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  • Suicide of people is the suicide of the system. Death has connections with true condition of humanity (collective psyche), but apollonian ego has got connections only with its own illusions. Apollonian ego, normalcy, is not deep enough to be a determinant of the psychological truth. Psychopathology, the symptoms, are determinants of real human condition.

    James Hillman , Re- Visioning psyche.

    We need wisdom, not apollonian ego hegemony. To kill psychiatry, is to kill apollonian ego hegemony. Monotheistic thinking is a dangerous weapon against complex psyche.

  • ‘Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses.’ -Plato

    Szasz, Hillman were rejected, P.Getzsche was punished, P.Breggin is unknown in Europe, many people writing here, are not heard. Victims of psychiatry are deliberately unseen victims. Because apollonian ego is a blind giant in Plato’s cave. And we are those few, beyond.

    Be proud, whoever you are. Because we are those beyond the cave, and we know what’s going on.
    The rest is sleeping and happiness is their sleeping pill.

  • To search for genetic cause of depression is not science, it is psychopathy, or theology in medical disguise. Because we assume that happiness is obligatory and depression or psychosis is unnecessary.

    Psychopathology is either evil or sin. Depression, psychosis is neither evil nor sin, it is a necessity.
    Szasz and Hillman were heroes of freedom of thought, beyond Plato’s cave. And psychiatry is a blind giant in Plato’s cave.
    Victims of psychiatry are also those free, beyond the darkness.

    I am myself, that is not enough – Sylvia Plath.
    Psychiatry has got no connections with wisdom. Death has. Sylvia Plath has.
    I have respect for death, I have respect for suffering. But I have no respect for theology in medical disguise. Or people who think that religious dogmas, medicine or science, means more than human psyche, death and so on.This is arrogance of authoritarian mind.This is Apollonian hatred of psyche. This is spiritual negation of psyche. Fundamentalism of any kind is evil.

    And psyche is seen as a great evil in monotheistic world. Because psyche belongs to polytheistic reality. Apollonian ego is a monotheistic giant.

  • We don’t need psychotherapy or psychiatry. We need to disprove apollonian fundamentalism (apollonian ego in the center of the psyche). Psyche need phenomenology empathy and respect, not pity. And psyche does not exists for stupid apollonic perception. We will have a material culture without psyche, as long as apollonian ego will dictate the way we should perceive psyche.

    To understand what psyche is, we need to perceive it’s real image, first.

    “Re-Visioning psychology” James Hillman.

  • In my opinion, the diagnosis is the main reason for suicide. Psychiatry uses it to imitate treatment, which in fact leads to suicide. It is better to pretend that the psyche is a disease than to accept psychological truths and to accompany someone in his hardships. We want to overcome it and cure it. We do not want to accept depression or psychosis, we want to cure it ( to condemn it, reject it)

    The specialist tells someone that he is not good enough to be human – the real meaning of mental illness. Only those normal, consistent with theories and claims, are true people. The rest does not exists. (Antichrist does not exists, and psyche is antichrist for theology and church)

    The state of materialists imposes on people the responsibility for a part of the psyche that a person can not control. Psychiatry also can not, but pretends to be able to. We must learn to accept what the psyche is, not what it should be, according to utopians -theologians, spiritualists.

    James Hillman Re -Visioning of psychology, Suicide and the soul.

  • If people treat psyche as something human and real, loosing mental health in practice, would not be a synonym of being killed. In many ways, normal people know what they are doing with those with diagnosis. It is disgusting.
    If loosing mental health was a human thing, people would talk about it human way –

    –Och, You, know I am beyond mental health, I feel tired, you know, there are people that understand me, they are not judging me. I have a place to live, among people who, like me, are beyond mental health. I am not feeling well, but I have people who believe me…..”

    Authoritarians likes playing those kind of games. Och, och, we do care about mental health assumptions….And we will kill you if you represent mental illness which we hate.

    For psychiatrists “mental health” game is not something, in which, they could be killed. For them it is not a killing field, like for those on the other side of the desk. It is so easy to use psychiatric diagnosis against someone else who is defenseless…..

    People who represent mental health are not being killed by their own fakes theories. They are using their weapon on others, on those who are defenseless. Those who control are privileged and their clients are their property. Their clients paid them for being their property. James Hillman writes about it –

    “What a client?” by James Hillman
    (“We have hundred years of psychotherapy and the world’s getting worse”)

    “Still it strikes me as little odd that, in their search for another word, healers would beeline straight to the vocabulary of commerce. Looking up “client” in my Merriam -Webster, I think I found the key. The second definition reads:” a person who engages the professional services of another; also: patron, customer”. But dig the definition: “dependent”.

    Lurking in the word they’ve chosen is the dependency that corrupts both sides in the consulting room. Psychotherapy’ clients are customers who, instead of having the usual rights of customers (“the customers are always right”), are dependent on their therapists – therapists who in many cases even have the power to jail or hospitalize them- while the therapists, in turn, are emotionally and financially dependent on the clients who are also their patrons. The contradictory roles of relationship, combined with its legal rules, are byzantine.”

  • Yes. And who is listening to people with diagnosis, since they are perceived as persons without a real human identity? Who will listen? Victims of psychiatry want justice. But this world can not help them, because justice is connected with truth and wisdom. Normal people are not noble just because they do not have a diagnosis. People perceived as mentally ill are no more bad than they are. To be outstanding in this society, you need only fame and money.

    Wisdom is too much for this society, so we have religion and psychiatry.

    We have no wisdom, we have religion and psychiatry.

    People without wisdom think that Obama is an antichrist. Bahahaha. Mental health and normalcy is equal to lack of wisdom.Because people who knows who is antichrist are outcasts.
    You must be beyond this stupid mental health agenda to know who is antichrist. You must think more humanly than normal people…..

    Psyche is the antichrist, and Christians will have to revise their thinking about the human psyche if they want to remain human. Because spiritualism is not psychology, and overcoming death is rather childish activity. Death is psychological reality, and religion prohibited it, which means that god and religion are anti human. God and religion are more important than human psyche which is absurd. This is catastrophe!

  • It is all about the language. Psychiatric jargon versus Jungian vision or Hillman deep aesthetics.
    Scientism, “ordnung” is a god for authoritarians (apollonian ego). Human psyche is a kingdom of metaphors, poetry. It is obvious that psychiatry as a child of apollonian ego fundamentalism and theological/monotheistic hatred toward politheistic psyche, won’t defend psychological man.

    For people possessed by scientism, material world is an answer for everything. They don’t need humans, they want biological machines. Because they are biological machines themselves. So they don’t need psyche/ psychology beyond biological theories, because BIOLOGICAL THEORIES OF HUMAN BEHAVIOUR CREATES THE MYTH THEY BELIEVE IN . Thanks that myth they are important and human psyche means nothing.

  • We do not need psychiatry. We need people who will love psyche more than anything. We need psychological socialism. We need to abolish ego. We also need the children to read Hillman’s books in school.

    Because children should know that psychiatry is a false prophet and human psyche is real.

  • Autism and schizophrenia are like Jackson Pollock’s paintings.
    You cannot use it, you cannot cure it, just because you do not understand the vision. You can only admire the form of expression.
    The aesthetics is what we need. Autism and schizophrenia means more than apollonian ego simple material reality, so they are being destroyed by apollonians.

    Those who are being destroyed today, are gods of the tomorrow.

  • Rachel. Psychological man is not someone for sale. Those people are psychologically beyond material reality. They are supposed to not cope.

    The problem is that apollonian ego does not cope with that fact, that psychological man is not someone who is born to cope.

    They are representing psychological reality. Those kids are like gods. Utility is not their aim. We need to accept psychological hierarchy, autistics are on the highest position. But apollonian ego/simple materialists cannot cope with the fact that our usefulness is something important only for MONEY REALITY, not for psychological reality. That is why we need psychological socialism. Psyche as a greatest value.

    Materialism, utility are the lowest form of psychological meaning.
    I know that one day they will see those kids as a form of secular gods.

