Wednesday, June 16, 2021

Comments by curiouskat

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  • I agree about the drugging of children is rapidly expanding. I can’t believe the amount of medication children are put on. Given medications for ADHD during the week and then off them on the weekend. I know how much children are on drug cocktails because of the high rate of foster care in my state. It seems that once a child is in foster care they are put on medication, as well as seeing therapists and doctors. Children are too young to be taking any of those medication.

    After I posted last night I did go to your website. I did bury your book “Madness, Heresy and the Rumor on Angels” without any prompting before this post. I think I will wait a while before getting “Toxic Psychiatry.” I need to balance my reading with other things. I don’t exclusive read these types of books. I also read fiction, political biography and memoirs, and on my faith. I tend have least two books that I’m reading at most times.
    I think that I have read more books on this than you think I have. I think this is why my position tends to be hard to define at times even for me. I have strong feelings at times about one things then later my feelings about the same thing changes.

    I’m working on what changes that I hope to obtain. If they aren’t obtained by me then hopefully I will have set up something that someone else will feel as passionately about it as I do.

    I’m so gratefully that there wasn’t much
    about ADHD when I was a child or I might have been on drugged up kid. Though I doubt it because my mom even now would not says she would not allow it. She knows that a young persons mind has yet to fully develop and that medications won’t and don’t help the situation.

    I look forward to reading your book when it arrives to my home.

  • Actually I do understand that publishing is not a money maker for most authors. I know people who have written book and self-publish because of they very reason you do and their own personal reasons. They are still working at their jobs which is their source of income. I wrote the thing about plugging a book as a jab. Didn’t you notice after that I just asked what your thoughts on medications? I was you if asking about reading books being a cure all (referring to the other authors you posted about.) I was being rhetorical which may not have been the best time to be rhetorical.

    I admire those who write their first hand accounts of what has happened to them because it isn’t easy. I don’t even know how to start to try to write down my account of what happened to me within the mental health system. It hasn’t been all roses and skipping through those rose pedals. I have my share of experience of horror within the that system. How I have chosen to handle has been how I manage and continue to survive. Many of us are like that, we survive. I just don’t associate myself with the Mad movement, a personal choice and/or lack of information on it.

    It is obvious that writing isn’t one of my best areas. I don’t have a Ph.D. I have a lot of life experience. I have made changes and I’m known in my community for what I have done. I have ruffled the feathers of officials and I still show up for state meetings. I sit on advisory committees. They don’t have to like me. I not there for them to like me. I’m there to advocate for myself, others and to know what is going on. Anyway I don’t need to go on any further. I’m great where I stand. Just as you are where you stand.

    I own many books by authors I realize that don’t make the in mainstream media. One of the first ones I read was “The Center Cannot Hold” by Elyn R Saks. An amazing woman! I have read Loren Mosher’s book on Storia House (I’m sure spelled something wrong in that last sentence.) Being able to write is a talent and if you have it then that is great. FYI, I looked at your link provided for your book after I posted. The book looks interesting. You think I’m naïve and maybe in some areas I am naïve. I don’t mind having still being naïve in some areas because it allows me to know that I’m not jaded it every part of my life.

    Thomas Szasz is an interesting fellow. I happen to own two of his books. There is a documentary that is out on him “The Last Interview of Thomas Szasz” which on DVD for sale. I’m thinking of buying it because I have started reading “The Myth of Mental Illness.” I find myself frustrated by him and amused at the same time.

    As for my summary of Anatomy, I can only imagine what fun you might have tearing me apart on it. I’m not sure I’m ready for that in a public arena. I’m not afraid to write it and at the same time I don’t feel like been torn up in front of others if what I write isn’t consider up to others liking. I suppose no one does likes it. I realize that you pointed out where I go just go read it in another post. I would have a different perspective because we each have different ways of thinking. If we all thought the exact same way then it would be awful boring. I get that you want to save people and recruit them to the Mad movement.

    I have noticed a lot of talk on Torrey and AOT lately. I reading a blog that I subscribe to and he was following a discussion of Facebook and found it strange in the fact that from what he could had something to do with new “mental health reform” law. He gathered maybe “ was as it they thought E Fuller Torrey was God’s judgment on the recovery movement.” I find his blog well thought out. He admits he still confused by the discussion on Facebook. Of course they was more written. Perhaps I jumped in a discussion on this site that well discussed a year ago and started throwing out my thoughts and opinions.

    If you really care about what I come up with after re-reading both of Whitaker’s books, the rest of the other discussion and want to see what I come up with then privately read I’m willingly.

    I’m open to learning new idea and thoughts. I have good and bad days. The last few days have not been my good days. I sometimes like to say things to stir the pot which is my bad. I’m old enough to know better. I’m allowed to a few moments at times or do I need perfection? joking – on the perfection.

    Robert Whitaker has good points and Torrey has a few. AOT isn’t one of them. Maybe this will show my naïve thinking in this next thought. Isn’t it sometimes time consuming to spend arguing on who is right or wrong when we should work together, not against each other, as a whole collectively? Not putting Whitaker or Torrey in the picture? They put out the information so now we can figure out what we can do with it.

    AOT is something that needs to be dealt with in states that have it. I know that it isn’t used in state I live in. We had three state hospitals and now we have one open that has beds have almost been eliminated, expect for one that has about 90 beds for those committed, it houses more beds for civil commitment of adult male sex offenders (personally they can stay in there forever that is just how I feel about them), an area for young tweens to teens sex offenders, and drug & alcohol treatment for male teens and a forensic unit. They are working on lower those 90 beds those committed for at least a year. It is not easy to get into a psych unit in the community either.

