To Birdsong: Thank You, Thank You, Thank You for all of your posts on this comment thread. I absolutely agree: Psychiatry is the greatest enemy of humanity. People everywhere should be warned and on guard to Psychiatry’s dangers. To David Oaks: As I said before; you salvaged the West Coast anti-psychiatry movement from the closed down Network Against Psychiatric Assault in 1985 and moved it to Oregon and created ” Dendron ” and Mind Freedom International ; thereby reviving the international anti-psychiatry network for the next 36 years. I, and I believe many others are very greatful for that. However, this statement bothered me. : Oaks: Our movement includes both people who support/use the current mental health system, and people who have survived trauma in that field. What can help bridge people who accept the system, with those who reject the system? In your experience, what can help us unite for human rights? Very unfortunately, a large percentage of psychiatric prisoners think psychiatry is wonderful and support the psychiatric assault against them. Those who know that the so-called treatment IS an assault may become survivors, ( if they live through it ) and may even become activists against psychiatry. But, for myself, I am a victim of Psychiatric Assault and a survivor and I have ZERO interest in ever uniting with people, even ex-prisoners, who are backers of psychiatry and consider themselves ” mental health consumers ” . And I know other victims like me feel the same. ” Mental health consumers ” are a convenient tool of the pharmaceutical, psychiatric, drug pushing industry. I can’t imagine why anyone would ever want to unite psychiatric survivors with psych. consumers. Smart survivors are completely opposed to consumers. I may not be the right man to do it; because I have so many problems caused by psychiatry; but someone needs to form a true anti-psychiatry group of survivors, truly united against the system of psychiatric prisons.
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You for all of your posts on this comment thread. I absolutely agree: Psychiatry is the greatest enemy of humanity. People everywhere should be warned and on guard to Psychiatry’s dangers.
To David Oaks:
As I said before; you salvaged the West Coast anti-psychiatry movement from the closed down Network Against Psychiatric Assault in 1985 and moved it to Oregon and created ” Dendron ” and Mind Freedom International ; thereby reviving the international anti-psychiatry network for the next 36 years. I, and I believe many others are very greatful for that. However, this statement bothered me. :
Oaks: Our movement includes both people who support/use the current mental health system, and people who have survived trauma in that field. What can help bridge people who accept the system, with those who reject the system? In your experience, what can help us unite for human rights?
Very unfortunately, a large percentage of psychiatric prisoners think psychiatry is wonderful and support the psychiatric assault against them. Those who know that the so-called treatment IS an assault may become survivors, ( if they live through it ) and may even become activists against psychiatry. But, for myself, I am a victim of Psychiatric Assault and a survivor and I have ZERO interest in ever uniting with people, even ex-prisoners, who are backers of psychiatry and consider themselves ” mental health consumers ” . And I know other victims like me feel the same. ” Mental health consumers ” are a convenient tool of the pharmaceutical, psychiatric, drug pushing industry. I can’t imagine why anyone would ever want to unite psychiatric survivors with psych. consumers. Smart survivors are completely opposed to consumers.
I may not be the right man to do it; because I have so many problems caused by psychiatry; but someone needs to form a true anti-psychiatry group of survivors, truly united against the system of psychiatric prisons.
To: Dr. Peter Gotzsche: I made an amazing discovery reading this latest Gotzsche installment. :
The pills that destroy your sex life are called happy pills
In the upside-down world of psychiatry, the pills that destroy your sex life are called happy pills. Half of the patients who had a normal sex life before they started on a depression pill will have their sex life disturbed or made impossible.4,116 The sexual disturbances can become permanent and when the patients find out that they will never again be able to have intercourse (e.g. because of impotence), some kill themselves.117,118
When I lectured for Australian child psychiatrists in 2015, one of them said he knew three teenagers taking depression pills who had attempted suicide because they couldn’t get an erection the first time they tried to have sex.
