I don’t think the media is a matter of left or right as much as it is the advertisers threatening to pull their advertisements from legitimate sources of information. Is Tucker Carlson really considered are reliable source? He may be right on this one but people are able to brush it off as another part of the cult.
Actually very FEW drugs are illegal if you simply consider them a chemical that interacts with the body. The supplement industry is largely regulated by consumer fraud laws that prevent companies from making false claims about a drugs benefits. This is why the criminal guilty pleas by the drug companies were for making false claims about the benefits and deceiving customers about side effects.
I strongly agree with you on the problem of family making decisions for loved ones in the mental health system, especially for minors. Even in the best circumstances family is forced to make an unfair decision under pressure from psychiatrists and rarely with accurate information. It is important to recognize the family of the patients are just as much a victim of the fraud as the patients themselves. This same dynamic is occurring in elderly patients suffering from Alzheimers and just like with mental health we are seeing drugs based on fraudulent research that don’t work being given to individuals unable to give consent.
Yes, for many diseases 15% is great, but only if the side effects are benign. With antidepressants far more than 15% experience serious side effects that are often worse than the original disease.
As a child of cure I’m in.
Elon Musk is a missed opportunity for mental health reform. Saying ‘At least I didn’t buy Twitter’ can really put your own mental health into context withbthe bigger problem.
It creates a lot of the same informed consent issues present in using psych drugs in minors. Family is forced into the impossible position of making medical decisions based on questionable research like Study 329. I’m concerned we are recreating that situation except with children making the decision for parents. A single Alzheimers drug caused Medicare to change everyone’s rates. The approval process was sloppy and red flags were ignored. The initial research is based on bad science. Sounds like they didn’t learn and made all the same mistakes.
They’re hoping nobody sees the similarities between psych drugs and Alzheimers drugs not working and why.
What if psychosis was on a spectrum dependent on the severity of the trauma? There is growing evidence showing psychosis may be the immune systems defense against contradictory beliefs as in cognitive dissonance (this is often highly visible in politics and religion). Past trauma causes the immune system to over react to future stresses resulting in damage from stress hormones. One theory is that the stress hormones cause physical damage to the brain related to the damage of prescription psych drugs and the result is psychosis.
I may to totally wrong but my bigger point is that there is value exploring theories bridge that darkness between objective science and the subjective theories that brought us to MIA.
I agree genetics are overrated but if mental illness is a response to environmental stress then from an evolutionary view rapid changes to society would create new stressors and new stress response. An example of this would be variable moods over the course of a year with periods of mania during resource rich times and depressed activity when resources are scarce. This was tremendously helpful for thousands of years in an agrarian society but maladaptive in modern society that requires 8 hr shifts worked 5 days a week for 50 weeks a year instead of simply 2000 hours when needed over the course of a year.
Psychiatrists are like physicists who deny the theory of relativity.
Most mental illness can probably be traced back to the immune systems fight or flight response and the cascade of events triggered. The real illness is the variability in how an individual responds to stress. A malnourished sleep deprived body will react differently than a healthy body. Even a healthy body can be overwhelmed if the stress is either extreme in severity or in cumulative exposure. Ultimately the psychosis is a symptom of damage done to the ‘lizard brain’ from prolonged exposure to the adrenaline, epinephrine, and cortisol etc (precursors to IL’s and cytokines) released during the stressful event. This is consistent with the inflammation theory and explains SSRI’s are better understood as anti-inflammatory agents and not antidepressants.
We’re giving Paxil to dogs and ketamine to humans, which is more inhumane?
What really helped me was viewing my mood disorder through an unemotional lense of evolution. It is stunning how different it is in the context of thousands of years evolving in an agrarian society where times of extreme activity to collect resources intermixed with periods of low activity to preserve resources. It also explains how an evolutionary advantage can to turn into a disadvantage due to stark societal changes like the industrial revolution.
