Does seem crazy how little psychiatrists seem to really know. Take this “visual snow” stuff. People have only recently been talking about it but it’s supposed to be an indicator for anxiety and depression. A study suggests it might be a part of the brain “hyper metabolising”.
Something i’ve had for as long as I can remember /shrug.
And while a lot of people know what the deal is you’ve still got this kinda stuff going on in the name of “Social Justice” …
I dunno I personally don’t consider that “levelling the playing field”, quite the opposite.
I agree that this is really where it’s at and probably what gets overlooked even though psychiatrists are doctors.
It’s disappointing these days, in Australia i’ve been trying not get get too upset over this “mental as” campaign they’ve had going.
I get the feeling sometimes that they are honestly trying to deride looking after yourself, exercising, living healthy etc. Seems like this is seen as “wanting to live forever young” or something.
Just to add, the one after this is the “kindling” theory. i.e if you don’t take your drugs, you’ll have more episodes, your “illness” will progress, your iq will go down etc.
From my experience professionals are less likely to try and scare people with that one, but it’s still there and no doubt being used by “professionals” to get people to regularly take drugs.
Heh, well it’s funny because this still goes on regardless of this Pies character. There’s no doubt in my mind that there’s thousands of people in the world that are still being told to take drugs because they have a medical condition, that “it’s just like insulin for diabetes” etc.
You think these higher ups are really interested in correcting any of this ? It’s a primary method to sell, or to get people to go along willingly with regularly taking health-damaging drugs.
Thank you ā a false but disconcertingly effective argument against the movement has always been to guilt-trip people over not having āalternatives.ā The alternative is ending capitalism and the ongoing trauma and alienation it causes.
I don’t want to derail whatever goes on with this site sometimes but I feel like this always seems to creep in. I feel like i’m doing the derailing but really, it feels like i’m trying to keep the damn thing on the rails. There’s people trying to make it about feminism, race, capitalism, global warming.
Psychiatry can fuck over anyone that gets caught up in it.
You mention capitalism but psychiatric style oppression kicked along just fine in Soviet Russia… it went gang busters. Any system is really going to be as good as the people running it. Maybe the left wing academic type people feel they’re going to be on the good side of all this, like they will benefit but the death of one system isn’t some guarantee things will be better for everyone, in fact, more people might end up getting screwed.
Just to add it’s funny but I see social media as basically just infants or high school in perpetuity. It’s all just about being seen to be socially acceptable and when there’s big money there it’s really hard to go against that without an angry, dumb mob coming at you or the shunning to commence.
Ehh don’t be so sure of who you are dealing with on the internet.
That said though, yeah it’s a tough issue, i’m not sure what you’re talking about exactly but I do feel sorry for people that get manipulated with this stuff.
Look at what happened with “Anonymous” and Scientology. Do some of those poor kids even know why they were firing up those ping flooding programs ? /shrug yeah I know I know. Bah.
Well, I don’t want to offend you. I’ll just say that I don’t believe in giving up when it comes to this stuff.
I donāt know how to change this. But it has to change, because without a mass movement, the forces that will be necessary to end psychiatric oppression just arenāt there.
Well these days there’s the internet. I enjoyed watching the video of you standing outside a conference inferring psychiatrists are sociopaths and it would be great if everyone thought that way but yeah they don’t.
This site is great, there’s tonnes of real information here and so people can make their own individual choice. That is the most important thing imho, people being able to make their own choice.
This is also tied into a whole sort-of level of deceit/paradigm change and the system clamping down. It’s a weird time, lot of lies exposed, system doubling down on those lies.
Just to add on the intervention thing. See what we have here in Australia where they bring up cyber bullying.
The media always focuses on the bullies rather they brining up the idea that maybe it would be a good idea to educate kids on the dangers of getting sucked into social media and to learn to shake it off instead of letting a few lines of text be a reason to end their life.
When you say “We”, who are you referring to ? It’s ok to speak for yourself.
it is becoming more and more out of reach for a lot of people because of outrages cost for treatment.
I honestly believe beyond treating someone for acute trauma there isn’t really a whole lot going on with psychiatry, with most of the drugs prescribed. In my experience anyway. Every single drug prescribed by a psychiatrist is damaging to a person’s health in some way, not beneficial. Therefore it is smart to avoid them if you can. It’s really that simple.
that want to claim mental illness is not real at all, in any shape or form
Well as far as I’m aware there still isn’t any definitive proof that there are permanent discrete diseases. I think that people do have problems coping, I do sometimes myself but I also believe that there’s more to human health than what is projected by western medicine. Things change every day as to what is supposed to be good for us or not. There are people taking all kinds of medication they probably don’t have to if they changed their diet etc etc.
These interest cherry pick what many like you post here Dr. Burstow to support cuts for care
please be careful in not helping to cut our throats, the mental ill, as you do it who are struggling day in and day out to gain care and treatment for our mental illness in our communities around the world.
Kinda looks like you’re the one that might be cherry picking but yeah I do believe that if treatment is ultimately useless that it’s pointless to fund it. If it’s keeping some Ph.D in a job I don’t care about that.
Really it depends what we’re talking about. Are we talking about “early intervention” or a homeless “schizophrenic” talking to himself as he walks down the CBD ?
With the early intervention, I think we should have education given teaching kids basic skills on how to deal with anxiety/fear/stress but I don’t believe they should have negative labels slapped on them and be given a tray full of poison.
For other stuff, I wonder what the point is in just lobbing antipsychotics at someone, maybe it will calm someone down but does that treat what might be an underlying problem ? Bad diet, deficiency ?
Anyway, i’ve rambled enough.
Focus on a persons health, make sure that’s good and then figure out a way for them to be happy, content, useful, whatever it is that’s going to work out for everyone.
That seems like the best way to me, as long as you’re there thinking to yourself that you are better or know more or looking for control or to protect your own interests you should be doomed to failure.
Who decides what is “mental illness”, you ? Someone else ? As much as I would like to believe sometimes that all these scientists experimenting doesn’t mean anything and it’s all bunk and all you need is some guru to work their talk juju on you, the real problem as I see it are ethical, trust based ones.
Really it’s all the same crap and typically can boil down to the best course of action to not see a psychologist or psychiatrist at all or engage with what any of these patronising “services”.
How does it all work ? In what way is psychiatry well meaning ? Well only perhaps is that the ultimate goal appears to be that you stop struggling while you enable their livelyhoods, take the negative label(s) and then either have your independant thought,health or both destroyed.
I think there is a line somewhere, it’s easy to say “who knows why anyone does what they do”, whenever things get difficult. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it feels like a copout.
Honestly it is kind of dumb, here in Australia we’re having days 5 degrees below the average etc.
While the moronic corrupt president of the AMA (Australia Medical Association) is talking about how global warming is a health issue.
I don’t know, kind of over it, but all I know is if I had any kind of say in the matter there’s no way I would just be handing money to a bunch of people that are only interested in setting up some kind of authoritarian nightmare global government.
I dunno it seems like it’s getting pointless to argue on this stuff.
What is meant by poltical will ? A tax on all countries that goes towards global government ?
This is a typical kind of authoritarion left advocacy. Do any of them really care about the environment ? Or just more power for your Rockerfeller’s, Al Gores, Rothchilds etc. If anyone wants to really talk about this stuff fine, but if you just want a rubber stamp you’re probably always going to run into opposition, as you should.
Like I said in the previous article on this subject, I still find it hard to tell if lithium isn’t benefical to the human body as a mineral.
I know there have been tests on worms and it’s increased their lifespan for instance.
ETC. From what i’ve read some say it’s neuroprotective or increases grey matter, some say it just increases water content or something.
Either way, from what I see, yep it does seem pretty stupid to take a whopping dose of lithium carbonate. More data on it though would be good to find.
Ian Hickie is pretty much the go-to guy to talk about “mental health” on the TV here in Australia.
Not surprised he usually appears on the ABC and i’m not surprised this story is on the Guardian.
It’s usually just all bullshit. It’s getting more obvious every day that even the state run broadcaster here is always pushing an agenda that the people probably don’t want.
To add, something a little more down to earth is the fact that many of the drugs that were perscribed back when I was intimately familiar with the shortcomings of psychiatry are now off patent.
I didn’t realise things like Zyprexa are now off patent. Remeron etc etc.
It’s easy to see how once anyone can make these drugs the purely money making corrupting influence is greatly lessened. Drug company’s are obviously going to be less incentivised to pervert the system in their favor if someone might just buy the clone instead.
I think that it comes down to how things go from the top. What the elite decide to do and how much they can get away with.
I think that it’s not just psychiatry treatments that are in trouble, western medicine as a whole is starting to develop a credibility problem because of pharmaceuticals.
