Sunday, May 28, 2017

Comments by pencilect

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  • I have heard some people say they were clinically depressed but no one could tell. In other words they had no “symptoms”. But they took a survey and found out they needed antidepressants. How is this possible?
    Well, that’s how Psychiatry works. It is all a matter of descriptions of feelings and then a match game to get the drug cocktail just right. I just read another person who said it “took the doctors three years to get the medications right”.
    This is nonsense. After three years, who knows why she was alright. She might have been healthy after three years anyway, without any so called “medications”, which will shorten her life, among other things.
    The Princess seems to be doing quite well with her drugs and doctor visits.
    But like it or not, drugs catch up with you and cause liver, kidney, thyroid, and all sorts of other biological problems. Just because shrinks believe the brain is abnormal doesn’t mean a damaged brain is the only effect.
    I also don’t understand why some people show up on MIA and then get their bipolar feelings hurt when they express opinions that are pro labels, pro drugs, and with obvious Kool-Aide drinking behaviors.
    If only Princess would get off drugs, maybe she isn’t “mentally ill” at all.

  • Excellent article, Philip.
    When I first read the book Mad in America, I took it to my psychiatrist and wanted him to read it. I was excited about it and somehow thought he would greet it with open arms and change his ways. By the time I read Anatomy of an Epidemic I had wised up and knew it was pointless to try to get any entrenched psychiatrist to even consider having his mind opened.
    Dr Gold seems to be very naive. Being admitted to a psych unit is demoralizing and dehumanizing, and that is the intent. It is like being sent to prison for something you didn’t do without due process. She calls that “scary”. I can see her becoming more stubborn and resistant in the future, burning out early and then just becoming a mediocre, status quo, 15 minute appointment shrink like all the rest.
    She is also arrogant and engaging in a power struggle where she always wins, because when a “patient” screams at her or attacks her physically, she is still the one with the good salary and title and the “patient” is the one wearing a gown and begging staff to make a phone call.
    The most offensive sentence in her article was I. COMPLETELY. GET. IT.
    OH. NO. YOU. DON’T.
    Because if you did, you wouldn’t be a psychiatrist in training. You would be doing something more worthwhile with your MD degree. You would choose a specialty based on real science and helping cure real illnesses and relieve suffering instead of causing it.
    Obviously, Dr Gold has no insight into her own behavior and the delusion that psychiatry is scientific and not a hoax.
    This is “for your own good”, Dr Gold: Don’t sell out.
    Too late. You already have.

  • Julie Greene, that sounds like a NAMI meeting. Some people call it NAMI dearest because it is always an “adult child” who is sitting there all drugged and drooling with no job and no hope for the future.
    Yet the parent will defend the drugged state saying how much “better” the adult child is on drugs, even if they gain 100 pounds and just sleep and watch tv all day.
    They get disability, but it isn’t enough to be independent or live on their own. I believe these parents want the “child” to stay a child.
    These are the hardest people to crack with truth, having sold out to the Big Rx.
    As I say now, the farther I get from psychiatry the better I feel.

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  • When I think about how I entered the psychiatric system, I consider it more of a trap or a kind of machine. The kind with big gears that turn and destroy you and make you feel hopeless and mostly, no longer human.
    When I took the book Mad in America to my psychiatrist’s visit back in 2005, I naively thought he would say something like, “wow! This is horrible! I need to find another job because I don’t want any part of this!” Of course I only had fifteen minutes to share what I experienced as a life changing eye opening book.

    That doctor moved away before I read Toxic Psychiatry and Anatomy of an Epidemic, which was when I took action on my own to get out the psychiatric mangler and get off of the drugs.
    I tapered on my own. I had to lie to the doctor to get the prescriptions, and then did the tapering with the help of websites, such as benzobuddies.org.
    Then I cut out the psychiatrist and had tapered so low that my primary care doc wrote the Rx’s. For years I had thought I “had to comply” with the psychiatrist. That is part of the machine apparently, because I was never forced. The threats to my wellbeing were more subtle. ( it was also before I had a good understanding of withdrawal, but, who did?) As my mind and thinking cleared up, I realized the therapist wasn’t that much help. In fact, since I was not truthful to him about my “meds” either, it was not very ethical on my part to keep seeing him.

