With birth control and advanced technology, there is no such thing as a genuine shortage of resources. Theres more than enough to go around (- even enough for some people to have more).
Thanks Will,
It needs to be said that this Epidemic could result in a culling of vulnerable people. Those Labelled “mentally Ill”are generally in poorer health (as people at the most discriminated level generally are) plus the fact that they are likely to get the poorest standard medical treatment.
[Even though I’ve been well for the past 30 years; in the last few years I have come across some diabolical “attempted taking advantage of”; which I have been prepared to challenge].
The native Americans said that they didn’t like the white people because they looked needy all the time and they treated each other badly and that they thought the white people were MAD. The Native Americans also said that nobody could OWN the land – they couldn’t.
The situation now is that one group of people believe they should own everything, even when there is more than ENOUGH for everyone, especially with the advances in the TECHNOLOGY of Supply and Production.
There is NOW no shortage whatsoever, in Resources.
I’ve got enough toilet paper to last me a few more days, but I don’t know what’s going to happen after.
Thank you Paula,
“..In the United States and other countries that have a military, there is often a great deal of talk about supporting veterans, but way too often, research aimed at learning what will be helpful is misguided and can even be harmful…” …very harmful!
I hope I’m not too far off topic!
I suffered from neuroleptic withdrawal “PTSD”; and It often took the form of “Anxiety” or “High Anxiety”.
This type of Advice from Eckhart Tolle really works:-
“…I have a long-standing and deep curiosity about the phenomenon of psychosis…”
What would you describe as psychosis?
Why don’t pharmaceutical companies just tax Americans, instead of poisoning them?
What is the rationale for the fact that there’s so much more of it going on now?
The rationale might be that there are a lot more people around than are needed and a long-term mentally disabled person doesn’t need to be provided with a non job to keep them busy.
“…The majority of people taking antidepressant medications have never had major depressive disorder…” I’d say that, that’s about right.
These people run the risk of developing serious iatrogenic damage and disability. They could very well become chemically psychiatric as a result of following Medical Advice.
The symptoms of street drugs can match “schizophrenia”, and the symptoms of alcohol withdrawal or alcoholism can match “schizophrenia”. But these situations can be very successfully and quickly dealt with in 12 Step Programs – unless “other parties” want to capitalise.
‘Antipsychotics’ can definitely create positive symptoms of Insanity (Akathisia). The negative symptoms of “schizophrenia” are equivalent to ‘complete demotivation’ – what ‘antipsychotics’ are designed to create.
I notice on inspection of Patient Information Leaflets for SSRIs like Lexapro and Prozac that the information is very vague and confusing.
Patient Information Leaflets.
If the Patient Information Leaflets clearly described Akathisia, or Serotonin Syndrome, or Tardive Dyskinesia – then the consumer would know what to ‘Watch Out For’. But they don’t:- they ‘go around in circles’ in such a way as to ‘successfully mislead’.
And this has resulted in an increase in USA health and life expectancy?
What’s happened to the profession of “Psychology”.
Why are they “lying down” when it’s not in their interest?
With “Schizophrenia” – the only Genuine Recoveries that have have come about, have been through “Psychology”, and other non pharmaceutical approaches.
My good luck was that I could tell when I was in a state of Acute Akathisia. Each time the Acute Akathisia followed a medication introduction, medication change or a medication discontinuation.
Though expressing this did not make me popular.
I was looking through Kanye Wests biography as he has been topical recently, and I noticed a lot was made of his brief (as described) “Psychosis”, which I thought was a bit ‘over the top’ considering his artistic background.
Seemingly he takes an SSRI which is a drug that is more than capable of causing “psychotic appearing” behaviour (in a minority of people). I find it strange that this does not seem to have been taken into account.
But maybe it wouldn’t be the thing to do.
Susan,
I agree with you, and I wish I could describe things in such articulate terms.
Professor Gotzsche,
BBC News – German police arrest man over high-speed rail tampering
When this man ‘messed around with the tracks’ he was arrested for Attempted Murder – and rightfully so.
There’s nothing funny about doctors playing around with pharmaceuticals and people’s lives.
Thanks for this contribution Will and Rachel.
I can identify with your disappointment at College. I felt the same way about the potential of Psychology when I was young. But Practical Psychology worked for me, when I was coming off ‘antipsychotics’ and suffering from terrible Anxiety.
In this (so called) Study UK born Afro Caribbeans are nearly 10 times more likely to ‘suffer’ from “Schizophrenia” than a UK traditional person. This can’t be realistic:-
I know that Psychiatric Drugs cause Disability and Illness and that coming off psychiatric drugs Can be very difficult, and that Doctors in Mental Health tell lies all the time – and I can prove this:-
SCHIZOPHRENIA:- Disabling Anxiety is usually the problem here, when “medication” is halted. But its possible to see this as a type of “transference”, and to reduce it by 90%.
DEPRESSION:- Life can be full of stress and unhappiness, and ‘mental illness’ goes some way in describing this.
BIPOLAR:- When unhappiness burns itself out, an extreme happiness can temporarily take over.
ADHD:- The clients are completely normal
BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER:- This is a scam.