We also have science progressing to the point where maybe people start living a lot longer ? And if that’s too many people ?
Seems like rose colored glasses in a way. I’m not saying therapy can’t help anyone but you appear to be saying that focusing on a person’s health can’t help the mind either, that no issue might be a health issue which seems kinda ridiculous.
Have any of these professions ever had a good reputation ? Who isn’t really a nutcase ? Freud, Jung, Skinner,etc etc.
When hasn’t there been nutcase psychiatrists engaging in some kind of eugenics ? Wandering around the country performing labotomies or shocking people ? “Deep sleep therapy” and so on and so on.
Has psychiatry ever really been a noble profession ?
bah nvm see other forms listed at the end. Point still stands regarding lithium and orotates though. I’d be interested to know if orotic acid really is toxic to humans.
Would suggest that what this business actually sells is either in orotate or aspartic form. It’s even suggested that orotates are good so basically you say lithium orotate is bad, and link to a site that may actually be selling it, or at least, isn’t claiming it’s toxic.
Just to add, i’m not sure why that compound would be less toxic than others as well. I know there is an old study showing orotic acid is bad for rats but not necessarily humans ?
Interesting that the site you list there actually sells a form of lithium =)
I watched a documentary about Britan and it basically concured with what you’re saying here. It shows a lot of brits basically getting by with freelance work only.
The main thing that kinda itches me over what you say, that this is due to the adoption of an ideology rather than some other reflection. Why are all these countries in debt ?
It seems like there’s going to be problems with any ideology if everyone is in debt and if countries turn to communism to pay off their debt there will be problems with that too.
Is any amount of Lithium neurotoxic ? Is it definitely not an essential trace element ? I see people talking about heavy metals, well copper, selenium, zinc are heavy metals but we still need them.
Just to add, I do think it’s pretty much the height of scumbaggery to take someone’s money, often times a substantial amount of money that could go towards something else, and then essentially, manipulate a person instead of providing a service.
So in reality the pragmatic value of CBT as a therapeutic method (in the short run) can be achieved without any type of moral compass or historical barometer to determine if the end result actually advances the cause of humanity, or if it only meets the immediate selfish needs of its user in the moment. In other words, we need to ask the important question: for whom is the CBT method being used, and for what purpose?ā
This is one of the reasons I wouldn’t bother with a psychologist again. It’s not up to the preson you’re paying to decide whether or not they’ll help you or not. You pay them, they help you.
For example: “oh I won’t teach this person x or y until they decide to get a job at a fast food restaurant, take their drugs, marry a single mother” etc etc. Not the psychologist’s place, when does it just become brainwashing ? When you say “short term” it seems like you might be making a judgement call that really is showing arrogance.
It helps get an easy answer yeah ? Grease the skids.
This one can be diabolical because not only did someone in the family’s past potentially get screwed over but it can be used as an excuse to screw over someone from the next generation.
those who were paid less and had less control over their work schedules, as a group, were higher on inflammatory markers even after controlling for possible differences in diet and smoking (Steptoe et al., 2003).
How can that controlling really be done ? It seems like an awfully difficult thing to do.
Few blame the drugs , because drugs make the money for the media .
because the left want to ban guns and the right arc up to try and stop it.
The opportunity not to be wasted is the chance to ban guns or sell guns, not to highlight that only a moron would actually perscribe or imbibe most psychiatric drugs.
You don’t need a multi-year degree to know that water is wet.
Take Zyprexa for instance, it’s known to mess with blood sugar and then you give it to a demographic that probably won’t be very active or necessaily have great diets, gee I wonder if that might cause problems ?!?!?
Just to add, if anything you’re the one trying to slide comments off the front page with these empty comments.
Thereās plenty of āmadnessā but Iām not seeing any science. Only grandiose delusions.
Interesting that you suddenly turn up, smatter years old articles and this one regarding ADHD with brief/one line personal attack quips in less than 10 minutes.
You can’t expect anyone that uses this site to take you seriously if you’re just going to do this. There’s no way this site is an “echo chamber” or “hugbox”, i’ve never seen them censor anything.
Heaven forbid parents research and make decisions themsevles when it comes to vaccines, no you’re a kook if you think that’s the best route. The best route is clearly just forcing injections regardless of what the parents think, I mean duh ! You don’t want to be seen as one of them kooks !
Pretty much how it went for me in NSW Australia. The job agency wouldn’t just help me look for work, they get money if they can have you on the books as someone with major mental illnesses. So of course when I refused to go along I didn’t just get nothing, I actually got calls from indian accented debt collectors saying I owed back payments.
Real classy.
Maybe what you are saying is true but doesn’t this also become an excuse for bad… evil behaviour ?
I mean broken down the practicioner is essentially saying “it’s ok that I messed this person over because it made them stronger, so it’s good and i’m good”
I personally have a real problem with this kind of thinking. Maybe adversity can be good for a person… maybe life isn’t fair but if you’re setting out to prove it … how can you really know it’s the right thing to be doing and how are other people not supposed to assume you’re just a bad person ?
It’s a vicious cycle right ? Person gets the diagnosis, gets the stigma, needs welfare to live so then defends the diagnosis.
When it comes to autism, I know there is a movement with it for plain acceptance but if it’s an actual known neurological disorder… I mean it is what it is. Sorry to be blunt but if someone has brain damage or a neurological disorder and society can’t find a job for them then you can get as creative as you like with labels but the actual situation stays the same.
Though ironically the person you quote there in my mind is displaying enough acumen with communication that I would question if they really were debilitated to the point that they couldn’t work in some useful capacity.
It certainly appears that parents have to be vigilant in raising their kids these days. There’s just so many things to keep a real close eye on beyond even the psychiatry nonsense.
Vaccinations, weirdos in the education process (gender crap etc), possible polutants everywhere, making sure diet is good etc etc.
To be fair at least the authour is looking to or advocates actually engaging with clients rather than taking a ‘clinical’ approach.
I haven’t visted this site for ages… but your writing reminds me of this guy…
I think you and this guy would get along, should share notes haha.
Casual use of a search engine leads to plenty of sources that say the stimulants perscribed for ADHD can cause problems with the heart.
Also I guess it might be convienient to focus specifically on mortality because then you don’t have to address the other thing that jumps out and that’s the impact on growth, which would be a pretty important side effect for kids on a “maintainance dose”.
I think that changing the language is only really a loss for them. Even though we live in a crazy marketed world where up can mean down a push for greater accuracy with language means a push for greater accuracy on the whole I think.
Some of these diagnosis like bipolar disorder get so elaborate that in the end it just kinda looks like… life… human ? heh.
I think that’s basically been done already really, in a way the OP makes a good point I guess.
We’re basically at a point where you either see that there is something going on with politics and the media or you’re some kind of idiot. Unfortunately in my opinion even here some posters/commenters kinda look like shills or idiots.
I don’t think that hardcore communism is really compatible with ‘antipsychiatry’ because how do you get people to conform with hardcore communism ? Probably use psychiatry type methods in some way right ?
Great points but i’m not quite sure I agree with the approach you want to take. One of the tactics the enemy uses is divide and conquer.
If you insist on being critital of the current mental health paradigm + something else, no matter how much sense it makes to you, you are potentially dividing.
The thing with psychiatry/big pharma, is there does appear to be some element of higher up that seem to be ok with it being challenged. Is that controlled opposition ? Is this site itself merely controlled oppositition ? Who knows, there’s certainly some odd things I see about it, anyway it seems to me that you’re better off just focusing on the many many weak points of the mental health system if that’s the forum you happen to be in. At some point there may be a point where the greater system has to either yield or enforce. Forced injecting of vaccines seems like a neat bypass.
Who knows though I personally think you can’t beat working on an individual level, you should be getting people to avoid diagnosis/screening, question their “diagnosis” if they have one, and get them off psychiatric medication if they are on them. That’s winning the way the current system is.
Basically an admission that “diagnosis” is disempowering and to be avoided.
I guess us plebs only really need to know that…
mental health screening = good
guns = bad
When it comes to certain types of events in the USA who really knows what the hell really happens at this point.
Heh the depressing thing is that some might be ready to talk, and some might be ready to do something else.
Oh I forgot the TV show “House” where they devoted a big portion of a season to the most pro-psychiatry advertisement you could possibly imagine.
The doctor hooked on pain meds, needs to go to the mental hospital where he can then take different drugs to cope, there’s the classic bipolar buddy … organisisng a revolt and a story that ends with him causing some guy to really believe he can fly and kill himself.
Yeah there are movies that are pro-drug-psychiatry Shutter Island is another one.
The latest one is probably “The Voices” with Ryan Reynolds, basically where the protagonists entire reality changes to a ridiculous degree based on whether he takes a pill or not.