In my case, I was on the older drugs, ( phenothiazines ) and had only temporary, short term impotence. Impotence, in the form of erectile disfunction, has not been my problem for most of my life. I had different drug effects. But apparently the new psychiatric drugs, ( could they be the SSRI’s ? ) cause a far worse problem, as described in the excerpt I just copied above. If the new drugs can cause sexual disfunction in the form of impotence so bad that the man can never again be able to have intercourse; this effect is horrible beyond belief and constitutes cruel and unusual punishment in the extreem and it’s easy to see why these men frequently attempt suicide.
And this other section was very interesting too. :
It took quite a while before we learned that the Germanwings pilot who took a whole plane with him when he committed suicide in the Alps, and that the Belgian bus driver who killed many children by driving his bus into a wall, also in the Alps, were both on a depression pill.
These are 2 major mass murders; in which I doubt very much that the psychiatric drug pushers ( the real culprits ) were ever punished; since they practically never have been, in the history of these drugs. If the pilot and driver had lived; it would be absurd to prosecute them since they were either conned into taking the drug ( which millions are conned or defrauded into taking these drugs by drug company fraudulent
advertising ) or they were out and out forced on the drug. It’s just mind boggling what drug companies get away with nowadays.
Now we are in a new day and age where the drug companies next target is the whole human race; with Bill Gates blessings. But that’s another story altogether.
This is the part of the article I liked the best. :
The TIPS study: 12% of the patients died in just 10 years
In 2012, Wenche ten Velden Hegelstad and 16 colleagues published 10-year follow-up data for 281 patients with a first-episode psychosis (the TIPS study).86 Although their average age at entry into the study was only 29 years, 31 patients (12%) died in less than 10 years. However, the authors’ detailed article was about recovery and symptom scores.
” They took no interest in all these deaths, which appeared in a flowchart of patients lost to follow-up and were not commented upon anywhere in their paper. ”
That last sentence says everything about the kind of people we are dealing with here. : mass murdering psychiatrists with a reckless disregard for human life. ( Since they are fully aware of what their drugs do. ) It’s just too bad that the good doctor Peter Gotzsche has to grovel to the study authors with letter after letter to get answers about the cause of the deaths. If the Western Hemisphere had an even halfway decent legal system that actually worked for the people; legal force could make the doctors talk.
Dear Someone Else:
Thank you for responding to my first post. I would like to say that even though the Federal Reserve Bank System was created in in 1913; from that year till the end of the 20th century the USA had the richest most powerful economy on Earth and our economy only took a nose dive in the 21st century. The existence of the Federal Reserve doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the John D. Rockefeller Jr. takeover of the whole medical establishment in 1913. Not only was the whole psychiatric mental health system a total fraud to this day but over 90% of all pharmaceutical drugs are worthless junk. I do believe a small percentage of pharma drugs are needed for vital hospital operations; but the Rockefeller system is pretty bad over all.
In reference to this statement of yours:
That would amount to psychiatric murders of approximately 400,000,000 people over the past 50 years, which is close to your unnamed source of “one half billion people, worldwide, are psychiatric victims.”
The unnamed source is me but I arrived at my estimate because an article in the New England Journal of Medicine in the mid seventies said that phenothiazines were used on over 250 million people in the first 20 years of use. Since we are 66 years downline from the beginning of phenothiazines and the number of drugs has jumped from 44 in 1966 to 174 in 2004; I think my estimate of 1/2 billion people might be an underestimate.
If you don’t believe that John D. Rockefeller took over the whole healthcare system in 1913; just look at Part 3 of this report. ( You can skip over the first 2 parts because they are only about the oil industry takeover. )
The fact is that the Rockefeller drug companies today are so powerful that they literally own the whole main stream media, the presidents, the Congress, the FDA, the USDA, our regulatory agencies, and you name it. I got out of the state mental hospital system for the first time in 1965 and even then no lawyer I went to was willing to sue them. The first lawyer told me that the State of Connecticut has to give permission for a victim to sue a State Mental Hospital which I did find and still find totally absurd. The Mental Health Professional Psychiatric Dope Pushers were shielded from all lawsuits then, 55 years ago and still are today; just like the vaccine pushers.
