Sunday, October 2, 2022

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  • Thank you Dr. Kriegman, for going through mainstream psychiatry’s ethical shoddiness with a fine toothed comb. It shows how underhanded and opportunistic mainstream psychiatrists are. The trouble is, not enough people know this yet. But things are changing, and when change gets going, there’s no stopping it, and psychiatrists will finally look like the fools they are. Because I too think that “in the end the truth will prevail.”

  • Dan Kriegman says, “…clinicians have no access to the perspective and understanding that comes from comparing drug response to placebo response”, and “…we know that the impact of placebos can be greatly affected by their presentation.”

    This explains why psychiatric drug research is useless.

    Richard D. Lewis says, “….all of this research IGNORES the significant number of people (victims) who end up going down the “rabbit hole” of a seemingly endless number of new prescriptions of other drugs, including dangerous drug cocktails.”

    This explains how psychiatric drug research has no connection to the real world.

  • KateL,
    What do I mean by “cut your losses”? I mean don’t add to your frustrations by expecting the impossible. Which doesn’t mean not standing up for yourself when necessary; it means calmly disagreeing and calmly stating why, but not making an issue out of it if you’re not taken seriously or treated with disrespect, because getting upset just gives people more ammunition to discredit you. It’s a matter of learning to be in control of yourself and the situation. You probably know this already, but I’m just trying to help.
    I hope things get better for you soon.

  • KateL,
    There’s not much you can do about people who insist on calling you “mentally ill”, especially those who work in the “mental illness” system; it’s all they know, so trying to convince them otherwise is a waste of time. So don’t waste yours on people who aren’t worthy of you. But how you feel is completely understandable, as the term “mentally ill” is actually a slur, whether it’s intended or not. But after a while, it’s best to try and cut your losses whenever and however you can.

  • When trauma language becomes hackneyed, it then becomes perfunctory. And this is bad because so much of trauma is nuanced, meaning it can be hard to put into words, and even when words are used, the full impact of the trauma may not be conveyed, especially to (most) therapists, many of whom (imo) are overbearing, browbeating know-it-alls unable to pick up subtleties, even if they’re right in front of them. And since this is what passes for “therapy”, it’s no wonder there’s so many troubled people.

  • Dr. Holzman,

    I liked reading your article very much, because it sounds like you have a refreshing take on things.

    I like your term “developmentalist”; it takes the pathology out of psychology. And your approach to “…support people to develop themselves and their communities…(to) create new responses to existing situations” is what needs to happen, because it’s the only realistic and humane thing to do, not to mention reasonable and respectful. After all, what has pathologizing done for anyone except cause more trauma?

    And I’m glad you mentioned writing things down as I, too, found this helpful — a lot more helpful than talking to a therapist or taking “medication”. Writing removes the obstacle of having someone judge or misinterpret whatever I’m saying. Writing helps make sense of the impossible.

    Exploring new ways of looking at trauma is important, because, as you say, “—our feelings and what we call them and how we understand them—are always inextricably linked”, which to me means the difference between hope and despair. And new perspective means new life.

    Thank you again for sharing your new, positive approach. The world needs more good people like you.

  • There’s a reason why people call horrible things “unspeakable”; it’s because they’re traumatic. But that’s something most therapists seem to have a hard time understanding. And it’s my experience that most therapists can’t accept the fact that talk therapy doesn’t work for everyone. And on top of that, most therapists believe there’s something wrong with people who don’t find talking helpful, and that it’s the client’s fault if they don’t! Now THAT’S a trauma, right there, courtesy your local therapist. And for some reason, most therapists’ egos seem to depend on people spilling their guts, as if they own YOUR trauma, which they then feed off like parasites. Trauma, anyone???

    And NO ONE needs the ultimate trauma of being handed a “psychiatric diagnoses” –

  • KateL,
    Rejection can be devastating, especially when looking for help. And the places that turned you away says more about them than you.

