Wednesday, March 22, 2023

Comments by Bill Wells

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  • The one that prompted me to respond to this post was:2008: Does Ethics Have a Chance in a World of Consumers? Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press. ISBN 0-674-02780-9

    another: 2004: Wasted Lives. Modernity and its Outcasts. Cambridge: Polity. ISBN 0-7456-3164-9

    To realize the presence of a better ethical context in the decision making process within the individual and collective self in the rate of change contributes to a certain structural upheaval. Hope these are of interest, but do explore his Bibliography.

  • Perhaps some of the response to your support for Dr. Ophir is the language and that also of being challenged to write in way that advances the argument to the point, shaped by being rooted in Judaism. Locally, in attending a class sponsored by Chabad at the Jewish Community Center, the use of a beautiful and insightful book, from the JLI titled Book Smart, “Exploring Judaism’s Most Important Titles and the Authors Who Inscribed Them” in the 5th Chapter advances the idea of Musar and Jewish Philosophy. In the heading under “The Pitfalls of Anger”, from Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Laws of Character 2-3 part of the influence that is surfacing in the layered responses of this discourse conveys concerns that are woven into the practice of “science” that in and of itself is changing. The requisite paradigm needed is more of being cool while advancing the arguments by which then the Whole, the Lights can come on for not just one particular sheet in the Diagnostic Statistical Manual, that we as customers have come to realize serious shortcomings, but the whole. Too many lives are being lost and the Justice to bring into better healing/recovery challenges the economies by which the business of mental health care operates. In this sense, are we at a point no less than Cardinal Bellarmine and Galileo or Bruno and the Catholic Church. Seems to me there is a serious need for some serious apologies and structural shifts by which health can be realized in terms of Love and Respect. Just one voice added to the scales!

  • Are you replying to me? Or David? For to commit time, efforts in trying to discern what is being typed can be vastly different from what is spoken or even thought? The authenticity can be clamored for, and yet maybe even elusive? Made so even by the nature of the technologies role in accepting these brief comments, thoughts, etc.
    (To even read the comments, when placed at different times is important to embracing the whole of the conversation, at least how I try to understand when, who and what, but even the how and why something is said.).

  • One may be making assumptions to the logic? Typing out/texting out is not the same as outing the issues, as complex as they can be. Not so much by design, as the struggle to learn how to sleep, be off meds, when the amount of power in a thought, a shared way of learning to learn, to awaken to better “Ordering, through awareness for the entropic forces? (the rolling down hill). Citizens, across cultures and expressions the last I time the Constitution was read, seems to be an inclusive document, though up for interpretation. How is it, the context seemingly is cancelled when we enter the hospital? And other extension of the health/legal systems? Power, how much is needed? Empowerment, How much or what are the qualities of the content of character? (To think and process in the legal manner?) For I think some definite errors have been made.

  • You might request from the local library: Dying for ideas : the dangerous lives of the philosophers Brădățan, Costică. Being from Chicago, I assume you studied Saul Alinsky with a search that will show him working with Indigenous of Canada.

    I would ask how the “Divide and Conquer” mantra operates to elevate while sharing an engaged learning from a state of mind that could say, “Divided We Stand, United We Fall”. (The opposite of the mantra for Kentucky, which within politics, the degree of access is shaped more on the weight of how much money can be raised, now being shaped differently in a digital currency, though that has major implications for accountability, too). Perhaps we have become “united” through endless emails, posts? The experience here, is to work both singular and collectively/collaboratively.

    A note on Bruno, the story is in the referenced book about Ideas mentioned above. As children, my cousin would tell us how the Bruno Children of the local Pizza Company had ancestors who were burned at the stake. Hard to believe? The challenge is to create and not just out of think air, though to design the access, programming, where We can, We Discover, in a better way our Humanity. As for the Industry, what are the boundaries you are talking about?

    As Tip O’Neill would suggest, the politics start at the local level. And some organizations can be extraordinarily closed. Finally, could “the movement” be stalling in layers of typed replies? For to travel to a conference, physically and see Oaks selling books, the discourse, we were learning, though to understand our concerns of having a different economy that afforded us development/participation remains essential to the challenge (in my opinion.).


  • Can one’s thinking alter the space that surrounds, to invite into existence a higher, richer expression of unconscious into LIFE? That perhaps surrounds one with thoughts of suicide/death? In participating with a small group of diverse citizens around the idea of a Metro Dis-Ability, Metro dis-Ability or Metro dis-ability coalition I would become patently aware of the very power in the structure of words where identity can be discovered mirroring the self. Reasoning predicated on one level of existence is fascinating to experience when one is at the doorway, and suddenly a fresh in-sight can occur, either directly are perhaps more from a bow, a curved arrow? (if you get the drift?) while trying to realize a degree of questioning? Peace, and thanks for the article and comment.

  • Nijinksy, you may be missing the point. For if one understands Christianity, the idea is the individual became the fleshy word, a Temple, the Temple. Though if further education arrives at the point, where the neural synapses are firing off, releasing an “ah-AH” sort of I got what Ekaterina is talking about or you, then how do we sit with a cat like smile of “We know”. And if the idea is somewhat akin to understanding buildings of life, as akin to Sholem Aleichem, then we, as community have some challenges to create the currency of learning to learn to share with ???. Perhaps the experience of a mental hospital in Russia is vastly different from one in the Netherlands. Though what gives rise to the paranoia?

  • Can one effectively teach psychology in a technical college? Or how does one realize the impacts of pharma, not just the invasion of pharma into an expression of biology, certainly not as technology(s)? But then work through the boundaries by which the various disciplines are perceived on and off campus, say even through the community that reads Is that possible to absorb and understand the powers being generated through questions, creativity and participation?

  • Kimberly:

    As you describe being a student at Simon Frazier, who is financing the experience? (At the individual level, campus, university, city, British Columbia, Canada through the form of what financial instruments? For the interest rates in markets that have to be reconciled and cleared everyday historically through England. But now a different network. So, at what point, do we begin to charge interest for our incredible understandings, experiences for discerning the verb in realities? How to truth and know the truths that unlock the burdens, to be free and healthier?

