Wednesday, September 28, 2022

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  • I don’t even know what to say, reading all of this and the two linked articles one after the other. In fact, I want to scream out, after the story after story after story going on, and incident after incident, and one coercive covert predatory trap after the other… at WHAT point does it boil down to: Do NOT put someone in a position that the “mental health system” is in charge of bettering their life! And all the other redundancies of assumption, process and “how things go.” The whole mental health system has become ANOTHER consumption, only this is forced on people, that in a consumer oriented society. It goes along with how you can’t have Christmas without sugar and more junk food, you can’t have a church get together without coffee and cookies, you can’t have a sorority without drinking alcohol, you can’t be a cool teenager without doing drugs, and then you get anti-depressants to help social shyness, grieving, any change in life that makes you feel ill at ease (what the cookies, alcohol, cigarettes, street drugs and social conformity didn’t work!? Going to the mall didn’t either!? Church!? Sports!? Joining a Sorority or Fraternity? A Street Gang? A Political GANG?)…..

    I clearly don’t know where to go with this because it’s SIMPLY not true, that the mental health system is some easy way to get that needed extra something to make the way clear towards “happiness,” like the rest of addictions that ARE NOT acknowledged as such, instead made out to be a loss when you don’t indulge in grabbing for it, taking the ride to see what’s on the shelf, to do SOMETHING even before you’re non attached to consumerism enough to know what you are getting into….. You’re getting into the realm of EXTREME resentments to anyone not wanting to stay in the box. It isn’t just consumerism anymore, it’s ENFORCED consumerism.

    Andrew was absolutely right when he said regarding the psychiatrist he was forced to endure: “He clearly did not like him. Andrew would get so frustrated at the sessions, because he said nothing that comes out of my mouth can be right. If he would relate an accomplishment at work, he was narcissistic. If he would talk about something he was writing that he thought was particularly insightful, he was exhibiting grandiose thinking. Nothing was right. If he said, ‘I can’t do anything right,’ then he is clinically depressed. He said every word that comes out turns against me.”

    Eleanor Longdon, when talking to a psychiatrist, and had to leave the “session” to go to take her position at a radio station, which she DID have, found the psychiatrist put down that she’s delusional, as if the radio station she had been working for the whole time didn’t exist, and that he had some magical ability to know whether it did or not, WITHOUT any ability to, having completely not investigated. And I have found that ANY supposed objective evaluation of those in power to make diagnosis in such a manner, be it social or “professional” is PEPPERED with such nonsense. Which I don’t know how to even express encountering such without insulting pepper, which is a valid spice.

    And for all anyone knows it was and/or is Knoedler that shows signs of a chemical imbalance he’s in denial about. I think anti-depressants and other psychiatric “medications,” like ADHD medications, which an incredible amount of psychiatrists are on, that they will facilitate such behavior. It was too much a sign of coherent thinking would Knoedler see the drugs aren’t working, have gone and investigated what’s really going on, was he cogent enough to take note!? But heh, a does of disabling agent called a “medication” will alleviate yourself from such sad, stress inducing, traumatizing realizations, that you’ve been taught wrong, you’re brainwashed, and instead of being human you’re part of a machinery of ideology that’s mental rather than reality based. Regardless of chemical agents, it’s Knoedler and the others that show signs of being a danger to others. Neither do I see getting rewards for being brainwashed, no matter the salary or image or feeling of power that goes with it, as being a sign of sanity. Certainly not a lack of danger to the self, if you really want to be human, and are interested in discovering that in others.

    I’ve had the same thing with a social worker, who THANK GOD I wasn’t forced to see, but was teaching a yoga class at a parks and recreational facility. If I couldn’t get to class, although I had tried, her not seeing me there was her “objective” evaluation that I didn’t show up because I had resentments against her (it couldn’t be because the bike rack on the bus was full and I had tried to go there but couldn’t; apparently my resentments telepathically made sure two other people filled up the bike rack of the bus before it got to where I’d have to fit my bike on it),I must have been harboring dangerous feelings regarding a disagreement, and just me not showing up was sign I had a possibly violent resentment of who knows what. I supposedly also was dangerously in love with her (if I actually watched her do the poses, I was gawking at her, anything and everything I did was misrepresented), I couldn’t expect decent responses from her or I supposedly was in love with her, I also couldn’t have a private emotional response that had nothing to do with her or it was about her, although I’m gay, and found her quite repulsively pretentious. I just wanted to learn yoga. If I showed up to class another whole array of fabricated untruths I won’t go into. The total disconnect with reality and what they think is going on with another they have diagnosed, or whose diagnosis they believe in is immense!

    It’s baffling how completely brainwashed these people are, and then you have the whole disconnect regarding that it’s a chemical imbalance, while the science says the chemical imbalance is from the disabling drugs. In Andrew’s case, it seems that he simply had a need for a discharge of needed disinhibition because of prior drug use, disabling substances the same as psychiatric drugs, legal or street……

    This “psychotic” episode if left alone might have taught him that. But instead come all of the lies, the untruths, the covert fabrications of people unable to see they are responding like brainwashed android or robots. This holy delusion of a chemical imbalance that has to be treated enforced by people who take on the same brainwashed behavior as those sacrificing goats, or virgins or their first born sons to appease a God or Gods, only now its psychiatric patients sacrificed to the ideology of eradicating something that doesn’t exist, but is believed to. And which “God” is this that needs or would be appeased by such behavior!?

    This is highly disturbing to think that some poor kid would loose his life like this. My grief goes out to his mother…… He’s not the only one. And he’s right, you can totally, if you’re sane, question whether ANYONE belongs in such places, and they might mostly just be creative, sensitive people……

  • I was so astounded by this immense wisdom from Brent Deacon PhD, and the unceasing alacrity behind it, that it has taken me this long (THREE WEEKS!) to remember I also have encountered the same truths elsewhere: was it in thought or did an angel tell me?

    This regards American corn.

    You may think this is just something thrown out of society and forced to do its business in the fields, but no! It has a long history, and immense indigenous help and respect, something akin to the holy land. Very much the same as Israel needs nuclear defense, corn needs fertilizer and pesticides. Yes, the same as that French impressionist paintings couldn’t exist without the lead in them, something called poison by the unenlightened. NAY I say to it being poison, and YAY I say to the fact that it must have universal properties, the magic of alchemy and it is our duty to see that in reality it is GOLD! Putting as much money as Brent Deacon has pointed out is necessary is just a beginning, a beginning in finding the nature of our origins. How could money be put into the new James Web space telescope, and not into finding the alchemy of lead (which is an ingredient in the most beautiful paintings ever to emerge out of human consciousness)!?

    But now corn, and fertilizer and insecticide. And genetics too, forsook I almost forgot that this was mentioned to me. It being of such immense substance and distinction that I fail to recall if it just floated into my mind, or did a friend from Heaven speak to me. Of course there’s something genetic going on with anyone that has problems with what has turned corn into an international source of experiencing the American Spirit, something heralding nature and indigenous spirit as well: insecticide and fertilizer have done this. In turn, we must find genetic flaws with anyone not supporting these spiritual buttresses! Our origins as sentient life and the Universe depend on it! The same, when you see someone walking around naked, in OUR society, don’t you immediately respond with alarm!? Can you imagine people seeing this and not being alarmed? Isn’t that ALSO a sign of chemical imbalance on THEIR part as well as genetic abnormalities that MUST be investigated? This is WHY the legal system can force a person in to treatment! To save their soul!

    Just as we must investigate how lead must be what leads to Gold, what Brent Deacon has pointed out is in the process thanks to much good will, we MUST find the gold in corn as well, and look into how what has made it bless the rest of this little wonder of a planet, that being insecticide and fertilizer, how those two MUST be inherent in natural processes such as thought! If insecticide and fertilizer can help a plant blossom out of the soil, so MUST IT be fundamental in how thought blossoms out of the brain! There HAS TO be a chemical link there!

  • I loved this interview, and the attention on what all of this does to children. This isn’t a new story, though. It’s quite bizarre to think that children are born in a way that they are incomplete, that they have to be coerced, terrified through the intimidation of deterrence or rewards and thus brainwashed to fit into our “society” to follow its “rules,” to believe all of the indoctrination instilled by fear, and then they will be “complete.” That that turns into deciding those that can’t conform have some chemical imbalance or genetic flaw is just a new turn. A new turn into how warring factions, addictions and all the rest of the thoughtless reflexes that are considered sane are instilled into people’s behavior and being human is made out to be a disease.

  • Sorry, this should have read inability rather than ability

    “And this is actually a mild case, regarding puppet courts, and what kind of a diatribe of suspicions and misinterpretations, and an ability [should read inability] to understand normal responses to abuse, and trauma, and oppression that go on when an “authority” decides someone has a disease, the authority being allowed to be more paranoid than ANY “sick” person has ever really been. “

  • I don’t now where I would stop going on what I have seen going on in the Michigan Mental Health system.

    A girl who told me all she had going on was that she was talking a lot and needed someone to talk to in her youth, then the mental health system put her on drugs that caused her to put on weight, then her father chased her around the bed with a belt because she was “too fat,” then she was put inside the asylum school, where because of the medications she couldn’t stay awake, again she was abused, this time the asylum people told her father to be harsh towards her because she was falling asleep.

    I went to visit her at an asylum, years and years later, this story of her youth I only know because we sat at a restaurant with others once. We talked about how the asylums used to be full of people that anyone could have put away for life, for something like 500 dollars, and then they started to find out that many of these people had nothing wrong with them, they only had to be re-integrated into society. This also happens to be when they started using psychiatric drugs that were dopamine antagonists, and as we all know this then was used as an excuse to make out this was some magic cure. The two had nothing to do with each other, other than people were let out that should never have been stuffed into asylums, and at the same time they started using these “medications.” Whether they had started using these medications, or whether they said “pop the weasle” each day would have no effect on whether people could function on their own after being reintegrated, only “pop the weasle,” although nonsensical or rather surrealistic were it art wouldn’t give them a chemical imbalance, and hasn’t been shown to prevent recovery (see Anatomy of an Epidemic). But so, when I went to visit this girl in an asylum [years later], I first was met with someone I had seen hanging around, and had talked with a bit, and he was standing there looking like he had been hung out to dry. Totally doped up, and so I asked him what he was doing there: “I don’t know…..” he stated. I told him to just do as he was told, and he would get out. What is one supposed to say? He had been in there A MONTH! 1000 dollars a day. WHY was he in there? I heard from this girl, and another that he had gone to a hospital and told them he was pregnant. Out of “nowhere” this is a hospital I had called years earlier as a joke, being bored, just wanting to see what they would say if I asked them if they had pregnancy tests for males. “No, sir,” was the response, with totally no inflection or color in her voice was the response from someone who picked up the other end of the phone lines. Not much of a response, but I had left it at that. If they don’t have pregnancy tests, how would they know, and how would they ever care to find out what this meant for this poor guy that had been hanging FOR A MONTH there with no one being able to respond to him but turn him into half a zombie with “meds.” The others started bantering back and forth, which I don’t know if it was talked about with the poor guy but it likely was, they said that first the doctors thought that he thought he was female, and then they thought that he thought he was pregnant but male [“genius” analytical steps isn’t it!?], and it clearly didn’t get so far as that they didn’t know how to scientifically deal with such a phenomenon, and that according to their non existent tests they couldn’t see whether he was, but……. I don’t think it’s unreasonable that if they hadn’t doped him up, he might have figured out what he was getting into, or thinking himself, let alone could someone relate to the symbolism, the emotional context, the conceptual expression.

    This girl was actually voluntarily getting shock therapy when I encountered this added “medical” mystery or creation, then when I saw her a few years later or so, she told me she had been in the state asylum, for a year, had gotten out, and she finally was living with her mother, and had someone to talk to. Quite a long journey…something she needed as a child, like any child might. I told her I was happy to hear she had someone to talk to. The reason she had been in the asylum getting shock therapy was nothing more than she had a sort of boyfriend, and they were entertaining getting married, and he had said something regarding this to her father, which wasn’t a good idea, and this girl didn’t know how to deal with her father even hearing about this [the same man that chased her around the bed with a belt when the “meds” made her too fat and was told to harshly discipline her when the “meds” caused her to fall asleep during school], instead she had put herself in the asylum. But that’s what happens when someone has been in a system so long that wanting to talk to someone is made out to be something else than needing to talk to someone, having it made out that meds that prevent her from staying awake aren’t meds that prevent her from staying awake and instead needs more “discipline” which isn’t seen as further abuse.

    And I get overloaded just trying to talk about this stuff, because the amount of pretense there is in judging a person’s behavior, simply when it’s a bit out there, this is just absolutely shocking how abusive people and the mental health system get. I immediately have at least two stories where people simply lie. Which they have regarding me, as well. Actually stuff I simply hadn’t processed yet with themes that lead towards what would be called a miracle, but that’s me. Others have lost their lives. One person being in the process of being arrested and committed who had fled her house because the neighbors had threatened to have her committed, after she fled I had first called her house, where her neighbors had trespassed into to call her case manager [they actually acted like little children playing at breaking into some place], and when I told them that if they didn’t leave her house I would call the police. That she had fled her house made it clear she didn’t want them in there. Someone said sarcastically: “Oh, would you….” So I knew they would lay a whole spiel on the police, and I never called them, yet. Then I came by her house on my bike, and she was there, with the police, and she told the police I was a really nice guy, then the police told me to move on or I would be arrested. I asked them why I would be arrested, real nicely, and was told I would be interfering with an investigation. I went home, and decided to call non-emergency, to inform the police how the neighbors had trespassed into her house. The non-emergency attendant actually told me that my friend had been taking her clothes off in public. When she had dashed off to get away from the neighbors, I was left with one of the people who had been gathering together deciding to have her committed, she immediately said: “she’s running around naked.” What HAD happened was that she had dashed off so completely terrified that she had tried to take off on my bike which was locked, and she pushed her foot down with such force that she tore her achilles tendon. Something never attended to in the asylum ( a “medical facility” ) although her leg was swollen up to the knee, and actually ruined, while they doped her up. And yes, this was a place mentioned already in George cLoony’s post above Pine Rest. The doctors told her they couldn’t fix it anymore, when it was finally looked at, because it hadn’t been attended to. That being afterwards. During this whole cycle of abuse, while she was being arrested, the non-emergency police had also told me she had been taking her clothes off. They sounded real concerned. After this whole drama, and she got out of the asylum, she calmly told me that she hadn’t at all taken her clothes off. It was just something that they THOUGHT she would do. And EXCUSE me, when has someone “might” do something because they are “crazy” become such an excuse, except it usually is!? Starting a war would be OK, but running around naked is that alarming that when people think she might do it, it’s believed, even by the police. And someone can be in a “medical facility,” have such a wound that their leg is swollen up to the knee because they have a tore achilles tendon, but it’s not looked at, while she’s drugged up till she doesn’t know whether she’s taking anything anymore, is intimidated and terrified till she’ll do whatever she’s told, and no one is held responsible that they never attended to a real physical trauma!? AFTER she is arrested and forced on such “treatment!?”

    And there’s more to it. I’m already overloaded.

    The same group of supposedly more open minded grass roots gang did the same thing to another girl, their story completely falling apart that they thought she “needed” help. What’s the most tragic is how people get stuck so scared of their own natural responses, which they might learn to understand when allowed to, that the simple anxiety of starting to wake up from being indoctrinated or what would happen when they aren’t compliant, and then what they have encountered before causing them to out of fear reach for the very system which prevents them from integrating, from understanding, from becoming familiar with what they need to get to know to grow the way their soul needs to be allowed to, they become scared of themselves. And not just of themselves, but what it is to be human. Scared of simply being human and alive. Beyond time, beyond accepted social norms of said period, and beyond what the fear’s ego has set up as “surviving.”

    I’ve seen someone trying to get her father from being her guardian, met with “social workers” when she would have friends visiting her at all, simply friends, have the social worker say she was suspicious that the girl was getting paid for sex (it was simply a friend visiting her), and this is taken seriously by a court judge; the girl couldn’t mention that the meds took away all her sexual feelings, she couldn’t mention even wanting to leave the city and want to go to Chicago, where she had lived during other times in her life, all found “suspicious,” or signs of “bipolar.” Then the judge had her drug tested, she apparently, in trying to deal with how she was boxed up had done some cocaine with this friend of hers. Evidently he supplied her with it, I would think. But she was so doped up she didn’t remember, and after the test she did admit to it, she simply had forgotten. But the judge decided this was evidence that she wasn’t aware of the “disease” she had. How many people: anyone who does cocaine, anyone who wants to leave the city they are in when others think they aren’t being “responsible,” or that are accused of prostituting themselves when they aren’t, WHAT a number we would have of who is bipolar!? And I sat and watched this go on in a court. No mention of the drugs that weren’t helping her, what the situation with her father must have been who wouldn’t listen to her actually express HOW the “treatment” was effecting her…….

    And this is actually a mild case, regarding puppet courts, and what kind of a diatribe of suspicions and misinterpretations, and an ability to understand normal responses to abuse, and trauma, and oppression that go on when an “authority” decides someone has a disease, the authority being allowed to be more paranoid than ANY “sick” person has ever really been.

    Another friend of mine lost her parents at a very early age, and nature became the bridge, the channel to her parents spirits. And many other friends she had lost, most in the mental health system. She had ended up in the asylum, and they were going to let her out, and it was actually her birthday, or her mother’s, I don’t remember, and sitting in one of those ill kept courtyards where only a few amazing weeds pop up through the cracks, somehow a bird landed within view. She told another inmate that that was her mother. No interest in what she was expressing, what this meant about her life, and she told me they were going to keep her in there longer, a couple more weeks. I called up, and let someone have it, talking about religious persecution of Native American beliefs, and I don’t know what else. Got an apologetic response I don’t want to insult sheep about trying to characterize it. “We were just trying to….” as if this is going to make me or anyone else feel they are doing their job. She did get out then, but AGAIN unfortunately, remained stuck in the system. Knowing the medications didn’t help, couldn’t get off of them because of the withdrawal symptoms, and then all the traps they set…….

    Millions of dollars, all sorts of buildings, whole “facilities,” being built, and yet remaining full of people who understand less about mental illness than those who have experienced it. And instead of wanting to find out they fuss about who knows what.

    Fortunately I found that there are others there, in the system. But those usually aren’t the ones working for the mainstream outfits, it seems. Every time I see a board that says “behavioral” health, um……

    WHOSE behavior exactly? It seems paranoia has become an institution……

  • I can only imagine the horrors of trying to deal with the peer pressure, and the pretentious gossip of ANY school, which is inevitably filled with very insecure teenagers that already are forced to sit and “behave” themselves in a society that’s not really interested in them being human, but more that they conform and become part of the “work force,” keep the “economy” going, don’t expose the superficiality and corruption going on, and thus are apt to out of extreme insecurity assault anyone not showing signs of assimilation with taunting and snide remarks, alarmist pretentious, or patronizing “kindness.”

    I haven’t had to deal with that during high school, although by then I was so insecure myself I thought there was something wrong with me that I didn’t have the social machinery to interact. But only experiencing the responses of high school people while not even having anything to do with their “institutions,” its harrowing to think what anyone inside of such places having to walk around every day surrounded by such behavior and mindset, what they have to deal with.

    And then as the article states, treatments that do the opposite of what they are touted to, not being able to express that, not only to the clinicians but to the population in general, that is all very very sad and abusive…..

  • This post is NOT about vaccines, it’s about anti-depressants! And there is a science behind vaccines that’s highly lacking regarding anti-depressants.

    I think that vaccines have caused a lot of autism, which is not acknowledged. I think that the autism also comes from the way that one company wouldn’t supply its vaccine unless packaged with other vaccines, thus forcing anyone wanting that vaccine to get a dangerous triple does of vaccines with the MMR vaccine, that THAT caused a lot of injuries, I think that giving a child right after birth vaccines, when they don’t even have an immune system to process it, all done to get the parents to think it should be done regularly, I think that that’s ridiculous, I also think people should be allowed to not get a vaccine, if they don’t want to. I also think that when vaccines cause injuries that the companies shouldn’t be held irresponsible, the state instead paying for the costs of the damages.

    But all of that doesn’t mean that vaccines don’t help some people. Neither does it mean that the covid vaccines haven’t helped anyone and that they have no scientific basis. I have had both jabs, and a booster, then got covid itself the first week of July, but only had moderate to mild symptoms. I’m not going to disqualify the vaccine from having helped or not. But then there are alternative methods, also breathing exercises, and Thieves oil as an anti-bacterial along with Artemisia extract, and simply staying at home and resting rather than getting alarmed. There is all sorts of alternative help that’s not really shared, simply changing the American diet would do wonders. People are STILL dying more of preventable diseases regarding their unhealthy diet than from covid. That the “government” doesn’t really address that with the same amount of attention is highly corrupt.

    If there had been proper quarantines in the beginning the disease might have never spread, since it needs human hosts. No one who is sick she still be forced to work. There’s also evidence you can’t just push to the side that if they weren’t experimenting with biological weapons we wouldn’t have this problem (the US biological weapons dept. went to Wuhan because the US senate didn’t give them enough money to do it in the US, the covid virus comes from a bat that isn’t even indigenous to the Wuhan area, they never found the virus in any animal remains from the market, it only was in water, so could have come from a human, the dna of it shows signs of genetic splicing etc.). Regardless of all of that they shouldn’t be doing such experiments to begin with whether covid was genetically manipulated or not, as little as that being able to blow up all human life at least 20 times with nuclear weapons makes ANYONE ANYWHERE safe. Neither is being able to destroy the pharm industry by being able to blow up all human life 20 times with nuclear weapons the way to make change.

    I don’t think people should be forced on the vaccine, in fact I don’t think that Djokovic should have been barred from the US open for not having been vaccinated. He had covid in the beginning, but it was asymptomatic. But this doesn’t mean that there’s no science behind it, and that people who want to be vaccinated are all misinformed.

    The scientific technology for the Spizer vaccine is actually something that was already known, and could prove very useful for other diseases, but that technology wasn’t acknowledged, because that’s how the system works regarding stuff that’s new rather than in the market. So, that might even prove to be a plus.

    But this post of Whitaker is NOT about covid, or vaccines or masks, and to take up the pitch forks and start demonizing everything about the pharm industry and/or therapists is not helpful, it only gives the extremists on the other side something to point their fingers at. I REALLY wish it would stop, because it becomes highly insensitive to what would help make change. It also shows EXTREME insensitivity to people that simply need a healing environment and NOT one full of distressing demands that they get involved in conflict.

    I don’t even know what to say about all of this because I work with a healer, a lady who was tested in Japan and by simply sending energy from the right side of her brain, she got in a hospital with thermal imagery testing, a cancerous tumor to disappear within 10 minutes. Which she did because she found she might be able to help people but DID NOT want to hurt these very vulnerable people looking for help. Since she has helped a whole list of people, and children, and someone who had friends that work with her, who was in the hospital dying from covid who wasn’t suspected to survive was helped by her when his friends asked her to help him, and his health turned around as soon as she helped, and he thanked her. She’s also helped quite a few others. I’ve also had healing that wasn’t supposed to happen, because I wanted to experience that. That also goes along with what would otherwise only be seen as non-reality base “schizophrenic” thinking, because of the extra insight that might come would such thoughts be allowed to have meaning and be processed. Thoughts that happen by themselves. But then again she is NOT from a formal religious setting, and has no need for that. She also has had the covid jabs, but she doesn’t say she can decide for other people, and many were asking her regarding this.

    This fanaticism on all sides becomes highly distracting, and now I’ve spent all of this – WAY TOO MUCH – time, and have written something that really is consequently quite off topic. And I’m not going to look to see whether there are any more reactionary responses keeping the post warped off topic with extremism regarding the pharm industry or whether the government sees religion as essential enough or not……|

    People should be able to express themselves without having to have all sorts of predatory attempts trying to get them involved in extremism, whether it’s “Jesus,” another “religion,” the Pharm industry, Scientology, the anti-Pharm movement or anyone else trying to indoctrinate people rather than allowing them to think for themselves, to be able to follow their own thoughts, to simply be able to express themselves and feel safe to do that WITHOUT some attempt to make them feel guilty that they don’t see fill-in-the-blank as the enemy. That’s NOT how healing works or happens.

  • Although I don’t think the vaccine should be forced on people, the scientific evidence is quite conclusive that they can help people against covid, although not without problems that can’t be ignored. My statement about the church was exactly that, which is what big business is doing now. Promising someone an entrance to Heaven is no different than big business promises of “happiness.” The government also still does not require churches to pay income tax, so it’s hardly that they have been “shut down” the past two years.

    There’s a vast difference between how psychiatric drugs have no scientific basis as agents that treat a chemical imbalance and how the covid vaccines work. Not that I am trying to force the vaccines on anyone, but we are talking about science, not about a gripe against anything and everything the pharm industry puts out.

  • Woah! I just looked at how many people clicked on this link, which was 1111, and the amount of comments was 11, but then it switched to 1112. Apparently we are one past ones.

    Birdsong, there’s not much science allowed regarding anti-depressants other than marketing.

    I’ve had it twice that in encountering family members who lost a child, a mother and an uncle, that simply stating the real science regarding anti-depressants is something akin to trying to tell a pharisee they don’t need to slaughter another animal for whatever reason. How people don’t think that who knows what that for who knows what kind of reason has the deception of stress reduction (slaughter the oxen, and you’ve done something to appease “God” so no worries, and DAMN if there are others that just want to take that belief away from you)…. or it’s about doing that noble thing and promoting said fix, that good clean feeling like joining the army to fight another proxy war where those pumping it up, regardless which side they are funding, really don’t care much about anything other than what they can reap from a destabilized area, which is why they keep it going.

    Anything and everything these days that’s a normal healthy response to the challenges of growth, or a catharsis that would lead towards a needed new outlook, it’s all dowsed with these magic pills.

    Go to the mall, turn on netflix, God save the Queen, now the King or your favorite Hollywood star or sports hero, have you tried that new chocolate, lets go to that new fast food place, Oh that new fashion or technology is the rave, no lets try Disney…..

    Who said that religion was the opium of the masses, that’s past history, now it’s brought to you by the drug companies and the marketing industry….

  • Sadness used to be what you feel, when you feel it. A natural part of life. Before you make change in life, realizing something is not what you thought, or what you were told, and you have to redirect your attention, or rebel, or move away from something, you would go through this period. Or what you had to let go of. If someone dear to you passed away, it was something you went through, something that might even make the time you spent with the more dear to you. Now it’s a disease!? Something you push away from feeling it. Something you’re not supposed to want to feel. Added to that the treatment is more apt to make you suicidal, all added to the fact that it’s a disease, rather than if you just let it be you might find out what it’s telling you. I don’t think you can tell your doctor that someone you loved passed away, or that you’re going through anything, without possibly being offered this disabling substance.

