says when I don’t agree to discuss a decision I have made to leave my wife with a psychologist. They can then torture and kidnap me to make sure I am making the right decision.
    I also struggle to see how you could have difficulty getting ‘assistance’ for anyone given the system we have here. My wife tells me its just a matter of telling them what they want to hear. Ie I’ve drugged him without his knowledge, he’s collapsed, and I will plant a knife and some cannabis for police when you call them and request assistance with your patient you haven’t met yet. Oh, by the way he’s a needle phobic so bring a large one to hold up and cause a little acute stress reaction, police pointing guns at him in bed might not do the trick.
    Where is my right to choose in this? No liver toxicity, no bizarre conduct, police detained a man who was asleep? Whats their justification for making a referral to a Community Nurse other than he lied and said I was his “patient”?
    Anywho, glad to hear you made Abenas life a little better before she passed Kitty. Because on the other side of the world there’s a man (and his enablers) literally destroying peoples lives and calling himself a nurse while he does it. And receiving support from police to do it.
    Would you have intervened in the health issues of Nebuchadnezzar? Or simply left him to eat grass?

  • Hi Kitty,
    Just wondering if “Abena” and her family were Muslim? And if so how did they get around the prohibition on the use of intoxicants (Khamr)?
    I guess my first thoughts were that Abena was suffering from toxicity related to liver disease, deal with the toxicity and the delusions/hallucinations stop? My second thought was that you described her as being “combative” and well, if you tranquillize someone who is combative they tend to be a little more compliant , but its not really the treating of any disease, its a three card monte. The use of these drugs in nursing homes being an example of how traquillizing folk can be used to make them manageable.

  • The legal definition is basically useless. A disturbance of thought, mood …… etc. This includes such acts as sneezing which disturbs your ability to think. A moment of insanity for which you can now meet the criteria. There are of course the ‘exclusions’ such as sexual preference, political or religious beliefs or being affected by drugs but these are easily overcome by ‘verballing’. For example a belief in God becomes a paranoid delusion because you think you are being watched. This ‘verballing’ is used all the time here in Australia to remove the protections afforded by the law. So basically it comes down to being whatever the doctor you sit in front of wants it to be..
    The recent removal from the Act of the exclusion of drugs was done to shift the drug addiction problem from police to Mental Health. Aren’t all the druggies in for a surprise when they find themselves under the ‘care’ of these vicious bastards who can assault them using drugs. They will be wishing for the good old days of police beatings in no time. And with the addition of a Euthanasia Act our streets should be cleaned up in no time.
    There is and never will be a definition of Mental Illness that works, it a rubber ruler that is used to beat up oin sections of society the way the National Socialists did with mental defectives and Jews during the war.
    Personally I think a mental illness is anyone who doesn’t think like me. Which is basically what was said by the committee that wrote the DSM.

    And lets say we get this Euthanasia Bill through and we have doctors who are snuffing out 30 patients a day, Would they be considered mentally ill, or would these compassionate killings be excluded? Not done out of hate but more to make a few bucks to feed the family.

  • Australia provided financial aid to one of the poorest nations on the planet, East Timor, to help build up their government once they achieved independence. They bugged their offices and used this spying to gain an advantage over them in negotiations surrounding the oil and gas in their territory. Someone thought this was a bit low and let it be known. They are now being prosecuted along with their lawyer because of their treasonous conduct.
    Trust my government with information obtained from spying? How low does it get basically stealing off the poorest Nation on the planet?
    A Land of Corporate Gains

  • If, and that is a big IF, what I have been told by the authorities is true, then the ability to kill anyone that the government does not like what they are saying is quite easy here. Doctor calls police and tells them who to pick up and then has an accident with them in an ED. Coroner puts it down to an overdose of morphine from an unknown source, and Bobs your uncle. Police won’t do anything because its in the public interest that your dead.
    However, I think in my instance that the police sending me away because they didn’t have a copy of the Criminal Code was as a result of a call from a doctor saying not to take the documents I had (He’s a “patient” lie used again) and they then attempted to murder me. Someone interfered in that process and thought they had retrieved the documents I had and began a campaign of slander (eg he’s mentally ill, don’t listen to him. But theres no real need to kill him for complaining doc, we have carte blanche in this State. No one will touch you for a bit of kidnapping and torture. But thanks for showing us how your doing it). When I turned up in a police station 2 years later with the documents and they tried to continue with the slander it backfired on them. Thus they were forced into looking and found …… a pile of bodies. Bit embarrassing because it was their negligence that allowed that pile of bodies to be there. Had they not sent me away from the police station 2 years earlier??? Had they taken the evidence instead of slandering me and gaslighting me? So they need to continue with their psychological attack on me to ensure nobody becomes aware of their negligence. Killing me now is of course still a possibility but with so many people aware of a motive it might not go down so well with my brothers.
    It is also the case that one is not allowed to say anything that would bring our great country into disrepute, so complaining about public officers using torture methods is a crime. And with these extra judicials being done in our hospitals via negligence? No worries about anyone ever getting to bring actions over refoulment under the Convention, there would be zero complaints ever get through. Well, unless you believe in a God that is 🙂 And once they realised they were being watched the whole time???? Repentance of course, till the next time they think no one is watching. Not my worry anymore, Ive nothing left to take. And they’re turning grey over when they are going to loose the Porches and houses and big holidays and God forbid their freedom.