I’m interested in the cost benefit analysis that says this is a good use of scarce resources. On the surface it sounds like a great idea but does it actually help people? My medical provider is currently hiring for this hotline and as someone a BA in psychology and way to much personal experience it is a tempting employment solution to my Medicaid problem.
My concern is when I searched for studies to justify the costs of the 988 number with objective research I ended up here. Mad in America is a great organization but ending up here usually means there is no scientific justification for the policy I am researching.
My theory (and not necessarily a correct theory) is that ‘antidepressants’ mechanism of action is through inflammation changes that alter the permeability of the blood brain barrier. I believe my ‘bipolar’ mood disorder is a presentation of changes in inflammation with low inflammation being associated elevated moods and high inflammation being associated with depressed moods. I also believe depression is like a fever and simply a component of a larger immune response. If you think of the ‘fight or flight’ response as your immune system responding to a threat then the path to a medically based cause and eventual treatments.
Be careful making the mistake that depression has a single cause and generalizing my experience to your own. A virus and a bacteria both cause the immune response of fever but treating the cause of that fever requires two very different treatment protocols.
From a mental health standpoint the real concerns are the unintended consequences. Personally it’s none of my business what another person decides to do with their body. My concern is that legislating morality is itself is often an immoral act. Psychiatry has a checkered history largely because of its attempt to pathologize morality and much of it is rooted in the same religious movement responsible for the current abortion debate. Many of the solutions we need are not possible without legislative action and the mental health community must quit accepting condescending lip service and start demanding evidence based solutions.
This is an interesting subject that I initially wanted dismiss but second glance realized it is a foundational obstacle to receiving medical care for anyone harmed by the system.
I am a difficult anxious patient with PTSD from mood disorder treatments so when a medical professional documents my anxiety with a blood pressure cuff without realizing the hell I’m in it feels like I’m being discriminated against. The real problem is that if they ask about my blood pressure I’m more than happy share my accurate data from when I practice biofeedback.
There are obvious benefits to looking at raising awareness to discriminatory practices like daylight savings time, past failed treatments, and a mental health system more similar to the criminal justice system than medicine. That said it is important not repeat the mistakes of idiot, moron, and imbecile.
I wish they would stop the false marketing of calling SSRI’s antidepressants. If they actually listened to the patients they would realize they are anti-inflammatory drugs.
What about the CR (controlled release) scam. I started on Paxil CR (GSK plc) pretty soon after it came out and within weeks had a depressive episodes. At the time they blamed it on me and not production facility in Puerto Rico the FDA ended up shutting down.
It’s like they’re arguing about if they should throw the baby out with the bathwater without realizing they already killed the baby.
Psychiatric fraud has major implications. Modern vaccine resistance is rooted in mainstream medicine’s failure to respond to autism thus creating a desperate group of patients willing to accept an explanation of their condition with zero scientific basis. This is a great example of the ‘white wall of silence’ where doctors protect themselves at the expense of society.
What do I use to refer to the SSRI and cannabis I use to alleviate PTSD symptoms caused by substances prescribed by a cultist?
Imagining can be misleading in all areas of medicine but psychiatry has very little objective data to work with. Currently describing symptoms to psychiatrist is about as useful as trying to describe the color blue to someone who has been blind since birth. Excessive unnecessary imagining can be harmful but it is minimally invasive and provides information that can be reviewed by more than one individual for interpretation. It probably is not very useful right now but neither are the invasive medications. As we all know profit is a major driver American healthcare and we’re pretty hard to make profitable which is why we’re either ignored or drugged. I feel like a psychiatrist justifying their profession but imagining is highly profitable and has the advantage of being minimally invasive. It may require new techniques and take milli9ns to establish the needed imagining data base but I’m pretty sure my manic brain will look quit different when compared to my depressed brain.
I had to cut off contact to a neurologist relative over this issue. He said informed consent simply is not possible without medical school. I understand his point but at least be honest about what you don’t know. Imaging technology has advanced enough to justify advanced imaging for mental illness.