But look at how corrupt Doctors are in MH in the UK, and how corrupt the UK General Medical Council is:-
“Over 95% of all SMI cases were perfectly sane until ….”
“Judges” have a tendency to ‘believe’ doctors, even though psychiatric ‘medications’ have been proven to cause – even homicidal and familicidal lunacy.
As far as I can see Buddhism has a lot of merit attached to it and can definitely increase happiness in life. Rufus May Doctor of Psychology in the UK (and ‘recovered person’) uses Buddhist techniques with success in his “schizophrenic curing” Work.
I don’t have opinions on Scientology because I don’t know what it is.
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‘Why don’t you want to take your medication?’
This a complete dead end question.
Psychiatry often double speaks completely normal behaviour and I notice other official people have a tendency to back this up.
I was raised a Catholic in Ireland in the 1960s and I don’t have strong opinions on Catholicism but if someone in Irish society today had strong opinions (usually “anti”) – It would be considered very normal.
Lots of people seem to have strong opinions on Scientology – which which is also usually considered to be normal.
Generally speaking Buddhist spokespeople like Richard Gere are considered normal – even though they might be very “preoccupied” with Buddhism.
GPs ‘now’ prescribe these drugs so they’re bought into responsibility with Psychiatry for outcomes, even though they mostly were not informed of the capacity of the drugs.
If the drugs go down then GPs go down.
It looks to me like things are opening up a bit in the UK (and Ireland) regarding the problems with “antidepressants”
BBC News – ‘My anti-depressant withdrawal was worse than depression’
I don’t think the BBC would represent this type of article, even a year ago.
I think the momentum is due to patient and persistent human rights campaigning.
Unfortunately sticking to their guns means killing children; when these children could ultimately overcome their gloom.
I think I’m a good example of someone who can reliably “say” that “antipsychotics” cause “Schizophrenia” as the circumstances surrounding my Original (1980) Diagnosis were quite odd, the Formulation was odd, and the History was factually inaccurate.
The original UK (Diagnosis Formulation) Doctor “committed suicide” around 2000, and the original Irish (Diagnosis Formulation) Doctor was barred from practising medicine within 6 months of this “suicide”.
I ended up in hospital several times (1983/84) when I attempted to discontinue “antipsychotics” and was more seriously diagnosed each time.
The prescribed depot “medication” had been causing extrapyrammidal disability, and when I stopped taking it, I was able to return to normal work and a normal longterm life (1984 – 2020).
I can describe the psychological means with which I was able to deal with ‘drug withdrawal syndrome’ when I came off “antipsychotics” – which was similar to a Step No 3, in a 12 Step Fellowship.
I don’t believe in “Schizophrenia”. I don’t believe drugs like Cannibas cause “Schizophrenia” – they might cause ‘fuzzy thinking’, which usually abates with discontinuation.
Dear Dr Peter,
Its too big a scam to be allowed to collapse and there’s lots and lots of money changing hands. At this stage we’d need to Prosecute entire National Medical Councils and I don’t know if this would be likely to happen.
We don’t compulsararily trust Priests in Ireland, and we need to take the same approach towards Doctors (for common sense reasons).
“….psychiatrists are the only people in the state who can have anyone locked up without their having committed a crime and can do so with impunity…”
And sometimes without evidence.
CoronaVirus + Social Justice
I have viewed a very informative corona virus, Joe Rogan interview, featuring epidemology expert Michael Osterholm
Who stated that in China most older men 70 yrs + smoked, and those infected with the Corona Virus had a 10% chance of dying; while most older infected (non smoking) Chinese women had a much lower 2 % chance of dying.
Michael Osterholm stated that In the USA smoking wouldn’t be a great problem; but OBESITY affecting 40 yr + males would present serious problems, affecting the death rate.
According to the todays Sunday Express, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, has ordered all 70 yr + people to stay at home, but has NOT placed a similar enforcement order on middleaged OBESE men.
..and doctors are covering up.
But unfortunately in Ireland there are quite a few people already locked up in the Central Mental Hospital for “dangerously acting out” on “antidepressants”..
…evidence of this Suppression is that the Psychiatric Drug Treatment is NOT presented by the Defence as the most likely cause for the Defendants Behaviour.
AKATHISIA
[..It is Medical Fact that Psychiatric Drugs can drive Normal People MAD enough to Kill their Loved Ones..]
“Antipsychotics” themselves cause “Schizophrenia”, I “relapsed” several times when I was given permission to come off them abruptly.
But when I tapered very carefully, I was able to make full Recovery from “Schizophrenia”.
The drugs can drive people MAD but people are not being adequately warned.
When the drugs cause suicide – “..it’s just too bad..”
and when the drugs cause homicide
“..the person is charged with murder..”
I’m not all that expert on “Depression” but “Anxiety” is a good one for me. Anxiety is also I believe quite close to depression.
Anxiety is not an illness. Anxiety responds to straight forward psychological approaches that can be accessed organically (i.e. without professional contact). And what works for Normal Anxiety also works for Extreme Anxiety.
“Depression is the same as Diabetes” is in my opinion just “Silly Talk”.
I thought “Mental Illness” was a figure of speech, until I noticed medical staff with very serious and dedicated expressions on their faces promoting it as true. God help us!
