Thursday, August 22, 2019

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  • Once people finally see the con which psychotherapy always is, then they can move into the realm of legal and political action. Just look at the new Child Victims Act in NY, 500 lawsuits already.

    And in British Columbia those who have survived a ~dysfunctional family~ to a lawyer, to make sure that they are not disinherited, not a therapist or a recovery group.

    And then Civil Law countries, it is not even necessary to have a lawyer.

  • R.I. attorney general has interviewed more than 30 witnesses in Wyatt Detention Facility probe
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/rhode-island/2019/08/21/attorney-general-has-interviewed-more-than-witnesses-wyatt-detention-center-probe/ixmIc0vQXw06b463g7iu6M/story.html

    https://www.abc6.com/story/40945287/ri-attorney-generals-office-to-give-an-update-on-wyatt-incident-investigation

    What is the full history of these detention centers? When where they built and for what stated purpose? And then, how have they been used since?

    Seems like it is probably a Republican Spoils System.

  • Tina, I agree with what you have said above.

    We get very few threads speaking from a legal perspective, instead from a therapy – recovery perspective.

    Over 500 Lawsuits Already Filed Days After Child Victims Act in New York Goes into Effect
    https://www.democracynow.org/2019/8/21/child_victims_act_biaggi_niou#transcript

    My greatest dream is to live to see the day when the survivors of childhood abuses are sent to lawyers and political activists so that their public honor might be restored, instead of to therapists and to recovery and salvation programs where there are only further forms of abuse.

    Doors were opened with R. D. Laing, and with D. G. Cooper, and with Alice Miller, but none of these were actually able to walk through these doors themselves.

  • Well, depression and suicide attempts increase when someone is using alcohol and street drugs too.

    But targeting vulnerable groups for bogus medical practice falls within the Nuremburg Precedents. So those giving out the drugs should be getting prosecuted in the international court. And it is generally understood that it is wrong to even use the research data from the people who give out these drugs.

    We should be hearing from things being done by attorneys to prosecute perpetrators, and to seize reparations for survivors, not articles about bull shit medical practices.

  • Don’t want to support the idea of ~mental health~, don’t want to ever turn the experience of injustice into a self-improvement project.

    The alternative to the ~mental health~ industry is simply the middle-finger.

  • Look, I will concede that this PTMF is a kind of attempt at anti-psychiatry, similar to David G. Cooper.

    And he did still seem to have an anti-consulting office, do anti-sessions, and collect anti-fees.

    And it does sound similar to David Smail. His web site and online book are being rebuilt right now.

    Okay, but this stuff is all coming from way back. And PTMF does sound more like Philosophical Counseling, or Life Coaching.

    But we don’t need any alternative to DSM. All we need is the middle finger.

    Right now in the US we have a burgeoning underclass. For the most part it has been created by Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, and by the Autism and Neurodiversity industry. It plays into the needs of the middle-class family too, the need to find ways to medically abuse children.

    So you can write a book about power, and teach classes about power. No objection to that. But the problem arises when it becomes psychotherapy, taking advantage of naïve people who will confess their affairs to a therapist sitting in the arm chair across the room from them. That therapist is not a comrade, not in anyway. They are a state licensed thought enforcer.

    We need people to reject drugs, psychotherapy, and recovery programs. Otherwise we will continue to make no progress.

  • As NeoLiberal Capitalism reaches its natural crisis, we have an increasing portion of the population just shut out.

    This is what the Mental Health / Psychotherapy / and Recovery segments work to hide, by legitimating that this segment of the population is defective. It all serves to legitmate a huge underclass.

  • As I am understanding, one of the main trains of thought from the later Foucault, is that the state used to have to brandish the threat of execution in order to control people. But now, very rarely does anyone do anything very serious. So the state does not have to brandish the power of execution any more. All it has to do is withhold the permission to die.

    I mean, isn’t this what psychotherapy is really about, getting you to believe that there are no foes to vanquish, there is no issue of public honor to be regained, and just to go on living in the very small social space which the abusers have left? And so isn’t it right to say that it is not uncommon for psychotherapy to lead to suicide? We have the case of Matthew Warren, 27yo, the youngest son of Saddle Back Church founders Rick and Kay Warren. Kay was hysterical because a “psychiatrist abandoned Matthew” in the hospital. And Rick saying that Matthew had had “The best psychiatrists, the best psychotherapists, and the best prayer warriors in the world.”

    I listen to that, and I don’t think very many could have survived it.

  • https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Truck-Drives-Through-Protesters-Outside-Rhode-Island-Detention-Facility-544384541.html

    These guards in the detention centers, you know what they must be doing. I am sure that they’ve got other uniforms folded up and stashed away, like at the bottoms of their lockers. When these internment centers are liberated, these guards will already be long gone. If anyone tries to stop them, they’ll just say that they work at Walmart or Burger King, something like that.

  • Mental illness is just an idea invented to delegitimate a portion of the population.

    After Toxic Psychiatry 1991, Peter Breggin wrote Beyond conflict : from self-help and psychotherapy to peacemaking 1992. Drawing from Foucault he explains that the original reason which psychiatry was invented was to come up with ways of arresting homeless men who were panhandling but not otherwise breaking any law.

    Psychiatry and Psychotherpy are just ways of getting inside someone’s head and then delegitimizing them.

    And the reason this in in hyperdrive today is simply because of the dictates of neo-liberal capitalism.

    So I say we must eradicate the entire mental health system, and that we must use whatever means are necessary in order to do this.

  • But it is still coming out of a ~mental health~ or ~therapy~ context. And it assumes that people will be discussing their affairs.

    Where as for example, if the party went to an attorney, the first thing the attorney would say is “Stop Talking About It”.

    And it is being called a “Conceptual Alternative to DSM.”

    Well the conceptual alternative to DSM is a lawyer to bring the matters into civil court.

  • Yes, Sera, I do think we need to look at the whole thing as oppression. But it is not the mental health system in isolation. It is Capitalism and the Middle-Class Family, and then being backed up by the mental health system.

    And by oppression I mean colonial oppression. And that only works when people internalize and accept the oppression.

    So we need to look closely at how people are collaborating with the oppressors.

  • Phoebe, to restore the social and civil standing of survivors, what is most important are victories, holding perpetrators accountable.

    Activists in this arena, notably one Shari Karney, had long ago figured out that what it comes down to are civil and criminal statutes of limitations.

    Excellent Movie:
    https://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Trust-Shari-Karney-Story/dp/B00005R5EQ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Melissa+Gilbert+shattered+trust&qid=1565997517&s=movies-tv&sr=1-1

    And SOL’s tracked state by state:
    http://sol-reform.com/

    And then recent NY State SOL reform just going into effect, interesting discussion:
    https://www.democracynow.org/2019/8/15/new_york_child_victims_act#transcript

    Speaking from my own vantage point, as good as this all is, it is still mostly hitting institutions, like the Roman Catholic Church.

    What it still very rarely impacts is the Middle-Class Family. For one thing, that is not really such a deep pocket. Maybe there are still some legal hurdles, not sure. But I think mostly it is just that our society is not ready to face it yet.

