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What about listening to patients regarding their treatment?
I am so sorry about your horrific experiences with neuroleptics.
Regarding doctors accepting the fact that psych meds cause horrific side effects, heck, alot of them can’t accept the fact that nonpsych meds do. It is like they take it personally if their treatment doesn’t work and causes harm. Easier to blame the patient instead of empathizing with their situation.
Exactly HB. If the authors are so sure their products work, why not offer at least a 30-day money back guarantee with no questions asked? The product would not have to be returned.
Unfortunately, you are right on target. Sadly, I am not surprised as I feel the authors have exhibited this behavior with their previous blog entries.
Thank you for trying to pinpoint the important issues that need to be discussed.
I was one of those folks who swore these drugs were helping as they were destroying my life. So I completely agree with all your points.
And JanCarol, thank you for your great analysis of EmpowerPlus. Speaking of individual supplement plans, I need at least 2200IU of D to feel somewhat decent. I probably need more but am having an issue of tolerance.
This particular supplement only has 384IU of D which for most people would be a horribly deficient amount. Of course, folks could supplement with D but for the price they charge, I would expect it to have alot more of the vitamin in it.
Can someone please explain why an article on sleep by a big time pro drug psychiatrist is on this site? Sorry, I am a little miffed because I feel being on psych meds long term destroyed my sleep cycle big time.
Agree with everyone else who has skepticism about the product. If you look at the list of individual ingredients, you will find that that the percentages of the most common ones are alot less than what you can find in an average multivitamin. Charging $79.98 is big time robbery.
Go to http://survivingantidepressants.org/. When you become a member, there is a benzo forum you can join to get support for tapering the chlordiazepoxide. And you can also get support for tapering the Sertraline.
Thank you for what you are doing. I feel I was definitely harmed by being on psych meds long term and feel they completely destroyed my sleep cycle. Unfortunately, I will never be able to prove it but that is what I truly believe.
Please excuse my cursing but no shit, Sherlock. Really, a study was needed to determine this? Sheesh!
Wow Dr. Rodrigues,
You sound like the conventional doctors who think their treatments never cause any harm. So if one your patients ends up complaining about a problem, you just blow them off and say it can’t happen? Wow!
What happened to that person I mentioned is real and she has suffered a permanent injury. That doesn’t mind I think all chiropractors are bad as I had a former co-worker who greatly benefitted from one. And obviously, people on this site have also.
But this attitude of thinking that all alternative remedies are harmless is just as bad as doctors who think depression is responsible for everything known to human kind.
On a related note, this big local healthcare system keeps sending advertisements for expensive testing for strokes and related issues. So one day, I asked if it had ever occurred to them to promote screening for sleep apnea since studies have shown that the condition can lead to strokes. And if people were treated, it would be alot cheaper.
It was like I was speaking a foreign language. Unfortunately, I didn’t follow up with the name of a person I was given for some reason.
You have been exonerated. 🙂
Actually FD, if Candidate X goes on a low carb, high fat diet for his type 2 diabetes, he may not need insulin.
I know someone whose baby was born with haemophilia who will be royally screwed if he loses his Obama Care Coverage. Please explain how your advice would be applicable to his situation. And by the way, he and his wife eat a great diet that is strictly organic in case you wanted to claim their lifestyle had something to do with his condition.
There are also people who do everything right and still get sick. A perfect example are skinny type 2 diabetics who keep their blood sugar under control for years thanks to diet but still find it isn’t enough.
People with type 1 diabetes can greatly lessen their need for insulin with a high fat, low carb diet. See, http://www.lowcarbrn.com. But unfortunately, they still need it and if they didn’t have insurance, they would be up shits creek with the skyrocketing causes of insulin.
Suzanne, I understand your anger towards “conventional” medicine due to your father being killed. But is it really fair to make broad generalizations about people and their health that you would resent if the tables were reversed?
