Sunday, May 28, 2017

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  • That’s so right- perfect- Fiachra- what you said there- dont know if ive ever seen everything that needs to be said in three lines- done so well. i think the suitable person is a really big part of the get well be well plan too- and i think if you had super clinics with twenty heads- on screens down a long hallway- all telling stories about themselves- what their into-a bit of casual lingo– etc-to pick from- as in who you feel you’d click with- like the most- top three to pick from- that’s where id want to go anyway- if i had a few mill id get the coolest dudes and make it happen i reckon-:-).

  • I threatened to kill them if they went near my loved one with ECT- stating that if they did it- they might kill them- and that the only way to fight that- fairly- was with the same threat- mind you i would never do that- just felt so despaired- that was my only chance-so- they just doubled- then tripled the poison- 117 days of full on poison abuse- and trauma- when an average stay is 40 days at the most- couldn’t and would never ever go to a kangaroo court tribunal again-unless you just want to get extremely upset- cause that’s all they ever do to anyone- reallly- really- depress them- its like going to be assaulted- for being assaulted- i would advise no one to ever go to a tribunal- their a real health hazard- similar to asking a government run bin for a second opinion- people just don’t realise- they all work together- for the same boss- who gives them permission to abuse people free will- as if they’re going to go against their bosses- and their work buddies- themselves basically- anyway there ya go- they killed me and my loved one off- and now were too scared to do anything- complain- nothing.- just to live oppressed and drugged- and try to handle it. I have to shut up or they get them- they have to shut up -or they get them.

  • Great article- i think half of its anti – misery view- the anti authority -is in- not being able to do misery or sick- people brought up to reject misery- are instilled- almost with a fear- of misery view- practicing it- is simply out of the question- or the equation- of getting and being well–getting and being real- therefore- anything that goes against that learning- premise- positive outlook-is- insane- and bad.

  • Jail would be- a way more better place- to do time- than a bin- 99/100– without a doubt- at least you’d be alive inside- still be able to laugh loud and hearty – walk- talk- relate normally- feel normally- be normally- un drugged- fogged – outside of not being free to come and go- but the main reason would have to be- that your punishment times- over- when you get out- theirs takes you oppressively to your grave- on CTOs- and never being able to withdraw from what just brings you down- without going mad-especially when its forced and your intolerant- way better than what mental health or psychiatry’s got for you- that’s for sure- in fact i reckon id do twice the time – lets say an average 3 months in facility care- and then a CTO till your grave- id do two years in jail happily- rather than anything like that mental health/psychiatric misery.

  • Wow – Great insight– Artemisia, and such a nice way to explain all that. -Even the same for the person on the street– the fear if they dont buy in- where and with whom does it leave them in the event of – either them or a loved one.. becoming..what society thinks- imagines- believes- is informed- is/ or could be-or are mental illness-es-.- still i think you kinda covered that with someone – i guess being anyone- yeh it says so much in only a few lines too- and very fair- i like that- fairs- really- important. Thanks for the lesson in that- as well. now I’ve just gotta- try and keep reminding myself to practice – :-).

  • Great article- thanks heaps – very enlightening- well written too–Ive got quad polar – beat that- (up and down- bi-polar)- (up- down- back- forward- quad polar)- (up down- back forward- left right- hexa-or sexa- polar)- (around in circles -octo polar) —

    Bi- winning, Bi- OK,_ Bi- guidance- Bi-some hope and help- Bi- cognitive based therapies– Bi- life as a roller-coaster- Bi ups and downs, Bi –reality, Bi –a plan, and a recipe-Bi- empathy, Bi- learn that all unwell, has a reason, and requires you, to Bi- time, for you to learn, and to overcome, temporary insecurities, called immaturity.
    don’t bi- a poison, don’t bi- an illness, don’t bi-sick, don’t bi-sick seeing views, don’t bi- helplessness, and hopelessness, don’t bi- a crippling tag.

  • hang on Paisley- your happy- im not- doesn’t your being happy- hinge on my- being not happy- in the same way you speak of that effect in your example– – im happy with happy- im not with unhappy- do they or you feel the same way- conversely- does my not liking beer- make all the beer drinkers feel crap – and so i should shut up about my dislike for it. because its going to upset the beer drinkers. man i think people are the same over generally- if your happy im happy- if your not im not. generally. And your talking about believing in people and what afflicts – them- like- that really matters.

  • Feeling dark gloomy and lost- in amongst a darkness of thought and emotion— obviously needs- light – all i get in my mind -and thoughts – visual- are a small group of psyches chuckling – giggling away- after having made sure all the lights are off- and their crouched- watching behind a cover- the person- who needs the light to see- stumbling around in the dark- where they were once – free at least- and are now incarcerated in the dark- with no freedom.. that’s what it seems – feels like- looks like anyway. Unbelievable really. Thanks for a really good article.

  • No mate- nothing “neutral” about it- not when your calling me it- their isn’t- but what is obvious is “mental”—being the opening word or title- “that they- know of” –health or illness are the imaginary- Mental is the “real” the tag and title- and nasty name -they give to “what they think is”- ill or UN- healthy- ‘mentally’ or mental – is the the chicken before the egg mate- the main deal-. I cant believe that “three of you” would all stick together on slurring people because in my mind- its your trend- your thing- the “mental” health thing- we do “mental” health-illness- client- and whatever other word we can link “mental” to-arm in arm- that’s how im seeing your responses anyway.. and what really blows me away is that. of anyone. on the internet, I thought it was you guys. who would have been the most switched on. sensitive and aware. clued up. I thought you guys were the Gurus——- funny that.

