I think I was given one to fill out and I asked them if it was from the manufacturer and they said no, and I said if you look closely I think it is.
I believe in the UK that the advice is now, to move away from antidepressants because the situation is getting out of control.
Historically before these drugs arrived, people did suffer ‘depression’ and sometimes ended up helpless in hospital. But they recovered without chemicals and maybe only had one or two episodes of ‘depression’ in their lives.
…explaining the Wim Hoff Technique and why it works
A lot of people swear by this approach (it needs to be developed gradually).
Thank You Dr GĂžtzsche
“…A major risk factor for becoming depressed has nothing to do with biological psychiatry but is simply living a depressing life you feel you cannot escape from…”
I’d support that!
Are the normal problems of life being referred to here; or common mental disorders; or are the two things more or less the same?
Thank you for your honest work Dr.GĂžtzsche,
If depression pills don’t work and are sometimes very harmful we’re left with the options we had to begin with – talking, yoga, exercise, meditation, sport, religion, work, activity, and many forms of psychotherapy.
If a person intends committing suicide there isn’t any way, anyone else can stop them. Therefore any approach towards the person should at least be more helpful than harmful.
Professionals reckon 42 percent of irish people have a mental disorder so that makes Irish people really really unreliable. I wouldn’t trust them myself!
Hi Laura Guerra and Mad In Italy,
it’s nice to hear from you. You mention Akathisia, Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal, Psychiatric Abuse, and Psychiatric Name Calling. I’ve briefly chronicled my own experience.
Non Existent Schizophrenia
I’ve attempted suicide several times under the influence of Acute AKATHISIA. I’ve also had a number of hospitalizations while attempting to withdraw from Psychiatric ‘Medications’ – and had been diagnosed Worse Mentally as a result.
Chronic Non Existent Schizophrenia
So, ultimately I was diagnosed as a fairly bad case – until I learned:- 1. How to withdraw carefully from ‘medication’; 2. Was no longer Psychiatric Drug Disabled; 3. And returned to normal life – As a result.
Drug Withdrawal High Anxiety
I didn’t come back the same though. I suffered from dreadful “High Anxiety” even with a careful drug withdrawal regime. And this condition could have broken me.
High Anxiety Resolution
But I learned how to deal with My High Anxiety problem through careful observation and ‘trial and error’. And I also found that what worked for Normal Anxiety also worked for High Anxiety.
Exit
When I stopped taking “medication” some years down the line, I hardly realised I had done so.
Thank You Dr Julia.
Hi David
I heard that a lot of professionals presumed EMDR to be ineffective until they realised – it worked. But if it works I would imagine that it would pay for itself (eventually).
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION âA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY (Copy and Google) (Circa 2020)
Anyone incapable of successfully withdrawing from the above drug was classified as “Relapsing”.
3RD LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH
“..Psychiatry does not deliver what the customers want. And what it delivers kills so many customers that it might be the third leading cause of death…”
SEROQUEL has a Black Box Warning and is banned in the American Military. At low doses Seroquel is very effective for sleeping – but it is discouraged by doctors as Seroquel can Kill. This might be a Problem for Normal People, but not for a middle aged Psychiatric Patient who can be classed as dying from Natural Causes.
They are very addictive. This is how at least 50% of “Patients” become “Schizophrenic” – they breakdown as a result of attempting to withdraw from “APs” and this is interpreted as “Relapse”.
One of best Blogs of 2022
“Antidepressants No Better Than Placebo for About 85% of People”:-
This was definitely my experience. I was prescribed ADs between 1984 and 1990, and they made NO difference whatsoever, but coming off them was NOT too difficult.
I’ve now seen you on You Tube and am going to study your techniques – thank you very much. Much Appreciated.
Thank You Dr Peter,
This is your best one yet. As someone who nearly lost their life in the Psychiatric System and regained it through leaving the Psychiatric System I’m very grateful.
Robert Whitaker “Anatomy of an Epidemic” Quotes:-
“…Rather than fix chemical imbalances in the brain, the drugs create them. (207)..”
“…Prior to being medicated, a depressed person has no known chemical imbalance. (81)…”
“..If you expand the boundaries of mental illness, which is clealry what has happened in this country during the past twenty-five years, and you treat the people so diagnosed with psychiatric medications, do you run the risk of turning an anger-ridden teenager into a lifelong mental patient? (p. 30)..”
“Recovery on the med model requires you to be obedient, like a child,” she explains. “You are obedient to your doctors, you are compliant with your therapist, and you take your meds. There’s no striving toward greater intellectual concerns. (123)”
“The âcure,â it seemed, had once again been proven to be âworse than the disease.”
I like the fada TomĂĄs,
I must give this article a good read.
Thank You Jay,
I see what you mean by illusion. It’s also a Delusion.
Janne, “Superstition” is a very appropriate word!
I think that governments subsidizing Psychiatric Drugs that don’t work and often disable, is a very expensive way to transfer taxpayers money to pharmaceutical companies.
I believe octogenarian Claus Schwaab invented the ‘Corporation’ – but hes unlikely to live long enough to experience it!
Is having a ‘Mental Disorder’ a ‘Nice’ thing to have?
Is it complimentary?
Do 25% of PoliceMen, PoliceWomen, Doctors, Teachers, Lawyers, Chefs, also have a ‘Mental Disorder’?
Is every problem in life a ‘Mental Disorder’?
Are there too many ‘Professionals’ sponging off the UK Welfare State?
The Hearing Voices Network is supposed to be a Peer Group. And if it is a Peer Group then the last thing that’s needed is a Professional inside in the room!
“….New research supports a new, dialogic, non-medicalized approach to helping people who hear upsetting voices…”
If it does – its very late in the day!
Yes Steve,
That is definitely true.
“Psychosis” can also be part of the normal bereavement process. And the normal post partum process.
It’s not an abnormal condition.
I believe 50% of prescriptions for the drug Seroquel, are for sleep problems. At lower doses of 25 mg to 150mg, Seroquel is an antihistamine.
Exactly – I believe largactil (thorazine) was originally used on sheep. And then used as an industrial processing chemical.
As qualified doctors Psychiatists are trusted and can also appear intelligent.
The idea in the “early days of medication” was that Neuroleptic Drugs created a state of indifference in so called Schizophrenics and provided a solution. But the obvious problem was that the people taking these drugs needed “continual looking after” on account of their drug lethargy. So this approach was not much of a solution.
Psychologists and therapists go through great lengths attempting to talk people into wellness but most of the time this doesn’t work.
What works, in my opinion, is an attempt to acquire a state of mind of calmness or Equanimity which can be developed to a necessary level with practice….
… I know this works.
Psychosis can occur when a person goes mad as a result of a poisoning. Alternatively psychosis can occur when a person withdraws too quickly from Neuroleptic (aka “anti psychotic”) Drugs.
Sometimes people that experience strange ideas or hallucinations might be termed psychotic, but a person like this, generally speaking, is not genuinely Psychotic.
Psychiatrists and very often Psychologists abuse the term psychosis, and this is because they need to increase the importance of their work.
I used psychological techniques (with slow drug withdrawal) to overcome my psychiatric situation. The diagnosis in my case was extreme – but I managed to move on successfully, without much help from professionals.
We Need To Stop Treating Adolescence As A Mental Health Disorder
I think Dr Stone might have been “helped along the way”.
It’s possible that “Nobody With Psychosis” might be hired, because a “person with psychosis” might not even know where they were. If a person had recovered and was fairly represented, then there might be no reason not to hire them.
Tinnitus or wringing in the ears is a very distressing condition but it is not a Mental Illness (as far as I know). A person hearing voices might be more than capable of neutralizing the effect of “voices”, (and hireable).
