Thursday, October 19, 2017

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  • “undermine the drug approval process”

    How in the world can they ‘Undermine’ a process that’s little more than in your face, million dollar plus per approval, PDUFA bribes?

    “it would be devastating for drug safety”

    What drug safety? Look at the U.S, Govt’s decision/non-intervention regarding the Free Speech Rights of drug co. sales reps.

    http://www.reedsmith.com/files/uploads/DrugDeviceLawBlog/Solis_DoJ_brf.pdf

    Side Effects? We don’t care if you just make it up as you go to make the sale.

  • B;

    While I’m in no wise ready to give the Bush II people complete absolution, the use of military force is more complex than condemnation of it under all circumstances.

    http://controversialtimes.com/news/breaking-isis-supporters-behead-23-people-with-chainsaws/

    This current Middle East mess can hardly be laid entirely in their lap.

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/222483-report-isis-has-executed-over-200-people-every-month-in-syria-over-last-10-months/

    As for Vietnam, it was the peace movement which surrendered the South Vietnamese to horrifically murderous purges and decades of barbaric totalitarianism for decades by forcing U.S. withdrawal from the country.

    North Vietnam – the proxy and satellite of Communist China – was on the verge of collapse and capitulation when the anti-war movement in America pulled us out.

  • Government has already taken steps to insure that you need not ever even Think again, much less Worry about such issues.

    The FCC has voted For Net Neutrality.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rudy-takala/fcc-commissioner-feds-may-come-drudge

    Our centers of higher learning are more concerned with teaching political correctness to students than any ability to critically analyze and re-synthesize information.

    http://campusreform.org

    Follow the money as it buys the votes.

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2014/07/ucsf-is-1-top-grossing-public-hospital.html

    Follow the money as it buys the FDA.

    http://www.fda.gov/ForIndustry/UserFees/PrescriptionDrugUserFee/ucm152775.htm

    Bloggers will be hard pressed to even stay on line, much less ‘Save Science’ once the FCC takeover of the internet cuts teeth and starts charging them for making ‘campaign contributions in like kind’ for their expressing their likes and dislikes of particular candidates.

  • Mr Blankenship;

    “perhaps they can come up with a disorder for non-nostalgia, too, just to even things out a bit”

    Wouldn’t doubt it for an instant.

    The DSM IV listed both nicotine dependance and nicotine withdrawal as mental disorders.

    You were nutz if you smoked and nutz if you were trying to quit.

    DSM BILLING CODE 292.0 Nicotine Dependence
    DSM BILLING CODE 305.10 Nicotine Withdrawal

  • Dr Maisel;

    Thanks for getting right to the point. Great post.

    May I suggest an 11th erroneous assumption which is near universally held?

    And that being, that Any of this Industry’s doings are even legal to begin with.

    14th Amendment US Constitution.

    Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Due Process and Equal Protection are violated with every disabling Diagnosis so long as certain groups of people, by virtue of employment status, are granted special legislative carve outs protecting them from Psychiatry.

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search/label/California%20Diversion%20Programs

    And perhaps a 12th too.

    Excusing the homicides the Industry knowingly sells as ‘Side Effects’ is also a misconception. They know full well what they’re doing.

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2012/05/us-18c95-sec-1958-skull-at-banquet.html

  • Dr. Lawhern;

    “Why hasn’t anyone yet sued National Institutes for Mental Health (NIMH) or the American Psychiatric Association (APA) on the same grounds?”

    You may find the U.S. Govt. response to PhRMA’s assertion that off-label marketing in and of itself is Not prohibited by Law so long as it remains verbal in nature, to be illustrative.

    [My suggestion would be to return both the FCA and FDCA to Congress for fixing]

    While the Govt. found this claim preposterous, the Govt. refused to Do anything about it.

    http://www.reedsmith.com/files/uploads/DrugDeviceLawBlog/Solis_DoJ_brf.pdf

    Sound familiar to the NIMH and APA still pushing chemical imbalances?

    [And I’d also suggest that these chemical imbalances be turned over to Congress for express prohibition, but I’m afraid that K Street will see to it that that never makes it out of the starting blocks.]

  • Our entire legal system is contributing to the same problem here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutic_jurisprudence

    “The approach was soon applied to the way various legal actors–judges, lawyers, police officers, and expert witnesses—play their roles, suggesting ways of doing so that would diminish unintended antitherapeutic consequences and increase the psychological well-being of those who come into contact with these legal figures. ”

    The idea of judges, lawyers, police officers and expert witness playing at being psychiatrists ought to set off alarm bells all over America.

  • “potentially impeding the progress of research on antipsychotic efficacy,”

    Efficacy? What Efficacy?

    This is the VA.

    http://www.mirecc.va.gov/visn3/education.asp

    Algorithms:
    A review of existing algorithms, including VA National Guidelines, APA, the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP), and PORT was conducted. After careful consideration, a modified version of TMAP was selected, and named the New Jersey Algorithm.

    The sequence includes two trials of atypical antipsychotics followed by a Clozaril trial. If no favorable response is observed, a third atypical neuroleptic is tried, followed by a typical neuroleptic, followed by a combination of antipsychotic medications. The consensus of the internal advisory committee was to provide a flexible algorithm that will allow for minor modifications as new research is disseminated. Though a positive outcome has not been observed with the NJ Algorithm to date, researchers suspect that a larger sample size might generate significant findings in the future.

    “Though a positive outcome has not been observed ”

    This is the last summation of the size of the VA itself I have on hand.

    The Department of Veterans Affairs, through the Veterans
    Health Administration (VHA), operates a system
    comprising 153 medical centers, 882 ambulatory care
    and community-based outpatient clinics, 207 Vet Centers,
    136 nursing homes, 45 residential rehabilitation
    treatment programs, and 92 comprehensive home-based
    care programs—all providing medical and related services
    to eligible veterans. Those facilities provide inpatient
    hospital care, outpatient care, laboratory services, pharmaceutical
    dispensing, rehabilitation for a variety of disabilities and conditions,
    mental health counseling, and custodial care. VHA facilities employ
    about 200,000 fulltime-equivalent employees, including over
    13,000 physicians and nearly 55,000 nurses.

    All of that, and no positive outcome no matter which drugs they use, singly or in combination.

    “potentially impeding the progress of research on antipsychotic efficacy,”

    Notice the way it’s parsed.

    The VA isn’t addressing the actual efficacy of these drugs.

    They’re addressing the “progress of research” on them, or in plain English; How much longer can they continue to bamboozle the public into supporting their quest for funding “efficacy”.

  • Govt. demonstrates its superior logic yet again.

    On Jan 16, 1919 Congress prohibited alcohol with the 18th amendment to socially engineer a behavior which busybodies at large found distasteful.

    Criminals moved in supplying alcohol, gave us the roaring twenties, and built huge organized crime empires on the profits.

    On dec 5, 1933, Congress belatedly realized the foolishness of the 18th and repealed it with the 21st Amendment.

    However, we were still stuck with those organized crime families which had become so rich and powerful from bootlegging that Congress later passed the Federal Racketeering Statutes to deal with them.

    Today we’re seeing the results of a decades long tax it to social engineer it sales pitch on cigarettes in NYC.

    Rand Paul Blames Death of Eric Garner on High NYC Cigarette Tax.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/politics/rand-paul-eric-garner-taxes/index.html

    Raising Taxes on cigarettes in NYC, to control behaviors, has a long, and ugly history of creating violent crime.
    http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa468.pdf

    But at least the CDC is on the case.

  • Hi Steve;

    They must have figured that since the FDA gets away with it why shouldn’t they?

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10000872396390443571904577631883702006726

    “FDA Commissioner Dr. Margaret A. Hamburg has emphasized the agency’s efforts to speed approval of innovative medicines.”

    Lots of money in “speeding approval” at FDA. Lots.

    http://www.fda.gov/ForIndustry/UserFees/PrescriptionDrugUserFee/ucm152775.htm

  • Hi Boans.

    Let’s see what happens in a country where it’s practically impossible for people who aren’t Govt. to own guns.

    Communist China:

    China Sentences 3 Muslim Terrorists To Death, 1 To Life In Jail, In Knife Attack That Left 31 Dead, 141 Injured.

    http://weaselzippers.us/199611-china-sentences-3-muslim-terrorists-to-death-1-to-life-in-jail-in-knife-attack-that-left-31-dead-141-injured/

    Let’s have a look at “Assault Weapons” pose too great a threat to allow non-Govt. types to own them. too:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/09/14/NYT-Assault-Weapons-A-Myth-Democrats-Created-In-1990s

    As opposed to How many needless deaths attributed directly to medicine?

    http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

    This fully referenced report shows the number of people having in-hospital, adverse reactions to prescribed drugs to be 2.2 million per year. The number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections is 20 million per year. The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million per year. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million per year.

    The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart disease in 2001 was 699,697, while the number of deaths attributable to cancer was 553,251.5)

  • I once saw a movie where only the police and military were allowed to have guns.

    It was called Schindler’s List.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/07/The-Trivialization-of-SWAT

    And I’d appreciate it if you could cite a study which has actually succeeded in its attempt to discredit Professor John Lot’s work.

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/177-1698894-0057861?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=More+Guns+Less+Crime

  • Mr. Wipond;

    IF I had a critique, it would extend no further than your inclusion of the Question mark on your title. Thank you for this post.

    Suicidal Ideations By The Numbers: Counseling Is WORSE Than Zoloft.http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2010/11/suicidal-ideations-by-numbers.html

    Talk Therapy Can Cause Harm Too by Jill Littrell P.hD.
    https://www.madinamerica.com/2013/06/when-talk-therapy-can-cause-harm/

    And if That doesn’t do it for you, let’s Really go to town with Dialectical Behavioral Therapy.
    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2011/10/san-franciscos-dbt-communism-swallow-it.html

  • @E.Silly;

    “I’m sorry, but Bachmann is her own caricature.”

    I did watch your youtube link, and regardless of the interviewers “Gotcha” journalism on the gay marriage issue, I found a great deal more solace in her insistence that people in her Administration would have to Support The Constitution, Which, Would actually Solve most of the problems if not All of the problems the Mental Health field has created.

    Now,

    http://bachmann.house.gov/adoption

    “As the mother of 23 foster children, I am committed to the improvement and support of America’s adoption and foster care systems until every orphan and foster child has a loving and secure home. ”

    23 Foster children.

    How many people – regardless of being ambushed as a homophobe on Meet The Press – or in any other walk of life, can top that?

    Is investing the time and energy to raise 23 Foster Children the act of an irrational, “Hater”, a caricature?

  • Mr Rüdinger;

    I suggest you research American Senators Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and Rand Paul through the drudgereport.com, thehill.com, CNSNews.com, townhall.com, humanevents.com, and weaselzippers.us for a more factual tally of their actions and motivations.

    “the Tea Party denies climate change is caused by manmade emission of green house gasses”

    Junkscience.com
    Climatedepot.com

    They deny it because that position is factually correct.

    “The Tea Party is largely funded by the Koch Brothers whose interests have quickly become an integral part of the Tea Party’s agenda just like Big Pharma’s interests has become an integral part of psychiatric science.”

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2014/07/afscme-drops-support-for-united-negro.html

    I fail to see how donating $25 Million to the United Negro College Fund is in any way similar to Psychiatry being Pharma’s marketing Dept.

