Sunday, July 3, 2022

Comments by Daisy Valley

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  • Are you suggesting that people with psychotic mania should be left to take their chances on the streets? Do you think that pimps , rapists and sadists are going to see them as “off limits”? If you are not concerned about the collateral damage from your 100 % opposition to forced incarceration , just please state that clearly. In other words, there are those whose outcome you don’t care about. Right? Does their suffering and death in the hands of criminals mean nothing?
    Do you think that they will be a negligible minority compared to the number of those who are really not so bad off and could probably survive without forced incarceration? Please forgive me if I have overlooked some important point in your writing, but I just can’t fathom your thinking.

  • I’m glad to see some treatment of the nursing factor in psychiatric care. Nurses’ discretion with PRNs appears to have the power to neutralize doctors’ reassurances not to over-medicate patients. Do nurses find themselves in double -binds as to whether to contact attending physicians? How do nurses triage the patients on the nights that are described as “war zones”? Whose best interests are served in over-crowded and under-staffed wards? Which types of patients are subjected to the worst forms of chemical battery and what factors contribute to that? What are psychiatric nurses doing to expose human rights abuses and neglect of medical investigation in psychiatric wards?

  • Thank you, Dr. Hickey, for your expertise in the field and communicating the issues to us.
    Question: How many of these children would you estimate were first violated with forced drugging while still in the womb, ? …How would you address the epidemic of alcohol and street drug abuse and irresponsible procreation?
    ..I know of one case of an adult male born with fetal alcohol syndrome. He was also subjected to emotional , physical and sexual abuse during childhood. I notice that he is easily provoked and cannot seem to shake off something that arouses him emotionally. Addictive behavior and lack of empathy for the needs / interests of others marks his social relations. He has demonstrated predatory behavior. Not surprisingly, he has been diagnosed with Bi-Polar disorder.
    I’m not advocating for medication, just reporting what I’ve seen.

  • I apologize, Candace, for being unclear in my remark about the more mysterious cases. No, I don’t think mysterious cases go home. I suspect that mysterious cases are subjected to long hospital stays and subjected to medications which may make them worse, and as a last resort these mysterious cases may be coerced to have ECT, despite that ECT has caused mania in some patients. The more mysterious cases are possibly the more blatant proof that the psych “meds” are really not meds but poisons, anything other than chemical balancing agents. I’m advocating for greater understanding and respect of the physiology underlying mania and psychosis and for the use of natural and holistic means to improve the patient’s chances of stabilization. Medical literature states that among the possible causes for mania ( and some mania includes psychosis) is an infection or the antibiotics used to treat infections (both evidently have been implicated in the cortisol fluctuations known/thought to trigger mania). That possibility needs to be considered and discovered by the treatment team. I’ve been told that if a mania were caused by an infection , then the mania should subside with the resolution of the infection. How can we be sure that is really so in every case, since antibiotics themselves can cause mania? Perhaps some bodies don’t resolve mania as efficiently as others. I also want to ask someone about the possibility that the toxic meds themselves might cause fluctuations in cortisol levels and hence iatrogenic mania. This is one question that I would like included in open dialogue, but I doubt that psychiatrists want open dialogue because they really don’t have all the answers. Is it possible that what is labeled treatment resistant is really a very robust immune response against the toxic drugs? I’m not embarrassed to ask such questions at the risk of revealing ignorance. The doctors themselves should be asking more questions, and they are not. They have been too complacent. The failed system needs to go. Unfortunately , there are people who have been permanently maimed the drugs. At the very least they need support in weaning as much as possible. They are not to be thrown away.

  • This is a great starting point to untangle the complex factors which sabotage patient outcomes , beginning with the initial ER visit, where so many of us have sought help only to discover that there is NO safe place to go for an intervention that addresses underlying causes of mental “disorientation” . I do not want to offend anyone by saying that the neglect of services in the community to reduce dependence on the hospitals is hurting those patients who do need medical investigation or carefully nuanced treatment response that in times past we came to expect from a hospital. I observed an ER which appeared overwhelmed and noted a number of cases which did not involve psychosis or mania which one would think could be addressed in community by respite or peer support etc. It appears that the over dependence on the ER , the gate keeper of the acute care ward, approaches a degree of chaos that contributes to the risk of neglect of patients who need staff to take more time to listen and get the facts straight before they are actually admitted and treatment begins. I could describe conversations with care seekers in the ER to support my point, including the patient who was using the psych ER to evade the possibility of domestic abuse or lesser civil charges; this seemed to confirm the professional opinion of a psychiatrist who told us that there are people “who know how to use the system.” I’m sure I’ve seen more examples of that.