I think lithium was a missed opportunity to focus more on natural treatments as opposed to patented pharmaceuticals the body has no experience with. My personal experience is that foods high in B vitamins and electrolytes help me manage my mood fluctuations in a way I can adjust as needed unlike pharmaceuticals.
‘Problems in living’ sounds a lot like how ‘failure to adjust’ is used to turn behaviors that are beneficial during millions of years of evolution but suddenly abnormal in an industrialized world. My body tends to respond to the sun and not to a clock that is arbitrarily changed by an hour twice a day.
I was wondered if Einstein’s definition of insanity was commentary on psychiatry.
There is great benefit for a well educated consumer. It is also morally dishonest to disregard that information on MIA could be dangerous in the wrong context.
A well educated patient, being necessary to the maintenance of a working mental health system, should not have their access to information infringed.
Almost every drug used to treat bipolar disorder was involved in some form of criminal settlement and lithium is the only drug that I don’t feel defrauded me. It was easy to understand why it would work. Learning how all those elements around it helped my mental health benefited my health more than any other treatment. Unlike prescription drugs they can be altered on a seasonal basis more in line with our seasonal changes. Lithium seems like a great candidate for microdosing studies.
When I was a teenager and in group therapy I always wondered why people had to include their diagnosis and medications in their introduction. Almost like they’re trying to get you to believe something that doesn’t have any scientific basis. A primary care doctor focused on improving your overall health is a far better mental health professional than any psychiatrist not willing to acknowledge the problems in their own profession.
There’s any number of Planters products that could beat most psychiatric drugs. In the US they have a heart logo because they showed a strong relationship to heart health. Pretty sure the science is a lot better for a brain logo.
When I was 16 (1994) I tried to blow the whistle about how the SSRI made me feel weird. The doctors response was Haldol on which I subsequently overdosed. This was two years after a different SSRI lead to a tricyclic overdose. I was always confused about how easily they believed me about those not being suicide attempts. In hindsight I wonder if they new something I didn’t.
I don’t think the media is a matter of left or right as much as it is the advertisers threatening to pull their advertisements from legitimate sources of information. Is Tucker Carlson really considered are reliable source? He may be right on this one but people are able to brush it off as another part of the cult.
Actually very FEW drugs are illegal if you simply consider them a chemical that interacts with the body. The supplement industry is largely regulated by consumer fraud laws that prevent companies from making false claims about a drugs benefits. This is why the criminal guilty pleas by the drug companies were for making false claims about the benefits and deceiving customers about side effects.
I strongly agree with you on the problem of family making decisions for loved ones in the mental health system, especially for minors. Even in the best circumstances family is forced to make an unfair decision under pressure from psychiatrists and rarely with accurate information. It is important to recognize the family of the patients are just as much a victim of the fraud as the patients themselves. This same dynamic is occurring in elderly patients suffering from Alzheimers and just like with mental health we are seeing drugs based on fraudulent research that don’t work being given to individuals unable to give consent.
Yes, for many diseases 15% is great, but only if the side effects are benign. With antidepressants far more than 15% experience serious side effects that are often worse than the original disease.
As a child of cure I’m in.
Elon Musk is a missed opportunity for mental health reform. Saying ‘At least I didn’t buy Twitter’ can really put your own mental health into context withbthe bigger problem.
It creates a lot of the same informed consent issues present in using psych drugs in minors. Family is forced into the impossible position of making medical decisions based on questionable research like Study 329. I’m concerned we are recreating that situation except with children making the decision for parents. A single Alzheimers drug caused Medicare to change everyone’s rates. The approval process was sloppy and red flags were ignored. The initial research is based on bad science. Sounds like they didn’t learn and made all the same mistakes.
They’re hoping nobody sees the similarities between psych drugs and Alzheimers drugs not working and why.
