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I’m offended. Please delete my account.
I would like to delete my account sirs. This is not fun anymore. I’m offended.
Get me off this site my lady.
I want off this site. Deactivate if you will my lady.
Deactivate my account if you will sir. i don’t think I like this site.
I don’t want to hang around here anymore. Moderator I want my account deactivated.
Delete my account. I don’t think I like it here anymore.
Besides I pretty much won the game today. I thought it would be so much harder than that to prove my point.
One commenter said if you tell me not to take medicine there could be a lawsuit and another said he doesn’t think I need them and that people tell me need them. Steve and others give me the hood cop bad cop routine when Ive managed to do alright on my own.
Keeping with Rogerian argument is the surest way to enlightened path.
The mental healthcare is polarizing and volatile debate when better to find common ground.
This is pretty much the premise of the Rogerian argument layed out by Carl Rogers and it seeks to appease strife and solve conflict.
All stakeholders could probably come to understanding that pharmaceutical industry has skyrocketed the rates of mental illness and possibly we could take a new look at that.
On the other hand there are people in recovery who want to utilize medicine so we could retain that perspective.
This is the ideal path to usher in meaningful change. Recognizing world views and deciding is better to weed it or feed it.
Ok. Well maybe I created that whole story up and am actually fervent in nether region, but didn’t like this virulent attack on psychiatry. Realizing that there are people out there with that side effect that you people make look bad that I wanted to stand up for the other side of this squabble.
I don’t leave my friends behind.
Ok. Well I’ve made my point and you too. “No matter how thin you slice it there are always two sides.“ – Spinoza.
It’s the point to me. They said they want to abolish psychiatry. I love my dr. She was the one who helped me realize by visiting my neighborhood love boutique my woman and I could pretty much solve the problem. The solution worked perfectly and even spiced things up. I only rarely have difficulty during our intimacy. She is a wonderful woman and dr.
Sure there are some side effects but my woman and I work through it with love making pleasure toys that help reduce side effects and give me a ton of energy in that area.
It’s worth it to us because I’m not delusional and we have s finacially stable life.
If taking my prescribed medicine at a low dose and thereby going on dates with beautiful women throughout course of my adulthood and having a career is wrong….I don’t want to be right.
That’s contentious cat.
Proverbs 15:18 A wrathful man stirreth up contention; But he that is slow to anger appeaseth strife.
Things happen when all those involved including dr’s work together. All social workers on here were trained in Carl Rogers person centered therapy.
I wasn’t but I recognize he moved his life’s work past his therapy to making change happen in the world and even global affairs. His work could potentially be realized with improving healthcare.
Scaling my tone way back to a friendly guy.
I personally need my prescription. I’m now 40, am not suffering with delusions 24/7, have job and a mortgage.
Have no problem with you educating others so they don’t take medicine they don’t have to take.
My Dr. is great. She talked to me on the phone on Saturday ( I love small town living). She feels I’m in the middle of a midlife crisis and believes a weekend trip hiking and camping will allow me to let off steam.
Sjr thinks it’s best I stop reading mad in America. So long and farewell.
I was going to try and say I’m 39 and I know what happens to me if I don’t watch myself and take care of myself with treatment. I got confronted on here for saying that actually. If you interpreted comment in different way please except my apology.
Once again please delete my account.
woah…Steve I’m sorry if you took it that way. I didn’t meant what uprising commenter said. Really. I hope you believe me. I will go ahead and look for greener pastures.
Moderator please delete my account.
Ok Ill go ahead and tell the moderator that I want you to block my account. I didn’t realize you can’t ask someone for an apology. I’m sorry Steve. I didn’t mean it to sound that way. I hope you believe me. Translation got lost in the text.
I would prefer you delete my account. I don’t want to visit this website anymore.
There doesn’t seem to be a way to delete my account.
By the way I expect an apology for comparing me to someone else.
Otherwise I plan to confront you at alternatives conference and as a gentleman invite you to step outside with me to solve this. It’s your choice to decline or go with me, but at least I can be ok with myself.