    I have a problem with substituting supplements for psychiatric drugs. I think that just continues the fallacy that there is an “imbalance” of some sort, and it is nearly as hazy as the neurotransmitter imbalance theory of psychiatry. I have said before that even a “placebo effect” is still a medicalizing of the person ‘s situation.

    If a thorough work up is done before dispensing supplements, hormones would be important, but sleep is probably THE biggest problem for people in distress. In my case, sleep deprivation seemed to make dreams bleed into waking hours and cause confusion. I was desperate for sleep, and thus got caught in the trap.

    I really like the idea of psychiatrists learning how to professionally undo all the damage they have done to people by helping them detox and get off drugs. I don’t know any psychiatrists with the guts to even admit they’ve been living a lie and perpetuating a hoax, but if there are any, that would be a start to dismantle the deadly machine that is “the psychiatric system”.

  • I became caught in the psychiatric trap at age 18, partially due to a priest who believed in the biological medical model.
    While I was not forcibly drugged or given ECT, there was definitely coercion and threats which used my paranoia to their advantage.
    There were many other patients who had some type of religious experience (delusion, to the Doctors) and patients who believed they were in Hell.
    The problem was that the doctors for the most part, were atheists so everything we said was just so much tripe to them. Jesus, spirits, Devils, Angels, dead people, and aliens were all alike, just psychotic ramblings caused by those infamous brain chemicals that somehow had gotten out of whack.
    Drugs and ECT did nothing for me, but I went along with their idea of what “being well” was. It came at great sacrifice to me though, and the whole experience set me back tremendously in my emotional, intellectual, and spiritual life.
    I came to see psychiatry as a religion of sorts, with its power structure, its “bible” the DSM, its system of beliefs that one must accept completely or be excommunicated, (thrown to the lions, so to speak?) a sacrificial element, and a kind of “salvation” through faith in the false god of psychiatry.
    I am thankful for Peter Breggin and Robert Whitaker’s books without which my eyes would not have been opened and I would never have seen through the hoax that is psychiatry.
    It is a dehumanizing and evil establishment that has ruined lives and made victims of vulnerable people.

    There is hope. Forty years of drugs and brain damaging treatments, as well as “therapy” that kept me at their mercy, has gradually turned around and I have found that there is a loving and faithful God who was there all along.

  • Regarding John Nash as portrayed in the movie A Beautiful Mind, John Nash stated in an interview with 60 Minutes that he took an antidepressant for a week or so, didn’t like how it made him feel, and never took another psychiatric drug, old, or “newer”.

    But the propaganda fit seamlessly into the plot of the movie.

    No drug company can take credit for fixing his beautiful mind and winning a Nobel prize.

  • Someone Else,
    So many people see science and faith as opposites, while I believe they go together. I also consider myself both spiritual and religious.
    The psychiatrists who ruined my life many years ago were atheists. Many patients “had religious delusions” in the place I was in. They didn’t necessarily seem to be delusions to me, except one guy who would strip off his clothes and claim to be Christ. They seemed to be people who were searching for answers and while trying to find answers in religion, became superstitious, scrupulous, and obsessed with God and the devil.
    It was a conflict because the atheist doctors insisted that the delusions had to go, and tried to drive them out using ECT and drugs.
    Pencilect

  • Thank you for responding.
    People have faith and trust in psychiatry, they see their psychiatrists as someone who is elevated above all others,I’ve heard numerous people claim that SSRI’s “saved” their lives, and the DSM is often referred to as the psychiatric “Bible”.

    Maybe it is just a literary thing, a use of terminology, or a way to get people who are searching for the answers to life’s questions becoming ensnared in psychiatric treatment that brings this to mind for me.

    That would be the “religious” side of it. The “spiritual” side is where demons and evil enter in. I am thinking that historically, what is now called “mental illness ” was attributed to demons and witchcraft, which are all so antiquated compared to wonder drugs and biology, just as false.

    Psychiatry hasn’t explained or helped in my view, but they have certainly promised a lot to folks who are suffering emotionally and that seems a lot like religion to me. It is as much a religion as Scientology is.

    As for my evil/heinous crimes statement, I do think some people are evil, but our first reaction on hearing of a serial killer, for example is that they are “sick” and “need help”. Really?

