Sunday, October 2, 2022

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  • The hubris of expecting recovery from people who have been systematically ostracized, traumatized, isolated, rejected, traumatized, drugged, silenced. In my experience, the pressure to and talk of recovery is all part of the same monster that left me sick, broken and alone.
    Maybe for me recovery is accepting that there is no help. And stopping with all of the “cry for help bs” as my son called it.

  • Anotherone, i agree…people who endured the most harm from the system should have their voices and experiences prioritized in survivor spaces, especially since they get silenced and insulted almost everywhere else.
    As a n example, about a month ago i made a comment on a YouTube thread where so many people were saying ignorant things about psychiatry, like, oh, thank god its not like it used to be, and “they dont do ECT anymore” or “they still do ECT but it doesn’t cause memory loss anymore”. I wrote “they still do ect and it still causes memory loss. I had it 15 years ago and am still disabled” (of course it wasnt just the ECT but all the harm that came before and after) and someone replied, “I don’t believe you. I think if you’re on disability youre gaming the system.” I’m so sick and tired of it.

  • “it’s not always that way” but when it is that way, patients have no recourse. They just have to accept the fact that someone got paid to abuse them in the name of help and no one cares and no one will listen to them. Why don’t the people in the profession who realize that there are some horrible ones out there do something to stop the horrible ones instead of just shrug and say oh we’re not all like that?

  • Or, you get this sort of thing –the “nice”, “politically correct” way to say the same thing:

    17th Annual Yale National Education Alliance for Borderline Personality Disorder Conference: Borderline Personality Disorder and Life Disrupting Behaviors

    I actually prefer the honesty of the “dammed if we do” (sic) communication. When people who describe themselves as helping people actually hate the people they profess to want to help, it’s much safer for the people on the receiving end of the “help” to understand how much they are hated. That way they can try to protect themselves.

  • “The RCPUK advertisement states: “Personality Disorder (PD) is a thorn in the flesh of many clinicians as, however, they may wish to avoid managing those with such a diagnosis, those with personality disorder label have a tenacious hold on the clinician. While only a small minority of PD patients actively seek treatment – although often in a dysfunctional manner – the majority avoid contact with health professionals but nonetheless cause considerable distress both to themselves and those around them.”

    Proof that the BPD diagnosis is an actual hate crime.

  • I got a bpd diagnosis 15 years ago after ECT. Before the ect, I was drugged for 20 years. After the ECT, I was drugged more. After the ECT they said I wasn’t depressed I was borderline and that’s why the ECT didn’t work but they made me keep taking antidepressants and added antipsychotics to the mix. I knew from the minute I got that diagnosis that I was hated by the mental health system, that I was being thrown away, but every time I spoke that to anyone they would insist that I was paranoid, that people were trying to help me, that no one thought ill of me. All lies. I was mocked, silenced, abused for years by the system and my so called “natural supports” loved every minute of it! I was surrounded by “open minded people”, liberals, who jumped at the chance to be “allies” except when it came to people like me. If I was locked up, force drugged and stripped of any agency I had, well, that was for my own good. And, wasn’t I better yet? Wasn’t I fixed? Now I’m 56 years old. I don’t work, I barely leave my apartment, I don’t get along with anyone. I have tons of rage and am waiting for it all to be over.
    Question:. Have these abusive babies ever heard of a little thing called “self fulfilling prophecy”?
    I don’t know why they bothered to apologize for what they said. They were telling the truth, for once.

  • This strikes me as pie in the sky thinking, out of touch with reality. Not everyone who winds up in these facilities has family members. Many don’t. If and when I wind up in a place like this I won’t have anyone to advocate for me. I want euthanasia. I have been drugged since age 17, brain shocked, called every sort of name, borderline personality etc. I’ve been abused and never was allowed to live my life. Never was allowed to be a part of society or work toward goals. Was shunned and ostracized and still am. At age 56, sick and alone, I’ve suffered long enough. I’m never going to get better or meet society’s standards that I’ve never been able to meet from the start. Why should I have to live in fear of winding up in a place like this where, sure it’s nice to have nice ideas about patient consent etc but we know that that is never going to happen. We need to live in reality and offer people like me euthanasia. No one will miss me. I can stop being a burden on society and living in pain, it’s a win-win.

  • We really need to stop lionizing therapists as if they have not been a huge part of the problem. Did they stand up to psychiatry when Psychiatry started handing out diagnoses like crazy and medicating everyone they encountered no matter the person’s age? I don’t remember hearing any sort of outcry from therapists. It was the opposite in fact. The therapists were completely on board with writing down another label about a patient, calling them non-compliant, telling them “I won’t see you anymore unless you are medicated”. This happened to me on numerous occasions. I was also pushed into ECT treatment by a DBT therapist. On several occasions? I had therapist spending entire appointments talking to me about medication and how I needed my medication changed or my dosage increased or another medication added — something they shouldn’t have even been talking about since they had no training in it, but that never stopped them. I had one push me into TMS treatments. It was all she would talk about for months and months.

    Let’s not rewrite the story. That is not going to help anyone. Therapists, psychologists, social workers… They have all been a huge part of the problem for decades. They have also been patient blamers, labelers, doing whatever insurance told them to do, whatever the psychiatrist who ruled the roost said they should do. Everybody wants to get paid right. Everyone wants to get along with their colleagues. What happens when a therapist sees a patient being abused by a psychiatrist, sees the patient going downhill under a cocktail of medications that the psychiatrists insists are necessary. She’s the patient gaining weight? Drooling? Developing tardive dyskinesia? Does the therapist speak up? Call the psychiatrist, ask what’s going on? Highly doubtful. Let’s tell the truth about what’s been happening.

  • Well said, George!

    “it doesn’t matter if serotonin is not how they work. What matters is that they work!”. Except in the many, many instances where they DON’T work — and whatever that end of the “don’t work” spectrum is called where people get akathisia and even at times tragically end their own lives or other people’s. We will blame the patient always. As long as there is a patient to blame, we will blame the patient. We have an endless list of names to call them. Treatment resistant, non-compliant, outliers, beyond help, personality disordered. Do other medical specialties have long lists of pejorative labels and insults for people who get worse under their care?For the psychiatrists who have not admitted to wrong-doing at this point, this is a self-selected group who is congenitally incapable of admitting wrongdoing. They will go to their graves blaming someone else, something else, or saying that all they’ve ever done is help people, people who no one else wanted to deal with. Their egos have been injured and they can’t handle it.

  • Thank you, Rachel. It is good to hear from you but I’m so sorry you’re in a similar situation. I wish there were answers. The healthcare system owes us palliative care, I believe, but I’m no longer naive enough to think that that will ever happen. As scared and sick as I am, I know going to the doctor isn’t going to do a bit of good. It’s kind of ironic that the psychiatrists made people feel like it was an individual problem if they were having any sort of issues, and now their victims are still on their own.

