Thursday, October 28, 2021

Comments by jm79

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  • Sure – the writer of the article we are commenting on was present at various CCHR events – CCHR being Scientology’s anti psych group, for example. They share their servers with AbleChild… And Tom Cruise… And “The Way to Happiness.” Much of this site is clearly influenced by L. Ron Hubbard, and it is thinly veiled.

    Moving on…

    You note that trusting a doctor – your doctor – “always works out well.” With a time of sarcasm. Never did I suggest that one should not be an informed patient. That said, yes, you should trust your doctor. If you don’t, get a new doctor. A trusting relationship is critical to a successful treatment.

    Do drug companies fund studies? Sure they do. Does the CoS fund anti-psychiatry / psychiatric drug studies? Yep. I’m going to put my faith in the academic doctors (researching and writing scholarly articles) over CoS, mainly because the guy writing the article isn’t trying to sell me fake counseling sessions.

    Where is your evidence of your claims, by the way? Do you have articles I may reference — and are said articles not sponsored by either of the aforementioned groups? Would love to review.

    As usual, I welcome replies and comments.

  • Glad to hear that, B, but I would recommend taking a look at the “Writers” section of the website. The ties between many of the authors and the CoS is easily found.

    To answer your question, sure. I think that is totally reasonable to ask for examples. Take a look at S Leuct / S Hierl / Kissling W / et al’s article “Putting the efficacy of psychiatric and general medication into perspective; review of meta-analysis,” in Br J Psychiatry (2012;200:97106).” Another good one is F Seemulle / HJ Moller / S Dittmann / R Musil’s article “Is the efficacy of psychopharmacological drugs comparable to the efficacy of general medicine medication?” in BMC Med. (2012; 10:17).

    One particularly relevant article would be RD Gibbons / CH Brown / K Hur / et al’s article “Suicidal thoughts and behavior with antidepressant treatments: reanalysis of the randomized placebo-controlled studies of fluoxetine and venlafaxine in Arch Gen Psychiatry, 2/9/2012. That one is a reanalysis of prior studies that found “antidepressants decreased suicidal thoughts and behaviors for adult and geriatric patients and that the protective effect was meditated by decreases in depressive symptoms with treatment.””

    I want to be clear – I am not trying to trivialize the trials and tribulations of finding the right medication. It is tough. I’ve gone through Lexapro withdrawal, as well as a slew of others — I’m not speaking as an outsider, I’m speaking as a first-hand insider. It is difficult. But it needs to be speaking with YOUR doctor, not someone on the internet. Should you ask your doctor about the things you read here? Yes, without doubt. You should also be prepared for their answers, which may strongly contradict what you have read – perhaps, even what you’ve read from other “doctors.”

    Reliance on evidence from biased sources is dangerous. The best way to find out more about the efficacy, the dangers, and other medical findings are in medical journals, such as JAMA or NEMA. Peer-reviewed, evidence-based.

    Again, happy to respond to comments.

  • It really bothers me when religion parades as something else.

    For many years, the Church of Scientology has waged a war on psychiatry. They have worked tirelessly to give psychiatry a bad name, to make psychiatric drugs and treatments (notice the lack of quotation marks) appear to be evil, wrong, and in some cases, equated with nazism (take a look at the Scientology front group “Citizen’s Commission for Human Rights” to see more on that).

    The thing with this group is that they recognize that many individuals discredit them (mainly due to blatant lies, crass commercialization of religion, targeting of poor and disenfranchised members of the community, selling “auditing” services in the place of counseling, dangerous vitamin / sauna / exercise regiments, Narconon (which doesn’t work and has been banned from many prisons), etc.). So to cover this, organizations hide their true allegiances and create groups, like Ablechild, that promote their mission while concealing their identities and motives.

    Ablechild is Scientology. They use the same servers: has Scientology name servers:

    Name Server:HOST1.OUTFLOW.NET
    Name Server:HOST2.OUTFLOW.NET
    Outflow Technologies sponsors Scientology sites such as: The Way to Happiness, Citizens Commission On Human Rights,, and more. Source of information: Outflow Technologies [1]

    My point is, you need to talk to a doctor. It’s fine to get some ideas, and some information (and misinformation) on websites. But the idea that you are going to find the magic solution to all your problems from a Google search is silly and ill-informed. People have bad experiences with psychiatry. That is not being disputed. But the fact – yes, FACT – of the matter is, psychiatry helps FAR more people than it hurts.

    I’m happy to discuss this further, and welcome comments.

  • I have run the gamut of psychotropics – Lamictal, Remeron, Prozac, Effexor, Seroquel, Lexapro, Paxil… These are just the names I recall from the past 10-15 years of treatment. During that time, I’ve questioned efficacy, dealt with a number of side effects, and heard the voices of folks telling me that psychiatry was inherently evil (I lived in Hollywood, near the “Commission on Human Rights” “Psychiatry Kills” campaign. I’ve heard both sides, and also have some takeaways.

    Not everyone should be on psychotropics. Seroquel isn’t Tylenol PM, it’s a mood stabilizer, and can be effective for those of us with wild mood swings, or paired with other medications to combat clinical depression. There are side effects, and you should seriously consider these and the potential withdrawal symptoms (like the Lexpro “brain zaps”) before taking meds.

    The side effect I did not experience? Suicide. And that is exactly where I had been headed.

    It is dangerous to take meds that may be prescribed for dubious reasons, but it is equally if not more dangerous to recommend abandoning medication based on the writings of members of the church of Scientology (all over this board, the foundation of “The Road Back”), who vehemently rally against all things psychiatric. Supplements can have equally awful side effects, and lack the oversight of a licensed physician. If you don’t trust your doctor, get a new one. But don’t buy into CCHR’s psychiatry kills BS , when it is perpetuated by yet another organization (Scientology) with ulterior motives (namely selling you expensive “auditing sessions”, supplements, books, religious services).

    Depression and other psychiatric conditions can be frightening and extremely lonely. Sometimes a community can help overcome these feelings. But just as we are scrutinizing medications, we need to scrutinize the communities, as well. What is the endgame? If it involves dollar signs, it might behoove you to keep looking.

    My 2 cents as a depression survivor that has seen the damage of Scientology, anti-psychiatry, narconon, and CCHR first hand, including losing friends that were convinced to stop treatment (and later committed suicide). Please – include your doctor (or a trusted doctor) in your decisions. It may save your life.