  • Tried to edit but missed the time.
    So Steve the most insulted by the new Euthanasia Bill which would mean Doctors were under the glow of a candle when extinguishing life? The Australian Medical Association. Think there’s something in that for all of us lol.
    Won’t matter, as I stated above they are authorised to distribute fraudulent documents and kill people to do cover ups of their vile conduct sooooo. Not that anyone is going to talk openly about that, whistleblowers in this country have a habit of turning up dead in our Emergency Departments and the Media wouldn’t report on that. They would be raided by the Feds.
    They didn’t used to call it Accident and Emergency for nothing. It’s an Emergency someone is running to police with documented proof of our kidnapping and torture, quick we need to have an Accident. Means and opportunity, but without motive, no investigation, and thus no crime.
    So the fraudulent documents in my case were covering what? A motive for …….? Fairly easy for authorities from that point I’m guessing. Still not in the public interest, despite the need to continue to breach the Convention against the use of Torture and not assist the victim. Just wait long enough and they seem sure to gaslight to a suicide. Negligent frauds and slanderers.
    It really isn’t that sophisticated to be honest. Busy Emergency Dept, take morphine from patient and inject one you have loaded with a ‘chemical restraint’ and tip em over the top. And a government that will do cover ups of their little Accidents. Simple

  • My lawyer (if they could actually be called that) made an application for documents relating to a specific date and what they have termed ‘referral’ and ‘detention’. There are specific rules that allow my lawyers to examine unredacted documents to ensure that a persons human rights are not being violated. A hospital may be able to keep certain information from you, but not your lawyer (for obvious reasons).
    The set of documents received by my legal representative removed documents showing that I had been drugged without my knowledge with benzodiazepines, and that the Community Nurse had lied to police stating I was his “patient”. In thieir place they had taken documents from an old file and gave a legal narrative that meant I had been a “patient” of this hospital for more than 10 years. The memo from the Clinical Director states that he has “edited” the documents for the lawyers. I call it fraud and well, a Member of Parliament became quite concerned when I explained the two different sets to him and that police had failed to retrieve the documents I had. So fraud is “editing”, kidnapping and torture “referral” and “detention” and despite having documented proof they simply persist with the lies. I spent months arguing with the lawyers trying to have them recognise a basic legal protection contained in the Act. Of course what I didn’t know was that they were engaged in a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice and were slandering me as a paranoid delusional. A narrative that suits the criminals for the present.
    Point being that it doesn’t matter what the doctors write, say do …… no one is going to do anything about it. Its not in the public interest even if they are slaughtering people wholesale for organised crims. Great for doctors and associated medical professionals, not so good for the victims. Annoying me that I have been paying taxes for police to provide a torture and kidnapping service for them though. As long as they arrange to plant evidence for the police to find, they will snatch anyone from their home and deliver them to the desired address post haste. What doc does from there is up to them.
    Oh how I wish this wasn’t the truth. A doctor here even went in to police and provided the murder weapon, the place where she had put the body and a full and unconditional confession and police embarrasingly still did nothing. The head of the AMA told her to contact him for a “sophisticated” knowledge of the law to avoid going to jail. Ie I’ll tell ya how to kill em and get away with it. Front page of the newspaper.
    She was obviously trying to force a debate, and we are now discussing a Euthanasia Bill in Parliament. Not that there is much discussion, they need it passed without the public knowing why. Getting a little out of hand in our hospitals with the ‘unintended negative outcoming’ i’m afraid.
    So for example in the case of Garth Daniels, even if Doc Katz were to kill him with his ‘treatment’ nothing would be done as it would not be in the “Public Interest”. I think the Public should actually start taking an Interest in what some of these Quacks are actually doing.

  • See to me conspiring to torture and kidnap and doing things that are unlawful to make what you are doing appear lawful is in many ways worse than just doing it. It shows clear intent to deceive.
    So this Community Nurse knows what he was doing was torture BUT he also knows if he lies to police and gives the victim the false status of “patient” he is free to torture and kidnap any citizen he likes.
    Forgive my illness getting in the way of my democracy but I thought the public would be outraged by a public officer knowingly torturing citizens. Here’s the kicker though, who could benefit from such a loophole? And who is turning their back on the victims? No Criminal Code in a large metropolitan police station? Arrested for having the proof of kidnapping and torture? Our Chief Psychiatrist and the Minister for Mental Health don’t even know what a burden of proof is?
    One wonders if it isn’t the case that this has been going on for years and they simply don’t want the work of identifying all the victims of these organised criminals and would rather not look like the fools they have been taken for. Because believe me you really need to be a fool to not see that a Community Nurse isn’t allowed to conspire to drug citizens without their knowledge and arrange to have items planted on them for police to find, and then lie to have police provide him with torture and kidnapping services.Its called procuring, though minus a criminal code he will get away with this for a long time to come.
    Drugging suspects without their knowledge before interrogations, planting evidence and then finding it at convenient times, and the ability to use ‘coercive’ methods to obtain information from doctors, psychologists, priests and lawyers (ACC v Stoddart HCA 47 of 2010) and they really have it covered. Federal Police are now doing raids on journalists who might publish anything they do not want the public to know. Democracy? Strange sort of perversion of it, more a National Socialist Democracy.

  • Glad to hear your on the road to recovery Jane. I’m not a fan of the term Side Effects though, they’re just effects. For example the effect of me not wanting to speak to a Community Nurse was that I was spiked with benzodiazepines and had police point weapons at me to cause an ‘acute stress reaction’ and force me to talk. And this was quite effective, as it resulted in said Community Nurse being able to put words in my mouth and make it look like what he was doing was lawful. Snatched from my bed after being spiked with a date rape drug and thuis guy is having some major side effects on my relationships with others. In fact my ability to trust hasn’t returned in over 8 years (along with my ability to see my family etc). Fortunately after being subjected to 7 hours of interrogation whilst drugged without my knowledge it was found that there was nothing wrong with me and I was released back in to society. With an altered view of how these mental health professionals are caring for our community of course. Its a tough job especially when the public is becoming aware of how they are failing miserably with their mass drugging program. They need police to point weapons at people and covertly drug people with stupefying/intoxicating drugs to obtain compliance. I’m afraid that one of the side effects of being subjected to this type of ‘treatment’ is suicide. It’s the use of a persons loved one as the person to do the spiking for them that is the problem. See they have them do the dirty to you and then exercise their discretionary powers to ignore the criminal acts. Then by appointing your loved one as your ‘carer’ they are free to gaslight you to death basically, because all the while your wondering why they are doing the things they are doing to you. Not knowing that they are working with criminals who are pretending to be public officers/health care professionals. Their true colors are shown when you complain about their conduct though. They make it quite clear how powerful they are, and how they simply destroy anyone who wishes to make a legitimate complaint. And these are not idle threats.
    Fortunately the government is authorising the distribution of fraudulent documents to lawyers to ensure they are not held to account for these side effects. Their slandering of victims is working just fine to ensure the public isn’t made aware of the cause of their effects. And who is going to challenge these people? Easier to just feign shock later when their disgusting conduct is finally exposed, and live in the hope that they don’t come kicking in your door.
    Anywho, wish you luck in your future endeavours.
    Regards
    Boans