    Finding a competent therapist is a crapshoot for anybody. But living a good life doesn’t depend on finding one — despite what anyone tells you. The key is learning to be your own therapist, which for me has meant learning to be my own best friend, as corny as that may sound.

    But what you’ve been through is devastating, and downright appalling, especially in this day and age. And what’s more appalling is then being rejected from the very system that’s supposed to be helpful. So, maybe you should stay away from a system that focuses on “mental illness”, which to me makes it the ultimate nightmare. And after all, it sounds like you’ve got A LOT more on the ball than most of the people that work in it. And don’t forget, KateL, you found your way to MIA! Let THAT be your badge of honor.

    Take care,

  • “Doing this can retraumatize”, meaning talking about trauma (or anything else) can be retraumatizing. And it doesn’t matter if someone says you’re not being “forced” to talk, because even just the expectation that talking is good causes feelings of obligation to talk, which can also be traumatizing, or just call it intrusive and invalidating.

    And the language of trauma in the wrong hands can be just as bad as the pseudo-medical gobbledegook psychiatry dishes out.

  • The lie that there’s a link between serotonin and depression is just the tip of the psychiatric iceberg. Why can’t the so-called “experts” see the link between the increase in “psychiatric disorders” and the publication of the DSM III, IV and V? Not to mention the introduction of SSRI’s and the “newer generation antipsychotics”. And don’t forget the increase in psychiatric drug-induced iatrogenic illnesses and resulting disability. But no one needs a Ph.D to connect the dots; it’s easy to see what’s been happening.

    It’s only a matter of time before enough people see what’s really going on. And at that point there may be a whole new medical specialty dedicated to dealing with the iatrogenic illnesses caused by psychiatry’s drugs. They could call themselves “iatrogenicists”.

    Psychiatrists need to remember that even in this day and age, the chickens always come home to roost.

  • Steve says, “And often results to which they never willingly agree to aspire, and continue to protest even when “in compliance.”

    This is what makes most “therapy” like obedience school; having to perform for a therapist who all the while prattles on and on about learning to be “authentic”, when, in fact, all they’re doing is a reenactment of negative family dynamics that most therapists aren’t even aware of. They just like the power. Which is why they defend their methods by hiding behind their precious “power imbalance”, that bullshit idea that allows them to control the conversation, just like mom and dad.

  • Dr Holzman, thank you for saying this: “Psychiatry and psychology have so altered our experience of human emotions that it is exceedingly difficult to feel, understand or talk about nearly any aspect of human life outside of the medicalized and illness framework we have been socialized to.”

    This can’t be said often enough these days, and I wish it were the first paragraph in every psychology textbook.

  • Joshua says, “Someone could have been traumatized in ways that they do not yet know how to give voice to….the most common forms of abuse are those which our entire society declines to recognize.”

    Vey true, but no one should be forced, coerced, or in any way made to feel obligated to disclose what’s happened to them, conscious or not. But unfortunately, most therapists are stuck on the belief that talk therapy is the only way to overcome trauma. Doing this can retraumatize and puts the trauma ahead of the person.

    What’s happened with trauma language is what often happens with any idea that captures the public’s imagination; it gets stereotyped. But Dr. Holzman brings up a very good question: can we live our lives without diagnosing ourselves? Now THAT’S a question worth pursuing.

  • Dear KateL,

    I’m so sorry this happened to you. It must have felt awful to have gotten your hopes up, only to be dumped so coldly. Please don’t think you were brainwashed; you reached out in hope, but unfortunately, it didn’t work out in that instance.

    Isn’t it ironic how an industry devoted to helping people often turns out to be the exact opposite? But who knows? Maybe there’s another therapist just right for you at betterhelp after all. In any case, I hope you get your money back.

    Best wishes,

  • Shiloh says, “Then on a regular visit to my psychiatrist I asked that my meds be decreased….He instead prescribed a fifth medication.”