  • It is rather interesting that the concepts of demons and evil have entered into this discussion as “religious” constructs. I have often found myself pondering exactly what psychiatry is, since it isn’t a true medical field, and what I’ve concluded is that it is a “religion”: an organized system of beliefs, usually centered around worship of a god, with rituals and behaviors, a cult.
    The “god” being power, money and lies.
    There is a huge element of control over the lives of individuals implied in a top down governance of submissive followers.
    Possession by and fighting demons is an accepted metaphor in our society that has no religious significance.

    Some people are “evil”. Those who commit heinous crimes are simply evil, not possessed by demons, and not “sick”. In fact labeling people who commit horrible crimes as “sick” or mentally ill relieves them of responsibility.

    My quibble with the movement being black and white re: anti psychiatry or anti biological psychiatry is the little “medications do help some people”. That is the foot in the door that got psychiatry where it is today. If you are a psychiatrist and you’re too tired to deal with a new patient because they’re the thirtieth person you’ve seen that day,and you offer them drugs because “they help some people”, you have opened the door to a lifelong membership in this religion.

  • The nursing home has a “captive audience” of people who are anxious, not feeling well and don’t want to be there, but they are not allowed to complain or they are given what used to be called “major tranquilizers”. ( I think we need to bring back that description because it is really what they are.)

    My mother was given haldol in the nursing home and developed tardive dyskinesia pretty quickly. She was miserable and I suspect she was experiencing akathisia also. They also gave her Valium.

    When we tried to talk to the doctor about it, he was always in a rush to get out of there and would just mumble that he knew what she needed.

    My mother was not disruptive or loud. She had had mini-strokes and her speech was almost gone.
    I never understood why they had to increase her mental suffering, and never got an answer.

    This is what psychiatry does, dehumanizes people. Mom was not drugged for her benefit, she was drugged to make the staff have an easier time of it.

    I read the AARP article too and noticed how the emphasis seemed to be on the untrained, underpaid, short staffing problem. THAT IS NOT AN EXCUSE.
    I also noticed that the author refers to this over medicating as “off label”use. Finding “on label” uses is subjective too, in my opinion.

    If you are in a place that is not home, is cold, noisy, has bad food, people taking “care” of you who hate their jobs, and you shed a few tears, you get drugged for being out of control.

    It might as well be death row.

  • This is an example of the lack of logic that plagues psychiatry. For once they have an actual physical reaction to something and they completely miss the point.

    They perform lab experiments on animals to test the drugs.
    All of the “mentally ill” animals have to have “induced” symptoms! They make them depressed by isolation, they take them away from their mothers, they mistreat them into abnormal behavior.they create hyper vigilance by shocking their feet.
    They keep them awake, and we know animals have the same sleep stages we do.

    They also take perfectly healthy animals and tinker with their genes to make them into suitable specimens for their experiments, and then make a backwards conclusion that mental illness is genetic.

    But instead of seeing that depression is caused by isolation and inactivity, psychotic behavior by sleep deprivation and a bad diet, and then simply changing the environment to ease the suffering, they give them a drug. (Animal suffering is not a problem to drug companies)

    Then the animal model is applied to humans without the induction of “symptoms” being factored in.

    I think all “schizophrenia” starts out with sleep deprivation, but it would take time and effort to investigate what is causing the lack of sleep.
    The easy and quick answer is give them a drug. Get them into the system and wreck their minds and sidetrack their lives.

  • This is interesting, and shows more of the arrogance of those who have power over us. The attitude that they know what is best, and “for your own good” that is so ingrained in the psychiatric cult.

    I also was hospitalized in the 1960’s and whenever I tried to get records was told I couldn’t because it be upsetting to read them. Of course it was, most of it was lies and exaggeration or misinterpretation to make me look crazy and fit their diagnosis.

    The tragedy of my experience, in looking back on it, was that I incorporated the label into my identity, and all that goes with it, such as drugs and ECT. Shortly after I got out someone asked me what I did for a living, and I said, “mental patient”. My sister was standing there and she corrected me, “you mean ex-mental patient”. Little things like that helped.

    I finally got my records in the late 1980’s at a cost of about $200 for copies. They actually tried to discourage me based on the expense!