  • I reckon you explained it pretty good– people know when their in trouble with drugs- even if troubles all they’ve got outside of them or with them-.- they still know who they are- what helps and harms them- what’s good and bad- they don’t stop knowing that- because its been taught/ and experienced from day one- in the home- in school- work and play They can deny it- but cant not know it- because they’ve mostly spent their whole lives-= without drugs- normal- as if they don’t know what effects drugs have on them- to them- and if they knocked on a facility door for help from them- a bad effect on them- they had insight- how does that insight turn into anasognosia- with other mind altering drugs- why are any mind altering drugs- any different in adversity- or the report of adversity- when bad feeling and thinking is why they turned up- its clearly hypocritical and abusive
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  • Hi AA–Yes your right in what your saying- but we can also go out and get dope- alcohol -cigarettes- heroin- speed- off -the local dealer- we cant stop the dealer dealing – just like we cant stop the chemist -or the people buying the drugs- in the same way we cant stop thieves thieving- or robbers robbing- or doctors suggesting them- but we should stop people forcing them down throats- and into bodies- especially knowing like everyone knows- that some drugs harm some people- their the people that matter way more than the others, that can leave, any time they want to. They’ve at least got a choice- and are free to take it or not- the others haven’t. Cheers mate just saying- great article Philip- love the way you say it all.

  • Good on you Jock- not everyone has a top odds psychiatrist in their court – or on their support team either- it’s not just a simple solution to pack up the family and move interstate- anyway that’s why people don’t just get away- escape- plus they’re always in hope each CTO will be the last- the withdrawal will be OK this time- but it never is for some- and they go back- but no one knows this – until they’ve been on the journey- merry go round- with mental health or psychiatry- when often its way too late by the time they realise this despair and abuse – they cant believe is till going on- “just doesn’t end”- but never too late we know- just could have been earlier-as in Garth’s case–they just live in hope and despair- like they always have since psychiatry got a grip on their loved one- until the years just roll on and past- and the hope dies off- and the despair just becomes way too overwhelming- and everyone’s in despair and traumatised by it all- no one more then the patient- but if you think about it that would mean thousands of people treated by mental health- in Victoria- would have to move to Queensland- and that just doesn’t happen– how easy would it be to move the whole family away from one American state to live in another- when you just cant believe in the way a state is treating you- still wouldn’t be easy- but easy to say when your not actually in that situation- and then you’ve got to get someone to help there- and get through the withdrawal thing that no one can- haven’t so far- or if they could have- would have- so yeh not so simple and easy- and like one writer said everyone’s a Garth in Victoria- not in such a violent way as Garth was treated– but much the same- and the other thing is they undermine the parents concerns and despair- as part of the problem-carers- who try to tell them to about their horrible drug side effects- and treatment of their loved ones- and some of those loved ones- start to believe them- or become unsure/ more insecure about themselves -and this so called mental illness- that “maybe they have got”- not saying that happens to all- but to some it does too- anyway theirs a lot to moving to another state or country to get what most people think should be happening at home- and to some extent might or hopefully will, they think and still hope- as their children mature, and learn to cope and manage better from that maturity- be able to withdraw much safer better successfully- without any interfering behaviours or party drugs in the mix- unhealthy company- things like that- easy to get trapped and stuck anyway- thanks for a great article- and for the update and relief about Garth’s new life and freedom. Cant wait for some time to pass- and for Garth to just keep on getting better- your all stars to me- Jock.- hangin for the movie.

  • Great article – thanks Noel- really like what you said– was just thinking though- if we contend current practices- what can we actually tell people to do, when for instance, their son/daughter, comes home in a psychosis- drug or otherwise- what should we tell them to do for help- help, they might think theyre gioing to need, because its all alien to them because they might feel theyre not going to manage, or cope- who- what type- where- what foods- herbs vitamins-advice- if they want to try themselves- can they- any ideas.

  • The thing is people don’t want to hear that the people they believe in- who they might just need at some time-or are abusive people-or aren’t the right people- or might not be-to fix them up -if they need them-somewhere in the future- and so they strike out at the messenger that makes them feel insecure about their understandings or beliefs- securitites- that in some ways help them feel secure or safe-and we might be trying to save them from the only sense of security they have.

  • I just know you say the word “mental” and we know what everyone thinks- gotta be real bout it-what it conjures up in a mind- I understand the words just a descriptive word- and harmless in the right place and context- to explain something- but because it has an associated imagery- and has been used derogatively- to explain mad- or say who’s mad- point at someone-for so long- throughout time- I don’t believe its helpful- yes their s mental in the mind-yes thiers mental out there- according to others views- imaginings-but why lay it on everyone in a name-by association- when it has that connotation- to many or most of us- that hurts those who have that in their minds and in their history- in the negative meaning of he word. And who some – because of that single word- feel discriminated -I mean their sick- their mad- and their mental…. great – thanks.