    However, we have seen some of these questionable cases admitted to the acute care ward. They came and went and I wondered why they were there at all, while our own daughter’s care seemed botched and doctors seemed reluctant, unprepared and ill-supported to interpret her symptoms as paradoxical and iatrogenic rather than “treatment resistant”. I believe there are other patients like her who need more in-depth medical investigation to discover issues which may be demonstrated one day to be highly treatable with a holistic approach rather than with toxic drugs. I wonder whether the insurance and medicaid reimbursement plans provide revenue more readily for these cases which superficially appear to be more manageable,in terms of the interests of the health care system-not the patient necessarily, and does that contribute to a neglect of appropriation of resources to the more difficult and esoteric patient-case challenges. Is there a DEFAULT discarding of patients with the more mysterious challenges? Are true breakthroughs in psychiatric knowledge hindered by exploitative use of a discriminatory and neglectful triage system? Does this neglect trace back to eugenic reasoning?

    There is no shortage of kind-hearted souls working in acute care wards who don’t have the knowledge and experience or the support to coordinate a care plan that incorporates input from the different medical specialties to bring about stabilization of a patient. The current system, while hurting patients the most, also defrauds and degrades those professionals who truly want to help people. The system needs to be unburdened. The proposals for outpatient services will hopefully free up resources in the hospitals for those who need them the most. I’m hoping for an articulation of reform that will resonate with noble hearts and outrun the machinations of power seekers and guild interests. Thank you to everyone who has devoted themselves to this work long before I knew anything about it or could imagine we would need it.

  • Russerford here, commenting on my wife’s account since for some reason I keep getting “bounced” on my own.

    My first thought was “Kudos, Massachusetts and outgoing governor Deval Patrick!” One of the most egregious aspects of our daughter’s last lengthy psychiatric hospitalization was the lack of these two very basic therapeutic things: fresh air and sunshine. Isn’t it ironic that even convicted felons are provided with these, but psychiatric patients can be denied them?

    However, as others of you have noted, the article goes on to point out that the bill still “lacks robust mechanisms to ensure its proper enforcement.” And that’s a huge problem in this “gulag psychipelago” we live in! There seems to be no one in any kind of authority with the guts, the knowledge or the clout to do anything about the errors and abusive practices that abound. We found that out when we tried to bring the psychiatric unit in a local hospital under some corrective scrutiny through the NY State Office of Mental Health. They allowed the hospital to do their own internal review, and did nothing independently to expose the whitewash job.

  • I haven’t read much about “hearing voices” among those who have been labelled by psychiatry, but I will approach the topic with the hypothesis that there is within the range of possible human experiences a continuum for hearing voices that cannot be accurately described from a purely reductionist stance which excludes
    meta-physical or spiritual types of dynamics. ” Naturally”, I base this on my own experience with hearing voices. For example, I once was awakened from my sleep by the sweet voice of my sister pleasantly calling for me, with a note of nearly music-like resonance, from over a dream context of social discord, as if she were searching for me. She was many miles away from me at the time. I responded with the thought that God must want me to pray for her-so I did. A few days later I inquired and discovered that she had been so sick with fever that my mother was praying over her. I conclude that I had participated in a spiritual dynamic which transcends reductionist explanations of life. To connect this thought to the larger topic, I would propose that all of human experience has spiritual significance and manifestation as some expression of our need or suffering or agency in a spiritually resonant world.

  • This is the critically important issue. What a nightmare it has been to stumble into psychiatry’s illegitimate enterprise, to discover that health is not the objective of today’s psychiatric treatment and that there is virtually no help to exit or find alternatives to the use of neuroleptics.

  • Our adult daughter was prescribed two anti-depressants , out of hospital, while she was reducing lithium and that sent her into a bad mania. Since the last hospital had failed to document her akathisia to Risperdal, it was given to her again, and that triggered a horrible state for an extended time until Risperdal was withdrawn. Why don’t hospitals keep better documentation of patients’ responses to medications? There is no incentive to improve the treatment as we have come to expect in other areas of American medicine.

