The person consumes potentially lethal medication leaves the Psychiatric Unit and ends up DEAD – medically everyone knows the medication is potentially lethal BUT nothing more is said.
The Circumstances and Details are completely confused, BUT that’s OK.
In Civilian Life if a DEAD Body is Discovered It’s NORMAL To Investigate!
(Lethal in Psychiatry can = Intoxicating)
Eckhart Tolle the author of “The Power of Now” has stated (I believe) that a person can find “what he found” – purely from the information in his book. The book itself is cheap but the information in his book can be found also, for free (If necessary) on the internet. I’ve studied his book and what’s in it works.
It’s NOT the “Schizophrenics” that are killing people; its “normal people” under the influence of potentially harmful prescribed drugs.
Michael,
For me, (even beyond compassion) the reality of the situation is that the MH System is “Ineffective” ; and there are other very good ways of overcoming distress most of the time (even today) within the community.
Somebody told me that a lot of the natural healers were targeted as “witches”, and that we have lost a lot of natural healing as a result.
Just look at the ingredients in the food in the Supermarket!
Bamboozled
A doctor friend of mine told me he had a patient diagnosed with Bipolar and that this person wanted to stop taking their medication and that their family supported them in this.
My doctor friend told me that the person started a drug taper but it wasn’t successful and the person became unstable, and even their family wanted them back on the Drugs. I told him that a successful Neuroleptic Drug taper can be a rocky ride and take time.
NO 5. BAMBOOZLING
Thank you for this one Dr Levine. Dr Peter Breggin also has a description for this.
It’s very easy to get fooled by the Diagnosis, the Staff, and the System; but most of all by the Drugs. When I tried to come off these drugs I started to go MAD. So I reasonably came to believe in the Severe Diagnosis.
But I was happy to cut the drugs right down. They were changed along the way, and eventually I noticed that if I didn’t take them I slept less but I felt no worse.
When I checked the drugs out I found they had no ‘psychiatric’ effect at the level I was taking them. I knew then that the Problem had been the very convincing medically created drug dependency.
PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS CAUSE MENTAL ILLNESS AND I CAN SUBSTANTIATE THIS FROM MY OWN RECORDS:-
I think EVERYBODY knows somebody who was more or less okay, until they started taking psychiatric drugs (usually antidepressants), and went from there to being diagnosed more seriously; eventually becoming long term disabled and pathetically Psychiatric.
I “declined” “medication” on my introduction to Psychiatry in 1980. But when I was given permission to come off ALL “medication” in 1983, I quickly ended up in hospital and back on “medication”again.
In early 1984 I was back in hospital again following a suicide attempt.
Later on in 1984 I was suicidal and back in hospital again following an introduction of an alternative “medication”. The Prognosis on the Discharge Summary of this Hospitalisation stated that I would be back in hospital again before long. But I wasn’t.
THE PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS WERE THE PROBLEM
After 1984 I went on weaker oral “medication” and successfully tapered. Coming off strong “medication” meant that I became fit for work, and I returned to gainful employment.
I did develop a problematic HIGH ANXIETY condition as a result of coming off strong neuroleptics. But I was able to recognise the “CATASTROPHISATION” attached to the condition, and to build effective protection around this.
Many years later I wrote to the Registrar who had typed up the Discharge Summary to my last Hospitalization, and he wrote back: that they had been wrong, that I had been misdiagnosed, and that I could have been ‘condemned to disaster’.
The Diagnosis had been SCHIZOPHRENIA ; CHRONIC SCHIZOPHRENIA; ‘SCHIZOAFFECTIVE DISORDER’
That’s what they do say!
Below is my own Experience of Long Acting Injections + Akathisia + Genuine Recovery + Medical Uselessness
There’s 2 million Americans in Jail, and 4.5 million Americans on Serious Mental Health Disability; and the
the American Non Mental Health System is also privately managed.
“…. (There are no anti-pediatrics, dermatology or orthopedics movements.) ..” I think one of these might develop some time soon.
“…The burden of mental illness has dramatically increased over the past 35 years, such that “neuropsychiatric disorders are now the leading cause of disability in the United States.” ..”
But once the drugs used to treat the disability are safely removed with some humane support, theres NO more disability! Its like MAGIC!
Thank You Leah, for the work you’ve put into this document. The sunny video promotion with the gay colours is very very smooth.
I personally identify with Akathisia.
Okay
Hi Bob,
Thanks for the great blog.
If the objective isn’t to exterminate at least half of the population; to mechanise all production and manufacturing; and to just have good-looking and obedient people serving the rich :- then it might be very possible to completely reform the Mental Health System.
I think we’d have to move on though, and have some type of non judgemental reconciliation procedure. And then to live in peace.
Advises distressed “schizophrenics” to go out for a walk!
A friend of mine that attends a “support group” said that if you gave a psychologist £50 or £100 and he told you to go home and iron your shirt you’d feel taken advantage off ( – but this is what works).
I came off LAI drugs suitable for “schizophrenia” with straight forward CBT/Buddhist Mindfullness Practice.
If I calculate my 4 grandparents age span years ago in Ireland, on average they lived to their mid eighties with little medical help.
Its sounds like the victims are being held to account. I would imagine the “experience” of pain to be much worse after professional opiod misuse.
Hi Rachel,
“Dry Drunk” is an AA expression not a medical expression, and the treatment for “dry drunkness” is not medication, its adherence to a “Spiritual” way of life.
Hi Rachel,
A person can be seriously browned off, without going out and killing lots of people.
Practically all the shooters are on psychiatric drugs.
Men’s amygdalas are different to women’s and this is why men are more geared up towards taking “action”. This is why men on psychiatric drugs and suffering from the ill effects of these drugs are more likely to commit suicide than women.
Young men again are more likely than older men to “act” as young men are geared up differently, and this is why only younger men can do certain types jobs.
Paxil Boosts Estrogen, May Promote Breast Cancer Growth – would not surprise me at all!
Paxil is not even an antidepressant!
Thanks Jane for relating your experience, and the very helpful “tips”.
“…The US system costs more than twice as much, per person, as the universal coverage provided by the UK’s NHS. Even the government-funded part of the US system costs more per capita than the NHS…
..Why so expensive? It’s because US doctors prescribe more treatments, and those treatments cost much more than they do elsewhere….
…American hospitals and drug companies have enormous leeway to raise prices — insurers have limited bargaining power, and uninsured patients even less…”
(Professor Angus Deaton + Economist Anne Case)
I’m inclined to agree. Any type of control in “Mental Health” is open to exploitation and abuse.
When I engaged in my own psychotherapy I was at least an equal member, and the trainee counsellors were not interested in diagnosis.
I had suffered from a type of anxiety that I had never experienced before – when I withdrew from “medication” “suitable” for “schizophrenia”. My anxiety levels are now very much reduced.
I recovered through my own direction, with good “psychotherapeutic” support.
oldhead
A “Dry Drunk” is an Alcoholic that doesn’t drink but isn’t getting help for their “mental illness”.
“Dry Drunks” are often monsters.