  • I’m more and more confused by the articles on MIA. I understand wanting to present a spectrum of opinions and approaches, but when it veers from talk of lawsuits to the idea that you can get off psych drugs using cbt and a therapist can help you heal from childhood trauma, when in reality in my situation, having gotten a borderline diagnosis 15 years ago after ECT, drugged for 35 years, in and out of psych wards after the ECT, in and out of DBT, haunted by memories of abuse from the system, never got trauma therapy which was the thing I needed from the start, practically Be,dridden, completely alone, afraid of winding up homeless because then I’ll be forced into treatment again, being an outcast with no rights. I don’t understand how all these different things can be true at the same time. Better to just accept that my life was destroyed and there is no justice. I was cursed to have insurance and be pressured into “help” when psychiatry was at the height of its power and committing fraud and literally no one was questioning any of it. Now I’ve lost everything and I just have to suck it up.

  • If you have childhood trauma maybe you can get help from a therapist or maybe you get drugged brain shocked called borderline shamed etc for 35 years and lose everything. Then spend the rest of your life alone in hiding haunted by the trauma of childhood and the trauma of being a mental patient and knowledge that you passed it on to another generation when you didn’t even know what it was when everyone was calling you a spoiled brat.

  • Thanks, Birdsong. I don’t think I’m ever going to make it back from has happened. Not everyone does. I’m literally completely alone in the world, my rent just went up for the second time in 2 years, I already couldn’t afford it when I moved in, every door has been slammed in my face including so called survivor agencies. I have no family no friends and get attacked on a regular basis by my son who tells me that I ought to kill myself, that he’s about to kill himself and it’s because of me, that I’m a worthless waste of life. This is been going on for years and years. Whatever I did wrong, whatever mistakes I made there is no way back from them. I’ve been in it down the hill spiral for years and finding the reality of what they did to me like discovering this website a few years ago does absolutely nothing to improve my situation. It just makes it worse honestly because nobody’s going to do anything different, nobody is ever going to believe me. I’ll be glad when it’s all over.

  • Mind boggling, the degree to which psychiatrists rationalize and excuse fraudulent practices. “We have to lie about the drugs so patients will believe they’ll feel better”? I’m beginning to think I was never the crazy one. After three and a half decades of being told that and having my life destroyed, the people who did this to me are looking more and more unbalanced and out of touch with reality.

  • Thanks Birdsong. What I faced is rejection for years and years, including from project whatever wildflower alliance, on the so-called places in the system that are supposed to help people like me who are destroyed by psychiatry and unwanted by families and have no friends. The message is loud and clear. I just somehow got the strength to go to my mailbox and found a rent increase. I already can’t afford where I live. This society is a living nightmare that never ends. That’s all it is. People will say I’m mental ill to my dying day because they don’t want to admit what a nightmare this world is.

  • The pressure — from friends, family, employers, neighbors — to “get help, take your medication, call your therapist, see your psychiatrist so he can adjust your meds, listen to your doctors” on and on, can be so intense. I wound up losing/cutting off all social contact, in part to escape the relentless drumbeat of “get help” even (especially) when I was brain damaged and bedridden from the “treatment” I’d already had. At least now, there is this website and others online that corroborate that the meds are very harmful and based on zero science. 10, 15, 30 years ago, there was very little a person could do to defend against the demands of a brainwashed society. How many people has this system of lies put in life threatening, terrifying situations — where the psych drugs have made them ill and they need to hide, hide that they’re ill, hide from supposedly well-meaning people who would have them be seen by a doctor or in the ER, God forbid,…just hide indefinitely, until either they recover on their own or become another statistic.

  • https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/12/health/ketamine-infusions-help-depression-study-wellness/index.html

    How are they still able to get the media to do their bidding and publish articles like this (in which it’s stated that despite ketamine being proven effective, it hasn’t matched the remission rates of ECT. What?). This should be illegal. 6 years ago they were “reporting” the same things about TMS.
    Maybe not insanity if the real goal — keep making money — is being accomplished.

  • Devastated. 3 generations of trauma and abuse in my family. Lives fully destroyed. After being told my whole life that I’m “mentally ill”, ECT, drugged, locked up, mocked. No answers, no hope. Just hide away until it’s over so they don’t get there hands on me again.
    The people who allowed this travesty to go on for so long should be deeply ashamed.

  • I agree, Joshua. And that’s a good point: in a dangerous environment,, being “out of touch with reality” can be a strong protective factor. Also, when we take a quick survey of the people in charge (CEOs, politicians, psychiatrists), the large majority are motivated by delusions of one sort of another.
    It would be interesting to know what percentage of people living on the street were treated for mental illness in the past– especially those with a history of complying with the drugs they were proscribed, and those who were subjected to ECT. My gut tells me it’s probably a fair percentage.

  • Thank you, Lina. I can’t remember if I replied to you under the other article. I’ll look into the resources you linked. What you describe in your country — the sort of agreed-upon idea that help is available to those who seek it — has been true for a long while in the US also. I track it to the 1980s, not so coincidentally, the decade that Prozac and the other SSRIs along with the atypical antipsychotics and some other psych drugs came onto the market. All of the sudden there was all this messaging, “if you need help, don’t be afraid to ask for help. If you feel suicidal or depressed or anxious, reach out. You’re not alone.” That sort of thing. Looking back armed with the knowledge of how money and power were basically dictating everything about the mental health system and how it operated, I think this messaging was probably funded by the pharmaceutical companies. It makes sense that they would promote this messaging along with this idea that “mental illness is due to a chemical imbalance and there are medications to fix it” was all a very clever scheme to sell their drugs, while keeping Psychiatry relevant and not just something that happened in Woody Allen movies.. Because even a few years earlier, when I was still in high school, there was no talk like that. Suicide and mental health problems were things that you didn’t talk about.

    I think I understand what you mean about acknowledging the situation. The toughest part of it for me is that I passed on the trauma that I had experienced to my child, who is now in his 30s and is in so much pain and so angry at me. I don’t blame him. He said to me, “I would never inflict this on a child”. I would do anything to go back and change it but of course it’s not possible, so I will have to find a way to try to accept it.

    Thank you for the resources.

    Kate

  • I wish people who had influence (rather than someone like me, a disabled former patient with nothing to show for my life) would do more to combat the psychiatric party line that gets repeated so often in so-called reputable publications like the New York Times.

    This article by Jane Brody was published in 2019 and is a veritable case study in psychiatric propaganda being presented as accepted and proven fact. It contains all the usual gems, like the “fact” that effective treatments for severe mental illness exist and it’s only a matter of getting patients to comply, since they don’t know they’re sick.

