Monday, December 5, 2022

Comments by Michael Z Freeman

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  • Don’t know why you’re apologising for comparing to slavery. The great himself, amongst many others, Franco Basaglia, came to the same conclusion. He cited Sartre’s book written in Paris in 1944 about the persecution of the Jews, where Sartre identifies what drives the bigot; a problem in their own character structure that they refuse to sort out because they find it too obscene to look at. So they project onto a perceived class of people. In the case of Sartre it was his friend who was an actor, “a bad actor” as Sartre put it. His friend could not get work in the French acting profession in the 40’s. Rather than go away and take some more acting classes he blamed it on the Jews. “The French acting profession is Jew ridden” as he put it. This analysis of the bigot also applies to racists and those who discriminate against those with distress.

  • Exactly. That’s what scares people. They know instinctively that so many of these psychiatrists are like something out of a Silence of the Lambs movie. So why focus on evil psychiatrists ? That’s half their mind trick. Keep everyone scared and frsutrated. Focus on the positive. Use the force luke.

  • Don’t take it personally. The media have become absolutely abysmal at reporting on almost any controversial topic. We left the era of “Deep Throat” years ago. More so, the countries that have successfully got rid of coercive psychiatry and bought in humane approaches to the distressed, I don’t think it was the media that made those successes. The media think they are the “fourth estate” and self servingly pat themselves on the back for “protecting democracy”, but its all absurd by this point. People go to social media or blogs to get their “news” these days and the news media have been left behind trapped in their own echo chambers. They’re still living in the era of paper and telephone lines while, conversely, SpaceX and Tesla are taking part in a pradigm shift that will take us to Mars and beyond. No. The word is got out by ordinary people, citizens demanding change and working hard. As my Left wing friends used to say “The revoltion will not be televised”.

  • “J.P. then pleads, “Don’t increase the stigma towards all of us.”
    “…increase the stigma”? It’s about time most psychiatrists got to know what THAT feels like.”

    LOL ! That did sound pretty rich didn’t it !

    “J.P. finally instructs MIA to, “Shift the emphasis from what we don’t know and have gotten wrong to what needs to be gotten right:” –
    THAT’S mainstream psychiatry’s job. NOT MIA’s –”

    ‘Mainstream’ psychiatry has historically and internationally not been the one’s to change anything for the better. The Italian psychiatrists Franco Basaglia was the exception to the rule. A true liberator who fought in the resistance against Fascism in Italy in WW2, and he carried right on with that. There are some other humane psychiatrists out there but mostly, as in Italy, it’s needed citizens to demand and peacefully force human approaches into the country. Think of slavery that went on for 500 years. Blacks were told “you can’t change anything” then MLK and a whole lot of others turned up. Same with bigotry against the mentally ill. The bigots, or those who work for bigots, won’t change it just like they were not the one’s to change anything in deep south 1950’s America. It took civil rights workers and a whole lot of sacrifices. Blood, sweat and tears to change that.

  • Yes there’s a thousand different helpful healing regimes out there. Psychiatry, and by extension the materialism/reductionism/Scientism mob, have created a literal blockade against what they deem to be “pseudoscience”. It’s all really psychological projection from insecure types who are not very healthy themselves (BTW i’m generalising Mr Phelps, this is not personally directed at you, I’ve never met you). I’ve been shocked by the way victims of psychiatry are left in agony for years and never told that Homeopathy, Chiropracty, Chinese Medicine, Ayurvedic medicine and a zillion other things can and do work. The more ancient healing arts have been around for millions of years, way longer than Allopathic medicine and psychiatry who are really the new kids on the block.