To be fair though there’s also a tonne of movies that don’t paint psychiatry in a good light either. I haven’t seen Silver Linings Playbook or Side Effects but apparently they aren’t exactly pro-psychiatry to name a few.
I generally try to avoid any movie that involves psychiatry, unless it accurately shows how full of crap it is, then maybe.
Just to raise something else with the drugs, there’s murmurings around that sometimes the filler/binding agents/coating of the medications can also be bad.
For instance there seems to be pushback against the use of phthalates in enteric coating/time release medications.
Might not even be the drugs, maybe getting told they have an illness and the reinforcement of it is enough to cause apathy that “shows up in advance brain scans”.
You have got to be kidding me.
I just don’t even.
How are people so irresponsible ? Taking that stuff while pregnant. I’m not a doctor but personally it blows my mind to even think people don’t attempt to get off that stuff for at least 2 years before getting pregnant.
Heh, credit for being offended and wanting to actually matter. I’m sure a lot of people that have dealt with this stuff would rather blow their brains than deal with true believers professionally.
I’m not sure about the language side, I agree with you but what can you do ? The entire thing is loaded, framed, jargonised etc etc. At the end of the day i’m not sure how you can _be_ a psychiatrist/clinical psychologist/etc talking at an event and not mention ‘disorders’, ‘illness’ and so on and so forth.
In the end I’m not sure how any of this can exist if you’re not getting up and claiming that there is something wrong with someone. I don’t believe in censoring or policing language but I can see how it’s definitely part of the problem. I guess you should just be able to counter it by pointing it out to others rather than enforcing the other side to shut up or use different wording.
Probably won’t matter though, looks like they’re just going to be able to put whatever they want into vaccines and people will just be forced to take them.
Pakistan seems like a great place to live, it has the added stress of worrying about whether a “vaccine vigilante” will be coming to inject your child.
It just screams…. nice…. and caring.
Just waiting when the social justice really gets into psychiatry. We can have “toxic masculinity disorder” or “privilege checking deficiency disorder” to name a few.
“EUPD”, lol never even heard of it.
I wouldn’t have thought they’d go with something so nebulous. Though if there’s a way to fix all the political correctness craziness going on in the Western world i’d be all for something that works and I agree clearly drugs aren’t working on these people.
In a way it’s true even on this site. Lots of content here is presented in a certain way. I’m not saying it’s not great information given out by obvious experts, but I sometimes wonder why they don’t write in a more plain manner.
Just saying this after only looking a this on the surface and not looking at the full details of the study:
Anyway, just from reading this there’s a few things that are ??? Like it’s not just the data, it’s where the data comes from and who it’s going to. Authority. Like of course psychology students are going to be more impressed with neuroscience stuff instead of “hard science” and what I think is funny too is how much weight researchers often place on what is essentially surveys. People can lie in a survey, or answer in a way to appear to impress or curry favor for their teacher or organisation they work for or need something from for instance.
What student is going to be the one jeopardizing their grades or future whatever over a stupid survey ? The student might think the teachers like their ego stroked over the waffly sciency stuff there, but they might still think it’s actual bullshit.
Thatās quite a leap thereā¦ destruction of property in riots to destroying *people* in the 9/11 attacks.
Whether it’s lives being destroyed or property it’s the same concept. Taking out frustrations on innocent people is stupid.
When people wonder why there isn’t a pharmacy in the neighborhood anymore for example, what will people say ? “oh yeah because we trashed the one that was there… why did we do that again ? Oh yeah uhm because we had a problem with the police… so we trashed the pharmacy”
And yet, on the other hand, there is something important about going beyond the usual peaceful protests, demonstrating outrage, and an unwillingness to protest only within the bounds of the same law that is killing you that is important, too.
I don’t think you are stupid, but I don’t think you are being honest. I ask myself, would this person take a bag of cash to provocateur and race bait ?
Who defines anything ? Who defines hypocrite ? Who draws the line ?
Did the fundamentalist muslims that carried out the 9/11 attack have a legitimate gripe… and so what they did was ok ? Was it ok… as long as you weren’t in the tower when it happened ? As long as a family member, or someone you knew wasn’t killed ?
Should you be mad at the terrorist/freedom fighter ? Or the government ? Both ?
Maybe it’s ok to say you understand why the riots happened, but it’s not ok to offer any kind of excuse for them in my opinion. There is no excuse, it’s just stupid, and if you’re cheering them on or think they’re achieving anything other than worse conditions longer term you are also stupid.
As bad as psychiatry might have been or is I don’t really trust that sociology, “the scientific study of social behaviour”, will provide real benefits to anyone either.
I struggle to find a reason why you would apply science to this area at all, it is simply always going to be… problematic.
It is strange how many people buy this stuff, you can have supposedly skeptical people, even scientists that seem to have this blind spot when it comes to psychiatry.
It’s weird. Like these geeks or atheist types that can rail against all forms of religion or cult, but there’s this massive load of pseudoscience going unnoticed right under their nose !
I remember watching some tv program, I think this is it …
Even if this is true I find it hard to believe why people are trying to figure this out, feels like it kind of makes a mockery of democracy.
It’s funny how these are the guys who are supposed to figure out what is an isn’t delusion.
At this point, not even trying to engage in any kind of debate in regards to psychiatry shows only delusion or corruption.
Maybe he isn’t lying though, maybe in his mind the current mental health paradigm is simply too big to fail and so if you’re asking difficult questions, you really are a menace.
Makes my blood boil to think of kids getting messed up by psychiatry.
I can’t help but think there must be a better way.
You say the medication helps some people sometimes. How do we really know that though ? How intertwined is the whole thing.
Like we have placebo right ? But what about… “reverse placebo” as it were. Someone gets told they have a problem, fully backed by the authority of government, peers etc. It’s not easy to just turn the back to that.
Looking at the drugs, there seems to be no point in taking any antidepressant, there doesn’t seem to be much of anything behind taking a “mood stabilizer”, I can’t really see the point in taking lithium to the point where it’s classed as a drug instead of a mineral, and all the other drugs are for epilepsy which is an actual neurological disorder.
So that leaves “antipsychotics”, as far as I can tell the main thing these drugs do is knock people out when they’re very distressed. So in effect, they’re a hardcore sleeping pill. I’ve never heard voices myself so, maybe they do stop voices for some people. For me, hearing voices seems like the only legitimate differing from the average experience that a person might have.
Not going to mention sleeping tablets and benzos because as far as I know even psychiatrist worth their salt don’t want patients being dependant on them.
Anyway I pretty much agree with the rest, i’ll just add that it does get a lot easier… and really who knows like other people say it used to be called a nervous breakdown and you just got back on with life.
The professional who proclaims this strange notion of truth now gets to hold my health for ransom. After a psychosomatic diagnosis enters medical records, all further medical investigation and care are compromised.
I basically agree that once this happens it seems like you can basically forget about seeing a doctor unless you can point to something that is obviously wrong with you. e.g if you have a giant rash then it will be hard for the doctor to blame that on depression.
However, there’s also the thing… if an illness “is in your head”, or not an illness but just mental distress etc and doctors don’t really know anything except to charge outrageous amounts of money for damaging drugs or nothing then avoiding that can only be beneficial.
So the caltech shooter, he wasn’t all kinds of crazy, he’s ok ?
Any of this is really looking for a foot in the door to ban them all. I don’t really understand why they keep thinking that throwing up excuses is going to work though. Do they think they’re going to change anyone’s mind on this issue ?
It’s a strange time, there are more discoveries about what is good for us but there’s this clamping down as well.
I know from my own personal experience that I could sometimes get an ear infection and if I went to the doctor, i’d just get a prescription for amoxycillin etc but it’s no joke to say that there are supplements that work too. Just one example.
It’s so frustrating that no one seems to grasp these issues of basic freedom anymore. Even my own family just don’t seem to get it.
We’ll be there watching the news, oh and there’s a report about how a mother was getting her welfare benefits cut if she didn’t agree to vaccinate her child.
I’m not against vaccines, i’m not saying they don’t work or they all cause autism but how does anyone see that the government being able to force injections on people as a great idea ? The parent should be making an informed decision and it’s incredibly low to say you can’t refuse a vaccines on religious grounds, because you are poor !
I honestly don’t really know anymore, I feel like i’m just living in crazy land filled with crazy people and there’s nothing I can do about it because i’m just outnumbered.
It’s terrible really and even i’m tempted to play victim to get my rewards. I don’t work, i’d love to be but I can’t really do much to remedy things without using this crap as an excuse.
bah ! I don’t really know what to do besides try to stay reasonably healthy and be honest in my disdain for psychiatry. mad world.
I just don’t think it’s the time for leverage. We can’t convince enough people for capitalism to work and for some reason the left wing has become psychotically authoritarian.
