Wednesday, January 22, 2020

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  • Hi Nancy, So glad that you have found the same help and validation I did on this site. There was so much on here, including the blogs, personal stories and other commenters that helped me to process my ordeal. I was struggling with the trauma and resulting nightmare of seeing a psychiatrist for help with insomnia. (sent to the psychiatrist by docs administering cancer treatments) I believed/trusted a psychiatrist was in the profession for the purpose of helping and supporting people in difficult circumstances and could not wrap my brain around what was done to me by a cold and very dishonest psychiatrist. I thought I was alone and my story would be too hard for anyone to believe – until the day in mid 2018 when I found the MIA site. It was SO validating and really a lifesaver to realize I was not alone and there was a battle raging against the damaging façade psychiatry is. I will always be immensely grateful to Robert Whitaker for his incredible work, integrity and perseverance in educating people, exposing the harm and saving lives.

  • Thank you Robert for your ongoing vigilance to investigate and report on drug studies that are clearly skewed, or as you put it well in Anatomy of an Epidemic “biased by design”. (an incredibly informative book) The JAMA article states this drug approval is “potentially exciting” – yes exciting for those who stand to make big profits from having a new drug with a patent as opposed to older generic drugs. Only those deemed to respond well were selected and – 70% of the people in the study were prescribed lorazepam – when adding another drug that combats agitation, anxiety and symptoms of debilitating EPS certainly skews the results. Everything about this study smells bigtime. Thank you for this excellent investigative report, and the MIA website and all you do to educate people and help save lives.

  • Sam, so many of your comments are spot on!
    “An uncanny ability to see pain, but not let it affect, nor do anything about it”.
    That certainly describes the psychiatrist I saw for insomnia while in cancer treatment! I sat there pale, emaciated, dizzy and bald from chemo and she sat with perfectly coiffed hair, dressed to the nines, matching shoes and purse and with a stone-cold face, totally uninterested and oblivious to my challenging situation. She had been in practice less than a year, her father and sister are lawyers and I would bet she had not suffered a day in her life so was totally clueless to any suffering of any kind.

  • Sarah, I appreciate the candor and authenticity in your writing. The harmful façade of psychiatry is still such a shocking realization for me because of my long held belief (brainwashing) that psychiatry was about “helping” people get through difficult life circumstances. I used to be a positive, hopeful person but learning the truth about psychiatry and of how many have been harmed and devastated by it, has been very demoralizing.

    “The problem of the modern world for me is not so much the stress of having a present threat to survival. It is a continual uncertainty about future survival given the conditions of life as I have come to know and experience them.”

    Yes I can relate as that is how I have felt since my encounter with a psychiatrist.
    Thanks again for this truth-speaking unvarnished essay. I look forward to your upcoming blogs.

  • A great piece as always Sera! I thought the woman who tried to take back everyone else’s apology was pretty bad until I read how the fellow was “unable to talk openly about suicide to the Suicide Prevention Coalition because it “triggered” them too much.”

    Wow, that takes the cake! How do you spell H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.S.Y. !

    It’s appalling “people purportedly so invested in “helping” professions would respond with withdrawal and denial when people are saying they were hurt” (as per the standard operating mode for psychiatry)
    And you put it well in that…. “The absence of ‘sorry’ is epidemic”.
    And never saying sorry lets someone carry on with their image/façade of perfection or always being right. Ugh!!

    As for “Love Means Never Having To Say You are Sorry”, my interpretation is if you follow the golden rule of “Do onto to others as you wish done onto you” you probably won’t need to apologize very often.

    Thanks and Happy New Year Sera!

  • Good points Sam…”Is psychiatry saying they NEVER suffer?” Yes I often wonder about that, are they somehow impervious to traumas and adversities??

    To quote Dr. Breggin’s wisdom and benevolence ““In therapy, I often share my personal experiences to make clear that we are all much alike in both misery and recovery.”

    But unfortunately most psychiatrists are NOT interested in understanding or helping but instead are intent on passing judgement on someone for feeling/acting the same way they would if they faced similar circumstances.

  • Thanks Dr. Breggin for your words of wisdom, kindness and genuine advocacy for those who must deal with adversities.

    “In therapy, I often share my personal experiences to make clear that we are all much alike in both misery and recovery.”

    Yes, so very true, and unfortunately that truth, insight and humility is severely lacking in psychiatry and is at the core of why psychiatry ends up being so harmful.

    Thanks for everything you do. Wishing you and Ginger good health and much happiness in 2020!

  • Rachel, it was a blog by Robert Whitaker. It involved a couple threads and got stressful having to defend my suggestion to donate to MIA. I would give links to the comments but it’s best not to stir that pot again.

  • I was very shocked and sad to hear of Dr. Bonnie Burstow’s sudden passing. What a huge loss for all who face oppression and all who are fighting the oppressive, harmful establishment of psychiatry. Thank you Don for this beautiful memorial essay and for detailing the enormous amount of tireless work Dr. Burstow accomplished even while coping with her multiple physical illnesses.

