I would say they are starting to ” Circle the Wagons” , or perhaps telling the surfs that they need to run inside the castle, the barbarians are coming…..Bob you don’t appear to be a barbarian….lol
Joshua
Warm lines are terrific, of can be. Here is a webinar on a town in Tennessee where they are doing lots of peer run.
There is no need to conflate mental health as an issue that can only be addressed by ” Experts ” . Have we so lost our humanity that we can’t be there for others, give them the space to express their anger, frustration, fears, confusion all things that we ourselves are concerned about. Don’t worry if you don’t have the answers, the ” experts ” don’t have them either, perhaps there are no answers, but we certainly can listen without pulling out the mental health care literally. Reach in our wallet and retrieve a business card given to us buy a friend of a ” professional ” Why can’t we just listen to people express real emotions? That doesn’t sound like to much to ask.
Not only does listening without interruptions, without judgment, with an open heart empower our friends it very much empowers us, perhaps it even re-establishes our humanity.
“Indeed, no social emotion is more widespread today than the conviction of personal powerlessness, the sense of being beset, beleaguered, and persecuted.” Arthur M Schlesinger Jr.
Experts have taken away our power to be compassionate? This is the direction they are taking us in all aspects of life. Trust the experts, remember ” You are not an expert ”
The truth is we don’t trust ourselves……..Terrance McKenna puts it this way:
“ We are mercilessly worked over by these informational hierarchies that disempower us that take away from the power of our own immediate experiences”
Get with the program yin yang. Obviously we need to make psych meds available to those people who don’t know they need them………we can simply expand the market for them by treating all those people. Great marketing don’t you think?
Gina
Your suffering is so deeply concerning…Perhaps the fact the ” care ” is hours away is a wonderful thing. There is no known treatment for depression. Perhaps you are destined to take the hero’s journey. Which means you are left to you own devices.
My friend who is suffering as well has been doing cannabis edibles….he visits his dispensary and tells them he is looking for a strain that will relax him. Then he starts with a very small amount , you can always do more next time . This might help your ability to swallow.
Personally I get in my car and drive. In my care I can scream as loud as I can. That gets rid of a lot of tension in my throat. Lots of tension. When I view the world as it is…not how I want to to be…..I do need to scream.
Peter thank you so much for your tireless work….so appreciated..
Awesome….simply awesome.
What follows is an article that really spoke to me regarding this story about Thomas Insel.
Capitalists excel at finding ways to profit from disaster.
When it comes to protecting human beings, capitalists are absolutely abysmal. Extracting capital from human labor creates massive social and environmental harm. Capitalists cannot reduce this harm without lowering their profits and becoming less competitive. Susan Rosenthal—-Rebel Minds
Capitalism is the accumulation of money. Plenty of wealthy people are caught up in the game, work hard, play by the rules and you to can be anything you want.
“the mental-health’ industry was not established to support people, but to individualize and medicalize and profit from the social misery created by capitalist rule.” Susan Rosenthal (2019). Rebel Minds
It is fun to fake mental illness you get to take all those cool drugs.
“Capitalism takes all the resources of society and mobilizes them for the 1%” Henry Giroux
Jenny thank you so much. There is so much to be learned by caregivers and those in distress from this article.
Best
Jim
Thank you so much for the self reflections you offered up. It gives me strength.
Oh Goody
” the banality of evil “
Thank you so much for this treasure.
Ekaterina
Is it time for a very long vacation, get away from the bullshit, from the thirst for money, from the shame that we are being force to accept as normal?
I am headed there..
Karin
Thank you so much for your words and your story. I am with a loved one who is suffering greatly, your words give me the confidence to be present for them without feeling the need to ” fix ” the problem…..
Wonderful stuff.
Thanks
Jim
Will nice article and so true. Here is an article in Vice that i wish could be posted in MIA.
Thank you so much for the fine work you are doing. Deciphering all the jargon and rendering it meaningful to regular people. Oops I almost said meaningful to normal people, then I remembered that it is not normal to be normal.