  • https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/Pages/McGowan/2019/08/Landmark-voluntary-assisted-dying-legislation-to-be-introduced.aspx

    Imagine how these “protections” are going to work given the state of Mental Health protections. I can’t even find a lawyer who knows what a burden of proof is. Mind you I get it that the kangaroo court system we have ensures that no complaints about human rights abuses see the light of day. These are something ‘they’ do not us. Can’t say I necessarily disagree with the legislation, just not in the hands of the corrupt criminals I have dealt with over the past years. I guess getting a finger on the pulse might be better than the current carte blanche blind eye system we have.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0d8kpybVg

    Needed the bed i’m afraid.

  • There’s an element of Alinsky tactics about this David Son. Your ‘enemy’ makes moves to protect themselves from you so you label them paranoid and use this as a justification for disarming them. Then you attack them once they have been disarmed.
    I note that in my case police used the fact I claimed to have been drugged without my knowledge as a justification to make a referral to Mental Health, despite me placing documents in front of them that I had been spiked. A psychologist explained that making a claim that you have been drugged with documented proof was not a hallucination, and thus they wouldn’t pick me up and drug me sensless for them.
    This meant I was to be arrested for having the documents that proved I had been spiked. What the charge would be I have no idea, but police tell me they don’t have a copy oif the Criminal Code these days and must therefore be winging it.
    Similarly a doctor used his paranoid delusion to justify using a chemical restraint on me that would lay an elephant out for a month. Apparently I had “potential for violence but no clear intent or actual history”. This after being drugged without my knowledge have police snatch me out of my bed and transport me against my will to a hospital based on a ‘verbal’. Without clear intent or actual history what does he have? A potential? You need treating for a potential these days? Still, a Catholic priest as well as a doctor who has probably done a bit of this silencing of complaints over the years. Funny I saw this guy two days after he tried to have me ‘snowed’. Instead of drugged without my knowledge and roughed up by police in my pyjamas, I had my suit and tie on making application for documents. I said hello to him and he responded “your looking better today” and I said “yes, must have been the ‘treatment’ eh Doc?” Like magic the three mental illnesses he had given me based on a three minute interview were gone, and there I was two days later cured and in the free world again. There really is a God huh.

  • Good question oldhead. Happy for folk to email me but its been quite a ride since my email account was compromised. So I prefer to speak to people face to face these days. Is there some way I can get my email address to folk I would like to speak with without making it public here? I’ve also had some problems with my email since I replied to the Ministers office regarding his rather offensive renaming of the kidnapping and torture I have been subjected to as being ‘referral’ and ‘detention’. I know that calling a rape a ‘good time’ might suit the rapist, but let me tell you as the victim of these criminals it just doesn’t cut it, and offends me deeply. But a simple don’t check the documents and accept the fraud and slander seems to be the method employed by these folk.
    I did spend some time with someone from here (and who was suitably qualified to comment) that yes these were “human rights abuses”, and I believe he did what he could to help but with people who are above the law what can one do? I mean Australia doesn’t want anyone external to the place knowing how they are resolving complaints regarding torture via refoulment of victims. They have a reputation to uphold.
    Couple of folk here who know my phone number.
    And of course once these vicious bastards at the hospital enact their threat to “fuking destroy” you one becomes a little hesitant to enagage with anyone official. How good is that? Like handing back Dahmers victims to him should they escape.
    Had an interesting conversation with a Health Advocate today who tells me she would have no problem with her husband spiking her and planting evidence for police if he believed she needed mental health treatment. And of course if he could have his girlfriend around while she was locked up for the weekend whilst they fabricated reasons to force drugs down her throat?? Maybe things will look a little different from the other side of the fence for her, as so many here can attest to.
    “Many patients speak about the experience like it was kidnapping and torture” she tells me. Ah yes but did you check whether it was or simply make assumptions that lead to criminals being enabled for years and then feign shock when they are finally exposed. All I ask is that these documents and the facts be examined and it is plain for all to see. Keep slandering me for the trauma I have been subjected to and well ….. Not in the public interest to at least remove a corrupt public officer from a role where he is doing untold damage to citizens. The State has a duty under the Convention against Torture to ensure he is trained in what does and does not constitute torture. AND THATS WHY HE USES POLICE TO MAKE REFERRALS TO HIM TO AVOID BREACHING THE CONVENTION. IT EXPLOITS THE LOOPHOLE OF “LAWFUL SANCTION’. TORTURE IS NO LONGER TORTURE. I don’t consider lying to police to enable the use of torture good enough. But i’m surprised by the number of people who do.
    Wonder how the lawyers who threw me under the bus benefited? Coz believe me they didn’t want the documents I had, and were only interested in the fraudulent ones from the hospital. Human rights lawyers? Cowards and frauds more like it. Still after seeing what they did to my family I cant blame them. Best they get on the winning team and exploit their positions of trust.
    Anywho oldhead, let me know what you believe the best way to pass on my contact details to anyone (though not facebook).

  • Great article Laren, flagging the stage of the Crime of the Century we find ourselves among.