It’s pretty bad in Australia.
Anyway, yeah big deal a made up illness kinda looks like another made up illness, so don’t question that maybe they’re both bullshit, oh no.
it is pretty funny how the disease always becomes more complex to cover for the fact that they can’t really explain what it is.
It’s weird to hear something explained as a “mixed episode” for instance. It’s really ridiculous to think about.
Might be an arrogant approach to take but it’s hard not to see how human beings can be influenced by ideas. Sometimes I ask, what came first ? The idea of depression, or the depression ?
I was heartened by Dr. Piesā complaint about Mad In America. It shows that mainstream psychiatry feels very threatened by any real public discussion of its shortcomings.
I don’t mean to be negative but I can’t help feeling that this corruption is all linked. The corruption in psychiatry isn’t isolated.
We have mandatory vaccines getting pushed… strange oppressive censorship “diversity”, feminism… hell it looks like even riots are being funded ? whole mass shootings or bombing might even be completely made up ?
I really hope there’s some good guys out there that have some idea how to clean all this dodgy behavior up because the world to me looks like it’s in a lot of trouble and the falsehood of psychiatry is just one part of the greater disease.
This article didn’t originate on this site =)
It would contain “except on global warming” somewhere in there if it did. That would be dissenting, it’s different to challenging of course.
Why bother sorting out heresay ? Simply object !
It still blows my mind how they just decided on the type and dosage of lithium. No one ever seems to question it either just yep get that level to 0.6-075 in the bloodstream, are they still alive ? Cool !
Good for business regular pathology tests though.
Your rationalization is a problem for me in two ways.
Mentioning prisons implies that this isn’t really so much about doctoring but law enforcement. Social control etc.
As far as i’m aware there is still no proof that psychiatric illnesses actually exist as discrete medical conditions. Therefore the treatments can not be justified.
Psychiatrists swore an oath to do no harm, things like chemotherapy treat actual illness even though they cause damage in the process. With psychiatric treatment, there is only harm because it is not doctoring in the first place.
As for the specific drug you mention, in my opinion it takes a particularly sick individual to prescribe and enforce compliance of that drug, particularly to males. If you want to talk about suicide that drug is a good way to induce it, man boobs, no orgasm, zombified, weight gain, looking forward to an emotionless existence with an early grave…….
It is interesting, hey we can call it delusion right, but you can’t argue that it isn’t lucrative delusion. The way western society works, hell the way psychology even works is that if it gets you money, “success” then it it’s a belief worth having right ? Throw out all those pesky “unhelpful” beliefs and ethics that don’t get you the bucks.
I like the hierarchy of svengali too, so you have your local svengali who thinks the nation svengali is a hero. Putting out these little pamphlets full of complete nonsense with pet arbitrary “diagnosis” and poisoning, oops I mean “treatment”.
Disease-model, eugenic, thinking is a direct threat to me personally, especially given the recent rise of UKIP and other far-right parties in Europe.
I don’t really know much specifically about UKIP or other far right parties in Europe but I highly doubt that any of them would have reintroducing racist eugenic policies as part of their agenda.
This really sounds like fear mongering on your part. Conflating ‘right wing’, anti-immigration, etc with nazi eugenics is surely wishful thinking.
It’s getting harder these days too, considering the giant push lately for forced innoculation.
Makes you wonder what will happen, even if things like vaccines are shown to have caused illness. Governmental agencies and phamaceutical companies will claim they fixed whatever glitch there was and will still demand to inject you with whatever they like… for the herd.
No offence but I read something like this ?
“I understand where your coming from, my point is that structural violence comes from our still, overwhelmingly UNCONSCIOUS, behavioural motivation. Particularly in Western educated world, with no history of developing āembodiedā self-awareness.”
First I might ask, why use the term “structural violence” ?
Secondly can’t you see that although this all looks intellectual, what does it actually mean ? What is the unconcious ? Don’t you think you’re being rather assumptive ?
I’m just not sure what you’re really looking for when you say *movement*, does a protest infront of a conference of sold out ‘doctors’ do anything ? Are lawsuits here and there ?
I think what does the most is getting accurate information to a person who is doubting what they are being told. Giving them alternatves etc. If it’s safe to reject this system then I think more people won’t get caught up in it.
I’m not sure that you can really convince the complex that exists to just go away of it’s own violition. Unfortunately people do buy into the model, unfortunately there are benefits for people who do, benefits that have nothing to do with actually being right. I feel with some of these people you might only see regret from them when confronted with the damage. E.g someone that has taken benzos for 3 years might not regret it now, but maybe they will in 30 years time. I think this is important here because we are getting to a point where there will be an observable impact of the cost of what this system is doing with newer drugs etc but the counter to this is things don’t seem to be slowing down with debt, US immigration etc so government cost doesn’t seem to be the conern you’d assume it would be.
I have agreed with you in the past about the progressive element but hey to use one of their phrases…. we are not a monolith but I do hope some of these people do see that “social justice” sure can look a lot like tyranny or authoritarianism if you breach the well meaning surface.
I think one thing to take note of these days, the way things are with corruption and the internet.
There are literally teams of people who’s sole job is to monitor the internet, social media etc. This is not paranoia.
Now, with this in mind if you consider that… when something is working or there is something a pharmaceutical company doesn’t want you to do, they will be sneaky about getting you to stop doing it.
I think that the author is spot on and so are you pretty much, I agree that this kind of stuff basically doesn’t even really deserve a response.
As for the movement, I think that if it’s kept as a PR/information war you can get to people individually and that’s really where it’s at, until you can somehow get past that corruption and get to a tipping point where psychiatry becomes universally unpopular and therefore starved.
The main threat is when this stuff becomes forced or involves crazy levels of brainwashing etc. There’s a point almost all individuals can reach where they can terminate all “treatment” and there’s nothing anyone can do about it, obviously it depends on what the level of difficulty is on that but it’s possible with determination, patience etc.
lol nevermind huge mistake, your picture looks a lot different in the about us section from your post icon. sorry about that.
Can you clarify what your role is on this site ? It’s just that you have “MIA Author” next to your name but you seem to be speaking with authority here. You seem to often be speaking on behalf of the group that is apparently running the site.
The main thing that bothers me about is it seems reductive but the author has explained this is because it’s a blog post, fair enough.
Still I really don’t like thinking this way whether it’s true or not if i’m being honest.
Just to add, if you look, there’s an increase in a lot of things you wouldn’t necessarily expect along with “mental illness”.
Cancer, allergies, autism etc is that all just genetics combining in bad ways ?
The thing is that … OK … we basically assume these days that the brain is the mind. People can theorize about quantum mechanics and the brain being an antenna, souls or whatever, anything is possible I guess.
Anyway, if the brain is the mind (or the mind is a slave to the brain or excluding any number of other possibilities here) then any behaviour or thoughts are a symptom of the brain working right ? So in that respect it’s hard to argue against this model, but like has been said are the ‘diseases’ really diseases !?!? I don’t think so.
These days everyone is expected to be somewhat of a computer, somewhat of a robot in order to be successful. I don’t know. I think with a lot of these problems toxins, diet, lifestyle, outlook, shitty circumstances are the real explanation rather than brain diseases.
I’m skeptical of the whole system as it currently stands and I’m skeptical of anyone who really thinks they have some sort of guru status when it comes to the human condition, time and time again the trait that seems to come through is arrogance or just plain craziness.
So it’s “high-potency” marijuana that is associated.
As opposed to ?
I hear also that it’s given to people with body dis-morphia, anorexia etc to make them gain weight.
Seems like crazy doctoring to me.
Sometimes I wonder if that isn’t intended and if it’s such a bad thing.
“A true science of the human mind”, i’m not sure that’s something we should necessarily be wishing for.
After reading this too just find it ironic that a so called inferior people communicated in a way that defied code breaking attempts during World War II.
I see what you were leading up to with part 1, hard not to see it as oppression.
If you remove race from this, remove nature then what does that say about the tests ? Should all tests like the ones mentioned be done away with ?
Seems like a lot of suffering to cause for a $2000 pay day. Surely the guy was benefitiing more than that one charge would indicate and what happens to the company that offered the kickback ?
Does seem crazy how little psychiatrists seem to really know. Take this “visual snow” stuff. People have only recently been talking about it but it’s supposed to be an indicator for anxiety and depression. A study suggests it might be a part of the brain “hyper metabolising”.
Something i’ve had for as long as I can remember /shrug.
And while a lot of people know what the deal is you’ve still got this kinda stuff going on in the name of “Social Justice” …
http://www.activistpost.com/2015/09/mind-control-engineers-drugging-children-for-social-justice.html
I dunno I personally don’t consider that “levelling the playing field”, quite the opposite.