    “Like the Tea Party uses Fox News to distribute their theories about the problems in American society and economy, psychiatry uses medical journals to spread their biological explanations and justify the extreme use of psychotropics.”

    The Tea Party stands for smaller, less expensive and less intrusive Govt. With this current Administration putting us $5 Trillion deeper in debt – in 2011 alone this Administration issued a staggering $216 Billion in new ‘You can’t do this, you can’t do that’ Regulations – Tea Party theories about reducing the scope of Govt. are not mere theories.

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2013/01/in-2011-obama-regime-issued-216-billion.html

    Do you find anything “Extreme” about that?

    Pharma has only one theory: ‘Increase Share Holder Value’ no matter what the cost to Society. Psych/Pharma is a huge part of that Debt through SSDI payouts and their ongoing decimation of the workforce/productive sector.

    Fox News is a business. If its consumers didn’t want what Fox Broadcasts Fox wouldn’t have trounced NBC and MSNBC in the ratings for a consecutive 146 months. If Fox allowed itself to be “Used” the way MSNBC allows itself to be “Used”, Fox wouldn’t be as big as it is.

    Are your local news sources relying on MSNBC?

    http://weaselzippers.us/194826-msnbcs-ratings-tank-in-july-lowest-ratings-in-nearly-a-decade/

    Do your local news sources ever have anything to report about Billionaire Tom Steyer, funding the American Left? And if not, why not? They apparently feel quite free to bash the Koch’s.

    http://weaselzippers.us/186753-harry-reid-after-railing-against-the-kochs-we-need-people-like-leftist-billionaire-tom-steyer-pumping-a-100-million-into-lib-causes/

    “Substitute the bible with DSM and the way of arguing is stunningly alike.”

    Psychiatry has nothing to do with the Bible or Creationism. Psychiatry/Psychology is Humanism: “Good Without A God”.

    Humanism is Godless because to institute its Utopia the State itself must replace God despite the historical record that every time that God of endless Bureaucrats has been tried it manifests the mind and motivations of whatever possessed Linda Blair in The Exorcist.

    Personally, I’d welcome daily knocks on my door from Scripture quoting Little Old Ladies passing out the Watchtower over the Socialist mess we’re groaning under in America today in a heartbeat. Dismiss the Bible if you like but those Watchtower Ladies aren’t trying to lobotomize you simply for dirty money.

    I find it revelatory that you chose the Bible as an example of a way of arguing to bash the DSM. Why not the Quran? It’s Safe to ridicule Christians. Not so Safe to ridicule Muslims, huh? What’s it like on that front in your country? Does your Govt. cite you for Hate Speech? Or do you just run the risk of being murdered in broad daylight?

    “While the Tea Party at least denies obvious facts to hold on to their beliefs”

    Do you have examples beyond Man Made Climate Change which is Politically Agendized, Wealth Redistribution? And even if it weren’t, the Cure is worse than the Disease because it would only hobble the economies of 1st world nations which already produce far less Green House gasses than Socialist/Communist China.

    While I have seen more than one report/editorial here with which I take exception, I usually pass on engaging the author’s misconceptions as an exercise in futility.

    However, this particular piece does MIA and the Survivor Movement itself a disservice: creating an aura of disbelief in the cupidity of Survivors: ‘Perhaps Psychiatry really Does know what’s best for “Those People” if this piece is a serious yardstick of what goes on in their minds.

  • They’re just looking for more public money. Pretend to care so that when they submit Grant Applications to NIH and others, IF, they find themselves faced with questions by Congress somewhere down the road, they’ll have their pre-published badge of:

    “See? We CARE. We’re AWARE, and we’re working on it. Now give us another 10 Billion or we won’t be able to continue to work on it.”

  • Thank You Dr Gøtzsche.

    Most of the Psych/Pharma Courtroom hub-bub over the last decade has concerned off-label marketing.

    Did you get to read Alex Gorsky’s deposition?

    Loved the way Gorsky tried to parse his way around the off-label issue.

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2012/09/deposed-prolactin-gynecomastia-gorksy.html

    As to why Doctors do what they do, . . . it’s just plain old fashioned CYA. They’ve got a lot of money and a lot of time invested in buying their work ticket. State mandated medication menus must be obeyed and when the patient ends up crippled or dead, they, their billing services, their hospitals, their Universities all have more Lawyers and Money than the patient or the patient’s surviving relatives.

    In Arkansas it only took the jury 3.5 hrs to return a $1.25 Billion verdict against J&J. And as I understand the Ark Supreme CT ‘s overturning of that verdict, an amicus brief submitted on behalf of J&J advanced the argument that it was the Doctors and not J&J who submitted the actual bills to the State’s medicaid fund, (after the Doctors sold Risperdal based upon information about Risperdal supplied to them BY J&J) so J&J wasn’t responsible.

    Iincomprehensible reversals of the Hypocratic Oath?

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2012/07/hospitals-report-only-1-of-patient-harm.html

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2013/01/98-of-hospital-patients-unaware-of.html

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2011/04/drunkenhung-over-physicians-in-surgery.html

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2012/03/hospital-workers-dont-report-86-of.html

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2011/04/drunkenhung-over-physicians-in-surgery.html

    It’s CYA.

  • And is this the 1st time the shortened length of telomeres has been documented?

    If so, is anyone interested in a small wager that subsequent telomere measurers will have difficulty in replicating this study’s findings?

    And Who got the bill for this shortened Telomere investigation?

  • Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun control ordinances in America.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=chicago%28%22gun+control%22%29weaselzippers&gbv=2&oq=chicago%28%22gun+control%22%29weaselzippers&gs_l=heirloom-hp.3…316.15093.0.15557.35.23.1.9.0.0.726.4526.0j1j4j4j3j0j1.13.0….0…1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp..22.13.4195.WU2nZf50DII&safe=active

    They don’t prevent gun violence, they cause it.

    Granted, there are people in the pro-2nd Amendment arena who are only too happy to toss people who’ve been psychiatrically labeled/drugged/shocked out of the sleigh/scapegoat them.

    80 Million Americans own guns. Espousing gun bans is not going to make those 80 Million more sympathetic to the plight of people who’ve been psychiatrized.

    If people in this movement want at the very least, an open ear, there are 80 Million gun owners out there who already know the feeling of being pushed around.

    In short, this movement needs friends. Even a quarter of 80 Million is a lot of friends.

  • Hi Copy Cat;

    Equality of outcome of necessity requires Collectivism.

    Equality of emotions of necessity requires . . .?

    PPACA illustrates perfectly the impossibility of equality of outcome strategies. They require massive Govt. bureaucracies and massive Govt. Intervention/Control/Redistribution. And all they have ever produced is massive misery, poverty, and death.

    Here are some essays on the subject.

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2014/04/social-justice-defined-why-you-dont.html

    And here is Social Justice hitting the street, as it relates to behavioral control/mental health:

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2010/09/i-am-law-paramedic-has-them-locked-up.html

  • Hi Leah;

    “We shun serious discussions of gun control, and instead scapegoat people with mental health issues for the complex issue of violence in our society. But my intention is not to write about gun control. Even if by some miracle we were enlightened enough to take all guns away from people tomorrow, ”

    I’d be happy to have a serious discussion of gun control with you, or anyone else in the mental health community/field.

  • Mr Keyes;

    You saw the popcorn too, right?

    The Docs had to be reassured the microwave popcorn contained “No Active Drug” : ergo They weren’t about to risk becoming “Mentally Healthy” with it themselves with it if it did.

    Anyway, here’s a couple of Court Slip Opinions for folks wanting the ins and outs of the issues argued by Janssen and the State AG:

    http://www.wlf.org/upload/litigation/briefs/Ortho-McNeilvArkansas-WLFAmicus.pdf

    http://opinions.aoc.arkansas.gov/WebLink8/0/doc/321287/Electronic.aspx

  • Mr. Keyes;

    E-High Fives and a resounding “Yeah, What He Said!”

    “I’d go further”

    “if many of their trials show that the treatment is no better or worse than placebo, they are involved in obfuscation, false advertisement and are potentially causing grave harm to anyone who buys their “product”.

    What you’ve just done here is to define criminal fraud.

    As I said in my reply to Mr. Cole:
    It is Legally Impossible for anyone to Volunteer To Be Defrauded: be they Research Subject or the Taxpayer being defrauded into Paying for that research.

    “If it works, it will be made abundantly clear in the medical journals and that information can then filter down to doctors who can then make the choice to prescribe the treatment or not.”

    Dear Veterans Administration, An Open Letter
    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2010/12/dear-us-department-of-veterans-affairs.html

    ‘It’ does not work now, has never worked, and is never going to work.

    No Positive Outcome.

    Given that the VA is admitting they’re working over at least 53,000 people a year as schizophrenics alone (while defrauding far more than $1 Million Tax Payer Dollars at it) – without a positive outcome – the drug makers and the entire supply chain – inside and outside the VA – down to the nurse with their little Dixie cup of pills and Dixie cup of water, need to be prosecuted under these following Statutes on top of 18C95 Sec 1958.

    Us Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 19 Sec. 371 Conspiracy To Defraud The United States: 5 years

    Us Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 47 Sec. 1031 Major Fraud Against The United States: 10 years

    Us Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 47 Sec. 1035 False Statements: 5 years

    Us Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 63 Sec. 1341 Mail Fraud: Frauds and Swindles: 20 years

    Us Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 63 Sec. 1347 Health Care Fraud: 10 years

    Us Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 63 Sec. 1349 Attempt and Conspiracy

    Us Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 95 Sec. 1957 Engaging In Monetary Transactions In Property Derived From Specified Unlawful Activity: over $10,000, 10 years.

    And those US Title 18 Statutes are only a fraction of Federal Statutes which this Industry can be convicted of violating.

    “But, But, this is ridiculous, Bunker, you’d have Everybody in the Mental Health profession tossed into prison for centuries.”

    Envision a housecat being offered a fresh opened can of tuna.

    If I violated these Federal Statutes I would be incarcerated for it.

    Everybody delivering these drugs knows they don’t produce any ‘Positive Outcome’ and Everybody in Medicine looks the other way as they continue Taking/Defrauding Other Peoples Money to do what they do.

    Less Than 1% of Patient Harm Events Are Ever Reported.

    US 18C3 Accessory After The Fact
    US 18C4 Misprision Of Felony

    “Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

    Time and again I see Authors and Commentators here at MIA bemoaning the lack of patient empowerment to uphold Human Rights in the Mental Health system.

    Human Rights is a Philosophy just as Mental Health/Illness is a Philosophy.

    American Citizens own Civil Rights, not Human Rights.

    US 18C13 Sec 241 & 242.

    What makes HC workers so specially Above all of the above Federal Criminal Statutes and protected from them? 1 item and 1 item only: Money: mountains of Dirty, Defrauded/Obtained under False Pretenses and therefore Stolen, Money.

    They’ve even got Illegal (Sec 1 of the 14th Amendment), Trade Guild purchased exemptions to protect themselves from being mined by having to wear their own thieving, life wrecking Opinions.

    California Diversion Programs.
    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search/label/California%20Diversion%20Programs

    There’s 7 Illegal, Fed Civil Rights Statute Violating sections of Ca. State Law under that label.

    Housecat, tuna.

    Nothing in the Mental Health system is going to change until our Courts start tossing the Fraudsters – from Top to Bottom – into locked cages with iron bars on them and throwing away the key.

