In my experience “medication” is more dangerous than “alcohol”.
…like in Medieval times.
Hi Greg,
I agree with cat that you explain things very well. You’re writing is very informative. I hope to read more.
I have never experienced hallucinations. But after coming off “medication” I did suffer from more serious problems than I had had before. But it was possible to do something about this.
Yes, but it’s okay to Kill in Mental Health, isn’t it?
“….despite him and his parents repeatedly telling medics he should not be given it because he had reacted badly to the drug …”
Some people might say NO – but I would say YES.
Hi Ekatrina,
Nice to see you again.
Is this not the way the Dalai Lama was chosen – on the basis of (suspected) reincarnation?
I’m glad to see that the spotlight has been held on the “antidepressant” fiasco.
There’s quite a few people going through very unpleasant longterm “antidepressant” withdrawal syndrome that don’t even know they have it.
But what about Neuroleptic Drug Withdrawal Syndrome (and Neuroleptic drug Withdrawal Rebound Syndrome)?
The British Association of Psychologists have stated, that according to their information, that they can successfully help people that Psychiatrists prescribe Neuroleptics to (- which I firmly believe that they can).
Okay
Rachel,
I was referring to Psychiatry and drug companies as two different entities.
I suffered (Historically) from Akathisia which made me Unpredictable and was the Worst Experience of my Life, and my GP at London W2 has (very recently) entered this onto my records.
I also presented an information document on Akathisia to him, which he avoided to the extent that he was capable.
Most GP s in the UK prescribing SSRI s are very ignorant of the potential effects of these drugs but when they eventually find out they will need “help” themselves.
Dear Philip, its nice to see you again.
The drug companies sell drugs just like the junk food companies sell junk food; of course it’s Psychiatrys responsibility not to poison “patients”.
Dr Allen Frances (et al) identified Fluphenazine Decanoate depot injection as a “killer drug” in 1983, something I am grateful for. He has spoken out against premature intervention of young people on the grounds that most of these young people will never need this. He has stated decent housing to be the one of the most important things a person needs to remain sane. I support all of these points.
But I don’t support “Psychiatric Diagnoses” or “Chemical Solutions” – because I got better as a result of not taking my “medication” with the help of “Psychology”.
Thank you TRM 123,
I am very much with you on the “medication”, causing the longterm “illness”. You only have to look around you.
There’s also the neuroleptic dependency issue, sometimes referred to as Dopamine Supersensitivity Syndrome.
Abrupt neuroleptic withdrawal can drive a person into crisis. But even a careful drug taper can be very difficult, (because of the neuroleptic effects on the brain during consumption).
I found that it can take years to successfully withdraw from neuroleptics. In my opinion neuroleptic drug withdrawal syndrome is more “malignant” than “mental illness”.
But it is possible to withdraw from neuroleptics and recover completely as a result.
Terry Lynch also mentions in his writings that in between “Episodes”, people with “SMI” Diagnoses are rarely “well”.
The only people that I know, that get “well” are the people that switch to “non drug ” alternatives.
Thanks Andri,
I second everything Someone Else has said. Robert Whitaker describes drug Withdrawal as a “High Anxiety” experience – but you’ll get there in the end.
Thanks Concerned Carer,
I had hospitalization after hospitalization while I consumed the neuroleptic injection (1980 to 1984), and my records reflect a non recovery situation. My last hospitalization was in 1984 with a very poor Prognosis – and then full Recovery.
I did suffer from what Robert Whitaker describes (very accurately ) as (neuroleptic withdrawal) “High Anxiety” BUT this responded successfully to practical inexpensive psychotherapy.
The practical Psychotherapy was the key.
How much Seroquel were you taking?
I took very low dose Seroquel about 6 mg per night for years. But when I stopped my sleeping went haywire. It took a number of years to come back to normal.
I also had liver problems for quite a while when I stopped, I think this was possibly due to the absence of chemicals passing through my system.
Lawrence,
Everything you say is true, and you express it very eloquently.
Are the Drug Dealers influential enough to control the government?
Concerned Carer
I was happy to “decline” neuroleptics to begin with – but after several years of neuroleptic consumption I was incapable of surviving without them. So as far as I can see the drugs are causing the problems.
(..at the end of the Day any problems I had responded to a non drug approach).
Congratulations Dr Breggin, after years of hard work. This could be the beginning of the end of “Electric Shock Treatment”.
I never experienced hallucinations – I just didn’t.
My doctor (at the time) concocted “voices” out of my own normal (social) thought to record the “symptom”. Once I was then put onto “medication” – I was finished.
The way I felt when I tried to come off “medication” was such that I believed I did suffer from an “illness”. Many many people end up in psychiatry in the same way.
Someone else,
I took a lot longer than a month to withdraw – I took years. But it didn’t matter once I was on low dose levels.
If the doctors could stop diagnosing people as “schizophrenic”, then they could stop prescribing the dead end neuroleptics, which turn people into non funtioning vegetables.
The withdrawal syndromes are often longterm and drive people back onto the drugs.
Sylvain,
Once I got off the injection I was no longer disabled, and could become independent of Psychiatry.
But I found that I didn’t return with the same “brain” as I started with, and levelling myself off was a big job. However, once I moved onto the taper I never “relapsed” again, or had another hospitalisation.
So, coming off the strong medication returned me to longterm wellness!
Permanent discontinuation of Modecate (fluphenazine decanoate) injection by end of December 2018
I believe this drug is being discontinued Worldwide.
Are we talking about Relapse or Rebound?
“..A Depot Neuroleptic Withdrawal Study..”
:…A controlled study of the clinical effects of the withdrawal of depot fluphenazine decanoate and depot flupenthixol decanoate in chronic schizophrenic patients…”*
This study quotes a withdrawal FAILURE Rate of 97%. But I believe neuroleptic drug Withdrawal Syndrome overides any original problems.
I believe the “Chronic Schizophrenics” were trapped.
My target was to come off Depot Injection medication because this drug was genuinely Disabling (extrapyramidal).
I was given permission by my Psychiatrist to stop Depot (abruptly) but I FAILED and ended up in hospital several times as a result, until I went on oral medication and tapered very carefully.
After this I consumed very very low oral doses for many years until the drugs eventually disappeared of their own accord.
RESULT
For me It was possible to come off the Depot Injection Medication but only very carefully – and this was something that the Doctor didn’t know.
PROJECTED OUTCOME
I believe a 97% Depot Withdrawal SUCCESS Rate could be Projected with – A Careful Withdrawal Approach.
*The above study is dated, but I think it’s appropriate as an example.
It reminds me a bit of 1930s Europe.
Homeless and Suicidal Deaths in America are very very sad but I think that this is more a society problem than a medication problem.
I did act out myself during my psychiatric career of 1980 to 1984 – and this was in the form of self harm. But ALL of this stopped when I managed to stop taking drugs suitable for Severe Mental Illness.
Surely, if Hearing Voices Network works – it works. The only reason I can see that a Psychiatrist would object would be their own failure (to help) in this area.
Hi Bob,
Peter Gøtzsche is a real doctor and a friend to decent medicine.
He has said that people don’t generally get on well with neuroleptics, and that it wasn’t too hard to recover completely from “Schizophrenia” with basic human support. I think most genuinely recovered people would agree with this.
There’s no surge in mental illness, life is always difficult. The medicalisation disables.
littleturtle,
Basically – once a person ‘has a Diagnosis’ – ‘getting better’ is not recognised. The person is considered Severely Mentally Ill for life, regardless.
The UK Severe Mental Illness Register can be acessed by any Health Professional so a person can be identified at a press of a button.
My experience is that ‘medical treatment’ becomes worse not better with this identification, and when a person complains doctors ‘close ranks’.
It’s a bit like the Star of David.
THE UK ‘NOT ALLOWED TO GET BETTER’ REGISTER
“..SMI referes to all individuals that have received a diagnosis of schizophrenia or bipolar affective disorder…”
I discovered my name on the Severe Mental Illness Register at London W2 5LT in 2012 :- 28 years after I had recovered. When I complained I was targeted.
Hi bc,
I think they’re worse than no treatment whatsoever, in comparison to the results from ‘poor’ countries that can’t afford any neuroleptics whatsoever.
