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September 30, 2018 at 1:46 pm in reply to: Writers! Submit to a new anthology on forced psychiatry! #165066
Frank by publicly doubting my credibility you are hurting the project. I don’t exactly appreciate it.September 30, 2018 at 1:43 pm in reply to: Writers! Submit to a new anthology on forced psychiatry! #165065
Frank, I do not deny the historical context. My object is to fight against elitism even here in the Movement. MIA publishes the big names and highlights them, and the rest of us are just peons here and have to fight to get anything published. You have no clue what I go through every time I try to get an article published here. I was even told I was limited to four articles, while the big names get published over and over, any time they please, because of who they are, basically, though MIA does not want to admit this. My aim is to fight against elitism here and elsewhere in the Movement since such snobby attitudes have no place in a human rights context.September 5, 2018 at 6:56 am in reply to: Writers! Submit to a new anthology on forced psychiatry! #163752
Frank, Why do you say, “More powerful voices” when there are people out there who have yet to be heard? Why are you assuming that contemporary voices are less powerful? You and I have not read these people’s works, so we cannot judge…Is this a reflection of the low expectations we have for each other? I am not looking for big names. My focus is on the stories themselves.September 4, 2018 at 10:37 pm in reply to: Writers! Submit to a new anthology on forced psychiatry! #163723
At this point all I am hoping for is submissions. I really want to give people a voice. I need help publicizing the anthology so people will take it seriously.
You know how it is. We are always considered second class. I’m tired of it, and I am not sure what else to do. The nonresponsiveness is very frustrating.September 4, 2018 at 8:41 am in reply to: Writers! Submit to a new anthology on forced psychiatry! #163714
Thanks a billion! I really appreciate it!July 25, 2018 at 9:28 pm in reply to: Writers! Submit to a new anthology on forced psychiatry! #161194
Just adding a post so I have that “follow” check box ticked.
Thanks so much for this information. Since the only withdrawal difficulty that was truly troublesome was inability to sleep and very consistent inability, I found that switching to another extremely sedating drug that is easier to withdraw from might help some people. I was really not sleeping and extremely grumpy for five years, horror story, even bumping into things and dropping things out of exhaustion. Could not function the entire time and made excuses for resulting bad behavior.
So I reinstated five years after getting off the drugs, at minimum to get me some sleep. Wow, relief. I was using Seroquel. Then I transitioned to Thorazine which is much, much easier to withdraw from. Much easier to taper the dose, smoother. The transition to Thorazine took a matter of days. I went to a psychiatrist’s website to teach myself how to transition smoothly. He had a chart.
The last sliver of Thorazine was a toughie. I resorted to taking that every few days. What helps immensely is megadosing with Thiamine at bedtime. I use powdered. The dose is extreme. I use 2,000 mgs, that is like 20 of the tablets, all at once, and I will double this if I really cannot sleep.
Also recommended at bedtime is kiwi or grapefruit. My naturopath says eat the meat of the grapefruit also. I actually eat the kiwi skin, too. One kiwi or 1/2 or entire grapefruit along with the Thiamine. You pee out a lot at first, then after a while you start to metabolize.
I have not found Valerian to make any difference at all. I suspect we are seriously damaged by these drugs. When I had my cataract operation they were surprised I “needed” so much sedation prior to the surgery. I think they do the dose by vital signs. They did not know my history, of course.
Hi Regular, Were you taking it recreationally? If you had no history? I am just curious as to why you would consume it if you didn’t perceive any reason to do so. If I recall correctly, there were some recreational users who took it because (somehow) they felt “mellow” on it. Some liked the “mellow.” Or some used it in combination with other recreational drugs or to “come down” from others.
Was it given to you by a doctor? Off label?
I did not feel anything at all on it, no real change, but that was just me. It was prescribed. Except the tendency to pace. My doc even insisted I take it PRN, which is not really how it is given. I don’t recall any “effect” PRN but I took it anyway, like a slave, because she said so.
I am wondering what would happen if you went back to Risperdal, that is, from the Zyprexa back to Risperdal. Yes they are both terrible drugs. I am only thinking that Risperdal might be easier to taper off of. Is the main problem insomnia? You might want to substitute Trazodone, which is not an antipsychotic. It is ineffective as an antidepressant that I know of, so they don’t use it for much of anything but sleep and it went into generic. Maybe that means it does less damage. And please don’t take my word for it.
I do not trust the medical profession personally because I was abused in a hospital, so I live without them and decide for myself…and am healthier because of this decision.
