Tuesday, September 25, 2018

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  • The mental health system should not even exist. All these people should be getting prosecuted for Crimes Against Humanity in the International Court.

    I would suggest that you consider a lawsuit. Therapists have the most power to harm you in what Freud called ‘transference’. In layman’s terms, this is when the client realizes that they have been disclosing their affairs to someone who is not on their side, but rather is on the side of the parents, and has duped them.

    The power that the mental health system has all derives from your disclosing your thoughts and affairs to them, instead of just giving them the middle finger.

    http://www.therapyabuse.org/p2-emotional-abuse-in-therapy.htm

    I am not a lawyer, but if you tell me which state you are in, I’ll do what it takes to find you one.

  • I say now! We need to stop debating with Psychiatrists and Psychotherapists, and instead identify actions we can take, mostly refusing to deal with Mental Health and Recovery, and also targeting facets of it to put out of business. I don’t think this is that hard.

    In some states they have outlawed the practice of Sexual Orientation Realignment Therapy upon minors. I applaud this, and I see it as a first step towards outlawing the practice of any type of psychotherapy upon a minor, except for when it is for a minor currently being represented by an attorney in court.

    If we can do this, that will end the use of psychotherapy as a cover up, at least with minors, but it will also make the rest of the population take a closer look at what it is actually being used for.

  • OKay, but when you keep saying ‘ED’ over and over it does sound like you do see it as a ‘disorder’, and that likely will be seen as something similar to ~~mental illness~~.

    So if you want nutritionists to handle it, and you want more access to these nutritionalists and them to be more trained in this, okay. But what would they do?

    So as you talk about ED, what is the cure or treatment for ED?

    My knowledge is obviously limited. But as I know what the medical community would do is just check a few things and monitor the person, but generally there is no cure of treatment, there is just psychotherapy, as they see it as a behavior issue, but also being driven by some societal issues which get to young women’s identities.

    What do you think the cure or treatment should be?

    For myself, I am rejecting the concept of ~~ED~~ and instead just talking about self-destructive eating practices. I am also rejecting psychotherapy, but seeing such self-destructive eating practices as the result of some sort or another of political oppression and abuse. And then of course the remedy is to come to understand this and then to politically organize and take political action. Guerilla Girls, radical pro-sex, pro-prostitution, pro-women in art feminists would be the first place I would suggest looking for an ongoing political movement.

    What do you think? I am trying to understand what your POV is.

  • So do you think there should be any recommended remedy or response to destructive eating patterns?

    And I assume that you know that ours in not a society which just stands by and watches people die. If someone is incapacitating themselves, then eventually they will be loaded into an ambulance and delivered to a hospital, and there consent will not even be sought.

    And things being as they are, they stand a good chance of ending up on a psych ward, and getting drugged.

    Is this okay with you? If not, how would you like to see it changed?

    I take it that you do believe that there is such a thing as ~Eating Disorders~. But you must know that that sounds a great deal like the idea that there is such a thing as ~Mental Illness~. Do you want to alter this, or are you happy with how it is?

    In the example I showed you from a mother daughter book, this was in one of countries most prestigious residential communities, and with one of the most demanding high schools in the country, Palo Alto CA’s Henry Gunn High School. And it had recently become famous because of a string of teenage suicides, seemingly over the high level of academic pressure. And so we have this teenage girl seriously harming herself and on track to becoming the youngest person in a nursing home and being confined to a wheel chair. Do you thing some sort of research or investigation or corrective actions are warranted?

    https://www.amazon.com/Hungry-Mother-Daughter-Fight-Anorexia/dp/0425227901/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

    One of the original premises of psychoanalysis, going back to Freud is that to know a person you have to have some understanding of the nature of the family relations they grew up in.

    Now, myself being against psychoanalysis, I don’t go where they take it. I see there as being a whole host of other societal issues. And this is how they see it in the Milan School too. I don’t even support psychoanalysis as it is based on confession and disclosure. Where what we need is direction in political, legal, and direct action.

    Do you see there as being anything worth looking at when people are eating in highly self destructive manners? Doesn’t it to you indicate the probability of constraints and problems which they do not know how to resolve?

  • Want to list a few more references from the above book, co-edited by Sami Timimi

    For Chapter 13, written by Tom Billingon

    he has written:
    https://www.amazon.com/Separating-Losing-Excluding-Children-Narratives-ebook/dp/B000FA6234/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518299036&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Tom+Billingon+separating+losing

    then we have Henri Bergon, Baruch Spinoza, Gilbert Ryle,

    and the philosopher of science Isabelle Stengers
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabelle_Stengers

    https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Whitehead-Free-Creation-Concepts/dp/067441697X/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1518299227&sr=8-9&keywords=isabelle+stengers

    Then much by this Antonio Damasio

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Damasio

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?ie=UTF8&text=Antonio+Damasio&search-alias=books&field-author=Antonio+Damasio&sort=relevancerank

    Note: If you want a body and sense oriented book from Deleuze and Guattari, rather like a Mearlu-Ponty sort of thinking, then that would be Logic of Sense.

  • Peer Support? No, that is no good. It implies recovery and rehabilitation, the Uncle Tom route for dealing with injustice.

    We need Comrades At The Barricades, because the way people evolve is by claiming their place in the world, and by fighting shoulder to shoulder, and by restoring their honor and their biographies.

    So you can keep your peer support, designed to create basket cases.

    To Live And Die With Honor
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlWVV5imXSM

  • Julie, do you see that self destructive patterns of eating are primarily the result of living in just too small of a social space, too many contradictions, and too much hypocrisy, and not seeing anyway to do anything about it?

    From the Milan School of Family Systems Therapy:
    https://www.amazon.com/Self-Starvation-Mara-Selvini-Palazzoli/dp/0876683103/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1517963696&sr=8-1&keywords=Mara+Selvini-Palazzoli

    Shouldn’t be hard to obtain the book, as their group has been so extremely influential. They have showed how things work in families, and what it is which is so different about middle-class families.

    I’m not endorsing psychotherapy or psychoanalysis, but I do think you need to understand the insights and understanding generated. But then instead of going the route of recovery and healing, the Uncle Tom route, instead put those insights and that understanding into direct political and legal action.

  • Feeling Discouraged, yes I do know what happened to Rep Tim Murphy, jackass that he is.

    Sera wrote, “I genuinely am not sure why you are posting this here. This blog isn’t about ‘recovery.’ I’ve been pretty clear for many years that I don’t support the concept.”

    But Sera, what then is the object of your activism? Those who have been in the psychiatric system are a persecuted minority, robbed of any kind of a legitimated biography, and usually still blocked in any efforts to reclaim such a biography.

    Tina Minkowitz, Esq. wrote:
    https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/10/un-to-usa-forced-treatment-prohibited/#comment-116741
    “Therapy or recovery is not a remedy for forced treatment, the remedy is abolition and a full and comprehensive effort to make reparations to victims/survivors.”

    Sera, you wrote to the newspaper and they published your letters. To me, it seemed like you were pleading, trying to reason with readers and evoke a sense of pity. And I think you endorsed various programs like halfway houses or Soteria, or your group, or other things, which in that context, must be interpreted as “Recovery Programs”. You were offering these as the alternative to forced psychiatric procedures.

    People who are standing up for themselves do not plead:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LKQRXYyRn8

    Remember, the mental health system and recovery movement are rooted in the bogus sciences of Social Darwinism and Eugenics. And though these are bogus, when you plead for pity, instead of showing how people can stand up for themselves, you feed the idea that there is some basis in these bogus sciences.

