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Well, if you read what I wrote I’m in agreement. However, am trying to figure out what’s being said,get my point across, and be diplomatic.
Unfortunately it’s not just as simple as saying this is wrong, and here’s why. I do think it’s going to take many angles, to get force eliminate even. Also, I’ve been committed against my will as well.
However, some so think going along with the system is sometimes necessary, and what to say when someone really doesn’t have a choice. Who knows? I’m trying to spread awareness, and look for help myself. Although, some people feel that going along with the system is the only way to avoid as much damage as possible. Oppression can do that. Anyways, hopefully what I’m saying at least makes sense.December 11, 2016 at 8:22 pm in reply to: CONTINUING DISCUSSION OF RACISM, CLASS AND THE MOVEMENT #86027
I said sides, for lack of a better word, I guess. Just wanted to hear from someone, or really anyone who finds said stuff in artical offensive eg saying psychiatric slavery.
However, I meant sides the same way you meant it. Hoping if we can get more people of color to chime in, so perhaps we can all get a better perspective. Like I said, I do think it would be better in a conversation with more dialog.
I agree we should talk about how to deal with any racism, and privilege form within. Guess, I’m more trying to at least start that conversation. However, if there’s any way you think would work better, to do this.
Trying to speak specifically to the people who agree with the artical, but also encourage them, and everyone to join the discussion for now. Just don’t want things like this to go unresolved. There’s enough problems outside, and am just trying to encourage we try and see where everyone’s coming from. Am trying to do that as well.
December 10, 2016 at 8:16 pm in reply to: CONTINUING DISCUSSION OF RACISM, CLASS AND THE MOVEMENT #85996
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I do see a lot of these words, often used to either automatically mean something is correct, or should be dismissed. Guess the best thing we can do is try to offer the other side, when it’s not given, but also leave room for others. Right now race, and class, within the psychiatric liberation movement has come up.
It would be nice to hear from more people on both sides of this. However specifically people have felt the psychiatric liberation movement has been racist. For example if any black person feels they want to be part of what we talk about here, but they don’t feel as welcome, then at least getting to a place this can be talked about. Maybe we won’t always agree, but I’d like to think we’re at least more open than other groups who claim to be accepting of race. Personally think it’s not always the case. Think class may play a role as well. Also think there’s a lot of false divide between voters.
However, within all of that, there is some truth. Of course we’re going to be affected by some of this as well. Just hope we can realize a lot of these said solutions on anywhere on the pollitcal spectrum, can be corrected to psychitric opression. It’s been talked about, but think it should continuously discussed. Right, now race should be discussed, and I know that other factors contribute as well. However, just trying to think how this can resolved, and right now I think we at least need to get people on all sides talking. It was less about what was said, for me, and more about feeling psychitric opression was being pushed to the side again. However, do think there should be a discussion of racism, and our movemt that addresses everyone’s concerns.
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Hi, thanks for the response. Yea, I’m hoping we can discuss this. Also hoping we may be able to discuss other things more after this gets discussed. It still did get the most responses in the short time it was up.
You’re correct about how I used PC. The reason why I used it, was because it seems many people adopt it to mean a positive. However strongly being “pro PC” or “anti PC” for its own sake seems to be a problem.
Will be responding more to your new post, and hope others will too. Think we’re on the same page in many respects 😀. It can tough when things mean different things to different people. Hopefully in the end everyone will feel heard, at least, as far as MIA is concerned. With everything going on we really need to at least do that. Think it would help a lot. At least start a dialog.
Only it’s becoming accepted for there to be no proof of any abnormality. Although some have looked elsewhere for supposed abnormalities. What I’m worried as it will become more, and more accepted they don’t have proof, but will still be allowed authority.
I’m also worried there will be pressure to invent new “evidence”. Worried how that could set us back, and create further harm.
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Okay, but what about the increasing acceptance in psychitry not having proof? ‘The brain is just too complex, for science right now’.
Think Frank was referring to this as well, but the right to treatment often is what pro force psychitry people say as well. It can get pretty muddled with all the groups, and some overlap.
My main goal in all of this is to get rid of force, and coarsion. Think coarsion, though is in many ways an after effect of force. This is also very big in the so called alternative treatments. At many of them, particularly the more main stream type ones. Maybe the strictly peer run ones are different.
Have brought this up in other places. There seems to be more, and more emphasis on giving psychiatry a pass on not having evidence… It seems this may seep into other areas of medicine. How does everyone see this evolving? Seems like a lot of backlash, may happen, or they will just accept it. Psychiatry may be testing this out, to decide if and when to promote new “evidence” this exists. They’ve seems to cover that as well, by literally putting in quotes.
If people don’t at least see now would be a good time, to at least see people shouldn’t be forced, I don’t know when they will. Especially seeing as it’s now becoming more talked about how these drugs can cause violence. Heard a recording of Pete Earley speaking on the radio, with someone else who brought this up. Yet he’s just as pro force as ever.