    HOW MUCH of what goes on in life is reflective of this. When there’s change that needs to take place, instead of people going through the period of sadness in order to integrate their feelings about it, in order to process how they feel, that this is made out to be a disease!? What kind of complacency to consumerism, and the marketing of social norms, and mob mentality, and the ability to feel or even process what we want in life are we robbed of? I remember commercials regarding social anxiety, and if you were uncomfortable going to the prom, this pill would help you. How much of stuff that’s simply unhealthy: what we eat, the social environment we think we need to compromise ourselves, to, the daily habits we take on, how much of this when it doesn’t please us is met with this magic pill so we don’t find out what the true result is of what we take into our lives?

    Even in the arts, I’m sad to say. Even though I might sound like a disgruntled ogre. Music used to have a soothing sadness to it, a plaintive quality that allowed and got you to feel what’s in life beyond what you felt you needed to hold onto, that it’s all good. You could detach and just feel. What kind of preppy stimulant or aggressive maniac thrill seeking we’re assaulted with as art now, all genres of it all seeming to be more about what someone posts on their “social” media, what clothes they wear, what they keep hidden in their life, what bait the paparazzi catches, how they play the system, how they get others to think such debauchery is the good life, how you brainwash people with stimulant…..

    It’s like an assault on honesty.
    I’m not sad, I’m normal: “happy,” wind me up some more! CRANK THOSE GEARS!

  • All of these wonderful groups have such a miraculous function. They truly help anyone who needs to feel they aren’t crazy or abandoned when they just can’t stomach what’s going on towards people with a diagnosis. It’s a real support, just to be able to spend one’s time composing posts where you’re ALLOWED to freely speak the truth, where you’re allowed to have the insights you have, where you don’t have to be on edge constantly concerned you’ll be dismissed.

  • Just to let you know Daiphanous Weeping, I got off of sugar a year or two ago, and I wouldn’t want strawberry ice cream for the life of me. A healer name Charlie Goldsmith stresses how we are brainwashed with advertising to go for certain foods, and they have addicting stuff in them (MSG, sugar, salt, who knows what else) and everything tastes so much better without sugar, actually. Simple meals are like from Heaven, instead. Fried eggs with rice, some beans 9kidney, garbanzo, etc.), maybe some vegetables and curry powder, that’s like from Heaven, so are many other things. So, no worry regarding me needing that fix of strawberry ice cream and investing in nukes to defend it. Goes pretty much for everything, or anything else needing such backing, I’d think.

  • I”m again rather astounded at the rather veiled attempt to hide what ends up being projections of what would CAUSE one to believe what works, what doesn’t, and a whole intimidation of what’s realistic and what isn’t.

    “most psychiatrists try to do their best under pretty oppressive work situations over the last decade or two, resulting in an epidemic of our burning out”

    “In view of these system problems, most clinical psychiatrists try to do what they can under very limited time, and that is medication.”

    Where is the epidemic, and which system is oppressive to whom, and what can be done? Adding to an epidemic (on either side) is hardly doing what one can under limited time, when one’s job is to tend to it. FURTHER MORE, Saying the psychiatrist and the patient have to work together, while EXCUSING with watered down propaganda or slight of hand remarks (using the term medication erroneously) so that the Psychiatrist is not only allowed but expected to lie to the patient. The patient being someone already under EXTREME distress looking for an answer or answers, or having been put in a situation by othesr that they don’t understand and find oppressive: waving the flag of “we-did-something-we-medicated,” once again returns to something akin to the “stress reduction” of sacrificing a goat, a virgin or your first born son. You DIDN’T medicate, neither does the placebo effect turn it into that.

    STOP misusing the English language.

    And poor Steve has to try to respond to this, which I can imagine becomes being at such a loss for words that the phrase “path of least resistance” comes up. Least resistance to what? Yeah seems easier doesn’t it? Might that have to do with the epidemic (the burn out of the psychiatrists as well as the increase in the problem they are said to be tending to). Getting lost in a maze that’s highly deceptive isn’t even really a path, that’s how you get lost. The path of least resistance to not being a path…..

    And the rest is excuses.

    I completely don’t see how advertising “I never went for the chemical imbalance theory” spiced up with “I stated that SSRI’s seem to increase serotonin,” how this is not avoiding articulately caring about a patient. The difference might be dismiss-able between treating chemical imbalance[S] and saying that increasing said substance helps depression, but dissolves when one points out your (and you are) [you’re] as “spelling” mistakes go) ADVERTISING messing around with brain chemistry and denying chemical imbalance (that would be what the anti-depressants cause, which isn’t theory it’s proven science); added to this anti-depressants don’t “seem” to increase serotonin, they block the re-uptake which increases the amount left over because the brain has been GIVEN a chemical imbalance by the “medication”, then the brain stops making as much [serotonin], and you have less. That’s no explanation, it’s avoiding an explanation, it’s not informed consent, it’s not true, and sorry but this becomes a problem when one gets a degree in medicine to habituate such statements, to have others believe it is authoritative. It’s actually AGAINST true medical science.

    Consistently making watered down highly triggering statements to already overloaded confused people, who if they don’t have the matrix, the syntax, to look past the deception are going to feel it, this is highly insensitive. People already feeling overloaded consequently getting more stressed out; and then when someone DOES have the syntax to see how they are being deceived, won’t excuse the cloaking rhetoric, to then call them agitated (delusional, whatever it takes to fit them into the “medication” matrix), and say that is: “animosity towards any psychiatrist that didn’t fall in line with the going criticisms of psychiatry.”

    No, it’s not OK to spin out a second untruth, acting like you’re helping those who could see past the first one.

    And it’s not going to work, and it’s redundant….

    Also, I think that it’s “systemic problems” not system problems. System isn’t an adjective, you can’t use it color whatever as if it being a “system” it’s one of those constructions that works, or you have, or it’s a good idea to stay with it to be part of things. It’s problems of that system, not “system problems,” I think. Which in other cases is problems of “the system.”

  • I didn’t even catch this at first, but is this REALLY an attempt to display the ability to diagnose? Spelling mistakes are a symptom of disregard for the truth because of carelessness?

    How many people believe this?

    Might it be the other way around. I think spelling is something one is taught by rote, it’s not inherent in the truth, given history it certainly isn’t permanent. And this regarding the English language where there are so many variables regarding spelling that it can be quite irrelevant of pronunciation.

    And to start such a whole fallacy with the idea that there aren’t just “innocent” mistakes going on and “some people” might think there are….

    Is THIS an innocent mistake!? Here:

    “I think what is important to discuss is the real life clinical work of many psychiatrists because even the best quality studies are not the same as everyday clinical work. When I was seeing patients, I never used the chemical imbalance theory, but instead that serotonin seemed to be increased in the brain with SSRIs.”

    Overlooking clear evidence in studies by promoting anecdotal evidence and supporting a marketing ploy about antidepressants which doesn’t pan out but is the opposite (in the long run antidepressants cause less serotonin)….

    One wonders what other kind of excursions into “magical” statements one is to encounter would one continue, this regarding someone trying to point out mistakes that aren’t “innocent.”

    There’s a difference between lack of innocence, and lack of indoctrination, or lack of brainwashing…..

  • Holy Shit! again.

    To begin with, regards for the truth is in the content, not in spelling someone’s name. Further more (AGAIN) SSRIs do not increase serotonin, they for a few weeks might do that, but then the brain compensates, and there’s less serotonin. That’s also the truth (not what “seems” to be going on), regardless of how I spell serotonin. To then talk about the “deepest” and “most important ways” not being known, after making erroneous statements about what is known regarding SSRIs using generic statements from an industry that numerous times has tried to make out that the clear scientific evidence pointing out how their treatments damage the brain is the result of what they call “diseases:” this further isn’t going to herald the truth, no matter how much you put together such propaganda with correct spelling. Neither is calling such industries our “mutual” enemy, while perpetuating their fraudulent statements.

    Bizarre nebulous statement such as: “I was never all that enamored with the results overall, but many individual patients did well. Almost always, joint treatment with psychotherapy enhanced the results.” Also do nothing but promote complacency regarding something that is already said to not really work that well (if at all), as if implying that when one isn’t enamored one is critical enough, and then bring in anecdotal evidence. How those people are doing does not depend on what you believe is going on, nor what you report here as “many individual patients did well” nor whether or not desperate people come to you for help (as little as that people regularly going to Mac Donald’s for food are indulging in healthy nutrition when they keep going there), or whether you make enough money to try to humiliate people that are interested in the truth, and have the leisure to be fussing about spelling mistakes rather than content. We would have to talk to those patients themselves, and also the ones that tried to get help but left.

    Someone that truly is interested in helping others with challenges involving cognition I think would have deeper understanding of life that trying to promote that correct spelling determines whether someone is interested in the truth. Further more caring to use correct spelling to disassociate from the truth, and pepper this with such deceptive logic when the truth is indeed challenging, to say that that is how one deals with depression, is more using sadness as an excuse to AVOID the truth and disable the mind from having the courage to face it. And THERE you have your “disease.”

    Fussing about spelling, reiterating false statements, using anecdotal stories, the rest of it and who knows what else this is about avoiding the truth, THAT is not something Robert Whitaker indulges in.

    It becomes abusive when someone made out to be professional repeatedly hauls out such games, it takes a populous of people having been through such lies to have to straighten them out, and then once again hear such a “professional” say it’s worthless to continue respecting those who simply try to express how their lives were ruined, because of the lies, and the indifference.

  • If 97.3 percent seem to be treatment resistant to antidepressanting as part of treatment, is this a better result than the 99 percent being treatment resistant regarding the economy (in contrast to the 1%)? Psychiatrists only make it up to the the top 5%, though, regarding economic “health” stats. Are they doing better or worse?

    Sorry, but this becomes rather difficult to take seriously. It’s like who makes it in Hollywood and who doesn’t. Who is better at hiding whatever isn’t turning up being blasted all over everywhere, with socially acceptable chase scenes involved, with holy regalia of what a hero or toy for the masses should invest in as salvation.

  • Sorry, I get “lost:” or rather over loaded: When I mentioned (in the prior post this is a response to): “after a slew of confounding (corrupt) manipulations comes up with a total percentage of being “long term” effective for less than 3 percent of people!? ” In supporting using the term corrupt I didn’t add the question regarding the even 2.7 percent of effectivity the drugs exhibit, how much does this come from the “2 week washout period” in the trials, where they actually took people out who already were in the trial and got better in the non control group, and thus weren’t counted. Which actually goes AGAINST the definition of washout period again, because that WAS supposed to happen BEFORE the trial, not DURING. So did they actually test people for two weeks to see if they were depressed, found they were, but if they got better AFTERWARDS without any treatment, they were “washed out” again when that goes against the very definition of wash out!? And all the rest of the games like giving people not just an anti-depressant but also a sedative because of akithesia (otherwise they weren’t getting the results they needed), of taking people already on psychiatric drugs into the trial, and not reporting how many people in the control group had to leave the trial because they had side effect that were THAT bad. Or not reporting it when there were suicides in the trial period, and then not acknowledging that effect still going on after FDA approval till they were forced to.

    And HOW MANY trials did they have before they had trials they could report. If the majority of trials were so bad they didn’t report them, how could that be “science” to play all these games till you can through some deceptive device of convolution come up with WHAT!? after all of that is still quite bleak….. And then the 67% which was really 2.7 percent is the end result!?

  • Where does this scary term “treatment resistant depression” come from!? Can anyone even have the consideration to see how terrifying such a concept can be to someone, when the whole focus on what’s treatment, after a slew of confounding (corrupt) manipulations comes up with a total percentage of being “long term” effective for less than 3 percent of people!? 97.3 percent are “treatment resistant.” Yeah, and this is after one year. And I’m sorry but it’s not unreasonable (also given the results of such ideology when implemented that it’s a chemical imbalance) to consider that the whole premise is quite profoundly out of the ball park, so to speak. It’s like selling love spells or what the Catholic Church used to call indulgences and had to stop doing so directly, although its ideology still creates quite a call on people’s finances.
    Not to be sarcastic, but what does this do to the environment, the emotional health of the society such people are in? In a “society” where after one year 97.3% looking for treatment for depression have a problem which according to mainstream, sometimes coerced, government and insurance funded “medical” treatment is then considered resistance to treatment, in other words there is no treatment for it!? SOMEHOW, I don’t think that makes the rest of the society happy. I don’t think it improves the society. EVEN THOUGH in typing this I have to laugh, because it more resembles something one would make up as a joke, as in when the crops fail slaughter another goat, your first born son, or a virgin. Oh that will help. FDA approved, folks. DO SOMETHING, DON’T JUST SIT THERE LOOKING BAFFLED OR UNCONVINCED, YOUR LIVES ARE IN DANGER! Were the true grounded statistics shared openly and honestly, no one would go for such “treatment” where after a year there’s 2.7 percent for that it “works” for. And the concept “treatment resistant,” wouldn’t be so scary as to make people think there’s something wrong with them were they 97.3% of anyone experiencing sadness believing there was “treatment” for such discomfort. And they wouldn’t have to deal with side effects, trying to get off of highly addictive medication, and thus withdrawal symptoms and iatrogenic disease they didn’t have before, the added frustration, sadness and defeat that they didn’t find what they were looking for.

    And I’m just taking this lightly. How does this 2.7 percent balance off with all of the addiction, side effect, withdrawal symptoms, disability and confusion that go with the rest of the 97.3 percent. And beyond that “100%” how does this effect everyone that has to deal with the effect. All the mass shootings in association with black warning labels the drug companies tried to avoid, effects they lied about knowing before they were forced to. The added fear of normal responses to life that statistically didn’t to such a degree become disabling “diseases” before people were terrified into thinking there’s something wrong with them (supported by the fact that they can improve the lives of 2.7%, the rest being “treatment resistant”). People policing with good will an ideology that doesn’t really pan out, and all of the added frustration, and cognitive dissonance, and all of the investments in ideology, money and indoctrination that doesn’t add up.

    The rest are “treatment resistant,” “non compliant,” or “misleading the public” !?

  • I notice that after the whole exposition of how the ideology that depression comes from a lack of serotonin is exposed as not panning out, we finally get that if that were true that anti-depressants aren’t doing that. After a few weeks the brain starts to adjust, because there’s so much serotonin left over in the synapse, and the brain stops producing as much serotonin, so there’s actually less serotonin. The whole marketing blip is not even true.


    There’s also the fact that the clinical trials not only had HAD to use people that already were on psychiatric drugs to get the results they wanted and/or give them a sedative because of the akithesia effect, but had taken out people in the non control group that got better the first few weeks (they supposedly then weren’t depressed, but someone who is used to having their natural brain chemistry compromised or likes a disabled mind from anti-depressants they then are left in the trial); there’s also the fact that in some of the trials more than half the people in the control group had to leave because of side effects (this of course wasn’t counted), neither were the amount of severe withdrawal symptoms initially reported of people in the control group who didn’t get a “therapeutic” result, and had to get off of the anti-depressant: these withdrawal symptoms which could be inability to stay awake, or sleep, fevers, seizure, akithesia, a whole list of others that would take pages weren’t reported, in fact left out till further looked into; and then the long term effect where people who felt they had a “therapeutic” result couldn’t get off of the antidepressants without again severe side effects. Added to that, they knew that there were people that got homicidal or suicidal, in fact in the trials there were suicides; but not only did they aggressively cover this up, but when this was ongoing after anti-depressants were FDA approved they simply didn’t report it, and then after getting an international collective of people addicted to anti-depressants, they tried to prevent the warning label that’s current. Still one can add up how much addiction to these highly addictive “medications” played a role as to whether they were still being taken. And then we get the amount of collusion between the extreme rise in mass shootings and anti-depressants or other psychiatric drugs. That’s then used as a call to force more people on drugs, same as withdrawal symptoms, same as side effects used to get people on a cocktails of drugs. And then we have all the marketing, people just wanting to believe that they can pop a pill and fix their life; and the whole change in conception of depression, leading to paranoia against something as scary as that it’s associated with faulty brain chemistry. Something that used to go away, although uncomfortable was made out to be so scary, with added ideology as treatment, this then could be exploited, harnessed to gain a whole populace of consumers of anti-depressants and other “medications,” when in reality the medications cause disruption of natural brain functions (chemical imbalance) the disease hasn’t been proven to cause, and the drug companies more than a decade ago stopped looking for this “illusive” proof that their medications treat chemical imbalance.

    THIS is what a person comes up against wanting to find answers to mental health, and those stuck in the system can’t voice the truth or possibly be found non-compliant. How many people have been “forced” on these treatments and possibly wouldn’t even be able to dare to entertain the truth, consequently? How many people actually interested in mental health, wanting to help others, got so full of ideology and propaganda that their FIRST response is to get frustrated and blame those not following “treatment” as it jars with the programming they’ve been inundated with akin to the pastel colors, butterflies and angel wings that go with such marketing? How many people have not been able to share the truth as clinicians or psychiatrists? How many people who truly could have helped others chose another job when they got gist of what’s going on? How many people have died or had their lives severely disabled because of all of this? How many people have become the brunt of superstition, gossip, demonizing and bullying because of this ideology that they are dangerous and there’s something wrong with their brain?

    And it’s effected more than just “mental health” in all areas of life, anyone expressing dissent can become labeled, or be terrified of going outside of the box. Anyone acting a bit weird can suddenly be made out to be some imminent danger and assaulted with “treatments” that in reality are in collusion with the rise in violence, all because of this chemical imbalance ideology that is treated with “medications” that are proven to cause chemical imbalance in contrast to the “disease” that’s alleged to.

    I’ve actually had it myself that when being honest enough about thought itself, that other people and namely a “social worker” didn’t have the ability to understand, and having delved into necessary symbolic dreamlike-spiritual areas, even knowing the next day that it was symbolic rather than “actual” (which I’m saying because symbolism can be more objective than physical reality because it involves your reflexes, your thoughts, which determine the future, and HAS TO remain intangible to the physical) but fine it wasn’t “actual” although the next day when I realized that I already was made out to be a dangerous psychotic that could become violent, for nothing more than the EXTREME paranoia of the social worker. I was lucky that I wasn’t directly involved with this brainwashed individual, so I wasn’t institutionalized; but in the working out of the symbolism and the theme regarding life that it animated (the initial idea of what I was trying to express that became symbolic: the symbolism I believed in for one day that was made out to be dangerous psychosis) although in the end the very theme that needed the symbolism it lead to what metaphysically would be called a miracle (I have the x-rays to prove it), as well as spiritual connections with people from beyond time (that I hadn’t even met yet at that moment when I was made out to be crazy, and where the very meaning of how life brings together such interactions wouldn’t have become conscious) where such themes basically give meaning to life (does life have meaning that there’s themes like in “fiction” and who we encounter in life are the working out of those themes?) and to understand it you really have to go beyond the boundaries put on what’s sane and what isn’t. And emotions that aren’t compliant with society’s limitations, or even the dream you had of fitting into that, they when allowed to beyond the discomfort give you wings rather than inhibit your life. And seriously, what lead to a miracle was made out to be dangerously psychotic. Fortunately, it got this social worker out of my life who was so off, and like a synthetic intelligence program who spun some delusional handle on anything as if there was some other devious meaning to it, spiced this up with lies to such a degree that it makes me wonder WHAT she was on.

    She could have ruined my whole life had she control over it, and I was the one that was supposed to be dangerously psychotic!?

    Instead I have a deeper understanding of life, where miracles are allowed.

    And don’t do this! Don’t sit and groan about something that makes you think it gets in the way of your ability to function, when in reality, would you look at it clearly it’s nothing but sane compared to the straight jacket of limitations you’re supposed to believe is what you need to find your way: your way in what? WHAT subset of fabricated beliefs are you supposed to be imprisoned in, where everyone is holding onto them to such a degree that their lack of logic needs you to feel there’s some loss when you find you’re not inhibiting yourself in such a fashion to take part in this @#$_(#$()#$%*#$%(#$)%(). EVEN when you don’t know why you did that. It’s OK. It’ll make sense in the end.

  • To simply read that someone takes the trouble to take down the whole myth that “schizophrenia” is some terrible genetic condition, that there’s something as terrifyingly wrong with you as faulty genes or a brain that’s not working, and have it, with clear science pointed out that it comes from trauma, stress and bullying, anyone that has had to deal with such a “diagnosis,” gets information they need to hear in order to be able to relate to themselves further, would they want to understand for themselves who they are.

  • I think the correct generalization is that when you’re not fighting against it, you’re not starting a war. In this case against the very miracles of genetics, chemistry, and physiology that allow for thought.

    And that generalization works for so much. Where did the body come from, all matter “for that matter,” is there any harmony there beyond our ability to control (to see, to police, to regulate, to harness) other then allowing it space to do what it does, when we are given the blessing to experience it?

    The one time I was made out to be “because of non reality based thinking” supposedly someone who might become violent (for no other reason than I communicated things others didn’t understand, in reality because it was spiritual, and in the end cleared up the understanding with what would even metaphysically be called a miracle), this diagnosed “non reality based thinking” which was supposed to be a symptoms of a “disease” turned out to be nothing but yet unprocessed material (of thought) that lead to understanding beyond linear time, even why time exists. Or that we’re not separate from it. What is when we try to understand each other, rather than invest in alarmist propaganda that makes us believe we’re “safe” what if we instead try to understand each other that then time doesn’t have to repeat itself showing us we’re the ones causing this “danger.” (!?) The very essence of how the human spirit responds to, and actually transcends trauma, can heal from impossible trauma even, this is some danger? What if we could heal what trauma does rather than CONSTANTLY using it as a means of population control, reinvesting in it rather than exposing what it really does. What if a society was possible without all of the of militarism, jails, educational institutions with grades, economies run on who gets money and who doesn’t, societies giving out rewards for anyone complying to their compromises, all built on “sin” that can only be eradicated by traumatizing the guilty.

    Seriously, I touched upon a whole matrix of themes that went beyond time going round in circles, was cognitively in touch with what was being let go of to all for miracles, and then being stubborn enough to believe in one, and invest in it, when the physical healing took place, all of this stuff that was labeled as symptoms of “schizophrenia” became clear for what really the thought behind it was. But the investment wasn’t in fear. In fact to say “crazy” things, you have to already have shed that….


  • Of course deer talk, they just use a different language that doesn’t involve the highly corrupt mental constructs humans have, where if you put something into words that can come out another’s mouth and make it sound good enough propped up with fabricated logic then it’s the truth.

    Dolphins (and whales and primates) have as much of an experience of life as we do, Whales and Dolphins have been listed as non-human persons Yes that’s very true that one can communicate telepathically with dolphins.

    I don’t believe in original sin though, same as I don’t believe that it’s impossible to give without suffering loss, or that suffering is necessary for gain; nor that it’s unrealistic to forgive, nor that investing in those things don’t have a tangible effect that’s positive when you pay attention. No matter how much people think that’s crazy.

    I think you can give without suffering loss, that’s where the word forgive comes from, I also think we’re meant to enjoy life, and that includes not taking part in all the stuff we’re supposed to with the no pain no gain ideology. Letting go of something to allow what’s beyond it that our ego can’t see, that’s no loss, either.

    And back to the topic. The police are used all of the time in order to “police” it when someone is “mentally ill,” and a lot of that is because of someone having been coerced, advised or forced into taking medications that mess them up with side effect, or that have withdrawal symptoms; in fact Robert Whitaker points out such correlations real clearly. And it’s mostly starting when people are programmed to be alarmist about stuff they wouldn’t get points for being more tolerant or even interested in. What they really are doing is distracting themselves from what’s going on deeper in their “society,” and evading seeing what their compromises to fit in have done.

    Even miracles now. I really discovered that what was called a mental illness was in ways my conscious mind learning how to integrate spiritual things. Only in trying to express so much you come across really scary phobic responses, which can make you so anxious you start disassociating from your real thoughts. So I had to even forgive myself for not being able to “fit in.”

    So please, talk to dolphins, and the rest of nature…..

  • Joshua, dear man, what are you going on about?

    That joining Lenin and his fascist mob is better than going to a therapist?

    Or that no one is allowed to despair when things turn to death destruction and militarization, or there is something wrong with them?

    Like some “necessary” war against a mythological creature (the devil) which Jesus by the way never taught, it was the Romans when they corrupted Christianity that introduced original sin as a mind control method. Same As Hitler with his Reichstag (or what goes on with strategists in any war). When you make people think they are under attack you gain control over them because you can brainwash them what they need to do in response.

  • Rebel, I don’t see how what you say could have endangered anyone. i simply think that you don’t heal trauma by investing in looking at traumatizing others. And I think people have that much of an ability to create what they experience, what comes their way: if you invest in judging others to such a degree that you look for ways to hurt them, to traumatize them, no matter how just you think you’re acting, you’re causing the very thing you’re trying to prevent, and not just causing it, you’re perpetuating it. It’s like one kingdom, one empire after the other, each one with their propaganda as to why the prior one had to be destroyed, and it’s investing in being able to do that that causes the vicious cycle: it creates the ideology, it creates the weapons of war and societal resources, it glamorizes hatred and self righteous judgement. As you said, you don’t fight fire with fire, then you get burned. You also start the whole process quite blind seeing only what will perpetuate what you’re trying to stop, because that perpetuates it rather than it stops it.

  • If anyone would read that book, they would see a very good take down of how Freud and Jung both covered up trauma, particularly sexual trauma, and made up bizarre psychotherapeutical methods like Freud did with his penis envy or mythological complexes, and Jung did this with his mental abstract constructs involving symbolism making up spooky mental almost superstitious like symbolism, while he actually thought Africans were inferior and a woman’s place was in the kitchen. That’s during the time when sexual abuse wasn’t talked about, it was taboo, and racial and gender discrimination were rampant. THAT however is not about current therapy trends that acknowledge trauma. Things have changed. And there are some very good therapists that use trauma based approaches, and mindfulness etc.
    What does it express to share one book, take it out of context, and then say this proves all psychotherapists are bad? One can also share a book regarding the use of mercury as a medical treatment from the past, and then say all doctors are bad. Or one can share a book about Bambi, and say that this proves that the deer in the forest talk out of their mouth just like we do, as if that’s what it was about…

  • There are “psychotherapists” in and out of the “mental health system” who actually DO help people. Inside it, and outside of it. Whether you want to discriminate against all of them or not. I’m not even saying that it can’t be highly dangerous to talk to quite a lot of therapists, ones that only think along the bio chemical line and look for chances to force people into treatment. And then there are those that have no understanding of what the label as “depression” or “non reality based thinking.” And would think they have the right to diagnose stuff they have no ability to relate to for why it occurs. That certainly is something to avoid. however, you’re doing the same thing. Anyone looking for someone to talk to has something wrong with their thinking, and if they think they get anything out of it, that’s further a fallacy. And then anyone not stereotyping all “psychotherapists” isn’t in their right mind. And anyone that goes to a “psychotherapist” is capitulating to whatever it is you want to eradicate, and so where does it stop where YOU think you have the right to force them to do your will, and use the “mental health system” as a excuse. Neither of you interested in freedom. Or “will.”

