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And things are different now, how?
Thank you for taking these issues on, professionally, RightsRNotWrong.
And thank you for the clarification regarding what does and does not occur via AOT/Laura’s Law in California.
Pretty scary stuff coming at all of us from many different angles. Good work, also, Michael, for bringing this issue up–saw it in the news days ago and knew it had to get some air time here.
Yeah, just imagine what losing your kids to your abusive ex in a dirty, corrupt custody fight does.
And nope, still not ‘over’ it all these years later.
Justice is a lie, karma is a lie…and life isn’t fair. Get used to it.
Can we extrapolate then that Sylvain is swimming in ‘water’ he is oblivious to?
Thanks, uprising, for trying.
Working at Planned Parenthood for years taught me just how common molestation and rape were…and my own personal experiences (my mother was raped, my sister was raped, I’ve damn near been raped TOO MANY times), my circumscribed ambitions and activities…no, I would never want to be a man, but when I read essays like I did last week at another site basically saying that the way teenage girls dress ‘these days’ they are asking to be raped, it’s obvious how steeped in the patriarchy we all are. Rape isn’t about sex, it’s about *power over*. Power is a drug…
I *do* blame the doctors.
The “doctors” should KNOW about the drugs they prescribe, including how to quit them safely.
How were we, the patients, suppose to ‘research’ the possible consequences of benzodiazepines? Pre-internet, there was only the PDR, which was a big blank as far as PAWS/ID is concerned, only mentioning ‘addiction’ as a possible down side. All I knew was that I was a ‘good little patient’ and always took the same low dosage for *years* (wanting desperately to avoid the dreaded ‘addict’ label), and when tolerance withdrawal reared it’s ugly head, my ‘health care’ provider had no clue and just prescribed *more* drugs…
No residual symptoms? Really?
Ah, saw you post above.
Good news, T, Thanks!!!
No Pets allowed. I haven’t seen a rental for years that allowed pets.
I only wish I could afford a dog and a yard and a garden of my own and enough money for groceries and the electric bill. If only.
The neighbor dog has been barking *all day* (great for my nervous system) for many days now; my plan is to go over there, knock on the door, and offer myself as a dog-walker while this person is at work. Obviously the dog is bored. Just so you don’t think I’m not trying…
What she said^^^
Me, too, Meghan. EXACTLY as you describe.
Thanks AA, that’s very kind. But I don’t *do* facebook. I realize I’m missing out on some things but knowing what I know about data mining and co-opting by…well, not for this thread. I’m glad there’s that option for others~
And I married my abusive mother…not literally, but yes, once abused, always abused? I’m the family scapegoat..always the ‘identified patient’ and always wondered when I was a child, and my mother kept dragging me to counselors, why it was that they never talked to *her* about what was going on at home.
I don’t think it’s a shock that those of us who end up in the ‘Mental Health’ system have trauma backgrounds…only to be re-traumatized.
Magnesium didn’t hurt…but never really saw any benefit. Being hell broke, I haven’t have the options of ‘alternative’ therapies (unless donated), and have mostly focused on cleaning up my diet, cutting out grains, sugar, caffeine, chocolate, alcohol (forever; interacts with gaba) and *all* other pharma/supplements, with the exception of the Imitrex I take for the migraines…a frequent issue for me and Vit. D.
Try to maintain some physical activity, recently began going to a (free) yoga class and have a friend who is using me as a case study for her biodynamic cranial sacral massage training. Acupuncture helped a bit during acute, for the inner vibrations and the weeks of insomnia.
I use distraction as best I can…which just leads me to feel like I’m wasting time as as time passes one wonders “is this how it is for the rest of my life?”
There are periods of time when the symptoms recede, the usual waves and windows pattern has been true for my experience…but at this time, it’s been months of slogging thru a litany of issues and I’m tired and discouraged. Permanent damage is a forbidden subject on the support boards, and the constant admonishments to ‘think positive’ just makes me feel that much more alone.
*don’t watch this if you’re in a fragile condition
No, I didn’t misunderstand at all.
