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What’s your point?
Never a Frown with Golden Brown.
Isn’t this what they teach in kindergarten? Yes, another German word …
I very much like the adult approach when you introduce drugs.
Expanding the market of neuropsychiatric drugs, is what it’s all about. But can these low-income countries afford them, is the question most bio-psychiatrists are keen to find out.
Why not come clean, and admit biomedical psychiatry is a modern, insidious form of eugenics.
I’m finding that a lot the so-called “biomedical models” are an artefact of the drug treatments.
“Authors make the critical distinction between loneliness and time alone” …
I’m glad they are still able to do that …
“the burgeoning field of global mental health”, Oh dear.
On topic, what I learned about “community mental health services” (I assume peer support is part of that) is that they try to scare you into being med-compliant, while telling you at the same time how corrupt the system (they are a part of) is. They don’t live up to any of their promises with REAL things, like help with housing, finances etc. The most useless bunch I ever came across. I gave up on them after some months.
I don’t wish to be off-topic, but I was wondering about Will’s “Maastricht Antipsychotic World Survey”. I believe it started around the beginning of 2018. You can join a mailing list if you want to be informed of the survey results, which I did, but have no idea how to access the results. Are they publicly available anywhere?
“We know a lot, but we’ve not been able to apply it.”
Yes, of-course, the age-old excuse / problem. Have a look at the mid to late 19th / early 20th century, you will find that recovery was much more common than today. Any statistic you can mention, it’s worse today. Unless transforming into a vegetable is somehow an improvement …
“too much school …”. It’s more accurately described as “excessive synaptic pruning during the schooling phase”.
This is the song they play for psychiatrists at their graduation ceremony:
It’s called “riding the gravy train (with an exceptionally evil twist)”.
I confide in Alfred (sometimes) … although I pay for his keep.
Lies, damn lies, and lying statisticians …
“It’s very, very difficult to identify long-term effects of the drug…There are a lot of epidemiological studies that get done, these have become very popular, but they’re also in general very bad.”
Yes, some of the larger and more prominent ones tend to show the opposite of reality. Take the Fin11 study (and most similar studies from Scandinavia). If they find a relative risk (RR) of 0,8 for those on antipsychotic treatment vs. those not on them, but they leave out 2/3 of fatalities in the drug group, you could just say the study had a bad design and completely ignore it and move on. However, if you include the > 60% left out (improving the study design), you go from a RR of 0,8 to a RR > 2,0. Imagine that …
He’s also compared Soviet Russia to Secular Humanism …
The power that psychology wishes to (re) gain, in challenging the diagnostic method of psychiatry, is just that, a power struggle.
They are (essentially) competitors in the same market.
WiFi (which affects EEG) seems to trigger an oxidative-stress type response (heightened anxiety). I’m going back to my underground cave to collect my thoughts …
“The Power Threat Meaning Framework for considering emotional suffering could offer an infinitely more hopeful and respectful way of responding to eating distress than the traditional illness narrative imposed by psychiatry.”
If someone was selling a product, and stated it was (possibly) “infinitely” better than the competition, what would your first reaction (thought) be?
“I further believe OBEs within the healthy population, where there is no history of clinical pathology, should be fully respected by society and treated as non- pathological.”
Are you including DSM diagnoses when you say “clinical pathology”? As far as I know, there are no clinical tests for “psychosis”. Or are you saying OBEs are only valid (and therefore should be respected) for people who have never had any clinically diagnosable disease?
Getting a label like schizophrenia is a form of divination, it’s a prognostic label, nothing else. Being prescribed antipsychotics for life just enforces chronicity, they also protect the professional credibility of the diagnostic system and the psychiatrist.
I’m not really interested in “divorce court”.
As Peterson would say, “it depends on your definition of right-wing”. Most likely he will “spin” his ordeal in such a way so as to do the least harm to his brand.
Thanks for the article. Psychiatry is threatened simple because their only area of expertise is prescribing neuroleptics and “managing” side-effects with more drugs. Psychology is threatened because they believe(d) they know (knew) it all already.
Rapid detox from benzos is also done outside Russia (including the US). But usually only advisable as a last resort, from what I read online.
There’s also the case of Stevie Nicks who took clonazepam for 8 years. But, Peterson’s case is described as a rare (?) allergic (?) reaction. The message seems to be different in his case … he’s promoted SSRI’s and NDRI’s in the past …
I think the secret to being mindful is to, above all, not take anything too seriously. When it comes to psychiatry and psychology, my advice is for them to learn a new trade …
Alan Watts has a good method:
The best guide on “meditation” I’ve found, is from Alan Watts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPpUNAFHgxM
“KiR” is short for “Keeping it Real” …
Chewed up and spat out …
It clearly states in Romans 13:
“Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.”
Whichever “peanut” get’s elected, remember what the bible says (a similar passage is also in Hebrews). Some of the passages shouldn’t be taken literally (and may well be included for self preservation), neither should the presidential elections be seen as somehow a democratic process.