    But the therapists that actually help people, and the programs like Soteria Project, Healing Homes of Finland, people like Eleanor Longdon and others, because they actually help people, people that are looking for help, that does something completely different then your militant inflexibility. That shows what heals, what heals people, what people are looking for and whether it escalates conflict with the “Mental Health System” or not (which it does) it HELPS the people rather than endangering vulnerable people stuck in the mental health system, by demanding they take on extremist views which would be used against them, would label them non compliant, would take away their civil liberties, and could and would end their lives. THAT actually is changing the mental health system. Whether you think something more militant needs to be done or not. The present “mental health system” also started with what the Quakers did with their asylums, although that’s highly corrupted. What you go on with is like saying that all of Europe should have been destroyed, all the buildings, all the museums, everything, when Hitler took over. The model the Quakers had worked, so does what a lot of other people do, to destroy all of that in order to take down some evil you feel everyone is supposed to be pundits in your just war against, that’s again highly counter productive. And I don’t see it’s working, when what other people do is helping has helped and will help, people who simply are interested in helping people rather than drafting them into wars and escalations. You might consider you are endangering lives the same as the “mental health system.” Both of you are.

    Nothing really has changed with such militant behavior, it just goes round in circles. And what I already said, people don’t come here to once again be told what to do, how to think, what to believe, and harassed with insinuations that they “must.” They hear that enough regarding propaganda from the drug companies.

    And I’m through going on about this, and having to read responses, which I didn’t have to read to begin with, knowing what the predictable “reaction” would be, to find that yet again, that’s that…..

    Is the world really going to end if everyone doesn’t take part in your ideological war? You or the other side you’re trying to “eradicate.”

  • Saying the whole mental health system must be eradicated is EXACTLY giving the people pulling the stops the excuse to say: “look here, all these people need help and those radicals would stop it,” and then list all of the corrupt statistics of increasing mental illness, school shooting, loss of productivity, and fail to include how much psychiatric drugs are in collusion with that. Instead making such extremist remarks as that the whole mental health system must be eradicated gives the drug companies what they need to cover up what they have been covering up, because there are “those people” that would prevent us from helping and saying our system needs to be destroyed. With such statements about “the mental health system” you give the drug companies (and ANYONE not caring to understand that extreme expression of being human that the symptoms they judge express) EXACTLY what they are looking for to implement more fear mongering. It’s un-nuanced, it’s unintelligent, and it’s no different from what you say you are trying to change. Further more, there are people in “the mental health system,” that know what’s going on, and beyond that also know how to truly help people who are coming for help. Making extremist remarks, giving the drug companies again the ammunition to say that disabling the mind is healing, push to the side all the therapies and help that do show to promote healing, that’s highly counter productive. And it prevents the people in the “mental health system” who are making change, and can make change by showing what heals from doing that. Instead you have more duality, and you give those interested in making alarmist evaluations with all of their clout, and money and connections EXACTLY what they want to make out they and the rest of society is under attack. And it covers up what does help.

    And I wrote this whole remark without even having to read the response. Again. It’s THAT predictable.

    Brain washing is brainwashing, no matter which side of the alarmist duality both sides are spouting you’re being indoctrinated by.

  • I had a friend, who committed suicide 2007, and there were a whole gang of people working to get her committed. In the process they had scared her so badly, that she tried to get away from them and ripped her Achilles tendon on my bike, which was locked so you couldn’t take off on it. Then she just ran away trying to get away from the people that had threatened to have her committed. At that time she really wasn’t doing anything, although she was going through a florid period. The first thing her “friends” did, after she went running off, was make up an untrue story that she was running around naked, and then they trespassed into her house and called her case manager. When I called over there telling them that it was clear my friend didn’t want them in her house, and I would call the police, I got a sarcastic reply of: “would you!?” knowing they would tell the police more alarmist fabrications, and so I never called the police. And after awhile she was being arrested on her own property, with these “friends” filling the police with alarmist fabrications, I happened to come by on my bike and when my friend simply greeted me kindly, telling the police I was a really nice guy, a police man actually told me to move on or I would be arrested, when I asked if I could ask him why, he told me I would be interfering with an investigation. I then went to my parents house, and decided to call the non emergency police and inform them how her “friends” had trespassed into her house, and I actually was told by the police a completely lie, that she had been taking off her clothes in public, which she hadn’t. I only learned this after she got out of the asylum. I was interfering with an investigation!?

    But no, in the mental health system it’s not so simple as that police only remove someone that’s trespassing, they don’t necessarily honor that you have any of your own territory that can be trespassed on. You also can’t do anything that other people do abundantly without a diagnosis. And when my friend was in the asylum, which is made out to be a medical establishment, they never looked at her tendon to see whether it was ripped, although it was swollen up to the knee, and so instead of her getting medical help, her leg was ruined.

    This is just taking things lightly, actually. I could go on for pages. The amount of stuff people make up, thinking they are protecting someone from themselves or others, it’s really not the person who is having a crisis who is paranoid, when you look at the statistical, medical, and societal results of what the mental health system does. And none of how traumatizing it all is is even considered, let alone the medical damage done with “treatment,” the declining potential for recovery, the stigmatizing, the loss of civil liberties, the disenfranchisement and the discrimination and the dehumaniziation.

  • Dreaming is how the mind creates perspective, just like reading a novel.
    And then there’s waking dreaming, something most people do when they think that drugs are magic, that fitting into the fashions of the day makes you part of a community, that parking your rear end in church makes you Christian, and part of a community, and some deity sparkles about your “purity,” or that following rules that allow you to acquire money or not be arrested for being human, that that’s making it. And then there are those who can’t adapt to all of that with their dreams, dreams that would lead toward enlightenment were they allowed to express themselves, and there you have “schizophrenia.”

    To understand that language, rather than disable the mind, you get “healing,” or simple tolerance.

    When my “schizophrenic” thoughts, the exact ones that were made out to be the most “dangerous” started making sense, is when a miracle happened in my life. But that’s another way of looking at thought in general. It wasn’t even trying to fight against the people saying I was crazy, delusional, it was just being interested in healing, and this miracle.

    And it worked.

    Just meditating twice a day for 20 minutes, and not blocking off the thoughts saying what’s possible and what isn’t….. that might create a whole other reality.

  • It’s quite scary, this.
    When psychiatry starts doing this it’s mostly denial. The emperor has no robe on syndrome, or such strange concepts as statistical based norms, consensual reality deportment, peer pressure, social bondage.

    Our “society” glamorizes the ability to coerce people into behaving a certain way, and the right to traumatize anyone who isn’t coerced becomes a commodity. Thus when people start showing signs that it’s not working you get all of the diagnosing.

    My parents are both psychologists, and God bless my mother who blossomed into spirit July 9th 2021, 94 years old; but when they were so bent on forming us, that not only would we be filled with anxiety would we start having our own thoughts about what they were trying to instill us with, that lead later in life with me into not knowing I could think things through, and disassociating into all of the behaviors that the article talks about. And beyond that my parents weren’t much interested in helping with very simple tasks everyone should learn, like brushing your teeth well. this is like not psychology but mind control. With me it was just too much [WAY too much] coffee, and before that smoking, which also didn’t help me think things through. After awhile it did put me in these states for about a month or two that I could be called “psychotic,” although that’s nothing to do with it but labeling it something to deny the trauma causing it. And it DOES become so dangerous realizing how abandoned you really were, in what kind of a hole you’re left in regarding society, that actually consciously gaining perspective on what you didn’t understand yourself regarding your behavior, the emotions are so strong, that yes many people commit suicide. As happens when someone with multiple personalities starts remembering what they suppressed.

    It’s not easy to break down all of the reflexes you’ve built up to push your real feelings away. And for years I wasn’t hardly aware of it at all. And being that society is also based on making people addicted to commodities in order to push their feelings away, it’s not like basic behavior that’s considered “social” is much of a help. And then you have psychiatry diagnosing you depending on whether you’re going along with the machinery that pushes not only you, but what it is to be human to the side. And then they have these phrases about a better life, being able to grieve in a normal way, make you more phobic about any response that’s breaking away from the mold that you might find uncomfortable, thus. I actually never believed their stories about medications, although I couldn’t just ignore that I was having symptoms of what they labeled as a psychiatric disorder. That was one of the most difficult things, being able to see that, wanting it to actually change, but knowing that they actually could force me into “treatment” that would prevent me from healing, and I’m also a creative artist and knew that it would compromise if not destroy my creative energies. But somehow in the end I was able to gain perspective.

    There’s different parts of the mind. There’s the part that takes on the indoctrination you were forced into accepting, also at a subconscious level with reflexes you don’t really know you’ve acquired. And then there’s the part of you trying to gain perspective, and will step back and allow these sometimes quite disruptive reflexes taken on because of indoctrination to emerge, so you can see they are there. And that could just be behaviors you’ve seen echoed in your parents way of responding. Then there’s other spiritual things that can emerge, because you’ve stepped back from controlling your behavior, more stuff society doesn’t want to believe exist.

    It’s not easy, then I find myself in that mind set again, that rhythm of pushing thoughts away without knowing it.

    You do reach a point where you have to see that in encountering really indoctrinated behaviors you don’t understand at first, but when you see the trauma from your youth there’s perspective, that you can only see that must have happened to those who traumatized you.

    And you have to be real human. And discard the image of what it would take for people to think you are a “saint.”

  • I seriously don’t know what to say because what I have encountered is that miracles really happen without it [Haldol], or the other “miracle” psychiatric drugs. And that’s not just a descriptive adjective, when I use the word miracle. I mean a miracle, something that can be completely normal as an experience of something. Regardless of statistical based norms, game theory and its fears, consensual reality deportment or other such adornment. If reality deported itself based on consensual beliefs, that’s QUITE a deportation….

  • Somehow, I don’t think the shooting of children in Texas was done by someone who actually created the ridiculous indoctrinations that:
    1) Guns are necessary.
    2) When Angry get violent and act out (I think that’s more a “we” thing, and “general” given the way people behave: what’s in the “entertainment” that there are jails, militaries, even street gangs etc,)
    IN FACT the shooting of children in Texas is more a display of how RIDICULOUS those beliefs are, when someone is lost how to behave. In fact the whole media blitz about that, while excusing Ukraine (as if there’s a solution there thanks to violence from EITHER side), denying what’s been going on in Yemin, all of Africa, the other places like Iraq and Afghanistan decimated. The “we” of it is more going on in Ukraine, where all sides excuse it, mostly.. In fact, such beliefs are more general, with all sorts of excuses. The saintly stance of “we don’t do that,” denying the rest of what’s going on…. THAT is a generalization, or worse….

    That there is such investment in manufacturing guns, the whole military industrial complex, that IS a “we” thing, or are there countries that exist as communities WITHOUT such!?

    It is different when someone actually looks into what someone is saying, because most of the people saying “we don’t do that,” are more part of what keeps it going, while folding over supposed moral excuses for what perpetuates the very thought that it leads anywhere but more of what the cause is to stop what result is coming from the cause that’s said to be necessary to stop the result, while the cause is causing the result (sound familiar!?)….

    By saying it is a “we” thing, that points out where the whole idea comes from that such violence has ANY excuse, and why it comes out in such a manner from people that have nothing to hold onto anymore as to how to respond. THAT might have stopped what happened in Texas, when all of the “we don’t do that,” never will.

    Admitting that it’s a we thing, would actually change society, rather than excusing much worse things, as well as what doesn’t change when it’s denied as a we thing…..

    I understand perfectly what Diaphanous weeping is saying, neither do I have to call myself a therapist to do so.

    But of course to dissect things, and when it is fragmented enough, one does have to start going on about black and white, because there’s that “fragment” that’s then……

  • Mr. Unger, you’re not talking about feelings, in fact you’ve misrepresented them. Feelings when really allowed WILL have the intelligence to know whether it’s safe to express them. And will lead to a safe place. And to separate such intelligence from feelings is quite intrusive, as if the person doesn’t have that kind of intelligence. In fact allowing feelings will find answers that such analysis never will, even when you think YOU have the answer because you’re being rational. If the rational mind had sway over life, I don’t even want to consider what evolution would have ended up being.

    But thank you for pointing out once again what kind of a mind expletive-deleted to avoid.

  • Sorry, but what a (almost used the world pathology)….
    Tries to start again (must have been reading a certain terminology)
    What a smorgasbord of scientism..

    You know, since man has existed there has been art, and the need to experience emotions at a multidimensional level. Which is what art is, it’s also why you respond the way you do, the whole day, not only when you consciously feel a certain way. Because emotions are multidimensional, and honoring that they are expressed, and one can gain perspective, one sees the beauty of life, all of it, even the stuff that we label as negative.

    I’m sorry, but when I read: “When psychotherapy works, it is because it successfully alters the problematic beliefs into adaptive beliefs like: ‘My thoughts are controllable, I control whether to follow my negative thoughts or leave them be, thoughts arise spontaneously, but I choose what to do with them; I can get in contact with my painful emotions and traumas without them escalating or overwhelming me, I control whether to give my emotions and thoughts attention, and if I choose not to, they are temporary by nature and fade rather quickly; I am not wrong or faulty, my painful emotions often indicate that something is wrong, which I’m supposed to listen to, understand, and potentially act upon’.” and the rest of it, this almost sound like some “miracles” of one can control the weather, as in that one can control one’s negative thoughts. I can get triggered by all sorts of things, one example is trying to work with ANY digital device, when it seems ALL of them by now are CLOGGED up with encompassing commercials, and the “economy” of marketing. Having encountered the plethora of pesterings and harassings one encounters in these times simply wanting to research something online, all in the name of “free market,” or in other words, if you have enough money you can join our brain washing cult. Even anything that’s delayed can start bothering me. I somehow don’t think that simply thinking: “this anger is negative thoughts, and I can control them, I can decide not to follow these thoughts,” when perhaps I then might have no idea what’s triggering them, and then never actually find out what it is that bothers me, and what my mind wants me to be wary of because that’s labeled as allowing my “emotions” to overwhelm or escalate me. AND what’s quite strange is that someone, or anyone can write music actually depicting that anger, can put it in a poem, can paint it, can use it to create perspective in a novel, can dance it, and then have it used as “entertainment” because it’s a stimulant that perhaps people STILL don’t want to see WHY, and the trigger AGAIN is exploited rather than the poor artists understand how multidimensional his emotions are. Going to “therapy” might AGAIN rob him of such understanding.

    “thoughts arise spontaneously, but I choose what to do with them”


    Isn’t this why people talk about the weather so much, because they’d want to control it!?

  • In other words, when someone needs the most help to not be thrown into the system, then the “ARMS” system makes sure they end up being lost. It’s most predatory to the people who need to NOT be treated in such a manner.

    This whole paragraph, for example: “The authors point out that the first episode of psychosis is heterotypic (e.g., it can present without a prodromal period or be preceded by a mood disorder). This shift, they argue, is supported by the high rates of comorbidity and varying outcomes seen in ARMS patients, such as developmental or non-psychotic disorders, clinical improvement, not developing a psychotic disorder, or continuing to experience subthreshold symptoms and suboptimal functioning.”

    Points out that those who have the most need to understand what’s going on, because it doesn’t go away, and thus needs an approach which is based on understanding rather than discriminatory diagnosis, that they are MOST likely to be thrown into a system which will prevent them from understanding. By calling it something that it’s not. And it points out their inability to relate to the natural emotional-spiritual-cognitive symbolism or matrix of associations that need legroom, and need someone that can help a person create the matrix to understand themselves: the person’s own history, their own experiences, the associations they have, how things effect and trigger them, and the rest of it. To call a person ARMS who has a greater need, because they’ve experienced more of what society doesn’t acknowledge as effecting a person, and thus need an approach that acknowledges that rather than there’s more excuse to deny it using “ARMS”: that is simply fixated on an ideology regardless of whether it works, instead looking for a way to make out it would when out of desperation it looks like something more “critical” needs to be used. That’s fear based, not reality based. Locking people up, drugging them so their whole response system is suppressed, making them and the rest of society paranoid about their own responses using ARMS terminology….

    WHY do I have to look up what ARMS is other than it’s some jargon used!? There’s no explanation of this ARMS jargon in the whole article, as if everyone knows this is something because there’s a extraction for it. A cozy acronym. And the whole rest of the jargon used.

    What is “EYE!?” Every Yawning Exactitude as in there they go again with their pretensions.

    There must be some immense collects of EYE somewhere in another dimension under the menu “bait used for exploitation.”

  • Sara, I wonder what kind of “wild” ideas you have about psychiatry, as put forth by your ex husband.

    For example that science is science, and one should report the truth rather than supporting ideology?

    That anyone would ever have to take part in such game theory manipulations as to whether there’s loss in supporting the truth: as if there’s loss when science is science rather than ideology.

  • Yeah but “horseshit” is potentially fertile….
    Let’s not insult animals. Give a gang of primates typewriters to type on, and considering evolution, before anything would come of it akin to the DSM, they might have evolved passed such discriminatory….. (I DID almost use that word now….)

    or bulls….

    I can’t believe this stuff, actually. It’s like an exercise in intelligence can one actually decipher how corrupt these “scientific” processes are that are exploited to make out it’s a “disease” when there are “symptoms,” exhibited by people not adapting or assimilating themselves to statistical based norms.

    It took me awhile just to make out once again how they come up with technical sounding procedures in order to excuse promoting incoherent logic and data. As for example how when a pair of twins are both found schizophrenic, that their total is 4 because it’s two people with a twin, but when there’s no concordance (only one is “schizophrenic”) then it’s just 2. There’s another holy mumbo jumbo name given for that, as if it’s scientific. Or anti-depressant trials where most people have to leave the trial who are in the control group, because of bad side effects and they aren’t counted, and anyone in the non control group getting “better” within the first couple of weeks is dismissed and not counted, and people already on psychiatric drugs are put into the trials, and people with side effects of the anti-depressants are given sedatives while on the trial, and yet with all of that and more it’s only a marginal improvement whose effectiveness wanes off after a few years and there’s more recycling, and none of the trials with bad outcomes were reported, and earlier antidepressants always had better effect as do no drugs when a perspective on time or side effects are looked at. Or putting people already on and physically addicted to a substance in a trial for another such substance and when anyone in the non control group is having withdrawal symptoms that ANYONE on such a drug would have when abruptly taken off then it’s a symptom of the disease rather than withdrawal symptoms (by this time going over all of this I already have psychiatric symptoms because it’s overloading to try to remember all of it, let alone infuriating and saddening, and these lies are what anyone with a psychiatric diagnosis is told also, and would you know the truth it’s already extremely distressing and overloading having encountered such to be confronted with the same)… I have to clear my mind to remember what else I’ve already encountered (One lady I was a buddy to had been drugged up to find it made her catatonic and didn’t help and it took her years to be able to read a whole page and be able to cognate what kind of mumbo jumbo was going on when what made her sick was made out to be a cure)…..

    Oh yeah, and how at first they tried to make out that clear signs of how their medications caused brain damage instead was a sign of the disease, which had to be straightened out against their will the same as the warning that anti-depressants can make people homicidal and or suicidal.

    That all being only part of it, the “magic” of psychiatric drugs.

    And in reality, you’re only dealing with normal responses to life that don’t fit with a fear based populace that are terrified of exhibiting signs of non conformity. And one isn’t allowed to articulately point out what’s going on with the “society” to begin with when it causes such normal responses that expose there might be something going on that needs attention.

    What’s sad is when people are trying to still fit into such a society, even when they are rebelling against psychiatry. A society that uses fear based trauma as a mind control method thus making that out to be how one maintains harmony, and thus has a whole arsenal of people trained to traumatize others that are rewarded when they do so and thus can become pathologically mesmerized with hurting others and yet these people are used in order to “discipline” society, is it a wonder that such a “society” doesn’t acknowledge signs of trauma, even when it comes from behavior it says is illegal such as child abuse?

    And then when things change without such a need of training others to “justly” traumatize others, this again isn’t acknowledged.

  • Can someone tell me whether I translated this correctly (don’t know what to call such jargon as “scientology” is already taken so might call it “scientism”);

    “The most common sample size for these studies is 25 people. At that size, if you conducted two different studies, they could easily each reach the opposite conclusion about the correlation between brain findings and mental health.
    “High sampling variability in smaller samples frequently generates strong associations by chance,” the researchers write.

    The established method for dealing with this is to increase the threshold for statistical significance (called a multiple-comparison correction). However, according to the researchers, this can actually backfire in these small MRI studies because it inadvertently ensures that only the largest—and thus, least likely to be true—brain differences end up passing the significance test and then being published.”

    What that’s saying is that you can keep on testing a sample of 25 people looking for a social construct that without “scientistically correlating data” remains a social construct rather than a disease, and that as long as you up the correlation then it’s considered more accurate. In other words, one can go back to “hysteria” and women with red hair, and as long as one keeps testing samples of 25 long enough, and one finds after any number of tries, perhaps 800,000,000 that are all discarded till one gets a sample where 19 women with red hair all have “hysteria” that there’s a genetic correlation with the red hair gene and hysteria, but this wouldn’t be the case with 14 or 15 women out of 25. And it helps that there is a great difference of hair types, because if more people had red hair the sample would be more representative of the whole were all red haired people looked at, which doesn’t meant that that’s applied here, because then were a larger group available to test that would have to be used instead of whether any smaller group that’s separated from a larger group with the same variable does have said correlation when the correlation threshold has been upped to be used in the smaller group rather than that there’s no correlation in the larger group when the threshold is smaller. Neither could one dismiss any testing that doesn’t have the correlation, although with the same variables.

    I’m just curious statistically at what threshold one would end up getting a correlation for anything remotely possible using a smaller group with an “increased threshold for statistical significance,” and at how many repetitions of a smaller group with an “increased threshold for statistical significance” one would eventually make any potential supposed “significant” connection. I mean potentially also, given that for some reason the rules haven’t been bent so much such that humans have said alleged disease (that without correlation only remains a social construct) because they are really monkeys or lower forms of life such as savages (this isn’t a statement against monkeys or savages), or that so and so has said disease because another “human or monkey or savage” goes flying around on a broomstick at night and has a friend with a tail, horns, and is quite red of complexion (although this “used” to be science, this is presently outdated?); I mean when is it possible to prove (using math and potential regarding probabilities) that a group of monkeys with type writers actually wrote Shakespeare’s plays (or the Bible) because this upped statistical threshold was repeated often enough. And would psychiatrists go looking for these amazing creatures given a time machine to go such trillions of years into the future where it would have somehow occurred or should this be illegal being that it’s abusive to the monkeys, or does it give the psychiatrists something better to do?

    THAT way one could simply use math, and might discover that monkeys with type writers, given a trillion years or so could have written everything known to man, or (given probability theories) that when looking for “psychiatric” data enough amongst divergent groups one could make up any diagnosis one wanted to entertain, and with present psychiatric research find this “correlation.” And what limitations are there on this “scientism” given that sadness or grief are psychiatric symptoms, or not wanting to pay attention in school, or not conforming to social norms, or not wearing clothes, or being traumatized by trauma…..?

    This REALLY is just amazing stuff….


    Thus ANYTHING unusual enough to occur in a small enough group, once under inspection enough to find a big enough correlation of anything that can be seen as a psychiatric disease: TADA this becomes a correlation at large!?

  • I have my own art, and also a “diagnosis.” Here’s a piece a wrote just because I and a group of facebook friends had been trying to help someone with a “borderline personality disorder” diagnosis, and this music started playing through my head: And then there’s this whole youtube site, although I haven’t added anything for more than ten years really, although there’s stuff I’m getting ready to start recording:

    This isn’t just the looting of art from “crazy” people, it’s the looting of whole cultures and societies. Art has become a commodity, an escape, a sensual product, “beauty” one can own (along with the artifice it takes on to become a commodity) rather than what it is meant to be, something spiritual that gives the soul and the spirit and emotions a home, and expresses that life has meaning beyond our attempt to control it.

    I’m sure that Mr. Charlie English thinks that he’s helping these poor crazy people, that writing a book assuming he’s promoting their art, and then ignoring as far as I can tell the whole hypocrisy that medical treatments proven to cause chemical imbalance, regarding illnesses that are said to have chemical imbalances although this is only alleged and hasn’t been proven, that what causes what is listed as the cause of a disease is allowed to be touted as appropriate compassionate healing and enforced. But this is how it always goes. The same as how everyone assumes that the whole congregation in a church, school or any other “public” even being clothed (with appropriate fashion, costume or uniform) that it’s a decent gathering. The whole thing is so ridiculous that I make such a jab about it.

    I read this article a few days ago, and find I have to fight the tendency regarding my own art to not give up in sharing it, the kind of discrimination going on, that it can’t just be art for its own merit, but that it has to be dressed up in proper social regalia before even being considered. There’s an article regarding Mr. English’s book in the guardian where it’s even speculated whether one can tell whether someone is schizophrenic by their art. Can they find the weapons of mass destruction corporate media touted as the excuse to invade Iraq, although they were never found, is that to be found in a painting as well? Or the holy grail, or the formula for eternal life, or…. I mean let’s be serious about this, if you can find signs that someone has a disease that in reality is only an alleged condition yet to be proven to exist as a disease (otherwise poverty is also a chemical imbalance rather than a social construct) then why not go for the money and find everything else one wants to believe in but doesn’t want to investigate!?

    As a composer pianist, I won a local competition to have my music performed 2001. Symphony musicians and the head of a college music department played and sang my music. Before that I really only was “disabled” and having not given up on music still composed it. Having a keyboard and a computer, when completely at a loss for what to do in life, and rather than simply exploding in aggravated distress at being completely disenfranchised I could go to the computer, start composing, and would feel a white light surround me that would calm me and give my reflexes a place to be active, and I “composed” music, although I might argue it was the mind itself, or nature, or God, but really just a place someone could go rather than being assimilated into a society which really mostly saw art as a diversion, a sensual commodity rather than an expression of the human soul.

    That was 2001, but since then, and bringing my piano playing abilities out of the grave, I started performing again. Just myself, little free concerts, and then just at my own place, stuff recorded for a community TV channel. I still am quite confounded at the amount of discrimination one encounters. And a lot of it simply is that as an artist one is supposed to be a commodity, and also having a “diagnosis” and not being secure in oneself enough to not be driven “crazy” by insensitive behavior; people can be highly exploitive, and even unprofessional and harassing, but when this effects you when you don’t know how to respond, then if they can make you out to be inappropriate or crazy, they can continue being exploitive and unprofessional. I was really happy 2001 to find an outlet for music I didn’t know would ever see the light of day, but totally unprepared for the amount of bizarre discriminatory, insensitive, confusing, exploitive and corrupt, dishonest and even illegal nasty responses one could get was one really involved with what I thought would be having one’s art acknowledged.