If my medical situation requires surgery or expensive tests, having Obamacare will be a big time life saver. I understand where you are coming from regarding your father but for people like me who are in similar situations, I would be up shits creek without it.
I am actually more scared of losing my coverage or seeing it turn into something alot worse vs. the possibility of experiencing the worst possible outcome of my situation.
You make some great points about true capitalism. How do you see that working regarding hospitals, particularly since costs are so high?
My mother got to start the blood pressure med “fun” earlier in her life. So she had time to benefit from her reactions. Of course, I am being facetious which is sad.
I thought the question was important because it seems that anyone who goes into a hospital who can’t advocate for themselves is vulnerable. I saw how that could happen when I was hospitalised after surgery in 2015.
I am not sure what you mean about hospital care sucking under capitalism. All health care whether it be mainstream or alternative is practiced under it.
The issue is that many conventional doctors think that drugs are the answer to everything and are incapable of thinking outside the box. The horrendous nightmare with Suzanne’s father started with a blood pressure med because of that attitude.
Several years ago, when my mother was alive, she picked up a C-difficule infection and kept getting antibiotics that weren’t helping. No one thought to do some serious analysis of the situation a forward thinking infection disease specialist added probiotics to her regime. She finally recovered.
When my mother was alive, every time she had an adverse reaction to a med, she would add it to a list which got to be so huge, it scared the sh-t out of doctors in hospitals. I have always felt that saved her big time from being over-drugged.
Wouldn’t the quality of care in the hospital usually be bad for anyone who can’t advocate for themselves or doesn’t have a family member to intercede? Have there been studies done about who is more vulnerable?
I totally agree with you that Single Payer is the best option which unfortunately, is never going to see the light of day. But having Obama Care is better than not having any insurance at all.
Well, saying the Government is conspiring with medicare to kill seniors is definitely a right wing talking point.
Fortunately, my medical issue turned out not to be a crisis and it looks like I can wait until Tuesday to see my PCP. But if I had needed emergency care, as I said previously, I would have been in big trouble without health insurance.
Your right wing rhetoric is total bullshit and extremely harmful.
Right now, I have a medical issue that is going to require seeing a doctor today. Without Obamacare, I would be up shit’s creek. God help me and everyone else who depends on this insurance if it is taken away by the Republicans whose solution to health care is that people die off quickly.
Suzanne, Justice 4, and anyone else I missed in this thread who lost elderly parents to chemical rape, I am so sorry for what happened. Words absolutely fail me.
While I am glad you were helped by a chiropractor, I know someone whose ankle was permanently damaged by going to one. The same precautions still apply whether you go to conventional or alternative medical professionals.
You nailed it precisely regarding Mickey regarding fighting for truth in psychiatry. Sadly, if I had had access to someone like him, I wouldn’t have wasted so many years of life taking useless psych meds.
I also greatly appreciate the fact how much Mickey cared about the patients he was serving and how he wanted to do right by them. He greatly rebelled at anything that forced him away from his values.
Abby, my deepest sympathy to you, your family, and all of Mickey’s loved ones for your loss. He will be greatly missed.
You sure you aren’t thinking of oral steroids? I haven’t seen anything that says steroid cream suppresses immune function.
On a related note, my PCP gave me some steroid cream for a rash on my leg which did absolutely nothing. Increasing my vitamin C dose got rid of it which was totally unexpected. 🙂
I definitely share your concerns about the alternative mental health movement. Pushing someone to take a “million” supplements seems no different than pushing meds.
But having said that, I know when I don’t take enough vitamin D, I feel more depressed than usual. However, taking the right amount isn’t going to going to magically make all my problems disappear.
I am also concerned that these authors promoted the Standard American diet of high carb, low fat that has not worked for many people, including folks with metabolic issues who have said this type of diet worsens their condition. They also don’t seem to realize that studies have shown that good fats like the ones Liz Sydney mentioned should not be avoided.