What do you know about PAWS/ID? Have you any idea of the duration? Why would I want to take another drug, for whatever length of time, altering the neurochemical soup in my brain (again) after suffering the trauma from PAWS/ID?
I want my brain back. After 46 months *after* a slow taper (the Ashton Manual recommendations are too fast!) my impairments are not recognized by ANYONE in the medical ‘community’ or (as the author states) by friends/family/employers etc.
The isolation and the shifting deficits have made my life not really worth living as it passes me by, void of meaning or enthusiasm for *anything*.
WOW just what I want to do; take *another* drug, this time a ‘new’ one to counteract the adverse effects of the *first* drug. I’m trying to get off the merry-go-round, not sustain the ride.
In *YOUR* opinion.
And it’s worked so well in the past…for accomplishing nothing. O wait; the rich still manage to hold the reins. Huh.
Lessig’s thesis: Trump is removed because he was helped by “Mother Russia” (!), Pence “should” resign since he got the same help, Ryan steps in. “If Ryan becomes president, he should do the right thing and choose Clinton for vice president. Then he should resign.” This is where we are. Poor Larry. Such a shame.
Lifted from the links portion of Naked Capitalism today.^^^
Why is that?
Maybe it’s the system they operate in?
I’m losing my wifi signal
but here take a gander
Look like the usual bunch of Goldman Sacks/Exxon/corporate slime bags as ever to me.
Doesn’t keep us from being part of the economic system tho, does it? Still have to pay the rent and buy groceries…
This whole discussion is discouraging.
Eric Coates had some good ideas in comments from another blog post but can’t remember (thanks, psychiatry) which one.
My comment has been removed for not being helpful.
Can’t really see anything in this discussion that is.
Commodifying ‘caring’ is not the answer. Rebuilding relationships in one’s community, workplace, sharing burdens and tasks, sharing childcare/eldercare, having tea with your neighbor…being HUMAN with one another without selling pieces of ourselves off as ‘consumers’ is what is needed, imnsho. They mine our data, they use our bodies so we can house, clothe and feed ourselves, they dangles shiny toys incessantly in front of us so we always feel less than complete, they divide us by creating controversy (life is life and the rankings of who or what is important is imposed on us by hubristic humans and their flawed economic systems), our recreations are other directed and costly etc etc etc. The set-up of our lives is fraudulent. I am not an economic unit. Reciprocity and the reverence of sanctity of life in all it’s forms are what I try to strive for, admittedly not always successfully. Power-over structures are to be avoided…there are cultures who have practiced these ( e.g. the Zapatistias) living arrangements. You don’t hear about them largely due to their smallness in their ecological niches. What’s coming up for all of us in the coming years will teach the lesson (again) on how to live simply…if humans survive at all. Certainly we are losing much of the diversity of life on the planet as the steamroller of capitalism grinds everything in it’s path into dust.
Commodifying caring is creepy. Making money off someone else’s misery is wrong.
Caring for money; that’ll fix it.
Capitalism *is* the elephant in the room.
Not ‘crony’ capitalism.
The whole premise is not sustainable, and we’re living at the end of the road. The ‘resources’ are played out, more growth (capitalism) is killing us all.
Good essay, Will, but I don’t’ think Lessig has any answers. He’s a player, too.
Great essay, Kalina.
Shared it with a local paper in a community that is hellbent on opening an inpatient psych facility to spare them the taxpayer expense of shipping folks in distress outta there. O, and to relieve law enforcement from having to deal with ‘those people’. It’s frightening for me to see that folks really don’t want a ‘solution’–they just want to not have to deal with the ‘homeless’ and the marginalized who act out.
Moar grof~~until we kill everything on the planet…for money.
Capitalism. On a finite planet. With finite ‘resources’.
Nice, insightful discussion.
Thanks for posting!
Lots of good stuff here, Eric.
I agree with John.
Enjoy your legal cocaine.
I’m GLAD GLAD GLAD they’re talking about pills pills pills!
Blah blah blah blah….
My concern with this article, Monica, is that it seems to support what the federal government has been claiming for decades.
