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LavenderSage: I had a psychosis, you don’t.
Maybe there are people who really hear voices, like someone talking.
I suggested that voices is a metaphor of sensitive hearing (in psychosis) or suddenly arised thoughts (in anxiety). But i’m not quite sure.
As i told suddenly arised thoughts can be a symptom of stress and anxiety, it’s not a symptom of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a chronic psychosis, which exist.
As for man – he feels well, even married, he does not feel any discomfort in the hospital and takes it for granted.
He told me that he has been seen by doctors since childhood, let’s not get lost in three trees, he has spontaneous psychoses (for real, i saw it).
This is the what real schizophrenia is. Communicating with him was not easy.
I do not agree, I was in the hospital and saw a person who has real schizophrenia (one in 80 people), he had exactly the same psychosis as I had after cannabis, but he did not use anything, he was born like this.
As for the voices, I know that if you are under stress and doesn’t sleep and eat enough, and especially if you smoke a lot of cigarettes then suddenly thoughts can arise, and it can be called voices, conditionally.
Overdiagnosed means that it is received by people who do not hear voices (if such people exist, and voices is not a metaphor of sensitive hearing).
Official statistics says that 70% of people with a diagnosis of schizophrenia hear voices, it’s difficult to do something with this kind of “science”.
It’s like imagining visual hallucinations as big dinosaur walking on the street, in reality, a person’s perception of colors changes, the sun seems too bright, the moon seems too big. The same thing I think about sound hallucinations.
I know that in psychosis, people think that any sounds are voices.
For example the sound of an electric drill is a voice, any sound at all. That’s where this myth came from. This is my point.
I made this picture (in a state of psychosis) about the sounds, there is a church not far from me,
its about church bells https://imgur.com/JkjJatK
I admit that there may be people who hear voices, as if the person is saying, literally. But knowing what psychiatry is, I doubt it very much. At least the problem of voices is overstated.
Perhaps, but then these are very special people. With special needs.
Psychiatry will protect us from such people.
What if a voice orders to do something bad?
By the way, can you tell me how many people hear voices, one in a million? Or one in 10 million?
I think that religion is a set of associations. When a person learns something new, his religion changes.
Conclusion: the slightest contact with psychiatry is enough to get schizophrenia.
Doctors will gladly give it to you if someone hit you in the head, If you have a drug or alcohol overdose, if you cut your little finger, If you get out of prison and someone attack you with a knife, If your mother or father works in a hospital and decides that it would be nice to get a disability payment, if you went to a psychiatrist with insomnia and tell him later that he is stupid, if somebody beat you in the army, if you beat someone in the army, if you drive away from the cops etc. Few people are aware of the importance of psychiatry in society. How deeply has it penetrated into all spheres and what great influence does it have. How little children are afraid that they are schizophrenic (and this fear is only enhanced, as there are no clear boundaries and most importantly there is no understanding what is mental disorder, even doctors don’t know it). The fear that you are a schizophrenic is so absurd and so strong among youth, that i make an assumption that all people are somehow connected, but science does not yet know how. And I consider this fear is a sentence for psychiatry in the form in which it now exists.
“There might be four biological subtypes of depression”
It remains to determine how many biological subtypes of pression.
If the psychiatric patient is disease, then we can wear white(!?) lab coats and make some lemonade out of lemons.
It’s like Russia invades USA, and only bible cartoons are shown on TV, on all channels
I think the answer is obvious – it’s doing to justify the methods used in psychiatry. And someone even came up with idea of simple form of schizophrenia, in which psychosis even does not occur (depression,stress disorder). And people who have never experienced psychosis speak about voices, it’s like a good tone. Doctors strongly support this idea:” Voices is good, voices is our money, voices is our defense from the truth”.
In certain circles it is fashionable – to say that you heard voices, you can write a book about it, it sounds impressive. But no one remembers how ancient psychiatrists burned witches who use scopolamine in order to get psychotic state. It’s a bad tone, if you say that, they will only smile at you.
My doctor tells me I think you have a depression, I’ll try to change your diagnosis (schizophrenia). Then he says it’s hard to change to depression, I will try to change to schizotypal disorder, etc How can it be that the diagnosis cannot be changed, protested? There is an IQ test, this should be enough. No, we will keep talking about voices and nothing else.
And everyone constantly talks about voices for some reason. It’s like a flu epidemic, and everybody keep silent about the flu and keep talking about meningitis.
The differences between what is considered a “psychedelic experience” and schizophrenia seem to lie in the visual and auditory psychic perception, respectively. This information you can easily find on the internet, so why people who do not have schizophrenia get such a diagnosis? How can you talk about psychosis as if it were the same? And why on the photo is not a cannabis sprout? Since it is known that conversion rate to bipolar or schizophrenia-spectrum disorders for cannabis-induced psychosis is 47%
Alexander Sobolev, retired general. He tried to get a huge inheritance from relatives who had died in France, but the Soviet authorities refused him to receive the inheritance. Angered by the actions of the authorities, he refused Soviet citizenship and began to seek exit from the USSR. In 1975, the KGB arrested and placed him in the 9th department of Dnipropetrovsk psychiatric hospital. There his spinal cord was punctured, after this his legs became paralyzed and he died in terrible agony. Relatives under pressure from the KGB refused it.
