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Resolution of Command Voices
Is it “okay” to kill someone in Psychiatry?
Generally speaking killing someone is not “okay”.
Many years ago I had an original “admission”; and maybe 5 following hospitalizations, all of which were suicidal, until I stopped taking “medication” to recover.
When I explained the dangers of the “medication” to my psychiatrist – he left the continent.
In my case he might have been worried about being sued – but in reality he should have been worried about being prosecuted.
He said: “You need never worry about anything”.
I came off drugs suitable for “Schizophrenia” when I was 24 years old, after a number of unsuccessful attempts and “relapse” hospitalizations.
I found Self Help book : “Your Erroneous Zones” by Psychologist Dr Wayne Dwyer very useful at the time, as it helped me identify and relieve “Anxiety”.
I’m 58 years old now and have never “relapsed”.
Are mood disorders becoming more prevalent than before, or is there more invention of “mental illness”.
In my opinion the only people qualified to represent genuine recovery are the people that have brought about their own recovery, or the people that have helped genuinely recover other people. And as far as I know genuine recovery only exists outside of the “medical” system.
The British Psychological Society:
“..The problems we think of as ‘psychosis’ – hearing voices, believing things that others find strange, or appearing out of touch with reality – can be understood in the same way as other psychological problems such as anxiety or shyness…”
Thank you very much Stephen,
Its the Mental Illness of Denial. People recover all the time.
No truer words spoken:- “..How can class-based corrupt systems which cause trauma, “unravel” it?..”
There is a cure for the non existent illness of “Schizophrenia”.
I can explain in my own case how “psychotherapy” worked in dealing with the problems I developed when I stopped consuming drugs suitable for “Schizophrenia”; that my state sponsored disability ended at this time (1984); and that I never “relapsed”.
Once a person is diagnosed with the “illness” of “Schizophrenia” the medical idea is that the only suitable treatment is “medication” (major tranquillizers) – lifetime disability being the best that could then be expected.
Whereas if people were seen as having individual situations then these could be helped without “drugs”, with the person regaining their place in life. I switched from long-term disability with this approach,
(..though I never regained my sleeping pattern).
“Mysterious deaths of doctors”, “committed suicide” and “leaving the country” does ring a bell.
In 2011 the GP that was regularly seeing me suffered a psychosis himself, and was asked to leave the GP Surgery I was attending in London. This was the GP that had put my name on a SMI register without interviewing me or or gaining my consent.
By rights he should be on a Severe Mental Illness Register himself – but I doubt he is.
I saw a blog of his on “Pulse” GP webzine where he described his breakdown as stress induced “burnout”.
(When I had to completely stop medication it didn’t affect “my nerves” as Seroquel at 25mg per day dosage is not psychotropic – and is only prescriptive for off label purposes).
September 1980 I’m “hospitalised” at the UK Maudsley Hospital – but without an admission procedure.
Following a trip to see an Irish community worker,
I’m “sectioned” by doctors from Kings College University for leaving the Maudsley Hospital without permission (and not taking “my medication”).
I’m injected and transferred to Galway Ireland in November 1980 and a “MH Formulation” is dictated by a UK accompanying Doctor but written up and signed for by an admitting doctor at Galway.
(On admission at Galway I’m judged as Well).
I’m then independently interviewed by another doctor, and my account of my own history differs substantially from the UK doctors – one example being that prior to hospitalization at the UK Maudsley Hospital I had spent several months in Amsterdam Holland, but there’s no mention of Amsterdam in the UK History.
After this I’m heavily medicated.
On my records the Irish doctor that took my independent personal History disappears, and my Irish Consultant Psychiatrist rewrites the History in his own hand and redates it to several days later.
I remain disabled and suicidal until I stop taking depot injection “medication”.
In 1986 I inform my Consultant Psychiatrist at an interview that the drugs (Akathisia) were causing my disability and suicide attempts. The next time I meet him he informs me he is going away on sabbatical to Canada.
In 1999 the original (1980) UK accompanying doctor (now a psychiatrist) commits suicide, and within six months the original 1980 doctor at Galway (who recorded my MH Formulation) (now also a UK psychiatrist) is barred from practising medicine and struck off in the next year. (He didn’t attend the hearings as he had already left Europe).
I discover in 2012 that my name had been put on a Severe Mental Illness Register by my UK GP in 2002 (who suffered a psychosis in 2011 and had been asked to leave the GP practice).