  • Thank you Bryan for filing your lawsuit. You are helping yourself, and you are helping countless others, as your suit will likely open the door to more lawsuits.

    You are fighting to restore your public honor, and others will undoubtedly follow your example.

    No amount of therapy or recovery will ever restore anyone’s honor, quite the contrary they just push people further and further from actually standing up for themselves.

    We have so called activists who plead for pity and recovery. And we have doctors who only want to put 10% as many children on drugs. It is a dire state of affairs.

    I commend you for your courage and for the example you are setting!

  • Targeting a segment of the population, children, giving them senseless drugs just to experiment with altering them, and to feed an industry. Can anyone tell me why that would not fall within the Nuremburg definition of Crimes Against Humanity, and its Capital form?

    Via a German NGO we could investigate and get a court to bring an indictment, just like was done with Donald Rumsfeld and George W. Bush, never expiring War Crimes indictments. Won’t see either of those two guys at October Fest.

  • From my admitted arm chair vantage point, it all seems like a coming of age issue.

    Lawrence Kelmenson talks about ~Bipolar Disorder~ and links it to adolescence.
    https://www.madinamerica.com/2018/01/make-adolescence-permanent-bipolar-disorder/

    I’m seeing this is a predominantly male matter.

    So the ~Bipolar~ and ~Eating Disorders~ could be coming of age issues, mostly problems coming from being blocked from adulthood. And this blockage would be by virtue of the lies, hypocrisy, and conflicting values, and usually from having been made the family scapegoat.

    If you want to say that this dangerous eating is caused by nothing, then that does support a medical or behaviorlist model.

    I am more inclined to see it all as related to exploitation, that is, being used.

    This guy is too conservative for me, but his is an outstanding book, and you don’t need to have the latest edition. I spent lots of time reading this and it really made me think.
    https://www.amazon.com/Adolescence-Laurence-Steinberg/dp/1259567826

    He exonerates adolescents from the usual criticisms, showing how it is just because of the strange world they are forced to live in. And remember, adolescence is an invention of the industrial era. And how long it lasts depends on how well of the parents are. Adolescence turns into a bigger hell the longer it goes on.

    If you knew someone eating self-destructively, what would you do or suggest?

  • Want to list a few more references from the above book, co-edited by Sami Timimi

    from Chapter 12, Critical Systemic Therapy, by Mark Haydon-Laurelut

    I don’t see Family Systems Therapy in the same sort of negative light that is most all other forms of therapy. It is more a kind of mediation. But, the child must still be represented by an attorney in court, as this is the only way to have any authority over the parents.

    mentions an article by this Lynn Hoffman, she has books too.

    Mentions works of this W. B. Pearce.

    Mentions works of Mara Selvini-Palazzoli
    This would be that Milan School of Family Systems Therapy. Again, more mediation than psychotherapy. From their books I much better learned to understand what is distinct about the Middle-Class Family, as opposed to other forms.

    http://www.massimoschinco.it/the%20Milan%20Approach%20-%20roots%20and%20evolution.pdf

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Mara+Selvini-Palazzoli

    And here, about harmful eating patters, otherwise known as ~Eating Disorders~
    https://www.amazon.com/Self-Starvation-Mara-Selvini-Palazzoli/dp/0876683103/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1517963696&sr=8-1&keywords=Mara+Selvini-Palazzoli

  • Julie, I see your point that since dangerous and unhealthy eating practices are often kept secret, it is difficult to have good statistics.

    Suppose you knew of someone and had regular contact with that person and you knew that they were doing dangerous eating. Lets say it involved ‘purging’. I see that as significant, taking it beyond just overeating or bad diet.

    What would you do? I assume that you would not send them to a psychotherapist.

    For me, I would suggest to them political consciousness raising and political activism. And for a girl this would be the Guerrilla Girls.

    https://www.guerrillagirls.com/

    This deals with women in art, but it is also about body image and roles. It is feminism, but it is not that anti-sex puritanical feminism. That was used in order to obtain the vote. But it also still exists in anti-porn crusades and in conjunction with religion.

    Gurerrilla Girls is more pro-sex feminism, drawing from Existentialism and from Marxism. They have a great deal in common with the Russian girls, Pussy Riot.

    A woman’s body image is one thing when being compared to the advertising and entertainment industries. But very different when it comes to real sex.

    As far as political consciousness raising, I mean like here in this fictionalized telling:
    https://youtu.be/b1PmnZ9hejw?t=24m23s

  • A truly integrated system of care would mean that we have zero privacy, not even in our thoughts. We are being subject to manipulation at every turn.

    My friend, needed care for his heart condition from the County Hospital. But they wanted to send him to a psychiatrist and get him put on the neurotoxin Zoloft.

    So I wrote to him and length warning him how bad all types of psychotherapy and psychiatric drugs are. I offered to find him a lawyer. He accepted my offer, and he also terminated all contact with the psychiatrist.

    So I am very pleased. At this juncture he also has no need for a lawyer.

    But if they tried to make his heart condition care subject to seeing the psychiatrist? Is that what is meant by integrated care?

    Then he would need a lawyer.

    We must fight this idea of integrated care as though our lives depended upon it, because they do. I also suggest a good place to start is with the new building at UC Irvine, and also because of the seeming connection between that and the Saddleback Church.

  • Finishing up with the book Sami Timimi edited with Rebecca Mallett, and Katherine Runswick-Cole
    Re-Thinking Autism: Diagnosis, Identity and Equality

    https://www.amazon.com/Re-Thinking-Autism-Diagnosis-Identity-Equality-ebook/dp/B01F2HV7D4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1515969324&sr=8-1&keywords=sami+timimi+autism

    I want to list some of its book references here:

    M. Kimmel (2004) The Gendered Society

    Anne McGuire (2016) War on Autism: On the Cultural Logic of Normative Violence (Corporealities: Discourses Of Disability)

    works of Rebecca Mallet and Katherine Runswick-Cole

    works of D. Goodley

    works of Kim Davies

    works of Fiona Kumari Campbell

    and online Jim Sinclair, don’t mourn for us:

    http://www.autreat.com/dont_mourn.html

    http://autismmythbusters.com/general-public/autistic-vs-people-with-autism/jim-sinclair-why-i-dislike-person-first-language/

  • amikatari,

    Talk about healing is another way of abusing survivors and helping the perpetrators. And self-help books are as abusive as therapy, except for the fact that it is easier for you to put the book down if you do not agree with it.

    We all live in a world which is abusive. It is no less so today than it was when we were children. And so the adult survivor is just as marginalized and preyed on as they ever were. Its just that the methods and the pedagogy manuals and the talk of the therapists continues to get slicker.

    The way we relegitimate our biographies is not via Therapy or Recovery, it is by asserting ourselves, asserting our wills, and talking political and legal action. We gain legitimacy in how we are able to politically organize, and in how we stand up for ourselves and others.

    Thank you for posting!!

  • We must just discourage people from having any dealings with Psychiatrists, Psychoanalysts, or Psychotherapists. What these people attempt to do, get the angry and alienated to accept society the way it is, and tell them that their health and wellbeing depend upon this, is just wrong.

    And then stop our government from being able to license it. Until this happens, these violators will continue to have power. Angry persons will always be dismissed by telling them that they ‘need therapy’.

    The only exception would be a Psychologist trying to aide someone, adult or juvenile, who is currently be represented by an attorney in court.

