Donald Trump spoke at the NRA convention in TX and he says that the solution to these spree shootings is in Mental Health.
He is completely wrong!
Now I do know that we need gun control, but I also don’t think gun control alone is going to do it.
We need gun control and we need something else, but we must not go to a Mental Health Police State, must not have Psychiatric Policing.
I read some of this:
The Wiley handbook on violence in education : forms, factors, and preventions / edited by Harvey Shapiro (2013)
Because it has a chapter about Elliot Rodger, the 2014 Isla Vista Shooter.
That chapter was written by Ralph W. Larkin, and he has been one of the major writers on the Columbine Shooting. He sees Rodger in a similar way, the product of a culture and doctrine put out by the NRA, of violent retribution, and that message being the folk message of The Republican Party.
Thank God they didn’t entangle you in the Mental Health System.
Joshua
If we stop supporting the Mental Health System, then it will dry up.
Joshua
If people submit to peer support, then they will be disclosing their affairs to people who are probably not allies.
In the worst case they serve in the role of cops.
Joshua
Rebel, I am not sure if I am understanding your real meaning. But suffice to say, we need to eradicate the entire mental health system, and we need to be educating people about it so that they do not succumb to it.
Our local government always tries to turn poverty and homelessness into mental health issues, so that they can further subjugate people.
Resistance needs to be organized, Underground Railroad, Safe Houses, and strategies to resist the authorities f2f. And of course the problem is compounded because some of the targets will go along with all of this.
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Prior to today’s affirmative Senate floor vote, the CARE Court bill – SB 1338 by Senators Tom Umberg and Susan Eggman – passed the Senate Appropriations committee in a 7-0 vote last week. This means that CARE Court has been considered by three separate committees and has passed every single one without any opposing votes, and has now cleared the Senate with bipartisan support.
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Joshua
KateL, the entire Mental Health System exists only to shame and discredit, not just ECT. We need to eradicate it and prosecute the practicioners.
Josha
Yes this is true. Systemic racism is rampant in our society and with your police.
But there is no reason we should be listening to mainstream psychology, or to any kind of psychologists.
Joshua
Uvalde was especially disturbing because like Sandy Hook, it was at an elementary school. TX Governor Greg Abbott wants to say that this is all because of Mental Health. Trump tried to say the same thing about the spree shootings.
They are wrong. Citing Mental Health just amounts to saying that morality is declining, personal failure. This is wrong. You won’t be able to make sense of it by looking into the head of the shooter.
It looks to me like the only reason for Gavin’s Care Courts is to be able to force people into these programs via court authority. And then of course “Severe Mental Illness” will always mean anyone who refuses to submit.
Joshua
Rebel,
“not intervene in someone else’s life path.”
Intervene in someone’s life path. Who does that? The Mental Health System, because it is an arm of the state.
And in CA, Governor Newsom is trying to set up special courts for this. We need to oppose this and be ready to resist it.
And of course people come to their own conclusions. But what have they been listening to?
Usually it is the rhetoric of Recovery, Therapy, and Mental Health Treatment. And usually this is coming from the family. This is where the idea of innate moral defect, the modern version of Original Sin, starts.
Viable alternative? Well once people are freed from idol worshiping, they will have the greatest of the human spirit and the wonders of the cosmos before them.
Yes, they are slaves because of what is on the inside. And how did it get there? Most of the time it has come from the family. Drugs, Alcohol, Born Again Christianity, and Psychiatric Medication.
Of course people need to make their own decisions. We need people who will decide and commit to opposing the Psychiatric System, and in general to opposing the idea of Original Sin.
Diaphanous,
Yes the world is changing and for the most part this is better. But there are still some serious problems, and the Mental Health System is one of them.
Various worthy and important campaigns you speak of, but all efforts are sabotaged when people believe in the Mental Health System.
People are tracked into Mental Health, Prison’s, Homeless Shelters, Recovery and Motivational Programs, Psychotherapy, and into Salvation Seeking. Usually this is coming from the family, but it is also highly influenced by the ways that government authority is behind it.
Joshua
This is a good article. Nothing about the Mental Health System is benign. We need to organize, educate people, and eradicate it.
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On the other side, CARE courts are opposed by more 50 advocacy organizations, including the American Civil Liberties Union California Action, the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law, the California Psychological Association, Disability Rights Advocates, Human Rights Watch, Mental Health America of California, the National Homelessness Law Center, Psychologists for Social Responsibility and the Racial and Ethnic Mental Health Disparities Coalition.
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“The [CARE court] process is you either enter into an agreement to have the treatment that we want you to have, or the judge will order you to do the treatment that we want you to have, so it’s coerced care, and that’s highly problematic from a civil and human rights perspective,” Raphling said.
“The [CARE court] process is you either enter into an agreement to have the treatment that we want you to have, or the judge will order you to do the treatment that we want you to have, so it’s coerced care, and that’s highly problematic from a civil and human rights perspective,” Raphling said.
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Kevin Baker, director of government relations at ACLU California Action, said in a recent interview with Law360 that the CARE court plan is also flawed because people who are homeless and severely mentally ill are unlikely to come to court to respond to a petition against them.
“This model assumes that the person who needs services is sort of the bad guy who needs to get hauled into court,” Baker said.
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Shonique Williams, a statewide organizer for Dignity and Power Now, a Los Angeles-based grassroots organization that advocates for people who are incarcerated and their families, said she experienced firsthand how Black people are misdiagnosed with severe mental illness by behavioral health specialists.
Williams, now 30, said that when she was 15 she was misdiagnosed with bipolar disorder after her best friend was murdered, even though she was experiencing normal grief and loss at the time.
According to Williams, her best friend was the only person she confided to about family abuse, and after her friend was murdered, she became depressed and attempted suicide. She was hospitalized for her suicide attempt.
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Mental health advocates say a better alternative to CARE courts would be more affordable housing and voluntary, community-based mental health services.
According to a 2001 study conducted by the RAND Institute and commissioned by the California Senate Committee on Rules, court-ordered treatment in itself is not more effective than voluntary treatment. Instead, an outpatient treatment program’s success is determined by its resources and ability to deliver services.
Gallagher said that California will not be able to build out its voluntary mental health services if the state keeps funneling funding into involuntary treatment programs.
“There will never be enough services to meet the need in the voluntary sphere as long as we continue to divert voluntary funds away from that,” he said.
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Joshua
By making repeated raids into Maryland, Harriet Tubman was able to liberator over 700 slaves. What she said about this was, “I’d of been able to liberate a lot more if only they’d of known that they were slaves.”
Today the Middle-Class Family tracks people into Drug Use, Prisons, the Mental Health System, Homeless Shelters, Recovery Programs, and Salvation Churches. Most of the people still do not see that their is anything wrong with this.
Joshua
This shock therapy should not exist, not in any form. And nor should the Transcaranial Magnet.
These practices have no medical value, and the people doing it carry government issued medical licenses. They should be prosecuted for Crimes Against Humanity in the International Court.
We must eradicate the entire mental health system:
We need instead to work to eradicate the entire mental health system.
Joshua
If no one accepted the Psychiatric Neurotoxins, and no one accepted Psychotherapy, Healing, Recovery, Motivationalism, or Salvation Seeking, then we would not longer have to worry about them being made coercive.
But as it is today, they often are coercive, and Gavin Newsom in CA is trying to make an overt Psychiatric Police State with Internment Camps.
We must organize to act, and this has to start with education.
Joshua
We need to organize and bring about not an alternative to psychiatry, but an end to psychiatry and to the entire mental health system.
Joshua
We need to organize to oppose the mental health system. And where it is made a matter of law, like Gavin Newsom is doing in CA, we must resist it and make it as hard to enforce as possible.
Joshua
The analogy to slavery comes simply because people have been continually exploited, and then lied to about it. There is no social support for coming to see this.
People now talk about “Dysfunctional Families”, this obscures the exploitation that is the Middle-Class Family because people are not living authentic lives, but instead have children so that they don’t have to deal with their own stuff.
And those who seem to have have survived with some residual awareness intact are those most likely to end up as fodder for the mental health system. It is like slavery because people are being made to believe that this is the state they deserve. Challenging this without getting into vastly more trouble is extremely difficult.
Joshua
Oops
To even entertain an idea is to legitimate the bio-neuro pseudo science. Should be better things to write about, like how people are organizing to eradicate the mental health system.
Very negative that this has gotten this far, and with the number of Senate Co-Sponsors, it seems like it is impossible to stop it.
Need to start organizing resistance, Safe Houses, Underground Railroad, and Legal. Need to prepare people for how to stand up to this.
Advanced industrial and information technology has made an economy of gross surplus and the middle-class family creates scapegoats, and so you have a huge number of people on the margins. So many are unhoused and so large areas of the law have become unenforceable, so they are turning homelessness into a ~mental illness~.
Joshua
May-May, we need to eradicate Psychiatry and the entire Mental Health Edifice.
Joshua
Bradford, the quest that some parents have to find the locus of original sin in their child is an unending quest.
What Lloyd deMause wrote is that this is using the child as a poison container, and it goes back 1000s of years. I look specifically to the sacrifices of Isaac and the daughter of Jephthah as the archetypes.
The quest to find defect in one’s child can get quite extreme.
The middle-class is something which arose because of the industrial revolution. One of its characteristics is smaller families. But to be middle-class means to have adopted a reactionary identity. The middle-class is the first large group of people that has choices. But they don’t want choices, they want something to hide behind.
The middle-class does not have to have children. But most do because they want the social approval. They don’t want to have to take responsibility for creating their own values and choices. So they are not living up to their own values. They have children so that they can exploit them. And when you see that their is enmity between parent and child, this is always the reason for it.
What we erroneously call ~mental illness~, is merely the experience of not being at home in the world, or of not having a place in the world.
Specifically pertaining to the facetious mental illness ~schizophenia~, they say that one of its characteristics is a lack of social mapping. The supposedly ill person has not found their place in the world.
Well what you cause this?
For one thing we live in a pretty crazy world. But the more immediate cause is simply of having one’s affairs arranged from the very beginning by exploiters, by people who have been using you, rather than dealing with their own stuff.
So then when this starts to break down, often it is the parents who invoke the white coats, but not always. But the idea that there is something wrong with the child seems to always originate with the parents.
And our society makes redress and public vindication very difficult. All it really offers is an endless array of denial systems.
Thanks Bradford for the encouragement and I consider a discussion like this very constructive.
And Robert Whittaker has been very brave, nothing in his books ever talks about Psychotherapy, Healing, Recovery, Motivationalism, Forgiveness, or Salvation Seeking.
Joshua
There is no such thing as mental illness. The idea persists because people have an interest in promoting it. Usually it is to get money.
The alternative to Psychiatry and to the entire Mental Health Edifice, is the middle finger.
Joshua
CA SB1338
So it says:
“From committee: Do pass as amended. (Ayes 7. Noes 0.) (May 19).”
and then the last entry says:
“Read second time and amended. Ordered to second reading.”
I don’t know that that really means, and when it is supposed to be happening.
IMHO, one problem with this is that so many State Senators have committed themselves to this in these committee, that it is very hard to block.
But if it is getting amended that means there is some dissent, and it could give people cover for changing their position.
Amendment history:
AMENDED IN SENATE MAY 19, 2022
AMENDED IN SENATE APRIL 07, 2022
AMENDED IN SENATE MARCH 16, 2022
We should have a plan in place for opposing this, and for resisting it should it pass. Most of the time the psychiatric system runs because most of its victims cooperate with it.
And this CARE COURT plan is just a means of using the psychiatric system because their being so many unhoused people, people with little to lose, that many laws have become unenforceable. This is a blatant attempt to use Psychiatric Procedures and Courts, to modify people’s behavior and to make them compliant.
Recent News?
Gavin Newsom’s CARE Court plan for mentally ill is controversial — and long overdue
Lamentable that this author supports involuntary treatment.
Joshua
Rebel, the Mental Health System exists to rob people of their legitimacy. And so it is a situation comparable to people being held in a state of slavery.
So it was posted:
“I think MIA should be a teaching and clearinghouse website.”
Well that is comparable to having discussions with slave owners.
There is no reason that any of us should go along with any pro-psychiatry, pro-psychotherapy, pro-recovery, or pro-salvation seeking stance.
We don’t need to collaborate with the enslavers in anyway, and we should not.
We don’t need to go along with them just to give ourselves some illusory credibility. And IMHO this is the main problem with this MIA Forum, that it tries to gain credibility by collaborating with the abusers.
And the doctrine of forgiveness is one of the main ways the abuse is continued.
We have to be willing to stand up for unpopular minority opinions and not to ever cave in just to seek approval.
The industrial age’s middle-class is probably the first large group of people who have a choice in how they live. And one of the most basic choices is whether or not to have children.
But the middle-class tries to paint itself as being like those in a traditional society, not having such choices, in order to gain approval. The middle-class lives in Bad Faith. And the people who pay the cost of this are the children.
In Robert Whittaker’s books there is nothing whatsoever which endorses the idea of Psychotherapy or Recovery, or any kind of Mental Illness. His books are brave.
Joshua
Parents will often decide to problematize a child. When they are middle-class, this usually involves doctors of one sort or another. This is what makes it hard to prosecute.
The kinds of abuses done by the lower class are quickly detected and prosecuted. But with the middle-class, they hire their own doctors. And where mandatory reporting should have the doctor reporting them as soon as the child gets to their office, in practice these doctors follow a business model which precludes reporting. The doctor figures that if their is any problem, it can be solved simply by the doctor counseling the parents. No matter that this approach to it is specifically illegal.