As an FYI, since many people develop metabolic issues from being on psych meds, eating grains (5–8 servings per day); and fruit (3 per day) would substantially spike blood sugar in alot of people even though it is considered to be “healthy” food. See http://www.lowcarbrn.com.
Since extreme blood sugar spikes can cause depression, I would urge anyone who is concerned about metabolic issues to buy a glucometer and testing strips and take extensive measurements to see what foods affect you.
There have been anecdotal reports that coconut oil or mct oil have helped. If I had a relative with Alzheimers, I would certainly give it a try since there aren’t any risks I am aware of. And it sure beats trying drugs that have proven to be useless.
The problem is those of us who didn’t vote for him, which is the majority, are going to suffer big time.
I have thought of that but I just don’t think there is much choice in the situation. It is the best way to get out notices that require very quick action.
Not exactly a relevant post for many people who belong to FB to oppose the nazi/fascist regime. Taking frequent breaks is still advisable but telling folks to stay away for a week is extremely unrealistic.
Once again, you are missing the point about psychiatry being demonized. The difference is with other medical professions, concerns are usually treated seriously although sadly, there are exceptions.
But many people who complain to their psychiatrists about drug effects and other issues are treated as if all their complaints are due to mental illness. Many times, they increase the dose which makes things worse.
And god help the person with a psych med history who goes to regular doctors for treatment. Many of us have found that we had to lie to doctors about our psych med history to make sure we received optimal care. Unfortunately, that is getting harder to do with electronic medical records.
Thank you oldhead. Great reminder.
No, you’re not wrong that other drugs have side effects but you and other mental health professionals make the point to detract attention from the fact that psych drugs have some of the worst side effect profiles. I am glad you agree they are a problem.
A common tactic you and mental health professionals deliberately engage in is to detract from psych meds having side effects by claiming others do also.
Speaking for myself and no one else on this board, I have never doubted that people benefit from psych meds. I just think the percentage is significantly less than folks who have been harmed.
Please stick to the topic as we are talking about whether taking psych meds long term are responsible for the increased disability rate.
And thousands of people would say differently regarding their effectiveness and side effects. You don’t have a monopoly on the truth just because you are a mental health professional. In fact, I find that every condescending.
You are right, causation doesn’t equal correlation. But if this situation was occurring with any other medical issue, it would be investigated pronto. Unfortunately, every adverse effect regarding psych meds is always blown off. I am really getting tired of this BS and seeing people’s lives destroyed.
Funny you mentioned unhealthy diet since many people on psych meds have reported intense food cravings and the lack of motivation to engage in exercise. And of course, “lovely” antipsychotics like Zyprexa have cause diabetes.
I already have a sleep apnea diagnosis. Unfortunately, it isn’t curable with the exception of some folks who lose weight and get rid of it. But I am already thin. Wish it were.:)
No, I can’t guarantee I won’t have health troubles in 10 years taking sleep medications. But not sleeping will also lead to them. Kind of like picking gasoline or the fire.
Unfortunately, melatonin has not worked but thanks for the suggestion.
Oh, people definitely choose the easy way. But not always. And we have to remember that we don’t always know the whole story.
No, your experience with Haldol doesn’t sound silly. I will bet psych meds cause sleep apnea although again, I admit I don’t have proof. And to be honest, in my case, I feel there were other issues that also may have led to it, including family history.
Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately, I have some very complex sleep issues that need professional help.
I know in Ms. Steven’s book, she criticises that line of thinking and says no one is special. But that is arrogant in my opinion when she doesn’t know the situation as I also have had difficulty with my pap therapy for my sleep apnea.
That is why I am a nut about making sure people get diagnosed correctly with sleep apnea vs. being put on psych meds as I have a suspicion (can’t prove it) that being on psych meds causes an extreme hypersensitivity that makes tolerating a pap machine extremely difficult. Unfortunately, I found tolerating a dental device even worse.