  • Richard: Can you show the structural operations of the consciousness becoming conscious in knowing “The Temple”? If within the Christian Faith, the Belief is one of bowing to “The Lord”, then if one really understands the moving of the Spirt, at what point will the Beloved Community begin to assist with the Building of the Third Temple? To craft and work the trades and knowing the cosmology, would seemingly give rise to an understanding for the creativity inherent to the innovation of design, enough to be more than awesome. One may no longer need a rope to pull the priest out, nor even a computer to type on, though to send a message into Georgia may need a reading of Howard Odum, whose son Eugene started the ecology program at University of Georgia, his other son at UF would write about system and energy. Hence, is the question and challenge one of learning about the love in healing, alignment, and the discovery of synapses emitting little sparks of joy? In the vessels, while maybe breaking or not?

  • Sam: Just as one is tapering slowly while being concerned with that dynamic, where or what practices are being discovered in being better aware for the creativity of being present as an informed citizen? By any chance, have you explored Richard Feynamen’s, “Surely You Must Be Joking” and Stafford Beers, “Too Many Grapes in the Wine”. Seemingly the behaviors of being placed on the meds and the minds working to insure compliance can be a challenge to taper off, let go while moving on into economies by which the ethics can be explored in the individual and collective sense.

  • Where one is in their journey, becoming aware of their rights and power/empowerment can pose a a challenge in a good way. The amount of effort required to exert legal rights requiring intervention with the assistance of legal professionals may be required, though when those who are elected to public office are the ones perpetrating the abuse and violation of one’s civil rights, then what can one/should do? The ACLU along with the ABA would not intervene as if limitations runs out when our community is being destroyed? Doesn’t make sense nor cents, when we are challenged to think about the structure of an idea! 🙂 Dr. Stone perhaps had other issues happening within his life, for decision making is rather complex.

  • At what point will you also convey the choice of creating a job as in “self-employed” as an entity? Or the creation of a non-profit with a 501.c3 classification that conveys and teaches democracy? Or the various other routes one might create and work through as an owner? (See if We Can, rise to the challenge? with or without the mind swallowing benefits afforded in e-connectivities?) Please elaborate if possible. Tks.

  • Can you please elaborate further about capitalism as political philosophy and the difference between the machinery of banking and banked knowledge production that generates truth? The nature by which the academy(s) operate? Mental Health/Mental Illness may not be an expression of a singular pathway, but rather a rich networks dances between the unconscious attempting to process and interact with the consciousness of what be an internal and even eternal question. The complexiities of the discourse might even be falsely held within the language of advocating/peers and so forth. Where is the imagination that leans toward an economy(s) that embraces LIFE?

  • Just read Max Fisher’s Chaos and the Machine, that conveys how the social platform created through Facebook, witnessed a rise in college students visiting the counseling centers. Might the role of learning how to stay attached, stay connected, being drawn into speech through fingertips, to the exclusion of realizing an audible response from those that surround one’s life be a part of the issues that shape wave perceptions. The spread of misinformation, or for any healthy mind wanting to be healthier, informative and of service, in shaping an economy brings the discussions into one of asking questions that generate collaboration? Does the speed of information transmitted also have degrees of humility attached? Tks much for the article.

  • You might enjoy a reading of Osmond’s later book, Predicting the Past. In which he would reference Kio Izumi who would work with him when he was exploring LSD and coined the term psychedelic. Kio and I would have several conversations on the alternate ways of knowing reality. He also would write a letter to me about the unconventional consciousness and reference me to Mahayana Buddhism.

  • When does the Sea of Fog stop? For to have survived living in Public Housing while discovering the roll the Federal Code plays I though would be grounds for empowering the democratic process. The Advocates in Kentucky Taking Action Against Mental Illness became a viable 501.c3 only to be destroyed I would have thought would be a wake up call. Where to go for legal help that understands the nature of what is happening? Frederich’s Wanderer above the Sea of Fog seemingly requires of the citizen labelled to understand the systems from a legal context? Is it time for the vessel to come home to the Port? To understand the creativity? Celebrate the Gifts?

  • On further thoughts and in response to the image, how does a Mobile balance? Like the Calder that was breathtaking to experience in the journey? Though this image is not about a Calder, rather how can justice be realized if the Legal Houses pour money into campaign coffers? Does the legal profession become weighted? Do the scales of justice become complex with other scales weighting the movement as the breath of life becomes more laboured for the clients? Or does the ethics of a healthier mind, begin to understand the differences along with the short and long term consequences for being forcibly medicated? Forcibly guaridanshiped? Forcibly forced into a diminished existence when the form of democracy in the USA is tuned slightly different?

    I am curious ! And I think so are many who read this site! Thanks Kornicki and Graphic Artists! Staff and those aligned with the wisdom of Madinamerica.

  • I would be offered the choice to realize a guardianship at the end of my divorce. So thankful that I did not accept the offer. With only the income realized from the SSDI check, moved into public housing. And began to wonder how come their Resident Council seemingly did not process democracy as we had in our non-profit in Kentucky that was known as ATAK/MI (Action Taken in Kentucky Against Mental Illness). We would realize even the IRS classification of a 501.c3. But in listening to the National Empowerment Meeting that celebrated passing the torch, would meet an individual from Arkansas who had returned back to the state. She had worked in nursing homes, where it seems the funds that are suppose to take care of those in these centers can be taken through lack of accountability. Hence, how do We, and I as an individual realize 1) the proper language in legal contracts, 2) how to distinguish between what the terms mean when “Shall” is used and “Should” is used? Or has the language of disabilities been misconstrued to “We shall destroy these people?”

    Perhaps there is way the ship can be directed in a different direction that is healthier for all, as Justin Dart would encourage?

  • How come you do not reference the hearing about the Far-Left, or pronouning di-stress, dis-order? For every moth that is drawn to the flame without a left and right wing I would think might not be able to fly. And then, when at last, the creature awakens to the fact of being, that is having a flame within, might just start singing, “I’ll fly away someday, I’ll fly away”. Having grown weary from being pinned inside the collector’s box? Just ask Mark Dion! Or the Queen Bee!

  • Great Podcast, but what did you do with the integration of the ARTS/Sciences? To think about what it means to be human seemingly is not a picking up of tempo but rather to relax and engage in communication. What role does the tech play as the in between is a societal experience is drawn into a form of “work” monetized falsely through the tech of affirming the thinking through tech to the exclusion of the human? (as in responding to a podcast, as insightful as it it, never the less a medium detached and removed from human. To address a management perspective outside of the psych experience, see Russell Ackoff’s Redesigning Society. The language unique to psychology and psychiatry may also be part of the problem. Thanks again.