    This is no surprise; it’s psychiatry’s modus operandi. But thankfully what followed was Shiloh’s moment of truth:

    “Standing at line at the pharmacy it just hit me that I couldn’t do this anymore…”

    Shiloh, I’m sorry you experienced so much needless suffering. But thank you for taking the time to write this essay. And please do write a book; it just might be what keeps someone else from falling into psychiatry’s “iatrogenic hell”. And “Madness to Miracles” sounds like a great title.

    May you enjoy continued improvements to your overall health and a loving reunion with your children.

  • Dear farmor,

    I’m so glad you listened to your son and were eventually able to stop all medication. I too have lost too much time listening to psychiatrists’ “bevy of lies”.

    And thank you again for your eloquence when saying, “The psychiatrists see us at our lowest ebb and pretty defenseless, unable to advocate for ourselves or readily believed, and desperately seeking answers wherever we may find them.”

  • Psychiatry’s DSM diagnoses medicalize normal reactions to life’s difficulties. And by medicalizing, psychiatry offers drugs that blot out the spiritual lessons and growth that could otherwise take place. And since most psychiatrists have swallowed mainstream psychiatry’s “scientific” delusions of their drugs’ efficacy, they’ve allowed themselves to be lulled into misinterpreting the “results” from their bought-and-paid-for “randomized clinical” drug trials.

  • Another commenter called psychiatry “opportunistic medicine” and farmor’s words explain why this rings true:

    “The psychiatrists, however, see us at our lowest ebb and pretty defenseless, unable to advocate for ourselves or readily believed, and desperately seeking answers wherever we may find them.”

    Can you guess what most psychiatrists call self-advocacy? If you say “noncompliance”, you’re right!

    “I now know that ALL DSM so-called “diagnoses” are simply different styles of coping mechanisms and not brain “disorders”.

    Thank you farmor for stating these important truths so clearly and succinctly.

  • Louisa says, “We, as a culture, are indoctrinated into believing that unless we are goal driven and seeking personal satisfaction at all times, there is something wrong with us.”

    Thank you for beautifully articulating what’s wrong with our culture. It’s the result of living in a society driven by constant striving for physical, emotional, social, and “professional” perfection. And anyone who doesn’t follow the party line of “go go go for more more more”, or who falls apart from trying to conform to this social tyranny, runs the risk of being pathologized and “medicated”. I think it’s one of the reasons behind affluenza.

    People should quit depending on “results” from “studies” and instead start looking for REASONS why they’re feeling the way they’re feeling. Then maybe they’d realize there’s nothing “wrong” WITH THEM —

  • farmor says, “The psychiatrists, however, see us at our lowest ebb and pretty defenseless, unable to advocate for ourselves or readily believed, and desperately seeking answers wherever we may find them.”

    Another commenter calls psychiatry “opportunistic medicine”, and farmor’s words explain why.

    “…ALL DSM so-called diagnoses are simply different styles of coping mechanisms and not brain “disorders”.

    Thank you farmor for stating these important truths so clearly and succinctly.

  • Most psychiatrists aren’t wired to be empathic; most are wired to dominate. And psychiatrists’ urge to dominate is soothed by having people dependent on them and their drugs which separate people from their gut feelings. I think most psychiatrists are afraid of their own gut feelings, which is why they spent their lives alienating people from theirs.

  • Why can’t these “scientists” see that their efforts to digitally explain “human cognition” is like trying to defy the laws of gravity?

    But sometimes it’s best to leave people to their digital navel-gazing.

    And what is naval gazing?
    Self indulgent or excessive contemplation of oneself or a single issue, at the expense if a wider view

    And yet, for all their overheated efforts to digitally explain human cognition, I can’t help but wonder if they know the difference between consciousness and conscience, never mind “cognition”. But something tells me that even if they do, it wouldn’t make any difference –

  • Because in all my pain, fear, and confusion, I was thoroughly brainwashed by the lie I was told by psychiatry (which further scared me out of my wits), the one where they tell patients, “You’ll need these medications the rest of your life.” And also because in my family, psychiatry was thought to be a legitimate resource. And I was raised to always be compliant with “doctors’ orders”.