I’m with you about legalization of all drugs…and I never meant to imply that pot cannot be a ‘bad trip’ for some folks. The comments inspired by this article are frightening to me…and seem to have an agenda other than just ‘warning’ folks of the possible dangers from using cannabis products. I also think psych/pharma drugs, which are legal, cause way more damage to unsuspecting and trusting ‘consumers’ than pot ever did.
I’m also reacting to my one experience in the county ‘crisis’ unit after a brutal separation from my abusive husband. I was monitored closely for ‘marijuana’ use when out in the world fulfilling my only part-time job at the time. The staff couldn’t understand why I would drive a half hour to do this job if it didn’t involve my injesting marijuana somehow. Except I wasn’t. I was keeping with a routine that gave me a modicum of meaning while in a state of chaos.
Guess that’s why the federal government keeps it listed as a class one drug.
Guess all those people serving time in for profit prisons for marijuana offenses is justified. It’s a dangerous drug.
I see the light now.
I call bullshit.
I have been around pot smokers my entire adult life. Some people react badly, sure. I know people who don’t do marijuana because they have had negative experiences (mostly anxiety/paranoia). But ‘mania/psychosis’? I suggest there were additional drugs in play.
Again, as I stated above, I lived in an area whose economy revolved around marijuana. In my non-scientific, personal opinion, I saw FAR MORE damage from alcohol and methamphetamine than I ever did pot.
Pot is smoked by *all kinds* of people, not just bums and deadbeats. Humans have been altering their consciousness for millennia! Herbs and plants have been used in rituals and ceremony for eons! Pharmaceuticals cause far more damage than pot, imo.
Those who go on to other recreational drugs and become addicted have more going on in their social milieu that predisposes them to escape their pain with drugs. *gateway drug* HOW QUAINT!
Who funds this author? Who funds these naysayers? Who is threatened by legalization? Cui bono?
The history of the criminalization of marijuana is an interesting one; it has everything to do with threatened industries and not much to do with ‘protecting’ the public.
If I wasn’t feeling so impaired after my years of psych meds, I’d give out some links, but in my world all this is common knowledge.
You new commenters; where did you come from and who do you work for???
It’s Reefer Madness all over again!
“Sadly, the cannabidiol (CBD) concentrations in currently available marijuana have remained the same or decreased.”
Maybe in *your* neighborhood, but as someone who has lived in an area almost wholly supported by the pot industry, this statement is bunk. Lots of growers are specializing in CBD strains; it’s all the rage.
This author needs to get out more.
I wish I could recall where I found the link, somewhere on this site tho. It was an article by a fellow ‘mental health’ professional, and you stated in the comments something to the effect that forced treatment was sometimes necessary.
Have you revised your views?
My brain is still not up to par after a slow taper from long term prescribed Klonopin, but I’m pretty sure I read that comment/sentiment by you somewhere. I’m interested in getting to know you, and your views on forced treatment would be welcome as part of my personal evaluation. I’m sure many of us who populate the MiA site would be interested as well.
Dr. K support forced treatment; maybe you could talk about *that*.
Heartbreaking, with echoes of my own experience but somehow managing to escape the suicide. The doubling down on the ‘medication’ bit seems to be the protocol–where do they get such outlandish advice? The drug reps?
My mission in life at this point is to educate as many as possible about these horrible drugs. I grieve for all the losses incurred as a result of the profit motive. Isn’t it funny what is considered to be ‘normal’ (profits more important than life)?
http://www.benzobuddies.org has lots of information about the process…mostly adhering to the Ashton Manual.
and I personally prefer http://survivingantidepressants.org…there's a benzo section and sensible advice about micro-tapers.
But it’s not the CORRECT term for what’s happened to us! If there’s ever to be any sort of support from ‘the medical community’, it needs to be recognized and not blurred with a whole ‘nother phenomena. ‘Detox’ clinics do not work for those of us who have become dependent on psych meds, and that is generally all that’s available to us when we decide to get off our prescribed ‘medications’.
I can tell you’re trying and I appreciate that about you.
Sorry if I was abrupt. For kicks sometime, you should take a gander at BenzoBuddies or Surviving Antidepressants.