And then when you have specialties of doctors who treat non-existent ailments, you have a downward spiral.
Joshua
May-May, people sometimes will feel “depressed”, using that in the common sense of the word.
It’s like Peter Breggin says, people feel depressed because they are leading depressing lives. It usually comed down to issues like career and marriage. And then it is often because of ways they have been taken advantage of and blocked in the attempt to educate and develop themselves and build their place in the world.
But as far as Clinical Depression, and Brain Chemical Imbalance, there is no such thing. There is no evidence that there is any such thing and there never has been.
We need to eradicate the entire mental health system. And we need to be litigating to get compensation for its victims, and we need to be educating people in how to resist it. And we should never cooperate with it in any manner whatsoever.
Joshua
This town hall meeting is really interesting. They speak to this Care Courts Plan, not with Psychotherapists, and not with Psychology Journalists, but with Attorneys.
“Disability rights groups say that’s a violation of civil liberty. But some family members of the severely mentally ill say it may be the only way for them to survive.”
has interesting TV news video
In my observation the idea that someone is “Mentally Ill” is usually coming from the family, even if it were not spoken or if there were never any white coats involved. Some adults had so internalized this they they were primed for the shrinks.
Joshua
Well the people to do this teaching would be the people who have experience, the people who have been there before, people who have stood up to state authority in other situations.
I don’t know how this works in other states, but in CA it is 5150, the psychiatric hold. Usually the people are taken in their and they get drugged. And then the main thing, as it always is with the mental health system, is they try to convince the party that they have “Mental Illness” and that they need to be on drugs and disclosing their affairs to a therapist.
Well, we should be educating people to resist this in all available ways. And we should set the example that each use of this law will result in a law suit, and hospital personnel will be named in the suit too.
Even if these all get dismissed, it will encourage people to resist, it will tend to discredit the mental health system, and it will discredit the judges too.
And we should be educating the entire population, because usually the idea that someone is “Mentally Ill” seems to start within the family.
Joshua
Peer Support Mental Health Research supports the concept of “Mental Illness” and this supports the entire Mental Health System.
Joshua
Michael Shellenberger’s ideas are exteme. But in essence they are the same as what Newsom is trying to do. Newsom just seems to have some more procedural red tape.
MIA should be educating the entire society against the Mental Health System.
Joshua
Don’t know about this guy:
Michael Shellenberger’s number one issue: Homelessness, housing and the drug crisis. He’s hoping that even as a long-shot candidate, by running on these issues he’ll be able to break through.
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As governor, Shellenberger would create an agency he calls “Cal-Psych,” a bizarre Big Brother-style structure of mass institutionalization run by the state whose mission would be to round up the unhoused and coerce them into a system of shelters and “treatment.”
And people who don’t want to enter his benevolent Cal-Psych program? They can go straight to jail.
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DOES NOT SOUND GOOD!
Joshua
Says SB1338 is set for hearing May 19th. I assume this means APPR Suspense.
Nothing says how the committee senators voted to make this happen.
Not sure what is likely to happen. It is a very long list. Are they looking for when they feel they are clear to allocate the money, looking at all the other things on the list? No public hearing.
More Recent News?
Can’t find any.
Joshua
Autism-Aspergers-Neurodiversity is in my opinion an issue closely related to the ADHD hoax. It serves the needs of parents and it exonerates all perpetrators.
Joshua
Diaphonous, your words are encouraging.
Joshua
Well the alternative to “Integrated Community Therapy” and to the “Integrated Community Psychiatry” program at UC Irvine, closely tied to Rick Warren’s “Hope for Mental Health Ministry”, is simply to teach people to stand up for themselves. Don’t cooperate with these programs in any manner at all. Never discuss your affairs with them. If you have to deal with them f2f, handle it as you would when accepting the surrender of an enemy combatant in a war zone. Beyond that, never give out any information until you are represented by a lawyer. And of course the lawyer will tell you to say nothing.
And then as far as what people are being told to live by moment to moment, they need to see that they need to learn to feel their feelings. The less denial the better.
Sometimes in crises people will have to go on automatic. But you want to be able to go back to feeling at the earliest opportunity. So you need to allow time and energy for this. And you need to make sense of those matters of long ago which have effected you, and those things which have long remained outside of your awareness.
And so of course the last thing you want are mood altering chemicals or escapist practices. And those Psychiatric Neurotoxins should be recognized as life threatening. And you don’t want to be exposed to denial doctrines, and often Evangelical Christianity amounts to little more than this.
It takes a lifetime to learn to live in one’s own skin. But you have to do it. And this means that you have to develop your own emotional resources. You can’t look to therapists, recovery group sponsors, or to clergy.
Teaching classes that help with this kind of stuff is good. But it becomes psychotherapy when you are encouraging people to disclose their personal affairs. If people are doing this, then they are being taken advantage of.
Look at the example of the Black Panthers. They worked on political consciousness raising, not psychotherapy.
Joshua
“I think MIA should be a teaching and clearinghouse website.”
This does not work. Its like trying to tell slave owners that they should be more humane in how they treat their slaves. It is a contradiction in terms. All of us who passively tolerate the machinations of the mental health system are collaborators.
All anyone needs in order to free themselves from Psychiatry and Neurotoxins is the middle-finger.
But on MIA we debate back and forth with people who are using MIA to market their brand of mental health treatment.
Parents deal with issues that they create in their children because they have a need to find in their child the locus of original sin, and because they had children to give themselves an adult social status.
I think the idea that there can be dialog between the pro-mental health and the anti-mental health people is an illusion.
And Gavin Newsom’s Care Courts plan must be resisted by Any Means Necessary, and that starts by reaching out to those who will be targeted.
Joshua
“Maternal Mental Health Month”
This supports the Mental Health System, and the concept of Mental Illness. It also supports pedagogy.
Joshua
I strongly disagree with this editorial, and with Gavin’s positions. I want the Democratic party to dump Gavin.
The difficulties with the MadInAmerica forum are two fold.
Most of the blog authors are using it to try and legitimate the mental health system. Maybe not Psychitarty, drugs, and lobotomy, but they are still promiting the idea that people need Psychotherapy and that they need to disclose their affairs to a psychotherapist.
Secondly, there is no active component. There should be people standing at the entrances of every county hospital passing our flier that refer people to a web site, denouncing the entire mental health edifice, including psychotherapy and recovery groups.
This kind of protesting should be happening at the offices of psychotherapists, the Austism-Apsergers Doctors, and especially anyone who markets themselves with a Fix My Kid theme.
And most of the time the idea that someone is mentally ill starts in the family. There should be protest in front of every Social Services office.
And people should be told to never ever ingest psych drugs or disclose their affairs to any kind of a therapist, or to cooperate in any way at all.
Their hearing results document does not seem to list 1338
Suspense hearing will be on the 19th, and they don’t allow public comment. The schedule should be up on the 18th. But what does Suspense really mean?
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What is Suspense?
The Suspense File process has been a part of the Committee Rules since the mid-1980s as a way to consider the fiscal impacts to the state of legislation as a whole. The committee analysis indicates whether a bill’s fiscal impacts meet the criteria for referral to the Suspense File.
Bills that meet the Committee’s Suspense threshold will be placed on the Suspense File after testimony is taken at a regular-order hearing. A vote-only Suspense Hearing will be held prior to the deadlines for fiscal committees to hear and report bills to the Senate Floor. Bills will either move on to the Senate Floor for further consideration or be in held in committee and under submission.
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Not sure if this is really new, but it is the most recent I can find:
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Newsom’s plan is to create an entirely new legal process to compel the mentally ill into treatment.
The idea, known as Care Courts, would be to create a new branch within the civil court system where those suffering from severe mental illness and substance abuse disorders could be brought before a judge. Rather than face forced commitment or imprisonment, they would receive a treatment plan and be a appointed a “Supporter” to oversee their care.
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This is simply a way of breaking down people’s privacy and autonomy. For someone who is surviving abuses it is Second Rape.
Things like this are already going on in Colorado.
Joshua
This is still an attempt to delegitimate people by saying that they should be disclosing their affairs to a therapist and that the therapist knows something that they don’t already know themselves.
Joshua
This is still talking like there is something like clinical depression, and it is still making like people need to be disclosing their affairs to a psychotherapist.
This is making an argument to sustain the mental health system.
Joshua
Gavin’s legally mandated drugging is a nightmare scenario.
But Integrated Community Care is just a concept invented to perpetuate instead of eradicate the mental health system. That is the only reason for the article.
Joshua
SB1338, still says set for hearing May 16. But the schedule for appropriations said it was set at 10am. So IMHO, the reporting is a bit slow.
Ingesting rat poison also leads to poor neonatal outcomes. There is no reason to talk about this kind of a subject unless you are still saying that psychiatric neurotoxins are still sometimes legitimate.
‘We have to do more.’ Newsom wants $65 million to set up California mental health courts
Shows someone who has been beaten into submission and compliance.
AB2380 still tabled. AB2220 set for suspense file ( does this mean they are maybe suspending it, and does this mean that Gavin’s bills are taking its place? )
^ this has a 9min audio, but seems to be just a reading of the article text.
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The state has an astonishing 160,000 unhoused people. In Los Angeles, an estimated 20 percent of them have a formal diagnosis of serious mental illness, and the county jail claims the dubious distinction of being the country’s largest de facto psychiatric facility. In San Francisco, homeless deaths last year more than doubled — mostly because of overdoses. In response to the crisis and voters’ restlessness on the issue, California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) proposed in March tackling the problem with a sweeping new plan involving something called Care Courts that could push people with psychosis into treatment.
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One side sees the homelessness problem largely as a result of civil rights protections that make it too difficult to force treatment on people who desperately need it; the other asserts that there simply aren’t enough care and housing resources available and that the argument about “excessive” civil rights is at best a distraction.
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[ This is stupid article. The authorities always want to cast poverty and homelessness as mental health issues, and they always want to keep the homeless doped, especially the women. It makes it easier for cops when they have to deal with them.
There are civil rights voices in this, but there are no anti-psychiatry voices.
And the people behind this just want the streets cleared, they want the homeless in internment camps. And of course mental illness will always mean someone who refuses the internment camp. And severe mental illness will always mean someone who defends and upholds their privacy and refuses to take their meds.]
ADHD is one of the cluster of issues used in order to problematize a child.
Joshua
Bart, I’m going to be reading your book.
Joshua
Tamara, there is no such thing as Psychiatric or Mental Health issues. It is always based on diagnosing something else. It may be substance intoxication, it may be just being despondent over stressful and distasteful things going on.
And often the gateway drug is coming via the doctor’s prescription pad.
Good Article!
Joshua
SB1338 set for appropriations committee hearing May 16.
Senate appropriations committee has suspense hearing May 19. Don’t know that that means.
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The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, led by Supervisor Janice Hahn and Chair Holly Mitchell, May 3, threw their support behind AB 2220, legislation that would provide state funding for local Homeless Court programs. Homeless courts, like those that already exist in Redondo Beach and Long Beach and will soon be launched in Torrance, are proving effective in helping the hardest-to-reach individuals get connected with services and housing.
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They are just using the concept of Mental Health and the associated idea of moral defect to criminalize a group of people that is already vulnerable and to take away their autonomy and bread down what little dignity they may have left.
Joshua
The entire mental health edifice exists to delegitimate people. We must eradicate it.
They don’t seem to have a specific schedule. So I cannot guarantee from the above that it is tabled.
Can’t find any more recent news
Joshua
🙂 🙂 🙂
Joshua
Thanks Sera
Joshua
Integrative Community Therapy is one of the ways of supporting the idea that people need to be disclosing their affairs to the therapist sitting in the arm chair across from them. It supports the idea that people need to be reformed, corrected, re-directed. It supports the concept of mental illness. And the mental health system continues because people make up new justifications to continue it.
Of course what they think is indicative of mental illness will just be someone who refuses to discuss their affairs with a therapist and listen to lectures on self-reliance and forgiveness. And indicative of severe mental illness and warranting forced treatment will be someone who refuses to listen to their doctor at all and to take their meds
Joshua
The first step in learning to break free of the mental health system is to learn to use your middle finger.
Joshua
The greatest act of rebellion is to be genuinely happy after inflicting warranted and lawful consequences on abusers.
And yes, this might cause some churches and therapists’ offices to spontaneously combust.
Joshua
People disclose their affairs to a therapist because they believe in healing and that they need it. This is what keeps the mental health system going, and it is in effect covering up vast power imbalances and abuses.
The CARE Court proposal authorizes family members, first responders, including police officers or outreach workers, the public guardian, service providers, and the director of the county behavioral health agency, to initiate the process of imposing involuntary treatment by filing a petition with the court.[21] These expansive categories of people with the power to embroil another person in court processes and potential loss of autonomy, many of whom lack any expertise in recognition and treatment of mental health conditions, reveals the extreme danger of abuse inherent in this proposal. For example, interpersonal conflicts between family members could result in abusive parents, children, spouses, and siblings using the referral process to expose their relatives to court hearings and potential coerced treatment, housing, and medication.