  • Sam: Beautiful insights and questions are conveyed in this synopsis. You allude to the context in the initial words.

    “Ableism, stigma, and prejudice can be insurmountable barriers for psychosocially disabled people in academia, but the federal government could help fix this problem.”

    In becoming involved within our movement in Louisville, an article for the Disability Rag would be written after experiencing Justin Dart’s speech to the Alternatives Conference in Philadelphia. At what point I ask does a human being become “psychosocially disabled”? In the struggle to participate in or outside of the academy?

    In attending the Independent Living Movement Conference in D.C., to have met Ed Roberts and begin to understand the issue of design, design, design only to be dismissed, dismissed, and dismissed when trying to convey this affirmation into the planning and design community/governance in Louisville requires further discussion.

    For when you reference Federal Government, do you see this body as a static element? The academy, too being somewhat ossified in how learning works in the Western Mind?

    Seemingly, one is challenged to create the value in an economy that requires some form of finance. Time would be spent while in D.C. to also visit the Comptroller of the Currency’s Office. For once back in the community, if one or one’s family finds it difficult to borrow resources and then pay the debt off, how does the issue of competition or collaboration strengthen the process of affirmation for difference? And in a strange way, the currency that once occupied vaults seemingly is now transmitted in some form of a pixelated currency. Also, the structure by which sound is transmitted that morphs into earbuds. But is anyone listening or understanding our challenges?

    Seemingly, the mantra of Unity creeps in and pushes those who think differently beyond the margins. The challenge seems to be one NOW of how to write a scientific paper in a community/country that affirms LIFE. In driving back to Arkansas, a visit to the site of New Madrid would occur. And within the visitor’s center would be the simple material oriented about how an earthquake realigned the river.

    Even Laurence Santrey’s book about a Young Albert Einstein seems to realize insight into the problems aligned with governance in The Academy, Countries and the Cosmos. To experience difference and curiosity is a gift. For your writing and the range in which you travel helps articulate more what the “ether” and where intelligence is needed in shaping the affirmation and courage of the We. If not in the sensory experience of being a better human across countries and cultures.

    Hope this helps!

  • Now, this is sort of strange, technically speaking, since the brain has become a technical extension of something or another, to be studied through the lens of the Liberal Arts. So, are you saying, that for the most part, the thinking about the unique human being observed and perhaps listened to, can fall within a range of what is normal? For that particular label?

    Because in Kentucky, we once had Governor Wallace Wilkson, who also had the contracts for the bookstore, one being the University of Louisville. So, a whole fish bowl of the little squeezy brains from, in colors of Black, White, Yellow and even Pink would be available to the customers. I order a couple of of the bowls and only sold a couple.

    Most did not grasp the serious significance of their label, Standard Deviants!

    So, how does the deviance in the professional practice be guided into realizing a better truth?

    Seems to me, a few people including myself, have made some errors in life, but when the process is killing “those people” in the act of creating social schizophrenia, there seems to be a problem, from the floor of seclusion to the highest echelons of governance?

    If the legal challenge is to be filed, the practices need to be shown. Even for the ones whose lives were destroyed? Help me on this one, please.

  • Well, funny you should ask. The clarion call might be a collective action. How to frame the challenge. From the past, a major player in filing civil rights challenges would file the legal challenges himself. He would explain that lawyers wanted to work in Louisville and to advance the challenge, the risks of being shut out were greater than what he perceived to be the merits of the case.

    Hence, I went to the Clerk’s Office of the Federal Courts in the Federal Building in Louisville and requested the packet/information on how to file a challenge.

    Hence, go to the United States District Court, and request the following: Pro Se Handbook for Non-Prisoners, 2) Non-prisoner application to proceed without prepayment of fees and affidavit, 3) About these forms

    So, perhaps a movement of We, as citizens begin to move the challenge, collectively and individually might focus the discussion. The clerks who work are not attorneys and as such, to expect legal advice when we are asking for the corrective action…. will flesh out perhaps the issues that have been and are creating the problems…

    So, perhaps this sharing of information might be of interest. More later.

  • How does the journalist get to the “We”? When the struggle and challenge with the eye, the inner I and nature of bias can be creating waves the patterns? If the questions are not being framed to sift out a truth, then how can the understanding deepen to understand the simple as well as the complexities of dissonance in and through the cognition? Vast difference in the East to the West Coast conversation?

  • Congratulations to the graphic artist. The image says more than where “the law” is now. Your article in the sentence, “And that leaves the law as the only possible lever for prompting such wholesale reform” indirectly is the key. For the idea in part would be realized a few years ago at the New York Academy of Science Meeting on Bipolar that featured Rif El Malik, from the University of Louisville and others. Seems the drug manufactures poured money into the session at the beginning of the Obama administration but were no where present.

    So, in attending the event to learn, coming out of the elevator where one sees the bust of Darwin one can only hope for an evolutionary moment. From the presentations, one learned of simple tests performed on the lab rats, but when I self identified as a c/s/x, off the meds, the cognitive dissonance was experienced a bit in myself but more so, in the younger students making up the audience.

    Hence, how could cognitive dissonance not be occurring, in portions of the thought process. For law to confront the creation of law seemingly would be akin to Moses listening to Moses and then saying I got it! In breaking the tablets, the light was released but also entered through the cracks. To have the law be the lever, the assumption of the fulcrum being rooted to where the point operates might be ignoring the image of a fulcrum base planted on the ceiling, for then the overlap and intertwing of the Star would convey a different, more golden reality.

    The stable of legal types are there, the invite and the coffers along with assemblage to move the material forward into legal form is only a matter of time. This is not a technical question, but rather how power is held and realized during periods of vulnerability. And in terms of medical malpractice, the role of the state and private hospital (as if there are private hospitals) in the corporate sense must figure out a way to realize accountability, of and by governance systems and then within the organization, the very people and research that realized funding and license to practice the deep mining of the brain, while never realizing the intersectionality.

    The emergent words now, if not this effort to respond, may be in need of an edit effort. Perhaps the readers will also experience some joyful cognitive dissonance in realizing the gifts inherent to learning!

    Where will the lawsuit be filed? Which state or court has the scales warming up? For the silence is killing us.