  • “Then on a regular visit to my psychiatrist I asked that my meds be decreased….He instead prescribed a fifth medication”.

    I can relate to this. It’s psychiatry’s modus operandi.

    “Standing in line at the pharmacy it just hit me that I couldn’t do this anymore…”

    I can relate to this, too.

    I’m so sorry for what you’ve gone through. But thank you for writing this. And I hope you also write a book because I believe someone reading it will be spared what you so aptly refer to as psychiatry’s “iatrogenic hell”. And I think “Madness to Miracles” would be a great title.

    I wish you continued improvements in your overall health and a restoration of a relationship with your children.

  • I’ve often thought the reason so many medical doctors are the way they are (lacking compassion, patient-blaming) is because they’ve had to learn to adapt to (and some would say survive) the uniquely stressful, competitive, and potentially punitive (legally, that is) learning environment of medical school and medical practice. And while medical training is rigorous, and at times even brutal, some would argue this is necessary for weeding out substandard students, meaning when someone’s life is on the line, what’s most important is the patient’s life, and not some over-confident medical student’s swollen ego. Some say it’s the only way to survive the emotionally, academically, (and potentially professionally) cut-throat environment that is medical school. And medical students desensitization and subsequent internalization of seemingly hostile training tactics can result in them eventually (though unconsciously) taking out their long-buried frustrations on their patients. But what many doctors fail to realize is that what they’ve chosen to endure does not give them the right to treat patients with the same disrespect. In other words, they don’t realize that what they’ve chosen to subject themselves to is the opposite of what people have a right to except in their everyday lives, which is courtesy and decency. And though I agree with Alice Miller’s theory that such destructive interpersonal attitudes, dynamics, and behaviors often begin in childhood, it doesn’t excuse such behavior, especially from those trained to help others.

  • Most people, when given half a chance, (which is something most psychiatrists, as well as other therapists, rarely allow people to do), are more than capable of using their own (surprise! surprise!) critical thinking. But by gosh, golly and gee whiz…isn’t it amazing when even MORE problems arise AFTER people start seeing mainstream psychiatrists, (or, can you guess?) even a somewhat less toxic therapist. But the facts are, when people are faced with, and then summarily bulldozed by, mainstream psychiatry, it’s miserable myriad of myths, means and methods result in adding even MORE misery to people’s original problems. And then having to come to grips with the bullshit that is psychiatry is a challenge unlike any other, and something most people wish they’d somehow found a way to avoid. These are some obvious facts seemingly unbeknownst to the author. Maybe she should have spent more time with those who don’t have a vested interest in promoting some variation of mainstream psychiatry’s party line of diagnose, drugs, or some such piddly-doo idea of “psychotherapy”.

  • Johanna says, “I also find it interesting that Charlotte has talked only to “clinicians, academics, writers, scientists and journalists” – to people who have successful careers and who are probably middle class.”

    I found it more than interesting. I found it disheartening and more than a little disturbing.

    Johanna further states, “The most oppressed people know the most about the damage and humiliation caused by psychiatry.”

    And therefore have the most to say, imo. I wonder if Charlotte knows this, or perhaps she harbors an unconscious bias against those with the most hardships, as can sometimes be the case with those fortunate enough to have fewer hardships.