Heres my comment.
You report me although a few weeks back you challenged me and compared my battle to Will Hall, Eleanor Longden, and John Nash.
In which I said my story is more like Ken Steele and also said John Nash got better in his 50’s after decades of trying which is kind of different.
All you can dish it out but you can’t take the heat when someone else turns it on you. PERIOD.
You are unable to dispute me.
I think other ethnicities don’t want to be affiliated here but looking for more moderate place to write and contribute.
White privilege all you progressive liberals write about at its finest turned on its toes.
I talk to people in recovery if they are in therapy or not. Take medicine or they don’t. Say they have a mental illness or they don’t.
I don’t place myself higher than others and tell them what to do. And I don’t let other people write about me and place me above them either. I would call someone who did that my enemy before I accept their compliment at expense of others.
That’s why people of other ethnicities dont author here even if they agree with you because it’s obvious that’s what your doing.
I actually lose respect for people that write with an all or nothing attitude.
As long as I stay in the aisle of guys/girls that have a mental illness it doesn’t matter to me how it’s defined. I know that I like where I’m situated within the spectrum of is there a mental illness or no mental illness. I look at it like in terms of mean, medium, mode, false positives, and false negatives.
With that a picture appears and it’s somewhat what Larry Davidson mentions at end of his continuing education series on mad in America website.
I respect Olga’s work and other. Clearly individuals can withdrawal from psychotropics and some can live with psychosis and even go on to embrace the gifts they have. Nonetheless, it seems evident from comments like fiachra that general public doesn’t understand schizophrenia. And the author seems to agree with commenters as well. The commenter truth had a helpful comment.
It’s thought that anatomy of epidemic focused primarily on topic of schizophrenia and didn’t go into detail on the diagnosis of depression. I think it’s even more the case that general public doesn’t understand challenges of depression because they make so many comments like fiachara concerning depression.
Can you admit it’s only white peoples messing with big pharma?
I’m gonna get back in touch with inaps international association of peer specialists that represents a bigger mix of people who are making an impact on the field.
If you like. Here is one reason. I’m still thinking of Monica Cassini’s article a while back and the comment she made comparing her article to privileged white people who claim their not racist.
Ever wonder why most of authors here are white? Well maybe it’s because other ethnicities like better to speak up in more moderate forums. It’s usually the privileged white people she writes against that are the few who feel comfortable speaking up on a radical website and also such an open in public forum.
That’s hypocrisy for you.
It’s carthartic for me to be a pompous ass to some of the authors and commenters here and to bombard site with YouTube videos.
Most people in recovery think you people are way to far left. Being more in the middle is better for me. Even if I have more extreme views I keep them to myself or close friends.
Guess what？You don’t know my views.
You people are old and cynical. You spend a lot of your time reminiscing on former lovers. You take this anguish out on a young guy with a positive demeanor.
I vehemently oppose you wittingly referring to my kind as a good boy for taking prescribed medicine.
The authors and commenters telling me how it’s done with getting better more often than not white middle aged or elderly men or women. This is same tune different name.
I know a little about free market and mixed market economies from high school.
Just seems this whole part of healthcare reform is conveniently left out of the story in articles I read.
We’re partly to blame for not insisting newspapers enlighten us in their articles. It’s paramount to know how all the different parts are interwoven like government, hospitals, insurance industry in creating healthcare reform.
It’s like there are two dogs in the neighborhood living side by side. In the darkness the news outlets are strolling through the alley making the dogs bark at each other until the aggression gets higher. They are controlling the conversation.
The two dogs need to remain calm and vigilant and not be manipulated by the cunning and pervasive news outlets and seek out truth.
I think those writing up the health care reform need to learn more about a free market economy and how government intervenes within a free market system. It’s been more of a hybrid system with healthcare, insurance, and government intwined.
The health care act is essentially leaving a free market system with the goal of universal healthcare.
This lack of understanding and interest is DOWNING the push for universal right to healthcare for all.
Program says works best with low level alcoholics. If anyone reading these comments considering AA – you can get initial taste by reading big book online at no cost. Just google search it.
