Steven, I’m not sure what the average stay was- probably between 1 and 2 months. I served at a similar med free sanctuary called IWard that was open in the east bay when Diabasis was open in San Francisco. I wrote an article about IWard here on madinamerica that you might be interested in titled- “Remembering a medication-free madness sanctuary.”
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Steven! I think the only way you can get the article by Perry now is via eBay where the Magical Blend issue from 1991-1992 is for sale.
Best wishes,
Michael
Sam, many college or university libraries have JHP journals- or becoming a member of the Association for Humanistic Psychology comes with a subscription to the JHP.
Hi Sam, I’m very sorry I haven’t been available to read or help you with your very important book that shares so much about you and your wife’s healing journey. I’m working so much on a book myself, that I don’t see me being available for many months this year. You might try contacting editorial folks here at MIA, especially those who work on the MIA family initiative. Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Birdsong! Yes, receiving merciful love is a deep human need, that when met can help us not enter into extreme emotional suffering- and it can also help relieve our intense emotional suffering if it happens.
Best wishes, Michael
Steve I believe there is a deep and abiding need in our male dominator, top down, social Darwinism culture to have a cadre of people tasked with the control of deviance from the entrenched, reactionary societal values and norms, about the open expression of emotion. The 25,000 psychiatrists gladly and lucratively have claimed that role. Psychiatry couldn’t exist as a grossly failed medical specialty that actually kills it’s patients if it wasn’t serving a very basic but inhumane, warped need of society. When Jay got disruptive at college they locked him up and shut him up.
When 5 year old Mary throws tantrums she is medicated and shut up.
Of course Pharma and the guild interests of psychiatry, and corrupt research of academia all collude with this oppression out of self interest. Our class system and economic system require punctual, quiet workers to punch in and be good employees.
So, those who go to far with their anger or sadness or fear get sent to HR or get fired or get meds to stay on the job. It’s dystopian and it’s only getting more chaotic everyday, because as the prophetic Yeats said- “The center will not hold.”
To that, Psychiatry smiles it’s friendly fascist smile and says- “No, we got this- just increase the daily dose until compliance and silence are restored.”
Steve I’ve never believed psychiatry is a legitimate medical specialty because it’s false underlying disease model theoretical paradigm is based on a scientifically unproven big lie, as I described here on MIA in my article- “Eyewitness to psychiatry functioning as a conspiracy theory based cult.” My article is based on my 28 years working as a PhD level licensed psychotherapist alongside psychiatrists everyday in the public mental health sector.
But to your question above, with me not equating victims of psychiatry whose concocted diagnoses like schizophrenia and bipolar are not because of a truly physical illness like cancer- just imagine if the patients treated by the medical specialty of oncology had a 25 year earlier death rate than cancer patients who never had seen a cancer specialist and received chemo, radiation, surgery etc.?
The headline would read- “If you get treated for cancer, you’ll die 25 years earlier than other folks with cancer who got no treatment.”
In the year before he died, as his body was increasingly racked with multiple physical medical conditions that he believed had been caused by his nonstop injurious shock treatments and forced injections of massive doses of haldol for many months in the psychiatric hospital, Jay Mahler told me- “Michael, I really didn’t want to die prematurely, to be a statistic fatality of what psychiatry did to me.”
Steve, last year I wrote a memorial article here about my good friend Jay Mahler who was a psychiatric survivor and human rights activist. He had survived shock treatments that were so harmful that he couldn’t remember his own name for a long time. Psychiatry is a failed medical specialty that injures those it claims to help- it’s “treatments” cause victims to die decades before the national average as you know. Jay told me that he believed the injuries he received from psychiatry contributed to his early death.
David Healy is a world renowned advocate for and practitioner of brain damaging shock treatment. He claims that- “ECT is the most effective treatment for severe depressive disorder.”
Sam Ruck, thank you for writing. Yes, I do agree with Bateson’s supportive words for Diabasis.
I’ll be on sabbatical until approximately the beginning of July. Please contact me then via my michaelcornwall.com site if you want to share about helping your wife so importantly.
Best wishes, Michael
BigPictureAwareness, thanks again for writing. I agree that all extreme states are purposive and necessary when they emerge unbidden in our lives.. Diabasis showed how holding that belief, negated our cultural blindness that sees such natural human, potentially transformative experiences as pathological.
Best wishes, Michael
Ritalin and Adderall are classified as schedule 2 dangerous drugs with high risk of addiction. Cocaine, Meth, OxyContin and Fentanyl are also class 2 schedule drugs.
Any way you cut, philosophy it, relativize it, deny it, ignore it, define it or justify it, it is child abuse. And let’s get real- the pills are purchased and dispensed by parents. But they, the pharmacist, the drug store, the prescriber, the wholesaler, the manufacturer and every politician that voted for laws protecting all of the above are complicit- as are the citizens of our society that voted for those politicians who make the laws that allow and make possible the child abuse. The horror show fact is that our society wants everyone, toddlers included to stop expressing anger, fear, sadness or any emotion beyond a proscribed intensity. Because if the emotions you or the toddler feels are expressed in ways that make people too uncomfortable, a DSM diagnosis and some emotion numbing and silencing drugs are going to be required.
Thank you Bob for this totally damning article. For over 40 years I’ve practiced as a licensed therapist serving children and families. I’ve never diagnosed a child, teen or adult with ADHD, or referred them for meds. 28 of those years I worked full time in a large public sector mental health system. The question your article begs is- if ADHD isn’t what psychiatry says it is, then what is it? Bob, you know that is the same question I’ve been posing about extreme states for decades. In every instance children( including pre-schoolers) that have seen me who were subjectively experiencing and expressing emotional distress that could have been labeled ADHD and drugged, were clearly causalities of what John Read has proven are adverse childhood experiences.
Since for pre-schoolers that means those adverse experiences occurred almost exclusively in the family home, then the answer to what gets labeled ADHD is a psycho-social impact that extends out to the toxic social matrix that houses all our families and crushes many families into super stressful, traumatic environments for young children.
Both academic and practicing psychiatrists have failed both the scientific rigor and moral test of discovering what is in full view.
Children, teens, adults and seniors all are causualties of our loveless and morally bankrupt society. Because Bob, as old NIMH chief Thomas Insel proclaimed a few years ago that got him excoriated by his fellow psychiatrists- when ANYONE comes in for treatment there will be no medical diagnostic tests done to verify the label given to them- no blood test, no X-ray, no brain scan, no genetic test- no just a pathetic somber search through the pages of the bogus DSM for a label- And this “best practice” done even to toddlers by a failed medical specialty where patients die 25 years earlier that the average.
Paula was a true force of nature- and her life force was aimed at relieving human suffering in all it’s forms. Her indelible imprint on our lives and her generation will last far into the future lives of coming generations, because the universal message she brought of justice and compassion was so clear and powerful.
I gratefully got to know her through inviting her to write an article for the Journal of Humanistic Psychology on extreme states.
Her article- “Another damaging use of the “Schizophrenia” label…and what seemed about to help” was published in December. Paula shared about being with a young person who was labeled, and how she brought her caring and listening to their time together. During many phone conversations I felt her strong presence and unwavering commitment to both fight the dehumanizing power of psychiatry while at the same time be a source of healing to the victims of psychiatric injury.
My deep condolences to her family, loved ones and friends.
Michael
Thank you dear Dina, for sharing the wonderful interview that you and Will recently did with Jay. I hope many people listen and are inspired by Jay as you and I have so gratefully been.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you very much Maddie, for your great comment and sharing your very important research. Those 2 quotes by Jay about him not being co-opted and the value of working to change the system from the inside out for the sake of those countless people still trapped and dying in it, are very relevant and true I believe. Jay and many of us activists who stayed inside the belly of the beast for decades, fighting for the rights of those suffering from within, also were just as active at leveraging all of the levels of exterior political power to both stop psychiatric abuse and to build humanistic alternatives based on compassion, and the value of inclusion of survivors and others with lived experience.
BigPictureAwareness, yes I remember the wonderful Aussie from Esalen! Interesting synchronicity today. Thanks for the links to Wouter Kusters and the earth rotation. Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Someone Else. It still breaks my heart too. I know Jay’s loved ones and family would appreciate your heartfelt words about him and your condolences.
Hi Bob, in my MIA article- “Remembering a medication-free madness sanctuary” I share about I ward, the 20 med medication free first episode extreme states/psychosis program that served hundreds of people for 8 years! I worked there as therapist for several years. It replicated the same hugely successful results of the NIMH Agnews Project, the gold standard randomly assigned, double blind first episode research, where at 3 year follow up the large cohort of people who got placebo vs those who got Thorazine had a 70 percent lower re-hospitalization rate. Iward was opened as a public sector system diversion program based on the powerful Agnews med-free efficacy results. At the same time, Diabasis House, Jungian John Weir Perry’s San Francisco based program was opened too, based on the Agnew’s results. I did my doctoral follow-up research on Diabasis. Soteria house was also open here in the SF Bay Area then. Loren Mosher’s work there also proved that a non-medication, non pathologizing approach to extreme states works!
So, as you know I’ve long shared your frustration that mainstream psychiatry has always rejected the facts before their very eyes, that non-medication, humanistic oriented alternative services for people in extreme states can and has been proven to be effective as the Harrow research also proves.
The big disease model lie that human emotional suffering is caused by a bio-genetic broken brain is what props up psychiatry- and as my latest MIA article shows, that lie is unshakable from within the psychiatric echo-chamber. My article is- “Eyewitness to Psychiatry functioning as a conspiracy theory based cult.”
Hi Craig, thank you for your comment! Yes, as I mentioned in my article above, Dr. John Weir Perry shared Jung’s very personal dream work story about Jung’s mother-in-law with me, that Jung had confidentiality shared with John in Zurich in the late 1940’s. Jung had known Perry since the early 1930’s and had written the forward to Perry’s classic 1950 book- “The Self in Psychotic Process.” I did my doctoral research follow-up study on John’s medication-free extreme state sanctuary- Diabasis House, and we were friends for about 20 years. I wonder if Emma’s mother was symbolized in Jung’s recurrent nightmares of a menacing dragon because he knew that she was enraged with Jung for openly having an affair with ex-patient Toni Wolfe while Jung was married to her daughter Emma!
Hi River, in my experience because everyone has such different needs as they attempt to be a caregiver for people in emotional suffering, I don’t really have advice, but I’ll share a bit of what I’ve needed and still need.
For me, feeling merciful love for myself without negating that crucial love with toxic guilt and shame for my human failings and limitations, is needed. I also need to risk pursuing deep connection with people who can really love me. I need to reach out to every source of sacred, benevolent, loving and healing energy that I can find to sustain me. I need to closely embrace the terrifying fact that my next breath may be my last. I need to be like a soldier whose paradoxically liberating minute by minute duty is to protect and love me and mine, while facing the fact that my next breath may be my last.
Thank you Peter, for sharing such a valuable message of heartfelt caring! Reading it brought feelings of reassurance and hope, that it’s possible to begin to relieve the suffering of trauma and alienation we all experience in varying intensity in life, through claiming our right to feel the healing presence of self-love and love for others. You have for decades fought against the incredible harm done by the failed institution of psychiatry and the human rights violations of inflicting ECT, psychosurgery, brain damaging drugs and pathologizing labels on countless people.
But during all those years of fighting the harm done by psychiatry, you also held out and practiced the alternative vision of caregivers offering empathic and compassionate support for people in emotional pain and suffering.
Thank you my friend for your tireless commitment to both protecting and loving countless people, as your vocation continues to shine in this article here and now.
Hi Bob,
What stands out very strongly for me in Zel’s story is him asking you- “how do you think I felt?”… about being diagnosed and drugged- and him saying- “no one ever asked or ever seemed interested in how I really felt” about being sexually abused and traumatized as a child and labeled as schizophrenic- and- “ no one ever asked how I felt about being fed drugs.”
As a therapist whose primary commitment is always to provide a safe relationship where all such feelings can be expressed and received with compassion, I’ve served many people with very similar histories as Zels for 40 years. It is so tragic that in the last days of his life he still was asking for someone to listen to and receive his feelings, his emotional pain- emotional pain that kept being multiplied by the injurious human rights abuses of psychiatry, but by his own report, emotional pain that never was sufficiently received with compassion.
I was blessed to know dear Julie through personal phone conversations and correspondence. She was such a truly caring person and champion of human rights. What a loss to us all.
Bob, I’m glad to be one of the presenters in the upcoming MIA system change webinar. Reading your blog post question about the possibility of remaking psychiatric care, I remembered a conference 7-8 years ago in North Carolina where you spoke after being on the road for months talking about the issues with leading psychiatrists that you raised in your book “Anatomy of an Epidemic.” As I recall, you said you were exhausted and discouraged- that you were possibly reaching the painful conclusion that even the most prominent psychiatrists from some of the most prestigious universities that you’d interacted with, were seemingly not capable of the basic intellectual and ethical honesty necessary to even consider the validity of any serious questioning or challenging of their entrenched belief system.
I must say, I remember I said to myself as you spoke – “I’m sorry Bob had to spend so much time and energy to discover that god-awful reality!”
I’m grateful to you and everyone here who struggles for compassionate caring for all who are suffering within and without of the psychiatric system.
I started my struggle with the psychiatric disease model in the 1970s and at some point realized the only way I could keep it up was to absolutely believe revolutionary change was possible as I’d experienced at Iward, knowing Mosher of Soteria and working with Perry of Diabasis while at the very same time accepting that things would very likely only get worse- but that each day I’d just fight to the best of my ability until they threw dirt in my face.
In solidarity, Michael
Thank you Fr. John, for your very informative comment. The FDA press release on the Monarch eTNS device cited in our article also states that the electrical current reaches the part of the brain “associated with ADHD.” I don’t believe there is such an area of the brain, but the FDA confirms that the electrical current is penetrating into the brain. I don’t believe in the validity of DSM diagnoses such as ADHD or in the psychiatric disease model of human emotional and spiritual suffering.
Dr. Breggin and I share your concern that harm to the developing brains of children won’t be proven until after the damage has been done. However the reported “side effects” to children in the very small, non replicated research study are headache, sleep disturbance, jaw clenching, and fatigue. These effects already point to potential harm being done to the frontal brains of children according to Dr. Breggin.
I’m reminded of RD Laing warning that-
“The so-called side effects of psychiatric drugs aren’t side effects. They are the damaging effects!”
The Monarch eTNS “side effects” should not be downplayed either.
Great point Jim! It’s an important question you raise about why so many caregivers defensively shield themselves from the emotional pain of those who have turned to them for solace and compassion.
The fact that such clinical emotional distancing is what caregivers are taught to do in grad school, is also very telling about how the whole profession is built on the rigid belief system that claims that the emotional pain and suffering of “patients” is qualitatively different than the emotional suffering that the clinicians experience in their very human lives. I’ve personally known dozens of mental health professionals during the last 40 years and their pain is the same!
Thank you for your very important comment Jo Ann Cook. I’ll be doing a webinar here on MIA on November 19th, about helping children, teens and parents in distress via counseling, that can empower them to avoid accepting psychiatric diagnoses and to also oppose medications being prescribed for children and teens, as they all resist the pressure you describe by school staff, child psychiatrists and other prescribers.
Hi 30-watt-lightbulb, thank you for your comment. Dr. Breggin recommended you check out the “Anti-depressant drug scientific resource section” on his Breggin.com website for access to articles on AD drugs and children.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you to everyone who commented above and contributed to this discussion.
I’m glad to see when doing a Google search for Monarch eTNS, that this MIA blog article is on the first, main Google search page. I hope people who are urged by prescribers to put one of these electrical devices on their children’s heads all night long, will see our blog article here on the psychiatric abuses of children, if they search Google for information on the new FDA approved Monarch eTNS device.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you Miranda, for this really valuable article! It shows how much the decades of the psychiatric, NAMI and drug company propaganda about the chemical imbalance lie, and that psych drugs are the cure, have influenced the full media spectrum, and all areas of our lives.
Even Rolling Stone is promoting psychiatric drugs!
I hope you can get your article to Copper, Cuomo and the editors of the other media outlets too.
Michael
Hi Rachel and Steve- yes it’s cronyism and rampant big business power over government. The FDA Chief Gottlieb had formerly been a partner at a leading venture capital firm, and the HHS Chief Azar, who oversees the FDA had been a pharmaceutical company executive and lobbyist.
So much for draining the swamp!
Hi mental, I’ve been active as a human rights activist fighting against the human rights abuses of children and people of all ages inflicted by psychiatry, for over 40 years. To read about my own harrowing lived experience of extreme states, I have an article here on Madinamerica called- “Initiatory Madness.”
Thank you mwatkins55 for importantly sharing about your eye opening time as a medical student at an adolescent clinic. I wish I knew of a progressive national parent support organization that is an alternative to the ubiquitous NAMI presence. Maybe a reader here will have and share such information. The public system I worked at in the SF Bay Area had some good parent groups that were helpful and not stigmatizing.
Thank you Stephen- I think the FDA corruption also has to do with both the FDA Chief Gottlieb, and his superior Azar at HHS were previously pharmaceutical industry executives and lobbyists.
Thank you Stephen- I think the FDA corruption also has to do with both the FDA Chief Gottlieb, and his superior Azar at HHS were pharmaceutical industry executives and lobbyists.
Thank you Steve. Good point about the iatrogenic public health crisis. Going to grade school and beyond in the 50’s seems almost idyllic compared to what it’s become the past 30 years, as social and economic stresses have coincided with the rise of psychiatry and DSM pathologizing of childhood and adult behavior. The enormously successful and sinister business plan of the drug companies to supply drugs to every living creature if possible has brought us here now where this electric brain device is approved by the FDA without a moment’s compunction.
Yes, 30-watt-lightbulb! I often wish the people who come up with and prescribe these harmful “treatments” and medications would have to endure them themselves and see how it feels.
Thank you for writing Ann and telling of your experience as a Special Education teacher.
Yes, the language in the FDA press release sounds like it’s a promo written by a PR firm.
Thank you for your important comment Berta! For sure, revolutionary change in our external society and broader culture is as necessary as is inner healing.
Hi Ellabelle,
I think Steve McCrea’s answer about trauma is a good one.
Yes, I use the term extreme states as it refers to what gets called Psychosis, but I mention that the qualities of emotional, spiritual, soul-depth, archetypal and existential suffering can be active during extreme states too. Many times people in extreme states are experiencing the immense sadness and/or overwhelming anxiety that you mentioned too.
Hi Alex, in my experience the trauma and emotional wounds from my past that caused the intense suffering of my extreme states over 50 years ago, still vulnerably live deep inside me, and can be activated if I’m not careful to focus on what and who I need and allow in my life, and to also focus on what and who I don’t need and won’t allow in my life.
That process may be similar to what you’re saying about coming into the present.
Thank you for your comment CatNight. I was able to always be an outspoken activist while working inside the system for 28 years as a dissident therapist. We had a strong group of us who had our own lived experience of extreme states that constantly fought against psychiatric power and NAMI political power- and we often succeeded in getting peer run services funded. We also got a civil service employee, peer counselor job class enacted in the 1990’s that was fully in the union with full benefits. Many of those original peer staff who were the true leaven that served to really transform the system from the inside out, have now been retiring with a full pension and benefits as new peer staff come on board.
Thank you for writing Laura, it’s great to hear from you my friend! I’ve read many of the wise and inspiring, essays on healing trauma that you’ve written on your wonderful blog site. Please share a link to your site here if that feels right to you.
Best wishes,
Michael
Hi adikanda, I’m sorry but my initial reply to your comment several hours ago got stuck in moderation because I corrected a typo. I hope it’s posted soon. I very much appreciate what you’ve written above.
Sincerely, Michael
Hi adikanda, thank you for writing and raising the question about the section in my article linked above- “Remembering a medication-free madness sanctuary” where I recounted my experiences doing family therapy in 1981 with young adults experiencing extreme states for the first time at the I-Ward sanctuary. I described how I was trying to figure out how the larger toxic social matrix impacts families ala RD Laing, as I talked about how I believed if one parent could bring an unshakable love forward for their struggling young adult, then that could be enough to help them weather the storm into young adulthood. But then I also wrote-
“Freud said that ‘nothing is more important for the healthy development of a child than the loving and protective presence of their father.’ At least one parent needs to be there and hold the child in their heart as the apple of their eye. Even then, the lack of the other parent’s love can be a big enough wound that the developmental hurdle of young adulthood requires that madness to occur.”
Your life-long devoted love for your son is very present in your powerful comment above.
Best wishes,
Michael
Hi Cathy- that’s a very important question, thank you. I’ve been with many people years after their period of extreme states who naturally are still traumatized by the often terrifying and demoralizing ordeal they went through. Often then, them focusing on what their emotions are now about their previous intense extreme states and what caused them, and how they were often mistreated when they got “professional treatment”- plus it’s valuable for them to see how their current dreams are providing deeper understanding of possible integration of extreme state trauma, and how even a deep healing in the psyche can emerge.
Thank you Annette for your very moving sharing. I’m so glad you found what you needed at Open Dialogue to be free! Best of wishes for everyday of your journey forward.
Michael
Hi rasselas.redux- in the article I briefly describe what I think an extreme state might be- “complex multi-dimensional human emotional, archetypal and spiritual suffering”- That’s based on my own experience of such states and from time spent with people. There’s a link above too to my Diabasis House research where I explore your important question “what is an extreme state” in much more depth. An MIA article called “Responding to madness with loving receptivity- a practical guide” also focuses on how I view extreme states.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you again Alex! Good to hear from you as always. Your faith is inspiring. I hope you’re right that light and love are capable of ultimately being more powerful than their polar opposites-
More powerful for both healing individual people and for stopping the mass destruction movements of war and every kind of planetary destruction that seem to threaten life on earth.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you again Krista! I’m very glad you survived the anaphylaxis. I hope many people read your comment that reveals the ethical and legal psychiatric wasteland you challenged. It made me think that the medical oath and credo first principle- “First do no harm” should in truth be- “First protect your license and your deep pockets!”
Thank you Krista for your encouraging words. I’m glad you escaped the gladiator-school and that bitterness isn’t with you. Best of wishes for the days ahead.
Michael
Thank you again Bippyone. I think Steve’s suggestion sounds good too. I hope they stop messing with your meds as you say, and that you are released soon. Best of wishes,
Michael
Thank you for writing JanCarol!
Come to think of it from what you wrote, maybe when empathy occurs and “the whole person he was sensing” happens- “but there was cruelty not compassion in response,” it sheds light on how multi-functional empathy may actually be for humans. Maybe because the capacity for empathy doesn’t restrict empathy to be limited to only being followed by compassion, there has been even a human evolutionary value to having been able to quite quickly sense where “the whole person” right in front of us “lives inside.” Are they dangerous? Do they come in peace? Are they hiding something?
Tuning into the full person right in front of us empathically- their emotional micro-expressions, eyes, body language, voice and the meanings being expressed via their uttered words, all are registering and being weighed.
How we respond to all we empathically learn is not narrowly limited just to compassion.
Maybe that’s not unfortunate as I said in my article, because at times empathically sensing where a person may “live inside” may give us the knowledge we need to run for cover!
Thanks for your comment Rosalee! I remember now that I actually wrote an article here on MIA in 2014 that’s titled- “What’s wrong with you? Nothing. What’s happened to you? Something.”
Thank you again BigPictureAwareness for your wonderful comment. I’m glad you shared about how valuable the Polyvagal Theory can be in understanding and heightening the processs of inner knowing and empathy.
Hi Judi. Thank you for your powerful comment.
So many times over the decades I’ve had people describe their initial immersion into the psychiatric disease model gulag and how the deepest core of their naive and innocent selves was veritably transformed. They described a gradual indoctrination into a new form of social and self-identification being systematically created around them in their transformed world as a “mental patient” and also intensley inside them as the almost seamless and inescapable “grooming process” as you say, begins, advances and succeeds.
I tried to shed some light on this insidious and ritualistic process in my MIA article- “Does the psychiatric disgnosis process act as a degradation ceremony?” Another article focuses there too- “Does a psychiatric diagnosis have the impact of a medical curse?”
I agree Steve! Thanks for your comment.
I tried to describe part of the dynamic you’re importantly highlighting when I gave examples of how psychiatric dogma-bound mental health professionals use their empathy skills to get insight into a person’s emotinal experiences, so that they can then diagnose/label and “treat” that person according to the clinician’s distorted psychiatric disease model belief system. In that closed echo chamber trap as you say, the clinician can not have real caring and compassion because treatment compliance is demanded based on the clinicians self-anointed superior status of professional, unquestionable authority to diagnose and insist on drug treatment, or other potentially invasive or forced treatment.
Hi Rachel777, thanks for your comment!
Since empathy is defined as “Having the ability to share someone else’s feelings or experiences by imagining what it would be like to be in that person’s situation,” then feeling empathy can be both the necessary prerequisite for then feeling caring and compassion, but empathy also can be used to tune into another person’s inner experience in order to gain knowledge about them that can be used to manipulate or exploit them without feeling caring or compassion for them.
Thank you too Alex! Yes, as you say so importantly, the multiplying, cumulative trauma that’s fueled by the clinician’s own emotion avoidant projections and projective identifications, plus the whole monolithic presence of the psychiatric disease model “treatment” system of denying and silencing emotion with medications- can easily crush the life and spirit of anyone-
Until they are almost against all odds able to escape the trap.
Thank you again Alex, for your great comment! I’ve long believed that the whole edifice of the psychiatric disease model of human emotional suffering was and is a massive cultural creation constructed to defend against the truthful emotional expression of individuals of every age in our society. Our culture fears emotional truth so much that we’ve tasked, co-created and funded the psychiatritric disease model to legitimize the control of every citizen’s subjective truth. That control is always exerted in the name of doing what’s best for the “deviating” emotion expressing person in our midst.
In this light, all those clinical assessments, diagnoses and forced or imposed “treatments” are as you say, fueled by the objectifying projections that places pathology “out there”- residing in the person suffering emotional pain.
The same unacknoledged unconscious inner fear that prompts a politician to induce fear in others via projective identification, also prompts the diagnosing “mental health” clinician to need to have the emotionally suffering person in front of them to embody the clinician’s fear of their own emotional suffering, so the clinician can safely go on telling themselves that they are beyond ever feeling the emotional pain that they diagnose in others.
I remember in grad school when a professor defensively responded to me in front of the class after I’d suggested that I believed that any one could end up in an extreme state if a threshold of trauma and loss occurred to them. The professor declared- “Michael, I could never become psychotic no matter what ever happened to me! I have completed a rigorous training analysis and my ego strength is now developed to the point where I’m impervious to ever becoming overwhelmed as you are claiming is possible for anyone!”
The whole class turned and looked at me, waiting for my answer.
I said- “ For your sake, I hope that’s true.”
Thanks for your comment BigPicture Awareness! Your great included quotes about perception and reality remind me of one by Orwell- “To see what is in front of one’s nose requires a constant struggle.”
Thank you for writing boans. It does feel to me like the soundtrack to our lives these days is made up of a whole chorus of both manipulative unconscious projective identifications as I noted, plus a constant stream of very conscious and intentionally produced political propaganda aimed our way from every part of the political spectrum imaginable.
Thank you for writing John. It’s very sad in my experience when people in our families and personal lives burn the bridges with us through their continued traumatizing cruelty that they won’t or can’t stop doing.
Thank you RightsRNotWrong for your hugely needed civil rights work for people in the mental health system in California and for your clarifying comment here about Laura’s Law AOT in California. The various Sf Bay Area counties that have chosen the Laura’s Law court ordered out-patient treatment option have gone through lengthy struggles between NAMI led activists and opponents like my friend Jay Mahler who you might know, and the very large group of people in Alameda County that includes Berkeley and Oakland for example, who fought against AOT.
In my MIA article called- “Why Invountary Out-Patient Treatment Isn’t Necessary: A First Person Account”- I cite a N.Y. Times article on Kendra’s Law that Laura’s Law was fashioned after. In the N.Y. times article a relative of a person in the mental health system AOT program is quoted- “Now with Kendra’s Law, the police take him to get his monthly shot of Haldol and he’s pretty stable.”
I understand that the Laura’s Law AOT treatment plans that I assume would always incude medications as part of the plan, are also drawn up as part of the AOT court order.
Would it require a Riese hearing or a community conservatorship process of the person under the AOT court order to allow the court to have the police involved as in the New York example?
I think that the “black robe” effect, and being under a court order that includes the AOT treatment plan can also be a form of pressure and coercion on a vulnerable person in the MH system.
Complying with an AOT treatment plan that includes new digital Abilify will no doubt be something that will be expected if not forced on people to avoid hospitalization in the future.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thanks for your comment Richard.
Under President Obama, the FDA rejected the original digital Abilify approval application based on safety concerns. But in May, 2017 the drug makers reapplied- and now have received FDA approval.
One of the promises President Trump made in his campaign was to loosen federal regulatory oversight at the EPA and other agencies.
I believe that the institution of Psychiatry evolved, exists and is tasked to control personal and societal deviance while making a handsome living for the 25,000 MD’s who are psychiatrists.
Abilify has been the most profitable drug on the market for it’s makers and company shareholders.
In the coming days we will see Big Brother and Big Business become even more tightly joined at the hip.
Thank you very much Fiachra, for sharing this extensive documentation about the harmful effects that Abilify causes for many people.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you for your important comment YetAnotherAccount. I’m very sorry for all you’ve been through, and glad to hear you’re finding your way forward.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you Patrice for giving your invaluable, compassionate advice to loved ones and family members who struggle and are impacted as they are also enveloped, as you say, by the psychiatric curse that greatly is harming their beloved ones as happened to your brother. Sending prayers and condolences for you and your family. I’m so sorry you lost your dear brother.
I hope many people read your comment.
In solidarity dear friend,
Michael
Thank you for your important comment streetphotobeing and for the 2 video links. The first video was awful as the psychiatrist compared his “patients” to pigs!
Best wishes,
Michael
Hi Chrys, thank you for your comment. I’m so happy to hear from you and to learn of your news and of your family!
You’ve always been one of the bravest of advocates and I’m always inspired by you.
Best of wishes my friend,
Michael
Lawrence, the 40 plus psychiatrists that I knew and worked along side as a dissident therapist at several different clinical locations within a large public sector mental health system for 28 years, were not in it for the money. They were not motivated by greed as you have suggested. They all could have made probably double their civil service salaries in private practice or other private psychiatric settings. Many of them had gone to some of the best medical schools in the country. They weren’t slouches. Many had been in the Peace Corps or served as Doctors Without Borders physicians on their vacation times. But all of them but one, had totally bought the psychiatric disease model of human emotional suffering, which was reinforced constantly for decades by the neuroscience stance of the APA and NIMH. But those psychiatrists did, with the best of intentions as altruistic civil servants, harm their patients as I describe in this article by indelibly labeling/medically cursing and harmfully treating their patients based on the true believer ideology of the psychiatric disease model.
Michael
Olga I’m very sorry to say it, but I learned yesterday that Matt took his life on Thursday.
There will be a memorial here on madinamerica tomorrow I’m told. There is a large group of people who knew Matt on the Facebook group- “Drop the Disorder” who are supporting each other and sending messages to Matt’s family.
Michael
Lawrence I believe the self interest factor is very big, but the dozens of psychiatrists I worked alongside everyday for almost 30 years also really believed in the disease model of human emotinal suffering they had been taught and that’s daily reinforced by the APA, NIMH and drug companies.
That HMO child psychiatrist who recently held up the plastic brain model to show the child and mother where the child’s so-called ADHD brain was malfunctioning actually believed that lie!
It’s more than cognitive dissonance at work that creates that false self serving narrative that psychiatrists tell themselves. I believe it is a form of stupidity as it’s defined- “behavior based on a lack of good sense and judgement.”
Psychiatrists have been trained and brainwashed to believe that it’s actually possible that an 2-3 year old toddler’s brain is diseased without any medical test to prove it, and so they diagnose them with ADHD or bipolar and give them psych meds.
That big lie about brain disease is at the heart of neuro-biological psychiatry’s Orwellian existence, and is the supportive foundation for the self interest that follows from it in my view.
Great article Lawrence, thank you! You show clearly how heroin and opiate use and abuse/deaths is increased by our child rearing culture that’s been hijacked by the psychiatric disease model of human behavior.
In my recent madinamerica.com article titled- “Why do parents give amphetamines and other risky psychiatric drugs to the children they love?” I recount a parent telling me of a child psychiatrist at a large HMO pulling out a plastic model of a brain to show her and her 5 year old child, by pointing to where the child’s “brain isn’t working right” and then saying Adderal would correct that brain defect.
I do therapy with such parents and children and teens to address emotional distress that psychiatry views as evidence of disease.
My other recent MIA article- “Do Psychiatrists harm their patents out of stupidity?” addresses the underlying problem of psychiatry as a human rights abusing, failed medical specialty that’s based on false premises that have no basis in scientific fact.
Best wishes,
Michael Cornwall PhD
This is so sad- for researchers with a huge budget who fail to even do a comprehensive literature review. Because the northern California Agnews state hospital project that they overlooked was a NIMH funded gold standard, randomly assigned, double blind first episode psychosis study that is still the largest ever study of its kind. The randomly assigned group that got placebo had a 70 percent lower re-hospitslization rate than the group that got antipsychotic meds. See my MIA article- “Remembering a Medicatuon Free Madness Sanctuary” for a report on Agnews and on the publicly funded IWard 20 bed program that I worked in that used the Agnews results to get funded and stay open for 8 years! We had similar efficacy results.
Loren Mosher of Soteria House founded yet another NIMH funded first episode, medication free psychosis program that had remarkable published research results that equaled Agnews. John Bolla did follow up research on Soteria a few years ago that showed the huge unmet need for such programs.
It’s simple- the majority of people who receive a med free residential place to be during their first experience of extreme states/psychosis are diverted from having the 6 month duration of so called symptoms and miss getting the bogus label of schizophrenia. They are diverted from being in the mental health system for possibly the rest of their lives. My doctoral research was on another California med free first episode program called Diabasis House that got similar results.
Michael Cornwall PhD
Michaelcornwall.com
Hi All,
Many thanks to everyone who commented and contributed to the lively and very valuable discussion here!
Dozens of people on my Facebook page and in Facebook groups who read my article also shared about the harm and human rights abuses done to them by psychiatry, and about the great need for receiving true compassion during times of suffering and when in need of helpful caring from others.
The article was picked up and featured in the Human Rights section of Evonews.com with a commentary by Dr. Harold Mandel.
Thank you again to everyone here on MIA for the powerful activism that is present here everyday.
Best wishes,
Michael
Michaelcornwall.com
Ron I’m surprised old friend, that you would imply that some writers, readers and commenters here are coming across as “fanatics making irrational attacks” as you stated in one of your comments above. Isn’t using that kind of name- calling and inflammatory language about critics of psychiatry who may disagree with your positions, much like what we’ve come to expect in some of the rhetoric that Jaffe, Torrey and especially Lieberman used when he publicly called Bob Whitaker a- “Menace to society!”
Hi Ron, thanks again for writing. I believe that when our society tasked and bankrolled and gave psychiatry the legal authority to be the medical specialty to respond to people in emotional distress, that a grave responsibility was accepted by psychiatry- especially in light of every psychiatrist’s solemn physician’s Hippocratic oath to “first do no harm.”
Because of the logical fallacy that the disease model of psychiatry is based on- that there are underlying “physical and organic” disease processes causing the emotional distress that is wrongly described by diagnoses like so-called schizophrenia, then deaths of psychiatric patients treated with that diagnosis are wrongful deaths in my view. Wrongful deaths because the physicians lied about the true causation of distress and because they knowingly prescribed medications that are proven to possibly have health ravaging side effects and meds that even increase the incidence of suicide.
Podiatrists, Opthomalogists, Orthopedists and other medical specialties like psychiatry, don’t treat patients with “physical and “organic” diseases that are potentially fatal. But those medical specialist’s patients don’t die dramatically earlier under those medical specialists care like the patients of their fellow MDs who are psychiatrists do.
I believe there should be an informed consent notice given to every patient that is about to receive psychiatric care- “Warning! You are receiving potentially life threatening treatment by the medical specialty of psychiatry. Our patients routinely die 20-25 years earlier than the national average. We can not prove the existence of any underlying physical or organic disease process that itself causes these deaths except in the instance of Alzheimer’s disease. Please know that former NIMH director Thomas Insel affirmed that there are no blood tests, X-rays, MRI tests or genetic tests that can confirm the DSM diagnosis and prognosis that you may be receiving today from your licensed Psychiatrist.”
Thanks Sally- I’m not predicting the disease model of psychiatry will drop into the dust bin of history anytime soon, but because I see so many people coming to see me in therapy the past few years who are really burnt out on it- that’s what gives me the most hope. Most of them have never heard of madinamerica.
Hi Seth, in private conversations Perry never really strongly emphasized that there are 2 categories of extreme state experiences in the way Grof more pointedly did- that is, you’re either in a spiritual emergency or you’ve got a psychiatric disease. John really focused with Diabasis House on first and early episode extreme state processes because the Esalen inspired Agnew’s Project study he was part of confirmed for him what he’d written about in “The Self in Psychotic Process” that Jung wrote the forward to in the 1950’s.
John saw how Diabasis like Agnew’s and Iward and Soteria,(not Laing’s Kingsley Hall) could divert 60-70 percent of first breaks from being in the system if they went through madness without meds in a loving setting.
But what about the 30-40 percent Diabasis couldn’t reach or help? He said he believed they were somehow unable to avail themselves but he wasn’t sure why- just that folks who had the flattest affect and tended towards paranoia instead of florrid super active imagery and emotion charged mythic narratives would somehow need to have their emotional psyches recharged, because he knew without that they were in a barren inner wasteland. Turns out they really were and are. But that’s not because they aren’t in an archetypal process as I found out and shared with him.