    Sure, I can write a decently-worded comment in response to this article or another like it (there are many) but if I identify myself as someone who was labeled as severely mentally ill and who is currently not in treatment, who has rejected treatment, including “medication”, I’m not going to get very far. The only people I have a chance of convincing are other people who have been directly harmed by the system.

    When Mental Illness Is Severe https://nyti.ms/2NUu1S6

    The following quote from Brody’s article relates directly to the issue of “evidence-based medicine.”. How did these myths become accepted fact that get printed and spoken again and again and go unchallenged again and again, and what will it take to disabuse the general public of the notion that any of this is factual?

    If people believe that the statement below is true, they are most likely going to applaud any psychiatrists who participate in a pharma funded study of a new psych drug, and they’re going to applaud the pharmaceutical company as well. And more patients will be harmed and then disbelieved.

    “…the‌ ‌issue‌ ‌is‌ ‌that‌ ‌treatments‌ ‌known‌ ‌to‌ ‌be‌ ‌effective‌ ‌are‌ ‌underfunded‌ ‌or‌ ‌wrongly‌ ‌dismissed‌ ‌as‌ ‌ineffective‌ ‌or‌ ‌too‌ ‌dangerous; ‌basic‌ ‌research‌ ‌in‌ ‌university‌ ‌and‌ ‌government‌ ‌laboratories‌ ‌into‌ ‌new‌ ‌and‌ ‌better‌ ‌drugs‌ ‌is‌ ‌limited‌ ‌and‌ ‌also‌ ‌underfunded; ‌and‌ ‌pharmaceutical‌ ‌companies‌ ‌have‌ ‌shown‌ ‌little‌ ‌interest‌ ‌in‌ ‌developing‌ ‌and‌ ‌testing‌ ‌treatments‌ ‌for‌ ‌severe‌ ‌mental‌ ‌illness. ‌ ‌”

  • You have to wonder who’s out of touch with reality in this scenario. The “street psychiatrist” appears well intentioned but “antipsychotics”, conservatorships and “reuniting” homeless people with their families” (there’s a reason they’re estranged, if family even exists.) are not solutions.

  • Insurance definitely leads to “higher levels of care” (harm). The ECT happened when I had what everyone called “great insurance” through my employer. I was working full time at an ivy league university. Within two years of the ECT and the borderline diagnosis, I was on SSDI and medicare. Been that way ever since. Who would have thought that having “great insurance” could be so catastrophic.

  • Quote from a DBT proponent under this article:
    This Teen Was Prescribed 10 Psychiatric Drugs. She’s Not Alone. https://nyti.ms/3CS0oef

    “@Doctor B
    Please consider Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) which is often misdiagnosed for other disorders including Bipolar. Medication has not been proven to be effective in that disorder and can lead to polypharmacy as they don’t respond. DBT is the most proven therapy. Some of these teens have features of BPD during puberty and would be helped more by a validating environment and skills training that DBT promotes”

    Marketing DBT as though the therapists don’t push psych drugs and ECT. When I was in. DBT, the diary card had a line, under problem behaviors, “urge to skip medication “. That was a top tier, second only to suicide, problem behavior as it was considered treatment interfering. The group I was in, if someone had a high urge to skip meds, had skip meds, or had any issue with their meds, they would be lectured in front of everyone. “Are you a doctor? Did you go to medical school?”

    Also, “…can lead to polypharmacy as *they* don’t respond “….? They’re still making this argument, as though it hasn’t been widely demonstrated that almost no one “responds” to being psych drugged. But, yeah, Let’s pretend we’re in 1985 and blame the “lack of response” on the patient being borderline. (He/she wasn’t alone though. The article the comment was under was even about a teenager who “hadn’t responded” to 10 different psych drugs.; And there were definitely people in the comments suggesting “sounds like borderline”.)

    Also the suggestion that there is any scientific legitimacy to either a bipolar or a borderliine diagnosis.

    And, advertising DBT as a “validating environment “. Saying that doesn’t make it so. Nothing about BPD is validating. I was silenced, blamed, threatened and abandoned.

  • I agree with other comments here that state that the survivor perspective is missing from this article. Survivors are used to having their voices erased, ignored, shouted down, but to see it on this website is disheartening.
    “As it is, people who enter services are very rarely offered any choice of language, perspective, or culturally sensitive understanding. In this system it may be risky or even be punished (for example telling them they “lack insight”) to hold legitimate but alternative views.”. The most prominent example of this punishment is the borderline diagnosis.
    I don’t see any reason to kowtow to people who use “you want to ban ECT ” as an insult. It should be banned.

  • I agree with other commenters that these issues are rampant not just in psychiatry but throughout the medical system. Psychiatry does have certain things that make it more catastrophic. Forced treatment, extreme social pressure for people labelled as “mentally ill” to “comply”, a legal system that has no protections for “people who don’t know what’s good for them” and “people who society needs protection from”.
    After losing everything, after decades of “help” that all I managed to do was survive through while losing my condo, my job, and my health, my ability to”pass for normal” (as one wonderful former friend used to encourage me to do), I finally removed myself from psychiatry and got off the last of the drugs at age 52. I’m aware I will need to spend the rest of my life watching what I say to people and how I appear, lest someone decide that I’m someone “in need of help”. No family, no friends, not even an emergency contact. I’ll be hiding from this wonderful system for the rest of my life.

    I’m torn about interviews like this, because while I recognize and admire the tenacity and bravery it requires for people working in this system to tell the truth about what’s been happening and who really benefits and who pays the price, I don’t sense the urgency. I realize that screaming and shouting and accusing people and institutions of fraud and worse doesn’t change anything, but knowing, as I do, first hand, the suffering that has been caused by these practices, and also sensing that it’s just not a priority for the powers that be to put a stop to all of it, and then also getting the sense that we’re not even going in the right direction (forced treatment of the homeless, snarky magazine articles mocking the new SSRI study as in Rolling Stone, a NY Times comment section where invariably the people pushing psych drugs and forced treatment get the most upvotes), it leaves me feeling sickened and hopeless.

  • “It happens in two ways. One, you get invited to become a chief investigator in a study that’s already been designed by a company. The duties of the chief investigator are not particularly onerous, you just have to contribute patients and your unit gets well rewarded for that and you get to go to chief investigators meetings which are typically held in nice cities around the world, that’s one way.”

    “You just have to contribute patients ” — Chilling, when you think about what this really means. Paying for the largesse of the drug maker with actual patient bodies, lives. And if the contributed patients wind up with akathisia or other “adverse events”, say, suicide, I guess that’s just the cost of doing business. These people sure have a lot of blood on their hands.