In my own case the claim to “diagnosis” came from a Dr Barry Leonard Stone of the Maudsley, attempting to pass off my normal internal social thought, as the hearing of external ‘voices’ – i.e. Malpractice.
Dr Barry Leonard Stone committed suicide on 11 October 1999 at the age of 51
Not so long ago a Psychiatric nurse told me (sympathetically) that a person could be killed for reporting deaths caused by psychiatric drugs.
The Problem within Psychiatry is the Scale and History of these Avoidable Killings.
There are lots of “intelligent” people that work in Psychiatry :- but the idea that Psychiatric drugs are a Medicine that can make people better in the long run – is just nonsense.
Dr Joanna Moncrieff and colleagues have recently published a convincing Research Paper on the ineffectiveness of SSRI drugs like Lexapro.
But there are other people that are now attempting to raise the SSRI s from the dead.
(…Spellbinding…sometimes people think psychiatric drugs are effective because – they feel so terrible when they try to come off them).
.
I wrote in to Doctors, The Irish Medical Council and many other places in 2012 /2013 regarding the lethal effects of the Neuroleptic Drug Modecate, (Fluphenazine) which is on the WHO list of Essential Medicines – and which nearly killed me several times.
I notice in 2013 that Fluphenazine was “mysteriously” taken off the market in the US.
I came off this deadly drug in 1984, replacing it with straightforward stress management techniques, to become independent of Psychiatry.
(The whole thing is a Fraud)
Peter,
“…I am therefore convinced that it is primarily due to my tenacity that the usage went down in Denmark…” I was just thinking this as I was reading.
I took antidepressants in the 1980s – and they had no emotional effects – which is what most people I’ve met have said about them.
I didn’t consider antidepressants to be toxic in the 1980s, but I would consider them to be toxic now.
The Mental Illness Epidemic is a creation – there was nothing like this before. But the damage is genuine.
Hi Robert
The MH system is more or less broken in every country in the world and getting worse. Mental Health drugs (tranquillisers), don’t work in the long term and usually disable.
The problem in the Global Economy is that politicians have got to play up to Pharmaceutical companies to keep their jobs. The taxpayer is then left to pay for the disabling drugs and the disability.
In Ireland theres no difference between Fianna Fail, Fine Gael or Sinn Feinn – and they all promote “Mental Illness”.
In the UK the Conservatives under Rishi Sunak are much the same as Labour under Sir Keir Starmer .
Democracy is also gone – its finished.
‘Non professionals’ like ‘Will Hall’ recover, the people that follow Psychiatry don’t. Most people that recover use similar methods to Will Hall.
Psychiatry can only offer Tranquillisers – and Tranquillisers don’t work
Professor – consuming Ritalin causes ADHD is this what you’re saying?
I believe you!
I was okay refusing Neuroleptics when I was 20, but when I was 23 and I tried to come off them I was definitely feeling desperate! The original symptoms were concocted, but I still felt I was going crazy when I attempted to withdraw.
(But years later I feel okay – a lot of the time. And I did manage to stop taking the medication).
Hi Robert,
I agree with you. I didn’t benefit much from psychiatric treatments in the early 1980s. But I was able to access alternatives that worked better than the Psychiatric “Medications”.
The Psychiatrist I was seeing in 1983 offered me the chance to abruptly withdraw from psychiatric drugs, with poor results. And then a very poor Diagnosis of Longterm Schizophrenia.
I managed after this to successfully reduce the worst of the medications and to return to normal life, as a result. Through the years the rest of the drugs went to one side of their own accord.
The psychiatric drug exposure between 1980 and 1983 had distorted me, and could have turned me into a long term psychiatric patient.
Potentially Disabling Anxiety was my biggest Problem. But I was able to find a route out of this, through trial and error.
The type of Approach that worked for me in the 1980s is also covered by Eckhart Tolle in “The Power Of Now”
And by
Psychiatrist Dr David R Hawkins in his self help book “Letting Go”
[Anxiety is a type of Closed Space that Reinforces itself through the thought process and High Anxiety is Potentially Disabling].
Lithium is like all the other Psychiatric drugs in that – if it’s taken then it’s going to need to be taken. The patient becomes sick because of the dependency on the drug. Like all the other Psychiatric drugs Lithium leads to an early death.
(I took Lithium for a few years even though I wasn’t even ‘bipolar’. When I stopped taking the drug I developed a ‘high’ personality. But since I was on other drugs anyway there was no point in putting me on more).
From “The Power of Now” by Eckhart Tolle
Pages 63, 64
“…..Touch something â anything â and feel and acknowledge its Being. Observe the rhythm of your breathing; feel the air flowing in and out, feel the life energy inside your body. Allow everything to be, within and without. Allow the âisnessâ of all things. Move deeply into the Now.
You are leaving behind the deadening world of mental abstraction, of time. You are getting out of the insane mind that is draining you of life energy, just as it is slowly poisoning and destroying the Earth.
You are awakening out of the dream of time into the present.
ALL PROBLEMS ARE ILLUSIONS OF THE MIND
Q. It feels as if a heavy burden has been lifted. A sense of lightness. I feel clear. . . but my problems are still there waiting for me, arenât they? They havenât been solved. Am I not just temporarily evading them? If you found yourself in paradise, it wouldnât be long before your mind would say âyes, but. . . .â
A. Ultimately, this is not about solving your problems. Itâs about realizing that there are no problems. Only situations â to be dealt with now, or to be left alone and accepted as part of the âisnessâ of the present moment until they change or can be dealt with.
Problems are mind-made and need time to survive. They cannot survive in the actuality of the Now. Focus your attention on the Now and tell me what problem you have at this moment….”
In my experience it works (with practice).
Thank You for this Article Samantha,
‘Mindfulness’ is more effective than Modecate (Fluphenazine Decanoate) Depot for ‘SMI’.
My Medical Records represent this.
In Mental Health the Professionals needs to live off the patients. Whereas in real life (and I’ve seen this many times) a person can get better fairly quickly.
Thank you Peter, I like the Heading.
Hi Laura
Your story sounds fairly gruesome. But I’m glad to see that things are looking up.
I got better as a result of leaving Psychiatry (to recover from “a big diagnosis”).
WE need to start doing it for ourselves. Most of the recovered go through Psychiatry but ultimately look outside Psychiatry for solutions. And People do find their solutions outside the Professional services.
I believe there’s already a shortage of Psychiatrists in the UK (and Ireland) which is a good thing – as Drug Psychiatry has no answers.
Besides this the country can’t afford to pay for lots and lots of invalids – that could get completely well. The Eyes need to Open.
Hi Daniel,
Nice to see you again.
What you say about psychotherapy doesn’t surprise me at all!
Amy Winehouse spoke with a friend on the night she passed, they said she was in a happy and positive frame of mind; and that she mentioned she would be prepared to give up everything she had, just to be able to walk down the street without being recognised.
Thank You Richard,
This is good news.
I attend peer groups all the time (but not for intervention).
“…Stopping antipsychotic use is associated with recovery rates that are six times higher compared to those still using the drugs….”
The British Psychological Society claim to be able to successfully treat conditions described as Schizophrenia in the same way as they might treat Social Anxiety or Shyness.
I believe the Psychologists CAN and I can describe HOW:- Through very careful withdrawal from Psychiatric drugs and the use of Effective Anxiety Reduction Methods.
A doctor friend of mine told me that he had attempted several times to take patients off ‘antipsychotics’ – but without success.