    I know that locally when they do jury selection for child molestation cases, and they survey prospective jurors, what they get is totally different from what experts say is true. Its like no one will publicly talk about being molested. It does not exist anywhere in their extended families, and for 80 prospective jurors.

    And so this public silence, it does discourage other survivors from coming forward, and it makes it harder to get convictions.

    In the Lyle and Erik Menendez trial interviewed jurors said that “No father would do that to his sons”.

    But now, Lyle and Erik having been in prison for 30 years, we have a letter which Erik wrote a year before the killings, which documents what was happening and agrees with what they had said in court.

    If tried today, it is unlikely they would get murder 1, probably just manslaughter.

    Locally, child sexual molestation cases have a much much higher rate of hung juries, compared with other types of prosecutions. There are specialist defense attorneys who have devoted their lives to making it as difficult as possible to enforce any child protection laws. They have studied family conflict and they have learned how to turn it back onto the one who was molested. And they pander to anti-government and anti-feminist sentiments in the jury pool.

    And then since our society is in such denial, many of the jurors arrive at the court house with their own set view. The evidence will not sway them.

    I know that this will change.

    But here, talking about Psychiatric Reforms, New Diagnostic Manuals, Psychotherapy Reforms, and Recovery Programs, is all pointless. It leads us in the wrong direction, because none of it will ever restore the public social and civil standing of survivors.

    What we should be talking about are the legalities, the strategic law suits and the pending legislation, and the current high water marks.

    Here, explains how in the 1970’s, Feminism brought incest to the surface. But in the 1980’s that got converted into Recovery and Therapy, so it was thus politically neutralized.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rocking-Cradle-Sexual-Politics-Happened/dp/0201624710

    There have yet to be that many victories over the Middle-Class Family, but here was one:
    http://www.vachss.com/guest_dispatches/excerpt_battle_11.html

  • “SEN. ALESSANDRA BIAGGI: I mean, that fact alone is just remarkable and shows you what is possible when you actually do fight for the things that you know are right, and what the law can do. And so, this law is something I campaigned on. It’s something that is personal to me. I am a child sexual abuse survivor. I spoke very briefly about it in my campaign video, but I had not really spoken out as publicly as I did when I stood up on the floor of the New York state Senate in support of the bill.

    One of the most important reasons why I spoke up about it is because silence and shame are surrounded by abuse. And the trauma that it inflicts upon individuals, and the loneliness and the darkness that can really encapture your entire being if you stay silent, was something that I was done with. I am 33 years old today. I was 31 years old when I spoke out against what had happened to me. And I really did think I was going to go to my grave with this inside of me. And something happened in my life that really just propelled me to speak about it. From that point forward, I really have not only felt liberated, but felt like one of the things I could do was use my voice so that other people who had experienced this could also understand that they, too, could speak out against it, if they so choose.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2019/8/15/new_york_child_victims_act#transcript

    I think people are being misled if they talk about this all as “memories”. Heard something like that from Rep Elijah Cummings recently.

    Rather it should be understood as social and civil standing.

    If you say it is about memories, then all it would take is to expunge those memories then that person should be able to take their place as a cog in a NeoLiberal Capitalist System. And in some quarters you do hear it talked about like this.

    It is a person’s entire biography which makes up their social and civil standing, their public honor. Freud and his successors are just wrong in how they have approached cognition.

    And a lawsuit is an excellent way to restore social and civil standing. We should be working to open the envelop for survivor lawsuits, not talking about ~therapy~, ~healing~, ~recovery~, or ~radical neurodiversity.

  • What the PTMF people say,

    “We do need ways of grouping different kinds of experiences together so that we can think about the best way forward and all the rest of it, but the diagnostic system doesn’t do that. We are claiming that we’ve come up with something that does that better.”

    It’s not a genetic, medical, or brain chemicals approach anymore. Its a moral and character defect approach.

    It is true that what has been called ~mental illness~ is really just about ways power is being wielded. And being shown that gives one a chance to resist the ~mental illness~ interpretation.

    But this PTMF is yet different again, turned back around. It’s a new manual, but the one wielding it is still the therapist. And your therapist is not going to venture outside of their office to solve your problems.

    If you hired an attorney, they would do their best to solve your problems. By mediation, court orders, or a lawsuit, they would do their best to force other parties to yield so that you could win.

    But the therapist, no way. You are the one who comes to their office, and so you are the one they try to influence. So no matter what they pick out of this new PTMF manual for you, it is still you’re problem. You are the one who has not learned how to solve it, you are the party whom the label is being recorded as attached to.

    The analysis of power which could have been used to dismantle the ~mental health~ system, is now being used to turn it into a ~moral health and hygiene system~.

  • And this is also why I don’t like the trafficking in labels, even if the originators say they are harmless. I mean perpetuating the labeling by supplementing DSM with this new PTMF manual.

    And I mean furthering the Autism Hoax by calling it Neurodiverstiy, Radical Neurodiversity, and Neurodivergence.

    There is no reason to be promoting these labels, and most of all not to be applying them to minor children who are still under the care of their parents. That promotes Munchausen’s Syndrome By Proxy, now called just Medical Child Abuse. Children are really not well situated to be able to stand up to their parents.

  • Shreya, why would you assume that a therapist could be of benefit?

    This idea of ~healing~ and ~recovery~ I see as being just wrong. The issue is the trashed social and civil standing which a survivor will be living under. And this in turn makes us vulnerable to more abuses.

    So then the remedy is never ~healing~ and ~recovery~, it is punishing perpetrators and seizing reparations, as that is one of the best ways of restoring your social and civil standing, your public honor.

    We survivors, one of the reasons that we do not have social and civil standing is that when people abuse us, nothing happens to them. So then people will assume that we must have needed such abuse ( middle-class family, mental health, psychotherapy, autism industry, recovery programs, salvation religion ).

  • “I just meant that “addressing” these things requires the overthrow of capitalism, and cannot be accomplished in lieu of this.”

    That is the truth. And Capitalism only continues because it has the Middle-Class Family to psychically scar and maim children in order to make them submit to the completely bogus Self-Reliance Ethic.

  • Name your situation, there are always better ways to respond than ~mental health~ ~drugs~ ~psychotherapy~ or ~recovery programs~.

    And you don’t discuss emotional hardships with people who are not proven political comrades. No reason to do so. It would amount to just asking for problems.

  • “The essence of a political struggle into which mental healthcare is embedded shouldn’t be overlooked in any reform, however radical it may be, where a common ethic, or morality, or notion of humanism is at the forefront of our aims and actions — this, I completely agree with you, should always be what necessitates change. And I agree that a greater emphasis on the social nature of mental suffering would surely diminish much unnecessary, perhaps even harmful treatment.”

    I say we should not do anything which in anyway legitimates ~mental health~ ~psychotherapy~ or ~recovery~

    People need to be disabused of the idea that there ever has been anything like ~mental illness~ or that ~psychotherapy~ or ~recovery programs~ have ever been a good way to deal with issues they encounter.

  • Icjohnstone, maybe the ideas behind the PTMF are like those of David Smail. But he was talking about how power is used in order to help people see through the fallacy of ~mental illness~.