I have never, ever, had the urge to take any benzo after finally ending my taper. I don’t think many of us with PAWS do. I tried NA for support earlier in my process and I found it to be not helpful: I am not an addict, and I won’t ever confess to being one. It isn’t about stigma, it’s about the language we use, and the terms are important when it comes to helping those with ID from benzo use.
Eat your GMO/Round-upTM factory farmed watered with fracking well water food, and shaddup! It’s GOOD for ya!
Did you know that commercial wheat is sprayed after harvest with Round-up as a desiccant? Yummmmm! Did you know that the wheat commercially grown these days has 4x the number of genes than what our ancestors cultivated? Gluten sensitivity and celiac disease are two different things…
Look it up.
I went thru it and lived.
No drugs…I just white knuckled it. It does ease off after a period of time (for me about 3 months). I DID get some acupuncture done, and that seemed to help a bit with the sleep, but eventually I had to learn some self-soothing techniques: meditation, taking one moment at a time, distraction, exercise as tolerated-and getting outside. There’s lots of support online i.e. “Surviving Antidepressants” and “BenzoBuddies” and others. You are stronger than you think! It IS hell. And for me it continues to be hellish when waves of symptoms hit, but there have been windows of time when I almost feel normal, and that keeps me going. All of it unpredictable with no time-frame.
Coming off psych drugs is not for the faint of heart. It’s your choice, it’s your body. I just wanted my brain back and not be a slave to BigPharmaTM. You also might want to check out Robert Whitaker’s “Anatomy of an Epidemic”…I stumbled on a review of it in the NYRB, and the lightbulb went on; my whole experience with psychiatry there on the pages.
Good luck to you.
WTF *is* “Mental Health”??? Keeping the term around will always imply that there are “EXPERTS” who know what’s ‘healthy’ and what’s not.
What’s annoying about the ‘think positive’ thing is this: it DENIES the room for discussion about what’s going on with a person. It cuts off communication. The message really is, “SHUT UP ABOUT IT ALREADY”.
Bright Sided is very good, and gets to the political roots of when and where all this ‘think positive’ stuff seeped into the culture.
I’ve been seeing more and more push-back on the whole ‘think positive’ meme that is so pervasive in our ‘culture’…and this from Good Housekeeping? Bravo!
Riding it out. Knowing what is happening to you is helpful. I didn’t have a clue when the akathisia hit.
A good support system and true informed consent is required.
Finding BenzoBuddies saved my life.
That’s a bunch of pills….
It’s actually quite difficult to OD on just benzos.
The oral LD50 (lethal dose in 50% of the population) of diazepam is 720 mg/kg in mice and 1240 mg/kg in rats. D. J. Greenblatt and colleagues reported in 1978 on two patients who had taken 500 and 2000 mg of diazepam, respectively, went into moderately deep comas, and were discharged within 48 hours without having experienced any important complications, in spite of having high concentrations of diazepam and its metabolites desmethyldiazepam, oxazepam, and temazepam, according to samples taken in the hospital and as follow-up.
Overdoses of diazepam with alcohol, opiates and/or other depressants may be fatal.
They were considered to be much safer than barbiturates when they came out in the late 50s and early 60s…see “Mother’s Little Helper”
Thanks, Cole, for your refutation of Dr. Shipko’s benzo stance.
As another benzo/SSRI/SNRI/’mood stabilizer’ merry-go-round survivor, trading one evil for another should not be the protocol.
Benzos kill. As do SSRIs/all brain drugs. And kindling is a real thing…polypharmacy is rampant in our present system of ‘mental health’ care.
O for the ever elusive ‘right combination’ of meds to ‘fix’ our ‘chemical imbalances’…
Thank you, JanCarol, for all your wonderful, succinct, and on-point comments~
It’s thought by some of us ‘guinea pigs’ that a phenomenon call KINDLING happens when the brain gets jacked around by one too many drug changes/withdrawals. Antidepressants play a huge part of that. It would be great if the good doctor looked into that.
I give up
When that ‘opinion’ harms others, ummmm, no, it’s not OK to let it slide.
It’s a very big deal around here: iatrogenic damage.
And who the heck are YOU?