It is very judgmental to say people are taking the easy way by going back to sleeping pills. My life has been hell with sleep issues and to be honest, if I had found a med that worked, I would be on it. Unfortunately, I have had a hard time finding anything that works, whether it is prescription or a supplement.
As one who is going through horrific sleep issues thanks to being on psych meds long term and who knows alot of people in similar situations, you might want to consider setting up a practice to help folks like us who have these and other issues. I will bet there would be a huge demand for your services as long as you didn’t engage in price gouging which sadly, many alternative folks seem to do.
Kudos to you for realising psychiatry as it is currently practiced, is mostly a big time disaster. Good luck to you.
Thanks Alex, you did and I greatly appreciate that.
If someone is drunk, should they be driving based on your theory that the mind has control over the body?
OMG BL, what a horrific situation regarding your elderly relative. I am glad she was able to discontinue Atenolol after going through a hellish experience with it.
I was on the generic form of Coreg. I had no idea about beta blocker syndrome until I started this med and was reading about side effects. If god forbid, I need a high blood pressure med in the future, I will refuse any BB’s.
Great point Randall. They also cause diabetes which will cause most physicians to direct patients to certified diabetic educators who advise patients to go on a high carb diet that the American Diabetes Association supports because meds will cover it. Since diabetes is an issue of carbohydrate intolerance, it is like telling people with a gluten intolerance to eat alot of gluten.
My guess is that people try to diligently follow this advice only to see themselves getting worse which can be quite depressing. And the extreme highs and lows this diet causes can also result in depression.
So Alex, what your professional qualifications regarding sleep disorders? Do you have experience working with people with these issues and if so, what did you do to get them to heal? Not just talking about garden variety insomnia.
Serious questions since you claim anyone can heal.
OMG BL, I was only on it for a few days at a moderate dose and still felt like it was the drug from h-ll. There is no doubt in my mind that if I had been on it long term, the WD issues would have been horrible.
Are you currently on it?
I appreciate your response but unfortunately, as I have learned with my mysterious narcoleptic/circadian rhythm like sleep disorders, not everything is resolved with self-healing attempts. Believe me, I have tried many things.
Unfortunately, I have to wait to see a doctor in the US who has been highly recommended as someone who can help with my issues. Hopefully, it will be worth it.
I just think we have to be careful about assuming that if we were able to heal with self-help methods, that everyone should be able to. And if they don’t, it is because their attitude is poor. I am not saying you are doing this Alex but it is a vibe I am kind of picking up on when similar type issues are discussed.
I have very mixed emotions about this thread. I don’t want to say I have permanent damage but am still struggling with some issues nearly 7 years after taking my last pill. And just like several people struggling with damage have worked very hard to try to overcome their issues, so have I.
So when I hear the message that everyone can recover from years of psych meds, there is a part of me that goes, “yeah but”. On the other hand, Breggin’s message sounds very hopeless and doesn’t seem like the solution either.
Maybe if we had reputable medical providers to go to who could diagnose our issues and give us support with holistic measures to get ourselves in the best shape possible whatever that turned out to be. Unfortunately, many alternative folks are rip off artists also which I know will not be a popular statement on this board but to quote Alex, that is my truth.
Meanwhile, we struggle on our own and do the best we can.
Before I went on psych meds, I had some horrible experiences with therapists. But the two I had when I suffered through horrible side effects were life savers.
Another psychologist I saw for career counseling was very supportive regarding my tapering off of psych meds. There is no doubt in my mind that if I had seen her for counseling, I would have been happy with the match. Unfortunately, I quit seeing her because her office wasn’t convenient to get to.
I just think we have to be careful about making generalizations although I do understand the concerns expressed in the thread.
It is telling that Shaun never answered your question.
Well, if people want to throw their money down the drain, by all means, do the testing, like the neurotransmitter test which is a total ripoff because it is based on the assumption that someone has a chemical imbalance. But yet, because the alternative folks are doing this, we accept what they say without question.