Italians are naturally a very soft hearted people, as are Americans.
Thanks Noel,
There is Good News.
I know lots and lots of people that have experienced feral upbringings and extreme hardship that have completely recovered with the support of Independent Self Help Groups.
One reason is because these drugs can drive some people completely MAD.
BBC News – ‘My anti-depressant withdrawal was worse than depression’
If a person earns a “Good Living” from “Psychosis”, then anything can be “Psychosis”.
Autism and not exactly Autism.
I’m just reading the rest of the article now – and some of it is very sad!
It’s good to see you writing on MIA again!
Thank you Noel,
This article brings my history home to me. I was going around the place under the influence of compulsive anxiety practically all the time. But thankfully it’s not like that at all now.
The anxiety was drug withdrawal induced and therefore quite irrational to any “counsellor”. I learned my own ways of coping (which worked).
As a Catholic I never expected to be happy, so life is in a sense a bonus.
“…. I am also grieving the life I will never have, isolation and poverty…”
I hope not! I hope your life turns out very well.
There was a time when a graduate education guaranteed a person a good income. Does this still apply today?
Rachel777,
We know the score:- More people recovered before the arrival of medication than after the arrival of medication; and more people moved back to independence; and life expectancy was more or less the same as average.
Frank,
Most people that earn a good living do it through funny handshakes, there’s not much difference between a welfare check and the average wage packet.
In the UK most of the welfare administrators, are on supportive welfare themselves.
It’s only common sense! This is where the whole thing should be going!
When something like this happens in Ireland, not once is Akathisia mentioned.
According to “Mental Health”, if you suffer from “Bipolar” – there is no cure.
I got my Practical Psychology ‘organically’:-
Dr Wayne W Dyer (author of ‘Your Erroneous Zones’) was one of the innovators I studied.
Its very important as well, that Psychologists don’t “milk” the system at the expense of the “sufferer”.
Hi Alex
“….the most direct and powerful condemnation of psychiatry and psychatirsts that I’ve ever seen coming from within the industry. …”
It’s the only way to do it!
“Deteriorate” is probably a good word.
According to Dr David Healys Historical Research 1896 to1996 at North Wales: A hundred plus, years before the ‘arrival of medication’ a ‘Schizophrenic person’ was NOT more likely than the average person, to take their own life. But that a ‘Present Day Schizophrenic Person’ ‘consuming medication’ is about 20 TIMES more likely than the average person, to take their own life.
Every hospitalization I experienced at Galway, Southern Ireland (bar the first) between 1980 and 1984 was a ‘suicidal event’ for me. But after (very carefully) coming off strong psychiatric drugs in 1984, I experienced no more hospitalizations; no more ‘Suicidal Events’; and no more Disability.
In my estimation Dr David Healys Historical ‘Morbidity and Mortality’ Research and Dr Joanna Moncrieffs Historical ‘Recovery’ Research combined, are Scientifically Groundbreaking.
The combined Historical Scientific Research clearly demonstrates that ‘Psychiatric Drugs’ administered in ‘UK Psychiatry Today’ are NOT helping ‘Patients’, but Disabling and (Mercy) Killing them.
What this Valuable Research Article seems to support is that more people recovered from ‘Schizophrenia’ before ‘medication arrived’ than after.
cidrols,
You have it in one. “…that MEDICATIONS ARE MORE LIKELY EXACERBATING THE PROBLEMS OF TODAY!..”
PRACTICAL PSYCHOLOGY
The way I DEALT with my ‘antipsychotic’ withdrawal “HIGH ANXIETY” was to FOCUS on how my BODY felt, and NOT on my THINKING.
WHEN my Anxiety SOFTENED, there was NO PROBLEM; and I KNEW what TO DO.
SITTING WITH FEELINGS is NOT EASY – BUT IT WORKS.
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Thank You Dr Joanna, this article is very worthwhile.
In this Study I believe 40% of the dose reduction or discontinuation group made ‘Recovery’, and 17% of the Maintenance dose group made ‘Recovery’.
I made Recovery in 1984 as a result of carefully withdrawing from depot medication (with the help of practical psychology). Dr David Healy was there at the time.
“…He believes that all diagnoses of schizophrenia are “misdiagnoses”.
“Schizophrenia doesn’t tell you anything meaningful about the cause of people’s problems, the content of their experiences or their outcome – the three things that a diagnosis should do. It’s a ragbag category. It needs to be scrapped.
I had a psychotic episode; unconscious material was coming up which was meaningful and related to my emotional past. Madness is a creative response to pain.”…”
No. The Western Ego needs to be extincted.
Hi Ron, This is a great topic. You explain the subject very clearly.
It seems to me that there are mostly two types of ‘delusions’: fear based, or ambition based.
I can understand a person thinking people are watching them or have planted microchips in their brains, if they have been on the receiving end of extreme intrusion. But I notice people can be ‘pathologically’ intrusive anyway, even as groups.
A friend of mine (who works in Mental Health) told me that that sometimes neighbours harass people to such an extent, that they only leave their houses at night.
I see ‘delusions’ as ’emotional reasoning’ – when my head is away from an idea, and I look at it again, I see it ‘rationally’. I have to do this all the time.
