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Problems With the Term "Psychiatric Survivor"

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  • #76825
    Frank Blankenship
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    The way you show that there is no mental health issue is by organizing. Yes one crazy person could get a gun and kill someone. In the US this happens over a 1000 times per year. But it would be completely impossible for 1000 persons who organized and did a great deal more than that to be crazy.

    Actually the way I show that there is no “mental health” issue is by not seeing psychologists, social workers, psychiatrists, certified pee-er support specialists, etc. They’re all out to sell “mental disorder” and its (mis)treatment.

    As for your statistics, you can can them. I’m not buying.

    Oswald was crazy, but ISIS members are not. Such seems to be your view. Sorry, I’m not going there. I don’t see the insanity defense as a good thing.

    As you will notice in the above (psychologists, social workers, psychiatrists, certified pee-er support specialists, etc.), I’m not encouraging anybody to collaborate with psychiatry.

    Viva la resistance!

    I kind of doubt it will be easy to prosecute “mental health” NAZIs, but if we start by putting them out of business, we will be getting there. To really make a mark though, yes, there need to prosecutions. This shrinks above the law kind of thinking we are beset with now has to become a thing of the past.

    #76872
    Nomadic
    Participant

    Statistics? You mean that 1000’s of times per year in the US, people get guns and just kill someone? We have a homicide rate of 15k per year. My estimate of 1000 is very low. But to get to organized violence, usually people must first come to see that they can’t win via the ballot box or the courts.

    Very rarely are health practitioners of any type prosecuted, because to do would require getting them to testify against each other. Very hard.

    The way to get them is to decline to claim malpractice. Instead just show how what they are doing is predicated on the idea that the client has a problem inside of their head. We have to get the clients to turn against them. To drive them out of business it is not necessary to show that they are breaking any law.

    Can you make a first hand complaint against any kind of mental health practitioner? If so, I suggest that is the best place to start. Try and put them out of business.

    And also encourage everyone to refuse and to carry papers saying they refuse. And then if the practitioners call the phone number, be very tough with them and make it clear that they are being sued.

    Nomadic

    #76899
    Frank Blankenship
    Participant

    Statistics? You mean that 1000’s of times per year in the US, people get guns and just kill someone? We have a homicide rate of 15k per year. My estimate of 1000 is very low. But to get to organized violence, usually people must first come to see that they can’t win via the ballot box or the courts.

    Sure, there are plenty of homicides. It sounded like you were giving some kind statistic regarding crazy people in particular.

    Very rarely are health practitioners of any type prosecuted, because to do would require getting them to testify against each other. Very hard.

    Well, it kind of like the problems you might have trying to prosecute cops, and kind of not like those problems. We haven’t been very good at prosecuting cops for murder.

    The way to get them is to decline to claim malpractice. Instead just show how what they are doing is predicated on the idea that the client has a problem inside of their head. We have to get the clients to turn against them. To drive them out of business it is not necessary to show that they are breaking any law.

    Who do you sue when you sue for malpractice? An insurance company.

    The problem with the client/provider scenario is clients are only clients because they are buying what is being sold. Cesar Chavez instituted a boycott of farm products. A general boycott of mental health providers could drive them out of business.

    Can you make a first hand complaint against any kind of mental health practitioner? If so, I suggest that is the best place to start. Try and put them out of business.

    He who is not buying what they are selling has no complaint. The compliant department is for people who buy products they find fault in. So long as they buy they keep the market going. When there is no market, there are no sellers, and there are no sellers because there are no buyers. I suggest you rethink your strategy.

    And also encourage everyone to refuse and to carry papers saying they refuse. And then if the practitioners call the phone number, be very tough with them and make it clear that they are being sued.

    The ‘have it in writing’ legalese approach, eh? I’m talking about fighting BS with facts. I’m not sure we’re talking the same thing.

    #76905
    The_cat
    Participant

    “Psychiatric survivor” So many people don’t even know there is a name for it.

    I met a girl on Effexor last night, you just talk to anyone in the 12 step recovery crowd and chances I would say are 9 out of 10 they were or currently are wrapped up in psychiatry. She was describing to me the withdrawals wile believing its her “condition” coming back. So I asked what I ask what were you like BEFORE they got you on these pills ?? That one gets them thinking.

    What causes depression and anxiety ? Brain chemicals…. Did you or anyone you know ever get a test using medical science to confirm this ??? That gets them thinking too.

    Its just sad.

    And WTF the industry knows most people with alcohol problems , 90% , go back to drinking several times before successfully quitting , if they ever do, so why load them up on pills that don’t mix up so well with alcohol ??? $$$

    Lets just keep this website on track and get the message out best we can.

    #76911
    Nomadic
    Participant

    What do you think Psychiatry and Psyhotherapy are for?

    I say they are to enforce the dictates of Capitalism and the Middle-Class Family.