Antipsychotic drugs are very difficult to discontinue as they create a type of “drug induced high anxiety” which surfaces on drug withdrawal.
Antipsychotic drugs are also ‘hyperbolic’ – which means that withdrawing from even low doses can result in problems (bamboozling a person into thinking they’re ‘sick’).
I was lucky to be able to come off ‘antipsychotics’ – as I was initially satisfied with a reduction in medication that reduced my disabling side effects and allowed me to get on with life.
I was also able to access effective Non Drug Approaches to overcome my ‘drug withdrawal high anxiety’. Without these Approaches I would NOT have Recovered.
I was finally prescribed Seroquel at 25mg/day – which had only antihistamine effect, and easy to stop.
I spent a number of years really struggling in the Psychiatric System even though the original ‘Schizophrenia’ had been “medically game played”.
There wasn’t much ‘depression’ until Prozac entered the market – as a treatment – in the later part of the 1980s. Now ‘depression’ is a major illness, even though Prozac has been proven NOT to work most of the time.
Daisy Valley,
Medication-induced OCD is very real.
The ‘conditions for diagnosis’ are purely off the top of a Psychiatrists head – but the psychiatric treatment locks the person in.
A friend of mine looked after plenty of people who ‘went off the rails’ on marijuana – he told me that if they stopped smoking they mostly recovered.
IMO “Cannabis Lunacy” is NOT a form of “Schizophrenia” – it’s a form of “intoxication”.
I have never seen anyone smoke cannibas regularly without developing some form of ‘Cannibas Lunacy’. I can’t understand why this is not recognised.
Schizophrenia or Marijuana
A 2nd generation Caribbean Person in the UK, is 10 times more likely to be diagnosed with ‘Schizophrenia’ than a member of the UK indigenous population. I wonder if this is ‘Schizophrenia’ or Marijuana.
One of the reasons ‘Schizophrenia’ is considered to be ‘Schizophrenia’ is that a ‘Schizophrenic Person’ can go ‘Mad’ if they stop taking their ‘Medication’. But anyone can go Mad if they try to stop taking this type of ‘Medication’ – whether they were originally judged ‘Schizophrenic’ or not.
I believe the ‘Medical Standard’ is that if a person runs into problems fairly quickly when they attempt to withdraw from a ‘medication’ then the problem is likely to be linked to ‘Withdrawal Syndome’. But if the person runs into problems later on it might be linked to ‘Relapse’.
Most people abruotly withdrawing from ‘Schizophrenic Medications’ run into problems fairly quickly.
“…Only when psychotic does a person have certainty. ..”
Yes definitely.
I never heard ‘voices’ myself even though the doctor in 1980 tried to make out I did – by representing the normal social thought inside my head, as a ‘hallucination’ outside of my head. This doctor committed suicide in October of 1999.
I imagine persecutory ‘voices’ to be designed to negatively preoccupy a person. A solution might be to concentrate on the physical effects of the experience – to ‘anchor’ the mind and ‘process’ the feelings.
Thank You Dr Fontaine,
I replaced Long Acting Neuroleptic Depot Injections with the types of Psychological Principles that you describe in your article.
The CBT term “Catastrophisation” is a brilliant expression because it humanizes distress in a way that most people can identify with. I suffered from a lot of “Catastrophisation” in my attempts to withdraw from psychiatric drugs.
The CBT term “Emotional Reasoning” is also very pertinent, as this is exactly what I do when I am Catastrophic. If I can avoid Reasoning Emotionally I can eventually see things in a Neutral or Non Distressed manner. Recognising this, is how I managed to withdraw from my “Neuroleptic Depot Injection”!
Hi
“…This leads me to believe that the manic episode was truly induced by both stress and marijuana, and that Invega may have been necessary to bring me back out of it…”
I was put on Lithium in the 1980s – for no real reason -and when I came off this drug I developed a type of “over the top” personality for a number of years. So “Bi Polar” (IMO) can be drug induced.
When I attempted to come off all Psychiatric ‘Medications’ (abruptly – with permission) things didn’t work out so well. But I did manage to cut down very slowly over a number of years. The main problem I experienced with coming off psychiatric drugs was “Drug Withdrawal – High Anxiety”.
Once I learnt how to cope with the “High Anxiety” – I felt everything was going to be ok.
From the Article:-
“….Ms French said it was âvery upsettingâ when the dangers of benzodiazepines emerged in the 1980s, noting she watched a documentary about a man who said coming off the drugs was harder for him than his stint fighting on the front lines of the Second World War…”
I believe “xanax” was the drug that nearly drove Psychologist Dr Jordan Peterson “mad” and almost killed him.
My experience of coming off Fluphenazine (neuroleptic depot injection) was one of chemically induced almost disabling PTSD. I had to find ways of working around the “PTSD” rather than overcoming it.
In my experience “antipsychotic” drugs cause the conditions they are prescribed to treat. If a person is given these drugs to improve their “mental health”, there is a good chance that they will ultimately end up longterm mentally disabled – as a result.
Good Point, Birdsong.
Exactly!
THE IRISH EXAMINER June 27 2022
“…The most common of these disorders was insomnia disorder, with 15% affected…alcohol use disorder at 9%…and generalized anxiety disorder at 7%….”
“…Dr Fox said that approximately one-in-nine adults in Ireland have at some point attempted to end their own life and that having a mental health disorder makes this much more likely….” (#Akathisia?).
Thank You Jenny,
From the Above Article:-
“….about half of the population will meet the criteria for a psychiatric diagnosis at some point…”
They Already Do (- in Ireland) :-
Irish Examiner, 27 June 2022, Ryan O Rourke :-
” ….42% of Irish adults have a mental health disorder and and over 10% have attempted suicide..”
(Google for Study Article)
This could mean that 42% of Irish Professionals, Politicians, Lawyers, Doctors, Teachers, Lecturers, Soldiers, Psychiatrists, Psychologists, are Mentally Disordered.
The Evidence:-
“..The study, which was carried out by academics from Maynooth University, National College of Ireland and Trinity College Dublin, is the first comprehensive assessment of the occurrence of multiple mental health disorders and attempted suicide in the Republic of Ireland…”
Shocking Conclusion:-
Even Psychologists and Psychiatrists (from Maynooth University, National College Ireland and Trinity College) that prepared this Study, are quite likely Mentally Disordered.
The whole idea of NOT taking psychedelics was that these drugs could mess a person’s brain up, and cause longterm problems.
Prior to the introduction of SSRI s in 1980 (plus) there was NO Depression. People took it for granted that they might be happy or unhappy, but identifying with Depression showed a person up as a loser.
These days if the “anti depressants” don’t work and the person complains – they might get a shocking (whether they want it or not).
Bob, as regards Disability Benefit – the UK claimants are probably GENUINELY Disabled as a result of exposure to the “AntiDepressants” – I very nearly ended up like this myself.
I have never Heard Voices myself but I am interested in the Subject.
The London Hearing Voices Network appears only to have meetings during normal office hours – which to me completely defeats the idea of a “Peer Group”.
I would have thought that a Hearing Voices Network would operate outside of normal working hours with (personally experienced) people helping newer arrivals.
Professionals are the last thing needed in a Peer Group.
If you take the drugs over a period of time, and feel terrible when you stop, you could easily believe the drugs are effectively treating an illness.
…Works better than this Drug here:
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION âA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
From National University Ireland Galway 2021
1 in 3 UK Teens Given Antidepressants Despite Official Guidelines. Where is this likely to lead?
“….I think that in many ways Shipman was a victim of a system that didnât protect him when he needed it most. ..”