I think the “Pathologising” is the issue.
“Dear Oprah
Drop the Disorder:- These problems can be approached in normal human terms and the evidence is there from people with the experience (the people that have committed their names to this article).
You support your own choice of Spiritual Innovators like Wayne W Dyer and Eckhart Tolle, and in my own personal experience workable solutions to the problems of “Schizophrenia” can be found in their teachings.
My experience is that the neuroleptic drugs mentioned in the Article (above) actually cause more serious problems in the long run, and “lock” people into longterm “Disability”.
I think the main problem is the Pathologisation.”
Rasselas.Redux.
Wow! You did well.
Rasselas.Redux
Not in the circles I mix in!
As regards Dopamine Supersensitivity Syndrome – Once a person can recognise a route out of the ‘Catastrophy’ they’re mostly cured.
I would recommend Eckhart Tolle in the ‘Power of Now’s’ approach to the ‘Pain Body’ (the store of unresolved grief that can arise and overwhelm any normal person).
I recommend Eckhart Tolle because he explains things very well and his advice works.
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Thanks Will,
I always love reading your articles.
“…When I finally came off Navane it was with no support and I just stopped taking the drugs, following a doctor’s instruction that I quit abruptly, with no taper or gradual reduction. I spiraled into a psychotic crisis..”
It was the exact same with me (as regards drug withdrawal).
I suffered from extrapyramidal disability while I consumed the drugs (above) (and was considered ‘non recovered’ due to my disability). When I complained I was given the option (by my Psychiatrist, above) of drug discontinuation in October of 1983.
In December 1983 I was admitted to hospital at Galway Ireland, and the ‘medication’ was re introduced and raised.
I had a suicide attempt in early 1984 (Acute Akathisia), and I was hospitalised again. After leaving hospital I tried to withdraw again, but it was too much for me, so I asked for an alternative medication with less side effects, and I was offered Depixol as an alternative.
A few days later I was injected with Depixol and after 24 hrs I started going mad (with Acute Akathisia). I gained entry into hospital, with difficulty, and I remained in hospital for less than 48 hrs discharging myself when the Acute Akithisia had passed. This admission in April 1984 was my last hospitalization.
I asked for Oral ‘medication’ after this, and I carefully tapered from there. With luck I gained an insight into Neuroleptic Withdrawal “High Anxiety” – which I definitely suffered from; and I learned how to cope with the “High Anxiety”.
As soon as I came off the disabling ‘medication’ I was able to get back into productive employment, and was then considered recovered. The strange thing was that originally in 1980 I was happy to refuse medication, but in 1984 I couldn’t survive without it.
By 1990 I had cut medication to 25mg per day of thioradazine – suitable for hiccoughs. This was changed to 25 mg per day Seroquel (suitable for nothing) in 2005, which eventually disappeared of its own accord.
In 1985/1986 during an interview, my Psychiatrist complimented my recovery and asked me how it had come about. I told him that I had recovered as a result of stopping the disabling ‘medication’ that he had me on, and that these drugs had also caused my Suicidal reactions.
At the next appointment my Psychiatrist told me that he was going away for a years Sabbatical to Canada.
Do the psychiatrists have to take medication as well or are they outside of the big wheel of life.
I agree with you about the psychotherapy time wasting. I used to do drama improvisation as a hobby, and interestingly I found that improvisation skills worked (and could be learnt).
Of course they should.
I belong to the MAD tribe, above all others.
I’m talking about independent self help groups where people feel completely comfortable sharing personal and traumatic life stories without psychedelics, without chemicals, and without “therapists”.
The thing about independent groups is that everyone is there for their own purpose,and they’re all mad anyway, so no one can reliably grass anyone else up.
I’m proven well for 30 years as a result of not taking “medication” (in Ireland). In 2016 my GP (in the UK) gave me a sheet of paper though not realising, that at the end of the sheet, it stated “that the patient had an undisputed diagnosis of schizophrenia”.
How do I argue with that?
I don’t have a Diagnosis of Schizophrenia, my GP Surgery altered the record to match an “assumed” Diagnosis on the system, and I have other worthwhile evidence as well.
I will be “arguing”.
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:
This environment was a safe and appropriate place to confide in, with no professional “help” or “analysis” or chemicals.
I was at independent selfsupporting meeting of a group of people about a year ago, during which the most extreme traumatic and personal experiences were shared in a factual and friendly manner. When I shared that they had “discovered” that the drug “Ecstasy” could give people the ability to share personal stories and connect – everybody in the room burst out laughing.
Lovely, Michael,
You’ve put in words what I ve been feeling but couldn’t exactly grasp. I was talking to a friend of mine about the same thing and I’ll send him your blog!
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:
DR NORMAL: “NO REASON WHY…”
Dr George Simons, London W2 5LT, July 20 2016 following an Appointment, provided me with a copy of the notes stating in BLOCK CAPITALS (first entry): “..I SEE NO REASON WHY MR (ME) COULD NOT WORK ON A BUILDING SITE …”
GOING CRAZY:
At this Appointment July 20 2016, Dr Simons also provided me with an Information Sheet from his “Legal Adviser” which stated towards the end of the page that the Patient had An “Undisputed Medical Diagnosis of SCHIZOPHRENIA” (below).
RECORD ALTERATION
The “Diagnosis of SCHIZOPHRENIA” had required an ALTERATION of the original 1986 Irish Record Summary to match the “assumed” Diagnosis already on the Medical System (prior to 2002/03).
Please compare final paragraphs of the two examples below:
1980 TO 1984 DISABLED
Suicidal, Disabled, and costing money.
1984 TO 2018 WELL
I made Recovery in 1984 as a result of carefully stopping treatment suitable for Severe Mental Illness, and I have remained well (and cost free) since, and I can substantiate this.
SMI FRAUD CENTRAL LONDON
W2 5LT had placed my name on a SMI Register in 2002/03 (without interviewing me, assessing me or telling me ) while I worked as a Building Subcontractor in the House of Parliament, and were claiming for me as an Severely Mentally Ill Person.
I’m experiencing difficulty getting my posts up on Rxisk and David Healy Blog concerning Akathisia. I think the interference is external.
“…..A NARSAD Grant is one of the highest distinctions in the field of mental health research.
The Brain and Behaviour Research Foundation is the top non-governmental funder of mental health research grants, which awarded a total of $3.9 million to 40 mid-career scientists from 36 institutions in 10 countries. The funding will support basic research, new technologies, early intervention/diagnostic tools, and next-generation therapies for schizophrenia, depression, bipolar disorder…..”
“….Research Investigator, Dr Derek Morris from the School of Natural Sciences at NUI Galway, said: “Schizophrenia is desperately in need of new drug treatments as current anti-psychotic drugs, discovered serendipitously more than 50 years ago, are only partially effective and do not treat the cognitive deficits in patients that most affect their quality of life.” …”
They already know how to cure “Schizophrenia”, and how to Improve the quality of life.
It’s just common sense.
…and the series is full of Psychopaths.
How about “The Wire” – as there are dead bodies hidden all over the place.
Thanks a lot Julie,
I’m fortunate that the documentary evidence is available in my own case, to back up what I say.
The Mental Health Systems in both the UK and Ireland are Criminally Corrupt.
I think a big problem is that
1. People are Not Aware that it’s possible to Fully Recover from “Diagnoses” like “Schizophrenia” and “Bi Polar” through rejecting Psychiatric Treatment (and with the help of other people).
2. People are Not Fully Aware that Psychiatric Drugs disable – and that this disability is very expensive to the community.
3. People are Not Fully Aware that Psychiatric drugs are causing most of the MH Violence we see on television; and that a lot of this violence is from people not genuinely “Mentally Ill” to begin with.
4. People are Not Aware that most of the Suicides among the “Mentally Ill” are caused by the Psychiatric Drugs given to them by their Doctors.
Of course it wasn’t OKAY for Doctors in the 1930s under Hitlers direction to “Mercy Kill” the “Mentally Ill”. And it’s Still Not OKAY for Doctors today in the UK to give themselves permission to Kill the “Mentally Ill”*
*For Evidence of “Legitimised Killing” please follow these LINKS –
*(This drug is now being – discontinued in the UK).