    This is my agenda. Psychological titanism is also my invention.
    Titans. We should remember about that word, it describes psychological work of ego. Materialists are materialists, psychological man is psychological man, and he means more than material function.

    Materialism is not enough to build a human state, now we have a camp for biological machines. It is not enough for psyche, so I invented more than utility —–psychological aesthetics to which belongs schizophrenia and autism.

    Actually, James Hillman is the only one defender of psychological meaning.

  • Yes, Breggin is wise. I do not believe that psyche is something that can be improved. It’s a myth because people have decided that the psyche is something that needs to be improved to create a kind of control over those who are unlucky, because unhappiness is something that psyche needs, even though on rational level it is something wrong. Psyche creates pathology. That pathology is needed.

    Depression, psychosis is a psychological function. I do not care that theology reject unhapines or death. Psyche is more important than spiritual utopia. Because psyche is true, and spiritualism is a fiction, ego control is a myth of those who residue on that shallow empty level. All they want is to reject sufferring and punish death for what it is. This is highly theological attitude, non human attitude.
    To control psychological reality means to reject its true meaning.

  • Depression is not about the cure, not anymore. It is about facing death in reality of theological negation or apollonian blindness. Ok? And apollonians are people for whom death exists only in the grave, only in material meaning. They are beyond death in psychological meaning. So they do not give a s. about the fact that there are people who must or have enough of dealing with death in reality that does not even exists for their empty strongly apollonian (the least psychological)perception.

    We are talking about war between theological/material negation of death and the brutal realism of death in psychological reality. Because death is the essence of depression. And psychiatry is using theology.

    PSYCHIATRY IS USING THEOLOGICAL NEGATION, WHICH MEANS THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN DEPRESSION. THEY SEE THEOLOGICAL SIN IN PLACE OF PSYCHOLOGICAL NEED.

    Bahahaha. Yeah.

  • We need to cure psychiatry first. Like I have said before, psychiatry is a form of imaginal sickness, and psychiatric jargon is a form of linguistics sickness. We need human/ pro psychological language that will describe psychological reality in human/PROPER way. We need that language to heal our perception of the psyche, because medical jargon is a psychopatic form of demonization of the psychological reality.

    We need to cure imagination and the language, first. Like Hillman did. Our imagination is full of psychiatric lies.

    We need to cure from PSYCHIATRY itself.

    Psyche does not need healing, it needs our courage to face death and suffering which are beyond medical control.

    We do not need healing, we need to learn to face the reality full of non theological suffering, kids. This is psychology not a theology, we cannot cure anything, psyche can do it itself. And psyche or depression is not our property.
    Yes, depression can kill you.
    GROW UP.

  • What is psychiatric language? What is psychiatry compared to psyche?
    It is fake scientism that destroyed poetry.

    Psyche do not need cure. We need to cure psychiatric jargon which is a form of linguistics sickness.

    Psychiatry is a form of imaginal sickness.

  • I have also language intelligence. I have also language awarness like James Hillman.

    Psychiatric language is not human. Diagnosis is only a mark on a psychological map, or it should be if we have human attitude toward psychological reality.But we have not, we have empty nominalism, false empiricism, empty judgements without roots. We talk about psyche as if she was deprived of beauty. Psychiatric language is a destroyer of the worlds.

    We should have a phenomenological attitude and then diagnosis would be only a human description of the psychological archetype/style of thinking. But now, we have some fake medical illnesses, demonization or theological negation, and we think that apollonian ego is in the center of the psyche. Psyche needs Copernicus and Luther King in one person. We need political defenders.

    I can only recommend James Hillman “Re – visioning psychology”, and his vision of psyche. This is my cure. This cure is a cure of the psychiatric language, because that language needs to be healed. Psyche is psyche, and apollonian ego wants to destroy psychological reality and create false biological model of psyche.

    Monoteism/purism/theology, medical language, or apollonian ego perspective, are not the proper ways to describe psyche.

    Thank you for an important article.

  • We need “real’ psyche. The problem with psychiatry is that they treat psychological reality as something fake or useless. It is all about language they should use to describe it….That language does not exists. Psyche does not exists, because of that sad fact. We need human language, not medical jargon to describe psychological reality.

    James Hillman created that language.Psychiatry created only false empiricism. We need human meaning of psyche, not pseudo medical (theological) condemnation.

    “Re -Visioning psychology” James Hillman. When we imagine, we create new reality. And now, we can only imagine that reality we need. Imagination, politeism is the key to know the psyche. Purism and monotheism is poison for psyche.

    Believe me or not, but, the first 60 pages of Re-Visioning psychology has completely changed my attitude toward human psychology. Hillman was an amazing thinker and also the one almost completely unknown.. That is why I want to share his amazing kind of thinking with others.
    That book is a treasure and a burden at the same time.
    Truth has its burden, especially in the world full of lies. Wisdom is all we have. So I sowing a small seed of the future, today.

    The great ideas is all we have.

  • “Depression is still the Great Enemy. More personal energy is expended in manic defenses against, diversions from, and denial of it than goes into any other supposed psychopathological threat to society.”

    “Yet through depression we enter depths and in depths find soul. Depression is essential to the tragic sense of life. It moistens the dry soul, and dries the wet. It brings refuge, limitation, focus, gravity, weight, and humble powerlessness. It reminds of death. The true revolution begins in the individual who can be true to his or her depression. Neither jerking oneself out of it, caught in cycles of hope and despair, nor suffering it through till it turns, nor theologizing it – but discovering the consciousness and depth it wants. So begins the revolution in behalf of soul.”

    James Hillman

    I can’ t see problem in state of the depression, but in people who are searching for a medical cure.
    To cure means to accept, to believe -TO BELIEVE IN PSYCHOLOGICAL SUFFERING. There is no cure if we show hate toward depression. And that hate is purely egoic or theological.
    Apollonians knows nothing about psyche, but still they want to make money on psychological man.

    To search for medical cure means that no one believe in the depression per se. This is unreal for happy people. They want to lock you up, because of their hatred and lack of time to be with someone beyond naive apollonnian archetype.
    Psyche is the truth, depression is the truth, and mental health is when your ego is too naive, and to far from psychological reality, and death. Mental health is psychological naivety. And depression and psychosis are psychological awareness.

    DO WE UNDERSTAND “MENTAL HEALTH” DEFINITION, PROPERLY? No.

    They want to cure someone form something which is not a medical issue. There is no virus of depression, to get rid of, so they will get rid of human being.

    For “biological” psychiatry, human being is a pathogen.
    We must remember that apollonic society (the ego in the center of the psychological reality) is not a psychological society, it is material and fake like plastic. Resurrection of the psyche is needed.

    James Hillman “Re – Visioning psychology”. .

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    We need psychological Copernicus. Because apollonian ego is not in the center of the psyche, apollonian archetype (NORMALCY) is on the borders of psychological reality.
    And the center of the psyche has got nothing in common with normalcy.

    HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE. Yes, we have. The problem is not the schizophrenia. The problem is with people who sold the soul to the butchers. Apollonians and their utopian fixations is the main problem of humanity. Apollonians wants to get rid of psychological man from authoritarian/egoic/material/empty/non human society of anti psychological biological machines.

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    James Hillman “Re -Visioning psychology.”

  • And I just want to say that word GENIUS and TALENT in proper meaning, means something else..

    ““Genius” is a prostituted word by capitalism.”

    Apollonian ego has destroyed psychological reality, and that reality starts in the death/hades reality and ends on the apollonian shallow level. Spirituality is beyond apollonian ego level. Many people, many christians confuse apollonian ego with christian spirit. They also confuse psyche with spirit.

    I love Russian Orthodox church, because I am a great fan of their music. I listen to the –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6SP-tRFV44

    It is one of the greatest Choral Masterpieces.

  • Can somebody from church tell god to read” Re-visioning psychology”? It was written by James Hillman. It is about human psychology, not about spiritual escape from death/psyche reality.
    There are too many differences between spirituality and the psychological reality. We cannot talk about psychological reality while sitting on the cloud, far beyond the underworld, like spiritualists or apollonian people do. They are beyond reality they are talking about.

