Well, when something horrible has been going on at your apartment building for nearly a year, keeping you from getting your sleep, and the hospital administrator is your landlord who doesn’t want to deal with it, the psychiatrist has a conflict of interest and you’ll get diagnosed as suffering from psychoses real fast. Never mind that other tenants were having problems too. I didn’t have psychoses, the psychiatrist did. And so did the landlord. Yes, I’m anti-psychiatry – because they have a god complex. They think they know you’re lying when you’re telling the truth. Putting me on psychiatric dope wasn’t going to change anything. I was dealing with a very real situation with noise day after day night after night. It wasn’t my imagination, and it wasn’t my neighbor’s imagination. It wasn’t a fictitious character having a water fight (or soda) with the neighbor across the way one night – another neighbor thought was a stampede. Psychiatrists need to address their god complexes and stop prescribing for conditions that don’t exist. They can’t be trusted. This is what happens when there is no biological disease. The diagnoses are all cooked up in their heads. Like I say, they’re the ones with psychoses.
Sounds like we found our own “treatment plans” ☺️
Exactly.
Indeed – and they did tell us to do what we needed to do to take care of ourselves – then were all over us when we did. We were told to advocate for ourselves as well, but when we did it was taken as “not getting with the program”. Our drop in center was going to do Mary Ellen Copeland’s program – the Wellness Recovery Action Plan (WRAP) which is voluntary, but then we were told that we HAD to write out a plan and we were going to HAVE to share it. Well, silly me knew the program, knew it was voluntary and knew we did not have to share it, so I contacted WRAP and they told me that the drop in center was not doing WRAP if they were going to force us to do it and if they were going to force us to share. That was the last we heard of it, which was sad. Doing WRAP as it was intended can be very beneficial – but the drop in center wanted control.
Therapy has definitely become hazardous. People pay for it, and the counselors (two of the last 3 I was seeing a number of years ago) got to decide what I wanted to talk about. I couldn’t talk about what was bothering me. I finally quit going.
And if you work at a drop in center, you better make sure you attend all the functions, even if you have PTSD and need peace and quiet, have another disability that limits your activities and use long walks for therapy and don’t have the time to go to their functions – seriously. The social functions were not mandatory for employees, though at one point they tried to make them so. I was accused of “not being as knowledgeable” about what was going on at the center because I didn’t go to the social functions – which wasn’t true. They were not part of the job, nor informational in nature. They were supposed to be socializing and having “fun” but would not be for me. They would suck up time I needed at home for other things like mowing my lawn and doing repairs around the house or getting in my long walks. They don’t want you independent; they want you to stay as involved with the “mental health community” as possible. They want you reliant. Dependent. It’s a religion. You suck other people into it if you’re a good patient. You invite them to the drop in center and get them to come to the social groups. You teach them the language.
They have ways of guilting people into continuing to come. The “mental health community” calls wanting to be alone “isolating”. A healthy person would call it solitude. Whatever terms normal people have for normal, healthy behaviors, the “mental health community” has a negative word for the same thing and use it against “patients”. God forbid you have any time to yourself. Oh no – you must attend their “church” functions.
I don’t mean to impugn religion. That’s not my intent. But that’s what the “mental health community” is.
Totally agree. It empowers the DSM. Truth is that psychiatrists cannot get into people’s minds and know what’s going on there. They just think they do. Psychiatrists can have conflicts of interest and refuse to believe a patient about what is going on in their life, and instead choose to label them as suffering from psychosis. Been there, done that. The fraud of psychiatry was never so clear to me as it has been ever since that experience.
Nobody is more narcissistic than someone who thinks they can know what’s going on in someone elses mind, i.e., psychiatrists. Nobody should be getting “diagnosed.”
“I am trying to track down the study that allegedly shows people avoid care for fear of involuntary commitment. I think it is one of those mental health propagated myths that has no basis in fact,”
What a load. That guy doesn’t need a “study” – just ask patients anonymously.