  • Professor Sears: Do Peter McGovern and colleagues err in suggesting that one born into a country with citizenship actually recover something that by right, is neither lost. For to understand a lanuage that empowers and affords LIFE in the unconscious becoming conscious domain requires expressions of inquiry? When one’s civil rights are being violated against one’s will that may be confined to or in a mental hospital, then where are the skills to know when trauma is being created (assuming the human, the citizen being global through e-networks is attempting to realize change)? Where is the consciousness within the legal profession or the domain of therapeutic jurisprudence if part of the skill is tied to how the issue(s) are being framed for the courts?

  • Then, are you saying, are you affirming Nothing or Nothing at all? Nietzsche was enough of a threat for some, and a gift to others. (My spelling at times leads one into check that word, did the thinking system really skip a beat, when the house is on fire). Where are the attorney(s) who will take our cases, when individuals, church and state, even have data as information sitting in their files, while failing to act? And they are thinking they can get away with murder? Being created in the virtual and not so virtual ghetto?

  • See and know there is still time to register for the conference! At one point of my life, time would be spent visiting with a professor at UL, who came to Louisville to serve as the Provost for Spalding University. Then his career took him down the street and we would meet over the film, Fractals: The Colors of Infinity where Arthur Clarke leads off a bit. Seems the tele system and computers have something to do with research, too. And at one point, the Prof I knew served as Pres of the ISSS. So, are there systems that need a voice from outside, inside or in between the dark world of “the system(s)” we invoke?

  • You and Peter may not be radical enough in the thought process. For when the article leads off with the verbiage, “in a study conducted in a real life setting…”, to even suggest the space one is existing in is not real life, that is still assembling from an incredible structure whereby even now, a few letters emerge, to convey, the simple idea of question, Question, QUESTION!!!!!!! Just who is monetizing the LIGHTS, coming on, and then being subdued as one tries to find the whole of their existence between real and not real life? Create a great day, that will radical in its own way! Sooooooooooooie!

  • Is there a way to converse with you? For I was a graduate student at Waterloo and I would be caught between your practice, the gestalt therapist who served within the Department of Environmental Studies and my Uncle, the family Doctor back in Arkansas. The nature of his intervention triggered a response, that has taken a life time to unravel. And by reading, learning, constant study and awareness for the work of Whitaker and others, a stronger truth is emerging that may or not be unsettling to the Justice Departments and practice of medicine. Many lives have been lost and are being lost because in part, every one, while unique is on a bit of a different journey. Congratulations on your book. I would experience the hospital along with the compassion of the KW culture. Much different from what I have encountered.

  • How and why does the language and action by the APA avoid the term, “No Income”? If the embodied profession wishes to understand the journey of being able to access dollars that reflect even a depth of values, value and potential for the lights to begin to show again the inner/outer sparkle of the eyes, then the space is in need of being written and affirmed in and beyond the guidelines? Behaviors? Insights of coping within the physical/conceptual institutions? The accreditation of degrees, that can honor difference?

  • In Freud’s time, what was the theory of money doing; credit and how was the profession monetizing the labor and the play? Sexually abused in the reference frame of Foucault’s discourse on the Panopticon? Or in the country where what was sovereign in monarchy clearly been transferred to the people? When was the power in part transferred into the machinery of the technologies, that is from a scale of inside the human versus say inside the built hospital? (Something seems to be happening into what might be considering improving the design, even if we get our hip displaced in wrestling.)

  • Is stigma more like magma? And if you cemented it, is there a possibility the mountain will explode while trying to realize a release? For lights gets in and out through the cracks? Though for a Bell to have been cracked can be linked to a flow in the casting? Humans though are not cast nor set in stone but I tend to think We are trying to figure the way our Being can be realized through some level of Becoming? But all these people who have lost their lives, can push one over the edge, as the systems are trying to realize “Outcomes” as if that is the Key to Training? Seemingly, to me the words that go along with quantity are all over the verbiage. As a result of what? See WHO event from this morning!

  • What are the 3 tests used? Drowning, running a maze and ? (I would hear travel to NYC to hear the local featured psychiatrist, Rifaat El Mallakh from Louisville speak to the crowd inside the new World Trade Center Bldg at the offices of the New York Academy of Science. (See Whitaker’s take on Mallakh’s research).

    The pharma industry had sponsored the event at the beginning of the Obama Administration. There seemed to be some cognitive dissonance occurring when I shared with them I had worked off the meds and would participate in asking some questions. Rather amazing space to witness in the rebuilding of the New York World Trade Tower.

  • I am not talking about accusations and declaratives of being a quack scientist. In finishing up a reading of the book, there is a sense of concern of being in the ballpark of the mental health discussion. Unfortunately, the language, not just spoken, but written seemingly must convey the reality of the humanity within all LIFE. In the discovery of writing, creating, through an integration of the Arts/Sciences, the exchange can be made richer that is not necessarily outcomes driven nor tied to the technology. Seemingly our culture is being shaped as much by STEM to the exclusion of STEAM. Even posting to this page may not be in one sense “live” but asynchronous that might give pause for reflexivity. Thanks for the review of the book. I am prompted to want to know how Insel then created a business that affords mental health treatment for Berkeley. Does anyone know? (For the reasons for the stats recorded is reflective of the management style of the thinking within and beyond the area in which discourse runs through e-connectivities).

  • Bob, Michael and those who are reading the column: Thank you for writing the testimonial about Jobe. And also to reference the story of how he developed and the impact that challenged you to act! The rich expressions and responses to a reality that carries with it a measure of hope is remarkable. The Long Term is a natural stance in which to understand change. As Harrow surmised, Jobe apparently had a gift of staying in the space akin to the gap, while trying to understand the architecture as well as the source of the spark.

    Not only Thomas Jobe’s Legacy but yours and many who afford witness and a method by which to further the discourse.

  • If you focus on the categories of civil rights, while recognizing the entrenched belief that a Harvard or the Academy creates a certain caste through the industry, that is structural, then how or why is the last category, that of disability not included in your writing? For the thinking about thinking, what really is happening also through the socio-technical systems, that an engineered world moves to exclude? The financing of debt, to shape ecologies that might even be heterarchical that morph to hierarchical might need to be fleshed out. At one point does the thinking become galvanized to pronounce this way over other ways of seeing, when we must be short of being able to communicate and/or be heard? While realizing value with values? The ethics of a whole city that sits quietly when the tragedies of mental health care is anything but care suggests a need for some serious forms of reparations while realizing that indeed murder has been occurring directly as well as indirectly. And what attorney would take on the case, as they want to win? Do legal rulings affirm a hierarchical form of thinking? In the power relationships agumented with pharma when one searches out care?