After the Diabasis and Iward(where I’d worked for years)med free madness sanctuaries were shut down, I worked for the next 25 years with many folks who had been on Iward and hadn’t been among the fortunate 60 percent who exited the system after being there. So against my job site clinical supervisor’s direction, but with Perry’s off site anxious blessing. I decided I would ask these so-called flat affect hebephrenic schizophrenics to please share their dreams with me.
Then out it poured, dream after archetypal dream, full of emotion and amazing imagery, mythic themes along with psychic phenomenon too.
When he saw what was happening, Perry strongly urged me to write my work up from this period with so-called “chronics” because it had reversed his belief that people who don’t get through madness on the first or second try are pretty much lost.
I am currently writing a long journal article or possibly a book on it, so stay tuned for the details. Bottom line, because of going through my own un-medicted underworld journey of madness, I never questioned whether anyone else could be reached and helped out of the spiritually barren and often terror fueled darkness filled wasteland too, if true merciful love was offered to them.o, I always believed that by definition, if you are experiencing extreme states your’e in an archetypal/spiritual. polytheistic deity inhabited process. So because the elevator in the psyche/soul goes down as well as up, hell is a spiritual zone too and the denizens of the wasteland are with the wasteland gods and ghosts when we pass them on the street, and if we only see their tragic outer condition, we just don’t know the whole story.
Thank you arjuna- I went to CIIS too and am happy to be working with some young grad students from there on developing a Laignian style residential haven for folks in extreme states, that also draws on transpersonal and Jungian psychology. It’s going to be called Gnosis Retreat Center. Michael Guy Thompson, who blogs here on MIA is the point person. The new paradigm, as you say- ever evolving.
Thank you Someone Else, I’d been thinking about fitting that great Lewis quote into this article somewhere, but didn’t manage to do it. I’m very glad you brought it!
Thank you BigPictureAwareness! I love you comment. maybe next time I’ll ask Hermes or another even more tricksterish magician to help me write so humor disarms where holding feet to fire may fail.
Thanks for writing Seth. I haven’t read Bruce’s article yet but it sounds great. Yes, the way the Emperor’s New Clothes story ends is very telling isn’t it- when held up against the stance of psychiatry?
Thanks for writing Ron. I don’t believe that certain DSM diagnoses like so-called schizophrenia have been proven to be “physical or organic” brain diseases. That’s why I wrote that such DSM diagnoses wouldn’t be potentially lethal, as the proven “physical and organic” disease processes such as cancer and heart disease are, which are treated as such by the medical specialties of oncology and cardiology.
I don’t believe it should matter why oldhead. If someone injures others even unwittingly they should be held responsible. I guess I’m trying to tip the scales a bit in the court of public opinion to hasten that day when justice is done, by hopefully undermining the publicly perceived legitimacy of psychiatry.
Thanks for writing John. Yes, they so often bristle and are appalled at the slightest challenge. I focus on that arrogant behavior in my MIA article- “Are Some Psychiatrists Addicted to Deference?”
At the end of the article I share about a psychiatrist telling Bob Whitaker after Bob had done a group presentation something like- “I’m not interested in talking about the questions you raised Mr. Whitaker, I just want you to know that I don’t like your attitude!”
Thank you knowledgeispower. That was my experience too- bringing solid research and information to psychiatrists about humane alternatives almost always was rejected or ignored. The self-interest you describe that keeps psychiatrists locked into their belief system and treatment practices also can’t be underestimated.
Thank you for writing Fred Abbe. I deeply believe what you’re saying that only those who have felt the terrible harm done by psychiatry can understand “the terror that psychiatry represents..”
Thank you for writing mepat. I’ve always respected another person’s inherent right to choose to do what’s right for them- as I want that respect for my choices extended to me too.
foglight, if I may say so, you are serving as a light in the darkness where you work. It’s so sad to see the light go out of someone as you describe, when they receive what I believe is a form of medical curse from a psychiatrist-
The hope destroying message given that they must always be heavily medicated feels like a life sentence.
Thank you Feelindiscouraged. Justice is going to happen someday. I may not live to see it, but I believe a day will come when psychiatrists who harm their patients will be going to jail for doing it.
Thank you Aria, for sharing the awful and very frequent example of a doctor who would blindly keeps increasing meds without questioning if they were causing harm.
I’m very glad you found your way forward despite his harmful treatment.
Thank you for your comment Erin- yes, how can a carpenter not know how a hammer works, a chef how an oven works, a doctor who took an oath to first do no harm not know when they are doing harm?
Thank you George!
That’s so telling that psychiatrists didn’t ask the great many people in your study about their personal experiences.
I remember reading that Jung had said that- “Psychiatry has turned the gods into diseases.” Seems like our inherent human birthright for having profound and meaningful mythic, spiritual, archetypal, psychic, soul and mystical experiences- and even our dream experiences have been pushed out of sight and devalued by the psychiatric vision of what it means to be human.
Hi George, it’s really great to see a fellow Jungian writer here on MIA, writing on dreams who also was friends with John Perry!
I look toward to your continued posts on dreams!
John and I were close friends for about 20 years and I did a doctoral research follow-up study on his med-free Jungian madness sanctuary, Diabasis House. Here on MIA I’ve written a couple of articles you may enjoy about dreams, Jung, madness and Perry.
A provocative one is called- “Jung’s First Dream, The Mad God Dionysus and a Madness Sanctuary Called Diabasis.”
In my MIA article- “Dreams: Still the Royal Road to the Unconscious” I share a dream teaching that Jung personally shared with Perry in Zurich about Jung’s own dreams, that John passed on to me in the 1980’s.
Welcome aboard to MIA!
Best wishes,
Michael Cornwall
Hi Emily, thank you very much for sharing your experiences and extremely valuable message of liberation. I’m glad you escaped that terrible scene and am very sorry that it was hurtful.
I was struck by how often the wisdom of your body alerted you to mounting danger- heart racing, hands trembling, head swimming as you approached the freeing but terrifying realization that the group leaders were masterfully working to trap everyone there in the Orwellian bind that is also the dark scheme of psychiatry that says- “if you resist what you are experiencing and interpreting as coercion, then it is proof that you need more force applied against you, to increase your level of submission and compliance.” Inherent in that obscene message of control and destruction of personal freedom, is that the oppressors know what is best for those they would dominate and that the means used to gain submission are justified- everything that is being done by the leaders is in the best interest of the victim of coercion.
The end game result is masterfully plotted by the oppressors. We see it in the darkness of Orwell’s vision of “1984” when the victim is finally, totally broken down as was skillfully orchestrated. Finally the trap closes and all free will is surrendered completey to the leader as the victim crumbles inside and proclaims- “I love Big Brother.”
Thank you for your defiance of the oppressors Emily.
Hi madmom, thanks for writing and sharing the good news about your daughter and your family. There’s a video on YouTube under my name where I talk about ways to possibly be encouraging and supportive without pushing, or being too irritating, as you say. That’s always a challenge. (-:
Thank you for writing kindredspirit! I know what you mean about the wonderful gift of caring that true friends bring when we’re in dire straits vs folks who end up just gawking at the train wreck.
Thank you Steve. That’s really it, what you say- that it’s the MESSAGE of psychiatry that is so destructive. The medical curse message of life long disease and doom as you describe it is a killer, not just a killer of hope but also literally a killer for countless people.
Thanks for your comment Matt. I’m glad you mentioned care of the soul and how hope is a more potent medicine than psych drugs. The disease model of psychiatry has failed to grasp such basic but crucial truths.
Hi Alex, thank you for writing. In this article I mainly focused on the value of receiving compassion from others as a way that hope may arise in us, but yes, clearly individual practices such as meditation and other soul sustaining rituals can support people greatly during those periods of emotional suffering such as you describe going through.
Thanks for your very important comment Richard! In my reply to Paris Williams (who cited the Dali Lama being unable at first to understand the western emotional experience of guilt and shame fueled self-hatred)- I refer to the “Fall” that for many Christians is held to be the beginning of human original sin and the corruption of the earth and all nature via disobedience.
70 percent of Americans are Christians and 70 percent of them believe in hell. They hold the belief that a hell awaits-
“People who have led bad lives and die without being sorry are eternally punished” according to a 2015 Pew Research study.
According to the Pew US study, 22 percent of Jews, 76 percent of Muslims, 32 percent of Buddhists and 28 percent of Hindus also believe in an afterlife hell as described above.
The person I write about in my article who was paralyzed by extreme feelings of shame and guilt, believed they deserved to burn in hell for all eternity until they finally became free of their burden of shame and guilt through self love.
Thank you for your comment Someone Else.
It’s beyond ironic that for several disease model caregivers I’ve known well over the decades, who themselves became very overwhelmed by traumas and losses in their own lives, did not seek out the standard psychiatric injurious treatment you describe above for themselves.
Instead, they sought out the loving care you describe. I guess that didn’t strike them as strange because they still clung to the false belief that their patients had mental illness and that their suffering was very different-
Thanks for your great comment Matt! I hope people here read it.
After 35 years of countless times watching disease model caregivers so often intentionally ignore, and be unable to respond with simple empathy and compassion, based on a shared human kinship with the subjective emotional pain of someone in pain sitting 4 feet away from them, it seems to me that the disease model of human emotional suffering has evolved to protect society and its caregivers from the intense kind of emotional intimacy that Searles and you describe- and that I suggest in this article.
The detached busy work of diagnosis, prognosis and treatment planning and so-called clinical intervention completely miss the mark of what the suffering person 4 feet away really needs.
Hi Brian, thanks for writing my friend, and for mentioning Open Dialogue and the healing work of Lewis Mehl-Madrona. All over the world most people have always practiced compassion and loving patience n the face of emotional suffering. Our waning historical era of draconian control and turning a cold shoulder to people in pain surely will not stand.
Hi Paris, thanks for your great comment! I think my belief that guilt and shame are not hard wired emotions, but are culture bound, learned emotional responses that we are tragically subjected to learning as children, is supported by Sharon’s description above of the Dali Lama not having any way of grasping her question about self-hatred because he hadn’t been made to feel that way, hadn’t been made to feel shamed and guilt when growing up.
Joseph Campbell pointed out that male dominant western culture is the only one on the planet with a creation myth that assigns planetary corruption to humans for our role in the ‘fall’- that fall includes not just our own shameful act of defiance that deserves punishment- but Campbell says nature itself has been contaminated by our presence on earth.
That’s not something the Dali Lama was taught.
I think the western heroic, patriarchal warrior mythic core also contributes to our heritage of learned guilt and shame, via it’s reification of glory vs disgrace in battle, and through prizing the goals of conquest and enslaving and humiliating enemies.
With these more fundamental culture defining, shame and guilt engines ever at work above, (over 50 percent of Americans believe that people who don’t live a good life will be punished for eternity in hell)-
if you then add on the power of modern social darwinism and the materialist imperatives of capitalism impinging on all of us, it looks to me like we live in a toxic shame and guilt making perfect storm.
These considerations above and the looming possible suicides of those gripped in extreme shame and guilt as I described in the article, brings me the urgency of saying no to the emotions of shame and guilt. Maybe some people can more peacefully resist them via mindfulness as you say, but for me, bluntly and unequivocally rejecting those learned emotions can’t happen quick enough.
Thank you for writing LisaO! You know I’m always beyond leery of anything claimed to be measured by fmri’s because of psychiatry’s bogus claims of brain pathology being shown via imaging. I remember feeling good about yogis and zen masters being hooked up to galvanic skin response and blood pressure cuffs in the 70’s to show they were really stress free. I need to catch up with what you know about the brain which I think doesn’t pathologize extreme states and our emotions- learned, culture bound emotions or hardwired ones!
best wishes, Michael
I never give anyone a psychiatric label oldhead. If you want to know why I don’t, please check 2 of my MIA articles- “i Don’t Believe in Mental Illness, Do You?” and “Does the Psychiatric Diagnosis Process Qualify as a Degradation Ceremony?”
Hi Seth, if you look up the word remorse in the Cambridge English Dictionary it say’s it is- “A feeling of sadness for something you have done.'” Several other dictionary definitions of remorse also clearly distinguish it from guilt.
And if you Google- guilt vs remorse, you’ll see how clearly remorse involves a person looking inward to feel empathy and caring for another person that they may have harmed.
That’s what I’m talking about. That kind of transformative emotional remorse aimed at the well being of the other, that remorse makes the learned and destructively induced, culture bound emotions of guilt and shame obsolete.
Via this restorative subjective emotional experience, as I wrote about in my article above, of feeling this kind of other focused, restorative remorse, that involves taking full personal responsibility for one’s hurting another, and which creates the willingness and pursuit of making amends, of feeling empathy and compassion, and of seeking reconciliation, well-
the destructive emotions of guilt and shame clearly have no role in that process of self-love while simultaneously caring for the well being of another.
If I rob and shoot someone as you describe in your example above, I should be able to be given consequences based on the findings of evidence that prove the facts of my actions. The judgement of the court should be solely be based on my proven actions.
It seems to me, that for justice to be real, it has to be dispassionately rendered with no attributions or judgements made about the state of a person’s soul or moral character. Otherwise justice is not justice but just another guilt and shame based degradation ceremony aimed at shaming and debasing and condemning the person hood of the one accused of breaking a law.
Of course justice can’t happen if a law itself is unjust, such as the forced treatment laws enacted to unlawfully control and imprison people labelled with psychiatric diagnoses.
Thank You for writing WoundedSoul74,
I wish none of those rejecting and shaming messages had been given to you and that people had and will treat you with the kindness and respect that you deserve. Please contact me through my website – michaelcornwall.com if you’d like to talk sometime.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks for writing CatNight,
It’s so unfortunately true that your injurious experience of psych hospitalization is true for countless other people too.
I’m very sorry you were subjected to that lack of caring and the infliction of rejection and abuse.
best wishes,
Michael
Hi Nomadic, I agree that people need to feel what we feel- and that to fully experience and express our emotions such as anger, fear, grief, happiness etc. is imperative for our emotional and personal freedom. Seeking that freedom began for me over 50 years ago as i traversed the emotional suffering of intense madness.
In my three other MIA articles on emotion listed below, I affirm my long held belief in the core value of emotional freedom – a freedom that the disease model of psychiatry so often destroys through it’s dogma and human rights abuse practices.
The articles are-
“Emotions: Keys to Our Freedom”
“Our Emotions-The Sole Creators of Every Word, Voice, Symbolic Image, Bodily Movement and Thought”
“For Me Self-Love Requires Both Mercy and Defiance.”
As I shared in this article on guilt and shame, I believe those two emotional experiences aren’t part of our hard wired human emotional birthright like the experiences of anger, fear, grief, joy, etc. are,. Babies aren’t born with the inherent mammalian/human need to feel ashamed and guilty. That’s why I see guilt and shame as being destructive, learned emotional experiences that are responses to manipulative and oppressive culture bound individual and group domination strategies developed to control the behavior of others.
Thanks for writing Alex,
Yes, the mental health system, the psychiatric disease model world freely dispenses guilt and shame along with DSM diagnoses- and people are guilt tripped if they don’t comply with the dr. orders for med consumption- and if the guilt trip doesn’t work, then forced treatment is a guilt fueled judgemental sanction and form of punishment.
My MIA article- “Does the Psychiatric Diagnosis Process Qualify as a Degradation Ceremony?” further explores how psychiatry functions to control deviance using shame in the degradation of personal identity.
I’m glad you feel no guilt for saying what you said above about not being responsible for other people’s feelings!
Best wishes my friend, Michael
Thank you for your wonderful comment Julie! I hope everyone reads it. The childhood you describe of being in nature and you and your brothers freely moving about with a child’s vibrant energy is what I remember of my childhood too. Now every child from birth on, is closely watched for any sign of what might deviate from the dreadful constrictions that pharma backed psychiatry may judge as pathological.
Best wishes, Michael
I’m very sad that Pat has passed and do believe his brutal and injurious mistreatment at the hands of the MH system shortened his life. Pat and I were comrades for many years in Contra Costa County in a strong coalition of activists that included Jay Mahler. For years Pat served on the state mandated county mental health advisory board that was dominated by NAMI and mental health administration, with a few other people with lived experience that got appointed, but were so disrespected that they often left after a month or so of being on the advisory board. If you knew Pat, you know he would never sit still for anyone talking down to or demeaning him or other consumer survivors in his presence. I fondly remember Pat, often refusing to yield the floor in those meetings as he fearlessly and brilliantly challenged the shocked county chief psychiatrist or head of NAMI, who were expecting but not getting deference.
Pat was a fearless and wonderful force of nature that did incredible good.
Peter, you are the conscience of psychiatry and have been for many decades. Your fearless truth telling as in this article on torture is a moral challenge to us all to take a stand or deny the truth before us.
Thank you again,
Michael
More than 10,000 toddlers age 2 to 3 years old are being medicated with amphetamine/Adderall or Ritalin, who have been diagnosed with ADHD, which is outside the pediatric guidelines and standard of care. The doctors who give the drugs are wide open to malpractice lawsuits.
Hi Nomadic, I disagree with your judgement that parents who are seeking help for the children they love are using their children. If parents are abusing their children in any way, that’s another matter. Seeking help for children out of genuine parental concern is not mistreatment.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you for your comments from your lived experience TenaciousMe. They are very valuable and do contribute to the credibility of the debate as you say.
Best wishes, Michael
Hi [email protected], Thank you for your comment.
I don’t support or agree with comments by Nomadic or anyone in this discussion that are judgemental or condemning of parents who are trying their best to help and find help for their children who are struggling. I’m glad to hear you found the private school that helped your son.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks again Liz, the info I saw a week ago in that Daily Beast article you linked above is what prompted me to write this one, from the vantage point of a therapist who sees families and children.
Best wishes, Michael
That’s so true oldhead- stimulants cause our brain pans to focus on whatever is right there for us to focus on- a kid learning long division or someone up at 4 am ironing the laundry until sunrise.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Alex, for sharing so well, how the hypnotic aura of medical authority can so blind people and even loved ones, from seeing the obvious great healing that other, alternative ways can provide. I hope many here will read your very important message.
Best wishes my friend, Michael
Thank you for Rooster, for sharing how your brother tragically was a victim of the mental health system that was supposed to help, not harm him. I’m very sorry for your loss.
Michael
A Comic book Called -“What’s up With Josh?” from the Shire, Adderal drug company on ADHD! In it an action heroes is saying- “Only a doctor can tell if you have ADHD or not, and it can be scary when you first get told you have it. But it’s much less scary when you understand it.”
Thank you very much Liz Sydney for the new link in your comment above, to the article about this incredible drug marketing scheme that directly targets kids!.
Best wishes, Michael
Hi The_cat, please edit out your use of the derogatory word ‘crooked” when describing Hillary Clinton. I appreciate very much the pertinent information you are sharing about her statements about psych drugs and children, and the future pre-school screening.
Thank you, Michael
Thanks for your comment Rossa, that shares from your first hand experience. From what I’m seeing these days, there is more pressure on parents to medicate coming from school staff, even in pre-schools and kindergarten. A child I know was diagnosed with ADHD at 3 years old after pre-school staff urged patents to get an evaluation.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks squash, for your comment that includes your very important mention of the role of social services in adding pressure for children and teens to routinely be medicated.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Warmac, for sharing the warning that prescribed amphetamines can be a true gateway drug, and for your other excellent points.
Best wishes, Michael
I totally agree with you Steve! In the article I mention the enforcement of over regimentation during school hours as being very problematic, but I’m grateful you said that so-called ADHD can be a very healthy expression of boredom and anger in response to being forced to sit at a desk and be subjected to seemingly endless inane and repetitive learning tasks.
I was like you- spaced out and staring out the window- In a way the whole school based childhood learning experience is surreal and Kafkaesque for many children. As hard wired hunter and gatherer primates we really aren’t built to spend most of our young years cooped up in a crowded room in a building under fluorescent lights.
Our culture tasked psychiatry and the drug companies to address that situation.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you for your very important comment Liz! I should have stressed the huge factor you mention- the tremendous pressure on parents from overwhelmed teachers and burnt out school principles to medicate children who the school staff may be having a difficult time with- for some of the reasons Steve McCrea mentions in his great comment below.
Best wishes, Michael
Hi All,
I’ll be discussing this new MIA article and other issues about psychiatric medication and therapy, with my friend Dr. Peter Breggin-
Tune in tomorow, June 15th at 4 pm eastern time on – “The Dr. Peter Breggin Radio Hour” at http://www.prn.fm. We hope you can join us!
Best wishes, Michael
We can’t easily feel and give empathy, compassion and love to ourselves or to another if we are in the grip of guilt and/or shame and/or fear. We can’t easily receive empathy, compassion and love from ourselves or from another if we are in the grip of guilt, and/or shame and/or fear.
A patriarchal culture’s defining myth form can induce much guilt, shame and fear. The belief in Divine judgement can elicit emotions of guilt, shame and fear.
A 2014 Pew Research Center, Religious Landscape Study found that roughly 72% of Americans say they believe in heaven- defined as a place “where people who led good lives are eternally rewarded.”
58 % of US adults also believe in hell- a place “where people who have led bad lives and die without being sorry are eternally punished.”
According to this study, 70% of Christians believe in hell, 22% Jewish Faith, 76% Muslim Faith, 32% Buddhist Faith, and 28% Hindu Faith also believe in hell as described above.
I understood Marcuse’s great refusal to mean that subjectively, person by person a defiance to oppression is individually realized and that organic process then creates a collective political wave of revolution.
“The personal is political” was a feminist rallying cry in the 60’s and 70’s.
A recent blog post I wrote here on MIA called- “For me, self-love requires both defiance and mercy” draws on the need for a great refusal of sorts to accept any outer or inner oppression, while at the same time claiming the right to give and receive empathy, compassion and love, as a way to redress the wounds of both commission and omission I believe our culture inflicts on us.
Thanks for this great info uprising! I took a grad school course from Marija Gimbutas where she really made a strong case based on her decades of field work to support her ideas about the genesis of patriarchy.
The overarching myth forms that historically emerge that various cultures embrace to create their cosmologies, theologies and social structures and cultural institutions- (that include their economic and political institutions, like feudalism or capitalism)- are patriarchal if a male deity is the creator of it all and rules over it all in any cultural aeon myth form.
That’s what I was referring to Oldhead, when I wrote about the mythic and archetypal roots of our own patriarchal culture.
Thank you for your very valuable comment NewPC, and for raising the question about how one of our most powerful patriarchal social institution, organized religion, may impact us via causing the kinds of wounds of omission I’m suggesting happen to us all, in this article..
Best wishes, Michael
Hi oldhead, thanks for your great comments. I do think the patriarchy in the broadest sense, because of it’s inherent values that reify power over others, naturally birthed feudalism and capitalism- and as 2016 capitalism morphs into an ever more blatant oligarchy, it almost is like a return to feudalism is happening.
The Citizen’s united supreme court ruling set the stage where just a couple of days ago, multi-billionaire Sheldon Adelson pledged $100 million dollars to multi-billionaire Trump’s campaign for president.
Our daily bread of alienation does to a huge degree flow from our modern serfdom. We may be able to more freely complain about the polices of the ruling capitalist oligarchy than the serfs could about the king, but I think until we practice a person by person subjective form of Marcuse’s “great refusal”- that capitalist economic oppression will keep the upper hand.
Previews of a very grassroots wave of person by person, subjective great refusal, came in the 60’s when holding a heart-centered personal inner commitment to peace and love and ant-war beliefs were extolled as themselves being revolutionary acts.
I guess what I’m writing here about the cultural wounds of omission that deprive us all of the necessary abundances of empathy, compassion and love that we all need, really does come from those younger days for me when hearing John Lennon sing -“All you need is love” said it all.
Thank you so much for writing Richard. In response to your central question above- “Is this not where it all begins?’ I’d sadly say, no I don’t believe so.
In fact I wish the profound, unconscious alienation that the hugely liberatory Marxist analysis so powerfully explains, explained and captured the roots of the beginning of the path of immeasurable human suffering that empathy, compassion and love, thankfully can be the antidotes for- both personally and collectively.
If the revolutionary message of Marx could completely solve our culture’s tragic state of wasteland-like, planet destroying existence, then such a political and economic solution as Marx envisioned via the death of capitalism should be pursued with our every waking breath.
But the death of capitalism and the rise of a benevolent, egalitarian social/economic world can only be a partial solution to our culture’s dilemma in my view.
What I’ve been calling the patriarchy, that began in earnest thousands of years ago, recently and logically spawned capitalism, just as it also logically built up the institutions of science and it’s offspring and tool for deviance control, the disease model of psychiatry and likewise the obscene modern warfare tool , the atom bomb.
It sounds strange perhaps to confess that Joseph Conrad’s- “The Heart of Darkness”- is still my go to book for comfort. In it I see confirmed the dark vision that confronted me in my year of madness over 50 years ago.
Against that backdrop, to me the patriarchy is just a metaphor for the larger human potential tendency to hoard and abuse power 0ver others, and to revel in organized sadism, cruelty and to be hypnotized by the seductive malignant narcissism of mass leaders like Caesar. Hitler, Stalin and even our own amazing Trump.
The looming evolutionary dead end for our species loosely named patriarchy, really hit it’s stride with the creation of the city state and the creation of agriculture. Until then our hunter gatherer homo sapien brain pans couldn’t come up with the organized people power and hi-tech to eventually blow up the planet.
That’s why I’m a fan of Dionysus who never strayed inside the city walls except to call folks back into the mountains to wild freedom.
So, my swan song is just to keep it simple and say I know empathy, compassion and love can heal, can help us night and day.
There is a heart of darkness and unspeakable horror, there is a heart of light and unimaginable love. That heart is one undivided heart there inside each of us and there inside everyone.
To readers here I’d write-
“Try and choose more light today in your heart than darkness, more love in your heart today than cruelty- before it’s too late and your very short life is over. You may need some help doing that from a higher power. I did.”
I’m grateful Alex, for you telling us all of your odyssey of transformation and quest for personal freedom- that really is a hero’s journey story as Joseph Campbell describes it.
That heroic struggle so often begins in the microcosm crucible of our families, that are themselves entities that are formed and exist in the surrounding toxic cultural macrocosm universe we’ve been discussing- where woundings of commission and omission are rampant.
It emboldens and soothes me to hear your story both for it’s defiance and for it’s soulful good news of freedom claimed by your loving heart now beating so wide open.
You’re welcome Naas, thanks for reading. I hope everyone who hasn’t already, will check out your very valuable and inspiring blog posts here on MIA!
Best wishes my friend, Michael
Thank you very much uprising, for sharing my comment response about the patriarchy that I wish I’d been able to think up and work into the article when I was writing it. But with you and the other wonderful commenters here, together we so often expand on the original blog posts in our conversations in ways that we co-create a living document that is enhanced.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you very much npeden, for the link to your blog of personal sharing about how nutrition, loving relationships and no psych drugs have transformed you- and thanks for the other valuable resource links too..
Hi Alex, great to hear from you as usual and to share these pages in conversation as we’ve done for a few years now. I agree with every thing you wisely say above- and believe it’s true about the modern mass media and how we’re programmed by it, and wounded and emotionally manipulated by it.
But the necessary pre-condition for that modern instrument of oppression to have emerged, was the destructive power of thousands of years of patriarchal myth forms and male ruled culture shaping institutions, that have scorned our human needs for the healing and life renewing intimacies of empathy, compassion and love.
In the name of glorious war, through the fear and loathing of feminine sexuality via body shaming spiritual purity, and by the hunger to absolutely subjugate or annihilate whole nations, continents and races, the patriarchal aeon has proved itself a human species evolutionary error and dead end.
I believe we’re in the final death throes of that waning patriarchal mythic aeon- and finding sources now of love, compassion and empathy are like finding hidden springs in a tortured wasteland.
We’re literally dying of thirst.
You say- “Society sees those who can’t function without love as useless eaters, it is an unfortunate truth.” I don’t believe that’s true jackdaniels. It looks to me that our culture is very conflicted over whether we view empathy, compassion and love as prized or not.
Because empathy, compassion and love are in desperately short supply in our daily lives, doesn’t mean they aren’t also desperately missed and longed for- even secretly so by the most Spartan of rugged individualists.
Thanks for posting the link to my article Bruce. I look forward to your coming articles on mental health politics, and in joining with you in this never ending political power struggle.
In solidarity, Michael
Hi Richard, I agree we need a broad array of political tactics. I also have long agreed with Herbert Marcuse and others, that the “long march through the institutions” that I practiced for almost 30 years has great value in transforming and weakening the oppressive system from the inside out- by being change agent catalysts, Resistance fighters inside the belly of the beast we help prepare the hour of it’s collapse. That long march is not everyone’s calling I know, but serving in the Resistance behind enemy lines has a venerable history.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you for your encouragement to write a book like that, BPDTransformation, B.A.. I’ve found the person-centered approach to also be helpful with people of all ages. I think the youngest child I spent time with who was suffering emotionally was 2 1/2 years old, and the oldest senior was in their 80’s. I guess we’re never too young or too old to need to be seen and heard and cared about.
Best wishes, Michael
Hi Bruce, thank you again for a very important article. I’m very surprised though, at your huge omission of not listing Peter Breggin as a high profile critic of psychiatry. Since the 1970’s no one has been bolder in their full throated condemnation of the disease model of psychiatry and it’s practices such as ECT and the use of medications. Breggin was smeared by NAMI with psychiatry’s blessing in an attempt to strip him of his license by the Maryland Medical Board for publicly speaking out against the use of medications.
As a front line dissident therapist and anti-psychiatry political activist working full time in a large urban public mental health system for 28 years, I know first hand and exactly why the Resistance you describe has failed so miserably in the political power struggle with the unholy alliance of Psychiatry, NAMI, Pharma and gutless politicians- and therefore why there are forced in-home treatment laws in almost every state and possibly soon nationally.
My April 2014 MIA article- “It’s time for a stronger political ground game to compete with NAMI and company on forced treatment” outlines why the Resistance has lost and will keep losing on every political issue, not just on forced treatment- if a city by city and county by county grassroots effort to match what the unholy alliance has perfected isn’t mounted.
Their political battle plan is simple. Build a relentless, ever present and ruthless political ground game from the bottom up and you can always win locally and nationally.
So to show what I’m talking about let me ask some pointed questions based on my experience, as I do in the article.
Bruce, and MIA readers. do you know the names of every mayor and city council person in every city and town in your county? Do you know the name of your County’s CEO, Health services director, mental health director, adult and children’s county mental health chiefs, plus the names of every elected county supervisor in your county? Are you now or have you been a member of an organized coalition of Resistance activists who have met with every person I’ve listed above in the first week they got hired or elected, and on a frequent, regular basis since then to strongly lobby them to oppose the unholy alliance and to adopt and support the vision and agenda of the Resistance?
If the answer to all the question above isn’t a resounding yes, then please understand why winning the political grass roots contest with the unholy alliance will never happen. Because NAMI, as the designated human face of the unholy alliance, has done and is doing as we speak exactly what I’m sharing above. They face to face lobby every person who may have any possible effect on tilting the political ground in their favor. In every meeting they unfailingly put the person of possible influence on the spot, to get them on record. They almost always either bring or tell about a local NAMI family member who has tragically lost an offspring to suicide and ask- “Are you in support of increasing psychiatric staff in the county system? Are you in favor of the civil commitment laws that provide for court ordered community treatment? Are you aware of what psychiatry has proven?- that mental illness is a medical disease that deserves the same allocation of psychiatric resources as the other medical specialties. And finally, do you know how many registered NAMI voters there are in your city, your county?”
How do I know what transpires in those NAMI meetings with all the people I’ve t listed above? I met with the all same people. For 20 years I was the leader of a broad based coalition of Eesistance reformers. Many times our group would meet the NAMI contingent in the waiting rooms of politicians or other decision makers. If they were scheduled first, we would go in next and see the looks on the faces of the people who had just been grilled by the NAMI leadership. I personally know some of those politicians and decision makers and they told me the questions NAMI asked them in order to leverage them on the public record.
One of those guys who’s a friend of mine started out as a city councilman and is now a very powerful California state senator. I remember what he told me when I was working on his campaign for county supervisor- “Jesus Mike, you know I support the progressive work you and the folks in your coalition represent, but I get so much damn pressure from NAMI and Dr. H. the chief of county psychiatry to vote for the changes they want. They even not so subtly threatened me that they’d support who”s running against me if they think my opponent is are more pro-mental health as NAMI sees it. They even told me how many NAMI registered voters there are in my district! Please know I’m sorry, but I’m not gonna be able to work to give you guys much of the consumer run services that you want this year, if I’m gonna win this election!”
We did get alot of the peer run services and peer specialist civil service jobs we fought for though over the years.
We tried to match the grassroots political ground game of NAMI and the unholy alliance.
Great blog Bob!
I see Allen that patronizingly thinks you’re- “unbalanced by a lack of clinical and life experience with the constituency whose needs you ignore.” He’s pulling the good old medical professional rank on you there, with a guilt trip attached. How dare you, a journalist, be so unwilling to be mentored by him, a licensed MD, into the “middle way?” At least Allen didn’t publicly call you a “menace to society” as his comrade Dr. Lieberman did.
As a clinician who has spent my career since 1978 specializing in serving people in all kinds of extreme or psychotic states, I daresay I’ve spent more hours face to face with people with a psychosis diagnoses than Allen has. He’s wrong about you being guilty of causing harm, that you are ignoring the “needs” of people he believes need antipsychotics, by your not publicly embracing his “middle way.” You’d have to partially embrace the disease model to do that, but to do that you’d need to ignore all the evidence you have discovered all these years- all the evidence you’ve shared that really meets a huge unmet need of countless people- the need for the truth.
I never believed in the disease model. So in the spirit of Open Dialogue, Soteria, I-Ward, Diabasis and many other approaches that don’t pathologize emotional suffering, but instead help people have a full emotional life, antipsychotics are seen for what they are, very powerful drugs that block, numb and suppress emotion. When that happens, all the emotion-fueled so-called symptoms of extreme states slow way down and recede- but those emotions and behaviors aren’t given a chance to be understood, integrated and resolved.
Allen needs to have a conversion. He needs to put his energy into promoting proven services that help people while avoiding the use of meds. But to do that he’d have to abandon the disease model.
Stranger things have happened to people who finally see the error of their ways.
Thanks for writing Someone Else and for sharing that damning and truthful information about the dangers of medications. I worked at that clinic 9 years ago and while there I frequently shared such information with all the doctors about the risks and dangers of meds and how helping people without meds as I did every day was possible. Then as now, such warnings that I repeated were ignored. They usually responded by saying that they had been trained to believe that brain imaging tests could show that psychosis damages the brain, so they were required to stop such damage with meds.
Psychiatry has become a morally bankrupt and failed social institution in my opinion because of such gross negligence and the enormous harm done through the wholesale use of harmful meds- now even on toddlers under three years old.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you for these great points you make Liz. The fantasy of precision in medicine is that, a fantasy as you show, but it may be a more a compelling fantasy for psychiatrists. They may really long for psychiatry to be a medical specialty that ranks with cardiology in it’s perceived precision and diagnostic sophistication, as Dr. Insel dreams of.
For 15 years in a public clinic, i shared a wall with a psychiatrist in the next room. He was a nice, friendly man who greeted me every morning. He wanted to help people as the practicing physician he had trained so long and hard to be. He believed in the biological and genetic causes of his patient’s suffering.
I never referred any of my clients to him for meds. I never referred any of my clients to any of the other psychiatrists in the clinic either. He, like them- knew I was a dissident therapist. Sometimes he and the other docs would refer someone to me for therapy.
Everyday the doctor in the room next to mine sat in his room with a DSM and a prescription pad and pen. All day long he wrote out prescriptions on the pad. For anxiety he used 2 or 3 drugs. For depression, 2 or 3. For psychosis 2 or 3. Sometimes he would order a blood test.
That was it. A small room, a DSM, a prescription pad, a pen, 3 to 4 patients an hour.
There are over 25,000 psychiatrists in the US and a I believe most of them spend their days like he did.
How wonderful if that changed- if he and the rest could order bio-marker tests soon as Dr. Insel seems to promise is coming for them to do. Then would the psychiatrist in the next room be happier? Would this new era of bio-markers mean he was practicing precision medicine?
I don’t think so. I think there still will be the small room, the DSM with the new 10 page biotype guide for psychosis, the prescription pad, and a pen. I think that’s the future because any way you cut it, first and foremost, the drugs still will need to be prescribed.
Best wishes, Michael
Right on Steve, and religions are based on beliefs that are deeply held personal values, that are really non-negotiable, fundamental, revealed truths. Revealed truths that the religion codifies into dogma.
Psychiatry does something very similar when they claim their theory and applied practices are based on irrefutable scientific evidence. Like many of us here I’ve debated with many psychiatrists over the years about issues as you raise. like the efficacy of giving stimulants to children. Because of my alternative orientation they say I’m wrong because they have science on their side, much like a fundamentalist saying that about god.
Even when I hold up research refuting them they say the research itself is compromised because I’m coming from a faulty belief system- because I don’t embrace bi0psychiatry. It’s like someone telling me I’m going to hell if I don’t accept Jesus.
When I say they also have a belief system it gets very interesting.
They say no, they don’t!
Once again science is claimed to be a pure basis for their claiming what to them, has clearly been proven to be true.
So, my trying to point out that we all operate from our belief systems is seen as proof that I just haven’t received the revealed truth.