Of all the group’s I believe the Alcohol Abusers are proven to be by far the most “dangerous”. Jails are not full of “scizophrenic” people that have committed seriously violent acts but full of Alcohol Abusers that have committed these acts.
Genetically Donald Trump might be tied in with Alcoholism, and he could even be the worst type of Alcoholic – the Untreated or Dry Drunk Type (of Alcoholic).
…..though most quietly commit suicide.
I’m very sorry about this, but most of the people that Act Out in Public are “normal people” prescribed “antidepressants” for things like work related stress.
These dead end Severe Mental Illnesses are only dead end illnesses in Psychiatry. With a non
Psychiatric approach the long term sickness doesn’t exist.
The technical descriptions seem to me, to “medicalise” the situation.
If a person has a “breakdown” they might benefit from the support of genuine people to get back together again. I think this might be why Soteria is successful.
According to Dr RD Laing, he once took a “chronic schizophrenic” teenager into his family and treated him normally and the “chronic schizophrenic” teenager made full recovery.
The hospital wards are about the promotion of sickness and remaining sick. The rules are likely to be wide open to exploitation and game playing.
Prescripticide
In the Australian case mentioned above, as in most similar cases which carry All the Hallmarks of Akathisia Induced Violence, the information on “medication” is very vague.
The Hallmarks of Akathisia Induced Violence are
1. The Behaviour is Extreme
2. The Behaviour is Out of Character
3. The Behaviour follows the Starting, Stopping or Changing of Psychiatric Medication.
According to my calculations 7.4 million divided by 200, equals 37,000 people in England, attempting suicide as a direct result of taking antidepressants; with 1 in every 20 of these estimated to result in successful suicides, equalling 1,850 deaths, as a direct result of taking antidepressants. This would have to be a national health crisis.
Hi Dr Eric,
I looked at you on Ted and it doesn’t surprise me that you can publish your results. You communicate very well and you look exactly like the kind of person another person could confide in.
THE ROLL OF THE DICE
“…The most dramatic example is suicide. Having no childhood traumas gives a 1% risk of attempting suicide by middle age. One trauma doubles the risk, two traumas doubles it again, on and on until the people with 7 or more traumas are 36 times more likely to attempt suicide than those who have none.17 Thirty-six times more likely!…”
I attempted suicide twice in my 20s in a neuroleptic drug induced state of Acute Akathisia, but I never attempted suicide before starting or since discontinuing the “offending medication”. And I recovered as a result of withdrawing from the drugs. So what category might I be in?
A “nightmare event” occurred to me 6 years ago in my early 50s when I was given a diagnosis of ocular malignant melanoma. I was told that the cancer might have already spread and that I might die; that I might lose my left eye due to treatment; or that considerable vision in my left eye might be lost. I knew at the time that if I started thinking in the state I was in, that I would “go mad”. I was able to hold off my thinking until I levelled off. When I levelled off , I wasn’t happy, but I wasn’t in danger of “going mad” and I knew I could make responsible decisions. Luckily for me the cancer outcome has so far been successful, and without too much damage.
I used the same tactic (of “avoiding my head”) when I was withdrawing from the “offending medication” that had caused my Acute Akathisia in my 20s, as I was going into “Nightmare Mode” regularly at the time.
Last year I visited the Registrar of my last Acute Akathisia hospitalization (34 years previously) (now an eminent Psychiatrist) and he stated in a well written letter that he was confident that I had never suffered from “Schizophrenia” to begin with.
But if I hadn’t withdrawn successfully from the “offending drugs” (through my “dealing with waking nightmare” technique), I wonder if any Psychiatrist would have been in a position to diagnose me as “non Schizophrenic”.
“…This has not helped his popularity with his colleagues, now well into negative territory…”
Does this mean you don’t get invited to the free pharmaceutical pizza outings?
The LINKS below concern a case of “Extreme Violence” which I Suspect could have been triggered by unrecorded/unreported (Depot type) “medication”, rather than “Severe Mental Illness”.
“…the treating psychiatrist appears to have been of the view that her psychotic symptoms were the result of medication she had been prescribed…”
In the case above the “person” had previously been exposed to Depot injection type “medication” and had reacted “Extremely” to it.
I Suspect possible “foul play”: in reference to an example from my own case in Ireland in April 1984 when through the intervention of a Charge Nurse, I was admitted in a state of Acute Akathisia to Galway Psychiatric Unit, though Staff had been previously instructed not to admit me.
48 hours later I discharged myself, never to experience Mental Health hospitalization (or Disability), again.
A few days previous to this hospitalization I had been injected with twice the introductory dose of Depixol Depot “medication” and released into the community (even though I had warned the junior doctor of the dangers).
Had I NOT been admitted at Galway and had the administration of the first time Depixol Injection (by the junior doctor) NOT been recorded I could easily have ended up DEAD with nobody the wiser. (I had previously experienced 2 suicide attempts at Galway in the same state of Acute Akathisia).
In Autumn of 1983 I had laid my (drug) Disability at the door of my Consultant Psychiatrist who had consistently held me responsible for it, and who had expressed this Disabilty as being my main (or only) Mental Health problem.
Notice that when patients do DIE after contact with the Psychiatric Services the investigations tend to be MILD.
“..Along his journey, Dan has realized his attempts were likely caused by the medications he had been prescribed ..”
I never attempted suicide before taking strong psychiatric drugs, and I have never attempted suicide since coming off strong psychiatric drugs.
A stressed parent can pass stress onto their child and most parents do at some level or another.
But it’s the consumption of psychotropic drugs during pregnancy that causes brain damage to children in the womb.
It’s Nice to see you back Dr Niall,
A lot of people say it’s life that causes “depression”.
I have a friend who experienced “Mental Unwellness” throughout his life. In his 50s he retrained in Cognitive Behavioural Therapy and practices this professionally now.
According to him ‘it’s not possible to be depressed without thinking depressed thoughts’. But over the years I have known him he appears happier and happier.
I overcame my own compulsive anxiety (and melancholy) through Practical Psychotherapy, after withdrawing in the 1980s, from (LAI) drugs suitable for “Schizophrenia”.
I can easily describe the Psychotherapy Process that worked for me. Most Psychologists are probably trained a long these lines.
(In the UK 10 times more 2nd generation Afro Caribbean men “get” “Schizophrenia” than do Indigeneous White Men. In my opinion the medical Treatment and Approach is causing this “Schizophrenia”).
“Schizophrenia” was invented at the same time as when the industrial Revolution was taking hold, and it was necessary that large groups of people conformed.
Around thus time In Victorian England when a family member died prematurely they were often dressed up and stood up and photographed (as if alive). This was known as Post Mortem photoraphy. Sometimes a dead child would be teamed up with their still living brother or sister in a type of feigned childhood photograph.
Notice what they say about all the “Mental Health Workers” that successfully bring the “Schizophrenics” through the maze – “they” say they’re Mad.
What about the Hidden + Massive Cost of Disability –
My experience and maybe most peoples experience is that the drugs Disable. Coming off and reducing the drugs opens up a completely new opportunity of return to gainful living and Massive cost saving.