I agree that this is really where it’s at and probably what gets overlooked even though psychiatrists are doctors.
It’s disappointing these days, in Australia i’ve been trying not get get too upset over this “mental as” campaign they’ve had going.
I get the feeling sometimes that they are honestly trying to deride looking after yourself, exercising, living healthy etc. Seems like this is seen as “wanting to live forever young” or something.
Just to add, the one after this is the “kindling” theory. i.e if you don’t take your drugs, you’ll have more episodes, your “illness” will progress, your iq will go down etc.
From my experience professionals are less likely to try and scare people with that one, but it’s still there and no doubt being used by “professionals” to get people to regularly take drugs.
Heh, well it’s funny because this still goes on regardless of this Pies character. There’s no doubt in my mind that there’s thousands of people in the world that are still being told to take drugs because they have a medical condition, that “it’s just like insulin for diabetes” etc.
You think these higher ups are really interested in correcting any of this ? It’s a primary method to sell, or to get people to go along willingly with regularly taking health-damaging drugs.
Thank you ā a false but disconcertingly effective argument against the movement has always been to guilt-trip people over not having āalternatives.ā The alternative is ending capitalism and the ongoing trauma and alienation it causes.
I don’t want to derail whatever goes on with this site sometimes but I feel like this always seems to creep in. I feel like i’m doing the derailing but really, it feels like i’m trying to keep the damn thing on the rails. There’s people trying to make it about feminism, race, capitalism, global warming.
Psychiatry can fuck over anyone that gets caught up in it.
You mention capitalism but psychiatric style oppression kicked along just fine in Soviet Russia… it went gang busters. Any system is really going to be as good as the people running it. Maybe the left wing academic type people feel they’re going to be on the good side of all this, like they will benefit but the death of one system isn’t some guarantee things will be better for everyone, in fact, more people might end up getting screwed.
Just to add it’s funny but I see social media as basically just infants or high school in perpetuity. It’s all just about being seen to be socially acceptable and when there’s big money there it’s really hard to go against that without an angry, dumb mob coming at you or the shunning to commence.
Ehh don’t be so sure of who you are dealing with on the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=30&v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
That said though, yeah it’s a tough issue, i’m not sure what you’re talking about exactly but I do feel sorry for people that get manipulated with this stuff.
Look at what happened with “Anonymous” and Scientology. Do some of those poor kids even know why they were firing up those ping flooding programs ? /shrug yeah I know I know. Bah.
Well, I don’t want to offend you. I’ll just say that I don’t believe in giving up when it comes to this stuff.
I donāt know how to change this. But it has to change, because without a mass movement, the forces that will be necessary to end psychiatric oppression just arenāt there.
Well these days there’s the internet. I enjoyed watching the video of you standing outside a conference inferring psychiatrists are sociopaths and it would be great if everyone thought that way but yeah they don’t.
This site is great, there’s tonnes of real information here and so people can make their own individual choice. That is the most important thing imho, people being able to make their own choice.
This is also tied into a whole sort-of level of deceit/paradigm change and the system clamping down. It’s a weird time, lot of lies exposed, system doubling down on those lies.
Just to add on the intervention thing. See what we have here in Australia where they bring up cyber bullying.
The media always focuses on the bullies rather they brining up the idea that maybe it would be a good idea to educate kids on the dangers of getting sucked into social media and to learn to shake it off instead of letting a few lines of text be a reason to end their life.
When you say “We”, who are you referring to ? It’s ok to speak for yourself.
it is becoming more and more out of reach for a lot of people because of outrages cost for treatment.
I honestly believe beyond treating someone for acute trauma there isn’t really a whole lot going on with psychiatry, with most of the drugs prescribed. In my experience anyway. Every single drug prescribed by a psychiatrist is damaging to a person’s health in some way, not beneficial. Therefore it is smart to avoid them if you can. It’s really that simple.
that want to claim mental illness is not real at all, in any shape or form
Well as far as I’m aware there still isn’t any definitive proof that there are permanent discrete diseases. I think that people do have problems coping, I do sometimes myself but I also believe that there’s more to human health than what is projected by western medicine. Things change every day as to what is supposed to be good for us or not. There are people taking all kinds of medication they probably don’t have to if they changed their diet etc etc.
These interest cherry pick what many like you post here Dr. Burstow to support cuts for care
please be careful in not helping to cut our throats, the mental ill, as you do it who are struggling day in and day out to gain care and treatment for our mental illness in our communities around the world.
Kinda looks like you’re the one that might be cherry picking but yeah I do believe that if treatment is ultimately useless that it’s pointless to fund it. If it’s keeping some Ph.D in a job I don’t care about that.
Really it depends what we’re talking about. Are we talking about “early intervention” or a homeless “schizophrenic” talking to himself as he walks down the CBD ?
With the early intervention, I think we should have education given teaching kids basic skills on how to deal with anxiety/fear/stress but I don’t believe they should have negative labels slapped on them and be given a tray full of poison.
For other stuff, I wonder what the point is in just lobbing antipsychotics at someone, maybe it will calm someone down but does that treat what might be an underlying problem ? Bad diet, deficiency ?
Anyway, i’ve rambled enough.
Focus on a persons health, make sure that’s good and then figure out a way for them to be happy, content, useful, whatever it is that’s going to work out for everyone.
That seems like the best way to me, as long as you’re there thinking to yourself that you are better or know more or looking for control or to protect your own interests you should be doomed to failure.
Who decides what is “mental illness”, you ? Someone else ? As much as I would like to believe sometimes that all these scientists experimenting doesn’t mean anything and it’s all bunk and all you need is some guru to work their talk juju on you, the real problem as I see it are ethical, trust based ones.
Really it’s all the same crap and typically can boil down to the best course of action to not see a psychologist or psychiatrist at all or engage with what any of these patronising “services”.
How does it all work ? In what way is psychiatry well meaning ? Well only perhaps is that the ultimate goal appears to be that you stop struggling while you enable their livelyhoods, take the negative label(s) and then either have your independant thought,health or both destroyed.
I think there is a line somewhere, it’s easy to say “who knows why anyone does what they do”, whenever things get difficult. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it feels like a copout.
Honestly it is kind of dumb, here in Australia we’re having days 5 degrees below the average etc.
While the moronic corrupt president of the AMA (Australia Medical Association) is talking about how global warming is a health issue.
I don’t know, kind of over it, but all I know is if I had any kind of say in the matter there’s no way I would just be handing money to a bunch of people that are only interested in setting up some kind of authoritarian nightmare global government.
I dunno it seems like it’s getting pointless to argue on this stuff.
What is meant by poltical will ? A tax on all countries that goes towards global government ?
This is a typical kind of authoritarion left advocacy. Do any of them really care about the environment ? Or just more power for your Rockerfeller’s, Al Gores, Rothchilds etc. If anyone wants to really talk about this stuff fine, but if you just want a rubber stamp you’re probably always going to run into opposition, as you should.
Like I said in the previous article on this subject, I still find it hard to tell if lithium isn’t benefical to the human body as a mineral.
I know there have been tests on worms and it’s increased their lifespan for instance.
http://biomedgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/01/03/gerona.glt210.full
ETC. From what i’ve read some say it’s neuroprotective or increases grey matter, some say it just increases water content or something.
Either way, from what I see, yep it does seem pretty stupid to take a whopping dose of lithium carbonate. More data on it though would be good to find.
Ian Hickie is pretty much the go-to guy to talk about “mental health” on the TV here in Australia.
Not surprised he usually appears on the ABC and i’m not surprised this story is on the Guardian.
It’s usually just all bullshit. It’s getting more obvious every day that even the state run broadcaster here is always pushing an agenda that the people probably don’t want.
To add, something a little more down to earth is the fact that many of the drugs that were perscribed back when I was intimately familiar with the shortcomings of psychiatry are now off patent.
I didn’t realise things like Zyprexa are now off patent. Remeron etc etc.
It’s easy to see how once anyone can make these drugs the purely money making corrupting influence is greatly lessened. Drug company’s are obviously going to be less incentivised to pervert the system in their favor if someone might just buy the clone instead.
I think that it comes down to how things go from the top. What the elite decide to do and how much they can get away with.
I think that it’s not just psychiatry treatments that are in trouble, western medicine as a whole is starting to develop a credibility problem because of pharmaceuticals.
We also have science progressing to the point where maybe people start living a lot longer ? And if that’s too many people ?
Seems like rose colored glasses in a way. I’m not saying therapy can’t help anyone but you appear to be saying that focusing on a person’s health can’t help the mind either, that no issue might be a health issue which seems kinda ridiculous.
Have any of these professions ever had a good reputation ? Who isn’t really a nutcase ? Freud, Jung, Skinner,etc etc.