    And then some will get something like psychotherapy from clergy. And really, psychotherapy only exists because of the abject failings of western religion anyway. So let them deal with their clergy. Sure, it is just as much non-sense as psychotherapy, but at least the government is not licensing it and making it normative.

    The alternative to all these therapies is political consciousness raising and political activism. These things change people because the people are focusing themselves on making social change, and because they do this by finding comrades.

    Your therapist is not your comrade.

    So yes, ERADICATE THE MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM AND PROSECUTE THE PRACTITIONERS!

    “A degree in medicine is about as useful as a bull in a China shop when it comes to navigating human experience.
    We need a catalogue of abuse, not a catalogue of ancient bullshit”

    ^^^^^ YES!

  • Julie, thank you for posting your article and for replying to me. I do not go along with the idea of ~eating disorders~.

    But when you find people who are eating in self-destructive and dangerous ways, isn’t it usually true that it is young women?

    And is it true that it is more common amongst the white, well-off suburbanites, instead of with low income inner city ethnics? I would suspect yes, but I really do not know.

    To me it seems like a coming of age issue, living in a very small box of contradictions and manipulations.

    And is it also true that it is highly correlated to the young woman living with her parents and being a sexual virgin?

    The mother daughter book I posted of was people living in the very prestigious Palo Alto CA, and at one of the most prestigious high schools in the country, Henry Gunn High School, and they talked about this in the interviews and in the book.

    Do you agree with me that a behavioral approach is non-sense?

    So that usually leads to the psychoanalytic view. But the alternative to this is the political consciousness and political activism approach. Does this make sense?

    Other than Capitalist objectification of women via images, and non-sensical double standards, what else do you think contributes to it?

  • Of course talk therapists try to make people believe that their anger and distress is not warranted. Otherwise what do they do?

    Otherwise they would have experience in legal and political activism, to actually remedy the social and civil standing of their clients, instead of taking advantage of their vulnerability.

  • Julie, thank your for posting your article and for replying to me. Actually after I submitted my reply I thought about editing it, while there was still time. But it is actually better that my original submission is up, because I want now to back pedal and alter some of what I have said.

    I might sound like I am endorsing psychotherapy or recovery groups. That was not really my intent.

    Also, I would never tell anyone that they ‘need therapy’, doing that is totally unacceptable. I hope it didn’t come across as my meaning that. I did not.

    So I say there is no such thing as ~eating disorders~. But having said that there are people who are eating in destructive ways. And I guess there are acute versions of this, and there are also chronic versions of this. Much of the population, including myself, would be in this second category.

    So though I am opposed to psychotherapy and the concept of recovery, if someone is doing binge eating or something else highly destructive, and they say they want psychotherapy or recovery, then I am not going to block their way. This was all I meant.

    But what do I really thing would be best? Well to me it seems like a coming of age issue, and the vast majority of this applying to young women.

    So then first of all, I would say that the behavioral therapies are worthless and just self torture.

    Second, this is a book which I have not read, but it has long seemed like it is one intended to get at the coming of age issues for young women, and especially based on the insight that the issues are not with these women themselves, but rather are about the hypocrisy of the world they live in.

    https://www.amazon.com/Reviving-Ophelia-Saving-Selves-Adolescent/dp/1594481881/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1517695603&sr=8-1&keywords=reviving+ophelia+book&dpID=51LT0LBoZBL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

    And so what drives these body image issues? As I know it is the fashion and entertainment industries, and the unrealistic ideals they promote. It is also just that images of young women are used to advertise most everything. And then some would say that it is also just the way men think about women.

    Now, of that above list, it is unlikely that anyone is going to be able to change much of it.

    But I want to stand on what I have previously laid out, that the alternative to the self denigration and lies of psychotherapy and recovery is political consciousness raising and political activism.

    And also, I have years ago talked about this with others. As I see it, most every society has always used sexualized images of young women in a symbolic way. And really when you get to primitive societies it is not really images, it is the young women themselves.

    The way it is for us is the product of Capitalism. And as Deleuze and Guattari tell us, Capitalism works by overcoding, and by the creation of images. So I would say that the pagan religious sexualization is being appropriated and turned into something quite different.

    So a pagan society would celebrate sexual desire. And the standards for female beauty in such a face two face context would be much broader than the standards would be the creation of images in our Capitalist society. The way it is in our society actually creates sexual frustration.

    So we have to look to the young women themselves who are engaging in destructive patterns of eating. Where do they think attention should be focused? Where is the bogeyman which is causing all of this?

    Say for example, an adolescent girl is expected to come of age in a social box which is just too small because it is filled with deep contradictions and heavy doses of hypocrisy. So it turns into an unworkable situation, and such destructive eating patterns ensue.

    As I see it, that is what this book is about, the deep contradictions and hypocrisy:
    https://www.amazon.com/Womens-Room-Novel-Marilyn-French/dp/0143114506/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1517697791&sr=8-1&keywords=women%27s+room&dpID=51jm%252BbBsX5L&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

    The remedy would then be to let her work with others, not therapy or recovery, but shoulder to shoulder with others who are taking political action, striking back at the bogey man.

    So we have a Capitalist society which has the fashion and entertainment industries, and advertising, and then just the ways men are taught to view women. And then as a product of this you have the idea created that sex is available for a man only if he has lots and lots of money, and for a woman only if she meets some very unrealistic ideals.

    But in fact this last premise is not really true. People with lots and lots of money are more often than not very guarded and cautious people. There is more sex for those at the lower levels of our socioeconomic ladder, more in bohemian enclaves, and in outcast enclaves. Sex is revolutionary when it attacks societal standards and expectations. So the Capitalist representation is not real sex. But it is also not really factual either.

    So then, those wishing to fight back against these forces in our society, they could first of all show women doing things which are not based on image or sex appeal, all sorts of things, intellectual things, artistic things, all manner things. And these should not have to be moralistic, puritanical. And then also, they could fight back against this linking of sex to images and unrealistic standards and to great wealth, via real sex.

    I’ve always been impressed with and entertained by:
    https://www.guerrillagirls.com/

    So in my view, as with everything else, I believe that once one learns that they are needed in the trenches of political activism, instead of in their therapist’s office, that then their supposed ~illnesses~, ~disorders~, and ~addictions~ would evaporate.

  • Drugs, talk psychotherapy, and eclectic psychotherapy can all result in suicide. The reason is that they are all based on convincing people of falsehood.

    They make people believe that their anger and distress are not warranted, and that it is they themselves that are the problem, and that the correction is more therapy or drugs.

    When in fact, none of this does anything to redress their social and civil standing. So the therapist is a con artist, a liar.

    But people believe it and their life gets worse, and so some take the only way out they can see.

  • Sera, about supporting the concept of Recovery:

    Unless anti-Paychiatry activism is people fighting for something tangible, then it really is just more pity seeking. “Please Rep Murphy, don’t subject us to involuntary psychiatric procedures, let us have or recovery. We are non-violent, neutered.”

    It comes down to political activism and the way it most always proceeds. There can never be any pleading in it. So you don’t plead for relief from Tim Murphy’s bill, you let everyone know that all available means will be used to prevent it from being enforced.

    And then with those who have survived the mental health and recovery system, you demand penalities for perpetrators, and reparations for perpetrators. If you don’t do this, then you are saying that it is your side which is at fault, so such penalties and reparations are not warranted. So it is still more pity seeking.