What if psychosis was on a spectrum dependent on the severity of the trauma? There is growing evidence showing psychosis may be the immune systems defense against contradictory beliefs as in cognitive dissonance (this is often highly visible in politics and religion). Past trauma causes the immune system to over react to future stresses resulting in damage from stress hormones. One theory is that the stress hormones cause physical damage to the brain related to the damage of prescription psych drugs and the result is psychosis.
I may to totally wrong but my bigger point is that there is value exploring theories bridge that darkness between objective science and the subjective theories that brought us to MIA.
I agree genetics are overrated but if mental illness is a response to environmental stress then from an evolutionary view rapid changes to society would create new stressors and new stress response. An example of this would be variable moods over the course of a year with periods of mania during resource rich times and depressed activity when resources are scarce. This was tremendously helpful for thousands of years in an agrarian society but maladaptive in modern society that requires 8 hr shifts worked 5 days a week for 50 weeks a year instead of simply 2000 hours when needed over the course of a year.
Psychiatrists are like physicists who deny the theory of relativity.
Most mental illness can probably be traced back to the immune systems fight or flight response and the cascade of events triggered. The real illness is the variability in how an individual responds to stress. A malnourished sleep deprived body will react differently than a healthy body. Even a healthy body can be overwhelmed if the stress is either extreme in severity or in cumulative exposure. Ultimately the psychosis is a symptom of damage done to the ‘lizard brain’ from prolonged exposure to the adrenaline, epinephrine, and cortisol etc (precursors to IL’s and cytokines) released during the stressful event. This is consistent with the inflammation theory and explains SSRI’s are better understood as anti-inflammatory agents and not antidepressants.
We’re giving Paxil to dogs and ketamine to humans, which is more inhumane?
What really helped me was viewing my mood disorder through an unemotional lense of evolution. It is stunning how different it is in the context of thousands of years evolving in an agrarian society where times of extreme activity to collect resources intermixed with periods of low activity to preserve resources. It also explains how an evolutionary advantage can to turn into a disadvantage due to stark societal changes like the industrial revolution.
I’m interested in the cost benefit analysis that says this is a good use of scarce resources. On the surface it sounds like a great idea but does it actually help people? My medical provider is currently hiring for this hotline and as someone a BA in psychology and way to much personal experience it is a tempting employment solution to my Medicaid problem.
My concern is when I searched for studies to justify the costs of the 988 number with objective research I ended up here. Mad in America is a great organization but ending up here usually means there is no scientific justification for the policy I am researching.
My theory (and not necessarily a correct theory) is that ‘antidepressants’ mechanism of action is through inflammation changes that alter the permeability of the blood brain barrier. I believe my ‘bipolar’ mood disorder is a presentation of changes in inflammation with low inflammation being associated elevated moods and high inflammation being associated with depressed moods. I also believe depression is like a fever and simply a component of a larger immune response. If you think of the ‘fight or flight’ response as your immune system responding to a threat then the path to a medically based cause and eventual treatments.
Be careful making the mistake that depression has a single cause and generalizing my experience to your own. A virus and a bacteria both cause the immune response of fever but treating the cause of that fever requires two very different treatment protocols.
From a mental health standpoint the real concerns are the unintended consequences. Personally it’s none of my business what another person decides to do with their body. My concern is that legislating morality is itself is often an immoral act. Psychiatry has a checkered history largely because of its attempt to pathologize morality and much of it is rooted in the same religious movement responsible for the current abortion debate. Many of the solutions we need are not possible without legislative action and the mental health community must quit accepting condescending lip service and start demanding evidence based solutions.
This is an interesting subject that I initially wanted dismiss but second glance realized it is a foundational obstacle to receiving medical care for anyone harmed by the system.
I am a difficult anxious patient with PTSD from mood disorder treatments so when a medical professional documents my anxiety with a blood pressure cuff without realizing the hell I’m in it feels like I’m being discriminated against. The real problem is that if they ask about my blood pressure I’m more than happy share my accurate data from when I practice biofeedback.