What about Nurse Beverly Allitt (Wikipedia)
“…English serial child killer who was convicted of murdering four children, attempting to murder three other children, and causing grievous bodily harm to a further six.[1]..”
“…attempting to murder three other children..”
In My Case:- I Do Have The Evidence
But there have been so many people in Ireland killed on this drug (Fluphenazine) – the authorities “don’t want to get involved”.
I believe withdrawal from psychiatric “medication” can cause short term, and long term OCD.
THE BIOLOGICAL CREATION OF “SCHIZOPHRENIA”
“Schizophrenia” is supppsed to be a long term mental illness. So how is it possible to diagnose it?
I believe a person is often considered “Schizophrenic” if they relapse as a result of stopping medication.
I “relapsed”several times and ended up in hospital, until I went back on medication, and slowly tapered – and could only then withdraw from treatment and remain well.
I also had to find a way to deal with my dreadful ‘psychiatric drug withdrawal anxiety’.
But I didn’t originally have the necessary symptoms for a “Schizophrenic Diagnosis” – the symptoms had been game played.
Most people are probably like me – they become “Schizophrenic” through co operating with psychiatric treatment.
I would presume that if Doctor Harold Shipman (Wikipedia) had unsucessfully set up a situation whereby another one of his patients might lose their life – he would still be prosecuted. But this doesn’t seem to happen in Mental Health even though the unexpected death rate can be quite high.
Thank You John Read and Jeffrey Masson,
Biological Psychiatry is still murdering âSchizophrenicsâ.
I nearly died several times at Galway, on the below drugs:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION âA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
From National University Ireland Galway 2021
Suicide Associated with Akathisia and Depot Fluphenazine Treatment 1983
SHEAR, M. KATHERINE MD; FRANCES, ALLEN MD; WEIDDN, PETER MD
Psychiatric Times June 18 2014
ââŠPatients with schizophrenia were each given 20 mg of fluphenazine, the difference between the highest and lowest blood level of the drug was 40-foldâŠâ
When I relocated to the UK (in 1986), I asked Doctors at Galway if they would send an ADR Warning concerning Fluphenazine to the UK, and they assured me they would. But they didnât, they misrepresented me instead.
“..Less than 25% of people respond to Antidepressants..”
is something we already know – and is not very optimistic.
It might be possible also, that quite a few people get very little benefit – but are incapable of stopping.
And …What’s to be done about the Fact, that the rate of Mental Health Disability has increased quite a bit since Antidepressants came into common use..?
Robert, I have NO difficulty understanding where you’re coming from.
“Anxiety/Depression” is a genuinely terrible thing but there are non chemical solutions to Anxiety – and there can be an end to Anxiety.
I believe a lot of teenagers today are supposed to suffer from a certain amount of ‘anxiety’ – and this is often seen as “illness”.
Personally, I was raised in a Catholic background, where ‘suffering’ was seen not as an illness but as part of life..
Fortunately for me as I progressed into my 20s, I was able to get a handle on ‘my Anxiety’, and to happily avoid a lot of unnecessary suffering.
Dear Carol and Russell,
I’m very sorry to hear about the loss of your daughter, Catherine. Thank you for the hard work you have done in attempting to expose the terrible treatment of vulnerable people within the Psychiatric System.
I consumed antipsychotics (between the age of 20 and 24) and suffered from chronic and acute Akathisia; attempting suicide twice as a result.
I regained my health and independence through carefully stopping this treatment.
“…During his training, he recalls, his professors had told him that stopping antidepressants was fairly easy….”
The Professors should go back to school.
As slow as is needed – maybe.
MAYBE WE DONâT NEED PSYCHIATRY
If a âSeverely Diagnosed Personâ can come off the (below) drugs Independently – and Cost Nothing and make Full Recovery:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION âA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
[For Recent STUDY â copy and google above heading]
And if as Reported:-
ââŠOver 40% of Irish adults have mental health disorder, study findsâŠâ
Irish Times Mon Jun 27 2022 â 19:21
ââŠThe study, which was carried out by academics from Maynooth University, National College of Ireland and Trinity College DublinâŠâ
BRIEF EXPLANATION
I was placed on Disabling and Suicidally inductive Fluphenazine Decanoate in 1980.
Following complaint, I was given permission in 1983, to abruptly withdraw from these drugs â and ended up in Galway University Hospial.
By 1984 I was considered hopeless.
I then decided to taper very carefully from these drugs. I also learned how to cope (through trial and error), with my drug withdrawal anxiety.
I regained my ability to function and was no longer Suicidal as a result of successfully coming off these drugs; and have remained well since (1984 -2022).
The original âdiagnosisâ had been âSchizophreniaâ
Depression was more or less invented alongside Prozac in the 1980s.
Richard
To be truthful the AA does work. The AA is not commercial but the Rehab industry is very commercial.
There are lots of things people object to regarding the AA – but these issues do not present themselves as actual problems within the fellowship.
“…Unfortunately, for most, antidepressants donât work..”
I was prescribed tricyclic “anti depressant” Prothiaden in the 1980s, and consumed it until 1990.
AND:- Going on Prothiaden made No difference; Being on Prothiaden made No difference; and Coming Off Prothiaden made No difference.
But I wasn’t Clinically Depressed to Begin With.
MAYBE WE DON’T NEED ANY PSYCHIATRISTS OR ANY PSYCHOLOGISTS…
..If a ‘Severely Diagnosed Person’ can come off the below drugs independently and Cost Nothing, and make Full Recovery:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION âA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
[For Recent STUDY – copy and google above heading]
…and if…
“…Over 40% of Irish adults have mental health disorder, study finds…”
Irish Times Mon Jun 27 2022 – 19:21
“…The study, which was carried out by academics from Maynooth University, National College of Ireland and Trinity College Dublin…”
BRIEF EXPLANATION
I was placed on Disabling and Suicidally inductive Fluphenazine Decanoate in 1980.
Following complaint, I was given permission in 1983, to abruptly withdraw from these drugs – and ended up in Galway University Hospial.
By 1984 I was considered hopeless.
I then decided to taper very carefully from these drugs. I also learned how to cope (through trial and error), with my drug withdrawal anxiety.
I regained my ability to function and was no longer Suicidal as a result of successfully coming off these drugs; and have remained well since (1984 -2022).
The original “diagnosis” had been “Schizophrenia”
When I complained in Ireland about nearly losing my life on psychiatric drugs, a psychiatrist sympathised with me, but stated that this was not just something that happened in Ireland, but in every other country as well.
How can any “genuine Medicine” NOT be aware after 30 years of usage, that this type of drug has very little value.
(I remember attending an ‘Event’ a few years ago in Central London where a learned Mental Health Lawyer and Tribunal Judge, stated that if psychiatrists were to acknowledge the effects of psychiatric drugs, they would not be able to prescribe them.
His actual point was that it was reasonable enough for a Psychiatrist not to acknowledge Psychiatric Abuse).
âTrauma-Informed Careâ Left Me More Traumatised Than Ever”
I think I was given one to fill out and I asked them if it was from the manufacturer and they said no, and I said if you look closely I think it is.
I believe in the UK that the advice is now, to move away from antidepressants because the situation is getting out of control.
Historically before these drugs arrived, people did suffer ‘depression’ and sometimes ended up helpless in hospital. But they recovered without chemicals and maybe only had one or two episodes of ‘depression’ in their lives.
https://ssristories.org/mother-kills-her-5-children-recent-withdrawal-happened-jan-2nd-2007/
Thank you Dr Peter,
I believe this complete tragedy could have been avoided:-
BBC News – Friday March 3 2023
Genevieve Lhermitte: Belgian mother who killed her five children euthanised
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64835051
Irish Times – Friday March 2 2007
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/woman-who-killed-her-five-children-was-being-treated-for-depression-1.1197810
What Happens During Wim Hoff Breathing
https://youtu.be/S-r35dBbAB8
…explaining the Wim Hoff Technique and why it works
A lot of people swear by this approach (it needs to be developed gradually).