    What makes this crusade for justice so difficult is exactly as you stated Don, “Mainstream reporters and editors have been co-opted by the psychiatric establishment and its shock doctors”.
    Surely there must be reporters and editors out there with enough integrity and courage to step up and bring these dire matters into the mainstream and honour Dr. Burstow’s selfless work.

    Thank you Dr. Burstow for everything you have done. Bravo for fighting such a valiant battle on behalf of humanity. RIP Dr. Burstow, your legacy will live on.

  • Thank you Dr. Gotzsche and Sandra Toft for sharing this inspiring story of recovery from the clutches of toxic psych drugs. So glad Sandra persevered through withdrawal and is now living a meaningful life and is passionate about helping others survive psychiatry’s labels and toxic drugs.

    Thanks for all you do Dr. Gotzche in exposing the devastating harm being done to so many by psychiatry. Best wishes on setting up the Institute for Scientific Freedom – your integrity and voice is desperately needed in this world!

  • Hi Melissa, who would have thought a gesture of good will would end up so misconstrued. Isn’t there an old saying… “No good deed goes unpunished”. Seriously I am glad you are staying positive as your heart is in the right place and this world needs more kind people like you! Sometimes we are not always privy to ‘all’ the reasons/details of why someone holds a different viewpoint. I can relate as a while ago when I realized how helpful MIA is to so many I encouraged people to pass the link and donate whatever they can to keep the site going, but my encouragement to support MIA was criticized by another commenter and actually linked to “social abuse”.

    Let’s all strive to see the damaging reign of psychiatry toppled. Thanks for getting involved! There is strength in numbers and also the power of one. Best wishes to you.

  • Thank you for writing this blog Dr. Caplan to highlight the dire situation of struggling families and children who end up in foster care. I hope the amendments are approved and more financial help is made available to give these children a fighting chance at life. Thanks for the links to the series in the Kansas City Star.

  • Thank you Miranda for this compelling interview. Wow, this craziness is staggering! It was bad enough there are 5 main adverse events reported but the additional ones Dr. Cornwall noted are very scary, such as “rapid heartbeat”. I just finished reading Anatomy of an Epidemic and realize what a courageous man Dr. Breggin is to have bravely gone against mainstream psychiatry.

    A HUGE thanks to Dr. Breggin and Dr. Cornwall for continually investigating and speaking out to protect people and especially young children from these alarming practices so carelessly foisted upon children. Please keep up the excellent work and God bless you both!!

  • I agree Kindredspirit, I witnessed something similar play out in my mothers death. Rather than investigate what appeared to be an intestinal blockage (in an otherwise very healthy elderly woman) the doctors (along with a deviously inclined family member) decided – unbeknownst to me – it was “time for her to go”. She was a strong, resilient woman and had told me she didn’t want to die. But they stopped all nourishment and soon began to heavily sedate her. After 2 1/2 weeks it was obvious she was fighting to stay alive so one morning they pulled her hydration line apparently to speed things up. I had arrived to sit at her bedside again that night and could not get a straight answer why she no longer had a hydration line. As I sat next to her bed she began to make horrible gasping sounds at 10 pm. I called for a nurse and when she came she told me to tell my mom “it was okay to go”. Knowing how feisty she was and that she wanted to live made it very traumatic to watch her die a very painful death being so dehydrated her tongue hung out like a dog that died in the desert.

    MAID (medical assistance in dying) has a double standard. It seems to be more about what is best for the professionals (or devious family members) rather than for the patient.

  • Thank you Robert for sharing and honoring Zel’s tragic story with so much respect and compassion. Zel’s story is yet another tragic example of how degrading and dehumanizing psychiatry is for so many. As Zel said “I didn’t want to die but based on how I feel physically . . . I can’t live”. After my encounter with psychiatry I can totally relate to that, not wanting to die but needing the suffering and torment to end. In reality Zel didn’t end his life – psychiatry did.

    Thank you for all the exhausting and astounding work you have done and continue to do on behalf of the millions who have been harmed and damaged and have no voice. May Zel find the comfort and peace he deserves in the next phase of life. RIP Zel.

  • Thank you Dr. Read and your colleagues for speaking out as too many professionals stay quiet and go along with all the corruption out of self serving “interests”. A psychiatrist I was sent to when I developed insomnia from chemo (and who had been practicing < 1 year) thoroughly mocked me in electronic records for having "side effects" to her psych drugs (including Seroquel, mirtazapine, clonazepam duloxetine, temazepam, etc) Now that it is known just how harmful these psych drugs are her Bio states she now "has an interest in use of ketamine for treatment resistant depression (TRD)" and "has supervised resident research on use of intravenous and intranasal ketamine for TRD." And she now "sits on the University of Alberta Psychiatry Residency Program Committee and is actively involved in clinical teaching to residents and medical students."

    How scary is that!?

  • Thanks Sarah for another good article.
    As humans we all deal with two common denominators you noted:
    “The normal stressors that everyone has to deal with”.
    “The normal stress response that everyone is born with”.