Hi Someone Else,
The “Treatment” Causes the “Illness”:
Its on my Medical Notes that I “declined” drug treatments in 1980. (and I was comfortable in doing this).
But in 1983 when I was given permission to discontinue all drug treatments (“suitable” for “Severe Mental Illness”), I was incapable of surviving without them; even though the drugs themselves were disabling me. The ensuing Hospitalizations are included in my Notes.
I suffered Compulsive Anxiety over “Everything” when I managed to carefully withdraw from the Drugs in 1984 , but I managed to find Psychological solutions for the Anxiety.
The fact that the Disability Ended with an End to “Medication” – can also be seen in my Notes.
ANXIETY SOLUTIONS
I can identify with this young man’s anxiety position even though my anxiety topics were more mundane.
I believe that everything that helped me Recover can be found in Eckhart Tolles “The Power of Now” – but it might take (some) Practice and time and “suffering”.
As far as I know Seroquel at 50mg has no “antipsychotic” effect; I believe it’s effect at 50mg to be antihistamine. The sleeping effect at 50mg would be very powerful though.
William,
You’re story is very frightening, and the same thing could happen to anyone. The injustice reminds me of ‘Les Miserables’.
“….Later I came back to Dublin and worked in St. John of God’s. Major tranquillisers, psychoactive and anti-psychotic drugs were just being introduced at that time. Young boys were coming up from the country diagnosed with schizophrenia, and the drugs seemed to bring them back to normal. If I had just been there a year I would have left with that impression. But by my second year nearly all of them were coming back in a worse state than before, and that raised a big question in my mind about orthodox psychiatry: that while it was removing symptoms, it wasn’t really changing people….”
Thank you for this Article Dr Francisco Jose,
“They” might describe you as a “Dangerous Man”,
When I was given the option of discontinuing my Long Acting Neuroleptic Injection I “relapsed”; I attempted suicide; and I almost did commit suicide.
I decided then to carefully taper from the Neuroleptic injection with the help of oral medication. Even so, I still suffered from Extreme Anxiety, something I had never experienced before.
With luck, I was able to get a picture of how my Extreme Anxiety worked:- If I could avoid engaging with my “fearful thinking” I could eventually balance off, but it was difficult for me to ignore my “thinking” because, it seemed real.
With time, the Anxiety softened.
It took me 6 years between 1984 and 1990 to reduce from 25 mg per month of Fluphenazine Decoanate depot injection to 25 mg per day of Mellaril (- and eventually nothing). But I had returned to normal life by 1984.
BBC News – Why are people in the USA living shorter lives?
It’s interesting how the member of the audience reacts to support him.
Hi Lawrence, This is another one of your very funny pieces, that should be published ‘everywhere’.
There was lots and lots of talk about loneliness a few years ago. It was supposed to be the worst thing that could happen and supposed to come about comparatively recently. And then a drug came on the market to counter it..
I asked the Irish Police to (please) focus on the deliberate OMISSION of requested Adverse Drug Reaction (Akathisia) on a November 24, 1986 Record Summary sent over from Ireland.
I asked the Irish Police, to also focus on my last hospitalization in Ireland in April of 1984, and the lead up to it.
And, I drew attention to prominent information deficiencies within the Historical notes.
The Police didn’t automatically acknowledge my communication, but they did explain to me on the phone (when I rang), that they had received it.
“…Although nine different psychosocial interventions have been studied, the overall evidence supporting the effectiveness of these interventions is generally weak. More RCTs of these psychosocial approaches are needed….”
I don’t exactly understand the (above) statement. Does it mean that there’s not enough research around to form conclusions on the success of the psychological interventions OR does it mean that the Resesrch available on the Psychological interventions inicates the overall lack of success of psychological interventions?
The British Association of Psychologists claim that they can “deal” with “schizophrenia” in the same way that they can deal with social shyness or anxiety. BUT there are probably quite s few Counsellors, Psychologists, and Psychotherapists in the UK that would claim “schizophrenia” to be a long term incurable “brain disease”.
When I stopped taking my “schizophrenic” “medication” I was frightened of everything, as many”schizophrenics”are when they stop taking their “medication”. But I did find suitable solutions through (normal) psychological method to overcome my Extreme Anxiety and stay off my “medication”.
The idea behind “Schizophrenia” is that it is a dreadful long term illness more disabling than being blind or in a wheel chair. If a person can Recover through Psychological means then this illness does not exist.
..better still if the Person can Recover through self help.
Surely a person can have an opinion on whether “depression” is not an illness, when there’s no evidence to suggest it is (at least most of the time).
I don’t think any doctor is qualified to claim depression to be an “illness”
A lot of people that try anti depressants find that they make no difference anyway.
But it’s up to the person themselves maybe to decide whether they want to go through with their feelings or whether they think they’re better off with chemical help.
“Antipsychotics” are extremely disabling and life shortening, they also create the problems they are supposed to help with. I was happy at the beginning at the Maudsley Hospital London, to refuse “antipsychotics” but after several years on them I could not survive without them.
I found very basic, straightforward and inexpensive psychological methods (along with a slow drug taper) to work in coming off these drugs and return to a full life again.
Last year I went to see the last surviving doctor from my treatment days, an acclaimed UK Psychiatrist who stated in a professional letter, that he was very confident that I had never originally suffered from “Schizophrenia” – which was a good opinion.
Its a funny one when we have to justify not taking “antidepressants”.
Hi Dr Daniel,
If diagnosis is avoided and a person is supported then with luck they can come through any difficulties. But if this is done, the Psychiatrist is out of a job!
What Dr Ivor Browne promotes is very straightforward. The only thing he doesn’t promote is longterm dependency on tranquillizers and antidepressants (as a solution).
Dr Terry Lynch is the same. And Dr Pat Bracken as well.
Thank You, Parzival.
Thanks Someone Else, If people are taking “their medication”, why aren’t they Well?
Hang in there Rachel, you’ve already turned the corner!
Dear Tomás,
Thanks for the article on dangerous doctor, Dr Ivor Browne. If he can self cure the “Schizophrenics” and the “Manic Depressives” without medication he really is dangerous.
After being “diagnosed” as a very desperate and Chronic “Schizophrenic” between 1980 and 1984 (at Galway) I made my own Full Recovery as a result of not taking my “medication”. My Experience is described in the LINK below:
What you say about the “Employment Environment” is probably true. Most jobs can now be replaced (with a little tweaking) by machines. Industry is only holding back (for now), to keep people busy.
The majority of UK MP s are millionaires, they don’t get to this position through very hard work, they get to this position through staying on the right side of the right people.
For me ‘mindfulness’ would be there to level me off when I have a problem, so that I can figure out the best way to sort it out, or whether it needs sorting out.
A friend of mine in London, Uk, is a qualified CBT practitioner, and according to him it’s not possible to be depressed without engaging in depressed thinking.
I don’t know whether this is true or not, but he himself comes from a background of ‘anxiety’ and ‘depression’, and over the years that I’ve known him he seems to have become happier and happier.
Rachel + Rosalee + Stephen,
That’s it exactly!
Randall,
Stopping Neuroleptics abruptly can lead to trouble, and coming off Neuroleptics carefully can still be very painful, but can lead to full recovery (this is from my own experience).