    Angela Davis
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LKQRXYyRn8

    James Forman
    https://youtu.be/Ej2BCUIdUI4?t=43m44s

    Stokely Carmichael
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_klzg5kkbhM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym0h6NusUw0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMYTN0-2ugI

    The Mental Health – Recovery Movement is simply the continuation of the bogus sciences of Social Darwinism and Eugenics. So though these sciences are bogus, when you take a passive and pleading posture towards them, you make it look like they are legitimate.

    A Work In Progress
    https://sites.google.com/site/stompingthecockroach/

  • Thank you for writing this Julie. My own feeling is that just like ~~Mental Illness~~ is made up, so too are ~~Eating Disorders~~. There is no illness, or disorder.

    Now, we know that there are many people eating in very dangerous and destructive ways. And this seems to be most with young women, and it seems related to the unrealistic ideals which the fashion and entertainment industry holds up. And then, the images of young women are used throughout our society to advertise most everything. This is done so much so, that the young women themselves are made into a market commodity.

    So while I say no disease, no illness, no disorder, my heart goes out to anyone who is eating in a harmful or destructive way.

    The world is unfair and unjust. But I also think that some sort of self exploration groups or discussion groups would be the best way to deal with it. The young women are not at fault. But if they don’t change their eating practices, they are likely to die. And you won’t hear me endorse anything which could be turned against the sufferers very often.

    As far as some kind of therapy, I don’t know. Usually they say that therapy works only when the therapist is more adventurous than the client, and this is not often.

    https://www.amazon.com/When-Talk-Not-Cheap-Therapist/dp/0446300705/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1517613788&sr=1-1&keywords=when+talk+is+not+cheap

    Listened to these two on the radio, this Lisa Himmel was really eating in a dangerous way, likely to have ended up in a nursing home. But her parents were the restaurant critics for the newspaper.

    https://www.amazon.com/Hungry-Mother-Daughter-Fight-Anorexia/dp/0425227901/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1517613553&sr=1-1&keywords=sheila+himmel

  • This article must get the record for getting the most posts, and long posts, the fastest.

    Yes, abolish the mental health system, and incarcerate the practitioners. If someone is giving mood alteration drugs to a minor, then prosecute them for Crimes Against Humanity in the International Court.

    Stop our government from giving out psychotherapy licenses.

    The entire edifice is much like Social Darwinism. It take those who are marginalized and hence vulnerable, and then further marginalizes them by taking advantage of them.

    If parents are taking a child to a psychotherapist, and that child is not already being represented in court by an attorney, then the therapist is being hired to help to exploit the child. That should be prosecuted as felony violation of mandatory reporting.

    The entire edifice is simply converting the experience of injustice into a medical problem and self improvement project.

    But I will admit, that most people in the Mental Health – Recovery System are in such voluntarily. They are just being duped.

    So we have to work with such duped and raise their political consciousness so that they are willing to strike back. Can’t solve the problem from the top down.

    https://sites.google.com/site/stompingthecockroach/

  • “the number one actual function of today’s psychiatric industry is covering up child abuse, ”

    Amen!

    Mandatory reporting is supposed to stop it, but with those in private practice the function of the doctor is to exonerate the parents.

    The middle-class family exists to exploit, abuse, and psychically maim and scar children. Pedagogy manuals and hiring its own doctors are the primary signature.

    All such parenting advice is simply coaching on how to exploit children. It serves the parents.

  • Not a single person on your leadership team that would say that they are invested in the concept of ‘recovery’, yet it still the primary noun in the group’s name. And you think that I am being presumptuous and making assumptions when I say that you are promoting ‘recovery’?

    Well if you are not going to promote ‘recovery’, then I will be anxious to see what happens.

  • My friend has refused to see the psychiatrist or take any neurotoxins.

    Good.

    So he doesn’t need a lawyer.

    But bad news, his health problems seem to be stemming from something I did not know, that he is still using crystal meth.

    With his last hospital admission they found it in his blood.

    Not Good!

  • The vast majority of middle-class child abuse involves doctors of one sort or another. It is the doctor’s license which makes law suits and criminal prosecution difficult. But mandatory reporting was supposed to solve this.

    With doctors in public practice, mandatory reporting might solve it. It gives the child a lawyer and a judge. Parents know that they cannot use such doctors as accomplice abusers.

    But for doctors in private practice, no way. Their whole business model involves playing God while using the child as a pawn and getting money out of the parents.

    But calling what the middle-class does child abuse is challenging for people, because they don’t understand. It gets slicker every decade as there is a new generation of doctors and a new generation of pedagogy manuals. So I prefer to call it ‘child exploitation’. Meaning I am not saying that it is aberrational. Quite the contrary, it is normative.

    We need to learn how to fight and stop this kind of exploitation. And we need to teach children how to stop it and give them the kind of rights and back up that let them exercise their power to stop it.

  • Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, Recovery, and Drugging end, when those being targeted start to organize and act to defend themselves.

    I am currently trying to get a guy a lawyer, because to get primary care for his heart condition, the County Hospital is trying to send him to a psychiatrist and get him on the neurotoxin called Zoloft.

  • Sera, I read your Recovery Trap blog before I joined this forum. It impressed me.

    But you are involved with a group which uses the word “Recovery”, and you seem committed to the concept.

    Mental Illness, Needing Psychotherapy, Needing Recovery end when those being impugned start politically organizing and fighting back, instead of pleading for pity and recovery.

    If you have burned out on pleading for pity and recovery, and are not going to do it anymore, GREAT!

  • This entire article simply legitimates parents and supports the idea of ‘needing therapy’, while it is the child who is being exploited.

    Parenting Advice, Pedagogy Manuals, Psychotherapy, these are simply ways to abuse children.

    So we need to be teaching children to fight back to protect themselves, and working to shut down this therapy and parent legitimating industry.

  • Psychotherapy and talk about ‘healing’ is simply a way to finish the work of the abusers! Even if the survivor is no longer a child, that they would eventually end up in the office of a Psychiatrist or Psychotherapist is quite predictable.

    And a psychiatrist or psychotherapist is never going to do anything to objectively redress the wrongs perpetrated, or to change the ways our society supports child exploitation and sides with the abusers.

    No of course not, their job is to tell the survivors that they have no choice but just to live with the situation, and that it is really after all they who are the ones at fault for not seeing this earlier.

    And this is why Jeffrey Masson, former Curator of the Sigmund Freud Institute in Vienna, says unequivocally that the “practice of psychotherapy is wrong because it is profiting from the misery of others”.

    https://www.amazon.com/Against-Therapy-J-Moussaieff-Masson/dp/1567510221

    And Masson also says that every single kind of issue that people try to deal with in the therapist’s office should be dealt with in some other venue.

    People feel anguish, distress, pain, fear, because their social and civil standing have been compromised, and so their survival is being threatened. And so then being told about healing and forgiveness is just another layer of abuse. It all works like the bogus doctrine of Social Darwinism, blaming those who are marginalized for their own marginalization.

    There are two necessary steps to restoring social and civil standing. First, demonstrating the ability to politically organize and fight back. And second, demonstrating willingness and ability to risk life and liberty in defending self and others. This is how one regains a legitimated biography.

    A therapist’s office is where survivors are conned with this promise of ‘healing’ into confessing their anger on the couch and into celebrating their own impotence by punching pillows and screaming at them.

    I currently have a friend who has a heart condition and is getting his primary care through the County Hospital. But they are now sending him to a psychiatrist who wants to put him on drugs. I am helping him to find a lawyer, and I have coached him on how to stand up for himself and refuse to see or talk with this psychiatrist.