    I remember thinking how ridiculous the popular song/slogan “Don’t worry, Be happy” was 30 years ago. Can there be anyone walking around these days without at least a moderate degree of stress/anxiety about the planet, natural disasters, wars, poverty, crime and overwhelming corruption – especially the insidious corruption carried out by so-called health care professionals.

  • “These lists in medical terminology are described as symptoms. In reality, all of the symptoms are also experienced by people who are not described as mentally ill and for whom the impact on their lives may be temporary or unproblematic.”

    “A lot of diagnoses are in fact moral judgements reflecting changes to societal values and preoccupations rather than scientific progress.“

    Yes this guide speaks to the totally harmful nonsense of psychiatry and their devious labels. How much longer can these unethical quacks get to spew their nonsense!?

  • Kudos Birgit! I greatly appreciate every professional who speaks out against the current harmful medical model of psychiatry and I thank you for all your work in setting up Mad in Norway.

    “We need a clear change in the law that acknowledges a humanistic approach to mental health problems, that is not based on diagnoses.”
    Yes, this is SO important because the root of all harm starts with a psych label.

    “No professional group should have power over others to define people’s struggles and what constitutes good help”.
    How crazy that a psychiatrist gets to define someone’s reality when the psychiatrist don’t know anything about them or what has happened to them, etc. – and worse DOESN’T even want to know.

    Thank you and best of wishes going forward with Mad in Norway.

  • This is an outstanding report Derek driving home how deadly the medical model of drugs and labels are to veterans and the general population. As always in psychiatry the real causes of a person’s difficulties or distress etc are ignored and instead drugs and labels are pushed as happened to you with the label of “ADHD” and later the effects of the drug “finasteride”.

    As you say, your story is not the exception, it is the rule and “The VA is a reflection of the “best practices” in the private sector.”

    Yes, we all unfortunately trusted doctors, the system and government and found out the hard way how misplaced that trust was. It is stomach-turning to hear the media and other sources encouraging people to seek “help” in the mental health system when it is that very “help” that breaks people and drives them further into despair.

    I commend you for your diligence, commitment and all your work and involvement in the ongoing fight to stop this harm and help save lives. Keep up the good work!

  • Yes I remain hopeful Dr. T. N. will be an ally.
    Btw, Anomie thanks for the link to the NY times article “The Largest Health Disparity” on how doctors dismiss physical health problems of those with psych labels and that this form of discrimination has actually been given the name of “diagnostic overshadowing”.

  • Thanks Dr. McLaren speaking out with such honesty and candor! The façade of psychiatry is desperately trying to conceal their rotten and crumbling core. Much gratitude for your work and your voice. Your submission is very thorough. This is some of what stood out for me:

    “My experience over nearly half a century is that reminding psychiatrists of their error provokes the most bitter hostility. They go to quite extreme lengths to prevent any criticism becoming public.”

    ……And this deletion is VERY telling (would have loved to read it!)

    “ (e) Corruption in psychiatry. “
    “Deleted on legal advice, specifically “risk of action for defamation”.

  • Dr T. N.,
    The problem is they are not “medications” they are toxic drugs. Any relief they might give is VERY short lived. The harm and physical addiction lasts a very long time and is often permanent. My brother died on psych drugs and other people I know find it impossible to get off these drugs even though the drugs quit helping them long ago. It is not ethical to sacrifice the majority for what appears to be a small minority who may actually want these toxic drugs.

    Further, putting stigmatizing psych labels on someone experiencing expected or understandable distress from some trauma or adverse life events is psychiatry’s ‘calling card’ and as Dr. Paula Caplan states – “Psychiatric Diagnosis is the First Cause of Everything Bad in the Mental Health System”.

    I don’t know how anyone could deny the evidence presented so clearly in Anatomy of an Epidemic and also Dr. Breggin and his vast knowledge (and very many other professionals) :

  • Fiachra, wow, I did not know that psych drugs can cause eye damage too!

    As if not disgusting enough that psychiatry puts spurious, unfounded labels on people but they also leave out any truth or facts and resort to writing lies. The shrink I saw during cancer treatment did not make one note about what I explained to her was going on with treatments and side effects etc.

  • Thanks Leah for a great report.
    That last copy/paste tweet says it all…. “Bad mental health policy is, regrettably, a bipartisan enterprise”.

    Reminds me of an illustration I recently saw of cattle being herded into two chutes, one marked for the “Left” and one for the “Right”. But then all the cattle from both chutes were herded into the same doorway marked “Slaughterhouse”.

  • Thanks Susan Rogers and Torpid for the links to Julie’s work. After listening to Julie on Dr. Breggin I went to her new website and clicked on her U tube videos. Wow, Julie had great enthusiasm and a real gift to make her presentation and information interesting and compelling. (In this video I love her humour about the man she visited in the United Kingdom).
    Very sad there will be no more charismatic Julie videos.

  • Oh, maybe I misinterpreted that…Traditional psychiatry diagnoses without asking or caring about problems or circumstances someone is facing and it seemed this Center wanted to avoid that….