Thanks
Jim
Would someone tell me what this means :Researchers should accept that subjects in trials and real-life are no more drug-naïve, or even drug-free, the rule is being under polypharmacy.”
Nice work Peter. Thanks
Stigma, from the point of view of a parent might be the horror at being told your son/daughter has something wrong with their brain for which there is no cure and therefor no hope, none, only the fantasy of the possibility of a pill that someday will make that brain all well again and give your child back to you just as they used to be. That look the parent gives their child, the look of pity. That is stigma. It is the look of pity. The look of hopelessness.
“The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.” Fredrick Douglas
Drug companies make that sh*# and psychiatrists force people to purchase the sh*# and even force people to swallow that sh*#
.
Jon
What an outstanding article. Seriously you have put together a piece for the ages. Thank you so much. I will spread this article. I have been actively commenting on youtube videos that promote these drugs, and now I will refer them to this page.
Thank you so much
Jim Riddell
“I would like to thank the support the MIA team has given to make these dialogues possible. Shira Collings’ enthusiasm and skill, James Moore’s graciousness and problem-solving, and Miranda Moore’s speed and acumen have been invaluable. As is so often the case, the face that you see is just the beneficiary of so many who give so generously. We all share in our gratitude for the chance to join with all of you to build on the opportunity for dialogue that each new challenge we face—together—presents”
Thank you for bringing attention to these wonderful dedicated and skillful people. My thanks as well.
Jim
julianno
It is interesting that the 900 page bailout could be written in a matter of days, WOW, Mitch McMconnell and Pelosi must have been up all night writing it. Working hard to make our lives better.
Jim
anomie I am impressed ” Sheldon Wolin “, oh yes.
Megan
Well on your recommendation I purchased Rebel Minds. What a great book. Easy read and hard to put down. Thank you for your review which motivated me to make the purchase.
Ayurdhi
Thank you so much for your valuable contributions to MIA. We all really appreciate it.
Best
Jim
Robert
You just wrote a better obituary then did the NY Times.
Thank you
Jim
Paula
Thank you so much for the review. It is good to have ” fighters ” like you out there. We all need to do our part to inform the public who clearly is misinformed, for the most part they are intentionally misinformed.
Thank you
Jim
Till
The need for this is so obvious. It should be difficult even for Psychiatrists to no get on board…great work.
Thank you Peter
I will forward this article to friends who are in danger of following in the same path. For those of you who are not familiar with Dr. Gotzsche’s book Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime. it is a must read. Even if you think you already understand, you have know idea how corrupt the whole industry is. We tax payers pay them bonuses for their corruption. Criminal.
Best
Jim
Hi Will
Thanks for sharing that story. Courage and great parent support… I am curious what you would say the best book/books you have read to help you through?
Best
Jim
Educating the general public is very important. There are ways to do that. Start a “metope” group around mental health. Start a HVN group, even if you don’t you can get it rolling and then help someone get training.
I have referred a lot of people to the interview on 60 minutes with Leslie Stalls and Irving Kirsch. He did a fantastic study on the placebo affect of SSRI’s and found that only one in ten people are “helped” by them. The guy from big pharma agreed and said that was a good result. Of course that does not take into account the unbelievable side effects.
Watch for the ” brown shirts “
Leah
Thank you so much for sharing this with us. I would have never known what was going on at these seminars. Sounds a little pre nazi era doesn’t it…
Best
Jim
Removed for moderation.
Michael
You don’t look crazy to me……..I have been told I am a good judge of crazy….keep up your spirits…
I sincerely hope those commenting on this blog are donating to MIA not only to keep the website vibrant but to expand its reach as well. The work they are doing is extraordinary and effecting major change
Itay
I must reconsider my thoughts on Anarchism after watching Norm Chomsky explain it in this video. I think it is exactly the correct term to use.
Best
Jim
I forgot to add. don’t forget to take your meds” capitalism needs money to thrive….