    Nomadic

    #76920
    The_cat
    Participant

    Why don’t you go play on “freedom to express” with your delusional belief that people are actually reading it for another 6 years instead of screwing up this website ?

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    #76922
    Nomadic
    Participant

    What do you think lands someone in psychotherapy or the psychiatric system?

    I say it is because they are not complying with the dictates of Capitalism and the Middle-Class Family.

    And then once so broken down and stigmatized, very hard for them to ever get back the chance in life which they might have had. Need to act to change this.

    Nomadic

    #77010
    The_cat
    Participant

    I say it is because they are not complying with the dictates of Capitalism and the Middle-Class Family.

    #77011
    The_cat
    Participant

    That woman’s book screwed your head up dude, you really really really need to put some effort into rethinking it.

    #77012
    The_cat
    Participant

    I say it is because they are not complying with the dictates of Capitalism

    Real capitalism is a free for all and doesn’t have dictates.

    Put that thinking cap on.

    No stop, no looping, think. Not in a circle but a straight line.

    #77014
    The_cat
    Participant

    I say it is because they are not complying with the dictates of Capitalism

    The circular argument turns the infinite chain upon itself — like an Ourobus. This method brings back premises to be wrongly dependent upon the original argument’s conclusion.

    #77018
    The_cat
    Participant

    That woman’s book screwed your head up dude, you really really really need to put some effort into rethinking it.

    I mean it dude, we were all screwy at one time and lots of us still kind of are but I think this Alice Miller obsession is robbing from your life.

    Just like my own net addiction is kind of robbing from mine so I am out of here for the day.

    But it takes effort to re think it. That’s much of how you survive psychiatry or keep it away in the first place. Putting in the effort.

    #77026
    Nomadic
    Participant

    ’em, Cat,

    What do you think lands someone in Psychotherapy or Psychaitary?

    Do you know that on page 90 or 91 of AA’s 12×12 book they tell people that they have to suspend their critical thinking abilities?

    Nomadic

    #77117
    The_cat
    Participant

    Do you know that on page 90 or 91 of AA’s 12×12 book they tell people that they have to suspend their critical thinking abilities?

    Page 90

    When you discover a prospect for Alcoholics Anonymous, find out all you can about him. If he does not want to stop drinking, don’t waste time trying to persuade him. You may spoil a later opportunity. This advice is given for his family also. They should be patient, realizing they are dealing with a sick person.

    If there is any indication that he wants to stop, have a good talk with the person most interested in him – usually his wife. Get an idea of his behavior, his problems, his background, the seriousness of his condition, and his religious leanings. You need this information to put yourself in his place, to see how you would like him to approach you if the tables were turned.

    Sometimes it is wise to wait till he goes on a binge. The family may object to this, but unless he is in a dangerous physical condition, it is better to risk it. Don’t deal with him when he is very drunk, unless he is ugly and the family needs your help. Wait for the end of the spree, or at least for a lucid interval. Then let his family or a friend ask him if he wants to quit for good and if he would go to any extreme to do so. If he says yes, then his attention should be drawn to you as a person who has recovered. You should be described to him as one of a fellowship who, as part of their own recovery, try to help others and who will be glad to talk to him if he cares to see you.

    If he does not want to see you, never force yourself upon him. Neither should the family hysterically plead with him to do anything, nor should they tell him much about you. They should wait for the end of his next drinking bout. You might place this book where he can see it in the interval. Here no specific rule can be given. The family must decide these

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    things. But urge them not to be over-anxious, for that might spoil matters.

    Usually the family should not try to tell your story. When possible, avoid meeting a man through his family. Approach through a doctor or an institution is a better bet. If your man needs hospitalization, he should have it, but not forcibly unless he is violent. Let the doctor, if he will, tell him he has something in the way of a solution.

    When your man is better, the doctor might suggest a visit from you. Though you have talked with the family, leave them out of the first discussion. Under these conditions your prospect will see he is under no pressure. He will feel he can deal with you without being nagged by his family. Call on him while he is still jittery. He may be more receptive when depressed.

    See your man alone, if possible. At first engage in general conversation. After a while, turn the talk to some phase of drinking. Tell him enough about your drinking habits, symptoms, and experiences to encourage him to speak of himself. If he wishes to talk, let him do so. You will thus get a better idea of how you ought to proceed. If he is not communicative, give him a sketch of your drinking career up to the time you quit. But say nothing, for the moment, of how that was accomplished. If he is in a serious mood dwell on the troubles liquor has caused you, being careful not to moralize or lecture. If his mood is light, tell him humorous stories of your escapades. Get him to tell some of his.

    When he sees you know all about the drinking game, commence to describe yourself as an alcoholic. Next http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_92.htm

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 11 months ago by The_cat.
    #77262
    Nomadic
    Participant

    Its in the 12×12 AA book, not the big book

    Nomadic

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