    Jesus rised from the death, ok? Only Jesus, no one else.

    Tell GOD that Sylvia Plath and many other’s can’t. And that Jesus story destroyed our psychological reality.

    God should know what theology has done with psychology.
    Spirituality is not psyche.

    https://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/487/em-from-em-br-we-ve-had-a-hundred-years-of-psychotherapy-and-the-world-s-getting-worse

  • I have one bible. It is “Re -visioning psychology” written by James Hillman in 1970. It is about psychological reality, about the stolen wisdom. Spiritualism, religion, has got nothing in common with psychological reality. But psychological reality was replaced by theology and spiritual fundamentalism. This is tragedy. Tragedy for psychological man. And the problem is that we DO NOT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SHOCKING FACT. Hillman knew, because he was the greatest thinker ever.

  • So Anneliese Michel was killed by mother. She was an example of what psychological reality can do with our small ego if that ego is beyond material, apollonian illusion of control.

    The psychology says, that she was killed by orthodox family and evil mother. Psychiatry says that she was mentally ill or send her to devil advisers. The theologians says that she was possesed by the devil

    And antichrist = human, will say – No, stop. Psychological reality is a true reality, hades reality can do everything with your small ego. Small planet in space, this is our ego in psychological realms.

    Psychiatry will tell you, that only this planet is real, that this planet is mentally ok. And the rest does not exists, or it is a form of sickness. And theology will tell you, that when you are beyond this small planet you are in the devil area. That you are possessed.

    We need someone who sees that space beyond our small ego, who will tell everyone that psyche does exists. We need James Hillman, because his eye is a window for the blind.

    Or that girl (AND MANY OTHERS) died in vain.

  • 3.Transcendence.

    As third way to refuse psychopathology is to stand above it. This is transcendental denial. It comes in several varieties, one of which is humanistic psychology. In attempting to restore his dignity to man, this psychology idealizes him, sweeping away his pathologies under the carpet. By brushing pathologies aside or keeping them out of its sight, this kind of humanism promotes an ennobled one sideness, a sentimentalism which William James would have recognized as a tender -mindeness.

    It shows immediattely in the words favored by contemporary psychological humanism. Unlike the terms of professional psychopathology. these resonate with positive glow – health, hope, courage, love, maturity, warmth, wholeness, it speaks of the upward-growing forces of human nature which appear in tenderness and openness, and sharing and which yield creativity joy, meaningful relationships, play and peaks.

    Besides the fact that notion of growth is simplistic, of nature romantic, and love, innocent – for it presents growth without decay, nature without catastrophes or inert stupidity, and love without possession – besides all this, its idea of the psyche is naive if not delusional. For where is sin, and where are viciousness, failure, and the crippling vicissitudes that fate brings through pathologizing?

    IT IS OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE STOIC TRAGIC VIEW OF EXISTENTIAL, IRRATIONAL, PATHOLOGICAL MAN.

    Whereas tender minded humanism uses the baby and growing todler fir its
    developmental model of man, the tradition of depth psychology sees the same child with a more perverse, tough-minded eye. Depth psychology builds upon the darker perceotion if Freud and Jung, their well – tempered pessimism and eye for shadow. By insisting on the brighter side of human nature, where even death becomes “sweet”, humanistic psychology is shadowless, a psychology without depths, whose deep words remain shallow because transcendence is its aim. To transcend, it leaves the lower, baser, and darker behind as “regression – values”.

    Order can always encompass disorder…We can each move up and out of our pathological conditions.
    In actualizing and realizing higher needs, lover ones become integrated.

    Like “Peak experience” by Maslow. Oriental denial of psychology.

    By going upward towards spiritual betterment they leave its afflictions, giving them less validity and less reality than spiritual goals.

    IN THE NAME OF THE HIGHER SPIRIT, THE SOUL IS BETRAYED.

    James Hillman, Re -visioning psychology.

  • 2 NIHILISM
    Eventually the inventions of ever — new empty names leads to a second style of denial, anarchic nihilism. The anarchic denial goes like this –
    classifications are linguistics conventions deriving their authority wholly from a consensus of experts, from tradition and textbooks. These words become power words, political words, words of a psychiatric priesthood… They help the names and hurt the named….

    Karl Jaspers,Michael Foucault, Laing.

    But the psychopathology still remains. It is merely found a new false home. They regard the sickness as resulting from the system that deals with it. These critics all deny the pathologizing and would get rid of it by getting rid of psychopathology.

  • THREE STYLES OF DENIAL( of the psychological reality)

    1 NOMINALISM

    The first of these we may call the nominalistic denial for its focus on the words, on the naming and classifying of psychic complaints.All through the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries it was high psychiatric vogue to isolate specific disorders by inventing new names. Almost all the words now so familiar were made up then- alcoholism, autism, schizophrenia, claustrophobia, exibitionism, homosexuality, masochism, schizophrenia, and also psychiatry…. It was a fond dream of the Enlightenment, as it is of the rational person in any period, to classify the world of the mind, like the word of plants and animals, into categories, with subclasses, genera and species. Soon disputes broke out between regional schools, as French, British, and German MEDICAL PSYCHOLOGY USED DIFFERENT TERMS. A typical and famous dispute lasting into Freud’s time was between the French and Germans in regard to hysteria, the Germans insisting that it could appear in women because the word hystera meant uterus and that if French psychiatry found hysteria also in men this told more about Frenchman than about hysteria.

    The classifying approach reached its monumental culmination, as did much else in the human effort to force rational control upon nature, at the time of First World War. Then Emil Kraepelin of Munich presented a new edition of his comprehensive four volume textbook of psychiatry in which the seams joining his observations wit his prejudices shows so little and held so tightly that his system of classifying every known form of psychopathology has permeated, if not dominated, psychiatric nomenclatures the world over into our own day.

    The main attack upon the nosology and taxonomy of psychic pathology has been directed at the relation between words used and the events they are supposed to signify. These words are empty nomina, they have no intrinsic connection with the conditions, or underlying reasons for them. which the labels so carefully describe.

    Whether cynical or not, this approach is the main attitude behind psychiatric nomenclatures. The technical terms – sketches of symptoms, their onset and course, and their statistically expected outcome. Nothing further about the nature of the person exibiting the syndrome or about the nature of the syndrome itself is necessary for applying one of these psychopathological labels.

    Schizophrenic behavior can be precisely described and attributed to a person independent of whatever might be its underlying reasons;;genetic, toxic, psychodynamic, biochemical, social, familial, semantic. The empirical nominalistic view calls for nothing more, nothing deeper than MASTERING A TECHNICAL VOCABULARY.

    JAMES HILLMAN RE -VISIONING PSYCHOLOGY

  • James Hillman, Re- Visioning psychology, Suicide and the soul. Manufacture of madness.

    I am not searching for non existent cure or hope. Because I am not interested in naive theologization of psychological reality. I am looking for the truth. Hope is not even a logic assumption. Hope is not an psychological term, it is theological naivety.

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    Psychological truths are incurable. They can change or they can kill you.
    Apollonian ego never will admit that in psychological hierarchy they are those who are furthest away form the psychological truths.
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    Thelogization of the psyche is sin against humanity.
    Apollonian hegemony over psyche is a sin against humanity.
    Theological,medical hegemony over psychological hades is the end of humanity.

    JAMES HILLMAN RE – VISIONING OF PSYCHOLOGY.

  • Some quotes about how theology damaged psyche (psychological underworld) psychosis reality, schizophrenia reality:

    Let us compare: Dionysos and Orpheus went down to redeem close personal loves: Orpheus, Eurydice, Dionysos, his mother Semele. Hercules had tasks to fulfill. Aeneas and Ulysses made their descent to learn there they gained counsel from the “father” , Anchises and Teiresias. Dionysos in Aristophanes “Frogs”, went down another time in search of poetry to save the city. But Christ’s mission to the underworld was to annul it through his resurrected victory over death. Because of his mission all Christians were forever exempted from the descent. Lazarus becomes the paradigm for all humankind. We all shall rise” (James Hillman, Dream and the underworld)

    One effect of this battle with the underworld was the satanizing of Thanatos. The black figure with wings, indsictinct, and even at times gentle in pagan descriptions, became “the last enemy”. and the personification of principle of evil. The underworld became throughly moralized: death became equated with sin. As is so often the psychological rule, the sin that one commits is attributed to that which one commits it upon. Projection. The moral justification for destroying an enemy is that the enemy is destructive.