    I told him that as I see it, we should all be picketing and passing out fliers in front of the County Hospital, and then also going after White Suburbia’s Fix-My-Kid Doctors.

  • Abolishing the family has always been an idea in Marxism, in the Manifesto, and in Lenin’s first minister of women’s affairs, Alexandra Kollontai, and it’s in Wilhelm Reich. I suspect that it started with Plato’s Republic. But in 1930, responding to the Frankfurt School, Moscow disavowed and forbade any attacks on The Family.

    The middle-class family is always the unstated normative standard of the Mental Health and Recovery systems. And that it is seen as a norm is why Foster Care is usually so horrible.

    The middle-class family is something akin to slavery.

    Highly recommended:
    https://www.amazon.com/Anti-Social-Family-Radical-Thinkers/dp/1781687595

    And showing how all the mental health system really is, amounts to a theory of The Family:
    https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Theory-Family-Mark-Poster/dp/0861040600/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1516579788&sr=1-2-fkmr0&keywords=critical+theory+on+the+family+mark+poster

    Full text online:
    http://faculty.humanities.uci.edu/poster/CTF/

  • Psychotherapy is a dangerous and shameless scam, even the eclectic therapies. The basic idea is that the client needs healing.

    But this is simply a way of turning the client’s experience of injustice back onto the client. Like everyone else, the client lives in a world which is unfair and abusive. The client feels distress because their social and civil standing have been compromised, and so their survival is being threatened.

    Telling them that they need healing is just a predatory way of taking advantage of their marginalization, and turning it back against them.

    And because psychotherapy is so fraudulent, it is not uncommon that it results in suicides.

    The truth is that marginalized people, fairly or not, need to politically organize and then fight to regain their social and civil standing. This is after all the only way one can restore their biography.

    Psychotherapy and the idea of healing are just instructions in how to become an Uncle Tom and beg for pity.

    If people want to be respected and want their biography to be legitimated, then they have to engage in conflict. They must demonstrate the ability to politically organize and demonstrate skill, ability, and willingness to risk life and liberty in the defense of self and others.

    The only thing any kind of a psychotherapist will ever teach you to do is how to beg for pity and learn to live in the very small social space which the abusers have left.

    And the most dangerous thing about a psychotherapist is that they carry a government license. We must act to eliminate these licenses.

    A work in progress:
    https://sites.google.com/site/stompingthecockroach/

  • I agree with you Susan that the Libertarian Anti-Government movement is a problem. We have lots of people on this forum who go along with it, and so they don’t believe in child protection. They don’t seem to understand that approaching things there way, children become property, and live only at the whims of the parents.

  • Well, Capitalism works by making people feel at fault, that they have a duty to strive to get ahead, and that they have yet to prove their worthyness.

    The Mental Health / Recovery System works with Capitalism and with the Middle-Class Family. So children are exploited, and then sent to therapy and recovery to finish the process.

    So the first step in liberation is to see how this is working and how it has worked in one’s own life and to understand that it is not personal, that it is collective. Then the second step is to politically organize, and the third step is to take actions risking one’s life and liberty in the defense of self and others. This is how one restores their social and civil standing, their honor.

    https://www.bookmarksbookshop.co.uk/view/45353/Politics+Of+The+Mind%253A+Marxism+and+Mental+Distress

    Here on MIA we debate with white coats and with people who believe in psychotherapy and drugs. We should instead be taking actions to take down the mental health recovery system, and the middle-class family.

    https://www.amazon.com/Iain-Ferguson/e/B001HPLTUW

    “Hardly any of the ‘symptoms’ of psychological distress may correctly be seen as medical matters. The so-called psychiatric ‘disorders’ are nothing to do with faulty biology, nor indeed are they the outcome of individual moral weakness or other personal failing. They are the creation of the social world in which we live, and that world is structured by power.
    Social power may be defined as the means of obtaining security or advantage, and it will be exercised within any given society in a variety of forms: coercive (force), economic (money power) and ideological (the control of meaning). Power is the dynamic which keeps the social world in motion. It may be used for good or for ill.
    One cannot hope to understand the phenomena of psychological distress, nor begin to think what can be done about them, without an analysis of how power is distributed and exercised within society.”

    http://davidsmail.info/introfra.htm

    Saying that this is a Marxist approach, I think that means first of all recognizing that all human societies have been about class struggle.

    I think also this is about the normative power structures, Capitalism and the Middle-Class Family. The mental health / recovery system is the bully cop, the enforcer.

    And of course, I am a great admirer of Frantz Fanon.

    And why aren’t we here at MIA working to get people out of mental institutions, and even trying to lobby people to get off of drugs and to stop seeing therapists?

  • Stephen Gilbert, I don’t know where you live, but some areas of the US are more conformist than others. This goes way back and is usually tied to a religion of personal salvation seeking, and that was often operating alongside a system of slavery.

    But anyway, it is easier for people to admit to bogus personal defect than it is to indict and try to get reparations from abusers.

    And in all of this, the mental health system is a serious evil.

  • Not so, psychotherapy is by definition something based on changing the client, instead of fighting to redress injustice.

    So it is always true that the practice of psychotherapy is wrong.

    The minimum response to a psychotherapist should be the middle finger.

  • judybier, first of all, do not say therapy failed me. This did not happen, and I would never put myself into a position where one could say that that had happened. I am not a confessional pity seeker. I am a fighter, and just like in any other guerilla war, I protect and defend the privacy of my affairs.

    Psychotherapy is wrong because it is profiting off of the misery of others.

    And again, who is ‘not so bipolar’ or ‘not so autistic’ is not important, as not one should be taking advantage of people by asking then to disclose personal affairs.

    And again, depression, mania, autism, what ever, the answer is always the same, give that therapist the middle finger.

    And talking about the ‘clients state’ is just a way of putting the responsibility for the fact that they live in an unfair and abusive world back onto them. Again, the perfect remedy is the middle finger.

    We don’t need community psychotherapy centers, what we need is political organizing to punish abusers and obtain reparations for survivors, and to restore people’s social and civil standing, their honor.

    Psychotherapy and healing are just completely wrong headed approaches and should not be tolerated.

    It takes activism, a grassroots effort to refuse all psychotherapy, psychiatry, and recovery in all of their forms, and instead insist on and obtain penalties for perpetrators, reparations for survivors, and restoring of the social and civil standing of survivors.

    Steve Gilbert, I am glad that that time with that therapist went well for you, and based on what you say I can see why you value it.

    But there is a problem in that most people do not know that they should be extremely careful in what they disclose to a therapist, because that is how they transfer responsibility back onto the client.

    You may indeed have gained much from that therapist, but the reason for this is that they were not doing the things a psychotherapist does. This therapist had no need for a psychotherapy license, or for a shingle which said ‘psychotherapy’.

    We already have ‘Philosophical Councilors’, and that is completely open ended as to what it can be.

    But consider also, why do you need to go to someone’s office and pay them and confess to them. It is so very much like what religion does. If Western Religion were not such an abject failure, Freud would never have been able to get started.

    Political consciousness and political activism have to be the way. Work with groups of like minded and like interested persons, learn as you man the barricades and fight shoulder to shoulder. What gets people out of their heads is when they are taking risks to defend themselves and others.

    What terminates Uncle Tomism is simply the demonstrated ability to politically organize, and the willingness to take risks in defending ones self and others. This is what restores the public honor which the Mental Health System, the Recovery Movement, and Evangelical Religion are designed to take away.