    First step down that road for people who’ve been victimized by the Mental Health system is to get Off the Human Rights bandwagon and get On the Civil Rights bandwagon because all the empowerment they seek – and much more – is already theirs in existing Criminal Law.

    Let’s ask someone, Anyone, to even Define/Justify inducing ‘Mental Health’ through brain damage into other people as Healthcare, when the people dispensing ‘Mental Health’ have reversed the outcome of the Civil War/14th Amendment to avoid having to wear their own ‘Mental Health’.

  • Mr. Cole;

    “Question: Is it only a matter of who pays for it?”

    No, it is not.

    Govt. has a responsibility to protect Citizens from being victimized by being robbed (either openly through force or secretly through Fraud) and acts of physical violence.

    Since Govt. cannot fulfill those responsibilities in a pre emptive fashion without resorting to a pre-crime investigation and enforcement Police State we are left with Govt. imposing after the fact penalties upon malfeasants who Do prey illegally upon other Citizens.

    JNJ’s latest Fed buy out is illustrative. Of all the Federal Criminal penalties the DOJ could have imposed on JNJ, they fined them/let them buy their way out, again.

    Ergo, we may understand that the Only thing our DOJ is going to Do anything about is Money (and for JNJ even $2.2 Billion is a token amount).

    You have raised a number of insight filled issues, each deserving of an individual answer.

    However, in the interest of concision, I am willing to group all of your subsequent concerns under the heading of the Citizen and Society At Large (The Greater Good, if you will) being Defrauded either out of money and/or into unlawful acts of physical and psychological violence being perpetrated upon them.

    As such, an irrefutable principle comes to the fore. (And I care not one whit What that Citizen/Research subject may or may not be thinking or willing to agree to.)

    It is Legally Impossible for anyone to Volunteer To Be Defrauded.

    (Think Lemon Laws applied to car dealers. Very, very few automobile purchasers possess the specific technical knowledge to Diagnose whether or a not a car is going to be free of hidden defects. How much more difficult is it for the medical lay-person to know the issues involved in an investigative drug and how it will be affecting their physical, emotional, and perceptual equilibrium? And for how long?)

    All of us as Citizens have specific and exactly circumscribed rights which Govt. can not revoke or even impinge upon. Among those rights is a right to Private, Personally Owned Property. Having that property damaged, destroyed, or stolen through acts of Fraud or Force is prohibited by Law.

    Emotional and Perceptual Equilibrium (as functions of bodily integrity) is a Right:

    Would you, or anyone else, agree to ingest a drug which has a track record of so distorting emotional and perceptual equilibrium that it has driven other consumers to violently murder their own family members?

    Of course you wouldn’t.

    But every prescriber in the state of California does commit the fraud of prescribing those murder causing drugs – In The FULL, and Criminal, FORE KNOWLEDGE that that is Exactly what they are Defrauding into the consumer and upon the people of the United States because every last one of them know that the drugs require State Police Registration.

    Even without the State Law charge of Attempted Murder Every prescription for such drugs is already a Federal Felony under US 18C95 Sec 1958 punishable by up to 10 years in a Federal Correctional Facility.

    The scope of this criminal undertaking is so breathtaking that while there are other legal means to stop it, temporarily, here and there, the Federal Racketeering Statutes are made to order.

    Please don’t take the tone of this next explanatory section personally. I’ve copied and pasted it from previously explaining it to a woman who lost her son and another young man to murder/suicide from Psychiatric Drugging, which should accounts for the acerbity of my vernacular as it was targeted to someone sharing my disdain for this Industry.

    This post ought to give the lawyers an epileptic fit.

    Since J&J’s Risperdal carries State Police Registration In California, the CYA of denying its homicide factor ought to be a slam dunk perjury conviction in Any Court. The State Police don’t have time to concern themselves with diabetes, heart attacks, brain death, TD, or even suicide. They’re not going to hold everybody’s hand 24/7 just to be ready to ask them if they’d like to go see the nice Doctor again.

    Murder however, Does interest the Police. US 18C95 Sec 1958 is a glaring denunciation of what the FDA’s safe and effective is actually worth, and what Psychiatric Denials are worth in Any Country because every last Medico in California knows the Police Registration/Homicide routine. They have to, to prescribe those “safe & effectives”.

    FDA rules and regulations, the FDCA, and pronouncements of benevolent intent from the Council on Ethical and Judicial Butt Coverage do not supersede or over rule Federal Criminal Law. They are subordinate to and subject to Federal Law as clearly codified and expressed by Congress who are the Only people Constitutionally Empowered to craft Federal Law.

    U.S. Title 18C95 sec 1958

    US 18C95 Sec 1958 specifically criminalizes the use of Interstate Commerce Facilities in the commission of murder for hire.
    1: Are Interstate Commerce Facilities in the US being used to distribute the drugs?
Yes (commercial trucking, air freight, rail, UPS etc, ….. & using US mail, electronic mail to bill, pay for the product, pay the employees, Should have the US Postal Service prosecuting under this statute as well as for Federal Mail Fraud.)
    2: Are people/employees being Paid/Hired to distribute the drugs using Interstate Commerce Facilities?
Yes

    3: Do the drugs cause Murder?
Yes

    4: Are the prescribers in possession of the Knowledge that the drugs cause Murders?
    In California, Risperdal requires registration with the Cal. State Police and every prescriber Knows it.
    No more proof is needed.
    Once you walk through the 1958 door you find the doors to Sec 1957, 1956, and 1952 also unlocked.
    To get a Court to hear your gripe, you need a legal peg to hang it on. The fact that you got a raw deal is irrelevant. They’ll tell you, We’re Sorry, and yes life IS unfair, but we’re not empowered to make it our concern.”
    This Statute however is extremely specific as to what IS the Court’s concern/duty to address.
    This Statute doesn’t specify that the victim be identified by name or in any other fashion, only that the end result be murder or its attempt. If the people involved in any aspect of these drugs are involving Interstate Commerce Facilities in any way, then there Are grounds and Courts do have jurisdiction to hear the argument.
    The Racketeering Laws are the direct consequence of previous behaviorist Intervention/Social Engineering. In America the 18th Amendment criminalized alcohol. Bootleggers grew into very rich organized crime syndicates by providing alcohol. When the 21st Amendment repealed the ban those crime syndicates had scads of money which they put into other illegal activities, and Congress created the Racketeering Statutes to suppress the crime syndicates that the prohibition of alcohol created.
    This Statute doesn’t state that violation even requires actually crossing a State Line. It criminalizes using Interstate Commerce Facilities. So, even if the attempt, (which doesn’t have to be completed: in this case the murder causing drug), meets the criteria of the “or conspires to do so” clause, so long as Commerce Facilities such as Banks, Savings & Loans, Wire Services for transferring money which as a part of their everyday, legal Commercial activities do transfer money across State Lines, and/or commercial shippers which engage in Legal Commerce across State lines become involved at all, the Racketeering Statutes make even the attempt a prosecutable offense punishable by up to 10 years in a Federal Penitentiary, per attempt/prescription.
    As for the clause “or conspires to do so”, all That requires is proof that as few as two people cooked up a plan to sell the stuff which involves using Interstate Commerce Facilities of Any sort in Any way shape or form. So long as murder Can result, and it Has resulted in the past, this Statute fits.
    You’ll notice it also includes the words “Foreign Commerce” so it Should grant the Government and Citizens of Countries other than the United States legal standing to prosecute any American Based company or company that does business in America in an American Court, for violating American law just for also Using Any Institution of already Lawful Commercial Activity in Countries Other than the United States.

    And if any Medico claims the patient was a potential murderer to begin with and their chemical intervention hasn’t Unlawfully endangered the public’s safety, that tosses the skunk of prior restraint into the stew – pre crime policing and Star Chamber sentencing – which also runs counter to every civilized nation’s publicly assumed/perceived legal system.

    So; “Is it only a matter of who pays for it?”

    Most definitely not.

    It’s a matter of the worst and most reprehensible type of Murder: Murder that doesn’t even have any reason beyond Money to commit it.

    And that’s why Congress, not I but Congress, Made it all about Money, which they themselves are dishing out wholesale to Pay for it.

  • No Sale.

    If there’s one single nickle of Govt. – meaning belonging to the people, not the bureaucrats – Money involved in these trials, not JNJ, Yale, GSK, nor anyone else has any right to decide Who gets access to that data and Who doesn’t.

    The issue of irresponsible end use of said data has been raised here.

    Fine. If they don’t want it used irresponsibly, as in editorializing against the drugs being studied, and they want to maintain complete control over their research/economic advantage, then they can get their hands Out of everybody else’s pockets and pay for 100% of whatever they’re researching.

  • Hi Steve;

    “I frankly don’t have respect for almost any of them.”

    I’m right there with you on that one.

    When I invoke the word Liberal in its current incarnation I’m using it to identify people who believe in the State over the Individual: Govt knows best so Govt must make and enforce regulations that cover every action you, I, and everyone else can take.

    “I’m just saying that Conservatism is no better. ”

    IF by that you mean politicians who identify as Republicans rather than Democrats, again, we Agree, because I identify most office holding Republicans as Big Government Liberals.

    “We’re seeing the results of the “free market” right now in the “mental health” world and it SUCKS!”

    Here. I’m afraid, is where we diverge.

    What we are seeing is not a Free Market but a Govt. and its Cronie Owner manipulated, Centrally Planned Market.

    A Conservative as I understand the concept ascribes to the Highest Law of the Land, the Constitution, in its every part.

    And that Law provides for Equal Treatment under Law, through the 14th Amendment.

    This is most definitely not what we have at the moment.

    The SUCK factor in the mental health system is rooted in the fact that everything the MH system does is Already prohibited by Law both Federal and State.

    Once you understand the violation of Fed Racketeering Statutes, everything else falls like a line of dominoes.

    This is The Lynchpin.

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2012/05/us-18c95-sec-1958-skull-at-banquet.html

    More Fed Racketeering Statutes
    Fed Civil Rights Statutes
    Fed Healthcare Fraud Statutes
    Fed Mail Fraud Statutes

    State Felony Aggravated Assault and Battery Statutes

    In my personal cosmogeny, a true Conservative in Govt. would proceed from the understanding that since Everyone is Equal in the eyes of the Law, then No One may violate the above Laws with impunity, whereas a true Liberal in Govt (which is 98 percent of elected office holders) will continue to create special cuts outs, carve outs, and privileges for groups rather than individuals.

    Those groups – for the purpose of this discussion – can be psych patients, psych drug makers, and psych drug inflictors, BECAUSE, Big Govt knows better, therefore Big Govt. can openly ignore ANY LAW it has already enacted.

    Those 3 groups are all treated differently under the Same group of laws.

  • Hi Duane;

    ‘Negligent’ Homicide?

    What’s ‘Negligent’ about it, in SF where they’ve got the highest percentage of Shrinks per person, 2 Brick and Mortar Hospitals and their Psychiatric Staffs didn’t even exist as part of the 2007 C&C Mental Health Board’s plan, and J&J’s wonder Lobotomizer requires State Police Registration?

    That’s not Negligent my friend. That’s Intent.

  • Hi Steve;

    “Why are you so down on liberals and blame them for everything when most “conservatives” are just as rigid in their own views? Isn’t the problem ideological rigidity, rather than a liberal vs. conservative split?”

    Look to our current Administration in D.C.

    PPACA aka Obamacare was decided by the Supreme Court to be the law of the land.