A Celebration of Ignorance
Carl Sagan: “I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time–when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no representing the pubic interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing back into superstition and darkness. The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30-second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance.” From The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark (1995)
and the cherry on top:
“How is the distortion of the notion of freedom by neoliberal beliefs related to political humiliation? The state, in serving the market, functions as a disciplinary regime, especially in relation to people who are working-class and poor. Sociologist Wacquant (2009) indicates that the state punishes the poor for their failure to be entrepreneurial-consumer subjects. The poor receive bare amounts of resources from the state, as a way of punishing them for not serving the state/market. From this perspective, humiliation involves communicating to people who are poor that they are economic failures (on the dole), and failed political subjects—hence disposable. Other sociologists dispute this idea of punishment and instead argue that the state disciplines the poor by devising ways to force poor people to live by market rules (Soss, Fording, & Schram, 2011). By receiving austere levels of resources, it is believed poor people will be motivated to work hard and improve their lot. Whether one sees this as discipline or punishment, each involves dependency on the state that is more concerned about the vitality of the market than it is about its poorer residents. The state, in other words, distorts political freedom by equating it with economic freedom and in the process disciplines or punishes poor persons who are constructed as failures. We might call “these people” economic-political losers who have demonstrated misuse of the “freedoms” the state provides. “They” are shamed in myriad ways in the media, which may function to incentivize some segments of the population to work harder. Shame, in this instance, becomes a tool of the market to produce and maintain entrepreneurial-consumer subjects who exercise their “freedoms” by obeying the imperatives of the market society. In short, the state is directly involved in humiliating poorer persons instead of working to facilitate parity of political participation and a just distribution of resources.”
Living wage jobs?
Minimum wage jobs?
What freaking jawbs?
Our standard of living has been eroded by the corporations who have bought our ‘government’ and shipped all decent jawbs overseas~
You’re right, there’s plenty of work to be done, unfortunately, it isn’t compensated for in a way that sustains a mere individual in our present economic system. How many gigs does it take to pay the rent, *and* the gas money to get there, let alone afford a vehicle?
I went without a car for 7 years cuz I COULDN’T afford one, let alone repairs, tires, insurance etc. and yet a vehicle is just about a requirement for employment. Public transit has been gutted–those of you preaching about JAWBs obviously are living in a fantasy world and I’ll BET you’re getting some sort of benefit your own selves.
No Social Security for you, huh, Frank? Just how did you accumulate all your worldly goods anyways?; are you getting paid to sit behind a keyboard and pick on those unfortunates on the bottom of the food chain and rail about anti-psychiatry? As I mentioned to another regular on these pages; I’d rather have a root canal than sit in a room with you and work on the ‘movement’. Maybe one of the reasons there *is* no movement.
Your rants against the disabled and the poor are scapegoating pure
Could you wait on customers with severe anxiety (or akathisia)? The jobs available out there are service jobs, dealing with *customers* for minimum wage. I know I still can’t deal with people on days/weeks when I’ve had zero sleep and my blood sugar drops out and when I freak out about every little thing–you all act as if iatrogenesis is just a little blip and we should just pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and get back onto the wheel even tho our gears are stripped.
How about we save a bunch of money by not subsidizing the medications that are damaging our brains, eh? Or put the MIC on a diet…that’ll save some dough. But no, people like Frank, and all you others behave like this psych drug thing is minor inconvenience.
Get real, and quit scapegoating those that suffer–believe me, living on disability is barely that. Why dontcha get pissed at some bankers or something? The mean spiritedness I’m seeing here is shocking; and yes, it’s SCAPEGOATING.
Deja vu all over again~
O and ps
Should we kick all those useless eaters on Social Security retirement off the ‘entitlements’ and make them bag groceries or work as greeters at Walmart? No man is an island. I’m guessing that not having any social supports is what brought a majority of us to the ‘mental health’ system in the first place.
pss to Frank’s reply below (no reply button)
I’m not claiming ‘mental illness’–but I am claiming IATROGENIC damage from involving myself in the ‘mental health’ system when I was distressed and had nowhere else to turn.
And I believe my own experience and those that I read about in online support groups–the folks *damaged* by your ‘placebo effect.