    The Christian image of hell was thus a projection of a hellish image in Christianism. It must have been in raging despair over the bad exchange it had made. It had lost soul, depth, underworld, and the personifications of the imagination in exchange for idealized spiritualizations in high heaven.

    Now the psychological realm is for psychiatry a devil’s realm. The fear the devil indicated his nearness which also indicated one was in danger of losing Christ. So the devil was established by the fear. The devil image still haunts in our fears of the unconscious and the latent psychosis that supposedly lurks there. and we still turn to methods of Christianism – moralizing, kind feelings, communal sharing, and childlike naivete – as propitiations against our fear, instead of the classical descent into it, the nekyia into imagination.

    Dreams that have their home in the underworld must, too become anti -Christian.
    (James Hillman, Dream and the underworld)
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    The underworld means pure psychological reality. For example life and death of Annelise Michel. She was there, in strict psychological reality, which was stolen by theological hell.

    It is about rejected reality of death, the reality of schizophrenia, psychosis. It does not exists for theological psychiatry. But Anneliese Michel was real person, with real personality, with real ego in psychological Hades. She was there. And she was a hero of descent.
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    Without books:
    Manufacture of madness, Re -visioning psychology, Suicide and the soul, or Dream and the underworld, no one will know anything about the psychological reality.

  • Some James Hillmans quotes –

    APPLYING A SIMPLER MODEL TO COMPLEX CONDITIONS TWISTS NATURE TO A PREFABRICATED FRAME. It is a pathological bias.

    The end of clinical treatment is cure. The process comes to a fruit and all medical measures are stages towards this fulfillment. Consciousness, however, as far as we can read the evidence, comes to no definite goal, no final fruition, but is is a continuous in-going process.
    An analysts who has a notion of cure as a goal of his work is thinking medically. He has not grasped the nature of the complex, the basis of analythical process. There are no antidotes for complexes. The cannot be cured away because complexes are not causes, though they be the determinants of psychic life. A medical model tends to conceive them like a wounds or traumata. or as malignants growths and foreign bodies to be removed in the medical manner.
    But if complexes are energetic centers, the cannot be “cured” without damaging the vitality of the patient.

    Health requires death.

    If lay means unprofessional, then lay means open.

    IF THE PATIENT IS THE DISEASE, GETTING RID MEANS A DESTRUCTIVE REJECTION OF THE PATIENT.

    The conflicts which arise in clinical teams between psychiatrist and social worker reflect this difference between knowledge and understanding.

    Getting better means getting stronger, health become equivalent to strength, strength to life. We are built up to break down and then be rebuilt as we were before, like a machine caught in an accelerated feedback.

    The physician has been trained in biology. His model of development comes from studies of evolution, mainly on sub human species;

    “……psychotherapy is deluded by the idea that everyone must be normal (cured) having children, and “doing things”. or be creative by writing or painting or making things.
    The root of physician is “bhu”, meaning to grow, “to produce”.

    CREATIVITY DOES NOT MEAN ONLY PRODUCTIVITY OF A VOLUMINOUS PHYSICAL SORT (psychological work).
    This is biological model of growth, not psychology….

    James Hillman, Suicide and the soul.

    In my opinion pathological physical non productivity is the hardest work of all. The hardest.The rest is a joke. Physical work compared to psychological work is a joke.

    Without Hillman knowledge psyche will be destroyed.In my opinion autism, especially autism is a psychological answer to reality corrupted by egoic biological machines. Psyche need their psychological work, which is a work against materialism. Apollonians says no, like computers, because they are materialists, and the least psychological people.

    Well, psyche won’t listen to you, I can assure you, she won’t. This is corrupted antipsychological reality, and egoic people must pay. So pay the same price that psychological man has already paid.

    Herr God, Herr Lucifer
    Beware
    Beware.

    Out of the ash
    I rise with my red hair
    And I eat men like air.

    Sylvia Plath.(psyche)

  • So what? He still belongs to the well paid system of dehumanization. Psyche does not exists for psychiatry. The have their fake theories, and they have build theological hegemony over human psyche, and now psyche is invisible and condemned. Healthy means good, and evil means ill.
    This is not psychology, this is theology.

    James Hillman Re -Visioning psychology.

  • There is a psychological need of depression and the need of the others states than normalcy. And psychiatry seems to negate all of the human psychopathology. All they want is normalcy, apollonian ego hegemony, the mental health utopia. This is childish destruction of the true image of the psyche. There is a need of psychopathology and that need is being destroyed by egoic people. By apollonians. They ridicule human psyche.

    We are talking about things that are beyond small will of the ego. We are talking about the rights of the psychological reality. We do not own that reality, medicine do not own and anti human theology cannot cope with it.

    James Hillman Re – Visioning psychology.

  • Psychiatry without psyche is a clock without time. We need Luther King who will demand bringing back the phenomenology of the psyche in place of false empiricism. Now, we have Apollo hegemony, which is so destructive, so empty. We need Zeus/Hades in the place of apollonian hegemony, because Apollo is too psychopatic. Without reading Hillman no one will understand this. Psychiatry is so toxic because for them only apollonian ego is a real part of psychological reality. The rest belongs to trash bin. This is ridiculous, and this is invisible regime. Psyche must regain its stolen image.
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    James Hillman, Re -Visioning psychology.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWvOHT0zfXY
    heil psyche

  • This is very sad, Rachel. Psychiatry turns poetic side of psyche into dust. We are living in strictly material reality in which there is no enough wisdom to respect soul. You have soul. But there are people who have got only brains. Beware of them.

  • Hi. I remember your article about the side effects….I was so shocked.
    You are a hero, Sandra. We should also remember that love is not a good reason to fight. Anger is, and anger is good. Thanks to anger we want to wake up. And what I have learned already is the fact that no one will love you for telling the truth. That is why victims of the psychiatric dehumanization are invisible. And if someone is broken by the system, he is probably the greatest hero.

  • Without love, we have nothing….This is saint Paul and this theology not psychology. Many people live beyond theological meaning of love BUT NOT beyond Eros.
    Many psychological archetypes are beyond typical Eros in “theological” meaning. Love belongs to mythical Eros and Eros has got many dimensions. Eros is not only material love (biblical love), it it far more complex than material love like marriage between man and woman. Eros was destroyed by theology and materialism, especially by theology. Imaginal love is also a love.

    ” All impossible love forces upon us a discipline of interiorizing. Anima becomes psyche as the image of the impossibly loved person who tends to represent the daimon that, by inhibiting compulsion, fosters new dimensions of psychic awarness.” James Hillman

    Eros is born of chaos. And Eros is connected with destruction…..You won’t hear that from saint Mark…YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT IT FROM SARAH KANE.

    For us Eros means theological love, material love. Love has got many dimensions, from strictly material to pure psychological. They say that psychological love is something unreal. Well I fell in love many times and it has nothing to do with material relationships or god.

    That is why they invented metal. ; )

    “Without love I would be nothing” . And now people without love in theological meaning, means nothing. Theology is not humane.

  • Who have given the power over psyche, to psychiatry? The power to eliminate suffering,the power to eliminate death? Who gives them the power to treat psychological man as a impaired human being?
    The answer is -theology, god. And economy of course.
    And spiritual god has got no human traits, he has got only claims to human nature, to human psyche. And now we are hideous creatures,empty creations of biological impulses. Without psychological image, human being is not even a human anymore.

    Mythical gods represents our psychological traits, not the god of spiritual negation. And psychiatry represent the spiritual negation, not psyche. And we have what we have. Contemporary inquisition, negation.
    Psychiatry does not represent human psyche.