Here’s the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YCl3ni099o
Zoloft is not an antipsychotic …
Donny, it’s on Youtube, do you want the link? It seems if I post the link, my post disappears.
Banned from Google and Youtube, huh?
I just found it on Youtube, how do you explain that?
It’s a second hand emotion. No place for that if you’re practicing law.
The devil’s footsteps, that sort of says it all. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t you get higher quality legal representation if you have more resources?
“So Jim Gottstein is a survivor, huh? That’s pretty significant.”
In some sense, you could argue it’s significance, I suppose. It makes it hard, though (at least for me), if you listen to his own account of what happened to him at 29 (manic and sleep deprived “psychosis” where he heard the devil’s footsteps approaching the bedroom where he was, then was taken to hospital while in escape mode wearing only underpants). It seems a doctor (maybe a psychiatrist) took pity on him and let him go, assuring him that anyone (even Harvard graduates) who are sleep deprived, can go psychotic.
I have to disagree with you. Having a roof over your head, a bed and food, when your family has ostracized you, is preferable to living on the street, especially in winter. If you look at the 19th century, most people were out of the asylums within a year or two after experiencing a bout of “insanity”.
With psychotropics, lying psychiatrists and outpatient treatment, your chance of a “normal” life are much worse today.
I apologize if I come across in an angry tone, but in my view the blame should lie with the prescribers, whether it be psychiatrists or gp’s.
You can run, but you can’t hide … why would I want to buy his book if I already know what Zyprexa does first hand? A book written by a lawyer with a lawyers brain. Answer me that …
“But as he poignantly notes, Zyprexa “is still being used on hundreds of thousands of people, including being forced on many. The same is true of the other neuroleptics.”
You don’t say … it’s interesting he uses the brand name, and not the generic olanzapine… there’s no money to be made in attacking the producers of generic zyprexa. Ask any lawyer.
“the same is true for other neuroleptics”, gosh, I thought it was only Eli Lilly (Lillith).
Wasn’t Paula Caplan in the DSM IV task force?
“RCTs often only show the efficacy of a treatment for the average patient without considering the individual clinical presentations of different patients.”
It’s slightly worse than that, RCT’s compare “addicts” or “dependents” in withdrawal with some other drug with essentially the same active components. The simple truth about the purported efficacy of antipsychotics is dopamine D2 blockade, that’s it. There’s nothing average about someone experiencing withdrawal from a dopamine blocker. I’m being generous, by leaving out the withdrawal effects of all the other chemicals that were being blocked …
Meta-analysis are just a collection flawed and biased RCT’s …
Yes, it’s generally accepted that someone goes to the doctor AFTER the first signs of not feeling well begin to manifest …
Steve “quickdraw”, why, when I post something in the comment section here on MiA, if I include one or more links, quite often the page refreshes, and the post disappears? I’m certain there is a script somewhere which deals with comments, that causes this. Could you clarify?
I’m wondering, since you say by 2025, you won’t be needed anymore, which seems very optimistic, I had a look at the website, thencenter.org, which was first registered in June 2017. 2 1/2 years ago. Then I looked at the “core concepts” page:
It seems, of the 6 core concept rectangles, only the preface rectangle is clickable.
A work in proogress?
I’m wondering what buffering means here.
“the tipping point for physiologic change leading to dis-ease begins in the brain in response to insufficiently buffered adverse client experience prior to presentation.”
I’m sure someone can explain what this means …
“At risk for future criminal justice involvement” … like selling marijuana. Two strikes and your out …
Most Western countries, in the 19th century, viewed asylums as a respite. Like recovery from pneumonia. Today, with biological psychiatry, it’s much worse. Now, your confronted with tardive dyskinesia, tardive dysmentia, tardive psychosis, tardive dysphoria.
Another interesting fact, with regard to asylums, is that the total number incarcerated in any one year, was about 0.3% to 0.4% of the population (for whatever reason). If, today, 1% is estimated to suffer from the most severe, chronic and debilitating form of mental illness, schizophrenia, it really begs the question …
Drapetomania was a conjectural mental illness that, in 1851, American physician Samuel A. Cartwright hypothesized as the cause of enslaved Africans fleeing captivity.
I wasn’t aware that the predominant view today is black-and-white. Either all good or all bad with regard to asylums. No-one I’ve ever met, at least. I’m quite sure these kinds of (false) assertions are just plucked out of thin air … makes for a nice article, though, I suppose … begs gullibility … I suppose if you were (temporarily) incarcerated in an institution led by academics with the mindset of Pavlov, your in for a rough ride …
“defiant behavior …” according to who’s definition?
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
I’m sure the very small proportion of humanity that have the most influence have nothing to do with our current challenges …
I suggest we change it to “antidepressant retirement syndrome” …
Most prescribers, if you ask them, wont even be able to distinguish abstinence from withdrawal.
Withdrawal is a much longer process and has to do with neurotransmitter up- and down-regulation caused by the long-term use of these types of drugs.
Withdrawal from the dirty drugs they call atypicals is a hellish process because of the myriad brain adaptations these drugs provoke …
It’s not just being kept alive, it’s growing. Like any parasite would do.