I know I suffered the most after I left Maria. When a therapist abuses it is like an addiction. She draws you in and keeps you stuck in the abuse. I worshiped this woman like she was a god. She was the One and Only who could save me and she drilled that one into me. She was controlling. Funny thing is that they say in the literature that people with eating disorders have control issues, but now, looking back, I realize that Maria had the control problems! She manipulated me like a puppet master, jerking me around! My life was like a roller coaster during that year + that I saw her (started around Thanksgiving 2010, quit in March 2012). I was such a mess afterward. Summer 2012 I made a plan to kill myself that lasted about a month. I wanted it to be a spectacle, to make a statement (I had NO plans to take anyone else with me. I just wanted it noticed). But when the time came, I did not follow through. It took me a long time to figure out that Maria’s abuse caused it all. Given the violent fantasies I had after I left her I see therapy abuse as extremely destructive and could conceivably cause a school shooting. I was also withdrawing from a psych drug at the time, the only one I ever had trouble with. But Maria’s abuse was the thing that made me really violent and angry inside.
One time recently at my Toastmaster’s meeting, right after a school shooting I did a speech for my club called the Formula stating how a school shooter is made. Abuse a person in therapy, that’ll do it.
By the way, the shooter in Florida in the news recently…was in “treatment” but no one’s talking…this according to the town mayor. Nope, they don’t want to talk. Tiny headline in CNN. It’ll be covered up but I’m tagging this one to draw attention.
Therapy abuse needs to be talked about.
BTW, in case anyone is wondering, all that happened to me well in the past and I am over it. You never know when someone is going to mis-read what you write.
I have had my own blog for the past 18 years which you are welcome to check out:
I am a professional writer. I earned my MFA in Creative Writing in 2009 from Goddard College even though my doctors tried to stop me from getting my degree. After that my doctors tried to drug me so that I would not be able to write.
I blog quite frequently and I have been a prolific writer. I speak out about issues that are meaningful to me, especially human rights, and have written extensively about my own experiences.
I’ve never been able to get a major paper interested, though certainly attorneys and human rights activists have landed on my pages.
I have put more cumulative effort into my blog over the years than anything else.
First of all, I knew it by instinct immediately. But that means nothing, of course. The story broke after the whole thing was over. Another victim came out, and I believe all that wasn’t in the court testimony. I saw this on psych search. They found the news story which of course was some tiny suppressed column. This is how it happened. The therapist, who had abused Adam, fled to New Zealand right after the shooting and slipped between the cracks. Then years later another victim of this same therapist came forward. I believe all the court stuff was over. So this wasn’t a relative of Adam’s, nor a Newtown victim, but a victim of the same abusive therapist. It amounted to a tiny column, tiny to protect the fucking abusive therapist.
Therapy abuse harms deeply. I know it changed my personality and it took me a long time to shake off the effect and live my life again. Therapy abuse KILLS. Therapy abuse causes suicide and homicide. Therapy abuse is drastically downplayed here on MIA because many members are therapists. Therapy abuse is denied. It needs to be addressed before more lives are destroyed.
Please don’t tell me abusive therapists are rare and I was only unlucky…..The practice lends itself to abuse and diagnosis itself is a power move that crushes an individual, puts him/her out of work and is a hate crime.
No it isn’t just all drugs.
Yeah, whoever wrote here that insomnia develops because of “thoughts” about Zyprexa, NO WAY. This is actually a really insulting thing to say to folks in this thread. We know that any drug that causes heavy sedation, if used long-term, will cause resistance to the sedation. And we know that possibly a person may, over many years, need to raise the doses of these drugs to levels that would knock out anyone to the ground ordinarily. This is known as tolerance.
We know the brain grows dependent on the drug both initiating and sustaining sleep. The brain learns, therefore, that it no longer has to work. It stops doing the work since the drug is now doing the work instead.
If you do not use a part of your brain, that part will shrink. Your body assumes that part is not needed. It is proven that braille users have amazingly enlarged parts of their brains that control fingertip sensitivity. This is because it is used consistently.
The brain is indeed changeable, even after it is injured, however, different brains recover at different rates.
I went through horrific insomnia and it is FINALLY lifting. It is the end of 2017 and my insomnia started mid-2011 after a severe trauma. I have done so much research in this area and I finally learned that while the trauma did cause insomnia, it should not have gone on and on for so long, turning me into the worst bitch. I had to search for another answer.