This Jordan Peterson Utube video is a departure on the antidepressants – it’s about a change in diet bringing miraculous results.
I think the very unfortunate situation Jordan Peterson is in, can easily be compared to ‘the end of the line situation’ for any person exposed to Psychiatric Drug Dependency Treatment.
If it wasn’t for his ‘position in life’ he mightn’t still be alive. …
…Or he might even be diagnosed now as “Schizophrenic”.
Anxiety Withdrawal was my main problem, and Will Halls advice on this is much the same as Dr Rufus Mays. And it works.
If you take your meds you remain psychiatric. But coming off the meds is difficult.
…”Borderline Personality Disorder,” “Schizophrenia,” and “Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder”…”
Every person I have ever met with “Borderline Personality Disorder,” has been a really decent person – with anything but a disorder.
“Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder” I’ve got a friend and he’s got 6 children and he maintains that even the Dalai Lama would find looking after 6 children difficult. Normal children have a lot of energy.
I support the idea that drugs make people sick. I used to support Psychology (because I had good experiences) but I realise now that this system can be abused as well.
The whole Idea about heavy metal I thought, was to go ‘crazy’!
THERES NO SUCH THING AS LEGITIMATE “MENTAL HEALTH DIAGNOSIS” IN THE UK:- AS PER GMC
Even though there is no Death Sentence in Western Europe – A person can be literally killed in Psychiatry.
With any other ‘medicine’ the evidence of illness can be seen on the chart, and can’t be played with. But with Psychiatry a ‘doctor’ can invent anything they want, and this will be backed up by the next ‘doctor’.
“..so that we can invest our money in curing therapies…” even the most basic Psychotherapeutic principles can cure the so called “major mental illnesses”.
Psychiatric Drugs are profoundly disabling – even, for people that have been misdiagnosed or were not mentally ill to begin with.
Exposure to Psychiatric Drugs can cause ‘Mental Illness’ even in well people, through the creation of changes to the brain.
“Schizophrenia” is a Serious, Long Term Disabling Disorder.
“Schizophrenia” was a Serious Long Term Disabling Disorder for me for about 5 years, until I carefully stopped medical treatments “suitable ” for “Schizophrenia”.
Most people in the Western World have eating problems. Most people in the Western World consume food that will eventually kill them.
It was Hitler himself (I believe), who put an end to the Psychiatric Killings.
I love his lectures as well!
“…He used to defend antidepressants, so I hope he comes with a different perspective after this event….”
He might very well.
My impression in the UK is that “the mooted right wing Newspaper”, the “Daily Mail” is very fair in its representation of “Mental Health Treatments”.
Hi,
I don’t believe ‘antipsychotics’ make people safer, I believe on balance that Psychiatric Drugs make Society a lot more unsafe.
Hi registeredforthissite,
“…People with horrible personalities who unwarrantedly hurt people who have done no wrong to them, who consistently lie etc..”
I’ve witnessed some dreadful game playing within the Mental Health System in the UK, and the total incapacity of any complaint system, and I have only been on the Mental Health periphery. I’ve witnessed doctors in telling outright lies and covering up for other bent doctors.
But I also have a very tricky (though very dated) history, and this might be why I’m coming across this type of medical uselessness.
My natural tendency is to defend myself and I have been doing this to the best of my ability and resources.
You have it in one!
Apologies:- for wrongly spelling the UK Researchers Name, (above):- It is Professor Martin Knapp of the LSE ; NOT Professor Robert Knappe
With birth control and advanced technology, there is no such thing as a genuine shortage of resources. Theres more than enough to go around (- even enough for some people to have more).
Thanks Will,
It needs to be said that this Epidemic could result in a culling of vulnerable people. Those Labelled “mentally Ill”are generally in poorer health (as people at the most discriminated level generally are) plus the fact that they are likely to get the poorest standard medical treatment.
[Even though I’ve been well for the past 30 years; in the last few years I have come across some diabolical “attempted taking advantage of”; which I have been prepared to challenge].
The native Americans said that they didn’t like the white people because they looked needy all the time and they treated each other badly and that they thought the white people were MAD. The Native Americans also said that nobody could OWN the land – they couldn’t.
The situation now is that one group of people believe they should own everything, even when there is more than ENOUGH for everyone, especially with the advances in the TECHNOLOGY of Supply and Production.
There is NOW no shortage whatsoever, in Resources.
I’ve got enough toilet paper to last me a few more days, but I don’t know what’s going to happen after.
Thank you Paula,
“..In the United States and other countries that have a military, there is often a great deal of talk about supporting veterans, but way too often, research aimed at learning what will be helpful is misguided and can even be harmful…” …very harmful!
I hope I’m not too far off topic!
I suffered from neuroleptic withdrawal “PTSD”; and It often took the form of “Anxiety” or “High Anxiety”.
This type of Advice from Eckhart Tolle really works:-
https://youtu.be/LiEU84nHEcY
“…I have a long-standing and deep curiosity about the phenomenon of psychosis…”
What would you describe as psychosis?
Why don’t pharmaceutical companies just tax Americans, instead of poisoning them?
What is the rationale for the fact that there’s so much more of it going on now?
