A part of the lecture that really made me think was what the historian tells about the criteria, made by the ‘medical experts’ for who was allowed to live and who not. He tells the only criteria that stood out statistically was: ‘the ability to perform constructive work’.
Really made me think. I saw the lecture while i was unemployed and meeting all sorts of well meaning system-people treating me as an object they had to get rid of.
Thank you for bringing this connection into the discourse. And also for mentioning the ‘work’ of Dr. Ewen Cameron, i remember hearing about him and a lot of other top gun doctors in a lecture by Colin A. Ross, though Ross is more focused on the military aspect of the the whole affair and talks about some of the weird programs MKULTRA and ARTICHOKE and so on…
I also wanted to share a link to a lecture by a historian. Its about a specific area of the german T4 program as ‘durchgefürht’ at the hospital of Maria Gugging in Austria. ‘IST Commemoration Lecture: “Nazi Medical Crimes at the Psychiatric Hospital Gugging” by Herwig Czech’.
Been a year since i saw it, but i remember it as very well made and informative:
The interview with you on Poetdox channel is very good
The absurdity of the experiences you describe from the psychoeducation program in the video really made my day. I know it is actually very sad, but the absurdity was just comical…
This episode got me into reading the divided self among other of Laings texts. Really appreciate it!
I would like to ask you, if you can do another radioshow about Laing, and maybe dig a little deeper into his work. thank you
Thank you James and Mad in America.
Your Podcasts is of very high quality and i really appreciate your collected efforts in keeping the flame burning.
I am very gratefull of your work!
Thank you streetphotobeing.
It seems like something straight from a horror movie. It must really be devestating to be treated like that.
On the word of Christianity i came to think about a quote from danish philosopher K.E.Løgstrups ‘The ethical demand’.
In the initiation he quotes a german theologian, Friedrich Gogarten, for his characteristic of Jesu preaching.
‘Friedrich Gogarten characterizes the proclamation of Jesus concisely but with precision when he says that according to this proclamation the individual’s relation to God is determined wholly at the point of his relation to the neighbor.’
he continues, ‘This characterization sets the proclamation of Jesus in illuminating contrast with all other religions. In contrast to the general and vague conceptation of religion – and of Christianity as a religion – this characterization of the proclamation of Jesus sets Christianity apart from all other religions. Without pursuing this matter further, I would simply make use of Gogarten’s characterization for posing the question at issue in our present context: What must my relation to the neighbor be if that relation is the one and only place at which my relation to God is determined? What must the man-to-man relationship involve if it is so closely tied in with the relation to God?’
Hi Streetphotobeing
I am not a native english speaker, therefore its a little difficult for me to understand what is going on in the videoes.
I would be glad if you can descibe what is going on in your 1. video?
And can you give a resumé of what is going on in the next two videoes?
Adding a few of your own words as to what is going on might make the documentation more easy to understand for people like me 🙂
Thanks in advance. And thank you for your upload.
Thank you Mad in America. I really appreciate these updates on various items of interest in the news. You are truly agreat source of knowledge and inspiration!
Greetings from Denmark
For the english speaking i just want to direct you to the psychiatric drugs withdrawal seminar from Copenhagen 2017 where Bertel is one of the speakers.
Godt Danmark har en som dig. Jeg har set dit oplæg fra København 2017 fra udtrapningskonferencen arrangeret af PG.
Virkelig et godt og præcist indlæg. Jeg har dyb respekt for din store viden og dit arbejde!
Here is a very good lecture on the Nazi Medical Crimes at the Psychiatric Hospital Gugging
It will cover some of the same issues as in Michael Von Cranach interview. – Thank you for that!
‘On November 25, 2014, the historian Herwig Czech gave the first IST Commemoration Lecture titled “Nazi Medical Crimes at the Psychiatric Hospital Gugging: Historical Context, Facts, and Legacy.” It was the intention of this new series of lectures in English to introduce the members of the Institute and the public to the past of the IST Austria campus and, in a broader sense, to aspects of the history of science requiring remembrance and reflection. This first IST Commemoration Lecture was presented by the Chair of the Executive Committee of the Board of Trustees, Haim Harari.’
I forgot to mention:
A part of the lecture that really made me think was what the historian tells about the criteria, made by the ‘medical experts’ for who was allowed to live and who not. He tells the only criteria that stood out statistically was: ‘the ability to perform constructive work’.
Really made me think. I saw the lecture while i was unemployed and meeting all sorts of well meaning system-people treating me as an object they had to get rid of.