  • I am newly traumatized, freshly traumatized, on a daily basis. Today it was the rejection from betterhelp. They told me I had been matched with a therapist, and just needed to “become a member” (give them my cc so they could immediately charge $320 to it) so that I could schedule my first appointment with her. I did as told, only to receive a message from her cancelling the first appointment because “I am not taking new individuals at the moment” (now I’m an individual. Is that better or worse than a patient. Well I guess I’m not a patient or client or customer or consumer, but a rejected individual.)
    What was I even doing? I don’t know what I was thinking. I wasn’t. I’m a brainwashed zombie doing whatever the internet prods me to do.
    Tomorrow I will make sure that charge gets canceled or I will go through my bank and tell them that I’ve been scammed by betterhelp. The one thing I’ve learned from all my experience with “helping people” is how to fight.
    It bothers me that this woman couldn’t even be honest that she was rejecting me. Obviously if she really weren’t accepting new individuals, she wouldn’t be “matching” with people. So many like her.

  • I copied and pasted some of the comments under a New York Times article

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/27/health/teens-psychiatric-drugs.html?smid=url-share

    I think they are a good snapshot of what we’re up against. Most of the comments of this ill got many many upvotes:

    I have zero patience for articles like this that have no problems badmouthing psychiatric medications, which seems to be de rigeur these days, and no answer at all to the question, “Well, if therapy isn’t available, what would you suggest?”

    As a psychiatrist reading this article, I am troubled by the amount of inaccurate and misleading information. It is irresponsible to write, let alone publish, a poorly researched, negatively biased article on a topic that can have such dangerous consequences. I sure hope no one abruptly stopped their medications after reading this article.

    It is clear that this article was not written by a physician. It can take years and multiple medication trials to find the right medication regimen. Off label prescribing is often appropriate and life-saving. Most kids with ADHD have co-morbid illnesses and many need multiple medications.

    It is unfortunate that the class of medications including Abilify/Risperdal/etc are called “atypical anti-psychotics.” While these medications are used to treat psychosis, they also have FDA indications for multiple other childhood disorders. These medications do have potentially serious side effects – that said, the article is misleading and does not provide a nuanced/accurate description of the risks and enormous potential benefits of these medications

    As someone who works in the mental health field, this article contains many generalizations and simplifications about conditions that can be very complex. Many times medications are disbursed in response to some very risky and life threatening behaviors, not as a first salvo

    As a psychiatrist reading this, a few things really stand out to me in the case of polypharmacy with this girl. If Dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) was really sought out for her, that would strongly suggest a provider thought she had borderline personality disorder or very significant Cluster b personality traits. Patients with Borderline PD classically/inevitably end up on polypharmacy regimens because of their many, many mood symptoms and extreme fluctuations of mood symptoms and emotional lability and frequent suicidality. Sometimes the regimens work, and sometimes they’re not helping at all and more meds are taken off and added in desperate attempts to stabilize the patient. Whenever many years of varying med therapy don’t help, you should always consider whether a personality disorder is at play and cut down on med lists. One more thing I’ll note: the meds listed
    And their doses are all well within the realm of therapeutic indications for a patient with severe and treatment resistant depression who also has mood swings/severe irritability. Should a patient be on many at once?…some patients actually do require it. For children, there should be more discernment, and my feeling is that a personality disorder (which is treated primarily by talk-therapy and not meds) was at play with this girl.

  • And still the general public is completely clueless about all of this. People will still talk about someone who is mentally ill and doing some horrible thing because they’re off their meds. Psychiatry will always get away with what they’ve always gotten away with because the overwhelming majority of people are in general either too stupid or have too much riding on the idea that any of this is real, or both. Nothing will ever change, and no one who hasn’t been through it will ever understand what it’s like to be the target of psychiatric abuse.

    My mother and I don’t speak. She’s dying. The last phone conversation we ever had, she found it necessary to remind me that I was “mentally ill”.

  • Like when the doctor said, “You have borderline personality disorder? That’s why the ECT didn’t work”? Or the other “Dr” who said “at some point you’re just going to need a complete personality makeover”. Or the other”Dr” who called me”malicious “? I could easily go on.

    How about all the doctors who call patients non-compliant, lacking awareness, having poor judgment and whatever other criticisms they can come up with to put in the patient’s medical record to make sure the patient will never have a voice or credibility and never be able to defend themselves in a medical situation even if it’s life or death? That kind of critical?

    The doctors who forced drugs. “I’ve seen you off abilify. I’m prescribing 15 mg.”. What? From a person who’s not spent more than an hour and a half with me my entire life.

  • “most of the drive behind newsom’s new law is coming from people who have had a family member who they designated as mentally ill.”. Oh, great — the NAMI crowd.
    They’ve always been so helpful. /s

    “And also they say that they need to do this kind of remedy before mental illness causes people to become unhoused.”. This is terrifying. Well, the whole thing is.

    It doesn’t really seem like people want to be having these conversations (as in the article) at all. People in power are not going to sit down and have a debate or open their minds to what antisychiatry people are on about. They don’t need to — they figure, why give voice to, why come to the table for people when we can strip them of their rights (for their own good).

  • I agree. It is all up to them according to their whim, according to their self-interest. I was abused as a child. My two older brothers both had psychotic breaks before they turned 20. They got hospitalized. My parents actually spent a fortune, but of course it did no good because they were just labeled and drugged. By the time I reach my teens, I was a suicidal mess, but my parents decided that it would be too risky for them to have another mentally ill child, as the doctors had already questioned whether there was abuse happening in the home. So they denied it. They just said I was a spoiled brat looking for attention, that I was inherently bad. The high school guidance counselor saw there was something wrong with me and made several calls to my parents over a period of months telling them that I needed treatment. They ignored the phone calls. I dropped out of high school in junior year. At that point, the board of Ed started paying for me to see a psychiatrist once a week. She immediately put me on Elavil. I saw her for a year, once a week, took the Elavil as prescribed, graduated on time and then immediately found out that she was ending treatment since the money train was stopping. The board of Ed stopped paying and she knew that my parents wouldn’t, so she just dropped me, goodbye good luck, no word on what to do if I needed help even though I was still living in an abusive environment, no word as to what to do about the elavil. That fall I called her from my dorm room at college and told her I was suicidal. It was the first time I’d spoken to her since she dumped me. Next thing I knew there were cops at my door and they took me away to a locked psych ward and Providence Rhode island. I was kept there overnight, didn’t see a doctor, and out on the street the next day. I finished out the terrible year at school and then spent the summer in hell in my parents home. I can’t remember what went on that summer but knowing my mother she was probably telling me to kill myself like all the time. She’s evil. That August I took the entire bottle of Elavil that had been lying around for a year and a half. My parents couldn’t call an ambulance because there had already been too many ambulances in police at our house because of situations with my brothers. So they carried me into my father’s car and drove me to this s*** hospital that didn’t have records on our family already. My mother insisted to the ER doctors that I was not depressed and there were no problems in the family. They pumped my stomach, put charcoal down my throat, I had tubes in my nose, I couldn’t speak and there was my mother telling the doctors what a complete spoiled brat I was. Well apparently the doctor believed her because he didn’t even question why I had a prescription for Elavil. He had a demonic look on his face as he ripped the tubes out of my nose.
    They force help on people when they don’t need it, they deny people help who are begging for it. They are the most selfish self-interested evil and titled money grubbing horrible people I’ve ever met in my life. The only reason I hope that there is any kind of an afterlife is the glimmer of hope I feel about them being punished for how they treated me. They sentenced me to a lifetime of hell.