I mean 20th century
Group therapy is like making people dance at funeral.
And people are still wondering why there are so many suicides among the patients with psychiatric diagnoses.
I have a picture, which seems to me suited to this topic, it was made not by me, but by a child diagnosed with schizophrenia, in the middle of the 19th century, i processed it a little.
Rehospitalization means that the patient has a conflict with doctors due to terrible, medieval treatment
Also the historical depiction of witches riding broomsticks has its roots in psychiatry, the same as today – a little lies for the general public
The author of the article was silent about the reasons for psychosis, i’m just saying that marijuana is one of them (seeds of which i bought in Amsterdam). Also i do not think that psychosis is something bad, until it arises spontaneously and constantly, but it happens extremely rarely i think (one of a 50-100 people with schizophrenia diagnosis I estimate). And even in this case psychosis is good or bad, not for me to decide and not for doctors. Sorry for my English.
This world would be better if all the people who experienced psychosis spoke openly about the reasons for it (marijuana in my case, seeds of which i bought in Amsterdam, by the way). And I’m also sure that the use of a vaporizer leads to psychosis.
It also seems strange to me that people suffer from psychosis, you can suffer from neuroleptics or from an unfair diagnosis (schizophrenia in my case).
But psychosis, moreover, caused by plants is no reason for suffering.
I made this picture (in a state of psychosis) to show what psychosis is. When random actions result in something unexpected and related to the state in which you are
It looks like the face of a man, and such synchronicities in psychosis occur constantly.
Mental health recovery is like computer resurrection.
These are words that have no meaning, except that they assume a biological basis of the mental problems.
We rather should say recovery from antipsychotics, recovery from brainwashing.
Father Anthony of the Desert was right, it will happen
I made this picture, influenced by psychiatry and how it treating people
If there is a thing in the world that can be called “brain rebooting”, then it is a psychosis.
I was talking to a man who was getting ECT, and he said that the people who invented this should be put in prison.
In reality, of course, there will be no psychosis if you rapidly stop taking antipsychotics. Nobody even takes them after hospitalization. But if you tell the doctor to treat his patients with marijuana or you will not go to the hospital at the appointed time, they will write you a second psychosis in the medical card. That’s where such statistics come from. This is such a shameless lie. And if you think that such cases are rare, then you are deeply mistaken. There is a real confrontation happening.
I made this picture just in time when i’m stop to take antipsychotics, after the hospital
It is also completely incorrect to put stimulants, antidepressants and antipsychotics in one row. Since people often give up their freedom in fight against antipsychotics.
In the hospital a man got a toothache and was given a chlorpromazine pill to put it directly on his tooth, in the psychiatric hospital of course. And you are talking about some complicated concepts – sedation, low doses, anxiety…
What I saw – before death, the old man drooled. As I did before discharge, so I wouldn’t talk about low doses.
P.S. It is also given to people when their teeth hurt, depending on which people.
I think yes, if you think globally
You are lucky that you can buy and read new books on this topic. In my country, such books do not translated.
In the hospital, I saw old people die, due to age but also under the influence of antipsychotics, i think that this is partly their real purpose.
I read that it is not recommended to treat marijuana psychosis (like any other psychosis i think) with neuroleptics, but I was treated with very large doses. As a result, instead of pictures on the wall, I began to see cartoons, very real, like on TV (if you concentrate on the picture). It was very strange, I immediately realized that it was effect of neuroleptics.
Specifically this cartoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZodexUkiDI
This may seem unrealistic, but that’s how it was.
I’m not talking about toxic hepatitis, as a result of only 21-day treatment
Essentially, psychiatry offers the people with psychosis to sleep.
Antipsychotics make people less active but have no effect on the duration of psychosis.
I made this picture after the hospital (but still in a state of cannabis induced psychosis) it shows the reaction of doctors to psychosis
Psychiatry creates hysteria in society with its mythical diseases, it comes to the point of absurdity – “Who a at risk of psychosis?”. Who is sick of course. But there is a problem – those who are sick can not have high education, work experience etc. So you have to answer honestly – those who take drugs.
People subconsciously feel that they need to get a diagnosis in order to go to heaven.
And also it was like taste of products led to certain associations and images in the brain (not images but something like that, it is hard to explain)
ALex: I agree with all that you said. Especially about the heart, since our heart, stomach etc. have a certain autonomy, so as not to overload the brain.
I just wanted to pay attention that you can’t get chaos (real randomizing) even using the most powerful computers (I know this as a programmer), so why do we expect this from nature?
I think that randomicity is something that can be implemented on a quantum scale, such as quark and gluon field fluctuations etc.
And Darwin’s theory tells us that mutations are random, but it doesn’t tell us how they can be random.
On the other hand, we have paranoia (occuring synchronicities).