  • As a family member who was suspect from the beginning of resorting to meds, please understand that everyone’s situation is unique. There is a wild card of sorts, used often by psych staff and some reformers to stigmatize family of patients, to neutralize them from having any influence, with no regard for the fact that the patient , in a temporary crisis, may have in his family the best asset and source of critical collateral information possible against psychiatric abuse. This “parentectomy” is one tool of a worldview that, like any worldview, is built upon faith-based assumptions. I try to give the benefit of the doubt to people I don’t know well. A bias against family may be based on personal lived experience, may be the product indoctrination-the same message often repeated, or may be politically motivated.

  • I appreciate the reasonable expectation for alternatives for everyone at every stage. Nevertheless, I still feel the sense of betrayal to discover that our daughter, whom we cherished, had become devalued the moment she walked through the psych ward door to be subjected to barbarism. We thought we lived in the shadow of ‘world class” medical professionalism; We were betrayed. It hurts to recall who she was and how she was torn from us, how our protective agency was neutralized while staff were licensed to brutalize our sweet daughter. I can’t turn back the clock. Supersensitivity may have set in already. She does need a chance to wean from the levels of medication she is using which are going to kill her. But, we’ve got to turn off the “machine” so it doesn’t keep pulling people in , like a corn chopper without a safety switch.

  • I have read in the literature that ECT may induce delirium which is dangerous and an ominous portent of Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome, yet ECT is foisted on patients for treatment-resistant mania which may in fact actually be delirium and iatrogenic. My understanding is that once a person has had delirium or NMS they are presumed to be at higher risk for it in the future; my point being that ECT and the anti-psychotics are a risky game of roulette and medical staff have nothing to lose, yet the patients are expendable.

  • Terrible. Bureaucracies demand statistics for changes which they don’t want to make, but no stats are collected where there is no incentive. Prison conditions surely contribute to the sleep problems for which addictive and debilitating psychotics are used. Lousy food and malnutrition alone can make you miserable and sleepless and may have contributed to school failure , crime , etc in the first place. My biggest hunch is that sleepy , drugged up inmates is just what prisons want.

  • I agree with you 100%. This is exactly what I’ve been thinking about. The sequence of grades and their content serves agendas other than the best interests of the diversity of children’s needs.

    For example: Teachers’ unions and institutions of learning comprise huge economic engines.

  • This sounds so misguided that I first thought that this could not be anything other than veiled eugenics. Psychotropics will only debilitate, marginalize, and curtail the pursuit of happiness of the targeted individuals. I would expect a new epidemic of mania among children given stimulants.

    No one should be surprised that many school children exhibit sluggish cognitive tempo and daydreaming in the current conditions of the public schools. Many children are suffering from poor quality sleep due to school schedules that exacerbate that , as well as social-emotional difficulties, and nutritional problems.. However, lately research on sleep hygiene is getting more attention and awareness is growing of the link between sleep disorders and poor school performance, which leads me to consider a second possibility, i.e, that this alleged newly discovered disorder with its need for pharmacological assistance sounds like a desperate move to neutralize the growing momentum for the use of natural means to address perceived needs, thus protecting the economic interests of the pharmacological companies.

  • Great article, Sera! Did you get the impression that this film was promoting the idea that we need to reach all the needy kids and give them drugs? Did you see this on TV? Hopefully, your article will reach some of the same audience who sees the movie. Your observation of the need to question the assumptions is so “right on”. I don’t think people are encouraged to think critically about what they read and hear, especially in school. Good for you to rock the boat!

  • In addition to multiple deployments, I would like to suggest that the millennial generation is demographically very different from the “Greatest Generation” (Tom Brokaw’s label). I am eager to see a thorough study of the data. I would speculate that the recruits of today are much less certain of themselves, their beliefs, their country, their purpose, the meaning of life. The overwhelming majority of young adults in America during the 40’s had been raised by a mom and a dad. Youth transitioned to adult responsibility sooner. I wager that they had more confidence. Today, it is much harder to find recruits who are not disqualified by drug use or a rap sheet. You don’t need me to tell you that the high incidence of broken homes , single parent families , latch-key childhoods, etc must take its toll on children and produce a type of young adult whose mental state may not be helped by the boot camp drill sergeant. Young recruits look to the military to help them “get it together”. How’s that been working for them?