I made my complaints to his replacement and I demonstrated that in 1986 I had written to Galway asking them to send Adverse drug Reaction Warning to the UK concerning drugs that had caused problems, and that Galway doctors had sent over a negative account on me to the UK with ADR Warning deliberately Omitted. During these conversations my GP sweated so much that his shirt completely stuck to his body.
My GP guaranteed me in writing that diagnosis had been removed. But when I spotted evidence of diagnosis remaining I challenged my GP in writing and He responded in writing contradicting his guarantee.
I complained to the General Medical Council. They told me that they still judged my GP to be safe and this was what mattered to them. 3 months later my GP was involved in the homicide of a patient.
My own experience in the UK NHS is that overall the standards are quite professional, until the doctor goes into Mental Health and he/she starts behaving like a “petty criminal”.
I wouldn’t be in favour of replacing the term “schizophrenia” I would be in favour of getting rid of it. I would be in favour of getting rid of the term “psychosis” as well.
(30 plus years ago, I was diagnosed as chronically “schizophrenic” until I stopped taking “medication” suitable for “schizophrenia” – but I had to come off the “medication” very carefully).
Thank you Jo Ann,
This is a first class Article.
Its nice to see you again. I think its because of bad advice.
My experience is that the officially funded MH facilities have little to offer, but that there are successful alternatives available outside of the official system (in terms of happiness in life).
To me you sound a bit official. Would you mind me asking you what your relationship is to “mental health”.
Its probably the “health worker” that has no idea. There’s such a thing as sabotage of “mindfulness” or anything good thats not “medical”.
Thank You Anders,
I don’t believe in “Schizophrenia”:- because a person has got to think compulsively to become “Schizophrenic”, and this is what most people do.
When I showed (a friend) a psychiatric social worker a complaint* I had made concerning a medication that had nearly killed me he told me that I could easily be killed for making the connection.
“..Arriving at Charing Cross Hospital he told hospital staff “I sincerely believe that there is an organisation of people out to discredit and humiliate me and to induce me to kill myself. I know that this sounds like the content of a paranoid schizophrenic delusion but nevertheless I believe it to be true…” Author Peter Chadwick
“…Later, she was referred for psychotherapy…”
‘’..Thanks to this, I was able to leave my unhappy relationship. My depression lifted, and I needed no more treatment of any sort…”
– Dr Sue Cunliffe
Unfortunately Institutional Corruption has gone right through the system (It really is Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime).
My theory is that, with mechanisation (which already has the capacity to take over), people need to be made redundant and psychiatry is a good way to do this.
I don’t think there is any treatment for “schizophrenia” – tranquillisers are used but that’s it.
A well person cooperating with the “tranquilliser” approach invariably becomes “sick in the head” themselves.
Death of two brothers:-
“Meds” or “Schizophrenia”?
CBT suggests a “quick fix”, but there’s no quick fix. Some “CBT” has helped me though. I think Catastrophisation is a good word because it’s something everyone does, but the poor loony gets blamed for doing it!
In the UK if someone makes longterm recovery from a “Severe Diagnosis” “they” don’t acknowledge this Recovery and attempt to learn from the process:-
“They” put the Recovered Persons name on a Severe Mental Illness Register thus (generically) pulling them straight back into the System.
The only solution would have to be outside the system.
I wouldn’t fancy your job.
I thought I had left Psychiatry in Ireland in 1984, but unbeknowns to me the GP I was seeing in London had reinvented Severe Mental Illness for me in 2002, (but without telling me – while I worked on Building Sites): –
He had included my name on a Severe Mental Illness Register (to make a few quid) and was recording the non reappearance of psychotic symptoms that I had never even suffered from (to begin with), and keeping my actual circumstances off the records.
But Dr Dominique Dock was to suffer a psychosis himself eventually, and was asked to leave the (Central London) Medical Centre:-
There was a medication prescribed Seroquel, at 25mg per day:- but unbeknown to Dr Dock this had no Psychiatric effect whatsoever and was only suitable for off label use.
Dear Dr Peter,
I believe you might have previously stated that people can even recover from “Schizophrenia” without “medication” and with basic psychotherapy, or even non professional human support:- In my experience this is true.
Having said this my Recovery followed 4 yrs on Strong Psychiatric drugs, and my main problem had been the drugs.
I can describe the Psychothereuptic process that worked – it was similar to: 12 Step “Psychotherapy”; or Bhuddhist “Psychotherapy”; or CBT “Psychotherapy”.
(.. and I was no longer disabled once I stopped taking “medication”)
When a young person gets injured in a sporting accident the treatment might involve “pain killers”, resetting the injury, and maybe some rehabilitation – which is likely to cost a limited investment at the time.