When hasn’t there been nutcase psychiatrists engaging in some kind of eugenics ? Wandering around the country performing labotomies or shocking people ? “Deep sleep therapy” and so on and so on.
Has psychiatry ever really been a noble profession ?
bah nvm see other forms listed at the end. Point still stands regarding lithium and orotates though. I’d be interested to know if orotic acid really is toxic to humans.
Last post I swear.
Reading here http://www.arltma.com/Supplements/Chelated_Minerals.html
Would suggest that what this business actually sells is either in orotate or aspartic form. It’s even suggested that orotates are good so basically you say lithium orotate is bad, and link to a site that may actually be selling it, or at least, isn’t claiming it’s toxic.
Just to add, i’m not sure why that compound would be less toxic than others as well. I know there is an old study showing orotic acid is bad for rats but not necessarily humans ?
Interesting that the site you list there actually sells a form of lithium =)
http://www.arltma.com/Supplements/Product_Catalog/Minerals.html#lithium
I watched a documentary about Britan and it basically concured with what you’re saying here. It shows a lot of brits basically getting by with freelance work only.
The main thing that kinda itches me over what you say, that this is due to the adoption of an ideology rather than some other reflection. Why are all these countries in debt ?
It seems like there’s going to be problems with any ideology if everyone is in debt and if countries turn to communism to pay off their debt there will be problems with that too.
Is any amount of Lithium neurotoxic ? Is it definitely not an essential trace element ? I see people talking about heavy metals, well copper, selenium, zinc are heavy metals but we still need them.
Just to add, I do think it’s pretty much the height of scumbaggery to take someone’s money, often times a substantial amount of money that could go towards something else, and then essentially, manipulate a person instead of providing a service.
So in reality the pragmatic value of CBT as a therapeutic method (in the short run) can be achieved without any type of moral compass or historical barometer to determine if the end result actually advances the cause of humanity, or if it only meets the immediate selfish needs of its user in the moment. In other words, we need to ask the important question: for whom is the CBT method being used, and for what purpose?ā
This is one of the reasons I wouldn’t bother with a psychologist again. It’s not up to the preson you’re paying to decide whether or not they’ll help you or not. You pay them, they help you.
For example: “oh I won’t teach this person x or y until they decide to get a job at a fast food restaurant, take their drugs, marry a single mother” etc etc. Not the psychologist’s place, when does it just become brainwashing ? When you say “short term” it seems like you might be making a judgement call that really is showing arrogance.
It helps get an easy answer yeah ? Grease the skids.
This one can be diabolical because not only did someone in the family’s past potentially get screwed over but it can be used as an excuse to screw over someone from the next generation.
those who were paid less and had less control over their work schedules, as a group, were higher on inflammatory markers even after controlling for possible differences in diet and smoking (Steptoe et al., 2003).
How can that controlling really be done ? It seems like an awfully difficult thing to do.
Few blame the drugs , because drugs make the money for the media .
because the left want to ban guns and the right arc up to try and stop it.
The opportunity not to be wasted is the chance to ban guns or sell guns, not to highlight that only a moron would actually perscribe or imbibe most psychiatric drugs.
You don’t need a multi-year degree to know that water is wet.
Take Zyprexa for instance, it’s known to mess with blood sugar and then you give it to a demographic that probably won’t be very active or necessaily have great diets, gee I wonder if that might cause problems ?!?!?
Just to add, if anything you’re the one trying to slide comments off the front page with these empty comments.
Thereās plenty of āmadnessā but Iām not seeing any science. Only grandiose delusions.
Interesting that you suddenly turn up, smatter years old articles and this one regarding ADHD with brief/one line personal attack quips in less than 10 minutes.
You can’t expect anyone that uses this site to take you seriously if you’re just going to do this. There’s no way this site is an “echo chamber” or “hugbox”, i’ve never seen them censor anything.
Heaven forbid parents research and make decisions themsevles when it comes to vaccines, no you’re a kook if you think that’s the best route. The best route is clearly just forcing injections regardless of what the parents think, I mean duh ! You don’t want to be seen as one of them kooks !
Pretty much how it went for me in NSW Australia. The job agency wouldn’t just help me look for work, they get money if they can have you on the books as someone with major mental illnesses. So of course when I refused to go along I didn’t just get nothing, I actually got calls from indian accented debt collectors saying I owed back payments.
Real classy.
Maybe what you are saying is true but doesn’t this also become an excuse for bad… evil behaviour ?
I mean broken down the practicioner is essentially saying “it’s ok that I messed this person over because it made them stronger, so it’s good and i’m good”
I personally have a real problem with this kind of thinking. Maybe adversity can be good for a person… maybe life isn’t fair but if you’re setting out to prove it … how can you really know it’s the right thing to be doing and how are other people not supposed to assume you’re just a bad person ?
It’s a vicious cycle right ? Person gets the diagnosis, gets the stigma, needs welfare to live so then defends the diagnosis.
When it comes to autism, I know there is a movement with it for plain acceptance but if it’s an actual known neurological disorder… I mean it is what it is. Sorry to be blunt but if someone has brain damage or a neurological disorder and society can’t find a job for them then you can get as creative as you like with labels but the actual situation stays the same.
Though ironically the person you quote there in my mind is displaying enough acumen with communication that I would question if they really were debilitated to the point that they couldn’t work in some useful capacity.
It certainly appears that parents have to be vigilant in raising their kids these days. There’s just so many things to keep a real close eye on beyond even the psychiatry nonsense.
Vaccinations, weirdos in the education process (gender crap etc), possible polutants everywhere, making sure diet is good etc etc.
To be fair at least the authour is looking to or advocates actually engaging with clients rather than taking a ‘clinical’ approach.
I haven’t visted this site for ages… but your writing reminds me of this guy…
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/
I think you and this guy would get along, should share notes haha.
Casual use of a search engine leads to plenty of sources that say the stimulants perscribed for ADHD can cause problems with the heart.
Also I guess it might be convienient to focus specifically on mortality because then you don’t have to address the other thing that jumps out and that’s the impact on growth, which would be a pretty important side effect for kids on a “maintainance dose”.
I think that changing the language is only really a loss for them. Even though we live in a crazy marketed world where up can mean down a push for greater accuracy with language means a push for greater accuracy on the whole I think.
Some of these diagnosis like bipolar disorder get so elaborate that in the end it just kinda looks like… life… human ? heh.
I think that’s basically been done already really, in a way the OP makes a good point I guess.
We’re basically at a point where you either see that there is something going on with politics and the media or you’re some kind of idiot. Unfortunately in my opinion even here some posters/commenters kinda look like shills or idiots.
I don’t think that hardcore communism is really compatible with ‘antipsychiatry’ because how do you get people to conform with hardcore communism ? Probably use psychiatry type methods in some way right ?
Great points but i’m not quite sure I agree with the approach you want to take. One of the tactics the enemy uses is divide and conquer.
If you insist on being critital of the current mental health paradigm + something else, no matter how much sense it makes to you, you are potentially dividing.
The thing with psychiatry/big pharma, is there does appear to be some element of higher up that seem to be ok with it being challenged. Is that controlled opposition ? Is this site itself merely controlled oppositition ? Who knows, there’s certainly some odd things I see about it, anyway it seems to me that you’re better off just focusing on the many many weak points of the mental health system if that’s the forum you happen to be in. At some point there may be a point where the greater system has to either yield or enforce. Forced injecting of vaccines seems like a neat bypass.
Who knows though I personally think you can’t beat working on an individual level, you should be getting people to avoid diagnosis/screening, question their “diagnosis” if they have one, and get them off psychiatric medication if they are on them. That’s winning the way the current system is.
Basically an admission that “diagnosis” is disempowering and to be avoided.
I guess us plebs only really need to know that…
mental health screening = good
guns = bad
When it comes to certain types of events in the USA who really knows what the hell really happens at this point.
haha
What could possibly go wrong ?
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/prison-psychologist-struck-off-for-affair-with-skaf-gang-rapist-20150531-ghddx3.html
Heh the depressing thing is that some might be ready to talk, and some might be ready to do something else.
Oh I forgot the TV show “House” where they devoted a big portion of a season to the most pro-psychiatry advertisement you could possibly imagine.
The doctor hooked on pain meds, needs to go to the mental hospital where he can then take different drugs to cope, there’s the classic bipolar buddy … organisisng a revolt and a story that ends with him causing some guy to really believe he can fly and kill himself.
Yeah there are movies that are pro-drug-psychiatry Shutter Island is another one.
The latest one is probably “The Voices” with Ryan Reynolds, basically where the protagonists entire reality changes to a ridiculous degree based on whether he takes a pill or not.
