Tuesday, September 17, 2019

Comments by David W.

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  • Hello, Phil,

    Two ways of moving forward:

    1. The 2017 New Year’s Resolutions here:


    2. The “Transformation Triangle” described in this 2007 presentation:



    Just a quick comment: The three corners of the triangle are Public Attitudes, Other Choices and Strategic Litigation. One way to change public attitudes is just to write letters drawing attention to the “Unrecognised Facts” at the Council for Evidence-based Psychiatry, based in the UK: http://www.cepuk.org.

  • Hi, Craig, thank you for clarifying that you volunteer to work with CAIM of the American Psychiatric Association and are not employed by them. I apologize for the error.

    I read in other comments attached to your article that someone has seen that in Psychiatric Times lately: “Yoga, deep breathing, and other non-drug options are getting almost equal airtime to traditional psychiatric approaches.” This is a good sign. Perhaps more psychiatrists are now “woke” in the parlance.

    But like that “woke” right-wing radio host, the history of mainstream psychiatry is recorded and is unescapable. You only have to read accounts of what are labeled “Psychiatric Torture” at the Center for the Human Rights of Users and Survivors of Psychiatry (chrusp.org), the Everyday Horrors of the Mental Health System (http://psychrights.org/horrors.htm) at PsychRights, and the personal stories revealed here at Mad In America and many other places. In fact, to bring it back to Mad In America, in a recent interview article, one psychologist identified two psychiatrists, one who did this:

    “What was interesting was I saw a number of psychiatrists’ kids who were seriously troubled — it wasn’t always psychosis, also other diagnoses — because I was the only one in the area who didn’t use medication and the psychiatrists didn’t want their kids on medication. This included the children of a psychiatrist who treated kids and used medication for all the kids in his practice, but he didn’t want his own children on anything. So that was interesting.”

    and another who moved away from psychotherapy for this reason:

    “I found out later he stopped doing psychotherapy and was only prescribing drugs. I ran into him at a restaurant one day and asked him why he stopped doing therapy with patients. He said, “As a psychiatrist doing psychotherapy I can charge about $200 for a one hour session… if I medicate, I can see four people for 15 minutes each in the same amount of time, for $800 per hour. And if I shock people, I can charge $1500 a pop and it only takes 15 minutes. Do the math, do the math.” And he walked away while I just stood there. That’s the name of the game for most psychiatrists and most pediatricians.”

    So, no, the problem is not one just of inertia. The bottom line is that mainstream psychiatry is now in very bad shape for lots of reasons. You have many hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people on powerful brain-altering drugs for no scientific reason and there doesn’t seem to be a way out for mainstream psychiatry.

    But there is a way out. It’s Proposal (1) on the ISPS-US Moving Forward map and here’s a direct link in Outline View: debategraph.org/prop1sum. I will explain it briefly here and you can look at the detail if you’re interested. What is another major problem with mainstream psychiatry? It does not and never has cured anybody. Unlike any other branch of “medicine” mainstream psychiatry has never cured a single person. All it does is create patients. Now imagine that the reverse happens. A patient is put on drugs, is on them for a time and is then weaned off them, taking into account there may be withdrawal effects. They are re-examined and pronounced “symptom”-free. Is this not a cure? Is this not what mainstream psychiatry wants? To stress the obvious: I don’t believe in mainstream psychiatry at all, but if mainstream psychiatry wants a way out of the dilemma it’s in, here is one way. And perhaps we need a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission.”

    Finally, I hope that your reading of the articles here at Mad In America convinces you to volunteer to work for a non-psychiatric organization. Communicators of your calibre are sorely needed. Blue is a great choice for the diagram, by the way. The color of the sky, an “over-arching” approach… Was that deliberate? I’m guessing so. (But I still, as I said in my earlier comment, disagree with the chart itself).

  • I like this article, Craig, but your chart is wrong. On the line “symptom relief” (I dislike the word “symptom”) you have a number of possible solutions: psychotropic drugs, herbs, sensory therapy and electricity and magnetism. Unfortunately you haven’t included “psychosocial therapies” on this line. I suggest you take a look at the ISPS-US map on this subject, the Moving Forward map: debategraph.org/imfev. It might give some ideas. I also note from your bio. that you are employed by the American Psychiatric Association to communicate “alternative” mental health information. I must say I think of the non-drug therapies that have been proven to work for people in distress as *competing* therapies, not “alternative.” “Alternative” has that horrible overtone of “not-official” and I’m sure that’s not what you mean to communicate here.