  • Heroine is probably VASTLY safer than psych drugs by this point (and no I am not recommending it). I myself use Dark Captain Morgan Rum as a major pain killer, in strictly limited quantities, only in the evening, never in the day. It’s still dangerous stuff potentially, just as Fentanyl is. But alcohol, as man’s most ancient pain killer, is safer than prescription opiates. However, of course, anyone can end up becoming an alcoholic. It’s only a stop gap measure. I’ve actually recently found the source of the pain to be a neck/spine problem and am seeking a Chiropractor. As to California there’s another side to it. Heart Forward (Kerry Morrison) is changing everything – https://liberation-map.michaelzfreeman.org/wiki/index.php/United_States_of_America

  • I appreciate Robert’s work and even a response in the article from a psychiatrist. The drug angle is important but why this has come to pass seems to get left out. Some of it is pharma. Some of it is money. But most of it is bigotry. It was Franco Basaglia who cracked it with his analysis of coercive Italian psychiatry that cited Sartre’s work about antisemitism. Mental patients are discriminated against by bigots just as African Americans can be or Jews. The crucial difference being that mental patients don’t know they are being subjected to bigotry like a black man would have known in deep south 1950’s America. So if those in distress were judged by the content of their character, not the colour of their distress/trauma/MH then dodgy drugs would simply not be used because their life would be as valued as that of any other human being.

  • Great to see such a precise article. In fact I was having severe problems with retraumatisation from psychiatry and specifically sought out help and found this article. However, without hopefully disparaging the skills of the author here, by this point its well known, at least in these circles, what the modus operandi of psychiatry is. We need to take the bold step of just replacing all of it. In fact this now happening internationally – https://liberation-map.michaelzfreeman.org/ … There has also been talk of reparations and all that. I’ve felt a need for justice, even punishment of the perpetrators. That may come in time but the first step is to end these atrocities now or as soon as possible to stop anyone else being subjected to these horrors. It is happening. For example Argentina passed a law in 2010 (see the map) that sent abusive psychiatry crashing to the ground in an entire country. But how many of us have heard of this ? We need to hear more about these successes and how its possible to actually get rid of perverted psychiatry now and forever.

  • But we already know the underlying mechanisms of “mental illness”. John Weir Perry, Loren Mosher, Carl Gustav Jung, Stanislav Grof and many others. In fact coercive psychiatry specifically ignored any of the actual science, maybe this was your point, because they are not in the business of medicine but political control of dissidents, bigotry, corruption, covering up for abusers, etc, etc.

  • Talking of true selves, well with these abusive psychiatrists there’s really nothing there. Notice how they shrink away into anonymity and obscurity in countries that have risen up and replaced them with something real (Italy, Brazil, etc, etc.).

  • LOL. Well that’s Dawkins right there for you. Only words and intellect. No emotions. No spirit. No soul. He would put all the cargo cult stuff down to mere “superstition” while worshipping at the alter of mind/ego and materialism that promises to give mankind salvation. Real salvation is spirit/soul/higher self.

  • Although I appreciate the analogy in the context of psychiatry, the cargo cult myth is very ironic seeing as it rejects tribal spirituality as if “they were just fooling themselves” by carrying out what was traditional spirit worship mixed up with more modern idioms of planes and runways. This is interesting as psychiatry’s entire obsession with the brain over everything is the ultimate expression of modern culture’s rejection of spirit in deference to materialism; that we are all just “lumbering robots” as Dawkins said as quoted by Rupert Sheldrake when he cites his “vivid phrase”. Psychiatry is the ultimate brain cell technocracy gone completely bonkers. Thankfully the world is kicking it out – https://liberation-map.michaelzfreeman.org/

  • I see where you’re coming from but why bring Marx into it ? He’s the least reliable intellectual when it comes to Left Wing politics ( for example see https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intellectuals-Paul-Johnson-ebook/dp/B00EZ6G6WQ/ ). His predicted workers revolution failed to materialise. Entire murderous regimes have been based on his ideology. There is much that The Left has to offer but Marx isn’t one of them.

  • A fitting tribute.

    Of course the money side is important but that gets over emphasised at the expense of the real reason that the damaging drugs are still used … “I wanted to become part of a collective voice demanding change in a world that often made no sense to me, a corrupt and crazy world, which frequently exploits the vulnerable and protects the powerful. I saw that there are many complex forces at play and that the mental- health system is part of a larger system of denial operating within our society.” – Dr Jacqui Dillon head of the Hearing Voices Network in De-medicalising Misery. The social causes; poverty, discrimination, abuse and many others are ignored and replaced with “illness” for the very reason that that is what covers up what these rich, industrialised “rational” societies can’t face and what perpetrators want covered up. There are serious problems with organised crime and corruption and lack of humanity, empathy and compassion. It’s just too scary to face so it’s easier to convert it into that term “MH” and throw out the context. Mary Boyle wrote very eloquently about this in “Making the world go away”. But the one who really cracked it was the Italian psychiatrist Franco Basaglia. Society, but also many campaigners, need to divest themselves of the idea that its only all about money.