Law enforcement and outreach workers would have a new tool to threaten unhoused people with referral to the court to pressure them to move from a given area. These state actors could place those who disobeyed their commands into the CARE Court process and under the control of courts. Given the long history of law enforcement using its authority to drive unhoused people from public spaces, a practice that re-traumatizes those people and does nothing to solve homelessness, it is dangerous to provide them with additional powers to do so.[22]
The legislation does not set meaningful standards to guide judicial discretion and does not delineate procedures for those decisions.[23] It establishes a contradictory and unworkable procedure by which a petition may be made on an allegation that a person “lacks medical decision making capacity”[24] On a mere showing of “prima facie” evidence that the petition is true, the person is then required to enter into settlement discussions with the county behavioral health agency.[25] If someone lacks decision-making capacity, they would not be able to enter a settlement agreement voluntarily. Unless the parties stipulate otherwise, failure to enter a settlement agreement results in an evaluation by that same behavioral health agency, which is used to impose a mandatory, court-ordered course of treatment.[26] This process is entirely involuntary and coercive. The role of the behavioral health agency poses a great potential for conflicts of interest, as they will presumably be funded to carry out the Care Plans that result from their negotiations and their evaluations.
The CARE Court plan threatens to create a separate legal track for people perceived to have mental health conditions, without adequate process, negatively implicating basic rights.[27] Even with stronger judicial procedures and required clinical diagnoses by mental health professionals, this program would remain objectionable because it expands the ability of the state to coerce people into involuntary treatment.
CARE Court will harm Black, brown, and Unhoused people
The CARE Court directly targets unhoused people to be placed under court-ordered treatment, thus denying their rights and self-determination. Governor Newsom, in pitching this plan, called it a response to seeing homeless encampments throughout the state of California.[28] CARE Court will empower police and homeless outreach workers to refer people to the courts and allow judges to order them into treatment against their will, including medication plans. Despite allusions to “housing plans,” CARE Court does not increase access to permanent supportive housing and, indeed, the bill prohibits the court from requiring the county to provide actual housing.[29]
Due to a long history of racial discrimination in housing, employment, access to health care, policing and the criminal legal system, Black and brown people have much higher rates of homelessness than their overall share of the population.[30] The CARE Court plan in no way addresses the conditions that have led to these high rates of homelessness in Black and brown communities. Instead, it proposes a system of state control over individuals that will compound the harms of homelessness.
Further, much research shows that mental health professionals diagnose Black and Latino populations at much higher rates than they do white people.[31] One meta-analysis of over 50 separate studies found that Black people are diagnosed with schizophrenia at a rate nearly 2.5 times greater than white people.[32] A 2014 review of empirical literature on the subject found that Black people were diagnosed with psychotic disorders three to four times more frequently than white people.[33] This review found large disparities for Latino people as well. CARE Court may place a disproportionate number of Black and Latino people under involuntary court control.
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would “require every city, or every county in the case of unincorporated areas, to provide every person who is homeless, as defined, with temporary shelter, mental health treatment, resources for job placement, and job training — until the person obtains permanent housing, if the person has actively sought temporary shelter in the jurisdiction for at least three consecutive days and has been unable to gain entry into all temporary shelters they sought for specified reasons,” according to the language of the bill.
So this is Muratsuchi’s earlier bill. It still is clearly using court authority and criminal enforcement to put the homeless into some kind of case management and to break down their privacy, and to put them into internment camps, where mental health is a central component.
This is an attempt to force people into these housing programs which may be very disruptive to their on going affairs of life because of the location. And it all seems intended to break down people’s privacy, which is a way to delegitimate them and to make them vulnerable to the mental health system.
SB1338
no more recent news
Joshua
I’ve also been reading much about the Gifted Movement, and one of the things I find the most interesting about it is that their people have diametrically opposite views to the Autism – Aspergers – ADHD – Neurodiversity Hoax.
Joshua
Thank you Dean for this article.
We need to take legal and legislative action to get the people that are in Psychiatric Detention Released, and to obtain redress on their behalf.
And we need to stop the propagation of the Mental Health System and the Mental Illness Myth.
And we need to fight people like CA Governor Gavin Newsom who are trying to set up special courts to turn homelessness and poverty into Mental Health issues.
Joshua
Mental Illness and needing treatment, therapy, or recovery, are the new Original Sin.
People who believe in Original Sin won’t stand up for themselves, they insead become compliant with authority.
Joshua
The first objective of the mental health system is to make people believe that there is such a thing as Mental Illness, and then to make people believe that they have it.
These homeless housing and support services already try to do that and to funnel people into mental health and on to drugs.
The test for whether one should be on drugs is whether or not they are angry or agitated.
Here is the first news I have found on AB2220
Board of Supervisors Support Muratsuchi Homeless Court Legislation
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“Homeless courts in Los Angeles County have been successful in helping the homeless,” said Assemblymember Muratsuchi, the lead author of AB 2220. “Rather than criminalizing poverty and mental illness, homeless courts provide pretrial diversion programs for minor criminal offenses with one-stop, wraparound services like housing assistance, mental health treatment and addiction treatment. The California Supreme Court Chief Justice’s Work Group on Homelessness recommends more homeless court programs. The Governor and Legislature should support this bill to establish a grant pilot program administered by the Judicial Council to provide funding for more homeless courts throughout the state.”
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What the Assembly Member does not tell you is that he is getting people into court by issuing citations for minor things, and then forcing them into services, which are already designed to funnel people into the mental health system.
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A bill sponsored by Torrance Democrat Al Muratsuchi, AB 2220, would create a homeless courts pilot program, offering grants to counties that can tailor programs to their own communities. Outdoor court in Sacramento in August may be less appealing than a spring beach day in Los Angeles County.
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None of this sounds good at all. And of course if anyone tries to resist, then they are of course ~Mentally Ill~.
This started when Donald Trump came to San Francisco and started talking about internment camps, and that was when Gavin Newsom started talking about involuntary psychiatric procedures. This AB2220 is just another angel on the whole thing.
Joshua
Raising money for education by selling CA lottery tickets always was a scam. Focus groups were held and that looked like the combination the voters would most likely go for. But the net increase in education funding has always been zero, because right off Governor Pete Wilson started raiding the money out the back door.
The budgeting in CA has long been really tough because of 3 strikes and other mandatory minimum prison laws, and because of Jarvis-Gann, separating property prices from property taxes. We incarcerate a greater percentage of our people than any other state, and that costs money. And then Jarvis-Gann has led to wild real estate inflation, while gutting tax revenue. Property taxes are actually a better way to fund the government than income tax, because it can be more progressive and it is much harder to evade, and it is more stable.
Ideas about raising money for homeless needs by gambling are equally suspect. And there should never be any kind of mental health programs. So these proposals are a gimmick, running in the confusion generated by Gavin.
What we need are Universal Basic Income and a Strong Public Housing Offering. Universal programs taking the place of needs tested programs.
I had not heard of this AB2220 bill before. It has not yet passed and it still seems highly suspect, criminalizing homelessness in order to get people under court authority.
And most of these programs to house the homeless are already internment camps and are designed to funnel people into the mental health system.
I think that with Democratic super majorities in both houses they probably just keep everything tabled until they decide there is something they are ready to proceed with, as this avoids open debate.
So I am not seeing any more recent news on Gavin’s SB1338
Joshua
Diaphanous, once someone has been convinced that they have ~mental illness~, there isn’t really much hope until they can come to see otherwise.
Joshua
The mental health system continues because some persons feel a desire to perpetuate it.
Now it says, “May 9 hearing postponed by committee.”
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Still no appropriations committee schedule posted for May 9th. That is expected Friday.
Not able to find any newer news.
Joshua
Birdsong, people do still use the term “nervous breakdown”. I certainly do.
One problem is that in CA, police or psychiatrists can place someone under a psychiatric hold, even when they have broken no law. I mean they could arrest them for Disturbing the Peace or Trespassing, or they could just tell them to get lost.
But no, they use Psychiatric Hold, 5150. Usually by the time they get out of there they will have been drugged, diagnosed, and prescribed to.
Most people go along with this too.
One guy I know, P., was having anxiety pains in his chest. He was under extreme stress, having his career terminated and being forced into early retirement and having to sell the home of his parents which had long provided him with a place in the world.
He was getting these chest pains and he felt that he was having a coronary. He told me later that his pains “mimic a coronary”.
So he drove his car to the hospital. Bad choice. But once there he asked them to admit him overnight. Good instincts, sort of. In the county hospital they deal with coronaries all day long. They have all kinds of ways of knowing that he isn’t having one.
Soon he was in an ambulance being shipped to an out of town psychiatric ward. He would be further diagnosed and drugged and prescribed to. Bipolar 2.
He would participate in group meetings each morning where patients would set goals, like trying to make it to the bathroom in time.
After 1 month he realized that he had things he needed to do, like selling the house. And so he got himself out. I commended him for this.
But he still believes in the mental health system and in the drugs.
I tell him that he should throw the drugs away. But he says, “But I want to enjoy my life.”
This guy is creepy and freaky. But mostly what makes him so is that he believes in the drugs and the mental illness concept, and that he is afraid of his feelings. I learned that you don’t talk to people who go along with the mental illness concept and the drugs. He constantly fears that if he gets too agitated he will again end up in the hospital. He believes that the drugs and Purple Beyonding are the only things protecting him.
He looked in PDR and found that there is a minimum recommended dose of the first drug they gave him, but they gave him a lot less than the minimum. It has an effect on him, but it does not fully masks his anxiety feelings.
So he has talked about suing them for too low of a dose.
He gives a stereotyped characterization of a deranged homeless person, and explains that the drugs are the only thing which stop him from being turned into that.
And of course getting disability money became a big inducement to go along with the mental illness interpretation. We should not work things like that.
Last time I talked to him he was up to a higher does and to 2 drugs, plus a third that he can take when he starts to feel anxiety.
Joshua
If you want a prototype of of someone on the “Spectrum”, I would cite Simon in Lord of the Flies.
He was sitting in a clear spot in the middle of a thicket communing with nature. Maybe someone else might have handled it differently, but mostly I think he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was the first to be killed by Jack and his pig hunters.
The text never uses any of the eugenics terminology.
Joshua
It is important that we fight against this idea of precarity being used to extend the mental health paradigm into yet another arena. We want to remedy the power imbalances and unworkable economic situations which cause precarity, not to invent another reason that people should be answering depression questionnaires and sitting in their therapist’s office and disclosing their most personal affairs.
Joshua
Always seemed to me that the Autism/Aspergers Hoax and the ADHD Hoax are closely related and work pretty much the same way.
It is the money. It is because so teachers and school therapists are on high horses, and most of all because some parents need to find the locus of original sin in their child.
And it was possible to Other a child long before the eugenics terminology was ever invented.
Jenifer, I don’t even talk about child abuse, not unless there are criminal charges on the table.
To call it abuse makes it sound like something aberrational. It makes it sound like with better enforcement and lowering the tolerance bar, it is something that we could eliminate.
But this is not true.
So I only talk about child exploitation. That conveys the essential characteristic, that it is pretty much universal. Sometimes there seem to be mitigating factors, but you never completely get away from it.
Child exploitation is central to middle class identity. The kinds of abuses conducted by those who have gotten ejected from the middle class are easily detected and prosecuted. But with the middle class it is very different. These parents read pedagogy manuals and so they know the talk, and they hire their own doctors. So the doctors’ licensing prevents prosecution.
The middle class is probably the first large group for which having children is a choice. They usually don’t talk about it like it is a choice, but it is.
For the people in traditional societies it is not a choice. It is just accepted, something which is going to happen. The only exit might be religious celibacy.
Being middle class is a reactionary identity. The middle class aspires to be aristocracy. But they style themselves and try to get legitimacy from the idea that they are still like those in a traditional society.
The middle class lives in bad faith. They don’t live up to their own values.
Middle class is not an income live, it is a state of mind. And in a country like the US, there probably has never been any real population contingent which is not middle class. The only other class we have is the declassed.
So the ones who pay the costs of all this are the children.
And the only way we can change any of this is to grant personhood to children. This means preventing disinheritance as it is in other industrialized nations, and then by guaranteeing children lives outside of the family and certain minimum standards of support and remediation at all times.
So long as we deny these things, there will always be child scapegoating, churches which foster this, and doctors which facilitate this.
Joshua
You’re wrong Ashley. People are supposed to accept meaningless jobs just to uphold the work ethic. And people are supposed to listen to their doctors, and to take their meds. And people are supposed to fear their own feelings and they are supposed to always feel happy. And it was wrong when the divorce law was liberalized, people should have stayed in unworkable marriages.
And if CA Governor Gavin Newsom has his way, they will have a hearing where a judge will decide whether or not they are to be subjected to forced treatments.
🙂 🙂 🙂
Joshua
People can experience emotional overload. They might even have a nervous breakdown.
But this does not mean that there is any such thing as mental illness, or that anyone needs Recovery or Threapy.
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Sacramento Mayor Darrell Steinberg, and other mayors of the Big City Mayors coalition, call on Gov. Gavin Newsom and the state legislature to approve $3 billion over three years in the state budget for flexible homeless funding to go directly to the cities, during a news conference in Sacramento, Calif., Monday, April 25, 2022. The mayor’s said flexible homeless funding is approved annually and are asking for a three-year commitment from lawmakers and the governor.
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Mitzy, sorry to hear that you’ve had to suffer. Those Psychotropic drugs should not even exist. The middle-class family exists to exploit and abuse children. Sometimes there may be things which mitigate this, but the basic structure is always the same.
Having places that you feel safe is good, but most of the time such places are tune-out zones.