    It was sad to read about an innocent and terrified young woman being treated by complete strangers who didn’t even try to find out what was wrong. The treatments were more terrifying than the so called “illness”. Mostly it was sad to see that they tested my IQ and did other psychological tests that revealed the fear, anxiety, and phobias and then decided on drugs and ECT anyway. They told my parents I would never be well.

    I proved them wrong in many ways, and went on to enjoy a professional career, but there was a lot of damage that healed over superficially, covering the underlying wounds that still exist.

    My life was sacrificed at the feet of these dehumanizing, egotistical, delusional psychiatrists…for what?

  • Of course the mind and body work together. They are the same thing. But psychiatry separates the two by blaming the brain.
    If someone has a stomach ache, they might describe it as sharp pain, dull pain, severe pain or nausea.
    You ask what causes it, you take the time to find out if it is caused by something they ate, or an emotional upset.
    You don’t assume that they are “Aching Stomach Disorder” which is what psychiatry does, labels you and then gives you a drug to “shut down” your stomach for the rest of your life.

    Anxiety panic attacks can be stopped by deep breathing. It is much better than taking a drug and has no side effects. But you eventually must find out what is behind the anxiety, which is usually a situation and/or relationships, not a chemical deficiency.
    Psychiatry skips that step and goes right to the easy answer of prescribing a drug, putting off finding the cause of distress. Once the brain is drugged there is no motivation to deal with the original problem.
    People who take anxiety drugs become addicted and could never find out why they are anxious.

    I now think schizophrenia and psychosis are extreme anxiety states. Not that being in a state of constant fear and turmoil doesn’t change the brain in some way, I think it does.

    Psychiatry is so primitive, pretending to be sophisticated.

  • This is the problem with “medicalizing” our emotional states.

    Anxiety is not a medical disorder. We react to stress with anxiety, and depression and psychosis.
    Sometimes there are physical causes, but unless you are absolutely sure of that, and I mean diabetes, normal hormone fluctuations, brain tumors, brain injuries, or substance use,more questions should be asked about the situation and the relationships the person is in.

    The quick and easy answer is chemical imbalance.
    The more difficult answers take time and concern.

  • IED also means improvised explosive device, at least when used in a war zone.

    Imagine what it would be like to have that as part of your self image. A robotic “thing” that explodes when set off by motion or pressure.

    Again, this is dehumanizing a person, as psychiatry is wont to do.

    “You look like a teenager, but you could explode at any time.”.

    What would a teenager do with that? Internalize it and use it when needed, perhaps, as a way to control others. Or internalize it and perceive himself as unpredictable and dangerous, and not responsible for his behavior?

    Neither of those options is positive.

  • This is to Kermit Cole who responded to my comment:

    “I think that trauma research shows the body is involved”.
    I agree with this. In trauma, there are hormones and body “chemicals” going back and forth and amping up the fear and anxiety. Thyroid, insulin, adrenaline, cortisol?

    This is possible in either a crisis or after trauma where the fear and anxiety has built up to a critical point.
    These are naturally occurring body chemicals that are out of balance because of the thoughts and feelings of the person, but they are NOT the neurotransmitters that have been “isolated”–serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine, and then blocked by the drugs currently in use.

    The brain/body seeks homeostasis. Selecting a few neurotransmitters, out of at least a hundred, to work with, making a backwards assumption that, for example, serotonin is in short supply in a sad person’s brain, without asking why they are sad– they might know and avoid an attempt at a chemical fix.

    We already recognize that the research that identified which neurotransmitters are out of balance is out of date and seriously flawed.

    In the early 1950’s phenothiazines, which are actually pesticides, were given to patients for allergies and a side effect was that the person calmed down, or at least appeared to calm down, and the “tranquilizer” was born. However, phenothiazines will tranquilize anyone who takes them, not just the “mentally ill”.

    I have known people with diabetes who were psychotic and disoriented, and improved immediately when their glucose levels were balanced. New research shows that senile dementia may be “Type 3 Diabetes.” What irony. It’s just like diabetes after all.

    I also have noticed that people in their quest for a magic bullet have turned to vitamins and supplements, which also throw the brain and body out of balance.

    Something is out of balance, but what?

    The mental health field has been completely derailed for sixty years in the search for a chemical cure.

    Go back to that psych ward of 1954 and you will find the answer. It began with drugs that benefited the staff, not the patients. Thorazine made the lives of the caretakers easier, and that is still what this is all about.