Hey we should all remember that with Capitalism if you work hard and ( of course ) play by the rules ( who’s rules ) you will be so screwed….
I am not at all sure that Itay chose the headline for this blog….
Capitalism leads toTotalitarianism
.
Oldhead
There are plenty of on line sites where you can argue politics. In my mind this is not one of them. Itay has offered up some real solutions to serious problems. I have no doubt Itay has compassion for human suffering where ever it exists.
“Liberty is not an obstacle for quality treatment, it is rather the very basis of it.”
That is a beautiful expression, I will remember it and use it often….as my email signature..
Thank you for this story.
Jim
Megan
Thank you so much for bringing this book to my attention. I do not think my opinion differs much if at all with the authors, not just regarding the use of psychiatry to ” help people and their suffering ” or as Rosenthal correctly asserts make a ton of money. It might have been you that used this statement in a previous blog.
“Psychiatry has turned out to be the practice of using someone’s suffering against them for profit.”
I use that as my signature in my emails.
Thanks again
Jim
Eric
You make an excellent point. They are not ” side affects ” they are things the drugs do to people and you can count on them.
Thanks
Jim
Aryan
This is a well written and researched article. Thought provoking as it should be. Thank you so much.
Jim
Michael is there someway you can be cloned? A little joke but seriously how do people come to that place where they can listen to people in distress and pain, we seem so afraid, as if the pain of others might draw our suffering to the surface where it will be exposed and permanent.
You do make us stronger. Thank you.
Regarding “ psychiatric researchers “. It is shameful for those “ psychiatric researchers “ to even talk about bias. Shouldn’t they be much more concerned about the bias when testing is done by the drug companies to get the FDA approval. They should be far more concerned not only about the tests but also those results that do not get published. The bad ones are locked from public view and require a “freedom of information act” to unlock. That should be more concerning if they are truly interested in the welfare of people. Bad even if there were no serious side affects. And all the while promoting those anti-depressants to “ make people happy”. As if “Peoples happiness is most certainly their primary concern.”
WOW !!!!
Bob
Thanks for this info. I am working to reform our care in my city and will certain want to get that our local expenses from medicaid. I had sent an email to Miranda regarding this and if you have time to email me directly I can give you the details. In a nutshell I want to establish a Hearing Voices Network here, in addition I would like to establish a drug free or not mandatory crisis center and even a Soteria like house.
Best
Jim
From the comments there are a lot of pissed off people here……maybe it is time to do something……start a Hearing Voices Network….another Soteria type house……a crisis house where people might go when they feel like they need love and not drugs……….get to work people….it is up to us.
Megan
“Psychiatry has turned out to be the practice of using someone’s suffering against them for profit.”
If I may I will save that quote and use it profusely…brilliant.
Thank you so much
Jim
Pacific Dawn
Can I call you PD? you are so right about that. I have been to some parent support groups and some people just don’t want to hear it. NAMI …..hand out the drugs to your kids, your parents, hell just give them to everybody…..surprised they don’t have samples at the meetings.
We all need to be part of the group…………just that simple…..each and everyone of us…….fearlessly facing our own fears of ” not being normal “
Rachel
Isn’t it great to have someone else tell us how messed up we are……..some how they imagine they can do it better then we can…it would be funny..lol except it is not funny.
mhberman
Can you elaborate on what might transpire doing a session?
The story that I added a link to is a report from the Denver Post regarding a woman who was tasered and taken to jail while she was naked and getting ready to take a bath..The dangers of the ” wellness check ” .They don’t always go as planned and can have very bad consequences…very bad, including post traumatic stress and more. I would never trust the police to check on any one I cared about…for sure.