    Making and Changing laws is the purview of Congress, not the Executive.

    Our current President is the embodiment of decades of Liberal desire, and ceaseless work to achieve.

    I can’t count the times he’s personally made changes to PPACA on his own and without any legal authority to do so.

    The very term Liberal has been co-opted into the diametrical antithesis of the Jeffersonian concept of liberal.

    It is no longer Liberal in any way, shape, of form. Its liberality extends only to others whose ideology marches in lock step with them: cutouts, set asides, special preferences, handouts, and shoving 1 group after another out in front of every other group until the very concept of a Constitutionally Limited Government is lost in a welter of squabbling factions.

    Today’s Liberalism is Collectivism, the Primary desideratum of the mental health system.

  • Thank You Ms. Bradshaw.

    The following is from the 2006 FDA label for Risperdal;

    “Suicide attempt was associated with discontinuation in 1.2% of RISPERDAL®-treated patients
    compared to 0.6% of placebo patients, but, given the almost 40-fold greater exposure time in
    RISPERDAL® compared to placebo patients, it is unlikely that suicide attempt is a
    RISPERDAL®-related adverse event”

    A 100% Increase in Suicide Attempts associated with discontinuation, but Suicide Attempt is unlikely to be a Risperdal related adverse event.

    And here’s the reason Why Suicide Attempt is “unlikely to be a Risperdal related adverse event.”

    http://www.fda.gov/ForIndustry/UserFees/PrescriptionDrugUserFee/ucm152775.htm

    The U.S. Govt is going to have to find Some way of funding its FDA which includes a COI firewall between FDA and its owners: the Drug Makers.

  • Thank You Dr. Moncrieff.

    I’m afraid it goes somewhat deeper than attempting to continue with “business as usual”.

    No country I know of – and especially not the United States – allows anyone to knowingly sell homicide, which the FDA does ascribe to the use of many Psychiatric drugs: not just the antipsychotics.

    Once that criminal aspect of these drugs is openly discussed, the whole game collapses and everyone involved in it faces long prison sentences at the very least.

  • Correction:

    If the Obamunists in Colorado can’t pull off stealing more than their usual 10 to 12 percent of the vote Over the dupes who actually Want these two to stay in office, we May see the start of something big: Nationwide.

    That should be, . . .

    If the LEFT can’t steal more than 10 to 12% of the vote from the people who know better and Want these two OUT of office, . . .

  • No portion of the Bill of Rights is under more up front, relentless attack than the 2nd Amendment. Politicians screaming for ‘Sensible Gun Control’ are being anything but sensible, as per above with Senators Frick, Frack, and CT’s State/Political Police.

    Here’s a ‘Big One’ in the making.

    Colorado Citizens have had it with these creatures. Today is Recall Election day in Colorado.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-10/colorado-voters-to-decide-historic-recall-of-gun-control-backers.html

    If the Obamunists in Colorado can’t pull off stealing more than their usual 10 to 12 percent of the vote Over the dupes who actually Want these two to stay in office, we May see the start of something big: Nationwide.

    For as Peter Schweizer says:

    Throw Them All Out!

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/192-3477730-1030900?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Throw+Them+All+Out+Peter

    I pray that the HONEST Voters in Colorado can muster at Least a 61% majority today (in order to end up with a 51% final tally after their opponents vote 6 times) and America’s political class get their elitist asses handed to them.

    As for Adam Lanza’s records, is there anyone here who doesn’t already know oodles about these drugs propensity to cause Homicide?

  • Duane;

    Don’t mistake my tone as being upset with you. I’ve always found your responses and position to be measured and containing true compassion for your fellow man.

    My Ire is directed Wholly at the Mental Illness Fraudsters, M’Kay?

    Loren Mosher is dead. He’s no longer in the loop.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_of_Mental_Health

    The NIMH is Directly burning America for $1.5 Billion Dollars a year which we Don’t Have.

    The Secondary Damage they cause with that Borrowed, Defrauded, $1.5 Billion by funding their various SFB pieces of Prohibited By LAW Fraud is impossible for me to calculate.

    I have No use for them, and Less sympathy for their Benevolocratic Horse Shit.

    I do NOT Care What the next person is thinking. If they want to argue with parked cars and plate glass windows it’s Their business.

    If they’re keeping people awake with their tirades, then we already have laws concerning Disturbing the Peace.

    Those offenses are Not punishable by being made the victim of Felony Assault and Aggravated Battery, complete revocation of their Civil Rights, and being made subject to a lifetime of repeat instances of Aggravated Battery and Incarceration sans Habeus Corpus for the offense of Offending someone else.

    I want the NIMH Shut Down, everyone working/Mooching there Laid Off, and the Buildings Sold at Public Auction.

    Each and Every mental illness Diagnosis and Drugging already violate Federal Racketeering, Civil Rights, Mail Fraud and HealthCare Fraud Statutes.

    Each and Every mental illness Diagnosis and Drugging already violate Individual State Statutes prohibiting all Manner of Fraudulent conduct, Battery, and Attempted/Actual Homicide.

    The NIMH exemplifies the nadir of the Low Information/No Information Voter’s shrugging off the actual Issues in Every Election with a “Well SOMEBODY’s got to do Something about this problem. And My Candidate is promising to Do Something/Give Me Something they stole from somebody Else in trade for my vote.”

    The very concept of a National Institute of Mental Control is anathema to everything we as a Nation stand for.

  • UCSF has a Division of Infant, Child, and Adolescent Psychiatry

    http://psych.ucsf.edu/sfgh.aspx?id=468

    “Services provide by Child and Adolescent Services include:”

    “Psychiatric Assessment/Medication Evaluation”

    If they’re ‘Medication Evaluating” them, They’re drugging them.

    How ‘Incurably Insane’ can an Infant be?

    And BTW, mjk, I don’t refer to J&J owned, 4016% Increase in Drug-able Bipolar Toddlers as “Doctor” Biederman.

    To me, he’s “That Son of a Biederman.”

  • MJK;

    Aha, . . . Dorothy Rowe, I’m smelling the same rotting compost from Ms Rowe that I winded exuding from Marsha Linehan.

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2011/10/san-franciscos-dbt-communism-swallow-it.html

    Defeatism. Bobby McFerrin/Buddhist “Don’t Worry, Be Happy” No matter WHAT some Violent, Multiple, Un-idicted Felon inflicts on you, just laugh it off.

    Justice is a great word. Unfortunately it’s not something our Judiciary or Legal System concern themselves with. We’ve got to stop concerning ourselves with the amorphous concept of Justice, and concern ourselves with Law instead.

    http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C95.txt

    Sections 1956, 1957, 1958, and 1959. Just look through the way this scam moves money around, and what they actually Do get busted for. Numerous violations which in the main go completely ignored.

    Find the violations and post them. If we Don’t, the Web Search Results will continue to display the NAMI/PhRMA/APA picture and the war for the public’s opinion will remain in NAMI/PhRMA/APA’s vest pocket.

    The jpg in my post explaining Hegel’s Dialectic is worth its weight in gold. And the most thickly infested with Psychiatrists City in America has built its entire Mental Health Scam upon Linehan’s incorporation of Hegel’s Totalitarian, Self Defeating Oxymoron.

    Undoing this mess is going to take a Lot more than even an opposition Party win in 2014 and 2016 since we’re no longer al 2 party system. With the very rare exception of people like Ted Cruz, we’ve devolved into the Stalinist concept of “THE Party”, and everyone in it is afraid to cross the gargantuan Bureaucracies that previous incarnations of THE Party have built.

    Cleaning up Govt. collectivization of every aspect of everyone’s every moment, thought, and mood is going to require a Constitutionally Literate Electorate, which we are not going to achieve so long as DC continues to allow the Federal Dept. of Education/Indoctrination to exist.

    You want Justice? Nothing this Industry does is even Legal!

    Call them on it!

  • 8/8/13: IRS Agent: Tax Agency Is Still Targeting Tea Party Groups

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/irs-agent-tax-agency-is-still-targeting-tea-party-groups/article/2534044

    You’re not alone in decrying the ethics of our current Attorney General. Read the comments:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3052582/posts

    Justice Dept In Hot Seat After Declining To Prosecute Alleged IRS Abuse.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/16/treasury-department-admits-scrutiny-candidate-donor-tax-records/

    To understand the very ‘Ideation’ of ‘Mental Illness’ one must cover Politics. Can’t escape it.

    Since most mental illnesses aren’t medical until After some lying prescriber/shocker has Caused actual medical damage, they must originate in inter personal or societal relations which involve FRAUD/LIES of one sort or another.

    Where do most marriages run aground? It’s not the bedroom but the checkbook, and Nowhere do we find people causing more problems over money than in Govt.

    Eric Holder Has Billed Taxpayers For More Than $4 Million In Travel Expenses In 4 Years.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/08/05/documents-eric-holder-has-billed-taxpayers-for-more-than-4-million-in-travel-in-less-than-4-years/

    The fox isn’t just guarding the hen house Duane, Snidely Whiplash foreclosed on the Constitution. We have suffered a Coup de Main, and what easier way of controlling the serfs is there than to officially declare as many of them as they can, as Incurably, Junk Science, Defectives?

    The worst crime the overwhelming majority of those Diagnosed as ‘Mentally Ill’ have committed is they’ve Offended someone, or they pose the perceived Threat of Offending Someone.

    And the 1st Amendment guarantees No One a ‘Right’ to be protected from being Offended.

  • Donna;

    If you or I pulled one Percent of the shennanigans PhRMA pulls we’d be in the Federal No Key Hotel quicker than you could say “Crippled or Dead Consumer”.

    But then you and I don’t put Millions of Dollars into the FDA’s coffers to buy ourselves protection.

    http://www.fda.gov/ForIndustry/UserFees/PrescriptionDrugUserFee/ucm152775.htm

    When and If some reporter actually corners Senator Foghorn or Representative Blowhard and asks them what’s being done, IF they even know there’s problem in the first place, they blow it off with another “We’re looking into it.”

    At the rate they’re going they’ll still be “Looking into it when Hell freezes over.

    I haven’t yet seen a real answer from FDA’s Margaret Hamburg on what J&J’s ex exec Leona Brenner-Gati was doing at FDA.

    Have you?

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2013/05/fdas-directorates-for-globalization.html

    With all the hot water J&J’s in, Hamburg gets away with telling Congress that Brenner-Gati did some good work for FDA but Hamburg can’t say specifically what that good work was?

  • Sure, as if anybody’s actually going to put a stop to it.

    “Federal health officials are reviewing antipsychotic drug use on children in the Medicaid system”

    How many more of these Transparent Distractions are the American People going to subjected to?

    The Feds have been “Looking Into This” for how long now?

    http://www.fiercepharma.com/story/jj-feds-reach-deal-one-risperdal-charge/2011-08-10

    Meanwhile, there are the feds’ civil investigations; J&J says it’s in negotiations to settle those, too. The probes involve sales of Risperdal and Invega, a follow-up antipsychotic drug. Almost a dozen state attorneys general have sued for deceptive marketing or misleading claims about the drug. And AGs in 40 more states are considering joining the fray.

    J&J bought their way out of it for a lousy $181M, and they’re still wrangling over the $2.2 Billion they owe at the Fed Level because paying it might subject them to a rash of gynecomastia suits.

    Enough! of these window dressing put offs.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/848

  • Donna;

    Thanks for the links.