    Psychiatry represents ego or god, not the psyche.

  • Once, there was one love expert. In Police Academy.
    There’s no spiritual experts or professionals, because spirit is not a science.
    And when they are, we have a similar situation as in the movie – The master.
    Spiritual professionals, psychological professionals === destroyers.

    So why we think that we can make a science from psychological reality? Authoritarian mind is the problem, and psychological man is even more human that mentally health people. Because mental health is a convenient illusion of apollonian ego, and we must remember that ego on apollonian level is separated from the death and psychological reality. So they do not feel connection with psyche, they feel better, more important, because they are materialists, and ego is their god. And when apollonian ego is the god, the psyche is the enemy, and psyche does not exists. And this is psychiatry – ego fundamentalism of psychologically blind people.

    They see a power in this separation, and they see weakness in depression, psychosis, in death. Theology sees death as weakness, this is not psychology, this is childish negation. There is no logic in seeing psyche as the weakness. This is ignorance and also arrogance.

    Apollonian ego is using theology, not psychology to stressed it’s own separation from death, from psychological reality.
    Apollonians are convinced that every contact with psyche is a biological illness. This is apollonian ego problem.

    Why we feel the way we feel? And what to do to feel better?
    Empiricism is the problem, psyche is not a science.

    And theological negation cannot be the answer, the spiritual fascism is also a negation of psychological reality.

    They are the problem – the empiricists. Go back to school, far away from psyche.

    James Hillman Re – Visioning psychology.

  • Yes, it makes sense.
    That is why Hillman is not another false prophet.He was rejected, because truth is inconvenient, it is scary and it hurts. It is also more important than lies. But who wants the know the truth anyway? Apollonians are beyond psychological reality so they use it for their own convenience, because THEY CAN.

  • Psyche can not only destroy your grey matter. Psyche can kill you. Ego is too small to fight off the psychological/death reality – psychiatry called it schizophrenia, but this is only empty nominalism and theological negation, nothing more.

    Apollonian ego can be broke as matchstick by hades/psychological reality. Medicine, theology has got no power over death reality/strict psychological reality. That reality killed many people –
    Plath, Anneliese Michel, Sarah Kane, poets, many many poets, because of their psychological ability to see the reality of death.

    Ask the suicidal person if he or she want to die. They do not want -THE MUST. Welcome in psychological reality. Because what we have today is a ridicule and theological negation.

    Apollonians are fighters and winners, without battlefield and obstacles.

    We must see the psychological differences between the simplicity of apollonian ego reality and the great cruelty and complexity of archetypes beyond apollonian level. And this is mainly a death territory. And we must remember that we are living in society in which death starts and ends in THE GRAVE, not in the psyche. Because this is apollonic society.

    We must use words that has got a meaning.REAL meaning.

    Yes, psychological reality is death reality and it can kill you. There is no cure.

    AND I WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE BALLS ENOUGH TO ACCEPT THAT PSYCHOLOGY IS NOT F. THEOLOGY.

    BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE WERE BRAVE ENOUGH TO EXPERIENCE THEIR OWN DEATH.
    And that was not their choice, that was a must, the need, a necessity. TERROR is not a choice.

    Suicide is not a choice, it is a psychological terror.

    PSYCHOLOGICAL, read loud apollonians -P S Y C H O L O G I C A L, not material medical or theological. P S Y C H O L O G I C A L.

  • Psyche is something from the outside. Psyche does not belong to us, or to our ego or brain. Only ego on apollonian level is arrogant and shallow enough to think that WE CONTROL the mythical reality. When ego is beyond apollonian fantasy about control, that means we are insane.Our culture has got no future, because our psychology is too shallow and egoic.
    The problem is that there is no phenomenology of the psyche. There is only something between pseudo science and BS.

    We do not have to know why people feel the way they feel. People are not scientific objects, we are more than science.Space is not our property, psyche does not belong to ego. The problem is that no one can see the proper hierarchy in psychological reality. We think that apollonian ego is the ruler of the psychological reality. Materialists thinks that way, that is why there is a need of psychological socialism. To replace biological machines, to stop the pseudo medical slavery.
    Phenomenology in the place of false empiricism, psychology in place of theological dogmas.

    James Hillman Re – Visioning psychology.

  • “Now we are called defensive or resistant to the therapeutic process where once we might have been blamed for closing ourselves against God’s grace or turning from His will.”

    James Hillman

    “treatment resistant depression” – ideological terrorism in medical disguise.

    To give diagnosis of depression to someone in a world in which happiness is a duty.
    Well….Let’s think for a while, what will happen with these people?
    What could happen with psychological people in the apollonian ego era? In which only apollonian ego is a human identity and the rest is meaningless.

    We must know the differences between apollonian ego FUNDAMENTALISM and the rest of the psychological reality, or we will remain psychologically blind. The language is a weapon.

    http://www.terrapsych.com/hillman.html

  • Psyche is and always was a mythical reality. Phenomenology of the psyche was destroyed by Kraepelin, Bleuler , DSM, materialists, theologians, and so on.

    Biological model is false empiricism and negation of psychological reality. Apollonian ego is the greatest enemy of psychological man, because of lack of empathy, material and theological fundamentalism. To search for the reason of depression, or to search for cure for depression is also a theological destruction of depression (psychosis and so on). Because psychology see psyche as a theological sin, as evil. This is theology in medical disguise.

    There is depression, there is psychosis, there is happiness, there is faith, there is death, there is suicide, there is lack of hope. Everything is a part pf psychological reality, but not for apollonians. To cure means also to omit, to destroy. We, as psychological people, cannot omit psychopathology, but apollonians (psychiatric power, theological fundamentalists, haters of the psyche, the shallowest archetype) can, and they will, for power, for money, for ego, for career.

    Apollonians are those privileged, and psychological man is a slave for them,all they can see is theological evil, not human psyche.

    James Hillman Re – visioning psychology.

  • Psyche is not a science. Psyche is mythical reality, it begins in death reality (psychological hades) -autistics, schizophrenics, and ends in strongly materialistic shallow reality of apollonian ego – normal people, the least psychological people.
    Apollonian ego is the simplest archetype, that simple archetype wants to take over all of the psychological reality, mostly because of theological negation.

    Even depression is sth which is very easy, because ego remain intact by death reality, depression is also apollonic. In depression we see only the shadow of death.
    People like Annelise Michel were psychologically in death reality, and this is reality in which ego has got absolutely nothing to say. Nothing.
    You can not even imagine that LETHAL reality, far beyond ego control. Empaths can, it costs a lot.
    Egoic psychiatrists cannot even compare themselves with empaths.

    Psychiatry without proper image of the psyche means nothing. It is something which have destroyed and still is destroying the state. Apollonians, materialistic people destroyed psychological reality and have build up a reality which suits the needs of biological machines, not human beings.

    Apollonians are obliged to show respect to the death reality, because they are in the simplest psychological archetype. Their psychopatic attitude toward the rest of psyche, can be seen as a form of mental handicap.

  • I do not understand why you want help from enemy. No one will listen to human being in psychiatric hospital, they are there to condemn, dehumanize. Empty nominalism and history of the fake illness in the place of psychological reality won’t help anyone except psychiatrists. Psychiatry is using psyche to their inhumane authoritarian rituals of condemnation.

    Theological institution with roots in inquisitional darkness, is not a friend of psychological reality, because of strong connections between psyche and the death, and we should remember that normal people are far away from the most difficult parts of psyche. Those people are convenient materialists, they won’t believe in your psychological life, because they are there to condemn it and pray to mental health assumptions.

    You, know, we all fight here in the name of those killed and evaluated by psychiatry.

    No one will help psychological man in psychiatry, they will condemn him, because he is not normal.
    And normalcy (apollonian ego) is their only god, the rest of psychological reality (death) does not exists for them.

    Death for psychological apollonians begins and ends in the grave. (Think about it, before they send you there) This is strongly materialistic and psychopatic archetype. They confused psychological reality with brain illnesses for their own convenience.