  • I’m sorry about the above comment. I don’t have any issue with people writing books. I’m going through hell at the moment with family issues that are exponentially more tragic than they would have been if the mental health system didn’t exist. I’ve tried looking for support outside of the system but it’s all rejection and, “That sounds clinical. We don’t do clinical. Have you consulted a therapist?”. Absolutely maddening — anything is “clinical” if people want it to be. There are very few problems that, when discussed, don’t lead to a “Have you seen a therapist?”. Like they’re magic people.

    Anyway, sorry for the above. Misdirected anger.

  • Another professional with a book deal?????

    Making money off fraud. Making money off the suffering of patients whose lives were destroyed.

    I can’t even get help with the monumental damage that 35 years of drugging and ECT and being shamed and blamed by so-called professionals did to me. I’m just a disabled old woman on Medicare and social security disability. No one is going to bother to help me. But great somebody else got a book deal. What a joke.

  • Yep, it’s obvious from the comments section of that article that the “professionals” just want to dig in their heels and blame everything under the sun except for their own “treatment practices”. Some of the psychiatrists commenting are accusing the NY Times of having an “anti-psychiatry bias”, which couldn’t be farther from the truth. The fact that they put this article on their front page just shows how big the problem is (and that even privileged, college bound teens with “good” parents aren’t safe from being poly drugged.)

  • Funny, I just looked it up, too. I saw a news item about the new drug and got curious. You were right — it’s Robitussin, and it is Robotrippin.

    Here’s a typical PSA about the dangers…
    https://www.embarkbh.com/substance-abuse/robotripping-a-guide-for-parents-of-teens/#:~:text=What%20Is%20Robotripping%3F,in%20doses%20higher%20than%20recommended.

    The message is always about how dangerous drugs are (amphetamines, ketamine, now this) until they’re prescribed by a psychiatrist.

  • I was reminded of this article today. I wish they would do a study on how the mental health system causes intergenerational trauma. My family is a textbook case. I’d be happy to be interviewed about it. There was severe trauma and dysfunction going on in my household for years before I presented to the system as suicidal. I was treated like a spoiled brat looking for it attention. No help for you, brat! It was documented. Police at our house, both of my brothers hospitalized with psychosis on multiple occasions. There was no help then. I guess I was supposed to find it on my own but I had no idea how to navigate the world, I had no skills, there was no internet. I think overdosing on a bottle of Elavil seemed to me like the most clear way to either ask for help or be done with it all. But I didn’t get either. I didn’t get help and I didn’t get released from the pain. And 20 years later, when I have my own money, I have my own insurance, they do electric shock on me and then tell me it didn’t work because I had borderline personality disorder. My son was almost fully grown at that point. In the interim, I asked for help so many times and never got so much as a parenting class. The sickness in my entire family destroyed his childhood.
    My adult son is in terrible pain and I am very worried about and frightened for him. He has expressed to me that he has been suicidal for long periods of time and is currently. He has tremendous physical pain, chronic.
    He says he learned it from me, the suicidality, and I know he is right. He tells me things lately about the way I behaved when he was a child, things that I had blocked out, and they are awful. Where was the system, before and after I had my son? Before and after, I begged for help over and over again and was repeatedly mocked, abused and dismissed. I blame myself. I also blame the system and several so-called treatment providers whose faces and tones of voice still haunt me. The nurse on the locked psych ward when I was pregnant, reminding me that I was a little b**** every time there was no one else in earshot. They were so cruel. It’s beyond hubristic for anyone in the system to even publish a study like this and implicitly give the system a pass. They should be asking, what is our part in this? What is our systemic pathology? How do we treat people who are suicidal? Do we ask them what’s going on at home? Do we ask them what has happened to them to make them feel that way? No but we’ll do a study about how borderline pathology gets passed on to another generation. Give me a break!

  • ‘The Best Tool We Have’ for Self-Harming and Suicidal Teens https://nyti.ms/3CxJeSQ

    Well, the paper of record loves DBT. Of course they do. And they still call psych drugs “medications.”

    This whole article talks about DBT for suicidal teenagers. Says nothing about, say a middle-aged woman whose pain was mocked invalidated and ignored by the system for 30 years and who only wound up in DBT after getting a borderline diagnosis because she failed to improve after ECT treatments (“You have borderline personality disorder. That’s why the ECT didn’t work. You need dialectical behavior therapy.”)

    I remember sitting in DBT group at the IOP. I was definitely not the oldest woman in the group. Women who were in their 50s and 60s, closer to the age that I am now, were often extremely resistant. I didn’t understand it, but I do now. DBT wants to treat everyone like a teenager. They want to pretend that it’s possible for everyone to have a life worth living (“It’s not too late!”)
    And then they blame people whose lives are in shambles — likely were not only abused as children but then abused for decades by a broken and brutal system, and often passed on that trauma to their own children — for not working hard enough on the skills, for being untrusting, for being unwilling. It’s bad enough telling a teenager that you’re not going to address the past, that the past is irrelevant, that they just need to learn skills and focus on the moment. It’s something else to tell that to someone who’s been through decades of hell.

    But the New York Times is obviously not interested in anything except “studies show” how more DBT is desperately needed, more psychiatrists are desperately needed.

  • “When I was seeing patients, I never used the chemical imbalance theory, but instead that serotonin seemed to be increased in the brain with SSRIs.”

    I’m very confused. Your comment is incredibly confusing grammatically, including that it seems to be omitting words. There should be a word or phrase after “instead” and before “that,” for that sentence to make sense. Examples might be:

    Explained

    Told patients

    Assumed

    Guessed

    Conjectured

    If you told patients, or if you just assumed, that serotonin seem to be increased with SSRIs, how did you *not* use the chemical imbalance theory? Did you say, I don’t believe serotonin has anything to do with mood however I’m going to prescribe something that seems to increase serotonin in your brain…. just because”?