    This PTMF turns it around. Making up a new system for classifying people.

    And your therapist is not going to get up out of their chair, ride down in the elevator, and solve problems for you. An attorney would try their best to being other parties into line. But a psychotherapist, no. So at the end of the day, it is still the client who has a ~problem~. Not described in DSM terms anymore, but in these new PTMF terms, so it still undermines their public honor. And loss of public honor, as I see it, is always going to have been the problem in the first place.

    If we want to take down the Mental Health – Psychotherapy – Recovery System, then we must not ever cooperate with it in any way.

  • lcjohnstone, why to you think anyone would consent to having this new manual used on them?

    Could it be because the mental health system has already gotten power over them?

    And then what of the trashing of this persons biography, their social and civil standing? Don’t you think this was a person once with ambitions?

    If the mental health system has impacted them, then they no longer have a legitimated biography. This will hurt them in the development of a career and with intimate relationships. ~Healing~, ~Recovery~, and ~Therapy~ do not make for a biography.

    This changes though when survivors start organizing and fighting back.

  • Sera, the mental health / autism system exists, as most people and most of us here have at some time cooperated with it and accepted its rationalizations.

    So you see people believing that psychotherapy gives them emotional support, even though the therapist will never be a comrade, and that they definitely have their own ideas about what is wrong with the client.

    And we have people who have been labeled as ~autistic~ making up this idea of ~neurodiversity~ rather than just saying FU.

    And we have people promoting the idea that chemicals are the way of dealing with emotions, just like the mental health system does.

    Nothing will ever change until we can unify on some positions and start fighting back.

    People have continuing problems because their social and civil standing have been trashed. The only remedy for that is imposing penalties for perpetrators and gaining redress for survivors.

    I say that we have to look at this whole thing as a case of colonial oppression, and the central component of that is always trashing the social and civil standing of the colonized, and most of the colonized collaborate with this.

  • New York’s Child Victims Act
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/14/new-york-child-victims-act-lawsuits/2007257001/

    New York court system sets aside 45 judges to deal solely with new child sex abuse lawsuits
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/14/us/new-york-child-victims-law/index.html

    Child Victims Act takes effect with many lawsuits targeting Catholic Church
    https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/child-victims-act-takes-effect-with-many-lawsuits-targeting-catholic-church/

    Adult Victims Of Childhood Sex Abuse In New York Can Sue Alleged Abusers
    https://www.npr.org/2019/08/14/750881986/adult-victims-of-childhood-sex-abuse-in-new-york-can-sue-alleged-abusers

    Governor Cuomo Signs The Child Victims Act
    https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-signs-child-victims-act

    New York Child Victims Act Lawyers
    https://www.unionlawfirm.com/practice-areas/child-victims-act/

    https://www.sexabusesurvivorlawfirm.com/

    https://www.sexabusesurvivorlawfirm.com/childhood-sexual-abuse/

    SOL-Reform
    http://sol-reform.com/

    As good as this new change in NY is, most of the time the impact is against institutions. The majority of child sexual abuse is still perpetrated by biological parents, and this is still the least likely sort of abuse to carry penalties for the perpetrators.

    Some of it may be because of the lack of a deep pocket. But I still think it is just because ours is still a society of denial, and the anachronistic inheritance laws have got to be a part of this.

  • Trump and Ken Cuccinelli on changing our immigration rules, that is hate speech against the poor and against welfare recipients. Our economic system is failing, and all they want to talk about is our very small welfare system.

    Very few workers now feel that they have the job security to even attempt to unionize. Even existing unions often have to accept contracts expiring, because they don’t feel that they have to political clout to prevail in a conflict.

    Its globalization, but it is also just the continuing advance of agricultural, industrial, and information technology. We already produce more than we need of all goods and services.

    The cutting of progressive taxation, the giving away of tax breaks, the undermining of unionization and of worker and consumer safety provisions, all Rick Perry’s “Red State” tactics, do not do anything to increase the net size of the economy, or the number of jobs.

    Keynesianism worked well for 40 years, but it was also getting helped along by wars. Beyond a point though, the classic Keynesian goal of full employment does stop making sense.

    Welfare is clearly the next step, and that does help greatly. But it also creates a problem, in that the entire nation’s politics comes to revolve around denigrating the poor, as well as minorities and immigrants.

    As it is now, we are depending on concepts like ~mental illness~ and ~autism~ to pull lots of people out of the labor force. This is the only way that the Work Ethic continues to be upheld.

    At this point the US and the other industrialized nations really have no choice but to go to a Universal Basic Income system. Not needs tested, and providing everyone with a livable income. Most of the money simply comes from re-circulation. It is only when money gets into the hands of rich people that it stops recirculating, being used to inflate the stock and real estate markets.

  • The danger of psychosis is that you could fall prey to the ~mental health~ system.

    At least as I see it, there usually will be no other significant danger. Can’t be afraid of feeling our feelings. Need to feel our feelings on a daily and on a continual basis. This is what I do. I know that any unnecessary repression of feelings only causes problems later on.

  • ^^^^^^ We didn’t have enough feminism, it did not go far enough, and it could not sustain itself in the face of reactionary political, economic, commercial, and religious forces, and so we have seen the rise of completely reactionary ways of dealing with injustice: psychotherapy, recovery, and salvation religion.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00309SD0M/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i0

    https://www.amazon.com/Rocking-Cradle-Sexual-Politics-Happened/dp/0201624710/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=louise+armstrong+rocking+the+cradle&qid=1565739735&s=digital-text&sr=8-1

    https://www.amazon.com/Anti-Social-Family-Radical-Thinkers/dp/1781687595/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=anti-social+family&qid=1565739806&s=gateway&sr=8-1

  • Eugenics was always a pseudo science, just like Social Darwinism.

    Now we have the pseudo sciences of ~mental illness~ and of ~autism~. These stigmatize the lives of vast numbers of people, and they expose the survivors to other types of medical abuses and con artistry.

    What it comes down to is that we no longer have the ability to create living wage jobs for all of these people. Even with two world wars, a cold war, a war on drugs, a war on terrorism, and seemingly now a war on immigrants, we still produce more of all goods and services than we need.

    It actually costs less to just keep them pacified somehow. And so I do fear for where this could lead.

  • Very few workers now feel that they have the job security to even attempt to unionize. Even existing unions often have to accept contracts expiring, because they don’t feel that they have to political clout to prevail in a conflict.

    Its globalization, but it is also just the continuing advance of agricultural, industrial, and information technology. We already produce more than we need of all goods and services.

    The cutting of progressive taxation, the giving away of tax breaks, the undermining of unionization and of worker and consumer safety provisions, all Rick Perry’s “Red State” tactics, do not do anything to increase the net size of the economy, or the number of jobs.

    Keynesianism worked well for 40 years, but it was also getting helped along by wars. Beyond a point though, the classic Keynesian goal of full employment does stop making sense.

    Welfare is clearly the next step, and that does help greatly. But it also creates a problem, in that the entire nation’s politics comes to revolve around denigrating the poor, as well as minorities and immigrants.