    Here’s a couple more Legal Issues for discussion, because if anyone wants anything actually changed, they’re going to need a Legal peg to hang it on.

    1: The abuses of the Doctrine of Therapeutic Privilege by Psychiatry:

    Couple the outright Lies offered, and excused under Therapeutic Privilege, as Psychiatric treatment with the following:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutic_jurisprudence

    “The approach was soon applied to the way various legal actors–judges, lawyers, police officers, and expert witnesses–play their roles, suggesting ways of doing so that would diminish unintended antitherapeutic consequences and increase the psychological well-being of those who come into contact with these legal figures”

    Back to my earlier comment Re: Federal Civil Rights Statutes:

    The people Selling Diagnosis are having it cleaned Off of Their Own Records and the records of other actors in the system. This is Illegal under Sec 1 of the 14th Amendment, especially since Psych Diagnosis is supposedly Forever, completely Incurable.

    AND: coupled With the CEJA concocted excuse to Lie, we find judges, lawyers, police officers, and expert witnesses Acting as Psychologists/Psychiatrists: coloring Their Legally binding Actions with Their Own Psychological Opinions.

    In Effect, it’s Carte Blanch to do whatever they damn well please and F**k the Law.

    (And people wonder how Psychiatry continues to get away with its act.”)

    Psychologists, even With their Degrees CAN’T CURE ANYONE, but actors in our Legal System even Without those years of Training in Psychological Hogwash, are Also acting as if They are Psychologically Qualified to determine what will or will not be “Therapeutic”.

    2: Informed Consent with Psychiatric Drugs is Legally Impossible.

    Go Back and re-read the actual Fed Racketeering Statute I cited:

    Psychiatrists know that they are selling a Homicide Risk. There is no way in hell they can legally disclose it, so they ignore it or lie about it.

    IF, they inform the patient OF that risk -documented By FDA’s Medwatch – the Patient Can NOT Legally agree to take the drug.

    IF they DO, they become a willing, knowing Co-conspirator with the prescriber to violate US 18C95 Sec 1958, and can also be incarcerated for up to 10 years.

  • Hi AA;

    Yes, that site is the intellectual property of Dr Nardo and he does own the Right to shut off the comments.

    Bernard Carrol, Whoever he is (I’ve tried to get the Dr. Bernard Carrol of HC Renewal to either confirm or deny that the person posting under the name Bernard Carrol on Dr. Nardo’s post was him: to no more avail than being rebuffed at Pharmalot – I presume it’s him – with a dismissive and evasive “I rest my case”.)

    AA: You said ‘Things were getting out of hand.’ That’s what usually happens when bullshit is trotted out as the best argument one owns.

    Bernard Carrol’s ludicrous position was the He found a Right To Life in the First Amendment to the Declaration of Independence which owned some controlling authority over the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

    Would you be kind enough to Show me that Right to Life in the First Amendment to the Declaration of Independence?

    Got a Link?

    Then BC trots out Natural Law as his clincher, and tops it with the United Nations?

    “doesn’t mean they are ignorant about the constitution. ”

    Ohhhhh, . . . kay.

  • Hi Donna;

    SOP: Standard Operating Procedure.

    Patient’s questions are routinely blown off by Psychiatrists because the patient lacks insight into the patient’s need to be ignored and lied to by the Psychiatrist, and when the patient persists in questioning the Psychiatrist, they’re treated to a “Harumph” and view of the Psychiatrist’s retreating back.

    If you’d like a specific example of the Depth of the Institutionalized “We’re not only Entitled to Lie to patients, but it’s our Duty to Lie to Patients and our Lawyers concocted the fiction that it’s somehow outside of and above the law, . . . then google:

    therapeutic privilege+CEJA

    This one doesn’t just speak for itself.

    It Screams.

  • Dr Steingard;

    Readers might also be interested in knowing that neither Dr Nardo nor Bernard Carrol even know the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence from one another.

    http://1boringoldman.com/index.php/2012/12/18/speaking-of-infringement/

    But yet, they know how other people think because the State Certified them as Experts in Mind Diseases.

    Readers might Also be interested in the fact that, As Per Psychiatric SOP, Rather than continue the discussion After founding their arguments on Feelings and facts that are flat out Wrong, Dr Nardo shut of the comments rather than accept information from people who DO know the Facts.

    When does this Industry ever get sick and tired of being Full of, . . . itself?

  • Mr Cohen;

    Please forgive me for constantly back linking to my site. If I could find better explanations through examples of these issues I’d gladly connect your readers to them. BUT:

    WHEN this Industry stops openly violating Federal Racketeering Statutes:

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search?q=18C95

    WHEN this Industry stops openly violating Federal Civil Rights Statutes:

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search/label/California%20Diversion%20Programs

    WHEN this Industry stops openly violating Federal Health Care Fraud statutes:

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search/label/SFMHB%2006%2F13%2F07

    WHEN this Industry stops violating Federal Mail Fraud statutes:

    see above 3. Using the United States Mails and Electronic Mail to Bill Insurers, Consumers, and the Tax Payers is Mail Fraud:

    WHEN this Industry quits condemning Everybody who walks in the front door as seriously and persistently Mentally Ill like This National Training Center for Racially Preferential Psychologists as cover to defraud $16.3 Million of other people’s money into its own pockets:

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2010/11/rams-cultural-crapulence-in-san.html

    THEN, this Industry and its minions can stop dancing around the fraud pole with idiot scenarios like re-engaging with the makers of Psychiatric Drugs.

    We are Way past the point of merely discovering that this Industry is deserving of the same Congressional scrutiny which Congressman Issa is currently serving the IRS.

  • Mr Whitaker;

    First, let me Thank You for all the heavy lifting you’ve done.

    Second, Blaming you for whatever happens when someone decides to stop ingesting these drugs or changes their own personal life routine in any way, is ridiculous.

    Considering the damage these drugs do, a simple cost/benefit analysis says we’re better off without them, and yes, that Does include the un-drugged individual who takes their own life.

    Since the drugs are already prohibited under Federal Racketeering Statutes and punishable by up to 10 years in a Federal Correctional Facility per script, How on Earth You would end up wearing ‘blood on your hands’ is beyond me.

    I’ve back-linked to my own page so often on this issue already I feel as if if I’m spamming MIA. For those who haven’t already read the statute and explanation, enter 18C95 in my search box.

    This ‘Therapeutic Privilege’ thinking that consumers need the drugs so badly that prescribers are allowed to lie about what they really are – again, cost/benefit – is as asinine as billing the Treasury to put in rubber sidewalks in every city in America to protect every pedestrian with a trick knee.

    For every person who dies Without these drugs, how many More die Because of them?

  • A ‘Good’ counselor is a counselor who paperwork justifies their expenditures by certifying that the client is incurably broken.

    We’re drowning under a tidal wave of young, Pharma U. produced counselors who all need to make the Public Money funded, Non-Profit which gives them their check, happy.

    And the only way to do that is by Increasing the amount of funding that organization gets by increasing the check list/depression rating scale, etc. justification for inflicting More of their useless crap on Everybody they come into contact with.

    A ‘Bad’ counselor couldn’t stomach the con and wouldn’t stick around long enough to get fired.

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2010/11/rams-cultural-crapulence-in-san.html

    This Performance Audit Memo is one of the best arguments I’ve seen yet for abolishing the Feral Dept of Indoctrination/Education.

  • Ms Care;

    “Psychiatry was not the sole architect”

    http://www.toolan.com/hitler/index.html#contents

    http://jme.bmj.com/content/38/7/435.full.pdf+html?sid=aceda3f9-6085-4457-8acd-fab641713ba2

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search/label/Hitler%27s%20Unwanted%20Children

    WWII killed between 60 to 69 Million people. Any evil that great will always accumulate murderous, unprincipled subsets of humanity along with the initiators.

    I don’t wish to condescend here, but you do know that the Germans inspired by the Americans, particularly those in California (the same progressive, Forward thinking crowd that herded American Citizens of Japanese descent into camps behind barbed wire).

    And their German admirers found themselves grateful that They and Their mass murdering excesses weren’t subject to the restraints which their Ideological Cousins in California found themselves up against, under the Bill of Rights.

    “So owning a gun is a right along with all other rights, and without that it somehow invalidates all other rights? ”

    No, the lack of a 2nd Amendment would not actually invalidate them except in the sense that it would leave all the other Amendments worth Exactly the paper they’re written on: subject to endless redefinitive chisling by Govt. (exactly where we are now)

    You haven’t answered my question. What was the final outrage which fired the Shot Heard ‘Round the World?

    It’s a fair question, and it’s put fairly. I’m not trying to butt heads with you but to acquaint you with the other side of this issue.

  • Ms Davidow;

    I addressed my comment to you on the basis of your pointing out that the author of this post is an epidemiologist.

    Human beings becoming put out, upset, frightened or incensed no matter the severity are not infected with any diseases which can be cured or mitigated through the interference of Humanist Philosophy.

    Ms Care;

    “Respect has nothing to do with it, and take suicide out of the equation – why do people “need” to own guns? Why should owning a gun be a “right”?”

    I suggest you address that question to the survivors of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, and Treblinka, which were the previous work of Psychiatry.

    “Respect has nothing to do with it?”

    Do you respect an electric carving knife because you know well enough what it will do to not try it out on your own arm or someone else’s arm?

    “Why should owning a gun be a right?”

    Why should being allowed to lock the doors of your home with deadbolts be a right? The Authorities might need to get into your home some night and not be able to wake you.

    Why should the Rest of the Bill of Rights be a right? Are there any Other Unalienable rights you would like to question?

    They are all inseparable, and completely worthless without each other.

    Virtually the first question despotic, mass murdering Dictators pose to their subjugated peoples is “What do you need guns for?”
    “We are in control now, and we are all the protection from criminals you’ll ever need.”

    What was the final insult which fired the ‘Shot Heard ‘Round the World’ in the American Revolution?

    Can you tell me?

    Our entire Bill of Rights is no longer even on Life Support. We can all of us cite endless incursions on it emanating almost daily from our current administration.

    Without the Bill of Rights being upheld, In Toto, as it is written, we are sliding into a Collectivist Hell where Everyone will be subject to involuntary incarceration sans warrant, sans indictment, sans habeus corpus whether they’ve been officially run over by the Thought Gestapo or not.

  • Ms Davidow;

    “an epidemiologist” who was raised with a healthy “fear” of guns/inanimate objects.

    An epidemiologist references life in terms of disease states.

    Guns are not a disease.

    The informed perspective is not a healthy fear, but a healthy respect.

    Fear of guns reveals ignorance of guns whereas respect posits actual knowledge of guns.

    We should be more fearful of being injured or killed by drivers under the influence of alcohol or drugs – and that most definitely includes psychiatric drugs.

  • When one of these table rapping scienced jokers comes up with a cure for anything except their own pile of personal bills, along with Themselves and their Pharma U. medical license purchasing co-workers;

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search/label/California%20Diversion%20Programs

    If Any of this non-science were of benefit, tell me why its purveyors and their trade guilds have bought themselves illegal protection from crooked politicians to get out of wearing their own diagnoses.

  • “while I have used my disease at times ”

    Blood tests please. Cat Scans please, MRI please.

    Perpetuating the disinformation of a “Diseased” mind is counterproductive.