Joshua
Gavin started talking about a Police State with his COVID response. He said there was going to be “an army of 10,000 contact tracers”, and that he was going to do “targeted testing into marginalized population groups”. Well that is a Police State right there, and this was always the real danger in COVID. Gavin was taking his cues from Fauci, but Fauci’s experience was with AIDS. AIDS does not transmit by casual contact, it has a long incubation period which could be over a year, and it has an extremely high mortality rate. On all three of these points, it is the exact opposite with COVID. So what Gavin was saying was just grandstanding and muscle flexing. But there was in it a threat of really harming people’s lives. Gavin was fostering superstitious irrational fear, and prejudice.
And the COVID precautions hit the lowest income people the hardest, and this is why it put more people into encampments.
This concept of Mental Health is just a way of taking someone’s liberty away without due process and when they have broken no law. It also attacks one of the most basic principles in our system of justice, the Right to Remain Silent.
Anyone who is living on the street has at some point had their life shattered. How this happened, or when, will vary. And many have been so beaten down that they do not know. But trying to force them to talk will always be very harmful. For most, privacy is the only thing in this world they have left. Trying to make people talk is another version of what is known as Second Rape. And usually the idea that someone is “Mentally Ill” has started within the family.
Looks like we get one free LA Times view per day. This May 2 letter to them is the most succinct analysis I have seen.
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To the editor: As a worker in the mental health field and incoming therapist, I am beyond horrified at the “CARE Court” proposal. (“Newsom’s ‘CARE Court’ homelessness plan faces new questions from lawmakers,” April 26)
It blatantly ignores scientific evidence on the causes of homelessness as well as best practices in therapy. Not only that, but it amplifies the potential effects of medication, something that is not always effective nor a universal panacea. It also assumes that somehow people can be forced to get “better.”
It would be far better and more effective to combat the causes of homelessness rather than the symptoms. The root cause is nearly always trauma related. For suggestions on how to handle this, I recommend Dr. Gabor Maté’s work, particularly “In The Realm of Hungry Ghosts.”
The CARE Court proposal will not help anything. It will create more work for the courts, create trauma for many, and make those who actually could benefit from the supports offered far less likely to seek them.
I urge state leaders not to take people’s autonomy from them in the name of helping them.
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[ Gabor Mate’s book is really good, Holocaust Survivor ]
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To the editor: As a worker in the mental health field and incoming therapist, I am beyond horrified at the “CARE Court” proposal. (“Newsom’s ‘CARE Court’ homelessness plan faces new questions from lawmakers,” April 26)
It blatantly ignores scientific evidence on the causes of homelessness as well as best practices in therapy. Not only that, but it amplifies the potential effects of medication, something that is not always effective nor a universal panacea. It also assumes that somehow people can be forced to get “better.”
It would be far better and more effective to combat the causes of homelessness rather than the symptoms. The root cause is nearly always trauma related. For suggestions on how to handle this, I recommend Dr. Gabor Maté’s work, particularly “In The Realm of Hungry Ghosts.”
The CARE Court proposal will not help anything. It will create more work for the courts, create trauma for many, and make those who actually could benefit from the supports offered far less likely to seek them.
I urge state leaders not to take people’s autonomy from them in the name of helping them.
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[ Gabor Mate’s book is really good, Holocaust Survivor ]
Governor Gavin Newsom, right, confers with California Health & Human Services secretary Dr. Mark Ghaly before a media event announcing the CARE Court program, Thursday, March 3, 2022, in San Jose, Calif.
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But supporters argue some people will never accept desperately needed assistance without a court’s intervention.
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The alternative is to say, ‘you know what, I’m going to let you live under a bridge because I want to respect your autonomy,’” said the bill’s co-author, Sen. Thomas Umberg, D-Santa Ana. “I’m going to let you languish under a bridge in your own feces and I hope you make the right decisions.”
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“People are fed up and they want something done,” said Mike Herald, director of policy advocacy for the Western Center on Law & Poverty, which opposes the bill. “It’s just that what we’re proposing to do is highly unlikely to work.”
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If SB 1338 is approved, people with severe mental illness could be referred to CARE Court by family members, first responders, county mental health officials, hospitals or clinicians. The court would then order a clinical evaluation of the patient. If a judge decides they are eligible for the program, the patient would be ordered to work with a trained “supporter” to develop a care plan. Participants, who would be represented by a public defender, would be required to follow a plan for their mental health and substance abuse treatment, medication and housing.
To make this work, the state would have to come up with new funding for the courts, public defenders and “supporters.”
Care plans would last one year, and could be extended for an additional year. If a participant does not comply, they could be placed in a more restrictive conservatorship in a locked facility, or jail if they have a pending criminal case. But participants cannot be forcibly medicated or jailed solely for noncompliance.
It’s estimated between 7,000 and 12,000 Californians would be eligible.
The National Alliance on Mental Illness, the California Medical Association and California’s Big City Mayors — led by Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf — all support CARE Court. But the ACLU and other opponents argue it won’t give people what they need most — housing. Though the bill says participants should be offered a housing plan, it doesn’t hold anyone accountable for actually providing that housing.
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Gavin’s News
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/05/25/california-senate-votes-to-support-care-court-as-leading-state-business-organizations-join-expanding-coalition/
LA Times Reply
Op-Ed: ‘CARE Court’ is no solution for unhoused people in California
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-05-27/care-court-california-mental-illness-homeless-treatment
https://www.kqed.org/news/11914873/newsoms-care-court-faces-foe-shortage-of-treatment-beds-housing
Joshua
Donald Trump spoke at the NRA convention in TX and he says that the solution to these spree shootings is in Mental Health.
He is completely wrong!
Now I do know that we need gun control, but I also don’t think gun control alone is going to do it.
We need gun control and we need something else, but we must not go to a Mental Health Police State, must not have Psychiatric Policing.
I read some of this:
The Wiley handbook on violence in education : forms, factors, and preventions / edited by Harvey Shapiro (2013)
Because it has a chapter about Elliot Rodger, the 2014 Isla Vista Shooter.
That chapter was written by Ralph W. Larkin, and he has been one of the major writers on the Columbine Shooting. He sees Rodger in a similar way, the product of a culture and doctrine put out by the NRA, of violent retribution, and that message being the folk message of The Republican Party.
Joshua
Now it says,
” In Assembly. Read first time. Held at Desk.”
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
I guess that means Full State Assembly.
https://www.assembly.ca.gov/
Joshua
Thank God they didn’t entangle you in the Mental Health System.
Joshua
If we stop supporting the Mental Health System, then it will dry up.
Joshua
If people submit to peer support, then they will be disclosing their affairs to people who are probably not allies.
In the worst case they serve in the role of cops.
Joshua
Rebel, I am not sure if I am understanding your real meaning. But suffice to say, we need to eradicate the entire mental health system, and we need to be educating people about it so that they do not succumb to it.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2022/04/observation-room/#comment-195987
https://www.madinamerica.com/2022/04/observation-room/#comment-196026
Are you opposing this?
Joshua
We need to be educating people in how to resist the mental health system, and of the importance in doing this.
Seems that most victims of the mental health system were voluntarily induced into it.
And all the more so now as CA Governor Gavin Newsom is setting up special Care Courts targeting the unhoused with coercive procedures.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2022/04/saving-lives-cementing-stigma-review-just-like-you/#comment-196594
Joshua
Now the history says
“Read third time. Passed. (Ayes 38. Noes 0.) Ordered to the Assembly.’
I guess this means it has passed the State Senate
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
Our local government always tries to turn poverty and homelessness into mental health issues, so that they can further subjugate people.
Resistance needs to be organized, Underground Railroad, Safe Houses, and strategies to resist the authorities f2f. And of course the problem is compounded because some of the targets will go along with all of this.
Recent News:
California Senate Votes to Support CARE Court, as Leading State Business Organizations Join Expanding Coalition
https://tdpelmedia.com/california-senate-votes-to-support-care-court-as-leading-state-business-organizations-join-expanding-coalition
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Prior to today’s affirmative Senate floor vote, the CARE Court bill – SB 1338 by Senators Tom Umberg and Susan Eggman – passed the Senate Appropriations committee in a 7-0 vote last week. This means that CARE Court has been considered by three separate committees and has passed every single one without any opposing votes, and has now cleared the Senate with bipartisan support.
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Joshua
KateL, the entire Mental Health System exists only to shame and discredit, not just ECT. We need to eradicate it and prosecute the practicioners.
Josha
Yes this is true. Systemic racism is rampant in our society and with your police.
But there is no reason we should be listening to mainstream psychology, or to any kind of psychologists.
Joshua
Uvalde was especially disturbing because like Sandy Hook, it was at an elementary school. TX Governor Greg Abbott wants to say that this is all because of Mental Health. Trump tried to say the same thing about the spree shootings.
They are wrong. Citing Mental Health just amounts to saying that morality is declining, personal failure. This is wrong. You won’t be able to make sense of it by looking into the head of the shooter.
It is some kind of a society wide problem.
https://youtu.be/LWP8hAhx1MY?t=145
Joshua
SB1338 history
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
Nothing scheduled for appropriations.
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/
Recent News:
this is 5 days ago, but still interesting. Looks like we get one free LA Times read per day
“Given a chance to avoid jail and criminal charges, mentally ill, addicted and homeless people in L.A. pass”
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-20/given-chance-to-avoid-jail-and-criminal-charges-mentally-ill-addicted-and-homeless-people-in-l-a-pass
It looks to me like the only reason for Gavin’s Care Courts is to be able to force people into these programs via court authority. And then of course “Severe Mental Illness” will always mean anyone who refuses to submit.
Joshua
Rebel,
“not intervene in someone else’s life path.”
Intervene in someone’s life path. Who does that? The Mental Health System, because it is an arm of the state.
And in CA, Governor Newsom is trying to set up special courts for this. We need to oppose this and be ready to resist it.
And of course people come to their own conclusions. But what have they been listening to?
Usually it is the rhetoric of Recovery, Therapy, and Mental Health Treatment. And usually this is coming from the family. This is where the idea of innate moral defect, the modern version of Original Sin, starts.
Viable alternative? Well once people are freed from idol worshiping, they will have the greatest of the human spirit and the wonders of the cosmos before them.
Yes, they are slaves because of what is on the inside. And how did it get there? Most of the time it has come from the family. Drugs, Alcohol, Born Again Christianity, and Psychiatric Medication.
Of course people need to make their own decisions. We need people who will decide and commit to opposing the Psychiatric System, and in general to opposing the idea of Original Sin.
Diaphanous,
Yes the world is changing and for the most part this is better. But there are still some serious problems, and the Mental Health System is one of them.
Various worthy and important campaigns you speak of, but all efforts are sabotaged when people believe in the Mental Health System.
People are tracked into Mental Health, Prison’s, Homeless Shelters, Recovery and Motivational Programs, Psychotherapy, and into Salvation Seeking. Usually this is coming from the family, but it is also highly influenced by the ways that government authority is behind it.
Joshua
This is a good article. Nothing about the Mental Health System is benign. We need to organize, educate people, and eradicate it.
Joshua
SB1338, not it says:
“05/23/22 Read second time. Ordered to third reading.”
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
I still don’t really understand what this means.
Appropriations, still nothing scheduled.
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/
Version history
Recent News:
a curious case, but it seems specific
https://www.manisteenews.com/news/article/Freed-California-siblings-feared-opposing-rundown-17188261.php
Calif. ‘CARE Courts’ Spark Concerns Over Forced Treatment
https://www.law360.com/articles/1487625/calif-care-courts-spark-concerns-over-forced-treatment
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On the other side, CARE courts are opposed by more 50 advocacy organizations, including the American Civil Liberties Union California Action, the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law, the California Psychological Association, Disability Rights Advocates, Human Rights Watch, Mental Health America of California, the National Homelessness Law Center, Psychologists for Social Responsibility and the Racial and Ethnic Mental Health Disparities Coalition.
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“The [CARE court] process is you either enter into an agreement to have the treatment that we want you to have, or the judge will order you to do the treatment that we want you to have, so it’s coerced care, and that’s highly problematic from a civil and human rights perspective,” Raphling said.
“The [CARE court] process is you either enter into an agreement to have the treatment that we want you to have, or the judge will order you to do the treatment that we want you to have, so it’s coerced care, and that’s highly problematic from a civil and human rights perspective,” Raphling said.
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Kevin Baker, director of government relations at ACLU California Action, said in a recent interview with Law360 that the CARE court plan is also flawed because people who are homeless and severely mentally ill are unlikely to come to court to respond to a petition against them.
“This model assumes that the person who needs services is sort of the bad guy who needs to get hauled into court,” Baker said.
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Shonique Williams, a statewide organizer for Dignity and Power Now, a Los Angeles-based grassroots organization that advocates for people who are incarcerated and their families, said she experienced firsthand how Black people are misdiagnosed with severe mental illness by behavioral health specialists.
Williams, now 30, said that when she was 15 she was misdiagnosed with bipolar disorder after her best friend was murdered, even though she was experiencing normal grief and loss at the time.
According to Williams, her best friend was the only person she confided to about family abuse, and after her friend was murdered, she became depressed and attempted suicide. She was hospitalized for her suicide attempt.
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Mental health advocates say a better alternative to CARE courts would be more affordable housing and voluntary, community-based mental health services.
According to a 2001 study conducted by the RAND Institute and commissioned by the California Senate Committee on Rules, court-ordered treatment in itself is not more effective than voluntary treatment. Instead, an outpatient treatment program’s success is determined by its resources and ability to deliver services.
Gallagher said that California will not be able to build out its voluntary mental health services if the state keeps funneling funding into involuntary treatment programs.
“There will never be enough services to meet the need in the voluntary sphere as long as we continue to divert voluntary funds away from that,” he said.