    As it is now, we are depending on concepts like ~mental illness~ and ~autism~ to pull lots of people out of the labor force. This is the only way that the Work Ethic continues to be upheld.

    At this point the US and the other industrialized nations really have no choice but to go to a Universal Basic Income system. Not needs tested, and providing everyone with a livable income. Most of the money simply comes from re-circulation. It is only when money gets into the hands of rich people that it stops recirculating, being used to inflate the stock and real estate markets.

  • Fiachra, the first one of these world wide recessions was in the 1870’s, brought on by over production and over consumption of steel, in the UK.

    It resulted in large scale unemployment. What that means is that our industrial capacity serves only very soft needs, it is in surplus.

    That surplus then either has to get used up in war, or there will be a recession.

    In the Great Depression, the auto industry shut down, and that took down all of its suppliers, and that alone brought on 25% unemployment.

    Think about it, how long does an automobile last?

    It lasts as long as you want to make it last. It was during the Great Depression that the after market spare parts industry developed.

    So when you have a large portion of our industrial capacity pitched at serving very soft needs, then you have this huge potential for instability built right in.

    Surpluses got eaten up in two world wars, plus a Cold War, a War on Drugs, and now a War on T*rr*r*sm, and a Wall and Internment Camps to stop refuges.

    But still, as technology continues to advance, our labor surplus continues to increase dramatically. If huge numbers of people did not have ~mental illness~ or ~autism~ then we would have to find living wage jobs for them. That is not easy to do when we already produce more than we need of everything.

    What had worked very well was Keynessianism, progressive taxation and spending. It expands the economy. Worked well for 40 years. Then some hostages were held in an embassy in Iran, and Christian Fundamentalists got mad at a Baptist Sunday School Teacher for trying to make Bob Jones University comply with the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and so a Hollywood Playboy Divorcee got elected.

    Since then its been gutting of progressive income tax, and so it has been boom and bust after boom and bust, while the economic position of normal people continues to deteriorate. We are going the route of most historic societies, dividing into the very rich and the very poor.

    Money obtained by cutting progressive taxation does not recirculate, it gets used to inflate the stock and real estate markets. Vast fortunes have been accumulated.

    Louisiana had been the only state which prohibited disinheritance, but in the 90’s they amended their constitution. And some states have altered their laws to be far more favorable to things they call “Dynasty Trusts”.

    But we are being told that it is immigrants who are causing us economic troubles. And we are being told that poor people are ~morally deficient~ if not also ~mentally ill~.

  • Welfare does not exist to provide for the needs of the poor, it exists to put the poor through ritual humiliations so that they will serve as a symbol of disgrace and disgust, to keep the entire work force docile.

    States have responded differently to the 1996 Clinton Gingrich Welfare Reform. AFDC no longer exists, replace by TANF. Some states use that to get people into the disability system, and I think usually it is ~mental disabilities~.

  • ^^^^^ Clarification of Above:

    Autism originates with the bogus pseudo science of the eugenics movement. It is closely related to the pseudo science of Social Darwinism.

    Hans Asperger signed to have thousands of children euthanized. Other doctors who did things like that were executed. But Asperger was able to hide his past Nazi associations.

    The concept is enjoying a renaissance today, in the service of Neo-Liberalism, and because of pedagogy manuals.

    Jayne Lytel, is a frightening woman. The hatred she and the husband feel for their second son Leo in intense:
    https://www.amazon.com/Act-Early-Against-Autism-Fighting/dp/039953394X

    We even have Autism being promoted on this forum in blog articles.

    Sami Timimi and his co-authors insist, “Autism does not exit”, and that there are no biological markers for it.

    https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Autism-Medicalising-Emotional-Competence/dp/0230545262

    https://www.amazon.com/Constructing-Autism-Unravelling-Understanding-Social/dp/0415321816/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=constructing+autism&qid=1565731459&s=books&sr=1-1

    Things use to be more simple. If medical personnel did something wrong, it was “malpractice”.

    If the parents were fooling doctors, we called it “Munchausen’s Syndrome By Proxy”. But the fact is that there are so many parents who want this, to find the locus of Original Sin in their child, that now we have whole specialty disciplines of doctors who promote medical child abuse. And mostly it will be with private practice doctors who cater to those who have an ability to pay.

  • To be middle-class does not mean to be middle-income. It means a way of thinking, really a reactionary identity scheme, something to hide behind. There really is no one in the U.S. who is not middle-class.

    The middle-class lives in Bad Faith, it does not admit that it has to create values and make choices. Rather, it looks for defensive externals, and the worst of this falls on children. So the middle-class uses the language of pedagogy manuals, ideas like “parenting.”

    And while poor people do get tougher scrutiny from social services agencies, the well off defines itself by the language of pedagogy manuals, and by hiring their own doctors. And these private practice doctors employ a business model which is based on parental exoneration. They play god, believing that they can mitigate the way the child is being used, even though they have zero authority over the parents. They don’t understand why we have mandatory reporting laws. So others in the business of child protection report that it is harder to protect the children of the well off.

    https://www.amazon.com/When-Child-Kills-Paul-Mones/dp/0671674218

    So since the middle-class family exists to exploit children, the lowest level of redress would then be to prevent disinheritance. Loss of control of your money, after you are dead. That is a very light penalty. But as it is, the US is the outlier, in most every other industrialized nation, you really cannot disinherit your child.

    So for example, in the US, the fallacious concept of “dysfunctional family” is seen as a reason for Psychotherapy, Recovery Programs, and Salvation Programs.

    Whereas in British Columbia, you don’t need any of that nonsense. You just call a lawyer.

    http://disinherited.com/dysfunctional-families/

    Trevor will send someone out to try and talk sense to the testators once. But usually they are already senile, and also suicidal. Senile-Suicidals, everything they say is defying you to kill them.

    So when talking sense fails, he files under the Wills Variation Act, originating from a 1938 Act of the British Parliament.

    And then in the Civil Law countries, the presumptive heir does not even need a lawyer. A will which attempts to disinherit is null and void, toilet paper.

    And then a forum of survivors should not have articles about whether or not psych drugs are harmful, or about advantages and disadvantages of forced treatment, or about substituting psychotherapy for psychiatry.

    It should have the latest news from the legal front, where are the high water marks, what are the strategic lawsuits of today?

    Here is one, it failed badly, but the Bar Association did watch closely:

    In New Jersey the law is somewhat more favorable. But the judge would not even let Helfand argue her case. And the father had long been quite inappropriate with his daughter.

    https://www.nj.com/opinion/2014/03/rachel_cannings_lawyer_why_she_sued_her_parents_opinion.html

    I don’t know how common this is, when parents have stayed married, are backing each other up, and are financially solvent, but I helped 3 girls put their father into our state penn for molesting them. And their entire Pentecostal church was standing with the parents, because most everyone in that church has at least one scapegoat child, and usually a scapegoat sibling too. And their Pastor always makes a reference to these situations in his sermons. I am sure that that church is saturated with familial child abuse. And this molestation case and its parties, are tied up with a patricide case from a decade ago, father who was abusing his 15yo son, who turned around and killed the father.

    The most important information which could be presented on this forum is legal and political information.