I realized that the trauma set it off but what kept it going on and on (and making me miserable)? I measured my sleep with a couple of trackers to make sure I really wasn’t sleeping, and it was true. I was getting mostly “hypnotic state,” which, by the way, if you can get that, DO SO. This will provide your body essential rest when you absolutely cannot induce the sleep state. I was getting a tiny bit of REM, and no deep sleep at all.
If you have to use sleep aids temporarily, go ahead. Of course, over-the-counter is better than getting a psych diagnosis back on record! Any sleep aid will cause dependency all over again. It’s up to you to judge which is the lesser dependency. They call the insomnia caused by drugs “rebound insomnia” and science backs this, definitely.
I did a strict discipline program with myself, self-designed. I looked over the Sleepio app and found it insulting so I didn’t go very far with it. Some of it is useful for drug damage but most is not. You have to wade through some comic figure telling you you have bad coping. You don’t. It was the drug!!!
So I did away with Sleepio and used the book it’s based on. They let this book go out of print, most likely so they could charge an insane amount for Sleepio. You can get the book for under $10 and probably also get it at your local library. Go to the action chapter, I think that’s the fifth week of the program, maybe Part Five. I say “action” because you actually do something.
This chapter suggests limiting your sleep. It will help. Try it for a week. Go get the book out of the library and skip to that part and read the instructions on how to do the sleep restriction. Don’t do it during a week you have to drive or operate a forklift.
I couldn’t stand more than a week of that, but it did help. We need to encourage our brains to learn this lost skill called sleeping. That part of your brain hasn’t died, but it has shrunk because you have not used it. This is not muscle, but nerve that grows with use. This is proven.
You have to keep at it. Think of working out at a gym. It takes a while to get results but don’t give up.
This is coming from someone who nearly gave up because I thought the insomnia had ruined my life permanently. I was on three antipsychotics simultaneously.
What Adam Lanza did very well may have been the result of psych drugs, but more likely, it was trauma due to abuse by his therapist. He was sexually abused. I believe Psych Search has the story. What happened was, Adam’s psych fled the country, the one that abused him, after the shooting. The psych was eventually picked up in New Zealand after another patient of the psych came forward.
I know, I was narcissistically abused by my female therapist and the results were very veyr scary. I was also taken off a tricyclite antidepressant at around the same time, but really the harm was Maria’s emotional abuse. I think I did a radio show on the experience, and I spoke about it in a speech I did locally. I have written extensively about it also.
It took a very very long time to get over it, no thanks to my ex-friends, who never validated it nor apologized.
Hi Anonymous, I have learned that advice-giving often isn’t helpful and I probably shouldn’t give it. May I ask what would happen if you limited communication with your mother? Who calls whom? And how often? What if you were just too busy with your real life to answer the phone? How long do you speak to her? Do you invite her over, or does she invite herself? What if you were “too busy” or “out” when she invited herself? How much do you share with her, and can you limit, I mean, extremely limit the amount of information about you that she has access to? 40 miles is quite far to drive and she won’t keep coming over if you simply “aren’t available.”
Just don’t pick up the phone and tell you are very busy. Let her guess. Let’s see…taking a class and swamped with homework. Sorry, Mom, I have an important deadline.
Hi all, It’s great to see all the response here. If nothing else, we know we are not alone.
I have been using mineral supplements, and also using the book that the Sleepio app is based on. Sleepio even gave me free access (the program costs $300 per year!) but I found it to be irrelevant to the situation we are in. The closest mention in the book was “rebound insomnia” from “sleeping pills.” No mention of antipsychotics because mental patients don’t matter. Many of us are out of work so who is going to give a damn.
However, if you skip ahead, which you cannot do using Sleepio, but using the book which costs under $10 on Amazon (mine was shipped from Sweden) then you get straight to Week Five. This week the assignment is to condense your sleep. The logic is solid and the instructions are specific and clear.
In brief, you need to know your total hours per night that you are actually asleep. Then divide that by the number of hours you are actually in bed. Ideally, this would be 100%, or at least over 90. Chances are if you are an insomniac your sleep efficiency is 75% or lower. Limiting the time you spend in bed with “train” your body to sleep more efficiently. So take the total number of hours you are actually asleep, and time your bedtime and wake time so that you are the same number of hours in bed. If the number is under 5, don’t go lower than five hours in bed. And don’t nap.
You will be terribly sleepy at first, in particular early in the evening prior to bed, but it DOES GET BETTER.
The book is by Colin Espie. I didn’t find the other chapters useful but this one is, so I’m trying it out. Will keep you posted.