  • In my case, when I landed in DBT at age 40 after being disabled by ECT, which happened after I was called treatment resistant, I was told I had treatment resistant depression because I hadn’t responded to years of drugging with SSRIs, Klonopin and then Adderall. The doctor just said to me, “you have borderline personality disorder. That’s why the ECT didn’t work. You need dialectical behavior therapy.”

    When I wound up in DBT, at that point I had a 16-year-old son, there was tons and tons of damage, tons of incredible trauma. When I was a teenager and my problems in living first appeared, they were completely ignored and I was treated like a spoiled brat. I made a serious suicide attempt at age 19 and beyond having my stomach pumped and tubes stuck in me, it was completely ignored. I begged and begged and begged for help and only was met with abuse. They just considered me as someone spoiled who was looking for attention even though the family history showed very clearly that there was something extremely wrong.

    And then when I started DBT at age 40 they were very adamant about their belief that the past didn’t matter, that they are not going to talk about the past. They said you only have to learn skills and you will recover. They said, you might decide later on that you want trauma therapy but you do that on your own. That’s not what DBT is about.

    Now most of the DBT programs have a trauma component but I was denied entry to the trauma program. I fully believe this is because they considered me a failure. And of course they didn’t take into account all the abuse I experienced as a patient while in the DBT program.

    Now I’m 56 years old, have no family, a son who I am completely out of contact with except for the occasions when he decides to text me and remind me what a horrible useless person I am. I haven’t worked in years.. I don’t even have an emergency contact. I really don’t have any options beyond get through one day to the next completely on my own. I can’t even approach anyone representing the system, like a an internist or something, because they won’t believe me and will just tell me to do more treatment. I had to stop seeing the most recent internist because she wanted me to look for an internal family systems therapist and ketamine clinic that I would pay out of pocket for. I can barely pay my rent.

    The DBT therapists I saw made multiple statements that I was too much, that I was failing, that they were in over their head with me. One of them asked me, “do you want to keep going around in circles?” Like it was all my fault. Like the system doesn’t lead people in circles. That was the same therapist who asked me if I wanted to wind up completely alone because I wouldn’t give the benefit of the doubt to an abusive therapist.

    I don’t know what they expected honestly. They live in a fantasy world and get angry when you try to wake them up. Then they start threatening ECT. That was my experience.

  • It’s all coming back to me now!

    There’s also a DBT core assumption, “Patients may not have caused all of their problems, but they have to solve them anyway.”. I think the belief on the part of the DBT therapists is that patients’ problems are mostly due to their ineffective coping mechanisms, their problem behaviors etc. So, if patients stop behaving in problematic ways, their problems will disappear. This is so far from the truth for so many people who wind up with that diagnosis and in DBT.

    Or maybe the DBT therapists believe that the patients will be able to use distress tolerance and radical acceptance indefinitely, once they have stopped engaging in problem behaviors and their life problems have not gone away.

  • It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic that psychiatrists would try to shift attention to ECT in order to distract from the reality of SSRIs being exposed.

    If I’m understanding it right, the message was that if SSRI antidepressants don’t work, there is still psychotherapy and ECT treatments, which if a patient engages in all three, they will have an 80% chance of remission/cure for depression (which is biologically based it goes without saying)? In my case, engaging in all three treatments (plus some extras like antipsychotics, and different labels) resulted in permanent disability.

    Thanks again, Mr. Whitaker.

  • Yeah, therapy interfering behavior is more important than anything quality of life. In my case and in many others, there was always some treatment interfering behavior that needed to be addressed. Because treatment included whatever the psychiatrist wanted the patient to be doing (which drugs, what doses, whether they needed to go into the hospital or not, take a drug test, etc), and then of course the needs of the DBT team,… there was always something that they wanted a patient to be doing differently, and then in the IOP DBT program I attended, we were required to have an outpatient therapist. That was a huge target because there were so many terrible outpatient therapists (we had a small pool to pick from: therapists who were accepting patients, who took our insurance, which was usually Medicare or Medicaid, therapists who had an office that we were able to physically get to, therapists who were willing to take on a patient with a borderline diagnosis who’s in an IOP DBT program) but if you wanted to quit seeing them, that was therapy interfering and even if they did relent and let you stop seeing a therapist, then the discussion would immediately turn to, you need to find another therapist, have you looked for another therapist yet? It was never ending.

    This is the basic rundown:

    In DBT there are 3 categories of targets which are prioritized respectively: life-threatening behavior, therapy-interfering behavior, and quality-of-life-interfering behavior. Imminent and upcoming risk takes precedence for discussion over past patient behavior and urges.Oct 5, 2021
    https://psychotherapyacademy.org › …
    The DBT Hierarchy: Prioritizing Treatment Targets – Psychotherapy Academy

  • I really wish I could go back in time, armed with this information! I knew there was something wrong, my gut was telling me…but between the ECT, psych drugs, and the intense pressure to comply (which, of course, having a borderline diagnosis, the message is that if you’re not in intensive treatment, you’re just a bad person and you’re going to ruin everyone’s life), it’s so hard to see everything for what it is. Even the language, the whole concept of willingness vs willfulness…it was used to get patients to agree to things they absolutely didn’t want to do. And then of course there was “treatment interfering behavior”, which was a top target of the DBT therapists. It went suicide (suicide was the highest priority) and then treatment interfering behavior, which was considered a higher priority than self-harm, substance abuse, or quality of life issues. Treatment interfering behavior could be, “I find this outpatient therapist to be abusive. She has already done several things that hurt me including calling me malicious. She makes me come three times a week because she wants to milk me for as much money as possible, and she never gives me the same time slots. Every week it’s three appointments with whatever random time slots on whatever day she chooses according to her own schedule.”. And they would be like, “This is treatment interfering that you don’t want to continue working with your outpatient therapist when what you need to do is do a Dear Man to the therapist where you express your needs. You can work on a Dear Man in skills group. Are you willing to do that?” (And then after you deliver the Dear Man to the abusive therapist or whoever it may be, and nothing changes, then you just go to distress tolerance, radical acceptance etc).
    In this way I got stuck in an abusive relationship with an outpatient therapist three different times. I wasted so much time money and energy, all because I was trying to be willing and not willful. Be a good little DBT patient. Oh the other thing was that they made me put a line on my diary card, under problem behaviors, “arguing with treatment providers”. Every day I had to say what was my urge to argue with treatment providers from 1 to 10, and star it if I actually did the behavior. And then that would get discussed in diary card review. I was still completely alone with all the same problems I had come into DBT with. They just gave me a boat load of new problems, like dealing with abusive treatment providers, and dealing with being on toxic drugs, that I didn’t have before DBT.