I believe that the damages caused by psych drugs in general, and SSRIs/SNRIs and tricyclics in particular, is a unacknowledged epidemic.
Please listen, Doctor. Your position of power over others I believe is impeding your ability to be an unbiased observer.
Thanks to Richard, Dan Smith, Slaying et al who are bringing this to your attention.
Good comment, Richard:)
Important, but still subscribes to the concept of ‘mental illness’ as being valid, and supports ‘treatment’, however benign.
As I said~
Of course it’s a slippery slope when it comes to a decision like that in regard to those who are labelled ‘mentally ill’…I didn’t mean to ignore the point of the article. It’s just that I’ve thought about it long enough, and many of my older friends have as well–I think we should all have the right to decide when to leave the planet, and not give Modern Medicine ™ another nickel on the backs of suffering elders. Modern Medicine ™ acts almost like it’s a personal affront to ‘lose’ a patient, even if they’ve already been coded 4 times…Death is part of life, and pretending it’s not part of the great circle of life is part of our problem as a society. IMNSHO.
I would love to have some Nembutol on hand–with the way the world is going *I* want to make the choice about how/when I want to die. When the shit hits the fan, just knowing that I have the option would give me a great deal of peace.
So glad there’s finally some organized movement behind the benzo holocaust.
Thanks for all your efforts; I do what I can here in my immediate environment given the limitations I presently live under.
The carnage needs to stop.
The toll is huge.
BenzoBuddies uses the Ashton Manual like a bible–from what I’ve seen online in my limited experience over the last 45 months, it seems to me a micro taper is the way to go.
Lots of information about that on Surviving Antidepressants~~~~
Why is it so hard for you to believe that *your* experience is not universal?
I discontinued Klonopin after a few months use cold turkey the first time I was prescribed them. It was a rough 2 weeks or so but I got past it. It’s the ‘kindling’ phenomenon you seem to be ignorant of. Again, everyone is different. I’m 45 months out from what I thought was a slow taper after a subsequent ‘script that I took *as directed* for almost 10 years. It has been hell on earth–no joke. How many commit suicide due to the myriad of horrific symptoms that occur after even a slow taper? It will never be known. Benzos are poison. I can see a use for them for only very short term, but brain changes happen as soon as 4 days. There is no true informed consent because practitioners are clueless when it comes to long-term damages caused by benzos.
You might look into the “Surviving Antidepressants” website. There’s extensive information and support about slow tapering Benzos. All those brain meds have similar PAWS profiles.
“Addiction Myth” is not good source for help with tapering.
You might also check out some of Robert Whitaker’s books, (the founder of this website) and youtube for videos regarding safely discontinuing benzos.
Benzos cause *brain changes*…even yours.
Some are lucky and escape the worst of the iatrogenic damage (did you know that benzos are derived from BENZENE, a well known carcinogen?) but piling on psych meds to mask the adverse effects of tolerance withdrawal helps ‘kindle’ the brain, making PAWS more likely.
But of course, *everyone* is just like you:)
Sorry for your situation, which is ALL TOO COMMON.
They call it “Benzo rage” on the support boards.
I, too, am ‘older’ and sometimes wonder what’s the point of the years of intense suffering.
I can honestly say that the iatrogenic damages have forced me to literally ‘live in the moment’ and find joy in the small. Getting thru yet another shitty day sometimes feels like climbing Mt. Everest. I *do* have periods of time when I feel ‘almost normal’ but they cannot be counted on to last…
Nobody gets it unless they’ve been thru it, and WE SHOULD BE COMPENSATED for the loss of our lives as we knew them…financially, physically, spiritually and interpersonally too; many of us have had our lives ruined without any sort of acknowledgement from the powers that be, which is just another insult to add to the myriad of crap we must contend with daily.
I hope you find someone who you can share your experience with who will listen and not judge. I had a good ‘friend’ dump me not long ago after supporting me for 3 years–I emailed a video made by a benzo victim that featured Dr. Heather Ashton and Dr. Malcolm Lader who speaks frankly about the brain damages and the duration of the suffering. I asked her to please just watch the first 10 mins. She came to visit a few weeks later and apologized; tears were shed and the friendship ‘patched’ up, but not really. I will never fully trust her again.