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Joshua
By making repeated raids into Maryland, Harriet Tubman was able to liberator over 700 slaves. What she said about this was, “I’d of been able to liberate a lot more if only they’d of known that they were slaves.”
Today the Middle-Class Family tracks people into Drug Use, Prisons, the Mental Health System, Homeless Shelters, Recovery Programs, and Salvation Churches. Most of the people still do not see that their is anything wrong with this.
Joshua
This shock therapy should not exist, not in any form. And nor should the Transcaranial Magnet.
These practices have no medical value, and the people doing it carry government issued medical licenses. They should be prosecuted for Crimes Against Humanity in the International Court.
We must eradicate the entire mental health system:
https://www.madinamerica.com/2022/04/observation-room/#comment-195987
https://www.madinamerica.com/2022/04/observation-room/#comment-196026
Joshua
And why would anyone submit to such a blood test? Someone should write an article about that.
^ So I find on the full senate’s schedule for SB 1338
“May 19
From committee: Do pass as amended. (Ayes 7. Noes 0.) (May 19). Read second time and amended. Ordered to second reading.”
I still don’t really know what that means.
Of Recent News:
‘NIMBYism is destroying the state.’ Gavin Newsom ups pressure on cities to build more housing
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/newsom-housing-17188515.php
This isn’t going to end homelessness, but perhaps it is a shift away from the mental health perspective. But the danger of Gavin is not over yet.
This candidate is challenging Gavin Newsom in California — and he has Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson’s support
https://www.deseret.com/2022/5/20/23100404/michael-shellenberger-california-governor-candidate-gavin-newsom-culture-wars-tucker-rogan
Seems to be it for now.
Joshua
Looking here at the full CA State Senate
https://www.senate.ca.gov/
calendar
https://www.senate.ca.gov/calendar
Joshua
CA SB1338
still says
“Read second time and amended. Ordered to second reading.”
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
from March 7, still the same
https://www.disabilityrightsca.org/latest-news/disability-rights-californias-response-to-governor-newsoms-framework-for-care-courts
AAPR
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/
Says, “No Hearings Currently Scheduled”
So I don’t really know what to expect.
Joshua
We need instead to work to eradicate the entire mental health system.
Joshua
If no one accepted the Psychiatric Neurotoxins, and no one accepted Psychotherapy, Healing, Recovery, Motivationalism, or Salvation Seeking, then we would not longer have to worry about them being made coercive.
But as it is today, they often are coercive, and Gavin Newsom in CA is trying to make an overt Psychiatric Police State with Internment Camps.
We must organize to act, and this has to start with education.
Joshua
We need to organize and bring about not an alternative to psychiatry, but an end to psychiatry and to the entire mental health system.
Joshua
We need to organize to oppose the mental health system. And where it is made a matter of law, like Gavin Newsom is doing in CA, we must resist it and make it as hard to enforce as possible.
Joshua
The analogy to slavery comes simply because people have been continually exploited, and then lied to about it. There is no social support for coming to see this.
People now talk about “Dysfunctional Families”, this obscures the exploitation that is the Middle-Class Family because people are not living authentic lives, but instead have children so that they don’t have to deal with their own stuff.
And those who seem to have have survived with some residual awareness intact are those most likely to end up as fodder for the mental health system. It is like slavery because people are being made to believe that this is the state they deserve. Challenging this without getting into vastly more trouble is extremely difficult.
Joshua
Oops
To even entertain an idea is to legitimate the bio-neuro pseudo science. Should be better things to write about, like how people are organizing to eradicate the mental health system.
Joshua
CA SB1338
“Read second time and amended. Ordered to second reading.”
This means the Appropriations Committee. Still not sure where it stands or what the amendment means. Previously it had zero cosponsors. Now it has a whole bunch.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
has the voting history
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
analysis
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billAnalysisClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
So here their are the 4 versions
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVersionsCompareClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
sponsorship:
Introduced by Senators Umberg and Eggman
(Coauthors: Senators Allen, Archuleta, Caballero, Cortese, Dodd, Hertzberg, Newman, Portantino, Stern, and Wiener)
(Coauthors: Assembly Members Gipson, Irwin, O’Donnell, Petrie-Norris, and Villapudua)
February 18, 2022
Comparsison showing most recent modification
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVersionsCompareClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338&cversion=20210SB133897AMD
I don’t feel pleased with this, or qualified to fully analyze it.
Need to look to the human rights groups.
Opinion: Gavin Newsom’s CARE Court plan for mentally ill is controversial — and long overdue
https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/573342363/opinion-gavin-newsom-s-care-court-plan-for-mentally-ill-is-controversial-and-long-overdue
Very negative that this has gotten this far, and with the number of Senate Co-Sponsors, it seems like it is impossible to stop it.
Need to start organizing resistance, Safe Houses, Underground Railroad, and Legal. Need to prepare people for how to stand up to this.
Advanced industrial and information technology has made an economy of gross surplus and the middle-class family creates scapegoats, and so you have a huge number of people on the margins. So many are unhoused and so large areas of the law have become unenforceable, so they are turning homelessness into a ~mental illness~.
Joshua
May-May, we need to eradicate Psychiatry and the entire Mental Health Edifice.
Joshua
Bradford, the quest that some parents have to find the locus of original sin in their child is an unending quest.
What Lloyd deMause wrote is that this is using the child as a poison container, and it goes back 1000s of years. I look specifically to the sacrifices of Isaac and the daughter of Jephthah as the archetypes.
The quest to find defect in one’s child can get quite extreme.
A compelling story too true to be able to even imagine:
https://www.amazon.com/Sickened-True-Story-Lost-Childhood/dp/0553381970
The middle-class is something which arose because of the industrial revolution. One of its characteristics is smaller families. But to be middle-class means to have adopted a reactionary identity. The middle-class is the first large group of people that has choices. But they don’t want choices, they want something to hide behind.
The middle-class does not have to have children. But most do because they want the social approval. They don’t want to have to take responsibility for creating their own values and choices. So they are not living up to their own values. They have children so that they can exploit them. And when you see that their is enmity between parent and child, this is always the reason for it.
What we erroneously call ~mental illness~, is merely the experience of not being at home in the world, or of not having a place in the world.
Specifically pertaining to the facetious mental illness ~schizophenia~, they say that one of its characteristics is a lack of social mapping. The supposedly ill person has not found their place in the world.
Well what you cause this?
For one thing we live in a pretty crazy world. But the more immediate cause is simply of having one’s affairs arranged from the very beginning by exploiters, by people who have been using you, rather than dealing with their own stuff.
So then when this starts to break down, often it is the parents who invoke the white coats, but not always. But the idea that there is something wrong with the child seems to always originate with the parents.
And our society makes redress and public vindication very difficult. All it really offers is an endless array of denial systems.
Thanks Bradford for the encouragement and I consider a discussion like this very constructive.
And Robert Whittaker has been very brave, nothing in his books ever talks about Psychotherapy, Healing, Recovery, Motivationalism, Forgiveness, or Salvation Seeking.
Joshua
There is no such thing as mental illness. The idea persists because people have an interest in promoting it. Usually it is to get money.
The alternative to Psychiatry and to the entire Mental Health Edifice, is the middle finger.
Joshua
CA SB1338
So it says:
“From committee: Do pass as amended. (Ayes 7. Noes 0.) (May 19).”
and then the last entry says:
“Read second time and amended. Ordered to second reading.”
I don’t know that that really means, and when it is supposed to be happening.
IMHO, one problem with this is that so many State Senators have committed themselves to this in these committee, that it is very hard to block.
But if it is getting amended that means there is some dissent, and it could give people cover for changing their position.
Amendment history:
AMENDED IN SENATE MAY 19, 2022
AMENDED IN SENATE APRIL 07, 2022
AMENDED IN SENATE MARCH 16, 2022
We should have a plan in place for opposing this, and for resisting it should it pass. Most of the time the psychiatric system runs because most of its victims cooperate with it.
And this CARE COURT plan is just a means of using the psychiatric system because their being so many unhoused people, people with little to lose, that many laws have become unenforceable. This is a blatant attempt to use Psychiatric Procedures and Courts, to modify people’s behavior and to make them compliant.
Recent News?
Gavin Newsom’s CARE Court plan for mentally ill is controversial — and long overdue
Read more at: https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/article261620232.html#storylink=cpy
https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/article261620232.html
This has a 19min video, but warning, Gavin is infuriating to listen to. It was like this with his daily COVID briefings.
THEY ARE TRYING TO TURN THE POVERTY AND HOMELESSNESS CREATED BY ADVANCED INDUSTRIAL AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, INTO A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.
Here is an interesting article:
Helping mentally ill people: The debate over ‘involuntary treatment’
https://capitolweekly.net/helping-mentally-ill-people-the-debate-over-involuntary-treatment/
Lamentable that this author supports involuntary treatment.
Joshua
Rebel, the Mental Health System exists to rob people of their legitimacy. And so it is a situation comparable to people being held in a state of slavery.
So it was posted:
“I think MIA should be a teaching and clearinghouse website.”
Well that is comparable to having discussions with slave owners.
There is no reason that any of us should go along with any pro-psychiatry, pro-psychotherapy, pro-recovery, or pro-salvation seeking stance.
We don’t need to collaborate with the enslavers in anyway, and we should not.
We don’t need to go along with them just to give ourselves some illusory credibility. And IMHO this is the main problem with this MIA Forum, that it tries to gain credibility by collaborating with the abusers.
And the doctrine of forgiveness is one of the main ways the abuse is continued.
We have to be willing to stand up for unpopular minority opinions and not to ever cave in just to seek approval.
The industrial age’s middle-class is probably the first large group of people who have a choice in how they live. And one of the most basic choices is whether or not to have children.
But the middle-class tries to paint itself as being like those in a traditional society, not having such choices, in order to gain approval. The middle-class lives in Bad Faith. And the people who pay the cost of this are the children.
In Robert Whittaker’s books there is nothing whatsoever which endorses the idea of Psychotherapy or Recovery, or any kind of Mental Illness. His books are brave.
Joshua
Parents will often decide to problematize a child. When they are middle-class, this usually involves doctors of one sort or another. This is what makes it hard to prosecute.
The kinds of abuses done by the lower class are quickly detected and prosecuted. But with the middle-class, they hire their own doctors. And where mandatory reporting should have the doctor reporting them as soon as the child gets to their office, in practice these doctors follow a business model which precludes reporting. The doctor figures that if their is any problem, it can be solved simply by the doctor counseling the parents. No matter that this approach to it is specifically illegal.
And then when you have specialties of doctors who treat non-existent ailments, you have a downward spiral.
Joshua
May-May, people sometimes will feel “depressed”, using that in the common sense of the word.
It’s like Peter Breggin says, people feel depressed because they are leading depressing lives. It usually comed down to issues like career and marriage. And then it is often because of ways they have been taken advantage of and blocked in the attempt to educate and develop themselves and build their place in the world.
https://www.amazon.com/Toxic-Psychiatry-Electroshock-Biochemical-Theories/dp/0312113668/ref=asc_df_0312113668/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312134205520&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10465432285419423810&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032188&hvtargid=pla-570254064898&psc=1
But as far as Clinical Depression, and Brain Chemical Imbalance, there is no such thing. There is no evidence that there is any such thing and there never has been.
We need to eradicate the entire mental health system. And we need to be litigating to get compensation for its victims, and we need to be educating people in how to resist it. And we should never cooperate with it in any manner whatsoever.
Joshua
This town hall meeting is really interesting. They speak to this Care Courts Plan, not with Psychotherapists, and not with Psychology Journalists, but with Attorneys.
Josua
Disability Rights California’s Response to Governor Newsom’s Framework for CARE Courts
https://www.disabilityrightsca.org/latest-news/disability-rights-californias-response-to-governor-newsoms-framework-for-care-courts
And an hour and 25 min town hall meeting video:
https://www.disabilityrightsca.org/post/disability-rights-california-town-hall-on-governor-newsoms-framework-for-care-courts-in
Gavin is just trying to use the Mental Health System to enforce laws, because the laws have become otherwise unenforceable.
Joshua
This is the official Care Court web site:
https://www.chhs.ca.gov/care-court/
SB1338, set for hearing 19th, but no further info yet
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
Senate APPR
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/
SB1338 is on this 10 page list.
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/sites/sapro.senate.ca.gov/files/Agenda%205-19-22%20Suspense%20Author.pdf
Recent News yesterday:
Forced treatment provision of California mental health initiative draws support from patient families
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/forced-treatment-provision-of-california-mental-health-initiative-draws-support-from-patient-families/ar-AAXoGgP
“Disability rights groups say that’s a violation of civil liberty. But some family members of the severely mentally ill say it may be the only way for them to survive.”
has interesting TV news video
In my observation the idea that someone is “Mentally Ill” is usually coming from the family, even if it were not spoken or if there were never any white coats involved. Some adults had so internalized this they they were primed for the shrinks.
Joshua
Well the people to do this teaching would be the people who have experience, the people who have been there before, people who have stood up to state authority in other situations.
I don’t know how this works in other states, but in CA it is 5150, the psychiatric hold. Usually the people are taken in their and they get drugged. And then the main thing, as it always is with the mental health system, is they try to convince the party that they have “Mental Illness” and that they need to be on drugs and disclosing their affairs to a therapist.
Well, we should be educating people to resist this in all available ways. And we should set the example that each use of this law will result in a law suit, and hospital personnel will be named in the suit too.
Even if these all get dismissed, it will encourage people to resist, it will tend to discredit the mental health system, and it will discredit the judges too.