  • Very disturbing, and looking back, every time I was pushed to give the benefit of the doubt, my gut instinct had been right:. My mind / intuition was trying to protect me but DBT said, no, you’re being paranoid, you need to trust your treatment providers if you want to get well. I was even asked by one DBT therapist during one of these conversations, “do you want to wind up completely alone?”. The message being, my inability to trust people, my “paranoia”, was going to lead to me being completely alone. Actually I did wind up completely alone but more because of psychiatry-induced damage than my non trusting nature.

  • Another skill that I was told I needed to use more of in DBT, in addition to radical acceptance (of the abuse I’d been subjected to in “mental health treatment”) was “benefit of the doubt”. As in, “put aside your paranoid ideas about this therapist / psychiatrist, and tell yourself that they are only there to help you, they will never hurt you, and if by chance they hurt you, it was not their intention.”. Giving the benefit of the doubt to these people was one of the biggest mistakes I ever made, and I made it repeatedly because pretty much everyone around me was brainwashed/brainwashing me into believing that this was help.

  • I definitely noticed that. The left leaning media, if they even report on the latest news of psychiatry fraud, find ways to dismiss it or mock it (and they always have to include bs remarks in their “reportage” like “of course psychiatric medications have been life-saving for many…” as if that’s something that’s just agreed upon). I used to consider myself a liberal but no more. I don’t care about causes trumpeted by people who don’t care about me or my basic rights. The left does not care about mental patients. They believe in human rights for everyone, except those who’ve been diagnosed as mentally ill.

  • So well said! I agree one hundred percent.

    I would add that these drugs should no longer be prescribed to children. No one who is under the age of consent should be given psychiatric drugs as children are incapable, due to not being of age, of giving informed consent. Just like they’re not able to drive, or vote, or consent to sexual activity. And since the child is the one being made to ingest the drugs, I don’t think that a parent/guardian should be qualified to provide informed consent on the child’s behalf. Maybe if the parent wants to take the drug first for a long period of time, then they will have a real understanding of what that drug does, and then they will be qualified to provide informed consent on behalf of their child. I would say the period should be at least a year of being on the drug in question.

  • Thank you for this information! It is indeed sobering. I was somewhat aware of all of the Cymbalta lawsuits being repeatedly dismissed…which says a lot. I’ve probably been on and off 35 or 40 different psych drugs, and Cymbalta is in a class of its own in terms of the suffering it can cause.

    I think in some ways what Psychiatry has done is the perfect crime. There is no way for someone who has already been deemed a mental patient, as you point out, to prove or even convince a majority of people from the general public, that their suffering and symptoms were caused by the drugs they were prescribed (without being given informed consent) and not their “inherent mental illness.”

  • Thank you, Anna. Your story mirrors mine in many ways. We were never “mentally ill”… just needed some support and understanding. At the very least, I hope that this website and others like it serves as a repository for all of the stories of people who’ve suffered in this inhumane/inhuman system. Maybe 50 years from now, historians will write books about how atrocious this whole thing was — the labeling, the drugging, the ostracization, based on almost zero information about the person they are purporting to help. The way they write books about lobotomies and asylums now.

  • Penni, it sounds like a huge undertaking to create such a document, and I definitely see how it could be a helpful introduction for people to the reality of the mental health system.
    I may be cynical, but in my experience, there is a problem not only with educating people about the problems with the system — there’s also the equally large problem of people not wanting to know, of people rejecting information that goes against their long held beliefs/assumptions. This was very apparent to me recently, with the release of the study showing that depression wasn’t caused by low serotonin. I noticed, reading articles and comments online, that a lot of people reacted with anger to this study, and sometimes mocked it (an article in Rolling Stone that focused on right wing media and conspiracy theories rather than the plain information that serotonin deficiency does not lead to depression, and what that means as far as the mental health system was a case in point). I find that even people who have been harmed by the system can be very resistant to hearing anything different than what they’ve been told for decades. I also had my eyes opened by Anatomy of an Epidemic. After I’d finished reading it, I was having tea with a neighbor (a person who had been diagnosed at age 20 with schizophrenia, put on a high dose of Haldol or thorazine, hospitalized for a year, and had more recently been rediagnosed with bipolar disorder, and was still on psych drugs, just different ones) and I talked at length about what I had learned from the book. My neighbor got very quiet, and we said good night. A few days later, she told me that I had made her extremely upset with the things I’d said, to the point that she binge ate after I left her apartment. Then she said to me, “I think it’s important for people to tell you the effect that you have on them.” (In my mind, this was a not very subtle reference to my diagnosis, borderline personality. She was blaming me for trying to share information with her about what I learned.)

    I hope the document is read by people who have the power to change things, and I hope that they are willing to put in the time to learn more.

  • SSRIs are very widely available and have been for many years, along with a host of other psych drugs. If they worked, there wouldn’t be a crisis. (assuming you’re talking about the “crisis of mental illness” that mainstream media talks about).

    A class action lawsuit would not necessarily take SSRIs off the market or cause them to be any less available than they are now. A class action lawsuit would be to get the makers of the drugs and perhaps the psychiatric establishment to acknowledge that they have lied about the drugs for decades and harmed patients. The lawsuit would be to make the drug makers and doctors give informed consent.

  • I keep wondering about the attorneys who took on Purdue Pharma over Oxycontin and the other drug companies that marketed opiates based on lies.

    It seems like taking on SSRI manufacturers over false claims of their mechanism of action and failure to provide informed consent, etc, the lawsuits would utilize some of the same strategies? I wonder if the successful class action suits against Purdue, etc, have established precedents for suits against psych drug makers?

    I’m also wondering if not only the pharma companies but the FDA could be held liable for failure to warn consumers of the risks, etc?

  • I will continue to make blanket statements about DBT. The reason I feel that it is valid for me to make blanket statements about DBT is that the fully certified DBT therapist who I saw for a year, who I was referred to by another fully certified DBT therapist, was not following protocol. She was not in consultation from the moment she took me on as a patient and when I brought this up to her she blamed it on me and told me that she wouldn’t need consultation if it wasn’t for me, that all her other patients did fine without her being in consultation.
    For a treatment that makes as big a deal as DBT does about being evidence-based, the gold standard, adhering to a very specific protocol, etc, it is hugely hypocritical to allow a fully certified DBT therapist to behave in this manner. I did go to the governing board of DBT with this problem which they refused to speak to me about. In this way I learned that it was not just a problem with this one therapist, it is a problem with the entire organization. They don’t stand behind the claims that they make, and if a patient gets harmed by a DBT therapist’s refusal to follow protocol, they don’t care. They refused to address the situation. So, this is a problem with DBT as a whole.

  • Thank you for continuing to expose psychiatry’s fraudulent behavior, Mr. Whitaker.