    And gods of apollonian ego are career money and power over psychological reality of others, those less privileged in apollonian inhumane, strongly material and psychopatic reality. They condemned and ridiculed psychological man, because they do not believe in psychological reality, they believe in their negation and false empiricism.

    I am convinced that there should be places for death reality, for suicidal people, for those who are psychologically in death reality. AND I AM SURE THAT Apollonians (normal, egoic people, theological fundamentalists) should stay away from those people. Stay away kids, go to your schools to learn how to serve to inquisition and biological model of dehumanization, because you must have money to survive, and survival is so difficult for….. Hillman, Szasz, Whitaker, Breggin, Gotzsche, are not for impaired corrupted servants.

    I tell you what, if someone can’t survive and he is psychologically in apollonian archetype (far away from death), he is lazy dumb and weak.

    The only people who have right to have a “problem” with survival are those in death reality, because this is hard to bear reality The rest is simply lazy.

    People in the shallowest psychological archetypes should stay away from psychological man.
    Apollonian people cannot recognize psychological reality, they are psychologically beyond that reality. They are highly dangerous theological criminals who are using empty nominalism, inhumane ideologies and some pseudo medical rituals.

    Normal people need psychiatric hospitals, prisoners, outcasts, because truth about psyche is too difficult for their simple convenient reality. Yes, I do hate apollonian fundamentalists.

    People in depression cannot get out of the bed.
    People in death reality, in agony, cannot stay in bed anymore.

    I have one thing to say to apollonic psychiatry—- your negation will destroy you, sonner or later. You are the destroyers OF PSYCHOLOGICAL REALITY, and you will be destroyed BY PSYCHOLOGICAL REALITY.

    James Hillman Re- Visionning psychology.

    I believe in the greatness of human psyche, not in your fake and lame inhumane pseud science.

  • To know something about psychology, first we need to know what psyche is. I do not think that anything could change until we won’t back to the roots of abandoned wisdom. Psychological reality is not material world, biology, and it has nothing to do with spiritualism. Without phenomenology and proper image of the psychological reality psychological man will remain either “crazy” or stupid.
    Mythical reality must be restored to our world. Brain is not the psyche, but materialists claim that it is, because they want to destroy and control it.

    RE -VISIONING PSYCHOLOGY, JAMES HILLMAN, it is an obligatory book to everyone who want to know what psyche is and want to defend psyche. Our reality destroyed the proper image and the meaning of psyche, because of hegemony of materialists (the least psychological people) and their false empiricism for money and power.
    “Suicide and the soul” is also important book, because of the phenomenology and meaning of the death . We are using theology in medical disguise to reject psychological phenomena, because of their connections with the death, and death is rejected by theology, so is psyche.
    This is non human reality. Material reality should be a place to live in, not a place of material terrorism of those who means more than materialism itself.

  • No. To look for material causes of depression is a nihilism. The causes of depression are purely psychological. Materialists think theologically about psychology which is a fallacy and a crime against
    LOGIC and psyche, crime against death.

    They think that when sb is rich, he or she, must be also happy – this point of view actually shows their ignorance and stupidity.
    And completely non psychological attitude.
    Either childish thinking or theological negation. Grow up, apollonian people. Just grow, up.

    The reason of happiness and unity is psychological blindness. Depression means psychological awakening.
    Psychosis also is sth beyond material reality, it happened in strictly psychological reality which is not real for apollonian fundamentalists/materialists.

  • Depression is still the great enemy. More personal energy is expended in manic defenses against, diversions from, and denials of it than goes into other supposed psychopathological threats to society – addictions, psychopatic criminality….

    As long as we are caught in cycles of hoping against despair….as long as our actions in regard to depression are ressurrective, implying that being down and staying down is a sin, we remain Christian in psychology.

    Our stance toward depression is a priori a manic defense against it….

    Because Christ resurrects, moments of despair, darkening, and desertion cannot be valid in themselves…Our model insist on light at the end of the tunnel,,,therapy more or less consciously imitate this program.

    James Hillman

    The problem is that we do not want to see the need of depression. Apollonians or people beyond the state of depression do not believe in depression or darkness per se, they believe in resurrection and light. So identity + depression is not a real one for them, no one believe in our depression, they believe that it is a sin.

    This is theology, not psychology – to cure state which is beyond the world of body sickness, beyond medicine. This is impossible. Theological pseudo medicine and the terror of health is not an answer for/to human depression. Courage and the truth is the answers.

  • You will understand after reading phenomenology of the psyche. Because now we have only false empiricism in pseudo medical disguise. That is why reading Hillman should be obligatory for everyone, because we are psychological beings, not psychiatric pseudo biological machines. Hillman was and still is the first and the only phenomenologist, not another false prophet. And phenomenology is the only way to deal with psychological attitude. Psychiatric, medical attitude is psychopathic attitude,

    and psychiatric, professional attitude towards psychological reality is a fallacy and has nothing to do with truth, humanity or empathy.

    Psyche does not need moralization or priests in disguise. Psyche needs truth and wisdom. Authoritarian mind and profession is deprived of those traits by definition,,,,,, they are completely useless agents of dehumanization for money. Control, power, money.

    I recommend everyone to read Hillman, because his words are words of human being. Psychiatry can’t speak humanly about psychological reality and that is the greatest evil of all.
    I am against psychiatrization of psychological reality.
    Words can cure – that is poetry. The aim of psychiatric language is to kill poetry, to kill everything which have any connections with poetry.

    “Psychological awareness rises from errors, coincidences, indefiniteness, from the chaos deeper than intelligent control.”

    James Hillman

    http://www.terrapsych.com/hillman.html

  • I see that you like poetry. You could or rather, maybe you should read James Hillman, because he wrote about connections between psychological life and poetry. Everyone who is interested in poetry, should read “Re – Visioning psychology”. I think it is obligatory for poets and psyche defenders to read his books. Because psyche it is not a science and never will be. We are living in the era of apollonian ego cult, and that unnoticed cult actually means, a cult of psychopathy.

    Psyche is not a brain science. What a shame, that we are living in such a soulless dark times.

    We, as society, we are already in psychosis.

    Diagnosis can’t be a judgement. Diagnosis is an alternative to normalcy (apollonian ego). In psychological hierarchy there are simple materialists and there are also complex psychological people. This is holocaust of those who are too complex for simple material world of slacker people in easiest psychological archetypes.

    Our system is evil, because of hatred, of those who are healthy, for pathology (psychological suferring and death) Main aim of psychiatry and capitalism is to preserve the lowest possible status of human being.(meat reality without any psychological meaning)

    To defend psyche means to defend mainly the DEATH reality, non material reality. And for materialists death does exist, but only in the grave. For psychological man, for ill people death is a main reality (that is why I see them as those who are the bravest).

    Depression, schizophrenia, autism are not real for APOLLONIANS, because those diagnosis (psychological archetypes) represents the pathology they rejected and now they are afraid of. Cowardice (and also theology) killed psychological reality.

    Pathology + health = life , life – pathology =utopia

    Life is impossible without pathology, without death. Psyche does not exists without depression, schisophrenia, autism.

  • To talk about psyche and suicide as if it was a biological issue, it is barbarism. Read people, Suicide and the soul,chapter IX – PATHOLOGICAL BIAS.

    “Psychological disorder comes to mean childhood disorder, and the search is on for dissociating the present into past, the complex into simple, the psychological into material traumata. ” James Hillman.

    “As Dubos has said – this idea of health is utopian, it allows no place for realities of human health, which include disorder and suffering at every turn.”

    “The pathological bias has confused pain with suffering, numbing us to both.”

    “PHISICAN NO LONGER WORKS EMOTIONALLY, BECAUSE HIS PREDILECTION FOR SCIENTIFIC PATHOLOGY TENDS TO REMOVE HIM FROM THE UNDERSTANDING OF SUFFERING IN FAVOUR OF THE EXPLANATION OF DISEASE”

    The logos of suffering can not be described by a pathology textbook which uses clinical terms for soul experiences.