And we should be educating the entire population, because usually the idea that someone is “Mentally Ill” seems to start within the family.
Joshua
Peer Support Mental Health Research supports the concept of “Mental Illness” and this supports the entire Mental Health System.
Joshua
Michael Shellenberger’s ideas are exteme. But in essence they are the same as what Newsom is trying to do. Newsom just seems to have some more procedural red tape.
MIA should be educating the entire society against the Mental Health System.
Joshua
Don’t know about this guy:
Michael Shellenberger’s number one issue: Homelessness, housing and the drug crisis. He’s hoping that even as a long-shot candidate, by running on these issues he’ll be able to break through.
https://news.yahoo.com/meet-san-fransicko-author-hoping-201651055.html
https://secure.shellenbergerforgovernor.com/list/ad/donation1/?InitiativeKey=LOWFBSNJJI7S&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=CPD&utm_campaign=search-D&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItfnr84rq9wIVKwytBh29MAxAEAAYASAAEgLiPvD_BwE
Michael Shellenberger’s narrative of California homelessness is seductive. It’s also dangerous
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Michael-Shellenberger-s-narrative-of-California-17172493.php
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Shellenberger’s agenda is downright menacing.
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As governor, Shellenberger would create an agency he calls “Cal-Psych,” a bizarre Big Brother-style structure of mass institutionalization run by the state whose mission would be to round up the unhoused and coerce them into a system of shelters and “treatment.”
And people who don’t want to enter his benevolent Cal-Psych program? They can go straight to jail.
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DOES NOT SOUND GOOD!
Joshua
Says SB1338 is set for hearing May 19th. I assume this means APPR Suspense.
Nothing says how the committee senators voted to make this happen.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
State Senate Appropiations
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/
This 10 page PDF is the schedule for Wed May 19th Suspense Hearing, and 1338 is on it.
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/sites/sapro.senate.ca.gov/files/Agenda%205-19-22%20Suspense%20Author.pdf
Not sure what is likely to happen. It is a very long list. Are they looking for when they feel they are clear to allocate the money, looking at all the other things on the list? No public hearing.
More Recent News?
Can’t find any.
Joshua
Autism-Aspergers-Neurodiversity is in my opinion an issue closely related to the ADHD hoax. It serves the needs of parents and it exonerates all perpetrators.
Joshua
Diaphonous, your words are encouraging.
Joshua
Well the alternative to “Integrated Community Therapy” and to the “Integrated Community Psychiatry” program at UC Irvine, closely tied to Rick Warren’s “Hope for Mental Health Ministry”, is simply to teach people to stand up for themselves. Don’t cooperate with these programs in any manner at all. Never discuss your affairs with them. If you have to deal with them f2f, handle it as you would when accepting the surrender of an enemy combatant in a war zone. Beyond that, never give out any information until you are represented by a lawyer. And of course the lawyer will tell you to say nothing.
And then as far as what people are being told to live by moment to moment, they need to see that they need to learn to feel their feelings. The less denial the better.
Sometimes in crises people will have to go on automatic. But you want to be able to go back to feeling at the earliest opportunity. So you need to allow time and energy for this. And you need to make sense of those matters of long ago which have effected you, and those things which have long remained outside of your awareness.
And so of course the last thing you want are mood altering chemicals or escapist practices. And those Psychiatric Neurotoxins should be recognized as life threatening. And you don’t want to be exposed to denial doctrines, and often Evangelical Christianity amounts to little more than this.
It takes a lifetime to learn to live in one’s own skin. But you have to do it. And this means that you have to develop your own emotional resources. You can’t look to therapists, recovery group sponsors, or to clergy.
Teaching classes that help with this kind of stuff is good. But it becomes psychotherapy when you are encouraging people to disclose their personal affairs. If people are doing this, then they are being taken advantage of.
Look at the example of the Black Panthers. They worked on political consciousness raising, not psychotherapy.
Joshua
“I think MIA should be a teaching and clearinghouse website.”
This does not work. Its like trying to tell slave owners that they should be more humane in how they treat their slaves. It is a contradiction in terms. All of us who passively tolerate the machinations of the mental health system are collaborators.
All anyone needs in order to free themselves from Psychiatry and Neurotoxins is the middle-finger.
But on MIA we debate back and forth with people who are using MIA to market their brand of mental health treatment.
Parents deal with issues that they create in their children because they have a need to find in their child the locus of original sin, and because they had children to give themselves an adult social status.
I think the idea that there can be dialog between the pro-mental health and the anti-mental health people is an illusion.
And Gavin Newsom’s Care Courts plan must be resisted by Any Means Necessary, and that starts by reaching out to those who will be targeted.
Joshua
“Maternal Mental Health Month”
This supports the Mental Health System, and the concept of Mental Illness. It also supports pedagogy.
Joshua
I strongly disagree with this editorial, and with Gavin’s positions. I want the Democratic party to dump Gavin.
https://www.marinij.com/2022/05/15/editorial-gov-gavin-newsom-deserves-four-more-years-in-office/
Can’t find any more recent news.
Joshua
The difficulties with the MadInAmerica forum are two fold.
Most of the blog authors are using it to try and legitimate the mental health system. Maybe not Psychitarty, drugs, and lobotomy, but they are still promiting the idea that people need Psychotherapy and that they need to disclose their affairs to a psychotherapist.
Secondly, there is no active component. There should be people standing at the entrances of every county hospital passing our flier that refer people to a web site, denouncing the entire mental health edifice, including psychotherapy and recovery groups.
This kind of protesting should be happening at the offices of psychotherapists, the Austism-Apsergers Doctors, and especially anyone who markets themselves with a Fix My Kid theme.
And most of the time the idea that someone is mentally ill starts in the family. There should be protest in front of every Social Services office.
And people should be told to never ever ingest psych drugs or disclose their affairs to any kind of a therapist, or to cooperate in any way at all.
Joshua
So SB1338 says now:
“May 16 hearing: Placed on APPR suspense file.”
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
Now as to what that actually means:
Their hearing results document does not seem to list 1338
Suspense hearing will be on the 19th, and they don’t allow public comment. The schedule should be up on the 18th. But what does Suspense really mean?
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What is Suspense?
The Suspense File process has been a part of the Committee Rules since the mid-1980s as a way to consider the fiscal impacts to the state of legislation as a whole. The committee analysis indicates whether a bill’s fiscal impacts meet the criteria for referral to the Suspense File.
Bills that meet the Committee’s Suspense threshold will be placed on the Suspense File after testimony is taken at a regular-order hearing. A vote-only Suspense Hearing will be held prior to the deadlines for fiscal committees to hear and report bills to the Senate Floor. Bills will either move on to the Senate Floor for further consideration or be in held in committee and under submission.
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Not sure if this is really new, but it is the most recent I can find:
A dramatic new idea for addressing homelessness | Vince Bzdek
https://gazette.com/mental-health-crisis/a-dramatic-new-idea-for-addressing-homelessness-vince-bzdek/article_778e5c4c-d24f-11ec-a250-8b1601887332.html
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Newsom’s plan is to create an entirely new legal process to compel the mentally ill into treatment.
The idea, known as Care Courts, would be to create a new branch within the civil court system where those suffering from severe mental illness and substance abuse disorders could be brought before a judge. Rather than face forced commitment or imprisonment, they would receive a treatment plan and be a appointed a “Supporter” to oversee their care.
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This is simply a way of breaking down people’s privacy and autonomy. For someone who is surviving abuses it is Second Rape.
Things like this are already going on in Colorado.
Joshua
This is still an attempt to delegitimate people by saying that they should be disclosing their affairs to a therapist and that the therapist knows something that they don’t already know themselves.
Joshua
This is still talking like there is something like clinical depression, and it is still making like people need to be disclosing their affairs to a psychotherapist.
This is making an argument to sustain the mental health system.
Joshua
Gavin’s legally mandated drugging is a nightmare scenario.
But Integrated Community Care is just a concept invented to perpetuate instead of eradicate the mental health system. That is the only reason for the article.
Joshua
SB1338, still says set for hearing May 16. But the schedule for appropriations said it was set at 10am. So IMHO, the reporting is a bit slow.
May 16th agenda
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/sites/sapro.senate.ca.gov/files/Agenda%205-16-22%20Hearing.pdf
even the hearing results file is not available yet.
Recent News, May 14
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-14/newsom-new-california-budget-offers-little-on-costs-for-court-ordered-homeless-help
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article261397642.html
This Newsom is something else.
https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/qm01ow/picture261431467/alternates/FREE_1140/LS_BudgetRevise_270.jpg
Joshua
Ingesting rat poison also leads to poor neonatal outcomes. There is no reason to talk about this kind of a subject unless you are still saying that psychiatric neurotoxins are still sometimes legitimate.
Joshua
We do have this May 14th news:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-14/newsom-new-california-budget-offers-little-on-costs-for-court-ordered-homeless-help
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-04-26/newsom-care-court-homelessness-plan-faces-new-questions-before-first-hearing
https://www.capradio.org/articles/2022/05/13/newsom-california-budget-proposal-may-2022/
‘We have to do more.’ Newsom wants $65 million to set up California mental health courts
Shows someone who has been beaten into submission and compliance.
San Jose wins $25 million to turn downtown hotel into homeless housing
And Newsom wants to ramp up statewide funding for homeless housing
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/05/11/san-jose-wins-25-million-to-turn-downtown-hotel-into-homeless-housing/
Joshua
SB1338 set for appropriations committee May 16
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/
Listed here, 10am Monday May 16.
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/sites/sapro.senate.ca.gov/files/Agenda%205-16-22%20Hearing.pdf
No more recent news.
Joshua
Current Status:
SB1338 set for appropriations committee hearing May 16.
SB 1338 Umberg Community Assistance, Recovery, and Empowerment (CARE) Court
Program.
Schedule shown for the first time ^
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/sites/sapro.senate.ca.gov/files/Agenda 5-16-22 Hearing.pdf
May 19, 2022 – Suspense Hearing, schedule to be posted May 18. Don’t know what Suspense Hearing means.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
AB2380 still tabled. AB2220 set for suspense file ( does this mean they are maybe suspending it, and does this mean that Gavin’s bills are taking its place? )
More recent news:
Washington Post
Forcing homeless people into treatment can backfire. What about a firm nudge?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/05/11/care-courts-california-homeless-coercion/
^ this has a 9min audio, but seems to be just a reading of the article text.
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The state has an astonishing 160,000 unhoused people. In Los Angeles, an estimated 20 percent of them have a formal diagnosis of serious mental illness, and the county jail claims the dubious distinction of being the country’s largest de facto psychiatric facility. In San Francisco, homeless deaths last year more than doubled — mostly because of overdoses. In response to the crisis and voters’ restlessness on the issue, California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) proposed in March tackling the problem with a sweeping new plan involving something called Care Courts that could push people with psychosis into treatment.
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One side sees the homelessness problem largely as a result of civil rights protections that make it too difficult to force treatment on people who desperately need it; the other asserts that there simply aren’t enough care and housing resources available and that the argument about “excessive” civil rights is at best a distraction.
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[ This is stupid article. The authorities always want to cast poverty and homelessness as mental health issues, and they always want to keep the homeless doped, especially the women. It makes it easier for cops when they have to deal with them.
There are civil rights voices in this, but there are no anti-psychiatry voices.
And the people behind this just want the streets cleared, they want the homeless in internment camps. And of course mental illness will always mean someone who refuses the internment camp. And severe mental illness will always mean someone who defends and upholds their privacy and refuses to take their meds.]
ADHD is one of the cluster of issues used in order to problematize a child.
Joshua
Bart, I’m going to be reading your book.
Joshua
Tamara, there is no such thing as Psychiatric or Mental Health issues. It is always based on diagnosing something else. It may be substance intoxication, it may be just being despondent over stressful and distasteful things going on.
And often the gateway drug is coming via the doctor’s prescription pad.
Good Article!
Joshua
SB1338 set for appropriations committee hearing May 16.
Senate appropriations committee has suspense hearing May 19. Don’t know that that means.
AB2830, tabled since 4/26
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB2830
AB-2220 Homeless Courts Pilot Program
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB2220
says ” In committee: Set, first hearing. Referred to suspense file.”
I think that means the Appropriations Committee, but I don’t know what the suspense file is.
Assembly Appropriations, nothing today
https://www.assembly.ca.gov/todaysevents
Yesterday “Board of Supervisors Support Muratsuchi Homeless Court Legislation”
https://www.randomlengthsnews.com/archives/2022/05/11/homeless-courts/39421?v=7516fd43adaa
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The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, led by Supervisor Janice Hahn and Chair Holly Mitchell, May 3, threw their support behind AB 2220, legislation that would provide state funding for local Homeless Court programs. Homeless courts, like those that already exist in Redondo Beach and Long Beach and will soon be launched in Torrance, are proving effective in helping the hardest-to-reach individuals get connected with services and housing.
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http://file.lacounty.gov/SDSInter/bos/supdocs/168613.pdf?utm_content=&utm_medium=email&utm_name=&utm_source=govdelivery&utm_term=
They are just using the concept of Mental Health and the associated idea of moral defect to criminalize a group of people that is already vulnerable and to take away their autonomy and bread down what little dignity they may have left.
Joshua
The entire mental health edifice exists to delegitimate people. We must eradicate it.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2022/04/observation-room/#comment-195987
https://www.madinamerica.com/2022/04/observation-room/#comment-196026
Joshua
Current Status
SB1338, Gavin’s Care Courts
set for May 16th, Appropriations Committee
May 16th hearing announced, but no schedule yet
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/node/59
AB2830, Gavin’s companion bill, tabled for now.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB2830
AB2220 Homeless Courts Pilot Program. Tabled for now
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB2220
Homeless Courts Pilot Program.