    I find myself wondering about the American experience when it comes to laws which are supposed to protect “the public”. Here in Australia there is a conflict when lawyers come across people who have been subjected to torture by the State. They claim to be representing their client but have a duty to the licensing authority the State. So for example in my case they pretended to be helping me while the whole time they were working with the authorities to ensure that the use of known torture methods was not exposed. I believe that this is a breach of the Convention but who does one go to in order to have this examined? There is no avenue other than the torturers.
    I feel sure that this is not lawful as the Minister and the principle of the Law Centre have been removed fromtheir offices, but of course changing the names of these individuals wont stop the conduct, it merely makes it appear that someone has acted. And of course if my reasoning is correct these individuals have committed serious criminal offences carrying mandatory prison terms.
    The protection of the Convention against Torture is easily subverted by bringing a person under the ‘care’ of police and mental health workers. In my instance this was done by ‘spiking’ me with benzos and planting some cannabis and a knife for police to find. At this point the ‘target’ is now subject to lawful sanction and you can torture away and noone will do anything to stop them. And with no avenue of appeal?? Vital that the public is not made aware of this information, because they simply dont understand the difficulties faced by those in power. There is a need for torture and well ‘unintentional negative outcomes’ should their corruption be exposed.
    So where are these human rights lawyers? Coz I’ve got more than a story to tell. I’ve got what one lawyer called “proof”. Not that it has done anything more than have my Government turn a blind eye whilst criminals in our hospital attempted to murder me (in an Emergency Dept of all places. Glad old Prof doesn’t have the stomach for it). See the case of Dr Alyd Lancee re police not prosecuting doctors who kill. In fact they will dig up the wrong body to avoid prosecuting.
    Anywho, if you know anyone, have them contact me please. Amnesty Int. Would be a possibility if I was in a 3rd World country, but alas they too seem to have a splinter in their eyes when it comes to the First World.
    Regards
    Boans

  • Just on this point of Police not having a copy of the Criminal Code. Obviously with a Doctor or Mental Health Nurse using slander to police and have citizens detained until they can fabricate the evidence to continue holding them Police need to provide them with a bit of time. It takes at least an hour to have them transported and injected with enough tranquillizers to lay an elephant out for a week. So police pretend that they don’t have the Criminal Code and make a phone call to Mental Health to pick up their victims. I’m sure others can see how this might be exploited by a clever organised criminal who just happens to be a doctor. Anyway …..
    Point being I have provided absolute proof to police that this Community Nurse called them and lied about my status in order to make his kidnapping appear lawful. Even given them the internal police job number. Provided the documents showing I was ‘spiked’ with benzos without my knowledge too. Apparently thats a “hallucination”, and it is also a crime for me to have my medical records showing this (though nobody including one of our lawyer politicians can tell me what the charge would be. No Criminal Code see) Of course only if they actually retrieved the documents for the crims otherwise its an offence. But, alas they insist on failing to perform their duty as public officers, compound or conceal evidence of criminal offences and attempt to pervert the course of justice. Luckily they can’t find the Criminal Code because they might be in a lot of trouble otherwise. Mind you how embarrassing that they did a kidnapping for him. No wonder he laughed about me saying I would have something done about his criminal conduct. Jeffrey Dahmer had that sort of bottle, asking police to return one of his victims to him when he escaped.
    I’m assuming that in a democracy like America that such disgusting actions would be acted upon by good people (I mean thats what makes them good people acting when they see wrong isnt it?) But not in my country yet, they simply misdirect your complaint and obstruct justiice. As long as it isnt their families being subjected to human rights abuses of course. Whats the point of being above the law otherwise huh?

  • I like the sound of rare Sylvain. In Australia prosecutions/convictions are non existent.

    For example we have a section of the Criminal Code (s.336) called procuring the apprehension or detention of a person not suffering from a mental illness. Penalty 2 years prison. However, our police do not have a copy of the Criminal Code an therefore prosecution is not possible. So Mental Health professionals simply ring police and tell them to go and pick up citizens by calling them “patients”. Police go round and give them a kicking before delivering the citizen to the desired hospital where the evidence is fabricated to make them into a patient post hoc. Once their human rights have been legally removed they can now be treated for illnesses they dont have with drugs they dont want.
    And of course any complaint to police is foiled by your newly appointed Care Giver. Its allowing corruption to run rampant through our system.
    And the legal protection of not procuring the police in such a manner? Never been used. its simply there to create the appearance of protection for the public.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2A262DPeR34

    One of our politicians who obviously knew this is being done had to flee the State before he was picked up by police and subjected to “treatment” by a psychiatrist not of his choice. Lucky he had the money to seek refuge elsewhere or he would be in a cell dribbling from the mouth by now lol

  • The Guidelines for Informed Consent sound quite good until you get to the ‘flush” clause, ie any dispute over issues and Doctor is always the winner.
    So there I am with a lawyer whose area of expertise is in Mental Health Law. I explain to him that the Community Nurse has arranged to have me ‘spiked’ with benzos and once he had procured the services of police, to have a weapon (in the form of a pocket knife) and some cannabis planted on my person. Thus he can now claim he was given his referral by the police to his colleagues at the hospital after he has ‘verballed’ me up on the Statutory Declarations. And the lawyer tells me he doesn’t see what the issue is.
    Still I guess when your methods of obtaining consent are the same as the local football team pack rapist it must be difficult to get people to talk to you willingly. So a little spiking of the person who is going to be my patient before I meet them isnt such a bad thing is it? Well, it was for Prof John Kearsley.
    Consent in Australia for Mental Health professionals is just a hurdle to be gotten around by any means necessary. This includes the drugging of citizens without their knowledge and the use of physical violence to have them talk. Any complaints and the Operations Manager tells me they will fuking destroy you, and believe me, they will. I haven’t seen my family in 8 years as a result of complaining about being ‘spiked’ and interrogated by this Community Nurse. And do you think anyone will do anything to help me? Theyre all too afraid of our Government, and the blind eye they are turning to the unintended negative outcomes being done in our Emergency Departments. Might be why they want this Convenience Killing Bill passed quickly. Voluntary Euthanasia? Yeah right, have a look at what our Government means by “voluntary”.

  • They call it “coercion” here in Australia oldhead. An important distinction because if you put an empty pistol to someones head and pretend you are going to shoot them then you are coercing them. And if they tell you what you want to hear then no problem. However, beat them with the same pistol and you are now using torture methods to obtain consent. This being the problem in my instance, the drugging without knowledge is an actual assault, threatening my family is just coercion. Hence they need to coerce me to shut my mouth about being tortured by coercing me and my family. Not a nice look for our Government (if you could call it that).