    In Louisiana they had had Civil Law provisions in their state constitution, but then in the 1990’s this too got changed.

    Autism is just a hoax invented by the eugenics movement. It continues to operate today because of the rise of Neo-Liberalism and because of pedagogy manuals. It serves to legitimate the abuse of children and adults.

  • Lucy Johnstone is quoted above “We do need ways of grouping different kinds of experiences together so that we can think about the best way forward and all the rest of it, but the diagnostic system doesn’t do that. We are claiming that we’ve come up with something that does that better. Equally, it’s true that in the current system, diagnosis is needed for some practical purposes, like access to welfare and benefits, and for the foreseeable future, probably will be. We want to claim that we found that there are more effective ways of doing that that don’t require you to subscribe to a label, which is actually not valid and is experienced by many people as very damaging.”

    Why on earth would anyone want a psychotherapist to be even knowing their affairs, let alone planning the “best way forward”. Diagnosis simply means that a survivor of abuses is being tarred as having something wrong with themselves. Where as the real problem was always the destroyed social and civil standing. Diagnosis, even of this PTMF sort, just further compounds this.

    And we must organize and fight for redress, including Universal Basic Income, which does not further tar survivors or require acceptance of a diagnosis.

  • Sera, I like your article, and I agree with the spirit of it.
    But the way I see it is that we are all survivors of systemic abuses, but we don’t stand together. So many survivors are part of the mental health system, and most survivors still practice denial.

    We’ve got the Survivors of the Middle-Class Family, Bad Faith, not living up to its own values, only exists to exploit children and use the language of pedagogy manuals, like “parenting”.

    We’ve got the Survivors of the Mental Health Fraud.

    We’ve got the Survivors of the Psychotherapy Con.

    We’ve got the Survivors of the Autism Hoax.

    We’ve got the Survivors of the Recovery Movement Sham

    All of these kinds of abuse are real. And the effect that they have is to make a survivor more neurotic and more likely to fall prey to one of the other abuses.

    But the real underlying problem is that denigration of our social and civil standing is getting turned into a problem with ourselves. And the reason this can happen is that we do not counter strike, we do not fight back, we do not punish perpetrators and seize reparations. So we can be abused, and nothing happens to the abusers. The whole thing is a racket, and it depends upon denial systems.

    So to be able to strike back, I am asking people to hold a line:

    1. No drugs
    2. No psychotherapy
    3. No recovery programs

    Without this line, I don’t see restoring our social and civil standing as possible. But with this line, yes I know that there are things we can do which will restore our social and civil standing.

  • “initiatives like crisis hotlines and anti-stigma campaigns focus on opening more portals into mental health services”

    Shit! But it is true. This is why I take exception to so many of the articles here, the are perpetuating a problem, while they say they are making an improvement.

    What do other people have on this surveillance, and there must be some other forum which deals with this.

  • If people can agree on some minimum standard for resistance, No Drugs, No Psychotherapy, No Recovery Programs, then we can stop debating about healing, therapy, and recovery, and instead we can start fighting for redress.

    Right now, we have no social or civil standing. Why?

    Its because when people abuse us, nothing happens to them.

  • How the awareness of injustice which Feminism brought us in the 1970’s, got turned into a Therapy and Recovery Project, in the 1980’s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIC4uKSFpL0

    And what Peter Breggin wrote in Toxic Psychiatry is, “People are depressed because they are leading depressing lives.” I don’t take this as a jab at those who are depressed, I take it as a recognition of the fact that people don’t see political activism as being available for them. They don’t see ways to change affairs. They are not finding Comrades, they are inundated with Commiserators.

    And where I am, local authorities keep most of the poor and homeless women drugged, because it makes it easier for cops and paramedics to deal with them.

  • Correction, Psychotherapy does absolutely nothing to redress the injustices which have shaped your life.

    And then, it’s main purpose seems to be the exoneration of perpetrators. Like this with Freud, still like this today.

    The people who fight for redress and make some progress are usually people like the Familial Molestation Survivor Shari Karney, and the Munchausen’s Survivor Julie Gregory. They quickly turned their backs on psychotherapy and walked away from it, because they saw that where it went, was not good.

  • This is a really interesting book:
    The Wiley handbook on violence in education : forms, factors, and preventions / edited by Harvey Shapiro

    https://www.amazon.com/Wiley-Handbook-Violence-Education-Preventions/dp/1118966678/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+Wiley+handbook+on+violence+in+education&qid=1565649149&s=books&sr=1-1

    It includes one chapter written by Ralph W. Larkin, about the 2014 UC Santa Barbara shooter Elliot Rodger. Rodger was the first spree killer who claimed this Incel Identity (Involuntary Celibate).

    And Ralph W. Larking has written earlier about the Columbine killers. That one shocked everyone because there were two of them, so it didn’t really fit the “Lone Nut” characterization.

    What Larkin says is that really this is coming from the National Rifle Association, the narrative of the lone armed male seeking retribution. And then that NRA doctrine is pretty much the official position of the Republican Party. And then this Men’s Rights / PUA / PUA-HATE / MG-TOW movement which Rodger was induced into is pretty much just misogyny, and it also links to the NRA rhetoric.

    And then here Katherine S. Newman
    Rampage: The Social Roots of School Shootings
    https://www.amazon.com/Rampage-Social-Roots-School-Shootings/dp/0465051049/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=karen+newman+rampage&qid=1565649660&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr0

    And here, Newman, most interesting:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtsO5K6tRBc

  • Usually so long as people have access to the court house and the ballot box, they won’t do anything extra legal.

    Now when the courts and the ballot box are shown to be rigged, like it was via 3/5’s and the proceeds from Slave Power, different story.

    https://www.famous-trials.com/johnbrown/614-browconstitution

    The number of revolutionary uprisings which have already occurred, even in my own lifetime is huge.

    We have a political and legal system which casts a huge number of people into an underclass.

    This will never be redressed so long as people conduct themselves recklessly. But get people to hold some line, and things will change.

    I am calling for No Drugs, No Psychotherapy, and No Recovery Programs.

  • Sorry that some of my earlier posts were unclear. Hitler and many of his supporters, and not just in Germany, talked about “Bolshevism” as a social hygiene menace, just like ~mental illness~ is talked about.

    I get hit with some of today’s online Right Rhetoric, and they talk about ~Socialism~ as though it is a social hygiene menace.

    And then just a few days ago, a Trump Supporter was talking with someone from El Salvador, about the importance of voting in America, “To make sure it stays like America and does not become like El Salvador”.

    This Trump Supporter fails to understand that in the US we did have an advantage politically because of strong governmental support for the development of a middle-class, in our electoral democracy, and in the availability of free and low cost land. This worked well up to the Civil War. And then in the 20th Century we had the New Deal and progressive income tax.

    In Latin America, most of these things were absent, and you had extreme colonial oppression, and a population divided into the very rich and the very poor.

    Voting the way this Trump Supporter wants, will further accelerate the process of doing that to the United States.

    But this Trump Supporter considers voting in a progressive way to be a social hygiene menace and to be that which must be wrong about Latin America.

  • “A lot of the time the so called “Mentally Ill” , are “Fairly Ordinary” people driven mad by antidepressants (prescribed to them, for life pressure reasons).”