  • I wish the question could be asked of Dr. Mate, about the difference in the quantitative statement “They wish to make themselves bigger” as opposed to the qualitative statement, “They wish to make themselves better”. The pace and rhythm the struggle to be alive, is amazing. Though to bring into focus, a different context by which to exist is difficult, when the culture is driven by more, more, MORE?

  • When one is in a position of being confronted by the psychiatrist with a a brain creating a mind that is operating in a manner discovering rich possibilities, how can you suggest an utter shallowness of the psychiatric/DSM worldview? If one perhaps had studied more? Or came into the connectivity/access realized through MAD? The assumption is that the world has beaten a path to this site? All those who figured out how to realize incredible dollars treating problems in part created by the pharma and prescriptions? How long will these economies be given license? Who will speak for those that have forfeited their lives? Where will the financial claims window be? (Predicated on “Never Again?”)

  • The very industry of creating wealth, that is to realize liquidity manufactured and expanded the business of for profit prisons, pharma and the tools by which to realize a certain order, that is imposed upon people. The Uses of Disorder would be written by Richard Sennett, a great teacher, who had hoped to become a violinist. In my journey, to have been drawn into the language of both the ARTS in the Sciences to attempt to understand LIFE, when forced to go back on the meds, triggered an experiment, that was not sanctioned nor understood. In trying to understand my madness and then the collective understanding by which better theories can be advanced, even within the language of psychology/psychiatry, from an economical fashion, means less words, better writing. To communicate, when one is made to be an island, due to the attitudes of bankers, business, even religious leaders, a community, then where is the loss occurring of each letter being typed does not reflect the resources vested? Discovered an incredible book, The Lords of Easy Money: How the Federal Reserve Broke the American Economy. By Christopher Leonard. I would suggest a reading by all viewers, staff and c/s/x for to realize a better response, and understanding where the adjustment needs to occur perhaps is within all of us. But without access to knowledge we will perish, as many have. See this reference from the book:

  • Just returned to the library a child’s book, My Body? What about the Mind, and if the larger community of elected people in governance or business people fearful of having made a mistake, in their decision making process? And if people have been attempting to find a reconciliation through law, and the initial rules and policies that gave agency to those who operate the asylums, then at what point, does the train stop? If economies have been shaped to connect through e-platforms, but now the platform represents one in a huge field, then how will the whole community know and realize the nature of a greater injustice, if the group is being framed by a certain language that is unique to the causality of the problem?

  • Much of the discourse is across the spectrum of disciplines, though if our perceived discourse functions (?) or not under the rule of law, then where are the legal scholars and practitioners operating to realize the justice? Seems as if verdicts emerge from a constant rebalancing of the prevailing mind of the legal system. To realize a cogent legal response seemingly needs more than an ear to hear, rather the volume and along with the nature by which our efforts to heal and have a life are thwarted by the bias and misuse of power, in and outside of politics.

  • What is the form of the parliamentary procedures for conducting meetings of organizations? How do the groups begin to learn group process through some a code? Depending on the tempo, rhythm, tempre of the voices speaking and listening, can convey the group’s process. How to leave the disorder and create order? The abuse Artaud would suffer in his treatment requires greatness of character to engage and explain what the treatments are doing to a creative peoples.

  • Dr. Kelmenson: First I had to look up where Cold Spring was and then Cold Spring Harbor for to ponder the meaning of James Watson and Francis’s Crick’s work along with the earlier funders from the horse racing business. In becoming severely depressed in my first job, after college the challenge to realize a value and values search took me into the midnight hour. In having the situation explained by the Dr. Uncle, the resolution of the problem would occur, but then in following his suggestions, “To Live Like There is No Tomorrow”, the pendulum swung into the space lacking self-control.

    Secondly, I would be curious about the numbers that go along with thermodynamics and those that went with the creation of money and wealth. During this time period, a conflict with Iran was occurring and Felix Rohatyn was working desperately to save New York City from default. And I would write a letter to Norman Cousins regarding the concept of energy. He would write back a letter in response with a comment about leadership.

    Third, the plan and architecture For LIFE seemingly holds a different number flow and orientation towards better human behavior, if we are wanting to witness real recovery in respect to the universal.

    Thus, if you challenge the pursuit of happiness, which now as an artist, the paradox of trying to pursue the vanishing point while invoking the Artist’s Gaze, seems to be an invitation into or beyond, to experience the altered states of reality. There is nothing artificial about this intelligence as some attempt to hijack the thought systems; but would our Declaration have been better if the words conveyed the concept of being happy? To just, BE! Too Just Be Happy!

    Becoming happy may not even need the pursuit, when there are better questions posed by doctors and patients, though there seems to be issues of Power at work, in the scales of relationship when one visits any doctor. How do you sense/create the appropriate response?

  • Richard et al: Have you considered “Exclusive” rather than “Exclusion” within the practice of medicine? Or the orders by which one begins to sense class distinction, arrogance of power? And if one examines the various disciplines accredited through the various agencies, just who or what gives the accreditation to practice the profession of teaching without engaged learning? If you think about it, we are always learning, even when we are being committed, forced into seculusion, strapped down, and doped up. Though the learning of physical/pharma restraint is a question about the signal/signifier to the brain. And the institution of the practice as well as the facility, the building and organizational management is practicing while ignoring what they do not know or want to know. Further, if you go into the Am. Psych Association Parliamentary Rules, in its wisdom reduced the chance for self-reflection by the legislative body. The ebb and flow in rule making needs self-reflexivity, as we, as individuals, too in my opinion. For in the polarities of the experience of the inner collapse into the midnight hour, the darkness of the soul, in contrast to moving towards the other extreme, the rate of the metabolism and release of energy is not as smooth as one would like. Might even look more like the lines reflective of the stock market, the collective expression seen on paper. But what sets us to wondering and asking how and why consciousness relates to other facets of whole? In the language of education, do you train people or does one does one practice educare? And is the learning occurring in a space that is receptive to innovation?