  • I think that at least 80% plus- first episode psychosis- turn up effected by drugs- and 79.9% get treated un- ethically-and diagnosed with one of three- schizophrenia- schitzo effective- or bi- polar- this is all standard and par for the course in Australian psychiatric facilities– and then id say that the figures would be pretty much the same for for all the returns- those predominately being – neoroleptic withdrawal psychosis- that gets called- your real mental illness relapse- back to your real mental illness-all a debilitating poisonous escape attempt- effect- that they’re all lying about together- arm in arm- heads on pillows-government and all- the boss of them- who owns the court your going to take them to..

  • This is so good this site- its like a smorgasbord of insight- all the comments were good-th Self Acceptance Psychology looks good too- -and that write-up information was like music to my ears- really spoke to me- I felt like id been to the doctors- everything was looked at and checked- and then had that feeling- like when your leaving and everything is OK – and your feeling really good- thats what it did for me anyway- you really put it all together in my opinion- like a really grown up- evolved- considerate- expose- on why healing and- healthy- non coercive- treatment- matters- explained in an easy going way to- understand- hear-and take- in-and on board -ive already focused on a trigger- and the ignition- now I just need to get into this integration- and see if I can stop it all – the trauma- blowing me out- spinning me out- in such an auto way-, :-)- seen myself in their– all of that- that’s for sure- thanks for all that, everyone- Thanks Ron.

  • Yes your right Robert- the language needs to be more inclusive -or all inclusive- with less attack- more sharing- not easy to do when a lot of people are in ongoing situations- languages change when the pains aren’t ongoing- when they’ve stopped or receded- when forgiveness can begin. that changes languages. So not not easy to actually do- we might need to make more of a conscious effort to love- or care for the people hurting us- turn the other cheek- a bit- regardless- because we are all -at -a place- on our own roads-paths of understanding- wisdom- But what you say is very true.

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  • What’s really needed is a government mind care facility- that offers natural healing care- by people who have overcome- and experienced the same effects- conditions-drug caused effects- similar circumstances-as those presenting- at facilities- for care.
    – not psychotropic – chemical management- the psychotropic only- potential adverse treating system- that we’ve got. I can tell you this much- if were waiting for them to wake up- and change- well be here for another decade- the people have to do it- take over the air waves and the care- something like the “Robert Whitaker” mind care facility– first episode psychosis centre- healing centre- etc etc- that’s what’s got to happen I think- and is something people really need- that they haven’t really got. We have to do it- because they’re not- haven’t- and just might never-in the meantime- people are still being adversely and forcefully drugged for a lifetime- for transient conditions- without a safe escape- or any escape- or a chance to escape what shouldn’t even be there in the first instance of care- for 9/10 drug induced psychosis effects- thinkings-imaginings- they’re effects and imaginings- not dormant mental illnesses waiting to get people- sneak up on them to stay-like some fairytale story- some highly imaginative ignoramus- psychiatric bad tripping- story.- by vested-trippers.

  • Lies -Abuse- Anger – are the three biggest causes of mind trouble- in my mind they are anyway- and just happen to be the very three things- psychiatry do really well- and cause- especially cause. and- That they will deny.- and lie about, to convince themselves, and others they aren’t, and don’t- more than likely.

  • Hi BPDT –who came up with the name “mental” health anyway- who’s idea was that!- Trevor’s was it- what were they sitting there, and going, how about we call it/us-mental illness- what’d reckon bob- it lets them and everyone know who they are- and how they are- yeh great idea Trev, lets go with that, I like it. its a winner.

    Is that how it happened? or came about.

    Isn’t it an illness of the mind- not of the mental- so much———- although- its the same thing- with the same intention- its stigmatising way less than “mental” is.

    Why even have mental in the name– mental is either truly -gene borne- or too much trauma- and the person who stares at the ground all day- or talks loudly to the world on a street corner- that’s mental- illness-when the majority of people treated- are mildly effected in comparison to that “mental” illness- and are way more mind troubled or ill- in reality- and would be far better off being addressed that way- and treated “that way” than the other way too.

    All in all– good for everyone involved.-“mind”- emotional- thinking-feeling- health- anything but “mental”– its a sad bad mad thinking- in itself-take it completely out of the equation I think.- its stigmatising to everyone on the planet- I think- I think it makes everyone feel bad- insecure.

  • Great article- The problem in trying to convince people- is that- in a way when we tell people of the dangers of psychiatry- its tricks and its medications- harms- they start to freak out- not just because it naturally scares them- but because they- like the majority with insecurities- might feel they “might need” -some care- about their own minds- down track- most of them have insecurities– but today- with psychiatry selling(forcing) its mental illnesses to/on the planet- most of those– have been created by psychiatry– and again they don’t know that either-so in effect- they don’t even realise- is a mind state they have -due to all the insecurity created by psychiatry- with its 500 – most highly imaginative-illnesses- sold to- and brought-by the entire world- and that- we are all- effected by– no one more than the insecure to start with- the people who haven’t looked at psychology- or ever done some real self soul searching–or analysis’s- don’t know what therapy is about- and are scared of it anyway- because it puts them- under a microscope- and their insecure- so psychiatry shifts all the real need and care- that scares most- to something that excuses a need to look at them- and what they do or dont do that has caused their insecurities- not mental illnesses- and so look and think – the chemicals story- not themselves-or the work and talk needed -to make themselves strong and well again-chemicals and biology- when they’re- and what they do- or look like- are just the result of unhealthy thinking- behaving bad-or some other social factors- or just insecurity– and transient- in a life- or on a life’s road-along the way/road- to find out- pain -joy-sadness-happiness- all part of the journey- for all of us- shifting the care need- from real- and in the light- or the truth- to synthetic- false- like a blanket over reality- in the dark- so instead of turning the lights on- they’re actually turning the lights off to the world- and the world is pulling the blanket they’re using/offering/selling/forcing over their heads- and buying it– blind. and in the dark- dependant on them- and the story they’ve been tricked by- just the way- the cult wants them to be and behave. And im starting to be convinced- these drug dealing- abusive doctors- actually believe their OK about what they’re doing- forcefully/bully style– then knowingly- onto -“long term adversity”- like for real.-, like that’s OK. I mean “who’s” really sick – the doctors or their patients.