Hi Derek,
I can see the (‘Buddhist’) kindness in your face. I believe ‘Buddhism’ does hold the key to relief from ‘suffering’ and I believe I have experienced some of the grace of this relief. But I might still sort things out if necessary (hopefully from a charitable perspective).
(….notable also is a very high and unexplained suicide rate in the reformed AAs. The Big Book puts great faith in ‘doctor’s which might have been justified at the time of writing in the 1930s….).
This can be seen again and again in the Media when a “Mentally Ill” person “Acts Out” with Tragic Consequences in the Community.
On close inspection the person is not genuinely part of the “Ill population” at all, but part of the “Normal population” and on an “Antidepressant”.
Quite a few humane politicians play the “Mental Illness/Violence” Card, and do this in a far more devious and skillful manner than Donald Trump.
Rachel,
Drug induced Acute Akathisia as I know it, is an “Out of The World” Experience.
It is not identifiable to the average human being.
When people are in Akathisia, they usually don’t know what’s happening to them.
If 15 percent + of Americans presently take a psychiatric drug, then what percentage of Americans at some stage would have taken these drugs – and could therefore be categorized as historically “Mentally Ill”?
I was part of the “psychiatric community” in Ireland for a number of years, and am part of the “12 step” community for many years in the UK. I honestly cannot identify much violence with people that Donald Trump might view as the “mentally ill”.
I also work in an industry in the Uk where practically everyone has physical confrontation scars, and this would be viewed as quite normal.
AKATHISIA
A lot of the time the so called “Mentally Ill” , are “Fairly Ordinary” people driven mad by antidepressants (prescribed to them, for life pressure reasons).
I made Full Recovery in the 1980s as a result of tapering from the drugs above.
Last year I went to visit a doctor that had been involved in my case 30 years ago (now a renowned Uk Psychiatrist). He provided me with a letter saying that he was confident that I had never suffered from schizophrenia to begin with.
As a Short Cut to Confirmation of the possibility of Drug induced Suicide:-
I would ask any Public Representative (including the *”President of Ireland” or the *”Premier of Ireland”) to try the Dr Richard Bentall medically supervised Haloperidol test
This happened to me many years ago in Ireland when I complained about psychiatric depot injection drugs causing my psychiatric disability – the Psychiatric System nearly killed me!
About 10 years later I bumped into a Charge Nurse who had been around at the time, and asked him if my “Psychiatrist” was still working at the Galway Psychiatic Unit, his reply was that he was “still on the Payroll”.
My MP is very concerned about any Human Rights injustice any where in the world. But has little interest in any Mental Health approach that deviates from the “Norm”.
It’s a bit like the Magdelan Laundry in full swing in Ireland (only it’s happening in England).
Thank you very much for this Article, the message really needs to be driven home.
“….I have listened to people who began taking psychiatric drugs, often for the most banal reasons you could imagine …”: – everybody knows somebody who had very little wrong with them (originally), that have now become a long term Mental Health Patient on Disability Benefit.
In 1980 (which is nearly 40 years ago now) the UK side of my Records suggests that alternative to “schizophrenia” could be the strong possibility of “drug taking” (which I had consistently denied). Looking back, exposure to “drugs” would have been very possible, but without my knowledge or co operation.
I had been in a different country (Holland) for several months prior to my 1980 UK hospitalization, which was not recorded in my UK notes.
When I was arrested in London, and later released, my passport was not returned to me.
…I would be very interested in how the Councillors managed to launder the bribes they were given for their co operation from the Foreign Investors (if such existed).
When it comes to Mental Health “Ambiguity” the Labour Party appears (to me) to be much the same as any other party.
Once the person ends up in the Mental Health System the doctor decides what the score is, not the law of Land.
About 5 percent of the population in the UK is classified as Severely Mentally Ill and another 15 per cent have a diagnosis that can be promoted to being Severely Mentally Ill.
In the UK a second generation Caribbean man is 10 times more likely to be diagnosed with “Schizophrenia” than a generic UK white man.
Steve, The thing is that the drugs don’t work, but that psychological method does. I can only presume that the “therapists” and their “trainers” are not up to any real standard.
Complete recovery from “Schizophrenia” doesn’t have to be a very hard, and expensive job. Its mostly about dealing with Anxiety and coming off drugs safely.
I think the problem is that Psychologists are not coming out and asserting that they have perfectly effective ways of dealing with “Anxiety”, even the “High Anxiety” of “Schizophrenia” or Neuroleptic Drug Withdrawal. That is if the Psychologists even know their jobs.
Psychiatric drugs damage and disable, whereas psychological methods, return a person to full health and productivity.
Even I can describe the psychological means by which a person can learn to cope with the High Anxiety of “Antipsychotic” Drug Withdrawal.
Thank you Justin and Dr Pat for the very informative interview.
I would describe what’s acceptable within (Irish and Uk) Psychiatry as Criminal. I can support this with reliable Evidence from my own experience:-
WHAT ABOUT: 11. LICENCE TO KILL
The person consumes potentially lethal medication leaves the Psychiatric Unit and ends up DEAD – medically everyone knows the medication is potentially lethal BUT nothing more is said.
The Circumstances and Details are completely confused, BUT that’s OK.
In Civilian Life if a DEAD Body is Discovered It’s NORMAL To Investigate!
(Lethal in Psychiatry can = Intoxicating)
Eckhart Tolle the author of “The Power of Now” has stated (I believe) that a person can find “what he found” – purely from the information in his book. The book itself is cheap but the information in his book can be found also, for free (If necessary) on the internet. I’ve studied his book and what’s in it works.
It’s NOT the “Schizophrenics” that are killing people; its “normal people” under the influence of potentially harmful prescribed drugs.
Michael,
For me, (even beyond compassion) the reality of the situation is that the MH System is “Ineffective” ; and there are other very good ways of overcoming distress most of the time (even today) within the community.
Somebody told me that a lot of the natural healers were targeted as “witches”, and that we have lost a lot of natural healing as a result.
Just look at the ingredients in the food in the Supermarket!
Bamboozled
A doctor friend of mine told me he had a patient diagnosed with Bipolar and that this person wanted to stop taking their medication and that their family supported them in this.
My doctor friend told me that the person started a drug taper but it wasn’t successful and the person became unstable, and even their family wanted them back on the Drugs. I told him that a successful Neuroleptic Drug taper can be a rocky ride and take time.
NO 5. BAMBOOZLING
Thank you for this one Dr Levine. Dr Peter Breggin also has a description for this.
It’s very easy to get fooled by the Diagnosis, the Staff, and the System; but most of all by the Drugs. When I tried to come off these drugs I started to go MAD. So I reasonably came to believe in the Severe Diagnosis.
But I was happy to cut the drugs right down. They were changed along the way, and eventually I noticed that if I didn’t take them I slept less but I felt no worse.
When I checked the drugs out I found they had no ‘psychiatric’ effect at the level I was taking them. I knew then that the Problem had been the very convincing medically created drug dependency.
PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS CAUSE MENTAL ILLNESS AND I CAN SUBSTANTIATE THIS FROM MY OWN RECORDS:-
I think EVERYBODY knows somebody who was more or less okay, until they started taking psychiatric drugs (usually antidepressants), and went from there to being diagnosed more seriously; eventually becoming long term disabled and pathetically Psychiatric.
I “declined” “medication” on my introduction to Psychiatry in 1980. But when I was given permission to come off ALL “medication” in 1983, I quickly ended up in hospital and back on “medication”again.
In early 1984 I was back in hospital again following a suicide attempt.
Later on in 1984 I was suicidal and back in hospital again following an introduction of an alternative “medication”. The Prognosis on the Discharge Summary of this Hospitalisation stated that I would be back in hospital again before long. But I wasn’t.
THE PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS WERE THE PROBLEM
After 1984 I went on weaker oral “medication” and successfully tapered. Coming off strong “medication” meant that I became fit for work, and I returned to gainful employment.
I did develop a problematic HIGH ANXIETY condition as a result of coming off strong neuroleptics. But I was able to recognise the “CATASTROPHISATION” attached to the condition, and to build effective protection around this.
Many years later I wrote to the Registrar who had typed up the Discharge Summary to my last Hospitalization, and he wrote back: that they had been wrong, that I had been misdiagnosed, and that I could have been ‘condemned to disaster’.
The Diagnosis had been SCHIZOPHRENIA ; CHRONIC SCHIZOPHRENIA; ‘SCHIZOAFFECTIVE DISORDER’
That’s what they do say!
Below is my own Experience of Long Acting Injections + Akathisia + Genuine Recovery + Medical Uselessness
https://www.madintheuk.com/2018/08/a-disorder-for-everyone/#comment-49
There’s 2 million Americans in Jail, and 4.5 million Americans on Serious Mental Health Disability; and the
the American Non Mental Health System is also privately managed.
“…. (There are no anti-pediatrics, dermatology or orthopedics movements.) ..” I think one of these might develop some time soon.
“…The burden of mental illness has dramatically increased over the past 35 years, such that “neuropsychiatric disorders are now the leading cause of disability in the United States.” ..”
But once the drugs used to treat the disability are safely removed with some humane support, theres NO more disability! Its like MAGIC!
Thank You Leah, for the work you’ve put into this document. The sunny video promotion with the gay colours is very very smooth.
I personally identify with Akathisia.
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Hi Bob,
Thanks for the great blog.
If the objective isn’t to exterminate at least half of the population; to mechanise all production and manufacturing; and to just have good-looking and obedient people serving the rich :- then it might be very possible to completely reform the Mental Health System.
I think we’d have to move on though, and have some type of non judgemental reconciliation procedure. And then to live in peace.
Dr Jill,
Yoga and support groups, what’s all that about?
Dr Rufus May
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_May
Advises distressed “schizophrenics” to go out for a walk!
A friend of mine that attends a “support group” said that if you gave a psychologist £50 or £100 and he told you to go home and iron your shirt you’d feel taken advantage off ( – but this is what works).
I came off LAI drugs suitable for “schizophrenia” with straight forward CBT/Buddhist Mindfullness Practice.
If I calculate my 4 grandparents age span years ago in Ireland, on average they lived to their mid eighties with little medical help.
Its sounds like the victims are being held to account. I would imagine the “experience” of pain to be much worse after professional opiod misuse.
Hi Rachel,
“Dry Drunk” is an AA expression not a medical expression, and the treatment for “dry drunkness” is not medication, its adherence to a “Spiritual” way of life.
Hi Rachel,
A person can be seriously browned off, without going out and killing lots of people.
Practically all the shooters are on psychiatric drugs.
Men’s amygdalas are different to women’s and this is why men are more geared up towards taking “action”. This is why men on psychiatric drugs and suffering from the ill effects of these drugs are more likely to commit suicide than women.
Young men again are more likely than older men to “act” as young men are geared up differently, and this is why only younger men can do certain types jobs.
Paxil Boosts Estrogen, May Promote Breast Cancer Growth – would not surprise me at all!
Paxil is not even an antidepressant!
Thanks Jane for relating your experience, and the very helpful “tips”.
US healthcare is literally killing people:-
https://www.ft.com/content/05f7fa82-a315-11e9-a282-2df48f366f7d
“…The US system costs more than twice as much, per person, as the universal coverage provided by the UK’s NHS. Even the government-funded part of the US system costs more per capita than the NHS…
..Why so expensive? It’s because US doctors prescribe more treatments, and those treatments cost much more than they do elsewhere….
…American hospitals and drug companies have enormous leeway to raise prices — insurers have limited bargaining power, and uninsured patients even less…”
(Professor Angus Deaton + Economist Anne Case)
I’m inclined to agree. Any type of control in “Mental Health” is open to exploitation and abuse.
When I engaged in my own psychotherapy I was at least an equal member, and the trainee counsellors were not interested in diagnosis.
I had suffered from a type of anxiety that I had never experienced before – when I withdrew from “medication” “suitable” for “schizophrenia”. My anxiety levels are now very much reduced.
I recovered through my own direction, with good “psychotherapeutic” support.
oldhead
A “Dry Drunk” is an Alcoholic that doesn’t drink but isn’t getting help for their “mental illness”.
“Dry Drunks” are often monsters.
Of all the group’s I believe the Alcohol Abusers are proven to be by far the most “dangerous”. Jails are not full of “scizophrenic” people that have committed seriously violent acts but full of Alcohol Abusers that have committed these acts.
Genetically Donald Trump might be tied in with Alcoholism, and he could even be the worst type of Alcoholic – the Untreated or Dry Drunk Type (of Alcoholic).
…..though most quietly commit suicide.
I’m very sorry about this, but most of the people that Act Out in Public are “normal people” prescribed “antidepressants” for things like work related stress.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2019/09/response-criticism-recent-article-antidepressant-suicide-risk/
In Psychiatry Suicide and Homicide are closely linked.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32436011236542;view=1up;seq=53.
These dead end Severe Mental Illnesses are only dead end illnesses in Psychiatry. With a non
Psychiatric approach the long term sickness doesn’t exist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_May
The technical descriptions seem to me, to “medicalise” the situation.
If a person has a “breakdown” they might benefit from the support of genuine people to get back together again. I think this might be why Soteria is successful.
According to Dr RD Laing, he once took a “chronic schizophrenic” teenager into his family and treated him normally and the “chronic schizophrenic” teenager made full recovery.
The hospital wards are about the promotion of sickness and remaining sick. The rules are likely to be wide open to exploitation and game playing.
Prescripticide
In the Australian case mentioned above, as in most similar cases which carry All the Hallmarks of Akathisia Induced Violence, the information on “medication” is very vague.
The Hallmarks of Akathisia Induced Violence are
1. The Behaviour is Extreme
2. The Behaviour is Out of Character
3. The Behaviour follows the Starting, Stopping or Changing of Psychiatric Medication.
According to my calculations 7.4 million divided by 200, equals 37,000 people in England, attempting suicide as a direct result of taking antidepressants; with 1 in every 20 of these estimated to result in successful suicides, equalling 1,850 deaths, as a direct result of taking antidepressants. This would have to be a national health crisis.