  • The rest of the myth of a chemical imbalance (or any biological explanation for psychosis) is that “psych drugs DO help some people” and “in extreme cases” they calm the person down.

    For the some people who are “helped” it is most likely placebo effect, which includes a doctor who is telling them it will help– pscyhological placebo. If the doctor said, “I’ll give you these pills, but they probably won’t help”, they most likely won’t.

    As for the “extreme cases”, this is where I have a problem.
    Because what is “extreme” to one person isn’t extreme to another, and who gets to decide? Not the person in the extreme situation.

    Not only that, but hypothetically, if a drug “helps” an “extreme case”, that reinforces the myth that at least some people DO, indeed have a biological or chemical imbalance that can be “fixed” by drugs!

    This is all or nothing, people!

    It is either biologically based, or it isn’t.

    I believe it isn’t. I believe an “extreme case” (and people aren’t “cases” but that is always the word used, since it dehumanizes them, making them easier to “treat”) can be talked to, calmed in some non-violent way.

    Let’s face it, if a gorilla escapes the zoo it would be considered an extreme case and be shot with a tranquilizer dart.

    How is that different from a human in distress? The gorilla is stronger, still basically wild, and non-human. And you can’t ask a gorilla why he escaped from the zoo, though I’m sure if he could talk, it wouldn’t be something a doctor would want to hear.

    The word ‘agitation’ jumped out at me in Anonymous’s post. Haldol is the drug of choice for ‘agitation’, and while it makes the person appear calm on the outside, the agitation inside is a living hell, and what I see as torture, cruel and inhumane punishment.

    This whole argument about biological based “mental illness” is really about power, control, human rights, and the medical profession being involved in an area where it doesn’t belong.

    And an “us vs. them” mentality in which one person loses their human right to think and feel so that another person can think and feel superior, for whatever ego-related reason they need to.

    It has also become an easy way to deal with a complex problem. Whitaker calls this a magic bullet.

    A new diet drug was approved yesterday by the FDA. This is so parallel to the psych drug problem, in that it misses the point.
    This new diet pill “fools the brain into thinking the stomach is full.”

    Nobody’s stomach needs to be fooled into thinking it is full. It has actually been full on numerous occasions and the person kept on eating. So they are eating for some reason other than wanting to “feel full.”

    Guaranteed not to work, because they miss the mark. We will still have an epidemic of obesity, just like we still have an epidemic of mental illness, both based on faulty premises and driven by money and power.

    One last word about an extreme, out of control person: they are usually high on another drug. If this is taken into consideration, then a psych drug should be considered only an antidote, used once, just as any other poisoning is treated in the ER.

  • Sinead,

    I am not worshipping a false idol.
    Doctors such as Vivek Datta are not delusional in that he didn’t handle this incident in the way most psychiatric residents would.

    The psych residents I know have all bought into the whole drug scheme. If a woman came into the ER and had already diagnosed herself, that would just make their job even easier.

    Skip step 1, diagnosing, and go right to the prescription pad! Pat her on the head and send her on her way.

    My point about Dr Biederman went right past you. There are too many situations in which ONE doctor or institutional following, manages to convince everyone of their brilliance and then goes forth and destroys millions of lives. Dr. Biederman is one. Dr Robert O. Wilson is another. Max Fink and Harold Sackheim are two other “authorities” who continue to wreak havoc on brains through ECT, indirectly, but with financial ties to the industry and no CONSCIENCE to stop them.

    Dr Philip Coons spread the myth that between one and ten percent of the population has MPD, back in the 1980’s. His statistics proved it, because when it comes to iatrogenic illness, MPD is on top of the list.
    Probably the only reason that died out is because there is no DRUG to “treat” it, and all the lawsuits during the Recovered Memories heyday. But he convinced a lot of people and had a large following of believers.

    Worshipping these quacks is the furthest thing from the truth. It makes me angry when I discover that an individual with professional status has abused their position of authority.
    This is why I call them delusional. They have bought their own false beliefs.

    I usually tend to think they are not brilliant at all, except in their ability to fool people, and I’m always amazed how easily the public is swayed by them. But just look at the diet industry to see how easy it is to make money selling false hope.

    The story of how Prozac was “discovered” was written up in a popular magazine with an interview of the two scientists responsible for it. Their tone was very casual. They considered it an accident, a fluke, and a eureka moment.