    The reason they give people the ~antidepressants~ is to drive them mad.

    They need to sustain a huge underclass, otherwise we would have to find living wage jobs for all these people.

    So they need to turn people into basket cases.

  • What it is like is they have to protect themselves from the ~mental health~ and ~psychotherapy~ system. We all already live in a war zone. If we let them have a reason, we will be crushed.

    People have to allow time each day for feeling their feelings. The more they can promptly feel things when they happen, the better and the lower the risk of a crack up.

    We should have cards people can carry and lawyers always ready to respond.

  • Alex wrote, “But when a person heals from abuse, then they change whatever it was that attracted them to that abuser to begin with, and why they didn’t hear their intuition and pick up on the signs.”

    Alex, the abuse is built into the foundations of our society. It is not just this Recovery Movement idea that you or I are inclined to set up abusive relationships.

    As I know that is probably coming now from Richard Schwartz.

    The Mental Health and Psychotherapy enterprises are always trying to make survivors responsible for the difficulties they experience.

    We have to reject that and instead pursue this issues at a political level.

  • ^^^^^ That is how I see it. More than anything, the premises of psychotherapy are that it is morally superior to go on with so called living, without honor.

    If someone accepts that, then they are already half way to suicide, as I see it.

    Nothing changes someone more than when they find out that they can be part of the fight for redress and justice.

  • Augustine’s conversion account, the “healthy mindedness” type of account which you typically find in New Thought circles, the standard type of Evangelical Conversion account, the standard type of Recovery Movement account, and what is becoming common in Autism narratives, these are all first hand personal experience accounts.

    But I still do not accept them, not at anything close to face value. They are interpretations, influenced by the environment they are coming out of. No reason I or anyone else is obligated to accept them.

    I like the kind of account presented about Shari Karney. Learned about early childhood sexual molestation. Tried to confront her parents, but it back fired totally. So seeing how systemic this was, she spent the next 10 years tenaciously finding out ways of getting legal redress. This turned out to be getting SOL’s extended. And this is the only reason why things are any better today.

    Or here, man who is not Black, he is Jewish. Horrified by goings on in South Africa. Slated to head the ANC’s Armed Wing. Trained by Soviets in Odessa.

    https://www.amazon.com/Armed-Dangerous-Undercover-Struggle-Freedom/dp/143140795X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=ronnie+kasrils&qid=1565389451&s=books&sr=1-1

    Or here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91mFsfJywXE

    Steve, I used to believe in 12 step Recovery Groups and the idea of sharing. Not anymore. Now I know that that goes nowhere.

    If someone really knows something about injustice then you would expect to see them engaged in the fight.

  • So who wants to align themselves with the hard line stance:

    No Drugs, No Psychotherapy, No Recovery Programs!

    From there we start taking political actions. The hard line stance is necessary so that we are not feeding into the logic of mental health, psychotherapy, and recovery.

    ???

  • I will agree that some therapists are worse than others, but I still say that the underlying premises of the whole thing are always wrong. And if we promote psychotherapy, then most clients are going to end up with the crumby therapists. And I have also noticed that those who are not paying but are being provided with a therapist at public expense, they get the worst. It is not just because these are bad therapists, it is also because there is a presumption that the job of the therapist is to regulate and reform the client, so that they don’t use up so much tax payer resources.

    But having said all of that, I still say that therapy is based on a con, and it tries to get people to reformulate their self narrative into something consistent with the con.

    So really it has a lot in common with something I loathe, Scientology. But it also is like versions of religion.

    People say that Freud and Psychoanalysis took hold early on because they appear to be more liberal than religion, seeing us as being animals and having lots of drives to sex and violence.

    In his native Vienna Freud watched troops mobilizing for WWI and he lamented about all the kinds of darkness that are in men’s souls.

    But he seems not to understand that it is not darkness in men’s souls which make war.

    What makes for war is injustice, things like monarchy and capitalism.

    And fighting for one’s country is not necessarily a bad thing.

    Freud was taking people’s experiences and turning them into a moral defect. Still too much like religion. And today, Psychotherapy is still like this, they just use different terminology. And this Richard Schwartz, as I see it is one the worst.

  • My supposition is that the PTMF idea is probably influenced by the writings of David Smail. It does away with the presumption of ~mental illness~. Its like trying to cure people of their exposure to the ~mental health~ system.

    Its not bad for a first critique of psychotherapy. But it still comes down to confessing your affairs in the therapist’s office, instead of fighting to end this colonization. It does nothing to address the actual assaults on social and civil standing, as those require a political solution, not ~therapy~.

  • Well I think the mental health system has always been bogus. Today all it does is create a vast amount of pain and suffering, as well as a giant underclass.

    So first I call for a hard line stance, No Drugs, No Psychotherapy, No Recovery Programs. It is important that people take this stance, so that they are not bound into the system.

    Then we build political organizations and act. We get the drugs off of the market, we eliminate all forced treatments, and we start putting some psychotherapists out of business and end the government licensing of psychotherapy. We also get the government out of the Recovery and Salvation businesses.

    We protect children as we try to now, but supplemented by setting up things like the Children’s Home in an Israeli Kibbutz. We can’t eradicate the middle-class family, but we can do better in mitigating it. Children must have back up places to go and back up places where they visit regularly and already feel welcomed. This takes the place of Foster Care. And so we also have voluntary universal day care and preschool, as they have in France. Everybody uses it, because it is so good.

    The United States is just about alone among industrialized nations in that it allows people to disinherit their children. Legal scholars have tried to show the absurdity of this. But here it is. And it has gotten worse, as the one exception had been Louisiana, but in the mid 90’s they changed their laws and even amended their state constitution. But I talk to people online who live in other countries where the laws are different, and they seem to have no idea what the laws are even in their country. Well, things have started to change in the Common Law Countries, staring with the 1938 Wills Variation Act in the British Parliament. And then in the Civil Law Countries, Western Europe, Latin America, and now some on the Pacific Rim, there has always been such protection. Not even necessary to have a lawyer. So in the US, things need to change. Can’t use children as the family scapegoats.

    And then we have to look at what is really creating this huge underclass in the industrialized nations, and especially in the US. We live and work with advanced agricultural technology, advanced industrial technology, and advanced information technology. And we have increasingly these boom and bust cycles. First was around 1873, and then the 1930’s. And then after Ronald Reagan, I have lost count. The reason is simply that most of our economy serves very soft needs. We do not anymore need a very large work force. But the way that is being dealt with is by labeling people as ~Addicts~ ~Alcoholics~ ~Mentally Ill~ or ~Autistic~. I think it could go next to internment camps.

    What Buckminster Fuller wrote was that because of advances in agriculture and industrial technology, we now have the ability to take care of every single person even better than royalty had lived in past centuries.

    Now true, much of this technology of the 20th Century had been developed for killing people. But we can use it differently. We already produce more than enough of everything we need. But as Fuller explained, “The reason we don’t see this is that we expect everybody to prove that they can earn a living.”

    https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Path-R-Buckminster-Fuller-ebook/dp/B015GEOKMS

    Seeing the carnage of two world wars, in 1947 Georges Bataille wrote his “Accursed Share”. It is that share which creates wars. Bataille instead envisioned a Gift Economy.