By the way, one of the testing authorities listed wanted to charge me $4000 for an initial consultation when I was going through withdrawal issues. I didn’t accept the offer.
And instead of spending $219 for a food sensitivities test, for free, one can eliminate foods for 30 days and then slowly introduce them to see if there is a problem.
What I was responding to was that you had provided a June 2016 link claiming there was a move to make buying OTC supplements illegal. I was wondering if there was a current article about that because I haven’t heard that there was.
Even though there might not have been any deaths from supplements, people still need to be careful when taking them. They are not harmless and can cause adverse reactions, particularly in folks tapering off of psych meds who have very sensitive nervous systems.
Even vitamin D isn’t harmless and if one is taking it, be sure to test your levels to make sure you are not above the optimum level.
The supplements story was from June 7, 2016. Anything current?
Rebel, you said, “obesity” (another made up disorder)”
I know you understandably distrust the medical system but this is simply inaccurate and in fact, is a dangerous claim. By the way, do you seriously think that my friend who is morbidly obese (thanks to long term psych med use) has a made up disorder, particularly when she needs a cane to walk due to the extreme excess weight on her body?
Sorry you are in the “watch destructive damage around you” club thanks to long-term use of psych meds JC. Totally agree that the little people will get royally screwed.
You and Oldhead are right, I made a mistake about threads. My apologies.
Human Being, you made a few off topic remarks which I don’t have an objection to. But if you’re going to insist that comments stay on topic, you have to practice what you preach.
Oldhead, ideally threads should be on topic 100% of the time. But that isn’t reality. It just seems that instead of acting as a de facto moderator, if you want to get something back on topic to simply post a new comment and ask for follow-up remarks to it.
Hmm, next thing you know, professionals will be making the claim that depression causes a hangnail. I am so bleeping tired of it being blamed for everything under the sun.
Regarding integrative care that brings in psychiatry to a PCP’s office, it will mean more prescriptions for psych meds being written and less investigating by primary care doctors regarding the complaints of the patients. Why do any work when you can write a prescription for a psych med and send the patient on their merry way?
I greatly resent you trying to play moderator on this thread. If Noel hasn’t said anything about the comments, I am not sure why you feel the need to.
And even if the comments weren’t even intrinsically related, there was still alot of valuable discussions such as deeeoo42 doing an excellent job of refuting Shook’s contentions that ECT has minimal risk. No, his/her mind isn’t going to be changed but it might save someone who is considering it from going down the tragic path which you should be applauding based on your previous statements about protecting people from misinformation.
Thanks for letting me use your post. You are really killing it with all your points in refuting Shook’s claims about ECT.
I am so sorry that you experienced the loss of your skills as an artist and writer and the loss of your memories and children. I can’t imagine what that must be like.
Great examples of people in which ECT was a total disaster. Very tragic.
Hmm, people have ended up at http://survivingantidepressants.org/ in horrific shape because of idiotic psychiatrists who either cold turkeyed them off of several meds or did a very quick taper. Following doctor’s advice can be quite dangerous.
My god, the chemical imbalance bullshit will never die. And now that I have metabolic issues, I find the comparison to a diabetic needing insulin even more offensive.
Thanks Stephen for your response. Very interesting.
Excellent response to Princess Aurora by the way. You nailed it precisely about these meds being motivation depleters. After I had been on them long term, that was a side effect I definitely noticed.
On a related note, several years ago, I had a chance to interview for a peer support position working in a group home. When I asked what would happen if someone didn’t want to take meds, I got the strangest look from the person who told me about the job. That told me everything I needed to know and I never followed through with interviewing.
I really admire your ability to work in the hospital. I would have such a hard time keeping my mouth shut.
Great response to Shook. I was horrified at his/her posts claiming that ECT was safer than childbirth but just didn’t know how to respond.
Can I share your post in the future on other internet boards if I run across similar posters to this person? If you don’t want me to, I will understand.