A.B.No. 2220 Muratsuch
https://apro.assembly.ca.gov/hearings
They don’t seem to have a specific schedule. So I cannot guarantee from the above that it is tabled.
Can’t find any more recent news
Joshua
🙂 🙂 🙂
Joshua
Thanks Sera
Joshua
Integrative Community Therapy is one of the ways of supporting the idea that people need to be disclosing their affairs to the therapist sitting in the arm chair across from them. It supports the idea that people need to be reformed, corrected, re-directed. It supports the concept of mental illness. And the mental health system continues because people make up new justifications to continue it.
Joshua
Current Bill Status
CA SB1338 Gavin’s Care Courts
Set for Appropriations Committee Hearing May 16
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/node/59
May 16th schedule not to be posted until May 13th
AB2830 Gavin’s Care Courts Companion Bill
Looks to have been tabled on April 26
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB2830
AB2220 Homeless Courts Pilot Program, Al Muratsuchi
Seems to have been pending in Assembly Appropriations Since April 26
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB2220
https://apro.assembly.ca.gov/
today’s hearing
https://apro.assembly.ca.gov/hearings
AB2220 not listed
Recent News
repeat of AB2220 news in Desert Sun
https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2022/05/06/southern-california-beach-city-took-its-homeless-court-outside-near-food-donation-centers-and-attend/9675344002/?utm_source=ourcommunitynow&utm_medium=web
May 9th
Can CARE Court curb CA’s homelessness and mental health crises?
https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/greater-la/homelessness-criminal-justice/care-courts
Of course what they think is indicative of mental illness will just be someone who refuses to discuss their affairs with a therapist and listen to lectures on self-reliance and forgiveness. And indicative of severe mental illness and warranting forced treatment will be someone who refuses to listen to their doctor at all and to take their meds
Joshua
The first step in learning to break free of the mental health system is to learn to use your middle finger.
Joshua
The greatest act of rebellion is to be genuinely happy after inflicting warranted and lawful consequences on abusers.
And yes, this might cause some churches and therapists’ offices to spontaneously combust.
Joshua
People disclose their affairs to a therapist because they believe in healing and that they need it. This is what keeps the mental health system going, and it is in effect covering up vast power imbalances and abuses.
Joshua
Current Bill Status
CA SB1338 Care Courts
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
says set for hearing Set for hearing May 16, Appropriations Committee
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/node/59
doesn’t actually list May 16 schedule yet
AB2830 Care Courts Companion Bill
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB2830
04/26/22 In committee: Set, first hearing. Hearing canceled at the request of author.
AB2220 Homeless Courts, Al Muratsuchi
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB2220
From committee: Do pass and re-refer to Com. on APPR. (Ayes 12. Noes 1.) (April 26). Re-referred to Com. on APPR.
Most recent news:
Letter to California Senate Appropriations Committee
Human Rights Watch’s Opposition to CARE Court (SB 1338)
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/05/05/letter-california-senate-appropriations-committee#
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CARE Court Denies Due Process
The CARE Court proposal authorizes family members, first responders, including police officers or outreach workers, the public guardian, service providers, and the director of the county behavioral health agency, to initiate the process of imposing involuntary treatment by filing a petition with the court.[21] These expansive categories of people with the power to embroil another person in court processes and potential loss of autonomy, many of whom lack any expertise in recognition and treatment of mental health conditions, reveals the extreme danger of abuse inherent in this proposal. For example, interpersonal conflicts between family members could result in abusive parents, children, spouses, and siblings using the referral process to expose their relatives to court hearings and potential coerced treatment, housing, and medication.
Law enforcement and outreach workers would have a new tool to threaten unhoused people with referral to the court to pressure them to move from a given area. These state actors could place those who disobeyed their commands into the CARE Court process and under the control of courts. Given the long history of law enforcement using its authority to drive unhoused people from public spaces, a practice that re-traumatizes those people and does nothing to solve homelessness, it is dangerous to provide them with additional powers to do so.[22]
The legislation does not set meaningful standards to guide judicial discretion and does not delineate procedures for those decisions.[23] It establishes a contradictory and unworkable procedure by which a petition may be made on an allegation that a person “lacks medical decision making capacity”[24] On a mere showing of “prima facie” evidence that the petition is true, the person is then required to enter into settlement discussions with the county behavioral health agency.[25] If someone lacks decision-making capacity, they would not be able to enter a settlement agreement voluntarily. Unless the parties stipulate otherwise, failure to enter a settlement agreement results in an evaluation by that same behavioral health agency, which is used to impose a mandatory, court-ordered course of treatment.[26] This process is entirely involuntary and coercive. The role of the behavioral health agency poses a great potential for conflicts of interest, as they will presumably be funded to carry out the Care Plans that result from their negotiations and their evaluations.
The CARE Court plan threatens to create a separate legal track for people perceived to have mental health conditions, without adequate process, negatively implicating basic rights.[27] Even with stronger judicial procedures and required clinical diagnoses by mental health professionals, this program would remain objectionable because it expands the ability of the state to coerce people into involuntary treatment.
CARE Court will harm Black, brown, and Unhoused people
The CARE Court directly targets unhoused people to be placed under court-ordered treatment, thus denying their rights and self-determination. Governor Newsom, in pitching this plan, called it a response to seeing homeless encampments throughout the state of California.[28] CARE Court will empower police and homeless outreach workers to refer people to the courts and allow judges to order them into treatment against their will, including medication plans. Despite allusions to “housing plans,” CARE Court does not increase access to permanent supportive housing and, indeed, the bill prohibits the court from requiring the county to provide actual housing.[29]
Due to a long history of racial discrimination in housing, employment, access to health care, policing and the criminal legal system, Black and brown people have much higher rates of homelessness than their overall share of the population.[30] The CARE Court plan in no way addresses the conditions that have led to these high rates of homelessness in Black and brown communities. Instead, it proposes a system of state control over individuals that will compound the harms of homelessness.
Further, much research shows that mental health professionals diagnose Black and Latino populations at much higher rates than they do white people.[31] One meta-analysis of over 50 separate studies found that Black people are diagnosed with schizophrenia at a rate nearly 2.5 times greater than white people.[32] A 2014 review of empirical literature on the subject found that Black people were diagnosed with psychotic disorders three to four times more frequently than white people.[33] This review found large disparities for Latino people as well. CARE Court may place a disproportionate number of Black and Latino people under involuntary court control.
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AB2220, the other attempt to criminalize homelessness and make the homeless submit to social services and shelter programs.
https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2022/05/06/southern-california-beach-city-took-its-homeless-court-outside-near-food-donation-centers-and-attend/9675344002/
Joshua
The Mental Health and Autism crises exist because people propagate the ideas, and because those targeted are not standing up for themselves.
Joshua
This is worst than I had thought. It isn’t just Gavin.
Al Muratsuchi
April 22, 2021
The Lookout: Cal Bill Aims to End Homelessness; Make Housing a Basic Human Right
https://lasentinel.net/the-lookout-cal-bill-aims-to-end-homelessness-make-housing-a-basic-human-right.html
Assembly Bill (AB) 1372
would “require every city, or every county in the case of unincorporated areas, to provide every person who is homeless, as defined, with temporary shelter, mental health treatment, resources for job placement, and job training — until the person obtains permanent housing, if the person has actively sought temporary shelter in the jurisdiction for at least three consecutive days and has been unable to gain entry into all temporary shelters they sought for specified reasons,” according to the language of the bill.
So this is Muratsuchi’s earlier bill. It still is clearly using court authority and criminal enforcement to put the homeless into some kind of case management and to break down their privacy, and to put them into internment camps, where mental health is a central component.
AB2220, not passed yet, but being implemented:
https://www.redding.com/story/news/2022/05/06/southern-california-beach-city-took-its-homeless-court-outside-near-food-donation-centers-and-attend/9675344002/
This is an attempt to force people into these housing programs which may be very disruptive to their on going affairs of life because of the location. And it all seems intended to break down people’s privacy, which is a way to delegitimate them and to make them vulnerable to the mental health system.
SB1338
no more recent news
Joshua
I’ve also been reading much about the Gifted Movement, and one of the things I find the most interesting about it is that their people have diametrically opposite views to the Autism – Aspergers – ADHD – Neurodiversity Hoax.
Joshua
Thank you Dean for this article.
We need to take legal and legislative action to get the people that are in Psychiatric Detention Released, and to obtain redress on their behalf.
And we need to stop the propagation of the Mental Health System and the Mental Illness Myth.
And we need to fight people like CA Governor Gavin Newsom who are trying to set up special courts to turn homelessness and poverty into Mental Health issues.
Joshua
Mental Illness and needing treatment, therapy, or recovery, are the new Original Sin.
People who believe in Original Sin won’t stand up for themselves, they insead become compliant with authority.
Joshua
The first objective of the mental health system is to make people believe that there is such a thing as Mental Illness, and then to make people believe that they have it.
These homeless housing and support services already try to do that and to funnel people into mental health and on to drugs.
The test for whether one should be on drugs is whether or not they are angry or agitated.
Joshua
So here is more about this AB2220
https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/AB2220/
https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB2220/2021
Here is the first news I have found on AB2220
Board of Supervisors Support Muratsuchi Homeless Court Legislation
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“Homeless courts in Los Angeles County have been successful in helping the homeless,” said Assemblymember Muratsuchi, the lead author of AB 2220. “Rather than criminalizing poverty and mental illness, homeless courts provide pretrial diversion programs for minor criminal offenses with one-stop, wraparound services like housing assistance, mental health treatment and addiction treatment. The California Supreme Court Chief Justice’s Work Group on Homelessness recommends more homeless court programs. The Governor and Legislature should support this bill to establish a grant pilot program administered by the Judicial Council to provide funding for more homeless courts throughout the state.”
”
What the Assembly Member does not tell you is that he is getting people into court by issuing citations for minor things, and then forcing them into services, which are already designed to funnel people into the mental health system.
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A bill sponsored by Torrance Democrat Al Muratsuchi, AB 2220, would create a homeless courts pilot program, offering grants to counties that can tailor programs to their own communities. Outdoor court in Sacramento in August may be less appealing than a spring beach day in Los Angeles County.
”
None of this sounds good at all. And of course if anyone tries to resist, then they are of course ~Mentally Ill~.
This started when Donald Trump came to San Francisco and started talking about internment camps, and that was when Gavin Newsom started talking about involuntary psychiatric procedures. This AB2220 is just another angel on the whole thing.
Joshua
Raising money for education by selling CA lottery tickets always was a scam. Focus groups were held and that looked like the combination the voters would most likely go for. But the net increase in education funding has always been zero, because right off Governor Pete Wilson started raiding the money out the back door.
The budgeting in CA has long been really tough because of 3 strikes and other mandatory minimum prison laws, and because of Jarvis-Gann, separating property prices from property taxes. We incarcerate a greater percentage of our people than any other state, and that costs money. And then Jarvis-Gann has led to wild real estate inflation, while gutting tax revenue. Property taxes are actually a better way to fund the government than income tax, because it can be more progressive and it is much harder to evade, and it is more stable.
Ideas about raising money for homeless needs by gambling are equally suspect. And there should never be any kind of mental health programs. So these proposals are a gimmick, running in the confusion generated by Gavin.
What we need are Universal Basic Income and a Strong Public Housing Offering. Universal programs taking the place of needs tested programs.
Thanks Miranda
SB1338, Gavin’s Care Courts, current status unchanged, Appropriations Committee hearing postponed.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
So here is the May 9 schedule for the CA Senate Appropriations Committee, and SB1338 is absent from it, as expected. They do not say when the next hearing will be, or what is instore for SB1338, or why its hearing was postponed.
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/sites/sapro.senate.ca.gov/files/Agenda%205-9-22%20Hearing.pdf
News
20 hours ago
HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS
Bill Would Put Homeless Courts Near Where The Unhoused Live
https://laist.com/news/housing-homelessness/bill-would-put-homeless-courts-near-where-the-unhoused-live
AB-2220 Homeless Courts Pilot Program
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB2220
https://calmatters.org/legislator-tracker/al-muratsuchi-1964/
I had not heard of this AB2220 bill before. It has not yet passed and it still seems highly suspect, criminalizing homelessness in order to get people under court authority.
And most of these programs to house the homeless are already internment camps and are designed to funnel people into the mental health system.
AB2220 was re-referred to the Assembly Committee, but it is not here on the list for Wed May, 11.
https://apro.assembly.ca.gov/hearings
I think that with Democratic super majorities in both houses they probably just keep everything tabled until they decide there is something they are ready to proceed with, as this avoids open debate.
So I am not seeing any more recent news on Gavin’s SB1338
Joshua
Diaphanous, once someone has been convinced that they have ~mental illness~, there isn’t really much hope until they can come to see otherwise.
Joshua
The mental health system continues because some persons feel a desire to perpetuate it.
Joshua
CA SB1338 Current Status
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
Now it says, “May 9 hearing postponed by committee.”
!!!
Still no appropriations committee schedule posted for May 9th. That is expected Friday.
Not able to find any newer news.
Joshua
Birdsong, people do still use the term “nervous breakdown”. I certainly do.
One problem is that in CA, police or psychiatrists can place someone under a psychiatric hold, even when they have broken no law. I mean they could arrest them for Disturbing the Peace or Trespassing, or they could just tell them to get lost.