As far as Soviet Psychiatry goes; I remember a front page article in the San Francisco Chronicle where a Soviet dissident described ” The Horror of the Madhouse ” in 1977 at the time of the Helsinki Accords. Our ridiculous Cold War media said Leonid Plyusch was put on ” Soviet torture drugs ” : Triftazine and Haldol. When I learned that Triftazine was the Soviet word for Stelazine. I got a kick out of that. Haldol is manufactured right here in Fort Washington, Pennsylvania and Stelazine in Philadelphia, Penn.. So our Main Stream media was calling them torture drugs when used on Soviets; but calling them ” theraputic medications when used on United States Citizens. THE VERY SAME DRUGS !!! This is the kind of crap we are up against with our corrupt media in the USA. But getting to your question; Rockefeller Pharmaceutical drugs, including Psychiatric Drugs were exported all over the World; even if Rockefeller had no direct influence on the Soviet Union.
I know my 2 posts to you probably sound depressing but you ask us in the year 2020 to start a powerful movement as the only way to take down Psychiatry. I have been an activist with writings and speeches for 55 years against Psychiatry and I believe our anti-psychiatry movement has barely made a dent in the Psychiatric Empire. It’s been a long hard battle to make any progress in the war against Psychiatry.
I also remember this part of your post :
PubMed database of biomedical literature and enter search terms for, say, “antidepressants suicidality” or “olanzapine risperidone side effects maintenance therapy” (as I did while trying to figure out what the hell they were doing to my daughter)
The 2 drugs you mentioned are new generation major tranquilizers. All psychiatric drugs cause permanent brain damage. These 2 are a major cause of diabetes and olanzapine ( Zyprexa ) was the drug that led to a 1.4 billion dollar lawsuit against Eli Lilly drug company. For the best description of Eli Lilly; see the video made by John Rengen Virapen in Germany around 10 years ago.
Yulia: You sure are right about one thing. We can never wish away the Psychiatric System; it’s been around for a couple hundred years. You talk about the pro-psychiatric side being so successful in getting their message out. That’s because they have endless billions of dollars on their side and they spend a lot of it on propaganda in the Main Stream Media; which they own. Meanwhile the People in their anti-psychiatry groups, ( what few still exist ) have next to nothing for funds. And we have to fight drug company Trolls every step of the way just to get our message out.
But I have to disagree with one statement of yours. :
The circumstances have never been more favorable than right now, when the race to the Covid vaccine created an unprecedented public interest in clinical trials, regulatory processes, and the workings of the pharmaceutical industry. The media have been never more willing to give voice to medical professionals.
The Covid Plandemic is setting us back more than ever because lockdowns and masks keep us more divided than ever. And the coming vaccines are a vicious depopulation tool, ( if you have ever read United Nations Agenda 21 ). If the World had only listened to Dr. Paul Ehrlich ( author ” The Population Bomb ” ) 52 years ago; we wouldn’t even be in this mess right now. Instead, America chose to throw it all away.
The reason Psychiatry is so powerful is because all of healthcare was taken over by John D. Rockefeller Jr. in 1913 with the Flexner Report. He bought up all medical colleges and had doctors trained to push only Rockefeller drugs in their practice. This was all to make money for the Rockefellers. But the Supreme question to ask is ” Where the Hell was our government for the past 107 years ? ” The government of the USA : local, state, and federal was derelict of duty this whole time !!! How in the heck does this happen. I still don’t know the answer.
Another reason people are so ineffective in the fight against Psychiatry is that according to a cchr video I saw; there are 100 million victims of Psychiatry, World wide. After checking another source; I believe the closer estimate is more like one half billion people, worldwide, are psychiatric victims. Too many people are too damaged to fight. Psychiatry is the greatest crime in world history.