    Seeing produce left to rot on the ground and livestock being buried, because market prices were too low to pay the transportation costs, and seeing vast unemployment and mortgage foreclosures, in 1934 Upton Sinclair ran for Governor of California. His platform was called production for use, because it is overproduction and over consumption which creates the busts.

    https://www.amazon.com/Land-Orange-Groves-Jails-California/dp/1890771953/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+land+of+orange+groves+and+jails+%3A+Upton+Sinclair%27s+California&qid=1565311185&s=gateway&sr=8-1

    Our society and our economic system need to change. Right now one of the most destructive things we have going is the Work-Ethic, which is the basis of the Middle-Class Family. Most of those in this underclass have been deeply effected by this teaching.

    And then a broader version of this, the Self-Reliance Ethic, seems to be the basis of the Autism Industry.

    So what to do, the most promising thing now seems to be Universal Basic Income, along with Medicare for All and a strong public housing offering along with free college. This goes a bit beyond what Andrew Yang has written, 2020 Democrat for President:

    https://www.amazon.com/War-Normal-People-Disappearing-Universal/dp/0316414212/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Andrew+Yang&qid=1565311465&s=gateway&sr=8-1

    https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Floor-Universal-Economy-American/dp/1610396251/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3068EDVHTN877&keywords=andy+stern+raising+the+floor&qid=1565311512&s=gateway&sprefix=andy+stern%2Caps%2C195&sr=8-1

    Political involvement is always the replacement for the therapist’s couch.

  • Well we all have to decide what we do and do not accept.

    Like I said, you will see experience narratives coming out of Religion and Recovery too. They are interpretations.

    In 1901 William James wrote about two distinctly different types of religious experiences. I have written about this, and drawing from Augustine’s Confessions and from Alice Miller too.

    Just because you say it is your personal experience, that does not mean that others cannot refuse some of the contextual elements, like the fact that it was part of psychotherapy.

    I am hardly the first to challenge the legitimacy of psychotherapy and psychoanalysis, and to say that they are scams.

    Some here defend psychiatry and drugs. Some endorse street drugs like LSD, MDMA, Methamphetamine, and Marijuana. I’ve known many who endorse Ethanol.

    I do not go along with any of it. Not intending to offend, but I really do not go along with it.

    Dreyfus paper challenges the ways in which we understand what we know and what we are, and hence it challenges Psychoanalysis and Psychotherapy.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwj2nOGksvTjAhWRoFsKHSH2A9QQFjAAegQIABAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsophos.berkeley.edu%2Fdreyfus%2Fpdf%2FAlternative%2520(Word98).pdf&usg=AOvVaw1haiE8_qIBPWD2WrIo7-ZR

    Drawing on Martin Heidegger, Dreyfus challenged the Military Artificial Intelligence Community at MIT, and ended up leaving for UC Berkeley where he was well received.

    Drawing also on Martin Heidegger, Paul Tillich pretty much demolished prior Christian Theology.

    Psychotherapy is based on assumptions and it is based on a kind of a Philosophy. I say that it is no longer credible, and that it is now a kind of Witch Doctoring.

    Really interesting book:
    https://www.amazon.com/Embodied-Mind-Cognitive-Science-Experience/dp/026252936X

    Shows three circles, kind of like levels. Deals with how we know what we know, but finally how we are what we are.

    Most of what is Religion and Psychotherapy does not come off looking very good.

    Deals with Cognition, Artificial Intelligence, and Psychotherapy.

    And actually there should be a 4th circle, to include postmodernism and poststructuralism.

    And people are saying that it was Gilles Deleuze who was really the first who was post-Heideggerian.

    Totally demolishes Psychanalysis and Psychotherapy, and by using Nietzsche it rewrites Marx and Engels.

    https://www.amazon.com/Anti-Oedipus-Capitalism-Schizophrenia-Penguin-Classics/dp/0143105825/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3G6EKM1BK3QB3&keywords=anti-oedipus+capitalism+and+schizophrenia&qid=1565306368&s=books&sprefix=anti-oedipus%2Cstripbooks%2C191&sr=1-1

    above is extremely challenging, best book to help explain it:

    https://www.amazon.com/EPZ-Deleuze-Guattaris-Anti-Oedipus-Readers/dp/0826491480/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=anti-oedipus+ian+buchanan&qid=1565306429&s=books&sr=1-1

    And I believe that in the later Foucault, and in some of those who interpreted him, there will be a highly effective refutation of all that is the Mental Health System, Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, Recovery, and Salvation Religion, as well as of this creation of an underclass which we are witnessing.

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    When Alice Miller was at her greatest, she denounced every conceivable form of psychotherapy, with zero exceptions. She resigned from all psychoanalytic associations, and she apologized for having led some of her readers into psychotherapy. She said that every form of psychotherapy was simply a denial system.

    So how then does one recover their lost feelings? Well what worked for her was water color painting. She writes about this very well, and shows her paintings, in “Pictures of a Childhood”.

    I would say that her paintings are a bit bleak, and fairly non-descript. But she was able to understand abuses she suffered from these.

    And I also point out two additional points she makes First, she insisted that her paintings only worked so well because she had never studied any technique for painting. If she had studied any technique, she insisted that her painting would have been worthless.

    Second, she explained that during her psychoanalytic training, she underwent two complete courses of psychoanalysis. She explained that this uncovered none of the abuses which she found by herself by doing water color paintings. Hence, those courses of psychoanalyses were worthless, mere denial systems.

    Now as I am describing, this was the early Alice Miller, the first 7 books.

    Then she went dark for a number of years, and when she came back she was only a pale reflection of what she had been. She had hooked up with this J. Conrad Stettbacher, a kind of a cult leader, and that cult based upon his own adaptation of Primal Therapy. Seems that she was really harmed by it. It is a very manipulative therapy, but all therapy is.

    From reading Stettbacher’s book, I would say that someone might want to do something like what Stettbacher suggests by themselves, like a kind of meditation. But I would never suggest that anyone ever let anyone else lead them in any kind of Regression Therapy, not Janov, not anyone.

    I have done what Stettbacher suggests, by myself for years and years, and in many variations, along with lots of journaling and various sorts of spiritual exercises. And I am always developing new approaches. It is a continual and life long project, to remember the parts of myself which have been cut off.

    Now returning to Miller, I have always said, she opened doors but she was not able to walk through them herself.

    She showed how the issue is not child abuse, rather it is what of The Family which is considered good and required, which is so harmful. And in this sense I would say that she is more like Foucault, than like a liberal pedagogue.

    She saw and showed how bogus psychotherapy was, but she still wanted to believe. So she went with a regression therapist and got badly harmed. Its just like R. D. Laing before her, getting swallowed up in regression therapy. And of course it gets into things which are prenatal and of past lives. Totally impossible to redress, and this is no accident.

    Miller reached the point where the way forward was clearly redress. But she never took any steps in that direction.

    She asked why in artistic works Isaac is always mute. She said that if he raised his hand against his father, “then that would start the war we all fear.”