Best wishes, Michael
Great point oldhead! A great many people sharing here on MIA and on countless other forums are telling everyone that there came a day for them when they realized the disease model explanation wasn’t true or valid for them.
But that day of insight isn’t counted by the powers that be as a day of personal liberation and celebration- no, it’s counted as a day when the person fell victim to the dreaded symptom, anosognosia. A person stops believing in the disease model and they believe that’s a personal victory- but the exact opposite attribution is often made by powerful caregivers and family members in their life. How crucial it is at that juncture that the person who stopped believing has support from others who also have stopped believing.
Best wishes, Michael
Wow Kermit! I really hope everyone reads your awesome comment here. It is very wise and inspiring- a succinct summing up of why MIA is so crucial to the present and future lives of all of us who come to this site for the abundant gifts it freely offers us. Many thanks to you and Bob and the MIA team for your tireless work and dedication.
Best wishes, Michael
Hi Fiachra, thanks for writing. Yes, wasn’t the scientific method supposed to provide insurance against prejudice and false judgment in it’s practice of truth seeking?
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks for your great comment radiohead! What are scientists who don”t use the scientific method? Idealogues or politicians in lab coats?
Best wishes, Michael
Hi Oldhead, I think if eugenics is based on identifying types or groups of people who are somehow publicly shown to be very biologically or physically different from an arbitrary norm because of a heritable trait or condition, then I believe the disease model of human emotional suffering that psychiatry espouses, has always been tainted that way. We know that some diagnosed people are often called schizophrenics- “She’s a schizophrenic.”
I wrote an article here on MIA called- “Does the psychiatric diagnosis process qualify as a degradation ceremony?” It explored the experience of a total identity re-assignment that happens via diagnosis. Won’t this new biotype system surely result in the common identity assignment parlance being used too, but with a more Orwellian twist- instead of “He’s a schizophrenic.” I imagine it will be-“He’s a type 1 or she’s a type 2.”
Not- ‘”She has been diagnosed with type 2 psychosis” but- “She is a Type 2.”
When humans start getting classified by biological types then it’s not a stretch to start ordering or ranking which types have more value and utility in society, and which types are less productive or pose a risk. Especially when even now for people labelled with certain DSM diagnoses of psychosis, we see they are being demonized as dangerous to society and our homeland security, and are believed to need laws to force psych drug treatment in their homes.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks Steve, for your comment and for pointing out a research methodology problem of fishing for coincidences and correlations. Yes, is this another breakthrough that will not sustain itself? Again, my concern is that Dr. Insel, who I think is probably a good poker player, risked a lot by betting this biotype diagnostic system can be defended by the powerful alliance of the NIMH, NAMI, psychiatry, pharma and the politicians who do their bidding.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks BPDTransformation, B.A., for your powerful comment. I hope you’re right, that activists can challenge this new diagnosis system strongly from now on. I worry that the momentum of the NIMH research agenda that Dr. Insel was the architect for, has so much political and financial support that it will be very hard to slow it down. The fact that Dr. Insel is now proclaiming that agenda is bearing this fruit- a new bio-marker based, biotype diagnostic system, is a huge victory for him and the vision that you and I and so many so strongly oppose.
Best wishes, Michael
My same thoughts too Oldhead! There will no doubt be those efforts to suppress and dismiss this research- especially since it was prompted by Bob’s work. But some of the researchers are epidemiologists from Columbia where Dr. Lieberman is chair of the dept. of psychiatry- how could the study easily be dismissed that was done by his colleagues at Columbia?
It’s going to be interesting to watch the fallout from the research and Bob’s article here- especially when Torrey and Jaffe and NAMI leaders weigh in.
Best wishes, Michael
Congratulations and thank you so much Bob! This landmark research that cannot show the justification for widespread anti-psychotic treatment never would have happened without your sustained efforts going back to 2002 with the release of Mad In America. The researchers come right out and say that your journalism challenged them to do this landmark study.
I can’t help but smile when I think of how this world class academic study that was prompted by your work, is being digested by your critics like former APA president, Dr. Lieberman- who publicly called you “a menace to society”- and referred to people who challenge psychiatry as- “Idealogues who are spreading scientific anarchy.”
I’m so grateful to you and Kermit Cole and all the crew at MIA for hanging in there all these years. This is truly a day of vindication and celebration!
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks for reading Lucy- I’m glad it spoke to you. Reading your great article here on MIA about consumer/survivors possible role in changing psychiatry, I see you are in the thick of the struggle in Canada on many important levels. It’s good to know you’re out there.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you for your great comments Alex! Life sure is messy and the expectation or goal of always being strong and clear and wise and brave is such a set up- and as you say when we do flounder around and make those inevitable human mistakes, then self love can really be most valuable.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Someone Else, for your inspiring and wise comment. I hope many people read it. It bolsters my belief in the need for loving self care and compassionately caring for others too. I’m grateful you were embraced by those inner sources of eternal love you describe that helped you through withdrawal into a deeper healing and knowing.
Best wishes, and in that fellowship of believing in love,
Michael
Thank you amnesia, I’m very glad you are alive too because of that inner flame of love. The dogmatic pathologizing of human emotional suffering by the disease model of psychiatry doesn’t recognize the healing balm that love surely can give us and that we all need.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks for your valuable comment Laura- I agree that this new digital psych drug may be just the beginning of a whole generation of chipped drugs across the board. Where profit is the motive, the drug companies have proven to be shameless and ruthless. Abilify was the top selling drug in the US last year with 7.2 billion in sales. It went generic this year- but if this new digital form is approved by the FDA, it will be a huge proprietary money maker for Otsuka and Proteus.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks again Fred- the church of allopathy has come up with a brave new solution for those who dare to refuse, cheek or spit out the soul numbing designer drug.
Michael
Thanks for writing Colin. For an old guy like me this new Orwellian robo-drug scenario does bring up a bad deja-vu twinge in my guts that reminds me when Marcuse was read by so many of us not long after we got notice of the looming Viet Nam draft.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks for writing Leah. Very good point- when the world appears sinister and unreal- when fear is so strong it is terror, and trust in others’ motives is totally gone- enter the doctor with pills that track me from inside my body. The very idea of it amplifies the waking nightmare.
Best wishes, Michael
Great comment Nancy, and we have hypnotic direct drug advertising on TV every night that makes the new normal for mom and dad to want to augment their SSRI’s with some anti-psychotic Abilify!
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks David, your dystopian manifesto may turn out to be pretty accurate someday! And who can forget Charlton Heston’s over-acting in Soylent Green!
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you again for writing David, I am very much in political activism mode while still holding the question you value too- If extreme states aren’t what psychiatry says they are, then what are they?
Best wishes, Michael
Wow! I just imagined Hunter Thompson and Allen Ginsberg both sitting up and saying- “yeah, keep on taking no prisoners this way travailler-vous!”
I want to read this a few more times to let all the magic, truth and scorch sink in like an antidote to a micro chipped pill I couldn’t cheek or spit out.
Thank you, Michael
Thank you Brother Duane- I saw a photo of Orwell with the caption- “I wrote 1984 to be a warning, not a damn instruction manual!”
Be well my friend, Michael
Hi Alex, I feel the forces of oppression in their over reach in many areas, are triggering a reaction that has the potential for positive change- even some kind of radical societal transformation. But the stakes are very high when personal liberty is up for grabs.
Be well my friend, Michael
Hi Frank, thanks for writing. You make some great points about the social and institutional forces converging to create a climate where such a drug would even be considered by the FDA for approval.
Best wishes, Michael
I gotta think the inventors of this technology have anticipated several ways it could be defeated The_cat. Thanks for writing about ways people are coming up with. Michael
Good question Steve! I think the widespread fear mongering about the supposed dangers from people with DSM diagnoses of psychosis has paralyzed self interested politicians from the right and left, but where is the outrage from the rank and file political activists on this human rights issue? Thanks for writing, Michael
Great points Timothy, thank you. Like me, I’m sure you have known psychiatrists and MD’s who have sadly had breakdowns and those breakdowns were hushed up in high-end treatment programs-
For addicted/impaired physicians who attend closed AA and NA meetings there is a special degree of anonymity as you point out.
The health care world is a very class stratified system in itself, and the consumers in the public mental health domain especially, are often afforded very little respect due to their economic status.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks again for writing Alex- yes, in what other medical specialty are those in need often so estranged from the providers that they must create their own way?- become their own healers as you say.
Thank you for your very moving and valuable comment Julie. The subjective/emotional, inner worlds of staff and providers when compared to those carrying a psychiatric label reflect such complex similarities and differences it seems to me. Providers and staff are trained and regimented, expected to hold certain beliefs while those of us in emotional distress have to find our way to meaning and freedom often on our own.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Someone Else, for your great comment and sharing about yourself. So many children as you say and people of all ages are at risk for severe side effects- or as RD Laing said- “effects” of antipsychotics.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks Stephen- I agree with your comment very much. The irrational that was embraced in Greece and came via Dionysus, is so often infused with intense emotion that I see psychiatry as being tasked to control much of what isn’t logical and reasonable. But at what cost? Now 1 in 4 women in the US have a psychiatric diagnosis and are on medication for example.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks for writing GetItRight, I’m glad that MIA is a resource for diverse information and a counter balance to the huge output of research that supports the psychiatric neuroscience disease model paradigm.
Best wishes, Michael
You are so right warmac- what you describe is a recipe for an extreme state process to begin. I’ve seen so many young people get overwhelmed at that crucial point in their lives, and Adderal and Ritalin block sleep and appetite which increases the risk.
Thanks for writing.
Best wishes, Michael
Great observation robertz! Every night our proud egos are swallowed up into the realm of sleep and dreams where all manner of unstoppable madness can take place unbidden. When I was mad it was like walking around in and through a waking dream- a nightmarish one.
Best wishes, Michael
Hi Fiachra,
Thanks for writing, that’s a very interesting point- about people who aren’t mental health workers being more open to the possibility of having an extreme state experience.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you MichaelKohut for your valuable comment that draws on your experience as a provider and as someone who has experienced extreme states. I would have loved to work in the field with you too!
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you very much for sharing some of your personal story CatNight. Random life traumatic events as you say, can have very powerful impacts on any of us.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you for writing The_cat, and for giving examples of how random life losses and traumas can cause a person to go into extreme states. I know someone who was in a car accident where a friend was killed. It was too much for them and they got diagnosed bipolar.
I don’t think people diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder are immune from experiencing extreme states if they also experience too much trauma.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Marie for sharing these 2 very clear examples of how life events, not some unproven underlying disease process, can dramatically effect any of us and tip us into extreme states.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks for writing Frank. Yes, seeing another human among humans before one has proven to be almost impossible for some providers if they can’t see through the veil of dogmatic and de-humanizing psychiatric disease theory that plays to their own hidden fears.
Best wishes. Michael
Thank you for writing jimg- I think you’re right that sometimes an us vs them dynamic is there. Especially when providers see people they serve as extremely deviating from normality and in need of control and even forced medication etc.
Best wishes, Michael
Oh Fred, I really hope everyone reads your comment. I know my article here has a limited focus and doesn’t speak to how the disease model of psychiatry too often gets operationalized in the damnable and horrific human rights abuses that were inflicted on you and countless others.
Thank you for telling that naked truth again.
Michael
Hi Alex,
I hope people read your remarkable comment! Sometimes it seems to me that such potentially very damaging pronouncements like what your professor made about you, can effect us like a kind of curse unless we ward them off and push back as you so wonderfully did.
I’ve known about your creative work and big contributions for individuals and the greater good for some time. I hope that professor also knows about you and realizes how and why his belief system failed him.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you for writing catsimmons. I’m glad you met the counselor that believed in your future and gave you those great gifts as you say, of hope and self-empowerment.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you for your important comment margiealtman. For me it highlights the complex ways we can develop empathy or can be blocked from doing that.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you bpdtransformation, B.A. for your strong comment and for telling about how war or solitary prison confinement trauma can effect any of us by causing extreme states.
Best wishes, Michael
Hi Sandy,
I believe we all are fallible and unconscious via cognitive dissonance and in other ways at times our whole lives. In this shame and guilt based culture I think the stakes are higher and the incentive to not let into awareness a mistake is heightened.
I recently saw a video clip where the legendary Bertam Karon, now in his nineties I believe, said that he confesses to his psychoanalytic students that every time he begins a session with a client, he feels a wave of anxiety and asks himself something like- “Who do I think I am to presume I can help this person in need?”
I felt relieved hearing that, because I always feel that way too- and yet you and I and so many others step into that room and try to do our best. Sometimes the stakes are very high.
Thank you for shining your light.
Hi Paris, thanks for writing this wonderful article. When I would enter I-Ward everyday for over 3 years, the hair on my neck would stand up because I was walking into a palpable force field of un-medicated madness where up to 20 residents were in extreme states of emotional chaos and creative genius- it was a crucible where the collapsing myth forms of our western civilization were consumed in the fire of visionary and messianic zeal- where wild eyed prophets male and female shouted baleful warnings or paraded in full ecstatic rapture, at times naked bodies full of unbridled sexuality would be running down a hallway, high risks for impulsive self-destruction/suicide and unprovoked violent attacks were ever present.
Unseen spiritual, archetypal and psychic forces were uncannily at work. They were driving the level of emotional and numinous intensity.
It was a sacred space where the personal and the cultural norms were blown up and the transformations you describe took place.
We staff were basically midwives providing food clothing and shelter and love to those in mad convulsions of death and rebirth of old selves and old ways and old belief systems.
I wish I could have been with you when your eyes were seeing your unfolding vision.
That mad vision is now bearing it’s edible fruit in this article, your great book and your ongoing work.
We as a species are in a life and death zone- at a crossroads where the narrow values and barren vision of the past several thousand years of male dominance are either going to be radically altered by the emergence of a new myth form or Gaia will die at our hands.
But there isn’t enough latuda, zyprexia, lithium or haldol in the world to stop the visionary madness that is erupting, that will provide the emotional rocket fuel and irresistible images and spirit infused words that have always poured forth like mana when an aeon is dying and another is being birthed.
Love you, Michael
Thanks for writing this article Jim. I hope my remarks below are of some value as we all seek to understand the lessons from Soteria Alaska.
I knew Loren Mosher, and co-led a workshop with him on first episode psychosis based on his experience with Soteria San Jose, and my follow-up research of the Diabasis House first episode med-free program, and my years of serving at the I-ward med-free first episode psychosis program in the early eighties. The whole rationale behind those three bay area programs was to divert the majority of people who first become psychotic from being in the system indefinitely as you say.
For the past 35 years I’ve specialized in serving people in extreme states as a therapist. I regularly serve people in their late teens and early twenties who are having their first psychotic episode who have had no contact with the mental health system and have not taken any meds- plus I see some who may have been psychotic and placed on meds for the first time in their late teens or early twenties, and want me to help them get off meds and integrate and heal from their life shattering experience.
So, I disagree with Susan Musante’s assessment that by the time someone is 18 and is becoming psychotic for the first time, they have necessarily been on meds for a number of years. That’s certainly not my experience.
The developmental glass ceiling of young adulthood that is the stressor that triggers almost all first episodes of psychosis to manifest between around 18 and 25, happens because the young person who is vulnerable from earlier trauma and childhood adversities becomes overwhelmed at college, or on their first job, or in the Army. or from the loss of their first love relationship- and generally is swamped by the huge, sink or swim existential and daunting task of attempting adult autonomy. Jay Haley called these first breaks a leaving home psychosis. They often happen with a rapid, dramatic onset with the young person having no previous contact with mental health services or meds.
From conversations with Daniel Mackler and other Soteria Alaska staff, I understand that there was a crucial lack of an ironclad MOU with the Alaska mental health administration that insured that every person who is identified at any portal of the system to be in a first break, be admitted at once to Soteria. That is what we had in place for I-ward and it insured our 20 bed residence was almost always full with young people in first episode psychosis. We were open for 8 years and diverted many hundreds of people from being in the system indefinitely. For the story of I-ward, see my MIA article- “Remembering a medication free madness sanctuary.”
Daniel Mackler even wrote here on MIA about his efforts several years after Soteria opened, to set up ad-hoc connections with individual psychiatrists at psych emergency to send Soteria first breaks.
I tried to urge Steven Morgan when he was setting up Soteria Vermont to take the necessary political action to get iron clad MOU’s with the state to send Soteria first breaks.
Without those iron clad MOU’s that in effect force staff psychiatrists by their bosses above them in the organization, to send first breaks from psych emergency and clinics to Soteria, the medical model standard of care that says every second someone is in psychosis, they are undergoing irreversible brain damage, will prevail- and the young person won’t be sent to Soteria.
The incredible political pressure by NAMI, psychiatry and pharma that forced the closings of Soteria San Jose, Diabasis and I-ward, accounts for the 45,000 acute hospital psych beds being the destination for almost every person who becomes psychotic for the first time.
If instead, those young people got to go through their process in a loving, med free setting and come out the other side- ‘weller than well” as Karl Menninger said, then a huge percentage of them would not be in the system indefinitely that shortens their lives by 25 years.
Thank you for writing this important article Bob.
I remember a local Northern California chapter NAMI president telling me that NAMI had successfully lobbied the makers of the movie to have Nash’s character say he recovered because of the new antipsychotics- that if the movie producers dared to truthfully show he recovered without meds that they would have blood on their hands- because some people diagnosed with schizophrenia would commit suicide without their meds.
Nami has successfully used this same fear-mongering strategy to lobby every level of elected politicians to now have forced in-home treatment in 45 states and to push forward the second Murphy attempt to make forced community treatment the law of the land.
Michael
Hi Sera, thanks for writing this great article on the big tent!
It reminded me that during the run up to the recent ISPS conference there was a very heated debate on the list serve about Dr. Lieberman having been invited to be a speaker on the plenary panel. Many of us writing opposed his involvement for some of the reasons you mention above. Lieberman had recently called critics of psychiatry- “self serving ideologues who are spreading scientific anarchy.”
It seemed to me the ISPS leaders who had invited Lieberman and supported him during the debate about him coming, embraced the big tent view that it is valuable to gather people with very opposing positions on psychiatric practices together. We finally were told Lieberman discovered he had a scheduling problem, and couldn’t make it. He has since expressed his contempt for those who dare to disagree with him, by publicly calling Bob Whitaker “a menace to society.”
There is another dimension to the big tent philosophy that also troubles me. It’s a kind of all embracing, ultimate diversity position that seems more like moral relativism in my view. It surprised me to recently hear it held by some prominent activists. It says that – “All models of understanding emotional distress and extreme states are equal- therefore its not being fair to see the medical model as any less valuable a paradigm than a social/interpersonal or trauma informed model.”
I raised the evidence of the documented harm done by the medical model, but was told that I still was “not being sophisticated if I singled out the medical model as less valuable.”
Some aspects of the big tent philosophy seem rather surreal if not Orwellian to me.
Best wishes,
Michael
I agree Bob, that individual psychiatrists are motivated to do good. They wanted to become doctors to serve. But as you say, they have been indoctrinated. Even before med school the bio-medical model and the standard of care tied to DSM diagnoses is what they, as members of the general public have been taught is true.
Once in med school, and then onto psychiatric specialty training, their training takes place in an almost airtight echo chamber.
Every day for 28 years I worked as a therapist alongside well-meaning psychiatrists on treatment teams at a large public mental health system. Most of them were shocked to hear for the first time that alternative ways of understanding and treating their patient’s suffering even existed. Some took it as good news, some took it as irresponsible, some went as far as Dr. Lieberman and Torrey in denouncing dissident providers like me as dangerous spreaders of false science.
But I sill keep telling psychiatrists about Soteria, I-ward, Diabasis and Open dialogue. Sometimes it pays off. A chief psychiatrist of a large HMO recently went back after a weekend training I did on alternatives, and shared the message with all of his psychiatrist co-workers.
Thank you again Bob, and Lisa Cosgrove for your great new book!
Thank you Joe, for doing the necessary detective work to expose Lieberman’s and Torrey’s dishonesty. I’m enjoying the idea of them both reading your article, which I’m sure they have by now!
Please check out my MIA article -“Remembering a medication free madness sanctuary” to see how a loving sanctuary is a better descriptor than asylum for the healing setting you describe. We used no diagnosis, meds or restraints on the 20 bed, open door I-Ward sanctuary I served at for several years.
You also might enjoy my website- “What is Madness?” at michaelcornwall.com
Best wishes,
Michael
Michael
I’m very grateful Bob for your continued work to address the damage done by psychiatry, not just to individual lives, but now showing it as a failed medical specialty and monolithic social institution, that has corrupted our very democratic social contract- and even re-defined human nature and human suffering as shot through with incipient pathology.
But as psychiatry has used science to carry out this betrayal, I have for decades seen science itself as the willing host vehicle that psychiatry has fed off of, and has relied on as psychiatry mutated into the powerful creature it has become.
Science has been the legitimizing social institution and vehicle for psychiatry even mastering electoral politics- to where now legislation allows forced in home treatment in almost all our states. This hegemony at every turn, has been documented as the operationalizing of the latest science.
Isn’t the almost sacrosanct historical institution of western science itself the larger “barrel” that psychiatry has grown out of like a hydra?
With a fundamentalist zeal, our culture believes in a reified empiricism, and has tithed untold billions at the altar of science, fervently building an edifice that makes the centuries of cathedral building in Europe seem puny.
Let’s dare to look at science itself as a betrayer of the human spirit. How much has Apollo’s victory over Dionysus, Descarte’s victory over Rousseau cost us all?
The lamentations of the human heart fall on the deaf ears of sterile science and it’s offspring psychiatry.
Jung said that psychiatry has turned the gods into diseases. He also said if he had lived in the middle ages he would have been burned as a heretic.
I think part of the solution to rectifying the sins of psychiatry, is exercising some heresy against the soulless science that spawned and sustains it.
Thank you dear friend Asherah for bravely and eloquently sharing your story of suffering, healing and transformation. Your voice is a wonderful addition to the chorus of souls here on MIA!
Best wishes, Michael
Peter, I agree that the tragic diagnosing and drugging of children should be banned. Thank you again for boldly standing up for the victims of psychiatric injury. You have proven again that you are the fearless conscience of psychiatry my friend.
Best wishes,
Michael
That is funny Michael- but not surprising because it’s pretty clear Dr. Liebeman is willing to fudge or forget the facts in this damage control, bare knuckle political process of trying to discredit and silence critics of psychiatry.
Thanks for your comment and I hope everyone reads your 2 great articles here on MIA!
Best wishes,
Michael
Thanks for your comment Daryl. I think that the huge usage of prescribed drugs of every kind is proof of the enormously successful business plan of the drug companies. It’s nice to hear that your father saw the problem very clearly.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you chrisreed for this and your other great comments here- good point about people who oppose altered food also being called anti-science. It’s the new thought crime.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Jeremy, for your great comment rebuking Dr. Lieberman about his distorted view of science!
I’m very glad to see you writing here on MIA, and am moved and heartened by your remarkably open and inspiring first 2 articles. I hope everyone reads them too.
Since I completed it, I’ve been planning to get my article here into Dr. Lieberman’s hands. Once there, I hope he reads down to your comment- which I imagine would elicit a pang of outrage to see a fellow psychiatrist take him to task. I know he has a special judgement for those fellow MD’s who don’t see things his way and instead stray from psychiatric orthodoxy.
But you may in fact earn a place on his list of apostates that include beloved friend Peter Breggin.
Finally, I felt a pang of recognition when you revealed in your MIA article, “On Becoming Critical,” that the main feature of your dark night of the soul was massive fear. That hell of super charged terror was my daily portion during my experience of un-medicated madness almost 50 years ago. I describe that life altering passage in my first blog article here on MIA titled- “Initiatory Madness.”
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you for your comment madincanada- best wishes to you and your son. I’m grateful for madinamerica too- its a community that is making our hopes for a better future a reality.
Michael
Thank you for both of your comments Someone Else. I appreciated your information about anti-psychotics and dopamine in your first comment. I didn’t understand what you meant in the last two paragraphs about the two original educated professions.
Thank you for expanding on that in your second comment. I was grateful that part of my work as a therapist was to serve children and teens who were victims of sexual abuse, and their families for 20 years. I’m very sorry your child was abused and see your courage to speak out for justice.
Best wishes, Michael
You’re welcome schizoaffective- and I’m really grateful for what you are sharing with us all. What you said above about what Bob Whitaker has done and is doing for us is beautiful and true.
We are all in this together- comrades in a human rights struggle is what it means to me.
Best wishes, Michael
I very much second Richard’s great suggestion Maladjusted, about more broadly sharing your very valuable comment above, and if possible to tell your narrative on MIA if you feel moved to do that.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you for your very powerful and eloquent comment Maladjusted. It contains volumes of very important truth in just a few paragraphs.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Kim for your comment that really is super clear about our healthy need to resist whatever psychiatry imposes that doesn’t help us.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Aria, for sharing about your painful experiences with psychiatry and your wise words.
I’m grateful you bring your voice to MIA. We all benefit from hearing you.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Danny S.
I agree with you about not giving anarchy a bad name- please see my response to Andrew above. For me anarchy has always been equated with personal freedom and personal sovereignty and responsibility. Lieberman misuses the term to label critics of psychiatry as self-serving foes of science and orthodox psychiatry.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Andrew. I think of myself as a self-defined anarchist along the lines you describe. I believe Lieberman misuses the definition of anarchism to create an epithet, that paints critics as dishonest opportunists worthy of being scorned, if not silenced, for not adhering to dogmatic psychiatric orthodoxy.
If he would have had his way, Dr. Luhrmann’s article never would have appeared in the NY Times.
Your articles and comments on MIA are great!
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks Dan!
I imagine soon after Insel said that bombshell about no bio proof to base a DSM diagnosis on, that Lieberman got furious and as APA president, pressured Insel into their joint memo about the DSM still being the gold standard.
Bless you Dan- and Leah, Oryx and the team at NEC for all you do- especially the daily battle over the Murphy legislation,
Best wishes,
Michael
Thanks John-
You’ve been standing up for people who needed help for a long time. Here’s to the coming future when pompous and dismissive psychiatrists like the one you encountered are out of business.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Carina-
I hope everyone will check out your great articles here on MIA to see how heart centered approaches to helping people can happen!
Best wishes,
Michael
I totally agree with what you say about being seen as second class Alex! Reminds me I have an article here on MIA called- “Does the psychiatric diagnosis process qualify as a degradation ceremony?”
Thanks, Michael
Hi Frank,
Thank you for reading and your comment.
Dr. Lieberman still embracing the DSM as the “gold standard” unfortunately sends the message to the public that psychiatry is still the authority on diagnosis and treatment.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks Ted! Some people are still wondering how George Bush got elected twice too.
I think Lieberman was very well known for his beliefs before he ran for APA president and was chosen because the majority of psychiatrists share his prejudices.
That’s part of the larger rationale for writing this article- and I’m still waiting for a chorus of psychiatrists to distance themselves from Lieberman’s demagoguery.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you Alex. Your moving personal comment makes real, how the enormous failures of empathy that often happen when we are related to as second class beings due to our perceived pathology, are then compounded by actual hostility being turned on us if we dare to speak up- and say we are being mistreated by psychiatry in general or a psychiatrist who we are face to face with.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you Natalie, for sharing this very valuable essay here on MIA! Bringing your cross-cultural field experience and unique perspective as a medical anthropologist, adds an important ingredient to the diverse mix of MIA writers and commenters.
It’s heartening to hear that some psychiatrists in India that you interviewed, assume recovery for people going through extreme states, given the norm here in the US that psychiatrists assume a lifelong pathological impairment.
Best wishes, and welcome to MIA!
Michael
Its great to hear from you Duane. I’m with you on the value of what works to claim the present moments that give us respite from past nightmare. If I can find ways to breathe easy now, I don’t have to flashback into the horror zone.
As ever, your friend in this life.
Michael
Thank you for your reply to amnesia’s comment Fred Abbe- and for sharing some of your lived experience too of suffering the effects of ECT, and your wise advice that we must appreciate our being alive while we still are.
I appreciate your very supportive words about the video!
Best wishes,
Michael
Hi amnesia, please try to pace yourself as you share your story more now, to avoid re-traumatizing yourself. You have been through so much. Telling our stories connect us inside to the painful memories and the profound sorrow we feel for ourselves. I hope you find rest and ease tonight.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you for your very powerful and valuable sharing here amnesia. I hope many people read it. I remember us talking briefly in Toronto at the Pychosis 2.0 conference. I was struck by your comment here being such a proof of how the psychiatric medical model rules out our human birthright gifts of psychic ability and visionary experience. Thank you again for telling of your harrowing journey with ECT and meds that were harmful.
Best wishes, Michael
You’re welcome and thank you Alex. I agree that modern life is so stressful that trying to be present with ourselves and others is a constant daily or hourly or minute by minute challenge.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you RISN for your generous comment. I looked at the RISN website and it looks like a wonderful service you all are providing.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you Laysha for this very powerful article. Weaving your revealing analysis of the multi-layered political forces at work that are destroying almost any confidence in the NIH and NIMH, with your understated pain about what you were subjected to by the “systems,” is both very moving and is a call to renewed activism.
Thank you too for describing yourself in your bio as having lived experience in the psychiatric, family court, special education and disability systems. It’s a needed reminder of how there is a comprehensive Kafkaesque world that closes around people both young and old to hold them in a net of control, if they deviate from arbitrary social norms. But what kind of a society is at work here, when as you say, from the president on down, we who deviate are subjected to the full weight of a monolithic rejection of who we are in our full humanity for a truncated version defined by so-called experts.
I just saw Your comment B. Sorry for the delay. We aren’t doing an internet link for this gathering. I just posted a blog today here though on MIA that has a video covering some of the content I will be sharing at Esalen.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you for your comment uprising. I know it is important to honor the personal religious beliefs of everyone. The majority of Americans believe that a hell realm exists as a possible afterlife existence. I’ve seen many people in extreme states and in the emotional suffering of anxiety and depression, struggle with the sense of an innate existential unworthiness, that may result in them going to hell. I think it is valid to have a conversation about the personal and culture shaping beliefs we have that may impact how we view and value ourselves. Some of those beliefs are conveyed to us by social institutions like our religious, political and even science based institutions like psychiatry.
Best wishes, Michael
Hi All,
This video on helping people in extreme states was first aired at the Mandala Project workshop at the Alternatives Conference on October 23rd, 2014.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you for the great quote from The Birth Of Tragedy- and for reading this essay Laura!
Nietzche’s hymn to Dionysus and the loosening, liberating power of the instinctual and irrational always has a tonic effect when I read it.
A couple of days ago I was feeling the need to read The Birth of Tragedy again!
In The Bacchae, Euripides has King Pentheus threatening to lock the wild and barrier breaking Dionysus in an iron cage. That impulse to stifle freedom, has always seemed the ground plan of psychiatry to me- to imprison and control our rampant emotional expressions via incarceration and med induced subjugation,
I hope everyone checks out your wonderful website- Laurakkerr.com for your great blog and original writings!
Best wishes, Michael
Hi Joanna,
Thank you for broadening this discussion to include the dimension of how the patriarchal mono myth that surrounds us, that grows out of western culture’s embrace of the Genesis creation story, may effect us psychologically. It reminded me of Joseph Campbell’s provocative statement- “Our story of the Fall in the Garden sees nature as corrupt; and that myth corrupts the whole world for us. Because nature is thought of as corrupt, every spontaneous act is sinful and must not be yielded to. You get a totally different civilization and a totally different way of living according to whether your myth presents nature as fallen or whether nature is itself a manifestation of divinity, and the spirit is the revelation of the divinity that is inherent in nature.”
Many people I’ve seen in therapy over the past 35 years have felt bad about themselves, partially because they believed they carried the stain of original sin, that at their core, they were lacking in inherent goodness and innocence- as they were taught by their parents and religious leaders.
Michael
BrianSpittles, I hope everyone reads this very illuminating comment by you! It really captures a level of insight we all can benefit from considering.
Thank you, Michael
Thanks for your comment AgniYoga, that sterile, impersonal- “clinical gaze” is not what we need to encounter when we are in emotional distress.
Best wishes, Michael
It’s very important when psychiatrists like you Jeremy, and Stuart Shipko above, weigh-in about your experiences with the negative impact on people of the DSM diagnostic process-and the importance of offering compassion for those in need.
Thank you, Michael
Dear Dorothy,
When I see the photos of you as a young girl, surrounded by those god-awful clinical cold words describing you- and the staff’s blase’ phrases proving their harmful abuse of you- it makes me shake my head in grief and anger.
Thank you again my friend for helping me know we must never stop fighting against such wrong doing.
Love, Michael
Thank you very much Ute for sharing your very valuable story of how you made it through so much and have accomplished what others thought was not possible. I’m grateful and feel inspired to see how you have persevered and kept your creative self free!
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Dorothy. I hope everyone reads your recent blog post- “Behind Locked Doors” and your other very valuable essays on MIA. Your harrowing and inspiring story, and your wise message for us all about the need for compassionate help, is a source of constant inspiration to me.
Love, Michael
Thank you for writing here kpalka, about your experiences as a naturopathic doctor helping people with their varied health needs. I’m glad you discovered MIA!
Best wishes, Michael
Hi Alex,
Thank you for your valuable comments. I welcome your views in this discussion and appreciate hearing about your alternative ways of helping people.
Best wishes, Michael
Dan, I hope everyone opens your comment to see the great list of very valuable links about diagnosis and about innovative approaches to helping people in emotional distress you have shared with us. Thank you very much.
Your thought provoking comment about the validity of DSM diagnosis prompted this train of thought for me-
As far as I know, if my general practitioner prescribes me medication for a health problem like asthma for instance, there is a requirement by my insurance carrier, be it Medicare, or Medicaid or Blue Cross, that the prescription is legally given based on a valid medical diagnosis that my GP can justify because certain diagnostic tests have taken place and are documented in my patient chart. In other words, no valid, documented diagnosis, no prescription, and also if no diagnosis, then no insurance payment to my GP for his time spent prescribing asthma medication for me.
It has always struck me that so many prescriptions for psych drugs are written by licensed MD’s that are paid for by public healthcare dollars and private insurance carriers, for which nothing resembling a true medical diagnosis has been established. It is surreal in a nightmarish way.
It speaks to the level of incredible political and corporate power that has been wielded to create the social institution of modern psychiatry. I want to say that what is happening with psychiatric treatment being done for which there is no medical diagnosis or justification is fraud.
But who is being de-frauded? The government? All the insurance entities both public and private? No, because our elected officials, from the president on down, the FDA, the justice department and all the insurance entities are in on it, they condone it, collude with it and perpetuate it.
I guess the only people who are victims of medical malpractice and fraud are the American people.
Best wishes,
Michael
Hi B, thanks for this powerful comment. Running the gauntlet of professionals committed to finding what is wrong with a person ala the DSM, is a very disorienting process as you say- gaslighting really sums it up. I have an article here on MIA that you might like called – “Is the psychiatric diagnosis process a degradation ceremony?” In it I explore the process of the public and subjective identity shift that happens when a DSM label is applied.
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks Marlop for your valuable comment and questions. I agree that taking a non-pathologizing approach shouldn’t mean minimizing or papering over the intensity of someone’s emotional distress. In my experience, since I don’t posit a genetic, brain disease causation for emotional distress and extreme states, then those experiences have always proven to make sense to me- I see them happening on a continuum of normality because I believe we all are capable of them given the right conditions.
When I hear someone’s story about what contributes to their distress or madness, it adds up, makes sense- even people who have made and survived extremely lethal suicide attempts.
The western medical model for physical problems certainly isn’t perfect, and also relies too much on a one size fits all approach that often ignores the whole person and alternative healing approaches.
The medicalization of emotional distress has proven to be an incalculable mistake in my opinion. A glaring example of why the psychiatric medical model is so damaging, is just yesterday the center for disease control issued an alert, reporting that an estimated 10,000 toddlers in the United States between the ages of 2-3 have been diagnosed with ADHD and are taking stimulant drugs like Ritalin and Adderall off label as prescribed by their pediatricians.
Best wishes, Michael
Hi again John,
Thank you for sharing this very sad and telling example here of how it works when the quest is to find out via DSM diagnosis, what is “wrong”- vs. being with someone compassionately as they explore what has happened to them.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you travailler-vous, for your thoughtful comment. I agree with your so clearly saying- “it is transparently inappropriate for clinicians to set questions of personal experience, feeling, and value aside in response to their client’s perhaps incapacitating emotional distress.”
My Army service was stateside driving a field ambulance, and it would have been inappropriate for me as you say, to put my feelings first when caring for someone seriously injured in an emergency medical situation. Those experiences as a young man always made me see that there was a great problem with psychiatry saying that what they were doing was equivalent to what physical medical care does.
Best wishes,
Michael
Hi Copy_cat, thank you for telling us about how in dual diagnosis services, the same error could be made by those who would focus in on what is wrong with someone’s brain instead of what has or is happening in their lives.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you RISN for this important comment. I agree that the mystery of our life on earth and the inter connectedness of all that exists is our birthright to explore- and how truncated the vision of human nature has become, that seeks to reduce our mysterious nature via the medicalization of experience, imagining the depths of our soul journey can fit into a cookbook of so-called psychopathology.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you B for sharing this painful and very telling example of how a mental heath professional totally fails to be of help, and instead is blaming and judgmental.