The part on class is very important. I often hear class being left out, or even dismissed when brought up creating additional problems. While, I get it if someone wants to talk about a specific problem, and not get caught up in another. Think when other problems not specific to psychiatric opression, it can feel like yet again, this is just getting pushed aside.
Although think everything can be addressed. That’s something I think that will be important to make clear. Have heard people talk about how they don’t feel like they have white privlage, and are struggling to make ends meet. Have heard some people indirectly call them lazy. This is on the more extreme end, but think a lot of people could respond better.
The more compassionate response gernally works. Although sometimes a more blunt, and harsh truth does as well. Think it can be hard to know what exactly is the best way. Lately have been trying to be understanding when it comes to people not getting mental health freedom, but it’s tough when there’s seems to be blatant lack of effort to understand. Have been trying with that. Also think for an ally, of any kind this can be important. Think it is helpful to at least keep the conversation going, and try to listen as well. With psychitry we really need that. Too much talking to people like it’s the first time they’re hearing this. Addressing the same points, to hear everything again to be told conversation over. Think a lot of what applies to us will apply to other forms of discrimination.
Hoping more people will join, and hopefully try to reconcile. Think we really need this, to make things better for all of us. Very trying times now.December 9, 2016 at 2:46 am in reply to: Corrected: "Who Wins and Loses 21st Century Cures Act?" #85921
It’s tough. Only this probably just hit harder, because it’s openly glamorizing drug companies. Always thought that was something kept secret. He same goes for outwardly calling consumers losers. Maybe it will be better that it’s all out in the open. What else can we say?
The same holds true, for the parts in puting stuff like evidence, and data in quotes. Maybe now will really be the time, where we have to push forward how people are negtively affected by this. Think the narrative of no proof, and benefiting the drug companies, at expense of consumers wishes will become a more, and more accosted truth. Maybe if we really emphasize the harm it does, while still offering data, we can do this. Know that’s already what we do, but I guess just try, and post more on specific ways to organize. Stuff like this has come up before.
This could be moving forward, or backward, but it’s moving. We’re very much in limbo. Feel like this is an important window. We really need to talk through, any problem and organize. Think we can though.
Bringing this back, only this time with something more positive. Had stumbled upon this a short while back, and wanted to post about it. Bonnie Burstow has started an antipsychiatry scholarship. I had just happened to stumble upon this artical, when searching for it. Thought it might bring some hope to the movement where it is much needed. Also happens to tie in with a lot of other stuff talked about lately as far as discrimination.
Has anyone heard of it? Heard a psychiatrist taking about it. Hadn’t remembered hearing about it. She has talked about this. Just searched on MIA. Is harder to search with no set up. https://www.madinamerica.com/2016/10/bonnie-burstow-scholarship-antipsychiatry-campaign-launched/
Anyways think we should share a lot. Especially with all that’s been going on.December 7, 2016 at 11:34 pm in reply to: "Who wins and loses with the 21st Century Cures Act?" #85842
Thanks. May repost with better spelling.
Oldhead, I do think this is complex, and very possibly good intentioned, but problematic. Also don’t think there was much room for discussion, but see Cat’s fear, as that’s not uncommon in our our movemt. However, think it would be more helpful to assume good intent, and attempt to reach an understanding.
Do you think they’d mind. If we talked about somehow coming together, while not directly talking about this? It did get quite a lot of attention, and there is stuff that should be talked about? Who knows? Maybe this will end being the discussion we had to have had, and will end up more unified than before. Wishful thinking, but I do still wish more of discussion was had. Think that would help a little lot, rather than just saying stop saying this.
AA, and Oldhead apriciate the responses. Am discouraged to see the comment section on said racism within our community was shut down. Was watching the vidioes before commenting.
Will comment, more later. Part of why I really want this to be discussed, is to hopefully unify people quickly to fight the Murphy bill. Wish there was more of an emphasis on this being at least safe space compared to most. Maybe I don’t get everything, but I think this movement is a lot more open than most. Think people should be encouraged to keep sharing any potential hold ups, but also stick around. We still agree on many things, and still be working out others. Think that would be best for everyone. Then again it would help if more sharing took place, so we could have a conversation.December 6, 2016 at 12:59 am in reply to: URGENT MURPHY/CURES UPDATE — CALL YOUR SENATORS BEFORE NOON MONDAY!! #85730December 6, 2016 at 12:53 am in reply to: URGENT MURPHY/CURES UPDATE — CALL YOUR SENATORS BEFORE NOON MONDAY!! #85728
I logged out of Twitter to see what Tim Murphy was saying.
Rep. Tim Murphy @RepTimMurphy
“UPDATE: Senate votes 2 block filibuster- vote 2 pass #CuresNow & #HR2646 tmrw. We R 1 step closer 2 crisis #mentalhealth reform. Stay tuned!”
Does anyone have any idea what this means? Will look more into it. On his Facebook didn’t mention it, and haven’t seen it elsewhere…why wouldn’t something like this be mentioned? Don’t know… Doesn’t make any sense.
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