  • I don’t think being a critic has to be so complicated, or controversial, and certainly not contentious. It’s just learning to think for yourself, to not automatically accept what someone says, no matter who says it, especially some “expert”. It’s called having your own opinion. But that can be a problem for some people, especially those who call themselves mainstream psychiatrists, you know, those pesky, hopelessly anal retentive “professionals” who invariably resort to engaging in tightly controlled, diagnostically measured temper tantrums. Just picture them furiously fumbling through their precious DSMs whenever their “patients” dare to have the temerity to voice their own opinions. Which just goes to show that psychiatrists are the very definition of control freaks. But psychiatrists aren’t the only ones; there’s lots of diagnostically demented fruitcakes running around, frantically waving one or another essentially meaningless degree, political persuasion, or any other ideological narrative that suits their purposes, breathlessly proclaiming to have “the answer” to everyone’s problems. But therein lies the problem, and it’s a stubborn one at that, because it’s rooted in the bullshit called psychiatry, and by association, that cesspool some fondly refer to as the “mental health system”. Such believers are fruitcakes, (to say the least, imo), as it has become quite a conundrum for too many people. But most psychiatrists don’t see any problems, (and certainly not in themselves!) because most, as I previously stated, are hopelessly (but happily!) anal retentive in maintaining their psychiatric, and therefore narrow minded, attitudes. To use a crude analogy: most mental health professionals, and psychiatrists in particular, have sticks up their “clinical” asses. But no matter what people decide to call themselves, whether “critic” this, or “anti” that, or, lo and behold, nothing at all, it’s best to avoid those wedded to such a suffocatingly perverse system. Simply put, mainstream psychiatry and its assorted minions are troublemakers who use diagnoses and drugs to do their dirty work, “work” that does little more than confound us all, and ends up actually poisoning way too many, which is why websites like this have come to exist. Because after all, who wants their private pains used to fuel some “expert’s” inflated ego, or worse yet, used as some psychiatrist’s hapless lab rat. Unfortunately, “patients” are used to satisfy these and other selfish ends, namely, their big egos and big pockets to match. So it pays to be skeptical of those with reputations to protect and egos to coddle, egos so big they can’t see beyond themselves, that, more often than not, belong to none other than the “clinical” professionals, researchers, academics, and, believe it or not, even some writers and journalists, most of whom would do well to more than occasionally eat a fair amount of humble pie.

  • Beans says, “Trust in haste, regret at leisure” —

    I wish I’d heard this before I walked into a psychiatrist’s office, or any other “mental health professional” for that matter. It should be printed in big block letters on the doors and websites of all these assorted quacks, ESPECIALLY the m.d.’s.

  • “Ultimately, this type of study takes a massive chaotic mess of data points, and attempts to find a signal in that noise, even when no true signal exists—the technological version of pareidolia” –

    I love the above statement. It describes exactly what mainstream psychiatry is trying to do in yet another effort to be taken seriously. And the last quoted paragraph is a good example of its wilting pseudoscientific word salad:

    “We contend that neuroimaging research in psychiatry, more than ever, needs to embrace theoretical frameworks derived from basic and computational neuroscience.”

    “…more than ever”? Really? But haven’t they heard? Wishful thinking isn’t science, no matter how much they believe in the Tooth Fairy. But apparently no one’s taught them that the human brain-mind-psyche-soul-spirit can’t be reduced to a mathematical equation, no matter how good holding that notion makes them feel about themselves as researchers.

    “This includes addressing how high-dimensional neural activity supports cognition, coupled with formulating testable predictions as to behavioral and symptomatic consequences of disruptions to these processes.”

    Wow…high dimensional neural activity… but wait a minute — haven’t they heard of Pavlov’s despicable dog experiments? To which they’ll undoubtedly respond with something along the lines of, “What we’re doing is much more sophisticated!”. Oh yeah. “Sophisticated”. Well, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again — phrenology’s phrenology, even if it is high tech. Capiche???

    “Arguably, an urgent necessity is to view symptoms through the lens of computational models of cognition, bridging a gap between knowledge articulated at different levels of analysis (from neural to behavioral) and in different species.”

    (Didn’t I just mention Pavlov’s dog experiments?) And as for “urgent necessity” — WHO’S “urgent necessity”? This statement reveals their ever urgent quest to be taken seriously as a medical science. Well good luck with that. Too bad they can’t see statements like this just scream desperation, and how addicted they are to believing in certainty, which, btw, is a telltale sign of their cultish mindset.