It highlights how as you say, when they are so hell bent on finding what is wrong with you, that the human connection with them becomes impossible.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Someone Else for sharing about your traumatic experience of being stigmatized instead of being assisted. A great deal was happening in your life that was overlooked by those who should have been there for you in ways that helped you.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you jonnylucid, MLuster and B for your valuable contributions to the discussion! Your sharing about the nature of consciousness, reminds me I wrote a couple of essays here on madinamerica you might be interested in about the primary role of emotion in creating our thoughts, words, imagery and symbolic self expression.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Stuart. I hope everyone reads your article here on MIA called – “Psychiatry as a Mixed Blessing”
In that article you share that you have practiced emergency medicine where people’s lives hung in the balance, depending on how accurately you could diagnose their condition- and as you say above, a psychiatric diagnosis process can be destructive instead of equally imperative, can add to the emotional distress and demoralization of a person.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Sally, for your valuable comment. I agree that there are many scenarios where it would be helpful for physical care providers to be more openly caring.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you so much Laurie for sharing your truth about what you went through and still are going through. There is a huge barrier of denial about the destructive effects of psychiatric drugs. I suppose if that wall of denial ever collapses, we could see them finally be taken off the market, as the FDA should have done a long time ago.
Best wishes to you and your children,
Michael
Thank you Julie, for telling about the harrowing experience your husband went through withdrawing from Abilify after the unfathomable loss of your beloved Anna. That telling adds to the evidence of a great wrong being done to many of us when we are most vulnerable.
As a society, I don’t think we can measure the scope of the loss of life and the destruction of human possibility brought about by these psychiatric medications. We are in the middle of a great human catastrophe and can’t see yet how much incredible damage is being done.
This minute, someone with a medical license is prescribing Abilify to a grieving parent, someone is prescribing Abilify for a 4 year old girl who is going through emotional pain for reasons that should be obvious.
Our culture has a ban on emotional truth that these drugs enforce.
I do hope our paths cross again in this struggle my friend. We tried to make a worthy project happen that could have tipped the scales. More opportunities to make a difference always will appear.
I am mourning your loss.
Sincerely, Michael
NewPC, I hope everyone reads your comment that is bringing tears to my eyes as I read it.
Your loved one was not a diagnosis or a scientific statistic. How far we have come as a culture to where our beloved ones who are lost are tallied as a number in a drug side effect study. And, when their visible suffering is not the occasion for professionals to vow to never give a substance that visibly harms and can even bring about a wrongful death again.
Thank you for sharing the truth and your grief with us. It hastens the day when these drug caused deaths are stopped once and for all.
Gratefully, Michael
Thank you again Naas, for being the catalyst for this article, and for your very valuable comment that opens up even more important questions about how we can both deal with, and benefit from our experiences during extreme states- whether during med withdrawal or not.
I’m very glad you weathered your deep journey into the dimensions of trauma and transformation you describe above, my friend.
I hope everyone will also read your inspiring and powerful, June 2012 in-depth telling of your personal story that you shared here on MIA.
I believe this article on medication withdrawal has sparked some helpful discussions, here on MIA and on Facebook, thanks to you supporting me posting it.
With gratitude,
Michael
B, I remember years ago when it was revealed that NAMI had a team of full time professional political strategists advising them that was salaried by pharma. As I said earlier, the local NAMI members don’t get a cent personally from pharma, but imagine how full time, world class political strategists have worked in every area of designing the NAMI grass roots ground game and national political campaign.
That political strategy so far is victorious in getting forced treatment laws passed in 45 states, plus the docfix bill Obama recently signed, and that professionally crafted political strategy now threatens to get Murphy’s legislation passed.
The pharmaceutical industry has carried out the most successful business plan in corporate American history since Henry Ford. Their amazingly successful drug distribution business model must be the envy of the kingpins who head up the illegal
drug cartels.
Thanks for the great NAMI links B!
Best wishes, Michael
Thanks again B and Leah for opening up this thread with good ideas about media resources. I wonder if local progressive stations across the country like KPFA in the bay area, would be more likely to carry our story than the big shows like Democracy Now? Peter Breggin blogs on Huff Post, maybe he could do a piece on the Murphy legislation to counter Jaffe’s propaganda- I will ask Peter about doing it.
Great comment Jonathan! Man you nailed it. If it feels that the whole country is in a dazed state of denial about the issues you raised, maybe it’s because one in 4 women are now taking psych drugs and one in five of all of us in the US are taking psych drugs. The illegal drug cartel kingpins must marvel at the successful drug distribution business model that big pharma has perfected.
Thank you Johnathan for weighing in here and for your great articles on MIA!
Michael
Thank you AA for your valuable advice and the great link for withdrawal friendly psychiatrists. Altostrata who is the administrator of that site is a very expert resource on drug withdrawal.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Someone Else for this very disturbing report about your experience contacting 24 mental health service organizations seeking help as you describe. All they offered was hospitalization even for a child.
Your report adds strong evidence that the professional standard of care for adults and children needing to reduce or withdraw from antipsychotics, is really a standard of care that is grossly negligent in my opinion.
Best wishes, Michael
You are very welcome AC400KICK. I’m glad the Icarus Project may be a resource for you and where you can support people too as you say.
best wishes, Michael
Thank you AC400KICK, for your valuable contribution to this discussion. It’s great that you will be off of AOT soon since you don’t want the injectable. I hope that you will find every resource and support you need to realize your goals. I understand there is a strong Icarus Project presence in some parts of New York. Do you know of it? Icarus founder Sascha Dubrul who writes here on MIA is in Brooklyn. They have a great website too.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Dawn for sharing very useful, personal information here that will help readers gain additional knowledge about drug withdrawal. I’m very glad you and your daughter were able to find, and coach providers in crucial ways to get some of your daughters needs met. Doing that as you are showing us, is part of the learning curve we all face too- how to get health plans and prescribers to shift their practices to really bring us the care we need.
Will Hall’s Harm Reduction Guide and Peter Breggin’s new book, Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal, are great resources for increasing our self-help knowledge.
Thank you for offering to help Jay Mahler, me and the Bay Area Mandala Project get some doors open on new and vitally needed services! You have my email address- let’s talk soon.
Your Contra Costa County former co-worker,
Michael
Hi Rossa,
I wonder if there isn’t a growing number of psychiatrists who know that some people are going to need more support than they can offer them to withdraw from Abilify and other antipsychotics. I have heard from so many people these days who have unsuccessfully tried withdrawal at home, and now are saying they believe they need a supportive 24/7 residential program to really do it.
Here in the SF Bay Area, a group of us activists are developing plans and proposals for a Soteria style sanctuary, plus a harm reduction residential place where people can withdraw from meds with all the wellness and holistic supports they may need. We have been well received by the county mental heath administrators and non-profit service providers we may partner with, that we have shared our developing proposals with.
Your son has built a very good self care regimen as you say, and you are a remarkably supportive and informed parent. Even so, the 24/7 assistance you both may need to walk him through complete withdrawal may be hard to find right now. An in home team of 24/7 support is difficult to maintain.
Thank you for your valuable comment Rossa. There needs to be allot more attention paid to this problem of withdrawal from antipsychotics and other psych meds, especially given that one in four women in the US are prescribed psych meds, and one in five of the total population, are taking psych meds.
Michael
Thank you for that very important clarification and update Matthew. The fatalistic response of medical doctors rarely supporting antipsychotic med withdrawal, and as you say, also not supporting opiate withdrawal as an emerging standard of care, does raise questions of expediency and self interest.
Isn’t the preservation of the medical model paradigm advanced when again, as you say- the body’s chemistry is viewed as something to indefinitely be managed externally via prescribed medications? Don’t physicians who can see several patients an hour for medication management have a vested interest in people continuing on meds, whether suboxone or Abilify? Of course the drug makers and drug stores profit from every prescription that is filled.
A very good question Sinead, thank you. I am imagining laws being passed that prohibit forced community treatment in each state that has forced community treatment laws- or those force laws being found unconstitutional. I’m not sure what variety or scope of a law would have prevented Justina from being in the situation she is in, but the outcry about what has happened to her has a similar level of public outrage that was present in Laura’s law being passed in New York.
Maybe a Justina’s law could be a historic marker of the tide turning in the struggle to stop forced psychiatric treatment in many of it’s forms. This all is happening now against the backdrop of the UN equating forced treatment with torture.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you for sharing this Juliemadblogger. I’m very glad you bravely beat the odds, and received some needed caring from someone who believed in you. Would you please share the titles of your books here with us? I imagine your writing is from the heart and soul.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you for your moving and revealing comment acidpop5. I hope everyone reads it to see how the mistreatment you received still effects you and your quality of life 20 years later. How many countless people have a very similar, wrongly inflicted burden to bear? I believe you are speaking for them too.
Michael
B, those are great ideas about Democracy Now and Youtube channels like Young Turks being media outlets where our movement’s advocacy could be heard and seen.
Thank you,
Michael
Please count me as your dedicated ally in the days and months and perhaps years ahead Leah.
I’m glad you got to be at the MLK memorial today. That is one place I would like to be at someday. He surely would have stood with us and deeply recognized what human rights are at stake for us and so many people we care about.
Great quote B! I remember Bertrand Russell was one of the very first prominent people to come out against the Viet Nam war, and was roundly attacked by many. He opened the war crimes tribunal on Viet Nam in 1967 by saying- “We are not judges. We are witnesses. Our task is to make mankind bear witness to these terrible crimes and to unite humanity on the side of justice in Viet Nam.”
I have seen 4 year old little children so medicated with anti-psychotic drugs that they drool and slur their words and stumble when they walk.
We are more than witnesses. We are the ones who will fight to stop forced treatment of our innocent children and everyone else
who isn’t given a choice to say no.
Michael
I agree B, that coming back to fight the system that has traumatized one can itself be re-traumatizing. That is another good reason why mutual support is so important for those of us engaged in this struggle.
Thanks for your comment,
Michael.
Thank you John- I agree that all the ingredients necessary for an effective political ground game to reform the mental health system are really like what we see in any successful political campaign.
best wishes, Michael
Yes AGniYoga, I agree that a huge unmet need is for more and more people to be able to spend time with another person who lovingly listens and cares about their suffering and their needs. It’s pretty simple. Maybe too simple in this age of psychiatry becoming applied neuroscience.
If I am really terrified, hearing voices, seeing things and haven’t slept for a long time as I was in my madness days, would I really go to a doctor and ask-“Please, may I have some applied neuroscience, please help me, I can’t take this anymore.”
Where is the love and comfort in applied neuroscience?
In 1966 my loving, aged grandmother would be sitting in her chair- and when the voices and terror in me would be unbearable I would go sit at her feet as I did as a little boy and ask her- “Grandma, will you put your hand on my head again please?” And she always would put her hand on my head and sometimes say, “I’m sorry you are sick Michael. you must have the flu dear.” But I didn’t have the flu- or schizophrenia or bipolar. I had a broken heart and an almost broken spirit.
That kind of loving care she saved me with is what I want in my hours of need and what I want to give others in theirs.
When all is said and done about politics and ways to make it better for people, we know how much pain we here in this discussion have endured and why we want to help it be relieved for others.
Michael
Thank you kris10joleen, for your eloquent comment that adds to this discussion. Hearing your commitment to speaking truth to power helps to bolster mine.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you oldhead for your very valuable contributions to this discussion, and the must read links to Ted’s essay on movement history, and the historic 1982 statement of principles on Mindfreedom.org.
Best wishes,
Michael
It’s great what you are doing Russerford! You are bringing a message of hope to counter the usual one of no hope, and helping people who are in real need who are searching for answers. Your presence in NAMI I believe acts as a leaven that helps transform the organization, just like Keris is doing. I wish you would write an op-ed here on MIA to describe your service and activism.
Thank you for your comment.
Best wishes,
Michael
I hear you Nancy. What is happening with Justina has mobilized people to the degree that a Justina’s law should be in the realm of possibility. You are doing great work there.
We all have the right to choose who we are morally willing to cast our fate with in this struggle, who we will embrace as allies.
I don’t know enough about some controversial potential allies like the CCHRR or the Liberty counsel to join forces with them today, but I agree that having the broadest coalition possible is what it is going to take to reverse the forced treatment laws.
Thank you for your important comment.
Michael
Great questions Richard, and a valuable challenge to those of us who have spent decades in the belly of the beast of public mental health systems competing with the NAMI led alliance I described- and since I am urging people here to do even more of that!
I remember from the 60’s the debate of peaceful civil disobedience, and electoral politics vs the Malcom X, Stokeley Carmichael, Black Panther call to revolution- “by any means necessary.”
I recently met with some people discussing how we could be part of the underground railroad that helps people move across legal jurisdictions who are under court ordered in-home treatment. I said- remembering my days as a Viet Nam war protester, “Isn’t it time that a bunch of us activists are filmed getting arrested and handcuffed for helping people get free of forced treatment?”
Because I agree with you, that a hard core vanguard group can inspire public conscience in a way that the grind of lobbying politicians can’t.
But don’t we need both to be happening?
I guess that underground railroad action still would be civil disobedience ala King and many Viet Nam resisters that went to jail for defying the draft.
The Occupy movement did a more intense version lately as they took over various public and private locations.
What do you envision needs to happen now Richard, to create the kind of vanguard presence you believe we need? I feel you may have a manifesto and more at your fingertips.
With respect, Michael
Right now, as the Murphy legislation is being considered Marielutz, I would urge everyone to go ahead and contact their elected representatives in congress, and if possible go and be heard in person when your reps are back home in town. If there are activist groups in your community you could check them out. Psychrights is a national organization that you could support, and the National Empowerment Center and Mindfreedom and the Icarus Project are awesome too. My fledgling website michaelcornwall.com has some links. Supporting Mad in America is a great political opportunity too!
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Fiachra, the widespread sharing of truthful information about recovery is greatly needed to inform the public about what is possible.
Michael
Yes uprising,
Support for people coming off psych drugs is an enormous unmet need. I get contacted very often by people asking for help finding resources for coming off meds.
One in five people are prescribed psych meds but support for people who want to come off them is almost non-existent.
Thanks for your comment,
Michael
Absolutely HH! We need recovery oriented, hope based locally available support groups in equal numbers to those provided by NAMI.
Thanks for your comment.
Michael
Yes Ted, we need to recruit more people from the millions who have experienced forced treatment, and also their family members like the county supervisor in Oakland you witnessed, who dramatically voted against forced treatment because a loved one had been through it.
Best wishes, Michael
I agree Leah,
NAMI is not the enemy, but it seems fair to say we are political opponents when it comes to forced treatment given the National NAMI campaign agenda on forced treatment.
There are many NAMI members waiting for the good news about choice and alternatives that we need to reach out to- like you did at the hearing yesterday. At one point one of our strongest allies here in the bay area was a local NAMI chapter president who supported a Soteria House proposal that Jay Mahler and I and our coalition got funding for. NAMI can be an invaluable political ally when common ground is shared- and we can learn allot from their political ground game playbook.
Great thanks for your service and Dan, Oryx and all at NEC!
Michael
I know what you are saying Rossa, can any political movement claim to be grassroots if it is bankrolled by enormous corporate interests? The huge number of local NAMI members I know are selfless political activists that never get a cent from pharma. They tirelessly go to lobby every tier of the political and mental health administrative infrastructure in their towns and counties and states. That has been the genius of their political ground game. I guess I see those local NAMI members as grass roots activists because of them making up the rock solid base of an almost unstoppable political alliance.
Yes, with that new Supreme court decision even more money will be pumped into our already corrupt political process.
Thanks for your comment Rossa,
Michael
This is really good to hear Sharon. That’s wonderful that you built your own sandtray! There is something magical, it seems to me to see how the sand tray work and dreams bring a level of deeper truth into the room- for both the dreamer and sand tray explorer- and for us too, who receive their creations.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you Fred Abbe for sharing your valuable healing and/or resistance resources.
I appreciate learning about what helps you that may also help me and others in the days ahead.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you again ColinB897 for your important contributions to this ongoing discussion. Examining the broad social, interpersonal and personally subjective processes involved in how mega social institutions are gradually evolved, and then may be gradually or dramatically transformed, is very valuable as we think about how psychiatry may be effected by a revolutionary process of change.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thanks again Seth for your wise and thoughtful contributions to this conversation about the care of our children and the future of psychiatry as a social institution. I’d hoped this article would prompt such a conversation with MIA writers like you and Chrys, and the other commenters. It has been well received on Facebook, with almost 550 “Likes” and over 1060 views here on MIA. I wish it had been featured here on MIA because more parents and people may have benefited from exploring the issues it raises.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Tina for your continued tenacious work protecting human rights. The testimony of Dr. Jones of DHHS seems very revealing about the extent of abuses happening and how the states operate without uniform federal oversight.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you for your powerful comment Someone Else. As an Army medic 50 years ago, I started working alongside mainstream doctors. I agree with you that now psychiatry is becoming more legitimate in other MD’s eyes- I would say probably that is happening because of psychiatry reinventing itself as applied neuroscience.
Best wishes, Michael
Chrys, you certainly are one of the strong advocate parents and mothers I always think of when I imagine a growing force of opposition to children and teens being harmed by psychiatric treatments. Plus you always have the vision of humane alternatives at the ready to provide tangible hope for the future where our young ones can get their needs met!
Best wishes, Michael
Yes, AA. Antipsychotic meds are reported to destroy brain volume at 1% a year.
The 5 year olds I know on meds will have lost 10 percent of their brain cells by the time they are 15.
My heart breaks for them as does yours.
Best wishes, Michael
Seth, I see dissident psychiatrists like Peter Breggin, Dan Fisher, Brad Lewis and others, playing a crucial role in legitimizing an alternative model to the psychiatric model, but as I said, I don’t believe there are or will be enough dissident psychiatrists like them to reform the social institution of psychiatry consisting of almost 25,000 MD’s whose average national income is $177,520- from either the inside or the outside. Not that status and money are the key factors, but that the belief in psychiatry as applied neuroscience is so ingrained from med school on, that it won’t give way to a psycho-social paradigm of care and underlying assumptions about the causation of human emotional suffering being adopted by more than a small fraction of psychiatrists.
So I have been tuning into where then, will the change agents in sufficient numbers come from. Like with the dissident psychiatrists , I see the advocates and activists like yourself and many of us with lived experience and those who are psychiatric survivors, represented on MIA as another huge force that will be part of an eventual collapse of psychiatry, but that the most powerful sleeping giant that will bring a moral authority of tangible political power will be parents and loved ones of children who will finally say no more.
A mobilization of parents and loved ones on the scale of NAMI will emerge to get laws like Kendra’s and Laura’s laws passed to outlaw the wholesale drugging of children and minors instead of legalizing forced community treatment like those NAMI co-created laws have done.
Imagine a Justina’s law.
In the first line of my article I said that protecting our innocent young ones is a sacred obligation. There is an innate, visceral emotional response of outrage I hear when I tell about the children I know who are drugged into submission. Innocence is numinous. We are hard wired as mammals also to protect our offspring. It is the most powerful instinctual mammalian response.
I am counting on the archetypal, sacred obligation to protect innocent children that is inherent in our social contract, and our primitive animal protectiveness to stop psychiatry from harming our children.
Thanks Seth,
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you for your powerful comment Fred Abbe. I am glad you survived all you faced from such a young age. I hold onto hope that there will be a moral tipping point where society says never again to what happened to you and to the children who now begin that nightmare as toddlers.
Best wishes, Michael
Ted, I see in the public response to Justina that the awareness of a young person being mistreated, prompts the kind of innate strong protective response that I am suggesting could multiply and translate into legal protections, if more and more focused attention is put on the plight of children and teens who are being harmed by psych meds and forced treatment.
Thanks for your comment Ted!
Best wishes, Michael
Forced psychiatric treatment and the drugging of children who have no say in their health being compromised are human rights abuses in my opinion John. If we look at successful human rights struggles, we almost always see a public phase of concerted non-violent campaigning as you say.
Thanks again, Michael
I agree John that non-violent civil disobedience can be a valuable way to effect political change. Thank you for your comment and link.
Best wishes, Michael
Yes Chrys, we need to provide truly humane alternatives to medications for children and teens who are in distress. More and more I see parents and family members wanting choice for themselves and their children. A good example is the huge interest in the Mother Bear family recovery organization that Lisbeth Cooper-Riis and Jen Mauer write about here on MIA.
Thanks again Chrys!
Seth, I don’t believe for a second that psychiatry as a social institution will ever be capable of reforming itself. That would be like the brass at the pentagon and the majority of those in the military industrial complex becoming pacifist Quakers. I believe that ultimately parents and the loved ones of children who are being or have been harmed by psychiatric labels and psych meds, will rebel in large enough numbers to create a wave of political opposition that will forcibly restrict the mistreatment of children and teens via legislation. Young activists like the one I imagine speaking out at the end of my article who were diagnosed bipolar as toddlers and put on antipsychotics, will also be a powerful voice that sways the public against the excesses of psychiatry. Many of us here at MIA are advocates for children’s safety too. Thanks for your comment Seth!
Best wishes, Michael
I agree with Duane about the great value of your posts Phillip!
I hope you will write something here soon about the very recent dramatic news that the Trinity College of Dublin research group claims to have found a gene mutation in blood samples, that increases the likelihood tenfold of developing either so-called schizophrenia or bi-polar disorder.
What struck me as possibly formidable evidence, was the 25,000 person sample size they claim to have used to replicate their original results.
I imagine some in psychiatry are viewing this research success as finally finding proof of the genetic holy grail, if not the discovery of the map to where it exists.
Michael Cornwall
In May of 2012 I wrote an essay here on MIA called- “The Big Chill: Psychiatric Drugs Are Now on Trial For Murder,”- that told of a recent murder trial verdict where Prozac was ruled by the judge to be the sole cause of a homicide. Peter Breggin’s testimony convinced the court.
It seemed a very logical next step, that soon judges would start finding prescribers accountable for suicides and homicides.
Thank you Juliemadblogger, LisaO, Skyblueslight and Chrys Muirhead for valuably contributing to the discussion here, and for the great links!
Your account of awful treatment by people at your church Julie, made my heart sink that such fear driven behavior by those who should be compassionate, is happening more and more frequently.
LisaO I know you will keep speaking out and fighting for women and human rights as you have for decades!
I hope everyone reads your very powerful new essay on psychiatry and patriarchy Chrys, that you link above.
Thank you Donna for your generous words and reminder that we are all lessened as Donne says when one of us is harmed, lost.
When the tragedy is multiplied so hugely, as a whole segment of the human family is singled out, made a scapegoat, then the outrage and sorrow we feel is often very hard to bear. I’m grateful for you and all of us who join forces here on Madinamerica.
Michael
Thank you Donna for your important contributions to this discussion and the many valuable references you shared with us. I’ll be checking out some of the books and articles you recommend. I agree that we need a very comprehensive approach to oppose the forces that are causing such suffering for so many.
Best wishes, Michael
Hi Pat, good to hear from you! I just sent you an email to your gmail address with some ideas for helping the man in Contra Costa.
Hoping all is well up your way- smiling remembering our time on the Coalition. I love what you wrote above- back in the day we didn’t have to worry about a national data base tracking everyone- now it’s really Big Brother time.
Mike
Thanks for writing Dorothy,
I hope there is a gun free world too someday!
The post 9/11 neo-McCarthyism that is ratcheting up now seems to be asking us and our brothers and sisters-
“Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the potentially dangerous, mental patient second class citizen population?”- Instead of the witch hunt days interrogation question- “Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the communist party?”
Sending love,
Michael
Thank you Dawn- Those are very important questions you raise about the health insurance industry colluding with their customer’s rights being taken away, and the ACA timing.
Good to hear from you my friend.
Michael
Thank you uprising. I hope everyone reads the very important factual information and powerful insights you provided in your comment that expands on what I have written here.
Michael
Thank you Duane! I am sure glad you and your wife survived those awful brushes with death. Your chilling poem by Niemoller above, captures what can be at stake if we don’t get involved when other’s rights are being taken away.
Your brother, Michael
Thank you Ilya.
I am so glad you were at Esalen to bring your heartfelt and inspiring vision of what is possible and supportive of people experiencing extreme states. It’s great to be working with you and other activists in the SF bay area as we plan, propose and pursue funding for the alternative services, that I describe in my response to LisaO’s comment above.
See you at the next Mandala Project planning meeting this Sunday!
Michael
Thanks Brian,
It was great to connect via email today, and to gladly accept the invitation to be a speaker at the Toronto conference.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you John for sharing these great resources about Dick Price- especially your definitive- “Manual of Gestalt Practice in the Tradition of Dick Price.”
You contributed so much to the Esalen gatherings on extreme states these past 2 years, and have been a faithful keeper of the flame of Dick’s work for decades!
Best wishes always,
Michael
That is a very important conclusion Matthew- I do agree with you.
The three of them spent so much time together at Esalen over the years, focusing on how to better serve people in extreme states and evolving their understanding of madness together- but Dick Price never published a book or a journal article.
John Perry used to tell me about the energy and inspired thinking that took place during some of those large gatherings that Price convened- especially during the 1968 summer-long symposium called- “The Value of Psychotic Experience.” I listed some of the people above who were there. As far as I know, Dick Price and the poet Allen Ginsberg were the only people present who had been through extreme states.
I thought of that ratio at last month’s gathering where over 25 of us present had been through extreme states.
Thanks for your great comment Matthew!
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you LisaO for your supportive comment!
There is good news about alternative services to divert young people from the system like Agnews, Esalen, I-Ward, Diabasis and Soteria San Jose used to do – a Soteria in Alaska has been open for some time, and one is opening soon in Vermont, where a Hilltop Recovery Center is already open.
The Parachute program in NY is also happening, using Open Dialogue to divert young people from the system. An “Inner Fire,” off the grid refuge is also being developed in Vermont.
I’m involved in a SF Bay Area group called the Mandala Project, made up of 6 people who have attended the recent Esalen gatherings(and others). We have proposals being put forward for funding on a peer led and staffed 12 bed, 24/7 initial extreme state house like Diabasis/Soteria, and a proposal for a peer respite/harm reduction med tapering house too, for people who have been in the system for some time and want to avoid a hospitalization or get off meds in a residential setting. We have a proposal for a mobile outreach team too. There is a 140 million dollar amount of mental health services money in the California budget for new services that we are applying to draw from.
Thank you again Lisa, for all your activism over many decades, and your invaluable support of me in my vocation dear friend. You are a stalwart comrade in this and other social justice struggles. Your groundbreaking work in Feminism and LGTB rights has touched many lives!
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you again Brother Duane. I’m grateful right now, for you capturing that amazing truth about peace bringers in your recent reflections and sharing it here. I’m told that Price wasn’t bitter about what had been done to him by psychiatry. Like you say, he must have seen the path forward was to not repay injury with hate, but like Mandela, seek to give to others, the love and peace he had been denied.
I’d seen the Mandela quote you shared below a couple of days ago and it really stayed with me. It says to me what I need to hear and daily remember- real freedom is found in the service of others.
Michael
Dear Jen,
Thank you for your encouraging and warmly supportive words!
I hope people check out the Motherbearcan.org site to see how families are being offered a good choice for getting their needs met based on real hope, and an alternative vision that you and Lisbeth and the Mother Bear team have made a tangible reality!
Best wishes, Michael
Hi Sharon,
Thank you for your comment and important question. As I understand it, from conversations years ago with my friend John Weir Perry, the Esalen gatherings that he attended while Dick Price was alive that I mentioned, were invited gatherings that Esalen funded. The 2011 weekend workshop that I organized on extreme states, was a regular Esalen workshop where people signed up for and paid their own way. Both the 2012 and 2013 limited capacity gatherings were funded by a private philanthropic source. I am currently seeking funding for a 2014 Esalen gathering on extreme states. If that funding doesn’t happen, I plan to try and organize a conference at Esalen that anyone can sign up for and pay their own way. If that kind of regular Esalen conference happens, I will donate all of my conference leader stipend to be made available to offset the cost of those who pay to attend.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you for this wonderful and inspiring comment Adrian! I’m very grateful for your friendship, and your courageous and soulful voice.
Best wishes, Michael
Thank you Oli, for sharing this wonderful interview of Dick Price, done by his friend and fellow psychiatric survivor, Wade Hudson.
Best wishes,
Michael
markps2, for you to continue to insist on calling individuals stupid, who take medications, saying that they self lobotomize themselves, is very disrespectful of those individuals who are suffering- it is wrong for you to say that about them.
Michael
Hi markps2, I appreciate much of what you say in your comments, but please don’t refer to people who are suffering in the psychiatric system as stupid, here in this discussion.
thank you, Michael
Thank you Cory,
Human emotional suffering is not pathological as you say, but part of the natural experience in every person’s life.
The psychiatric belief system that names our emotional experiences as symptomatic of a disease is simply not true.
Michael
Thank you Chrys!
You are a fearless voice against oppression. I am glad you have allies there in Scotland- I know the powers that be would like to silence you if they could- united we stand.
Michael
This is a great contribution to the writing here on MIA, Michael.
Thank you for sharing this wise and compelling look into Laing’s process of understanding emotional suffering and how to best respond.
I look forward to your upcoming book on Laing. As far as I am concerned Michael, there is no one teaching us about Laing who has a better knowledge of Laing, both personally and professionally.
Best wishes,
Michael
Thank you Olga!
I believe you are so right- psychiatry will not give up power as it becomes more and more discredited, and is willing to use fear to insure it’s monolithic institutional survival.
The new head of the APA, Dr. Jeffery Lieberman, was shrilly fear mongering, when he recently painted activists like us in the Scientific American as- “Misguided and misleading ideologues and self-promoters who are spreading scientific anarchy.”
We do know for sure that NAMI has made forced community treatment their top national priority for what- almost 20 years?
I can’t help but think that months ago, this photo ID card program in northern California, probably caught the attention of NAMI national headquarters, and plans are being drawn up to replicate it across the country.
In solidarity,
Michael
Thanks Daniel-
I wonder now how anyone can not be in a national data base that law enforcement can access, once they have received a psychiatric diagnosis, since gun violence is being portrayed as being almost synonymous with having a psychiatric diagnosis.
There is enormous political pressure on every level of the mental health system, to be able to prevent more mass shootings via early identification of supposed dangerous, diagnosed people.
One in four women in America are now on psych meds, and one in five of the total population are on psych meds.
Every psych med prescription requires a DSM diagnosis, that is logged into the computer data base of the public or private insurance provider in order to document the criteria for reimbursement.
Moving to Colorado isn’t a way anymore to get out of the data base, that I hope hasn’t already turned into a ‘mental patient’ watch list.
Best wishes Daniel!
Michael
Thank you again Copy_cat for bringing revealing NAMI information forward. There could have been no forced community treatment laws without the political action of NAMI.
NAMI, with pharma and psychiatry’s backing became, and still is, seen by the media and elected officials, as the “human face” of so-called mental illness in the US.
Michael
Thank you Tina. I agree, having to assure or prove to police, that we are under the control of another arm of social control, the MH system- as a way to not be mistreated or possibly harmed is a very wrong. It feels like a violation of basic human liberty and dignity. Must we bow our heads and say- “I am no threat, I have submitted to the power and dominance of the state.”
Michael
Thank you Dan. I wish police, family members and caregivers were all trained in emotional CPR. You and NEC are a constant source of light in what seems to me, a gathering darkness.
Best of wishes my friend,
Michael
Thank you for this comment Rossa. I am still amazed that many NAMI parents don’t connect the dots and see that the system itself is often injuring their loved ones. But since NAMI parents have chosen to believe the psychiatric brain disease dogma, it seems they are locked into defending the very medical model practices, that can often trap and hurt their loved ones for a lifetime.
Michael
I have to admit warmac, that this white card program feels to me like a kind of smiling, friendly fascist social engineering expression, of the broader state sanctioned psychiatric project of deviance control, that says to it’s casualties- “Please understand, we are doing this to you for your own good, and the greater good and safety of society.”
Thank you for your comment, and Niemoller’s haunting quote.
Michael
Thank you Faith, for your as usual, very thoughtful sharing. I feel unsettled too, about what this white card program portends. I felt a strange urgency about getting the word out about it. I think that comes from being afraid that the general public will not see anything wrong with it, just as they don’t about forced community treatment.
Best of wishes,
Michael
Thank you for saying this John. The explicit message is that someone is a potential danger to the community because of their medically, DSM defined brain disease.
Once again, legal authority, backed by law and the courts, and embodied by our police, bow to the clinical arbiters of psychiatry.
Michael
Thank you Steve- Everyone I have told about this photo ID card project has expressed a negative reaction to it- “creepy” is often part of what they say.
Michael
Steven, I’m not sure what the average stay was- probably between 1 and 2 months. I served at a similar med free sanctuary called IWard that was open in the east bay when Diabasis was open in San Francisco. I wrote an article about IWard here on madinamerica that you might be interested in titled- “Remembering a medication-free madness sanctuary.”
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you Steven! I think the only way you can get the article by Perry now is via eBay where the Magical Blend issue from 1991-1992 is for sale.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Daiphanous Weeping, thanks for your thought provoking comments and link to the video above!
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Sam, many college or university libraries have JHP journals- or becoming a member of the Association for Humanistic Psychology comes with a subscription to the JHP.
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Hi Sam, I’m very sorry I haven’t been available to read or help you with your very important book that shares so much about you and your wife’s healing journey. I’m working so much on a book myself, that I don’t see me being available for many months this year. You might try contacting editorial folks here at MIA, especially those who work on the MIA family initiative. Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you again Birdsong!
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Thank you Birdsong! Yes, receiving merciful love is a deep human need, that when met can help us not enter into extreme emotional suffering- and it can also help relieve our intense emotional suffering if it happens.
Best wishes, Michael
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Steve I believe there is a deep and abiding need in our male dominator, top down, social Darwinism culture to have a cadre of people tasked with the control of deviance from the entrenched, reactionary societal values and norms, about the open expression of emotion. The 25,000 psychiatrists gladly and lucratively have claimed that role. Psychiatry couldn’t exist as a grossly failed medical specialty that actually kills it’s patients if it wasn’t serving a very basic but inhumane, warped need of society. When Jay got disruptive at college they locked him up and shut him up.
When 5 year old Mary throws tantrums she is medicated and shut up.
Of course Pharma and the guild interests of psychiatry, and corrupt research of academia all collude with this oppression out of self interest. Our class system and economic system require punctual, quiet workers to punch in and be good employees.
So, those who go to far with their anger or sadness or fear get sent to HR or get fired or get meds to stay on the job. It’s dystopian and it’s only getting more chaotic everyday, because as the prophetic Yeats said- “The center will not hold.”
To that, Psychiatry smiles it’s friendly fascist smile and says- “No, we got this- just increase the daily dose until compliance and silence are restored.”
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Steve I’ve never believed psychiatry is a legitimate medical specialty because it’s false underlying disease model theoretical paradigm is based on a scientifically unproven big lie, as I described here on MIA in my article- “Eyewitness to psychiatry functioning as a conspiracy theory based cult.” My article is based on my 28 years working as a PhD level licensed psychotherapist alongside psychiatrists everyday in the public mental health sector.
But to your question above, with me not equating victims of psychiatry whose concocted diagnoses like schizophrenia and bipolar are not because of a truly physical illness like cancer- just imagine if the patients treated by the medical specialty of oncology had a 25 year earlier death rate than cancer patients who never had seen a cancer specialist and received chemo, radiation, surgery etc.?
The headline would read- “If you get treated for cancer, you’ll die 25 years earlier than other folks with cancer who got no treatment.”
In the year before he died, as his body was increasingly racked with multiple physical medical conditions that he believed had been caused by his nonstop injurious shock treatments and forced injections of massive doses of haldol for many months in the psychiatric hospital, Jay Mahler told me- “Michael, I really didn’t want to die prematurely, to be a statistic fatality of what psychiatry did to me.”
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Steve, last year I wrote a memorial article here about my good friend Jay Mahler who was a psychiatric survivor and human rights activist. He had survived shock treatments that were so harmful that he couldn’t remember his own name for a long time. Psychiatry is a failed medical specialty that injures those it claims to help- it’s “treatments” cause victims to die decades before the national average as you know. Jay told me that he believed the injuries he received from psychiatry contributed to his early death.
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David Healy is a world renowned advocate for and practitioner of brain damaging shock treatment. He claims that- “ECT is the most effective treatment for severe depressive disorder.”
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Thank you very much for the encouraging words nickdrury!
Best wishes, Michael
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Sam Ruck, thank you for writing. Yes, I do agree with Bateson’s supportive words for Diabasis.
I’ll be on sabbatical until approximately the beginning of July. Please contact me then via my michaelcornwall.com site if you want to share about helping your wife so importantly.
Best wishes, Michael
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BigPictureAwareness, thanks again for writing. I agree that all extreme states are purposive and necessary when they emerge unbidden in our lives.. Diabasis showed how holding that belief, negated our cultural blindness that sees such natural human, potentially transformative experiences as pathological.
Best wishes, Michael
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Ritalin and Adderall are classified as schedule 2 dangerous drugs with high risk of addiction. Cocaine, Meth, OxyContin and Fentanyl are also class 2 schedule drugs.
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Any way you cut, philosophy it, relativize it, deny it, ignore it, define it or justify it, it is child abuse. And let’s get real- the pills are purchased and dispensed by parents. But they, the pharmacist, the drug store, the prescriber, the wholesaler, the manufacturer and every politician that voted for laws protecting all of the above are complicit- as are the citizens of our society that voted for those politicians who make the laws that allow and make possible the child abuse. The horror show fact is that our society wants everyone, toddlers included to stop expressing anger, fear, sadness or any emotion beyond a proscribed intensity. Because if the emotions you or the toddler feels are expressed in ways that make people too uncomfortable, a DSM diagnosis and some emotion numbing and silencing drugs are going to be required.