    Bradford, rather than debating with White Coats, we need to have our own forum where we can plan and take actions, things which take down the mental health system, instead of giving it a forum by which to try and repackage itself.

    Judi from Canada, I am saddened to hear about what you have been through. Domestic violence and abuses are one of the most crippling things around. And then to hear that you have been disabled, greatly bothers me. And I can understand because I know of cases of domestic abuse where the legal system is not sufficiently protective and turns against the one demanding redress. Seems that judges and prosecutors also persecute those who appear to be out of compliance with the Self-Reliance Ethic. They are advancing Capitalism, Social Darwinims, and the Middle-Class Family. So the legal system turns into another round of violation and abuse.

    We need to make corrections to our legal system, and we need to make sure that our medical system does not itself turn into another round of abuse of survivors.

    I hope you have terminated all contact with the mental health system, with its drugs and with street drugs, and with any talk therapists, because such therapists will never really be on your side.

  • Remember, the Mental Health System and the Recovery Movement are rooted in the bogus sciences of Social Darwinism and Eugenics. These always work by destroying your honor, nullifying your biography and your personhood. They throw you into an untouchable cast.

    The only ways of restoring public honor are by demonstrating the ability to politically organize, and by demonstrating the willingness to take risks in the defense of self and others.

    Except for the last year of his life, Martin Luther King Jr. was misunderstanding Gandhi and making an unlimited pledge of non-violence. MLK was an Uncle Tom.

    MindFreedom has followed this. We must reject MindFreedom.

  • Dr. Breggin, Thank you for your article and for this new clarity about what these psychiatric chemicals really are.

    But what should we do about it? Myself, especially for those doctors who are giving these drugs to children, I want to see them prosecuted in the International Court for Crimes Against Humanity. But how do we get there?

    As I see it there are the following problems:

    1. Most neurotoxin prescriptions are being given out by psychologists and psychotherapists, not psychiatrists. These psychologists and psychotherapists want this prescription capability because it adds to their professional status, and to their fees.

    2. The vast majority of psychiatric medicine is being taken voluntarily. It seems to have the same appeals as do street drugs and alcohol.

    3. If someone is endorsing talk therapy, then they are also part of the same pattern of lies. They are saying that the distress a client may feel originates in and is solved by massaging their own thinking, not by the much harder effort of politically organizing and effecting political change. So if you say talk therapy could help, then prescription or street chemicals presumably could too. So could electro-shock and lobotomy. So could euthanasia.

    4. What I see on the ground is that they use these chemicals to manage the poor. They see any signs of agitation or anger as a malady to be corrected.

    5. Some posting here on MIA also seem to see it this way, fixing people in the name of ~~mental health~~.

    6. And then there are those who champion street drugs, like methamphetamine, LSD, and marijuana, and they seem to believe that a person is improved by these, rather than seeing that all these are is a tune out. They call them an ‘event’, not an addictive habit, but they don’t seem to realize is that that is still an escape, opening for them a door of non-engagement.

    The only things which restore someone’s public honor is a demonstrated ability to publicly organize, and a displayed willingness to take personal risks in acting to protect ones self and others.

    The mental health movement is rooted in the bogus sciences of social Darwinism and eugenics, and these work by destroying ones public honor.

    So we need to make some plans and take some actions. As I see it, you cannot be anti-psychiatry or anti-psychiatric neurotoxins unless you are also against talk therapy and against street drugs.

    https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1970/dope.htm

  • ^^^^^^ Agreed!

    And something I just sent to a friend in email which may be of interest:

    I have no objection to disability money being paid out. I think such payouts should be expanded in scope and quantity. We are in the latest stage of industrialization. But our politics is completely driven by scapgoating the poor, plus minorities and immigrants. We are dividing into a two tier society. Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, and the Recovery Movement are simply resurgences of the bogus sciences of Social Darwinism and Eugenics. If we expect our democracy to continue, then we absolutely have to move to Social Democracy.

    But I am very critical of disability identities. And generally I feel that access to disability payments is being used to coerce people who are already marginalized into accepting a disability identity. No one should be subjected to such coercion. And in my observation the disability identities are usually flimsy and more the product of abuse, injustice, and social marginalization. Accepting such an identity merely exonerates perpetrators.

    It will never change so long as people ask for pity. Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, The Recovery Movement, and Born Again Christianity are all based on pity seeking. Things will only change when people organize and start fighting back.

    There is one thing and one thing only which ended slavery in this country, the fact that 180,000 black men refused to be Uncle Tom’s, and instead trained with rifles and bayonets and served in federal uniform. If this had not been so, we would still be practicing slavery today.

  • Dr. Timimi, I am now reading your book edited with Rebecca Mallett, and Katherine Runswick-Cole
    Re-Thinking Autism: Diagnosis, Identity and Equality
    https://www.amazon.com/Re-Thinking-Autism-Diagnosis-Identity-Equality-ebook/dp/B01F2HV7D4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1515969324&sr=8-1&keywords=sami+timimi+autism

    Almost everything we are told about mental health and disabilities is philosophically defective at core, worthless rubbish. I thank you for working to correct this.

    And something I just sent to a friend in email which may be of interest:

    I have no objection to disability money being paid out. I think such payouts should be expanded in scope and quantity. We are in the latest stage of industrialization. But our politics is completely driven by scapgoating the poor, plus minorities and immigrants. We are dividing into a two tier society. Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, and the Recovery Movement are simply resurgences of the bogus sciences of Social Darwinism and Eugenics. If we expect our democracy to continue, then we absolutely have to move to Social Democracy.

    But I am very critical of disability identities. And generally I feel that access to disability payments is being used to coerce people who are already marginalized into accepting a disability identity. No one should be subjected to such coercion. And in my observation the disability identities are usually flimsy and more the product of abuse, injustice, and social marginalization. Accepting such an identity merely exonerates perpetrators.

    It will never change so long as people ask for pity. Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, The Recovery Movement, and Born Again Christianity are all based on pity seeking. Things will only change when people organize and start fighting back.

    There is one thing and one thing only which ended slavery in this country, the fact that 180,000 black men refused to be Uncle Tom’s, and instead trained with rifles and bayonets and served in federal uniform. If this had not been so, we would still be practicing slavery today.

  • Pat, I have worked to get all of the intoxicants out of my life. And along with this I consider Christianity, that Pie In The Sky, the Opiate of the Masses. The only ones which remain are sugar and caffeine, and I know that I have a problem and that each of these alone causes diabetes.

    This treatise, written decades ago, expresses my view about drugs:
    https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1970/dope.htm

    And something I just sent to a friend in email which may be of interest:

    I have no objection to disability money being paid out. I think such payouts should be expanded in scope and quantity. We are in the latest stage of industrialization. But our politics is completely driven by scapgoating the poor, plus minorities and immigrants. We are dividing into a two tier society. Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, and the Recovery Movement are simply resurgences of the bogus sciences of Social Darwinism and Eugenics. If we expect our democracy to continue, then we absolutely have to move to Social Democracy.

    But I am very critical of disability identities. And generally I feel that access to disability payments is being used to coerce people who are already marginalized into accepting a disability identity. No one should be subjected to such coercion. And in my observation the disability identities are usually flimsy and more the product of abuse, injustice, and social marginalization. Accepting such an identity merely exonerates perpetrators.

    It will never change so long as people ask for pity. Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, The Recovery Movement, and Born Again Christianity are all based on pity seeking. Things will only change when people organize and start fighting back.

    There is one thing and one thing only which ended slavery in this country, the fact that 180,000 black men refused to be Uncle Tom’s, and instead trained with rifles and bayonets and served in federal uniform. If this had not been so, we would still be practicing slavery today.