It’s such a long, hard, lonely road…and I’m still not sure I’m glad I’m ‘med free’ at this point~
You are not alone.
If you read to the end of the article, the writer is a proponent of the genetic theory of ‘mental illness’ which makes the rest of the article moot for this reader.
What your experience is/was does not necessarily translate into other’s.
I think there’s a lot to be said for micro tapers, which is discussed and supported at length on Surviving Antidepressants. I thought tapering over a year and a half was slow; 42 months later and still significantly impaired, I wish I would have known about *anything* at all regarding how to safely discontinue long term use of Klonopin.
There’s the social control issue, too.
I think benzos should be used only in very specific circumstances short term.
They are *dangerous* and TOXIC and are handed out like candy impacting a huge segment of society, many of whom are unseen and are unknowing as they get medicated with additional drugs for the adverse symptoms that the benzos themselves cause.
People need to be aware that 10-15+ percent of those prescribed benzodiazepines are at risk for a severe post withdrawal syndrome that can last for years/the rest of your life. It is a living hell.
True informed consent in regard all psych drugs/pharma drugs *rarely* happens.
Those that experience adverse effects can become a ‘burden’ on society…and you libertarians wouldn’t like that at all, would you, CAT?
What a hard job.
Thank you for being someone who *listens*~
It’s just all so sad…I’m not sure where you find the fortitude.
Ehrenreich, not Ehrlick
Thank you, Aaron, for sharing your story.
I think it’s somewhat remarkable that the psychiatrist at McLean wrote down ‘iatrogenic’–that’s HUGE.
“Our stories or personal narratives are constantly being misconstrued and misappropriated by mental health professionals in the form of pathologizing progress notes and other clinical documents.”
yep~and so it goes
I’d like to see a source for that information.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true.
Thank you, Steve.
Boo fucking hoo, cat.
Rape can happen to men, too. But the odds are that the perps are MEN.
25% of American women suffer from sexual violence…in my own life I have *very nearly* been raped numerous times. My mom was raped, my sister was raped and countless friends of mine have been raped. Sexual trauma is pivotal for those seeking mental health ‘services’ only to have the mental health ‘services’ inflict further damages.
pet peeve, sorry
otherwise great comment
Martha Rosenberg rips off another expose of big pHarma
the last sentence is gratifying…and pertinent to this blog.
I beg to differ in regards to the ‘war on pain patients’.
My neighbor, who passed a month ago (unrelated to story), went cold turkey off her Effexor and trazadone rather than submit to a pee-test that the clinic now requires for all patients receiving triplicate rxs.
I think people in pain should be able to access pain meds, but supervision and follow up are needed…and that rarely happens here. An accurate diagnosis would be good, too, but again…
BTW cat, I like your consent form above. That’s worth saving for future use.
The shear amount of damages caused by treatments? Surely that is worthy of consideration?
I thought you were sayin’ poverty was all a state of mind? (forum post on Ben Carson’s philosophy)
“Benzos are not dangerous drugs”
Watch even the first 10 minutes of the film linked to above. Dr. Heather Ashton (the only doc to have ever researched how to get off benzos safely and the fallout from their use) compares what’s happening to people all over the world as a result from iatrogenic damage taking benzos *as prescribed* comparable to the thalidomide scandal.
Addiction is the wrong word for most who get caught in the trap.
Benzos changes the brain. Iatrogenic damage from as little as a week of use can happen. It’s BRAIN DAMAGE.
The ADDICTION language is harmful to the millions of us who are going thru hell years later after we got off the ‘medication’ (AS PRESCRIBED!!!) .
Watch the film and educate yourself cuz otherwise you are not really grasping the issue here.
not at all against pain meds…true informed consent is rare when it comes to benzos and antidepressants, however
I would have never have taken either if I had known the rest of my life would be filled with so much impairment and loss…BRAIN DAMAGE!!!!
The full film
Sure would like some legislators to see it…
Thanks for this, Monica. Very timely considering the dynamics around here lately.