Hi Dr Eric,
I looked at you on Ted and it doesn’t surprise me that you can publish your results. You communicate very well and you look exactly like the kind of person another person could confide in.
THE ROLL OF THE DICE
“…The most dramatic example is suicide. Having no childhood traumas gives a 1% risk of attempting suicide by middle age. One trauma doubles the risk, two traumas doubles it again, on and on until the people with 7 or more traumas are 36 times more likely to attempt suicide than those who have none.17 Thirty-six times more likely!…”
I attempted suicide twice in my 20s in a neuroleptic drug induced state of Acute Akathisia, but I never attempted suicide before starting or since discontinuing the “offending medication”. And I recovered as a result of withdrawing from the drugs. So what category might I be in?
A “nightmare event” occurred to me 6 years ago in my early 50s when I was given a diagnosis of ocular malignant melanoma. I was told that the cancer might have already spread and that I might die; that I might lose my left eye due to treatment; or that considerable vision in my left eye might be lost. I knew at the time that if I started thinking in the state I was in, that I would “go mad”. I was able to hold off my thinking until I levelled off. When I levelled off , I wasn’t happy, but I wasn’t in danger of “going mad” and I knew I could make responsible decisions. Luckily for me the cancer outcome has so far been successful, and without too much damage.
I used the same tactic (of “avoiding my head”) when I was withdrawing from the “offending medication” that had caused my Acute Akathisia in my 20s, as I was going into “Nightmare Mode” regularly at the time.
Last year I visited the Registrar of my last Acute Akathisia hospitalization (34 years previously) (now an eminent Psychiatrist) and he stated in a well written letter that he was confident that I had never suffered from “Schizophrenia” to begin with.
But if I hadn’t withdrawn successfully from the “offending drugs” (through my “dealing with waking nightmare” technique), I wonder if any Psychiatrist would have been in a position to diagnose me as “non Schizophrenic”.
“…This has not helped his popularity with his colleagues, now well into negative territory…”
Does this mean you don’t get invited to the free pharmaceutical pizza outings?
AKATHISIA CAN CAUSE SUICIDE + HOMICIDE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akathisia
The LINK below clearly demonstrates the professional lengths taken: to hide AKATHISIA
https://www.madintheuk.com/2018/08/a-disorder-for-everyone/#comment-49
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WHEN THE “VIOLENCE” IS NOT MENTAL HEALTH
The LINKS below concern a case of “Extreme Violence” which I Suspect could have been triggered by unrecorded/unreported (Depot type) “medication”, rather than “Severe Mental Illness”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jul/10/australia.mainsection
http://www.xenu-directory.net/topics/20070709-australia-tragedy.html
“…the treating psychiatrist appears to have been of the view that her psychotic symptoms were the result of medication she had been prescribed…”
In the case above the “person” had previously been exposed to Depot injection type “medication” and had reacted “Extremely” to it.
I Suspect possible “foul play”: in reference to an example from my own case in Ireland in April 1984 when through the intervention of a Charge Nurse, I was admitted in a state of Acute Akathisia to Galway Psychiatric Unit, though Staff had been previously instructed not to admit me.
48 hours later I discharged myself, never to experience Mental Health hospitalization (or Disability), again.
A few days previous to this hospitalization I had been injected with twice the introductory dose of Depixol Depot “medication” and released into the community (even though I had warned the junior doctor of the dangers).
Had I NOT been admitted at Galway and had the administration of the first time Depixol Injection (by the junior doctor) NOT been recorded I could easily have ended up DEAD with nobody the wiser. (I had previously experienced 2 suicide attempts at Galway in the same state of Acute Akathisia).
In Autumn of 1983 I had laid my (drug) Disability at the door of my Consultant Psychiatrist who had consistently held me responsible for it, and who had expressed this Disabilty as being my main (or only) Mental Health problem.
Notice that when patients do DIE after contact with the Psychiatric Services the investigations tend to be MILD.
“..Along his journey, Dan has realized his attempts were likely caused by the medications he had been prescribed ..”
I never attempted suicide before taking strong psychiatric drugs, and I have never attempted suicide since coming off strong psychiatric drugs.
Identification of ADR + Fluphenazine in 1984
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/16313058_Suicide_Associated_with_Akathisia_and_Depot_Fluphenazine_Treatment
Adverse Drug Reaction Warning Request Letter sent to Galway Nov. 8 1986
ADR Warning Request ltr Pg 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAZlVTbHdBRDFFSHc/view?usp=drivesdk
ADR Warning Request ltr Pg 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAZ0otNjFyN0NJajA/view?usp=drivesdk
ADR Warning Request Ltr Pg 3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAcExwMzhEMVRzdm8/view?usp=drivesdk
November 24 1986 Response with NO ADR Warning
Nov 24 1986 Irish Record Summary Pg 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBATlNoNTlpYy11X28/view?usp=drivesdk
Nov 24 1986 Irish Record Summary Pg 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAMmlqS18xQVZlcms/view?usp=drivesdk
My Ex Psychiatrist promoting the offending drugs in 1998
https://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/ps.49.10.1361-b
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BBC News – Stress in pregnancy ‘makes child personality disorder more likely’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49593620
A stressed parent can pass stress onto their child and most parents do at some level or another.
But it’s the consumption of psychotropic drugs during pregnancy that causes brain damage to children in the womb.
It’s Nice to see you back Dr Niall,
A lot of people say it’s life that causes “depression”.
I have a friend who experienced “Mental Unwellness” throughout his life. In his 50s he retrained in Cognitive Behavioural Therapy and practices this professionally now.
According to him ‘it’s not possible to be depressed without thinking depressed thoughts’. But over the years I have known him he appears happier and happier.
I overcame my own compulsive anxiety (and melancholy) through Practical Psychotherapy, after withdrawing in the 1980s, from (LAI) drugs suitable for “Schizophrenia”.
I can easily describe the Psychotherapy Process that worked for me. Most Psychologists are probably trained a long these lines.
(In the UK 10 times more 2nd generation Afro Caribbean men “get” “Schizophrenia” than do Indigeneous White Men. In my opinion the medical Treatment and Approach is causing this “Schizophrenia”).
“Schizophrenia” was invented at the same time as when the industrial Revolution was taking hold, and it was necessary that large groups of people conformed.
Around thus time In Victorian England when a family member died prematurely they were often dressed up and stood up and photographed (as if alive). This was known as Post Mortem photoraphy. Sometimes a dead child would be teamed up with their still living brother or sister in a type of feigned childhood photograph.
Notice what they say about all the “Mental Health Workers” that successfully bring the “Schizophrenics” through the maze – “they” say they’re Mad.
What about the Hidden + Massive Cost of Disability –
My experience and maybe most peoples experience is that the drugs Disable. Coming off and reducing the drugs opens up a completely new opportunity of return to gainful living and Massive cost saving.
Hi Someone Else,
The “Treatment” Causes the “Illness”:
Its on my Medical Notes that I “declined” drug treatments in 1980. (and I was comfortable in doing this).