    And in essence it was really just — art was — really just a place I could go to find a place for my emotions, my spirit and my soul to have a home and express itself, or find space to be, for what one might say “God” had given me. It had become nothing but that for me, after I had been put in this space of having an alleged disease. That’s where I could go and breath again. When I got the diagnosis, I have to add that I had then already, from actually the highest commodities of “fame” in classical music, gotten attention out of nowhere (I knew so and so would show up in my life somehow, and he was putting the furniture into a new neighbor’s house because he had met her when playing for their orchestra), and just before that had had a whole year where a whole group of spirits had spoken to me through a trance medium or other mediums (Chopin, Mozart’s mother, Tchaikovsky, Vivaldi, Stravinsky, Clara Haskil, Bach, Nadia Boulanger) and so I already was in a field of thought that was simply art, NOT how one is to be to make it and be part of current exploitative trends. I can’t say that dealing with the mediums wasn’t highly confusing, in comparison with the spirits, regarding exploitative behavior, and I really had no idea how aggressively exploitative the current music world could be at the level of what I encountered out of nowhere, thinking it would be different, either. I didn’t even know what was going on. I had had a whole social falling out, and extreme discrimination going on regarding the mediums and the spiritualist churches I had been involved with. I hadn’t had a good childhood at all, either. Both parents being “psychologists” had a whole gamut of ideas regarding how to analyze children, how to control them and how to make themselves out to be more objective and understanding while not really attending to their children in ways normal “unenlightened” families did and do. I couldn’t really encounter simple difficulty in my life without encountering such stress from never having been nurtured to express myself enough to understand my own instincts, that I lost it. the whole matrix of being able to navigate through to what one really thought wasn’t there, only the stress that would I not think said way I’d meet with harsh disabling criticism. Then my mother got a psychiatrist friend of hers to diagnose me to get me on disability, mostly because she didn’t want to believe that what really happened to cause me distress had really happened, and being on disability, although it gave me the space to allow music and the other arts to express themselves without having to be commodities one gets paid for, the neglect and the immense confusion regarding the lies of the drug companies and diagnosis, and social paranoia and stigmatizing, and consequently having more difficulty because of trauma from all of that added to it….. how is one supposed to know what’s going on?

    I have somehow come out of it. I don’t know how. I don’t know how I statistically have survived while most people like me would be stuck in a foster care facility having no civil liberties anymore, other than having to act appreciative that their mind is disabled with “medications” and that they are cared for when their nature is suppressed and they have become commodities for the drug companies, the psychiatric establishment and all of the “good will” that believes their lies and disinformation.

    And it’s like one would get more respect would one believe the lies. As Charlie English goes on about, it would seem.

    A local psychiatric facility had music of Beethoven and art of Van Gogh on a commercial, announced that these people both had psychiatric illnesses, and actually advertised their ability to “fix” people up. Why not write a book about what’s wrong with all the great artists, and list their diagnosis, if not during their life posthumously. Why not cater to the fear people have of art that’s so mesmerizing that people don’t understand that it doesn’t come from people that model the morals of society. There had to be something wrong with Mozart because he was happy simply that it was music, and knew its worth beyond the world’s way of thinking, as if there hasn’t been enough guff going on about that……

    It’s called what happens, and life, and how people survive trauma… If you think it’s sane, you’re REALLY not paying attention.

  • This is quite a labyrinth of let’s not say anything, much…
    To begin with, what psychiatry, mostly, does is take whoever wants to play their game, to dowse their mind and turn off any depth to experience and perspective that would take away from a consumer oriented superficiality, a social matrix that rewards pretension and the addictions that are mistaken for fashion and social bonding: and then rewards them with pats on the head, cupcakes in foster care facilities, peer support credentials that put permanent seemingly un-removable masks on their face of smiles and goodwill that anyone else can become part of such a privileged minority and ignoring what the drugs really do and lit up with their disability.

    Everyone else, simply endeavoring to be human has to deal with an onslaught and any natural reaction they have can fall under the discriminatory eyes social workers, psychiatrists, social engineers and other pundits of we-will-keep-you-alarmed-about-being-human-if-you-trade-it-for-our-fear-based-machinery have and bond with each other regarding all their paranoia stamped with approval by themselves and the machinery controlling them. Such natural reactions then are termed dangers (see above article referring to whether someone is deemed in danger, whether they really are, and skipping totally what the “medications” would have to do with it, as if funneling them into a system that statistically causes more suicides because of the medications is going to help them just because they have a “diagnosis” or have been identified as “suicidal”), any human natural response from someone with a diagnosis or “concern” becomes alarming symptoms, they can be embellished with a whole hoard of presumptions and lies and whether such is going on is completely overlooked because there’s this “danger” and acting vigilant is more important than knowing whether there is any danger, while adding up perceived dangers becomes more important to finding out whether there is danger or whether seeing what’s going on as danger is more dangerous in the long run then looking for “danger.” And if you become paranoid, and believe their lies, then you get to be the one, even listed above as getting the treatment they need. And if someone doesn’t believe the lies, won’t go along with predatory offering, ends up being met with “we give up you are hopeless,” and finds freedom, and in reality simply being alive and still walking the earth to show there’s a different way, they then are those that “didn’t” receive needed “treatment!?”

    And what does this “concern” add up to for “treatment!?”

    It really would be nice to read something that’s not going around in circles negating those not interested in the “rewards” of going around in circles as if they can be dismissed from actual regard concerning who truly is helping and who isn’t.

  • I have to add, by the way, that CONSTANTLY trying to read stuff on this site I am BOMBARDED with statements so prefabricated regarding defining sides of a debate, repeated over and over again, that I start failing to be able to see who actually has made an argument and who has refuted it.

    THIS article is so compounded with such that is seems to have no base to it: One could take out the identity of both sides, take them to the hospital, give them “treatment” to be whichever other side needs it (forced coercive “detox,” or forced coercive psychiatric “treatment,”) and you’d have the next tier of it, both having gotten affirmed by the other side as being healed, while it’s really gotten nothing but worse, more compounded, more complicated, and totally subversive.

    And will the insurance pay for it both sides are demanding…

  • Since “A Spoon full of Sugar,” thanks To Julie Andrews squealing around like the mice that Jesus supposedly couldn’t take care of as the Pied Piper, being a joke not passed: “So a man ran over a cat, and told the owner, who when offered by him to replace it asked whether he was good at catching mice…..”

    I won’t indulge in the recipe to keep Jesus at work, but this is ridiculous.

    When someone has been infiltrated with psychiatric abuse called treatment, and they are being observed constantly, to simply tell them there’s no stigma is like saying AGAIN that their withdrawal symptoms don’t exist. That when their mind tells them what will happen if they don’t titrate, and that if they just stop taking those “pills” that “medicine,” that then they have betrayed these radical extremists here putting forth they anyone not taking up the gun and sliver is betraying mankind.

    AGAIN as if thought has nothing to do with it.

    I’ve HAD IT MYSELF, that when I thought stuff was going on which was too much in the periphery for institutions to stop their dishonesty, and simply contact me about what I WITH THEIR HONESTY could have seen regarding sorting out what was improvised symbolism and what was activity THEY were hauling out against seeing what the symbolism represented. Which it did. And which exposed them. WITHOUT such feedback, what is one to do!?

    And how many ways is there stigma

    1) From the people saying you aren’t to allow stigma when it’s regarding taking what you need to keep from being caught by those saying there’s stigma. Only to be caught and used for FORMULAIC fodder of another sort for those saying they are rebelling. See, so and so suffered from YOUR TREATMENT, although if we hadn’t harranged them with loud inflexible noise they might have been able to listen to their own guidance, survived, and then helped us by relating to those we throw vitriol at.

    2) Stigma that you actually see stuff that needs working out, but those who could clear up enough of the JUNK they throw your way are too spoiled rotten thinking they are making way in the system to acknowledge the — IN COMPARISON — little things they could help you clear up did they respond to you without stigma in regards the total lack of concern and mobs of junk they equate with servitude for the masses.

    3) And then there’s stigma beyond all of it that there’s another way where thought it thought, and doesn’t change, and remains free, and isn’t some concoction of either side of the war regarding chemical imbalances and treatment, where one simply listens without having to breed another with the good will of creating cleavages, riffs, hostile boundaries, territorial disputes and then weaponry on all sides to keep every single territory claiming it’s a community from allowing harmony and peace, whether it’s military, medical, religious, political, economic, philosophical or any other ic, al, ous or ism….. all or some or one, or more of it claiming they are the bonding force[S].

    Well OK, I will tell you the recipe, it’s goose berries……

  • To begin with, I’m sure they have some rigid protocol going on looking for those who think it’s a man’s (a woman’s a dog’s an angel’s a cat’s the mice and rat’s: rabbits, coyotes and deer fox antelope and Penelope herselve’s) duty to be there to herald new and improved care for themselves and others that will come from overlooking anything that points out it might not actually be what they have invested in just because it’s part of what goes on in a hospital. The rest being so unsafe that they themselves might have to deal with what they project on others not going round and round insulting circles.

    And it’s simple advertising. Who actually is paying the magazine to have ads in it? Again, psychic blinders for anyone who decides that that’s what needs to be done, gangs in outer space await you just as long as you don’t have too many light years to traverse, or you’d have to stop going round in circles.

    You aren’t going to get anywhere with those people, as little as trying to get the zoo to stop putting animals in cages and calling that entertainment. Or Hollywood having cars blow up, and stereotyping bad guys to the newest fashion, while acting like they are past their old ones, or how candy companies act like the stress caused to follow one’s thought thanks to their enhancement of your “taste” buds, that that’s building strength and commitment, just because it’s part of all of that (going to church, having birthday parties, holidays and other celebrations, and going “out”). You aren’t going to get anywhere with those people when you go into their “space” and start yanking about what they don’t want to see. I think what you need to do is YOURSELF do things differently, and that might attract more than the double edged sword of trying to use a system that’s not working to change what won’t.

    How long does it take to bang one’s head against a brick wall before one realizes it’s a brick wall? And then stop banging your head and it’s not a brick wall anymore. Sit in your own space, and they’ll see they have none, as much as they accuse you of invading there’s because you have your own, which they think there’s a lack of.

    I’m not saying don’t look at evidence, and gently point out the flaws. But let them go on, and on and on, and wait, and when there’s a lull, just gently point out once again the simple lack in evidence. And then the laugh, because they think there’s some great flaw of logic on your part, because you point something out akin to that The King isn’t really in charge, not the CEO, not even who’s on the white porcelain throne having received the most votes. Let them laugh, and then just quietly and gently point out how you don’t see there’s loss, but instead gain that doesn’t require loss, and…….

    There are only two choices:
    1) you simply are human
    2) being human is something that wasn’t given, and in being human others will steal it from you because it can’t exist in them when it’s recognized for what it is

  • With the lack of outlets:
    Having just put a wooden sailboat kit together, to see how it actually works as an a-bottle-boat when the flat side is down to rest on the rim, and the other side has a peg in it to keep it from pushing off of it [the rim of the bottle], and wondering what this has to do with a boat in a bottle (take out “in a”)….

    People called “autistic” used to have all form of outlets. They could make boats in bottles, they could paint backwards from the mirror leaving it to be used properly in a creative manner rather than to coach Snow white how to please her man, they could add up how many stars makes magic, and why the sky gets dark at night, and they could save the little ones from fear of the dark, they could play with the horses outside and smell the grasses that held their stocks wound into baskets, they could remember what it was to feel the darkness of illness leave and the blossoming of each breath renewed with the smell of what blessing of nature’s that healed them, they could look at stones, knowing where they came from rather than have to answer stupid question like why the “chicken” crossed the road (is there a difference between gravel and feed?), which in these times is insulted would it not, then it would be a “chicken,” while bereaved of stating that would it, it wouldn’t be what its name is used for………

    And thus we have antistigma, “roll call” for who if not present to take their “meds” gets to have the police pick them up, or have to deal with the government needing info about area of-the-number-of-states-minus-one……

  • Dear Ashley, there’s one thing you haven’t mentioned. The USA is a country addicted to fast food, I think they actually defended it worldwide from being exposed (see court case against whether Mc Donalds is healthy), and it seems people in the US are more accustomed to picking up their food somewhere where they can skip going to the kitchen themselves. Which is an art form [kitchen work] as well as the rest that you mentioned.

    I’m quite a fanatic in the kitchen, but it’s only now, after having my own place for 13 plus year that I’m able to maneuver in the kitchen feeling comfortable at home there. For example making bread (sourdough) or also fermenting anything with too much phytic acid (ferment from raw peanuts on blanched ones that are easier to get now) to augment veggies, fruits and dairy produce. But what really gets me is that in foster care facilities, in soup kitchens, in boarding schools and even in jails, making their own meals seems to be left to people who…….

    And those are often the lowest paid jobs. A professor at a college, a minister, a computer programmer, a thief for Monsanto and the rest all get WAY too much money in comparison to kitchen workers.

    And I bet that most of the people despairing as to what to do, were they given a chance to play around with even the stuff that wall street sends into the fires, in order to keep the prices up [see here: where they lied about natural disasters or how the government actually pays to have food destroyed, when it would bring down the price, and then there’s by some miracle the fact that gas it isn’t considered a commodity, so there’s no futures on it… but there’s THAT also, alternative ways of providing for transportation. Think of all of the old Hobos (the ones poor Ernst Hemingway knew, and how he ended up quipping about shock therapy being such a great cure that one lost the patient, and didn’t have enough neurological matrix left to mention that then it’s even greater, one can say that it should have been implemented earlier)…. think of them being given the chance to play around with new ways to transport oneself, and those who are set up in a foster care, offered a cupcake a pat on the head, and denied access to making their own meals, new things to do with food that isn’t mainstream FDA approved dietary pillage…..

    Imagine that the people, all of them, that they were allowed to play around with news ways of [as in for-give zero point over unity the fish and the loaves ) doing all sorts of things…..

  • I have to add, actually, that prior to this, when I got more of a place for myself, I had talked with Anna, Mozart’s mother. Who I call Anna, and she likes the name enough, or somewhat enough….
    She had, about 33 years ago, suddenly channeled through a medium who was trying to give messages, but then she told me she had to put him in a trance because he was doubting the information. And I think it was just an emotional thing. But given the situation, it caused problems, quite a bit. The medium started acting like Voldemort in a way. I was told by another spirit talking through him that he had been “blown away” by the love between me and Anna, and then he started trying to control the energies. The last time I talked to her through him, she left saying: “No, Anna is not from the past,” and then when he woke up, he was going on that she was stronger than another entity. And again, he didn’t understand it. Then he started all sorts of power plays and resentments.

    So, I had asked her about this when I finally had my own place and I did this on my own not through a medium, and was quite upset, because it was more than a bit harrowing trying to figure out what was going on, and she finally said: “I just wanted a family.” And then I knew that she never had one, you see. And thus the tragedy with her father came out. I DIDN’T actually know that her mother was so abusive. I knew that she had spent most of her childhood in bed, and was even known as the girl that was always sick. And later in life, as Wolfgang’s mother, she died of consumption, again because of the stress also, still resonating from her youth.

    And she’s my other half, we’re together, so this idea of investment is going to come up, further more you can see what investments in psychiatric diagnosis, and drugs, what that can lead to. And more stuff STILL regarding homosexuality.

    This whole trial recently with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard, and the only way I see (I think I’m allowed to, whether that’s considered just opinion or not) that there’s any excuse for him denying all of the abuse, is that he doesn’t remember, because of the psychiatric drugs (administered because his “psychiatrist” decided he was bipolar) and then abusing psychiatric drugs with street drugs, and alcohol. And then also smoking, and he was demanding red bulls after another binge we all got to hear. All over the TV and Internet because he FORCED Amber heard to testify. And I believe her, which I don’t think is illegal. An abusive alcoholic that has blackouts safe behind closed doors, who has promised to change so his partner or friend is preventing his behavior from becoming known so he doesn’t get into trouble, or even doesn’t record it if necessary that he doesn’t, The alcoholic is now excused WITHOUT it being pointed out what alcohol does (another PRIME TIME commodity), or the rest of the substances that cause such behavior. How many school shootings are associated with psychiatric drugs and the information is withheld for “medical” reasons!? He [Johnny Depp] was coming off of Oxycontin, he was on Zyprexa, Adderal and Neurontin, he also smoked weed and cigarettes constantly, and drank more than he even remembered, and did all sorts of street drugs. I think that with the psychiatric drugs added, that he started exhibiting fugue states; or just simply when he couldn’t remember, or only had glimpses of it, that because he didn’t want to believe that he would do such things, that the psychiatric drugs “appeased” his desire to not remember, same as the whole court case now has done. He had a traumatic youth, and was used to dowsing his feelings, so in one way it’s understandable, but he isn’t anymore a child, even has children. He’s also not the most honest person either. Says so himself, that you can count on it that he lies. So we are to believe he’s not into not remembering, or even decides it’s no one’s business and then denies. No, I don’t believe Amber Heard was lying. Do I have the right to say that, or is that defamatory as well!? In fact, as it stands the whole English court system is defamatory, when a publication could defend itself, and had enough money to get lawyers. Amber didn’t have that anymore, from all of the cases she was forced to testify in, and she NEVER wanted to testify about any of it. If he thinks that the whole world is enamored of the American Court system, which has put more people per populace in jail than any other country, has put numerous people to death who were afterwards proven to be innocent, or even that there was more than a question regarding their guilt, when intelligent people saw clearly that there was more than enough doubt regarding their guilt (people not spending all their time getting their “fun time” dehumanizing someone on youtube, twitter, tiktok or the local bar), if he thinks that the whole world is enamored of the US judicial system, and that he has reinstated his position as a great actor, um…… I watched the whole trial, which was setup as a publicity stunt. Amber’s team didn’t want it on TV, didn’t want a jury, Johnny’s team actually played to the public vitriol with what I would call childish except it’s an insult to children, this na na NA you’re lying stuff. Turning any evidence around. fixating on details that could be blown up out of context, and misrepresenting them to begin with. It seems the problem with Amber’s lawyers is that they are decent people not trying to demonize anyone. When Johnny Depp actually stated that he thought texts that were sent from his phone weren’t from him, first saying: “I don’t know that you typed that up last night.” because he clearly didn’t remember, and when Amber’s lawyer decently stated: “You can be assured we didn’t type that up last night,” in a very calm empathic manner. Johnny then went on about other people could have been using his phone, and it was dropped. HIS lawyers would have had a field day: “Could you explain how we could have done this!? Is this akin to your being an expert on the difference between dog shit and human feces, that having nothing to do with resentments so severe against your wife that you ALSO texted about drowning her and then raping her dead body to make sure she’s dead!? Are you as sure what type of feces was in a bed, as to whether we typed this up last night!? COULD you explain how you could say you don’t know that we typed this up last night” And the rest of it. When he doesn’t remember what he said in the prior trial regarding whether he was drunk, he was being “nice.” That HE blows up the whole corporate media with stuff Amber was actually not wanting to report, this is all because SHE ever got a restraining order (and actually was told by her lawyer she needed to, rather than she wanted to), and had actual bruises. That of course is contorted out of shape. She had to show she had bruises to get a restraining order, otherwise she was covering them up, although there were multiple times they were still evident. But when SHE is enough in the public eye, that somehow TMZ knows she’s getting a restraining order (it could have simply been people following her, and noticed she went to where you get such a thing) then she supposedly alerted them, when she wouldn’t even know how to do that. But she can’t say she doesn’t know how they knew, and then she’s supposedly AGAIN lying!

    And the tragedy regarding the truth is that Amber KNEW Johnny wasn’t there. According to her, as she testified, while he was raping her, and molesting her, and bruising her, she could see that he wasn’t there, and said that IN COURT while testifying about stuff she never wanted to. She said he wasn’t there, it was all black behind his eyes, and she tried to get him to look at her, so that he would be there. That is wasn’t him. She was trying to get him to look at her so that he would become himself again. And then he promised he would change, and then he didn’t.
    And then she HAS TO start producing evidence that she never wanted to, BECAUSE Johnny started all these court cases, and she has more than most cases of domestic abuse would need, and actually exposing EXACTLY what the oped said, rather than there was proof of defamation.
    So now, Trump can get away with threatening to sue whoever for defamation. Johnny’s friend what’s his name is already doing that. I read that a lady had to tell two clients that if they mention their abuser, even without mentioning their name or their profession, that they can be sued.

    Amber never mentioned him in the oped. She also never actually alleged any violence. She said: “I became a public figure representing domestic abuse.” If you watched the trial, you would clearly see that there’s enough proof Johnny was abusive. Verbally, emotionally, and then there’s also to many people enough proof that he was violent, but that only came out because Johnny FORCED her to. She actually was protecting him, and thought he would change. But STILL there’s more proof than in most domestic violence cases, only we’re dealing with a commodity depending on an image, and someone who does so many controlled substances that it’s questionable whether he could remember at all how his trauma comes out due to the substance abuse. And then there’s a litany of people pointing out how paranoid he gets. When he starts using. She also said: “how institutions protect men accused of abuse.” rather than how institutions protect abusers. That’s AGAIN proven, added to that social media. And the headline “I spoke up against sexual violence,” which she didn’t write at all it was the Washington Post, she only tweeted the link to that article. And THAT is listed as if she “published it.” It COULD simply be that she didn’t want to be with a guy that tweeted about drowning her and fucking her dead body to make sure she was dead. To get away from such a guy IS speaking against sexual violence. Added to that the vulgar tweets referring to sexual organs he uses. Simply getting a divorce from HIM IS speaking against sexual violence.

    But HEH a jury that isn’t sequestered, is already in a court room that’s some sort of mobbing of Johnny Depp fanatics, inside and out, with a poor woman that’s already suffering PTSD and can’t express herself because of that, and thus isn’t all “calm and sedated” along with vitriol as soon as she steps out the courtroom, in real life, and in virtual reality….

    I’ll tell you something about Johnny Depp.

    He ALSO was all obsessed with “Nijinsky,” and REPEATEDLY referred to me as such, when in REALITY I have never had any direct conversation with him about any memories regarding that. It was SO ABSURD that when I went to a bar, and he was already smashed, when I sat down next to him, he acknowledged me with a business like nod, and THEN he started talking to the girl on this left about “Nijinsky:” “He’s vegetarian,” and honestly I don’t know what else. The girl probably didn’t know who he was talking about, and only replied with a dismissive: “People who are vegetarians,” as if this means they are lacking in something (strength). Johnny then pulled the Popey pose something he had unaccountably seen in childhood. Popey’s strength comes from spinach incidently, so it’s not any theme to start confirming that vegetarians lack in strength, but Johnny went off, and last I saw was vigorously proselytizing and philosophizing towards people who neither had any notion much what he was going on about, nor much interest. When I read Amber Heard trying to describe his behavior, when she says she ended up with a bruise from a cell phone thrown at her, and described how Johnny first acted like a pitcher revving up his throw, I saw the same flippant behavior. That’s my memory, honestly. I’m not allowed to have it, because someone else was so drunk he couldn’t remember?

    And back to the topic of the article these are responses to:

    Then another time, I had two cards for free coffees at a coffee house, and took a friend there, who didn’t drink coffee, so we acted like we had to sneak a coke in there for her, which went bouncing under the table, once we sat down. I was trying to secretly get it to her (as if we were being watched), and then I must have misjudged the room underneath the table. I had already felt quite on edge about something, and wondered why, but had no idea till, after the bumping of the carbonation under the table, I looked to my left, and there Johnny Depp was sitting on a chair, and he says to me (word for word):
    “Nijinsky, lick my asshole,” which was meant as some dear thing he wanted me to do for him, a sexual desire. And THAT was something he said while completely sober. So he should remember, but he’s so under the influence, that one can wonder whether his memory is intact anymore: or whether it’s in limbo for him to allow it back in, or whether he wouldn’t be honest, to begin with. Or when honesty starts dawning or creeping back in it’s dowsed with see list already mentioned of controlled substances.
    No, I didn’t respond to it. Even though he sounded like what before or after became his Willie Wonka. And AGAIN, like Brad Pitt, he can do the role of a gay person that no gay person could do. Or then, being more than 20 years ago, couldn’t. It was all over the news years ago that Brad Pitt wanted to do a gay role, although no gay person could; and then he wouldn’t marry till gays could, but we have to now hear constantly about his divorce proceedings, currently, ALSO involving court cases against his ex. He could do a gay role, just like Johnny has twice. Not someone that was out. But would he or any of a group of such be honest about their feelings, that they have fallen in love with guys, that they have had sex with guys, that they have had sexual desires for guys, THAT might save thousands if not millions of lives. That would tell people who live in a world where their idea of a partner isn’t welcomed in the open, where they can’t talk openly about their feelings, where they can’t even show their feelings, where they can’t even speak against discrimination without encountering abuse, to THOSE people to hear that such ikons have the SAME feelings they have, that would save lives, according to me. And THAT is way beyond the “morality” of I’m-for-gay rights-but-i’m-not-going-to-actually-talk-about-my-gay-side-because-it-would-get-in-the-way-of-the-commodity-of-my-image. That’s actually another thing that Amber Heard did do, she was completely open.

    And this wasn’t even my point, although it’s in context with this article I’m responding to.

    The point was that investing in psychiatric drugs, and treatment, according to me has brought a whole court case, that someone using psychiatric drugs to supposedly help his emotional issues, not only ends up not being able to consciously work them out, but they break out when he’s having a black out. Because he turned to other substances, legal and illegal.

    I don’t even know how this could be dismissed. If you do even a simple search for Zyprexa and alcohol, you get this:

    Alcohol and Zyprexa

    What Should I Avoid While Taking Olanzapine? Avoid drinking alcohol or using illegal drugs while you are taking olanzapine. They may decrease the benefits (e.g. worsen your confusion) and increase adverse effects (e.g. sedation) of the medication.

    That’s just Alcohol and Zyprexa. That isn’t also Adderal, Neurontin, coming off of Oxycontin or abusing it before hand (along with abusing the other psychiatric drugs), also hefty usage of street drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, also caffeinated drinks….

    How that can add up to someone that knows what they are doing? And that even when their conscious mind has concrete philosophy against violence, this doesn’t mean he doesn’t loses sight of what’s going fabricating a belief violence is necessary. Or thinks he’s acting. This is someone who has been trained to let fictional realities become something one believes in…..

    Apparently he paid this psychiatrist $100,000 a month to help him with substance abuse problems. Doesn’t seem like it worked.

    That’s different then, though. When you don’t do what your psychiatrist says. That’s being non-compliant, rather than “defamatory.”

    What a good boy you are Johnny…..

  • Just to be clear, since it’s quite a melange of stuff I’m going on about.

    The theme of Mozart’s mother’s father having lost everything, because he had made bad investments, that was just something that came up reflecting all of the paranoid behavior towards me. THAT is bad investing, in thought already, but that’s also how whole deceptive bubbles appear, not just social behavior (and then you can add this weird psychiatric idea of statistical based norms to what keeps it going, regardless that it’s paranoid, discriminatory or simply wrong) but also in economic bubbles. That’s how they create bubbles, stirring up volatility about something, creating paranoia, getting people to think they are under attack and investing in lies, which is mostly social, but in economic bubbles it’s trends that also have the same predatory bend to them. They are just trying to get people to invest in something, and keep it going until they know the bubble will burst, and then bail themselves out and run off with their money while everyone they conned is left with what they invested in suddenly plummeting in value.