  • When I consider how horribly certain members of my immediate and extended family respond to anti-depressants and anti-psychotics and that we seem to be gifted with an extra measure of adrenaline, (and who knows what else), I then wonder how would the population of military personnel compare to the general public in their pattern of response to psychotropics. Please consider that if someone is drawn to the military, could that not be related in part to their endocrine characteristics. We know so little of the research design and documentation. I doubt that Big Pharma found many aspiring , confident, energetic young men and women to be in their research trials. God surely sees how the noble hearts and brains of even the bravest are no match for the mid-eastern IED and shooting arcades, much less psychotropic poison. I am truly thankful for all those who have sacrificially given their time to expose the ongoing holocaust of the wounded whose trust has been betrayed. May the truth prevail. May justice be served.

  • I hope while you still have time on this earth that you will make sure that you
    tell your story, one way or another, to your local reps. I recently realized that I had not spoken to my representatives. The Murphy Bill helped to get me talking to them. I’m still working on follow-up letters.

  • Alix, I can see that you , like many, have considerable first hand testimony of how your child has been poorly served. I encourage you to write your story if you have not done so already. May we all be empowered to write our own version of Uncle Tom’s Psych Ward, or our own section of the “Psychiatric Holocaust “Wall”. While that is what Mad In America has been doing all along, I ‘m just wondering what could be accomplished if we ALL did that, and had that story ready to distribute. I’m speaking to myself because I also have been writing quite a bit, but I haven’t yet found a way to condense our story , yet retain some very important points. I wish you well in your efforts to continue to speak out, exposing the abuse and reclaiming freedom and decency for all.

  • Thank you for your research. I also have been very provoked to read of the military personnel having suffered death or life-wrecking changes from psychotropics. I have posted warnings on my social media account and shared it with colleagues of my son in the military. We also have a daughter with sensitivities to the psych meds who was almost killed in hospital by the use of additional meds that were contraindicated for the cocktail she was already taking. So, this topic really pushes my buttons.
    I consider there to be two sets of victims in the military. It was explained to me that the military takes pride in “pushing responsibility to the lowest level”. It occurs to me that if the civilian prescribers of meds are not recognizing symptoms of imminent death or delirium or whatever the case may be, then how could we expect the military medics to do any better. They have not been given the full story on the poisons , either. There is a true story on the internet of a military medic/psychologist who came home from war very troubled about all the suicides and he also eventually took his own life. That is so heartbreaking. These things are happening far too easily and too often.(Our government is supposed to protect citizens from harm. But the corporations and the bureaucracies are working together for profit. ) It sickens me as it sickened me to see my daughter in the hospital being assaulted with chemicals that took her to the door of death. There is something surreal about being a spectator to something that is so wrong and to feel so helpless in the power imbalance held by the so-called medical staff. There is a sense in which it made me feel defiled, to be there and not be able to stop it. I have a sense of shame for not risking to look like a fool to contact my senator, ANYBODY , once I had exhausted the local county authorities. I should have gone to the state much earlier than I did.
    I’m thinking about how to reach out to offices of veterans affairs with an approach that is professional and does the challenge justice. That’s not my area of experience so far. I’
    m sure that dealing with the military is a tightly controlled affair. The opportunities to spread the word are ripe for harvest. How to become or send the workers to the fields?
    Letter writing is one way to start.

  • A sleep specialist explained the relationship between sleep apnea and the symptoms of ADHD which resolve for some children when tonsils and adenoids are removed. A study is underway(see link in following post) and results are expected this year.

    It is a shame, that without advocates, these children in foster care will be diverted into the psychiatric system , rather than receive a medical screening and sleep test which could possibly make a difference for some of the children. However, there is no parity of medical care for adult patients, either, in psych wards.

  • Oldhead, i also do not wish to divert the discussion. Your first pejorative reference to “pro-life” did just that for me, and your follow-up comment really “begs the question”; that is, one is asked to agree with your implicit premise that a person in the fetal stage is nothing more than a part of a woman’s body–an assumption that flies in the face of current medical knowledge. In my view, the term “pro-choice” is at least as misleading and hypocritical as you seem to think “pro-life” is, for reasons I’d be glad to spell out if you wish to continue the discussion privately. I really didn’t want to incur the wrath of probably the majority of those on this site, but I’d rather out myself as “one of them” than let this cheap shot stand uncontested. I would prefer we not get side-tracked onto issues that will provoke unnecessary infighting when we need to direct our efforts toward standing against the ever-expanding Gulag Psychepelago that seems so poignantly illustrated in this Justina Pelletier fiasco. I certainly appreciate your many insightful comments on this blog and your efforts toward our common and very worthy goals!