    When I told my psychiatrist I was suffering from suicidal ideation he told me I would have to pay in advance lol.

    Interesting that you mention 1984 and Animal Farm Vitas. My Government (if you could call it that) has decided to change the Exodus 16 Thou shalt not kill, to Thou shalt not kill unless Doctor is late for his Tee Time at the local golf course. The perversion of the doctrine being effected quickly before the public gets time to examine the Bill.
    “Over a hundred legal protections” we are told. And yet I simply can not find a lawyer who knows what a burden of proof is. Still, how easy when you can “coerce” legal practitioners into throwing their clients under the bus to do a cover up for Doc?

    Have a listen to Lou Reeds’ Kill your Sons. The ‘treatment’ for being gay used to be a whole lot worse in the old days.

  • Chasing our ideological tails? Cogito ergo sum. Isnt this to put Descartes before the horse?
    Come on Dr McLaren, no need for theories, hypotheses, treatments, cures or any of that stuff when the three pillars of psychiatry (negligence, fraud and slander) will keep the plebians in their place for centuries to come. And the rather underdeveloped nature of ethics in our young country sees us in a land of opportunity. Got a signed letter here from the Minister for Health stating that torture and kidnapping are now called referral and detention. Must look pretty stupid to the people who have looked at the documents i have and know what im saying is true. Still, you know the routine, cover up and unintentionally negatively outcome the victim, and threaten their family. The show must go on.

  • Wish I could get a lawyer to sue my lawyer. Truth is that when I approached the Law Centre they took me in with open arms (pro bono) found out what evidence I had of the claim of being tortured and kidnapped, and then worked with the hospital Operations Manager to identify what evidence needed to be retrieved/concealed, and which members of my family to threaten.
    Good news is that the fraudulent documents sent by the hospital to the Law Centre have been exposed, and the conspiring to pervert the course of justice has been duly noted. Trouble is no one will do anything about it because it opens the can of worms about all the other victims of these criminals posing as lawyers.
    Might sound like i’m a little crazy and thats what these human rights abusing criminals use as a defense all the time. But due diligence on the part of a real lawyer would expose these human rights abuses and that just will not do. So they all sit on their hands and neglect their duty and go about their business pretending nothing to see here.
    Someone did of course look and wellllll……. don’t like the narrative and you know if good people cant do a little torturing and kidnapping whats a democracy coming to?
    They simply refuse to engage over the matters and with the ability to threaten family and friends with guns and forced drugging they win I guess. Who said terrorism isn’t effective? The government here is using these methods to enable their human rights abuses. Shame really, it used to be a nice place.
    So I have sent a letter to the principle of the Law Centre asking why their lawyers dont understand the protections afforded under the Mental Health Act, and well I would like the name of the author of the ‘poison pen’ letter purporting to be from the Chief Psychiatrist. He didn’t write that letter at all, that was done by some fraud in the Law Centre. Just a name will do me. Many thanks
    Dont get me wrong, I understand how police /authorities here are using their positions and exercising their discretionary powers to enable these serious criminal offences. Sgt tells me they dont have a copy of the Criminal Code in a large police station which means what he thinks are crimes then they will do something about it. Nothing like poking a snake and then shooting it when it strikes. Protected species hahahah. Problem here is that the Convention against the use of torture states quite clearly that there is “no superior authority” and thus they do not have discretionary powers to exercise. Which by default exposes all the other criminality they have been enabling on the part of these organised crims operating in our hospitals. So who is the person or persons obstructing justice, and will they ever be held to account? I believe so but …… guess when your delusional that you actually ARE God theres an issue.

  • After pondering this situation a little I wonder if you would have considered what might have occurred if you could prove that you had been drink spiked. The “delusional disorder” would be nullified and the truth would win out? I noticed that a young doctor who had been spiked by one Prof John Kearsley here was wise enough to have a blood sample tested the next day out of her own pocket. This was wise because in my instance despite knowing that I had been drugged without my knowledge, no incident report was completed, and no toxicology. This negligence to ensure that I could take no criminal action against the person doing the spiking for the hospital staff, and ergo planting a weapon for police to find once I had collapsed from the drugging. So even if you could prove that you were given stupefying/intoxicating drugs without your knowledge Mr Sutherland, the people who had a duty to assist you would likely have neglected that duty and written down the effects of the drugging as symptoms of an illness that required further drugging, by force if necessary.
    I find it interesting that people hear about a young woman who is spiked and then threatened with weapons to obtain consent to sex with a football team are outraged, and yet when it is done to obtain consent to ‘treatment’ they turn their backs. Or do they also turn their backs on the young woman? Because my refusal to speak with a Community Nurse justified me being drugged and having weapons pointed at me to have me talk, and thus allow me to be “verballed”. And all that to find out their was nothing wrong with me in the first place.
    Trick cycling I have heard it called. Once the machine is set in motion it does what it does, no matter what. Despite my ability to prove I was tortured and kidnapped, those involved have no fear of any consequences, they are being supported in their criminality for fear of the whole corrupt network breaking down with a squealer. Its how priests have gotten away with raping hundreds of children here in Australia over a 40 year period, and the faux outrage by those who enabled that conduct is now emerging. Still, there but for the grace of God go I. Ive no idea if I would destroy the lives of others given the power to do so, Ive never been tested in that manner. I dont spend my days looking for ways to fuk people over by planting stuff on them and spiking their drinks with drugs. I do know that I remain angry about having no support from my community because of the negligence, fraud and slanderous conduct of these mental health professionals. And I garnish hope from seeing the victims of these child raping priests finally see the perpetrators being sent to prison. Hopefully closely followed by their enablers, and with much less fanfare, because they deserve to disappear without even being noticed. To Hell with them.
    Anyway, just my thoughts on the matter.