I saw your post about loathing the endless isolation from the lockdown. I don’t like it either. I’m sorry you want Covid 19 to end your life. I would miss you. I rate you among the top 5 commenters on MIA. I love your anti-psychiatry stance and I am amazed that you are so articulate after all that the Psychiatric Drug Pushers have done to you.
And to Oldhead, L E Cox, and Bradford :
hank You very much for de-bunking the pro-vaccination propaganda on this site. It’s strange that those who promote this viewpoint don’t even seem to know that the same corrupt drug companies, with a very long and very bad track record of producing very nasty Psychiatric Drugs; also make Vaccines ! Duh ? Is 66 years a long enough track record ?
Also, Natural News.com and Vaccine Impact News.com have a lot of info on vaccine dangers. If my sources are not good enough; how about the PDR ( Physicians Desk Reference ) having a lot of info. on vaccine dangers. Is the PDR scientific enough for the Pro-Vaxxers ???
Sorry to hear about your brother. One good person who can help is Dr. Rima Laibow, a naturopathic doctor who is also a psychiatrist who has never used psychiatric drugs on a patient in 50 years of her career ! Although one on one treatment would probably be expensive; it’s free to see her website: ” Dr. Rima Truth Reports ” has a lot of useful information on all of the harmful agents of the drug companies: drugs, vaccines, genetically engineered food, etc. .
To oldhead: Yes, I was talking about ” psychiatric drug-induced disability “. The term “mental illness” is frequently slapped on people all the time with no medical or scientific basis. So just because I believe that mental illness is real doesn’t mean that I believe putting the label on people with no basis is O.K. It’s not. When Dr. Thomas Szaz wrote the book : ” Law, Liberty, and Psychiatry ” in 1963; he wrote that real mental illness occurs when a person has Organic Brain Damage; but that is a very rare thing. But if we fast forward to today; we now have 100 million victims of Psychiatric Assault, Worldwide, according to CCHR ( a group formed by Szaz and Scientology ) and therefore I say we have a great deal of real mental illness but for the vast majority of those 100 million; it is all psychiatric drug induced mental illness. This is THE great crime of the 20th and 21st centuries.
Many of us will disagree with some of David Oaks anti-psychiatry strategies; and in these comments, they already have. But I want to give credit to what David Oaks has done. In 1987 the Network Against Psychiatric Assault in Berkeley, California had died and Madness Network News was a dying newspaper in its last year of life. David Oaks took Madness Network News’s information to Eugene, Oregon and created a new newspaper: ” Dendron ” . After a few years, Dendron became Mind Freedom International, a World Wide, anti-psychiatry, e-mail newsletter; so that the International Anti-Psychiatry Network, once only a paper list of A.P. organizations in Madness Network News, now became a list available on the Internet to the whole World. And Mind Freedom International still exists to this day, 33 years later, thanks to David Oaks and others. I am also very glad to hear that David found a new director for M.F.I. , psych. survivor Ron Bassman of Colorado. I am very sorry about your accident in 2012, David. I am glad to see that M.F.I. has a new future; although the USA is now in very dire straights.
I also liked this comment:
Nonetheless “survivors” are not “mad” and we should not identify that way, or as any sort of “special” group. (Though we should be angry!) Nor are we “disabled.” As more and more survivors are concluding, he only movement which truly addresses the needs and issues of survivors is the ANTI-PSYCHIATRY ABOLITIONIST movement.