But in 1983 when I was given permission to discontinue all drug treatments (“suitable” for “Severe Mental Illness”), I was incapable of surviving without them; even though the drugs themselves were disabling me. The ensuing Hospitalizations are included in my Notes.
I suffered Compulsive Anxiety over “Everything” when I managed to carefully withdraw from the Drugs in 1984 , but I managed to find Psychological solutions for the Anxiety.
The fact that the Disability Ended with an End to “Medication” – can also be seen in my Notes.
ANXIETY SOLUTIONS
I can identify with this young man’s anxiety position even though my anxiety topics were more mundane.
BBC News – Cure my OCD: ‘I thought I’d killed someone’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-49501432
I believe that everything that helped me Recover can be found in Eckhart Tolles “The Power of Now” – but it might take (some) Practice and time and “suffering”.
As far as I know Seroquel at 50mg has no “antipsychotic” effect; I believe it’s effect at 50mg to be antihistamine. The sleeping effect at 50mg would be very powerful though.
William,
You’re story is very frightening, and the same thing could happen to anyone. The injustice reminds me of ‘Les Miserables’.
https://iahip.org/inside-out/issue-16-spring-1994/an-interview-with-prof-ivor-browne
“….Later I came back to Dublin and worked in St. John of God’s. Major tranquillisers, psychoactive and anti-psychotic drugs were just being introduced at that time. Young boys were coming up from the country diagnosed with schizophrenia, and the drugs seemed to bring them back to normal. If I had just been there a year I would have left with that impression. But by my second year nearly all of them were coming back in a worse state than before, and that raised a big question in my mind about orthodox psychiatry: that while it was removing symptoms, it wasn’t really changing people….”
Thank you for this Article Dr Francisco Jose,
“They” might describe you as a “Dangerous Man”,
When I was given the option of discontinuing my Long Acting Neuroleptic Injection I “relapsed”; I attempted suicide; and I almost did commit suicide.
I decided then to carefully taper from the Neuroleptic injection with the help of oral medication. Even so, I still suffered from Extreme Anxiety, something I had never experienced before.
With luck, I was able to get a picture of how my Extreme Anxiety worked:- If I could avoid engaging with my “fearful thinking” I could eventually balance off, but it was difficult for me to ignore my “thinking” because, it seemed real.
With time, the Anxiety softened.
It took me 6 years between 1984 and 1990 to reduce from 25 mg per month of Fluphenazine Decoanate depot injection to 25 mg per day of Mellaril (- and eventually nothing). But I had returned to normal life by 1984.
BBC News – Why are people in the USA living shorter lives?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49437287
Sir Angus Deaton:- Explains Why.
What about this one (RD Laing)
https://youtu.be/N5XkFPYWkq4
It’s interesting how the member of the audience reacts to support him.
Hi Lawrence, This is another one of your very funny pieces, that should be published ‘everywhere’.
There was lots and lots of talk about loneliness a few years ago. It was supposed to be the worst thing that could happen and supposed to come about comparatively recently. And then a drug came on the market to counter it..
How do you like that..!
Thank You,
“….UN Doc. E/CN.4/1986/15, para. 119 (page 29), includes….”
Earlier this week I sent a communication concerning Serious Criminal Behavior to the Irish Police (at Galway)…
https://www.madintheuk.com/2018/08/a-disorder-for-everyone/#comment-49
…regarding my own case.
I asked the Irish Police to (please) focus on the deliberate OMISSION of requested Adverse Drug Reaction (Akathisia) on a November 24, 1986 Record Summary sent over from Ireland.
I asked the Irish Police, to also focus on my last hospitalization in Ireland in April of 1984, and the lead up to it.
And, I drew attention to prominent information deficiencies within the Historical notes.
The Police didn’t automatically acknowledge my communication, but they did explain to me on the phone (when I rang), that they had received it.
“…Although nine different psychosocial interventions have been studied, the overall evidence supporting the effectiveness of these interventions is generally weak. More RCTs of these psychosocial approaches are needed….”
I don’t exactly understand the (above) statement. Does it mean that there’s not enough research around to form conclusions on the success of the psychological interventions OR does it mean that the Resesrch available on the Psychological interventions inicates the overall lack of success of psychological interventions?
The British Association of Psychologists claim that they can “deal” with “schizophrenia” in the same way that they can deal with social shyness or anxiety. BUT there are probably quite s few Counsellors, Psychologists, and Psychotherapists in the UK that would claim “schizophrenia” to be a long term incurable “brain disease”.
When I stopped taking my “schizophrenic” “medication” I was frightened of everything, as many”schizophrenics”are when they stop taking their “medication”. But I did find suitable solutions through (normal) psychological method to overcome my Extreme Anxiety and stay off my “medication”.
The idea behind “Schizophrenia” is that it is a dreadful long term illness more disabling than being blind or in a wheel chair. If a person can Recover through Psychological means then this illness does not exist.
..better still if the Person can Recover through self help.
Surely a person can have an opinion on whether “depression” is not an illness, when there’s no evidence to suggest it is (at least most of the time).
I don’t think any doctor is qualified to claim depression to be an “illness”
A lot of people that try anti depressants find that they make no difference anyway.
But it’s up to the person themselves maybe to decide whether they want to go through with their feelings or whether they think they’re better off with chemical help.
“Antipsychotics” are extremely disabling and life shortening, they also create the problems they are supposed to help with. I was happy at the beginning at the Maudsley Hospital London, to refuse “antipsychotics” but after several years on them I could not survive without them.
I found very basic, straightforward and inexpensive psychological methods (along with a slow drug taper) to work in coming off these drugs and return to a full life again.
Last year I went to see the last surviving doctor from my treatment days, an acclaimed UK Psychiatrist who stated in a professional letter, that he was very confident that I had never originally suffered from “Schizophrenia” – which was a good opinion.
Its a funny one when we have to justify not taking “antidepressants”.
Hi Dr Daniel,
If diagnosis is avoided and a person is supported then with luck they can come through any difficulties. But if this is done, the Psychiatrist is out of a job!
What Dr Ivor Browne promotes is very straightforward. The only thing he doesn’t promote is longterm dependency on tranquillizers and antidepressants (as a solution).
Dr Terry Lynch is the same. And Dr Pat Bracken as well.
Thank You, Parzival.
Thanks Someone Else, If people are taking “their medication”, why aren’t they Well?
Hang in there Rachel, you’ve already turned the corner!
Dear Tomás,
Thanks for the article on dangerous doctor, Dr Ivor Browne. If he can self cure the “Schizophrenics” and the “Manic Depressives” without medication he really is dangerous.
After being “diagnosed” as a very desperate and Chronic “Schizophrenic” between 1980 and 1984 (at Galway) I made my own Full Recovery as a result of not taking my “medication”. My Experience is described in the LINK below:
https://www.madintheuk.com/2018/08/a-disorder-for-everyone/#comment-49
It’s “free loading” Public Representatives. The only genuine Recovery available in “Mental Health” is through non dependency on Pharmaceutical drugs.
At one level or another pharmaceutical drugs are mostly paid for by Public Funds through Public Representatives.