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Thank you Bob for this totally damning article. For over 40 years I’ve practiced as a licensed therapist serving children and families. I’ve never diagnosed a child, teen or adult with ADHD, or referred them for meds. 28 of those years I worked full time in a large public sector mental health system. The question your article begs is- if ADHD isn’t what psychiatry says it is, then what is it? Bob, you know that is the same question I’ve been posing about extreme states for decades. In every instance children( including pre-schoolers) that have seen me who were subjectively experiencing and expressing emotional distress that could have been labeled ADHD and drugged, were clearly causalities of what John Read has proven are adverse childhood experiences.
Since for pre-schoolers that means those adverse experiences occurred almost exclusively in the family home, then the answer to what gets labeled ADHD is a psycho-social impact that extends out to the toxic social matrix that houses all our families and crushes many families into super stressful, traumatic environments for young children.
Both academic and practicing psychiatrists have failed both the scientific rigor and moral test of discovering what is in full view.
Children, teens, adults and seniors all are causualties of our loveless and morally bankrupt society. Because Bob, as old NIMH chief Thomas Insel proclaimed a few years ago that got him excoriated by his fellow psychiatrists- when ANYONE comes in for treatment there will be no medical diagnostic tests done to verify the label given to them- no blood test, no X-ray, no brain scan, no genetic test- no just a pathetic somber search through the pages of the bogus DSM for a label- And this “best practice” done even to toddlers by a failed medical specialty where patients die 25 years earlier that the average.
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Paula was a true force of nature- and her life force was aimed at relieving human suffering in all it’s forms. Her indelible imprint on our lives and her generation will last far into the future lives of coming generations, because the universal message she brought of justice and compassion was so clear and powerful.
I gratefully got to know her through inviting her to write an article for the Journal of Humanistic Psychology on extreme states.
Her article- “Another damaging use of the “Schizophrenia” label…and what seemed about to help” was published in December. Paula shared about being with a young person who was labeled, and how she brought her caring and listening to their time together. During many phone conversations I felt her strong presence and unwavering commitment to both fight the dehumanizing power of psychiatry while at the same time be a source of healing to the victims of psychiatric injury.
My deep condolences to her family, loved ones and friends.
Michael
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Thank you dear Dina, for sharing the wonderful interview that you and Will recently did with Jay. I hope many people listen and are inspired by Jay as you and I have so gratefully been.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you for Sam, your very supportive comment.
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Thank you Rosalee, for your very caring comment.
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Thank you very much Maddie, for your great comment and sharing your very important research. Those 2 quotes by Jay about him not being co-opted and the value of working to change the system from the inside out for the sake of those countless people still trapped and dying in it, are very relevant and true I believe. Jay and many of us activists who stayed inside the belly of the beast for decades, fighting for the rights of those suffering from within, also were just as active at leveraging all of the levels of exterior political power to both stop psychiatric abuse and to build humanistic alternatives based on compassion, and the value of inclusion of survivors and others with lived experience.
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Thank you J for writing. Jay worked up to the last days of his life to help people avoid, heal or escape the harm inflicted by psychiatry.
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BigPictureAwareness, yes I remember the wonderful Aussie from Esalen! Interesting synchronicity today. Thanks for the links to Wouter Kusters and the earth rotation. Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you Someone Else. It still breaks my heart too. I know Jay’s loved ones and family would appreciate your heartfelt words about him and your condolences.
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Thank you Dorothy. I was very glad to be with you and Jay and many activists at the memorable gathering at Esalen years ago.
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Hi Bob, in my MIA article- “Remembering a medication-free madness sanctuary” I share about I ward, the 20 med medication free first episode extreme states/psychosis program that served hundreds of people for 8 years! I worked there as therapist for several years. It replicated the same hugely successful results of the NIMH Agnews Project, the gold standard randomly assigned, double blind first episode research, where at 3 year follow up the large cohort of people who got placebo vs those who got Thorazine had a 70 percent lower re-hospitalization rate. Iward was opened as a public sector system diversion program based on the powerful Agnews med-free efficacy results. At the same time, Diabasis House, Jungian John Weir Perry’s San Francisco based program was opened too, based on the Agnew’s results. I did my doctoral follow-up research on Diabasis. Soteria house was also open here in the SF Bay Area then. Loren Mosher’s work there also proved that a non-medication, non pathologizing approach to extreme states works!
So, as you know I’ve long shared your frustration that mainstream psychiatry has always rejected the facts before their very eyes, that non-medication, humanistic oriented alternative services for people in extreme states can and has been proven to be effective as the Harrow research also proves.
The big disease model lie that human emotional suffering is caused by a bio-genetic broken brain is what props up psychiatry- and as my latest MIA article shows, that lie is unshakable from within the psychiatric echo-chamber. My article is- “Eyewitness to Psychiatry functioning as a conspiracy theory based cult.”
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Many thanks to all who have commented and expressed your reactions to my article.
Best wishes,
Michael Cornwall
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Hi Craig, thank you for your comment! Yes, as I mentioned in my article above, Dr. John Weir Perry shared Jung’s very personal dream work story about Jung’s mother-in-law with me, that Jung had confidentiality shared with John in Zurich in the late 1940’s. Jung had known Perry since the early 1930’s and had written the forward to Perry’s classic 1950 book- “The Self in Psychotic Process.” I did my doctoral research follow-up study on John’s medication-free extreme state sanctuary- Diabasis House, and we were friends for about 20 years. I wonder if Emma’s mother was symbolized in Jung’s recurrent nightmares of a menacing dragon because he knew that she was enraged with Jung for openly having an affair with ex-patient Toni Wolfe while Jung was married to her daughter Emma!
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Hi River, in my experience because everyone has such different needs as they attempt to be a caregiver for people in emotional suffering, I don’t really have advice, but I’ll share a bit of what I’ve needed and still need.
For me, feeling merciful love for myself without negating that crucial love with toxic guilt and shame for my human failings and limitations, is needed. I also need to risk pursuing deep connection with people who can really love me. I need to reach out to every source of sacred, benevolent, loving and healing energy that I can find to sustain me. I need to closely embrace the terrifying fact that my next breath may be my last. I need to be like a soldier whose paradoxically liberating minute by minute duty is to protect and love me and mine, while facing the fact that my next breath may be my last.
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Thank you Peter, for sharing such a valuable message of heartfelt caring! Reading it brought feelings of reassurance and hope, that it’s possible to begin to relieve the suffering of trauma and alienation we all experience in varying intensity in life, through claiming our right to feel the healing presence of self-love and love for others. You have for decades fought against the incredible harm done by the failed institution of psychiatry and the human rights violations of inflicting ECT, psychosurgery, brain damaging drugs and pathologizing labels on countless people.
But during all those years of fighting the harm done by psychiatry, you also held out and practiced the alternative vision of caregivers offering empathic and compassionate support for people in emotional pain and suffering.
Thank you my friend for your tireless commitment to both protecting and loving countless people, as your vocation continues to shine in this article here and now.
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Thank you Rosalee, for your comment and encouraging support!
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Hi Bob,
What stands out very strongly for me in Zel’s story is him asking you- “how do you think I felt?”… about being diagnosed and drugged- and him saying- “no one ever asked or ever seemed interested in how I really felt” about being sexually abused and traumatized as a child and labeled as schizophrenic- and- “ no one ever asked how I felt about being fed drugs.”
As a therapist whose primary commitment is always to provide a safe relationship where all such feelings can be expressed and received with compassion, I’ve served many people with very similar histories as Zels for 40 years. It is so tragic that in the last days of his life he still was asking for someone to listen to and receive his feelings, his emotional pain- emotional pain that kept being multiplied by the injurious human rights abuses of psychiatry, but by his own report, emotional pain that never was sufficiently received with compassion.
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Thanks for writing here Scuffed Analyst!
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Thank you All for commenting above.
Best wishes,
Michael Cornwall
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I was blessed to know dear Julie through personal phone conversations and correspondence. She was such a truly caring person and champion of human rights. What a loss to us all.
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Bob, I’m glad to be one of the presenters in the upcoming MIA system change webinar. Reading your blog post question about the possibility of remaking psychiatric care, I remembered a conference 7-8 years ago in North Carolina where you spoke after being on the road for months talking about the issues with leading psychiatrists that you raised in your book “Anatomy of an Epidemic.” As I recall, you said you were exhausted and discouraged- that you were possibly reaching the painful conclusion that even the most prominent psychiatrists from some of the most prestigious universities that you’d interacted with, were seemingly not capable of the basic intellectual and ethical honesty necessary to even consider the validity of any serious questioning or challenging of their entrenched belief system.
I must say, I remember I said to myself as you spoke – “I’m sorry Bob had to spend so much time and energy to discover that god-awful reality!”
I’m grateful to you and everyone here who struggles for compassionate caring for all who are suffering within and without of the psychiatric system.
I started my struggle with the psychiatric disease model in the 1970s and at some point realized the only way I could keep it up was to absolutely believe revolutionary change was possible as I’d experienced at Iward, knowing Mosher of Soteria and working with Perry of Diabasis while at the very same time accepting that things would very likely only get worse- but that each day I’d just fight to the best of my ability until they threw dirt in my face.
In solidarity, Michael
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Thank you Fr. John, for your very informative comment. The FDA press release on the Monarch eTNS device cited in our article also states that the electrical current reaches the part of the brain “associated with ADHD.” I don’t believe there is such an area of the brain, but the FDA confirms that the electrical current is penetrating into the brain. I don’t believe in the validity of DSM diagnoses such as ADHD or in the psychiatric disease model of human emotional and spiritual suffering.
Dr. Breggin and I share your concern that harm to the developing brains of children won’t be proven until after the damage has been done. However the reported “side effects” to children in the very small, non replicated research study are headache, sleep disturbance, jaw clenching, and fatigue. These effects already point to potential harm being done to the frontal brains of children according to Dr. Breggin.
I’m reminded of RD Laing warning that-
“The so-called side effects of psychiatric drugs aren’t side effects. They are the damaging effects!”
The Monarch eTNS “side effects” should not be downplayed either.
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Great point Jim! It’s an important question you raise about why so many caregivers defensively shield themselves from the emotional pain of those who have turned to them for solace and compassion.
The fact that such clinical emotional distancing is what caregivers are taught to do in grad school, is also very telling about how the whole profession is built on the rigid belief system that claims that the emotional pain and suffering of “patients” is qualitatively different than the emotional suffering that the clinicians experience in their very human lives. I’ve personally known dozens of mental health professionals during the last 40 years and their pain is the same!
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Thank you for writing April!
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Thank you for your very important comment Jo Ann Cook. I’ll be doing a webinar here on MIA on November 19th, about helping children, teens and parents in distress via counseling, that can empower them to avoid accepting psychiatric diagnoses and to also oppose medications being prescribed for children and teens, as they all resist the pressure you describe by school staff, child psychiatrists and other prescribers.
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Hi 30-watt-lightbulb, thank you for your comment. Dr. Breggin recommended you check out the “Anti-depressant drug scientific resource section” on his Breggin.com website for access to articles on AD drugs and children.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you to everyone who commented above and contributed to this discussion.
I’m glad to see when doing a Google search for Monarch eTNS, that this MIA blog article is on the first, main Google search page. I hope people who are urged by prescribers to put one of these electrical devices on their children’s heads all night long, will see our blog article here on the psychiatric abuses of children, if they search Google for information on the new FDA approved Monarch eTNS device.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you Miranda, for this really valuable article! It shows how much the decades of the psychiatric, NAMI and drug company propaganda about the chemical imbalance lie, and that psych drugs are the cure, have influenced the full media spectrum, and all areas of our lives.
Even Rolling Stone is promoting psychiatric drugs!
I hope you can get your article to Copper, Cuomo and the editors of the other media outlets too.
Michael
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Thank you Catalytz for your encouraging words and for the link to the valuable article on brain anatomy and the drawbacks of using imagining scans.
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Thank you for your comment Julie!
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Hi Rachel and Steve- yes it’s cronyism and rampant big business power over government. The FDA Chief Gottlieb had formerly been a partner at a leading venture capital firm, and the HHS Chief Azar, who oversees the FDA had been a pharmaceutical company executive and lobbyist.
So much for draining the swamp!
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Hi mental, I’ve been active as a human rights activist fighting against the human rights abuses of children and people of all ages inflicted by psychiatry, for over 40 years. To read about my own harrowing lived experience of extreme states, I have an article here on Madinamerica called- “Initiatory Madness.”
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Thank you JeffreyC! I hope your powerful comment is read by many people here.
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Thank you for your strong comment Pauline!
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Thank you mwatkins55 for importantly sharing about your eye opening time as a medical student at an adolescent clinic. I wish I knew of a progressive national parent support organization that is an alternative to the ubiquitous NAMI presence. Maybe a reader here will have and share such information. The public system I worked at in the SF Bay Area had some good parent groups that were helpful and not stigmatizing.
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Thank you Stephen- I think the FDA corruption also has to do with both the FDA Chief Gottlieb, and his superior Azar at HHS were previously pharmaceutical industry executives and lobbyists.
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Thank you Stephen- I think the FDA corruption also has to do with both the FDA Chief Gottlieb, and his superior Azar at HHS were pharmaceutical industry executives and lobbyists.
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Thank you Steve. Good point about the iatrogenic public health crisis. Going to grade school and beyond in the 50’s seems almost idyllic compared to what it’s become the past 30 years, as social and economic stresses have coincided with the rise of psychiatry and DSM pathologizing of childhood and adult behavior. The enormously successful and sinister business plan of the drug companies to supply drugs to every living creature if possible has brought us here now where this electric brain device is approved by the FDA without a moment’s compunction.
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Thank you Rosalee!
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Yes, 30-watt-lightbulb! I often wish the people who come up with and prescribe these harmful “treatments” and medications would have to endure them themselves and see how it feels.
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Very Good point dmshanin83!
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Thank you for writing Ann and telling of your experience as a Special Education teacher.
Yes, the language in the FDA press release sounds like it’s a promo written by a PR firm.
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Thank you Gerard!
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Thank you for your important comment and the link Someone Else!
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Thank you for weighing in PacificDawn!
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Thank you for your important comment Berta! For sure, revolutionary change in our external society and broader culture is as necessary as is inner healing.
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You’re welcome!
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Hi Ellabelle,
I think Steve McCrea’s answer about trauma is a good one.
Yes, I use the term extreme states as it refers to what gets called Psychosis, but I mention that the qualities of emotional, spiritual, soul-depth, archetypal and existential suffering can be active during extreme states too. Many times people in extreme states are experiencing the immense sadness and/or overwhelming anxiety that you mentioned too.
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Thank you Rosalee!
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Hi Alex, in my experience the trauma and emotional wounds from my past that caused the intense suffering of my extreme states over 50 years ago, still vulnerably live deep inside me, and can be activated if I’m not careful to focus on what and who I need and allow in my life, and to also focus on what and who I don’t need and won’t allow in my life.
That process may be similar to what you’re saying about coming into the present.
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Thank you for your comment CatNight. I was able to always be an outspoken activist while working inside the system for 28 years as a dissident therapist. We had a strong group of us who had our own lived experience of extreme states that constantly fought against psychiatric power and NAMI political power- and we often succeeded in getting peer run services funded. We also got a civil service employee, peer counselor job class enacted in the 1990’s that was fully in the union with full benefits. Many of those original peer staff who were the true leaven that served to really transform the system from the inside out, have now been retiring with a full pension and benefits as new peer staff come on board.
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Thank you for writing Laura, it’s great to hear from you my friend! I’ve read many of the wise and inspiring, essays on healing trauma that you’ve written on your wonderful blog site. Please share a link to your site here if that feels right to you.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Hi adikanda, I’m sorry but my initial reply to your comment several hours ago got stuck in moderation because I corrected a typo. I hope it’s posted soon. I very much appreciate what you’ve written above.
Sincerely, Michael
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Hi adikanda, thank you for writing and raising the question about the section in my article linked above- “Remembering a medication-free madness sanctuary” where I recounted my experiences doing family therapy in 1981 with young adults experiencing extreme states for the first time at the I-Ward sanctuary. I described how I was trying to figure out how the larger toxic social matrix impacts families ala RD Laing, as I talked about how I believed if one parent could bring an unshakable love forward for their struggling young adult, then that could be enough to help them weather the storm into young adulthood. But then I also wrote-
“Freud said that ‘nothing is more important for the healthy development of a child than the loving and protective presence of their father.’ At least one parent needs to be there and hold the child in their heart as the apple of their eye. Even then, the lack of the other parent’s love can be a big enough wound that the developmental hurdle of young adulthood requires that madness to occur.”
Your life-long devoted love for your son is very present in your powerful comment above.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Hi Cathy- that’s a very important question, thank you. I’ve been with many people years after their period of extreme states who naturally are still traumatized by the often terrifying and demoralizing ordeal they went through. Often then, them focusing on what their emotions are now about their previous intense extreme states and what caused them, and how they were often mistreated when they got “professional treatment”- plus it’s valuable for them to see how their current dreams are providing deeper understanding of possible integration of extreme state trauma, and how even a deep healing in the psyche can emerge.
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Thank you Annette for your very moving sharing. I’m so glad you found what you needed at Open Dialogue to be free! Best of wishes for everyday of your journey forward.
Michael
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Thank you Marsha- me too!
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Hi rasselas.redux- in the article I briefly describe what I think an extreme state might be- “complex multi-dimensional human emotional, archetypal and spiritual suffering”- That’s based on my own experience of such states and from time spent with people. There’s a link above too to my Diabasis House research where I explore your important question “what is an extreme state” in much more depth. An MIA article called “Responding to madness with loving receptivity- a practical guide” also focuses on how I view extreme states.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you again Alex! Good to hear from you as always. Your faith is inspiring. I hope you’re right that light and love are capable of ultimately being more powerful than their polar opposites-
More powerful for both healing individual people and for stopping the mass destruction movements of war and every kind of planetary destruction that seem to threaten life on earth.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you again Krista! I’m very glad you survived the anaphylaxis. I hope many people read your comment that reveals the ethical and legal psychiatric wasteland you challenged. It made me think that the medical oath and credo first principle- “First do no harm” should in truth be- “First protect your license and your deep pockets!”
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Dear Fiachra, I agree. The “system” in place has failed and is injurious instead of helpful.
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Thank you Krista for your encouraging words. I’m glad you escaped the gladiator-school and that bitterness isn’t with you. Best of wishes for the days ahead.
Michael
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Yes, madmom. To me some days it’s more palpable than others.
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Thank you so much Rosalee!
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Thank you again Bippyone. I think Steve’s suggestion sounds good too. I hope they stop messing with your meds as you say, and that you are released soon. Best of wishes,
Michael
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You’re welcome Dannytheworld- thanks for reading it and for your comment!
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Thank you kindredspirit for the book on empathy recommendation- it sounds very interesting!
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Thank you for writing Bradford! I agree with your important point about broadening our view about the complex dynamics we’re discussing.
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Thank you for writing JanCarol!
Come to think of it from what you wrote, maybe when empathy occurs and “the whole person he was sensing” happens- “but there was cruelty not compassion in response,” it sheds light on how multi-functional empathy may actually be for humans. Maybe because the capacity for empathy doesn’t restrict empathy to be limited to only being followed by compassion, there has been even a human evolutionary value to having been able to quite quickly sense where “the whole person” right in front of us “lives inside.” Are they dangerous? Do they come in peace? Are they hiding something?
Tuning into the full person right in front of us empathically- their emotional micro-expressions, eyes, body language, voice and the meanings being expressed via their uttered words, all are registering and being weighed.
How we respond to all we empathically learn is not narrowly limited just to compassion.
Maybe that’s not unfortunate as I said in my article, because at times empathically sensing where a person may “live inside” may give us the knowledge we need to run for cover!
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Thanks for your comment Rosalee! I remember now that I actually wrote an article here on MIA in 2014 that’s titled- “What’s wrong with you? Nothing. What’s happened to you? Something.”
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mik, I’m very sorry your shrink was not there for you in the caring, related and compassionate way that he should have been.
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Thank you Bippyone, and for your important comments below.
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Thank you for your comment Danzig666.
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Thank you again BigPictureAwareness for your wonderful comment. I’m glad you shared about how valuable the Polyvagal Theory can be in understanding and heightening the processs of inner knowing and empathy.
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Hi Judi. Thank you for your powerful comment.
So many times over the decades I’ve had people describe their initial immersion into the psychiatric disease model gulag and how the deepest core of their naive and innocent selves was veritably transformed. They described a gradual indoctrination into a new form of social and self-identification being systematically created around them in their transformed world as a “mental patient” and also intensley inside them as the almost seamless and inescapable “grooming process” as you say, begins, advances and succeeds.
I tried to shed some light on this insidious and ritualistic process in my MIA article- “Does the psychiatric disgnosis process act as a degradation ceremony?” Another article focuses there too- “Does a psychiatric diagnosis have the impact of a medical curse?”
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I agree Steve! Thanks for your comment.
I tried to describe part of the dynamic you’re importantly highlighting when I gave examples of how psychiatric dogma-bound mental health professionals use their empathy skills to get insight into a person’s emotinal experiences, so that they can then diagnose/label and “treat” that person according to the clinician’s distorted psychiatric disease model belief system. In that closed echo chamber trap as you say, the clinician can not have real caring and compassion because treatment compliance is demanded based on the clinicians self-anointed superior status of professional, unquestionable authority to diagnose and insist on drug treatment, or other potentially invasive or forced treatment.
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Hi Rachel777, thanks for your comment!
Since empathy is defined as “Having the ability to share someone else’s feelings or experiences by imagining what it would be like to be in that person’s situation,” then feeling empathy can be both the necessary prerequisite for then feeling caring and compassion, but empathy also can be used to tune into another person’s inner experience in order to gain knowledge about them that can be used to manipulate or exploit them without feeling caring or compassion for them.
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Thank you again BigPictureAwareness for your wonderful comment contribution and for the great info on the new Peter Kingsley book on Jung!
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Thank you too Alex! Yes, as you say so importantly, the multiplying, cumulative trauma that’s fueled by the clinician’s own emotion avoidant projections and projective identifications, plus the whole monolithic presence of the psychiatric disease model “treatment” system of denying and silencing emotion with medications- can easily crush the life and spirit of anyone-
Until they are almost against all odds able to escape the trap.
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Thank you again Alex, for your great comment! I’ve long believed that the whole edifice of the psychiatric disease model of human emotional suffering was and is a massive cultural creation constructed to defend against the truthful emotional expression of individuals of every age in our society. Our culture fears emotional truth so much that we’ve tasked, co-created and funded the psychiatritric disease model to legitimize the control of every citizen’s subjective truth. That control is always exerted in the name of doing what’s best for the “deviating” emotion expressing person in our midst.
In this light, all those clinical assessments, diagnoses and forced or imposed “treatments” are as you say, fueled by the objectifying projections that places pathology “out there”- residing in the person suffering emotional pain.
The same unacknoledged unconscious inner fear that prompts a politician to induce fear in others via projective identification, also prompts the diagnosing “mental health” clinician to need to have the emotionally suffering person in front of them to embody the clinician’s fear of their own emotional suffering, so the clinician can safely go on telling themselves that they are beyond ever feeling the emotional pain that they diagnose in others.
I remember in grad school when a professor defensively responded to me in front of the class after I’d suggested that I believed that any one could end up in an extreme state if a threshold of trauma and loss occurred to them. The professor declared- “Michael, I could never become psychotic no matter what ever happened to me! I have completed a rigorous training analysis and my ego strength is now developed to the point where I’m impervious to ever becoming overwhelmed as you are claiming is possible for anyone!”
The whole class turned and looked at me, waiting for my answer.
I said- “ For your sake, I hope that’s true.”
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Thank you for your comment Julie! It’s wonderful to hear about the empathy and patience you have with your customers.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thanks for your comment BigPicture Awareness! Your great included quotes about perception and reality remind me of one by Orwell- “To see what is in front of one’s nose requires a constant struggle.”
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Thank you for writing boans. It does feel to me like the soundtrack to our lives these days is made up of a whole chorus of both manipulative unconscious projective identifications as I noted, plus a constant stream of very conscious and intentionally produced political propaganda aimed our way from every part of the political spectrum imaginable.
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Thank you for writing John. It’s very sad in my experience when people in our families and personal lives burn the bridges with us through their continued traumatizing cruelty that they won’t or can’t stop doing.
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Thank you Fiachra!
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Thank you for your comment Alex. Yes, “speaking the truth of our heart” is so important!
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Thank you ParaPatty!
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Thank you RightsRNotWrong for your hugely needed civil rights work for people in the mental health system in California and for your clarifying comment here about Laura’s Law AOT in California. The various Sf Bay Area counties that have chosen the Laura’s Law court ordered out-patient treatment option have gone through lengthy struggles between NAMI led activists and opponents like my friend Jay Mahler who you might know, and the very large group of people in Alameda County that includes Berkeley and Oakland for example, who fought against AOT.
In my MIA article called- “Why Invountary Out-Patient Treatment Isn’t Necessary: A First Person Account”- I cite a N.Y. Times article on Kendra’s Law that Laura’s Law was fashioned after. In the N.Y. times article a relative of a person in the mental health system AOT program is quoted- “Now with Kendra’s Law, the police take him to get his monthly shot of Haldol and he’s pretty stable.”
I understand that the Laura’s Law AOT treatment plans that I assume would always incude medications as part of the plan, are also drawn up as part of the AOT court order.
Would it require a Riese hearing or a community conservatorship process of the person under the AOT court order to allow the court to have the police involved as in the New York example?
I think that the “black robe” effect, and being under a court order that includes the AOT treatment plan can also be a form of pressure and coercion on a vulnerable person in the MH system.
Complying with an AOT treatment plan that includes new digital Abilify will no doubt be something that will be expected if not forced on people to avoid hospitalization in the future.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thanks for your comment Richard.
Under President Obama, the FDA rejected the original digital Abilify approval application based on safety concerns. But in May, 2017 the drug makers reapplied- and now have received FDA approval.
One of the promises President Trump made in his campaign was to loosen federal regulatory oversight at the EPA and other agencies.
I believe that the institution of Psychiatry evolved, exists and is tasked to control personal and societal deviance while making a handsome living for the 25,000 MD’s who are psychiatrists.
Abilify has been the most profitable drug on the market for it’s makers and company shareholders.
In the coming days we will see Big Brother and Big Business become even more tightly joined at the hip.
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Thank you very much Fiachra, for sharing this extensive documentation about the harmful effects that Abilify causes for many people.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you for your important comment YetAnotherAccount. I’m very sorry for all you’ve been through, and glad to hear you’re finding your way forward.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you Patrice for giving your invaluable, compassionate advice to loved ones and family members who struggle and are impacted as they are also enveloped, as you say, by the psychiatric curse that greatly is harming their beloved ones as happened to your brother. Sending prayers and condolences for you and your family. I’m so sorry you lost your dear brother.
I hope many people read your comment.
In solidarity dear friend,
Michael
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Thank you Welton for sharing some of your very powerful personal story!
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you Welton for sharing the great Thomas Szasz quote.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you for writing Steve- Matt surely was a uniquely passionate and brave voice. He will be greatly missed as you say.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you CatNight for your moving and very important comment.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Hi Slaying the Dragon of Psychistry, Thank you for sharing that powerful CS Lewis quote.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you for your important comment streetphotobeing and for the 2 video links. The first video was awful as the psychiatrist compared his “patients” to pigs!
Best wishes,
Michael
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Hi Chrys, thank you for your comment. I’m so happy to hear from you and to learn of your news and of your family!
You’ve always been one of the bravest of advocates and I’m always inspired by you.
Best of wishes my friend,
Michael
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Lawrence, the 40 plus psychiatrists that I knew and worked along side as a dissident therapist at several different clinical locations within a large public sector mental health system for 28 years, were not in it for the money. They were not motivated by greed as you have suggested. They all could have made probably double their civil service salaries in private practice or other private psychiatric settings. Many of them had gone to some of the best medical schools in the country. They weren’t slouches. Many had been in the Peace Corps or served as Doctors Without Borders physicians on their vacation times. But all of them but one, had totally bought the psychiatric disease model of human emotional suffering, which was reinforced constantly for decades by the neuroscience stance of the APA and NIMH. But those psychiatrists did, with the best of intentions as altruistic civil servants, harm their patients as I describe in this article by indelibly labeling/medically cursing and harmfully treating their patients based on the true believer ideology of the psychiatric disease model.
Michael
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Olga I’m very sorry to say it, but I learned yesterday that Matt took his life on Thursday.
There will be a memorial here on madinamerica tomorrow I’m told. There is a large group of people who knew Matt on the Facebook group- “Drop the Disorder” who are supporting each other and sending messages to Matt’s family.
Michael
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amnesia, I’m very sorry all those psychiatric labels were forced on you. I see you bravely fighting off the impact of them.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you for your comments Fiachra.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Lawrence I believe the self interest factor is very big, but the dozens of psychiatrists I worked alongside everyday for almost 30 years also really believed in the disease model of human emotinal suffering they had been taught and that’s daily reinforced by the APA, NIMH and drug companies.
That HMO child psychiatrist who recently held up the plastic brain model to show the child and mother where the child’s so-called ADHD brain was malfunctioning actually believed that lie!
It’s more than cognitive dissonance at work that creates that false self serving narrative that psychiatrists tell themselves. I believe it is a form of stupidity as it’s defined- “behavior based on a lack of good sense and judgement.”
Psychiatrists have been trained and brainwashed to believe that it’s actually possible that an 2-3 year old toddler’s brain is diseased without any medical test to prove it, and so they diagnose them with ADHD or bipolar and give them psych meds.
That big lie about brain disease is at the heart of neuro-biological psychiatry’s Orwellian existence, and is the supportive foundation for the self interest that follows from it in my view.
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Great article Lawrence, thank you! You show clearly how heroin and opiate use and abuse/deaths is increased by our child rearing culture that’s been hijacked by the psychiatric disease model of human behavior.
In my recent madinamerica.com article titled- “Why do parents give amphetamines and other risky psychiatric drugs to the children they love?” I recount a parent telling me of a child psychiatrist at a large HMO pulling out a plastic model of a brain to show her and her 5 year old child, by pointing to where the child’s “brain isn’t working right” and then saying Adderal would correct that brain defect.
I do therapy with such parents and children and teens to address emotional distress that psychiatry views as evidence of disease.
My other recent MIA article- “Do Psychiatrists harm their patents out of stupidity?” addresses the underlying problem of psychiatry as a human rights abusing, failed medical specialty that’s based on false premises that have no basis in scientific fact.
Best wishes,
Michael Cornwall PhD
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This is so sad- for researchers with a huge budget who fail to even do a comprehensive literature review. Because the northern California Agnews state hospital project that they overlooked was a NIMH funded gold standard, randomly assigned, double blind first episode psychosis study that is still the largest ever study of its kind. The randomly assigned group that got placebo had a 70 percent lower re-hospitslization rate than the group that got antipsychotic meds. See my MIA article- “Remembering a Medicatuon Free Madness Sanctuary” for a report on Agnews and on the publicly funded IWard 20 bed program that I worked in that used the Agnews results to get funded and stay open for 8 years! We had similar efficacy results.
Loren Mosher of Soteria House founded yet another NIMH funded first episode, medication free psychosis program that had remarkable published research results that equaled Agnews. John Bolla did follow up research on Soteria a few years ago that showed the huge unmet need for such programs.
It’s simple- the majority of people who receive a med free residential place to be during their first experience of extreme states/psychosis are diverted from having the 6 month duration of so called symptoms and miss getting the bogus label of schizophrenia. They are diverted from being in the mental health system for possibly the rest of their lives. My doctoral research was on another California med free first episode program called Diabasis House that got similar results.
Michael Cornwall PhD
Michaelcornwall.com
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Hi All,
Many thanks to everyone who commented and contributed to the lively and very valuable discussion here!
Dozens of people on my Facebook page and in Facebook groups who read my article also shared about the harm and human rights abuses done to them by psychiatry, and about the great need for receiving true compassion during times of suffering and when in need of helpful caring from others.
The article was picked up and featured in the Human Rights section of Evonews.com with a commentary by Dr. Harold Mandel.
Thank you again to everyone here on MIA for the powerful activism that is present here everyday.
Best wishes,
Michael
Michaelcornwall.com
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Ron I’m surprised old friend, that you would imply that some writers, readers and commenters here are coming across as “fanatics making irrational attacks” as you stated in one of your comments above. Isn’t using that kind of name- calling and inflammatory language about critics of psychiatry who may disagree with your positions, much like what we’ve come to expect in some of the rhetoric that Jaffe, Torrey and especially Lieberman used when he publicly called Bob Whitaker a- “Menace to society!”
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Great Arjuna! The site is GnosisRetreatCenter.org
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Hi Ron, thanks again for writing. I believe that when our society tasked and bankrolled and gave psychiatry the legal authority to be the medical specialty to respond to people in emotional distress, that a grave responsibility was accepted by psychiatry- especially in light of every psychiatrist’s solemn physician’s Hippocratic oath to “first do no harm.”
Because of the logical fallacy that the disease model of psychiatry is based on- that there are underlying “physical and organic” disease processes causing the emotional distress that is wrongly described by diagnoses like so-called schizophrenia, then deaths of psychiatric patients treated with that diagnosis are wrongful deaths in my view. Wrongful deaths because the physicians lied about the true causation of distress and because they knowingly prescribed medications that are proven to possibly have health ravaging side effects and meds that even increase the incidence of suicide.
Podiatrists, Opthomalogists, Orthopedists and other medical specialties like psychiatry, don’t treat patients with “physical and “organic” diseases that are potentially fatal. But those medical specialist’s patients don’t die dramatically earlier under those medical specialists care like the patients of their fellow MDs who are psychiatrists do.
I believe there should be an informed consent notice given to every patient that is about to receive psychiatric care- “Warning! You are receiving potentially life threatening treatment by the medical specialty of psychiatry. Our patients routinely die 20-25 years earlier than the national average. We can not prove the existence of any underlying physical or organic disease process that itself causes these deaths except in the instance of Alzheimer’s disease. Please know that former NIMH director Thomas Insel affirmed that there are no blood tests, X-rays, MRI tests or genetic tests that can confirm the DSM diagnosis and prognosis that you may be receiving today from your licensed Psychiatrist.”
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Thanks Sally- I’m not predicting the disease model of psychiatry will drop into the dust bin of history anytime soon, but because I see so many people coming to see me in therapy the past few years who are really burnt out on it- that’s what gives me the most hope. Most of them have never heard of madinamerica.
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Hi Seth, in private conversations Perry never really strongly emphasized that there are 2 categories of extreme state experiences in the way Grof more pointedly did- that is, you’re either in a spiritual emergency or you’ve got a psychiatric disease. John really focused with Diabasis House on first and early episode extreme state processes because the Esalen inspired Agnew’s Project study he was part of confirmed for him what he’d written about in “The Self in Psychotic Process” that Jung wrote the forward to in the 1950’s.
John saw how Diabasis like Agnew’s and Iward and Soteria,(not Laing’s Kingsley Hall) could divert 60-70 percent of first breaks from being in the system if they went through madness without meds in a loving setting.
But what about the 30-40 percent Diabasis couldn’t reach or help? He said he believed they were somehow unable to avail themselves but he wasn’t sure why- just that folks who had the flattest affect and tended towards paranoia instead of florrid super active imagery and emotion charged mythic narratives would somehow need to have their emotional psyches recharged, because he knew without that they were in a barren inner wasteland. Turns out they really were and are. But that’s not because they aren’t in an archetypal process as I found out and shared with him.
After the Diabasis and Iward(where I’d worked for years)med free madness sanctuaries were shut down, I worked for the next 25 years with many folks who had been on Iward and hadn’t been among the fortunate 60 percent who exited the system after being there. So against my job site clinical supervisor’s direction, but with Perry’s off site anxious blessing. I decided I would ask these so-called flat affect hebephrenic schizophrenics to please share their dreams with me.
Then out it poured, dream after archetypal dream, full of emotion and amazing imagery, mythic themes along with psychic phenomenon too.
When he saw what was happening, Perry strongly urged me to write my work up from this period with so-called “chronics” because it had reversed his belief that people who don’t get through madness on the first or second try are pretty much lost.
I am currently writing a long journal article or possibly a book on it, so stay tuned for the details. Bottom line, because of going through my own un-medicted underworld journey of madness, I never questioned whether anyone else could be reached and helped out of the spiritually barren and often terror fueled darkness filled wasteland too, if true merciful love was offered to them.o, I always believed that by definition, if you are experiencing extreme states your’e in an archetypal/spiritual. polytheistic deity inhabited process. So because the elevator in the psyche/soul goes down as well as up, hell is a spiritual zone too and the denizens of the wasteland are with the wasteland gods and ghosts when we pass them on the street, and if we only see their tragic outer condition, we just don’t know the whole story.
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Thank you arjuna- I went to CIIS too and am happy to be working with some young grad students from there on developing a Laignian style residential haven for folks in extreme states, that also draws on transpersonal and Jungian psychology. It’s going to be called Gnosis Retreat Center. Michael Guy Thompson, who blogs here on MIA is the point person. The new paradigm, as you say- ever evolving.
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Thank you Someone Else, I’d been thinking about fitting that great Lewis quote into this article somewhere, but didn’t manage to do it. I’m very glad you brought it!
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Thank you for joining this conversation Igor, and sharing news about psychiatry in Russia.
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Thank you for your powerful comment, benzosurvivor.
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Thank you Slaying the Dragon of Psychiatry for bringing your truth.
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Thank you BigPictureAwareness! I love you comment. maybe next time I’ll ask Hermes or another even more tricksterish magician to help me write so humor disarms where holding feet to fire may fail.