    Why don’t these people do themselves and everyone else a favor and just stick to computer science? The next time they get the urge to spout off more of their pseudoscientific nonsense, they oughta to look up the word “pareidolia”. That’ll tell ‘em all they need to know.

  • Robert,
    Thank you for sharing your story.

    My experience is similar to yours in that searching the internet is how I found alternatives to psychiatry’s medical model. And I think it’s beyond unfortunate how misguided most psych practitioners currently are. But I hope stories like yours will soon be the norm.

  • The problems listed in this article aren’t limited to youth or mental health emergency service providers – it’s how much of psychotherapy is conducted. And therapists give it a fancy name: “power imbalance”, which is code for “therapists knows better than the patient/client”, which speaks volumes about what’s going on in many therapists’ heads and why: an unquenchable thirst for ego gratification/grandiosity, an obsessive desire for control and need to be seen as “right” – in other words, to be seen as an “expert”. It’s professionalized psychological abuse.

    And contrary to what most therapists would have people think, the solutions aren’t rocket science, as the above article offers five common sense solutions anyone can learn:

    1. Recognize and accept another’s experience (validation)
    2. Commend them for seeking help (legitimize)
    3. Seeing the person as an individual, not as a problem to be solved (don’t objectify)
    4. See people as capable of helping themselves to the extent they choose (respect their agency)
    5. Let people make their own choices (quit being a know-it-all and telling them what to do)

  • rebel,
    Just so you know, I’m not blaming capitalism for creating psychiatry. But I do think it exploits/perpetuates psychiatry’s worst components: its DSM labels and psych drugs. And this happens because psych drugs are one of the economy’s biggest money-makers. And incidentally, I’m not against capitalism — just lies, coercion and bribery — in other words, corruption — which is the key component of established psychiatry and its ever-faithful cohort, the psych drug industry.

  • Things get even more screwed up if people are made to think something’s wrong WITH THEM. And this is especially true for youngsters who internalize the messages adults give them. And it’s an invasion of privacy to single kids out for something as personal as their feelings, as a group or individually. It just makes them inappropriately self-conscious and targets for teasing/bullying. If you want to help kids, don’t single them out by forcing them to take a course or talk unless they chose to. Just post signs saying private counseling is available.

  • Dear rebel,
    You’ve managed to keep up your most important obligation: the one to yourself, which is very admirable in this day and age when we’re saturated with infantilizing messages from established psychiatry. And you do this with a curious mind and open heart. There’s nothing crazy or old about that.

  • Harper West says, “This labeling is a severe humiliation and a trauma compounded by the damage of the medications. Using a shame-informed case formulation in psychotherapy and ditching the “medical model” will save thousands of lives a year.”

    Severe humiliation and trauma. That’s psychiatry in a nutshell.

    Psych label>trauma>psych drugs>trauma>iatrogenic illness>trauma=ruined lives. And it all starts with a DSM label. Way to go, psychiatry!

  • rebel,
    I agree that the biggest issue with psychiatry is its incessant drugging, and by extension its type of therapy (disease model, DSM, etc.) But the first step is an awareness that there’s viable alternatives to traditional psychiatry, and MIA is that first step for many people. Knowledge is key.

  • Steve says, “In actual point of fact, it is almost always the SUPPRESSION of their own emotions and experience that CAUSES their “mental illness” in the first place!…Other than “surgery” on the brain, it’s hard to think of anything worse that one could do than the label/blame/drug model that the DSM was constructed to encourage and justify.”

    Most “mental illness” is the result of painful, unprocessed emotions that psych drugs suppress. And I think most “professionals” use the DSM as a coping mechanism to avoid facing their own painful memories. It’s a massive cop-out, as DSM stands for Denial, Suppression and Mute.

  • rebel,
    Many people see psychiatry as having way too much power that it does not deserve. And many governments in the western world use psychiatry’s labels to legally decide if people are able to compete in the workplace, thus enabling them to receive disability benefits, which means psychiatry has a great deal of power.