There are obvious benefits to looking at raising awareness to discriminatory practices like daylight savings time, past failed treatments, and a mental health system more similar to the criminal justice system than medicine. That said it is important not repeat the mistakes of idiot, moron, and imbecile.
I wish they would stop the false marketing of calling SSRI’s antidepressants. If they actually listened to the patients they would realize they are anti-inflammatory drugs.
What about the CR (controlled release) scam. I started on Paxil CR (GSK plc) pretty soon after it came out and within weeks had a depressive episodes. At the time they blamed it on me and not production facility in Puerto Rico the FDA ended up shutting down.
It’s like they’re arguing about if they should throw the baby out with the bathwater without realizing they already killed the baby.
Psychiatric fraud has major implications. Modern vaccine resistance is rooted in mainstream medicine’s failure to respond to autism thus creating a desperate group of patients willing to accept an explanation of their condition with zero scientific basis. This is a great example of the ‘white wall of silence’ where doctors protect themselves at the expense of society.
What do I use to refer to the SSRI and cannabis I use to alleviate PTSD symptoms caused by substances prescribed by a cultist?
Imagining can be misleading in all areas of medicine but psychiatry has very little objective data to work with. Currently describing symptoms to psychiatrist is about as useful as trying to describe the color blue to someone who has been blind since birth. Excessive unnecessary imagining can be harmful but it is minimally invasive and provides information that can be reviewed by more than one individual for interpretation. It probably is not very useful right now but neither are the invasive medications. As we all know profit is a major driver American healthcare and we’re pretty hard to make profitable which is why we’re either ignored or drugged. I feel like a psychiatrist justifying their profession but imagining is highly profitable and has the advantage of being minimally invasive. It may require new techniques and take milli9ns to establish the needed imagining data base but I’m pretty sure my manic brain will look quit different when compared to my depressed brain.
I had to cut off contact to a neurologist relative over this issue. He said informed consent simply is not possible without medical school. I understand his point but at least be honest about what you don’t know. Imaging technology has advanced enough to justify advanced imaging for mental illness.
I think lithium was a missed opportunity to focus more on natural treatments as opposed to patented pharmaceuticals the body has no experience with. My personal experience is that foods high in B vitamins and electrolytes help me manage my mood fluctuations in a way I can adjust as needed unlike pharmaceuticals.
‘Problems in living’ sounds a lot like how ‘failure to adjust’ is used to turn behaviors that are beneficial during millions of years of evolution but suddenly abnormal in an industrialized world. My body tends to respond to the sun and not to a clock that is arbitrarily changed by an hour twice a day.
I was wondered if Einstein’s definition of insanity was commentary on psychiatry.
There is great benefit for a well educated consumer. It is also morally dishonest to disregard that information on MIA could be dangerous in the wrong context.
A well educated patient, being necessary to the maintenance of a working mental health system, should not have their access to information infringed.
Almost every drug used to treat bipolar disorder was involved in some form of criminal settlement and lithium is the only drug that I don’t feel defrauded me. It was easy to understand why it would work. Learning how all those elements around it helped my mental health benefited my health more than any other treatment. Unlike prescription drugs they can be altered on a seasonal basis more in line with our seasonal changes. Lithium seems like a great candidate for microdosing studies.
When I was a teenager and in group therapy I always wondered why people had to include their diagnosis and medications in their introduction. Almost like they’re trying to get you to believe something that doesn’t have any scientific basis. A primary care doctor focused on improving your overall health is a far better mental health professional than any psychiatrist not willing to acknowledge the problems in their own profession.
There’s any number of Planters products that could beat most psychiatric drugs. In the US they have a heart logo because they showed a strong relationship to heart health. Pretty sure the science is a lot better for a brain logo.
When I was 16 (1994) I tried to blow the whistle about how the SSRI made me feel weird. The doctors response was Haldol on which I subsequently overdosed. This was two years after a different SSRI lead to a tricyclic overdose. I was always confused about how easily they believed me about those not being suicide attempts. In hindsight I wonder if they new something I didn’t.