If not avoiding therapy, we’re certainly afraid to express our feelings to anyone. I remember coming out of the hospital and thinking “Never again.” Never again will I go to someone for help. They lie. “Just check in for the night; you can leave in the morning.” Never again will I confide in family members. Never again will I tell my counselor what I’m thinking. Then when you get out of the hospital, whether voluntary or committed, there is so much catching up to do. Mail, bills, life. Everything that went to hell (sorry) while you were being held – because you are a prisoner when you check in voluntarily, too. Where (and when) I was at, they kept all patients a minimum of two weeks. No one to help when you get out.
Now this is insanity. I’d like to share a multi-day migraine with them and see if they still felt that way – complete with nausea and vomiting.
Julie, I’m not sure you understand that when I say it’s people’s hearts that are the problem – it’s not about cardiologists. It’s a spiritual issue. It doesn’t have anything to do with the physical.
The first one I was given was to treat migraines. It didn’t work.
It’s not about guns. People can and do use other weapons to commit mass murder. We just call it by another name. Calling it terrorism doesn’t change the fact that it’s mass murder https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/mass-killings-vs-mass-shootings/
People have used knives, machetes, cars, trucks, bombs, airplanes, etc. The problem isn’t guns. It’s people’s hearts.
That’s the truth.
Criminals do not regard any law. They will find a way to get their hands on whatever weapon they choose. There have been more “mass killings” with other weapons that people have chosen – including airplanes, cars, trucks, knives, bombs, etc.
An AR 15 is not an assault weapon. It may look like one but it is not “fully automatic” as the media would like us believe. It is one shot per pull of the trigger like any hand gun.
Exactly. They came up with “diagnoses” by voting on what names certain behaviors should be given. They didn’t “discover” any disease or illness the scientific way.
“Researchers are now claiming they can diagnose depression based on the color and saturation of photos in your Instagram feed and predict manic episodes based on your Facebook status updates”
Just outrageous – they can’t even get inside people’s heads and find out if the problem you have with noisy neighbors is real. My situation lasted over a year. I signed myself in because I couldn’t take it any more. The doctor had a conflict of interest because he knew the landlord. Don’tcha know I HAD to be having psychoses so the landlord wouldn’t have to kick out the problem tenant even though other neighbors were having problems, too. They never ask WHY people do or say things. There is a story in the book by William Glasser about a girl others were convinced had one diagnosis – but the girl eventually started talking one word at a time. Turns out her father raped her. Like I say, no doctor can get inside your head and know what your experience was. They shouldn’t be handing out diagnoses like they do. There is an “assumption of guilt” and the psychiatrist, for the “mental patient” is judge and jury.
Trump is so wrong on this. These people write manifestos laying out their plans. They are not mentally ill. They are cold and calculating. A sociopath, maybe, a psychopath, maybe, but like Robert Hare says, “Psychopaths are not disoriented or out of touch with reality, nor do they experience the delusions, hallucinations, or intense subjective distress that characterize most other mental disorders. Unlike psychotic individuals, psychopaths are rational and aware of what they are doing and why. Their behavior is the result of choice, freely exercised.”
Indeed. It has always bothered me that they say (any) mental illness is “inherited”. Some are from traumatic experiences, and some are even learned behaviors (and they can’t tell the difference between inherited or learned if they never ask). Psychiatry would have said I’d inherited my mother’s “mental illness” – but it was a learned behavior. When I was very young, she used to avoid relatives in stores, and say “We have to get out of here”…I picked up on her fear, and repeated the behavior as I grew older. When I was around 40, I realized that it was irrational for me to be doing that. There was never any reason for us to be avoiding relatives other than my mother’s extreme dislike of my father’s side of the family. The anxiety I experienced even as an adult never went away, even though I was able to change my behavior.
Totally agree. And it’s not just about involuntary hospitalization. Doctors think they can treat emotionally disturbed patients (I don’t call it “mental illness) any way they want.