    It was this information that made me think they did not “diagnose” :

    “He and Liudalen have thought about turning Hurdalsjøen into a public hospital, but doing so would require operating within a stricter set of guidelines than they do now as a private one. For instance, they would have to give patients a diagnosis in order to be in accord with that public system, yet that is NOT something they want to do.”

  • Thanks for this uplifting report Robert. Beautifully written and wow, what beautiful people these are to have set up a truly helpful center and another drug-free ward. Kudos to them, especially Ole Andreas Underland, as well as Tom Liudalen, Mohammed Usaf and the Fellesaksjonen leaders. I must send this report to a few mental health authorities in our country.

    It is incomprehensible the public system and traditional psychiatrists are so opposed to referring patients to this Center but it’s no surprise. It speaks to the underlying truth that psychiatry is not about a patient’s best interests, human rights or autonomy. I am so glad they oppose giving patients a diagnosis in order to work within the public system.
    These sentences stood out to me:

    “We wanted a more holistic, human way of meeting people, where you ask people what their problems are, instead of just diagnosing people.”
    “And another thing that causes such problems is the journals, what the staff writes about the patients and then the patients read all of the bad things written about them. We wanted the journals to be made together with the patients.”

    So no harmful labels, no forced drugging and no character assassinations for people already downtrodden and traumatized! How totally refreshing and helpful!! Thanks for all your time and effort going to Norway and producing this excellent report.

  • Dr. T.N., This appears to be your first blog on MIA and it’s encouraging to me when any “mental health” professional, especially a psychiatrist, is willing to acknowledge the iatrogenic harm of psych labels and “treatments”.

    You stated ““By having de-contextualised checklist diagnoses, the boundaries have loosened appreciably”.

    Yes, it’s absurd there is no scientific basis for any DSM disorder and too bizarre to believe that no causation, nor context is considered before sticking harmful, life-long labels on someone. (likely someone experiencing difficult life circumstances beyond their control and/or facing a temporary state of distress)

    Many people do not choose to cross the threshold to enter the casino, often it is involuntarily. If someone does voluntarily cross the threshold it is unfortunately due to misplaced trust and total unawareness of the harm that awaits them. I appreciate the issues you have validated in this blog however I agree with Anomie there are still a few problems with what is presented. I am hopeful your viewpoints will continue to evolve.

  • I am very sorry to hear of Julie’s death. She was a passionate activist and advocate who was never afraid to tell her story and speak out. Even coping with her own serious kidney issues from harmful psych drugs she was still recently advising other commenters on the damaging effects of lithium. It’s very unfortunate Julie did not get to finish her manuscript. She will surely be missed. RIP Julie.

  • Oldhead, looks like a great book. To quote further from the Amazon preview:

    “Andreas Moritz, proves the point that cancer is the physical symptom reflecting our body’s final attempt to eliminate specific life-destructive causes”. AND…..”Cancer is not an attempt on your life; to the contrary, cancer is trying to save it”.


    When anyone is given a cancer diagnosis they face enormous pressure and fear-mongering from cancer doctors. People are caught off guard by a cancer diagnosis and need time to reflect on what is best for them but are rushed into conventional treatments. When it appears someone’s life is on the line it is VERY hard to know what to do. We can give people information and support them but ultimately we must respect their choices.

  • That is really disturbing to hear Oldhead. In many cases it IS the toxic “treatments” that cause a person’s death. I know several people who completed all the “treatments”, were told everything was A-Ok only to have the cancer come roaring back stronger than ever within a year or so and spread quickly. It is well known this occurs for a number of reasons (i.e. the immune system has been damaged, “treatments” kill the cancer (sometimes) but not the cancer stem cells and this allows the stem cells to regroup and become stronger and smarter when they do come roaring back) but oncologists and cancer treatments are also BIG business for profit just like psychiatrists and psych drugs are.

    People need to know there are other ways to heal the body from cancer without destroying your body with damaging “treatments”. Marianne Williamson’s recent proposal for healthcare is spot on:

    “In my Whole Health Plan, anytime someone is diagnosed it’s mandated that the patient receive info on suggested diet/lifestyle/natural remedies as well as pharmaceutical/surgical. Plus insurance pays for either!”

  • Since finding MIA I always found Stephen’s postings to be very compelling and authentic. It was clear he was a man of integrity and compassion and certainly was a warrior working behind enemy lines. I am sad to hear this kind soul endured the ravages of cancer treatment and has passed away. RIP Stephen, your kind and compelling voice will be greatly missed.

  • Hi Chaya,
    It was a great interview with Jesse. Thanks for your good work and for sharing all your wisdom and understanding with others snared by the same trap of psych drugs. Jesse also provides very helpful information regarding self- care. I will have to check out the book he mentioned “The Mood Cure” and I think he mentioned Holy Basil for sleep. I also liked what he said about “not to look for oranges at the hardware store”. Very true!