    I would be glad to discuss the “pro-life”/”pro-choice” issue further with you, but would suggest we do that via e-mail. You can contact me at: [email protected] if you’d like.

  • Fox News has a psychiatrist on staff ,Dr. Ablow, who has written extensively on the abysmal condition of the American psychiatric system. One of his articles , in particular, was an excellent list of reforms for hospitalizations. I thought it was excellent and if those things had been done for our loved one, she probably would be experiencing a far better outcome now.

  • “Damage Control” – I called my local US Senators with the message from Jim Gottstein,Esq of that they dialogue with members of the psychiatric reform movement. I felt that the message was received warmly by the receptionist for Senator Gillibrand of NY and she was taking notes and mentioned other similar calls. I suggested names such as Dr. Sandra Steingard, Dr. Joanna Moncrief, and the Foundation for Excellence in Mental Health Care as contacts to begin the process. I shared the most useful points of our personal story. The receptionist encouraged me to send a letter with as much contact information as possible for routing purposes. I conveyed that psychiatric survivors would greatly appreciate it for the Senator to get to know the names and faces of people who have been hurt by psychiatry. I had the strong impression that I WAS BEING HEARD.
    I think we all have a golden opportunity right now to present our testimonies of our interface with the psychiatric system and convert our suffering into something good.

  • A kind teacher and friend just enouraged me with this quote by Frederick Douglas:

    “Powerful organizations never espouse great reforms. Social reform begins in the heart of a solitary individual and grows strong among humble men and women, who, unknown to the community, without means, without power, without station, but perceiving the thing to be done and having faith in the triumph of what is true and just, engages in the work.”

    Here is another quote , of the teacher, Robert Babcock., I believe.
    “There is a wrong to make right, a chain to be broken and a burden to be removed.This, I truly believe, is the true mission of education. ” (Robert Babcock)

  • Ute_M_Kraemer,
    Thank you for your very good suggestion for social common spaces to share our life’s stories.. That is something to strive for and my understanding of the need for that is growing.

    Last night was the vote on the Murphy Bill. I sent out the word to a large group of contacts.
    But, the social forces for the bill had already gained the upper hand . Now we are left with an opportunity for “damage control”. I contacted my local US Senators with the suggested message from Jim Gottstein that they dialogue with members of the psychiatric reform movement. I called again this morning and I felt that the message was received warmly by the receptionist for Senator Gillibrand of NY. She was getting other similar calls. I suggested names such as Dr. Sandra Steingard, Dr. Joanna Moncrief, and the Foundation for Excellence in Mental Health Care as contacts to begin the process. I shared our personal story. The receptionist encouraged me to write again with the points I had just shared with as much contact information as possible so that the information provided could be routed efficiently. I said that I believed that psychiatric survivors would greatly appreciate it for the Senator to get to know the names and faces of people who have been hurt by psychiatry. I had the strong impression that I WAS BEING HEARD.
    I think all of us have a golden opportunity right now to present our testimonies of our interface with the psychiatric system. Let’s stay positive and do as much good as we can.

  • One more thing, increasing social pathology creates the chaos that big-government, control freaks need and want to impose strict social control. So many of you are not connecting the dots, or else you are feigning ignorance of bureaucratic activism that is tightening control on every area of life and it WILL use psychotropics to repress dissent and freedom. The right and the left of the reform movement need to stop quibbling if they really want freedom.