    Thiat was in 1989. The two chemists were scratching their heads in wonder at what they had done. Wow we just discovered how to make everyone happy and make a lot of money, too. Little did they know what kind of monster they had unleashed from their lab in Greenfield.

    I wish you had chosen to respond to this part of my reply, “Are we back to square one?”

    More than powerful doctors and authority, money, and societal and personal responsibility, the fact that there is no such thing as a chemical imbalance in the brain of a distressed person needs to be settled once and for all.
    There is no biological basis to mood changes, distraction in classrooms, having a temper tantrum, being fearful for no “apparent” reason, or even hearing voices, and psychiatry needs to admit that it doesn’t have any business meddling in an area that is beyond their expertise.

    Recent reports that we are undergoing too many diagnostic scans and that we need to be more cautious before just having a CT scan, dental X-Ray, or mammogram have made us aware that even though imaging is helpful, it isn’t always necessary.

    This will result in less scanning and less money to be made by promoters of scans. If the tide can be turned on how radiology is used, what will it take for this psychiatric monstrosity to be brought down?

    Not more research. There is plenty of research already, although it is full of holes and biased on the side of where the money comes from.

    But we do need intelligent doctors who are willing to see the monster from a fresh viewpoint and not toe the line. I see Dr Datta as having potential in that regard, and I am not worshipping him or any false idol.

  • Dr Datta isn’t part of the Big Delusion created by psychiatry and its marketeers.

    This self-diagnosed person came in wanting drugs, or inpatient care, or a crazy card.

    He turned her down. He didn’t buy into the big delusion that anyone who thinks they may be depressed needs chemical help.

    I think we forget just how new the non-chemical imbalance theory is, or at least how short the time is that it has been in public awareness.

    Most people I know still believe the chemical imbalance Delusion.

    I know a psychiatric professional who diagnoses everyone– everyone– even herself. She is one of many who are deeply caught up in the Big Delusion that make it so difficult to fight. I know I will never convince her that her world view is warped. She has too much invested (and I don’t mean financially) in the status quo.
    Every question has an answer, and to her it’s in the diagnosis. She sees everyone as bipolar, epileptic, or borderline personality disorder for the most part, with some OCD and dementia also in her wide, wide net.
    Even anchor persons on TV, or sit-com characters have a Dx from her point of view, and all they need is meds.

    In reading MIA over the last couple of months, I have come to realize that we will always have a voice of authority in our society. Whatever the motives are behind that voice, whether money, power or political gain, it will be there and people will listen to it and mold their world view to it.

    Dr Biederman decided, from his position of authority, that little kids who have temper tantrums are bipolar. I didn’t think so when I read that, but people with little kids having temper tantrums did because it fit their situation and gave them an answer to their problem, one that was easy to fix with a pill, or a lot of pills as it turns out.

    As long as an authority figure says, “Medication does help SOME people” and “there are extreme cases which need medical intervention”, there will always be some psychiatric chemical to fill the “need”.

    Who decides where to draw that line between “extreme cases” and not so extreme?
    Who decides if someone falls into the category of the SOME people who can be helped?

    And the problem remains that these decisions are made very quickly and without any input from the extreme case or the patronized SOME. The person is in the ER, or is outside threatening suicide– there’s no time to talk to them and get their perspective on their situation, or ask them if they want the shot in the butt, because it is more important to control the person at the time– and the reasoning is, “they’re OUT OF CONTROL!!!”

    So there is no such thing as a chemical imbalance in the brain.
    Unless the person is acting wild and out of control, then there is such a thing.
    Or if the doctor thinks a sad person “may” be helped by a psychiatric chemical.

    Are we back at square one?

    The creation of more diagnoses and expanding the diagnosed, increasing the numbers to what we now see as epidemic in order to sell drugs will be difficult to reverse. There is too much to lose for too many.

    All the people who spent years learning about it in medical school, all the para-psychiatric professionals, all the drug company employees, all the parents with screaming bipolar toddlers, all the sad people, all the financial investors, all the people who have been made ill by taking brain damaging chemicals…why, these people must add up to more than half of our citizens.

    I just made up that statistic, but my point is that we are in very deep.

    Dr Datta IS smart, young and well educated. And not delusional.