    I WAS aware of such behavior going on, the simple thought mechanics of if, but was disassociating from the actual behavior; the dehumanizing paranoia. I thought that the yoga teacher was Mozart’s mother’s father, but I think she could have been his [Mozart’s mother’s father’s] wife, then. But then nine or ten years later, dealing with this infection: I actually didn’t get the tooth pulled or a root canal for five or six years, actually not following their recommendations, and was advised to get a root canal numerous times, but investing in spiritual healing the infection went away, and they now say to NOT get it pulled or a root canal, that they see no infection anymore. So, nine or ten years later I did run into someone that my mind recognized as Mozart’s mother’s father, and although I recognized him because he was rather restricted in what he tried to promote as what to invest in regarding the treatment, when I mentioned spiritual healing, he softened and had a truly adoring look in his eyes. Having such thoughts about his past lifetime, or what I thought was his (could have been simply symbolic) and knowing I had introduced something else to invest in which softened his whole demeanor in showing interest in, something that WAS worth investing in, I knew the infection would go away. In maybe a year or so I found a healer that helped me. And the infection is now gone.

    So this one idea of investments regarding someone who had lost everything, probably being conned by the economic system, and then the evolution of time, branches in the tree of reincarnation embracing miracles, lessons learned, how simply introducing something that’s worth investing in because it’s from a source that doesn’t lost in giving (spirit: for-give) that in ways was made out to be dangerous psychosis…..

    And it embraced so many things, one is going to get overloaded, and then all the paranoia was going on.

    There’s more stuff I could go on about, regarding hearing voices…..Because a spirit you all know regarding miracles had some thing to say, but I’ll maybe go on about that another time….

  • I’ll tell them a few things, and it’s questionable whether I would have to wear a mask.
    “You say that I’m a “schizophrenic,” or “schizo-effective” and yet that’s my very nature to be able to relate to imagery that’s too flexible to fit your ideas of reality-based, stuff not even imprisoned in the limitations you associate the physical work with.

    ONE EXAMPLE is how recently — and there are x-rays to prove it, but you’ll find some excuse that to you adds up rather than the simplicity of it’s reality — how I had a tooth infection, for maybe 5 or six years, and had enough of the dentists not telling me what I needed to know (all I needed to know was that I needed a bit to stop me grinding, which was traumatizing the ligatures on teeth that were bothering me because THEY had done some cosmetic work that wasn’t necessary, being that they are a center and student come there). It got infected, I went into alternative healing, actually changed my life, took phytic acid out of my diet, and then sugar, then found that colloidal silver sprayed with a water pik machine would keep it at bay (also chewing on garlic and ginger along with oregano oil), but it still was there. Then I got involved with a healer that works with energies beyond time, she has a healing sanctuary, and all one needs do is for twenty minutes twice a day sit and meditate (or once for forty), and indeed after the three months she specified, there was a healing spurt, and the infection got so much better that it basically wasn’t bothering me. I could do things I hadn’t been able to before, because it kept me feeling tired, queasy, there was pus or blood coming out regularly, if I went outside in the cold it hurt my gums.

    Just to let you know what kind of nonsense can go on would someone have the flexibility of thought that might allow a miracle…..

    WHY am I bringing all of this up, talking about being “schizo-effective.” Before the infection, maybe four years, I had been taking a parks and recreation class with apparently a VERY PARANOID social worker who was teaching yoga. I was sort of peripherally aware that she was paranoid, she would respond so defensively would I ask the simplest question, because I really wanted to learn yoga and loved it. When the apex of it came, her whole delusional state, I actually tripped everything up by trying to express something to the heads of Parks and Recreation about investments. Because Hollywood has such chase scenes, and there had been stuff going on with them, and WOW is that corrupt regarding image games. Same as that when this paranoid “social worker” can get her friends to think I’m in love with her – I was in love with yoga NOT her, I’m also gay, and she was quite repulsively coy, which I actually found amusing, like reading a character description in a book, so I might listen to her “conversations” – that then ANYTHING I do would be misinterpreted. So, when I for one day thought something was going on and had made a tapestry or a quilt of stuff to at least have it there potentially as having something to do with something, and the next day started to sort it out, NO I was already made out to be a dangerous psychotic that was in love with this paranoid totally non-reality-based social worker, who when she said I could become violent people would believe it.
    The tapestry or quilt is quite simply, and easy to explain for me, but that’s personal. The gist of it is that I knew Mozart’s mother’s father (Mozart’s mother is my other half in spirit, we’ve ALWAYS been together, and I had talked with her quite a bit through mediums 30 years or so ago, although we had to stop doing that, too many mediums start acting like Lord Voldemoort when they don’t understand the love between a child and it’s mother), and knew Mozart’s mother’s father had lost everything, had made bad investments, and somehow I saw this going on with what was going on in the yoga class. I thought that this “teacher” had been Mozart’s mother’s father, and thought it pertinent to warn about some of the stuff I saw going on. That OF COURSE wasn’t understood, that was about non linear time (“past” lifetimes which still are part of life’s matrix), and then I had other symbolic stuff mixed in, which is quite florid. But to get to the gist of it, she wasn’t Mozart’s mother father, she was perhaps her mother, because I ran into him later, he was one of the dentists that had been telling me for FIVE YEARS to get a root canal, and I NOTICED he was making wrong investments. You can look up the dangers of root canals, if you don’t believe it, I’m still better off with the spiritual healing, from a healer that works from the space that has no times, and has been tested in a hospital to get a cancerous tumor to dissolved in ten minutes. But this was before getting involved with the healer, it was that when I recognized that man, and noticed although at level involved with mainstream practice he wasn’t making cogent investments, when I mentioned spiritual healing, he softened, and I knew I was introducing something that dissolved the tragedy from back then, the bad investments leading towards him losing everything and he died early, and then a year or two later, I came upon the healer, and the tooth DID heal. Because that’s beyond time, just that he felt that, although he might never heard about it. But you see, if I hadn’t brought this “crazy” idea up regarding investments, this whole landscape of time, this wouldn’t have been something I experienced, which IS what miracles are about, beyond the physical. They are reminders.
    And what else was in the tapestry? That’s all over the place. There was an actress in the class, but she played David Copperfield’s second wife, when Mr. Radcliffe (Daniel) was the young David. In that Version of David Copperfield. And then unfortunately, I have to add that Brad Pitt had the habit of coming to the same coffee house as I went to, and had gotten sexual feeling for me, or that’s how HE put it. I’ve never talked with him regarding memories of being Vaslav Nijinsky, but apparently he heard about it, because he found that convenient to refer to me as such one day. This was before he even got together much with Jennifer Aniston, but it was all over the tabloids so supposedly “everyone” knew. After quite a strange back and forth with someone who I have the tendency to call part of his “humpty dumpty band” because they always gave each other high fives, he suddenly mentioned TWICE that she was still mad at him. And then “speculated” that: “Maybe she’s mad at me because she knows I want to have sex with Vaslav Nijinsky.” Which sounds already for me to repeat it as if I’m making it up and psychotic which I’m not, it also involves Nijinsky with bizarre sexual politics, the kind of stuff that drove him crazy, and it quite insensitive whether it’s towards ANYONE, regardless of “Nijinsky.” When I came out of the state of just listening to such, whatever one calls it, I did get quite mad. He also never approached me in any decent way asking about something as personal as what he felt free to make reference to, that being “Nijinsky.” And then I had enough of it, awhile afterwards, did a search for Brad Pitt, and the only place talking about him being gay or not was a gay porn blog. I posted something there, and within a short time, not only did all of their posts disappear, but I got a phone call sounding like it was from Jennifer Aniston: “Hello Heeeeello…. HELLO……. YOU PRICK!” If she had that post removed, who knows how many millions or what it cost, but that ate least spared me from at that point in my life to have the paparazzi camped on my doorstep, or have ANYTHING to do with all of it, where you or anyone involved is taken apart, abused by media speculation, lies, assumptions, and anything they can get their claws on the make media prattle about, the more volatile the better to create volatility spikes online that draw in what people do there…….

    They were married by then, but divorced, and then we have this “yoga class”

    So here, we are, and someone that looks like Jennifer Aniston’s boyfriend she had for awhile, but broke up with, but is from this Hollywood stuff, he’s at the candy machine. But it wasn’t that guy, actually, it was someone else, which opens a door to a whole other reality, which I might go into. Anyhow, WHY NOT, if the two look like each other, why couldn’t this be Jennifer Aniston’s ex boyfriend, having some secret way of getting to the candy machine at the yoga class (which incidently was at the highschool I had attended some 32 years prior, although temporarily because the building the class usually was in was being worked on); and it seemed a means of intimidation, as if they know how to get to you, know where you’re having yoga classes etc….. you better be controlled by them. Or make sure you’re cool enough, Hollywood knows. And there’s this ridiculous chase seen like stuff going on because this yoga teacher social worker was totally paranoid, had gotten a whole group of friend to walk her to her car after class, as if I had any other interest in her.

    I couldn’t leave after class was finished, ANYWHERE near when she did, or I was supposedly stalking her. Although only by chance did I ever a couple of times leave when she did and only went straight to my bike, usually she and everyone else had left, and I was the last person out.
    I could be slowly putting my cloths on over my sweat pants and shirt, which I had to do since I was riding my bike home, not taking a car, and her teaching wasn’t really good yoga, as she didn’t allow the body time to relax the muscles properly to really allow for proper posturing and breathing, so I’d be coming down from that. But if I was doing that, and she was talking with someone, which I actually found amusing, she was such a character, so I might listen like when reading a book, then supposedly I was listening intently on her conversations.

    She had mentioned once having bought a bunch of chocolate, and was moaning about it, that she liked chocolate. Someone mentioned putting it in the back of the refrigerator. I actually had found out that putting coco in your oatmeal in the morning, that one can get the same resonant buzz as from the coco in a chocolate bar. It also happened that once during the last pose, that she said: “don’t think about what you’re going to do after class, you haven’t left yet, you’re not concentrating.” This was interesting to me, because I had been thinking about getting a big cookie after class. There are latino stores in my neighborhood, and I like their cookies better than the generic America type. But then I decided not to do that, and I didn’t. I thought I’d mention this to her, after class once: how I hadn’t gone to get the cookie because of what she said, and then also mentioned how you can get such a resonant buzz from just coco in oatmeal (rather than all of the sugar in chocolate). Having said that, she simply mentioned that she didn’t remember, which I thought meant she didn’t remember having said what I reminded her of, and then mentioned that the next class was to start. I then noticed I had been running my mouth, and didn’t like that, nor did I like it how coy she seemed, in her supposed kind manner that didn’t seem completely genuine, which was quite true. Because afterwards she turned that into me supposedly having heard that she shouldn’t take in too much sugar, and that I was mad at how much sugar she was taking, and she also made out she had said things to me she never had. She said she had told me to “back off,” which she had never said. If she had, I would have probably never tried to say ANYTHING to her again. And so she either lied to make me out to be some obsessive person I wasn’t, or she really was delusional regarding what she had said. I CERTAINLY wasn’t angry at her for her sugar intake, had never heard her mention whether she had to watch her sugar. And then a “friend” of hers who had started some of the paranoia, she had mentioned how she couldn’t believe how mad I got. I wasn’t mad… I just for a moment realized I hadn’t noticed the time, and must have looked severe for a moment, like you do when you should have been paying attention to the time.

    The first class, she said everyone could ask whatever they wanted to, and I was talking with her about a different kind of yoga I had learned from a tape, and then I also at that time was sharing musical CDs I had made of my piano playing with all sorts of people, just to share, and they all really liked it. I had taken a yoga class before that with another person as teacher, had shared my music, and he thought it was good. Lots of people like my CDs. One lady had given her copy to her sister, who wouldn’t give it back because it was the only thing that got her to go to sleep at night. So, I had tried to share a CD, and she actually proposed to play it in class, which I didn’t know if I liked, because it would be distracting to me, I might start listening and finding stuff wrong with what I did, or want to change things, and it can be too much. So, I mentioned that, and she said she couldn’t take CDs from students. So I thought that was that, but then this later turned into that I was trying to intimidate her by hovering over her during the conversation, and that I was two inches taller than I am and about 50 pounds heavier. What I remembered from trying to make ANY sense out of YET AGAIN another really very untrue convoluted statement, was that I noticed she was rather hunched over as she was talking, and I decided to straighten up in contrast, and might have taken one half step towards her, although I was still at least four or five feet away from her. I in NO WAY was trying to intimidate her. And her evaluation of me was literally FULL of such nonsensical paranoid and pretentious misinterpretations. This “friend” of hers had seen the conversation, and then mentioned later (I heard from her report trying to make me out things were going on that weren’t) that I was “in her personal space,” and I really only was really in love with yoga. I’m also gay, so I had NO interest in her. I DOUBT that if I was female, there would be the same response. Also, once during class, I had a very personal emotional memory going on, actually from spirit, and it made me tear up a bit. That same “friend” suddenly said: “and he starts crying,” as if there was something going on. AT THAT POINT I had no idea she and her friends had started this BIZARRE conspiracy theory that I was in love with her, so in reality it was THEM that were in MY personal space. I couldn’t even have an emotional reaction that had NOTHING to do with them, and not get such bizarre reactions.

    One class, she was talking with someone that was on my other side, so she was basically talking THROUGH me, and I couldn’t but hear it. She was AGAIN moaning about something. About all of the shots she had to have, the vaccines, because she worked in a hospital. I asked her whether she was a nurse, and she mentioned she was a social worker. Then I asked, because I had been getting e-mails about this, whether the vaccines work as well as they say they do. It was just what anyone might say regarding any topic. She said she didn’t want to have a WHOLE CONVERSATION about it, and so I calmly responded with that I think you have to look at both sides. I’ve recently had the covid vaccines, and I’m not anti-vax necessarily, although there are things I think one can’t ignore. But after me simply saying calmly that I think you have to look at both sides, she got really snippy and said: “Those who aren’t taking the vaccines are making the rest of us sick.”

    I REALLY didn’t like that. To begin with there is a WHOLE lot of disease going around because people don’t take care of themselves, they don’t stay home when sick, they don’t rest when they should, they don’t even know how to keep their immune system in shape, and they cause an incredible amount of tension, such as snipping at someone when they’d have to actually look at more than one side of something. There’s A LOT more to preventing other people from getting sick than whether you get vaccines, and this was only regarding the flue shots. And it was just rude, so I had actually called the guy who is in charge of the teachers there, mentioned that I didn’t take yoga class to be told I have to do what the drug companies say, he stated that he hadn’t gotten his shots that year, and then I mentioned something else. She had a portable CD, which she would use to play music, but there was a speaker not working, only static would come out. I actually had mentioned this, only that, that one speaker wasn’t working, and she poohed poohed parks and recreation, saying it was “just parks and recreation” so she wasn’t going to get a new one. I actually told the guy from parks and recreation about this, and he said that maybe she was scared to ask for a new one, and they’d buy one for her. Which they did.

    THAT turned into that I didn’t like her music: I had said NOTHING about her music, I had said that one speaker wasn’t working but was giving of static, and wondered whether she heard it, and then she said that I was completely against vaccines, which ALSO wasn’t true, it also was a conversation I had never had with her, it was with the facilitator at parks and recreation for the teachers, it was that I had gotten negative e-mails about it, and was repeating what it said in those e-mails, although I didn’t necessarily believe it, but that wasn’t even a conversation I had had with her, nor was it my real viewpoint. And then she said I had started the conversation rudely while she was talking to someone else. SHE had been talking right through me, to another person, I couldn’t help hearing it. Decent people take that into account, rather than if I don’t behave like an inanimate object there’s something wrong with me.

    Which brings the next things up. Along with ANYTHING she could use to misinterpret just about EVERYTHING in the yoga class, the class after that, it being Autumn it was cold outside and I’d have to wear gloves. And I had eczema badly, which when I was wearing gloves and doing any exercise like riding my bike would be like torture because my hands would sweat, and it would feel like someone sticking pins in my skin because of the eczema. But I had gotten to a bus stop that would take me close to the yoga class, a short enough distance on my bike to not cause problems, I thought. The bike then fits on a bike rack in front of the bus. I had gotten to the bus stop, and the bus came, but the rack in front of the bus was full of other bikes so I couldn’t take the bus, so I didn’t go to class. The result was that, when she was making this whole report, of how supposedly I was in love with her (which I wasn’t) and I was supposedly dangerously non-reality based (which again was something else) she said that I was resentful of this disagreement and thus didn’t come to class. Added to everything else, as if she knows what I’m thinking, and what’s wrong with it, when she couldn’t know WHY I went to class or not. Added to that would I show up in class, because she’s making stuff up, just about anything I do WHEN THERE could receive the same presumptuous paranoia, or downright lies, or the inability on her part to see what was going on, or even remember correctly.

    I actually had a spirit friend talk to me once during class. And it was a very clear voice, it said to not even ask her things after class, just to take the class and then leave. I even know who that spirit is, but won’t get into it. That’s MY business, my personal space. And YES I heard a clear voice in my head. Telling me EXACTLY what to do to avoid all of these pretentious paranoid evaluations that WERE NOT reality based, but it bothered me because I knew I wasn’t doing anything but asking simple normal questions. So I did simply ask her normal questions. Then, after she got this restraining order, full to the brim with misinterpretations, discriminatory paranoid evaluations, and either downright lies or her inability to process what happened, not be able to remember, or not tell the difference between her paranoia and reality; after all of that I had to sit and try to deal with all of that, while not in a state to be able to, and she sits up in her seat, and says to the judge: “I know…. He doesn’t hear voices, he sees things that aren’t there, it’s non reality based….” I do hear voices, very clear voices that are accurate, I also knew the day after trying to communicate about investments that I thought things were going on that weren’t physically really there the way I thought, but then it was too late. On the other hand, it is QUITE CLEAR that she TIME after TIME after TIME felt free to be paranoid and discriminatory, and this didn’t change, nor did she question it. But SHE is going on about non reality based thoughts!? And it makes one wonder how much she’s lying. One famous psychiatrist is actually quoted as saying that if you want to have your child committed, to turn over the furniture. I don’t know, and I actually was trying to be positive that she simply didn’t remember or was going on so much with her friends about what they thought was happening and it wasn’t that they had lost touch with reality but the riff between what I really was doing and thinking and what she made out of it is so severe that I truly wonder HOW MUCH she was lying. And NOW, I DO NOT LIE. For me to call parks and recreation and start talking about Mozart’s mother’s father, and Hollywood, and other stuff that really was my mind disassociating from highly discriminatory and dehumanizing ideas, that REALLY shows I’m not lying. It takes A LOT of honesty to have and express such thoughts about stuff most people are going to think are totally wacko, although to me in the end they have a whole reality all their own.

    If I would watch what she was doing, because I couldn’t follow her sing-song voice, I was gawking at her, and her “friends” said all I did was look at her. I was trying to see what she was doing, it was a yoga class for Heaven’s sake, and I wanted to learn yoga. Why is she even DOING the poses otherwise!?

    I can only wonder what she would have made out of me not looking at her: Would I then not have been interested in yoga, and had some other ulterior motive!?

    She also had made the strange statement that I was in her personal space, and I didn’t do anything she said. I tried to follow all of her poses, actually, and it was HER and her friends, and were making stuff up that wasn’t going on at all, if one is to talk about intruding in one’s personal space. It’s like there was supposed to be a sign, like one used to have in the old south stating where Black People used to have to exit a building: “Schizophrenics must not exit any time near to when the yoga teacher is leaving, or you’re stalking her, all other people can leave when they want to.”

    I didn’t wear my glasses during class. They might get in the way, and I didn’t feel comfortable doing yoga without them, so I would get up close to where she was so I could see. THAT again was turned into me supposedly wanting to be close to her for some other reason.

    One class, the last class of hers I went to, I had a backache, and I couldn’t do some of the poses. Although I did at least 70 to 80 percent of them or more, otherwise I’d go into the child’s pose (she had said to do that if tired, which she actually repeated to the class when I did do that), or I would lean my head on my hand. THAT turned into that I supposedly spent 80 percent of the class staring at her with my head on my hands. COMPLETELY not true. I just wonder whether she actually believes that, which means she has quite severe cognitive problems seeing the difference between her own paranoia and what’s really going on, whether she was lying, or whether she just feels free to exaggerate because I somehow made her feel uncomfortable about nothing. The only free place when I walked into class was right in front of her, which AGAIN was made into something it wasn’t. I also was a bit late, and apologized explaining I was detained by someone I ran into, but that ALSO was made out that I made a big commotion and was late. And then there was a class right after that, and AGAIN I don’t have a car, I have to put clothes back on, also the shoes which were difficult, because I had to get galoshes on over my regular shoes, that was squeaking, and she heard me, and instead of just leaving me be to get my stuff and leave, in a VERY ANGRY MANNER, she said I’d have to be faster or take my stuff with me, and then pointed towards a whole different exit to the room, which went into the main building, which I had no idea where it would lead or how to get out, and so I just quietly left out the exit every else did. A whole angry outburst, because I actually had to deal with riding a bike, rather than having a car, even though those classes are SUPPOSED to be for people like me who can’t afford yoga otherwise, and I have no money for a car, don’t want to cause the pollution.

    I was simply riding my bike home, and then I noticed one of her “friends” riding around with a cell phone in a car, as if me simply getting my stuff together, because she was teaching another class, that that was some danger. I entertained that for a moment, but as such goes with people who are CONSTANTLY assaulted with such hateful paranoia, I disassociated from even considering it, because I KNEW nothing was going on. One person, a friend on facebook told me how in their class regarding perhaps even SOCIAL WORK, they had gotten permission to spend a whole day going up and down an elevator at a mall. The idea was to see how people respond to anything a bit unusual. And so they would just go up and down and up and down, and if someone complained the security would go with them one floor up, and then they’d get off, but get back on. The nice girl had quite a story to tell of how ridiculous people respond about nothing. Or go somewhere looking like a homeless person and see how people respond, or go somewhere and talk to yourself. Or say things in a dadaist manner (a legitimate art form) and see how people respond. There was nothing going on. I NEVER was in love with her. I’m not some potentially violent person either. This “social worker” in a report ACTUALLY put down that she was scared I would show up at her work, or at her home. (!?) So ANYONE her and her “friends” would become suspicious of because they really were animated enough about what was being taught (yoga) then, they would start on making false interpretations, and one would get a whole snowball effect.

    The next day, I tried to call parks and recreation, with the whole tapestry or quilt involving investments, because of EVERYTHING going on I was disassociating from. ALL of the paranoia, and then the weird Hollywood stuff, which is where a lot of the stereotyping and chase scene inducing paranoia comes from, actually. In reality it’s not as if such media machinery isn’t involved, actually, to be realistic. THESE DANGEROUS SCHIZOS. And in reality, you couldn’t get me to want to own a gun, nor do anything violent, even if it was required. I’ve been a war protester for years, have often, during the Iraq war been protesting, and heard from my sister that her friends saw me often on the local news, when they filmed the protests. That and my long hair and easy clothes probably added to the stereotyping. And this “yoga teacher” social worker could look into her computer and see whether I had a diagnosis. She mentioned that this friend of hers had said: “He’s in your personal space, what’s wrong with him!?” The same girl that couldn’t see me tear up a bit about something that had NOTHING to do with anything there, nor would I want it to, and she thinks I’m crying because I’m in love with this pretentious teacher (and I’m gay, which probably also they misinterpret, because then I’m not guarded around girls like they think men are supposed to be, although would any girl they haven’t already stereotyped with who knows what behave that way towards them there’s no presumption)……

    And now 13 years later, having run according to the man [according to me, rather than just discarding that thought] who is or was (reincarnated from then) Mozart’s mother’s father, and having brought something real positive as to what one can invest in, and an infection that, because I invested in spiritual healing, wasn’t supposed to clear up but did after five or six years, I can’t say that me trying to say ANYTHING about investments is “non reality based,”

    I even understand the trauma of not being able to think things through. The anxiety that caused me to latch onto stuff that was only symbolic, even what happened in my childhood to cause that anxiety, but then I understand trauma, rather than even judging others who caused my anxiety. But I can’t say it’s non-reality based. It’s more flexible stuff that create a relationship with themes in life that are more objective than what the ego through the physical senses can pin reality down into being limited by.
    Regardless, I experienced a miracle, and I have the x-rays to prove it.

    Perhaps I actually do know who the guy was at the candy machine, it was the son of a lady who I had frequently encountered working at a goodwill store, I had seen them together, but that’s a whole other story involving connections with the spirit whose voice I so clearly heard. A whole other time with themes still reaching out for miracles. It was a colleague of the spirit I was concerned with. A colleague that I know would get into trouble because of such WEIRD power struggles going on. As if it isn’t INCREDIBLY unsettling that such lies are going around. Just because this paranoid, discriminatory pretentious woman thinks I’m in love with her when I wasn’t, and something she completely can’t understand and calls non-reality based, might lead to miracles. Which by now they do.

    And now I’m NOT saying that everyone should stay away from the dentist, and not get treatment, this was just something I felt impelled to do. Do your own thing. And by the way, the dentist told me there was no sign of infection, although it had been there for like 5 years or so. THAT was in the x-rays from May 23. So no one is going to say that I’m in danger because I’m not following medical procedure. I also have a social worker I see regularly, one who respects me. The last time I saw her, when I mentioned this other person, who was supposed to be teaching yoga, that she would make such statements, her remark was that it wasn’t her job to evaluate me, it was her job to teach yoga. I’ve since found yoga that works, because it’s gentle to the body, and actually healing. And the social worker I’ve seen for oh 5 years or so (I don’t know exactly I’d have to look into it), she has NEVER seen any signs that I could become violent about ANYTHING. And she KNOWS me, because she’s taken the trouble to understand people like me! In fact, there are three social workers I’ve seen the last 5 or six years (one for a year, one for three months, and the other the rest of the time) and NONE of them have had ANY concerns regarding me as a danger to anyone, or myself. But because I’d heard so many stories about social workers like this “yoga teacher” that I stayed away from them until I heard about an organization that was different. This “yoga teacher” CERTAINLY didn’t inspire me to think a social worker would be helpful, but there ARE others.

  • Um, that was Shawn Mendes, for the second time.

    I was just walking around, as I’ve already described, at the Arts Festival in Grand Rapids, and did notice this person that resembled someone else, and even when I realized he wasn’t that person, was a bit interested in the comparison. I wouldn’t have even recognized Shawn, but for his reaction trying to stereotype me as if I had been, would be, or am disruptive because I ever attempted to make a spiritual statement about music, and healing, and his music, although at the time, as I’ve listed quite abundantly above, I was still digesting it all.

