Friday, November 15, 2019

Comments by lizadeeza

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  • I really do empathize with the deep concern people have about the stigmatization of mental/emotional illness.

    And I believe Zippy does, too.

    Unfortunately, it seems that people are projecting their personal traumas with diagnosis, DSM and discounting what good it could do in certain cases wholesale. Which seems to be just as extreme as a Doctor claiming thr infallibility of a professional resource that is massively revised every few years.

    I grew up with a father who terrorized me and my family, who was a textbook case of Narcissistic PD, as well as Bipolar, and possibly Personality Disorder …. had he been diagnosed with any of the above, perhaps that could have inspired him to heal himself. But even reading the DSM descriptions gave me a HUGE relief .recogning that his pathological treatment of me and other family members was not normal.

    And I would be even more thrilled of Trump sought help ….

  • I am not the “throw the baby out with the bathwater” sort of person.

    There can be a number of truths that can coexist:

    … the DSM has morphed into not so much a tool to help people but tp legitimize drugging up a Nation for the profit motive of the elite of Big Pharma, etc.

    2) That the particular DSM diagnosis of Narcissistic PD is accurate in the case of Trump, and adds fuel to the fire of proving his emotional/mental/moral incompetency of leading our Nation. The man is like a Roach, and it looks like more than just one strategy is necessary to convince the deluded but powerful few to impeach him.

    3) That in order for a people to stop being victimized they need to empower themselves … they need to take full responsibility for their lives and refuse to follow along. Everyone’s experience is the same, but I remember when I first after many years suffering hormonal balances that created bipolar symptoms … extreme depression … that for 6 months I went the DSM route of medication and group therapy … and found myself getting sicker in a totally unique way. Because I never saw myself as a victim, or gave a Doctor the power to make life decisions for me …. I was able to cease my medication and seek a different path toward mental and emotional balance. When I was in a group, I was amazed at how passive people were about their lives and how it revolved around one cocktail or another. I wanted to shake people and say to them … doesn’t it strike you as illogical that there is no consensus on the effectiveness, side-effects, long term results of all these different cocktails? And that Doctors have you forever running on a hamster wheel chasing symptoms and never solving causes of imbalance?

    What I have encountered time and time again is that the majority of “mentally ill” are deeply identified with victimhood, because it is easier to blame an external source for one’s problems than to to take on the task of healing without the “experts” weighing in. In spite of this, I would never want to be denied a diagnosis of some sort that will give me a starting point toward wellness. Just because the DSM has its faults, doesn’t mean it can’t be a useful tool. More important is that people are skeptical about ALL expert advice concerning any life-changing decisions … and learn to analyze, pick and choose according to what works for them … thus escaping being victimized.

    And of course, I am referring to adults … not minors who are not given full rights over their personhood.

  • Oldhead, sorry to say. I have read your comments in many other blogs, and you always stick to the same analysis of politics that is over a century old now. I am not saying that these arguments have no validity … but please lets open up the windows and let some fresh air of diverse opinions.

    Personally I see our Federal system as a corporate oligarchy but I think it is a total cop-out to just say all politicians are corrupt by the system therefore why even bother participating. That is how we got an extreme sort of character in the whitehouse from 25 per cent of eligible voters.

    And I do Not believe that Trump’s administration has no connection whatsoever to mental or emotional health nationally or individually, unless of course you live in an elite bubble where you can afford to pay for private health care, and have no need for social security benefits, and are unconcerned about the further dismantling of the social safety net and are a shareholder of Big Pharma.

  • I entirely agree with Zippy about the importance of using common sense when judging Trump, and his competency to lead the most powerful nation, primarily based upon military power. We need all the information we can get, about the mental/emotional/moral competency of a president. We shouldn’t be squeamish about applying DSM criteria upon the powerful. Otherwise it remains only a way of manipulating the less powerful in this society. It is not a matter of ANY DSM diagnosis that is relevant in judging qualifications of leadership but certainly conditions like Narcissicistic PD and Psycopathic or Sociopathic disorders should not be sweeped under the carpet to save the “feelings” of others.

    Also I don’t believe that upon receiving a DSM diagnosis one instantly becomes a victim. I sought DSM diagnosis for bipolar to confirm what I had been suffering for years prior. But at the same time I didn’t passively accept the “cures” because it never made logical sense to take forever drugs for emotional experience that was not permanent. I didn’t buy the lies of drugs and forever therapy …. but too many people do. And because I received a Diagnosis from a psychiatrist paying him out of pocket without insurance, I was able to avoid the problem of being stuck with a label that would end up stigmatizing me.

    It isn’t that I have a problem with the DSM but rather how it is unfairly used to control people’s lives. Obviously, I don’t agree with all the DSM conclusions of Bipolar, but 75 % truth and I am making up a random figure to learn from is better than 0 %.

    The privacy issue of a DSM diagnosis is of paramount importance to the average private citizen …. but when one is serving the public, in charge of life and death of not just family members but of nations …. one needs to be mentally, morally, emotionally competent … obviously we as a nation haven’t demanded this of any of our leaders’ … primarily because … it seems only the elite classes are free to rule no matter how incompetent they are.

    What is interesting/horrifying to me, is not the fact that Trump’s psychopathology which mirrors aspects of our societal sickness is being called out by some media, citizens, etc … but rather that not Everybody sees this. He is the Emperor without clothes. If any of our neighbors’, friends, or family members spoke/acted in public like he has done, we would instantly question their mental/emotional stabilty. But for too many in this nation, his wealth and power wash his sins/sickness away. But what is ironic, is that his actions bely his actual mental/emotional discipline to carry out one of the most demanding jobs in the world.

  • I actually agree that there is a prevalence of disempowerment in many pyschotherapeutic practices and psychiatric practices and that this indeed is an outgrowth of the socio-political power structure. But I also believe this site DOES address this, and that there are a number of practitioners who actually sincere in partnering with their clients toward health. I believe Nomad has touched on important points at the same time, the manner that it comes across includes some cognitive distortions of black and white thinking and sweeping generalizations, which create a hostile and superficial discourse. How do we address the empowerment of people via the tools and practices available? There is no ONE magic pill,therapy or practice. If there was this site wouldn’t exist in the first place.

  • Tabita – I have been thinking of telling my story for some time, but mainly from the perpective of pursuing my healing journey from symptoms that were once diagnosed as Bipolar 1. I was only briefly on drugs, mainly because I intuitively didn’t trust the concept that drugs would fix me or stabilize me. So my journey has mainly been focussed upon all the different non-prescriptive ways to find balance and health. I have found it very useful to look at myself as a person who is capable of experiencing life on a very wide energetic spectrum … where depression and mania are at the extreme poles. And as long as I am conscious of my energy levels and what in my life affects these levels, and how they do this … I can keep myself in a comfortable energetic range even amidst the most extreme life circumstances. And in coming to this realization, I have noticed that many folks who are deemed to be successful in the world, seem to have energetic experiences that one could call manic, IF they were experiencing them adversely. So my interest is this, who are the SANE crazies out there? That is what makes one person who has a super high energy system a super producer/creative and make another delusional? Because from my experience having a variable energy system which is highly sensitive is mostly a blessing now that I understand it, and really the problems were more cognitive or related to hormonal imbalances that could be easily remedied with a combination of physical activity, natural supplements, and meditation/yoga. It seems to me that instead of rejecting our bodies for telling us we are living a life or thinking thoughts that is self-destructive … we should be looking for mentors who have similar experiences but have learned to navigate successfully through life without seeking a life sentence of prescription drugs and victimizing therapy.