    “I spent a great deal of time being uncomfortable about that loaded gun”

    The term is Hoplophobia: an unreasoning fear of an inanimate object.

    You want to reduce suicides by gun?

    Fine. Education works.

    Object lesson number 1.

    Fill an empty gallon milk jug with water. At a shooting range or other area with a SAFE (as in no place beyond the target for the projectile to do any damage) shoot the milk jug with a .22. Yes, just a tiny, little .22.

    Explain to the gun safety student that the human body is 98% water, and the explosion/hydrostatic shock wave that .22 just made is what it will do to a human being’s insides. It’s very graphic.

    Let them actually See what it does, and there goes a great deal of people thinking about using one on themselves. Or show them pics from our current wars of enemy combatants who’ve been head shot.

    “I think the right wingers at the town hall meeting would have been deeply disappointed by him.”

    There’s a Lot of Right Wingers and NRA members who are becoming ‘Disappointed’ with NRA, and the meat of their dissatisfaction is with NRA’s willingness to strike deals with the Anti-2nd Amendment crowd.

    For years we’ve heard from NRA about how we don’t need any more gun laws, we just need to enforce the ones we already have.

    Last I looked there were over 22 Thousand of the counterproductive pieces of Un Constitutional ‘Infringings’ already on the books, and the dissatisfaction arises from Enforcing crap which is already illegal.

    If you don’t want to own a gun, Fine, don’t buy one.

    IF I don’t want to BE Owned by Obama’s stinking PPACA, Fine, Literally. IF I Don’t buy his crap, I get Fined, and His HealthCare Dodge, . . . INCLUDING MORE of this filth called MENTAL HEALTH, is FAR more lethal to you, me, and everyone we know, than guns ever were or ever will be.

    And I Do wish that this Dear Abbey business of people who are uneasy with guns, writing Advice to the Uneasy columns here at MIA, would cease.

  • Is ADHD even real?

    I rather like the object lesson of Thomas Edison.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison

    “In school, the young Edison’s mind often wandered, and his teacher, the Reverend Engle, was overheard calling him “addled”. This ended Edison’s three months of official schooling.”

    “Edison is the fourth most prolific inventor in history, holding 1,093 US patents in his name, as well as many patents in the United Kingdom, France, and Germany. He is credited with numerous inventions that contributed to mass communication and, in particular, telecommunications. These included a stock ticker, a mechanical vote recorder, a battery for an electric car, electrical power, recorded music and motion pictures.”

    One can only wonder what would have happened to him if some school guidance counselor/social worker had dumped him onto a dope pusher to get him the Ritalin, Adderal, Concerta he needed.

  • “But how do we get people to care?”

    How many commentators here blog?

    As opposed to how many pages of Industrial Strength Bio-BS are clogging web search results?

    Blogs are free, you just have to expend the time and energy to post.

    Search Engines will find them, right along with the Industrial disinformation.

    If you don’t blog, get started. As terrific a resource as MIA is, not everyone is going to find it and read it. Learn how to write eye catching post titles to drag new readers to your page even if you’re only reposting Govt. reports, or to help spread what you read here and elsewhere.

    It’s got to be a full court press to get through the hundreds of billions of dollars spent by the drug makers, their junk medical sales force, and their ‘Public Advocacy Group’ marketing depts, like NAMI.

    I wish MIA alone Could do all the work but that’s not enough, and Everyone here needs to help.

    Blog and Post often.

  • Mr Chabasinski;

    “But how do we translate this into something we can get the general public to listen to?”

    Bio-Psychiatry relies on the old College Debating maxim that the first person to call his opponent crazy, wins.

    Nowhere have I seen better exemplified the actual function of Govt. than the NIMH.

    Govt. has but One duty, and that is to Fail as hard as it can while remaining within the strictures of plausible deniability.

    If Any Govt Agency actually solved the problem it was created to solve, that Agency would have no grounds to continue existing and a gazillion other Govt Agencies would be clamoring for the successful Agency’s funding.

    Govt. Agencies expand and their bureaucrats move up the ladder to become bosses by Failing so that they can then go before Congress with the excuse that Whatever it is they’re doing is not succeeding Only because they are simply Under Funded.

    “Our program is sound, we just need more money.”

    Dr. McLaren;

    Thank You So much for the heavy lifting you’ve done here.

  • Dr Lacasse;

    Once again I wish to thank you for rolling up your sleeves and getting greasy to the elbows, digging up the nuts and bolts comprising this issue, for as the saying goes, “The Devil is in the details”.

    But, IF “many prescribers simply are not aware” it is an issue of their remaining Willfully unaware.

    FDA Labels are the Best Industry approved sales tool Drug Makers can buy, and 3 out of 10 Psychiatrists can’t be bothered to read even the FDA Label, along with a higher percentage of non-Psychiatrists.

    http://www.medpagetoday.com/ProductAlert/Prescriptions/15639

    “Psychiatrists and primary care physicians were given lists of drug-indication pairs that differed except for six pairs: valproic acid for bipolar disorder, mania; escitalopram (Lexapro) for panic disorder; gabapentin for diabetic neuropathy; trazodone for insomnia; venlafaxine (Effexor) for adjustment disorder; and quetiapine (Seroquel) for dementia with agitation.

    The authors received 457 usable surveys, 54% from psychiatrists and 46% from primary care physicians. On average, primary care physicians had prescribed 10 of the drugs at least once in the previous year for any indication, and psychiatrists had prescribed 11.

    Respondents knew the correct FDA-approval status of 55% (mean) to 57% (median) of the drug-indication pairs.

    When the pairs were limited to drugs the respondents had prescribed in the past year, the mean accuracy increased to 60% and the median to 63%.

    Overall, psychiatrists demonstrated better knowledge of FDA approval status (66% mean, 71% median) than did primary care physicians (42% mean, 38% median).”

    IF, I were a mechanic you contracted with to fix your motorcycle and I poured sugar into your gas tank to prevent you from collecting speeding tickets, you might very well have an accident when it froze up at 60 mph.

    This, at the very least, would revoke my mechanics license. My complaining that I read somewhere in some Mechanics Journal that cutting the gas with sugar Did actually reduce speeding violations, . . . well, . . . Prescribers Willful Ignorance in this area is actually worse because they are not causing accidents, but suicides and homicides.

    Dr. Lacasse, this is not a personal cut, but I’m past being fed up with one article after another cutting the prescribers of these drugs slack.

    Ongoing and Willful Ignorance of their stock in trade is not excusable, no matter How convenient a Courtroom defense it has become.

    It is an act of Fraud, Cut and Dry.

  • Thank You Dr. Lacasse;

    However, I believe you’re still being too charitable with the prescribers here.

    They know full damn well they’re being bullshitted, because Every prescriber in the State of California knows that J&J’s Risperdal comes with State Police Registration.

    And there’s only one explanation for that. What they are doing is illegal and they know it. If they really Are that Stupid they have no business being prescribers.

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search?q=18C95

    Prescribers playing That get out of jail free card has worn way beyond thin.

  • Same in Kalifornia.

    Most of the State, despite the rep it’s got as a bastion of Pelosi-ites, are pretty decent folks with their priorities in the right place but the Political Machines in the Big Cities are as corrupt as Chicago.

    Voting machines being snatched away into car trunks at 1 am, and ballot boxes found floating in the SF bay.

  • “She states, “Though effective for the treatment of serious mental illness such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, ”

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2013/03/risperdal-haldol-zyprexa-neurocognitive.html

    https://www.madinamerica.com/2012/12/a-recent-study-of-atypical-neuroleptics-the-results-of-our-study-are-sobering/

    Dr Houseknect: Take up your “Effective” with the Veterans Administration.

    http://www.mirecc.va.gov/visn3/education.asp

    “Algorithms:

    A review of existing algorithms, including VA National Guidelines, APA, the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP), and PORT was conducted. After careful consideration, a modified version of TMAP was selected, and named the New Jersey Algorithm.

    The sequence includes two trials of atypical antipsychotics followed by a Clozaril trial. If no favorable response is observed, a third atypical neuroleptic is tried, followed by a typical neuroleptic, followed by a combination of antipsychotic medications. The consensus of the internal advisory committee was to provide a flexible algorithm that will allow for minor modifications as new research is disseminated. Though a positive outcome has not been observed with the NJ Algorithm to date, researchers suspect that a larger sample size might generate significant findings in the future.”

    VA Serves 5.3 Million Vets and Active Duty personnel, at the widely disseminated 1% of everyone has Schiz stuff, that’s 53,000 people the VA has hosed with SGAs and 1st gen antipsychotics too.

    53,000 people for NO positive Outcome with Any of these drugs.

    But then “Effective” to someone scamming $1.2 Million of other people’s money, which we Don’t have, is obviously a different “Effective” than the “Effective” the people Paying for that “Effective” and the people being Poisoned by that “Effective”, along with Any decent English Language Dictionary, understand the word “Effective” to mean.

  • Oh For God’s Sake.

    This is kicking the can down the road rather than dealing with the already voluminous evidence that these drugs don’t belong in a dead snake, much less a living human being of any age.

    Until the FDA at least, gets Congressionally Divorced from its PDUFA addiction which has them continually issuing releases about better serving Industry to speed new drug approvals, we are not going to see anything But, “THE TAX PAYERS NEED TO BE CHEATED YET AGAIN, This time for another $1.2 Million, to DELAY TAKING THIS KILLER CRAP OFF THE MARKET.

    http://pharma.about.com/od/FDA/a/2012-Renewal-Of-The-Prescription-Drug-User-Fee-Act-Pdufa.htm

  • If our nation hadn’t descended into this crap:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutic_jurisprudence

    there’d be a lot less ‘Diagnosis’ stressing consumers out to start with: perhaps even None.

    “The approach was soon applied to the way various legal actors–judges, lawyers, police officers, and expert witnesses–play their roles, suggesting ways of doing so that would diminish unintended antitherapeutic consequences and increase the psychological well-being of those who come into contact with these legal figures.”

    Does Anyone Want to live in a world where Judges, Lawyers and Police Officers have become Therapeutic/Psychological Quacks who believe that it is not only at their Discretion, but their Paid Duty to do exactly as they Damn Well Please, under the rubric that it’s “Therapeutic”?

    Oh, we’ll just dispose of You at the Looney Bin, because it makes Our job that much easier.

  • Duane;

    What cracks me up is that I provide the actual, Federal Criminal Codes, and it appears that nobody bothers to actually Read Them.

    This collectivist, Hegelian Horse Hockey,

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2011/10/san-franciscos-dbt-communism-swallow-it.html

    even Without the lobotomy in a pill, Has driven defrauded consumers to take their own life, and/or the lives of others.

    Whenever a Therapist slaps one of their non-science Labels onto the consumer, that consumer’s Federal Civil Rights are Violated in a Conspiracy against, and Deprivation under color of Law.

    http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C13.txt
    241 & 242

    The pills, even without a completed homicide, are already worth up to 10 years in the Federal Slammer, Per Script.:

    http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C95.txt
    Sec 1958, also Sec 1952 & 1956

    How could I not be opposed to any portion of the Psych Con?

  • David Ross; (are your credentials meriting of the term Doctor? I ask, in true candor, because if they are, I will address you in said term out of respect for the work you put it into it, . . . so long as you don’t Ever ask me, . . . “Why can’t we all just Share and Share alike, . . . it’s only “Fair” after all.”) 🙂

    Thank You for your kind words Sir.