  • All valuable information Mr Rousselot, but it wouldnt have helped me when I was being pinned down by 15 thugs to be injected with enough traquillizer to lay an elephant out for a month. And why? Because a doctor thought I had “potential for violence, but no clear intent or history”. Surely a good doctor would recognise his own paranoid delusions? Because without history or intent he has nothing.
    But I take your points as being for that ideal world that looks nothing like the inside of these Guantanamo Bay franchises.

    Ps, Maryanne Gobbo re my comment below about defense lawyers acting as paid informants for police. High Court has now made this conduct lawful, and therefore our police can state with all honesty that “It will never happen again”. How misleading.

  • Im fascinated by the use of spiking and planting of weapons on persons to dismantle the lives of enemies. I have been subjected to something of this sort myself Mr Sutherland. Sounds like you were spiked with Rhohypnol, mine was Benzodiazepines. Funny but despite having the hospital documents showing that I was a victim of organised criminals operating in our hospitals, police still wish to exercise their discretionary powers and allow me to be unintentionally negatively outcomed in an ED.
    The people who claimed they would assist me from the Mental Health Law Centre merely identified what evidence the government would need to retrieve and then threw me under a bus once they were provided with fraudulent documents. Despite their claim that there were “things they couldn’t tell me” (ie that they were going to commit serious criminal offenses against me as well), their conspiring to pervert the course of justice has certainly been identified by some of their colleagues. Not that they will do anything other than corrupt them further but ….. I can live with that.
    What concerns me is the others who have not been as fortunate to notice that their so called legal representatives are not acting in their clients interests, but in the interests of what powerful and influential people can do for them. They would have known what they were doing was criminal, but also know police would exercise their “discretionary powers” and take no action on their criminality. Despite these matters being covered under the Convention against the use of Torture. Something which they do not have powers to exercise, ie no emergency provisions, no superior authority. Fortunately they can exercise their discretionary over killings by doctors, though this would also constitute a refoulment of their victim. Not that that they care to be honest.
    I have documented much of what I’m claiming in the forums Mr Sutherland. It may interest you to read it if you have the time, and before the forums are deleted.
    Might I also note that I have a letter here from our Chief Psychiatrist and Minister for Mental Health confirming that drugging “patients” with intoxicating stupefying drugs without their knowledge by concerned citizens with no prescribing righrs or medical training is “accepted practice” in Western Australia, though we do call it human rights abuses when its done in Ghana. So some legal subtelties between our Nation’s. So your landlord would be well within his rights to spike you and have you ‘treated’ in Australia. A little bit of fraud and we can make you into a “patient” very easily here. A nurse just has to say to police “patient” and despite it being a known lie, it becomes the truth. And once your a patient? Well, you have described that path so well above.
    Note also that police have been using defense lawyers as paid Informants here in Australia, and can also use coercive methods to extract information from them. It may be that your lawyer knew you couldnt win because he was working with the people he wanted to win. Consider carefully.
    Take care and kind regards
    Boans

  • I did put this issue of legal burden of proof to one of our M.P.s who is a lawyer, she referred it on to the Minister for Health/Mental Health. Heres the kicker, same guy who put the assisted dying Bill to the House. He responded by stating that he was sorry that I was still upset about my referral and detention. Of course thats only the case if you examine the fraudulent and slanderous documents distributed by the hospital concerned. So I wrote back and said he can call kidnapping and torture whatever he wants but the issue of hospitals distributing fraudulent documents to conceal their criminality seems a bit much, especially if they are going to be killing people there. Mind you, does it matter because they are not going to keep any data about how many are being shoved through anyway.
    Shame there arent any journalists who would inform our public about this negligent individual who fails in his duty to examine documents in an objective manner. Who would do a cover up for organised criminals operating under his nose, and who uses dog whistle slander to silence victims of his criminal associates. Minister? The man is a disgrace to the office he holds.
    Gee I hope this hasnt got anything to do with his sister the psychologist being involved. Not that a conflict of interest would stop the doing cover ups in the current environment.

  • So the person charged with the duty to protect the public, doesn’t know what the protections are? Provides “expert legal advice” to the Minister and yet doesn’t understand what a burden of proof is? Lucky they can conspire with lawyers or someone might notice and think the enabling of arbitrary detentions and the use of torture were human rights abuses. Still, they can be coerced into compliance. The law allows that right?
    An interesting aside to the “Assisted Dying Legislation”. It has often been claimed by human rights lawyers that the execution of prisoners may constitute “cruel and unusual punishment”. So if this legislation goes through will the same drugs be used on those who have expressed a wish to extinguish their life? Never mind those who have been rendered non compus mentus via forced drugging by psychiatrists. If it’ s not cruel and inhumane for prisoners and lets check some of the cases, then surely is this what you would want for your loved ones?
    One argument being put forward is that 80% of the public wants this. More want the death penalty but where not in any hurry to enact that. Sure many folk here are aware of the debate and paradox in end of life legislation. Shame I cant obtain legal representation as a result of the corrupt and criminal element operating in our hospital system and government.

    Good news is give us a year and tourists won’t have to walk past all these homeless people taking up space, they have volunteered for some unintended negative outcomes lol

  • I just finished reading a book called The Management of Savagery; how America’s National Security State fuelled the rise of Al Qaeda, ISIS and Donald Trump. Strange bedfellows one might think. However …. a point made in the book is that the publication of savagery was a deliberate tactic to gain attention for extremists.
    So the other day we have a guy go nuts and start stabbing people, shouting “Allahu Akbar” but he’s not affilliated with any terrorist organisations. He did however drop a bottle of anti depressants onto the street when they took him down. So is he a treated mentally ill person, or an untreated one? Does it matter?
    To me this smells a lot like the use of Snowball in Orwells Animal Farm. Anything bad happens the evidence is planted and it always leads back to him. This is then used to pervert the doctrine of “No animal shall kill another animal” to “No animal should kill another animal without cause”.
    Good news folk, our parliament is discussing what they have labelled “Assisted dying legislation” at present. The term euthanasia we are told is not to be used as it has negative associations with National Socialists. There are 100 plus protections we are also told. However if the protections afforded the public under the Mental Health Act are anything to go by our Emergency Departments will be being used for purposes other than what they were designed for.
    In a letter from the Cheif Psychiatrist the burden of proof legal protection went from “suspect on reasonable grounds” to “suspect on grounds we believe to be reasonable” 🙂 Goodbye protection of s26. Well done Napoleon.