Thank You Dr GĂžtzsche
“…A major risk factor for becoming depressed has nothing to do with biological psychiatry but is simply living a depressing life you feel you cannot escape from…”
I’d support that!
Are the normal problems of life being referred to here; or common mental disorders; or are the two things more or less the same?
BBC News – Who can die? Canada wrestles with euthanasia for the mentally ill
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64004329
Thank you for your honest work Dr.GĂžtzsche,
If depression pills don’t work and are sometimes very harmful we’re left with the options we had to begin with – talking, yoga, exercise, meditation, sport, religion, work, activity, and many forms of psychotherapy.
If a person intends committing suicide there isn’t any way, anyone else can stop them. Therefore any approach towards the person should at least be more helpful than harmful.
Professionals reckon 42 percent of irish people have a mental disorder so that makes Irish people really really unreliable. I wouldn’t trust them myself!
Hi Laura Guerra and Mad In Italy,
it’s nice to hear from you. You mention Akathisia, Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal, Psychiatric Abuse, and Psychiatric Name Calling. I’ve briefly chronicled my own experience.
Non Existent Schizophrenia
I’ve attempted suicide several times under the influence of Acute AKATHISIA. I’ve also had a number of hospitalizations while attempting to withdraw from Psychiatric ‘Medications’ – and had been diagnosed Worse Mentally as a result.
Chronic Non Existent Schizophrenia
So, ultimately I was diagnosed as a fairly bad case – until I learned:- 1. How to withdraw carefully from ‘medication’; 2. Was no longer Psychiatric Drug Disabled; 3. And returned to normal life – As a result.
Drug Withdrawal High Anxiety
I didn’t come back the same though. I suffered from dreadful “High Anxiety” even with a careful drug withdrawal regime. And this condition could have broken me.
High Anxiety Resolution
But I learned how to deal with My High Anxiety problem through careful observation and ‘trial and error’. And I also found that what worked for Normal Anxiety also worked for High Anxiety.
Exit
When I stopped taking “medication” some years down the line, I hardly realised I had done so.
Thank You Dr Julia.
Hi David
I heard that a lot of professionals presumed EMDR to be ineffective until they realised – it worked. But if it works I would imagine that it would pay for itself (eventually).
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION âA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY (Copy and Google) (Circa 2020)
Anyone incapable of successfully withdrawing from the above drug was classified as “Relapsing”.
3RD LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH
“..Psychiatry does not deliver what the customers want. And what it delivers kills so many customers that it might be the third leading cause of death…”
SEROQUEL has a Black Box Warning and is banned in the American Military. At low doses Seroquel is very effective for sleeping – but it is discouraged by doctors as Seroquel can Kill. This might be a Problem for Normal People, but not for a middle aged Psychiatric Patient who can be classed as dying from Natural Causes.
They are very addictive. This is how at least 50% of “Patients” become “Schizophrenic” – they breakdown as a result of attempting to withdraw from “APs” and this is interpreted as “Relapse”.
One of best Blogs of 2022
“Antidepressants No Better Than Placebo for About 85% of People”:-
This was definitely my experience. I was prescribed ADs between 1984 and 1990, and they made NO difference whatsoever, but coming off them was NOT too difficult.
I’ve now seen you on You Tube and am going to study your techniques – thank you very much. Much Appreciated.
Thank You Dr Peter,
This is your best one yet. As someone who nearly lost their life in the Psychiatric System and regained it through leaving the Psychiatric System I’m very grateful.
Robert Whitaker “Anatomy of an Epidemic” Quotes:-
“…Rather than fix chemical imbalances in the brain, the drugs create them. (207)..”
“…Prior to being medicated, a depressed person has no known chemical imbalance. (81)…”
“..If you expand the boundaries of mental illness, which is clealry what has happened in this country during the past twenty-five years, and you treat the people so diagnosed with psychiatric medications, do you run the risk of turning an anger-ridden teenager into a lifelong mental patient? (p. 30)..”
“Recovery on the med model requires you to be obedient, like a child,” she explains. “You are obedient to your doctors, you are compliant with your therapist, and you take your meds. There’s no striving toward greater intellectual concerns. (123)”
“The âcure,â it seemed, had once again been proven to be âworse than the disease.”
I like the fada TomĂĄs,
I must give this article a good read.
Thank You Jay,
I see what you mean by illusion. It’s also a Delusion.
Janne, “Superstition” is a very appropriate word!
I think that governments subsidizing Psychiatric Drugs that don’t work and often disable, is a very expensive way to transfer taxpayers money to pharmaceutical companies.
I believe octogenarian Claus Schwaab invented the ‘Corporation’ – but hes unlikely to live long enough to experience it!
Is having a ‘Mental Disorder’ a ‘Nice’ thing to have?
Is it complimentary?
Do 25% of PoliceMen, PoliceWomen, Doctors, Teachers, Lawyers, Chefs, also have a ‘Mental Disorder’?
Is every problem in life a ‘Mental Disorder’?
Are there too many ‘Professionals’ sponging off the UK Welfare State?
The Hearing Voices Network is supposed to be a Peer Group. And if it is a Peer Group then the last thing that’s needed is a Professional inside in the room!
“….New research supports a new, dialogic, non-medicalized approach to helping people who hear upsetting voices…”
If it does – its very late in the day!
Yes Steve,
That is definitely true.
“Psychosis” can also be part of the normal bereavement process. And the normal post partum process.
It’s not an abnormal condition.
I believe 50% of prescriptions for the drug Seroquel, are for sleep problems. At lower doses of 25 mg to 150mg, Seroquel is an antihistamine.
Exactly – I believe largactil (thorazine) was originally used on sheep. And then used as an industrial processing chemical.
As qualified doctors Psychiatists are trusted and can also appear intelligent.
The idea in the “early days of medication” was that Neuroleptic Drugs created a state of indifference in so called Schizophrenics and provided a solution. But the obvious problem was that the people taking these drugs needed “continual looking after” on account of their drug lethargy. So this approach was not much of a solution.
Psychologists and therapists go through great lengths attempting to talk people into wellness but most of the time this doesn’t work.
What works, in my opinion, is an attempt to acquire a state of mind of calmness or Equanimity which can be developed to a necessary level with practice….
… I know this works.
Psychosis can occur when a person goes mad as a result of a poisoning. Alternatively psychosis can occur when a person withdraws too quickly from Neuroleptic (aka “anti psychotic”) Drugs.
Sometimes people that experience strange ideas or hallucinations might be termed psychotic, but a person like this, generally speaking, is not genuinely Psychotic.
Psychiatrists and very often Psychologists abuse the term psychosis, and this is because they need to increase the importance of their work.
I used psychological techniques (with slow drug withdrawal) to overcome my psychiatric situation. The diagnosis in my case was extreme – but I managed to move on successfully, without much help from professionals.
We Need To Stop Treating Adolescence As A Mental Health Disorder
Comment – Joanna William’s November 30 2022
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/30/need-stop-treating-adolescence-mental-health-disorder/
I think Dr Stone might have been “helped along the way”.
It’s possible that “Nobody With Psychosis” might be hired, because a “person with psychosis” might not even know where they were. If a person had recovered and was fairly represented, then there might be no reason not to hire them.