  • I must admit at the beginning of these measures I thought about everyone else “this is your punishment” for ignoring the plight of the traumatised and distressed, preyed upon by psychiatry, for decades. But what it really displays is people’s slavish following of medical advice. Reading Wilhelm Reich’s The Murder of Christ has really bought home to me the seriousness of the cover up of real health science and understanding. The book was written in 1950, a much darker time. Now we at least have Somatic Experiencing that is teaching Reich’s discoveries to so many without even mentioning Reich. Reich, like myself, was very outspoken. A fearless critic of societies ignoring of real cures and of rejection of responsibility. I see this whole “measures” situation as having come out of that. But as the Chinese say “Who’s to say what’s good or bad?”. I wonder if ultimately so many people have had their faith in “what the experts say” badly shaken. Good !

  • So this guy is a Marxist ? He claims that he is not endorsing regimes like the former Soviet Union and Communism yet all these regimes who have killed millions were based on Marxism. Again I’m forced to identify what I’ve seen over years and years, especially in my days of very Left wing politics. People are subjected to severe human rights abuses. Socialist Worker comes along waving their banners claiming they are going to save everyone with their “class struggle”. This has been going on for decades and psychiatry and pharma are still there ruining life’s. Does anyone really believe in these Marxists any more ?

  • @KateL Don’t be ashamed of “lashing out” as you put it. That’s self defence. Are you in the UK ? I have experienced the following myself. It’s IDENTICAL … “Mainly people in my real life just think I’m a loser, that I wallow in anger, that I play the victim, or that I need to find a new psychiatrist and “get back on my meds”. They see it as, I’ve had so much “help” and I stubbornly refused to be helped by the help. I guess for now I need to find a way to validate myself. I also have a ton of shame because I don’t like that I lash out at people when I feel like they’re putting me down” … This is the appalling system of cruelty that psychiatry in the UK has setup. I even get this from many (but not all) Samaritans on their support line. But not from Samaritans in the USA. I use a cheap dialling number ( 0845 108 5190 ) to phone USA Samaritans USA – samaritansusa.org and they have always had the utmost respect for me. I feel embarrassed having to call them but they said it was OK. Are we dealing with a widespread social problem in the UK ? The most obtuse, sneaky forms of bullying and mind games have become epidemic. Their prey are those marked by psychiatry as a legitimate target for discrimination, authorised by psychiatrists. Mostly I just laugh at so many people’s (but by no means all) attitude towards me as a “loser” as you put it as I am fully aware of all the battles I’ve won and things I’ve achieved. Most bullies usually have very low self esteem and the bullying comes from a place of envy or jealousy.

  • Many of them are not just “a bit dim”. They are extreme perpetrators who are hired by organised crime syndicates and individual perpetrators to silence victims and cover up for forms of organised crime. They are also an extreme social control system. LOOK at the Child Soldier phenomenon. THAT proves the case. If electroshock is SO beneficial then it would be used on child soldiers in United Nations rehabilitation centers but is not. You people are like what is portrayed in the film Demolition Man. You are totally clueless and naive about the reality of the types of crime and corruption in medical systems and government that we are dealing with as a society. Find out the truth ! Demand that action is taken from your politicians or even better elect someone who will do the job rather than keeping us all in the dark. This “let’s pretend everything is OK” has to stop. We are not dealing with people who just “don’t know any better” (although there may be a few of those).

  • Policy is not changing because Psychiatry is being used for the control of victims of extreme perpetration and cover up of the crimes for the perpetrators. Electroshock is cited as “helpful for those with trauma”. If that’s the case why are the U.N. not using it on child soldiers they rehabilitate in their centers ? See The Alchemy of Wolves and Sheep: A Relational Approach to Internalized Perpetration in Complex Trauma Survivors https://www.amazon.com/Alchemy-Wolves-Sheep-Internalized-Perpetration-ebook/dp/B00G6MOOT4