  • It is- as is winning- and a lot more than just those things- I was commenting on why if anything it wasn’t being stopped- not whether anyone’s going to win or not. He was right but messed up the legalities– I don’t know about that in a legal language sense- but it wasn’t an independent venue or people- I know that much- it was the government – judge-psychiatrists-mental health authority- and defence lawyers- with bats in their hands- beating up their victim – with blood all over him. That’s how I saw -and see it.

  • Great article– thanks –I think this is the key- After having spent something like $10 million over the past twenty years only to wreck this man’s life, they could not take even one chance in a thousand that somebody else could achieve what they couldn’t. If they had let him come to Brisbane and he improved, they would be in serious trouble.— and quite clearly- im not sure if it was ever really about Garth at all.

  • Hi Lily– no im the johnnyb from Melbourne/aus– short for johnnybegood- just to remind myself- I like the b especially– it says be anything and more- but above all, be good. Good makes healthy thinking– and John a happy boy-bad creates it– I know that much– that’s why I keep telling people in trouble to go to their heart- where the truth-honesty and love reside. Sometimes I play around with it — johnnybebetterthangood- johnnybereallygood- johnnybexcellent- johnnybetheantspants- johnnybethis- johnnybethat– .
    yeh if there was some advertising about care that doesn’t coerce or oppress- incarcerate– drug you till you die– all that stuff- and all the right care– people might just start to knock on a different door- but they need that door today- rehabs take time appointments and commitment–that aren’t available without time- and mainly deal with long term stuff addictions– not so much first episode drug induced psychoses- and even though they can help it’s not what happens there- because of the time it takes to get there–in the meantime- an alternative is needed for those with no other options but the wrong door- they need to know where they can go- and if they cant– how to do it themselves- and have someone to help them do it–encourage them – teach them a bit about the language- the vitamins and food to give- the treatment regime- etc-etc- take the care away from the abusers-into the hands of families and people who wont abuse- but who will and can care ethically -and with love.

  • What’s needed is information for people- in regard to certain substance psychosis- all mind altering substances- varied side effects- the waylaying of drug induced thinking- language- the natural vitamins foods-list- natural relaxants sleepers- etc- to treat them- instructions for normal people- family -parents-friends- on how to do that- and advice about what to avoid- a psychiatric clinic for a starter– and confidence that they- can help- can make them OK– where’s that? I did one the other week somewhere- ill have to try and find it, or do another one myself. I just know that the biggest percentage of people knocking on the wrong doors- are kids-teens- young adults- investigating/ trying drugs with an attempt to either belong to a scene- or a group- and to ease emotional, thinking, over concern problems, temporary conditions- creating other temporary conditions on top of their temporary conditions- one recovery need requires abstinence- the other requiring words that ease and show the way of the past- the reasons- and the reasons and way forward from there– with a recipe– and some ongoing cognitive based care- they need to KNOW.