    I agree with KindredSpirit though about not accepting labels or disorders. I always strived to remain positive through adversities and it wasn’t until I discovered harmful psych labels put on my records (during cancer treatment) that I sunk to a dark place for the very first time. It was unequivocally a delusional psychiatrist and her labelling that drove me there. As such I cannot understand how identifying with any psych label helps to recover from distress, trauma, burnout, sleep deprivation, poverty, etc. I also agree Chaya “how well you function in capitalism” does not determine if you have a disorder or not, and those appearing to have it all together or be “high functioning” are probably “barely hanging on”.

    I opened a twitter account a few years ago but was not (somewhat) active until recently. It can be a source of information and a good way for psych survivors to connect and keep spreading the message.

  • Tim thanks for a VERY enlightening article and for the wonderful work you do by truly listening and validating people and their experiences! I am sorry to hear you were harmed by psychiatry. Until I was sent to a psychiatrist while in cancer treatment (told it was for “help with sleep meds” because chemo and steroids caused insomnia) I didn’t know psychiatry is ALL about suppressing a person’s experiences and reality. (not every psychiatrist, but clearly the majority). In their minds nothing that happened to a person, or is happening to them, matters at all. The power shrinks wield is very scary. The shrink I saw in cancer treatment tried to get me put on the psych ward but I refused. Since she had no grounds whatsoever she could not force me but my refusal made her very angry and she retaliated and did a ton of harm by plastering labels and false, denigrating statements all over my electronic records for all other healthcare workers to read. These false records have brought great harm whenever I need medical services (other than what my family doctor can provide) and after providing overwhelming evidence from my long time doctors (and legal evidence) proving her statements and labels are absurd I discovered a psychiatrist answers to no one. Psychiatrists are simply allowed to publish blatant, utterly false character assassinations of innocent people with impunity. The harm they do is endless.

    Thank you for speaking out Tim and I wish you all the best in your job hunt as people like you are desperately needed in the system!

  • Yes Sam you’re right about electronic records in Canada. The system is ‘Netcare’ in the provinces but I saw on the news it’s now switching to an upgraded system called ‘Connect Care’. The Chief Medical Information Officer stated this “We are making sure the patient’s story remains intact and unbroken so everywhere they go all health care providers are on their story, which is 19,000 front line medical staff and includes, doctors, mental health and addictions, labs, pharmacists etc”.
    I believe the ultimate goal is to have patient records be not just province wide but country wide.

  • Thanks for sharing your story Francesca. It is very painful to realize how many people become trapped in the clutches of psychiatry and endlessly suffer from inhumane labels and treatment. In every personal story it’s evident anyone who sees a psychiatrist, especially if the psych drugs don’t magically transform their life, current hardships or situation, will likely get the same descriptions, aka accusations, written about them, such as “lacks insight”, “treatment resistant”, etc. In the world of psychiatry it is as though people are all clones or duplicates and the same descriptions apply to everyone! It is so stupid it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so blatantly damaging to so many innocent people. It is stomach turning to read how you must pacify these people and tell them what they want to hear and unfortunately this is the sickening truth. I am in Canada and had not known how crazy psychiatry was until I saw an arrogant psychiatrist for insomnia while in cancer treatment. She was very young (had just graduated and began practicing) but was already cold, calculated and deceptive. Unfortunately it is just as bad in Canada as it is in the US and many other countries. Thanks for adding your voice on MIA, and thank God for MIA!! We must all keep speaking out and fighting this corruption and destruction of innocent lives. Stay strong, keep speaking out. I am wishing you all the best Francesca.

  • Thanks Zenobia for presenting this information. I give the researchers credit for looking at all sources, including MIA. It appears there is far more groups that oppose the DSM than support it. Likely the only groups that support it are psychiatrists (and not even all psychiatrists do) and the people put into the horrible position aka “necessary evil” of having to accept a damaging psych label in order to get insurance coverage (which can then lead to forced and damaging treatment). All of this harm happens because these foolish pseudoscientific constructs known as ‘labels’ come to exist because they are ‘voted in’, in similar fashion to a flavor of the week, in this case the bitter flavour of the DSM.

  • Right Steve, Dr-Reid-Plz and every professional who pushes psych drugs MUST read Anatomy of an Epidemic!!

    As far as the “nuances of psychiatric care” it’s not remotely scientific in any way!! Rather this alleged “care” is very simple-minded, irresponsible and harmful!

    As a cancer patient sent to a psychiatrist for help with chemo and steroid induced insomnia the only “nuances of psychiatric care” I experienced are: lies, bullying, arrogance, deceit, blaming, judging, pushing pills, mocking you for side effects of psych pills and labelling damaging effects of toxic chemo as a “Somatization Disorder”.

  • Thank you Lindsay for sharing your story and OMG what an ordeal you have been through!!

    I commend you for your service and dedication in uniform, including over 400 hours of volunteer work. I was stunned to hear of the shoddy medical care you received and how you ended up having to endure 7 surgeries with still more to come. On top of that while you are in immense pain and trying to recover you were made to feel like you were malingering. That is really appalling! I really wish you all the best with the upcoming surgeries and can’t help but wonder if they will be removing the 9 ½ inch metal rod. In any case I hope the surgeries are a success and you will finally have some pain relief.