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Thanks for writing Cognomen. It always amazes me too!
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Thanks for writing Seth. I haven’t read Bruce’s article yet but it sounds great. Yes, the way the Emperor’s New Clothes story ends is very telling isn’t it- when held up against the stance of psychiatry?
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Thanks for writing Ron. I don’t believe that certain DSM diagnoses like so-called schizophrenia have been proven to be “physical or organic” brain diseases. That’s why I wrote that such DSM diagnoses wouldn’t be potentially lethal, as the proven “physical and organic” disease processes such as cancer and heart disease are, which are treated as such by the medical specialties of oncology and cardiology.
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I don’t believe it should matter why oldhead. If someone injures others even unwittingly they should be held responsible. I guess I’m trying to tip the scales a bit in the court of public opinion to hasten that day when justice is done, by hopefully undermining the publicly perceived legitimacy of psychiatry.
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Thanks for writing John. Yes, they so often bristle and are appalled at the slightest challenge. I focus on that arrogant behavior in my MIA article- “Are Some Psychiatrists Addicted to Deference?”
At the end of the article I share about a psychiatrist telling Bob Whitaker after Bob had done a group presentation something like- “I’m not interested in talking about the questions you raised Mr. Whitaker, I just want you to know that I don’t like your attitude!”
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Thank you registeredforthissite! You are an absolute asset too.
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Thank you knowledgeispower. That was my experience too- bringing solid research and information to psychiatrists about humane alternatives almost always was rejected or ignored. The self-interest you describe that keeps psychiatrists locked into their belief system and treatment practices also can’t be underestimated.
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Thank you for writing Fred Abbe. I deeply believe what you’re saying that only those who have felt the terrible harm done by psychiatry can understand “the terror that psychiatry represents..”
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Thank you for writing mepat. I’ve always respected another person’s inherent right to choose to do what’s right for them- as I want that respect for my choices extended to me too.
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foglight, if I may say so, you are serving as a light in the darkness where you work. It’s so sad to see the light go out of someone as you describe, when they receive what I believe is a form of medical curse from a psychiatrist-
The hope destroying message given that they must always be heavily medicated feels like a life sentence.
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Thank you Jane42. I’m very glad you didn’t continue their recommendations- and very sorry they robbed you as you say.
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Hi Steve, maybe arrogance and stupidity multiply each other.
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Thank you Feelindiscouraged. Justice is going to happen someday. I may not live to see it, but I believe a day will come when psychiatrists who harm their patients will be going to jail for doing it.
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Thank you truth. It surely is thousands harmed or dead every day.
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Thank you for your comment registeredforthissite!
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Thank you Aria, for sharing the awful and very frequent example of a doctor who would blindly keeps increasing meds without questioning if they were causing harm.
I’m very glad you found your way forward despite his harmful treatment.
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Thank you for your comment Erin- yes, how can a carpenter not know how a hammer works, a chef how an oven works, a doctor who took an oath to first do no harm not know when they are doing harm?
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Thank you George!
That’s so telling that psychiatrists didn’t ask the great many people in your study about their personal experiences.
I remember reading that Jung had said that- “Psychiatry has turned the gods into diseases.” Seems like our inherent human birthright for having profound and meaningful mythic, spiritual, archetypal, psychic, soul and mystical experiences- and even our dream experiences have been pushed out of sight and devalued by the psychiatric vision of what it means to be human.
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Hi George, it’s really great to see a fellow Jungian writer here on MIA, writing on dreams who also was friends with John Perry!
I look toward to your continued posts on dreams!
John and I were close friends for about 20 years and I did a doctoral research follow-up study on his med-free Jungian madness sanctuary, Diabasis House. Here on MIA I’ve written a couple of articles you may enjoy about dreams, Jung, madness and Perry.
A provocative one is called- “Jung’s First Dream, The Mad God Dionysus and a Madness Sanctuary Called Diabasis.”
In my MIA article- “Dreams: Still the Royal Road to the Unconscious” I share a dream teaching that Jung personally shared with Perry in Zurich about Jung’s own dreams, that John passed on to me in the 1980’s.
Welcome aboard to MIA!
Best wishes,
Michael Cornwall
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Hi Emily, thank you very much for sharing your experiences and extremely valuable message of liberation. I’m glad you escaped that terrible scene and am very sorry that it was hurtful.
I was struck by how often the wisdom of your body alerted you to mounting danger- heart racing, hands trembling, head swimming as you approached the freeing but terrifying realization that the group leaders were masterfully working to trap everyone there in the Orwellian bind that is also the dark scheme of psychiatry that says- “if you resist what you are experiencing and interpreting as coercion, then it is proof that you need more force applied against you, to increase your level of submission and compliance.” Inherent in that obscene message of control and destruction of personal freedom, is that the oppressors know what is best for those they would dominate and that the means used to gain submission are justified- everything that is being done by the leaders is in the best interest of the victim of coercion.
The end game result is masterfully plotted by the oppressors. We see it in the darkness of Orwell’s vision of “1984” when the victim is finally, totally broken down as was skillfully orchestrated. Finally the trap closes and all free will is surrendered completey to the leader as the victim crumbles inside and proclaims- “I love Big Brother.”
Thank you for your defiance of the oppressors Emily.
In friendship and solidarity,
Michael Cornwall
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Hi madmom, thanks for writing and sharing the good news about your daughter and your family. There’s a video on YouTube under my name where I talk about ways to possibly be encouraging and supportive without pushing, or being too irritating, as you say. That’s always a challenge. (-:
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Thank you for writing kindredspirit! I know what you mean about the wonderful gift of caring that true friends bring when we’re in dire straits vs folks who end up just gawking at the train wreck.
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Thank you for reading my articles and commenting J. Your encouraging words mean a lot to me.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you for your comment Samruck 2. Your devotion to your wife is very moving.
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You’re very welcome human being. Thanks for reading and commenting.
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Thank you for your important comments Uprising. I’m glad it is timely for you.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you Steve. That’s really it, what you say- that it’s the MESSAGE of psychiatry that is so destructive. The medical curse message of life long disease and doom as you describe it is a killer, not just a killer of hope but also literally a killer for countless people.
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Thanks for your comment Matt. I’m glad you mentioned care of the soul and how hope is a more potent medicine than psych drugs. The disease model of psychiatry has failed to grasp such basic but crucial truths.
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Hi Alex, thank you for writing. In this article I mainly focused on the value of receiving compassion from others as a way that hope may arise in us, but yes, clearly individual practices such as meditation and other soul sustaining rituals can support people greatly during those periods of emotional suffering such as you describe going through.
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Thanks for your very important comment Richard! In my reply to Paris Williams (who cited the Dali Lama being unable at first to understand the western emotional experience of guilt and shame fueled self-hatred)- I refer to the “Fall” that for many Christians is held to be the beginning of human original sin and the corruption of the earth and all nature via disobedience.
70 percent of Americans are Christians and 70 percent of them believe in hell. They hold the belief that a hell awaits-
“People who have led bad lives and die without being sorry are eternally punished” according to a 2015 Pew Research study.
According to the Pew US study, 22 percent of Jews, 76 percent of Muslims, 32 percent of Buddhists and 28 percent of Hindus also believe in an afterlife hell as described above.
The person I write about in my article who was paralyzed by extreme feelings of shame and guilt, believed they deserved to burn in hell for all eternity until they finally became free of their burden of shame and guilt through self love.
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Thank you Jessiebelle for your beautiful and generous comment!
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Thank you Fiachra, for your comment on the value of such silence!
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Thank you for your comment Someone Else.
It’s beyond ironic that for several disease model caregivers I’ve known well over the decades, who themselves became very overwhelmed by traumas and losses in their own lives, did not seek out the standard psychiatric injurious treatment you describe above for themselves.
Instead, they sought out the loving care you describe. I guess that didn’t strike them as strange because they still clung to the false belief that their patients had mental illness and that their suffering was very different-
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Wonderful comment Alex, thank you!
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Thanks for your great comment Matt! I hope people here read it.
After 35 years of countless times watching disease model caregivers so often intentionally ignore, and be unable to respond with simple empathy and compassion, based on a shared human kinship with the subjective emotional pain of someone in pain sitting 4 feet away from them, it seems to me that the disease model of human emotional suffering has evolved to protect society and its caregivers from the intense kind of emotional intimacy that Searles and you describe- and that I suggest in this article.
The detached busy work of diagnosis, prognosis and treatment planning and so-called clinical intervention completely miss the mark of what the suffering person 4 feet away really needs.
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Hi Brian, thanks for writing my friend, and for mentioning Open Dialogue and the healing work of Lewis Mehl-Madrona. All over the world most people have always practiced compassion and loving patience n the face of emotional suffering. Our waning historical era of draconian control and turning a cold shoulder to people in pain surely will not stand.
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Thank you for writing PaisleyToes. Yes, how we need people who can just sit with us when we hurt.
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Thank you for your important comment J!
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Thank you for reading and for your comment mik!
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I see that now oldhead, sorry for the confusion.
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I’m glad you found the help that worked for you jordanfallis!
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Hi Paris, thanks for your great comment! I think my belief that guilt and shame are not hard wired emotions, but are culture bound, learned emotional responses that we are tragically subjected to learning as children, is supported by Sharon’s description above of the Dali Lama not having any way of grasping her question about self-hatred because he hadn’t been made to feel that way, hadn’t been made to feel shamed and guilt when growing up.
Joseph Campbell pointed out that male dominant western culture is the only one on the planet with a creation myth that assigns planetary corruption to humans for our role in the ‘fall’- that fall includes not just our own shameful act of defiance that deserves punishment- but Campbell says nature itself has been contaminated by our presence on earth.
That’s not something the Dali Lama was taught.
I think the western heroic, patriarchal warrior mythic core also contributes to our heritage of learned guilt and shame, via it’s reification of glory vs disgrace in battle, and through prizing the goals of conquest and enslaving and humiliating enemies.
With these more fundamental culture defining, shame and guilt engines ever at work above, (over 50 percent of Americans believe that people who don’t live a good life will be punished for eternity in hell)-
if you then add on the power of modern social darwinism and the materialist imperatives of capitalism impinging on all of us, it looks to me like we live in a toxic shame and guilt making perfect storm.
These considerations above and the looming possible suicides of those gripped in extreme shame and guilt as I described in the article, brings me the urgency of saying no to the emotions of shame and guilt. Maybe some people can more peacefully resist them via mindfulness as you say, but for me, bluntly and unequivocally rejecting those learned emotions can’t happen quick enough.
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Thank you for your succinct but very powerful comment FeelingDiscouraged!
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Thank you for writing LisaO! You know I’m always beyond leery of anything claimed to be measured by fmri’s because of psychiatry’s bogus claims of brain pathology being shown via imaging. I remember feeling good about yogis and zen masters being hooked up to galvanic skin response and blood pressure cuffs in the 70’s to show they were really stress free. I need to catch up with what you know about the brain which I think doesn’t pathologize extreme states and our emotions- learned, culture bound emotions or hardwired ones!
best wishes, Michael
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I never give anyone a psychiatric label oldhead. If you want to know why I don’t, please check 2 of my MIA articles- “i Don’t Believe in Mental Illness, Do You?” and “Does the Psychiatric Diagnosis Process Qualify as a Degradation Ceremony?”
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Hi Seth, if you look up the word remorse in the Cambridge English Dictionary it say’s it is- “A feeling of sadness for something you have done.'” Several other dictionary definitions of remorse also clearly distinguish it from guilt.
And if you Google- guilt vs remorse, you’ll see how clearly remorse involves a person looking inward to feel empathy and caring for another person that they may have harmed.
That’s what I’m talking about. That kind of transformative emotional remorse aimed at the well being of the other, that remorse makes the learned and destructively induced, culture bound emotions of guilt and shame obsolete.
Via this restorative subjective emotional experience, as I wrote about in my article above, of feeling this kind of other focused, restorative remorse, that involves taking full personal responsibility for one’s hurting another, and which creates the willingness and pursuit of making amends, of feeling empathy and compassion, and of seeking reconciliation, well-
the destructive emotions of guilt and shame clearly have no role in that process of self-love while simultaneously caring for the well being of another.
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If I rob and shoot someone as you describe in your example above, I should be able to be given consequences based on the findings of evidence that prove the facts of my actions. The judgement of the court should be solely be based on my proven actions.
It seems to me, that for justice to be real, it has to be dispassionately rendered with no attributions or judgements made about the state of a person’s soul or moral character. Otherwise justice is not justice but just another guilt and shame based degradation ceremony aimed at shaming and debasing and condemning the person hood of the one accused of breaking a law.
Of course justice can’t happen if a law itself is unjust, such as the forced treatment laws enacted to unlawfully control and imprison people labelled with psychiatric diagnoses.
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Hi oldhead.
Yes, I’d say so. But having had the epiphany might make serving time easier.
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Thank You for writing WoundedSoul74,
I wish none of those rejecting and shaming messages had been given to you and that people had and will treat you with the kindness and respect that you deserve. Please contact me through my website – michaelcornwall.com if you’d like to talk sometime.
Best wishes, Michael
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I agree Fiachra, thank you for writing,
Best wishes, Michael
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Thanks for writing CatNight,
It’s so unfortunately true that your injurious experience of psych hospitalization is true for countless other people too.
I’m very sorry you were subjected to that lack of caring and the infliction of rejection and abuse.
best wishes,
Michael
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Hi Nomadic, I agree that people need to feel what we feel- and that to fully experience and express our emotions such as anger, fear, grief, happiness etc. is imperative for our emotional and personal freedom. Seeking that freedom began for me over 50 years ago as i traversed the emotional suffering of intense madness.
In my three other MIA articles on emotion listed below, I affirm my long held belief in the core value of emotional freedom – a freedom that the disease model of psychiatry so often destroys through it’s dogma and human rights abuse practices.
The articles are-
“Emotions: Keys to Our Freedom”
“Our Emotions-The Sole Creators of Every Word, Voice, Symbolic Image, Bodily Movement and Thought”
“For Me Self-Love Requires Both Mercy and Defiance.”
As I shared in this article on guilt and shame, I believe those two emotional experiences aren’t part of our hard wired human emotional birthright like the experiences of anger, fear, grief, joy, etc. are,. Babies aren’t born with the inherent mammalian/human need to feel ashamed and guilty. That’s why I see guilt and shame as being destructive, learned emotional experiences that are responses to manipulative and oppressive culture bound individual and group domination strategies developed to control the behavior of others.
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Thanks for writing Alex,
Yes, the mental health system, the psychiatric disease model world freely dispenses guilt and shame along with DSM diagnoses- and people are guilt tripped if they don’t comply with the dr. orders for med consumption- and if the guilt trip doesn’t work, then forced treatment is a guilt fueled judgemental sanction and form of punishment.
My MIA article- “Does the Psychiatric Diagnosis Process Qualify as a Degradation Ceremony?” further explores how psychiatry functions to control deviance using shame in the degradation of personal identity.
I’m glad you feel no guilt for saying what you said above about not being responsible for other people’s feelings!
Best wishes my friend, Michael
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Thank you for your wonderful comment Julie! I hope everyone reads it. The childhood you describe of being in nature and you and your brothers freely moving about with a child’s vibrant energy is what I remember of my childhood too. Now every child from birth on, is closely watched for any sign of what might deviate from the dreadful constrictions that pharma backed psychiatry may judge as pathological.
Best wishes, Michael
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I’m very sad that Pat has passed and do believe his brutal and injurious mistreatment at the hands of the MH system shortened his life. Pat and I were comrades for many years in Contra Costa County in a strong coalition of activists that included Jay Mahler. For years Pat served on the state mandated county mental health advisory board that was dominated by NAMI and mental health administration, with a few other people with lived experience that got appointed, but were so disrespected that they often left after a month or so of being on the advisory board. If you knew Pat, you know he would never sit still for anyone talking down to or demeaning him or other consumer survivors in his presence. I fondly remember Pat, often refusing to yield the floor in those meetings as he fearlessly and brilliantly challenged the shocked county chief psychiatrist or head of NAMI, who were expecting but not getting deference.
Pat was a fearless and wonderful force of nature that did incredible good.
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Peter, you are the conscience of psychiatry and have been for many decades. Your fearless truth telling as in this article on torture is a moral challenge to us all to take a stand or deny the truth before us.
Thank you again,
Michael
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More than 10,000 toddlers age 2 to 3 years old are being medicated with amphetamine/Adderall or Ritalin, who have been diagnosed with ADHD, which is outside the pediatric guidelines and standard of care. The doctors who give the drugs are wide open to malpractice lawsuits.
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Hi Nomadic, I disagree with your judgement that parents who are seeking help for the children they love are using their children. If parents are abusing their children in any way, that’s another matter. Seeking help for children out of genuine parental concern is not mistreatment.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you for your comments from your lived experience TenaciousMe. They are very valuable and do contribute to the credibility of the debate as you say.
Best wishes, Michael
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Hi [email protected], Thank you for your comment.
I don’t support or agree with comments by Nomadic or anyone in this discussion that are judgemental or condemning of parents who are trying their best to help and find help for their children who are struggling. I’m glad to hear you found the private school that helped your son.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thanks again Liz, the info I saw a week ago in that Daily Beast article you linked above is what prompted me to write this one, from the vantage point of a therapist who sees families and children.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you very much garyg, for your very comprehensive and thought provoking comment! It adds a lot to the discussion here.
Best wishes, Michael
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That’s so true oldhead- stimulants cause our brain pans to focus on whatever is right there for us to focus on- a kid learning long division or someone up at 4 am ironing the laundry until sunrise.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you Alex, for sharing so well, how the hypnotic aura of medical authority can so blind people and even loved ones, from seeing the obvious great healing that other, alternative ways can provide. I hope many here will read your very important message.
Best wishes my friend, Michael
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Thank you for Rooster, for sharing how your brother tragically was a victim of the mental health system that was supposed to help, not harm him. I’m very sorry for your loss.
Michael
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Thank you deeo43 for your very powerful comment! I hope MIA readers check it out.
Best wishes, Michael
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A Comic book Called -“What’s up With Josh?” from the Shire, Adderal drug company on ADHD! In it an action heroes is saying- “Only a doctor can tell if you have ADHD or not, and it can be scary when you first get told you have it. But it’s much less scary when you understand it.”
Thank you very much Liz Sydney for the new link in your comment above, to the article about this incredible drug marketing scheme that directly targets kids!.
Best wishes, Michael
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Hi The_cat, please edit out your use of the derogatory word ‘crooked” when describing Hillary Clinton. I appreciate very much the pertinent information you are sharing about her statements about psych drugs and children, and the future pre-school screening.
Thank you, Michael
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Thank you for this wonderful comment markps2!
Best wishes, Michael
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Thanks for your comment Rossa, that shares from your first hand experience. From what I’m seeing these days, there is more pressure on parents to medicate coming from school staff, even in pre-schools and kindergarten. A child I know was diagnosed with ADHD at 3 years old after pre-school staff urged patents to get an evaluation.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thanks squash, for your comment that includes your very important mention of the role of social services in adding pressure for children and teens to routinely be medicated.
Best wishes, Michael
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There are over 63 million prescriptions for ADHD written in the US each year now!
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Thank you Warmac, for sharing the warning that prescribed amphetamines can be a true gateway drug, and for your other excellent points.
Best wishes, Michael
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I totally agree with you Steve! In the article I mention the enforcement of over regimentation during school hours as being very problematic, but I’m grateful you said that so-called ADHD can be a very healthy expression of boredom and anger in response to being forced to sit at a desk and be subjected to seemingly endless inane and repetitive learning tasks.
I was like you- spaced out and staring out the window- In a way the whole school based childhood learning experience is surreal and Kafkaesque for many children. As hard wired hunter and gatherer primates we really aren’t built to spend most of our young years cooped up in a crowded room in a building under fluorescent lights.
Our culture tasked psychiatry and the drug companies to address that situation.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you for your very important comment Liz! I should have stressed the huge factor you mention- the tremendous pressure on parents from overwhelmed teachers and burnt out school principles to medicate children who the school staff may be having a difficult time with- for some of the reasons Steve McCrea mentions in his great comment below.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thanks very much for writing Harper, and for sharing about your great work with families and children!
Best wishes, Michael
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Hi All,
I’ll be discussing this new MIA article and other issues about psychiatric medication and therapy, with my friend Dr. Peter Breggin-
Tune in tomorow, June 15th at 4 pm eastern time on – “The Dr. Peter Breggin Radio Hour” at http://www.prn.fm. We hope you can join us!
Best wishes, Michael
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We can’t easily feel and give empathy, compassion and love to ourselves or to another if we are in the grip of guilt and/or shame and/or fear. We can’t easily receive empathy, compassion and love from ourselves or from another if we are in the grip of guilt, and/or shame and/or fear.
A patriarchal culture’s defining myth form can induce much guilt, shame and fear. The belief in Divine judgement can elicit emotions of guilt, shame and fear.
A 2014 Pew Research Center, Religious Landscape Study found that roughly 72% of Americans say they believe in heaven- defined as a place “where people who led good lives are eternally rewarded.”
58 % of US adults also believe in hell- a place “where people who have led bad lives and die without being sorry are eternally punished.”
According to this study, 70% of Christians believe in hell, 22% Jewish Faith, 76% Muslim Faith, 32% Buddhist Faith, and 28% Hindu Faith also believe in hell as described above.
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I understood Marcuse’s great refusal to mean that subjectively, person by person a defiance to oppression is individually realized and that organic process then creates a collective political wave of revolution.
“The personal is political” was a feminist rallying cry in the 60’s and 70’s.
A recent blog post I wrote here on MIA called- “For me, self-love requires both defiance and mercy” draws on the need for a great refusal of sorts to accept any outer or inner oppression, while at the same time claiming the right to give and receive empathy, compassion and love, as a way to redress the wounds of both commission and omission I believe our culture inflicts on us.
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Thanks for this great info uprising! I took a grad school course from Marija Gimbutas where she really made a strong case based on her decades of field work to support her ideas about the genesis of patriarchy.
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The overarching myth forms that historically emerge that various cultures embrace to create their cosmologies, theologies and social structures and cultural institutions- (that include their economic and political institutions, like feudalism or capitalism)- are patriarchal if a male deity is the creator of it all and rules over it all in any cultural aeon myth form.
That’s what I was referring to Oldhead, when I wrote about the mythic and archetypal roots of our own patriarchal culture.
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Thank you for your very valuable comment NewPC, and for raising the question about how one of our most powerful patriarchal social institution, organized religion, may impact us via causing the kinds of wounds of omission I’m suggesting happen to us all, in this article..
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you plebtocracy- Yes, Winnicott nailed it!
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Thank you Alex- this is very awesome!
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Hi oldhead, thanks for your great comments. I do think the patriarchy in the broadest sense, because of it’s inherent values that reify power over others, naturally birthed feudalism and capitalism- and as 2016 capitalism morphs into an ever more blatant oligarchy, it almost is like a return to feudalism is happening.
The Citizen’s united supreme court ruling set the stage where just a couple of days ago, multi-billionaire Sheldon Adelson pledged $100 million dollars to multi-billionaire Trump’s campaign for president.
Our daily bread of alienation does to a huge degree flow from our modern serfdom. We may be able to more freely complain about the polices of the ruling capitalist oligarchy than the serfs could about the king, but I think until we practice a person by person subjective form of Marcuse’s “great refusal”- that capitalist economic oppression will keep the upper hand.
Previews of a very grassroots wave of person by person, subjective great refusal, came in the 60’s when holding a heart-centered personal inner commitment to peace and love and ant-war beliefs were extolled as themselves being revolutionary acts.
I guess what I’m writing here about the cultural wounds of omission that deprive us all of the necessary abundances of empathy, compassion and love that we all need, really does come from those younger days for me when hearing John Lennon sing -“All you need is love” said it all.
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Thank you so much for writing Richard. In response to your central question above- “Is this not where it all begins?’ I’d sadly say, no I don’t believe so.
In fact I wish the profound, unconscious alienation that the hugely liberatory Marxist analysis so powerfully explains, explained and captured the roots of the beginning of the path of immeasurable human suffering that empathy, compassion and love, thankfully can be the antidotes for- both personally and collectively.
If the revolutionary message of Marx could completely solve our culture’s tragic state of wasteland-like, planet destroying existence, then such a political and economic solution as Marx envisioned via the death of capitalism should be pursued with our every waking breath.
But the death of capitalism and the rise of a benevolent, egalitarian social/economic world can only be a partial solution to our culture’s dilemma in my view.
What I’ve been calling the patriarchy, that began in earnest thousands of years ago, recently and logically spawned capitalism, just as it also logically built up the institutions of science and it’s offspring and tool for deviance control, the disease model of psychiatry and likewise the obscene modern warfare tool , the atom bomb.
It sounds strange perhaps to confess that Joseph Conrad’s- “The Heart of Darkness”- is still my go to book for comfort. In it I see confirmed the dark vision that confronted me in my year of madness over 50 years ago.
Against that backdrop, to me the patriarchy is just a metaphor for the larger human potential tendency to hoard and abuse power 0ver others, and to revel in organized sadism, cruelty and to be hypnotized by the seductive malignant narcissism of mass leaders like Caesar. Hitler, Stalin and even our own amazing Trump.
The looming evolutionary dead end for our species loosely named patriarchy, really hit it’s stride with the creation of the city state and the creation of agriculture. Until then our hunter gatherer homo sapien brain pans couldn’t come up with the organized people power and hi-tech to eventually blow up the planet.
That’s why I’m a fan of Dionysus who never strayed inside the city walls except to call folks back into the mountains to wild freedom.
So, my swan song is just to keep it simple and say I know empathy, compassion and love can heal, can help us night and day.
There is a heart of darkness and unspeakable horror, there is a heart of light and unimaginable love. That heart is one undivided heart there inside each of us and there inside everyone.
To readers here I’d write-
“Try and choose more light today in your heart than darkness, more love in your heart today than cruelty- before it’s too late and your very short life is over. You may need some help doing that from a higher power. I did.”
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I’m grateful Alex, for you telling us all of your odyssey of transformation and quest for personal freedom- that really is a hero’s journey story as Joseph Campbell describes it.
That heroic struggle so often begins in the microcosm crucible of our families, that are themselves entities that are formed and exist in the surrounding toxic cultural macrocosm universe we’ve been discussing- where woundings of commission and omission are rampant.
It emboldens and soothes me to hear your story both for it’s defiance and for it’s soulful good news of freedom claimed by your loving heart now beating so wide open.
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You’re welcome Naas, thanks for reading. I hope everyone who hasn’t already, will check out your very valuable and inspiring blog posts here on MIA!
Best wishes my friend, Michael
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Thank you very much uprising, for sharing my comment response about the patriarchy that I wish I’d been able to think up and work into the article when I was writing it. But with you and the other wonderful commenters here, together we so often expand on the original blog posts in our conversations in ways that we co-create a living document that is enhanced.
Best wishes, Michael
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Congratulations Naas! I’m so happy for you and grateful for all your amazing, brave activism that makes the world a better place.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you very much npeden, for the link to your blog of personal sharing about how nutrition, loving relationships and no psych drugs have transformed you- and thanks for the other valuable resource links too..
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Hi Alex, great to hear from you as usual and to share these pages in conversation as we’ve done for a few years now. I agree with every thing you wisely say above- and believe it’s true about the modern mass media and how we’re programmed by it, and wounded and emotionally manipulated by it.
But the necessary pre-condition for that modern instrument of oppression to have emerged, was the destructive power of thousands of years of patriarchal myth forms and male ruled culture shaping institutions, that have scorned our human needs for the healing and life renewing intimacies of empathy, compassion and love.
In the name of glorious war, through the fear and loathing of feminine sexuality via body shaming spiritual purity, and by the hunger to absolutely subjugate or annihilate whole nations, continents and races, the patriarchal aeon has proved itself a human species evolutionary error and dead end.
I believe we’re in the final death throes of that waning patriarchal mythic aeon- and finding sources now of love, compassion and empathy are like finding hidden springs in a tortured wasteland.
We’re literally dying of thirst.
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You say- “Society sees those who can’t function without love as useless eaters, it is an unfortunate truth.” I don’t believe that’s true jackdaniels. It looks to me that our culture is very conflicted over whether we view empathy, compassion and love as prized or not.
Because empathy, compassion and love are in desperately short supply in our daily lives, doesn’t mean they aren’t also desperately missed and longed for- even secretly so by the most Spartan of rugged individualists.
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Thanks for posting the link to my article Bruce. I look forward to your coming articles on mental health politics, and in joining with you in this never ending political power struggle.
In solidarity, Michael
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Hi Richard, I agree we need a broad array of political tactics. I also have long agreed with Herbert Marcuse and others, that the “long march through the institutions” that I practiced for almost 30 years has great value in transforming and weakening the oppressive system from the inside out- by being change agent catalysts, Resistance fighters inside the belly of the beast we help prepare the hour of it’s collapse. That long march is not everyone’s calling I know, but serving in the Resistance behind enemy lines has a venerable history.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you for your encouragement to write a book like that, BPDTransformation, B.A.. I’ve found the person-centered approach to also be helpful with people of all ages. I think the youngest child I spent time with who was suffering emotionally was 2 1/2 years old, and the oldest senior was in their 80’s. I guess we’re never too young or too old to need to be seen and heard and cared about.
Best wishes, Michael
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Hi Bruce, thank you again for a very important article. I’m very surprised though, at your huge omission of not listing Peter Breggin as a high profile critic of psychiatry. Since the 1970’s no one has been bolder in their full throated condemnation of the disease model of psychiatry and it’s practices such as ECT and the use of medications. Breggin was smeared by NAMI with psychiatry’s blessing in an attempt to strip him of his license by the Maryland Medical Board for publicly speaking out against the use of medications.
As a front line dissident therapist and anti-psychiatry political activist working full time in a large urban public mental health system for 28 years, I know first hand and exactly why the Resistance you describe has failed so miserably in the political power struggle with the unholy alliance of Psychiatry, NAMI, Pharma and gutless politicians- and therefore why there are forced in-home treatment laws in almost every state and possibly soon nationally.
My April 2014 MIA article- “It’s time for a stronger political ground game to compete with NAMI and company on forced treatment” outlines why the Resistance has lost and will keep losing on every political issue, not just on forced treatment- if a city by city and county by county grassroots effort to match what the unholy alliance has perfected isn’t mounted.
Their political battle plan is simple. Build a relentless, ever present and ruthless political ground game from the bottom up and you can always win locally and nationally.
So to show what I’m talking about let me ask some pointed questions based on my experience, as I do in the article.
Bruce, and MIA readers. do you know the names of every mayor and city council person in every city and town in your county? Do you know the name of your County’s CEO, Health services director, mental health director, adult and children’s county mental health chiefs, plus the names of every elected county supervisor in your county? Are you now or have you been a member of an organized coalition of Resistance activists who have met with every person I’ve listed above in the first week they got hired or elected, and on a frequent, regular basis since then to strongly lobby them to oppose the unholy alliance and to adopt and support the vision and agenda of the Resistance?
If the answer to all the question above isn’t a resounding yes, then please understand why winning the political grass roots contest with the unholy alliance will never happen. Because NAMI, as the designated human face of the unholy alliance, has done and is doing as we speak exactly what I’m sharing above. They face to face lobby every person who may have any possible effect on tilting the political ground in their favor. In every meeting they unfailingly put the person of possible influence on the spot, to get them on record. They almost always either bring or tell about a local NAMI family member who has tragically lost an offspring to suicide and ask- “Are you in support of increasing psychiatric staff in the county system? Are you in favor of the civil commitment laws that provide for court ordered community treatment? Are you aware of what psychiatry has proven?- that mental illness is a medical disease that deserves the same allocation of psychiatric resources as the other medical specialties. And finally, do you know how many registered NAMI voters there are in your city, your county?”
How do I know what transpires in those NAMI meetings with all the people I’ve t listed above? I met with the all same people. For 20 years I was the leader of a broad based coalition of Eesistance reformers. Many times our group would meet the NAMI contingent in the waiting rooms of politicians or other decision makers. If they were scheduled first, we would go in next and see the looks on the faces of the people who had just been grilled by the NAMI leadership. I personally know some of those politicians and decision makers and they told me the questions NAMI asked them in order to leverage them on the public record.
One of those guys who’s a friend of mine started out as a city councilman and is now a very powerful California state senator. I remember what he told me when I was working on his campaign for county supervisor- “Jesus Mike, you know I support the progressive work you and the folks in your coalition represent, but I get so much damn pressure from NAMI and Dr. H. the chief of county psychiatry to vote for the changes they want. They even not so subtly threatened me that they’d support who”s running against me if they think my opponent is are more pro-mental health as NAMI sees it. They even told me how many NAMI registered voters there are in my district! Please know I’m sorry, but I’m not gonna be able to work to give you guys much of the consumer run services that you want this year, if I’m gonna win this election!”
We did get alot of the peer run services and peer specialist civil service jobs we fought for though over the years.
We tried to match the grassroots political ground game of NAMI and the unholy alliance.
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Great blog Bob!
I see Allen that patronizingly thinks you’re- “unbalanced by a lack of clinical and life experience with the constituency whose needs you ignore.” He’s pulling the good old medical professional rank on you there, with a guilt trip attached. How dare you, a journalist, be so unwilling to be mentored by him, a licensed MD, into the “middle way?” At least Allen didn’t publicly call you a “menace to society” as his comrade Dr. Lieberman did.
As a clinician who has spent my career since 1978 specializing in serving people in all kinds of extreme or psychotic states, I daresay I’ve spent more hours face to face with people with a psychosis diagnoses than Allen has. He’s wrong about you being guilty of causing harm, that you are ignoring the “needs” of people he believes need antipsychotics, by your not publicly embracing his “middle way.” You’d have to partially embrace the disease model to do that, but to do that you’d need to ignore all the evidence you have discovered all these years- all the evidence you’ve shared that really meets a huge unmet need of countless people- the need for the truth.
I never believed in the disease model. So in the spirit of Open Dialogue, Soteria, I-Ward, Diabasis and many other approaches that don’t pathologize emotional suffering, but instead help people have a full emotional life, antipsychotics are seen for what they are, very powerful drugs that block, numb and suppress emotion. When that happens, all the emotion-fueled so-called symptoms of extreme states slow way down and recede- but those emotions and behaviors aren’t given a chance to be understood, integrated and resolved.
Allen needs to have a conversion. He needs to put his energy into promoting proven services that help people while avoiding the use of meds. But to do that he’d have to abandon the disease model.
Stranger things have happened to people who finally see the error of their ways.
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Thanks for writing Someone Else and for sharing that damning and truthful information about the dangers of medications. I worked at that clinic 9 years ago and while there I frequently shared such information with all the doctors about the risks and dangers of meds and how helping people without meds as I did every day was possible. Then as now, such warnings that I repeated were ignored. They usually responded by saying that they had been trained to believe that brain imaging tests could show that psychosis damages the brain, so they were required to stop such damage with meds.
Psychiatry has become a morally bankrupt and failed social institution in my opinion because of such gross negligence and the enormous harm done through the wholesale use of harmful meds- now even on toddlers under three years old.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you for these great points you make Liz. The fantasy of precision in medicine is that, a fantasy as you show, but it may be a more a compelling fantasy for psychiatrists. They may really long for psychiatry to be a medical specialty that ranks with cardiology in it’s perceived precision and diagnostic sophistication, as Dr. Insel dreams of.
For 15 years in a public clinic, i shared a wall with a psychiatrist in the next room. He was a nice, friendly man who greeted me every morning. He wanted to help people as the practicing physician he had trained so long and hard to be. He believed in the biological and genetic causes of his patient’s suffering.
I never referred any of my clients to him for meds. I never referred any of my clients to any of the other psychiatrists in the clinic either. He, like them- knew I was a dissident therapist. Sometimes he and the other docs would refer someone to me for therapy.
Everyday the doctor in the room next to mine sat in his room with a DSM and a prescription pad and pen. All day long he wrote out prescriptions on the pad. For anxiety he used 2 or 3 drugs. For depression, 2 or 3. For psychosis 2 or 3. Sometimes he would order a blood test.
That was it. A small room, a DSM, a prescription pad, a pen, 3 to 4 patients an hour.
There are over 25,000 psychiatrists in the US and a I believe most of them spend their days like he did.
How wonderful if that changed- if he and the rest could order bio-marker tests soon as Dr. Insel seems to promise is coming for them to do. Then would the psychiatrist in the next room be happier? Would this new era of bio-markers mean he was practicing precision medicine?
I don’t think so. I think there still will be the small room, the DSM with the new 10 page biotype guide for psychosis, the prescription pad, and a pen. I think that’s the future because any way you cut it, first and foremost, the drugs still will need to be prescribed.
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Right on Steve, and religions are based on beliefs that are deeply held personal values, that are really non-negotiable, fundamental, revealed truths. Revealed truths that the religion codifies into dogma.
Psychiatry does something very similar when they claim their theory and applied practices are based on irrefutable scientific evidence. Like many of us here I’ve debated with many psychiatrists over the years about issues as you raise. like the efficacy of giving stimulants to children. Because of my alternative orientation they say I’m wrong because they have science on their side, much like a fundamentalist saying that about god.
Even when I hold up research refuting them they say the research itself is compromised because I’m coming from a faulty belief system- because I don’t embrace bi0psychiatry. It’s like someone telling me I’m going to hell if I don’t accept Jesus.
When I say they also have a belief system it gets very interesting.
They say no, they don’t!
Once again science is claimed to be a pure basis for their claiming what to them, has clearly been proven to be true.
So, my trying to point out that we all operate from our belief systems is seen as proof that I just haven’t received the revealed truth.