    I’m rambling now. Signing off.

  • Yes, I did read the book – both of them. I chose to read the books due to the interest of many people I know that think highly of Robert Whitaker. I had no preconceived notion about him when I read the first book. After reading “Mad in America” I has some concerns and talked with my friends. I then read “Anatomy of an Epidemic” still concerned.

    I understand that we all have our own opinions on things, including this topic and other subjects. To add on the subject I don’t believe in forcing someone to taking medications if the don’t want to take them. Anti-psychotics take a hard toll on a most person body.

    Does Torrey have the perfect solution? No he doesn’t. Many psychiatrist don’t have a perfect solution even those who don’t prescribe meds. It is a hit and miss kind of thing. IMHO. There is no ideal solution for anyone who deals with a mental health disorder.

    I did read more than just the texts on the flap and currently I would need to re-read the book, actually both books, to summarize the thesis. I didn’t realize I needed to know it by chapter and verse to be able to give my thoughts on it.

    I don’t think that I have to believe everything thing he writes in his books. I have a right to think for myself. I refuse to follow the thinking of the Robert Whitaker’s and the E. Fuller Torrey’s of this time. Both have good and bad points.

    The more Torrey is discussed the more power you are giving him.

    I’ll get back to you on summary the thesis of the book and the enormous increases in bipolars – specifically. And of course, I can. I have both books are ready to be re-read, articles on hand and to let you know. I shall take this as a challenge. Is it easier to post it back here or do you have another place for me to get back to you on this?

    Thank you for giving me the idea to challenge myself. I know what I believe. I’m just doing this because I enjoy researching and becoming more informed on all subjects. Even if it proves me wrong.

  • Did you read what E Fuller Torrey wrote in his review “Anatomy of an Epidemic” in which Robert Whitaker is responding back in his article? He provides a link. Though not really easy for some to possibly catch it or I could be wrong on that. I think the title to Whitaker’s article “E. Fuller Torrey’s Review of Anatomy of an Epidemic: What Does it Reveal the Rationale for Forced Treatment?” One it takes away the deserve for those completely against Torrey and AOT from wanting to read his article and two is that Torrey review just that a review. I found that it explained the results of some of the information on the studies the Whitaker used in his book. I still need to fully read Whitaker’s article to make for me to give a truly informed thought of my opinion.
    Torrey does write of recovery and that it does happen.

  • Some people just can’t handle any thoughts that Robert Whitaker might ever be wrong. He is their new prophet for the wrongs of psychiatry and psychiatric medications. Geez, he is just a man who wrote a book on what started out a journalistic report. And now he makes more money from all of you when pay him to speak at your conferences and whatever else he does for “the cause.” I read two books and won’t buy anything else by him. I only bought one of those books. Other one was loaned to me by a friend. If I hadn’t read them, I wouldn’t find myself here writing, ugh!

  • I heard that Torrey’s sister has schizophrenia which is one of the reasons he became interested in research for it. Is there some where that you can point me towards that states that he “increasingly fixated in meddling in sister’s life whom he insisted was schizophrenic” because that doesn’t sound right.
    Maybe the irony of E Fuller Torrey starting out as a student of Thomas Szasz was that he figured out that Thomas Szasz was wrong about he theory of mental illness. That sounds plausible to me.

  • Robert Whitaker is similar in away to E. Fuller Torrey. Hear me out before reacting. Both have an agenda. Both of them write books and both want to make money from them. They write articles and now challenge each other. Robert Whitaker is reporter who really has gained fame from a book he wrote that if it had not been noticed by those who are anti-psychiatry and/or psychiatric anti-medication. He said in his second book that when asked if he had he wrote the books because he had family members effected by psychiatric problems. He said no and that he was doing research for medical articles (or of that sort.) So now he is famous in certain circles because people have a need to believe in the “evil” of all medication especially anti-psychotics. Mr. Whitaker has only what he has chosen to use in what he printed. What happens when medication has made all the difference in a person life? E. Fuller Torrey knows something about that and he actually has a medical degree. Whitaker does not. I don’t agree completely with E. Fuller Torrey’s AOT thinking. It stems from a failed mental health system. When a person is begging for help and not getting any then pushes a women in front of a subway train then get help, all the wrong kind of help, then a law comes into place “Kendra’s Law” so where does this not helping and helping someone become a non-issue in which is trying to be addressed?
    I wanted to note that Whitaker mentioned that name of his book as much as he could. I’m sure that while he caught all of Fuller’s mistakes, someone could go to what Fuller wrote and find Whitaker’s mistakes.
    /b>I suppose we can just take all anti-psychotics off the market and all people on them off of them. I just want to ask, who will be willing to care for them and also who will take responsibility for them when something horrible goes wrong?/b> I’m certain Robert Whitaker will take a huge step back and act as though he had not one thing to do with it as well as his “followers.” Is this were E. Fuller Torrey and others like them step in to help?
    I wish I had not heard of Robert Whitaker’s books. I read E. Fuller Torrey’s book over 30 years ago when I first given the diagnoses of schizophrenia. It helped me and my family gratefully. Robert Whitakers books would have made great for my family to add to the fireplace.