I have been involuntarily “admitted” once, but another time the doctor lied to me about voluntary admissions. He said I could go home if I felt better the next morning (I was having trouble dealing with a situation going on in my life). Little did I know that with this particular unit, once you voluntarily admitted yourself, they kept you for two weeks – no exceptions. Betrayal doesn’t begin to cover what I felt. I had no time to make arrangements for care for my pets, no time to prepare for hospitalization. No toothbrush, no toothpaste, no changes of clothing. And when you get out, you have a lot of stress playing “catch up with life” like bills, accumulated mail, etc. If you’re held for a hearing, you’re kept in isolation and staff doesn’t listen to you, they manipulate you. They don’t listen to you about non-prescription meds that you need. Every physical illness you have is called into question. Having to ask to sign agreements 3 times and waiting for HOURS before getting a response. That’s not “medicine” It’s emotional abuse.
Seems like circular reasoning. They say those women have a mental illness with no proof. Then they find a biomarker that supposedly proves it. What “mental illness” did they claim those women had?
No. Depression is called a “mental illness” which is an oxymoron. The mind cannot get sick.
They gave me anti-depressants as a “prophylactic” for nearly daily migraines. I did end up with depression in addition to the migraines, but it took me a long time to figure out their “chemical imbalance” was nonsense and that the depression was due to the excruciating chronic pain – and that is a pretty normal reaction. The anti-depressants did not help the migraines or the depression one bit.
I was fortunate to be able to avoid the antipsychotics, though the psychiatrists did try to get me on them. Weaned myself off Sinequan when they were going to raise it the last time. It wasn’t helping and I decided I’d had enough. I had enough of the different dosages when they kept raising it to reverse the process. Fortunately I had no problems. Doc prescribed the stronger form of Neurontin and I tried it once. I’m sure some people would enjoy the buzzy feeling for 8 hours, but not me. Never again. It sounds like Abilify is harder to get off of than pain meds. Are there any numbers regarding how many people abuse psychiatric drugs?
Well, when something horrible has been going on at your apartment building for nearly a year, keeping you from getting your sleep, and the hospital administrator is your landlord who doesn’t want to deal with it, the psychiatrist has a conflict of interest and you’ll get diagnosed as suffering from psychoses real fast. Never mind that other tenants were having problems too. I didn’t have psychoses, the psychiatrist did. And so did the landlord. Yes, I’m anti-psychiatry – because they have a god complex. They think they know you’re lying when you’re telling the truth. Putting me on psychiatric dope wasn’t going to change anything. I was dealing with a very real situation with noise day after day night after night. It wasn’t my imagination, and it wasn’t my neighbor’s imagination. It wasn’t a fictitious character having a water fight (or soda) with the neighbor across the way one night – another neighbor thought was a stampede. Psychiatrists need to address their god complexes and stop prescribing for conditions that don’t exist. They can’t be trusted. This is what happens when there is no biological disease. The diagnoses are all cooked up in their heads. Like I say, they’re the ones with psychoses.
Sounds like we found our own “treatment plans” ☺️
Exactly.
Indeed – and they did tell us to do what we needed to do to take care of ourselves – then were all over us when we did. We were told to advocate for ourselves as well, but when we did it was taken as “not getting with the program”. Our drop in center was going to do Mary Ellen Copeland’s program – the Wellness Recovery Action Plan (WRAP) which is voluntary, but then we were told that we HAD to write out a plan and we were going to HAVE to share it. Well, silly me knew the program, knew it was voluntary and knew we did not have to share it, so I contacted WRAP and they told me that the drop in center was not doing WRAP if they were going to force us to do it and if they were going to force us to share. That was the last we heard of it, which was sad. Doing WRAP as it was intended can be very beneficial – but the drop in center wanted control.
Therapy has definitely become hazardous. People pay for it, and the counselors (two of the last 3 I was seeing a number of years ago) got to decide what I wanted to talk about. I couldn’t talk about what was bothering me. I finally quit going.