In 1941 Adolph Hitler halted the existing policy of State Supported Mental Health killings which had begun in the late 1930s claiming the lives of more than a hundred thousand vulnerable people – selected by doctors and killed through chemical procedure. This was known as the Mental Health Holocaust.
According to Dr Peter Gotzsche of the Nordic Cochrane Institute the present day misuse of the Psychiatric drug Olanzapine, has in itself killed several hundred thousand vulnerable elderly people.
With Prescripticide, the increase in Homicide is coming from the increase in the “Normal Population” taking MH drugs, not the “Schizophrenics” who privately commit Suicide.
This can be seen on examination of individual Suicide/Homicide cases in Ireland since the large increase of MH drug taking in the “Normal Population” (in the past 10 – 20 years).
It’s always been widely known in Psychiatry that Psychiatric drugs can cause Suicide and Homicide.
Bleular “lived” with “schizophrenics” before “medication”, when Germany was becoming industrialised. Bleulars time overlapped Bismarks who set up the first social welfare system, with a view towards keeping the workers healthy. The problem with the “Schizophrenics” was that they were non conforming and non industrial.
Most “Psychotic” people are not even “Schizophrenic”; they are people going through a crisis – which will resolve itself.
“Psychosis” is very common. It’s “medication” that causes the longterm problem.
Thanks Fred,
The Mental Health System is a Psychopaths playground.
Not just for the Academics but for the Politicians.
“…Yet benefits that come later, even years after a drug approval vote—jobs, money, professional prestige, and influence..”
UK MP Paul Flynn is vocal on Pharmaceutical abuse and performs this good service with the confidence of seniority.
Most politicians would be too frightened – because the lobby is in a position to direct them, not the other way around.
I would say that the only people that genuinely Recover from “Severe Mental Illness” are those that reject the Medical Approach.
This is brilliant news. If a person reduces carefully they can see where the problems are. You might eradicate “Schizophrenia” in Vermont, or turn it into a type of passing event that people recover.from.
As regards Prescripticide these Akathisia figures from Rxisk + Wikipedia more or less wrap things up.
What Dr Peter Gotzsche said was that these drugs were just too dangerous for use.
INITIAL BATTERING NOV 1980.
The “medications” I was given Every Day for two months were: 100 mg Haloperidol per day; 1000 mg of Largactil per day; 50 mg of modecate per month; and ECT and Lithium towards the end of my stay:-
Nondrug Recovery from “Schizophrenia” is being recognised.
Protracted SSRI Withdrawal Syndrome is being recognised.
Neuroleptic Drug Withdrawal/Rebound Syndrome is being recognised.
Neuroleptic Drug Super Sensitivity Syndrome is being recognised.
Drug Induced Increases in MH Disability Rates are being recognised.
Drug Induced Metabolic Syndrome is being recognised.
The overall ineffectiveness of large classes of psychiatric drugs are being recognised.
kumininexile,
I’ve re read your comment and I understand the point, but (I think) unfortunately the idea of MH dangerousness has not reduced because (I believe), a lot more people are consuming drugs that can trigger extreme behavior. I think there’s no getting away from “Akathisia”.
Psychiatric Drugs are not just associated with Prescripticide and Metabolic Syndrome but with longterm disability as well – and a careful cessation or a big reduction of these drugs can result in full longterm recovery.
kumininexile,
I can strongly substantiate the connection between psychiatric drugs and violence with evidence from my own psychiatric diagnosis psychiatric experience and longterm recovery (- to the point of professional criminality).
I have done this in a comment above – with plenty of evidence included – which is under moderation at the moment. In my own case my violence was Suicidal (but only when I consumed drugs suitable for SMI, never before and never after).
Most people consuming Fluphenazine Decoanate long acting Injection, the drug I consumed, Prolixin (in US) Modecate (in UK), would be doing so against their will.
( My Suicidal Tendency is strongly avoided on my records – It is associated with:- 1. Starting 2. Changing 3.Stopping a Psychiatric drug).
Prescripticide:- This was where I was heading before I quit Psychiatry.
The Lowest Quarter:
“…This leaves the final 25% for whom the outlook is not so good. Of these, 15% will lead a chronic course with little or no improvement and involving repeated hospital stays over a prolonged part of their adult life, whilst the final 10% will die usually by their own hand.3…”
“…whilst the final 10% will die usually by their own hand…”3
*If the UK General Medical Council (Ref NS/-AX34X6, Samantha Mills) are prepared to allow a UK Doctor to LIE (as above) about the Removal of Diagnosis of Schizophrenia – this does not say much for the Legitimacy of any UK Mental Health Diagnosis.
“.. believed to be dangerous..” As far as I know the originator of the phrase “Schizophrenia” (Bleular) didn’t think much of “Dementia” as a problem and viewed it as something that lessened over time!
He considered the main problem to be “Association, Autism (as in single minded thinking) Ambivalence and Affect” i.e. nonconforming, to be the “schizophrenic” problem. As a problem this should not exist in western Europe where “basic survival” is guaranteed. But the emphasis today tends to be “.. be dangerousness..”
It seens to me that a lot of todays “dangerousness” as regards “schizophrenia” is medication (and ignorance).
NEAR FATAL MODECATE EXPERIENCE
(FLUPHENAZINE DECOANATE)
INITIAL BATTERING NOV 1980.
The “medications” I was given Every Day for two months were: 100 mg Haloperidol per day; 1000 mg of Largactil per day; 50 mg of modecate per month; and ECT and Lithium towards the end of my stay:-
DISABLED + SUICIDAL 1981 – 1984
Between 1981 and 1984 I experienced 2 Suicide Attempts and a series of Suicidal Hospitalizations + Years of Extrapyramidal Disability.
CHRONIC SCHIZOPHRENIA
By 1983 I was Diagnosed as Chronically Schizophrenic.
PROGNOSIS APRIL 1984
By 1984 I was Diagnosed as Schizoaffective and “Prognosed” as completely Hopeless.
RECOVERY
I made Full Recovery in 1984 as a Result of carefully tapering from the Modecate Depot Injection with the help of Practical Psychotherapy – and I handed back my Disability cheque (permanently).
SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS REGISTER
In October of 2012 I discovered my name on a Severe Mental Illness Register at My GP Surgery at London W2 5LT.
I made an appointment with my GP, and discussed my years of wellness in the UK plus my Historical MH Experience with my him. I showed him the 1986 Adverse Drug Reaction Warning Request Letter and Demonstrated to him, the complete absence of any Adverse Drug Reaction Warning on the 1986 Irish Record Summary, the historical Malpractice from Ireland. By the end of the interview my GP s shirt was sticking to his body – he was terrified.
My GP then Guaranteed me the Removal of Schizophrenia from my Records 3 times in writing, and the Removal of my name from the SMI Register.
A month later by chance I discovered “Schizophrenia” still on the GP information system. So I complained to my GP about this. My GP in Response presented me with a signed letter on practice paper, completely contradicting his previous 3 written guarantees; and placing Full Confidence in my Historical Irish Psychiatrist (below).
THE GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL.
I then complained to the General Medical Council as I considered my GP s behaviour to be unacceptable. But in May of 2013 the GMC politely refused to proceed with my complaint. They stated that in their opinion that the doctors behaviour would not affect his ability to work safely.
I believe my GP was at this time suffering from Traumatic Stress Disorder, and that this should have been obvious to the General Medical Council.
As far as I know if a person comes off these drugs carefully with non drug support (Yoga, Meditation, Exercise, “CBT”, “Talking Treatments”) – they can make Full Longterm Recovery.
This view is also supported by the British Psychological Society.
(I discontinued Lithium in 1982).
I know meditation definitely increases happiness; and a friend of mine that practices CBT claims that its not possible to be depressed without thinking depressed thoughts (and he seems very happy himself).
This is an interesting piece from the BBC on meditation and pain management being taken seriously:-
Within the subject of Murder Suicide “medication” is not mentioned which (as someone who has experienced Acute Akathisia) I believe should be.