  • HI Kayla–I’m with you– People join to help people–and find out- their basically drug dealers/ turn keys- for finger pointing people- they joined to love people well- like most human beings with compassion will /would do to heal- and help- and find out none of that matters in mental health– because there just being force drugged sad- long term-so love as much as you like or can- the client– but knowing their being treated adversely to a grave— and staying within the system doing that is just supporting an abusive regime–who have tyrants leading– or running the show– so im wondering should they stay because– god knows the system needs their loving care- or go as a protest of that systems corruption/treatment to vulnerable young and troubled- from under privileged backgrounds- very often drug effected adults teens- suffering temporary conditions– easy enough to waylay, and then encourage, nurture well- by evolved people- but made permanent on forced long term psychotropics/poisons- by UN-evolved- finger pointing– well to do- academic green people– with a drug dealing agenda- anyway– its one thing to recognise the wrong and have no part of it–by leaving it- or not joining it-its another to see it and stay- and if they’re staying, they also need to speak up—- if they were, I’d support them- so what your saying might be right –if they were speaking up–but their not are they–the only people who talk about it are those hurt by it- and their loved ones– and some evolved caring people- positions of authority attract authoritative people–bullies- its time we started this royal commission- in recognition of the fact that bullies attract to positions of power/authority over others– and psychiatry is at the top of the ladder- both in complaints and bullies- they tend to go together–anyway hard to look for the good, any good, in such a bad evil run- drug dealing place- where no healing even happens– just management to an early grave– healing–the word-has only started to be used by them- and that’s because society has screamed it out for so long–at them- the ears have heard– they’re onto it– and are now using the word themselves– not because they’ve evolved like the rest of society, like they tell everyone -and pretend they now understand–because–and -get this-because “we are evolving too- just –and this really makes me feel ill- “like the rest of society” sorry the rest of society are- like- ten years ahead at least– and for these things to liken themselves to the rest of society just makers my blood boil– especially whilst at the same time they’re destroying more than half of their (victims)–lives, and their families-with ongoing-long term-adverse- debilitating drug abuse– the only reason were even here- if they didn’t force what they reckon saves lives- what over half their clients– the victims are saying is killing them- slowly maybe- but is killing them- their life- their body- their minds- with a little bit of help from the puppet nursing staff- who may know better- but says nothing about it-does nothing about it- because they too need to feed their families- funny that about feeding the family–in third world countries where people cant afford to even have a mental illness- let alone the medications to “fix” them- but for those who have been tagged– they don’t take the medication for -one they cant afford to be drugged on sleepy poisons when they have to work 14 to 16 hrs picking in a field of cotton–just to put food in their kids moths– so they cant afford to play the mad game– cant afford the mad pills- cant afford to be sleepy- cant afford not to work- and because of all that have a high eighty to low ninety% success rate– never return- healed-compared to our -80 to 90% failure rate- returns- managed. On that bit you said about–“I’m yet to hear of anyone being forced out, of weather working in, or receiving services in the mental health field.” I know someone who was kicked out– they were way to comfortable with their madness to be there–a bit like myself — except they added alcohol to their madness- which makes it closer to real- they manipulated all the doctors and patients– sent them all mad- and they couldn’t wait to get rid of her– they needed a holiday after that because she had blown their intolerant brains away– she was too much for them -I can/could handle and cope no worries- but for green people – it was way too much for them- they had to get rid of her or go mad themselves- they kept asking us to take her away-we said no–lol- we needed a break too- and we knew no matter what they gave her or did to her– it was water off a ducks back to her- she was way saner and madder than anyone out there- the problem was the alcohol- and they don’t like drunks–or people effected that way- another reason they wanted to rid her– anyway they kicked her out when they- and the other clients- couldn’t take anymore- she was way too switched on for them– and she was undermining them–successfully- to themselves and the clients– so yeh — we could–they couldn’t– which i always consider to be a bit of a victory- and always gives me a bit of a chuckle.

  • Hi John–another John here- thanks for your post– I can identify with exactly the same responses youve recieved– ive been writing for fourteen years– to everyone and anyone connected to psychiatry and mental health– heres just a few at a particular time during that fourteen years-
    Mary Woodbridge
    Robert Clark
    David Davis
    Nicola Roxon
    Attorney general–robert mclellan
    Mark Butler
    The Chief Psychiatrist
    The Health Services Commission
    Human Rights Commission
    Mental Health Review Committee
    Premier of Victoria
    DHS or Mental Health Services
    The Ombudsman
    Mental Health Legal
    Mental health Commissioner
    Department of health
    Department of health and ageing
    The Medical Board
    The Treating Doctor and the assisting doctor(the back up guy)
    (Their puppets)the mental health nurses association– doing the psyches dirty work
    RANZCP
    the prime minister
    Melbourne university(and all universities) psychiatric departments.
    The TGA
    Drug companies etc. thzat was when maybe we could have really saved her—now its a miracle thats needed.

    so as you can see i didnt just watch– I wrote to all those people to step in and help– even flew to canberra to meet with Nicola Roxon– and not one of them would help stop electrocuting at the time— they all just said basically –were sorry to hear– we sympathise– but we cant do anything-and wont— write to one of those twenty and talk to them–all exactly the same– these were letters about long term psychotropic adverse drugging-ECT-etc– drugging at all-seeing it was a temporay drug induced psychosis-speed psychosis–first time–a temporay condition– with an ethical treatment- requiring sleep from two to ten days- and- sleepers at the most-drug wise- good food- a course of multi vitamins and a massive dose of ascorbic acid-a peaceful loving environment- and the “waylaying” of drug induced thinking-encouragement-thats ethical treatment of speed psychosis- that not one psyche ward adheres to- and in spite of that psychosis lifting after- two to three days-slept off-have been tagged-adversely drugged-electrocuted-raped-bashed- restrained-straight jacketed- and incarcerated 12 times for “neuroleptic withdrawal psychosis” seen as and called -ever since– each time called a lie -a relapse back to your real mental illness–when theyve never had a mental illness– other that the mental illness withdrawal from psyhotropics -and the debilitating effects on it–the cause of any mind distress-or mind illness- to imagine anything outside of normal reaction-effect in withdrawal- in this case–the withdrawal psychosis- is a lie–so they lie and call whats clearly a withdrawal psychosis– a relapse– and if they’re lying every day at a psyche ward near you– right now- what makes anyone think theyre ever going to answer appropriately or tell the truth — when they’re clearly liars– anyway– the last letter after the last incarceration– i wrote to the premiers office about the chief and MHCC being corrupt – and in bed together-and not answering appropriately to the complaints-that i had written them– MHCC and the chief psychiatrist wrote their standard letters of —we sympathise, but wont, and cant do anything about it again,- which is what i explained in my letter as well–where i was saying they are basically, complicitly criminal-because of their response- anyway nearly two months had passed, and i still hadn’t gotten a response– so i rang them– i spoke to this bloke who said to me- ver batum– we rang the chief psychiatrist– and they said to the premiers office rep-the guy i was talking to—They’d heard it all before– so just dont answer him– thats what this guy told me– i couldnt believe it– anyway when i tried to growl at him for even speaking to them-let alone listening, and then taking advice from them- when my letter was specifically about them being complicitly criminal–he hung up–so i tried ringing back to ask him if he could just write that response to me– by answering my email- he again said he wouldnt– so i made a lot of noise about it again and again-lots of phone calls- and somehow it must have gotten back to him– and then i got an email –saying–Your correspondence has been referred to the Minister for Mental Health, the Hon Martin Foley MP, for a direct response.-for the third time mind you– anyway that was twenty days ago-this started end of nov 2015– and im still waiting–this was a brand new complaint– about the abusive and poor treatment of/at the last incarceration–specifically- there have been three of four incarcerations ive complained about over twelve years- in a big way– but were all individual complaints–for individual circumstances-different hospitals-different psyche wards-different doctors and people– and varied-all to some extent similar– but where isnt their similarities in a complaint about the same organisations-organisations make certain mistakes all the time-their is always similarities in complaints– but to say weve heard it all before- so fuck off–and tell someone else – is disgusting in any language or response-but is what you will laways get from mental health/psychiatry-standard-par for the course- either sorry to hear-we sympathise-tell this person–or silence–the third trick of psychiatry-sorry- and of a liar-the more you trap and ithdrawalexpose them fro their crimes-the quieter they get.