  • To all of you who claim that all the mental illness is iatrogenic, I don’t agree. The anecdotal observations suggests some type of endocrine response or action. I would say that a culture of kindness that values the creation of healing communities, such as the Quakers started, could be very beneficial. Most of the research has been profit driven with the goal of neutralizing inconvenient people. Chronic stress from coercive public school routines with high mental stress , over-crowded social dynamics, and abnormal sleep rhythms has never been given adequate study, and I suspect is related to the BPD for those with more sensitive endocrine systems. Everyday life is divorced from nature and the physical interface for which our bodies are designed. Keyboards, plastic chairs, and cubicles are the equivalent of the old-school zoo cage. The concrete – asphalt jungles cannot be good for the mental health of the poor trapped there either. Our lousy economy saps the resources needed to create a healthy society. Governmental policies breed more social pathology and children suffer the worst and will send their pathology down the line. Many children are born with brain damage from drug and alcohol abuse. HOW are they going to find their way? The schools don’t know what to do with them, thus the drugging.

  • Oldhead, There is no one more pathetically vulnerable and endangered than a young woman who is rapid cycling in a state of mania. Their identities include their relationships to their families. Don’t buy the false liberal narrative that all patients need to be cut away from their families. These young women need protection from predators and pimps. They need supervision 24/7. Yes, I agree that it is mostly iatrogenic action. However, The masses of addicted patients need a functional infrastructure to make any progress toward health. Each of their lives has intrinsic value and must not be devalued as collateral damage in a sudden, rather Marxist, dismantling of services.

  • I empathize with your anger and frustration. This polarity underscores the need for reform before bad laws entrench a system that is deficient in parity of care. Problems with the medications themselves and with the lack of expertise to manage them has endangered our daughter both IN and OUT of the hospitals. If the Murphy Bill passes without modification, we will have MORE of the same “one size” , bungling practice. Unless the facts are made known about adverse/paradoxical reactions to these drugs and a more informed and personalized response is mandated, MORE patients will be hurt or killed. It made us sick knowing that our daughter had no place to go but to the hospital where they discounted critical information about her sensitivities to medication and almost killed her. Then they put her through hell, and much of it could have been avoided, but they were too proud and stubborn.
    I would like to see every patient who needs a bed , get one and THEN be given personalized care that is truly compassionate, informed , and cautious with the medications. But, the hospitals are overwhelmed and can run more like a corn-chopper without a safety switch, that just pulls you in and spits you out. No other field of medicine does this. Don’t let the Murphy Bill entrench standards of care that are FAR too LOW and even barbaric. I agree , Kate, that your voice is needed. We all bring different pieces of the puzzle to the table.

  • To modify my prior comment, the case can and should be made for independent scrutiny of patient’s response to medication by someone with no vested interests to the local hospital. Patients need to be able to find ‘safe haven” closer to their homes where their loved ones can see form themselves how they are doing. Patients should be able to choose their own advocates to dialogue re: issues of medication. The recommendations of Dr. Ablow of Fox News would do much to improve the system’s response to First Episode Psychosis as one point on the continuum of alternatives for patients.

  • Medications are poorly managed in and out of hospitals. Too few staff are adequately trained
    to recognize paradoxical reactions to medications and to respond appropriately. The psychiatric system is already overwhelmed with too many patients. This increase in forced drugging will result in a spike in deaths and preventable damages , yielding very poor outcomes for others.

  • I was wondering whether speaking out would make things worse. I wondered about other means of settling it. Mediation, etc. Wondering what concessions would be expected of Mr. and Mrs. Pelletier simply to have Justina come home.
    This feels like a punch in the gut. To feel powerless and morally outraged.
    It’s a new twist, but the same basic theme. Individuals don’t seem to matter. Why was Justina singled out? Does this have anything to do with eugenics? Is she considered expendable? Is this politically motivated as a test case to make clear that parents DON”T have rights? This is not the America to which I have pledged allegiance……………I remember how wrong things went when we took our daughter to the hospital thinking she would be helped, but things went very wrong. A Bad dream. Wish we could all wake up.

  • I am so sorry . I pray for you to have the victory in this matter.
    Your statements about the voice messages and how you’ve pieced together the evidence
    sounds SO familiar , it resonates with our situation. Would some kind
    of independent review service available to advocates when their loved one is in hospital, help to “sort things out” ? Like you, I am “thinking hard” to see how we can get more traction in these matters. I’m wondering, If we used a template to organize the warning symptoms of “hospitalizations-gone-wrong” so that we could present the evidence, of these repeat tragedies in a way that shows the “typical pattern” that occurs, to the ” powers -that-be”, perhaps they would begin to listen and respond better. I think the legislators stay clear of our pain because they perceive it as a confusing matter best left to the experts, which unfortunately amounts to trusting the fox in the hen house.