“…Among the reasons for murder-suicide are
morbid jealousy, family, financial and social stressors, retaliation or revenge, mercy killing because of declining health, salvation fantasies, rescue and escape from problems. Mental illness, alcohol and drug abuse, with their attendant problems, are a major factor in many of these tragedies.
Family break up and disputes over custody of the children are the driving force in many murder-suicides…”
These tragedies are very real but can be avoided.
Hi Bob,
You’ve done some good research here!
It’s only really becoming evident NOW, due to conscientious persistence, that Prozac CAN cause Suicide.
I was prescribed a tricycle antidepressant in the1980s, and I stopped taking it in 1990. Starting the drug, being on the drug, and stopping the drug made no difference to my mood whatsoever. But by this time I was already chemically experienced.
Within my extended family, four male first cousins of mine on my mother’s side of my family took their own lives on antidepressants. At this time practically “nobody” in Ireland consumed these drugs outside of hospital.
The big increase in SSRIs came before the big increase in “Autism Spectrum”.
Thats what I’m getting: Diagnosis used as Character Asassination whereas with Relevant Background Information included – there’s not much of a problem.
“…Even day-to-day language seems colonized by medical terminology with youngsters describing their feelings using clinical (“I feel depressed”) as opposed to more ordinary language (“I feel unhappy/sad/miserable”)….”
The LINK below is a good example of this type of Brainwashing:
What happens if a person Recovers (No more Disability + No more Hospitalizations) from Severe Mental Illness (Disability + Hospitalizations) through carefully withdrawing from medication?
Is this person allowed to Recover, or are they “A person with A Severe Mental Illness Diagnosis”?
If this is the case, then why spend £100 Million per year on looking for Solutions to “Severe Mental Illness”.
Dear Dr Tamimi, Thank you for this Article.
I would say that “it’s” not even “Scientism”. It’s a lot worse.
I believe in 2018 in the UK that 64 million prescriptions for antidepressants were written up – equivalent to 1 for every man woman and child. But 30 years ago in the UK practically “nobody” consumed antidepressants.
The next thing is that I believe it’s now widely accepted that if a person develops problems quickly after they withdraw from a psychotropic that this would be a withdrawal or rebound problem rather than a return of “illness” problem. This position would contradict the legitimacy of most historical “relapsing as a result of stopping treatment” diagnoses.
It’s like Clockwork on my Records:- when I express truthful disadvantages within “Mental Health” treatment, insinuations of Mental Unwellness have followed.
There are two World Class Eye Hospitals in Central London. At both of these hospitals when I have expressed negative eyesight effects as a result of historical psychotropic consumption, doctors at both of these hospitals have kept what I’ve expressed off the records, and represented me in negative mental health terms instead…
….Even though the negative Psychotropic eye effects expressed by me, are acknowledged to exist by the drug manufacturers themselves on their Drug Information Sheets.
I would imagine that if a doctor were to represent a person truthfully in this regard on their records, that they would not last long at either of these Top Hospitals.
To work in medicine at this level a doctor would have to be corrupt.
First class. The meat industry is very very cruel and causes global warming. When I switched to Vegetarian 2 years ago my happiness levels immediately increased.
The treatment causes the illness – this is my observation as well. So many people that Ive known don’t have so much wrong with them until they enter treatment.
A lot of the people that work in Mental Health that Ive seen are more “peculiar” than their clients.
Hi shaun f,
A person who experiences voices or other hallucinations and can work with a therapist is not psychotic (in my opinion). They’ve got the same problems as anyone else.
(It’s the term “psychosis” that I object to).
Thanks Kindredspirit.
I was “Diagnosed” myself as a young person. I recovered many years ago as a result of carefully not taking medication “suitable” for “Schizophrenia” – but I very nearly didn’t make it.
I didn’t use the skills of Professional Mental Health workers to recover – because in the main, these people do not possess these skills.
By Recovery I mean I no longer cost anything in Mental Health terms, and I was none the worse for this.
Eat nothing but McDonald’s for 3 months and see if you’re depressed!
Psychosis, Psychosis, Psychosis – if the person were Psychotic a Psychotherapist wouldn’t be able to work with them.
Genuine Longterm Recovery would save at least $2 million per person for the country.
(But this would also result in a loss of at least $2 million per person for the longterm illness industry).
Thanks Kerstin,
The emotions have a tendency to transfer themselves onto perfectly legitimate external situations, and it’s easy to get lost!
A lot of professionals are actually totally “uninformed” – they completely believe in the “diagnoses” they treat. They might be completely well meaning people otherwise.
Dear Eric,
I can identify with you.
In my experience “medication” is more dangerous than “alcohol”.
…like in Medieval times.
Hi Greg,
I agree with cat that you explain things very well. You’re writing is very informative. I hope to read more.
I have never experienced hallucinations. But after coming off “medication” I did suffer from more serious problems than I had had before. But it was possible to do something about this.
Yes, but it’s okay to Kill in Mental Health, isn’t it?
“….despite him and his parents repeatedly telling medics he should not be given it because he had reacted badly to the drug …”
Some people might say NO – but I would say YES.
Hi Ekatrina,
Nice to see you again.
Is this not the way the Dalai Lama was chosen – on the basis of (suspected) reincarnation?
I’m glad to see that the spotlight has been held on the “antidepressant” fiasco.
There’s quite a few people going through very unpleasant longterm “antidepressant” withdrawal syndrome that don’t even know they have it.
But what about Neuroleptic Drug Withdrawal Syndrome (and Neuroleptic drug Withdrawal Rebound Syndrome)?
The British Association of Psychologists have stated, that according to their information, that they can successfully help people that Psychiatrists prescribe Neuroleptics to (- which I firmly believe that they can).
Okay
Rachel,
I was referring to Psychiatry and drug companies as two different entities.
I suffered (Historically) from Akathisia which made me Unpredictable and was the Worst Experience of my Life, and my GP at London W2 has (very recently) entered this onto my records.
I also presented an information document on Akathisia to him, which he avoided to the extent that he was capable.
Most GP s in the UK prescribing SSRI s are very ignorant of the potential effects of these drugs but when they eventually find out they will need “help” themselves.
Dear Philip, its nice to see you again.
The drug companies sell drugs just like the junk food companies sell junk food; of course it’s Psychiatrys responsibility not to poison “patients”.
Dr Allen Frances (et al) identified Fluphenazine Decanoate depot injection as a “killer drug” in 1983, something I am grateful for. He has spoken out against premature intervention of young people on the grounds that most of these young people will never need this. He has stated decent housing to be the one of the most important things a person needs to remain sane. I support all of these points.
But I don’t support “Psychiatric Diagnoses” or “Chemical Solutions” – because I got better as a result of not taking my “medication” with the help of “Psychology”.
Thank you TRM 123,
I am very much with you on the “medication”, causing the longterm “illness”. You only have to look around you.
There’s also the neuroleptic dependency issue, sometimes referred to as Dopamine Supersensitivity Syndrome.
Abrupt neuroleptic withdrawal can drive a person into crisis. But even a careful drug taper can be very difficult, (because of the neuroleptic effects on the brain during consumption).
I found that it can take years to successfully withdraw from neuroleptics. In my opinion neuroleptic drug withdrawal syndrome is more “malignant” than “mental illness”.
But it is possible to withdraw from neuroleptics and recover completely as a result.
Terry Lynch also mentions in his writings that in between “Episodes”, people with “SMI” Diagnoses are rarely “well”.
The only people that I know, that get “well” are the people that switch to “non drug ” alternatives.
Thanks Andri,
I second everything Someone Else has said. Robert Whitaker describes drug Withdrawal as a “High Anxiety” experience – but you’ll get there in the end.
Thanks Concerned Carer,
I had hospitalization after hospitalization while I consumed the neuroleptic injection (1980 to 1984), and my records reflect a non recovery situation. My last hospitalization was in 1984 with a very poor Prognosis – and then full Recovery.
I did suffer from what Robert Whitaker describes (very accurately ) as (neuroleptic withdrawal) “High Anxiety” BUT this responded successfully to practical inexpensive psychotherapy.
The practical Psychotherapy was the key.
How much Seroquel were you taking?
I took very low dose Seroquel about 6 mg per night for years. But when I stopped my sleeping went haywire. It took a number of years to come back to normal.