The rationale might be that there are a lot more people around than are needed and a long-term mentally disabled person doesn’t need to be provided with a non job to keep them busy.
“…The majority of people taking antidepressant medications have never had major depressive disorder…” I’d say that, that’s about right.
These people run the risk of developing serious iatrogenic damage and disability. They could very well become chemically psychiatric as a result of following Medical Advice.
The symptoms of street drugs can match “schizophrenia”, and the symptoms of alcohol withdrawal or alcoholism can match “schizophrenia”. But these situations can be very successfully and quickly dealt with in 12 Step Programs – unless “other parties” want to capitalise.
‘Antipsychotics’ can definitely create positive symptoms of Insanity (Akathisia). The negative symptoms of “schizophrenia” are equivalent to ‘complete demotivation’ – what ‘antipsychotics’ are designed to create.
I notice on inspection of Patient Information Leaflets for SSRIs like Lexapro and Prozac that the information is very vague and confusing.
Patient Information Leaflets.
If the Patient Information Leaflets clearly described Akathisia, or Serotonin Syndrome, or Tardive Dyskinesia – then the consumer would know what to ‘Watch Out For’. But they don’t:- they ‘go around in circles’ in such a way as to ‘successfully mislead’.
And this has resulted in an increase in USA health and life expectancy?
What’s happened to the profession of “Psychology”.
Why are they “lying down” when it’s not in their interest?
With “Schizophrenia” – the only Genuine Recoveries that have have come about, have been through “Psychology”, and other non pharmaceutical approaches.
My good luck was that I could tell when I was in a state of Acute Akathisia. Each time the Acute Akathisia followed a medication introduction, medication change or a medication discontinuation.
Though expressing this did not make me popular.
I was looking through Kanye Wests biography as he has been topical recently, and I noticed a lot was made of his brief (as described) “Psychosis”, which I thought was a bit ‘over the top’ considering his artistic background.
Seemingly he takes an SSRI which is a drug that is more than capable of causing “psychotic appearing” behaviour (in a minority of people). I find it strange that this does not seem to have been taken into account.
But maybe it wouldn’t be the thing to do.
Susan,
I agree with you, and I wish I could describe things in such articulate terms.
Professor Gotzsche,
BBC News – German police arrest man over high-speed rail tampering
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51992070
When this man ‘messed around with the tracks’ he was arrested for Attempted Murder – and rightfully so.
There’s nothing funny about doctors playing around with pharmaceuticals and people’s lives.
Thanks for this contribution Will and Rachel.
I can identify with your disappointment at College. I felt the same way about the potential of Psychology when I was young. But Practical Psychology worked for me, when I was coming off ‘antipsychotics’ and suffering from terrible Anxiety.
In this (so called) Study UK born Afro Caribbeans are nearly 10 times more likely to ‘suffer’ from “Schizophrenia” than a UK traditional person. This can’t be realistic:-
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2418996/
I know that Psychiatric Drugs cause Disability and Illness and that coming off psychiatric drugs Can be very difficult, and that Doctors in Mental Health tell lies all the time – and I can prove this:-
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z2um5_6rz_ih1YqjQ_L8qG5TXsJUzQqp/view?usp=drivesdk
Removed at request of poster.
Thank you Dr Lawrence
MENTAL ILLNESS EXPLAINED
SCHIZOPHRENIA:- Disabling Anxiety is usually the problem here, when “medication” is halted. But its possible to see this as a type of “transference”, and to reduce it by 90%.
DEPRESSION:- Life can be full of stress and unhappiness, and ‘mental illness’ goes some way in describing this.
BIPOLAR:- When unhappiness burns itself out, an extreme happiness can temporarily take over.
ADHD:- The clients are completely normal
BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER:- This is a scam.
But look at how corrupt Doctors are in MH in the UK, and how corrupt the UK General Medical Council is:-
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YE0yvwaIRnpY7RjtS0TfKi8ZWMoVD1k5/view?usp=drivesdk
But look at how corrupt Doctors are in MH in the UK, and how corrupt the UK General Medical Council is:-
https://docs.google.com/document/d/157A7TyyPixRyzhSf_Mw29_c4UB88qb–skbKM6Wzy-s/edit?usp=drivesdk
Rachel777
“Over 95% of all SMI cases were perfectly sane until ….”
“Judges” have a tendency to ‘believe’ doctors, even though psychiatric ‘medications’ have been proven to cause – even homicidal and familicidal lunacy.
As far as I can see Buddhism has a lot of merit attached to it and can definitely increase happiness in life. Rufus May Doctor of Psychology in the UK (and ‘recovered person’) uses Buddhist techniques with success in his “schizophrenic curing” Work.
I don’t have opinions on Scientology because I don’t know what it is.
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‘Why don’t you want to take your medication?’
This a complete dead end question.
Psychiatry often double speaks completely normal behaviour and I notice other official people have a tendency to back this up.
I was raised a Catholic in Ireland in the 1960s and I don’t have strong opinions on Catholicism but if someone in Irish society today had strong opinions (usually “anti”) – It would be considered very normal.
Lots of people seem to have strong opinions on Scientology – which which is also usually considered to be normal.
