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  • #78136
    randall
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    I am no fan of psych meds, but what of this study here:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/health/mental-health/antipsychotics-cut-violent-crime-study-finds-n99781

    When they come up with a study like this, psychiatry gets stronger. Is Whitaker aware of this study?

    #78154
    RachelE
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    Hi Randall. I haven’t done the research, but it’s possible to falsify or skew data in studies like this, particularly when the agency conducting the research has an axe to grind. A question I have: why is violent crime on the rise when more people are doped up on antipsychotics than ever?

    #78493
    avaunt
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    There are a couple of problems with that study. One is that they did not include mentally ill people receiving no medication or another form of treatment. This is important because we don’t know how they would behave without the brain changes caused by the medications. This is not a pre and post treatment study either. There is no indication that they separated out periods of withdrawal. Their study really suggests that people who HAVE BEEN medicated are less likely to commit violent crimes while they are on their medication rather than off of it. But in my mind that is like saying that a crack addict is less likely to be violent while they are able to get high, therefore crack reduces violent behavior in addicts. Finally, a dead person is less likely to commit violent crimes, but this is not a solution to violence nor is it desirable. Even by their own numbers in the study, the people they included in the study have a massive amount of unemployment.

    #78711
    randall
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    Solid points. Thanks.

    #78921
    frankveilleux
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    I leave in Quebec, province of Canda. I was prescribedRisperdal 2 mg. My company who i worked for, refer me to a private Psychiatric to treat me for ADDH, my lack of concentration was getting out of control, you can imagine my behaving on one of the most effective private jet assy line. In order to keep my job and pursue, a so call normal lifestyle, I agree to be analysed and treat with the company private specialist thinking was about my ADDH concern. The Physiatric meet twice. After my first meeting, he referred to a specialist Physician 2mg of Risperdal for a disease call Tourette Syndrome, a disease that i had never heard about before and i can’t still today recall any of the side effects concerning that disease. So a public Physician prescribed me Stratera (ADDH) and Risperdal 1mg 30 days and 2mg for 60 more days. After 3month my company refer me to a private Physician that followed me for 4 years, during those 4 years, i lost 60 Lbs of lean muscle my body weight went from 220Lbs to 345Lbs. I have been permanently castrated, i suffer from controlled lost of my bladder. My cholesterol went up to 9, triglyceride 9, diabetes of 8.9 on an empty stomach 12h, my testosterone to 0.09. I suffer from very high blood pressure and cardiometry ( high rhythm of hart). I also suffer from manny more permanent leisure to my body done by consuming 2mg (extra dosage to treat a possible but not diagnostic Tourette syndrome). My concern is since neither the Psychiatric (paid by employer) or the physician (refer by employer, paid by me with my money hardly earn after income tax.) is there any responsibility from those guys, i trusted them with my life, never they talk to me about possible risk of using this drug, never the psychiatric did a follow up, never the physician ask for a second expertise and with me progress toward death.

    #79072
    Ragnarok
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    I didn’t read the study, and while I agree with what RachelE and avaunt posted above (easy to skew or manipulate data, no control group, etc), there is something else that could be involved.

    The study says antipsychotics cut violent crime. One major point to note is that antipsychotics have been called chemical lobotomies and chemical straight jackets. They effectively dampen down a number of critical brain functions. People on high doses of antipsychotics often resemble zombies, with vacant gazes, slow and shuffling walking, drooling, etc. So sure, antipsychotics may cut violent crime, but that’s because the people are turned into zombies that can barely think or function, let alone become aggressive or commit a violent act.

    A study like this is like saying that chopping off peoples hands reduces theft. Sure it may reduce thefts, because they no longer have hands to steal stuff with, but that doesn’t mean we should chop everyones hands off to prevent theft.

    #79499
    frankveilleux
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    It does much more then that, it also castrate you, and give you organ illness for life. My hypophyses a gland from limbic is fucked, I’m very frustrated those serial killers in Quebec sentence me with Risperdal. You would not believe how I feel. Like after all the taxes I paid in my life and my contribution to the society no body give a fuck about my human right. Because I don’t have any right, according to them mentality iM a thing that they can trash.

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