  • We can spend our lives challenging the ethics of manipulation of an individual or an organization. I would ask where is the ethical fund raising, costs accounting appearing in the discourse that reveals the balance sheets and the methodologies by which full recoveries of the individuals and organizations can be shown. Can anyone describe the currency of mental health? (And not as AI)

  • Who wrote the lead in to the Article referenced from New Stateman? For the very prejudice and destruction held by the eugenicists of earlier times was conveyed in the reference and questioning of DeGaulle’s humanity to realize love for a daughter. Could the living architecture on Ash Wednesday along with the other days of the year, bring to the surface, that instead of ashes realized from wood, that the particles of light, the structure of research that reveals more deeply exactly what we are made of and not mad from, is indeed a way to recover? Do We, having experienced or witnessed the deaths that occur inside mental hospitals, the abuse require us to file for office, just to show We even have the rights to not only vote, but also file for public office and refuse the public money, the PAC monies? For the funds seemingly are being laundered through the legal framework of real estate, trusts and so forth. Just because an entity of nature’s neural network fires off at different speeds, an awareness at this level seemingly calls for better questions to be asked. And Histories to be rewritten, though caution needs to be exercised in the update to realize better scholarship (cite and write) with the facts.

  • I have read the book and the title in itself, is one that sets the stage for the challenge, to love Humankind when one’s existence can be in the scales of probabilities. I was intrigued, perhaps in the context of what is happening now at the international level but also wondering how the culture of different countries shapes the tuning of one’s ability to see. And I mean really “see” having just finished a viewing of the documentary about Dorothea Lang: Grab a hunk of lightning. see: I would borrow the doc through my local library and the difference between the creativity is really I think non-existent. The challenge it seems to me is having the virtuosity of being able to modulate between the world of imposed madness and then realize the appropriate space within by which one’s values and values can be intact as we tune ourselves to the creative expression. Your book accomplishes this feat. I would mark the pages the on 47 – 55 where the effort even took the storyline into the physicality of seeing the notes. So, I would ask you in your sense of knowing space, if one senses the capacity within self as well as the collective, if We have the strength to tune the world? As a kinder human? Or do these thoughts only fall on deaf ears? (I think you would enjoy the commentary and artistry of the documentary about Lange, though the extent and degree the electronics of modernity seems to draw us into typing, filling, responding through the medium, when the potential for authentic dialogue is clipped by the box.)

  • In working on our plan for the Advocates Taking Action Against Mental Illness in Kentucky, the emergent new terminology was to realize outcomes for in order to receive funding. To measure gains and/or show the progress of the developing organization, the phrasing for outcomes measurements for the organization would have to be realized in order to receive funding. And in taking the seminar with W. Edwards Deming, when I stood up to ask him about how to measure improvement in a mental hospital which is definitely different from realizing a representative form of democracy through a legitimate 501.C3, his reply was to either mark up or down once a day improvement with a + or minus -. (Then tally the markings over time). Obviously, at some point, the individual also is trying to understand am I getting better or worse.
    How does one do this when life is a verb while becoming aware of one’s unique gifts?

    The challenge to connect as an individual and within an organization across the state and provide input, represent and work towards a more insightful populace into our health required a certain level of commitment. That would occur within the organization and individuals though it seems after I would realize my time in the organization and a few turnovers, the organization would be undermined by the “outcomes” of a regional community mental health care system from a different part of the state and so called “professionals”.

  • Hi Ekatarina, now rec’d Elena. And I wonder how culture shapes the investigation? For while attending the Little Rock Central High, ’67-’70, would play in the pit orchestra for a production of “Stop the World, I Want to Get Off”. The problem we begin to think is one of “being out of the community”, the beloved community, to experience a real social disassociation. But one is challenged to ask is there a break in the law or is a more truthful reality that law is fragmented. The currency of thinking creatively, to awaken to the edge and beyond, seemingly in my way of thinking and I suspect others, too, that those made arrogant in the acquisition of dollars, without ethics and can one say morals, seemingly are becoming more at risk. To pedal this stuff and the images that go with “corrupted powers” and the cries of discrimination (it does happen, even to us, as c/s/x) warrants an effort to file for office. To think one has to spend money, raise money is another question. Governance of public systems, the necessity to bring truths forward requires that we show, teach and share with others the steps necessary. I have not left this world nor the thinking about the matter of Matter or Nature, though the reality(s) sure can be strange when one decides to run for a political office. Are you leaving out the computer as part of the problem, the speed in which the tech transmits neural synapses firing? Across cultures? Creatively in a manner that raises questions about the issues? See:

  • Nice article, Liam! Am intrigued to ask you how you process the non-dominant and submissive for lack of a better word(s). For while I, too would major in Biology and have a class with a few psychology classes that reinforced Skinner’s belief, the real lessons began when I attempted to work in a bank while applying to Georgia’s Ecology School led by Odom.

    My family doctor who was my Uncle would discourage the effort along with family. The search for values and value while working in a bank became a window into the speed of numbers, computers and thermodynamics and depression.

    Financial numbers are not the same as physics and the strange reality(s) of strange attractors. The darkness of the midnight hour, the questioning of knowing something is wrong and the gradual erosion of the self becomes consumed with identity and self-worth. Fortunately, I would have an Uncle (who I could talk with) realized I needed to have a talk with the Dr. Uncle who would then proceed to explain patiently what was happening. Being in that room that Saturday morning at the Missouri Pacific Hospital still is an image that really became the turning point to go and follow the words of advice, “Live like there is no tomorrow”. Which in due time, there were no brakes on this engine.

    Not until working the copying cameras in the History of Science Collection at OU while starting the MA in City Planning would I be given an article by one Jose Alfredo Bach, whose father had sent him the copy of Chemical and Engineering News. See: The Social Thermodynamics of Ilya Prigogine in Chemical and Engineering News, April, ’79 written by Wil Leopowski. And as such because of your last name, I wonder as to your musical abilities? You might also enjoy a reading of Godel, Escher and Bach. An early intro into computer coding, if not the artistry of Escher!

    When the engineer oriented director of the planning program told me not to study this, then I would apply to the University of Waterloo. Harry Coblentz who would edit Environments and serve as the founding of the School of Regional and Resource Planning in the Faculty of Environmental Science was a teacher’s teacher. He served also as the first planning director for the City of Phoenix which in creating the first school in North America to integrate ecology with city planning was ? a phenomenal expression of that time?