I also had liver problems for quite a while when I stopped, I think this was possibly due to the absence of chemicals passing through my system.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2018/10/government-helps-drug-dealing-doctors-kill-us/
“…Unlike other MDs, psychiatrists and pain doctors can invent infinite chronic (and thus lucrative) illnesses. Each client can be labeled with many different ones; there’s no limit. ..”
Lawrence,
Everything you say is true, and you express it very eloquently.
Are the Drug Dealers influential enough to control the government?
Concerned Carer
I was happy to “decline” neuroleptics to begin with – but after several years of neuroleptic consumption I was incapable of surviving without them. So as far as I can see the drugs are causing the problems.
(..at the end of the Day any problems I had responded to a non drug approach).
Congratulations Dr Breggin, after years of hard work. This could be the beginning of the end of “Electric Shock Treatment”.
I never experienced hallucinations – I just didn’t.
My doctor (at the time) concocted “voices” out of my own normal (social) thought to record the “symptom”. Once I was then put onto “medication” – I was finished.
The way I felt when I tried to come off “medication” was such that I believed I did suffer from an “illness”. Many many people end up in psychiatry in the same way.
Someone else,
I took a lot longer than a month to withdraw – I took years. But it didn’t matter once I was on low dose levels.
If the doctors could stop diagnosing people as “schizophrenic”, then they could stop prescribing the dead end neuroleptics, which turn people into non funtioning vegetables.
The withdrawal syndromes are often longterm and drive people back onto the drugs.
Sylvain,
Once I got off the injection I was no longer disabled, and could become independent of Psychiatry.
But I found that I didn’t return with the same “brain” as I started with, and levelling myself off was a big job. However, once I moved onto the taper I never “relapsed” again, or had another hospitalisation.
So, coming off the strong medication returned me to longterm wellness!
Permanent discontinuation of Modecate (fluphenazine decanoate) injection by end of December 2018
https://www.coventrywarksapc.nhs.uk/News/63a48f96-21eb-45db-bd9e-6e5398dec0d9
I believe this drug is being discontinued Worldwide.
Are we talking about Relapse or Rebound?
“..A Depot Neuroleptic Withdrawal Study..”
:…A controlled study of the clinical effects of the withdrawal of depot fluphenazine decanoate and depot flupenthixol decanoate in chronic schizophrenic patients…”*
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7032224/
This study quotes a withdrawal FAILURE Rate of 97%. But I believe neuroleptic drug Withdrawal Syndrome overides any original problems.
I believe the “Chronic Schizophrenics” were trapped.
My target was to come off Depot Injection medication because this drug was genuinely Disabling (extrapyramidal).
I was given permission by my Psychiatrist to stop Depot (abruptly) but I FAILED and ended up in hospital several times as a result, until I went on oral medication and tapered very carefully.
After this I consumed very very low oral doses for many years until the drugs eventually disappeared of their own accord.
RESULT
For me It was possible to come off the Depot Injection Medication but only very carefully – and this was something that the Doctor didn’t know.
PROJECTED OUTCOME
I believe a 97% Depot Withdrawal SUCCESS Rate could be Projected with – A Careful Withdrawal Approach.
*The above study is dated, but I think it’s appropriate as an example.
It reminds me a bit of 1930s Europe.
Homeless and Suicidal Deaths in America are very very sad but I think that this is more a society problem than a medication problem.
I did act out myself during my psychiatric career of 1980 to 1984 – and this was in the form of self harm. But ALL of this stopped when I managed to stop taking drugs suitable for Severe Mental Illness.
Surely, if Hearing Voices Network works – it works. The only reason I can see that a Psychiatrist would object would be their own failure (to help) in this area.
Hi Bob,
Peter Gøtzsche is a real doctor and a friend to decent medicine.
He has said that people don’t generally get on well with neuroleptics, and that it wasn’t too hard to recover completely from “Schizophrenia” with basic human support. I think most genuinely recovered people would agree with this.
There’s no surge in mental illness, life is always difficult. The medicalisation disables.
littleturtle,
Basically – once a person ‘has a Diagnosis’ – ‘getting better’ is not recognised. The person is considered Severely Mentally Ill for life, regardless.
The UK Severe Mental Illness Register can be acessed by any Health Professional so a person can be identified at a press of a button.
My experience is that ‘medical treatment’ becomes worse not better with this identification, and when a person complains doctors ‘close ranks’.
It’s a bit like the Star of David.
THE UK ‘NOT ALLOWED TO GET BETTER’ REGISTER
“..SMI referes to all individuals that have received a diagnosis of schizophrenia or bipolar affective disorder…”
I discovered my name on the Severe Mental Illness Register at London W2 5LT in 2012 :- 28 years after I had recovered. When I complained I was targeted.
Hi bc,
I think they’re worse than no treatment whatsoever, in comparison to the results from ‘poor’ countries that can’t afford any neuroleptics whatsoever.
I think the “Pathologising” is the issue.
“Dear Oprah
Drop the Disorder:- These problems can be approached in normal human terms and the evidence is there from people with the experience (the people that have committed their names to this article).
You support your own choice of Spiritual Innovators like Wayne W Dyer and Eckhart Tolle, and in my own personal experience workable solutions to the problems of “Schizophrenia” can be found in their teachings.
My experience is that the neuroleptic drugs mentioned in the Article (above) actually cause more serious problems in the long run, and “lock” people into longterm “Disability”.
I think the main problem is the Pathologisation.”
Rasselas.Redux.
Wow! You did well.
Rasselas.Redux
Not in the circles I mix in!
As regards Dopamine Supersensitivity Syndrome – Once a person can recognise a route out of the ‘Catastrophy’ they’re mostly cured.
I would recommend Eckhart Tolle in the ‘Power of Now’s’ approach to the ‘Pain Body’ (the store of unresolved grief that can arise and overwhelm any normal person).
I recommend Eckhart Tolle because he explains things very well and his advice works.
.
Thanks Will,
I always love reading your articles.
“…When I finally came off Navane it was with no support and I just stopped taking the drugs, following a doctor’s instruction that I quit abruptly, with no taper or gradual reduction. I spiraled into a psychotic crisis..”
It was the exact same with me (as regards drug withdrawal).
https://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/ps.49.10.1361-b
I suffered from extrapyramidal disability while I consumed the drugs (above) (and was considered ‘non recovered’ due to my disability). When I complained I was given the option (by my Psychiatrist, above) of drug discontinuation in October of 1983.
In December 1983 I was admitted to hospital at Galway Ireland, and the ‘medication’ was re introduced and raised.
I had a suicide attempt in early 1984 (Acute Akathisia), and I was hospitalised again. After leaving hospital I tried to withdraw again, but it was too much for me, so I asked for an alternative medication with less side effects, and I was offered Depixol as an alternative.
A few days later I was injected with Depixol and after 24 hrs I started going mad (with Acute Akathisia). I gained entry into hospital, with difficulty, and I remained in hospital for less than 48 hrs discharging myself when the Acute Akithisia had passed. This admission in April 1984 was my last hospitalization.
I asked for Oral ‘medication’ after this, and I carefully tapered from there. With luck I gained an insight into Neuroleptic Withdrawal “High Anxiety” – which I definitely suffered from; and I learned how to cope with the “High Anxiety”.
As soon as I came off the disabling ‘medication’ I was able to get back into productive employment, and was then considered recovered. The strange thing was that originally in 1980 I was happy to refuse medication, but in 1984 I couldn’t survive without it.
By 1990 I had cut medication to 25mg per day of thioradazine – suitable for hiccoughs. This was changed to 25 mg per day Seroquel (suitable for nothing) in 2005, which eventually disappeared of its own accord.
In 1985/1986 during an interview, my Psychiatrist complimented my recovery and asked me how it had come about. I told him that I had recovered as a result of stopping the disabling ‘medication’ that he had me on, and that these drugs had also caused my Suicidal reactions.
At the next appointment my Psychiatrist told me that he was going away for a years Sabbatical to Canada.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rca_pEdngRg8EfBgShSfyMnLyU3Zjz6O/view?usp=drivesdk
Dr Furmann,
Do the psychiatrists have to take medication as well or are they outside of the big wheel of life.