If you think program is good you can go to meeting, but don’t thirteenth step with fellow AA members or you could get an std. If you go stick with the winners in the program and look for intimate partners outside of AA walls.
Ok – good to know.
I would have liked if you wrote your comment on promoting choice into article after you wrote, “they were all harmful and pathologizing at worst and ineffective at best.”
I encourage all social workers reading mad in America to read or re-read the AA big book publication.
I think AA helps many people. Too many people on this site are against everything.
I hope you guys win and get everything you want.
On another note I now understand my diagnosis of schizophrenia. My neurotransmitters are firing differently which causes psychosis symptoms.
There is in fact a biological component making it an illness but also provides mechanism to get in contact with the universal concept of divinity.
Hey what do you think? I came up with this a couple years ago while staring at the moon on my back porch. This is what I believe.
THANK YOU For THE ARTICLES BERNALYN.
Spoiling Split: Hollywood’s Latest Run at ‘Alternative Facts’
Sera Davidow says I’m a good boy in this article and now I’m a drug user pill popper as well.
By the way I’ve listened to Dr. Breggin for years. I listen to many news sources but I prefer to pick and choose what I actually hear. There’s a lot of junk mixed with a few good nuggets.
Oh and also I’m one of the “good boys” Sera referred to in her Spoiling Split: Hollywood’s Latest Run at ‘Alternative Facts’ article.
Perhaps I would look at your articles more carefully if you didn’t condescend me.
Gee that’s great, thanks for feedback.
I try to be an advocate and not an adversary. For me it works much better.
Nice to see another article from you. There are a lot of rural counties that only have a Nami or dbsalliance or they may not have either as an option.
You do get a lot of recovery minded people in the country.
Absolutely other natural community support group options would be a good thing.
only thing the analysis of reports does is make it look like researchers break the infamous neremberg code because the analysis flat out say the studies lied. Also because it passes our borders into international boundaries.
The medicine alleviates pain for a lot of people so will not appear that ethical laws are in judgement. This wont stand from rebuking studies. It will change minds of a lot people though.
It was interesting to see how latest world health organization statement on depression a few months ago. I think the same statement could be said for schizophrenia too. Victories like that go a long way and are good to see.
I’m thankful for the medicine because I think being out of touch with reality and having difficulty performing life tasks is grounds for an illness. Although this is the case I too have a scientific point to address. I formulated this sitting on my back deck late at night having a cup of tea listening to Sam Prekop’s self titled album.
There is one area where the psychiatric profession is near to the point with term schizophrenia.This actually is when someone has an illness that has the strong biological component of the central nervous system as root cause. They then prescribe a psychotropic and the direct result is an alleviation of symptoms because these medicines change behavior of the neurotransmitters.
There are actually three causes of schizophrenia that I have deciphered and there are likely more as schizophrenia is apparently an illness of unknown origin. I’ve mentioned one in the above paragraph. The additional two are hormone regulation and functioning of the endocrine bodily system and an environmental cause such as a history of trauma.
The illusion of the medical profession is that they can treat all cases of schizophrenia with a psychotropic. Knowing that a psychotropic alters the function of neurotransmitters it would hold true that they would only alleviate pain if the schizophrenia was caused by the central nervous system.
If schizophrenia was caused by hormones or a broad range of environmental factors psychotropic wouldn’t assist but would actually make recovery more difficult. You’d also be introducing a new biological component to the body which could even look like an illness, but in theory it would be the pharmaceuticals. This is particularly troublesome for someone that had an onset of symptoms due to an unknown environmental cause.
Are you calling me a racist or are you saying I perpetrate against people have a mental illness? Im not and I don’t.
So many of you are aging. Medication is not the first choice for young people experiencing mental health challenges or choice of parents. Read below and perhaps you can get a sense of why the same people comment on this site over and over with no new people.
If you know someone who has depression it is possible to get better.
“It can be therapied away, can be loved away, and if needed medicated away.” – John B Wells. (Hope I quoted John B accurately.)