    I wasn’t even interested in him, actually, other than his resemblance to someone else of another caliber, and then he passes me AGAIN with Billie Eilish, and I had so enough of such that I said: “him again?” not even really knowing who he was yet, or interested. I would be please if instead of it being about him, it would be about art, and music.

    Here then is my original comment (the moderator was having difficulty finding it again to reinstate it, and I don’t want to trouble him further), I asked to have it removed, because I wasn’t so sure yet, but now, even if I was wrong, which I don’t believe so, it still shows how confusing those people can be, needing to be on some aggressive safari in order to fulfill the marketing agents wishes, thinking that “then” they will have something to say… if simply being human isn’t enough, and those that are…..

    Here is the full comment, after I was told, while the clock was ticking more than four minutes left, that time was up, the machinery contradicting itself….
    And yes this gets to be quite annoying running into these….. needs to become an icon, being exploitive of other people’s simple compelling lives – as if their lives are commodities for celebrity media exploits – to such a degree they don’t know what they are getting others, whose lives they are exploiting into anymore…..
    ‘We live in a society where we punish the wounded instead of treating them.’
    ‘Enough beating myself up,’ she realized. ‘I’m obviously not choosing this. But this means that whether it’s medication or therapy or yoga or meditation or whatever, I need to get proper treatment.’”
    Taking controlled substances that have INCREASED violence, to such a degree that one regularly reads of murder suicides, or someone inexplicable killing another that just sort of got on their nerves, with somewhere in the corporate media story it says they were being treated for depression, or the like, without even mention of the side effects that normal treatment with antidepressants causes, which are suicidal thoughts, and homicidal thoughts.
    That isn’t beating oneself up?
    What are they chosing?
    I have had SO MANY celebrities come into my life, with such embellishments or presumed help to mankind, with such behavior…..
    I’ve actually had interaction out of nowhere with both her and her mate, and I don’t even know if I hung up on him recently, when he called saying: “Hi my name is Shawn,” when they just started with promoting “mental health help” and I thought he was a telemarketer……
    And this link actually has a popup one can click on if you are in crisis… I copied the following without clicking on it:
    “Need Help Right Now? Ring the bell.
    “Click here if you are in crisis and need help right now.
    Crisis Resources”
    I don’t think that clicking on that link would help one find the help that is beyond the mainstream push, which statistically has caused more of the problem.
    In fact it might be quite UNNERVING.
    It’s already quite unnerving to see once again this hype about what really hasn’t been shown to alleviate the problem statistically, let alone be forced into it because of a “crisis.”
    I don’t know what to say about this. I would be MORE than pleased, if while getting all fired up to help the multitudes, they would FIRST take a step back and see what EXACTLY they are getting THEMSELVES and further more others into……
    And I could go all into this rather out of control behavior, of needing celebrity, and needing a personal life, and the stark extremely contradictory behavior resulting….
    I had tried to talk to Shawn about a song of his, and how miracles were involved, then he acted like he wasn’t himself, probably because he thought I was too “crazy,” and then she tells me when I happen to be on the same bus, and am going on about everything one has to process when they get involved with YES real miracles, and that does take a lot of thought says: “Jesus is really proud of you,” but now we get this…….
    This ad for what could EASILY dowse someone from ever being able to process it,
    I know they mean it kindly, and believe they are great helpers but…..
    And I have encountered a whole list of other “celebrities” or rather media bubbles behaving in the same uneducated manner……
    EXACTLY the kind of game theory that, I can’t remember his name for the life of me right now (before time’s up I remember its Laing), found is what caused his patients who were doing better, to relapse, after going home in “society” and having to deal with all of that….
    Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp making explicit sexual remarks towards me, while maintaining a career not being honest enough about such desires to have to deal with what might be considered lost market value, with Keanu Reeves it became: “that boy has such a cute ass,” when I was acting out the robot in Artificial Intelligence movie; Justin Bieber also was going on about my ass thinking he was being cool, during one of his drug run periods but not too high at the time to be around, when he and a few others I discovered going over to an International marketing building off to the side of the bus route, or that would seem the logical place (he’s ALSO now promoting antidepressants and saying that people should take their medications rather than admitting the difficulty getting off of them, and what about others who never wanted to be forced on them, do they need this “kind” advice) and I think I had actually informed him of a past lifetime that was significant….
    You wouldn’t even believe it, and I’m not making this up. I wish I was, it would have more imagination to it, than such game theory…….
    About sexuality, about image, about marketing value, about being an icon for others, about how to get points by corporate mania……
    And I’ve had it with this bombardment from media people. I live in what’s about the biggest small town on the planet, and these people can come in here, and act out, without paparazzi around….
    And I’ve just been trying to live a simple life about being human.

  • I have to laugh about this now, because I don’t really know at all whether that was Shawn Mendes that bothered me yesterday. I hadn’t slept, am still withdrawing from all of that caffeine for more than half my life, got involved with a spiritual group that’s really challenging, and found WOW I really have a lot to let go of. Was just taking a stroll in an outdoor art festival to find out what I can let go of.

    I thought definitely it’s now, and then I wonder, which probably means it’s an archetypal echo. And what bothers me the most. what if I AM mistaken, but for good reasons, trying to digest something regarding these media people that I’ve run into too much, and have shown interest in my life, because it’s actually compelling, which they want to exploit for media, thinking they are being helpful.

    What if I’m simply mistaken, and totally non violent. It’s decided you’re psychotic, a danger to yourself or others and…..

    If I go over what for example Brad Pitt hauled out, before he got married for the first time. He was hanging out at the same coffee house as I was, and he started having feelings for me, this is just after he had filmed Fight Club, or during. There was a lot of talk around of my life he must have heard, because I was open about having past lifetime memories of being Nijinsky (Vaslav). Because after having feelings for me, and not really reaching out in an appropriate way, he started a conversation with someone else that he knew i would overhear, and state that he didn’t know why “she” was mad at him, which he repeated at least twice: “She’s STILL mad at me,” and then speculated whether it was because she knew that he wanted to have sex with “Vaslav Nijinsky.”

    That’s quite bizarre already, if anyone cared to know about Vaslav Nijinsky’s life, and how it was marred by sexual exploitation to such a degree that for the insensitivity he was labeled as being schizophrenic. And then we have Brad Pitt perpetuating such insensitivity.

    He also used to play supposed jokes hiring gay escorts to who up to George Clooney’s shoots, and George Clooney did the same, and found pret in putting a sticker on Brad Pitt’s car saying “I’m gay, although I have a small penis” or something to that extent. And yet when playgirl had photos of him naked, he sued them. But he’ll hire gay escorts as joke and think more of such is fun What DIFFERENCE should it make whether someone is naked or not, and where does supporting the idea that this isn’t OK do to those that he hires as a joke?. ….When the stuff regarding the gay escorts was all over the news, a prominent gay escort service was put out of business. WHY would that be? Might it be that the same people who promote Mr. Pitt and others, and market such were a bit too much in the books that might be revealed? Could be, couldn’t it?

    And I’m NOT making this up. Johnny Depp also was making references to “Nijinsky,” and asked me for sexual favors I won’t even repeat here.

    AGAIN! I’m not making that up, that isn’t from any “psychosis,” I know very well the difference, in contrast to people mesmerized by the image and marketing decoys that such stuff isn’t going on. Or to people believing all sorts of things that promote marketing, but hide the truth.

    And I’m not supposed to talk about this, have this STRESS in my life because of their “image” which they think is their “value,” and their private life becomes insensitive exploitation of others who HAVE a compelling life exactly BECAUSE it’s compelling not something that sells to make one part of the mob. And “normal.” Or have some fit somewhere in a normal that’s not normal somewhere else, but normal enough within its guarded boundaries to create enough numbers to become a commodity as target for a market.

    I wish Shawn and Camilla the best, but they’re not making it overlooking what psychiatric “medications,” do to people, and if they were involved with a form of art that’s by itself more peaceful, has more perspective, is calming rather than aggressive and stimulant, they might be helping to create a door for healing that was supposed to be there in the first place, when someone looks for a respite from it all.

    But then this guy, with a blond girl I noticed later, when he came tramping by me at the bus station looking like he’s on a Safari, after not being able to leave me alone while listening to a Mozart Opera, when I wondered why he looked like the reincarnation of someone else, who was Jesus harp teacher. I actually said: “Him again!?” to myself.

    And about the jumble of “past” lifetime stuff. It really is just to show you’re not a body, really, that time isn’t linear, and that something else will take care of stuff. For all I know this supposed confusion (if it wasn’t him, which I don’t even care that much to know whether it was or not), it’s people to take with several grains of salt, or maybe stay away from, the way they take up causes (while maintaining utopian images varnished with beauty treatments and “fashion”) and run marketing bubbles thinking that’s how you help people, not knowing the difference between that and the truth about what goes into the money binge.

    I’ve seriously run into SO MANY media people, actors, that have this straight profile sexually, and yet felt free to think it’s proper indulgence to keep themselves pampered to come on to me for sex. And yet their image remains being straight, they can get the roles people with brave honesty don’t, or can’t because of marketing image, and then they talk about how tolerant they are about homosexuality, or diversity, just as long as they aren’t included to have to deal with the same stuff they act like they are sticking up for. And SERIOUSLY I have encountered that SO many times, that it makes me wonder whether my life is in danger would I simply be honest about it, because that exposes stuff the marketing agencies don’t want people to know, because what they use as commodities (the images they promote and advertise) that loses marketing value.

    And then psychiatric drugs.

    “Psychosis” has SHOWN to be an honesty that transcends such game theory. R. D. Laing showed that to be the case.

    To have such honesty dowsed with psychiatric drugs, and all the symbolism that expresses true issues with the people themselves or what’s going on in society that needs attention pushed to the side rather than seen for how it might point towards what truly needs attention……

    Well, I’ll ask the editors to reinstate my initial statement now.

  • And I notice, I actually got so into “Stereotypes” with this marketing stuff….

    I might have mistook someone else for Shawn (that was today, not another time), and it teed me off.

    In trying to explain how his music evoked something involving a vehicle from another dimension, that can heal, that can bypass time that’s otherwise going round in circles repeating itself, that can teleport, because it resembles bleakly enough smoke when you put out a fire, or in my case, what I often saw would happen would someone hurl a missile at one of these cars coming by with loud music to stop that racket,which was not anything violent, just for the smoke (it’s the music often, that’s so loud aggressive and violent, not the mist, the vapor that’s released), which is beyond time’s grasp; and I’ve recently seen that vehicle turning up in a picture, when a portal to Heaven was opening, for someone to blossom into it, like we all will do when we lay our body to rest. And I’ve seen that it can do impossible things, which I won’t mention for sake of when it happens, it still will, whether anyone says you can’t mention it because it’s giving dangerous direction (a miracle is!?)….

    I’m going on about this, all ‘psychotic” enough so that it has enough imaginative lubrication to do what it’s meant to do, and Shawn says to me: “Trust me, I can’t sing….” Now I didn’t know actually that he goes through periods when he can’t sing, nor that that’s what he was telling me. So I was wrong, sorry. Really sorry. And he does integrate the healing energies, instead. So it’s a different kind of singing.

    Just sit relax, smile at a painting, or the view, or anything beautiful, and you can’t chest breath, and then you create the resonance for singing. But that’s more gentle and quiet. And I did mention that.

    But this whole swamp of confusion. Someone animating a tendency that MEDIA games bring out, me thinking that’s Shawn, so I see Shawn really is trying to avoid it, in contrast, although he’s stuck in it, from just trying to be art, itself……

    And so we all could end up there, and many have!

    And he WAS Joseph of Aramathea, perhaps he can’t sing, when he’s reminded of the great friend he lost…….

    But then it also could have been Shawn, maybe he wasn’t himself, I notice, after having to come back here, and you WILL lose someone who is not at home in such calculations of game theory and the media, someone who just wants to be where his nature as healer is allowed, and actually nurtured with interest.

    I do notice that Shawn made a big stink about people going on about whether he’s gay or not, and then even saying something like: “You WISH I was gay,” as if this is about them being wrong, not that gay people are tormented, and he’s free to deny it, because he doesn’t have that much of a challenges with it in life. And then I can’t but refer to has marketing agents telling him not to tell people’s if he’s at all bisexual…..

    I’m just walking around listening to a Mozart opera at an art festival. And opera that was written when he was 12, and I’m still waiting for a decent DVD of it. Although I’m happy there’s CD’s enough. I’m not worried about it, it’s not a bubble that will burst to dissipate, because it’s already shone beyond that.

    This guy that looks like Jesus harp teacher, actually, from Bethlehem is walking my way. Jesus had harp lessons by the way: Some butter manifested out of “nowhere,” and Jesus didn’t have an environment where he could talk about such things with the gentle reflexes that were always his nature, and then found a harp teacher he could trade dairy products with for lessons to honor the little gentle miracle of such manifestation, and he learned how to play harp, people would come just to hear him sing and play. That teacher became Couperin, who fluid music lead the way for Mozart’s natural playfulness…..

    THAT SAID, I’m just wondering who that is that resembles him, but is really too stiff in his gait, and I know it’s not, but still look with my peripheral vision, not interested in anything but comparing the two, similar and fortunately not similar. And the guy says to me: “get,” as he passes me. Which happens to me all the time, because people can’t separate their fear from spiritual energy that transcends it. They act like something is going on that isn’t.

    And then he passes me again, when I’m at the bus stop, could have been with Billie Eilish, who he’s just done something with.

    Media people can be so confusing and insensitive! ESPECIALLY when they think they’re taking on someone’s….

    Someone’s story, someone’s providence….

    And SADLY that’s called a song and dance number, as if that’s what art is about.

  • I’ve since had to ask to have my first remark taken off of this website, because of the kind of GRIP these people have on the media, and just getting involved with the truth one has to demure. Or Justin Bieber promoting anti-depressants, along with others doing movies no gay or schizophrenic would be offered, let alone favored, given Hollywood image games, although showing intimate interest in me, with also the same insensitivity to what they actually end up promoting, with their “privilege”…

    They aren’t the most wonderful people, if they were they’d know better, and have made a succinct statement about the dangers of what Camilla doesn’t think twice about getting others involved with.

    And Shawn wasn’t really honest when I tried to make a statement about miracles, which goes along with the rest of the dishonesty and game theory media games I encountered with such “celebrities,” stuff I’ve had to put on the back burner or get so caught up in it, I would have been destroyed like so many already. And Camilla afterwards says “Jesus is proud of you,” to me, when Jesus was really just trying to get to me to help me (which he has since), and they are in the way, as they are spiritually in anyone’s way who gets caught up with the system, when it isn’t acknowledged what these “medications” really do to the mind, while there’s no articulate care that they are listed along with mindfulness and meditation. Certainly also the diagnosis, or the supposed comfort (then one “knows” what it is!?) when in reality it that takes away the freedom of simply finding out how unique everyone is, rather than a number. Psychiatric drugs CAUSE chemical imbalance, and that’s grounded science, not the media hype that they treat it. If someone HAS had a youth that caused distress, and one’s nerves are on edge because of reflexes, and all of the activity that goes with it in the brain, possibly being chemical, one doesn’t need more of an imbalance regarding being able to respond unhampered with how one feels, when one wasn’t allowed to. Sedating the discomfort, or bypassing it with stimulant isn’t going to help, in reality. As if the brain isn’t spiritual, and doesn’t have the connection with evolution and the source of life to do what needs to be done.

    And it’s an old story, Shawn was Joseph of Arimathea, I “think,” and if he and the rest of the mob exploiting Jesus had really listened, Jesus could have THEN already found escape in art. Jesus played harp, but that had to be sold when there were financial difficulties, and wasn’t allowed to draw landscapes (although because of not being allowed, learned to draw in the sand, which helped to save a prostitute’s life) nor was he allowed to make clay sculptures from the oppression, then already from the Jewish “authorities” when he was a boy. Before he even reached puberty the “authorities” already tried to make out such art wasn’t God. And then his stories, his parables.

    And I’m here to give Jesus a home so he doesn’t have to disassociate from such a VOLUME of aggressive sound, or the media frenzy. And end up seeking refuge with what now is only history… or the excuse people have to make out someone actually grieves for such a loss is crazy, or even disrespectful, as if it couldn’t have been DIFFERENT!

    And it ISN’T going to be repeating itself…..

    And YES, I’m angry. Is it OK that I’m also non-violent by not repressing my feelings for media image!?

  • Thank you so much for this.
    And I’m truly impressed you can retain references and cite links.
    It’s truly difficult for me, I feel as if I’m getting so stuck in such prickly things, that I actually feel the pricks, like I’m in barbed wire.

    As Emily Dickinson refers to, regarding prickly things:

    The Child’s faith is new —
    Whole — like His Principle —
    Wide — like the Sunrise
    On fresh Eyes —
    Never had a Doubt —
    Laughs — at a Scruple —
    Believes all sham
    But Paradise —

    Credits the World —
    Deems His Dominion
    Broadest of Sovereignties —
    And Caesar — mean —
    In the Comparison —
    Baseless Emperor —
    Ruler of Nought —
    Yet swaying all —

    Grown bye and bye
    To hold mistaken
    His pretty estimates
    Of Prickly Things
    He gains the skill
    Sorrowful — as certain —
    Men — to anticipate
    Instead of Kings —'s_faith_is_new_—

  • Could you share a link for the randomized brain study that: “found in 9 months these drugs cause almost 4 times more brain loss than what occurs in an entire lifespan”? Because I believe you, I’ve just never heard that, amongst everything else that’s already extremely disturbing and is supposed to be seen as “healing.”

    I also never heard that neuroleptics take more out of your life that cigarettes. Which I also believe.

  • I did a “search” today.
    Camila Cabello and OCD…..
    Seems like “every” magazine from “People” if I even remember that correctly, to who knows what has a story about Camila and OCD, and then the alleged brain disease stuff.

    You have to bruise yourself quite a few times, say on your arm, before that becomes an arm disease. Your arm telling you it hurts ALSO isn’t a disease. And then there’s the talk about meditation or mindfulness, but that STILL isn’t addressing a disease when they gets the “symptoms” to stop, as little as then when you stop doing what bruises your arms, your arms have healed of this “disease” you had when you wouldn’t stop getting them bruised.

    It is SO silly to me. Call it OCD, and get all of this attention, make yourself out to be this big icon for bettering the world, get paid tons of money in the meantime for being such……

    But don’t see that actually calling it a “Brain Disease,” and go on this blitz about it, that you endanger the lives of a whole array of vulnerable people, that are going to believe this exaggeration, think they need the “medications,” or even worse that too many regardless of whether they even want to be treated but being forced on it by others lose their voice, because it’s a “disease” and you’re a “hero” to not see that…..

    Oh you have OCD too, me too, we’re in this together, go get drugged up possibly, it might be part of it, maybe addicted for life, but I get points for initiating this “help”….

    Not that mindfulness and meditation aren’t amazing, but…..

    To advertise them in such a way actually takes away from the diseases they could heal, real diseases where someone finds a solution rather than getting trapped in a pharmaceuticly promoted maze….

    Yes mindfulness heals distress, anxiety, etc. but those aren’t diseases; as little as that your arm expressing pain when you overuse it is a disease. Listening to what that’s telling one is how one PREVENTS disease, psychiatric drugs actually CAUSE brain diseases, they don’t heal them. They don’t scientifically heal chemical imbalances, they cause them. And statistically have caused a spike in mental illnesses, an epidemic.

    Advertising meditation and mindfulness in SUCH a setting is like not pointing out that when you eat cherries dowsed with sugar or high fructose corn syrup, or baked till they have no enzymes inside of highly processed grains, that this hasn’t taken the healthiness out of the cherries that were meant to be there, or neglecting to see that you put them in a recipe that is unhealthy, and still make out it is “just cherries.”

    NO it’s not…

    What kind of “ambition” does it take to not get involved in such deception!?

    Camila and Shawn Mendes actually ARE the most wonderful people, Shawn’s songs are maybe the first songs in a long time, I enjoyed hearing when a car came by with their stereo on so loud I could hear it outside. Didn’t want to hurl a missile at the noise anymore to get it to stop. And Camila is honest beyond words, but even THEY end up being corrupted by this media blitz of the “mental illness” business…..

  • So, as the use of quotation marks would be proper grammar, she’s “dead.”

    I’m glad to say you can still find her here, the whole play: Call me Crazy:

    Let’s keep her alive, then….

    I suspect that her creativity was a bit to visceral for the “entertainment” world, probably much like my friend Ernst Toller, who wrote several screen plays that we haven’t seen emerge at all. Someone who “knew” too much, and even said to a friend that if it’s reported that he committed suicide, it wouldn’t be true.

    God bless Paula for daring to speak the truth.

  • Case in point is how Camila Cabello gets as much media attention, as long as she’s pushing the mainstream push with the numbers test: “Also it took me literally four minutes, it’s like so easy,” and you can get put in line to get mind altering drugs that are highly addictive and their implementation goes right along with the current phenomenon of an extreme spike in the occurrences of mental illnesses. Join the crowd, be part of the mob. This from celebrities who need the mob. The very fact the psychiatric drugs are highly addictive increases stress responses, unless you think being made addicted to something that causes difficulty in getting off of doesn’t cause stress. Or Bruce Springteen gets as much media representation about his struggles with depression, and how he took antidepressants (or Lady Gaga, or Demi Lovato, or the sister of Glenn Close, or anyone-playing-the-media-game). Celebrity has become a drug, propped up by the image factory, Hollywood mansions, beauty treatments and the rest; but the horrors of the Columbine shootings aren’t really represented at all, in how antidepressants were involved. I’m sure that certainly the majority of PR firms, would someone even know the truth, they would discourage their expressing it.

    Regarding Columbine, the ring leader of the two boys that were the shooters was on Luvox, an antidepressant. And he actually knew how it would make him act, there was a case against the drug company regarding that but that was bought out by the drug company. I have to add that I again have anecdotal knowledge regarding this. Regardless of this being anectodal there was a case against the drug companies that was bought up by them, and there are the warning labels on anti-depressants that the drug companies tried to prevent from being there. I was on the bus one day, and I heard someone make a sarcastic remark about anti-depressants (his doctor suggested them, and it was clear the man didn’t agree with that), and so I chimed in with what and so many other people on this blog, know about them. This man on the bus then proceeded to tell me that he used to have a foster care facility close to Columbine, and both the boys in the shooting used to go to play pool there, and would tell their story, or at least part of it. They said that they had been bullied by jocks at the school, and it was so severe that they had gone to the principle, the principle had told them to go to the sheriff, and the sheriff told them to go to the principle; clearly nothing was done. And the ring leader of the two had told the man I spoke to that he had had his “medications” changed, and was on Luvox. And that he had hateful thoughts towards everyone. I don’t remember exactly what the man stated as to what everyone referred to, but it contained his family, his friends, his girlfriend and then maybe more. He had told the doctor, and the doctor had told him to just keep taking the medications. That was a few weeks before the shootings. During the time that I heard this story, Mindfreedom was asking for people to talk to Michael Moore, because he was making his documentary about such things, and so I mentioned that to this man, to do that, but haven’t seen him since, nor do I know whether I would recognize him. NONE of any of this has been reported in corporate media. Instead one of the boy’s mother’s has been on Ted-talks promoting mainstream treatment and drugging; and one can still read in the media regular accounts of inexplicable acts of violence with one sentence added: “he or she was being treated for depression,” and then more mass shootings being the call for more mainstream treatment that’s not only in collusion with the spike in the occurrence of mental illnesses but in collusion with the spike in mass shootings. And yet the information is withheld regarding whether or not psychiatric drugs were involved. Even whether antidepressants were involved, despite they have such a warning lable.

    There was one person who tried to expose all of this: Mark Taylor, who was shot during the Columbine shootings. You can read his sad story here, and how it’s been shot down, once again….

  • I don’t think that Camila Cabella knows how much taking on this whole helper image for those struggling with mental illness, and then including “medications” as normal procedures, when in reality they are scientifically and statistically more of a cause. Since their advent there’s a spike in mental illness, and the medications themselves have been proven scientifically to cause chemical imbalance, while the diagnosed diseases haven’t.

    I myself never have been on psychiatric drugs, not forced on them, and never convinced that they would help. But I have had a problem that came from “normal” stuff I had taken on the habit of believing I wanted or needed. Just drinking too much coffee, or before that smoking could, after being “diagnosed” cause me to have symptoms that could be labeled as psychiatric symptoms needing “medications,” and I reel wondering how someone who had been made to believe that the drugs that they have been induced into thinking will help them are actually causing the problems they rack their brain out trying to find another cause for, and also to control in a way that in many or most ways could be more the cause than a cure. Coffee or cigarettes aren’t doled out as medicines, one can discover what’s going on without the idea one is going against healing protocol. How anti-depressants, anti-anxiety medications and ADHD medications lead towards problems in the long run, added on diagnosis that are made out to be diseases rather than side effects, it makes me reel to wonder how so many people could EVER become aware of what is going on, were they EVER used to the “medications” thinking they needed them, and that it was “normal.”

    Coffee increases dopamine, and serotonin as well as interfering with gabba (the neurotransmitter that helps one feel tired); and so the adrenaline is affected as well. I had gotten in the habit of drinking coffee while in The Netherlands, where that’s a normal offering when you visit someone, and then had started smoking as well, which also affects dopamine. I got so used to it, and how the extra dopamine made me feel that I would resort to it just to feel comfortable. My Grandmother in The Netherlands already said that that was the first thing I started “screaming” for when I came over (I didn’t really start screaming, it was just a tendency to want something, like a baby does).