To be fair though there’s also a tonne of movies that don’t paint psychiatry in a good light either. I haven’t seen Silver Linings Playbook or Side Effects but apparently they aren’t exactly pro-psychiatry to name a few.
I generally try to avoid any movie that involves psychiatry, unless it accurately shows how full of crap it is, then maybe.
Just to raise something else with the drugs, there’s murmurings around that sometimes the filler/binding agents/coating of the medications can also be bad.
For instance there seems to be pushback against the use of phthalates in enteric coating/time release medications.
Might not even be the drugs, maybe getting told they have an illness and the reinforcement of it is enough to cause apathy that “shows up in advance brain scans”.
You have got to be kidding me.
I just don’t even.
How are people so irresponsible ? Taking that stuff while pregnant. I’m not a doctor but personally it blows my mind to even think people don’t attempt to get off that stuff for at least 2 years before getting pregnant.
Heh, credit for being offended and wanting to actually matter. I’m sure a lot of people that have dealt with this stuff would rather blow their brains than deal with true believers professionally.
I’m not sure about the language side, I agree with you but what can you do ? The entire thing is loaded, framed, jargonised etc etc. At the end of the day i’m not sure how you can _be_ a psychiatrist/clinical psychologist/etc talking at an event and not mention ‘disorders’, ‘illness’ and so on and so forth.
In the end I’m not sure how any of this can exist if you’re not getting up and claiming that there is something wrong with someone. I don’t believe in censoring or policing language but I can see how it’s definitely part of the problem. I guess you should just be able to counter it by pointing it out to others rather than enforcing the other side to shut up or use different wording.
Probably won’t matter though, looks like they’re just going to be able to put whatever they want into vaccines and people will just be forced to take them.
Pakistan seems like a great place to live, it has the added stress of worrying about whether a “vaccine vigilante” will be coming to inject your child.
It just screams…. nice…. and caring.
Just waiting when the social justice really gets into psychiatry. We can have “toxic masculinity disorder” or “privilege checking deficiency disorder” to name a few.
“EUPD”, lol never even heard of it.
I wouldn’t have thought they’d go with something so nebulous. Though if there’s a way to fix all the political correctness craziness going on in the Western world i’d be all for something that works and I agree clearly drugs aren’t working on these people.
In a way it’s true even on this site. Lots of content here is presented in a certain way. I’m not saying it’s not great information given out by obvious experts, but I sometimes wonder why they don’t write in a more plain manner.
Just saying this after only looking a this on the surface and not looking at the full details of the study:
Anyway, just from reading this there’s a few things that are ??? Like it’s not just the data, it’s where the data comes from and who it’s going to. Authority. Like of course psychology students are going to be more impressed with neuroscience stuff instead of “hard science” and what I think is funny too is how much weight researchers often place on what is essentially surveys. People can lie in a survey, or answer in a way to appear to impress or curry favor for their teacher or organisation they work for or need something from for instance.
What student is going to be the one jeopardizing their grades or future whatever over a stupid survey ? The student might think the teachers like their ego stroked over the waffly sciency stuff there, but they might still think it’s actual bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TepT0Ttwz7M
Thatās quite a leap thereā¦ destruction of property in riots to destroying *people* in the 9/11 attacks.
Whether it’s lives being destroyed or property it’s the same concept. Taking out frustrations on innocent people is stupid.
When people wonder why there isn’t a pharmacy in the neighborhood anymore for example, what will people say ? “oh yeah because we trashed the one that was there… why did we do that again ? Oh yeah uhm because we had a problem with the police… so we trashed the pharmacy”
And yet, on the other hand, there is something important about going beyond the usual peaceful protests, demonstrating outrage, and an unwillingness to protest only within the bounds of the same law that is killing you that is important, too.
I don’t think you are stupid, but I don’t think you are being honest. I ask myself, would this person take a bag of cash to provocateur and race bait ?
Who defines anything ? Who defines hypocrite ? Who draws the line ?
Did the fundamentalist muslims that carried out the 9/11 attack have a legitimate gripe… and so what they did was ok ? Was it ok… as long as you weren’t in the tower when it happened ? As long as a family member, or someone you knew wasn’t killed ?
Should you be mad at the terrorist/freedom fighter ? Or the government ? Both ?
Maybe it’s ok to say you understand why the riots happened, but it’s not ok to offer any kind of excuse for them in my opinion. There is no excuse, it’s just stupid, and if you’re cheering them on or think they’re achieving anything other than worse conditions longer term you are also stupid.
As bad as psychiatry might have been or is I don’t really trust that sociology, “the scientific study of social behaviour”, will provide real benefits to anyone either.
I struggle to find a reason why you would apply science to this area at all, it is simply always going to be… problematic.
It is strange how many people buy this stuff, you can have supposedly skeptical people, even scientists that seem to have this blind spot when it comes to psychiatry.
It’s weird. Like these geeks or atheist types that can rail against all forms of religion or cult, but there’s this massive load of pseudoscience going unnoticed right under their nose !
I remember watching some tv program, I think this is it …
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline/story/political-science
Even if this is true I find it hard to believe why people are trying to figure this out, feels like it kind of makes a mockery of democracy.
It’s funny how these are the guys who are supposed to figure out what is an isn’t delusion.
At this point, not even trying to engage in any kind of debate in regards to psychiatry shows only delusion or corruption.
Maybe he isn’t lying though, maybe in his mind the current mental health paradigm is simply too big to fail and so if you’re asking difficult questions, you really are a menace.
Makes my blood boil to think of kids getting messed up by psychiatry.
Even when watching something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35gcBL1ZwY4
I can’t help but think there must be a better way.
You say the medication helps some people sometimes. How do we really know that though ? How intertwined is the whole thing.
Like we have placebo right ? But what about… “reverse placebo” as it were. Someone gets told they have a problem, fully backed by the authority of government, peers etc. It’s not easy to just turn the back to that.
Looking at the drugs, there seems to be no point in taking any antidepressant, there doesn’t seem to be much of anything behind taking a “mood stabilizer”, I can’t really see the point in taking lithium to the point where it’s classed as a drug instead of a mineral, and all the other drugs are for epilepsy which is an actual neurological disorder.
So that leaves “antipsychotics”, as far as I can tell the main thing these drugs do is knock people out when they’re very distressed. So in effect, they’re a hardcore sleeping pill. I’ve never heard voices myself so, maybe they do stop voices for some people. For me, hearing voices seems like the only legitimate differing from the average experience that a person might have.
Not going to mention sleeping tablets and benzos because as far as I know even psychiatrist worth their salt don’t want patients being dependant on them.
Anyway I pretty much agree with the rest, i’ll just add that it does get a lot easier… and really who knows like other people say it used to be called a nervous breakdown and you just got back on with life.
The professional who proclaims this strange notion of truth now gets to hold my health for ransom. After a psychosomatic diagnosis enters medical records, all further medical investigation and care are compromised.
I basically agree that once this happens it seems like you can basically forget about seeing a doctor unless you can point to something that is obviously wrong with you. e.g if you have a giant rash then it will be hard for the doctor to blame that on depression.
However, there’s also the thing… if an illness “is in your head”, or not an illness but just mental distress etc and doctors don’t really know anything except to charge outrageous amounts of money for damaging drugs or nothing then avoiding that can only be beneficial.
So the caltech shooter, he wasn’t all kinds of crazy, he’s ok ?
Any of this is really looking for a foot in the door to ban them all. I don’t really understand why they keep thinking that throwing up excuses is going to work though. Do they think they’re going to change anyone’s mind on this issue ?
It’s a strange time, there are more discoveries about what is good for us but there’s this clamping down as well.
I know from my own personal experience that I could sometimes get an ear infection and if I went to the doctor, i’d just get a prescription for amoxycillin etc but it’s no joke to say that there are supplements that work too. Just one example.
So who knows, I think it’s really disappointing that here in Australia at least we have to deal with this gaslight level of propaganda. Like looking here http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/how-anti-vaccination-advocates-sound-to-everyone-else/story-fnet08ui-1227303937594 here is an example of how they just try to shut people down. Anyone with a brain might see how forced injections can be a slippery slope but to bigpharma, newscorp and the Australian government… you’re a retard !
Great article. I really don’t know.
It’s so frustrating that no one seems to grasp these issues of basic freedom anymore. Even my own family just don’t seem to get it.
We’ll be there watching the news, oh and there’s a report about how a mother was getting her welfare benefits cut if she didn’t agree to vaccinate her child.
I’m not against vaccines, i’m not saying they don’t work or they all cause autism but how does anyone see that the government being able to force injections on people as a great idea ? The parent should be making an informed decision and it’s incredibly low to say you can’t refuse a vaccines on religious grounds, because you are poor !