I am so sorry for all your suffering, particularly in suffering a stroke as the result of ECT and not having it recognized by doctors until years later.
Thanks again for this post.
On another board, a mental health professional also claimed that forced treatment rarely occurs. It seems to be boiler place language in the industry just like the denial of med side effects by doctors or the “I have never seen this before” claim.
It was Joel Hassman. Nah, they are different personality wise and I will leave it that since I don’t want to get into trouble with my comment. 🙂
The chemical imbalance theory will never be supported by science. It was a big pharma creation.
I am not going to argue with people who claim that meds are beneficial. I was also one of those folks who made the same claim while they were destroying my life. My mother begged me to get off of them as she could see I was deteriorating. I blew her off as clueless about mental health issues.
I cringe big time when I think of that conversation. The only consolation is if I had tried to get off of them at the time, I would have been tapered too quickly which would have been a disaster. I didn’t yet have internet access so I wasn’t aware of slow tapers.
So how do you determine if meds are benefitting your clients like they claim they are? Do you do functional life assessments or how do you measure the progress?
What about neuropsych testing?
What if your clients feel the meds aren’t effective? What do you advise them to do.?
I don’t doubt that meds can benefit people but just like folks like you tell us that anecdotal experiences don’t prove anything, the same applies to your experiences.
Shook, you might have missed my previous post on this. You mentioned patients are screened for sleep apnea prior to ECT. In response, I asked if there are positive indications that they have it, do you suggest they hold off having shock therapy and get a sleep study to see if perhaps sleep apnea is an issue. My reasoning is that frequently when people don’t respond to depression treatments, it is because they have sleep apnea. Obviously, when one stops breathing several times while sleeping, that degrades the quality of sleep and can cause depression.
Here are two links by a psychiatrist on this issue as an FYI.
Sean F, I would also be interested in knowing if you take sleep histories of clients and refer them to sleep specialists when indicated.
No, someone speculated on a board that if Kelly Thomas had been under treatment for mental illness, he wouldn’t have been brutally beaten. I am not joking.
Interestingly Shaun F, I think alot of pro psychiatry folks are quite arrogant. I guess it is all perspective, right?
What really irked me is on another board, several of them thought it was wrong to speculate on Carrie Fisher’s death and actually took great offense to this. But these are the same folks who don’t have any problems speculating that someone killed in a shootout with police had untreated mental illness.
That is simply not true that people are not forced to take meds on an outpatient basis. Even ECT is forced.
You might want to contact Sera Davidow, an MIA blogger, who has worked in alternative mental health in Massachusetts. I am sure she would be happy to give you the facts of what goes on.
You also might want to contact Mind Freedom who has worked with people in this situation. And just you know, they are pro choice medication wise.
With all due respect, I am finding that many mental health professionals like yourself are sadly misinformed about this issue and really need to educate yourself. And I fear with the Murphy bill that passed, that things will only get worse.
Amnesia, I am so sorry for the loss of your close friend and for those horrific memories. God damm these psychiatrists.
When I walk and start thinking out loud, I appear to be talking to myself. But that doesn’t make me mentally ill:) even though I think it looks that way to people walking by. They always say good morning:).
All jokes aside, how you decide if someone is mentally ill? If you think it is because they are dressed poorly, there was a story about someone who assumed someone was homeless based on that premise and it turned out he wasn’t.
I am curious why you are expressing doubt when the psychiatrist admitted the drugs caused the seizures? Usually, they don’t admit anything about drugs causing horrific side effects.
On a related note, when I told a nurse I was seeing that Wellbutrin had caused tinnitus, she had the arrogance to say it was completely harmless and that it couldn’t have been the cause. Even my then psychiatrist agreed it was the culprit.