I agree with you about the psychotherapy time wasting. I used to do drama improvisation as a hobby, and interestingly I found that improvisation skills worked (and could be learnt).
Of course they should.
I belong to the MAD tribe, above all others.
I’m talking about independent self help groups where people feel completely comfortable sharing personal and traumatic life stories without psychedelics, without chemicals, and without “therapists”.
The thing about independent groups is that everyone is there for their own purpose,and they’re all mad anyway, so no one can reliably grass anyone else up.
I’m proven well for 30 years as a result of not taking “medication” (in Ireland). In 2016 my GP (in the UK) gave me a sheet of paper though not realising, that at the end of the sheet, it stated “that the patient had an undisputed diagnosis of schizophrenia”.
How do I argue with that?
I don’t have a Diagnosis of Schizophrenia, my GP Surgery altered the record to match an “assumed” Diagnosis on the system, and I have other worthwhile evidence as well.
I will be “arguing”.
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:
The drug that brought me down to Earth – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-45084564
Surely you must be wrong!
This environment was a safe and appropriate place to confide in, with no professional “help” or “analysis” or chemicals.
I was at independent selfsupporting meeting of a group of people about a year ago, during which the most extreme traumatic and personal experiences were shared in a factual and friendly manner. When I shared that they had “discovered” that the drug “Ecstasy” could give people the ability to share personal stories and connect – everybody in the room burst out laughing.
Lovely, Michael,
You’ve put in words what I ve been feeling but couldn’t exactly grasp. I was talking to a friend of mine about the same thing and I’ll send him your blog!
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:
Doctors’ mental health at tipping point – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45356349
EXAMPLE BELOW
DR NORMAL: “NO REASON WHY…”
Dr George Simons, London W2 5LT, July 20 2016 following an Appointment, provided me with a copy of the notes stating in BLOCK CAPITALS (first entry): “..I SEE NO REASON WHY MR (ME) COULD NOT WORK ON A BUILDING SITE …”
Appointment Notes July 20 2016
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15tfYJsPV08EgD1kKBmQkdzzmLy7RiIwe/view?usp=drivesdk
GOING CRAZY:
At this Appointment July 20 2016, Dr Simons also provided me with an Information Sheet from his “Legal Adviser” which stated towards the end of the page that the Patient had An “Undisputed Medical Diagnosis of SCHIZOPHRENIA” (below).
Legal Adviser Sheet July 20 2016
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s-mEHH5pLC5EzWpxjnOLKcylQOTJ-Kvw/view?usp=drivesdk
RECORD ALTERATION
The “Diagnosis of SCHIZOPHRENIA” had required an ALTERATION of the original 1986 Irish Record Summary to match the “assumed” Diagnosis already on the Medical System (prior to 2002/03).
Please compare final paragraphs of the two examples below:
Original Copy of 1986 Record (Pg1)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sJI1h_CcJAY_4Oejx3_DuqeoHA2RZpMC/view?usp=drivesdk
Altered Copy of 1986 Record (Pg 1)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12ZGgq2VPcr4BCeGoHJgzdl7qb7FN64Gg/view?usp=drivesdk
1980 TO 1984 DISABLED
Suicidal, Disabled, and costing money.
1984 TO 2018 WELL
I made Recovery in 1984 as a result of carefully stopping treatment suitable for Severe Mental Illness, and I have remained well (and cost free) since, and I can substantiate this.
SMI FRAUD CENTRAL LONDON
W2 5LT had placed my name on a SMI Register in 2002/03 (without interviewing me, assessing me or telling me ) while I worked as a Building Subcontractor in the House of Parliament, and were claiming for me as an Severely Mentally Ill Person.
I’m experiencing difficulty getting my posts up on Rxisk and David Healy Blog concerning Akathisia. I think the interference is external.
Dr Hadiza Bawa-Garba: GMC boss told position is ‘untenable’ – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-45328100
“…Medics have called for the head of the General Medical Council (GMC) to stand down over his handling of the case…”
NUI Galway Awarded International Grant For Schizophrenia Study
http://ncbes.nuigalway.ie/nui-galway-awarded-international-grant-for-schizophrenia-study/
“…..A NARSAD Grant is one of the highest distinctions in the field of mental health research.
The Brain and Behaviour Research Foundation is the top non-governmental funder of mental health research grants, which awarded a total of $3.9 million to 40 mid-career scientists from 36 institutions in 10 countries. The funding will support basic research, new technologies, early intervention/diagnostic tools, and next-generation therapies for schizophrenia, depression, bipolar disorder…..”
“….Research Investigator, Dr Derek Morris from the School of Natural Sciences at NUI Galway, said: “Schizophrenia is desperately in need of new drug treatments as current anti-psychotic drugs, discovered serendipitously more than 50 years ago, are only partially effective and do not treat the cognitive deficits in patients that most affect their quality of life.” …”
They already know how to cure “Schizophrenia”, and how to Improve the quality of life.
It’s just common sense.
…and the series is full of Psychopaths.
How about “The Wire” – as there are dead bodies hidden all over the place.
Thanks a lot Julie,
I’m fortunate that the documentary evidence is available in my own case, to back up what I say.
The Mental Health Systems in both the UK and Ireland are Criminally Corrupt.
I think a big problem is that
1. People are Not Aware that it’s possible to Fully Recover from “Diagnoses” like “Schizophrenia” and “Bi Polar” through rejecting Psychiatric Treatment (and with the help of other people).
2. People are Not Fully Aware that Psychiatric Drugs disable – and that this disability is very expensive to the community.
3. People are Not Fully Aware that Psychiatric drugs are causing most of the MH Violence we see on television; and that a lot of this violence is from people not genuinely “Mentally Ill” to begin with.
4. People are Not Aware that most of the Suicides among the “Mentally Ill” are caused by the Psychiatric Drugs given to them by their Doctors.
Of course it wasn’t OKAY for Doctors in the 1930s under Hitlers direction to “Mercy Kill” the “Mentally Ill”. And it’s Still Not OKAY for Doctors today in the UK to give themselves permission to Kill the “Mentally Ill”*
*For Evidence of “Legitimised Killing” please follow these LINKS –
https://www.madinamerica.com/2018/08/prescripticide-proposal-action-request-help/#comment-137696
https://www.madinamerica.com/2018/05/antidepressant-withdrawal-can-trap-people/#comment-131809
https://www.madinamerica.com/2018/05/antidepressant-withdrawal-can-trap-people/#comment-131871
*(This drug is now being – discontinued in the UK).
In 1941 Adolph Hitler halted the existing policy of State Supported Mental Health killings which had begun in the late 1930s claiming the lives of more than a hundred thousand vulnerable people – selected by doctors and killed through chemical procedure. This was known as the Mental Health Holocaust.
According to Dr Peter Gotzsche of the Nordic Cochrane Institute the present day misuse of the Psychiatric drug Olanzapine, has in itself killed several hundred thousand vulnerable elderly people.
With Prescripticide, the increase in Homicide is coming from the increase in the “Normal Population” taking MH drugs, not the “Schizophrenics” who privately commit Suicide.
This can be seen on examination of individual Suicide/Homicide cases in Ireland since the large increase of MH drug taking in the “Normal Population” (in the past 10 – 20 years).
It’s always been widely known in Psychiatry that Psychiatric drugs can cause Suicide and Homicide.
Bleular “lived” with “schizophrenics” before “medication”, when Germany was becoming industrialised. Bleulars time overlapped Bismarks who set up the first social welfare system, with a view towards keeping the workers healthy. The problem with the “Schizophrenics” was that they were non conforming and non industrial.
Most “Psychotic” people are not even “Schizophrenic”; they are people going through a crisis – which will resolve itself.
“Psychosis” is very common. It’s “medication” that causes the longterm problem.
Thanks Fred,
The Mental Health System is a Psychopaths playground.
Not just for the Academics but for the Politicians.
“…Yet benefits that come later, even years after a drug approval vote—jobs, money, professional prestige, and influence..”
UK MP Paul Flynn is vocal on Pharmaceutical abuse and performs this good service with the confidence of seniority.
Most politicians would be too frightened – because the lobby is in a position to direct them, not the other way around.