I honestly don’t really know anymore, I feel like i’m just living in crazy land filled with crazy people and there’s nothing I can do about it because i’m just outnumbered.
It’s terrible really and even i’m tempted to play victim to get my rewards. I don’t work, i’d love to be but I can’t really do much to remedy things without using this crap as an excuse.
bah ! I don’t really know what to do besides try to stay reasonably healthy and be honest in my disdain for psychiatry. mad world.
I just don’t think it’s the time for leverage. We can’t convince enough people for capitalism to work and for some reason the left wing has become psychotically authoritarian.
It’s pretty bad in Australia.
Anyway, yeah big deal a made up illness kinda looks like another made up illness, so don’t question that maybe they’re both bullshit, oh no.
it is pretty funny how the disease always becomes more complex to cover for the fact that they can’t really explain what it is.
It’s weird to hear something explained as a “mixed episode” for instance. It’s really ridiculous to think about.
Might be an arrogant approach to take but it’s hard not to see how human beings can be influenced by ideas. Sometimes I ask, what came first ? The idea of depression, or the depression ?
I was heartened by Dr. Piesā complaint about Mad In America. It shows that mainstream psychiatry feels very threatened by any real public discussion of its shortcomings.
I don’t mean to be negative but I can’t help feeling that this corruption is all linked. The corruption in psychiatry isn’t isolated.
We have mandatory vaccines getting pushed… strange oppressive censorship “diversity”, feminism… hell it looks like even riots are being funded ? whole mass shootings or bombing might even be completely made up ?
I really hope there’s some good guys out there that have some idea how to clean all this dodgy behavior up because the world to me looks like it’s in a lot of trouble and the falsehood of psychiatry is just one part of the greater disease.
This article didn’t originate on this site =)
It would contain “except on global warming” somewhere in there if it did. That would be dissenting, it’s different to challenging of course.
Why bother sorting out heresay ? Simply object !
It still blows my mind how they just decided on the type and dosage of lithium. No one ever seems to question it either just yep get that level to 0.6-075 in the bloodstream, are they still alive ? Cool !
Good for business regular pathology tests though.
Your rationalization is a problem for me in two ways.
Mentioning prisons implies that this isn’t really so much about doctoring but law enforcement. Social control etc.
As far as i’m aware there is still no proof that psychiatric illnesses actually exist as discrete medical conditions. Therefore the treatments can not be justified.
Psychiatrists swore an oath to do no harm, things like chemotherapy treat actual illness even though they cause damage in the process. With psychiatric treatment, there is only harm because it is not doctoring in the first place.
As for the specific drug you mention, in my opinion it takes a particularly sick individual to prescribe and enforce compliance of that drug, particularly to males. If you want to talk about suicide that drug is a good way to induce it, man boobs, no orgasm, zombified, weight gain, looking forward to an emotionless existence with an early grave…….
It is interesting, hey we can call it delusion right, but you can’t argue that it isn’t lucrative delusion. The way western society works, hell the way psychology even works is that if it gets you money, “success” then it it’s a belief worth having right ? Throw out all those pesky “unhelpful” beliefs and ethics that don’t get you the bucks.
I like the hierarchy of svengali too, so you have your local svengali who thinks the nation svengali is a hero. Putting out these little pamphlets full of complete nonsense with pet arbitrary “diagnosis” and poisoning, oops I mean “treatment”.
Disease-model, eugenic, thinking is a direct threat to me personally, especially given the recent rise of UKIP and other far-right parties in Europe.
I don’t really know much specifically about UKIP or other far right parties in Europe but I highly doubt that any of them would have reintroducing racist eugenic policies as part of their agenda.
This really sounds like fear mongering on your part. Conflating ‘right wing’, anti-immigration, etc with nazi eugenics is surely wishful thinking.
It’s getting harder these days too, considering the giant push lately for forced innoculation.
Makes you wonder what will happen, even if things like vaccines are shown to have caused illness. Governmental agencies and phamaceutical companies will claim they fixed whatever glitch there was and will still demand to inject you with whatever they like… for the herd.
No offence but I read something like this ?
“I understand where your coming from, my point is that structural violence comes from our still, overwhelmingly UNCONSCIOUS, behavioural motivation. Particularly in Western educated world, with no history of developing āembodiedā self-awareness.”
First I might ask, why use the term “structural violence” ?
Secondly can’t you see that although this all looks intellectual, what does it actually mean ? What is the unconcious ? Don’t you think you’re being rather assumptive ?
I’m just not sure what you’re really looking for when you say *movement*, does a protest infront of a conference of sold out ‘doctors’ do anything ? Are lawsuits here and there ?
I think what does the most is getting accurate information to a person who is doubting what they are being told. Giving them alternatves etc. If it’s safe to reject this system then I think more people won’t get caught up in it.
I’m not sure that you can really convince the complex that exists to just go away of it’s own violition. Unfortunately people do buy into the model, unfortunately there are benefits for people who do, benefits that have nothing to do with actually being right. I feel with some of these people you might only see regret from them when confronted with the damage. E.g someone that has taken benzos for 3 years might not regret it now, but maybe they will in 30 years time. I think this is important here because we are getting to a point where there will be an observable impact of the cost of what this system is doing with newer drugs etc but the counter to this is things don’t seem to be slowing down with debt, US immigration etc so government cost doesn’t seem to be the conern you’d assume it would be.
I have agreed with you in the past about the progressive element but hey to use one of their phrases…. we are not a monolith but I do hope some of these people do see that “social justice” sure can look a lot like tyranny or authoritarianism if you breach the well meaning surface.
I think one thing to take note of these days, the way things are with corruption and the internet.
There are literally teams of people who’s sole job is to monitor the internet, social media etc. This is not paranoia.
Now, with this in mind if you consider that… when something is working or there is something a pharmaceutical company doesn’t want you to do, they will be sneaky about getting you to stop doing it.
I think that the author is spot on and so are you pretty much, I agree that this kind of stuff basically doesn’t even really deserve a response.
As for the movement, I think that if it’s kept as a PR/information war you can get to people individually and that’s really where it’s at, until you can somehow get past that corruption and get to a tipping point where psychiatry becomes universally unpopular and therefore starved.
The main threat is when this stuff becomes forced or involves crazy levels of brainwashing etc. There’s a point almost all individuals can reach where they can terminate all “treatment” and there’s nothing anyone can do about it, obviously it depends on what the level of difficulty is on that but it’s possible with determination, patience etc.
lol nevermind huge mistake, your picture looks a lot different in the about us section from your post icon. sorry about that.
Can you clarify what your role is on this site ? It’s just that you have “MIA Author” next to your name but you seem to be speaking with authority here. You seem to often be speaking on behalf of the group that is apparently running the site.
I look here… http://www.madinamerica.com/about-us/ and you are not listed.
The main thing that bothers me about is it seems reductive but the author has explained this is because it’s a blog post, fair enough.
Still I really don’t like thinking this way whether it’s true or not if i’m being honest.
Just to add, if you look, there’s an increase in a lot of things you wouldn’t necessarily expect along with “mental illness”.
Cancer, allergies, autism etc is that all just genetics combining in bad ways ?
The thing is that … OK … we basically assume these days that the brain is the mind. People can theorize about quantum mechanics and the brain being an antenna, souls or whatever, anything is possible I guess.
Anyway, if the brain is the mind (or the mind is a slave to the brain or excluding any number of other possibilities here) then any behaviour or thoughts are a symptom of the brain working right ? So in that respect it’s hard to argue against this model, but like has been said are the ‘diseases’ really diseases !?!? I don’t think so.
These days everyone is expected to be somewhat of a computer, somewhat of a robot in order to be successful. I don’t know. I think with a lot of these problems toxins, diet, lifestyle, outlook, shitty circumstances are the real explanation rather than brain diseases.
I’m skeptical of the whole system as it currently stands and I’m skeptical of anyone who really thinks they have some sort of guru status when it comes to the human condition, time and time again the trait that seems to come through is arrogance or just plain craziness.
So it’s “high-potency” marijuana that is associated.
As opposed to ?
I hear also that it’s given to people with body dis-morphia, anorexia etc to make them gain weight.
Seems like crazy doctoring to me.
Sometimes I wonder if that isn’t intended and if it’s such a bad thing.
“A true science of the human mind”, i’m not sure that’s something we should necessarily be wishing for.
After reading this too just find it ironic that a so called inferior people communicated in a way that defied code breaking attempts during World War II.
I see what you were leading up to with part 1, hard not to see it as oppression.
If you remove race from this, remove nature then what does that say about the tests ? Should all tests like the ones mentioned be done away with ?
Seems like a lot of suffering to cause for a $2000 pay day. Surely the guy was benefitiing more than that one charge would indicate and what happens to the company that offered the kickback ?
Sigh.