    All through higher education which continues in the United States, I would frequent the cafeterias and have a cup of coffee, to such a degree that when I went and ordered one from the worker behind the counter, I could hear one of them repeat what I said, in exactly the same tone, having heard it so often. But then I had real difficulty in my life, real betrayal I couldn’t understand from other people, behavior that was highly discriminatory and paranoid towards me when I wasn’t exploitable to their social confines along with other shocking signs that what my nature is as an artist is more turned into a commodity, an entertainment, a stimulant than it’s what it’s meant to be as an expression of the soul of all things and healing. I ended up drinking coffee the whole night (and smoking) sitting on my parents porch, then sleeping during the day instead, and really was just disturbed, needed someone to simply listen, just that, and that didn’t happen. Instead it was entertained that I could be seen as being “crazy” and my parents with a friend that was a psychiatrist got me on disability. The disability did give me the freedom to explore art for what it’s meant to be, rather than a commodity, an exploit, but I never understood what was going on the way I was supposed to, and from just being disturbed I started having what could be labeled as psychotic episodes, although even the supposed non-reality based thinking or reality that went on was expressive of and symbolized real emotional issues (trauma, concepts I needed to work out that I hadn’t been allowed to entertain or that weren’t given room to integrate let alone express themselves). And so I even became aware I had thinking that would be considered “non-reality-based,” although I knew the supposed “medical” cure for it would never work; I didn’t have the where withal to know how much coffee or cigarettes were in cohorts with the phenomenon. I couldn’t interpret the supposed “non-reality-based” scenarios to understand why they took the form they did, not having that kind of emotional support or therapy that would help to blossom such interpretive abilities, and in the end it took years and years. It took YEARS. First going into these episodes, not understanding it, but at least having a place where emotions could express themselves, although not understood at another level where it was called “schizo-effective,” and then dealing with the shock of everything from the push to get anyone with such problems “help” that in reality was more causing the problems, had no scientific basis in reality – in fact one could say my psychosis did have more scientific basis because it expressed emotions one needed to get to know in order to grow in life, and could determine my whole future, regarding mental health – and the whole societal phobia around it, and paranoia, and malicious mocking like one finds in the school yard with bullying. And the “heroic” fixation all around me to make out that forcing me on treatment I knew would ruin my life was critically necessary, as I watched friend after friend I encountered in the mental health system fall prey to such horrors. And I couldn’t figure out what was going on with, ended up without knowing why going into these periods, these episodes, where my thinking was off to a degree I wanted to understand it, didn’t have the insight or knowledge, beyond my desire to understand something I knew wasn’t violent at all, and didn’t really interfere with my life as it was made out to, when the interference was WAY MORE on the side of the discriminatory reaction to it. And there ends up being this incredibly vast array or paranoid, gossip and malicious bullying against anyone in such a vulnerable state. I just wanted to understand it, wanted there to be room for me or anyone going through it to express it for what it was, rather than making it out to be a danger it never was, and there were also spiritual and artistic things that could come through, thanks to the disinhibition from being “normal,” from following statistical based norms or consensual reality deportment, as if reality is something people could vote on, and make out that their system was maintaining it without looking further into what they were doing, and the results.

    I did start understanding the other side of it, how my “nonreality based thinking” expressed emotional trauma I needed to let go of by allowing it to be exposed and its reflexes out in the open I could let go of them, and I had discovered that coffee caused problems (hadn’t smoked for YEARS) and had actually stopped drinking it for almost a year, but I was was taking coffee enemas, which really is kind of daft, but I thought it was a healing method. I know it stimulates the liver, from the capillaries in the lower intestines, and could feel that from the beginning, but again I got quite addicted to them. Way over did it. And had some naive idea that the enemas didn’t produce the caffeine effect that causes the increase in the neurotransmitters, because I didn’t feel it like I did with drinking coffee. And so last Christmas, when I had worked hard on a very simple recording, I felt I needed something to calm me down, or make me feel soothed, and did a second coffee enema, and within a few days keeping such habits up was again in an “episode” that lasted two months. I wouldn’t have figured out the connection until I was told, thanks to covid and wanting to know whether I had antibodies whose test for requires doctors approval, I was told that I had high blood pressure. I never had high pressure, but then started looking into where it could come from, got a blood pressure machine, and after a coffee enema found my blood pressure shot way up, and then figured out I needed to stop, and slowly the realization of everything caffeine had been doing to me for years, and years (since my twenties, I’m now almost 62) that started creeping in. I also learned wonderful breathing exercises, really simply in taking air in fully and then breathing out longer than breathing in to allow the parasympathetic system the space to relax and heal the body; which helped also to let go of the reflexes the excess adrenaline had caused me to take one, from years of coffee drinking. And in a way it’s not such a big thing, that’s quite normal for someone who doesn’t have emotional support to start leaning towards such indulgences, and in a normal world, and I mean normal in natural world, not that that’s the “norm,” statistically in this society, but in a normal world people would notice that, and there would be an outlet, and concern and a person would be helped.

    But these celebrities in these times, in many ways, are more paramours for addictions. Selling commodities, getting points to be in the media from corporate powers when they support such venues, and thus the whole array of supporters of everything from who knows what to mental health, and the drug companies propaganda included.

  • And to get to the spiritual side of this, after this addiction (“sorry” I meant addition) to the whole Melange of “iconic” help that’s making things worse…..

    I had found a 20 dollar bill, in a certain place, deciding to give this to a homeless person.

    Well, in that same place, still having the bill waiting, I ran into something impossible, a healer friend of mine having decided to stop giving “psychic” readings, because it made her sick, was killing her, and being at the top of her field, actually liberated from the highest to sort out what REALLY makes a difference, which takes real investigation. I won’t mention which entity showed up, to give me the biggest smile that finally, after the achieved impact while “earthly” and even literary inspirations could finally do something with his investigative abilities that went to the root of things…… But it was a resurrection, which is normal and natural, despite people’s idea that such miracles are crazy….

    And then a day or a few later, getting off of the bus escorting me around there, if not on my bike, or I can put the bike on a bus rack, I was met by a person. I stepped off of the bus, and he said to me: “I’m less than you….”

    Being quite perturbed why anyone would say to me such a thing, not feeling that at all, and what he meant by such an estimation of value… I repeated what he said in a questioning manner asking for some explanation: “You’re less than me?”
    I also said that I don’t talk like that to people, and asked him why he was mad at me, and he said something about how the government treated him, and that that was discriminatory…..

    “That’s discrimination,” he said….

    Then he rode his bike away so fast that I couldn’t respond, or even offer him the 20 dollars, and I could have bought him a whole bag of food, also, suddenly having extra government assistance for that the past few months…..

    But there you have it. If just a fraction of the billions and billions of dollars that go into this act that drugging up the homeless population would make them part of a “working” society, or simply trying a different approach in general, or instead of putting money into fixing vulnerable people up with medications that if they help any, only help a minority, while creating a whole epidemic of the problem as excuse for more of what doesn’t work….. WHAT if that money went to help people to simply be able to live in any kind of comfort!?

    You know TRUE comfort, not an intoxicated state based on image, controlled substances to keep one in fantasy mode and mesmerized but such indulgence that are used as programming to keep people desirous of it, but true true comfort?

    Not I’m a celebrity and I am a hero promoting once again a packet including what’s shown to keep the problem going….

    Not I’m a politician and….

    We don’t even know what to say about that…..


    So I simply leave a link to it

    But true simple human comfort.

  • Annie, there’s this part of your beautiful blog that spoke,or rather resonated, with me.
    “Yet, when I look in the mirror, there is someone different staring back at me now. She is older, yes; wiser even, maybe. But still, there is a sadness to her, an unmistakable void. The mirror mocks me, asks, “Why are you still here? Why do you deserve to be on this earth, when so many others are not?” I have no answers, turn away. Although I have pondered this very thought a hundred times, lost countless nights of sleep to it, tossing, turning, I remain perplexed. Despite everything, here I stand all these years later, a soldier still fighting a war with myself.”

    I think we all have that, especially in this society, and if someone doesn’t have this voice asking “why are you still here when so many others are not?” there might be something wrong with them. Same goes for these silly depression screening questions: “Do you want to give up?,. “Do you feel hopeless?” The way society is, our society, with all its superficiality, there’s more maybe something wrong with people that don’t feel that way. Food is entertainment. A more enhanced form of communication bringing the globe together with one click becomes fodder to have pop up ads harass anyone moving through it, new and improved communication not making the communication any more fluid but the ability to harass people with ads when the computers from 10 or more years ago would be still able to otherwise be functional. The physical resources for the new computers punged out of Africa mostly, while they are put together in China which suffers another kind of suppression than all the wars in Africa to keep it’s products cheap and “marketable.” People that own houses are privileged to have the value of them in mortgage sold off and played games with to cause worldwide economic collapse. And to get from one place to the next one has to drive in vehicles that are causing global warming, something I don’t even want to get into, because the answer was there already when they discovered electricity (supposedly for the first time) and stuff too simple and amazing for people to care about was pushed to the side. And so here we go with an answer that no one is supposed to believe in, that was there before the gas tycoons got people addicted to has. What what was known about electricity when it was discovered. Just bear with me, because I can’t push this to the side, although it would seem quite off topic, but isn’t. Heaviside and others, including theories of Maxwell saw this. Electrons moving at a speed where time stops, being wave patterns that resonate with other wave patterns from other electrons – same as musical vibrations resonate and can cause anything with the same resonance to vibrate – but being from a matrix where (oh these silly scientists) where time has “stopped,” once the resonance has come into being it doesn’t wear out, because time isn’t there to stop it (how can time “stop” by the way. If I can move from here to there but before that had to realize I was at one point before I got to the other, does that mean that “space” stopped as well for me to realize there was one point I moved from and a point I moved to?). If potentials in time resonate with each other that doesn’t mean it has stopped. You can look at black hole theories and see how all black holes resonate with each other, by the way. If time didn’t have potential in order to come together in different resonating ways (like chords in music) then what!? except people have to think further and actually think rather than “perceive” what A Course in Miracles tries to teach. Unity, zero point energy, perpetual motion machine that people have made, displayed, some murdered others suppressed by various means. Recently they stopped killing such people that would “interfere with world economy,” would one be able to make a machine that while it lasts gets “free” electricity rather than having to pay a company that charges for the electricity, but the whole stop global warming movement doesn’t even really acknowledge such machines. And if you don’t believe all of that there still always were other form of getting energy that wouldn’t damage the ozone layer.

    Anyhow, what I was getting at was that all of us have such thoughts. Why are we still here. I do myself. Why some poor struggling family doesn’t have the dwelling I have, why I have food when people are starving in Africa, why I can click on a computer and others have nowhere to call for help when bombed by the latest strategical purge of the militaries of the “civilized” countries?

    But I do go to somewhere deeper with my mind, it does resonate with time, I can let go of stuff and not cause it to repeat, and help all those people I might feel I’m depriving of a life.

    I do also contribute “money” to causes, though…….

    Which brings another thing up…..

    I started donating to Save the Children, actually because when I got on disability I had extra money, wanting to help people, ended up lending it to who I didn’t know was an alcoholic and thus a sociopath, never got the money back, and when I pointed out that the 750 dollars could have sponsored a child with Save the Children for two years I decided to do that, myself. I could feel the energy, at one point. Resonating with the act. One day I was at a church, outside of it which mostly could be safer, and there was a feather laying there, in the dirt. There was a phrase I had been playing with – who knows why – “feathers in the dust creep sideways,” I would have picked it up but had just read that one could get mites from feathers, so I gave it a boost with my foot, and the wind took it up into the air, where it started twirling crazy. It was just too “crazy” for there not to be something else propelling it, the simple joy that it resonated with for me to see that there was something more there than just “?” and then it went and landed or perched in a bush. Within a few weeks or so I got in the mail the beginning here of this poem. It was on a card from Save the Children, Christmas cards they shared with those who were sponsors.

    “Hope” is the thing with feathers —
    That perches in the soul —
    And sings the tune without the words —
    And never stops — at all —

    And sweetest — in the Gale — is heard —
    And sore must be the storm —
    That could abash the little Bird
    That kept so many warm —

    I’ve heard it in the chillest land —
    And on the strangest Sea —
    Yet — never — in Extremity,
    It asked a crumb — of me.

    But you see, that also transcends the physical, the “perception,” of how things are or how they work, or why one would “deserve” something or not…..

    I did try mentioning this to a “Priest,” and although the bible talks about Elijah being taken up to Heaven by a chariot of fire, he tried to convince me: “it was probably just the wind….”

    As if the miracles that built the whole church were there to provide the safety to convince people such things don’t happen, because they might have to actually think thoughts otherwise, not doctrines…..

  • Willoweed, that very occurrence happened in a blog I just posted in again, concerning someone who took his own life, a musician whose life was canceled by the lockdown, and then of course a psychiatric nurse comes along with the standard plug, delineating exactly what you just shared, and how as you put it so well: “I wonder if a lot of people do not share what is upsetting them because they don’t want to be further insulted and blamed for their emotional response to horrible shit.”

    That’s beyond even how the drugs have been proven to cause more problem than help. If “antidepressants” help marginally more than placebo, if at all, and in the meantime can cause suicidal ideation where does this put even such data, highly corrupted to begin with to even get at marginally helpful. Placebo hasn’t been shown to cause suicidal ideation.

    Anyhow, this stuff is so ridiculous. You’re free to look at that blog here and can comment yourself. That psychiatric nurse is the on blogging under the name “Sharon.” By some miracle there’s another person (Karl) saying he was worked in the mental health field for years, and has seen people come in with worsening problems because they were ever prescribed anti-depressants.

    It really gets to be something when it’s clearly shown someone had no place to turn, that once again we hear this song and dance number that “sounds” good although in reality upon real investigation is shown to be in collusion with causing the problem.

  • In regarding the second sentence containing the following: “enhance general medical, cognitive, and mental health and wellness.”

    I haven’t been to see a primary care physician in years, exactly because of this idea of “enhanced” medical care. But today I saw one. And sure enough, they are required to do a “depression” test. And one of the two questions the nurse asked me even before I saw the doctor was whether I have feelings of being hopeless, or giving up. All under “enhanced” care. In relaying this to my sister and having the space to actually express how ridiculous this was I finally found myself able to respond in a natural (normal) way. To begin with, given the way society runs, and the amount of insane petty nonsense everyone has to deal with, if you don’t at one point in any given day feel a bit hopeless or have the urge to “give up” I think you actually DO have emotional problems. It’s called denial. And for someone to have such feelings, and not really have the matrix of knowledge or experience to understand the feeling itself, and get this “enhanced” care which involves “medications” which turn OFF your ability to go that one step further and understand why you feel the way you do, as if that’s healing…..

    The other side of the coin, might be having a primary care physician who asks one: “Do you know society is a BITCH, the amount of petty nonsense we all have to deal withe very day, and do you actually feel hopeless and sometimes want to give up, because you SHOULD, that’s normal, it means you aren’t blinded, brainwashed or completely numb and in the danger of becoming clueless” that might be more appropriate, although I don’t really see it happening. Must be my schizo-effective tendencies.

    But it’s completely wrong to not even ask someone what they are upset about, and label the feeling a sign of a disease. And yet that’s consistently what the “medical” profession does.

    And when they have art therapy, is one allowed to express oneself there. What would happen in the asylum, if you wanted to draw the picture a baby being fed not with a baby bottle but with a bottle of pills with a nipple attached?

    A person is supposed to be happy to not be human, to not feel their own feelings, to push to the side the thoughts that explain why they are they way they are?

  • There’s nothing sane about putting “consensus” reality in a position that it determines reality. If reality were based on consensus it couldn’t exist, and so doesn’t in such a “form.” “Medicating” oneself to dowse the mind that actually is relating to reality rather than “consensus” reality, doesn’t make one sane, this isn’t “surviving,” unless one wants to exist as a being controlled by fear that has no soul: the one modern equivalent I can think of would be what happens in J K Rowling’s fiction when one is kissed by a dementer.

    And all the worries, concerns, conceptions of loss and the rest disappear as soon as one simply realizes there is another way. Regardless of how impossible it is made out to be.

    In fact the beginning of your article delineates exactly what causes most of psychosis, and that’s the urgency of the fears of the people around anyone who has begun to drift AWAY from consensus reality, into what might remind them they have a soul.

  • This is all good and well, and I enjoyed reading the article immensely, while listening to Rameau The problems I see are not so much sociological as defined here, but often religious. Immigrants often come from very religious backgrounds. Have often spent hours praying, and often were left with nothing but that to give them hope. I can imagine their distress in seeing the kind of flagrant abuse of privileges they find in an area where none of the difficulties they encountered exist, and yet they liberated themselves from such problems with simple thoughts of hope and faith. They did not invest in more violent and and more diverse ways of intimidating people to behave according to set rules, while provoking even more dissent against such rules in areas where they exploit resources but not such rules as an excuse for security forces that work.

    I think that THAT causes most of the distress, not toxicity, not climate, not poverty. The one problem I see is that religious environments do often dissuade people from finding the resources they need in the wilderness, actually. And so depending on the economic system to give them such resources DOES cause distress, especially knowing that they would never cause such distress in others they have left behind, and are confronted with doing that or….

    Or doing what?

    The development of corn, for example, a grain that was first just grass but with the help of prayer, time was condensed, and the culture was blessed with the one grain that was nurtured by faith and became a commodity, although “science” would say that it was selective domestication. I disagree. And I don’t see rice, nor wheat, nor potatoes having such a link. My mostly invisible friend has shown me this also, mulching in plastic even, how there’s hope there. I hope this helps.


  • Sorry but I’m going to have to disagree with the whole output.

    To begin with, after Joshua Bell’s father got how much money to stick guys saying they WERE already homophobic full of not even pins and needles but “medical” supplies to monitor their reaction to what they didn’t like, as stated already, and would from the abuse called pornography (look it up, as if the bad guy wins, and how much he hurts his partner is salvation) have a stimulant reaction be founding having “internal stressors,”indicating that actually they were homosexual.

    I would suggest that anyone that can read this whole article do a word search for “internal,” and see if they get stimulated, or just bored to death….

    The whole thing is a blinking mess insulting nonsense.

  • What a load of balogna going on too long to have any meaning beyond the first or second scroll or so, and one takes the knife to make it fit in the sandwich.

    To begin with, we’ve always had immune systems, going around in circles, insulting them, all of them, in the process, and then making out we ever had anything to do with how it came out, when we had to finally step out of insulting circles and the immune system, this is “science!?”

    Maybe studying the domestication of cows, and then how all domesticated animals (including lab workers) have been incubating what kills off those that knew better beforehand in the process might bring one to a better understanding of those that did survive, despite knowing better, and being amongst most of those that haven’t or don’t survive. No one asks them, to begin with.

    Oh, and cows give out pus in their milk as well. We have pustules ourselves that collect what it’s made out should help with healing but that’s called “inflation,” along with all the means to stop it. Not Wall street and it’s whole “federal” reserve, but pustules and how much everything is already going to go up again, but the very stuff in our bodies meant to heal is called “inflation,” is called inflammation. Try listening to THOSE bubbles, and stop going on about what you have no idea isn’t going to turn out, and call it “science!”

    And if anyone cared to really study “pustules,” they might find out they have been doing what this RNA replication does to create fragments that liven up the immune system, and have been doing that for ages.

    Or is it going to continue that those that know better are dedicated to science as “trolls” with antennae!?

  • Excuse me, but it’s a “minor” turn off that the temperance movement did what!? If that could help stereotyping that’s a Fable to me. To begin with, 1 )you take away a person’s environment to find out by themselves what something does to them: temperance isn’t going to do that, that’s little doses to keep a person guessing till they’ve been told 2) then there’: they can’t find out what something does to them and keep doing it, thanks to “temperance” 3) not everyone is the same, people have different reactions to different things, how are they going to find out by themselves 4) I have to put something here as four, so why not add that it might change the size of vital organs, not the brain or anything like that, but the ones that are thought of most often 5) and we’re back to the scarlet D!

  • How do you know the thumb sized bug with speckles was of this world? I’ve had one looking just like the guy “Cana-duh” from Peter Pan movie, with Levi Miller. It snuck right back into the drainage pipes of a bathroom, though. Wiggling, just wiggling wiggling its watoosi that looked like it had been stuffed full to the brim with degrees from Harvard, Spam, Oxford and the rest of those Ivy Leagues!

  • Sam: Well. That’s not completely – although I appreciate your appreciation – the truth about: ”those free of it aren’t as much part of the epidemic” because with Peter Pan logic, it’s really those that are free of it that are the most part of the epidemic, because they are the most capable and able healers. Regarding he-who-shall-not be named and you-know-who. But then there’s He-who-has-no-childhood as well, you see? Those that are so humped up they really don’t attach any significance to who they are responding to.

  • It’s concerning to me how much might easily be manipulated here! And would that be easier from one side, just.

    Look into so much, to begin with the movie Born Free, where it starts because there was a man-eating lion, which who said that that’s what was going on. I’m sure they don’t like lions there, when they eat livestock, but does this mean in the US that we should murder anyone that partakes of McDonalds fries. I mean in Iraq now it’s mostly drug wars, rivalry factions of it and the US goes in there and is manipulated to keep it going as if it’s fun.

    And beyond that, where does this help those that actually have a diagnosis. Actually, mind you, not Hollywood beatrics (beatitudes with tricks in there) coming in from nowhere wanting to know how to act out without actually caring about art.

    And the amount of….

    When you go to your doctor and say you have a tooth-ache, but he thinks that it’s a bone fracture from an accident you haven’ t had, but that’s what the book says, and he’s allowed to make you have surgery to fix it, or put your head tied up in a vice when you have to make your living by the skin of your teeth…..

    And you can’t tell the doctor what actually is going or you have Anigsognosia……or rather Anogsognosia. but I mean Anosognosia….

    And I’ve heard this on the bus. A guy had really bad cancer in his head, went to the hospital they’d supply after the treatment that was offered, him being a vet, and they detached his jaw – ask him how that’s done, if you can find him – in order to get into this head, and there they found the cancer that had been in his head, upon entering that place was gone. And I mean of course upon entering that place, was gone.

    Of course I don’t believe him now, but what about then, and WHY do people feel free to lie to anyone with such sensitivity!? And watch their reactions, and keeping going at it till the person is totally confused and not there. This isn’t just psychiatry. It’s anywhere people get together, even at churches!

  • American psychiatric facilities are marketing ECT directly to consumers using false information.

    Should be

    American psychiatric facilities are marketing ECT directly to consumers, using false information.

    With the comma there can be no legal conflagration that you’re saying that the consumer is using false information rather than the company that IS; not only using it but exploiting the need for relief, the need for parental consent, the need for inequality in housing: true medical needs, nutritional…..

  • I would think that the life we all of us have been given or the life we had gifted to us or having been given life it would make more sense to not even talk about impossible things whiile making them out to be real. Either that or give them a wand or other device and tell them they are free to create life with it since they think they also can create “death.” Or maybe without wand or such. Maybe they can conjure it up without any instrument. Maybe even try something as mundane as eating or breathing…

  • Must the discussions in here always dwell on what goes on beyond the physical senses in closed spaces, and behind closed doors?

    Because after awhile, it will end up being so logical that all of us might be needing ashtrays, various other enclosures to meet our needs, in keeping this up and so forth.


    I mean: “Because after awhile, it will end up being so logical that all of us might be needing ashtrays, various other enclosures to meet our needs in keeping this up, and so forth.”

  • I read this harrowing tale, and then also most of the responses, and I’m sorry but I have one question, which I think must be asked.

    After all of this, isn’t it perhaps better that you get yourself off of all psychiatric drugs, and find a different answer to what’s labeled as OCD than drugs.

    To me that whole story does on all its different levels depict the simple fact that psychiatric drugs cause chemical imbalance and disable the mind.

    I’m not saying that anyone had the right to project their ideology onto you, or tell you what drugs you should be on rather than you were listened to regarding your on viewpoints, I’m simply saying perhaps it’s better to find an other means altogether.

    There’s a site called my good habits that has good advice on nutrition, and emotional healing techniques; and there are many other alternative sites. I think that’s at least worth looking into.

  • “in the absence of hierarchy humans can’t be human”

    Oh really?

    Those with a “schizophrenic” diagnosis (I even wanted to say “definition” for some reason) actually do better when they haven’t been under mainstream treatment, in fact no treatment at all means they “recover” better. That’s then not human? Same goes for the whole psychiatric industry and its “heirarchy,” those free of it aren’t as much part of the epidemic.

    I really don’t think you’ve defined human, and you’re truly doing what the mental health system does, as well. You created this subgroup and given it hegemony. And decided people not going along with it are non reality based, same as such phrases as those that don’t go with statistical based norms, or consensual reality deportment. Next you need an enemy to make out those not honoring honorifics are putting the group in danger. And thus being human is being separate from all that is human or everyone that is, which hardly could be human.

    You stated:

    “I see discussions are continuing to go around in circles.”

    And then you display exactly what goes around in circles.

    “An authority in any hierachical institution is legitimate because they have been legitimised by the institution to be an authority, and authorised by the institution to command power.

    That’s exactly what doesn’t make something legitimate. That makes it condoned by the institution, but that doesn’t make it legitimate.

    And then you say:

    “Walk into any institution and you can attempt to cause mayhem by pointing out the arbitrariness. And miss the whole point of an institution.”

    So the point is that an institution condones authorities which aren’t legitimate, but then they are legitimate, and this is the point of institutions (at least people think there’s a legitimate authority but that doesn’t have to be legitimate for it to be legitimate)…

    So basically if an authority actually is based on truth it won’t work in an institution….

    Yeah, goes along real well with sacrificing goats, virgins, wars against a fabricated enemy to make people think they are in danger and wage mind control, and psychiatric drugs.

    Because: “in the absence of hierarchy humans can’t be human”

    And thus you’ve also fabricated an idea of hierarchy that doesn’t create a structure. Or that truth only exists if it’s agreed upon, because then it’s institutionally involved then.

    And I’m not at all saying that with brainwashed people, when you can’t get them to question their beliefs, their consensual reality deportment, their whatever’s going on that pretends to be the answer, the title, the definition of who’s who in their nice tight little web of community holding together their closely knit gang; that you can’t just go along and call whoever Doctor, or Priest or Guru or President or Emperor, or First Lady and then maybe make some change and introduce some ideas that from their softness create light that would spread.

    Because it’s NOT about “Doctor” or whatever honorific, so it makes no difference to use it or not, which shouldn’t be why you have to use it either. And neither does using it mean you’re not free to not use it or even not really believe in it when you use it, other than it’s not what it’s made out to be anyhow, so it doesn’t matter.

  • From a medical profession prescribing drugs that are manufactured by businesses that function many ways just like a drug cartel, to medications that cause what they are said to heal (a chemical imbalance that causes the symptoms of psychiatric diseases) to an FDA that suppresses much of what can’t be copyrighted for profit, and you’re talking about snake oil as being fraudulent. I think in many cases snake oil is more healthy.

    And it’s the same “Doctors” that would and still do deny the healing Jesus, and other healers accomplish, Charlie Goldsmith to name one currently active you can investigate, and see how many people he’s helped, and his TV show. That you disbelieve that is your business, but to start making swipes at New Age, and pumping up said “profession” really …..

    The ones pushing their doctorate really aren’t the ones you mention, in fact they aren’t even interested in it. Doesn’t even apply to them. And to mention: “Ancient Quantum UFO Ching” as if that disqualifies everything the same way a psychiatrist would talk about hearing voices, seeing things that aren’t there, having emotional problems when such stuff isn’t given legroom to express itself etc. etc. etc….

    The Chi energy from acupuncture you can’t dismiss anymore, and then there’s their herbal knowledge, the amount of evidence there is that there was an ancient culture that shared technology and built structures that with our present technology would be extremely difficult or impossible, and could have come from aliens this can’t just be ignored; and simple things like the wave-particle duality and how observation effects matter, that shows we aren’t separate from the things we observe, and thus those around us if nothing else points out how emotions effect our lives…..

    And further more, those really aren’t the people calling themselves doctors, or even demanding to have such honorifics, they simply do what comes natural to them, share it with others, and it helps.