I would say that the only people that genuinely Recover from “Severe Mental Illness” are those that reject the Medical Approach.
This is brilliant news. If a person reduces carefully they can see where the problems are. You might eradicate “Schizophrenia” in Vermont, or turn it into a type of passing event that people recover.from.
As regards Prescripticide these Akathisia figures from Rxisk + Wikipedia more or less wrap things up.
What Dr Peter Gotzsche said was that these drugs were just too dangerous for use.
Steve,
https://rxisk.org/akathisia/
“…Significant symptoms of akathisia occur in:
around 20% of people on an antidepressant.
at least 50% of people on an antipsychotic. On higher doses, this rises to 80% or more..”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akathisia
“..Around half of people on antipsychotics develop the condition…”
“…..Neuro-psychologist Dennis Staker had drug-induced akathisia for two days. His description of his experience was this:
“..It was the worst feeling I have ever had in my entire life. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy…” ”
Prescripticide
Drug induced Akathisia is medically acknowledged to cause suicide.
Hi Darius,
Have a look below
DR RICHARD BENTALL GOES MAD
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://davidhealy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Richard-B-goes-Mad.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjHvpTC7u7cAhUTWsAKHRxpDYYQFjAAegQIABAB&usg=AOvVaw1B0XaD6c1NSTwOx9DrS0iW
INITIAL BATTERING NOV 1980.
The “medications” I was given Every Day for two months were: 100 mg Haloperidol per day; 1000 mg of Largactil per day; 50 mg of modecate per month; and ECT and Lithium towards the end of my stay:-
Daily Drugs Chart example 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R20LgbJwIDqd0VTp755vTBjeEI5hZDaD/view?usp=drivesdk
Daily Drugs Chart example 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sJT81-n1RsZ_bJ4g-dA8P20_wHBEkPKd/view?usp=drivesd
MAD
Dr Richard Bentall went MAD on a lot less.
Dr Richard Bentall
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IlzqwNraKOFLxIU7TjC2tCMTh1fB6tu4/view?usp=drivesdk
Thanks
Now In Europe possibly due to exposure:-
Nondrug Recovery from “Schizophrenia” is being recognised.
Protracted SSRI Withdrawal Syndrome is being recognised.
Neuroleptic Drug Withdrawal/Rebound Syndrome is being recognised.
Neuroleptic Drug Super Sensitivity Syndrome is being recognised.
Drug Induced Increases in MH Disability Rates are being recognised.
Drug Induced Metabolic Syndrome is being recognised.
The overall ineffectiveness of large classes of psychiatric drugs are being recognised.
kumininexile,
I’ve re read your comment and I understand the point, but (I think) unfortunately the idea of MH dangerousness has not reduced because (I believe), a lot more people are consuming drugs that can trigger extreme behavior. I think there’s no getting away from “Akathisia”.
Psychiatric Drugs are not just associated with Prescripticide and Metabolic Syndrome but with longterm disability as well – and a careful cessation or a big reduction of these drugs can result in full longterm recovery.
kumininexile,
I can strongly substantiate the connection between psychiatric drugs and violence with evidence from my own psychiatric diagnosis psychiatric experience and longterm recovery (- to the point of professional criminality).
I have done this in a comment above – with plenty of evidence included – which is under moderation at the moment. In my own case my violence was Suicidal (but only when I consumed drugs suitable for SMI, never before and never after).
Most people consuming Fluphenazine Decoanate long acting Injection, the drug I consumed, Prolixin (in US) Modecate (in UK), would be doing so against their will.
( My Suicidal Tendency is strongly avoided on my records – It is associated with:- 1. Starting 2. Changing 3.Stopping a Psychiatric drug).
Prescripticide:- This was where I was heading before I quit Psychiatry.
https://www.livingwithschizophreniauk.org/information-sheets/can-you-recover-from-schizophrenia/
The Lowest Quarter:
“…This leaves the final 25% for whom the outlook is not so good. Of these, 15% will lead a chronic course with little or no improvement and involving repeated hospital stays over a prolonged part of their adult life, whilst the final 10% will die usually by their own hand.3…”
“…whilst the final 10% will die usually by their own hand…”3
*If the UK General Medical Council (Ref NS/-AX34X6, Samantha Mills) are prepared to allow a UK Doctor to LIE (as above) about the Removal of Diagnosis of Schizophrenia – this does not say much for the Legitimacy of any UK Mental Health Diagnosis.
“.. believed to be dangerous..” As far as I know the originator of the phrase “Schizophrenia” (Bleular) didn’t think much of “Dementia” as a problem and viewed it as something that lessened over time!
He considered the main problem to be “Association, Autism (as in single minded thinking) Ambivalence and Affect” i.e. nonconforming, to be the “schizophrenic” problem. As a problem this should not exist in western Europe where “basic survival” is guaranteed. But the emphasis today tends to be “.. be dangerousness..”
It seens to me that a lot of todays “dangerousness” as regards “schizophrenia” is medication (and ignorance).
NEAR FATAL MODECATE EXPERIENCE
(FLUPHENAZINE DECOANATE)
Near Fatal Modecate Experience Pg 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EY4XDLt04KgmCjg_5wXU-kbVezo_DxL4/view?usp=drivesdk
Near Fatal Modecate Experience Pg 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YTWxPJTtNeTDM9eewkHoSUJr0WpBpu4b/view?usp=drivesdk
DR ALLEN FRANCES 1983
SUICIDAL AKATHISIA
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/16313058_Suicide_Associated_with_Akathisia_and_Depot_Fluphenazine_Treatment
ON PRESENTATION AT GALWAY IN NOV 1980 ACCORDING TO DR FADEL https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBANjBTZEtkbjBhMkU/view?usp=drivesdk
INITIAL BATTERING NOV 1980.
The “medications” I was given Every Day for two months were: 100 mg Haloperidol per day; 1000 mg of Largactil per day; 50 mg of modecate per month; and ECT and Lithium towards the end of my stay:-
Daily Drugs Chart example 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R20LgbJwIDqd0VTp755vTBjeEI5hZDaD/view?usp=drivesdk
Daily Drugs Chart example 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sJT81-n1RsZ_bJ4g-dA8P20_wHBEkPKd/view?usp=drivesd
MAD
Dr Richard Bentall went MAD on a lot less.
Dr Richard Bentall
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IlzqwNraKOFLxIU7TjC2tCMTh1fB6tu4/view?usp=drivesdk
PROGNOSIS AT JAN 1981
Prognosis was Guarded.
DISABLED + SUICIDAL 1981 – 1984
Between 1981 and 1984 I experienced 2 Suicide Attempts and a series of Suicidal Hospitalizations + Years of Extrapyramidal Disability.
CHRONIC SCHIZOPHRENIA
By 1983 I was Diagnosed as Chronically Schizophrenic.
PROGNOSIS APRIL 1984
By 1984 I was Diagnosed as Schizoaffective and “Prognosed” as completely Hopeless.
RECOVERY
I made Full Recovery in 1984 as a Result of carefully tapering from the Modecate Depot Injection with the help of Practical Psychotherapy – and I handed back my Disability cheque (permanently).
Recovered 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PW-wn9GOkiyWAbdzgXuC8cDS-7UPEj0-/view?usp=drivesdk
Recovered 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19xYpA4O4h9h45b_H2PtSBTNFx3ErE-MK/view?usp=drivesdk
1985/86 My Psychiatrist PA Carney Registers as a Non Specialist Doctor Registers in Ontario
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rca_pEdngRg8EfBgShSfyMnLyU3Zjz6O/view?usp=drivesdk
Adverse Drug Reaction Warning Request Letter sent to Galway Nov. 8 1986
ADR Request ltr Pg 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAZlVTbHdBRDFFSHc/view?usp=drivesdk
ADR Request ltr Pg 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAZ0otNjFyN0NJajA/view?usp=drivesdk
ADR Request Ltr Pg 3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAcExwMzhEMVRzdm8/view?usp=drivesdk
MALPRACTICE. Irish Record Summary Sent To UK In Response:- but WITHOUT Requested ADR WARNING
Irish Record Summary Pg 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBATlNoNTlpYy11X28/view?usp=drivesdk
Irish Record Summary Pg 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAMmlqS18xQVZlcms/view?usp=drivesdk
Dr Donlon Kenny False Reasurrance Letter 1986
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAeUFLam5rYmtXd3c/view?usp=drivesdk
“Depot Antipsychotic Revisited Research Paper 1998” From Galway Psychiatrist Dr PA Carney. https://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/ps.49.10.1361-b. 4 out of 10 of the people on these drugs attempt Suicide.