When a young person has a “breakdown” they need the same type of investment in the sense of putting things right. BUT what’s on offer in this situation is “painkillers” and a lifelong disability check (with an eventual cost of $$ millions).
Yes you can, ds_ghoste.
My Recipe would be to come off drugs very carefully (because they cause the disability); and practise basic psychotherapy.
People don’t suffer from “Schizophrenia”, they suffer from “breakdowns”.
“Whiskey” is short for “Uisce Beatha” which means “Water of Life”.
Thanks James and Alita,
It sounds like the exact opposite to the (lunatic) Official Approach (and that’s why it works).
(Recovery from “schizophrenia” IMO can be scientifically seen in the economics of the outcome).
5 million deaths in 10 years is a HOLOCAUST.
..occupational environment dysfunction seems to be the norm as well, and it’s so insiduous it’s often difficult even to identify.
Family dysfunction is the norm!
You express It much better than I could.
HOLOCAUST is the right word.
The best intervention would be to carefully reduce and stop poisoning the “schizophrenics”.
“Schizophrenics” take chemicals that “switch them off”. Anyone like this, will die a lot sooner.
The solution is euthanasia. This is what’s happening, isn’t it?
Robert Whitaker put his finger on it with the phrase “High Anxiety”.
To me it’s a sad state of affairs – when “experts” don’t know anything. “Schizophrenia” can only be cured without “medication”.
My experience was in the 1980s and my Consultant Psychiatrist (in Ireland) kept telling me that my problem was that I couldn’t hold down a job (- but I had to come off my “medication” to get to this position).
The day when most “workers” can be replaced by machines is not too far away. So how is “capitalism” going to deal with this?
Scientists are developing a pill for loneliness.
Please don’t worry
I’m definitely talking from my own experience and outlook.
On the subject of “prognosis” after nearly 4 years in the psychiatric system my “prognosis” was atrocious – and what followed was 35 years of Wellness.
(As regards Suicidal Tendency I’m referring to drug induced Akathisia – and for me I had no control whatsoever).
On the subject of 12 Step I believe there’s a basic rule (in life) that says that anything a person takes to relieve anxiety will make the anxiety worse in the long run.
(I’m not good under physical pain, and if I was in real pain I would probably take anything to relieve it).
I hope you write here again.
Thank you Fr John,
This is a really beautiful offering. It makes a lot of sense to me and its where I’m at right now.
(I recognise the leader of the Greek Orthodox Church in London, he walks around all the time, and the last time I saw him he was drinking a cup of coffee in McDonalds).
This I believe is because of the “medication” (starting, stopping, changing).
(A “schizophrenic” is also most likely to kill themselves in the early years after “diagnosis” and here again I believe this to be because of “medication” (- it takes a number of years for a person to familiarise themselves to psychiatric drugs)).
There are also alternatives within psychotherapy to the strongest psychiatric drugs available.
A lot of people on these “medications” are forced to take them, and the treatment can in a sense be a “death sentence”.
Thank for the Article, Sera. I agree with madmom.
I experienced a number of suicidal hospitalizations and extrapyramidal disability in the early 1980s at Galway Southern Ireland. The Hospitalisations and the Disability stopped when I stopped the “medication”:-
Scottish researchers find 100 genes linked to depression – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47118009
“..Depression will affect one person in six and is the world’s biggest cause of disability…”
Alcohol if its compatible, is probably the safest drug to take as most of the information is freely available.
I identify with you.
Many years later I’m still suffering withdrawal as s result if stopping one quarter of a 25mg Seroquel tablet ( I stopped 6 mg of Seroquel). But I had no choice as this tiny drug was causing frightening drops on heart beats , and in the morning I noticed my chest area was pink and the rest of me pure white.
Seroquel at 25mg per day is limited in some countries as this dosage has no psychiatric effect, (it’s effective for sleeping), – but can be very dangerous.
The “psychotics” take their chances.
Thanks again Alex.
Recognizing this is like the “get out clause”.
Yes, that’s what I meant to say. I think also, that lots of people might be trapped in fairly troubled heads but they don’t go so far as making it too obvious.
I consumed neuroleptic injections for a number of years in Ireland (a country without compulsary treatment in the community), and over this period of time (according to my medical records) was getting worse and worse. Then, I came off this medication with extreme difficuly; and a Dreadful Terminal Diagnosis.
I owe my basic survival to One Tool:- and that’s recognizing that when I’m “stressed” I think a certain way, and when I’m not “stressed” I think differently (and productively).