  • Daniel Smith, if I wanted your well wishing I would have asked for it. I don’t.

    The last thing we need are people who want to use drugs and go off and contemplate their navels, or try and claim that drugs gives them some privileged POV.

    This treatise, written decades ago, expresses my view about drugs:
    https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1970/dope.htm

    Something I just sent to a friend in email which may be of interest:

    I have no objection to disability money being paid out. I think such payouts should be expanded in scope and quantity. We are in the latest stage of industrialization. But our politics is completely driven by scapgoating the poor, plus minorities and immigrants. We are dividing into a two tier society. Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, and the Recovery Movement are simply resurgences of the bogus sciences of Social Darwinism and Eugenics. If we expect our democracy to continue, then we absolutely have to move to Social Democracy.

    But I am very critical of disability identities. And generally I feel that access to disability payments is being used to coerce people who are already marginalized into accepting a disability identity. No one should be subjected to such coercion. And in my observation the disability identities are usually flimsy and more the product of abuse, injustice, and social marginalization. Accepting such an identity merely exonerates perpetrators.

    It will never change so long as people ask for pity. Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, The Recovery Movement, and Born Again Christianity are all based on pity seeking. Things will only change when people organize and start fighting back.

    There is one thing and one thing only which ended slavery in this country, the fact that 180,000 black men refused to be Uncle Tom’s, and instead trained with rifles and bayonets and served in federal uniform. If this had not been so, we would still be practicing slavery today.

  • Of course this is just the modern version of lobotomy. So we must fight this and demonstrate proficient use of ANY AND ALL AVAILABLE MEANS! Either we act, or they carve on our brains.

    Something I just sent to a friend in email which may be of interest:

    I have no objection to disability money being paid out. I think such payouts should be expanded in scope and quantity. We are in the latest stage of industrialization. But our politics is completely driven by scapgoating the poor, plus minorities and immigrants. We are dividing into a two tier society. Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, and the Recovery Movement are simply resurgences of the bogus sciences of Social Darwinism and Eugenics. If we expect our democracy to continue, then we absolutely have to move to Social Democracy.

    But I am very critical of disability identities. And generally I feel that access to disability payments is being used to coerce people who are already marginalized into accepting a disability identity. No one should be subjected to such coercion. And in my observation the disability identities are usually flimsy and more the product of abuse, injustice, and social marginalization. Accepting such an identity merely exonerates perpetrators.

    It will never change so long as people ask for pity. Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, The Recovery Movement, and Born Again Christianity are all based on pity seeking. Things will only change when people organize and start fighting back.

    There is one thing and one thing only which ended slavery in this country, the fact that 180,000 black men refused to be Uncle Tom’s, and instead trained with rifles and bayonets and served in federal uniform. If this had not been so, we would still be practicing slavery today.

  • Vesper, certainly Psychiatry, Psychoanalysis, Psychotherapy, and the Recovery Movement, are horrid developments and we should oppose or abolish them. If you are hearing negative things from any of these sourced, terminate that connection. If you have any kind of a connection to any of these sources, terminate that connection.

    I want to point out though that one of the original reasons for the popularity of Freud and Psychoanalysis is that as opposed to religion, it seemed to accept sexuality and a more animal sourced view of humanity. So people took to it.

    Now today the world is very different. But I’m going to refrain from making any further comment on your thesis.

    As Psychoanalysis was more open to human sexuality than religion was, it also is predicated on religion’s theory of Original Sin, some innate defect.

    And so today, Psychiatry, Psychoanalysis, Psychotherapy, and the Recovery Movement are all designed to teach passivity and self loathing in the face of an unjust and abusive world. We need to act to put a stop to these things as best we can. Can’t really outlaw voluntary stupidity, but there are still things which can be done.

    A Work In Progress
    https://sites.google.com/site/stompingthecockroach/

  • Judy, what you say makes tremendous sense, but unfortunately because the therapist is asking you to make personal disclosures when they have done nothing to prove that they are really on your side, it is even worse than what you describe.

    “The Original Sin, is denying God…not therapists. I’d never “submit” to a therapist. If a therapist requires “submission”…a client should leave that person’s care, immediately.”

    The therapist is in fact insisting that you submit. For one thing, anything you say to the therapist could be repeated directly to law enforcement. For another thing, the therapist is a therapist because they are committed to the proposition that the solution to problems lies within you.

    Imagine this, a victim goes to a police station to report that they were just raped. What she hears is, “You came to the right place. We have therapists on duty around the clock to help people just like yourself learn that the remedy is inside of yourself and that you don’t need to go through life being angry and a trouble maker, and that you just need to be more careful about how you dress and about situations. We don’t want you to be angry.”

    That is in fact how it used to be done. Well in the Psychotherapist’s Office it is still being done that way. Though many will be more careful about how they phrase it.

    “The practice of Psychotherapy is wrong because it is profiting off of other people’s misery.”
    https://www.amazon.com/Against-Therapy-J-Moussaieff-Masson/dp/1567510221/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1515629126&sr=1-1&keywords=jeffrey+masson+against+therapy

    A Work In Progress
    https://sites.google.com/site/stompingthecockroach/

  • Daniel, you are missing something big time. I have been around people who use drugs and swear by them for my entire life.

    You judge the tree by the fruit it bears. That idea that you have to use drugs to see this fruit is an absurdity. You could try to argue for anything if you allow such fallacy.

    People who use drugs are not better at vanquishing foes than people who do not use them.

    Vanquishing foes is how survivors restore their honor, so that they can again have a biography again.

    So lets say I am helping to write the briefs for a civil suit for a law suit against a psychotherapist. Do I want the guy who uses drugs and believes in them on my team? No way. I want the guy who is committed to staying clean and intense and kicking ass.

    So professional process servers say that divorce cases are the most dangerous. Well once we can get people to start suing their parents, that will be even more dangerous. Do I want the druggie as my backup? Hell no, I want the guy who is committed to feeling his feelings and staying straight.

    And how about capturing a Psychiatrist who has jumped bail? The druggie as my backup? No, the guy who is 100% committed to staying straight.

    And how about if I am on the barricades? The druggie who talks and talks like oldhead? No, I want the guy at my side to be the guy who stays straight, because I know that he will be more effective.

    Right now it is just words, but soon it should be going to lawyers, and we need ones who are straight at all times and committed to kicking ass.

    I helped a DA get a conviction on a Pentecostal daughter molester. I am glad that she did not use drugs. But the defendant did.

  • But Steve that is of course the lie. For one thing it is very unlikely that the therapist has any real solidarity with the client. Most of the time the therapist is quite well off, as well as educated and articulate. A highly marginalized client will usually have none of this.

    And then for people who are highly marginalized the answer should be becoming a revolutionary. Being an outside they have no stake in the present order. Very different if they should have the misfortune of discussing their affairs with a therapist. Said therapist is only going to teach them how to become an Uncle Tom. And the end result is that the client is the one who is wrong, because of their refusal to submit and refusal to live the lies.

    Here is a fictionalized account of revolutionary consciousness raising:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1PmnZ9hejw&feature=youtu.be&t=24m42s

    A Psychotherapist is never going to do this, promote conflict and actions to restore one’s social and civil standing by vanquishing foes. No, the therapist collaborates with abusers and supports them, because he is one of them.

    We need to start teaching people to defend themselves against therapists, and especially children.