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    The wrong cure, or the right cure at the wrong time, does more harm than the open wound.
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    James Hillman

  • People see suicidal person as a weak one, because they are thinking in theological way… And we supposed to think in PSYCHOLOGICAL way – EGO can not win with death reality, it is to small to cope with this extremely lethal power. Not everyone can touch this difficult reality and so they do not have idea about what they are talking about. Apollonians do not have idea about what they are talking about, when the talk about suicidality, psyche….

    Ego can be crushed by death and that can lead to bodily/biological suicide, (we are dead already, because death is mainly a psychological phenomena, and death is for those who are alive) There is also a great abyss between ego in apollonian reality and ego in Death (Hades) reality. It is psychology, it is mythical, this is not a science, and never will be a science. When we talk about psychological realty we talk about the phenomenology, which was completely destroyed by theology and Kraepelin and company.
    The problem with materialists (psychological apolllonians) is that death for them starts and ends in the grave.

  • I have no words. I can only recommend a book, a book that helped me understand the meaning of suicide, and it was “Suicide and the soul”, written in 70s, by James Hillman. It was, and it is still, a revolutionary book, unknown book, negated book. I can also recommend Re- Visioning psychology. Those books helped me to understand the ideological lies that have nothing to do with psychology, suffering ;and that we are living in completely anti psychological reality. To understand psyche is to accept the death reality. I recommend Hillman to everyone who is looking for the truth about psychological reality.

  • Psychological man is in the same situation, as Black people were, not so long time ago. I am sure of it.

    James Hillman – Re -Visioning psychology – that book will help you understand why.

    Everyone seems to know everything about “mentally ill”. Well, let them read about themselves, about what means to be NORMAL in psychological language/reality. Apollonian ego is a anti psychological tyrant, coward and main killer of psychological reality.

    Apollonian ego is a thoughtless arrogant usurper.

  • Profession is profession, because of lack of emotions. Psychiatry is what it is, because of lack of empathy. Science, medicine with pretensions to science can not be an answer for psychological phenomena. Like I said before, apollonian ego has got no empathy and insight, apollonian ego has got only empty judgements. Apollonian ego has got no love, only cruel cold economic estimates. Empathy is not love or pity. Empathy means to understand and respect psyche, which is far beyond apollonian ego simple assumptions. To understand sth you must have phenomenological insight, not love.

    James Hillman “Re – Visioning psychology”.

  • Psychological man is a major feeding ground for authoritarians, they are using dehumanization of others for their own survival. Normal people are using psychological man for their own purposes. That is why I am against apollonian(egoic, material, economic, pseudo medical, DSM) hegemony over psychological reality, because egoic people are the least psychological and do not have the right and abilities to judge psychological man. Their gods are lame -economy, career and money.

    Apollonian Ego is buying personality. Psyche creates character. And I feel respect only before psychological reality and death, not before authoritarians an their lame reality. Egoic, jungian, pseudo medical and spiritual fictions are for cowards who needs false hopes, lies and so on.

    Psychological man is a hero IN PSYCHOPATIC REALITY OF SHALLOW APOLLONIANS. Shame on you apollonian fundamentalists.
    Pay the same price to psyche and maybe you will talk with psychological people, as EQUALS. Forget about the profession, your lies are over, apollonian ego hegemony is over, even if it is not visible in authoritarian capitalistic reality. It is over, and you know that.

    Material shallow egoic development can not, and never will be equal to psychological development through death. Never. Empty reality of material egoic psychopats is only a form of inhumane fad for money making. Shame on you, egoic people. Technology medicine and money won’t save you. Only truth can.

    James Hillman, “Re-Visioning psychology”.

  • Psyche don’t need arrogant pseudo professionals and their fixation on ego control (desperate search for control). Psyche needs defenders, phenomenology and truth, not false empiricism, and control. Psychological man needs phenomenology not profession, because psyche is not a form of science. You, apollonians are destroyers of the psychological reality. Your scientism is your god. Psyche do not need scientism and drugs, IT NEEDS THE REAL IMAGE AND HUMILITY.

    Psyche do not need theology, rationalism. Theology +rationalism+ pseudo medicine = false empiricism.
    WE NEED TO REVISE PSYCHOLOGICAL REALITY and we need the resurrection of psychological man.
    Profession has got nothing in common with the REAL IMAGE OF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL REALITY,EGOIC AUTHORITARIANS have stolen it. They, as the least psychological and extremely arrogant and materialistic species, have robbed psychological man of his rights. They have robbed psychological reality for their egoic needs ===MONEY, POLITICS AND CONTROL.

    PROFESSION KILLED PSYCHE AND EMPATHY, SHALLOW APOLLONIANS HAVE KILLED PSYCHOLOGICAL MAN FOR MONEY AND THEIR SHALLOW NEED OF CAREER.

    WE WERE ROBBED FROM A RIGHT TO BE PSYCHOLOGICAL BEINGS BY EGOIC FUNDAMENTALISTS.
    End of the story.

    James Hillman “Re-Visioning psychology”.

  • “…all the pseudo science are the professionals avoiding the exquisite discomfort of being with someone persistently over time in their distress, in their world, in their suffering. without knowing what particularly “to do” at any given moment….”

    Professionals are too shallow to be highly psychological themselves, they can’t even imagine themselves in psychological archetype beyond egoic control. That is because, apollonians, egoic psychopats are extremely shallow. But they do not know about that, they think that psychological blindness or shallowness is a form of courage or strength, and that psychological man is weak, and they are not… What a crazy disdain for human psyche.
    When ego is in apollonian archetype, we think that we have control over psyche, when ego is beyond apollonian archetype, control belongs to psyche itself, and then, we are called mentally ill (and then we are dehumanised, not undestood). This is strategy of denial, of rational or theological denial. Professionalls are pretending that people have control, when they have not, when they are beyond archetype of control.

    Apollonian archetype gives your ego easiness and control, the rest of psyche demands COURAGE and HUMILITY.

    We need phenomenological awarness of what is psyche. For authoritarians psyche begins and ends in apollonian ego archetype. Where is the rest, death, psychological suffering, and so on? Is psychology only for stupid brainless happy cowards, while human suffering, death is in the theological coffin or in rational trash can, together with psychological man?

    WHERE IS THE PSYCHOLOGICAL REALITY? PSYCHO LOGICAL, not rational, not theological – mythical, beyond ego control? Apollonian, material fundamentalists have destroyed phenomenology of the psyche. For economy, for politics. For money.

    James Hillman – Re -visioning psychology.

  • I am just a messenger. His words reveal hidden psychological truth, we are not aware of (I was not aware too) because of many ideologies, like rationalism or theology. Psychology is neither rationalism nor theology. The truth about psychological reality is unknown today, in the era of EGOic science.
    His knowledge is something people need. People should seek the truth, not the cure.

  • That is the main reason why James Hillman’s books should be read by everyone. Phenomenology of the psyche should be known to everyone. Especially “Re- visioning psychology”. People must get to know the ideologies behind psychiatric gibberish.

    http://www.terrapsych.com/hillman.html

    Someone should stop the ego hegemony over the psyche. Smiling psychopathy of apollonian ego suits the needs of capitalism and that is why psychiatry is what it is.

  • The evolution of the soul will be, when everyone starts reading Hillman and will defend SOUL and phenomenology against psychopathic tentacles of pseudo science. When we are perceived only as genetic biological beings, we will remain only meat – healthy or not healthy. We are perceived as soulless meat and this should offends us.
    We must fight for soul, to bring it back to our world. Hillman was trying.He left us his books.
    The soul – mythic reality, phenomenology of the psyche are main reasons why I believe that hostile and anti psychological system of deceitful materialists (eg.psychiatry) can not last forever.

    http://www.terrapsych.com/hillman.html

  • Ketosis is good for health for ALMOST everyone. And pure carbohydartes are poison for everyone. Ketosis is good, because it helps you to keep your glucose level low. Believe or not, our digestive system works perfectly only if carbohydrate level in food is lower than 5 %. Sweets are poison for everyone.