    The edema in the legs and the red lines on Justina’s body sound familiar and could possibly be due to effects of psych meds, which I have seen before. Whatever the cause, why is the judge stalling in the release of his decision? Is he giving the psych ward time to stabilize Justina’s deteriorating condition? Did the psychiatrists subject her to psychotropics and are they trying to wean her? What should be done for a judge who now appears to be catering to a rogue, lawless medical practice? Has the same judge made a number of rulings which have been defied by the hospital? If so, shouldn’t he require new psychiatrists, chosen with input from the Pelletiers, to oversee whatever needs to be done to safely transition Justina? The doctors who have created this mess should face severe penalties. If the judge won’t bring about decisive action, I would like to see him impeached. I hope the judge will seek and receive some legal counsel of his options to expedite this matter as quickly as possible. I am appalled by the lack of action by the governor, or is he working behind the scene? I would throw them all out. This looks like a revolt against the constitutional rights of citizens by the powers that be. If this isn’t a soft revolution, what is? Will Justina die? The hospital can never restore what they have stolen from this innocent family. How can I help? This comment is not intended to be a personal attack , but a discussion of choices and consequences of choices. This egregious violation of rights must be met with meaningful action. The American people should settle this by giving notice of civil and criminal charges. This is the time for civil disobedience, boycotts, whatever it takes to be taken seriously.
    Statesmen from around the country should denounce what has taken place in Bader 5.

  • This is terrible. Here, the court is driving the holocaust of brain rape, permanent damage, ruined lives. The high probability that the drugs will damage the inmate-patient and that the drugs will be mismanaged by staff truly makes this cruel and unusual punishment. The ignorance among the judiciary, which is due to the prevailing false narrative re: the action of psychotropics, renders our judges incapable of making informed decisions.. They need a truth injection. Once forced injections are allowed in jails, the floodgates will be opened and we can expect the criteria for forced drugging to become ever lower and subjective with neglect of the patient’s well-being, right to self-determination and future potential. Suppose the crime is only vandalism or breaking and entering or harassment,does that mean that a mentally ill person must be forced to play psychotropic roulette? What if the patient/inmate is found to be “one of the unlucky ones” as I was told was the case for our loved one, meaning that she has terrible reactions to the toxic meds? (The real meaning behind that pronouncement is that insurance companies and best practices do not offer a humane alternative as once could be found in a different age and exists even now in Finland, etc.) And you can be sure that the drugging will be executed by those who will have even less experience and knowledge than staff in hospitals who, even there, cannot recognize delirium as a sign of impending Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome, even when the parent who has informed himself of the symptoms and who knows the patient best, pleads with the nurse to call the doctor to reduce the medication!!!! Jails strictly limit visitation. There will never be the benefit to the inmate of a surprise visit by caring family to see for themselves how the inmate is faring. There will be a sharp rise in deaths of the incarcerated with mental illness. How alarming to see the systemic entrenchment of cruel and barbaric practices. The exploitative and violent nature of man rages on.

  • You may be right re: the need for litigation, but to take this one step back, legal services short of litigation are just as hard to find. Attorneys familiar with iatrogenic illness may not be found among the local hospital’s office of Mental Hygiene Legal Services. In-patients may look in vain to them for help. Most recently, I sought the help of a toxicologist to review the medication utilization of a hospitalization gone wrong , SINCE THE STATE DECLINED OUR REQUEST FOR THAT SERVICE. I was not looking for money, just professional validation of our concerns. Her response was that she would like to speak with our attorney. I’m still looking for one . I contacted a law group that recently won the release of someone with NO history of mental illness who was held without legitimate cause. They gently declined, but offered consolation that their response did not imply that we had no valid concerns.

    A new monstrous obstacle to reform may be on the horizon. The international community and the International Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) have been lobbying the current administration to grant oversight of the internet in the USA to a global international committee. Currently robust social media networks exist because of our freedom to access the internet. Communication with others of like mind , freedom to assemble in cyber space,
    is foundational to advocacy of all forms. To lose local control of this freedom parallels the loss of control of our brains and bodies to psychiatry. It has been said that prior to the recent invasion of the Crimea, a signal was used to jam communications there. To protect ourselves we need to protect our social networks. We need to take back control of our lives.