Tuesday, April 13, 2021

Comments by TNW

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  • I’ve read it, firstly it said “evidence of” not actual renal failure, so that reduces the amount from 1/3 already. Secondly people do survive with chronic kidney disease, they require medical help sure but they can survive. Thirdly the study reported on those who took Li for over 10 years not as stated in this article “one-third of those who ever took Lithium for an appreciable amount of time” that alone is a MASSIVE difference.

    As for that nature stuff… that’s obnoxious as hell, it doesn’t help me one bit.

  • I’m not picking on anyone, I simply suggested that she should amend the article to better reflect the facts.

    I also did not deny that Lithium can cause kidney damage, I am simply saying that: “one-third of those who ever took Lithium for an appreciable amount of time — even if taken off the drug — end up with so much kidney damage that they cannot survive.” is false and not borne out by the study she cited.

    There is a substantial difference between Lithium can cause kidney damage, even is likely to cause kidney damage, and saying that Lithium has a mortality rate of 1/3!

    “Besides, why would you even consider taking such a toxic agent for a mood or behavior issue, anyway? If your ADHD amphetamines have caused you worsening mood and behavior problems, try laying off of the amphetamines. Know what I’m saying? Taking a drug cocktail for a bogus psychiatric disorder is always a bad idea – deleterious to your health don’tcha know?”

    Perhaps because the mood issue is so unbearable that i’m willing to try many things to make it stop? I’ve never taken amphetamines I’m not sure what you are trying to argue there. I also don’t believe psychiatric disorders are necessarily bogus. I believe I have one, I know I won’t find much agreement for that on this site but there you go.

  • Yes studies are imperfect, but you did cite one, and it says something VERY different from what you said it did. I am not just criticising for the sake of criticising. I am considering my options at the moment and there is a possibility of me taking Lithium. I know you and others will definitely tell me that is the wrong choice, but in order to make that choice I want to have the right information. Part of that information comes from subjective accounts, I don’t discount that, statistics cannot tell you what it feels like to be on a medication. Statistics are only part of the story, but that part of the story is still a significant one and as such it is important not to misinform people.

  • Thank you for the link. however:
    “The researchers studied 4,879 patients who took lithium for at least 10 years between 1981 and 2010. They found that about one-third of the patients who had taken lithium for 10–29 years had evidence of “chronic renal failure,” while 5% were in the “severe or very severe category.””

    This is quite different from your statement that:
    “one-third of those who ever took Lithium for an appreciable amount of time — even if taken off the drug — end up with so much kidney damage that they cannot survive.”