I would say they are starting to ” Circle the Wagons” , or perhaps telling the surfs that they need to run inside the castle, the barbarians are coming…..Bob you don’t appear to be a barbarian….lol
Joshua
Warm lines are terrific, of can be. Here is a webinar on a town in Tennessee where they are doing lots of peer run.
https://cafetacenter.net/a-webinar-and-learning-community-series-on-peer-run-crisis-alternatives/
There is no need to conflate mental health as an issue that can only be addressed by ” Experts ” . Have we so lost our humanity that we can’t be there for others, give them the space to express their anger, frustration, fears, confusion all things that we ourselves are concerned about. Don’t worry if you don’t have the answers, the ” experts ” don’t have them either, perhaps there are no answers, but we certainly can listen without pulling out the mental health care literally. Reach in our wallet and retrieve a business card given to us buy a friend of a ” professional ” Why can’t we just listen to people express real emotions? That doesn’t sound like to much to ask.
Not only does listening without interruptions, without judgment, with an open heart empower our friends it very much empowers us, perhaps it even re-establishes our humanity.
“Indeed, no social emotion is more widespread today than the conviction of personal powerlessness, the sense of being beset, beleaguered, and persecuted.” Arthur M Schlesinger Jr.
Experts have taken away our power to be compassionate? This is the direction they are taking us in all aspects of life. Trust the experts, remember ” You are not an expert ”
The truth is we don’t trust ourselves……..Terrance McKenna puts it this way:
“ We are mercilessly worked over by these informational hierarchies that disempower us that take away from the power of our own immediate experiences”
Get with the program yin yang. Obviously we need to make psych meds available to those people who don’t know they need them………we can simply expand the market for them by treating all those people. Great marketing don’t you think?
Gina
Your suffering is so deeply concerning…Perhaps the fact the ” care ” is hours away is a wonderful thing. There is no known treatment for depression. Perhaps you are destined to take the hero’s journey. Which means you are left to you own devices.
My friend who is suffering as well has been doing cannabis edibles….he visits his dispensary and tells them he is looking for a strain that will relax him. Then he starts with a very small amount , you can always do more next time . This might help your ability to swallow.
Personally I get in my car and drive. In my care I can scream as loud as I can. That gets rid of a lot of tension in my throat. Lots of tension. When I view the world as it is…not how I want to to be…..I do need to scream.
Peter thank you so much for your tireless work….so appreciated..
Awesome….simply awesome.
What follows is an article that really spoke to me regarding this story about Thomas Insel.
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/origin-expression-blow-smoke-ass/
Capitalists excel at finding ways to profit from disaster.
When it comes to protecting human beings, capitalists are absolutely abysmal. Extracting capital from human labor creates massive social and environmental harm. Capitalists cannot reduce this harm without lowering their profits and becoming less competitive. Susan Rosenthal—-Rebel Minds
Capitalism is the accumulation of money. Plenty of wealthy people are caught up in the game, work hard, play by the rules and you to can be anything you want.
“the mental-health’ industry was not established to support people, but to individualize and medicalize and profit from the social misery created by capitalist rule.” Susan Rosenthal (2019). Rebel Minds
It is fun to fake mental illness you get to take all those cool drugs.
“Capitalism takes all the resources of society and mobilizes them for the 1%” Henry Giroux
Jenny thank you so much. There is so much to be learned by caregivers and those in distress from this article.
Best
Jim
Thank you so much for the self reflections you offered up. It gives me strength.
Oh Goody
” the banality of evil “
Thank you so much for this treasure.
Ekaterina
Is it time for a very long vacation, get away from the bullshit, from the thirst for money, from the shame that we are being force to accept as normal?
I am headed there..
Karin
Thank you so much for your words and your story. I am with a loved one who is suffering greatly, your words give me the confidence to be present for them without feeling the need to ” fix ” the problem…..
Wonderful stuff.
Thanks
Jim
Will nice article and so true. Here is an article in Vice that i wish could be posted in MIA.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3azkeb/police-are-the-first-to-respond-to-mental-health-crises-they-shouldnt-be
Best
Jim
Peter
Thank you so much for the fine work you are doing. Deciphering all the jargon and rendering it meaningful to regular people. Oops I almost said meaningful to normal people, then I remembered that it is not normal to be normal.