But no, they use Psychiatric Hold, 5150. Usually by the time they get out of there they will have been drugged, diagnosed, and prescribed to.
Most people go along with this too.
One guy I know, P., was having anxiety pains in his chest. He was under extreme stress, having his career terminated and being forced into early retirement and having to sell the home of his parents which had long provided him with a place in the world.
He was getting these chest pains and he felt that he was having a coronary. He told me later that his pains “mimic a coronary”.
So he drove his car to the hospital. Bad choice. But once there he asked them to admit him overnight. Good instincts, sort of. In the county hospital they deal with coronaries all day long. They have all kinds of ways of knowing that he isn’t having one.
Soon he was in an ambulance being shipped to an out of town psychiatric ward. He would be further diagnosed and drugged and prescribed to. Bipolar 2.
He would participate in group meetings each morning where patients would set goals, like trying to make it to the bathroom in time.
After 1 month he realized that he had things he needed to do, like selling the house. And so he got himself out. I commended him for this.
But he still believes in the mental health system and in the drugs.
I tell him that he should throw the drugs away. But he says, “But I want to enjoy my life.”
This guy is creepy and freaky. But mostly what makes him so is that he believes in the drugs and the mental illness concept, and that he is afraid of his feelings. I learned that you don’t talk to people who go along with the mental illness concept and the drugs. He constantly fears that if he gets too agitated he will again end up in the hospital. He believes that the drugs and Purple Beyonding are the only things protecting him.
He looked in PDR and found that there is a minimum recommended dose of the first drug they gave him, but they gave him a lot less than the minimum. It has an effect on him, but it does not fully masks his anxiety feelings.
So he has talked about suing them for too low of a dose.
He gives a stereotyped characterization of a deranged homeless person, and explains that the drugs are the only thing which stop him from being turned into that.
And of course getting disability money became a big inducement to go along with the mental illness interpretation. We should not work things like that.
Last time I talked to him he was up to a higher does and to 2 drugs, plus a third that he can take when he starts to feel anxiety.
Joshua
If you want a prototype of of someone on the “Spectrum”, I would cite Simon in Lord of the Flies.
He was sitting in a clear spot in the middle of a thicket communing with nature. Maybe someone else might have handled it differently, but mostly I think he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was the first to be killed by Jack and his pig hunters.
The text never uses any of the eugenics terminology.
Joshua
It is important that we fight against this idea of precarity being used to extend the mental health paradigm into yet another arena. We want to remedy the power imbalances and unworkable economic situations which cause precarity, not to invent another reason that people should be answering depression questionnaires and sitting in their therapist’s office and disclosing their most personal affairs.
Joshua
Always seemed to me that the Autism/Aspergers Hoax and the ADHD Hoax are closely related and work pretty much the same way.
It is the money. It is because so teachers and school therapists are on high horses, and most of all because some parents need to find the locus of original sin in their child.
And it was possible to Other a child long before the eugenics terminology was ever invented.
Joshua
Current Bill Status, SB1338
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
Set for appropriations committee Monday May 9th
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/node/59
But schedule not to be posted until May 6th.
These storied don’t directly pertain to Gavin, but they do pertain to CA Homelessness, and I find the stuff they are reporting to be highly suspect.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-04/la-county-board-of-supervisors-to-overhaul-top-homeless-agency
https://abc7.com/california-online-sports-betting-helping-the-homeless-southern-ca/11815280/
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/politics-elections/3475949-california-group-qualifies-ballot-measure-to-direct-sports-betting-revenue-to-homeless-mental-health-services/
THIS LOOKS EXTREMELY SUSPECT
https://casolutions.org/
Joshua
Jenifer, I don’t even talk about child abuse, not unless there are criminal charges on the table.
To call it abuse makes it sound like something aberrational. It makes it sound like with better enforcement and lowering the tolerance bar, it is something that we could eliminate.
But this is not true.
So I only talk about child exploitation. That conveys the essential characteristic, that it is pretty much universal. Sometimes there seem to be mitigating factors, but you never completely get away from it.
Child exploitation is central to middle class identity. The kinds of abuses conducted by those who have gotten ejected from the middle class are easily detected and prosecuted. But with the middle class it is very different. These parents read pedagogy manuals and so they know the talk, and they hire their own doctors. So the doctors’ licensing prevents prosecution.
The middle class is probably the first large group for which having children is a choice. They usually don’t talk about it like it is a choice, but it is.
For the people in traditional societies it is not a choice. It is just accepted, something which is going to happen. The only exit might be religious celibacy.
Being middle class is a reactionary identity. The middle class aspires to be aristocracy. But they style themselves and try to get legitimacy from the idea that they are still like those in a traditional society.
The middle class lives in bad faith. They don’t live up to their own values.
Middle class is not an income live, it is a state of mind. And in a country like the US, there probably has never been any real population contingent which is not middle class. The only other class we have is the declassed.
So the ones who pay the costs of all this are the children.
And the only way we can change any of this is to grant personhood to children. This means preventing disinheritance as it is in other industrialized nations, and then by guaranteeing children lives outside of the family and certain minimum standards of support and remediation at all times.
So long as we deny these things, there will always be child scapegoating, churches which foster this, and doctors which facilitate this.
Joshua
You’re wrong Ashley. People are supposed to accept meaningless jobs just to uphold the work ethic. And people are supposed to listen to their doctors, and to take their meds. And people are supposed to fear their own feelings and they are supposed to always feel happy. And it was wrong when the divorce law was liberalized, people should have stayed in unworkable marriages.
And if CA Governor Gavin Newsom has his way, they will have a hearing where a judge will decide whether or not they are to be subjected to forced treatments.
🙂 🙂 🙂
Joshua
People can experience emotional overload. They might even have a nervous breakdown.
But this does not mean that there is any such thing as mental illness, or that anyone needs Recovery or Threapy.
Joshua
Opposition to Gavin’s plan builds
https://www.record-bee.com/2022/05/02/opposition-mounts-as-newsoms-mental-health-care-overhaul-clears-first-hurdles/
Joshua
Sacramento
City Mayors Address Unhoused ‘Fiscal Cliff’
https://sacobserver.com/2022/05/city-mayors-address-unhoused-fiscal-cliff/
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Sacramento Mayor Darrell Steinberg, and other mayors of the Big City Mayors coalition, call on Gov. Gavin Newsom and the state legislature to approve $3 billion over three years in the state budget for flexible homeless funding to go directly to the cities, during a news conference in Sacramento, Calif., Monday, April 25, 2022. The mayor’s said flexible homeless funding is approved annually and are asking for a three-year commitment from lawmakers and the governor.
”
Current Bill Status, SB1338
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
Set for May 9th, but schedule not published yet
https://sapro.senate.ca.gov/node/59
Joshua
Mitzy, sorry to hear that you’ve had to suffer. Those Psychotropic drugs should not even exist. The middle-class family exists to exploit and abuse children. Sometimes there may be things which mitigate this, but the basic structure is always the same.
Having places that you feel safe is good, but most of the time such places are tune-out zones.
Joshua
Gavin started talking about a Police State with his COVID response. He said there was going to be “an army of 10,000 contact tracers”, and that he was going to do “targeted testing into marginalized population groups”. Well that is a Police State right there, and this was always the real danger in COVID. Gavin was taking his cues from Fauci, but Fauci’s experience was with AIDS. AIDS does not transmit by casual contact, it has a long incubation period which could be over a year, and it has an extremely high mortality rate. On all three of these points, it is the exact opposite with COVID. So what Gavin was saying was just grandstanding and muscle flexing. But there was in it a threat of really harming people’s lives. Gavin was fostering superstitious irrational fear, and prejudice.
And the COVID precautions hit the lowest income people the hardest, and this is why it put more people into encampments.
This concept of Mental Health is just a way of taking someone’s liberty away without due process and when they have broken no law. It also attacks one of the most basic principles in our system of justice, the Right to Remain Silent.
Anyone who is living on the street has at some point had their life shattered. How this happened, or when, will vary. And many have been so beaten down that they do not know. But trying to force them to talk will always be very harmful. For most, privacy is the only thing in this world they have left. Trying to make people talk is another version of what is known as Second Rape. And usually the idea that someone is “Mentally Ill” has started within the family.
Looks like we get one free LA Times view per day. This May 2 letter to them is the most succinct analysis I have seen.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/story/2022-05-02/care-courts-homeless-autonomy
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To the editor: As a worker in the mental health field and incoming therapist, I am beyond horrified at the “CARE Court” proposal. (“Newsom’s ‘CARE Court’ homelessness plan faces new questions from lawmakers,” April 26)
It blatantly ignores scientific evidence on the causes of homelessness as well as best practices in therapy. Not only that, but it amplifies the potential effects of medication, something that is not always effective nor a universal panacea. It also assumes that somehow people can be forced to get “better.”
It would be far better and more effective to combat the causes of homelessness rather than the symptoms. The root cause is nearly always trauma related. For suggestions on how to handle this, I recommend Dr. Gabor Maté’s work, particularly “In The Realm of Hungry Ghosts.”
The CARE Court proposal will not help anything. It will create more work for the courts, create trauma for many, and make those who actually could benefit from the supports offered far less likely to seek them.
I urge state leaders not to take people’s autonomy from them in the name of helping them.
”
[ Gabor Mate’s book is really good, Holocaust Survivor ]
Gavin is targeting the homeless right now, but once such scapegoating starts, it knows know bounds.
https://www.amazon.com/Pink-Triangle-Nazi-Against-Homosexuals/dp/0805006001
Joshua
Why Forced Addiction Treatment Fails
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/30/opinion/forced-addiction-treatment.html
Joshua
Current Bill Status, SB1338
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338
Says set for May 9th in State Senate Appropriations Committee
They say they will post the May 9th Agenda on May 6th.
Looks like we get one free LA Times view per day. This article title is the best I have seen yet, a letter to the editor. May 2nd.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/story/2022-05-02/care-courts-homeless-autonomy
”
To the editor: As a worker in the mental health field and incoming therapist, I am beyond horrified at the “CARE Court” proposal. (“Newsom’s ‘CARE Court’ homelessness plan faces new questions from lawmakers,” April 26)
It blatantly ignores scientific evidence on the causes of homelessness as well as best practices in therapy. Not only that, but it amplifies the potential effects of medication, something that is not always effective nor a universal panacea. It also assumes that somehow people can be forced to get “better.”
It would be far better and more effective to combat the causes of homelessness rather than the symptoms. The root cause is nearly always trauma related. For suggestions on how to handle this, I recommend Dr. Gabor Maté’s work, particularly “In The Realm of Hungry Ghosts.”
The CARE Court proposal will not help anything. It will create more work for the courts, create trauma for many, and make those who actually could benefit from the supports offered far less likely to seek them.
I urge state leaders not to take people’s autonomy from them in the name of helping them.
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[ Gabor Mate’s book is really good, Holocaust Survivor ]
Opposition mounts as Newsom’s mental health care overhaul clears first hurdles, May 2nd
https://www.record-bee.com/2022/05/02/opposition-mounts-as-newsoms-mental-health-care-overhaul-clears-first-hurdles/
Governor Gavin Newsom, right, confers with California Health & Human Services secretary Dr. Mark Ghaly before a media event announcing the CARE Court program, Thursday, March 3, 2022, in San Jose, Calif.
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But supporters argue some people will never accept desperately needed assistance without a court’s intervention.
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The alternative is to say, ‘you know what, I’m going to let you live under a bridge because I want to respect your autonomy,’” said the bill’s co-author, Sen. Thomas Umberg, D-Santa Ana. “I’m going to let you languish under a bridge in your own feces and I hope you make the right decisions.”
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“People are fed up and they want something done,” said Mike Herald, director of policy advocacy for the Western Center on Law & Poverty, which opposes the bill. “It’s just that what we’re proposing to do is highly unlikely to work.”
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If SB 1338 is approved, people with severe mental illness could be referred to CARE Court by family members, first responders, county mental health officials, hospitals or clinicians. The court would then order a clinical evaluation of the patient. If a judge decides they are eligible for the program, the patient would be ordered to work with a trained “supporter” to develop a care plan. Participants, who would be represented by a public defender, would be required to follow a plan for their mental health and substance abuse treatment, medication and housing.
To make this work, the state would have to come up with new funding for the courts, public defenders and “supporters.”
Care plans would last one year, and could be extended for an additional year. If a participant does not comply, they could be placed in a more restrictive conservatorship in a locked facility, or jail if they have a pending criminal case. But participants cannot be forcibly medicated or jailed solely for noncompliance.
It’s estimated between 7,000 and 12,000 Californians would be eligible.
The National Alliance on Mental Illness, the California Medical Association and California’s Big City Mayors — led by Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf — all support CARE Court. But the ACLU and other opponents argue it won’t give people what they need most — housing. Though the bill says participants should be offered a housing plan, it doesn’t hold anyone accountable for actually providing that housing.
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Newsom has big plans to get rid of California’s homeless camps. Will they work?
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/20/newsom-has-big-plans-to-get-rid-of-californias-homeless-camps-will-they-work/
His Oakland neighbors tried to save Kenyon Graham. But the system was too broken
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/04/17/his-neighbors-tried-to-save-him-but-the-system-was-too-broken/
Homicide victim in Oakland’s Temescal district is identified
Police are still trying to determine a motive and have not made any arrests yet
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2021/12/16/homicide-victim-in-oaklands-temescal-district-is-identified/
This Kenyon Graham was a product of the Mental Health System.
Joshua