And if you work at a drop in center, you better make sure you attend all the functions, even if you have PTSD and need peace and quiet, have another disability that limits your activities and use long walks for therapy and don’t have the time to go to their functions – seriously. The social functions were not mandatory for employees, though at one point they tried to make them so. I was accused of “not being as knowledgeable” about what was going on at the center because I didn’t go to the social functions – which wasn’t true. They were not part of the job, nor informational in nature. They were supposed to be socializing and having “fun” but would not be for me. They would suck up time I needed at home for other things like mowing my lawn and doing repairs around the house or getting in my long walks. They don’t want you independent; they want you to stay as involved with the “mental health community” as possible. They want you reliant. Dependent. It’s a religion. You suck other people into it if you’re a good patient. You invite them to the drop in center and get them to come to the social groups. You teach them the language.
They have ways of guilting people into continuing to come. The “mental health community” calls wanting to be alone “isolating”. A healthy person would call it solitude. Whatever terms normal people have for normal, healthy behaviors, the “mental health community” has a negative word for the same thing and use it against “patients”. God forbid you have any time to yourself. Oh no – you must attend their “church” functions.
I don’t mean to impugn religion. That’s not my intent. But that’s what the “mental health community” is.
Totally agree. It empowers the DSM. Truth is that psychiatrists cannot get into people’s minds and know what’s going on there. They just think they do. Psychiatrists can have conflicts of interest and refuse to believe a patient about what is going on in their life, and instead choose to label them as suffering from psychosis. Been there, done that. The fraud of psychiatry was never so clear to me as it has been ever since that experience.
Nobody is more narcissistic than someone who thinks they can know what’s going on in someone elses mind, i.e., psychiatrists. Nobody should be getting “diagnosed.”
“I am trying to track down the study that allegedly shows people avoid care for fear of involuntary commitment. I think it is one of those mental health propagated myths that has no basis in fact,”
What a load. That guy doesn’t need a “study” – just ask patients anonymously.
If not avoiding therapy, we’re certainly afraid to express our feelings to anyone. I remember coming out of the hospital and thinking “Never again.” Never again will I go to someone for help. They lie. “Just check in for the night; you can leave in the morning.” Never again will I confide in family members. Never again will I tell my counselor what I’m thinking. Then when you get out of the hospital, whether voluntary or committed, there is so much catching up to do. Mail, bills, life. Everything that went to hell (sorry) while you were being held – because you are a prisoner when you check in voluntarily, too. Where (and when) I was at, they kept all patients a minimum of two weeks. No one to help when you get out.
Now this is insanity. I’d like to share a multi-day migraine with them and see if they still felt that way – complete with nausea and vomiting.
Julie, I’m not sure you understand that when I say it’s people’s hearts that are the problem – it’s not about cardiologists. It’s a spiritual issue. It doesn’t have anything to do with the physical.
The first one I was given was to treat migraines. It didn’t work.
It’s not about guns. People can and do use other weapons to commit mass murder. We just call it by another name. Calling it terrorism doesn’t change the fact that it’s mass murder
https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/mass-killings-vs-mass-shootings/
People have used knives, machetes, cars, trucks, bombs, airplanes, etc. The problem isn’t guns. It’s people’s hearts.
That’s the truth.
Criminals do not regard any law. They will find a way to get their hands on whatever weapon they choose. There have been more “mass killings” with other weapons that people have chosen – including airplanes, cars, trucks, knives, bombs, etc.
An AR 15 is not an assault weapon. It may look like one but it is not “fully automatic” as the media would like us believe. It is one shot per pull of the trigger like any hand gun.
Exactly. They came up with “diagnoses” by voting on what names certain behaviors should be given. They didn’t “discover” any disease or illness the scientific way.