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Thank you again Peter, for your tireless leadership and decades of work opposing ECT.
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Great point oldhead! A great many people sharing here on MIA and on countless other forums are telling everyone that there came a day for them when they realized the disease model explanation wasn’t true or valid for them.
But that day of insight isn’t counted by the powers that be as a day of personal liberation and celebration- no, it’s counted as a day when the person fell victim to the dreaded symptom, anosognosia. A person stops believing in the disease model and they believe that’s a personal victory- but the exact opposite attribution is often made by powerful caregivers and family members in their life. How crucial it is at that juncture that the person who stopped believing has support from others who also have stopped believing.
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Thank you stigmanet, for this important information about the bogus, concocted psychiatric symptom anosognosia!
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Wow Kermit! I really hope everyone reads your awesome comment here. It is very wise and inspiring- a succinct summing up of why MIA is so crucial to the present and future lives of all of us who come to this site for the abundant gifts it freely offers us. Many thanks to you and Bob and the MIA team for your tireless work and dedication.
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Hi Fiachra, thanks for writing. Yes, wasn’t the scientific method supposed to provide insurance against prejudice and false judgment in it’s practice of truth seeking?
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Thanks for your great comment radiohead! What are scientists who don”t use the scientific method? Idealogues or politicians in lab coats?
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Hi Oldhead, I think if eugenics is based on identifying types or groups of people who are somehow publicly shown to be very biologically or physically different from an arbitrary norm because of a heritable trait or condition, then I believe the disease model of human emotional suffering that psychiatry espouses, has always been tainted that way. We know that some diagnosed people are often called schizophrenics- “She’s a schizophrenic.”
I wrote an article here on MIA called- “Does the psychiatric diagnosis process qualify as a degradation ceremony?” It explored the experience of a total identity re-assignment that happens via diagnosis. Won’t this new biotype system surely result in the common identity assignment parlance being used too, but with a more Orwellian twist- instead of “He’s a schizophrenic.” I imagine it will be-“He’s a type 1 or she’s a type 2.”
Not- ‘”She has been diagnosed with type 2 psychosis” but- “She is a Type 2.”
When humans start getting classified by biological types then it’s not a stretch to start ordering or ranking which types have more value and utility in society, and which types are less productive or pose a risk. Especially when even now for people labelled with certain DSM diagnoses of psychosis, we see they are being demonized as dangerous to society and our homeland security, and are believed to need laws to force psych drug treatment in their homes.
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Thanks Steve, for your comment and for pointing out a research methodology problem of fishing for coincidences and correlations. Yes, is this another breakthrough that will not sustain itself? Again, my concern is that Dr. Insel, who I think is probably a good poker player, risked a lot by betting this biotype diagnostic system can be defended by the powerful alliance of the NIMH, NAMI, psychiatry, pharma and the politicians who do their bidding.
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Thanks BPDTransformation, B.A., for your powerful comment. I hope you’re right, that activists can challenge this new diagnosis system strongly from now on. I worry that the momentum of the NIMH research agenda that Dr. Insel was the architect for, has so much political and financial support that it will be very hard to slow it down. The fact that Dr. Insel is now proclaiming that agenda is bearing this fruit- a new bio-marker based, biotype diagnostic system, is a huge victory for him and the vision that you and I and so many so strongly oppose.
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My same thoughts too Oldhead! There will no doubt be those efforts to suppress and dismiss this research- especially since it was prompted by Bob’s work. But some of the researchers are epidemiologists from Columbia where Dr. Lieberman is chair of the dept. of psychiatry- how could the study easily be dismissed that was done by his colleagues at Columbia?
It’s going to be interesting to watch the fallout from the research and Bob’s article here- especially when Torrey and Jaffe and NAMI leaders weigh in.
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Congratulations and thank you so much Bob! This landmark research that cannot show the justification for widespread anti-psychotic treatment never would have happened without your sustained efforts going back to 2002 with the release of Mad In America. The researchers come right out and say that your journalism challenged them to do this landmark study.
I can’t help but smile when I think of how this world class academic study that was prompted by your work, is being digested by your critics like former APA president, Dr. Lieberman- who publicly called you “a menace to society”- and referred to people who challenge psychiatry as- “Idealogues who are spreading scientific anarchy.”
I’m so grateful to you and Kermit Cole and all the crew at MIA for hanging in there all these years. This is truly a day of vindication and celebration!
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you Clyde Dee. I really appreciate your encouraging words- fellow traveler.
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Thank you Susan, for reading and for your very kind and encouraging words.
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Thanks for reading Lucy- I’m glad it spoke to you. Reading your great article here on MIA about consumer/survivors possible role in changing psychiatry, I see you are in the thick of the struggle in Canada on many important levels. It’s good to know you’re out there.
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Thank you for your great comments Alex! Life sure is messy and the expectation or goal of always being strong and clear and wise and brave is such a set up- and as you say when we do flounder around and make those inevitable human mistakes, then self love can really be most valuable.
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Thanks for writing bptransformation. B.A.
Here’s to the continued liberation that defiance can bring!
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Thank you Someone Else, for your inspiring and wise comment. I hope many people read it. It bolsters my belief in the need for loving self care and compassionately caring for others too. I’m grateful you were embraced by those inner sources of eternal love you describe that helped you through withdrawal into a deeper healing and knowing.
Best wishes, and in that fellowship of believing in love,
Michael
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Hi truth, Thank you for writing and for your encouraging words.
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Thank you amnesia, I’m very glad you are alive too because of that inner flame of love. The dogmatic pathologizing of human emotional suffering by the disease model of psychiatry doesn’t recognize the healing balm that love surely can give us and that we all need.
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Thank you for your powerful comment J.
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You’re welcome humanbeing- I’m very glad you know that life preserving flame too.
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Thank you for reading it uprising and for your comment.
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Thanks for your valuable comment Laura- I agree that this new digital psych drug may be just the beginning of a whole generation of chipped drugs across the board. Where profit is the motive, the drug companies have proven to be shameless and ruthless. Abilify was the top selling drug in the US last year with 7.2 billion in sales. It went generic this year- but if this new digital form is approved by the FDA, it will be a huge proprietary money maker for Otsuka and Proteus.
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Thanks again Fred- the church of allopathy has come up with a brave new solution for those who dare to refuse, cheek or spit out the soul numbing designer drug.
Michael
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Thanks for writing Colin. For an old guy like me this new Orwellian robo-drug scenario does bring up a bad deja-vu twinge in my guts that reminds me when Marcuse was read by so many of us not long after we got notice of the looming Viet Nam draft.
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Thank you MarthaSB for telling us in so few words exactly why this has got to be stopped!
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Thank you Seth for this very valuable advice and info! Can I catch up with you soon via phone to strategize actions on this?
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Thanks for writing Leah. Very good point- when the world appears sinister and unreal- when fear is so strong it is terror, and trust in others’ motives is totally gone- enter the doctor with pills that track me from inside my body. The very idea of it amplifies the waking nightmare.
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Great comment Nancy, and we have hypnotic direct drug advertising on TV every night that makes the new normal for mom and dad to want to augment their SSRI’s with some anti-psychotic Abilify!
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Thanks David, your dystopian manifesto may turn out to be pretty accurate someday! And who can forget Charlton Heston’s over-acting in Soylent Green!
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Thank you again for writing David, I am very much in political activism mode while still holding the question you value too- If extreme states aren’t what psychiatry says they are, then what are they?
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Wow! I just imagined Hunter Thompson and Allen Ginsberg both sitting up and saying- “yeah, keep on taking no prisoners this way travailler-vous!”
I want to read this a few more times to let all the magic, truth and scorch sink in like an antidote to a micro chipped pill I couldn’t cheek or spit out.
Thank you, Michael
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Very creative possibilities Corinna!
Thanks, Michael
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Thank you for sharing about your experience Fiachra. Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you Brother Duane- I saw a photo of Orwell with the caption- “I wrote 1984 to be a warning, not a damn instruction manual!”
Be well my friend, Michael
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Thanks oldhead and Duane for your great convo here!
Michael
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Hi Alex, I feel the forces of oppression in their over reach in many areas, are triggering a reaction that has the potential for positive change- even some kind of radical societal transformation. But the stakes are very high when personal liberty is up for grabs.
Be well my friend, Michael
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Thanks for writing Pauline N and for your suggestion about an Avaaz petition.
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Thank you for your powerful comment bpdtransformation, B.A.
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Hi Frank, thanks for writing. You make some great points about the social and institutional forces converging to create a climate where such a drug would even be considered by the FDA for approval.
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Hi Naas, thank you again for sharing some of your personal experience about Abilify my friend.
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I gotta think the inventors of this technology have anticipated several ways it could be defeated The_cat. Thanks for writing about ways people are coming up with. Michael
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Yep! that too.
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Good question Steve! I think the widespread fear mongering about the supposed dangers from people with DSM diagnoses of psychosis has paralyzed self interested politicians from the right and left, but where is the outrage from the rank and file political activists on this human rights issue? Thanks for writing, Michael
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Thank you for your valuable comments AlexS.
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Thanks for writing anonymous 1980- I’m glad the article prompted the questions you shared here.
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Great points Timothy, thank you. Like me, I’m sure you have known psychiatrists and MD’s who have sadly had breakdowns and those breakdowns were hushed up in high-end treatment programs-
For addicted/impaired physicians who attend closed AA and NA meetings there is a special degree of anonymity as you point out.
The health care world is a very class stratified system in itself, and the consumers in the public mental health domain especially, are often afforded very little respect due to their economic status.
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Thanks again for writing Alex- yes, in what other medical specialty are those in need often so estranged from the providers that they must create their own way?- become their own healers as you say.
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Thank you for your very moving and valuable comment Julie. The subjective/emotional, inner worlds of staff and providers when compared to those carrying a psychiatric label reflect such complex similarities and differences it seems to me. Providers and staff are trained and regimented, expected to hold certain beliefs while those of us in emotional distress have to find our way to meaning and freedom often on our own.
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Thank you Someone Else, for your great comment and sharing about yourself. So many children as you say and people of all ages are at risk for severe side effects- or as RD Laing said- “effects” of antipsychotics.
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Thanks Stephen- I agree with your comment very much. The irrational that was embraced in Greece and came via Dionysus, is so often infused with intense emotion that I see psychiatry as being tasked to control much of what isn’t logical and reasonable. But at what cost? Now 1 in 4 women in the US have a psychiatric diagnosis and are on medication for example.
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Thanks for writing GetItRight, I’m glad that MIA is a resource for diverse information and a counter balance to the huge output of research that supports the psychiatric neuroscience disease model paradigm.
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You are so right warmac- what you describe is a recipe for an extreme state process to begin. I’ve seen so many young people get overwhelmed at that crucial point in their lives, and Adderal and Ritalin block sleep and appetite which increases the risk.
Thanks for writing.
Best wishes, Michael
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I’m grateful for you too squash!
In solidarity,
Michael
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I’m very sorry the Wellbutrin made it even worse randall.
Thank you for writing.
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Hi Jasenn. Your father sure was wrong about you!
Thank you for writing.
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Great observation robertz! Every night our proud egos are swallowed up into the realm of sleep and dreams where all manner of unstoppable madness can take place unbidden. When I was mad it was like walking around in and through a waking dream- a nightmarish one.
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Hi Fiachra,
Thanks for writing, that’s a very interesting point- about people who aren’t mental health workers being more open to the possibility of having an extreme state experience.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you MichaelKohut for your valuable comment that draws on your experience as a provider and as someone who has experienced extreme states. I would have loved to work in the field with you too!
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you very much for sharing some of your personal story CatNight. Random life traumatic events as you say, can have very powerful impacts on any of us.
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Thank you for writing The_cat, and for giving examples of how random life losses and traumas can cause a person to go into extreme states. I know someone who was in a car accident where a friend was killed. It was too much for them and they got diagnosed bipolar.
I don’t think people diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder are immune from experiencing extreme states if they also experience too much trauma.
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Thank you Marie for sharing these 2 very clear examples of how life events, not some unproven underlying disease process, can dramatically effect any of us and tip us into extreme states.
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Thanks for writing Frank. Yes, seeing another human among humans before one has proven to be almost impossible for some providers if they can’t see through the veil of dogmatic and de-humanizing psychiatric disease theory that plays to their own hidden fears.
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Thank you for writing jimg- I think you’re right that sometimes an us vs them dynamic is there. Especially when providers see people they serve as extremely deviating from normality and in need of control and even forced medication etc.
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Oh Fred, I really hope everyone reads your comment. I know my article here has a limited focus and doesn’t speak to how the disease model of psychiatry too often gets operationalized in the damnable and horrific human rights abuses that were inflicted on you and countless others.
Thank you for telling that naked truth again.
Michael
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Hi Alex,
I hope people read your remarkable comment! Sometimes it seems to me that such potentially very damaging pronouncements like what your professor made about you, can effect us like a kind of curse unless we ward them off and push back as you so wonderfully did.
I’ve known about your creative work and big contributions for individuals and the greater good for some time. I hope that professor also knows about you and realizes how and why his belief system failed him.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you for writing catsimmons. I’m glad you met the counselor that believed in your future and gave you those great gifts as you say, of hope and self-empowerment.
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Thank you for your important comment margiealtman. For me it highlights the complex ways we can develop empathy or can be blocked from doing that.
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Thank you bpdtransformation, B.A. for your strong comment and for telling about how war or solitary prison confinement trauma can effect any of us by causing extreme states.
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Hi Sandy,
I believe we all are fallible and unconscious via cognitive dissonance and in other ways at times our whole lives. In this shame and guilt based culture I think the stakes are higher and the incentive to not let into awareness a mistake is heightened.
I recently saw a video clip where the legendary Bertam Karon, now in his nineties I believe, said that he confesses to his psychoanalytic students that every time he begins a session with a client, he feels a wave of anxiety and asks himself something like- “Who do I think I am to presume I can help this person in need?”
I felt relieved hearing that, because I always feel that way too- and yet you and I and so many others step into that room and try to do our best. Sometimes the stakes are very high.
Thank you for shining your light.
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Hi Paris, thanks for writing this wonderful article. When I would enter I-Ward everyday for over 3 years, the hair on my neck would stand up because I was walking into a palpable force field of un-medicated madness where up to 20 residents were in extreme states of emotional chaos and creative genius- it was a crucible where the collapsing myth forms of our western civilization were consumed in the fire of visionary and messianic zeal- where wild eyed prophets male and female shouted baleful warnings or paraded in full ecstatic rapture, at times naked bodies full of unbridled sexuality would be running down a hallway, high risks for impulsive self-destruction/suicide and unprovoked violent attacks were ever present.
Unseen spiritual, archetypal and psychic forces were uncannily at work. They were driving the level of emotional and numinous intensity.
It was a sacred space where the personal and the cultural norms were blown up and the transformations you describe took place.
We staff were basically midwives providing food clothing and shelter and love to those in mad convulsions of death and rebirth of old selves and old ways and old belief systems.
I wish I could have been with you when your eyes were seeing your unfolding vision.
That mad vision is now bearing it’s edible fruit in this article, your great book and your ongoing work.
We as a species are in a life and death zone- at a crossroads where the narrow values and barren vision of the past several thousand years of male dominance are either going to be radically altered by the emergence of a new myth form or Gaia will die at our hands.
But there isn’t enough latuda, zyprexia, lithium or haldol in the world to stop the visionary madness that is erupting, that will provide the emotional rocket fuel and irresistible images and spirit infused words that have always poured forth like mana when an aeon is dying and another is being birthed.
Love you, Michael
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Thanks for writing this article Jim. I hope my remarks below are of some value as we all seek to understand the lessons from Soteria Alaska.
I knew Loren Mosher, and co-led a workshop with him on first episode psychosis based on his experience with Soteria San Jose, and my follow-up research of the Diabasis House first episode med-free program, and my years of serving at the I-ward med-free first episode psychosis program in the early eighties. The whole rationale behind those three bay area programs was to divert the majority of people who first become psychotic from being in the system indefinitely as you say.
For the past 35 years I’ve specialized in serving people in extreme states as a therapist. I regularly serve people in their late teens and early twenties who are having their first psychotic episode who have had no contact with the mental health system and have not taken any meds- plus I see some who may have been psychotic and placed on meds for the first time in their late teens or early twenties, and want me to help them get off meds and integrate and heal from their life shattering experience.
So, I disagree with Susan Musante’s assessment that by the time someone is 18 and is becoming psychotic for the first time, they have necessarily been on meds for a number of years. That’s certainly not my experience.
The developmental glass ceiling of young adulthood that is the stressor that triggers almost all first episodes of psychosis to manifest between around 18 and 25, happens because the young person who is vulnerable from earlier trauma and childhood adversities becomes overwhelmed at college, or on their first job, or in the Army. or from the loss of their first love relationship- and generally is swamped by the huge, sink or swim existential and daunting task of attempting adult autonomy. Jay Haley called these first breaks a leaving home psychosis. They often happen with a rapid, dramatic onset with the young person having no previous contact with mental health services or meds.
From conversations with Daniel Mackler and other Soteria Alaska staff, I understand that there was a crucial lack of an ironclad MOU with the Alaska mental health administration that insured that every person who is identified at any portal of the system to be in a first break, be admitted at once to Soteria. That is what we had in place for I-ward and it insured our 20 bed residence was almost always full with young people in first episode psychosis. We were open for 8 years and diverted many hundreds of people from being in the system indefinitely. For the story of I-ward, see my MIA article- “Remembering a medication free madness sanctuary.”
Daniel Mackler even wrote here on MIA about his efforts several years after Soteria opened, to set up ad-hoc connections with individual psychiatrists at psych emergency to send Soteria first breaks.
I tried to urge Steven Morgan when he was setting up Soteria Vermont to take the necessary political action to get iron clad MOU’s with the state to send Soteria first breaks.
Without those iron clad MOU’s that in effect force staff psychiatrists by their bosses above them in the organization, to send first breaks from psych emergency and clinics to Soteria, the medical model standard of care that says every second someone is in psychosis, they are undergoing irreversible brain damage, will prevail- and the young person won’t be sent to Soteria.
The incredible political pressure by NAMI, psychiatry and pharma that forced the closings of Soteria San Jose, Diabasis and I-ward, accounts for the 45,000 acute hospital psych beds being the destination for almost every person who becomes psychotic for the first time.
If instead, those young people got to go through their process in a loving, med free setting and come out the other side- ‘weller than well” as Karl Menninger said, then a huge percentage of them would not be in the system indefinitely that shortens their lives by 25 years.
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Thank you for writing this important article Bob.
I remember a local Northern California chapter NAMI president telling me that NAMI had successfully lobbied the makers of the movie to have Nash’s character say he recovered because of the new antipsychotics- that if the movie producers dared to truthfully show he recovered without meds that they would have blood on their hands- because some people diagnosed with schizophrenia would commit suicide without their meds.
Nami has successfully used this same fear-mongering strategy to lobby every level of elected politicians to now have forced in-home treatment in 45 states and to push forward the second Murphy attempt to make forced community treatment the law of the land.
Michael
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Hi Sera, thanks for writing this great article on the big tent!
It reminded me that during the run up to the recent ISPS conference there was a very heated debate on the list serve about Dr. Lieberman having been invited to be a speaker on the plenary panel. Many of us writing opposed his involvement for some of the reasons you mention above. Lieberman had recently called critics of psychiatry- “self serving ideologues who are spreading scientific anarchy.”
It seemed to me the ISPS leaders who had invited Lieberman and supported him during the debate about him coming, embraced the big tent view that it is valuable to gather people with very opposing positions on psychiatric practices together. We finally were told Lieberman discovered he had a scheduling problem, and couldn’t make it. He has since expressed his contempt for those who dare to disagree with him, by publicly calling Bob Whitaker “a menace to society.”
There is another dimension to the big tent philosophy that also troubles me. It’s a kind of all embracing, ultimate diversity position that seems more like moral relativism in my view. It surprised me to recently hear it held by some prominent activists. It says that – “All models of understanding emotional distress and extreme states are equal- therefore its not being fair to see the medical model as any less valuable a paradigm than a social/interpersonal or trauma informed model.”
I raised the evidence of the documented harm done by the medical model, but was told that I still was “not being sophisticated if I singled out the medical model as less valuable.”
Some aspects of the big tent philosophy seem rather surreal if not Orwellian to me.
Best wishes,
Michael
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I agree Bob, that individual psychiatrists are motivated to do good. They wanted to become doctors to serve. But as you say, they have been indoctrinated. Even before med school the bio-medical model and the standard of care tied to DSM diagnoses is what they, as members of the general public have been taught is true.
Once in med school, and then onto psychiatric specialty training, their training takes place in an almost airtight echo chamber.
Every day for 28 years I worked as a therapist alongside well-meaning psychiatrists on treatment teams at a large public mental health system. Most of them were shocked to hear for the first time that alternative ways of understanding and treating their patient’s suffering even existed. Some took it as good news, some took it as irresponsible, some went as far as Dr. Lieberman and Torrey in denouncing dissident providers like me as dangerous spreaders of false science.
But I sill keep telling psychiatrists about Soteria, I-ward, Diabasis and Open dialogue. Sometimes it pays off. A chief psychiatrist of a large HMO recently went back after a weekend training I did on alternatives, and shared the message with all of his psychiatrist co-workers.
Thank you again Bob, and Lisa Cosgrove for your great new book!
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Thank you Joe, for doing the necessary detective work to expose Lieberman’s and Torrey’s dishonesty. I’m enjoying the idea of them both reading your article, which I’m sure they have by now!
Please check out my MIA article -“Remembering a medication free madness sanctuary” to see how a loving sanctuary is a better descriptor than asylum for the healing setting you describe. We used no diagnosis, meds or restraints on the 20 bed, open door I-Ward sanctuary I served at for several years.
You also might enjoy my website- “What is Madness?” at michaelcornwall.com
Best wishes,
Michael
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I’m very grateful Bob for your continued work to address the damage done by psychiatry, not just to individual lives, but now showing it as a failed medical specialty and monolithic social institution, that has corrupted our very democratic social contract- and even re-defined human nature and human suffering as shot through with incipient pathology.
But as psychiatry has used science to carry out this betrayal, I have for decades seen science itself as the willing host vehicle that psychiatry has fed off of, and has relied on as psychiatry mutated into the powerful creature it has become.
Science has been the legitimizing social institution and vehicle for psychiatry even mastering electoral politics- to where now legislation allows forced in home treatment in almost all our states. This hegemony at every turn, has been documented as the operationalizing of the latest science.
Isn’t the almost sacrosanct historical institution of western science itself the larger “barrel” that psychiatry has grown out of like a hydra?
With a fundamentalist zeal, our culture believes in a reified empiricism, and has tithed untold billions at the altar of science, fervently building an edifice that makes the centuries of cathedral building in Europe seem puny.
Let’s dare to look at science itself as a betrayer of the human spirit. How much has Apollo’s victory over Dionysus, Descarte’s victory over Rousseau cost us all?
The lamentations of the human heart fall on the deaf ears of sterile science and it’s offspring psychiatry.
Jung said that psychiatry has turned the gods into diseases. He also said if he had lived in the middle ages he would have been burned as a heretic.
I think part of the solution to rectifying the sins of psychiatry, is exercising some heresy against the soulless science that spawned and sustains it.
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Thank you dear friend Asherah for bravely and eloquently sharing your story of suffering, healing and transformation. Your voice is a wonderful addition to the chorus of souls here on MIA!
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you for your informative and valuable comments, Postprandial75. I appreciate your contribution to this discussion. Best wishes, Michael
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Peter, I agree that the tragic diagnosing and drugging of children should be banned. Thank you again for boldly standing up for the victims of psychiatric injury. You have proven again that you are the fearless conscience of psychiatry my friend.
Best wishes,
Michael
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That is funny Michael- but not surprising because it’s pretty clear Dr. Liebeman is willing to fudge or forget the facts in this damage control, bare knuckle political process of trying to discredit and silence critics of psychiatry.
Thanks for your comment and I hope everyone reads your 2 great articles here on MIA!
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thanks for your comment Daryl. I think that the huge usage of prescribed drugs of every kind is proof of the enormously successful business plan of the drug companies. It’s nice to hear that your father saw the problem very clearly.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you chrisreed for this and your other great comments here- good point about people who oppose altered food also being called anti-science. It’s the new thought crime.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you Jeremy, for your great comment rebuking Dr. Lieberman about his distorted view of science!
I’m very glad to see you writing here on MIA, and am moved and heartened by your remarkably open and inspiring first 2 articles. I hope everyone reads them too.
Since I completed it, I’ve been planning to get my article here into Dr. Lieberman’s hands. Once there, I hope he reads down to your comment- which I imagine would elicit a pang of outrage to see a fellow psychiatrist take him to task. I know he has a special judgement for those fellow MD’s who don’t see things his way and instead stray from psychiatric orthodoxy.
But you may in fact earn a place on his list of apostates that include beloved friend Peter Breggin.
Finally, I felt a pang of recognition when you revealed in your MIA article, “On Becoming Critical,” that the main feature of your dark night of the soul was massive fear. That hell of super charged terror was my daily portion during my experience of un-medicated madness almost 50 years ago. I describe that life altering passage in my first blog article here on MIA titled- “Initiatory Madness.”
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Michael
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Thank you for your comment madincanada- best wishes to you and your son. I’m grateful for madinamerica too- its a community that is making our hopes for a better future a reality.
Michael
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Thank you for both of your comments Someone Else. I appreciated your information about anti-psychotics and dopamine in your first comment. I didn’t understand what you meant in the last two paragraphs about the two original educated professions.
Thank you for expanding on that in your second comment. I was grateful that part of my work as a therapist was to serve children and teens who were victims of sexual abuse, and their families for 20 years. I’m very sorry your child was abused and see your courage to speak out for justice.
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You’re welcome schizoaffective- and I’m really grateful for what you are sharing with us all. What you said above about what Bob Whitaker has done and is doing for us is beautiful and true.
We are all in this together- comrades in a human rights struggle is what it means to me.
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I agree B-
and thank you for all your great comments in this discussion!
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I very much second Richard’s great suggestion Maladjusted, about more broadly sharing your very valuable comment above, and if possible to tell your narrative on MIA if you feel moved to do that.
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Thank you Copy_cat. The 4 sentences in your comment says it all.
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Thank you for your wonderful comment DrRomesh, I can see why you had to laugh!
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Thank you for your very powerful and eloquent comment Maladjusted. It contains volumes of very important truth in just a few paragraphs.
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Thank you Kim for your comment that really is super clear about our healthy need to resist whatever psychiatry imposes that doesn’t help us.
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Thank you econowicz, for your comment that lists the many real elements that can impinge on us that can cause emotional distress.
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Thank you Annet, Steve and uprising for your very valuable comment exchange!
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Hi David, Thank you for your as usual, very thought provoking comment!
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I agree wileywitch about giving respect being essential – thank you for your comment.
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Thank you Aria, for sharing about your painful experiences with psychiatry and your wise words.
I’m grateful you bring your voice to MIA. We all benefit from hearing you.
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Hi Duane,
I love your tutorial on the faulty logic used by psychiatry!
Good to hear from you my friend.
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Michael
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Thank you Danny S.
I agree with you about not giving anarchy a bad name- please see my response to Andrew above. For me anarchy has always been equated with personal freedom and personal sovereignty and responsibility. Lieberman misuses the term to label critics of psychiatry as self-serving foes of science and orthodox psychiatry.
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Thank you Andrew. I think of myself as a self-defined anarchist along the lines you describe. I believe Lieberman misuses the definition of anarchism to create an epithet, that paints critics as dishonest opportunists worthy of being scorned, if not silenced, for not adhering to dogmatic psychiatric orthodoxy.
If he would have had his way, Dr. Luhrmann’s article never would have appeared in the NY Times.
Your articles and comments on MIA are great!
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Thanks Dan!
I imagine soon after Insel said that bombshell about no bio proof to base a DSM diagnosis on, that Lieberman got furious and as APA president, pressured Insel into their joint memo about the DSM still being the gold standard.
Bless you Dan- and Leah, Oryx and the team at NEC for all you do- especially the daily battle over the Murphy legislation,
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Michael
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Thanks John-
You’ve been standing up for people who needed help for a long time. Here’s to the coming future when pompous and dismissive psychiatrists like the one you encountered are out of business.
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Thank you Carina-
I hope everyone will check out your great articles here on MIA to see how heart centered approaches to helping people can happen!
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Michael
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I totally agree with what you say about being seen as second class Alex! Reminds me I have an article here on MIA called- “Does the psychiatric diagnosis process qualify as a degradation ceremony?”
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Hi Frank,
Thank you for reading and your comment.
Dr. Lieberman still embracing the DSM as the “gold standard” unfortunately sends the message to the public that psychiatry is still the authority on diagnosis and treatment.
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Thanks Ted! Some people are still wondering how George Bush got elected twice too.
I think Lieberman was very well known for his beliefs before he ran for APA president and was chosen because the majority of psychiatrists share his prejudices.
That’s part of the larger rationale for writing this article- and I’m still waiting for a chorus of psychiatrists to distance themselves from Lieberman’s demagoguery.
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Michael
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Thank you Alex. Your moving personal comment makes real, how the enormous failures of empathy that often happen when we are related to as second class beings due to our perceived pathology, are then compounded by actual hostility being turned on us if we dare to speak up- and say we are being mistreated by psychiatry in general or a psychiatrist who we are face to face with.
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Michael
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Thank you Natalie, for sharing this very valuable essay here on MIA! Bringing your cross-cultural field experience and unique perspective as a medical anthropologist, adds an important ingredient to the diverse mix of MIA writers and commenters.
It’s heartening to hear that some psychiatrists in India that you interviewed, assume recovery for people going through extreme states, given the norm here in the US that psychiatrists assume a lifelong pathological impairment.
Best wishes, and welcome to MIA!
Michael
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Thank you amnesia, for these links to valuable resources.
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Not by a country mile dear friend- but thank you.
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Its great to hear from you Duane. I’m with you on the value of what works to claim the present moments that give us respite from past nightmare. If I can find ways to breathe easy now, I don’t have to flashback into the horror zone.
As ever, your friend in this life.
Michael
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Thank you for your reply to amnesia’s comment Fred Abbe- and for sharing some of your lived experience too of suffering the effects of ECT, and your wise advice that we must appreciate our being alive while we still are.
I appreciate your very supportive words about the video!
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Michael
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Hi amnesia, please try to pace yourself as you share your story more now, to avoid re-traumatizing yourself. You have been through so much. Telling our stories connect us inside to the painful memories and the profound sorrow we feel for ourselves. I hope you find rest and ease tonight.
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Michael
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Thank you for your very powerful and valuable sharing here amnesia. I hope many people read it. I remember us talking briefly in Toronto at the Pychosis 2.0 conference. I was struck by your comment here being such a proof of how the psychiatric medical model rules out our human birthright gifts of psychic ability and visionary experience. Thank you again for telling of your harrowing journey with ECT and meds that were harmful.
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You’re welcome and thank you Alex. I agree that modern life is so stressful that trying to be present with ourselves and others is a constant daily or hourly or minute by minute challenge.
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Michael
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Thank you RISN for your generous comment. I looked at the RISN website and it looks like a wonderful service you all are providing.
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Michael
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Thank you Laysha for this very powerful article. Weaving your revealing analysis of the multi-layered political forces at work that are destroying almost any confidence in the NIH and NIMH, with your understated pain about what you were subjected to by the “systems,” is both very moving and is a call to renewed activism.
Thank you too for describing yourself in your bio as having lived experience in the psychiatric, family court, special education and disability systems. It’s a needed reminder of how there is a comprehensive Kafkaesque world that closes around people both young and old to hold them in a net of control, if they deviate from arbitrary social norms. But what kind of a society is at work here, when as you say, from the president on down, we who deviate are subjected to the full weight of a monolithic rejection of who we are in our full humanity for a truncated version defined by so-called experts.
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I just saw Your comment B. Sorry for the delay. We aren’t doing an internet link for this gathering. I just posted a blog today here though on MIA that has a video covering some of the content I will be sharing at Esalen.
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Thank you for your comment uprising. I know it is important to honor the personal religious beliefs of everyone. The majority of Americans believe that a hell realm exists as a possible afterlife existence. I’ve seen many people in extreme states and in the emotional suffering of anxiety and depression, struggle with the sense of an innate existential unworthiness, that may result in them going to hell. I think it is valid to have a conversation about the personal and culture shaping beliefs we have that may impact how we view and value ourselves. Some of those beliefs are conveyed to us by social institutions like our religious, political and even science based institutions like psychiatry.
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Hi All,
This video on helping people in extreme states was first aired at the Mandala Project workshop at the Alternatives Conference on October 23rd, 2014.
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Michael
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Thank you for the great quote from The Birth Of Tragedy- and for reading this essay Laura!
Nietzche’s hymn to Dionysus and the loosening, liberating power of the instinctual and irrational always has a tonic effect when I read it.
A couple of days ago I was feeling the need to read The Birth of Tragedy again!
In The Bacchae, Euripides has King Pentheus threatening to lock the wild and barrier breaking Dionysus in an iron cage. That impulse to stifle freedom, has always seemed the ground plan of psychiatry to me- to imprison and control our rampant emotional expressions via incarceration and med induced subjugation,
I hope everyone checks out your wonderful website- Laurakkerr.com for your great blog and original writings!
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Hi Joanna,
Thank you for broadening this discussion to include the dimension of how the patriarchal mono myth that surrounds us, that grows out of western culture’s embrace of the Genesis creation story, may effect us psychologically. It reminded me of Joseph Campbell’s provocative statement- “Our story of the Fall in the Garden sees nature as corrupt; and that myth corrupts the whole world for us. Because nature is thought of as corrupt, every spontaneous act is sinful and must not be yielded to. You get a totally different civilization and a totally different way of living according to whether your myth presents nature as fallen or whether nature is itself a manifestation of divinity, and the spirit is the revelation of the divinity that is inherent in nature.”
Many people I’ve seen in therapy over the past 35 years have felt bad about themselves, partially because they believed they carried the stain of original sin, that at their core, they were lacking in inherent goodness and innocence- as they were taught by their parents and religious leaders.
Michael
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Thank you for your great comment NewPC! I appreciate your idea that this article serves to turn the tables on psychiatry a bit.
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Hi B., Thank you for your important comment and for your contributions to this blog discussion.
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BrianSpittles, I hope everyone reads this very illuminating comment by you! It really captures a level of insight we all can benefit from considering.
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Thanks for your comment AgniYoga, that sterile, impersonal- “clinical gaze” is not what we need to encounter when we are in emotional distress.
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You’re welcome travailler-vous. Thank you for your valuable contributions to this discussion,
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It’s very important when psychiatrists like you Jeremy, and Stuart Shipko above, weigh-in about your experiences with the negative impact on people of the DSM diagnostic process-and the importance of offering compassion for those in need.
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Dear Dorothy,
When I see the photos of you as a young girl, surrounded by those god-awful clinical cold words describing you- and the staff’s blase’ phrases proving their harmful abuse of you- it makes me shake my head in grief and anger.
Thank you again my friend for helping me know we must never stop fighting against such wrong doing.
Love, Michael
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Thank you very much Ute for sharing your very valuable story of how you made it through so much and have accomplished what others thought was not possible. I’m grateful and feel inspired to see how you have persevered and kept your creative self free!
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Thank you Dorothy. I hope everyone reads your recent blog post- “Behind Locked Doors” and your other very valuable essays on MIA. Your harrowing and inspiring story, and your wise message for us all about the need for compassionate help, is a source of constant inspiration to me.
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Thank you for writing here kpalka, about your experiences as a naturopathic doctor helping people with their varied health needs. I’m glad you discovered MIA!
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Hi Alex,
Thank you for your valuable comments. I welcome your views in this discussion and appreciate hearing about your alternative ways of helping people.
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Dan, I hope everyone opens your comment to see the great list of very valuable links about diagnosis and about innovative approaches to helping people in emotional distress you have shared with us. Thank you very much.
Your thought provoking comment about the validity of DSM diagnosis prompted this train of thought for me-
As far as I know, if my general practitioner prescribes me medication for a health problem like asthma for instance, there is a requirement by my insurance carrier, be it Medicare, or Medicaid or Blue Cross, that the prescription is legally given based on a valid medical diagnosis that my GP can justify because certain diagnostic tests have taken place and are documented in my patient chart. In other words, no valid, documented diagnosis, no prescription, and also if no diagnosis, then no insurance payment to my GP for his time spent prescribing asthma medication for me.
It has always struck me that so many prescriptions for psych drugs are written by licensed MD’s that are paid for by public healthcare dollars and private insurance carriers, for which nothing resembling a true medical diagnosis has been established. It is surreal in a nightmarish way.
It speaks to the level of incredible political and corporate power that has been wielded to create the social institution of modern psychiatry. I want to say that what is happening with psychiatric treatment being done for which there is no medical diagnosis or justification is fraud.
But who is being de-frauded? The government? All the insurance entities both public and private? No, because our elected officials, from the president on down, the FDA, the justice department and all the insurance entities are in on it, they condone it, collude with it and perpetuate it.
I guess the only people who are victims of medical malpractice and fraud are the American people.
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Michael
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Hi B, thanks for this powerful comment. Running the gauntlet of professionals committed to finding what is wrong with a person ala the DSM, is a very disorienting process as you say- gaslighting really sums it up. I have an article here on MIA that you might like called – “Is the psychiatric diagnosis process a degradation ceremony?” In it I explore the process of the public and subjective identity shift that happens when a DSM label is applied.