THE EVIDENCE WITHIN THE UK
If a “normal person” takes Valium they will eventually develop an Anxiety condition (regardless), and it’s the same only worse with “Antipsychotics”.
A 2nd Generation African Person in the UK is at least 10 times more likely to be diagnosed with “Schizophrenia” as a White UK Person. The reason the majority of these Misdiagnosed People do not recover is because of the brain damaging effects of the “Antipsychotics”.
If you look at Countries in Africa, most “mental illness” is temporary. If “Schizophrenia” is a chronic disorder this can only be as a result of “medical involvement”.
I got a lot of “recovery” from “Buddism” and most people on MIA that Fully Recover seem to as well. But I do understand what you mean.
And all of this is (in my experience) unnecessary.
Wayne Dyer saved my bacon.
“…Drugs like Clozapine are used by the military for torture purposes. Healthy volunteers commit suicide after a few days exposure to them…”
Somewhere along the line “mental health” doctors have given themselves permission to kill their patients (and this has been accepted by the regulators).
When I complained at Galway (Southern Ireland, circa 2013) about my own “near death” experience on psychiatric drugs – a psychiatrist explained to me that their approach was much the same as everywhere elses. At least this psychiatrist (though psychopathic), was being honest.
When I complained to the Irish Medical Council about my “near death drug experience” – they “laughed” at me.
All Developed Countries are (continuously and knowingly) medically killing their “mentally ill”.
The Nazis did something similar, but only for a short length of time.
“Alcohol and Cannibas lunacy” are not “Schizophrenia”. But treatment of these conditions with psychiatric drugs invariably leads to longterm disability.
This is my own experience. As Dr Peter Breggin says the “medication” can cause chemical imbalances and serious PTSD.
After “treatment” in 1980/1981 I was so wrecked and distorted on “medication” that I had become “longterm mentally ill”. When I tried to come off the “medication” I “relapsed” (again and again) – until I eventually succeeded through a very slow drug taper.
I believe psychiatric drugs can turn anyone into a “Schizophrenic”: In the UK a 2nd generation black man is 10 times more likely to be originally diagnosed with “Schizophrenia” than a UK white man, and maybe 20 times more likely than a 1st Generation black man in the Caribbean. But it’s the treatment that causes the “longterm mental illness”.
I suffered from a type of anhedonia for years after I stopped heavy meds – but meditation changed all of that, and now I’m happy a lot of the time.
Might there be anything other than the “depression”, causing the “..dementia stroke and mortality in older Adults..”
“…As depression is linked to an increase in dementia, stroke, and mortality, a need for depression interventions among older adults is evident…”
Madness might be incapacity to function in a deceptive world.
I think for a person to be excluded the environment has got to be exclusive, (and then everyone might be looking over their shoulder).
They are poisoning people and getting away with it.
It looks like Lundbeck has the power to create reality.
You’re a good daughter, and your father is lucky (in a sense) that you are around.
After 4 years in the Psychiatric System I was written off as completely useless, and then I just about managed to stop the strong drugs – and completely recovered.
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Because it’s like the 2 million people in jail that earn money for the companies that run the jails. There’s an industry that lives off the back of the mentally ill.
James Woods and James Garner once stared in a film together (Promise) where James Woods was a “Schizophrenic” and James Garner was his carer.
But I’ve never in my life come across a “schizophrenic” like James Woods!
Devils Advocate:- If depressed people are likely to kill people, then what about the normal people who take “antidepressants” for one reason or another and also kill people?
When in history did depressed people begin killing people?
Shouldnt it be the SMI s that kill people not the normal people?
Thank you very much Des. It’s important to know what the controversy is about.
“..My formal instruction of resignation as a member of the Royal College of Psychiatrists Saturday November 28 2018..” – Dr Peter Gordon
Update, 8 December 2018:
“….Both the Vice President and President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists have expressed concerns about my mental health. Unknown to me, the Vice President contacted my employers….”
If you think about the amount of money and the public health systems and the political support – then you might think about what might happen to anyone getting in the way!
(I hope I don’t get killed for saying this).
I’ve experienced a little bit of this myself!
“….I can tell you that when chaos is created in a person’s brain with the “antipsychotics,” chaos comes out on the canvas…”
When I wake up in the morning at about 6.10 AM, the most logical idea I have in my head is that I’m “totally finished” – and my only method of survival is not to engage with my logic.
If anyone were caught at the right time (I’d imaginel) “dementia” could be stuck onto them!