I think that synchronicities is the universal language of nature, it is a tool of evolution.
I like the quote by Antero Alli:”Yesterday they called it coincidence, today its synchronicity, tomorrow they`ll call it skill”.
ALex: I think that nature is not a chaos, but rather as an electrical gadget , only instead of electricity it uses a chaos, yes we have our own batteries (brains), but they don’t work very long and there are things like lightning (psychosis) and static electricity (autism) that we don’t understand. That is why when people reduce brain activity with psychedelics, they often report the occurrence of synchronicities.
If god is a chaos, and it seems like psychiatry is a chaos then you’re right. But psychosis is also a chaos, and only depression is the order
I think nobody knows what a child with autism feels.
But i made this picture in a state of cannabis induced psychosis
And now i read that children with autism may have a refusal to eat, selectivity in the choice of dishes.
I felt the same. It is possible that all children are in a state of psychosis up to a certain age, but children with autism are stay in it longer than usual.
I thought that food is like an illusion or a hoax.
Autism is like taking meth, or am i wrong? I mean that when a child with autism perform certain actions, the level of serotonin increases.
It seems like all we can do now is get a diagnosis of schizophrenia for no reason, and then find the cause and try to prove that the doctors are wrong.
I find that psychiatry is closely related to Darwin’s theory. The key word here is “Random”. As a programmer, I know that with computer it is impossible to create real randomization. So why we are waiting for it from nature? And if everything is connected in nature, then such a basic symptom of psychiatry as paranoia (synchronicities) can no longer be regarded as medical pathology. Maybe real chaos in a form of quark and gluon field fluctuations is something what we usually call God, and the more complex the biological system, the more connections it have.
I already wrote a similar comment, but I want to pay attention: As long as people believe in random mutations, psychiatry will remain punitive.
As for antipsychotics, this is the same approach as in kindergarten, when children who are noisy are forced to stay in beds, when all the other children have already woken up.
As long as people believe in random mutations, psychiatry will remain punitive.
In my country, psychotherapy is when a nurse offers to do physical exercises. As for the treatment – doctors are afraid to really make a person take antipsychotics, if he doesn’t want to, even in the hospital (unless it is an acute psychosis), because if they do so, they can be injured.
No, as a child i didn’t find sense
Inflorescence that looks like caterpillar
Sorry for my English
People often report about the occurrence of synchronicities after taking psychedelics.
I also wanted to draw attention to the picture of Emil Kraepelin which he did in 1986. He portrayed himself as an angel on fire and signed “European psychiatrists – protect your sacred diagnosis!” This is weird.. Its kinda funny, what is strange in this story is that people in psychosis usually represent themselves as an angels on fire, but they don’t make any drawings, it would be too arrogant. So it can be assumed that this drawing was ironic, or he heard similar stories from his patients and decided to take over the initiative. This could mean that he was afraid and did not understand the nature of the psychosis, but as a cunning schoolboy decided to steal the idea, since the best defence is offence.
As for Freud I read his books as a child and I had the feeling that i was reading something that isn’t true. It feels that they was written in a state of cocaine intoxication.
The same goes for Kraepelin, rejection of the single psychosis theory was a big mistake, and people still pay a big price for this.
A psychiatric diagnosis can be compared to a caterpillar-shaped inflorescence of a tree.
There are really sick people, but they are very few (like real caterpillars that eat leaves).
There are insects that pollinate a tree, these are psychiatric workers.
And there is a bird that can eat a caterpillar – it’s an ambulance team and death in hospital.
And if you continue this analogy then there is a mystery – how psychiatry knows real and accurate symptoms of diseases.
Whether the time has not come for us to accept that psychosis is not a medical problem, even if it spontaneously arises (though this is extremely rare)
Of course there is no such connection, it is strange who even came up with such a ridiculous idea. Moreover, there is no connection between adult pot use and adult mental health problems. Cannabis can induce psychosis (from my point of view this is not a medical problem), and theoretically this is not a disease, but when you registering in a psychiatric hospital and did not fulfill some of the requirements that apply to you – then you will recieve a chronic diagnosis. This is a matter of chance. And according to available information, this happens in 50% of cases.
It is strange that such an article did not come out 100 years ago, or maybe even 1000 years ago. Because the use of a vaporizer is associated with the onset of psychosis, it would be logical to assume that marijuana contains an antipsychotic. And these people occupy high positions, get a lot of money for their work.
What a strange conclusion did the authors of the article. It’s like saying that among alcohol drinkers there are many alcoholics. In reality, even schizophrenia is very often just a drug overdose.
Why is there a words “Youth” and “Adolescence” in the study? For safety. Few people know that age is not so important as a use of vaporizer for example. And so it turns out some kind of nonsense, constantly in the news reported that adults have psychosis induced by cannabis, but in scientific articles we are dealing with a small lies like this.
It doesn’t matter how to call schizophrenia, untill people who have it (5%)
and people who don’t have it (95%) will receive different diagnoses.
It’s like renaming psychiatry into pepsichiatry.