Generally speaking Buddhist spokespeople like Richard Gere are considered normal – even though they might be very “preoccupied” with Buddhism.
GPs ‘now’ prescribe these drugs so they’re bought into responsibility with Psychiatry for outcomes, even though they mostly were not informed of the capacity of the drugs.
If the drugs go down then GPs go down.
It looks to me like things are opening up a bit in the UK (and Ireland) regarding the problems with “antidepressants”
BBC News – ‘My anti-depressant withdrawal was worse than depression’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51834456
I don’t think the BBC would represent this type of article, even a year ago.
I think the momentum is due to patient and persistent human rights campaigning.
Unfortunately sticking to their guns means killing children; when these children could ultimately overcome their gloom.
I think I’m a good example of someone who can reliably “say” that “antipsychotics” cause “Schizophrenia” as the circumstances surrounding my Original (1980) Diagnosis were quite odd, the Formulation was odd, and the History was factually inaccurate.
The original UK (Diagnosis Formulation) Doctor “committed suicide” around 2000, and the original Irish (Diagnosis Formulation) Doctor was barred from practising medicine within 6 months of this “suicide”.
I ended up in hospital several times (1983/84) when I attempted to discontinue “antipsychotics” and was more seriously diagnosed each time.
The prescribed depot “medication” had been causing extrapyrammidal disability, and when I stopped taking it, I was able to return to normal work and a normal longterm life (1984 – 2020).
I can describe the psychological means with which I was able to deal with ‘drug withdrawal syndrome’ when I came off “antipsychotics” – which was similar to a Step No 3, in a 12 Step Fellowship.
I don’t believe in “Schizophrenia”. I don’t believe drugs like Cannibas cause “Schizophrenia” – they might cause ‘fuzzy thinking’, which usually abates with discontinuation.
Dear Dr Peter,
Its too big a scam to be allowed to collapse and there’s lots and lots of money changing hands. At this stage we’d need to Prosecute entire National Medical Councils and I don’t know if this would be likely to happen.
We don’t compulsararily trust Priests in Ireland, and we need to take the same approach towards Doctors (for common sense reasons).
“….psychiatrists are the only people in the state who can have anyone locked up without their having committed a crime and can do so with impunity…”
And sometimes without evidence.
CoronaVirus + Social Justice
I have viewed a very informative corona virus, Joe Rogan interview, featuring epidemology expert Michael Osterholm
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
Who stated that in China most older men 70 yrs + smoked, and those infected with the Corona Virus had a 10% chance of dying; while most older infected (non smoking) Chinese women had a much lower 2 % chance of dying.
Michael Osterholm stated that In the USA smoking wouldn’t be a great problem; but OBESITY affecting 40 yr + males would present serious problems, affecting the death rate.
According to the todays Sunday Express, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, has ordered all 70 yr + people to stay at home, but has NOT placed a similar enforcement order on middleaged OBESE men.
..and doctors are covering up.
But unfortunately in Ireland there are quite a few people already locked up in the Central Mental Hospital for “dangerously acting out” on “antidepressants”..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Mental_Hospital
…evidence of this Suppression is that the Psychiatric Drug Treatment is NOT presented by the Defence as the most likely cause for the Defendants Behaviour.
AKATHISIA
[..It is Medical Fact that Psychiatric Drugs can drive Normal People MAD enough to Kill their Loved Ones..]
“Antipsychotics” themselves cause “Schizophrenia”, I “relapsed” several times when I was given permission to come off them abruptly.
But when I tapered very carefully, I was able to make full Recovery from “Schizophrenia”.
The drugs can drive people MAD but people are not being adequately warned.
When the drugs cause suicide – “..it’s just too bad..”
and when the drugs cause homicide
“..the person is charged with murder..”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-51302107
Where is the Corona Virus on Mad In America??
I’m just curious.
I’m not all that expert on “Depression” but “Anxiety” is a good one for me. Anxiety is also I believe quite close to depression.
Anxiety is not an illness. Anxiety responds to straight forward psychological approaches that can be accessed organically (i.e. without professional contact). And what works for Normal Anxiety also works for Extreme Anxiety.
“Depression is the same as Diabetes” is in my opinion just “Silly Talk”.
I thought “Mental Illness” was a figure of speech, until I noticed medical staff with very serious and dedicated expressions on their faces promoting it as true. God help us!
Italians are naturally a very soft hearted people, as are Americans.
Thanks Noel,
There is Good News.
I know lots and lots of people that have experienced feral upbringings and extreme hardship that have completely recovered with the support of Independent Self Help Groups.
One reason is because these drugs can drive some people completely MAD.
BBC News – ‘My anti-depressant withdrawal was worse than depression’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51834456
People recover from “Psychosis” all the time with the help of basic Psychotherapy.
Mad In America produced a Webinar earlier in the week on this subject, which is now available on Utube:
https://youtu.be/zKe5jRZfEAo
Dr Rufus May in the Webinar places a strong emphasis on “Buddhist” techniques, which seem to work for a lot of people.
Hi Ron,
I saw the Webinar and it’s also up on Utube,
https://youtu.be/zKe5jRZfEAo
Rufus has a great way about him, and I learnt a lot from the programme.