    Adding to the calamity is psychiatry – as you put it so well “Throws pills at everything rather than deal with what’s going on”. And of course psychiatrists never inform or advise the person of the horrible effects. Or as I learned, will chastise your for reporting effects or dismiss you as imagining them. Derek, I was very happy to hear you note there is a piece of legislation to move the requirement for consent from oral to signatory. I hope that passes and soon.

    And lastly I really commend you Lindsay for starting the Minority Veterans of America to help others in the minority community and to try reduce the tragic suicide epidemic. Wow, much praise and respect for your strength, resilience and compassion for others. Best of wishes and keep up the great work!

  • Sam I think it is great what you are doing and have done for your wife but I don’t understand your negative comment here at all. That is precisely what Robert and MIA is all about, making an immense effort to call for changes that will actually support and help people to “help” those in distress, altered states etc as currently there is no other place than psychiatry to turn to in an emergency or try get what would be considered real “help”.

    I wish people would be more appreciative of the immense work that Robert has been so dedicated to.

  • To Robert and all MIA staff,

    As Richard Lewis noted, MIA is a powerful force and has many accomplishments to celebrate! Congratulations and thank you to all the staff at MIA for your dedication to this profoundly vital mission!

    A huge thank-you and much gratitude to Robert Whitaker for starting and staying with this challenging humanitarian mission. This mission is extremely helpful and validating to those harmed by psychiatry and is helping to save children from falling prey to the same fate. It is also an acknowledgement of those who lost their lives tragically due to the harmful narratives and protocols of psychiatry. In my eyes Robert is truly the epitome of a hero and deserving of a humanitarian award!

    I regularly read the Psychiatric Times and Lancet Psychiatry and am heartened to see the tone and narrative is changing there and in other venues as well. MIA played a huge role and surely is the most impactful and “prominent broadcaster” of that collective effort.

    As Robert noted…“Thus, I think our mission at MIA is two-fold. One is to help usher out the false narrative, and the second is to help usher in a new one.”

    Yes, I think it is great to now expand the MIA mission past “re-thinking” psychiatry. Until I tangled with a psychiatrist while in cancer treatment I was unaware of how utterly pathetic and damaging the narrative and protocols of psychiatry was. Psychiatry definitely needs to go. We need an entirely different concept to actually “help” instead of punish humans when they face crises or get overwhelmed by the many challenging stressors we all face at one time or another in life.

    This huge MIA mission certainly needs funds to operate and I hope anyone who can make a donation of any amount will do so. I donate every second month and also plan to do as Richard noted by adding extra at year-end to help keep the MIA mission going. As well let’s all keep spreading the word and the link to the MIA website to keep growing this mission.

    As a side note, I am on chapter nine of Anatomy of an Epidemic and it is mind-blowing information. This book should be required reading for every doctor and “mental health” professional!

  • Thanks and yes Steve you put it well that “having such a plan will make it easier to get rid of psychiatry, as it will remove one excuse/justification for psychiatry’s existence”.

    Most people I know who have never tangled with psychiatry (or had a friend, family member etc who did) generally believe psychiatry “cares” about distressed people and their well being. I used to be one of them. When my younger brother ended up in a bad state of mind after his marriage ended it seemed less scary because there was somewhere for him to get “help”. But when he died at the age of 40 while being “cared for” by a psychiatrist we still clung to the belief the psychiatrist “cared” but had failed my brother. It was not until I tangled with a psychiatrist myself while in cancer treatment that I saw it was more about unbridled ego, power and control. As you say, there are some psychiatrists in the system, past and present, who have integrity and good intentions and I am so grateful they are now speaking out against the very oppressive and damaging authority psychiatry rules with.

  • Oldhead, Psychiatry is a destructive sham and should be abolished but I wonder if some who agree psychiatry has failed and has been harmful are afraid if they support “abolishing” psychiatry there will be no services ‘at all’ or any place to take someone who is suicidal or distressed. They mistakenly believe getting a person into psychiatric services is ‘better than nothing’. If there was a different place set up for people in distress to go that was non-judgemental, non-labelling, non-coercive, I’m thinking most, if not all people would want to see psychiatry abolished.

  • Great interview Leah and Celia. Thanks for all your ground breaking activist work Celia! Very eloquently stated that we all need to work together …”Because all of our existence, our human existence relies on all of us.”

    We need structures based on support, respect, hope and dignity rather than punishment. Hopefully the day is coming mainstream media will afford these human rights issues and movements more coverage.

    The CRPD should be ratified by all countries. Is there is a way to make a complaint if someone’s rights are violated in a country that has ratified the CRPD?