    I could not be dispatched into remote areas for being on Lithium and when I attempted to work off the meds, the choice of no meds was over ridden by the doctor(s).

    I share this with you and readers because I believe our history is important, the way we learn is important and our ecology(s) is extremely important. And even stranger, though discounted by many scientist types, the Arts feed and liberate the imagination, equal to or beyond the limitations of statistical analytics. Hence, could the challenge be to work/play smarter than harder?

    And if one’s spirit is young, LOL there is no telling what your dreamscape will reveal. I will wish you and all the readers/staff who might be mad at America or mad in America that a dear friend or someone will emerge to realize a celebration of sorts for the potential to recover and transcend the trauma. For life is short, but an incredible space to afford inward and outward seeing while learning how to be centered… and hopefully increasingly at Peace!

  • If you live in Seattle or the concentration of Microsoft types, along with the wealth if one is an extension of the computing industry, does one experience a more layered understanding of mind, singular and collectively? Both a gift and perhaps even an orientation towards attitude, the space now attributed to the new buzz of trauma that grew from Gabor Mate’s work, one is challenged to understand the nature of the port city in Vancouever, the harbor for immigration and when people wish escape, via the drugs, was that a choice or an abdication of responsibility? To calculate the costs of lives, careers, marriages lost to “seasick”, the tilting and shifting of the mind’s cargo needs a bit of rest, an ability to maybe just be? The homeless are houseless, and in part may be a result of learning how to “speak” through computerized systems while having difficulty to create a legit currency. Something is grossly attached to “being in this space capsule” and then that of Bezos, Musk, or Branson’s escapes into pushing the engineers to realize precision monies while ignoring the pollution.

  • I would write to Dershowitz years ago trying to realize appropriate representation for the discrimination issues I would be facing in Louisville, Ky. I would also write to Bandy Lee upon reading of her challenges. In addition, knowing of some students at Yale and the student newspaper I would write while trying to convey the plight of the mental health treatment issue. And several years ago, when P&A was having their conference in New Haven, I was trying to calucalate my costs to that event along with a visit to the Broad Institute’s conference on mental health. But in the end, my costs would be too much and I did not travel. So, my question is one of knowing the change in the chemistry of one’s body, that affords the gifts of knowing one is alive independent of the so called new therapies. The challenge to renew and hear more carefully what one is thinking while listening can be difficult when one has learned how to communicate through the fingers and remain silent. But the technology is not the human. To understand if one has an ounce of curiosity and willingness to change, particularly for Men as described by bell hooks, seemingly affords a window into the travesties created by a patriarchal orientation in the West. Having visited the city, county and the monument to Jefferson Davis along with a site visit to Western State Hospital in Kentucky and also knowing of Berea College, there seems to be value in being outside of New Haven for experiential learning.

    Finally, to look at the image created for the article do you see the network of hierarchy that also goes with teaching morse code or the structure behind rhizomic formation or root development. But where is the canopy or the blossoming of knowledge creation in the space between therapist and client?

  • I would like to come back to your article. The title creates 3 questions that you and Mad In America might help with:

    1. Please elaborate on the pace by which the the “social determinants” are created uniformly? Along with the social indeterminates in the process of an individual and then the fealty of the individual to an organization such as the APA? (Did Bandy Lee just explain this regarding Dershowitz and the Yale School of Psychiatry? I was getting a bit lost when or if she quit practicing, but something did not sit well with her as she discovered the pharma industry was pushing too many pills).

    2. Can an understanding for the long term and short term capital gains be understood by the customer of mental health services? (How to learn this and what it means to oneself and the practitioners and corporate revenue statements of for and non-profits might shake loose a new currency).

    3. How were you able to discern the organizational mind of the APA being or becoming driven more by the financial gain to the detriment of better research? (If the thinking is recorded in the By-laws and minutes, then where or when does the legal drive the process and in whose scales of justice are the attorney’s working?)

  • Maybe the impairment is in the LAW, itself? But does that bring a self into the LAW? As something that is alive? (In other words, too in reading of the work realized by the Senator from Arkansas Bumpers and friend Clinton, was something created by the lawyers in Silicon Valley that just pushed the conceptual on paper infinitely forward, thereby creating currency? Thereby challenging people to learn how to manage capital gains and losses. Who says We are not Knowledge Creating People of Incredible Worth? Just seems to be that even the government, not the people that work inside the layers of government just might have created a killing machine, that they do not wish to atone for? Or what? I am told the Truth will set one free. But we will not know until the issues are made public, and if one is so inclined, might consider even running for office. (That one can be real about).

  • Sorry, for I erred in attempting to post a wonderful article about Casals. See:

    There is also a classic article about the Brelands who operated the IQ Zoo in Hot Springs, Arkansas. They were students of Skinner, that suggests Behaviorism would be answer if one thinks of human as a machine to be conditioned. In the inhumanity of institutionalized behaviorism, the maltreatment and mistreatment that occurs will at some point address the concerns we are sharing. Would like to learn more of the interest in music? For your book and title seem to explore your extraordinary creativity.

  • What is hiding indeed behind the term ‘mental illness’? What does it involve precisely? Well, no one knows, and therefore, people have the right to remain frightened and on guard.

    How can you make the statement, “Well, no one knows….” for there is an individual writing this response to an individual who wrote the essay for MadinAmerica. How and why does one begin to be authorized to speak for the “We”?

    Are you a musician, too? Would be reminded of Pablo Casals, then pulled out the Karsh Portofolio, where the image and story of the photo session conveyed something special that transcends a situation. From a reading of what was Brain Pickins the writer renamed her site to the marginalian conveys a scan into thinking.

    To create a different framework, am reminded of the time the concept of Gesamtkuntswerk may not be lost though rather a visit with new eyes such as ours?

    To search out while realizing the creative moment, particularly heightened from a reading of Pablo Casals Joys and Sorrows in a simple narrative conveys his experience also along with his response to the oppressive nature of some governments and their institutions.

    Thank you for the insightful essay. I hope to read your book.

  • Ed, Steve and others:
    The idea may be simpler though to have clarity of thought for flash forward, backward and even in the Now poses some health risks to the clarity of thinking. The vibrancy of colors on line is different from standing before art in museum or gallery. The values and valuation though that create an economy that is destructive to self and others, even collectively though remains in and of question. And when one is punished for speaking up to address some degree of injustice, then what recourse is there?