There was nothing mysterious involved. It was very straightforward.
I can prove that neuroscientists researching frantically for a cure for “schizophrenia” cannot tell the difference between akathisia and “Psychosis”.
I can prove that these neuroscientists would sooner kill psychiatric patients than acknowledge recovery from non chemical means.
I can prove what I say from my own historical and present day medical records.
“…believe it or not! ways of working with ‘delusions’ / unusual beliefs…”
https://youtu.be/zKe5jRZfEAo
This is fairly straightforward Psychology. How many people are in the wrong job?
..Even this can be “Psychosis”
BBC News – ‘My anti-depressant withdrawal was worse than depression’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51834456
It depends on what you call “Psychosis”…
If a person earns a “Good Living” from “Psychosis”, then anything can be “Psychosis”.
Autism and not exactly Autism.
I’m just reading the rest of the article now – and some of it is very sad!
It’s good to see you writing on MIA again!
Thank you Noel,
This article brings my history home to me. I was going around the place under the influence of compulsive anxiety practically all the time. But thankfully it’s not like that at all now.
The anxiety was drug withdrawal induced and therefore quite irrational to any “counsellor”. I learned my own ways of coping (which worked).
As a Catholic I never expected to be happy, so life is in a sense a bonus.
“…. I am also grieving the life I will never have, isolation and poverty…”
I hope not! I hope your life turns out very well.
There was a time when a graduate education guaranteed a person a good income. Does this still apply today?
Rachel777,
We know the score:- More people recovered before the arrival of medication than after the arrival of medication; and more people moved back to independence; and life expectancy was more or less the same as average.
Frank,
Most people that earn a good living do it through funny handshakes, there’s not much difference between a welfare check and the average wage packet.
In the UK most of the welfare administrators, are on supportive welfare themselves.
It’s only common sense! This is where the whole thing should be going!
When something like this happens in Ireland, not once is Akathisia mentioned.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/woman-accused-of-murdering-her-three-children-too-unwell-to-appear-in-court-1.4192553
cidrols,
Very insightful!
Thanks
“Cult like” is exactly right!
According to “Mental Health”, if you suffer from “Bipolar” – there is no cure.
I got my Practical Psychology ‘organically’:-
Dr Wayne W Dyer (author of ‘Your Erroneous Zones’) was one of the innovators I studied.
Its very important as well, that Psychologists don’t “milk” the system at the expense of the “sufferer”.
Hi Alex
“….the most direct and powerful condemnation of psychiatry and psychatirsts that I’ve ever seen coming from within the industry. …”
It’s the only way to do it!
“Deteriorate” is probably a good word.
According to Dr David Healys Historical Research 1896 to1996 at North Wales: A hundred plus, years before the ‘arrival of medication’ a ‘Schizophrenic person’ was NOT more likely than the average person, to take their own life. But that a ‘Present Day Schizophrenic Person’ ‘consuming medication’ is about 20 TIMES more likely than the average person, to take their own life.
Every hospitalization I experienced at Galway, Southern Ireland (bar the first) between 1980 and 1984 was a ‘suicidal event’ for me. But after (very carefully) coming off strong psychiatric drugs in 1984, I experienced no more hospitalizations; no more ‘Suicidal Events’; and no more Disability.
In my estimation Dr David Healys Historical ‘Morbidity and Mortality’ Research and Dr Joanna Moncrieffs Historical ‘Recovery’ Research combined, are Scientifically Groundbreaking.
The combined Historical Scientific Research clearly demonstrates that ‘Psychiatric Drugs’ administered in ‘UK Psychiatry Today’ are NOT helping ‘Patients’, but Disabling and (Mercy) Killing them.
What this Valuable Research Article seems to support is that more people recovered from ‘Schizophrenia’ before ‘medication arrived’ than after.
cidrols,
You have it in one. “…that MEDICATIONS ARE MORE LIKELY EXACERBATING THE PROBLEMS OF TODAY!..”
PRACTICAL PSYCHOLOGY
The way I DEALT with my ‘antipsychotic’ withdrawal “HIGH ANXIETY” was to FOCUS on how my BODY felt, and NOT on my THINKING.
WHEN my Anxiety SOFTENED, there was NO PROBLEM; and I KNEW what TO DO.
SITTING WITH FEELINGS is NOT EASY – BUT IT WORKS.
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Thank You Dr Joanna, this article is very worthwhile.
Wunderink L, Nieboer RM, Wiersma D, Sytema S, & Nienhuis FJ (2013):-
In this Study I believe 40% of the dose reduction or discontinuation group made ‘Recovery’, and 17% of the Maintenance dose group made ‘Recovery’.
I made Recovery in 1984 as a result of carefully withdrawing from depot medication (with the help of practical psychology). Dr David Healy was there at the time.
(I was originally ‘diagnosed’ in 1980).
RUFUS MAY
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/dr-rufus-may-one-man-and-a-bed-410698.html
“…He believes that all diagnoses of schizophrenia are “misdiagnoses”.
“Schizophrenia doesn’t tell you anything meaningful about the cause of people’s problems, the content of their experiences or their outcome – the three things that a diagnosis should do. It’s a ragbag category. It needs to be scrapped.