  • Dr. Steingard,
    Much gratitude and respect for all your ongoing endeavours. It takes courage and integrity to speak out and challenge the status quo of psychiatry. Your latest book looks to be very interesting and per Chapter 2 Introduction, also hopeful in that it “has become a new kind of norm” for more professionals to be critical of the DSM. It’s been shocking to learn how many lives have been damaged by egotistical, rigid psychiatrists who cling to their power and shamelessly force damaging labels and destructive treatments and drugs on people. Thanks again for all you do.

  • John,
    Thank you for sharing your story. Reading your heartfelt essay really stirs up a lot of emotions. I am so sorry you have endured such cruelty and was really hoping you had gotten out. Might that be a possibility in the not too distant future? Yes it is so dishonest and shameful the media does not publish a hint of these inhumanities.
    Stay strong John. Keep walking and writing. Every voice is so important.

  • Thanks Itay, very helpful and enlightening information as various classifications/theories are sometimes misunderstood.

    As per the article “Anarchists are simply people who believe human beings are capable of behaving in a reasonable fashion without having to be forced to. It is really a very simple notion. But it’s one that the rich and powerful have always found extremely dangerous”.

    Yes it is high time for anarchism in the mental health industry!
    I also read this description for Anarchism:
    “The current State is ineffective; the best way forward to a better life is by immediately dismantling the existing system.”

  • Judi,
    I am in Canada and yes the system is totally rigged here! No matter how much solid, irrefutable evidence you produce the College of Physicians ignores all evidence and dismisses complaints with illogical, ridiculous conclusions. At one point we were told there was enough evidence to go to a ‘Hearing Tribunal’ but shortly after for undisclosed reasons they reversed that and chose to dismiss the complaint again. Requesting a Review from the OIPC or Ombudsman is a joke as they simply go along with the ruling of the College. These gov’t funded organizations are as the saying goes “all in bed together”. I battled for a few years on my own and then hired a lawyer for help to get more evidence. He has since retired but I hope to see another lawyer to keep battling this corruption. The really corrupt thing is that doctors have access to free legal help from the CMPA which is government funded on taxpayer’s money and therefore has massively deep pockets to defend the doctors indefinitely. From the first letter of complaint I sent to the psychiatrist her reply back to me was stamped “Not for third party release”. She had immediately lawyered up with her tax payer funded lawyer.

    Have you seen these clips? They describe how bad things are in Canada.

  • Thank you Dr. Scull for reporting on this. As Diana noted above I’m glad there is a website to publish this info for a large audience. This corruption and greed is despicable.

    As you noted “Mental patients remain extremely vulnerable” – yet people deemed to be “mental patients” are continually used as guinea pigs. Nothing has changed from the days of lobotomy.

    And…. “In other words, in nearly two-thirds of cases, these physicians lied, and of course they did so with impunity. So it is that “evidence-based medicine” becomes “evidence-biased medicine”.

    The darkest and most disgusting reality I have come to realize from my own psychiatric encounter is – that physicians, especially psychiatrists, lie with impunity and inflict great harm with impunity.

  • Thank you Itay for a great piece! I appreciate the valuable work you are doing.

    These sentences speaks volumes – “in the interaction with the “consumer,” the mental health “professional” can either reinforce the foundation of hurt and sentence the “consumer” to continued silence or, alternatively, work toward the disentangling of these two elements”. And re Open Dialogue – “ideas and suggestions brought up by any participant (even those of a qualified psychiatrist) are open to discussion and examination so that others can give their opinion”.

    All countries should be implementing Stabilizing Houses and Open Dialogue now. It is high time indeed to bring some humanity to the very dark world of psychiatry.
    Keep up the great work!

  • Teresa, this is a excellent comment and sage advice.

    You put it well, “this world is changing so rapidly but psychiatry is stuck in a time warp”.
    Yes! Along with their gross arrogance they are stupidly stubborn in clinging to narrow-minded, rigid thinking. Too arrogant to ever consider being wrong!

    Yes going to psych interviews with at least two other support people is better than just one.
    And when I realized the young, privileged female psychiatrist I saw during cancer treatment had as much compassion and empathy as a stone how I wish I had “stood up and walked out”.

    In my case I was never told about the psych labels, instead she plastered the labels along with a pack of devious lies, all over my electronic health records without my knowledge while I was in cancer treatment. It is a violation of informed consent for a psychiatrist to put labels into someone’s records without ever discussing the labels with the person and without informing the person what the symptoms, rationale and reasoning was for the labels. But violations of all sorts of human rights are allowed to occur in psychiatry and that is truly criminal.

    Thinking of you and hoping you, your son and family will find peace and freedom from psychiatry.

  • Yes, Rachel I do agree with you!
    If ‘faulty genes’ were the reason psychiatrists wreak so much harm on innocent people it might not be as egregious. They definitely choose to act the way they do. After a snarky young female psychiatrist inflicted a great deal of harm on me during cancer treatment I said to my spouse “how could ANYONE be that stupid”. His reply was “No one is THAT stupid – it was intentional”. And he is right.