Am I supposed to just both of your words for it without hearing the other side of story? I just can’t sit by why others mock someone who isn’t around to defend themselves.
I’m not part of mad in America / beyond meds OR the traditional mental health system. They both ran near to me, but skipped to the side. I’m far away and on my own. I could also say each was a speedbump in the way for me to find the path for me.
Spinoza says, “No matter how thin you slice it there are always two sides.” I have no idea what the other person said so it’s laughable that you said “it’s always those guilty of it that are triggered by it and who get all bent out of shape.”
I too go to massage therapy and it’s great. Actually I see psychiatrist one time every four months for five minutes and massage therapist once every two weeks for one hour.
In theory having difficulty maintaining life functions could mean that it’s an illness.
This article by dr Nial Mclauren succinctly answers this question. He described how he still prescribes medicine at the same rate he did in the 1980’s even though use of prescriptions has skyrocketed. This pretty much means that so many more people are seeking mental health services than they previously did.
The long withstanding belief about the rates of mental illnesses also increased. This however is an illusion, because from beginning many of these individuals didn’t need intensive services.
Than these people who are like aggressive radical advocates humiliate and bash people who are sick even though they have already been through ringer and treated bad by nearly everybody. It’s a double dose of abuse and coming from those who have also been on the other side of a locked psychiatric ward.
I think that the rate dr mclaren states is a good indicator of prevalence of mental illness however there is one point I want to add.
This more accurate portrayal of rates of mental illness stated by dr mclaren is made up of those with both a biological cause as well as an environmental cause. It basically takes extreme scrutiny and discernment to determine what method of treatment or how this person came to be so ill. I think that those with a biological cause medicine would help if they choose to try it and those with environmental cause like emotional trauma would be helped more by talk therapy and other methods. It doesn’t make sense that medicine would help them if their mental distress was due to environmental factor.
I suppose I meant if people find you boring or fun.
I’m retiring from MadinAmerica. I’ve had more fun picking my toenails than commenting here the last few weeks.
Just wait and see.
I don’t want to quibble back and forth about this. I’m gonna read the next article.
Although with the ladies I still have problems communicating, albeit a new one. “All lies and jest, Still a man hears what he wants to hear. And disregards the rest.” ~ S & G
Although ….While not going into too much detail I don’t just strip down to basics and validate. Someone who studies semantics would have a grasp of the English language and be able to comprehend more meanings and emotions rather than just state back. There is normally more going and it’s inundated. This may be better training than the graduate courses they give now.
I tried communicating that way for a few years and my dates handed me my walking papers. I think the opposite sex prefers confidence and independent thought. Stimulation as opposed to constant validation.
If Steve was gonna report my comment he should be fair and report yours as well.
Well pleased to see that Mad in America let me make a few comments last week without blocking my account. I think now I’ll tone it down a few notches. It just makes me frustrated when left wing people on here talk down to me when I can see they usually have a purpose behind what they are saying. As the wise old Spinoza dude once said “no matter how thin you slice it there are always two sides.”
Did you hear Dwayne the Rock Johnson might run in 2020 ? It would be really great if he asked Jesse Ventura to be VP. I get a good deal of my news from Jesse Ventura. Ayyyhhhhhh Yeah it’s true. You can look it up if you want to.
Gee sorry to hear that. Now most of you are all better and are old
“the psychiatric wards were full of psychedelically induced schizophrenia.”
Steve…That’s not the real thing if you know what I mean.
kindred spirit and Steve ….The folly is in you too.
Ken Steele was one of the leaders I looked up to Steve. I knew he had been through it. I related to him.
Think about that Steve.
I’m prepared for me e beatdown from people here. I realize this is Mad in America.
I hope my comment doesnt get deleted. Im standing up for the other group of us who don’t agree with you. Everytime one of us comes along we get chased away. The difference with me is I like it. I hope the moderators respect that.
I’ve said it before I’ll say it again. I’d give my left arm for the medicine I take. If I make it the promised land I’ll even visit the keeper of damned souls to put it a good word for any big pharma people that are there just for selling this medicine. You don’t get that because You’ll never understand how it feels to be that sick.