    There is the “serotonin deficiency causes depression and we have drugs to fix that” lie that in my experience was the first lie in a series of lies that led to me being permanently disabled. I don’t think I’m alone in this. When I didn’t respond to Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, etc, my diagnosis was changed from depression to treatment resistant depression and I was sent for a consultation with a colleague of the psychiatrist who’d been dragging me for 6 years. That psychiatrist said that because of my treatment resistant depression, he recommended ECT. When I inquired about the possibility of cognitive impairment, memory loss etc from ECT, he told me that he had never had a patient who experienced memory loss following ECT.

    After the ECT, I was impaired, greatly, and had severe short-term memory loss to the point that I could no longer perform at work. At that point the psychiatrist who had performed the ECT treatments told me that the ECT hadn’t “worked” because I was not depressed after all but instead I had something called borderline personality disorder. At that point, I was kept on antidepressants (which made no sense after being told that I wasn’t in fact depressed but instead had a personality disorder), but I was already getting the message very strongly that questioning the doctors would not lead to anything good. I was kept on the antidepressants but antipsychotics were added to the regiment as well as mood stabilizers. At that point the prevailing logic was that there was no drug for borderline but there were drugs to treat the symptoms. I started a DBT program and almost everyone I knew in that program was on a cocktail of psychiatric drugs.

    When I think back on the years I spent in treatment, I try to pinpoint the moment that I realized it was all made up. Everything they were telling me was a lie. There were so many moments like that, but I was so desperate from the damage they had already done and everyone in my life kept pushing me back to treatment over and over again and denying me any form of support, I didn’t feel that I had a choice but to continue.

    At one point a DBT therapist and a psychiatrist told me together that I needed to go inpatient for an ECT consultation. They happened to be close colleagues of the psychiatrist who had done the ECT that disabled me years before and who had told me that it didn’t work because I was not depressed but borderline. I explained this to them, explained the history, in as clear and uncertain terms as I possibly could. I saw that it didn’t matter. Logic didn’t matter. History didn’t matter. I saw that they just said whatever they needed to say in the moment to suit their own interests. That’s how it had always been. Lies on top of lies.

    The mainstream media seems to have a problem reporting on the reality of psychiatry. Eventually, they did real reporting on the causes of the opiate epidemic, but it doesn’t seem like they’re prepared for a reckoning regarding the epidemic of death and disability caused by psychiatry. Maybe because the mainstream media played such a huge role in spreading the lies.

  • How long will it take before the people who love DBT come here and blame people who were harmed by it? I’m guessing not very long. “You didn’t try, you didn’t listen to the treatment providers, maybe you were too tough a case, they’re not perfect, did you do the homeworks? Did you learn the skills? DBT saved my life and you are not allowed to say anything bad about it. Marsha Linehan is a saint.”
    Heard it all before.

  • DBT is as big as scam as anything else in the mental health system. A fully certified DBT therapist who I was sent to by another fully certified DBT therapist, was not in consultation the entire time I was in treatment with her. She colluded with a psychiatrist to pressure me into going inpatient for more ECT treatments even though I explained to them in no uncertain terms that the ECT I’d already had had disabled me and that the doctor who performed it, their close colleague, had said that it hadn’t worked because I was borderline. I tried to report that she wasn’t in consultation from the start. I talked to her about it. I talked to the referring fully certified DBT therapist about it. I went to the higher-ups, the DBT certification board or whatever it’s called. Apparently they don’t speak to patients. And yet they collect fees from all their therapists every year under the guise of needing these funds to ascertain whether their certified therapists are still adhering to protocol. But nobody was checking to see if this woman was in consultation or anything else she was doing. She dumped me without any notice at the end of a year of absolute hell during which she spent 85% of the sessions talking about where she was going to send me for treatment. One week she would talk about McLean another week someplace in Philadelphia. She pressured me into applying to a place called the Parents Foundation which I couldn’t afford. After I went through the entire application process I was laughed at and mocked by the admissions director because of my diagnosis. The DBT therapist hadn’t checked to see whether the people with the borderline diagnosis were welcome at the parents foundation. They were not welcome. It was a year of wasted time wasted energy and wasted money. She never missed an opportunity to blame me and shame me. She said that she was validating my shame, like that was her job. Unbelievably destructive. I’ve never recovered.

  • Case in point, the below was just copied and pasted from the Project Let’s website, on a page that makes it seem like they have crisis support available and that there is an intake form, but then there is no intake form. When you click on the link that looks like the link for the intake form you get nothing.

    This is irresponsible and runs a very real risk of re-traumatizing people. I have run into similar situations with Wildflower Alliance. Probably the worst thing you can do to someone who has been abused, traumatized and sickened by the mental health system is to offer support that doesn’t exist. Maybe for people who are in their 20s and 30s and still have some energy left, or people who have family or other resources, and some time to figure things out, this could work (I was told by someone at the Wildflower Alliance that it takes years to find support in Western massachusetts. Not everyone has years). If there is no support service don’t advertise on your website that there is. Someone might actually take you seriously and then use whatever energy they have left to relocate only to be disappointed and rejected once again. Don’t say that there are people who will go to the doctor with you. It’s not true and it’s extremely irresponsible.

    Project Lets

    CRISIS SUPPORT
    Crisis situations often stem from multiple unaddressed issues with a person’s ability to exist comfortably in their environment. Whether you are in crisis, approaching crisis, or supporting someone in crisis — slow down, take a moment to sense what is happening in your body, and remember that you do not need to navigate this alone.

    I need immediate crisis support.
    PROJECT LETS PEER SUPPORT SERVICES:

    Fill out and intake form.

  • “know that the psychiatric survivor network is here to help you heal.”

    I have found this to be untrue… for myself. I tried accessing support from several of the resources listed, and was made to feel inadequate, wrong, and a burden. I was told by one of these agencies that if I wanted support I should contact the Social Security Administration, an answer that was in direct conflict with the support and advocacy services listed on their website. I also encountered people who bought into the stigma around borderline and people who suggested that what I needed was more treatment.
    Project Let’s advertised a psychiatric survivor workshop, then said it was postponed and they would be in touch with the people who signed up,…that was the last I heard. I emailed them 3 days ago to ask if there were any updates and I have not heard anything back.

    Some of us are truly alone after enduring the horrors inflicted by this system. In my case, those lasted 40 years and I have no confidence that I will never be harmed again by the system. I am aging alone without family, friends or support of any kind and I am terrified. I wonder who these resources are designed to help.

  • I could come up with a bunch of theories and hypotheses too but I’m not about to call myself a doctor and Drug people based on my made-up theories and hypotheses and then tell patients it’s their fault when they get worse and that they are treatment resistant and that everyone else responds excellently to my drugs and maybe it’s time for some ECT.
    This line of thinking makes me want to puke. Psychiatrists need to admit that they’re not real doctors, they have never been real doctors, they just play at science, play at medicine (take money from Big pharma) and are never held accountable for their lies and destruction of lives.