“akathisia can lead to violence, self harm and / or suicide”
Just simplify it, and say “self harm and suicide” …
So, it is being suggested that, for example, if you object to being chemically poisoned to death, it’s actually seen as normal by society at large, so a deeper insight is required from the recipient of said toxin.
It’s worse today then when you entered the system. It’s better hidden now. Remission is defined as apathy. And the chronicity has increased by quite a lot.
Psychiatry, poverty and trauma are not the only factors. Sometimes, the fear of the consequences (getting caught) of past behavior can be a factor …
They have clozapine as a last resort. According to the prevailing theory (technically only a hypothesis), dopamine D2 blockage is essential to keeping psychosis at bay. If your treatment resistent, clozapine seems to work the best, even though it blocks dopamine much less aggressively than any other antipsychotic … another unexplained paradox …
“I think in the Bible, it says that ‘the poor we will have with us always,’ it is just everyone does not have to be poor their whole lives”.
Everyone doesn’t have to be poor all the time? Very insightful … i’m wondering who she is referring to when saying “everyone”? Is there a “we” and a “them”?
Semmelweis comes to mind as an early example.
In the drug trials submitted to the FDA for zyprexa, it seems that, of those who stayed in the trial, almost 1 in 200 successfully committed suicide, failed attempts were not disclosed. 2/3 abandoned the trial due to intolerable side-effects. Makes you wonder … in some countries it’s still the drug of choice to treat psychosis … it also makes you wonder why, after the shrink fills the prescription, or before, you’re lectured about the so-called chronic brain disease you have …
Most scientific research today is not repeatable. Which means it’s trash. Asking MiA to make a difference (to the degree you suggest) is really not within the realm of possibility. Your best bet, if you have an ailment, is to do your own research. It’s essentially what Thomas Szasz was saying. “If you want a lobotomy, have a lobotomy”. Liberty …
There’s one interesting data-point, the half-life of Lumateperone (similar to clozapine) is advertised at being 13 hours. Olanzapine is almost 3 times that (33 to 51 in the elderly). It would account for the less side-effects reported. It get’s out of the system faster. (Unless you give it multiple times per 24 hours).
Yes, the band.
Yes, they are dangerous. I was on klonopin for 8 years (without really knowing what it was at the time, and how it effected me). I did stop cold-turkey, had several epileptic fits and anxiety (I’m assuming it was from the sudden klonopin abstinence). Coming off an atypical antipsychotic, though, is much harder, (in my opinion).
Also, with a benzo, if you tell your doctor you wish to quite, they will most likely help you without much reserve. Not the case with an ap.
No one is court-ordered to take it. That’s where the power lies.
The only psychiatric drug that can be administered by force is an antipsychotic.
Klonopin (clonazepam) is not a powerful psychiatric drug. There’s much worse drugs …
To disconnect is a necessity of modern (advanced) culture.
Yes, they block dopamine signalling. It means it’s easier for the psychiatrist to drive you slowly crazy. Most modern AP’s block as many as 20 chemicals in the brain. Drug-induced mental retardation … the paradox of biological psychiatry …
Well, only a failure if improved outcome for the patient is what’s intended (and not more revenue). If it’s mainly a con-game, which it is, then it was quite successful. We live and learn.
Imagine studying to be a psychiatrist and half-way through you discover your being educated just to poison the most vulnerable people in society. With all the student debt that’s piled up, I can imagine most just shrug and accept their new reality … knowing they were conned as well …
Withdrawal symptoms? They only last a few weeks (so they keep telling us). I think they mean abstinence symptoms.
If your on a dopamine blocking agent, the baseline stress is higher (biologically). If you falter, the screws get tightened further through a higher dose. It shouldn’t come as a surprise up to 50% or more attempt suicide at least once.
Dopamine agents are almost all generic now, so it’s promoted now only by psychiatry to save face, unable to admit the experiment was a dismal failure.
“I want to be near you, and you need to be far away …” (OMD – Forever live and die)
So, to conclude, yes there are. But it doesn’t last. Long-term (whatever that means) it’s not a good idea.
Jordan Peterson (the Canadian teacher who was threatening to go on a hunger strike because of pro-nouns) swears by SSRI’s (in combination with Wellbutrin). Could it be that he is so volatile (or dull?) (emotionally) that increasing serotonin in his brain (until the brain compensates, which it eventually does) is like a vision of god? He does have 4 full-time jobs. That’s a 32 hour working day …
Just try it man, what have you got to lose? So says the drug dealer.
“The researchers found that, after controlling for demographic variables and mental health history, any relationship between the PBI, CTQ-SF, or PAM scales and PLEs vanished once the OIS was included in the regression analysis.”
So, if your father, uncle and grandfather, all raped you, the significance vanishes once OIS is included in the regression analysis.
Wonderful. Freud would love this. All “false” memories.
The study, though, has some limitations. The subjects were never traumatized. And never experienced real “psychosis”.
Freud was “traumatized” by his peers (his livelyhood was in jeopardy), then he got smart and made everything up after that.