  • Nice article and to quote the guy in the movie Network “I’m as mad as Hell and I’m not going to take it anymore” (note white guy or he wouldnt be allowed to express this outburst of emotion). However…..

    You touch on an issue I find interesting Megan, the link between anger and violence. Not just those overt acts of violence portrayed in the media and ‘spun’ for political and economic purposes, but the ‘silent violence’ done by those who repress the outward display of their anger. An example.

    A therapist who dislikes their clients anti psychiatry views but keeps their anger about this under wraps. By exploiting the trust of their client and having them ‘confess’ their sins, they can now systematically destroy their clients life, and have them pay for the destruction of their marriage, career, and quite possible have large amounts of drugs administered against their will possibly leading to suicide. This type of violence disguised as therapy is not, I believe, uncommon particularly in a system regularly described as being “in crisis”. Its the fact that it IS in crisis that enables this type of conduct to occur. Of course those who engage in such conduct can quite often be of the delusional belief that they are not being watched 🙂 and often times find themselves in some compromised positions.

    How do you feel about this type of ‘silent violence’ that occurs as a result of repressed anger?

    Thanks for getting me thinking about these issues.
    Regards
    Boans

  • Keep in mind Bradford that journalism has become dangerous in Australia now. Publish anything the government doesnt like and your up for raids by our Federal Police. Trying to get the balance right they say, as if propaganda is ever balanced.
    The culture of cover ups has spread very rapidly, and virtually any indiscretions can be concealed with ‘National Security’ legislation. Ive been amazed at how quickly people turn on their heels and run with just a little coercion.
    So its not just Garth disappearing into the ether but a lot of stories that journalists would be afraid to publish lest their families be threatened.

  • I’m off again tomorrow folk. Hope to be back a little sooner next time.

    This science, and normal abnormal stuff (all done with statistics) looks to me like the Cult of the Curve. Outliers must be brought back to the norm. Not in His plan and you know what they say, Man plans, God laughs.

    Y’all take care now.

  • Funnily enough, I called it dribble therapy after meeting a Finn in the locked ward. People were struggling to understand him due to the “chemical restraint” that had been administered. Speaking in tongues being the symptom.
    His flight response had been cut off by police with handcuffs, and when they told him they were going to have him pack raped at the station, he went balistic. Off to the psych unit and he was dribbling for 8 weeks. Released on a CTO and a belief he had a mental illness lol. He got drunk and stoned and smashed his stuff up with reason ffs.
    Should have seen his face light up when I said to the two nurses bringing his drugs “Ahhhh Satana and Perkele are here” lol

  • I once had someone tell me that in mathematics X usually equals zero, and a spert is a drip put under pressure.

    Our Chief psychiatrist provides “expert legal advice to the Minister”, but sent me a letter stating he didn’t understand the “reasonable person standard”. Authorities, not experts. Power with no understanding of the science.

  • Hi fred

    You mention “chemical restraints” being lawful in Australia, which is totally accurate. I would add from a report by our Chief psychiatrist that there is “no National Standard as to what constitutes a chemical restraint”. Think about that for a little. Saying no means you have opened the gate for a chemical restraint with no holds barred. Dribble therapy I once called it. Franchises of Chelmsford setting up all over the country.

  • Did their best to Steve. The ‘architect’ of the Mental Health Bill presented to Parliament was an epidemiologist. Think he might have noticed the problems with FASD (Fetal alchohol spectrum disorder). This is going to cost us some money, especially in places like Fitzroy Crossing. Sterilizing a whole bunch of indigenous children is going to raise some concerns given our history with the Stolen Generation. But, the new nearby psych ward and the laws to back them …….
    Thankfully the Scientologists and some people outside the country made a few complaints and they dropped it. Though I read that there are still methods being used to ‘coerce’ consent.

    https://youtu.be/QPYRpFxl4oE

    They say the place glistens when you fly in from all the broken alcohol bottles around the town.

  • Western Australian law.
    Draconian alright, couldn’t protest it though, couldn’t get a permit, and without one you got a belt from a baton the the head from someone on a horse.

    They’ve basically used the same method with MH laws in the States now. They know they are human rights violations but …… see how far you get with a complaint. About as far as your local locked ward lol

    And should they get the forced sterilization through? 11 years before a High Court decision? …… sorry, already done.

  • We have a history in this country of enacting unconstitutional law to achieve outcomes, and then overturning the laws.
    People in my State were exercising their right to congregate and protest at one stage. Enter S.54b of the Criminal Code. This made it unlawful to gather in groups of more that 3 in a public place without authorisation from the State. Police then smashed the Unions protests. Fair days work for a fair days pay my ar#e. 11 years later with the job done, the High court ruled the law unconstitutional, and we could go back to having coffee with friends without a permit from the State lol

  • Any further information on this Lametamor. A link perhaps to the proposal?

    When the UN criticised Australias MH Laws as being a violation of human rights and that the treatments may constitute torture, our politicians introduced new laws that are worse. By doing so they have invalidated the statement, and are violating human rights at increasing levels.
    But they did act on the statement, and are now going to ensure that there is no avenue to appeal any decision in the future.
    If you provide information to the UN about human rights abuses and in the process damage Australias reputation, you can be held without charge for years. Pending charges on espionage. Bill has gone to the Senate for debate.
    No need to do the right thing, just make it look like it.
    Hopefully our ‘model’ will not be mirrored around the world the way our aparthied was in South Africa.

  • I’m reminded of the narrator in Babakiuaria who, when the children of the white family are being removed for their protection states that she had an Aunt who went on holidays overseas for 4 weeks, so “I know how they feel”.
    And the family? Oh yes, it’s for the best.
    Best to exit some relationships gently.