€ 9.6 million from Bristol Myers Squibb http://www.nuigalway.ie/our-research/partners/
SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS REGISTER
In October of 2012 I discovered my name on a Severe Mental Illness Register at My GP Surgery at London W2 5LT.
I made an appointment with my GP, and discussed my years of wellness in the UK plus my Historical MH Experience with my him. I showed him the 1986 Adverse Drug Reaction Warning Request Letter and Demonstrated to him, the complete absence of any Adverse Drug Reaction Warning on the 1986 Irish Record Summary, the historical Malpractice from Ireland. By the end of the interview my GP s shirt was sticking to his body – he was terrified.
My GP then Guaranteed me the Removal of Schizophrenia from my Records 3 times in writing, and the Removal of my name from the SMI Register.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cP_smYn2khLimaiWaJdPO_vGcY-j9_Bl/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F6ArumseTVc3djX09hJf1kc0AJfRvg06/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u2u-VbCCg5BeDJk7H2xGoKqKgZM8qf-H/view?usp=drivesdk
A month later by chance I discovered “Schizophrenia” still on the GP information system. So I complained to my GP about this. My GP in Response presented me with a signed letter on practice paper, completely contradicting his previous 3 written guarantees; and placing Full Confidence in my Historical Irish Psychiatrist (below).
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HPB_xRRJ1cdG0AmkyAXvwrphYYpEwNEe/view?usp=drivesdk
THE GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL.
I then complained to the General Medical Council as I considered my GP s behaviour to be unacceptable. But in May of 2013 the GMC politely refused to proceed with my complaint. They stated that in their opinion that the doctors behaviour would not affect his ability to work safely.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pAQ-35raoR6-QfwKddQ4kgWU5FUbbkJY/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UtVo6amME3bRF4WZJqyis4zfHI-79fQO/view?usp=drivesdk
My GP was involved in a Patient Homicide in July 2013:-
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sailor-died-from-internal-bleeding-after-ae-sent-him-to-minor-care-unit-10288447.html?amp
I believe my GP was at this time suffering from Traumatic Stress Disorder, and that this should have been obvious to the General Medical Council.
As far as I know if a person comes off these drugs carefully with non drug support (Yoga, Meditation, Exercise, “CBT”, “Talking Treatments”) – they can make Full Longterm Recovery.
This view is also supported by the British Psychological Society.
(I discontinued Lithium in 1982).
I know meditation definitely increases happiness; and a friend of mine that practices CBT claims that its not possible to be depressed without thinking depressed thoughts (and he seems very happy himself).
This is an interesting piece from the BBC on meditation and pain management being taken seriously:-
Prostatitis: ‘How I meditated away chronic pelvic pain’ – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44910438
“tricyclic” antidepressant.
From The Irish Samaritans
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.samaritans.org/sites/default/files/kcfinder/files/press/Irish%2520Media%2520Guidelines%25202009.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwit_ojR2tvcAhWjT98KHSFsA5QQFjAHegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw17j6cgq7v42j-pP-Vya2K6
Within the subject of Murder Suicide “medication” is not mentioned which (as someone who has experienced Acute Akathisia) I believe should be.
“…Among the reasons for murder-suicide are
morbid jealousy, family, financial and social stressors, retaliation or revenge, mercy killing because of declining health, salvation fantasies, rescue and escape from problems. Mental illness, alcohol and drug abuse, with their attendant problems, are a major factor in many of these tragedies.
Family break up and disputes over custody of the children are the driving force in many murder-suicides…”
These tragedies are very real but can be avoided.
Hi Bob,
You’ve done some good research here!
It’s only really becoming evident NOW, due to conscientious persistence, that Prozac CAN cause Suicide.
I was prescribed a tricycle antidepressant in the1980s, and I stopped taking it in 1990. Starting the drug, being on the drug, and stopping the drug made no difference to my mood whatsoever. But by this time I was already chemically experienced.
Within my extended family, four male first cousins of mine on my mother’s side of my family took their own lives on antidepressants. At this time practically “nobody” in Ireland consumed these drugs outside of hospital.
The big increase in SSRIs came before the big increase in “Autism Spectrum”.
Thats what I’m getting: Diagnosis used as Character Asassination whereas with Relevant Background Information included – there’s not much of a problem.
“…Even day-to-day language seems colonized by medical terminology with youngsters describing their feelings using clinical (“I feel depressed”) as opposed to more ordinary language (“I feel unhappy/sad/miserable”)….”
The LINK below is a good example of this type of Brainwashing:
https://youtu.be/HOiGm-X8cak
The drug damage is also easy to see.
Dr Timimi,
What happens if a person Recovers (No more Disability + No more Hospitalizations) from Severe Mental Illness (Disability + Hospitalizations) through carefully withdrawing from medication?
Is this person allowed to Recover, or are they “A person with A Severe Mental Illness Diagnosis”?
If this is the case, then why spend £100 Million per year on looking for Solutions to “Severe Mental Illness”.
Dear Dr Tamimi, Thank you for this Article.
I would say that “it’s” not even “Scientism”. It’s a lot worse.
I believe in 2018 in the UK that 64 million prescriptions for antidepressants were written up – equivalent to 1 for every man woman and child. But 30 years ago in the UK practically “nobody” consumed antidepressants.
The next thing is that I believe it’s now widely accepted that if a person develops problems quickly after they withdraw from a psychotropic that this would be a withdrawal or rebound problem rather than a return of “illness” problem. This position would contradict the legitimacy of most historical “relapsing as a result of stopping treatment” diagnoses.
It’s like Clockwork on my Records:- when I express truthful disadvantages within “Mental Health” treatment, insinuations of Mental Unwellness have followed.
There are two World Class Eye Hospitals in Central London. At both of these hospitals when I have expressed negative eyesight effects as a result of historical psychotropic consumption, doctors at both of these hospitals have kept what I’ve expressed off the records, and represented me in negative mental health terms instead…
….Even though the negative Psychotropic eye effects expressed by me, are acknowledged to exist by the drug manufacturers themselves on their Drug Information Sheets.
I would imagine that if a doctor were to represent a person truthfully in this regard on their records, that they would not last long at either of these Top Hospitals.
To work in medicine at this level a doctor would have to be corrupt.
First class. The meat industry is very very cruel and causes global warming. When I switched to Vegetarian 2 years ago my happiness levels immediately increased.
The treatment causes the illness – this is my observation as well. So many people that Ive known don’t have so much wrong with them until they enter treatment.
A lot of the people that work in Mental Health that Ive seen are more “peculiar” than their clients.
Hi shaun f,
A person who experiences voices or other hallucinations and can work with a therapist is not psychotic (in my opinion). They’ve got the same problems as anyone else.
(It’s the term “psychosis” that I object to).
Thanks Kindredspirit.
I was “Diagnosed” myself as a young person. I recovered many years ago as a result of carefully not taking medication “suitable” for “Schizophrenia” – but I very nearly didn’t make it.
I didn’t use the skills of Professional Mental Health workers to recover – because in the main, these people do not possess these skills.
By Recovery I mean I no longer cost anything in Mental Health terms, and I was none the worse for this.
Eat nothing but McDonald’s for 3 months and see if you’re depressed!
Psychosis, Psychosis, Psychosis – if the person were Psychotic a Psychotherapist wouldn’t be able to work with them.
Genuine Longterm Recovery would save at least $2 million per person for the country.
(But this would also result in a loss of at least $2 million per person for the longterm illness industry).
Thanks Kerstin,
The emotions have a tendency to transfer themselves onto perfectly legitimate external situations, and it’s easy to get lost!
A lot of professionals are actually totally “uninformed” – they completely believe in the “diagnoses” they treat. They might be completely well meaning people otherwise.