  • rebel says, “…. it’s definitely NOT capitalism that is the problem; but that we are now a technocracy….This is NOT capitalism. This is human weakness.”

    For some, capitalism means a way of doing business, while for others it means exploitation. And capitalism/exploitation has existed in some form since ancient times, (i.e. slave labor, feudalism, etc.) And technology has changed how we live and do business, in good ways and bad. But while methods have changed, motivations/human weakness has not.

  • l_e_cox says, “l don’t know what a pre-capitalist society is supposed to be….Why did we choose business and corporate structures? Why did we agree to it?”

    I think Dr. Moncreiff was referring to pre-industrialized societies. But some form of capitalism has been around since ancient times. And business/corporate structures evolved along with it. And the reasons were/are to maximum profit/create wealth for the owners with wages for workers. Some people see this as a good thing, while others see exploitation. But going back to your question, “Why did we agree to it?” Because people need to eat/survive and others take unfair advantage of that.

  • Wren says, “…years of “trauma-informed care” which dictated to me my wants and needs, rewrote my life experience, destroyed my sense of self, erased my personhood, violated my boundaries,
    replicated my childhood abuse, (and) ultimately (and ironically) left me more traumatised than before.”

    And, “It all could have been avoided if someone had just listened to me, and seen the person behind the trauma.”

    This describes a lot of “therapy”, “trauma-informed” or not:
    1. Dictates wants and needs
    2. Rewrites life experiences
    3. Destroys sense of self
    4. Erases personhood
    5. Violates boundaries
    6. Replicates childhood trauma
    7. Leaves one more traumatized than before

    But “just listening” doesn’t satisfy most therapists’ need to exert power over your life – and it certainly doesn’t pay their bills.

  • AnnaB says, “…I don’t need to re-live any traumatic event without my permission. I don’t need my power taken away from me. And that’s what it feels like when I’m not the one to initiate a conversation about my traumatic experiences.”

    This is why I never recommend seeing anyone in the mental health system. Healing takes time, patience and privacy – not the intrusive, ham-handed “techniques” used by so-called “trauma-informed therapists”. The initial trauma is bad enough, but “therapy” often makes things worse. It’s not much different from what they did before; they’re just using different words to validate themselves at your expense.

  • l_e_cox asks, “…what drove us here?”

    Reading the MIA article “The Functions of the Mental Health System Under Capitalism” by Joanna Moncreiff MD explains a lot.

    “Whereas in pre-capitalist societies most people could do some useful work in the community, in the capitalist system labour only has economic value if it attains levels of productivity sufficient to generate profit for the capitalist……The organization of production under capitalism generates many of the problems we call mental disorders…..much of the current mental illness epidemic (that) is so closely linked to financial insecurity, debt, lack of housing, loneliness, fear or feelings of failure and lack of purpose.”

    “Insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.”
    – Thomas Stephen Szasz

  • rebel says, “…most humans face…the vulnerability to suggestion. We are all naturally gullible…The most manipulative of psychiatrists and therapists take advantage of this…there are those who do it unknowingly, too.”

    Yes, we are all naturally gullible. And “psych professionals” are among the most gullible, as most have no idea they’ve been subliminally seduced by their training, as their desire to be seen as “the expert” influences most “psych professionals” in ways they’re loathe to admit, which makes it a question of character.

    Steve says, “…the DSM enables the “professionals” to blame the “clients” for their own (the professionals’) discomfort with the helping process…the very WORST thing…is to put the client at a distance by providing a label…to call his/her experience “symptoms” caused by a faulty brain that needs to be suppressed!”

    And this is why the “mental health industry” has no claim to integrity, which is also a question of character.

  • I totally agree that most of what’s classified as “crazy” in the DSM are coping mechanisms that are no longer helpful. And I also think most psych professionals unconsciously use the DSM as their own coping mechanism to avoid facing their own unresolved conflicts.