    Furthermore, re: Humanists:
    http://www.teapartyinfo.com/quote-bank.html

    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”
    ~Daniel Webster

    Duane;

    As Dr. Thomas Szasz put it:

    “Until Psychiatry becomes nothing more than a conversation between equals”

    Unequivocally and most emphatically YES.

    S**t Can it. ALL of it.

    Legal experts will argue the validity/supremacy of the next source (and why shouldn’t they at various multiples of hundreds of dollars an hour) but this does sum up the argument in an easily digestible nugget:

    http://www.journalofaccountancy.com/Issues/2004/Oct/BasicLegalConcepts.htm

    Definition of Fraud

    All multifarious means which human ingenuity can devise, and which are resorted to by one individual to get an advantage over another by false suggestions or suppression of the truth. It includes all surprises, tricks, cunning or dissembling, and any unfair way which another is cheated.

    Source: Black’s Law Dictionary, 5th ed., by Henry Campbell Black, West Publishing Co., St. Paul, Minnesota, 1979.

    Duane; Psychology’s Eidolons were an Atheist, (Freud) a Socialist (Adler), and the Fuehrer’s, Jew Bashing Boot Lick (Jung).

    These 3 A’holes are the Trifecta of Depth Psychology upon which all subsequent schools of Psychological Theorizing are built.

    There is Nothing which CAN be ‘Fixed’ in Psychology/Psychiatry since the whole thing is built upon a foundation of FRAUD.

    A house erected on rotten concrete cannot be ‘Improved’ upon. It is doomed to collapse no matter what color new siding and drapes, or expensive appliances are added to it.

    And to Both of you, I hope you’ll enjoy these two following essays.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/oleg-atbashian/inside-every-liberal-is-a-totalitarian-screaming-to-get-out-2-1/

    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/frontpagemag-com/inside-every-liberal-is-a-totalitarian-screaming-to-get-out-2/

    Duane, you Know, . . . I actually like you and respect you.

    Why the Hell did you ask me a Loaded Question like that? 🙂

  • Ross;

    We need to dig further into this Humanist Manifesto, I quoted the Title Bar as an opener, not the main course.

    From the Humanist Manifesto III itself:

    “Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness. Progressive cultures have worked to free humanity from the brutalities of mere survival and to reduce suffering, improve society, and develop global community. We seek to minimize the inequities of circumstance and ability, and we support a just distribution of nature’s resources and the fruits of human effort so that as many as possible can enjoy a good life.

    Humanists are concerned for the well being of all, are committed to diversity, and respect those of differing yet humane views. We work to uphold the equal enjoyment of human rights and civil liberties in an open, secular society and maintain it is a civic duty to participate in the democratic process and a planetary duty to protect nature’s integrity, diversity, and beauty in a secure, sustainable manner.”

    “are committed to diversity”

    Except those who believe in God.

    Ross, in that entire page do you find an actual mechanism for bringing into existence all of their high flown, pie in the sky’ idealistic desires?

    Of course not.

    This Manifesto is nothing more than 1 World Govt, NWO, Agenda 21 (secure and sustainable?) sand box progressivism.

    “Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness.”

    Oh Really? Dead giveaway that these people are interested in Society over the Individual.

    “Progressive cultures have worked to free humanity from the brutalities of mere survival and to reduce suffering, improve society, and develop global community.”

    In a Pigs Ear they have. Progressive is PC for Collectivized. “Progressive” Societies have murdered over 100 Million people in the last century alone.

    “We seek to minimize the inequities of circumstance and ability, and we support a just distribution of nature’s resources and the fruits of human effort, . . .”

    Not “Equal under Law”, but Equality of Outcome/Socialism.

    They might as well have just directly attributed the sentiment to its true origin: The Communist Manifesto.

    “a planetary duty to protect nature’s integrity, diversity, and beauty in a secure, sustainable manner”

    As in UN Treaty’s dealing in “Carbon Credits” which have made Al Gore one of the Richest men in the world, and all of it built and peddled on flat out Lies.

    http://www.climatedepot.com/
    http://junkscience.com/

    The question to be demanded of Humanism is WHO will be in Charge of all this redistribution, and What is to stop them from running rampant over the Rights of the Individual once they’ve achieved this power/capability to PROMISE the Entire Planet all of this wonderful sounding stuff?

    Ross, Psychology itself is Humanism.

    Want to play along with them?

  • “It is by no means clear”

    Good Without A God ?

    Humanism has to drag God into their discussion to identify their beliefs.

    Involving God even to deny or negate God involves Religion.

    If you don’t believe that Secularism is a religion, try debating it with an adherent.

    Try getting an atheist to prove that there is no God. Have them produce the objective, hard science, and good luck to you.

    If humanism Had a case to make for its “Good” (without a God) it would have no need to Invoke God merely to bootstrap its own pretensions by.

    Governments/Societies can ignore Atheists and harm No One.

    Governments/Societies cannot however, Support Atheists OR any denomination of any other BELIEF, Without harming many.

    If you still don’t think that this is FAR more than simple semantics:

    Justice Roy Moore spent $11,000 of his own money to erect a 10 Commandments monument, and lost his job over it.

    What we have Here, with Humanism, is the US Treasury being Billed to prop up the other side of the argument, and That is Illegal.

  • Thank you Dr. Steingard;

    I searched 1boringoldman+humanism and came up with the greatest number of hits for the term humanist here:

    http://1boringoldman.com/index.php/2010/05/16/re-forming/

    in which Dr Nardo seems to look down his nose at the Catholic Church and finds the term Secular Humanist to be Invective laden.

    Quoting Dr. Nardo’s post:

    “Independent of one’s thoughts on either of these issues, gay marriage and abortion, it’s hard to figure how they are among the most insidious and dangerous challenges to society. This kind of talk cannot be grounded in a rational look at our society that I understand – particularly the issue of gay marriage. It seems likely that the actual point is more apparent in this statement: the Pontiff also criticized Catholics who are ashamed of their faith and too willing to lend a hand to secularism.

    Once, long ago, before the in vogue epithet was liberal, someone said to me, “you secular humanists all think…” I had never heard the term before. I was in a club that I didn’t know existed – the secular humanist club. It was in the days before the Internet, so it was a while before I ran across the meaning of the term. Secular humanism is a humanist philosophy that espouses reason, ethics, and justice, and specifically rejects the supernatural and religious dogma as the basis of morality and decision-making [sounds good to me]. I’ve since heard it frequently, but never as anything but a slur. It’s a way of defining an enemy as if it is a cohesive group. Well, there may be secular humanists meeting on the sly, but I’ve never heard of them. It means someone who isn’t religious or doesn’t look to religious dogma for answers [which is a lot of us].

    There’s something else in the Pope’s statement besides the invective – secularism. He says the reason some Catholics might support abortion or gay marriage is that they are ashamed of their faith. In his scenario:

    abortion and gay marriage are dangerous challenges to society
    secularism is a bad thing, and an enemy of the Catholic Church
    support for these things is because people are ashamed of their faith

    It’s very hard for we erstwhile secular humanists to get into the right mindset to hear the Pope in his own context. In his universe, the Catholic Church defines society. And secularism is a term that ism-izes rational thought – as if it is a belief system. I suppose it’s something like the question, “Do you believe in evolution?” – again, as if evolution is a belief system rather than simply the narrative applied to a large body of clear scientific observations.”

    “It is very hard for we erstwhile Secular Humanists, . . . ”

    I’ll take that as Dr. Nardo’s embrasure of ‘Humanism’.

    1st: We must address the Legal Aspects of Govt. funding/respecting ‘Humanism’, not only in medicine but in all aspects of American life.

    It’s Illegal, period, and for the purposes of this discussion it is specifically Illegal for the Centers For Medicare Services (CMS) to dispense public funding/support for ‘Humanism’ in any area of endeavor.

    the 1st Amendment states:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    Billing Medicare/Medicaid to ‘Respect’ Humanism is prohibited by the Highest Law in the land.

    Depriving people of their Unalienable Civil Rights by financially supporting/respecting Any Religious Belief System or single Religious Belief is Prohibited BY LAW under US 18C13 Sec 214 & 242

    http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C13.txt

    And Further:

    “Secular humanism is a humanist philosophy that espouses reason, ethics, and justice, and specifically rejects the supernatural and religious dogma as the basis of morality and decision-making [sounds good to me].”

    Please notice the title bar:

    http://www.americanhumanist.org/humanism/humanist_manifesto_iii

    “Good Without A God”

    Humanism therefore does fall under the 1st Amendment as a Religious Belief.

    “Secular humanism is a humanist philosophy that espouses reason, ethics, and justice, and specifically rejects the supernatural and religious dogma as the basis of morality and decision-making [sounds good to me].”

    And Psychiatry Doesn’t “reject the Supernatural and Religious Dogma” ?????

    The Occult World of Carl Jung

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2011/07/occult-world-of-cg-jung.html

    ” humanist philosophy that espouses reason, ethics, and justice, ”

    So did Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin.

    In brief, as my Less Diplomatic politically Conservative Brethren have had it:

    “The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist is the Satanist knows who they’re working for.”

    I’ve a number of further nits needing picking with Dr. Nardo, but since he’s not here, I’ll take them up with his Secular Humanist at his own site.

    And Thank You Dr. Steingard for bringing this ‘Humanism’ issue to my attention.

  • Dr Steingard;

    “a field that he thought had the hope of combining humanism with science”

    Could you be so kind as to direct me to wherever it is on Dr. Nardo’s site that Dr.Nardo personally articulated this particular goal?

  • Duane;

    Thank You.

    It always chaps my hide to read bloggers who were literally put on an elevator to hell by these drugs, Call them ‘Medications’.

    And since there’s nothing even remotely medicinal about them, they don’t have any place in professional medicine.

    I don’t give a rat’s hind foot What the prescriber’s work ticket says, but Especially with Psychiatrists; Shrinks work with these drugs 40 hrs or more a week. A full third of them can’t even be bothered to read the FDA Label.

    And Yet, everybody else is expected to believe that these clowns who do nothing but sell dope and ‘Diagnose’ mystic, incurable spiritual diseases, are so stupid that they still can’t figure out what those drugs actually do.

    It’s called, . . . Plausible Deniability, . . . or as I’ve pointed out time and again, it’s a Courtroom Defense which boils down to: “The Drug Companies Lied To Us about how Safe and Effective their Drugs Are, and We Believed Them.”

    Because an injured consumer has a snowballs chance in hell of beating a Drug Company in Court whereas winning a judgment against a Doctor is a Far, Far, Lower Bar.

  • Reality check:

    Whose got the muscle to ram this through?

    And if it looks as if its actually Going to be implemented, how long will it be before Senator Foghorn guts it with a rider or amendment to it or some other bill calling it a Protect Intellectual Property Rights issue?

    This is not going to fly. Drug Makers and their Street Vendors have the money and machinery in place to make sure it never gets out of the stocks.

    Look at what Congress did when they got caught up to their eye teeth in Insider Trading shennanigans.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/15/Congress-Guts-Key-STOCK-Act-Provision

  • Found this on my screen capture of:
    http://www.namiscc.org/News/2002/newsletters/SchizophreniaDec-11-2002.htm.
    which just returns me a 404 today.

    October 4, 2002

    No Sign Yet Of That Smoking Gun – Book Reviews By: Daniel Nettle

    Note: Links below take you to the Amazon.com link for purchasing the book. The Amazon link also has 25 pages of sample reading from Nancy Andreasen’s book for your review.