  • How does one reconcile the flashbacks with and/or without drugs? The brain seemingly is creating responses as described by many on this site in response to escalations of verbal, physical and sexual abuse, either knowingly and/or unknowingly with limited ways out of this nightmare. What is required for a better recovery and economy, which affirms our existence as global citizens?

  • Tina: Just because you make the declarative sentence that my reply was not pertinent to your comment, does not invalidate the relevance to my efforts to make, to type a comment that is in silence rather than the oral tradition required in the practice of law. Ruby starts off by stating “This will be controversial, as I am going to argue against the idea that mental disorder is a disability”. In spending the time, and allowing the article to percolate within my evolving thinking, I wonder if the effort was to create only an argument, to weigh in on argument being placed in the scales of justice?

    To write a paper for the academy, to write a brief (which is difficult for me, in a logic that can border irrationality) or even spend time writing in to post a comment, requires of me an effort in the awe of trying to connect with what, the machine, the invisible audience where after a night’s rest the collective intelligence of society has advanced?

    You are spending a life fighting the good fight, that has been tempered by an injustice that seemingly is a dark, deep hole. I think I too have tracked on a parallel track, having worked my way through graduate school in Regional and Resource Planning while being forced to take the lithium. Time would also be spent writing an article titled “Creating the Dis-City” for the Disability Rag as an effort to address the socio-political nature of the designed space we live in that for most occurs under the jurisdiction of laws.

    Just as one frames a house in the building process, in order to realize a case or a project, does the thinking that accompanies the creation of policy require framing? One that is tight, to the point written from within the humanities trying to create a response to the practice that in psychiatry is showing major issues in methodologies for lack of proper and appropriate experiments? And who is and has been experimented on in the practice, the Art of medical care? Which can be incredibly different from the clinical trials staged with varying degrees of integrity? And then in practice, practice, practice?

    Ruby made reference to the socio-political but not the economics by which the psychiatric oppression is operating.

    Further, where is the definition for “the medical model” in the DSM or CRPD, terms not first spelled out in writing for the audience. For the held beliefs and validity of a model, a large scale model as dealt with within the framework for the United Nations and impacts may be or can trigger even further abuses of Power.

    In trying to weigh in with a better degree of clarity, I hope this effort is not received as impertinent matter, but rather a better effort that suggests exploration. For there are issues of scaling, the verb by which our visual eye and inner eye adjusts the relationships which is in part a gift that we have.

    Seemingly, are there cases, examples surfacing to take to the United Nations that will and can address the different sort of thinking Ruby alludes to? And yet, as we know, to be or become an outlier while retaining the courage to question authority(s) requires entering the unknown space within orders and ways of knowing reality? And can the practice of law create the language that embraces the difference while affording and affirming life rather than deaths that have occurred indirectly when the wrestling with these questions collapses our inner self and selves?

    Thank you for your time.

  • While the advancement of laws that shape Rights, to what extent is the design profession even including architects and planners awakening to the shaping of the physical and operational space that is more responsive to the disability presence? When the visiting architect behind the rebuilding of the World Trade Center, in response to my query about green with universal design, his response was, “BS”. Somehow the amount of horsepower going into the expense of creating a better understanding for the challenge that embraces LIFE requires a way forward, that here to date, would give rise to Ed Roberts, Peter Breggin, and countless others to do what We CAN! Take the risk and try an url. All that could happen is an edit or rejection…. a minimal rewrite as we learn the pedagogical horizons of this site.

  • Understanding on a surface level the history of the evolution of how ISEPP from ICSPP is important. For the organizational struggle into the very eytymology is critically important to what we hear as to what we read that is typed. The dis function and dis ability become caught up in an academic dog fight while potentially denying insightful and engaged learning by which the self can become whole. Whether one’s self was led to believe the temporary nature of learning context advanced by old belief systems, then being shunt aside can be a gross violation of civil rights. When elected and civil servants would not address the issue as framed and shown with documentation, from local to federal levels, then can one still file a law suit, or is the challenge one or economic disenfranchisement at the level of mind, not the color of skin? Contrary to your thesis, the “dis” may be akin the gap in the spark plug, that needs to be adjusted along with points. From an artist perspecive, many would like to close the gap in the Sistine Chapel, but then the gap just as the dis as in the stuttering of Moses serves a role.

  • Does the article address the linearity of law, creating law that reflects ACES assuming that deference to the legal department is an experience that shapes the walls We, as citizens have too often experienced. And then one is challenged to ask, the nature of monetizing the law that creates an inflexible line in the sand? At what point do those in the marginalized groups have concern for those having concern for those in the marginalized groups? Is this context similar to what Dietrich Bonhoeffer would realize in his discernment of reality?

  • Is the article dis-empowering, DIS-empowering, or dis-Empowering for the reader, Sears, McCrea, staff and readers? Or, in the complexities of thinking, bringing into existence some questions, being shaped by the past, in the operation of the brain, perhaps even the algorithms that are of conscious, is there some shred of empowering discourse? Or by definition, does the effort release the trauma? To what extent do Doctors argue with the clients, by culture or just ignore and control? And do doctors have families, where the family might influence the prevailing commentary of the day/moment, perhaps altering the capacity to focus with the client? Yes, there is hypocrisy though is the intentionality and level the same throughout? Finally, how, when and why does the BS detector begin to sense “warning signals”?

  • How could this article be improved? For Sears wrote a summary, based upon his decision-making to date. Where is reference to theory? How to try out and test the hypotheses? Both in the Arts with Sciences? Does one need more and more data, while excluding the role of the algorithms? To include “more” in the exclusion of understanding how the qualities of thought, emergence and complexities of being a human are ignored across the tableau in which we live. In the medical and psychological practices, to attempt to engage the professionals can leave one speechless, if not struggling to type out a few letters that just happen to create some words? Does this effort help or hinder the postings? The reflexivity?

  • Meremortal:
    The college system is not confined to the property or real estate holdings by said institutions. Rather if you check your toolbox, and pull out the level, then address the idea of balance over time through the passage of time. The context of learning and the idea behind Head Start was to challenge the prevailing locked in belief systems. To aggregate opinions and then project into the crowd a belief hopefully will have an awareness for how profound learning occurs, if the gaze is on point? What if one is an outlier? Or the thought, an outlier expression?