  • Would a psychiatric evaluation have changed the outcome?
    No denying that such a breach of trust is vile. I recently saw a documentary called Chika about Chika Honda a Japanese tourist who came to Australia, had her bags packed for her, and did 10 years before being sent home. A competent translator might have assisted her, ie being able to provide a defense to the courts but ….
    I hope they caught the people who planted the drugs on Akmal. Perhaps they can do their own deliveries next time.

  • Yup, with you oldhead. After seeing your comment I went and read the article and comments. I think one by Mr Whitaker states that his mother had a letter for all at MiA and to contact via Facebook or some such. There was another by a guy from ISPS or something who spoke about said article, maybe contact him directly and ask what it was?

    I’ll look again.

    Dunno that its not a Bowling for Colombine thing though. Why was it Marilyn Manson and not the bowling if ya see what I mean.

    Gary Sidley comment. Spoke to him about the article a couple of weeks before.
    And Chuck Ruby ISEPP.

  • Dr Strangelove
    Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy ….. the FEAR to attack.

    Oh and gentlemen you can’t fight in here, this is the War Room lol

    Woops sorry, this was meant for my Friends of Psychologists of Guantanamo Bay group. Oh well, might make sense anyway

  • Woah, and here’s me thinking I was talking to myself again.

    I really liked James. Man with a good heart. We are poles apart but I always got a sense from his writing that he was doing his best to be kind.

    The changes I’ve noticed after being away are difficult to describe. My general feeling though is that there’s been a shift for the worse. Feel like I’m looking for something that I know used to be here and can’t find it. Depends where your standing though I guess. Quality comments from professionals or quantity that includes mugs like me lol.

  • Nothing in the letter that was left for us oldhead? Have you asked those who know?

    Personally I don’t think there is an answer, so from my perspective if I knew I’d hand it on but ….

  • I get the feeling that the revolution will not be televised, it will not go better with Coke,
    Spike Milligan once siad he wanted the words “See, I told you I was ill” put on his headstone. I think that when psychiatry comes to an end with the destruction of the planet, their headstone might read “See, we told them they were ill”.

    Maybe we need to see this war in much longer terms, generations perhaps. MIA being a reference for those who are yet to come.

    I really like Richards comments about recognising the divisive nature of internal ‘politics’. The need to defend oneself from an external threat tends to out these matters on the backburner. Still, how many times have great leaders thought they had it all under control only to speak the words “I didn’t see that coming”?

  • Brief therapy?

    We have something similar in Australia. After a three minute disagreement with a doctor over seating arrangements I was diagnosed with three serious mental illnesses. Never seen the guy before, and when he spoke to me like his pet dog I was not impressed with his bedside manner. Brief diagnosis lol His diagnostic notes consist of “Lives with his wife. Has a degree from X University”. Still, Ordained Minister, Order of Australia recipient, Senior Medical Officer, if he can’t stick a needle full of Olanzapine (or was it Qetiapine) into someone for a friend who can? Did I really look like an elephant that need to sleep for a week Doc?

    Not that I actually had these three serious mental illnesses, or maybe I did and they were cured in the hour between the diagnosis and seeing another doctor. All so scientific and difficult for me to understand.

  • You might not like it, can’t say I’m a fan myself, but ….. that’s the law.

    I figured this out when I started wondering why police and the hospital wanted the documents I had back. Me not being a ‘patient’ means human rights violations, fraudulent documents to lawyers means do what ya want to him. Torture becomes treatment. Which doesn’t say a lot for their treatments when taking the wrapper of the law off.

    Still, second line of defense, threaten witnesses and lawyers. Works a treat when they become fearful or the safety of their families. Good guys always win in the end eh?

    Take away a persons human rights and the mask comes off the good guys pretty darn quick. Get to see them for what they really are.

  • Tried to post this comment on the article but I need to sign up for 57 different accoints and do a rubics cube in less than ten seconds. I gave up, but if someone can post it there for me I’d love to hear a response from someone who works in an Office of the Chief Psychiatrist. They should know this stuff.
    Comment
    Just a note on human rights violations in the area of mental health. How to remove a persons human rights 101, call them a “patient”. Now for example what would be a human rights violation such as torture under the UN Convention against Torture becomes “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction”. So if your not a patient it is torture and a human rights violation, and if your a patient its not.
    Same goes for deprivation of liberty, lawfully sanctioned. Right to consent, anosognosia trumps that one.
    I could go on but basically your human rights are removed the moment you enter a relationship with a doctor. You just dont know it yet

    My point being that the question is posed, why does so much of mental health care violate a persons human rights? It doesn’t, the law is designed to ensure that human rights are removed to enable the ‘treatment’, thus …. no such violation occurs.

  • Should military personnel be screened for “psychosis risk disorder” and put on anti psychotics before ending up with Fuked over by Warfare Disorder. Couple of good docos about Afghanistan, Restrepo and one done by the Danes (forget the name). Give a fair idea of how to survive the experience and rotate back to the real world.

  • Something along the lines of ‘Doctors report this highly effective and beneficial treatment is being denied to those suffering. Not a lot from the actual ‘consumers’ who seem to have trouble remembering their own names.
    And hey, who could deny that a 12 year old understands the consequences of consenting to such treatment. Not like there is an imbalance of power here when the doctor is telling them something.
    It will be interesting to see the data in another 10 years as to the level of increases in this. 1000% is my guess.
    Oh wait, they did publish an article on the front page. A nurse in uniform who had undergone ‘treatment’ and explained how wonderful her life was now. The timing of this article was surely a coincidence though.

  • Good point oldhead.

    Don’t ya just love the way they twist these things around? “Your products are sh&t” becomes, “consumers state that our products serve a number of useful functions” just don’t mention it is as manure lol.

    One of the best I heard was from our pollies. They introduced the new MHA with the party line of “there are added protections.” Note they stopped there and failed to mention that those protections were for doctors against being prosecuted for abuses. But the community felt so much safer.
    With a 200% increase in ECTs over the past 9 years there were worries about the use of this on teenagers. They were reluctant to do it given the possibility of prosecution. There was the “added protections”. The gates were opened with immunity.