Tinnitus or wringing in the ears is a very distressing condition but it is not a Mental Illness (as far as I know). A person hearing voices might be more than capable of neutralizing the effect of “voices”, (and hireable).
In my own case the claim to “diagnosis” came from a Dr Barry Leonard Stone of the Maudsley, attempting to pass off my normal internal social thought, as the hearing of external ‘voices’ – i.e. Malpractice.
Dr Barry Leonard Stone committed suicide on 11 October 1999 at the age of 51
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/
214245905/barry-leonard-stone
(No disrespect intended).
Exactly, Birdsong
Not so long ago a Psychiatric nurse told me (sympathetically) that a person could be killed for reporting deaths caused by psychiatric drugs.
The Problem within Psychiatry is the Scale and History of these Avoidable Killings.
There are lots of “intelligent” people that work in Psychiatry :- but the idea that Psychiatric drugs are a Medicine that can make people better in the long run – is just nonsense.
Dr Joanna Moncrieff and colleagues have recently published a convincing Research Paper on the ineffectiveness of SSRI drugs like Lexapro.
But there are other people that are now attempting to raise the SSRI s from the dead.
“..the-serotonin-zombie-authors-of-new-study-try-to-breathe-new-life-into-the-dead..”
(…Spellbinding…sometimes people think psychiatric drugs are effective because – they feel so terrible when they try to come off them).
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I wrote in to Doctors, The Irish Medical Council and many other places in 2012 /2013 regarding the lethal effects of the Neuroleptic Drug Modecate, (Fluphenazine) which is on the WHO list of Essential Medicines – and which nearly killed me several times.
I notice in 2013 that Fluphenazine was “mysteriously” taken off the market in the US.
I came off this deadly drug in 1984, replacing it with straightforward stress management techniques, to become independent of Psychiatry.
(The whole thing is a Fraud)
Peter,
“…I am therefore convinced that it is primarily due to my tenacity that the usage went down in Denmark…” I was just thinking this as I was reading.
I took antidepressants in the 1980s – and they had no emotional effects – which is what most people I’ve met have said about them.
I didn’t consider antidepressants to be toxic in the 1980s, but I would consider them to be toxic now.
The Mental Illness Epidemic is a creation – there was nothing like this before. But the damage is genuine.
Hi Robert
The MH system is more or less broken in every country in the world and getting worse. Mental Health drugs (tranquillisers), don’t work in the long term and usually disable.
The problem in the Global Economy is that politicians have got to play up to Pharmaceutical companies to keep their jobs. The taxpayer is then left to pay for the disabling drugs and the disability.
In Ireland theres no difference between Fianna Fail, Fine Gael or Sinn Feinn – and they all promote “Mental Illness”.
In the UK the Conservatives under Rishi Sunak are much the same as Labour under Sir Keir Starmer .
Democracy is also gone – its finished.
‘Non professionals’ like ‘Will Hall’ recover, the people that follow Psychiatry don’t. Most people that recover use similar methods to Will Hall.
Psychiatry can only offer Tranquillisers – and Tranquillisers don’t work
Professor – consuming Ritalin causes ADHD is this what you’re saying?
I believe you!
I was okay refusing Neuroleptics when I was 20, but when I was 23 and I tried to come off them I was definitely feeling desperate! The original symptoms were concocted, but I still felt I was going crazy when I attempted to withdraw.
(But years later I feel okay – a lot of the time. And I did manage to stop taking the medication).
Hi Robert,
I agree with you. I didn’t benefit much from psychiatric treatments in the early 1980s. But I was able to access alternatives that worked better than the Psychiatric “Medications”.
The Psychiatrist I was seeing in 1983 offered me the chance to abruptly withdraw from psychiatric drugs, with poor results. And then a very poor Diagnosis of Longterm Schizophrenia.
I managed after this to successfully reduce the worst of the medications and to return to normal life, as a result. Through the years the rest of the drugs went to one side of their own accord.
The psychiatric drug exposure between 1980 and 1983 had distorted me, and could have turned me into a long term psychiatric patient.
Potentially Disabling Anxiety was my biggest Problem. But I was able to find a route out of this, through trial and error.
The type of Approach that worked for me in the 1980s is also covered by Eckhart Tolle in “The Power Of Now”
And by
Psychiatrist Dr David R Hawkins in his self help book “Letting Go”
[Anxiety is a type of Closed Space that Reinforces itself through the thought process and High Anxiety is Potentially Disabling].
Lithium is like all the other Psychiatric drugs in that – if it’s taken then it’s going to need to be taken. The patient becomes sick because of the dependency on the drug. Like all the other Psychiatric drugs Lithium leads to an early death.
(I took Lithium for a few years even though I wasn’t even ‘bipolar’. When I stopped taking the drug I developed a ‘high’ personality. But since I was on other drugs anyway there was no point in putting me on more).
From “The Power of Now” by Eckhart Tolle
Pages 63, 64
“…..Touch something â anything â and feel and acknowledge its Being. Observe the rhythm of your breathing; feel the air flowing in and out, feel the life energy inside your body. Allow everything to be, within and without. Allow the âisnessâ of all things. Move deeply into the Now.
You are leaving behind the deadening world of mental abstraction, of time. You are getting out of the insane mind that is draining you of life energy, just as it is slowly poisoning and destroying the Earth.
You are awakening out of the dream of time into the present.
ALL PROBLEMS ARE ILLUSIONS OF THE MIND
Q. It feels as if a heavy burden has been lifted. A sense of lightness. I feel clear. . . but my problems are still there waiting for me, arenât they? They havenât been solved. Am I not just temporarily evading them? If you found yourself in paradise, it wouldnât be long before your mind would say âyes, but. . . .â
A. Ultimately, this is not about solving your problems. Itâs about realizing that there are no problems. Only situations â to be dealt with now, or to be left alone and accepted as part of the âisnessâ of the present moment until they change or can be dealt with.
Problems are mind-made and need time to survive. They cannot survive in the actuality of the Now. Focus your attention on the Now and tell me what problem you have at this moment….”
In my experience it works (with practice).
Thank You for this Article Samantha,
‘Mindfulness’ is more effective than Modecate (Fluphenazine Decanoate) Depot for ‘SMI’.
My Medical Records represent this.
In Mental Health the Professionals needs to live off the patients. Whereas in real life (and I’ve seen this many times) a person can get better fairly quickly.
Thank you Peter, I like the Heading.
Hi Laura
Your story sounds fairly gruesome. But I’m glad to see that things are looking up.
I got better as a result of leaving Psychiatry (to recover from “a big diagnosis”).
WE need to start doing it for ourselves. Most of the recovered go through Psychiatry but ultimately look outside Psychiatry for solutions. And People do find their solutions outside the Professional services.
I believe there’s already a shortage of Psychiatrists in the UK (and Ireland) which is a good thing – as Drug Psychiatry has no answers.
Besides this the country can’t afford to pay for lots and lots of invalids – that could get completely well. The Eyes need to Open.
Hi Daniel,
Nice to see you again.
What you say about psychotherapy doesn’t surprise me at all!
Amy Winehouse spoke with a friend on the night she passed, they said she was in a happy and positive frame of mind; and that she mentioned she would be prepared to give up everything she had, just to be able to walk down the street without being recognised.
Thank You Richard,
This is good news.
I attend peer groups all the time (but not for intervention).
“…Stopping antipsychotic use is associated with recovery rates that are six times higher compared to those still using the drugs….”
The British Psychological Society claim to be able to successfully treat conditions described as Schizophrenia in the same way as they might treat Social Anxiety or Shyness.