  • The VA seems to use the same tactics as psychiatry to dodge questions and whitewash evidence of the harm they are doing. As we prepare to honor veterans on November 11, 2019 this is a chilling and timely report that pays tribute to their courage and the high price so many paid to serve. I hope the VA sees this report and wakes up to the dire facts and statistics that are clearly presented in this report. Thank you Robert and Derek for putting together this outstanding and thoroughly researched report.

  • Thanks for providing a great summary of Bonnie Burstow’s new book. Prestigious academics and authors such as Bonnie Burstow and Robert Whitaker and the other professionals of great integrity who write on MIA to forge on with this epic battle is remarkable and so appreciated. It’s a direly needed mission of good will for the many who have been snared, harmed and had their lives ruined by psychiatry. Of course supporting the authors, donating etc is important to further this battle but what other initiatives can I or other readers of MIA also do to further this battle?
    (Per Bonnie’s comment the “emergence of an antipsychiatry lending library” sounds promising if the price is too prohibitive to purchase)

  • As always an interesting piece Noel,
    “Perhaps a study needs to be developed to search for the faulty gene variations that result in a complete lack of compassion. Or the gene that makes people worship money and success.”

    Yes, as it stands psychiatrists always think it is “others” with faulty genes. We need to find out what egregiously faulty gene is responsible for the controlling, maleficent, power-seeking behavior that drives so many psychiatrists!

  • Dr. Johnson, this blog really addresses what is most abhorrent and incomprehensible about psychiatry – the “Aetiological Vacuum”. You state it very well in ..“This approach couldn’t last microseconds in all other branches of medical practice, where ameliorating causative factors is the be-all and end-all of what doctors seek to do. Ask any non-DSM doctor.”

    That psychiatrists have no interest or concern and actually DON’T want to hear what the causative factors are of distress, depression etc goes well beyond sheer stupidity. It is highly negligent and maleficent.

    I highly commend you on your integrity as per your bio, “In 1967 he refused to give Electric Shock Therapy, which he regarded as akin to the ducking stool and about as effective — whereupon his further psychiatric career was blocked.”

    I hope you write another MIA blog soon and I also hope you once again submit papers for publication!

  • This is a sad story with a very tragic outcome for a little girl but I believe psychiatry and their damaging drugs are to blame. Thank goodness for these wonderful and courageous people that helped Marci. They all deserve accolades for their courage, compassion and humanity. I give very high praise to Cindy Perlin for all she has done for Marci as I believe many therapists would not want to get involved. It is easier to walk away from someone when the chips are the down. Much respect to Cindi Perlin.

  • Dorothy and Leah, Thank you for this podcast and for all your work and advocacy. Dorothy your story is gut wrenching. You have incredible strength and resilience to have endured these barbaric psych practices at such a young age and then actually witnessed your young roommate Susan die from these barbaric practices. I deeply admire your advocacy and for speaking out against psychiatry to help others. I had naively agreed to see a psychiatrist for chemo-induced insomnia and ended up paying a huge price for being naïve. Like many of the general public I had no idea of the damage psychiatry inflicts on innocent people and was shocked to discover psychiatry wields ultimate power and control. Psychiatry is a total sham – but the word of psychiatry somehow rules supreme over every other branch of ‘real’ medicine. I cannot wrap my brain around that. It wasn’t until I found the MIA site that I realized how extensive the damage of psychiatry was. Thank you for still speaking out after all these years and for all your endeavors to help others avoid similar fates. God bless you sweet lady!

  • Eric, is that the ‘norm’ to have wait 3 years between hearings? Forced drugging is cruel and one would think a hearing on such a perverse matter should occur at least once a year. I wonder if that is an area someone could advocate for you on, or MIA could get a petition going or something to at least get you a hearing much sooner than that.

  • Thanks for this blog Eric, and for making it clear there are no ‘side’ effects from these drugs. Rather than ‘side’ effects these drugs have ‘damaging’ and ‘deadly’ effects. I hope sooner than later you will be allowed to stop taking these drugs. When do you expect there to be another hearing on this matter?

  • Dr. Schlimme, I highly commend you for putting forth this Manifesto and Petition. It is encouraging to know there are still psychiatrists out there in the world who have integrity, compassion and a conscience. It takes integrity for a professional to acknowledge and speak out on the destructive disaster psychiatry is. It seems most psychiatrists are too power hungry, or insecure, to ever let go of the whole power and control thing and are mostly concerned about their status, ego, privilege, etc. Thank you for your humanity! I truly hope your endeavours in Germany are successful!

  • The Reviewer’s remark tying the matter to “the Church of Scientology” is a cheap shot. Totally without integrity or scruples, shows the persistent narcissistic control of psychiatry.

    “Or it has meant that only “agreeable” consumer views are invited.”

    Yes, the token lay person on any Complaint Committee is only to make it look good. The lay person wouldn’t be in that position long if they didn’t side with the Committees. Complaints Committees are kangaroo court, aka doctors investigating themselves.

    “Perhaps it is time to build more of our own tables: forums where people with lived experience set the agenda, and we invite others to join the agendas that we set.”
    Thanks for this report Dr. Maylea and Indigo.