I just don’t understand why it is so hard for people to believe that drugs can cause side effects, even horrific ones. Obviously, causation doesn’t always equal correlation but prior to my going on Wellbutrin, I hadn’t experienced any tinnitus. Now, it is permanent which I realize doesn’t qualify as horrific by the way. But just trying to make a point.
I can’t remember if I mentioned this here but several years ago, when I started using Listerine, it caused a loss of my sense of taste. As soon as I stopped using it, it returned.
Interestingly, the dentist took my report very seriously even though according to dental literature, this was a rare occurrence. I have never understood why if the dentist could take my complaint seriously even though there was a financial connection since it had been given as a sample, why doctors react completely different when patients report adverse effects.
If someone tests positive for the possibility of having sleep apnea, do you refer them for a sleep study to see if they have it before administering ECT? I am asking since many cases of depression can resolve with proper treatment or at least enable medication to be more effective?
Not be sarcastic Sean but my friend and I joking call your reply, the I have ever seen it response.
How do you know that what your clients may be attributing to stress may not be the result of the med? Maybe your clients aren’t telling you their feelings out of fear you will think they are crazy
By the way, I would have never believed drugs could do this until I took Celexa several years ago and became severely agitated. I was filled with rage which is totally unlike me. I also had no reason to be since I had a good paying job that I liked.
Even though my psychiatrist advised staying on the med, I disregarded his advice which was one of the smartest things I have ever done.
That proves nothing since all the other Republicans voted for the bill. As Stephen Gilbert keeps saying, neither side of the political aisle is our friend.
Anyone who surfs the Internet is responsible for their own actions and for deciphering what information is valid and what isn’t. That is just common sense.
Human Being, I have read Anatomy of an Epidemic. I haven’t seen Peter Goetze’s video.
Actually, I question when there is truly informed consent in any med being prescribed. When my former PCP insisted I needed blood pressure meds, she never mentioned that white coat hypertention can provide false readings. Thankfully, I asked for a 24-hour blood pressure test and realized I didn’t need the meds.
This is OT but I am wondering if you were a night owl growing up. As a result, if you have been allowed to go to sleep when your body preferred, you wouldn’t have had insomnia.
In another post, you asked about my quality of life. Unfortunately, while tapering off my cocktail of meds, I developed narcoleptic like issues that have still not abated. When I described this as pseudo narcolepsy on David Healey’s forum, he didn’t disagree with my description.
Anyway, I can’t give you pub med citations but I suspect psych meds severely disrupt sleep cycles and that is what happened to me. I never had these problems prior to going on psych meds.
So far, the doctors I have seen have no clue as to how to help me. So I am working on arrangments to see someone who supposedly has had experience with complex sleep issues. Hopefully, he will provide the answers.
Why the sarcasm as it was a serious question? I feel that if someone is recommending something they claim has zero side effects, they should be willing to have it themselves or subject their family members to it.
By the way, have you ever suggested sleep studies to people whose depression doesn’t seem to be remitting before recommending ECT? You do know that there is a certain percentage of people diagnosed with depression who turned out to have sleep apnea, right?
Would you advise your loved ones to have ECT since you think it is so safe? Would you have it?
I will never argue with someone like yourself who claims meds have helped. But you don’t seem to understand that being on them for many people has caused their lives to be hell. I am not sure why that is so hard to understand.
One of the worst decisions I ever made in my life was to go on psych meds. When I think of all the money I wasted on psych meds when it could have been going for more productive things, I want to cry. So I try not to go down that road. But it is tough at times.
Very interesting amnesia.
On a related note, many people with narcolepsy have found that their condition greatly improves with a gluten free, low carb/ketogenic diet. Even if they can’t get off of the meds, they find their dosage decreases.
Actually, doctors generally know zilch about nutrition. So I would be shocked if psychiatrists did.
I have to vehemently disagree with you that Matt’s statement was irresponsible because you think it could encourage people to take psych meds. The free will you talked about in another post applies here. If someone decides to take a psych med based on someone’s positive review, that is on them.