I believe the Psychologists CAN and I can describe HOW:- Through very careful withdrawal from Psychiatric drugs and the use of Effective Anxiety Reduction Methods.
A doctor friend of mine told me that he had attempted several times to take patients off ‘antipsychotics’ – but without success.
Antipsychotic drugs are very difficult to discontinue as they create a type of “drug induced high anxiety” which surfaces on drug withdrawal.
Antipsychotic drugs are also ‘hyperbolic’ – which means that withdrawing from even low doses can result in problems (bamboozling a person into thinking they’re ‘sick’).
I was lucky to be able to come off ‘antipsychotics’ – as I was initially satisfied with a reduction in medication that reduced my disabling side effects and allowed me to get on with life.
I was also able to access effective Non Drug Approaches to overcome my ‘drug withdrawal high anxiety’. Without these Approaches I would NOT have Recovered.
I was finally prescribed Seroquel at 25mg/day – which had only antihistamine effect, and easy to stop.
I spent a number of years really struggling in the Psychiatric System even though the original ‘Schizophrenia’ had been “medically game played”.
There wasn’t much ‘depression’ until Prozac entered the market – as a treatment – in the later part of the 1980s. Now ‘depression’ is a major illness, even though Prozac has been proven NOT to work most of the time.
Daisy Valley,
Medication-induced OCD is very real.
The ‘conditions for diagnosis’ are purely off the top of a Psychiatrists head – but the psychiatric treatment locks the person in.
A friend of mine looked after plenty of people who ‘went off the rails’ on marijuana – he told me that if they stopped smoking they mostly recovered.
IMO “Cannabis Lunacy” is NOT a form of “Schizophrenia” – it’s a form of “intoxication”.
I have never seen anyone smoke cannibas regularly without developing some form of ‘Cannibas Lunacy’. I can’t understand why this is not recognised.
Schizophrenia or Marijuana
A 2nd generation Caribbean Person in the UK, is 10 times more likely to be diagnosed with ‘Schizophrenia’ than a member of the UK indigenous population. I wonder if this is ‘Schizophrenia’ or Marijuana.
One of the reasons ‘Schizophrenia’ is considered to be ‘Schizophrenia’ is that a ‘Schizophrenic Person’ can go ‘Mad’ if they stop taking their ‘Medication’. But anyone can go Mad if they try to stop taking this type of ‘Medication’ – whether they were originally judged ‘Schizophrenic’ or not.
I believe the ‘Medical Standard’ is that if a person runs into problems fairly quickly when they attempt to withdraw from a ‘medication’ then the problem is likely to be linked to ‘Withdrawal Syndome’. But if the person runs into problems later on it might be linked to ‘Relapse’.
Most people abruotly withdrawing from ‘Schizophrenic Medications’ run into problems fairly quickly.
“…Only when psychotic does a person have certainty. ..”
Yes definitely.
I never heard ‘voices’ myself even though the doctor in 1980 tried to make out I did – by representing the normal social thought inside my head, as a ‘hallucination’ outside of my head. This doctor committed suicide in October of 1999.
I imagine persecutory ‘voices’ to be designed to negatively preoccupy a person. A solution might be to concentrate on the physical effects of the experience – to ‘anchor’ the mind and ‘process’ the feelings.
Thank You Dr Fontaine,
I replaced Long Acting Neuroleptic Depot Injections with the types of Psychological Principles that you describe in your article.
The CBT term “Catastrophisation” is a brilliant expression because it humanizes distress in a way that most people can identify with. I suffered from a lot of “Catastrophisation” in my attempts to withdraw from psychiatric drugs.
The CBT term “Emotional Reasoning” is also very pertinent, as this is exactly what I do when I am Catastrophic. If I can avoid Reasoning Emotionally I can eventually see things in a Neutral or Non Distressed manner. Recognising this, is how I managed to withdraw from my “Neuroleptic Depot Injection”!
Hi
“…This leads me to believe that the manic episode was truly induced by both stress and marijuana, and that Invega may have been necessary to bring me back out of it…”
I was put on Lithium in the 1980s – for no real reason -and when I came off this drug I developed a type of “over the top” personality for a number of years. So “Bi Polar” (IMO) can be drug induced.
When I attempted to come off all Psychiatric ‘Medications’ (abruptly – with permission) things didn’t work out so well. But I did manage to cut down very slowly over a number of years. The main problem I experienced with coming off psychiatric drugs was “Drug Withdrawal – High Anxiety”.
Once I learnt how to cope with the “High Anxiety” – I felt everything was going to be ok.
From the Article:-
“….Ms French said it was âvery upsettingâ when the dangers of benzodiazepines emerged in the 1980s, noting she watched a documentary about a man who said coming off the drugs was harder for him than his stint fighting on the front lines of the Second World War…”
I believe “xanax” was the drug that nearly drove Psychologist Dr Jordan Peterson “mad” and almost killed him.
My experience of coming off Fluphenazine (neuroleptic depot injection) was one of chemically induced almost disabling PTSD. I had to find ways of working around the “PTSD” rather than overcoming it.
In my experience “antipsychotic” drugs cause the conditions they are prescribed to treat. If a person is given these drugs to improve their “mental health”, there is a good chance that they will ultimately end up longterm mentally disabled – as a result.
Good Point, Birdsong.
Exactly!
THE IRISH EXAMINER June 27 2022
“…The most common of these disorders was insomnia disorder, with 15% affected…alcohol use disorder at 9%…and generalized anxiety disorder at 7%….”
“…Dr Fox said that approximately one-in-nine adults in Ireland have at some point attempted to end their own life and that having a mental health disorder makes this much more likely….” (#Akathisia?).
Thank You Jenny,
From the Above Article:-
“….about half of the population will meet the criteria for a psychiatric diagnosis at some point…”
They Already Do (- in Ireland) :-
Irish Examiner, 27 June 2022, Ryan O Rourke :-
” ….42% of Irish adults have a mental health disorder and and over 10% have attempted suicide..”
(Google for Study Article)
This could mean that 42% of Irish Professionals, Politicians, Lawyers, Doctors, Teachers, Lecturers, Soldiers, Psychiatrists, Psychologists, are Mentally Disordered.
The Evidence:-
“..The study, which was carried out by academics from Maynooth University, National College of Ireland and Trinity College Dublin, is the first comprehensive assessment of the occurrence of multiple mental health disorders and attempted suicide in the Republic of Ireland…”
Shocking Conclusion:-
Even Psychologists and Psychiatrists (from Maynooth University, National College Ireland and Trinity College) that prepared this Study, are quite likely Mentally Disordered.
The whole idea of NOT taking psychedelics was that these drugs could mess a person’s brain up, and cause longterm problems.
Prior to the introduction of SSRI s in 1980 (plus) there was NO Depression. People took it for granted that they might be happy or unhappy, but identifying with Depression showed a person up as a loser.
These days if the “anti depressants” don’t work and the person complains – they might get a shocking (whether they want it or not).
Bob, as regards Disability Benefit – the UK claimants are probably GENUINELY Disabled as a result of exposure to the “AntiDepressants” – I very nearly ended up like this myself.
I have never Heard Voices myself but I am interested in the Subject.
The London Hearing Voices Network appears only to have meetings during normal office hours – which to me completely defeats the idea of a “Peer Group”.
I would have thought that a Hearing Voices Network would operate outside of normal working hours with (personally experienced) people helping newer arrivals.
Professionals are the last thing needed in a Peer Group.
If you take the drugs over a period of time, and feel terrible when you stop, you could easily believe the drugs are effectively treating an illness.