Thanks
Jim
Would someone tell me what this means :Researchers should accept that subjects in trials and real-life are no more drug-naïve, or even drug-free, the rule is being under polypharmacy.”
Nice work Peter. Thanks
Stigma, from the point of view of a parent might be the horror at being told your son/daughter has something wrong with their brain for which there is no cure and therefor no hope, none, only the fantasy of the possibility of a pill that someday will make that brain all well again and give your child back to you just as they used to be. That look the parent gives their child, the look of pity. That is stigma. It is the look of pity. The look of hopelessness.
“The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.” Fredrick Douglas
Drug companies make that sh*# and psychiatrists force people to purchase the sh*# and even force people to swallow that sh*#
.
Jon
What an outstanding article. Seriously you have put together a piece for the ages. Thank you so much. I will spread this article. I have been actively commenting on youtube videos that promote these drugs, and now I will refer them to this page.
Thank you so much
Jim Riddell
“I would like to thank the support the MIA team has given to make these dialogues possible. Shira Collings’ enthusiasm and skill, James Moore’s graciousness and problem-solving, and Miranda Moore’s speed and acumen have been invaluable. As is so often the case, the face that you see is just the beneficiary of so many who give so generously. We all share in our gratitude for the chance to join with all of you to build on the opportunity for dialogue that each new challenge we face—together—presents”
Thank you for bringing attention to these wonderful dedicated and skillful people. My thanks as well.
Jim
julianno
It is interesting that the 900 page bailout could be written in a matter of days, WOW, Mitch McMconnell and Pelosi must have been up all night writing it. Working hard to make our lives better.
Jim
anomie I am impressed ” Sheldon Wolin “, oh yes.
Megan
Well on your recommendation I purchased Rebel Minds. What a great book. Easy read and hard to put down. Thank you for your review which motivated me to make the purchase.
Ayurdhi
Thank you so much for your valuable contributions to MIA. We all really appreciate it.
Best
Jim
Robert
You just wrote a better obituary then did the NY Times.
Thank you
Jim
Paula
Thank you so much for the review. It is good to have ” fighters ” like you out there. We all need to do our part to inform the public who clearly is misinformed, for the most part they are intentionally misinformed.
Thank you
Jim
Till
The need for this is so obvious. It should be difficult even for Psychiatrists to no get on board…great work.
Thank you Peter
I will forward this article to friends who are in danger of following in the same path. For those of you who are not familiar with Dr. Gotzsche’s book Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime. it is a must read. Even if you think you already understand, you have know idea how corrupt the whole industry is. We tax payers pay them bonuses for their corruption. Criminal.
Best
Jim
Hi Will
Thanks for sharing that story. Courage and great parent support… I am curious what you would say the best book/books you have read to help you through?
Best
Jim
Educating the general public is very important. There are ways to do that. Start a “metope” group around mental health. Start a HVN group, even if you don’t you can get it rolling and then help someone get training.
I have referred a lot of people to the interview on 60 minutes with Leslie Stalls and Irving Kirsch. He did a fantastic study on the placebo affect of SSRI’s and found that only one in ten people are “helped” by them. The guy from big pharma agreed and said that was a good result. Of course that does not take into account the unbelievable side effects.
Watch for the ” brown shirts “
Leah
Thank you so much for sharing this with us. I would have never known what was going on at these seminars. Sounds a little pre nazi era doesn’t it…
Best
Jim
Removed for moderation.
Michael
You don’t look crazy to me……..I have been told I am a good judge of crazy….keep up your spirits…
I sincerely hope those commenting on this blog are donating to MIA not only to keep the website vibrant but to expand its reach as well. The work they are doing is extraordinary and effecting major change
Itay
I must reconsider my thoughts on Anarchism after watching Norm Chomsky explain it in this video. I think it is exactly the correct term to use.
Best
Jim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkvPDx2qNjM
I forgot to add. don’t forget to take your meds” capitalism needs money to thrive….