    Most of the time the marginalization starts in the middle-class family, because it exists only to abuse and exploit children, and this is because the middle-class lives in Bad Faith:
    http://www.iep.utm.edu/sartre-ex/#SH4b

    People need to learn and change things about their lives by working with comrades, shoulder to shoulder, and by achieving victories, because this is the only way one restores their social and civil standing, their honor.

    I did much to restore my honor by helping to get a Pentecostal daughter molester convicted and sentenced. But now I need to do more, work with comrades, instead of the DA.

  • But this problem is also built into the core of Psychotherapy. The therapist has an agenda, otherwise they could not possibly be a therapist unless they went along with it. The client must submit to the world the way it is, and renounce any possibility of striking back against violators in any way. The client must accept that their problems are primarily the result of their own errors in living, Original Sin.

    A Work In Progress
    https://sites.google.com/site/stompingthecockroach/

  • Missy and Skylar, you should have no need to ask for acceptance. That is the door way by which Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, and the Recovery Movement prey upon people.

    We must organize and not worry about acceptance, but instead just make sure we prevail against any and all who try to get in our ways.

  • jclaude,
    Psychiatry and Psychotherapy exist because the practitioners don’t want to feel their own pain. They find that they can claim an adult identity just by proselytizing for their own denial systems.

    “The practice of psychotherapy is wrong because it is profiting from other people’s misery.”
    https://www.amazon.com/Against-Therapy-J-Moussaieff-Masson/dp/1567510221/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1515618574&sr=1-4

    I want to see Psychiatrists prosecuted for Crimes Against Humanity.

    And for those who are giving mind altering drugs to children, they should receive the ultimate sentence.

    And for those who serve as Fix-My-Kid doctors, a standard feature of the middle-class family, they are violating mandatory reporting, a felony.

    I want to organize street level demonstrations to encourage affidavits and lawsuits against Psychiatrists and Psychotherapists, and I want Psychotherapists to be delicensed, as those licenses protect the therapists and perpetrators, not the clients.

    And I want to terminate all gov’t run Recovery Programs, like those in prisons and those run by county public health departments, and the use of these by the courts.

    And I want to teach children to invoke the power of citizens arrest when ever faced with a psychiatrist or psychotherapist, and give them a card with a number to call for adults who will immediately come to the site to back them up. Some activists have already done something like this for school corporal punishment.

    A work in progress:
    https://sites.google.com/site/stompingthecockroach/

  • Dr. Timimi, I want to thank you for your book, “The Myth of Autism”.

    My own view is that such myths persist because most of the time they are being applied to children, and children usually are not prepared to do the things they would have to in order to defend themselves against adults. Its that and because people are attracted to denial of their own experience, and so such a myth provides them a way of exonerating perpetrators.

    Most of the time these disability labels amount to pity seeking, and hence they are a severe trap.

  • No, the whole profession is devoted to making people believe that THEY HAVE A PROBLEM, and to renounce seeking redress in any form.

    You do not want, “acceptance” from such, or from anyone else who is not a proven comrade in efforts to obtain redress.

  • LittleTurtle, no you do not have any psychological problem. You have just lived in a very manipulative world. That you have been convinced that you have a ~~~psychological problem~~~ is but one of the more extreme manifestations of this.

    Finding what caused these breakdowns may take time and it will be hard, but you have to do it.

  • Well, I encourage you to keep on fighting. The mental heath and recovery system will always try to make you personalize and internalize problems, rather than fight to hold abusers responsible, and rather than fighting against the societal injustices upon which our society is built.

    To make real progress though, we are going to have to organize. Mental health and recovery stand in the way of this.

  • Why would we ever want anything like this? Social Recovery, all that means is Social Conformity.

    Depression and psychosis, sometimes the unresolved issues in someones life just get the better of them. The last thing they need tough are the denial systems of therapy or recovery. They need to work for justice, and to do that they have to become politically conscious.

    We need to organize and oppose this Social Recovery.

  • Then we all must act against Psychiatry, Psychotherapy and the Recovery Movement.

    Here on this forum there is a lot of debate, and many of its ‘authors’ are perpetrators trying to present themselves as other wise. We must make a new forum and agree on some sorts of actions on the ground, and then carry these out.

  • Missy and Skylar, I like your article and what you are saying. But I still have to take exception to it. It sounds like you are pleading for acceptance.

    Yes, Psychiatry harms people in a myriad of ways. Anytime anyone discloses anything of their personal life to a psychotherapists, they are inviting denigration, as that therapist will always turn your experience of injustice into a medical problem and a self improvement project.

    So we must never present ourselves as pleading for acceptance, really pleading for pity. Rather, we must organize and present ourselves AS A SELF DEFENDING COHORT, people who it would be very unwise to mess with.

  • Dahlia, I am sorry you had that experience, but these things do happen. I hope that you can remove yourself from all psychiatric facilities, throw away all medication, and never see any psychotherapists.

    Please, instead get involved in efforts to eradicate Psychiatry, Psychotherapy, and the Recovery Movement, and in efforts to hold parents and other perpetrators responsible.

  • Oldhead, It’s not too many decades ago that Germany got itself handed a new constitution. One of the provisions is the enforcement of Crimes Against Humanity in the International Court. Even NGO’s can make indictments, and they don’t expire. Donald Rumsfeld and George W. Bush, each indicted for war crimes, and this does not ever expire. Won’t be seeing them at Oktober Fest anytime soon.

    It was a Spanish judge who indicted Pinochet, and in the UK they debated whether or not they could arrest Benedict the 16th for his role in covering up child sexual molestation when he was Archbishop for Munich.

    We should try Germany first.

    But also, we should be protesting at County Hospitals, because that is where poor people are kept on drugs.

    And we should be protesting at some suburban Psychotherapist Offices, because that is where the Fix My Kid doctors work, and some of these still advertise on MIA.

    Very few would be able to stand up to vigorous street protests, with large signs and names and pictures.

    Oldhead, your so called anti-psychiatry is just grumblings.

    It is time instead for people who want to take action. Gandhi’s satyagraha means applying pressure. It is not pacifism. The practitioners take the same sorts of risks as do armed guerillas.

  • What this sounds like is the rise of the Fix My Kid Autism doctors, promoting the untrue idea that there is something known as austism, and getting parents to send their kids to being lab rats.

    Neurotribes, a book with much wrong, but still some right, by Steve Silberman.

    So instead of treating the whole person, HOW ABOUT STAYING AWAY FROM PEOPLE AND LEAVING THEM ALONE.

    If you folks were doing these sorts of things without a license, then I’d just dial 911 and have you arrested.

    The license is the problem. We must not continue to allow our government to issue such licenses.

  • Politics is what decides whether or not the parents of a rambunctious or non-confirming child can take him to a fix-my-kid doctor, or whether that would entail severe legal consequences for both the parents and the doctor.

    Politics is what decides whether we send people with legitimate grievances to doctors, or to attorney’s who can help restore their rights and social and civil standing.

    When one takes to the therapist’s office, its because they have already given up. That therapist’s couch is just like a confessional. One is seeking absolution, not justice.

  • Remember, in Nuremberg they said they were following orders. Eichmann would say that he was following the law.

    Personally I would be more than happy to eradicate the entire mental health system all by myself. But it is better if we do it through the International Court.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_principles#The_principles

    The most important thing is that we stop debating and stop using things like drugs, therapy, and recovery to tune out, and instead find places to act, and then do so.

    Psychotherapists can already be sued. Parents can be sued. Local governments run hospitals and recovery programs. They can be pressured into stopping this.