  • Management– is what they’re doing though-in reality– and what they’ve always done and hung their hat on– recovery is psychological healing and awareness–stolen- from psychology- in the late sixties early seventies–along with the care baton– so we were recovering–when that recovery was stolen– and turned into management– now the same thieves want to steal what they stole– or destroyed- in their beginning– which in effect was the late sixties early seventies– when all the rich people made it trendy because it excused all their faults for them– the owned the money and the press– and have been selling it ever since– which is why we’ve got such a sick planet and people- we’ve just spent the last thirty fourty years becoming it– thanks to government-psychiatry mental health and all the vested– sick and misery sellers.

  • Just wondering about the criminality in forcing drugs down throats with up to 3000 reported and known adverse side effects reflecting any mental illness known to humankind in them –ready to interfere-and the overwhelming probability of harm–is to me everything that’s wrong about the act that I call a crime– because common sense says, I can adversely be effected in 3000 different ways– why would I want that– take that type of risk– if their is a non-coercive and natural alternative–and why would anyone want to inject three thousand adverse effects into me–well ill tell you– its because they’re idiots and tyrants of the highest order– they cant waylay drug induced thinking because they don’t know what it is- have never experienced it– their straight(sheltered middle to upper class academics) and (quite plastic because of it)–( the last people to look after the attitudinal – been there done that knock about– who has knocked about a bit usually– been in the gutter for a splash ) their like aliens from another planet sitting in judgement on humanity–and poisoning those they think don’t fit the mould– but with the very conditions they’re suffering– easy to understand if you don’t know what your doing–or your plastic–sheltered- or you’ve decided like someone did a long time ago– that fighting fire with fire is the best you as an individual can do– because you cant connect with gutter people– so that’s what we end up with fools–fighting fire with fire-( a bit like hitting someone on the arm to take the focus off the leg– with a bit of funeral in it)-because they’re basically fools with no communication skills–and that’s a fact—ive met dozens and if they had a communication brain/skill between them I must have missed it–I was at home one Friday- late afternoon- when I got a call from one– hello– hello– im just ringing about so and so– oh yeah–what’s going on– yes yes, oh yeah-mind you i couldn’t hardly hear, or understand the language, and had to keep asking him to say again- i said– but what about this — silence– but what about that–silence– thirty to fourty questions, — still silence–mind you giving him at least 20 seconds between questions– In the end–1/2 an hour later later–I said listen mate –maybe ring me when you can talk–or are willing to answer me– if now’s not a good time– OK — ive got to get going now– so just an example of the communication skills– ive never met one different–not only that, they’re all from other countries and cant even speak or understand the language- or the nuances or local lingo– let alone be able to identify and relate– so alienated by an alien–alienated by a language-alienated by culture and class-alienated by the silence -alienated by a look- alienated by a poison-alienated by a finger pointing tag- and alienated in the world because of it all- anyway — that’s what im taking them to court for– the 3000 adverse side effects they’re forcing into my loved one– nothing else–simple and common sense wrong–“for some”–that they(psychiatry) admit to–and the fact, that that’s the reported complaint and crime — in a common sense value– they then must in common sense and decency– be ordered to slowly and carefully withdraw the 3000 mental illnesses in the forced adverse drugs-poisons– no where to go with that– a facts a fact–3000 of them–a probability/or potential fact is the same as the fact that comes from the reported adversity– its “is”– so its left probability and potential– to reality– the reported factual adversity– is real- because its matches all other reports of adversity– that these tyrants agree happens “to some”.. full stop–cant have it both ways– anyway how am I going to go? This is the report on the adverse effects–http://psychroachesadverseevent.blogspot.com.au/2009/03/zyprexa-adverse-reactions.html——————— you see to me if the judge and they want to make it about something else–then they’l both be dodgy together– and even if we lose in the court– we win in our hearts– so I don’t care how the court case goes– because we all know evil reigns in psychiatry and governments- as long as the people sitting on it are shown up for who they are in their decision– that might just have to do for now. Like one judge said when we took the external treating team– the CTO people- to court for calling my loved one derogatory — defamatory-names– which blew the court out, because no one had ever tried it before– anyway we both filled out statements– and then went before a judge–what the judge said was brilliant– the Judge was an older lovely lady–who listened and empathised- in the end she said –I agree with all of what you’ve both said– but- I’m sorry– ” I cant legislate decency” etc etc–anyway that was good enough–especially for my loved one–its funny though, because I asked for a copy of our statements and the judges statements–the clerk said shed post them to me–when i rang to find out where they are- they it never happened– they’ve got no record–anyway — it might have been a mock trial– or ordered to disappear by an authority- doesn’t matter– the main thing about it was DECENCY– and the fact that, in that, my loved one had some hope- belief and trust restored– by a decent human being. with authority. So a victory in the heart, where the truth resides–and a mind–where thinking resides– is still a victory.