Look, if I can help it, I will never take another one as long as I live. And personally, I think they cause more harm than benefits. But I also have friends who seem to be doing very well taking them. It would be quite arrogant me to tell them otherwise.
I am just baffled by comments like yours. We don’t like it when people question our disasters with meds but yet we feel free to do the same when folks post a different perspective.
Shaking my head.
Not sure I understand your point.
Comparing harmful effects of foods to antipsychotics is a horrible comparison. And side effects of prescription meds can be worse than ones from illegal drugs.
The issue again is that when doctors are prescribing psych meds, they are neglecting their ethics in not providing a fully informed choice.
You are so right.
“”From 2011 to 2015, PepsiCo and the Coca-Cola company gave money to 96 national health groups, including the American Diabetes Association and the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation, and lobbied against 29 public-health bills aimed at improving nutrition.””
Do you ever believe that psych meds can cause homicidal or suicidal ideation in people who wouldn’t have committed the acts if they hadn’t taken the meds? Just wondering because of some of your posts.
If people develop diabetes from these drugs as many sadly do, sugar is extremely harmful. Even “good” carbs like oatmeal can spike blood sugars very high. No sugar isn’t the direct cause of heart disease but uncontrolled diabetes can definite result in heart issues.
Sadly, the American Diabetes Association, instead of advising people with diabetes, to eat a high fat, low carb diet that normalizes blood sugars, believe in eating lots of carbs because they can be covered with drugs. Sound familiar?
Anyway, this is relevant to the psych med issue because not only are people’s health’s in jeopardy taking these meds, if god forbid anyone develops diabetes, the diabetic educator that the person will be assigned to will most likely add gasoline to the fire by promoting a diet that will make things alot worse along with the meds they are told to take to cover the toxic high carb diet.
I don’t think the risks are worth it but obviously, that is a decision for your clients to make. Unfortunately, most people who take psych meds have not been provided the necessary facts to enable them to make a fully informed decision.
I am glad you see this as a serious issue.
By the way, if god forbid your clients develop metabolic syndrome, can you refer them to this site?
Unfortunately, the American Diabetes Association seems to think there is nothing wrong with eating carbohydrates even though they drastically shoot up the blood sugar. And yes, this includes the “good” carbohydrates like oatmeal. They claim that it can be covered with meds even though the extreme blood sugar fluctuations will eventually cause organs to wear out whereas going on a high fat, low carb diet keeps blood sugar extremely stable.
Even type ones who needs medication, find they need alot less with this type of diet.
And contrary to popular belief, this type of diet does not promote heart attacks or increase blood pressure. It actually usually normalizes everything.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to go off on a tangent but I feel passionate about this issue. I have been pretty negative towards psychiatry but have almost as much contempt for the ADA because of what I feel are extremely harmful practices that hurt people with diabetes.
I am so sorry about the loss of your friend.
I am scared to death that someone I know who has also been on antipsychotics long term is going to suffer the same fate. It is a very helpless feeling.
Completely agree Lost. Cold turkeying a med or tapering too quickly is like putting the breaks on the car at 60 miles per hour.
And anyone who advocates this should be willing to support users 24 hours per day who suffer horrific withdrawal symptoms because of this advice.
If you are still reading, this is a great site for support in getting off of antidepressants.
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Lots of luck.
I think psychiatrists do know what they are doing but most engage in what I call deliberate ignorance.
Jarett, I was completely speechless after reading your story. I swear, everytime I think things can’t be any worse, someone like you sadly proves how wrong I am.
Kudos to you for what you have accomplished in spite of going through hell.
I was on a moderate dose of Coreg for just a few days for what turned out to be white coat hypertension. Even getting off the drug after not being on it for too long was not easy. I can’t imagine someone getting off it after being on the medication long term.
And by the way, it was the drug from h-ll. My exercise stamina was reduced by 50% and I definitely had depression that disappeared once I was off the drug.
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