    Brave New Brain: Conquering Mental Illness in the Era of the Genome By Nancy C. Andreasen Oxford University Press 368pp, Pounds 24.99 ISBN 0 19 514509 7

    Which can be yours for 99 cents used.
    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Brave+New+Brain

    In Search of Madness: Schizophrenia and Neuroscience By R. Walter Heinrichs Oxford University Press 347pp, Pounds 32.50 ISBN 0 19 512219 4

    Hardly a week goes by without our reading of a particular psychological disorder that has been traced to a rogue brain chemical, or brain area, or beyond that to a genetic variant. These two books, in their different ways, reflect the fact that psychiatric research today sits at the intersection of neuroscience and genetics, and a very long way from the psychodynamic terrain it once occupied. Nancy Andreasen is one of the ushers of this ongoing paradigm shift. Twenty years ago, one of her books, The Broken Brain, became the general reader’s herald that the scientific consensus about psychological disorders was shifting. Here she returns to survey the ground, choosing this time the new genetics and brain scanning as the tools that are making light the dark recesses of the mind. Andreasen’s book is a solid enough overview of some aspects of modern biological psychiatry. Her summaries of the techniques of contemporary human genetics, and of brain scanning and the cerebral architecture it reveals, are extremely clear and useful. By the time she comes to survey the main psychological disorders, though, she has run out of steam slightly. Thus, while these chapters constitute useful introductions to schizophrenia, affective disorders, anxiety and dementia for those who have no prior knowledge, there is little in the way of synthesis of what we now understand to be the nature of these disorders or of the puzzles that remain.

    In the case of schizophrenia, for example, far from the twin searchlights of genetics and brain-scanning locating a nice clean smoking gun, they have revealed much more complexity and variability than we could possibly have imagined. Despite some welcome words about the need to avoid obstructive dichotomies (nature vs nurture, brain vs mind), Andreasen is not prepared to engage with the possibility that neurobiological research might make us question the whole conceptual framework – a set of neat, discontinuous disease categories – that her book employs. Anxiety and mood disorders, for example, are treated as separate chapters in the book without comment, while genetic and neurobiological evidence leads us increasingly to think of them as related or even different aspects of the same thing. Many of the brain abnormalities (and some of the genetic loci) associated with schizophrenia are also associated with bipolar mood disorders, a crossover difficult to accommodate within a discrete framework.

    So, . . . .

    Braaaaaain Psy-ence.

    And This next Bio-pantload was on the same NAMI page.

    December 11, 2002
    Brain Imaging May Detect Schizophrenia in Early Stages
    By ERICA GOODE, New York Times

    Scientists have known for some time that people who suffer from schizophrenia show abnormalities in the structure of their brains.

    But in a new study, researchers for the first time have detected similar abnormalities in brain scans of people who were considered at high risk for schizophrenia or other psychotic illnesses but who did not yet have full-blown symptoms. Those abnormalities, the study found, became even more marked once the illness was diagnosed.

    The subjects in the study who went on to develop psychoses had less gray matter in brain areas involved in attention and higher mental processes like planning, emotion and memory, the researchers found.

    Experts said the study’s results, reported yesterday in an online version of The Lancet, the medical journal, offered the possibility that imaging techniques might eventually be used to predict who will develop schizophrenia, a devastating illness that affects more than 2.8 million Americans. Doctors could then offer treatment while the disease was still in its earliest stages, possibly preventing further damage to the brain.

    But Dr. Christos Pantelis, an associate professor of psychiatry at the University of Melbourne and the lead author of the report, cautioned that much more research was needed before magnetic resonance imaging, the method used in the study, could serve as a diagnostic tool for individual people with schizophrenia.

    “I think it’s still too early to say how helpful it will be,” Dr. Pantelis said.

    Still, other researchers called the study’s findings exciting and said that the areas of the brain in which the abnormalities were found would now be an active focus for study.

    “This is a terrific first step,” said Dr. Paul Thompson, a professor of neurology at the University of California at Los Angeles and an expert on brain imaging and schizophrenia.

    Dr. Herbert Y. Meltzer, a professor of psychiatry at Vanderbilt University and an expert on schizophrenia, said, “It proves that the psychosis is almost a late stage in the evolution of the disease process.”

    He added, “The key message is that this is a neurodevelopmental disorder and that changes in memory, learning, attention and executive decision-making precede the experience of the psychosis.”

    People who suffer from schizophrenia typically experience auditory hallucinations and have blunted emotional responses and difficulty with activities that require planning or other higher-level processes.

    Some studies have suggested that the earlier the illness is treated with antipsychotic drugs the better the prognosis. At least two research groups, one led by Dr. Patrick McGorry, an author of the Lancet report, and another at Yale, are conducting studies in which young people who are experiencing some symptoms but have not yet developed schizophrenia are treated with antipsychotic drugs. But the studies have been controversial because it is not yet clear which symptoms predict later illness.

    In the new study, the researchers used magnetic resonance imaging to scan the brains of 75 people who were deemed “at high risk” for psychosis because they had a strong family history of severe mental illness or had other risk factors, including transient or mild symptoms of mental disturbance or a decline in mental functioning.

    Over the next 12 months, 23 of the subjects developed a full-blown psychosis and 52 did not fall ill, the researchers found.

    A comparison of the brain scans from the two groups revealed significant differences in the volume of gray matter in areas of the frontal and temporal lobes and the cingulate gyrus. All three regions have been linked to schizophrenia by previous research, Dr. Pantelis said.

    When the researchers conducted additional brain scans on some subjects who developed psychoses, they found further reductions in gray matter not seen in the scans taken before the illnesses were diagnosed.

    Uh-huh. A preventative poisoning with antipsychotics will prevent further brain shrinkage and perhaps stave off schizophrenia.

    Well, they say you can tell a bit about a person by the company they keep.

    DSM-IV-TR

    Schizophrenia and Other Psychotic Disorders Work Group
    Nancy Coover Andreasen, M.D., Ph.D. Chairperson
    John M. Kane, M.D. Vice-Chairperson
    Samuel Keith, M.D.
    Kenneth S. Kendler, M.D.
    Thomas McGlashan, M.D.
    Schizophrenia Text Revision
    Michael Flaum, M.D. Co-Chairperson
    Xavier Amador, Ph.D. Co-Chairperson

    And that would be This Dr. Flaum who penned a piece asking Why all the fuss over the 1939 Monster Study where 22 orphans were experimented on to attempt to teach them to stutter, since no harm was intended and none done, according to Dr. Flaum.

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2011/12/monster-study.html

    http://www.uiowa.edu/~cyberlaw/hsr/MFDI0904.html

  • Duane;

    $38 Million, for photographic Proof of these drugs eating brains and she “Sits on it for a couple of years?”

    The pics Should have been made available for peer review if she really gave a fig as to whether or not people needed to remain on them.

    And BTW, though my original links aren’t good at this point, in 2008 she was also sitting on AZ panels deciding which promising Young Investigator got a $45K Career Booster from AZ’s till.

    It’s no wonder she Sat on her research.

  • I don’t need Dr Andreasen’s linguistic equivocations to know what I need to know about Dr Andreasen. I looked her up as Principle Investigator in the NIH databases some years ago.

    In 1992 the NIH handed her 4 Awards $1,998,219.00
    In 1993 the NIH handed her 5 Awards $2,518,408.00
    In 1994 the NIH handed her 5 Awards $2,737,473.00
    In 1995 the NIH handed her 5 Awards $2,913,534.00
    In 1996 the NIH handed her 5 Awards $3,118,021.00
    In 1997 the NIH handed her 5 Awards $3,202,780.00
    In 1998 the NIH handed her 4 Awards $2,282,706.00
    In 1999 the NIH handed her 6 Awards $2,412,744.00
    In 2000 the NIH handed her 6 Awards $2,888,069.00
    In 2001 the NIH handed her 5 Awards $2,997,578.00
    In 2002 the NIH handed her 4 Awards $2,310,037.00
    In 2003 the NIH handed her 4 Awards $2,066,857.00
    In 2004 the NIH handed her 3 Awards $1,480,891.00
    In 2005 the NIH handed her 4 Awards $1,912,926.00
    In 2006 the NIH handed her 4 Awards $1,481,088.00
    In 2007 the NIH handed her 3 Awards $1,709,162.00

    Total: $38,030,493.00

    Now on to the NYT from 2008

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/health/research/16conv.html?_r=0

    Q. AND WHAT HAVE YOU FOUND?

    A. I haven’t published this yet. But I have spoken about it in public lectures. The big finding is that people with schizophrenia are losing brain tissue at a more rapid rate than healthy people of comparable age. Some are losing as much as 1 percent per year. That’s an awful lot over an 18-year period. And then we’re trying to figure out why. Another thing we’ve discovered is that the more drugs you’ve been given, the more brain tissue you lose.

    Q. WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS HAPPENING?

    A. Well, what exactly do these drugs do? They block basal ganglia activity. The prefrontal cortex doesn’t get the input it needs and is being shut down by drugs. That reduces the psychotic symptoms. It also causes the prefrontal cortex to slowly atrophy.

    If I were developing new drugs, I’d switch targets. Till now it’s been chemically formulated targets. I believe we should be thinking more anatomically and asking, “With schizophrenics, which brain regions are functioning abnormally?”

    Q. ARE YOU WORRIED YOUR FINDINGS MIGHT BE MISUSED?

    A. The reason I sat on these findings for a couple of years was that I just wanted to be absolutely sure it was true. My biggest fear is that people who need the drugs will stop taking them.

    “THE MORE DRUGS YOU’RE GIVEN, THE MORE BRAIN TISSUE YOU LOSE.”

    “The reason “I SAT ON THESE FINDINGS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS”

    Over $38 Million dollars of other people’s money, and she sits on her findings for a couple of years.

    Sitting on those $38 Million Dollar Findings was not her decision to make.

    Those $38 Million Dollars belong to the American people, NOT HER.

  • 2 Questions here:

    How much money went into this cheezy CGI?

    Who is Paying for it?

    But then, I suppose it’s not really as stupid as it looks, considering:

    In San Francisco, which has a higher density of Astral Plane surfing Disease Mongerers than any other town in the US, they were paying the Chief Shrink $181,600 a year to deal with the ‘Symptoms’ of other peoples minds, and HE was overjoyed to tell the world that not Only was the most important part of his Professional life hieing himself off to Esalen to watch feature films for the ‘Mentally Ill’ but that he was Also a member in good standing of the “Illuminati”.

    This crowd has cheap CGI. The San Francisco treat watched The Wizard of Oz for (not with, but FOR, the ‘Mentally Ill’
    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2010/08/watching-wizard-of-oz-todays-bio.html

    They were also real big on a white wash of a mass murdering Communist Revolutionary named Che, and one about a Milllionaire Hollywood Drag Queen (Tootsie)

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search/label/Illuminati%20Psychiatric%20Bio-Science

    And apparently, It Worked, because this Shrink and his fellow mental healthers got to be So good at making ‘Symptoms’ go away, that they extended their otherworldly powers to 2 Brick and Mortar Hospitals and Staffs and made Them disappear too.

    http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search/label/SFMHB%2006%2F13%2F07

    There are days, when I look into Psych that I begin to feel like I’m looking at a freshly manured 400 acres of farm fields.