First I would like to correct one part: ANTI-PSYCHIATRY ABOLITIONIST movement is actually a double negative. I think you mean the ABOLITIONISTS OF PSYCHIATRY MOVEMENT. Then, when you say we are not disabled; I wish that were true. If any of us could ever come out of a locked psychiatric prison and be perfectly free of ALL disability: physical or mental in any way, shape, or form; then what could we ever complain about; except lost time ? THE DISABILITY IS REAL. Yes, it’s hard to face; but we have to try to repair the damage and then move on. Of course we will never be all the way repaired; but the disability label shouldn’t bother us; because we, ex-prisoners of the World’s psychiatric prisons, are not to blame. We never had a choice. The responsibility for disability is 100% upon the Psychiatric Dope Pushers.
When David Oaks asks, ” What is the path to this ” abolition ” ? I’m reminded of Charlton Heston’s statement in ” The Ten Commandments ” . ” It would take more than a man to free these people. It would take a God. But if I could; I would. ” I say it is no small task; but abolition is what we should fight for.
In response to this section of David’s article:
Unfortunately, I have even seen a leader of a disability Independent Living Center falsely say, repeatedly, that MindFreedom pushes people to quit psychiatric drugs. Wrong. In fact, there are many MFI members who willingly choose to take prescribed psychiatric drugs, and they have told me they feel totally comfortable and accepted.
I liked ” anomie’s ” comment. :
This is particularly misleading because the science of these drugs and the outcome data don’t support this narrative. While a minority of individual accounts may report benefits, the overall statistics show massive amounts of disability and even death with these drugs. This is similar to people stating that not everyone gets cancer from cigarettes, therefore we shouldn’t advocate against smoking.
And my response is that we in this abolitionist movement, should be proud to pressure, or rather encourage, people to go off their psychiatric drugs. Of course, psych. drug victims need support too, to come off drugs.
David made this comment.:
A while back, someone lamented that we did not seem to be accomplishing much. I recalled an individual who was spared forced shock because our movement swung into action. Certainly for that single individual, our movement helped so much.
And I want to add that I do believe that in the last half century; the anti-psychiatry movement hasn’t accomplished nearly what it should have. But David Oak’s Mind Freedom Shield program freed some people who were in very great danger from the Psychiatric System. And I say that what we get out of the Movement totally depends upon the energy we put into the Movement.
Lastly, I say that I am very happy to see all these anti-psychiatry activists on this site. But, I have wanted for years to see a greater presence of all ex-prisoner anti-psych. groups on the Internet. But, alas the whole movement has fallen on hard times. Drug company Trolls are all over the Internet; trying to destroy us. And now the new Plandemic ( Search for ” Event 201 featuring Johns Hopkins School of Public Health ? ” ) followed by the real Outbreak threatens our whole World. I just hope our movement can survive.
Roger Fuller , member of the Network Against Psychiatric Assault from
1978 to 1984
Hip, hip, hooray for ” Pacific Dawn ” . Best comment all week !
In the first sentence of this article:
A new report from the United Nations Special Rapporteur, Dainius Pūras, emphasizes that structural conditions such as poverty, discrimination, and violence are the root causes of mental distress and suffering.
I completely disagree with this statement. While poverty, discrimination, and violence are undesirable situations; they rarely make one mentally ill. The so-called ” mental health system ” with its massive dope pushing of highly toxic Psychiatric Drugs on millions of people worldwide, is the real cause of mental illness, period. This should be an easy concept to understand. It has taken a very long time for people to understand it. Of course, Mainstream Media ( Lamestream Media ) , primarily financed by drug companies, keeps putting out disinformation about ” mental health ” and blocking the Truth, every chance it gets. ( Take note KateL ! )
The Special Rapporteur doctor also talks about ” Survivor-User led initiatives “. He should know that most people who recognize that they are Survivors of the so-called ” mental health system ” would not want to have anything to do with people who consider themselves ” Users ” or ” Consumers ” or even Lovers of the ” mental health system ” . People like that would be completely repulsive to a real Survivor.
Good riddance to this Congressman, but we’re still left with Murphy’s new law : the worst ” mental health ” law in US history. The anti-abortion laws and pro- ” mental health ” laws should both be trashed.