  • Of course the “scale of intelligence”, is something, some people, measure the criteria for with a different yard stick– one measures academic achievement–thinking- and another measures humanity–thinking and feeling– and usually academics rate academia–the thing their best at– and humanists rate humanity–not always –but usually–because their smarter ,or how much someone cares for another– and the results of that care– not from themselves about themselves and the people who just like them–like psychiatry does– but by the entire number/body of those effected– so if your talking academia — they probably score well– but as far as humanity goes– and the score there– that’s your 80% dumb- incompetent– and then adding the humanity in the actual totality of care- is 20%– so if we take the 80% academia out of 100% and the 20% humanity out of 100% it comes to 50/100– is that a pass__ science clever is one thing– humanity clever is another.– and they talk and think different languages– act in different ways– they are both alien to each other somewhat– yet the one without humanity sits in judgement on the one with, troubles, that spring from humanity or inhumanity-bad treatment–bad emotional psychological experience–trauma– yet get treated by people with only 20% of the main ingredient “they need” to relate and be understood and cared for properly or in the best possible way by the best possible people–or the right people with high humanity scores–not academic scores— anyway I know that’s a bit heavy on them — but the proof is they don’t respond to people because of it– or they do with arrogance, science and a pointing finger- but never ever answer the actual concerns of other human beings–with loving caring words– where any normal empathetic caring person would–some are now trying to–the younger ones– and some of the older guilt driven–or save me driven ones– but that’s about it –and even they aren’t helping anyone away from what they themselves admit harms “some” . The main body/majority of them are plastic academic people– in my view- and what I can see- from affluent backgrounds–aliens to the people they treat. Thanks for you article it was really good– their a reason and an answer to and for everything– and it 99/100 comes in words– not poisons.

  • Thanks for the article –really really good– I really like the way you explained it– mind you im not too clued up on the language– but I got the picture anyway– only realised recently its the serotonin they’re messing with– and how that causes neuroleptic withdrawal that gets called relapse–like a catch 22– the only way to fix it all, is to have in law– a right to withdraw with proper assistance- a right to investigate adversity in medication for the individual– which, in a way– would make what’s been happening wrong– and them wrong- and they’re not gonna make anything they’ve done or do wrong either– not without simply putting it down to evolving like the rest of society anyway–just like they’re starting to do, with the CBT/therapy– – push at the moment–the internet– the world waking up to– screaming for– “recovery” as opposed to “management”–more internet–nothing mainstream– but– they’re simply not giving up their government given “power” over others–the first and biggest drug– outside of “attention and money”, not in a hurry anyway. And not whilst the three tricks of psychiatry are still working too- 1/to baffle— with science–2/ to “manipulate words and meaning in science and people”–to suit the line or story of the imaginer– 3/ silence– what you usually get when you’ve got them. Thanks again–jb

