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Global Warming: Man-Made Threat or Political Hoax?

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  • #48333

    Senate report indicates over 1,000 international scientists dissent on the topic of man-made global warming:

    http://cfact.org/pdf/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf

    Duane

    #48457

    Copy_cat
    Participant

    CO2 is plant food !!!

    The stupidest thing ever from the global warming crowd has to be ethenol in gasoline. Ethanol consumes more energy to produce than it yields.

    That’s right it takes more energy in fossil fuel to make ethanol than you get back , a huge waste of time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9QQcP_Y1II

    70 Percent More Energy Required to Make Ethanol than Actually is in Ethanol: Cornell

    Among his findings:

    * An acre of U.S. corn yields about 7,110 pounds of corn for processing into 328 gallons of ethanol. But planting, growing and harvesting that much corn requires about 140 gallons of fossil fuels and costs $347 per acre, according to Pimentel’s analysis. Thus, even before corn is converted to ethanol, the feedstock costs $1.05 per gallon of ethanol.

    * The energy economics get worse at the processing plants, where the grain is crushed and fermented. As many as three distillation steps are needed to separate the 8 percent ethanol from the 92 percent water. Additional treatment and energy are required to produce the 99.8 percent pure ethanol for mixing with gasoline.

    Read the whole thing here http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_17166.cfm

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    #48460

    Copy_cat
    Participant

    rain forest

    A tiny sliver of transitional rain forest is surrounded by hectares of soybean fields in the Mato Grosso state, Brazil.

    The Cost of the Biofuel Boom:
    Destroying Indonesia’s Forests

    http://e360.yale.edu/feature/the_cost_of_the_biofuel_boom_destroying_indonesias_forests/2112/

    rain forest

    A lone stump is all that remains of this area of rain forest in Sumatra that was cleared and planted for palm oil.
    forest ethanol

    forest ethanol

    http://www.all-creatures.org/hope/gw/02_bio-fuels.htm

    #48461

    Copy_cat
    Participant

    Chopping down the rain forest to make motor fuel instead of using petroleum.

    ethenol gasoline

    #48569

    Frank Blankenship
    Participant

    Wha-a-t? All I see is a lot of deforestation in the photos above, and a significant factor in climate change. Forests cool things down. Deserts, and pavements, tend to be hot, hot, hot. Forests are a few degrees cooler than open spaces in general.

    Searching for cleaner fuels is always going to be something of a mixed bag. As far as automobiles go, electricity is a lot cleaner. This ethanol thing comes out of resource depletion and seeking independence from mid-east oil and gas reserves, too. People talk atomic, but then plutonium has a long half-life however hush hush you want to make that sound. Given gas emissions, well, you’re always going to have something of a problem. Bottom line, pollution is pollution. Pollution is fueling climate change. Ignore pollution at your own, and the earth’s, peril.

    #48572

    humanbeing
    Participant

    Posting this link again;

    I really don’t get you all-have a porfolio in the coal/gas industry???

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/12/destroying-science/

    read it and weep-I know I see it happening all around me…

    #48573

    Copy_cat
    Participant

    Tropical deforestation accounts for about 10 percent of the world’s heat-trapping emissions — equivalent to the annual tailpipe emissions of 600 million average U.S. cars.

    Deforestation contributes 6–17% of global anthropogenic CO2 emissions to the atmosphere .

    Deforestation all over Adds More Atmospheric CO2 than the Sum Total of Cars & Trucks on the World’s Roads.

    forest

    Illegal land clearance to make way for soy production in Para, Brazil. Photo by Alberto César courtesy of Greenpeace

    brazil chainsaws

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    #48575

    Copy_cat
    Participant

    In the next 24 hours, deforestation will release as much CO2 into the atmosphere as 8 million people flying from London to New York. Stopping the loggers is the fastest and cheapest solution to climate change. So why are global leaders turning a blind eye to this crisis?

    The accelerating destruction of the rainforests that form a precious cooling band around the Earth’s equator, is now being recognised as one of the main causes of climate change. Carbon emissions from deforestation far outstrip damage caused by planes and automobiles and factories.

    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2007/05/14/deforestation-hidden-cause-global-warming

    #48655

    Frank Blankenship
    Participant

    Okay, Copy_cat. I don’t get it. Are you conceding that ‘global warming’ IS occurring?

    There are two primary, and man-made, causes for climate change…

    How? Primarily by two actions: <b>Burning fossil fuels</b>, with a smaller contribution from <b>clear cutting forests</b>, known as deforestation.

    http://www.edf.org/climate/human-activity-is-causing-global-warming

    #48673

    uprising
    Participant

    I was wondering that, too. I don’t see anyone arguing in favor of clear-cutting or ethanol.

    Here’s the good news:

    Climate News Network, 10 October 2014: “World of clean energy ‘feasible’ by mid-century”
    http://www.climatenewsnetwork.net/2014/10/world-of-clean-energy-feasible-by-mid-century/

    #52731

    The far left needs “climate crisis” like psychiatry needs “schizophrenia.”

    It has to be dangerous, in need of immediate action, drastic measures need to be taken, and freedom is secondary to control.

    Duane

    #52733

    Forget the real science. Go with sensationalism. Get the people to think like sheep. To act like sheep as they go to slaughtrer… Baaah, baaah. Destroy the economy while making people dependent on energy subsidies as rates to heat their homes double, triple. Tax energy companies for not offering more wind and solar power – systems that are not yet in place to adequately take care of the grid. Watch as elderly people, those who are on fixed incomes freeze on the winter. Transfer wealth – it’s worked so well in the past, especially under Stalin and Mao. Give China a pass, blame America, again. Follow the cap and trade model. It does nothing to improve air quality globally, but makes America haters feel good. A
    Al Gore’s ideas are ingenious. He’s an intellectual giant, even if he is part of that nasty 1 percent. Baaah, baaah.

    Duane

    #52734

    John Hoggett
    Participant

    Climate change is indeed like psychiatyr, it is dangerous, in need of immediate action, drastic measures need to be taken, and freedom for corporations is secondary to the welfare of the majority.

    I am happy to swap slogans for a while if you want Duane

    #52735

    Glad you’re here. This is the place we can discuss these issues in depth, for anyone interested, while keeping the blogs on topic. At least that’s my opinion.

    Duane

    #52736

    John Hoggett
    Participant

    I think heating of houses for the poor is an interesting point. The Fuel Povery Network in the UK campaings for insulation on housing, and publically held energy generation companies at city or state level, producing energy from renewables. Energy Table Berlin has a similar plan. Energy Table Berlin is a coalition of left leaning groups and green groups. Energy generated at city and town level used to be common.
    http://www.fuelpovertyaction.org.uk/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_energy_referendum,_2013

    I think these inititives compare well with communinty lead mental health inititives using social model methods such as peer support, open dialogue and sancturies based on the Soteria House model along with community development so that the community has more input into services and how they are delivered. This contrasts with how things are at the moment where Big Pharma makes an unholy alliance with psyhciatry and basically bribes Thought Leaders (alias greedy Dr’s) in psyhiatry to promote the evil pills.

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