Hey we should all remember that with Capitalism if you work hard and ( of course ) play by the rules ( who’s rules ) you will be so screwed….
I am not at all sure that Itay chose the headline for this blog….
Capitalism leads toTotalitarianism
.
Oldhead
There are plenty of on line sites where you can argue politics. In my mind this is not one of them. Itay has offered up some real solutions to serious problems. I have no doubt Itay has compassion for human suffering where ever it exists.
“Liberty is not an obstacle for quality treatment, it is rather the very basis of it.”
That is a beautiful expression, I will remember it and use it often….as my email signature..
Thank you for this story.
Jim
Megan
Thank you so much for bringing this book to my attention. I do not think my opinion differs much if at all with the authors, not just regarding the use of psychiatry to ” help people and their suffering ” or as Rosenthal correctly asserts make a ton of money. It might have been you that used this statement in a previous blog.
“Psychiatry has turned out to be the practice of using someone’s suffering against them for profit.”
I use that as my signature in my emails.
Thanks again
Jim
Eric
You make an excellent point. They are not ” side affects ” they are things the drugs do to people and you can count on them.
Thanks
Jim
Aryan
This is a well written and researched article. Thought provoking as it should be. Thank you so much.
Jim
Michael is there someway you can be cloned? A little joke but seriously how do people come to that place where they can listen to people in distress and pain, we seem so afraid, as if the pain of others might draw our suffering to the surface where it will be exposed and permanent.
You do make us stronger. Thank you.
Regarding “ psychiatric researchers “. It is shameful for those “ psychiatric researchers “ to even talk about bias. Shouldn’t they be much more concerned about the bias when testing is done by the drug companies to get the FDA approval. They should be far more concerned not only about the tests but also those results that do not get published. The bad ones are locked from public view and require a “freedom of information act” to unlock. That should be more concerning if they are truly interested in the welfare of people. Bad even if there were no serious side affects. And all the while promoting those anti-depressants to “ make people happy”. As if “Peoples happiness is most certainly their primary concern.”
WOW !!!!
Bob
Thanks for this info. I am working to reform our care in my city and will certain want to get that our local expenses from medicaid. I had sent an email to Miranda regarding this and if you have time to email me directly I can give you the details. In a nutshell I want to establish a Hearing Voices Network here, in addition I would like to establish a drug free or not mandatory crisis center and even a Soteria like house.
Best
Jim
From the comments there are a lot of pissed off people here……maybe it is time to do something……start a Hearing Voices Network….another Soteria type house……a crisis house where people might go when they feel like they need love and not drugs……….get to work people….it is up to us.
Megan
“Psychiatry has turned out to be the practice of using someone’s suffering against them for profit.”
If I may I will save that quote and use it profusely…brilliant.
Thank you so much
Jim
Pacific Dawn
Can I call you PD? you are so right about that. I have been to some parent support groups and some people just don’t want to hear it. NAMI …..hand out the drugs to your kids, your parents, hell just give them to everybody…..surprised they don’t have samples at the meetings.
We all need to be part of the group…………just that simple…..each and everyone of us…….fearlessly facing our own fears of ” not being normal “
Rachel
Isn’t it great to have someone else tell us how messed up we are……..some how they imagine they can do it better then we can…it would be funny..lol except it is not funny.
mhberman
Can you elaborate on what might transpire doing a session?
The story that I added a link to is a report from the Denver Post regarding a woman who was tasered and taken to jail while she was naked and getting ready to take a bath..The dangers of the ” wellness check ” .They don’t always go as planned and can have very bad consequences…very bad, including post traumatic stress and more. I would never trust the police to check on any one I cared about…for sure.
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/04/10/fremont-county-sheriff-lawsuit-naked/
There is no question in my mind she will be ” wounded ” forever from that treatment,
This story in the Denver Post should be a real wake up call regarding ” welfare checks”
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/04/10/fremont-county-sheriff-lawsuit-naked/