In My Experience:-
The approach represented in this book here:-
https://youtu.be/CqLU8nKau1M
…Works better than this Drug here:
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION âA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
From National University Ireland Galway 2021
1 in 3 UK Teens Given Antidepressants Despite Official Guidelines. Where is this likely to lead?
“….I think that in many ways Shipman was a victim of a system that didnât protect him when he needed it most. ..”
What about Nurse Beverly Allitt (Wikipedia)
“…English serial child killer who was convicted of murdering four children, attempting to murder three other children, and causing grievous bodily harm to a further six.[1]..”
“…attempting to murder three other children..”
In My Case:- I Do Have The Evidence
But there have been so many people in Ireland killed on this drug (Fluphenazine) – the authorities “don’t want to get involved”.
I believe withdrawal from psychiatric “medication” can cause short term, and long term OCD.
THE BIOLOGICAL CREATION OF “SCHIZOPHRENIA”
“Schizophrenia” is supppsed to be a long term mental illness. So how is it possible to diagnose it?
I believe a person is often considered “Schizophrenic” if they relapse as a result of stopping medication.
I “relapsed”several times and ended up in hospital, until I went back on medication, and slowly tapered – and could only then withdraw from treatment and remain well.
I also had to find a way to deal with my dreadful ‘psychiatric drug withdrawal anxiety’.
But I didn’t originally have the necessary symptoms for a “Schizophrenic Diagnosis” – the symptoms had been game played.
Most people are probably like me – they become “Schizophrenic” through co operating with psychiatric treatment.
I would presume that if Doctor Harold Shipman (Wikipedia) had unsucessfully set up a situation whereby another one of his patients might lose their life – he would still be prosecuted. But this doesn’t seem to happen in Mental Health even though the unexpected death rate can be quite high.
Thank You John Read and Jeffrey Masson,
Biological Psychiatry is still murdering âSchizophrenicsâ.
I nearly died several times at Galway, on the below drugs:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION âA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
From National University Ireland Galway 2021
Suicide Associated with Akathisia and Depot Fluphenazine Treatment 1983
SHEAR, M. KATHERINE MD; FRANCES, ALLEN MD; WEIDDN, PETER MD
Psychiatric Times June 18 2014
ââŠPatients with schizophrenia were each given 20 mg of fluphenazine, the difference between the highest and lowest blood level of the drug was 40-foldâŠâ
When I relocated to the UK (in 1986), I asked Doctors at Galway if they would send an ADR Warning concerning Fluphenazine to the UK, and they assured me they would. But they didnât, they misrepresented me instead.
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Interpretation
https://youtu.be/F2s9Mn5EqeU
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The Patents have expired, so it might be time to move on to the next thing.
If what Elon Musk says is true – there is NO Energy Crisis
https://youtube.com/shorts/FvL_l0OqVzE?feature=share
Peter,
We’ll have to wait and see – what it means!
“..Less than 25% of people respond to Antidepressants..”
is something we already know – and is not very optimistic.
It might be possible also, that quite a few people get very little benefit – but are incapable of stopping.
And …What’s to be done about the Fact, that the rate of Mental Health Disability has increased quite a bit since Antidepressants came into common use..?
Robert, I have NO difficulty understanding where you’re coming from.
“Anxiety/Depression” is a genuinely terrible thing but there are non chemical solutions to Anxiety – and there can be an end to Anxiety.
I believe a lot of teenagers today are supposed to suffer from a certain amount of ‘anxiety’ – and this is often seen as “illness”.
Personally, I was raised in a Catholic background, where ‘suffering’ was seen not as an illness but as part of life..
Fortunately for me as I progressed into my 20s, I was able to get a handle on ‘my Anxiety’, and to happily avoid a lot of unnecessary suffering.
Dear Carol and Russell,
I’m very sorry to hear about the loss of your daughter, Catherine. Thank you for the hard work you have done in attempting to expose the terrible treatment of vulnerable people within the Psychiatric System.
I consumed antipsychotics (between the age of 20 and 24) and suffered from chronic and acute Akathisia; attempting suicide twice as a result.
I regained my health and independence through carefully stopping this treatment.
“…During his training, he recalls, his professors had told him that stopping antidepressants was fairly easy….”
The Professors should go back to school.
As slow as is needed – maybe.
MAYBE WE DONâT NEED PSYCHIATRY
If a âSeverely Diagnosed Personâ can come off the (below) drugs Independently – and Cost Nothing and make Full Recovery:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION âA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
[For Recent STUDY â copy and google above heading]
And if as Reported:-
ââŠOver 40% of Irish adults have mental health disorder, study findsâŠâ
Irish Times Mon Jun 27 2022 â 19:21
ââŠThe study, which was carried out by academics from Maynooth University, National College of Ireland and Trinity College DublinâŠâ
BRIEF EXPLANATION
I was placed on Disabling and Suicidally inductive Fluphenazine Decanoate in 1980.
Following complaint, I was given permission in 1983, to abruptly withdraw from these drugs â and ended up in Galway University Hospial.
By 1984 I was considered hopeless.
I then decided to taper very carefully from these drugs. I also learned how to cope (through trial and error), with my drug withdrawal anxiety.
I regained my ability to function and was no longer Suicidal as a result of successfully coming off these drugs; and have remained well since (1984 -2022).
The original âdiagnosisâ had been âSchizophreniaâ
Depression was more or less invented alongside Prozac in the 1980s.
Richard
To be truthful the AA does work. The AA is not commercial but the Rehab industry is very commercial.
There are lots of things people object to regarding the AA – but these issues do not present themselves as actual problems within the fellowship.
“…Unfortunately, for most, antidepressants donât work..”
I was prescribed tricyclic “anti depressant” Prothiaden in the 1980s, and consumed it until 1990.
AND:- Going on Prothiaden made No difference; Being on Prothiaden made No difference; and Coming Off Prothiaden made No difference.
But I wasn’t Clinically Depressed to Begin With.
MAYBE WE DON’T NEED ANY PSYCHIATRISTS OR ANY PSYCHOLOGISTS…
..If a ‘Severely Diagnosed Person’ can come off the below drugs independently and Cost Nothing, and make Full Recovery:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION âA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
[For Recent STUDY – copy and google above heading]
…and if…
“…Over 40% of Irish adults have mental health disorder, study finds…”
Irish Times Mon Jun 27 2022 – 19:21
“…The study, which was carried out by academics from Maynooth University, National College of Ireland and Trinity College Dublin…”
BRIEF EXPLANATION
I was placed on Disabling and Suicidally inductive Fluphenazine Decanoate in 1980.
Following complaint, I was given permission in 1983, to abruptly withdraw from these drugs – and ended up in Galway University Hospial.
By 1984 I was considered hopeless.
I then decided to taper very carefully from these drugs. I also learned how to cope (through trial and error), with my drug withdrawal anxiety.
I regained my ability to function and was no longer Suicidal as a result of successfully coming off these drugs; and have remained well since (1984 -2022).
The original “diagnosis” had been “Schizophrenia”
When I complained in Ireland about nearly losing my life on psychiatric drugs, a psychiatrist sympathised with me, but stated that this was not just something that happened in Ireland, but in every other country as well.
How can any “genuine Medicine” NOT be aware after 30 years of usage, that this type of drug has very little value.
(I remember attending an ‘Event’ a few years ago in Central London where a learned Mental Health Lawyer and Tribunal Judge, stated that if psychiatrists were to acknowledge the effects of psychiatric drugs, they would not be able to prescribe them.
His actual point was that it was reasonable enough for a Psychiatrist not to acknowledge Psychiatric Abuse).
âTrauma-Informed Careâ Left Me More Traumatised Than Ever”
I could very easily picture that it would.