“Researchers are now claiming they can diagnose depression based on the color and saturation of photos in your Instagram feed and predict manic episodes based on your Facebook status updates”
Just outrageous – they can’t even get inside people’s heads and find out if the problem you have with noisy neighbors is real. My situation lasted over a year. I signed myself in because I couldn’t take it any more. The doctor had a conflict of interest because he knew the landlord. Don’tcha know I HAD to be having psychoses so the landlord wouldn’t have to kick out the problem tenant even though other neighbors were having problems, too. They never ask WHY people do or say things. There is a story in the book by William Glasser about a girl others were convinced had one diagnosis – but the girl eventually started talking one word at a time. Turns out her father raped her. Like I say, no doctor can get inside your head and know what your experience was. They shouldn’t be handing out diagnoses like they do. There is an “assumption of guilt” and the psychiatrist, for the “mental patient” is judge and jury.
Trump is so wrong on this. These people write manifestos laying out their plans. They are not mentally ill. They are cold and calculating. A sociopath, maybe, a psychopath, maybe, but like Robert Hare says, “Psychopaths are not disoriented or out of touch with reality, nor do they experience the delusions, hallucinations, or intense subjective distress that characterize most other mental disorders. Unlike psychotic individuals, psychopaths are rational and aware of what they are doing and why. Their behavior is the result of choice, freely exercised.”
Indeed. It has always bothered me that they say (any) mental illness is “inherited”. Some are from traumatic experiences, and some are even learned behaviors (and they can’t tell the difference between inherited or learned if they never ask). Psychiatry would have said I’d inherited my mother’s “mental illness” – but it was a learned behavior. When I was very young, she used to avoid relatives in stores, and say “We have to get out of here”…I picked up on her fear, and repeated the behavior as I grew older. When I was around 40, I realized that it was irrational for me to be doing that. There was never any reason for us to be avoiding relatives other than my mother’s extreme dislike of my father’s side of the family. The anxiety I experienced even as an adult never went away, even though I was able to change my behavior.
Totally agree. And it’s not just about involuntary hospitalization. Doctors think they can treat emotionally disturbed patients (I don’t call it “mental illness) any way they want.
I have been involuntarily “admitted” once, but another time the doctor lied to me about voluntary admissions. He said I could go home if I felt better the next morning (I was having trouble dealing with a situation going on in my life). Little did I know that with this particular unit, once you voluntarily admitted yourself, they kept you for two weeks – no exceptions. Betrayal doesn’t begin to cover what I felt. I had no time to make arrangements for care for my pets, no time to prepare for hospitalization. No toothbrush, no toothpaste, no changes of clothing. And when you get out, you have a lot of stress playing “catch up with life” like bills, accumulated mail, etc. If you’re held for a hearing, you’re kept in isolation and staff doesn’t listen to you, they manipulate you. They don’t listen to you about non-prescription meds that you need. Every physical illness you have is called into question. Having to ask to sign agreements 3 times and waiting for HOURS before getting a response. That’s not “medicine” It’s emotional abuse.
Seems like circular reasoning. They say those women have a mental illness with no proof. Then they find a biomarker that supposedly proves it. What “mental illness” did they claim those women had?
No. Depression is called a “mental illness” which is an oxymoron. The mind cannot get sick.
They gave me anti-depressants as a “prophylactic” for nearly daily migraines. I did end up with depression in addition to the migraines, but it took me a long time to figure out their “chemical imbalance” was nonsense and that the depression was due to the excruciating chronic pain – and that is a pretty normal reaction. The anti-depressants did not help the migraines or the depression one bit.
I was fortunate to be able to avoid the antipsychotics, though the psychiatrists did try to get me on them. Weaned myself off Sinequan when they were going to raise it the last time. It wasn’t helping and I decided I’d had enough. I had enough of the different dosages when they kept raising it to reverse the process. Fortunately I had no problems. Doc prescribed the stronger form of Neurontin and I tried it once. I’m sure some people would enjoy the buzzy feeling for 8 hours, but not me. Never again. It sounds like Abilify is harder to get off of than pain meds. Are there any numbers regarding how many people abuse psychiatric drugs?