Thank you for bringing this connection into the discourse. And also for mentioning the ‘work’ of Dr. Ewen Cameron, i remember hearing about him and a lot of other top gun doctors in a lecture by Colin A. Ross, though Ross is more focused on the military aspect of the the whole affair and talks about some of the weird programs MKULTRA and ARTICHOKE and so on…
I also wanted to share a link to a lecture by a historian. Its about a specific area of the german T4 program as ‘durchgefürht’ at the hospital of Maria Gugging in Austria. ‘IST Commemoration Lecture: “Nazi Medical Crimes at the Psychiatric Hospital Gugging” by Herwig Czech’.
Been a year since i saw it, but i remember it as very well made and informative:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPxXE-1klkQ
Maybe listen to some Bach afterwards to clear your mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh4v8Oiz9pQ
https://youtu.be/dA9-PDGrZ_0?t=30
Hi Niels
The interview with you on Poetdox channel is very good
The absurdity of the experiences you describe from the psychoeducation program in the video really made my day. I know it is actually very sad, but the absurdity was just comical…
Jeg er i øvrigt også fra DK
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Here’s the link for anyone else:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ywKLofOYLQ
Hi Will
Thank you for this radioshow.
This episode got me into reading the divided self among other of Laings texts. Really appreciate it!
I would like to ask you, if you can do another radioshow about Laing, and maybe dig a little deeper into his work. thank you
Thank you James and Mad in America.
Your Podcasts is of very high quality and i really appreciate your collected efforts in keeping the flame burning.
I am very gratefull of your work!
Thank you streetphotobeing.
It seems like something straight from a horror movie. It must really be devestating to be treated like that.
On the word of Christianity i came to think about a quote from danish philosopher K.E.Løgstrups ‘The ethical demand’.
In the initiation he quotes a german theologian, Friedrich Gogarten, for his characteristic of Jesu preaching.
‘Friedrich Gogarten characterizes the proclamation of Jesus concisely but with precision when he says that according to this proclamation the individual’s relation to God is determined wholly at the point of his relation to the neighbor.’
he continues, ‘This characterization sets the proclamation of Jesus in illuminating contrast with all other religions. In contrast to the general and vague conceptation of religion – and of Christianity as a religion – this characterization of the proclamation of Jesus sets Christianity apart from all other religions. Without pursuing this matter further, I would simply make use of Gogarten’s characterization for posing the question at issue in our present context: What must my relation to the neighbor be if that relation is the one and only place at which my relation to God is determined? What must the man-to-man relationship involve if it is so closely tied in with the relation to God?’
Hi Streetphotobeing
I am not a native english speaker, therefore its a little difficult for me to understand what is going on in the videoes.
I would be glad if you can descibe what is going on in your 1. video?
And can you give a resumé of what is going on in the next two videoes?
Adding a few of your own words as to what is going on might make the documentation more easy to understand for people like me 🙂
Thanks in advance. And thank you for your upload.
Thank you Mad in America. I really appreciate these updates on various items of interest in the news. You are truly agreat source of knowledge and inspiration!
Greetings from Denmark
For the english speaking i just want to direct you to the psychiatric drugs withdrawal seminar from Copenhagen 2017 where Bertel is one of the speakers.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJaBo0hW2s0CHL1LZZvmLxzrQ2nTsm04i
Tak Bertel!
Godt Danmark har en som dig. Jeg har set dit oplæg fra København 2017 fra udtrapningskonferencen arrangeret af PG.
Virkelig et godt og præcist indlæg. Jeg har dyb respekt for din store viden og dit arbejde!
Here is a very good lecture on the Nazi Medical Crimes at the Psychiatric Hospital Gugging
It will cover some of the same issues as in Michael Von Cranach interview. – Thank you for that!
‘On November 25, 2014, the historian Herwig Czech gave the first IST Commemoration Lecture titled “Nazi Medical Crimes at the Psychiatric Hospital Gugging: Historical Context, Facts, and Legacy.” It was the intention of this new series of lectures in English to introduce the members of the Institute and the public to the past of the IST Austria campus and, in a broader sense, to aspects of the history of science requiring remembrance and reflection. This first IST Commemoration Lecture was presented by the Chair of the Executive Committee of the Board of Trustees, Haim Harari.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPxXE-1klkQ
Hi friends
In Denmark there is very little focus on withdrawal from psychotropic drugs, atleast from what i have learned.
There are some people very detirmined to change that.
Here is a lecture on withdrawal from a seminar held in Copenhagen in 2017.
Check it out, great speakers – some of them with personal experiences. Also a great production of video with slides from the presentation.
Organized by Peter Gøtzsche and others
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJaBo0hW2s0CHL1LZZvmLxzrQ2nTsm04i