    I’ve have stuff healed from such people. I had prostatitis that a man, now deceased, helped heal. Because he showed me “somehow” there’s a place where everything I would think is unforgivable of myself can be washed away. Interestingly the body I saw in that place was from a past lifetime. Regardless of all of that what the medical profession doesn’t really have an answer for went away. And this man mind you, as a child had such healing take place, but this scared the Catholic Church thinking it was a sign of the devil, and he was put in an asylum, giving shock therapy for a year and then forgot all about it till years later his life fell apart, supposedly, and he went back to being himself rather than a piece in society’s machines. And yes, he was deemed as having been given special gifts by the devil, and that shock treatment wouldn’t be uncomfortable to the devil who would loosen his grip on the boy. You can hear his story here, starting 11.53 into the video
    And then there’s who recently helped me get closer to (yes Jesus) and shed the infection in a tooth that wasn’t supposed to go away, and I was told multiple time to get a root canal for instead (I wouldn’t have done that either, I’d have had it pulled, see documentary Rootcause and other very articulate scientific exposés that the dental industry suppressed and from being known because root canals are their biggest bread winner or who knows why, like the drug companies and psychiatric drugs) Carol then doesn’t say she heals anything, she brings down the higher energies.

    That’s two definite healings that the medical profession couldn’t have accomplished for me, and further more I’m truly simply interested in healing that’s spiritual and then beyond that healing regarding “symptoms” of a psychiatric diagnosis I shouldn’t have to go on more about that here. And I could go on for pages about metaphysical or “impossible” things happening when I was “psychotic.”

    And then there’s Charlie Goldsmith who simply pointed out that feelings are meant to be felt, and when i realized I was pushing them away because they hadn’t been accepted, I got away from reflexes like drinking too much coffee that, although they expressed that I wasn’t allowed to express my feelings, didn’t give them direct leeway for legroom. Carol’s healing method where she asks people to sit quietly for 20 minutes twice a day also helped for me to see what my reflexes had become, what I could let go of, from little scenarios of dreams I could interpret.

    And then there’s many more


    there’s Dean Kraft

    There’s Michael Stellitano

    There’s many more

    And what’s interesting about your sarcastic post is that many “New Age” people think they have such abilities when they don’t, or that they know better, as do many “Christians” deciding such things aren’t from God (who knows why, indoctrination, no honorific from the church, same as the pharisees, same as what happened to Gene Egidio)…

    But there’s simply is a difference between healing that happened, and those condoned with an honorific. To make snide remarks about people who are needing no honorific, never having asked for one, and simply are healing, but then to be made out to who knows what because they heal and want to help people, and can, and should be allowed to without hindrance, and that means those that have been told they can rather than accomplishing such feats have to show a little curiosity or some humility some reality based thinking rather than indoctrinated programming as their identity, their excuse…..

    And you can go on an on, maybe you need to, but you’re not going to convince me.

    And at least on this site I can share my viewpoints, my experiences, share links for those interested, and not be dismissed because I don’t have whatever title, or who knows what….

  • Yes, that’s true JanCarol, but there is this issue in the news about the future first lady, and I don’t know..

    Maybe there’s more click bait mentioning her, and someone who might be steered the wrong direction from the “medical” authorities would stumble on this site, and it might save them from years of having to deal with a disabled mind from “treatment,” instead finding something that does help.

    I’m trying to think of a funny example how the title of a book is important. But I sort of fail. The Scarlet Letter for example. If that was called “Historical Concepts of Sin,” that rather falls short. Or. “The Minister that Didn’t Know Where to Put it,” also….. Or worse than that, since we’re talking about honorofics, which “Minister” is one of. “Minister Dimmsdale and his word-that-also-starts with-D-but-might-cause-trouble-being-mentioned,” and if you want to be less colliquial there are also the letters P or L. Neither of which the Minister had to have embroidered on his robes.

    And Why honorifics start with D (doctor) P (professor or priest) or M (man…oops I mean minister)!?

  • JanCarol, Sara has already stated that this argument is about whether honorifics use is appropriate in general not about whether anyone has truly worked hard to reach that level when it is in practice, but that should show in their work, not a title enforced by an institution. And her asking whether there’s a better way doesn’t mean she’s putting beliefs in your mouth.

    That an honorific denotes respect is questionable, certainly in this day and age, which it is currently, when so much including education is controlled by corporate interests. Colleges in the USA became fronts for investment institutions in the early 80’s: not exactly investment institutions but fronts for them.

    I stated how it works regarding the economy, and how the whole process of who gets “respect” can be in collusion with poverty. Something that deserves being noted in this blog where the emotional symptoms of poverty can be diagnosed as a psychiatric disease, to cover all of that up. That also becomes more than simply taking charge of one’s life and working hard, and having a piece of paper giving one “respect” beyond those who are seen to have personality flaws that they don’t or/nor can’t. And what I wrote wasn’t at all ‘merely “poverty vs. riches”’ it was a clear explanation of how an honorific can be in collusion with creating poverty. In fact to bypass all of what I said in order to make claims that I was lacking nuance truly on your part is a lack of nuance.

    “We called him Doctor; he earned this. It was more than a piece of paper, it was his growing identity. Something which made him stand out from the pack – his family, his friends, he achieved all of this on his own.”

    You also state that

    “He remembers standing in line to get shoes, ashamed that he had to beg for them. ”

    That’s a lot of concern for “identity” and whether one has enough money or a piece of paper. And a society that engenders shame depending on whether you have to stand in line to get shoes really has extreme problems with what pride would be would it be there instead of “shame.”

    It sounds like your father really had it hard, as did everyone during the depression, but you don’t mention how he helped others, you mention he stood out from the pack, that doesn’t say he was respected for his work but that because of the honorific he stood out from them. And what about the pack he stood out from, and their poverty? Someone to me would stand out from the pack when they have done something that earns respect from them, rather than a piece of paper enforced by an institution. Neither are business institutions often those that help others in poverty, although again someone that worked their way up in such is made out to deserve respect.

    If your father truly helped others, and acquired respect anyone would have without being in a field where an honorific is doled out including when they are, everyone would be glad to hear that. But to get offended and display resentments hitting on straw-man arguments as if having a viewpoint about honorifics is an insult to your father, this is not what Sara stated. I wonder how much can’t be said or it’s seen as an insult or getting in the way of respect. Working hard for a degree and getting an honorific is working hard for a degree and getting an honorific, that says nothing about what a person has done for their community or for others, or what kind of respect they engendered simply by their actions themselves, not whether they have an honorific, and how much work that’s seen to have entailed. A person who has completely been disenfranchised by society can work quite a bit harder just to still see beauty in the simplest things, and not lose it.

    YOU are the one that said you were disgusted because you thought chiropractors didn’t work as hard as you did for their degree, again hitting on the idea of working hard, as if that only occurs at an academic level and what kind of a degree you get. To speak of taking nuances out of a discussion. Nuances also aren’t dressing up personal resentments, and then accusing others of not being nuanced when they delineate there’s more to the argument beyond your “nuance.” You don’t know how hard chiropractors work to be up on stuff what the medical profession might dismiss, regarding alternative health, and there are all sorts of avenues they support that go beyond what one would get steered towards, or even would be allowed to be steered towards from a “Doctor” of medicine. That takes a lot of work beyond what’s simply put forth from a curriculum from an institution doling out said honorifics or not, recently quite controlled by corporate interests as a front for an investment institution. That again also effects where the money goes, and who has a decent or easy income or not. This doesn’t change whether one has a doctoral in business either. And you twice now have mentioned that someone who does get such rewards works harder. I don’t agree, and consequently I can only further question whether that’s taking charge of one’s life.

    And I don’t know what your problem with a chiropractor was, but I do know that the medical profession has been quite active in trying to legally suppress their practice, which despite considerable action hasn’t worked, because chiropractors DO help people, whether you’re disgusted as to what you interpret as hard work or not. I also mentioned the problems there used to be with insurance, and with some HMOs still are in place, although chiropractors CAN help people and in my case to avoid completely unnecessary surgery and other damage and trauma to the body. That that isn’t seen as medical, or respected, or that the “medical” profession would try to prevent people from having a free choice regarding insurance, or acknowledged status is truly oppressive. That’s way beyond: A chiropractor helped you but they didn’t help me, so what can I say? I don’t know what your problem was with a chiropractor, but I think a lot of people don’t like having gone to a chiropractor because when the discs are adjusted to be more aligned, this brings up problems in behavior or posture and muscles that have gotten used to being used in-properly or out of balance points this out with pain trying to encourage them to change their habits, which they don’t, and then they have a problem. The same with a nutritionist, people don’t like changing to a healthier diet when when they have become accustomed to an unhealthy one; but then again the medical profession often isn’t even privy let alone articulate regarding such sensitivities.

    There are MANY people on this site who have SEVERE problems with their medical doctor or psychiatrist, both with honorifics. Chiropractors you say disgust you when they call themselves a doctor, which they are allowed to do but not call themselves medical doctors (although recently they have to do a lot more medical training to get their degree), but it’s fine to be a doctor of whatever else when it’s not seen as medical. Business for example.

    And what about the people on this site who may simply for emotional reasons need to hear that said honorific doesn’t mean what it’s made out to be, people who have been truly tortured by their psychiatrist, and they can’t even say that it didn’t help them without being seen as non compliant!?

    And that ISN’T just a topic to be dismissed as inappropriate because of “linguistics.”

    I also find that your comments are riddled with mirrored statements. You dismiss the nuances or counterpoint of a statement and then say there’s no nuance to the discussion, because your points were challenged, that regarding the collusion with honorifics and business for example. And when Sara simply asks a question you can answer regarding the potential of whether there’s another way to gender respect than an honorific, you act as if she was putting beliefs on your mouth. I see that more as how you misinterpreted what she truly stated, and thus put beliefs on her.

    Initially reading your response I thought, yeah, of course an honorific can mean something to a hard working person, and then they have some respect in their lives to get through the day, and have some pride; but when you dismiss nuance saying it’s lacking because people share valid counterpoint regarding the content of your post, and then the straw man arguments, I truly have lost that although I can still see it in others who might want a honorific…

  • I wonder whether you could be a bit more candid?

    When you say that getting a doctoral was a way out of poverty for you father, you expose quite clearly how it’s about money (same as psychiatry and pill pushing, and guilds and wallstreet); thank you.

    And then you’re disgusted that chiropractors would call themselves doctors because you “know that their degree was probably easier than” yours. I had such a problem with one side of my hip that I couldn’t bend over to tie my shoes properly, I went to a clinic (“med” clinic) and the “Doctor” there even quite glibly mentioned how the “insurance” wouldn’t pay to see a chiropractor, and actually mentioned how if the problem with my back and the pinched nerve didn’t go away, they would do surgery. And this was standard “procedure” for a “med” clinic at that time (twenty years ago or so). So, I went to a chiropractor, paid for it myself, and the problem went away within a week or so. The chiropractor even called the insurance (I had a pinched nerve that prevented me from moving properly, which would have lead to greatly inhibited ability to move were it not fixed, which he accomplished WITHOUT the trauma of surgery) but they wouldn’t pay for me to see him. Years went by, I had gone to see the chiropractor every month or every two months, but then stopped; and acquiring neck problems (and paying to see the chiropractor really wasn’t something I easily could afford as all) found out that the HMO I had had to change to in order to get therapy would pay for 18 chiropractic sessions a year. Within two years my life has change, although I had to find exercises on my own, change my diet, allow thoughts or emotions some legroom they hadn’t been encouraged to have before, learn how to meditate to calm myself; but the chiropractor helped beyond measure; when the “Doctor” would probably promote insulin shots. And I really don’t think that having to do research that’s not in the mainstream money market, to actually help people in a way that an “honorific” and it’s “privileges” would bypass, that that means that their degree was easier than yours. For one thing, I doubt that after accumulating a degree (wherever they put it), that they as easily believe that they have made it, because it was so much hard “work.”

    The arguments you make as to why the honorific should be honored (“working one’s way out of poverty”, “a medical stance that caused more work to get than others”) is exactly what psychiatrists would use to excuse why they continue needing the “lifestyle” and why they are the “authority”. I don’t know how this would be inappropriate for this site, other than the logic is inherent rather than in your face. Insurance companies often don’t pay for therapy going beyond such a grip on how the market works for those with such privilege, and people who truly need help consequently don’t have funding for what would help, ending with what doesn’t (might suppress a symptom temporarily causing more problems in the long run which calls for more “treatment” and more money feeding the “honorific”), further perpetuating the divide between poverty and those that have more privilege. And to pull your way out of poverty becomes being assimilated into getting an honorific, and promoting what doesn’t help; while those who are stuck needing something else but sticking to what truly helps means poverty, disenfranchisement, total confusion as to what the bleep is going on, having to find answers way beyond the “hard work” of those with an “honorific,” and not having it acknowledged when those answers are found; but heh oh: I” am Doctor so-and-so and pulled my way out of “poverty”!? “

    You can gripe about chiropractors and functional doctors, but that is where the trend is going as to who really can help. That’s for people to decide, not those who feel they have “worked” so hard, and pulled themselves out of “poverty” and consequently feel they deserve an “honorific.”

    For ANYONE to say an honorific is something they deserve because of fill-in-the-blank work they have done, when others don’t see it that way or their ability to function is complicated by it, is quite abusive. Honor is something that comes from people who honor you, not from a title given by an institution that enforces it.

  • Yeah, but that’s perceived credibility and can be downright brainwashing regarding whether what’s perceived truly is credible. In response to: “I think you’re referring here to how credibility is sometimes much more about power and social capital than it is about being in possession of real quality information, and with that I couldn’t agree more.” And it’s often not low quality information or even lack of it, it’s too often deceptions, modeling arguments with statements that look like they are formulated: as in A plus B equals C whether or not A plus B equal anything at all but it sounds good, and scientific and logical; and quite covert lies covering up the truth, which is known to a select few.

    I really, in becoming part of the marginalized crowd, after years of actually looking quite soberly at what goes in the arena of condoned knowledge, and really carefully sorting through alternative information as well as personal experiences, I find an incredible amount of what goes on at educational institutions quite corrupt, particular higher learning where one gets a profession or not with a paycheck. That doesn’t mean there aren’t good teachers in there, but they have to know how to play the system, or they have somehow got a name for themselves which can’t be ignored. This type of doling out “knowledge” also goes for religion promising an afterlife, or the image of being a good person, or as you mentioned in another post their description of “God.” That’s also mind control, to tell everyone they are under attack by said evil entity (the Archfiend) and you need the church or you’ll end up in the lake of fire for eternity when not part of their movement, is the same as what all dictators have done knowing when you make people think they are under attack you can control them. And for the corporate process, how they have suppressed whatever doesn’t go with their profit margin, and an unbelievable amount of wonderful truly amazing technology using the idea that it’s impossible in order to convince people it’s fraudulent when it isn’t, while suppressing it ever being put into production for the general public to find out and robbing mankind of really amazing stuff….

    Maybe I’m just jaded, but…

  • I dunno. Doctor Trump does have a rather objective clinical ring to it (I did spell wring correctly?)

    Because I was musing about this and realized I had completely forgotten what this had to do with Jill Biden…..


    The last time I used the prefix “Doctor” it was to exemplify how someone goes and gets a badge because they really can’t support their “teachings” without it: stuff that wouldn’t stand by itself – I obviously use the word stand loosely, that while when you replace the word go from the phrase “go to class” with stand or sit, it pretty much points out one’s status –, the same with the term “Professor.” In fact, when I used that adjective – not title – a policeman in the parking lot where I just exited the bus heard me, and responded: “He’s jealous,” which unlikely referred to the one with the prefix. But then anything with fix in it might already be inappropriate.

    Saddest thing, is that those who were here to begin with, and knew the land, knew nature, knew the seasons, knew the stars; they are even more likely to be killed by police than Blacks, and that’s mostly from safety checks by the police regarding “mental illness.” It’s those people that had knowledge then that we all need to know by now, and…..

    But yeah, you can say: “Doctor” or “Sir” or “Professor,” or even “President” and really mean obnoxious loudmouth, with perhaps no one the wiser.

    Here’s then an actual tweet shared from a Doctor, which might denote something different than the prior (very obnoxious) interpretation of mine

    And just in case anyone is quite confused by now. If such a wise one gives you a test, and you have to chose between, A) adjective, B) title and C) prefix regarding what “Doc” is, and you really need the right answer for him, it’s C. That’s because he (or she) is a professional. And don’t tell them it’s what you call a document, and could be the extension for a word processor file, being that it’s the way documents are filed on a computer, he doesn’t need to know you know that, he might not understand, he’s just too busy, consequently he might think you completely don’t know what Doc is.

  • Just to be clear:



    With the italics used to describe what’s really a spiritual experience, a breaking away from accepted limitations to see things that are real but not even considered as possible, the words: “psychosis,” and “bipolar 1” with the italics, the italics look like angel wings. And, Ekaterina, with your picture, I noticed you’re standing holding your two hands rather like people do when they make a movement with their fingers to denote what they said is meant to be in italics. Perhaps again transforming the diagnosis of who you are supposed to be to something more real, and spiritual.

    I hope you find a gentle wind to sail in, to glide in, or a gust to soar in, or a lull to gently hover in….

    Whatever it is, you have those “”

  • ‘I was diagnosed as bipolar at the age of 27 because I tend to experience what is classified as “psychosis,” a beautiful, incredible experience on my part, but let’s keep it medical and classify it as “bipolar 1.” ‘ Sometimes italics are just angel wings fluttering…

  • Since the topic has come up for actually reading the article, which I had, but went back to look closer, and something I might have wanted to have been left where it might not have jumped out, did do that. From reading the article. Again.

    “There’s a lot of criticism flung at both the Neurodiversity movement and the Mad Pride movement that we are bad for people who are called low functioning. I call bullshit on that. I think the real threat is that we’re talking about the so-called low functioning people like they are peers. We’re talking about them and us as if there is no “them and us,” just us. In short, we’re interacting with people as if they are just that—people.”

    I don’t believe that those getting the peer support,  from where it’s given, really can be guaranteed to be listened to, completely. Including them in and stating you’re seeing them as human might come across as heroic, but this could be in correlation with causing low functioning?

    As long as you see yourself as disabled, get “treatment” for it. Call yourself neurodivergent, promote this as “mad pride,” then it’s a whole group of “us” rather than low functioning people, when in reality there’s quite a bit of correlation with exactly that causing disability, thus low functioning.

    And I question what “neuro” has to do with it?

    Someone that’s brainwashed (insecure, needs to fit in to feel they are valid) and sends such signals through his nerves (which are there just to be there, whether you use them for this or for that), with the consequent effect, can call himself “neuro” divergent, as well. But someone who’s healthy, doesn’t strain his nerves, they’re not “divergent” enough, and yes, I’m really saying that perhaps people with a “diagnosis” might have, initially more healthy nerves than those doing the diagnosing. Which is what was going on before it was supposed to be from the “nerves” and thus could be called “neuro-divergent” thanks to that they’re supposed to want to be somewhat “normal” or fit in; which already isn’t normal, unless that means abnormal use of nerves (because the majority strain it (nerves) in an abnormal manner: thus abnormal straining of nerves is normal). See, it’s marvelously circular.

    Make sure that divergent part of yourself is straining itself to have something to say, and fit in with what says you’re saying something, and then it’s normally abnormal: the good fight, no pain no gain.

    Neither do I find it out of place to mention – again – that psychiatric treatment shows more to be putting strain on the nerves than to….

    To have such strange driving laws, or guards on how one pays attention to what one is doing, to cause enough accidents that there are many cars with dents, and then start talking about body-divergent cars, and group them all together (also causing more accidents, in fact even a whole spike in them); and say you’ve made a movement about divergent car bodies; this DOES leave out the rather strange laws and “guards” on behavior that lead to all of that. Why would that be?

  • I’m sorry Dana, although I greatly respect what you’re trying to put forth, that you see “Autism” as something that can be seen more as an innate trait of a whole aspect of the human population, and how you can see yourself reflected in others, and how this phenomenon can be respected and nurtured; but I don’t feel you have responded fairly to what beokay wrote, and it’s clear to me that beokay did read your blog. To say, please read the blog before commenting, when there’s a challenge to what you wrote, is a rather standard accusation people make. Beokay simply brought up a very valid question regarding what you said, that really doesn’t meant that they didn’t read your blog, that means they question something in it or wish to bring in further dialogue that expands the context.

    Beokay and other people here have responded with extreme concern, and have truly valid concerns. It’s wonderful that you have come to terms with the term “autism” but that doesn’t mean it’s not seen as hate speech by other people, or something that has confused them extremely and was forced on them without their own understanding, nor does it mean that they were given the space to offer input from themselves as to what they felt was going on rather than just being told what’s going on with them from others, with the whole stance of objectivity and authority (which Sam Plover pointed out). You yourself say it’s an umbrella diagnosis. And you also don’t mention the whole matrix of people who might have the same symptoms, but never had to deal with the psychiatric labeling, don’t want to be involved with labeling that is psychiatric, don’t want a psychiatric label, don’t want to be called “autistic” and have a whole other insight into it, which might be more holistic. And you might be truly at a loss to not know how people were at peace who had no need of such diagnosis, although they did, or do, or will have, the same symptoms.

    You list such things as not looking at people, being more sensitive to ambient sounds and dialogue, being upset when you trip; but those are just experiences, to list those as symptoms, and bring in this “diagnosis” can very much take away understanding, and rob people (other people who are uncomfortable with the diagnosis) of seeing that they are fine the way they are, that it’s just something innate to them that’s different. That you found peace there, can be something very different for others. That’s what others were trying to point out who have seen that.

    You can say it’s not a psychiatric illness, but that’s more wishful thinking on your part than reality. No, the symptoms may not be, but the word is. Autism is seen as a psychiatric illness. The diagnosis does confuse a lot of people, and it’s also used to promote psychiatric drugs, or treatment that only analyses their behavior rather than acknowledging what might be going on that goes against medical hegemony, or diagnosis based on behavior rather than relating to the person. Behavior you can program a robot to do, but relating to a person is something more human than that.

    And to say it’s not over-diagnosed when it might be used to say there’s a genetic flaw although there’s evidence pointing out that it’s the environment, but that evidence is not acknowledged, that’s really overlooking something that shouldn’t be overlooked.

    What if toxicity can cause what’s diagnosed as Autism, whether or not the symptoms are the same as yours, but the term is used? What if vaccines or other unacknowledged issues can cause Autism. What if modern schooling and forcing a person to have to deal with a social environment they don’t feel comfortable with, or having to be inundated with standard curriculum that doesn’t really interest them or that they understand too readily or too slowly, or a whole list of other things causes what’s labeled as a neurological disorder called Austism?

    When the documentary vaxxed is suppressed, when a documentary about root canals (also quite articulate with scientific data that’s uncomfortable for mainstream standard practice) is suppressed, when Charlie Rose can have someone on his show touting that they know psychiatric illness comes from a brain malfunction while completely not sharing the one scientific truth that’s the clearest, and that psychiatric treatment causes brain malfunction (chemical imbalance, addiction, deterioration); how much does this come from corporate interested calling themselves medical and making money off of it rather than truth. And all the rest of it: sugar, caffeine, pesticides, fluoride, food coloring, preservatives, gluten and other stuff that’s proven to cause swelling and can be bad for your intestines (another sign of “autism”)…all stuff that can be overlooked when someone is “diagnosed.”

    You and others may have strong feelings about what I just inserted in the prior paragraph, as to whether that’s valid or not; but typically ONE or TWO of those things will be singled out to invalidate all of the rest. Instead you get the diagnosis, which in such a case is really over-diagnosis. That’s more than just umbrella diagnosis, that’s a smoke screen.

  • Very well said.
    I have a “schizophrenia” diagnosis, or schizo-effective or something like that. What I’ve learned is that a part of my mind simply will spill out scenarios, just like in a dream, that are trying to tell me what’s going on, especially when I’m in a situation where I wasn’t encouraged to question what’s going on. Over the years I’ve learned to understand that language, and that IS what it is: a legitimate language, like imagination is. I could say that would I drink too much coffee or smoke cigarettes this might lead to a “psychotic” break, but that’s not what it’s about, it’s that my mind is trying to communicate something, and it’s actually the “psychotic” break that would tell me how to take care of myself, would I be allowed to learn the language, to understand it, to see it for what it is, despite that “society” doesn’t want its statistical based norms and consensual reality deportment challenged to such a degree (both are terms I picked up that are used as a means towards diagnosis). And when the feelings one wasn’t allowed to express consciously are allowed to have a subconscious language that’s legitimate than one is better able to take care of oneself, even better than what’s considered “normal.” Just not drinking that much coffee or not smoking cigarettes isn’t going to magically give legroom to the feelings, experiences, insights and other unconscious motives that needed expression; although realizing what I was resorting to because those feelings had become uncomfortable given the lack of acceptance in my environment, that acknowledges the feelings rather than a reaction to non acceptance as being “bad.”

    THAT said, I’m not going to say that “schizophrenia” is under-diagnosed, because I’ve come to terms with it, and know of others who have. “Schizophrenia” is a false narrative, stating that’s it’s a biological disease, and further more when the “treatment” is scientifically verifiable as something that causes biological disease, something the alleged disease can’t be pinned down to be causing, and when there IS a biological cause that’s truly medical causing distress that causes trauma that causes “symptoms” of “schizophrenia” this often being overlooked to promote the brain disabling “treatment” that’s said to be needed, and when most “treatments” of “schizophrenia” correlate with a spike in the “condition,” or rather a spike in mislabeling it, not treating it for what it is, causing loss of life, disability, more societal phobia, more stigma, a suppression of alternative methods that do correlate with healing and understanding, and empathy, and compassion that’s true rather than patronizing; given all of that and more, I really don’t think that saying that “Schizophrenia” isn’t “over-diagnosed” is going to support seeing it for what it truly is, would it be anything at all. Not even when I see an extreme lack in society of understanding imagination, dreams, the language of the subconscious and the innate part of being human that expresses itself such.

    And I don’t see that an “Autism” diagnosis is much different at all. There are a whole plethora of causes that are suppressed, when they don’t fit the mainstream medical model, there are people that can relate to “Autism” in a way that relates to the person rather than to symptoms that have to be eradicated rather than understood and related to, and the use of psychiatric medications for Autism can only be leading to the same problems (and lies, as if it’s treating a valid chemical imbalance rather than causing one and causing biological disease in the meantime)…

    To be really radical and confrontative about it, it’s like saying that the F word for homosexuals or the N word for those of another race are not over-diagnosed, as if we are dealing with a valid diagnosis to begin with. Psychiatric diagnosis in many ways fall under hate speech, that’s simply the truth. How that can be convoluted with stating that it’s not over-diagnosed, when people point out it’s become what it has (an easy target)? And when one is offered another diagnosis instead, this only points out how ridiculous diagnosis are, it doesn’t make ANY at all statement regarding the validity of another “diagnosis.”