I had a psychotic episode; unconscious material was coming up which was meaningful and related to my emotional past. Madness is a creative response to pain.”…”
No. The Western Ego needs to be extincted.
Hi Ron, This is a great topic. You explain the subject very clearly.
It seems to me that there are mostly two types of ‘delusions’: fear based, or ambition based.
I can understand a person thinking people are watching them or have planted microchips in their brains, if they have been on the receiving end of extreme intrusion. But I notice people can be ‘pathologically’ intrusive anyway, even as groups.
A friend of mine (who works in Mental Health) told me that that sometimes neighbours harass people to such an extent, that they only leave their houses at night.
I see ‘delusions’ as ’emotional reasoning’ – when my head is away from an idea, and I look at it again, I see it ‘rationally’. I have to do this all the time.
This Jordan Peterson Utube video is a departure on the antidepressants – it’s about a change in diet bringing miraculous results.
https://youtu.be/A6g_geYeL4U
I think the very unfortunate situation Jordan Peterson is in, can easily be compared to ‘the end of the line situation’ for any person exposed to Psychiatric Drug Dependency Treatment.
If it wasn’t for his ‘position in life’ he mightn’t still be alive. …
…Or he might even be diagnosed now as “Schizophrenic”.
Anxiety Withdrawal was my main problem, and Will Halls advice on this is much the same as Dr Rufus Mays. And it works.
If you take your meds you remain psychiatric. But coming off the meds is difficult.
…”Borderline Personality Disorder,” “Schizophrenia,” and “Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder”…”
Every person I have ever met with “Borderline Personality Disorder,” has been a really decent person – with anything but a disorder.
“Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder” I’ve got a friend and he’s got 6 children and he maintains that even the Dalai Lama would find looking after 6 children difficult. Normal children have a lot of energy.
‘Daily Mail’ Article on February 15/16, 2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8008279/Jordan-Peterson-vilified-crusade-against-political-correctness-seriously-ill.html
I support the idea that drugs make people sick. I used to support Psychology (because I had good experiences) but I realise now that this system can be abused as well.
The whole Idea about heavy metal I thought, was to go ‘crazy’!
THERES NO SUCH THING AS LEGITIMATE “MENTAL HEALTH DIAGNOSIS” IN THE UK:- AS PER GMC
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q6XGC5jYXa2kUFOqYd4rmFPhHq_TFFzi/view?usp=drivesdk
LICENCE TO KILL
Even though there is no Death Sentence in Western Europe – A person can be literally killed in Psychiatry.
With any other ‘medicine’ the evidence of illness can be seen on the chart, and can’t be played with. But with Psychiatry a ‘doctor’ can invent anything they want, and this will be backed up by the next ‘doctor’.
Below is a example of what I’m saying:-
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B2O9wLW2gZoaSSFq0ohHMMtM6DtNNJcR/view?usp=drivesdk
The Doctor I refer to in my Letter in the LINK (above) might be a decent enough person – but with his hands tied behind his back.
Eckhart Tolle:- Break Free From Fear And Anxiety
https://youtu.be/3I5L2otW4r8
(This approach works)
Hi Rachel777
Try this one out
https://youtu.be/3I5L2otW4r8
(It Works)
“..so that we can invest our money in curing therapies…” even the most basic Psychotherapeutic principles can cure the so called “major mental illnesses”.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2020/02/review-explores-first-person-experiences-people-taking-antipsychotics/#comment-168071
Psychiatric Drugs are profoundly disabling – even, for people that have been misdiagnosed or were not mentally ill to begin with.
Exposure to Psychiatric Drugs can cause ‘Mental Illness’ even in well people, through the creation of changes to the brain.
“Schizophrenia” is a Serious, Long Term Disabling Disorder.
“Schizophrenia” was a Serious Long Term Disabling Disorder for me for about 5 years, until I carefully stopped medical treatments “suitable ” for “Schizophrenia”.
Most people in the Western World have eating problems. Most people in the Western World consume food that will eventually kill them.
It was Hitler himself (I believe), who put an end to the Psychiatric Killings.
I love his lectures as well!
“…He used to defend antidepressants, so I hope he comes with a different perspective after this event….”
He might very well.
My impression in the UK is that “the mooted right wing Newspaper”, the “Daily Mail” is very fair in its representation of “Mental Health Treatments”.
Hi,
I don’t believe ‘antipsychotics’ make people safer, I believe on balance that Psychiatric Drugs make Society a lot more unsafe.
Hi registeredforthissite,
“…People with horrible personalities who unwarrantedly hurt people who have done no wrong to them, who consistently lie etc..”
I’ve witnessed some dreadful game playing within the Mental Health System in the UK, and the total incapacity of any complaint system, and I have only been on the Mental Health periphery. I’ve witnessed doctors in telling outright lies and covering up for other bent doctors.
But I also have a very tricky (though very dated) history, and this might be why I’m coming across this type of medical uselessness.
My natural tendency is to defend myself and I have been doing this to the best of my ability and resources.
You have it in one!
Apologies:- for wrongly spelling the UK Researchers Name, (above):- It is Professor Martin Knapp of the LSE ; NOT Professor Robert Knappe