Your goals leave out me an egghead that has schizophrenia. It’s obviously due to my central nervous system and the way messages flow to and away from my brain.
It’s always you cool people who have mental health challenges that mimic the real thing trying to tell everybody what to do.
Well feelingdiscourhed, Its because it’s not a failure of cns. It’s just acting differently. People that have schizophrenia are highly gifted after all.
Well feeling discourged.
I realize this is bizarre , however there is an indistinguishable trait when central nervous system is the cause.
This is actually that the wiring and firing of neurotransmitters that causes psychosis happens to be the reason for the emergence of spiritual or supernatural phenomenon.
The other onsets (environmental, hormone) do not allow one to have this psychic or spiritual connection. But very few individuals are psychics… are in the void and in need of help.
The Dr. or other professional must use instincts. Most of the time individuals would not talk about this with their voices or delusions if psychosis is due to environmental or hormones. This is psychology after where observation and talking are a specific element of treatment.
My observations happen to align with Dr. Niall McLaren Mainstream western psychiatry article where he discusses how he still prescribes medicine to same percentage os people e did in 1980s. He believes that the use of medicine has increased but mental illnesses have not.
It’s therefore probably true that those with issues with central nervous system unusual functioning present as more sick and those with the other two onsets I mentioned do not have illnesses as profound ….may be able to find better treatment than pharmaceutical meds or may not even need medicine.
Well there has yet to be a cause for psychosis and so it is only logical that there are several reasons for etymology or onset. I’ve decided of all the theories out there that much of the time psychosis root is from endocrine system (hormones), central nervous system (neurotransmitters), or a specific environmental root cause such as abuse.
Out of the three I mentioned medicines only help one being that of issues with central nervous system.
You talked about how amount of medication trials and going from different medications may decrease drug effectiveness.
Here’s one for you:
Does length of time on one medication limit possible long term adverse effects?
I guess people here don’t like my cross referencing of data. That is the data the author describes is needed.
All you female medical students out there I just answered your thesis for you. All you psychiatry professors yes I know I’m a former service user and ask better questions than your medical students.
If medicines interact withy neurotransmitters than they would only benefit those with a medical challenge. Like if the central nervous system and firing of transmitters was out of whack psychiatric medicines may help feel better. Seems this thinking is logical for depression and psychosis.
If the endocrine system and regulation of hormones was out of whack these medicines likely wouldn’t aid because its much different medical challenge. If mental health challenges were due to any number of environmental factor like trauma pharmacology wouldn’t aid as its not a medical challenge ….but a emotional/spiritual challenge…, but pharmacology would alter neurotransmitters … leading to consequences from the medicine.
My parents always told me to be original and not to compare myself to others. So…I’m not interested in what they say. I’m interested in the good book and my dad.
As far as I’m concerned Steve Harrington with the INAPS International association of peer specialists was on right path with national peer certification. I was bummed when INAPS national certification didn’t go forward. It was so much better.
Steve has the right personality and attitude to bring people together and make change happen.Steve also formed meaningful relationships with therapists, nurses, and dr.s. His way is realistic and ideally what I try to do as well.
I don’t understand what depression feels like, but I know what delusions, hearing tormenting voices, and extreme states feel like. I wonder as it so happens if the articles and commenters about having depression make you as uncomfortable as I do when I read articles and comments relevant to psychosis.
You know what I mean. It’s still a good and informative website, but you have to pick and choose what you find interesting.
A passionate man stirreth up strifes: he that is patient appeaseth those that are stirred up. -Proverbs 15:18
Maybe an outlet to offer competition to mental health america on a better national certification.
Better is the poor man that privodith for himself, than he that is glorious and wanteth bread. -Proverbs 12:9
I would work as a peer anytime before I’d sit behind a computer screen explaining to everyone the way it ought to be. Well intentioned peers go to work day in and day out and make change happen in the system all while facing stigma within system head on.
~ Pat H.