    The problem lies in logic, witches (mentally ill) need fire (drugs, healthy food) to become pure. Normal people do not need fire, because they are good enough.

    Re -visioning psychology – James Hillman
    Manufacture of madness – Szasz

    Ketosis -https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-tips-to-get-into-ketosis#section5

  • Can you do a brutal ladder, Peter? Was Hitler able to do it? If not, that means you are genetically lazy.
    Nazis fixation over body and genetics do not concerned their main leaders…. I am not saying you are Hitler, but it is very primitive and rude to submit biology and genetics over INDIVIDUAL PSYCHOLOGICAL ARCHETYPE.

    There are many kinds of heroism. One of them is being trapped in psychological reality beyond your control. It so easy to be a hero in apollonian state of psyche. Their psychological archetype, their easiness is almost stupid. From psychological perspective death is the truth and apollonians, and those who called themselves healthy, are crazy utopians.

    When your ego is being shaterred you are becoming a hero of psychological descent. Spiritual fascists do not give a damn that they are in the simplest psychological archetype. And they think that lack of ability to see gives them a right to judge.

    Do you think, Rockefeller was there? Or Ghandi? Or maybe Jesus? Do you think that famous, shallow people were in that reality? No.
    Spiritualists and apollonians completely forget about psychological reality.
    There are heroes of descent. Apollonians as the least psychological, are the greatest heroes…… of psychological blindness.

    Strict psychological realty can kill you, like it kills Anneliese Michel and many more also rejected by church and condemned by psychiatry, because psychiatry does not believe in psyche. PSYCHIATRY BELIEVES IN SATAN.

    “Re-visioning psychology” James Hillman.
    Manufacture of madness – Szasz

    Read it Peter, because you are nice.

  • “We now call the destruction of old ideas, politely, a “paradigm shift.” “Catastrophe theory” would be more appropriate. The vitality of a culture depends less on its hopes and its history than on its capacity to entertain willingly the divine and daimonic force of ideas.”

    James Hillman – the only one defender of the psyche, and the only one phenomenologist. If you won’t understand what psyche is, you won’t defend anyone. The phenomenology is needed, and false empiricism must die. Psychological awarness means a new system. Without acceptance of mythical reality we can not defend psyche.

    “Re – visioning psychology”.

  • “We’ve Had a Hundred Years of Psychotherapy & the World’s Getting Worse”
    by James Hillman, Michael Ventura.

    Very important book.
    I write to you one quote from that book-

    Person A is put into a sensory deprivation room and wired for brain waves, skin resistance, heart rate, muscular activity, and respiratory changes. Person B is put into another such room, also wired, and is electrically shocked at random intervals.Person A is then told to guess exactly when person B is being shocked.
    The results were as follows:Person A’s conscious guesses “showed no relation to the actual events”. But Person A’s “polygraph reading indicated significant physiological changes at those instants when Person B was randomly shocked”.
    ….(The experiment is described in Tart’s book Altered States of consciousnes and discussed by Joseph Chilton Pearce in Exploring the Crack in the Cosmic Egg)

    When a culture has gained a certain kind of power partly through not seeing, or ignoring various modes of seeing, then that culture will defend its not – seeing by any means necessary.

    Again, an interesting phenomenon is how even the so called radical elements of the dominant culture buy into its fundamental assumption that only a fairly narrow spectrum of the material world has validity….we see it in psychology,where enormous funds are being spent to try and prove that all inner experience is chemically motivated….

  • Here are James Hillman quotes about psychotherapy-

    Now we are called defensive or resistant to the therapeutic process where once we might have been blamed for closing ourselves against God’s grace or turning from His will.

    “Well, what can I do about the world? This thing’s bigger than me.” That’s the child archetype talking. “All I can do is go into myself, work on my growth, my development, find good parenting, support groups.” This is a disaster for our political world, for our democracy. Democracy depends on intensely active citizens, not children.

    If therapy imagines its task to be that of helping people cope (and not protest), to adapt (and not rebel), to normalize their oddity, and to accept themselves “and work within your situation; make it work for you” (rather than refuse the unacceptable), then therapy is collaborating with what the state wants: docile plebes. Coping simply equals compliance.

    Now when therapy decides to cure the pathology, instead of seeing that the pathology is part of the crack or the broken window, and that something is trying to get in, then it seems to me it’s creating more pathology and keeping the Gods even further away. And then they break in through the whole fucking society.

    Recognition that the soul is also in the world may awaken us from the psychotherapeutic trance in which we pay a hundred dollars for an hour of subjectivism and no more than $19.95 for a beach chair in whose cold metallic arms and plastic lap reflection actually takes place, day after day.

    To what does the soul turn that has no therapists to visit? It takes its trouble to the trees, to the riverbank, to an animal companion, on an aimless walk through the city streets, a long watch of the night sky. Just stare out the window or boil water for a cup of tea. We breathe, expand, and let go, and something comes in from elsewhere. The daimon in the heart seems quietly pleased, preferring melancholy to desperation. It’s in touch.

    Thank You James. This is everything I have to say.

  • Hi, I have a few James Hillman’s quotes here – (James Hillman is THE ONLY ONE FAMOUS PHENOMENOLOGIST OF THE PSYCHE).

    To mythic consciousness, the persons of the imagination are real.

    Psychological awareness rises from errors, coincidences, indefiniteness, from the chaos deeper than intelligent control.

    Something always has you in mind.

    Is there a reality that is not framed or formed? No. Reality is always coming through a pair of glasses, a point of view, a language–a fantasy.

    The word “normal” comes from the Greek norma, which was a carpenter’s square, that right-angled tool for establishing straightness.

    The horizon of the psyche these days is shrunk to the personal, and the new psychology of humanism fosters the little self-important man at the great sea’s edge, turning to himself to ask how he feels today, filling in his questionnaire, counting his personal inventory. He has abandoned intellect and interpreted his imagination in order to become with his “gut experiences” and “emotional problems”; his soul has become equated with these. His fantasy of redemption has shrunk to “ways of coping”; his stubborn pathology, that via regia to the soul’s depths, is cast forth in Janovian screams like swine before Perls, disclosed in a closed Gestalt of group closeness, or dropped in an abyss of regression during the clamber up to Maslovian peaks.

  • Remember that Robert de Niro speech in Awakenings?
    All my life I feel like this – I am talking to walls. I do not want cure, money or nothing. I want RESPECT FOR THOSE IN DEATH REALITY. BECAUSE THEY PAID MORE THAN ENOUGH TO APOLLONIAN PSYCHOPATS..

    Because they are the most courageous people in the world of empty apollonians. They are the psychological minority and slaves of antipsychological barbarians

  • Diagnosis without connections with phenomenology means nothing.The problem is that the cure is the illness.
    Depression is the cure for apollonian egoic psychopathy.
    We value mental health because it is easy. When you are healthy – you are in a huge room, you can do what you want. This is because apollo has got the least connections with death realms, IT IS NOT OUR ABILITIES THAT WE CAN CREATE AND FEEL HAPPY – IT BELONGS TO PSYCHOLOGICAL REALITY, AND WE ARE ROBBED FROM THAT TRUTH. And when you are in the state of psychosis, you are in small dark room , you can not move. Cause death won’t let you.

    Who pays more?
    I want apollonian authoritarians to kneel down before Hades reality and give a new value to psychopathology and things that lies beneath the empty term – mental illness. I give a value to diagnosis, to illness.
    And health, Jesus Christ, compared to Hades reality apollonians are empty material idiots. Economy and fetishes has got a meaning for apollonians. They means nothing in death reality.

    READ HILLMAN, STEVE. YOU ARE THE BOSS HERE, SO YOU MUST DEFEND PSYCHE. AND WITHOUT RE VISIONING PSYCHOLOGY YOU WON’T DO IT PROPERLY.

    We are talking about psychological reality, not material reality, so we must know something about that reality. And THAT REALITY was stolen by economy, by authoritarians economy. Economy is their only god.