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Thanks Marlop for your valuable comment and questions. I agree that taking a non-pathologizing approach shouldn’t mean minimizing or papering over the intensity of someone’s emotional distress. In my experience, since I don’t posit a genetic, brain disease causation for emotional distress and extreme states, then those experiences have always proven to make sense to me- I see them happening on a continuum of normality because I believe we all are capable of them given the right conditions.
When I hear someone’s story about what contributes to their distress or madness, it adds up, makes sense- even people who have made and survived extremely lethal suicide attempts.
The western medical model for physical problems certainly isn’t perfect, and also relies too much on a one size fits all approach that often ignores the whole person and alternative healing approaches.
The medicalization of emotional distress has proven to be an incalculable mistake in my opinion. A glaring example of why the psychiatric medical model is so damaging, is just yesterday the center for disease control issued an alert, reporting that an estimated 10,000 toddlers in the United States between the ages of 2-3 have been diagnosed with ADHD and are taking stimulant drugs like Ritalin and Adderall off label as prescribed by their pediatricians.
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Hi again John,
Thank you for sharing this very sad and telling example here of how it works when the quest is to find out via DSM diagnosis, what is “wrong”- vs. being with someone compassionately as they explore what has happened to them.
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Thank you travailler-vous, for your thoughtful comment. I agree with your so clearly saying- “it is transparently inappropriate for clinicians to set questions of personal experience, feeling, and value aside in response to their client’s perhaps incapacitating emotional distress.”
My Army service was stateside driving a field ambulance, and it would have been inappropriate for me as you say, to put my feelings first when caring for someone seriously injured in an emergency medical situation. Those experiences as a young man always made me see that there was a great problem with psychiatry saying that what they were doing was equivalent to what physical medical care does.
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Michael
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Hi Copy_cat, thank you for telling us about how in dual diagnosis services, the same error could be made by those who would focus in on what is wrong with someone’s brain instead of what has or is happening in their lives.
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Thank you RISN for this important comment. I agree that the mystery of our life on earth and the inter connectedness of all that exists is our birthright to explore- and how truncated the vision of human nature has become, that seeks to reduce our mysterious nature via the medicalization of experience, imagining the depths of our soul journey can fit into a cookbook of so-called psychopathology.
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Thank you B for sharing this painful and very telling example of how a mental heath professional totally fails to be of help, and instead is blaming and judgmental.
It highlights how as you say, when they are so hell bent on finding what is wrong with you, that the human connection with them becomes impossible.
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Thank you Someone Else for sharing about your traumatic experience of being stigmatized instead of being assisted. A great deal was happening in your life that was overlooked by those who should have been there for you in ways that helped you.
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Thank you jonnylucid, MLuster and B for your valuable contributions to the discussion! Your sharing about the nature of consciousness, reminds me I wrote a couple of essays here on madinamerica you might be interested in about the primary role of emotion in creating our thoughts, words, imagery and symbolic self expression.
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Thank you Stuart. I hope everyone reads your article here on MIA called – “Psychiatry as a Mixed Blessing”
In that article you share that you have practiced emergency medicine where people’s lives hung in the balance, depending on how accurately you could diagnose their condition- and as you say above, a psychiatric diagnosis process can be destructive instead of equally imperative, can add to the emotional distress and demoralization of a person.
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Thank you Sally, for your valuable comment. I agree that there are many scenarios where it would be helpful for physical care providers to be more openly caring.
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AC400KICK, I’m glad you listened to your own inner wisdom!
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Thank you for your comment Fiachra!
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Thank you so much Laurie for sharing your truth about what you went through and still are going through. There is a huge barrier of denial about the destructive effects of psychiatric drugs. I suppose if that wall of denial ever collapses, we could see them finally be taken off the market, as the FDA should have done a long time ago.
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Michael
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Thank you Julie, for telling about the harrowing experience your husband went through withdrawing from Abilify after the unfathomable loss of your beloved Anna. That telling adds to the evidence of a great wrong being done to many of us when we are most vulnerable.
As a society, I don’t think we can measure the scope of the loss of life and the destruction of human possibility brought about by these psychiatric medications. We are in the middle of a great human catastrophe and can’t see yet how much incredible damage is being done.
This minute, someone with a medical license is prescribing Abilify to a grieving parent, someone is prescribing Abilify for a 4 year old girl who is going through emotional pain for reasons that should be obvious.
Our culture has a ban on emotional truth that these drugs enforce.
I do hope our paths cross again in this struggle my friend. We tried to make a worthy project happen that could have tipped the scales. More opportunities to make a difference always will appear.
I am mourning your loss.
Sincerely, Michael
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NewPC, I hope everyone reads your comment that is bringing tears to my eyes as I read it.
Your loved one was not a diagnosis or a scientific statistic. How far we have come as a culture to where our beloved ones who are lost are tallied as a number in a drug side effect study. And, when their visible suffering is not the occasion for professionals to vow to never give a substance that visibly harms and can even bring about a wrongful death again.
Thank you for sharing the truth and your grief with us. It hastens the day when these drug caused deaths are stopped once and for all.
Gratefully, Michael
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Thank you again Naas, for being the catalyst for this article, and for your very valuable comment that opens up even more important questions about how we can both deal with, and benefit from our experiences during extreme states- whether during med withdrawal or not.
I’m very glad you weathered your deep journey into the dimensions of trauma and transformation you describe above, my friend.
I hope everyone will also read your inspiring and powerful, June 2012 in-depth telling of your personal story that you shared here on MIA.
I believe this article on medication withdrawal has sparked some helpful discussions, here on MIA and on Facebook, thanks to you supporting me posting it.
With gratitude,
Michael
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B, I remember years ago when it was revealed that NAMI had a team of full time professional political strategists advising them that was salaried by pharma. As I said earlier, the local NAMI members don’t get a cent personally from pharma, but imagine how full time, world class political strategists have worked in every area of designing the NAMI grass roots ground game and national political campaign.
That political strategy so far is victorious in getting forced treatment laws passed in 45 states, plus the docfix bill Obama recently signed, and that professionally crafted political strategy now threatens to get Murphy’s legislation passed.
The pharmaceutical industry has carried out the most successful business plan in corporate American history since Henry Ford. Their amazingly successful drug distribution business model must be the envy of the kingpins who head up the illegal
drug cartels.
Thanks for the great NAMI links B!
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Thanks again B and Leah for opening up this thread with good ideas about media resources. I wonder if local progressive stations across the country like KPFA in the bay area, would be more likely to carry our story than the big shows like Democracy Now? Peter Breggin blogs on Huff Post, maybe he could do a piece on the Murphy legislation to counter Jaffe’s propaganda- I will ask Peter about doing it.
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Great comment Jonathan! Man you nailed it. If it feels that the whole country is in a dazed state of denial about the issues you raised, maybe it’s because one in 4 women are now taking psych drugs and one in five of all of us in the US are taking psych drugs. The illegal drug cartel kingpins must marvel at the successful drug distribution business model that big pharma has perfected.
Thank you Johnathan for weighing in here and for your great articles on MIA!
Michael
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Thank you AA for your valuable advice and the great link for withdrawal friendly psychiatrists. Altostrata who is the administrator of that site is a very expert resource on drug withdrawal.
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Thank you Someone Else for this very disturbing report about your experience contacting 24 mental health service organizations seeking help as you describe. All they offered was hospitalization even for a child.
Your report adds strong evidence that the professional standard of care for adults and children needing to reduce or withdraw from antipsychotics, is really a standard of care that is grossly negligent in my opinion.
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You are very welcome AC400KICK. I’m glad the Icarus Project may be a resource for you and where you can support people too as you say.
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Thank you Helen for your important comment and links to more information, I appreciate your contribution to this discussion.
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Thank you for your thought provoking comment Prisoners Dilemma.
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Thank you AC400KICK, for your valuable contribution to this discussion. It’s great that you will be off of AOT soon since you don’t want the injectable. I hope that you will find every resource and support you need to realize your goals. I understand there is a strong Icarus Project presence in some parts of New York. Do you know of it? Icarus founder Sascha Dubrul who writes here on MIA is in Brooklyn. They have a great website too.
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Thank you Dawn for sharing very useful, personal information here that will help readers gain additional knowledge about drug withdrawal. I’m very glad you and your daughter were able to find, and coach providers in crucial ways to get some of your daughters needs met. Doing that as you are showing us, is part of the learning curve we all face too- how to get health plans and prescribers to shift their practices to really bring us the care we need.
Will Hall’s Harm Reduction Guide and Peter Breggin’s new book, Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal, are great resources for increasing our self-help knowledge.
Thank you for offering to help Jay Mahler, me and the Bay Area Mandala Project get some doors open on new and vitally needed services! You have my email address- let’s talk soon.
Your Contra Costa County former co-worker,
Michael
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Thank you for your informative personal comment wileywitch. I’m glad this discussion is providing some useful information.
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Your friend was very fortunate to have your support while she withdrew from medications. Thanks for sharing with us AgniYoga.
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Thank you Fiachra for telling about your recovery and experiences withdrawing from antipsychotics.
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Hi Rossa,
I wonder if there isn’t a growing number of psychiatrists who know that some people are going to need more support than they can offer them to withdraw from Abilify and other antipsychotics. I have heard from so many people these days who have unsuccessfully tried withdrawal at home, and now are saying they believe they need a supportive 24/7 residential program to really do it.
Here in the SF Bay Area, a group of us activists are developing plans and proposals for a Soteria style sanctuary, plus a harm reduction residential place where people can withdraw from meds with all the wellness and holistic supports they may need. We have been well received by the county mental heath administrators and non-profit service providers we may partner with, that we have shared our developing proposals with.
Your son has built a very good self care regimen as you say, and you are a remarkably supportive and informed parent. Even so, the 24/7 assistance you both may need to walk him through complete withdrawal may be hard to find right now. An in home team of 24/7 support is difficult to maintain.
Thank you for your valuable comment Rossa. There needs to be allot more attention paid to this problem of withdrawal from antipsychotics and other psych meds, especially given that one in four women in the US are prescribed psych meds, and one in five of the total population, are taking psych meds.
Michael
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Thank you for that very important clarification and update Matthew. The fatalistic response of medical doctors rarely supporting antipsychotic med withdrawal, and as you say, also not supporting opiate withdrawal as an emerging standard of care, does raise questions of expediency and self interest.
Isn’t the preservation of the medical model paradigm advanced when again, as you say- the body’s chemistry is viewed as something to indefinitely be managed externally via prescribed medications? Don’t physicians who can see several patients an hour for medication management have a vested interest in people continuing on meds, whether suboxone or Abilify? Of course the drug makers and drug stores profit from every prescription that is filled.
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I agree with what you are saying Sinead. When people are harmed by injurious treatment, there needs to be legal consequences.
Michael
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Thank you Fred for this very good sounding natural remedy.
I will try it!
Michael
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A very good question Sinead, thank you. I am imagining laws being passed that prohibit forced community treatment in each state that has forced community treatment laws- or those force laws being found unconstitutional. I’m not sure what variety or scope of a law would have prevented Justina from being in the situation she is in, but the outcry about what has happened to her has a similar level of public outrage that was present in Laura’s law being passed in New York.
Maybe a Justina’s law could be a historic marker of the tide turning in the struggle to stop forced psychiatric treatment in many of it’s forms. This all is happening now against the backdrop of the UN equating forced treatment with torture.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you for sharing this Juliemadblogger. I’m very glad you bravely beat the odds, and received some needed caring from someone who believed in you. Would you please share the titles of your books here with us? I imagine your writing is from the heart and soul.
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Thank you for your moving and revealing comment acidpop5. I hope everyone reads it to see how the mistreatment you received still effects you and your quality of life 20 years later. How many countless people have a very similar, wrongly inflicted burden to bear? I believe you are speaking for them too.
Michael
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Thank you Fred!
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B, those are great ideas about Democracy Now and Youtube channels like Young Turks being media outlets where our movement’s advocacy could be heard and seen.
Thank you,
Michael
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Please count me as your dedicated ally in the days and months and perhaps years ahead Leah.
I’m glad you got to be at the MLK memorial today. That is one place I would like to be at someday. He surely would have stood with us and deeply recognized what human rights are at stake for us and so many people we care about.
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Great quote B! I remember Bertrand Russell was one of the very first prominent people to come out against the Viet Nam war, and was roundly attacked by many. He opened the war crimes tribunal on Viet Nam in 1967 by saying- “We are not judges. We are witnesses. Our task is to make mankind bear witness to these terrible crimes and to unite humanity on the side of justice in Viet Nam.”
I have seen 4 year old little children so medicated with anti-psychotic drugs that they drool and slur their words and stumble when they walk.
We are more than witnesses. We are the ones who will fight to stop forced treatment of our innocent children and everyone else
who isn’t given a choice to say no.
Michael
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I agree B, that coming back to fight the system that has traumatized one can itself be re-traumatizing. That is another good reason why mutual support is so important for those of us engaged in this struggle.
Thanks for your comment,
Michael.
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Thank you John- I agree that all the ingredients necessary for an effective political ground game to reform the mental health system are really like what we see in any successful political campaign.
best wishes, Michael
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Yes AGniYoga, I agree that a huge unmet need is for more and more people to be able to spend time with another person who lovingly listens and cares about their suffering and their needs. It’s pretty simple. Maybe too simple in this age of psychiatry becoming applied neuroscience.
If I am really terrified, hearing voices, seeing things and haven’t slept for a long time as I was in my madness days, would I really go to a doctor and ask-“Please, may I have some applied neuroscience, please help me, I can’t take this anymore.”
Where is the love and comfort in applied neuroscience?
In 1966 my loving, aged grandmother would be sitting in her chair- and when the voices and terror in me would be unbearable I would go sit at her feet as I did as a little boy and ask her- “Grandma, will you put your hand on my head again please?” And she always would put her hand on my head and sometimes say, “I’m sorry you are sick Michael. you must have the flu dear.” But I didn’t have the flu- or schizophrenia or bipolar. I had a broken heart and an almost broken spirit.
That kind of loving care she saved me with is what I want in my hours of need and what I want to give others in theirs.
When all is said and done about politics and ways to make it better for people, we know how much pain we here in this discussion have endured and why we want to help it be relieved for others.
Michael
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Thank you kris10joleen, for your eloquent comment that adds to this discussion. Hearing your commitment to speaking truth to power helps to bolster mine.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you oldhead for your very valuable contributions to this discussion, and the must read links to Ted’s essay on movement history, and the historic 1982 statement of principles on Mindfreedom.org.
Best wishes,
Michael
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It’s great what you are doing Russerford! You are bringing a message of hope to counter the usual one of no hope, and helping people who are in real need who are searching for answers. Your presence in NAMI I believe acts as a leaven that helps transform the organization, just like Keris is doing. I wish you would write an op-ed here on MIA to describe your service and activism.
Thank you for your comment.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thanks for sharing that human rights, civil disobedience song Subvet416.
Michael
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Thanks copy_Cat for sharing those phone numbers.
Michael
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I hear you Nancy. What is happening with Justina has mobilized people to the degree that a Justina’s law should be in the realm of possibility. You are doing great work there.
We all have the right to choose who we are morally willing to cast our fate with in this struggle, who we will embrace as allies.
I don’t know enough about some controversial potential allies like the CCHRR or the Liberty counsel to join forces with them today, but I agree that having the broadest coalition possible is what it is going to take to reverse the forced treatment laws.
Thank you for your important comment.
Michael
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Great questions Richard, and a valuable challenge to those of us who have spent decades in the belly of the beast of public mental health systems competing with the NAMI led alliance I described- and since I am urging people here to do even more of that!
I remember from the 60’s the debate of peaceful civil disobedience, and electoral politics vs the Malcom X, Stokeley Carmichael, Black Panther call to revolution- “by any means necessary.”
I recently met with some people discussing how we could be part of the underground railroad that helps people move across legal jurisdictions who are under court ordered in-home treatment. I said- remembering my days as a Viet Nam war protester, “Isn’t it time that a bunch of us activists are filmed getting arrested and handcuffed for helping people get free of forced treatment?”
Because I agree with you, that a hard core vanguard group can inspire public conscience in a way that the grind of lobbying politicians can’t.
But don’t we need both to be happening?
I guess that underground railroad action still would be civil disobedience ala King and many Viet Nam resisters that went to jail for defying the draft.
The Occupy movement did a more intense version lately as they took over various public and private locations.
What do you envision needs to happen now Richard, to create the kind of vanguard presence you believe we need? I feel you may have a manifesto and more at your fingertips.
With respect, Michael
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Right now, as the Murphy legislation is being considered Marielutz, I would urge everyone to go ahead and contact their elected representatives in congress, and if possible go and be heard in person when your reps are back home in town. If there are activist groups in your community you could check them out. Psychrights is a national organization that you could support, and the National Empowerment Center and Mindfreedom and the Icarus Project are awesome too. My fledgling website michaelcornwall.com has some links. Supporting Mad in America is a great political opportunity too!
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you Phillip. Your invaluable writings help us move in that direction.
Michael
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Thank you Fiachra, the widespread sharing of truthful information about recovery is greatly needed to inform the public about what is possible.
Michael
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Yes uprising,
Support for people coming off psych drugs is an enormous unmet need. I get contacted very often by people asking for help finding resources for coming off meds.
One in five people are prescribed psych meds but support for people who want to come off them is almost non-existent.
Thanks for your comment,
Michael
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Absolutely HH! We need recovery oriented, hope based locally available support groups in equal numbers to those provided by NAMI.
Thanks for your comment.
Michael
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Yes Ted, we need to recruit more people from the millions who have experienced forced treatment, and also their family members like the county supervisor in Oakland you witnessed, who dramatically voted against forced treatment because a loved one had been through it.
Best wishes, Michael
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I agree Leah,
NAMI is not the enemy, but it seems fair to say we are political opponents when it comes to forced treatment given the National NAMI campaign agenda on forced treatment.
There are many NAMI members waiting for the good news about choice and alternatives that we need to reach out to- like you did at the hearing yesterday. At one point one of our strongest allies here in the bay area was a local NAMI chapter president who supported a Soteria House proposal that Jay Mahler and I and our coalition got funding for. NAMI can be an invaluable political ally when common ground is shared- and we can learn allot from their political ground game playbook.
Great thanks for your service and Dan, Oryx and all at NEC!
Michael
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I know what you are saying Rossa, can any political movement claim to be grassroots if it is bankrolled by enormous corporate interests? The huge number of local NAMI members I know are selfless political activists that never get a cent from pharma. They tirelessly go to lobby every tier of the political and mental health administrative infrastructure in their towns and counties and states. That has been the genius of their political ground game. I guess I see those local NAMI members as grass roots activists because of them making up the rock solid base of an almost unstoppable political alliance.
Yes, with that new Supreme court decision even more money will be pumped into our already corrupt political process.
Thanks for your comment Rossa,
Michael
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This is really good to hear Sharon. That’s wonderful that you built your own sandtray! There is something magical, it seems to me to see how the sand tray work and dreams bring a level of deeper truth into the room- for both the dreamer and sand tray explorer- and for us too, who receive their creations.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you Fred Abbe for sharing your valuable healing and/or resistance resources.
I appreciate learning about what helps you that may also help me and others in the days ahead.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you again ColinB897 for your important contributions to this ongoing discussion. Examining the broad social, interpersonal and personally subjective processes involved in how mega social institutions are gradually evolved, and then may be gradually or dramatically transformed, is very valuable as we think about how psychiatry may be effected by a revolutionary process of change.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thanks again Seth for your wise and thoughtful contributions to this conversation about the care of our children and the future of psychiatry as a social institution. I’d hoped this article would prompt such a conversation with MIA writers like you and Chrys, and the other commenters. It has been well received on Facebook, with almost 550 “Likes” and over 1060 views here on MIA. I wish it had been featured here on MIA because more parents and people may have benefited from exploring the issues it raises.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you Tina for your continued tenacious work protecting human rights. The testimony of Dr. Jones of DHHS seems very revealing about the extent of abuses happening and how the states operate without uniform federal oversight.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you for your powerful comment Someone Else. As an Army medic 50 years ago, I started working alongside mainstream doctors. I agree with you that now psychiatry is becoming more legitimate in other MD’s eyes- I would say probably that is happening because of psychiatry reinventing itself as applied neuroscience.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you for your encouraging comment ColinB897, about the broad based coalition of advocates you see being possible.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you Hermes!
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Chrys, you certainly are one of the strong advocate parents and mothers I always think of when I imagine a growing force of opposition to children and teens being harmed by psychiatric treatments. Plus you always have the vision of humane alternatives at the ready to provide tangible hope for the future where our young ones can get their needs met!
Best wishes, Michael
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That is so very tragically true Stephen. We have to stop it somehow.
Michael
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Yes, AA. Antipsychotic meds are reported to destroy brain volume at 1% a year.
The 5 year olds I know on meds will have lost 10 percent of their brain cells by the time they are 15.
My heart breaks for them as does yours.
Best wishes, Michael
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Seth, I see dissident psychiatrists like Peter Breggin, Dan Fisher, Brad Lewis and others, playing a crucial role in legitimizing an alternative model to the psychiatric model, but as I said, I don’t believe there are or will be enough dissident psychiatrists like them to reform the social institution of psychiatry consisting of almost 25,000 MD’s whose average national income is $177,520- from either the inside or the outside. Not that status and money are the key factors, but that the belief in psychiatry as applied neuroscience is so ingrained from med school on, that it won’t give way to a psycho-social paradigm of care and underlying assumptions about the causation of human emotional suffering being adopted by more than a small fraction of psychiatrists.
So I have been tuning into where then, will the change agents in sufficient numbers come from. Like with the dissident psychiatrists , I see the advocates and activists like yourself and many of us with lived experience and those who are psychiatric survivors, represented on MIA as another huge force that will be part of an eventual collapse of psychiatry, but that the most powerful sleeping giant that will bring a moral authority of tangible political power will be parents and loved ones of children who will finally say no more.
A mobilization of parents and loved ones on the scale of NAMI will emerge to get laws like Kendra’s and Laura’s laws passed to outlaw the wholesale drugging of children and minors instead of legalizing forced community treatment like those NAMI co-created laws have done.
Imagine a Justina’s law.
In the first line of my article I said that protecting our innocent young ones is a sacred obligation. There is an innate, visceral emotional response of outrage I hear when I tell about the children I know who are drugged into submission. Innocence is numinous. We are hard wired as mammals also to protect our offspring. It is the most powerful instinctual mammalian response.
I am counting on the archetypal, sacred obligation to protect innocent children that is inherent in our social contract, and our primitive animal protectiveness to stop psychiatry from harming our children.
Thanks Seth,
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you for your powerful comment Fred Abbe. I am glad you survived all you faced from such a young age. I hold onto hope that there will be a moral tipping point where society says never again to what happened to you and to the children who now begin that nightmare as toddlers.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you ColinB897 for your comment. I’m glad you share the concerns that prompted me to write this blog post.
Berst wishes, Michael
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Ted, I see in the public response to Justina that the awareness of a young person being mistreated, prompts the kind of innate strong protective response that I am suggesting could multiply and translate into legal protections, if more and more focused attention is put on the plight of children and teens who are being harmed by psych meds and forced treatment.
Thanks for your comment Ted!
Best wishes, Michael
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Forced psychiatric treatment and the drugging of children who have no say in their health being compromised are human rights abuses in my opinion John. If we look at successful human rights struggles, we almost always see a public phase of concerted non-violent campaigning as you say.
Thanks again, Michael
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I agree John that non-violent civil disobedience can be a valuable way to effect political change. Thank you for your comment and link.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you uprising.
Best wishes, Michael
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Yes Pat and Chrys! These are great lists of drug free anti-depressants.
thank you, Michael
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Yes Chrys, we need to provide truly humane alternatives to medications for children and teens who are in distress. More and more I see parents and family members wanting choice for themselves and their children. A good example is the huge interest in the Mother Bear family recovery organization that Lisbeth Cooper-Riis and Jen Mauer write about here on MIA.
Thanks again Chrys!
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Seth, I don’t believe for a second that psychiatry as a social institution will ever be capable of reforming itself. That would be like the brass at the pentagon and the majority of those in the military industrial complex becoming pacifist Quakers. I believe that ultimately parents and the loved ones of children who are being or have been harmed by psychiatric labels and psych meds, will rebel in large enough numbers to create a wave of political opposition that will forcibly restrict the mistreatment of children and teens via legislation. Young activists like the one I imagine speaking out at the end of my article who were diagnosed bipolar as toddlers and put on antipsychotics, will also be a powerful voice that sways the public against the excesses of psychiatry. Many of us here at MIA are advocates for children’s safety too. Thanks for your comment Seth!
Best wishes, Michael
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I agree with Duane about the great value of your posts Phillip!
I hope you will write something here soon about the very recent dramatic news that the Trinity College of Dublin research group claims to have found a gene mutation in blood samples, that increases the likelihood tenfold of developing either so-called schizophrenia or bi-polar disorder.
What struck me as possibly formidable evidence, was the 25,000 person sample size they claim to have used to replicate their original results.
I imagine some in psychiatry are viewing this research success as finally finding proof of the genetic holy grail, if not the discovery of the map to where it exists.
Michael Cornwall
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In May of 2012 I wrote an essay here on MIA called- “The Big Chill: Psychiatric Drugs Are Now on Trial For Murder,”- that told of a recent murder trial verdict where Prozac was ruled by the judge to be the sole cause of a homicide. Peter Breggin’s testimony convinced the court.
It seemed a very logical next step, that soon judges would start finding prescribers accountable for suicides and homicides.
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Thank you Juliemadblogger, LisaO, Skyblueslight and Chrys Muirhead for valuably contributing to the discussion here, and for the great links!
Your account of awful treatment by people at your church Julie, made my heart sink that such fear driven behavior by those who should be compassionate, is happening more and more frequently.
LisaO I know you will keep speaking out and fighting for women and human rights as you have for decades!
I hope everyone reads your very powerful new essay on psychiatry and patriarchy Chrys, that you link above.
Best wishes All, Michael
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Thank you for writing starbody. I just now saw your note. Please feel free to contact me at michaelcornwall.com
Your play sounds very valuable and exciting.
Best wishes, Michael
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I’m very glad you survived and have fully recovered Fiachra- thank you for your comment.
Michael
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Thank you Donna for your generous words and reminder that we are all lessened as Donne says when one of us is harmed, lost.
When the tragedy is multiplied so hugely, as a whole segment of the human family is singled out, made a scapegoat, then the outrage and sorrow we feel is often very hard to bear. I’m grateful for you and all of us who join forces here on Madinamerica.
Michael
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Thank you Duane, I feel humbled by your generous words. Your loving heart is as big as a house!
Your brother for the duration, Michael
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Thank you Donna for your important contributions to this discussion and the many valuable references you shared with us. I’ll be checking out some of the books and articles you recommend. I agree that we need a very comprehensive approach to oppose the forces that are causing such suffering for so many.
Best wishes, Michael
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Hi Pat, good to hear from you! I just sent you an email to your gmail address with some ideas for helping the man in Contra Costa.
Hoping all is well up your way- smiling remembering our time on the Coalition. I love what you wrote above- back in the day we didn’t have to worry about a national data base tracking everyone- now it’s really Big Brother time.
Mike
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Thanks for writing Dorothy,
I hope there is a gun free world too someday!
The post 9/11 neo-McCarthyism that is ratcheting up now seems to be asking us and our brothers and sisters-
“Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the potentially dangerous, mental patient second class citizen population?”- Instead of the witch hunt days interrogation question- “Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the communist party?”
Sending love,
Michael
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Thank you for your comment Sharon, and your question that goes to the heart of the matter.
Michael
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Thank you Dawn- Those are very important questions you raise about the health insurance industry colluding with their customer’s rights being taken away, and the ACA timing.
Good to hear from you my friend.
Michael
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Thank you Helen for your comment and the very extensive links you are sharing. They are a great resource of relevant information.
Michael
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Thank you JimKeiser for these valuable links. I hope people check out your psychiatric watchdog Facebook page.
Michael
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Thank you uprising. I hope everyone reads the very important factual information and powerful insights you provided in your comment that expands on what I have written here.
Michael
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Thank you Duane! I am sure glad you and your wife survived those awful brushes with death. Your chilling poem by Niemoller above, captures what can be at stake if we don’t get involved when other’s rights are being taken away.
Your brother, Michael
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Thanks for your comment Ted, and for writing your excellent MIA article on Justina Pelletier.
Michael
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Thanks for your comment David.
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Thank you Ilya.
I am so glad you were at Esalen to bring your heartfelt and inspiring vision of what is possible and supportive of people experiencing extreme states. It’s great to be working with you and other activists in the SF bay area as we plan, propose and pursue funding for the alternative services, that I describe in my response to LisaO’s comment above.
See you at the next Mandala Project planning meeting this Sunday!
Michael
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Thanks for your help mjk- much appreciated!
Michael
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Thanks Brian,
It was great to connect via email today, and to gladly accept the invitation to be a speaker at the Toronto conference.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you John for sharing these great resources about Dick Price- especially your definitive- “Manual of Gestalt Practice in the Tradition of Dick Price.”
You contributed so much to the Esalen gatherings on extreme states these past 2 years, and have been a faithful keeper of the flame of Dick’s work for decades!
Best wishes always,
Michael
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That is a very important conclusion Matthew- I do agree with you.
The three of them spent so much time together at Esalen over the years, focusing on how to better serve people in extreme states and evolving their understanding of madness together- but Dick Price never published a book or a journal article.
John Perry used to tell me about the energy and inspired thinking that took place during some of those large gatherings that Price convened- especially during the 1968 summer-long symposium called- “The Value of Psychotic Experience.” I listed some of the people above who were there. As far as I know, Dick Price and the poet Allen Ginsberg were the only people present who had been through extreme states.
I thought of that ratio at last month’s gathering where over 25 of us present had been through extreme states.
Thanks for your great comment Matthew!
Best wishes, Michael
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Hi Oli,
Please see Caliban’s response to your question below.
Thanks again for contributing to this discussion.
Michael
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Thank you LisaO for your supportive comment!
There is good news about alternative services to divert young people from the system like Agnews, Esalen, I-Ward, Diabasis and Soteria San Jose used to do – a Soteria in Alaska has been open for some time, and one is opening soon in Vermont, where a Hilltop Recovery Center is already open.
The Parachute program in NY is also happening, using Open Dialogue to divert young people from the system. An “Inner Fire,” off the grid refuge is also being developed in Vermont.
I’m involved in a SF Bay Area group called the Mandala Project, made up of 6 people who have attended the recent Esalen gatherings(and others). We have proposals being put forward for funding on a peer led and staffed 12 bed, 24/7 initial extreme state house like Diabasis/Soteria, and a proposal for a peer respite/harm reduction med tapering house too, for people who have been in the system for some time and want to avoid a hospitalization or get off meds in a residential setting. We have a proposal for a mobile outreach team too. There is a 140 million dollar amount of mental health services money in the California budget for new services that we are applying to draw from.
Thank you again Lisa, for all your activism over many decades, and your invaluable support of me in my vocation dear friend. You are a stalwart comrade in this and other social justice struggles. Your groundbreaking work in Feminism and LGTB rights has touched many lives!
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you again Brother Duane. I’m grateful right now, for you capturing that amazing truth about peace bringers in your recent reflections and sharing it here. I’m told that Price wasn’t bitter about what had been done to him by psychiatry. Like you say, he must have seen the path forward was to not repay injury with hate, but like Mandela, seek to give to others, the love and peace he had been denied.
I’d seen the Mandela quote you shared below a couple of days ago and it really stayed with me. It says to me what I need to hear and daily remember- real freedom is found in the service of others.
Michael
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Dear Jen,
Thank you for your encouraging and warmly supportive words!
I hope people check out the Motherbearcan.org site to see how families are being offered a good choice for getting their needs met based on real hope, and an alternative vision that you and Lisbeth and the Mother Bear team have made a tangible reality!
Best wishes, Michael
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Hi Sharon,
Thank you for your comment and important question. As I understand it, from conversations years ago with my friend John Weir Perry, the Esalen gatherings that he attended while Dick Price was alive that I mentioned, were invited gatherings that Esalen funded. The 2011 weekend workshop that I organized on extreme states, was a regular Esalen workshop where people signed up for and paid their own way. Both the 2012 and 2013 limited capacity gatherings were funded by a private philanthropic source. I am currently seeking funding for a 2014 Esalen gathering on extreme states. If that funding doesn’t happen, I plan to try and organize a conference at Esalen that anyone can sign up for and pay their own way. If that kind of regular Esalen conference happens, I will donate all of my conference leader stipend to be made available to offset the cost of those who pay to attend.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you for this wonderful and inspiring comment Adrian! I’m very grateful for your friendship, and your courageous and soulful voice.
Best wishes, Michael
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Thank you Oli, for sharing this wonderful interview of Dick Price, done by his friend and fellow psychiatric survivor, Wade Hudson.
Best wishes,
Michael
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markps2, for you to continue to insist on calling individuals stupid, who take medications, saying that they self lobotomize themselves, is very disrespectful of those individuals who are suffering- it is wrong for you to say that about them.
Michael
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Hi markps2, I appreciate much of what you say in your comments, but please don’t refer to people who are suffering in the psychiatric system as stupid, here in this discussion.
thank you, Michael
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Thank you Cory,
Human emotional suffering is not pathological as you say, but part of the natural experience in every person’s life.
The psychiatric belief system that names our emotional experiences as symptomatic of a disease is simply not true.
Michael
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Thank you Chrys!
You are a fearless voice against oppression. I am glad you have allies there in Scotland- I know the powers that be would like to silence you if they could- united we stand.
Michael
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I agree with you Matthew!
This is a great contribution to the writing here on MIA, Michael.
Thank you for sharing this wise and compelling look into Laing’s process of understanding emotional suffering and how to best respond.
I look forward to your upcoming book on Laing. As far as I am concerned Michael, there is no one teaching us about Laing who has a better knowledge of Laing, both personally and professionally.
Best wishes,
Michael
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Wow! This is a beautiful expression of self determination if there ever was one.
Thank you Copy_cat.
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Copy_cat I have read what was done to you several times now and I want to say I feel sadness about it- and angry they did that to you.
and glad you are now here writing strong words that help us all.
Michael
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Thank you Olga!
I believe you are so right- psychiatry will not give up power as it becomes more and more discredited, and is willing to use fear to insure it’s monolithic institutional survival.
The new head of the APA, Dr. Jeffery Lieberman, was shrilly fear mongering, when he recently painted activists like us in the Scientific American as- “Misguided and misleading ideologues and self-promoters who are spreading scientific anarchy.”
Best wishes,
Michael
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Thank you again Brother Duane!
We do know for sure that NAMI has made forced community treatment their top national priority for what- almost 20 years?
I can’t help but think that months ago, this photo ID card program in northern California, probably caught the attention of NAMI national headquarters, and plans are being drawn up to replicate it across the country.
In solidarity,
Michael
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Thanks Daniel-
I wonder now how anyone can not be in a national data base that law enforcement can access, once they have received a psychiatric diagnosis, since gun violence is being portrayed as being almost synonymous with having a psychiatric diagnosis.
There is enormous political pressure on every level of the mental health system, to be able to prevent more mass shootings via early identification of supposed dangerous, diagnosed people.
One in four women in America are now on psych meds, and one in five of the total population are on psych meds.
Every psych med prescription requires a DSM diagnosis, that is logged into the computer data base of the public or private insurance provider in order to document the criteria for reimbursement.
Moving to Colorado isn’t a way anymore to get out of the data base, that I hope hasn’t already turned into a ‘mental patient’ watch list.
Best wishes Daniel!
Michael
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Thank you again Copy_cat for bringing revealing NAMI information forward. There could have been no forced community treatment laws without the political action of NAMI.
NAMI, with pharma and psychiatry’s backing became, and still is, seen by the media and elected officials, as the “human face” of so-called mental illness in the US.
Michael
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Thank you Tina. I agree, having to assure or prove to police, that we are under the control of another arm of social control, the MH system- as a way to not be mistreated or possibly harmed is a very wrong. It feels like a violation of basic human liberty and dignity. Must we bow our heads and say- “I am no threat, I have submitted to the power and dominance of the state.”
Michael
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Thank you Dan. I wish police, family members and caregivers were all trained in emotional CPR. You and NEC are a constant source of light in what seems to me, a gathering darkness.
Best of wishes my friend,
Michael
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Thank you for this comment Rossa. I am still amazed that many NAMI parents don’t connect the dots and see that the system itself is often injuring their loved ones. But since NAMI parents have chosen to believe the psychiatric brain disease dogma, it seems they are locked into defending the very medical model practices, that can often trap and hurt their loved ones for a lifetime.
Michael
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Thanks for these great NAMI world links Copy_cat!
Michael
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I have to admit warmac, that this white card program feels to me like a kind of smiling, friendly fascist social engineering expression, of the broader state sanctioned psychiatric project of deviance control, that says to it’s casualties- “Please understand, we are doing this to you for your own good, and the greater good and safety of society.”
Thank you for your comment, and Niemoller’s haunting quote.
Michael
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Thank you Faith, for your as usual, very thoughtful sharing. I feel unsettled too, about what this white card program portends. I felt a strange urgency about getting the word out about it. I think that comes from being afraid that the general public will not see anything wrong with it, just as they don’t about forced community treatment.
Best of wishes,
Michael
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Thank you for saying this John. The explicit message is that someone is a potential danger to the community because of their medically, DSM defined brain disease.
Once again, legal authority, backed by law and the courts, and embodied by our police, bow to the clinical arbiters of psychiatry.
Michael
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Thank you Steve- Everyone I have told about this photo ID card project has expressed a negative reaction to it- “creepy” is often part of what they say.
Michael
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