  • Great article Sara- personally I believe there’s a reason for everything– good bad or in between– and that within every reason their’s an answer that will clearly show the why– and that its knowing/understanding the why that heals– the knowing– the reason– reason is sanity– is necessity– is what keeps us well. Finding the reason/sense for things is in words or time and maturity– never in a pill– or rarely– and that’s why forced poisoning is the crime– and although we know we have to have it for some at certain times– but for very short periods is OK– to stop the onset or escalation of symptoms– but to me the symptoms have a real cause– and that’s not a name calling mental illness–although we can understand a need to name something to show what we see and understand collectively–but its what caused it- not a name and a condition we need to manage that came from the cause –especially when its to be overcome– its a reason with an answer and healing from that –that counts–matters. And that’s why im saying forced drugging has to stop– or at least give every person the right to be able to attempt with assistance withdrawing when they say its harming them–doesn’t matter if you consider them this or that uninsightful– seeing that its their body and mind– their heart–their emotions–that we cant see– and know very little about– and science knows very little about– how about people in science who don’t know about the buried deep emotions–probably in all of us– that causes the surfacing of troubled-debilitating thoughts or thinking– again like they do to all of us at some point- give them the decency in assumption as another human being — knowing we all get troubled –in diagnosis. Why do they want to make people their drug experiment– make them take a tag– take management when that’s for those who are really-truly mad– and who may never recover– why are they putting everyone in the same basket and managing-drugging them for a lifetime– that’s the crime– the lifetime they steal– that they drug uncomfortable– and then don’t listen to the cries and the pain of what they’ve done– don’t give them the opportunity to prove them wrong– or themselves right– which doesn’t really matter anywhere near as much as getting your sanity back–your sense of trust and safety–your freedom- no all of a sudden–your sanity- freedom–trust–doesn’t matter because were fixing your brain- and us fixing your brain is what matters– not what matters to you– your UN-INSIGHTFUL– yet they know the problems they had- they’ve ovecome–like we all do 99/100– but are forced to endure debilitating drugs- for something your well and truly over– just like “someone else”–who im responding to– so this isn’t just another of the many people being forced to take what harms them— but maybe more importantly- its the type of person in charge at the asylum, and not so much -what they’re doing we need to stop first. its the misery mind set of psychiatry that’s really killing us all–The trouble here is that they only have 20% of the madness out there–the GPs have the other 80%– even though their sending on another 20% back to the bin for the psyche–from the damage — the psyches very greedy–and wants more of the action$– which is why they lie and instead of seeing and calling what nine times out of ten bin returns are– neuroleptic withdrawal psychosis– they call it “a real mental illness withdrawal” — back to your real mental illness– see their line–see their lie–see their angle—- which is what it is an– ANGLE– an angle that keeps the till full– at the expense of their “forced drugged debilitated from it –client. I haven’t failed–what I do isn’t harming–hasn’t harmed– im a good guy– yeah sure and pigs might fly too.

  • I didn’t even realise what this bill was about until today– wow– I’m amazed– I thought here in Australia we got the idea of “involuntary outpatient commitment” from America— it started in 1986 here– What I don’t get is– what happens when people get out of state psychiatric units over there– do they send them home with instructions? a bag of pills– if we had that here, anyone who is a first episode psychosis prisoner– usually for up to six weeks of the wrong treatment– and who knows in their heart and mind how wrong and harmful these drugs are to them–for them– could simply and slowly stop taking them–and because its only for a few weeks– could pretty much get away from them without going mad in the process– over here once you get into the mental health system– that’s it– they’re taking you straight to your grave–each year your adversely drugged and more addicted– your weakened–and each year makes it a bit more impossible to get away without suffering a neuroleptic withdrawal psychosis–and when that happens– thirteen times in our case– they simply call it what its not– a real mental illness “relapse” back to your real mental illness–that never was — and never will be– other than the forced madness you feel from the poisons shoved down your throat– anyway when that inevitably happens– the C.T.O (community treatment team) in numbers– turns up– and takes you back for lock up treatment– and starts it all over again– with more of what you were on– new drugs–new combinations–back out for a new 12 to 24 month community (coercive) treatment order- I’m so sorry, worried, and saddened, that this type of coercive forced adverse to the most treatment– is being proposed for American citizens.

  • Well said– trouble is there is no getting off these drugs– don’t you get it– they’re worse in withdrawal adversity than any street drug/or combination out there. you go mad going on them and going off them– that only leaves going back to them–(usually involves incarceration and a new set of poly-pharmacy)or staying on them– funeral-ed out– on funeral drugs– sleeping/tired/ alienated– especially the one month jab– the only way i can see to withdraw is to go from 20 mil/ one mil at a time each month/ to zero/– coupled with ongoing therapy, counseling, support, and a sense of value/worth by the with-drawer either working part time–or studying part time. The other way would be to go to a neuroleptic/psychotropic- withdrawal clinic– run by psychiatry—–:-)– /and psychologists /to keep “them” honest and real.
    http://www.psychminded.co.uk/people-with-schizophrenia-not-taking-antipsychotics-more-likely-to-recover-states-research/

    Thanks for a great article.

  • Pretty amazing regardless of what the, “almighty” ,psychiatrist did, when outside of that, 5670 people, go to this extremely stressful pre- loaded “kangaroo review board” to one way or another– stop the torture, what about the 5000 plus that weren’t aloud to leave the insanity in the loony jail and the poison being shoved into their mind and body– —Hello! yooo hoo–:). How sad is it that. Only a hand full are aloud to leave, and then, theirs “for ever” the new ones don’t even really know about yet, think about that power, think about that sad future, never mind the winners. The only way to fix the review board is to have it like a “normal court jury” of “normal people” that you pick in the same way you do in a normal court, say, where you are taking someone to, for kidnapping, incarcerating, poisoning, and brutal and violent assault, just like you always do, that’,s why a lot of these people are in reality, going to court for, and they don’t even get a jury. But they do get drugged insane, for a review hearing, of the perpetrators peers, to prove their sanity, and “somehow” try to protect their sanity by getting out, away from the insanity in the bin and in the poison, good rave guys. That’s my two bobs worth, thanks all, jb

  • Thanks for that article, The Australian government, Psychiatry, the T.G.A, and mental health, are the dug Mafia, eleven years of forced poisoning, for a temporary amphetamine induced psychosis, injection style. Its a bit like, your mad— no im not—yes you are,and just in case the challenge is going to bring us undone, bend over, here’s the insanity, just to be sure to be sure. If their was any honesty in mental health care, where are the Government run psychotropic detoxification centres. They dont exist.To me that says it all.