    Well that is how she thought, that was as far as she could go. I say it was religion and experiences in the Warsaw Ghetto which weakened her.

    As she started to write again she doubled back on herself and re-endorsed psychotherapy, as a way to get that “enlightened witness”.

    But some observers have pointed out that “enlightened witness” is probably a bad translation of her German. Some say it should be like “helping witness”, as it gets translated into Spanish. “Enlightenment” plays into the dissociation and detachment which you find in religion and psychotherapy.

    Helping Witness could mean different things, what age are they helping you at, and with what sorts of things?

    For myself I have stopped using these terms and instead introduced my own take, seeking “Comrades”. People think this is Russian, but it actually comes from French.

    People learn and grow when they place themselves at risk and enter into real conflict.

    And I know this myself, having entered into contentious matters and having seen how I was sold out as a child. No form of therapy could ever have exposed this, and really nothing other than intense consequential conflict could have.

    The physical pain is intense, like having your bones eating away from the inside by acid.

    People who have gone thru this will fight. They know that healing and recovery are scams. And they know that only by fighting do they have any chance of restoring their public honor. And when people fight well, they draw comrades. The rest of the people are just commiserators.

    And sorry to say, a psychotherapist is not going to be a comrade.

    On her web site they associate her with “Child Abuse”. I say this is totally inaccurate. Child abuse means that which is recognized as abuse and which the law might punish.

    What she wrote about in those first 7 books was that which is not seen at all, what is considered good and necessary.

    If you had to sum up what she was about at her best, I would say it would be:

    1. Anti-Pedagogy, all pedagogy, coercive and liberal

    2. Exposing the Middle-Class Family, because this is who reads and writes the pedagogy manuals

    3. Anti-Psychotherapy

    But most of the people who say that they follow Alice Miller really understand very little of this. They want to make her into something of a liberal pedagogue.

    I will say that she found ways to sneak out and back in, at the Warsaw Ghetto. She made common cause with Polish Resistance, and she was able to bring in food.

    Also, Pictures of a Childhood was out of print for years and years. So finally I called the publisher in NYC and got someone who knew about it. He found one in a back room, it was dusty. And they let me have it at retail price without sales tax. This would have been around 1990. With her books, say 6 and 7, I was reading them right as they came out onto the store shelves. But Pictures of a Childhood was the one I had such a hard time getting hold of, more pictures than words.

    When she went dark I was very disappointed. But then when she started to write again, post Stettbacher, it was nothing like she was before. I would not have read her early stuff if it was like that.

    Since, Pictures of a Childhood has been reissued in paper back from.

  • When Alice Miller was at her greatest, she denounced every conceivable form of psychotherapy with zero exceptions. She resigned from all psychoanalytic associations, and she apologized for having led some of her readers into psychotherapy. She said that every form of psychotherapy was simply a denial system.

    So how then does one recover their lost feelings? Well what worked for her was water color painting. She writes about this very well, and shows her paintings, in “Pictures of a Childhood”.

    I would say that her paintings are a bit bleak, and fairly non-descript. But she was able to understand abuses she suffered from these.

    And I also point out two additional points she makes First, she insisted that her paintings only worked so well because she had never studied any technique for painting. If she had studied any technique, she insisted that her painting would have been worthless.

    Second, she explained that during her psychoanalytic training, she underwent two complete courses of psychoanalysis. She explained that this uncovered none of the abuses which she found by herself by doing water color paintings. Hence, those courses of psychoanalyses were worthless, mere denial systems.

    Now as I am describing, this was the early Alice Miller, the first 7 books.

    Then she went dark for a number of years, and when she came back she was only a pale reflection of what she had been. She had hooked up with this J. Conrad Stettbacher, a kind of a cult leader, and that cult based upon his own adaptation of Primal Therapy. Seems that she was really harmed by it. It is a very manipulative therapy, but all therapy is.

    From reading Stettbacher’s book, I would say that someone might want to do something like what Stettbacher suggests by themselves, like a kind of meditation. But I would never suggest that anyone ever let anyone else lead them in any kind of Regression Therapy, not Janov, not anyone.

    I have done what Stettbacher suggests, by myself for years and years, and in many variations, along with lots of journaling and various sorts of spiritual exercises. And I am always developing new approaches. It is a continual and life long project, to remember the parts of myself which have been cut off.

    Now returning to Miller, I have always said, she opened doors but she was not able to walk through them herself.

    She showed how the issue is not child abuse, rather it is what of The Family which is considered good and required, which is so harmful. And in this sense I would say that she is more like Foucault, than like a liberal pedagogue.

    She saw and showed how bogus psychotherapy was, but she still wanted to believe. So she went with a regression therapist and got badly harmed. Its just like R. D. Laing before her, getting swallowed up in regression therapy. And of course it gets into things which are prenatal and of past lives. Totally impossible to redress, and this is no accident.

    Miller reached the point where the way forward was clearly redress. But she never took any steps in that direction.

    She asked why in artistic works Isaac is always mute. She said that if he raised his hand against his father, “then that would start the war we all fear.”

    Well that is how she thought, that was as far as she could go. I say it was religion and experiences in the Warsaw Ghetto which weakened her.

    As she started to write again she doubled back on herself and re-endorsed psychotherapy, as a way to get that “enlightened witness”.

    But some observers have pointed out that “enlightened witness” is probably a bad translation of her German. Some say it should be “helping witness”, as it gets translated into Spanish. “Enlightenment” plays into the dissociation and detachment which you find in religion and psychotherapy.

    Helping Witness could mean different things, what age are they helping you at, and with what sorts of things?

    For myself I have stopped using these terms and instead introduced my own take, seeking “Comrades”. People think this is Russian, but it actually comes from French.

    People learn and grow when they place themselves at risk and enter into real conflict. And sorry to say, a psychotherapist is not going to be a comrade.

    On her web site they associate her with “Child Abuse”. I say this is totally inaccurate. Child abuse means that which is recognized as abuse and what the law might punish.

    What she wrote about in those first 7 books was that which is not seen at all, what is considered good and necessary.

    If you had to sum up what she was about at her best, I would say it would be:

    Anti-Pedagogy, all pedagogy, coercive and liberal
    Exposing the Middle-Class Family, because that is who reads and writes the pedagogy manuals
    Anti-Psychotherapy.

    But most of the people who say that they follow Alice Miller really understand very little of this. They want to make her into something of a liberal pedagogue.

    I will say that she found ways to sneak out and back in, at the Warsaw Ghetto. She made common cause with Polish Resistance, and she was able to bring in food.

    Also, Pictures of a Childhood was out of print for years and years. So finally I called the publisher in NYC and got someone who knew about it. He found one in a back room, it was dusty. And they let me have it at retail price without sales tax. This would have been around 1990. With her books say 6 and 7, I was reading them right as they came out onto the store shelves. But Pictures of a Childhood was the one I had such a hard time getting hold of, more pictures than words.

    When she went dark I was very disappointed. But then when she started to write again, post Stettbacher, it was nothing like she was before. I would not have read her early stuff if it was like that.

    Since Pictures of a Childhood has been reissued in paper back from.