The “corruption” might be more obvious in America but it’s much the same in Western Europe (only more discrete).
It’s “neuroscientists” sponging off the Welfare State.
The “diagnosed” are officially seen as “untermensch”, and their deaths are treated the same, as in parts of Europe in the 1930 s.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2016/11/neuroleptic-drugs-akathisia-suicide-violence/
Pacific Dawn,
What you say about the “Employment Environment” is probably true. Most jobs can now be replaced (with a little tweaking) by machines. Industry is only holding back (for now), to keep people busy.
The majority of UK MP s are millionaires, they don’t get to this position through very hard work, they get to this position through staying on the right side of the right people.
For me ‘mindfulness’ would be there to level me off when I have a problem, so that I can figure out the best way to sort it out, or whether it needs sorting out.
A friend of mine in London, Uk, is a qualified CBT practitioner, and according to him it’s not possible to be depressed without engaging in depressed thinking.
I don’t know whether this is true or not, but he himself comes from a background of ‘anxiety’ and ‘depression’, and over the years that I’ve known him he seems to have become happier and happier.
Rachel + Rosalee + Stephen,
That’s it exactly!
Randall,
Stopping Neuroleptics abruptly can lead to trouble, and coming off Neuroleptics carefully can still be very painful, but can lead to full recovery (this is from my own experience).
Hi Derek,
I can see the (‘Buddhist’) kindness in your face. I believe ‘Buddhism’ does hold the key to relief from ‘suffering’ and I believe I have experienced some of the grace of this relief. But I might still sort things out if necessary (hopefully from a charitable perspective).
(….notable also is a very high and unexplained suicide rate in the reformed AAs. The Big Book puts great faith in ‘doctor’s which might have been justified at the time of writing in the 1930s….).
This can be seen again and again in the Media when a “Mentally Ill” person “Acts Out” with Tragic Consequences in the Community.
On close inspection the person is not genuinely part of the “Ill population” at all, but part of the “Normal population” and on an “Antidepressant”.
Quite a few humane politicians play the “Mental Illness/Violence” Card, and do this in a far more devious and skillful manner than Donald Trump.
Rachel,
Drug induced Acute Akathisia as I know it, is an “Out of The World” Experience.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akathisia
It is not identifiable to the average human being.
When people are in Akathisia, they usually don’t know what’s happening to them.
If 15 percent + of Americans presently take a psychiatric drug, then what percentage of Americans at some stage would have taken these drugs – and could therefore be categorized as historically “Mentally Ill”?
I was part of the “psychiatric community” in Ireland for a number of years, and am part of the “12 step” community for many years in the UK. I honestly cannot identify much violence with people that Donald Trump might view as the “mentally ill”.
I also work in an industry in the Uk where practically everyone has physical confrontation scars, and this would be viewed as quite normal.
AKATHISIA
A lot of the time the so called “Mentally Ill” , are “Fairly Ordinary” people driven mad by antidepressants (prescribed to them, for life pressure reasons).
AKATHISIA
http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2016/11/08/neuroleptic-drugs-akathisia-and-suicide-and-violence/
I made Full Recovery in the 1980s as a result of tapering from the drugs above.
Last year I went to visit a doctor that had been involved in my case 30 years ago (now a renowned Uk Psychiatrist). He provided me with a letter saying that he was confident that I had never suffered from schizophrenia to begin with.
As a Short Cut to Confirmation of the possibility of Drug induced Suicide:-
I would ask any Public Representative (including the *”President of Ireland” or the *”Premier of Ireland”) to try the Dr Richard Bentall medically supervised Haloperidol test
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IlzqwNraKOFLxIU7TjC2tCMTh1fB6tu4/view?usp=drivesdk
*Human Rights
This happened to me many years ago in Ireland when I complained about psychiatric depot injection drugs causing my psychiatric disability – the Psychiatric System nearly killed me!
About 10 years later I bumped into a Charge Nurse who had been around at the time, and asked him if my “Psychiatrist” was still working at the Galway Psychiatic Unit, his reply was that he was “still on the Payroll”.
My MP is very concerned about any Human Rights injustice any where in the world. But has little interest in any Mental Health approach that deviates from the “Norm”.
It’s a bit like the Magdelan Laundry in full swing in Ireland (only it’s happening in England).
Thank you very much for this Article, the message really needs to be driven home.
“….I have listened to people who began taking psychiatric drugs, often for the most banal reasons you could imagine …”: – everybody knows somebody who had very little wrong with them (originally), that have now become a long term Mental Health Patient on Disability Benefit.
In 1980 (which is nearly 40 years ago now) the UK side of my Records suggests that alternative to “schizophrenia” could be the strong possibility of “drug taking” (which I had consistently denied). Looking back, exposure to “drugs” would have been very possible, but without my knowledge or co operation.
I had been in a different country (Holland) for several months prior to my 1980 UK hospitalization, which was not recorded in my UK notes.
When I was arrested in London, and later released, my passport was not returned to me.
…I would be very interested in how the Councillors managed to launder the bribes they were given for their co operation from the Foreign Investors (if such existed).
When it comes to Mental Health “Ambiguity” the Labour Party appears (to me) to be much the same as any other party.
Once the person ends up in the Mental Health System the doctor decides what the score is, not the law of Land.
About 5 percent of the population in the UK is classified as Severely Mentally Ill and another 15 per cent have a diagnosis that can be promoted to being Severely Mentally Ill.
In the UK a second generation Caribbean man is 10 times more likely to be diagnosed with “Schizophrenia” than a generic UK white man.
Steve, The thing is that the drugs don’t work, but that psychological method does. I can only presume that the “therapists” and their “trainers” are not up to any real standard.
Complete recovery from “Schizophrenia” doesn’t have to be a very hard, and expensive job. Its mostly about dealing with Anxiety and coming off drugs safely.
I think the problem is that Psychologists are not coming out and asserting that they have perfectly effective ways of dealing with “Anxiety”, even the “High Anxiety” of “Schizophrenia” or Neuroleptic Drug Withdrawal. That is if the Psychologists even know their jobs.
Psychiatric drugs damage and disable, whereas psychological methods, return a person to full health and productivity.
Even I can describe the psychological means by which a person can learn to cope with the High Anxiety of “Antipsychotic” Drug Withdrawal.
Thank you Justin and Dr Pat for the very informative interview.
I would describe what’s acceptable within (Irish and Uk) Psychiatry as Criminal. I can support this with reliable Evidence from my own experience:-
https://www.madintheuk.com/2018/08/a-disorder-for-everyone/#comment-49
Thank you Dr Kelly,
This is just what I needed to read right now.
Theres no profession of psychiatry without the illness of “schizophrenia”.
Thanks for the article. We don’t need promises for the future, if there are effective non drug solutions here, right now.
It’s impossible to get honest representation within Psychiatry, as doctors in Psychiatry are allowed to keep half the story off the records.
Basically speaking, doctors in Psychiatry are allowed to lie.
What’s commonplace in Psychiatry is a complete dead end, so it’s nice to see a system that resolves things.
With the right approach Genuine Recovery is not such a difficult thing!