“….And you say, ‘What happened to all of those beds? What happened to all of that work? And where are those people?’ And in many cases, those people are living on the streets.”…”
“..What happened to all of that work? ..” sounds a bit like locking people up in institutions could provide a living for other people!
And, a person doesn’t have to be “mentally ill” to be “homeless”.
Good Article,
“…Researcher Peter Kinderman remarked that mental illness diagnoses “frequently and uncritically reported as ‘real illnesses’ are in fact made on the basis of internally inconsistent, confused and contradictory patterns of largely arbitrary criteria.”..”
The only requirement for membership to Alcoholics Anonymous is a desire to stop drinking!
Thank you Michael,
Reading your article I was impressed by how absolutely terrible it must have been for you as a young person, all those years ago.
And then you overcame “Schizophrenia” got back to college, got a BA and then an MA, became a Psychologist, and provided services to others, that weren’t available, for you yourself.
Your story is really amazing.
Do you remember the film “The Promise” with James Garner and James Woods? It could have been a bad dream!
The extension of “schizophrenia” is amazing and frightening.
I looked up the Pamphlet and I thought the descriptions were fairly honest.
“….THE HSE AND clinical psychiatrists have strongly criticised pamphlets being delivered across Dublin regarding antipsychotic medicines.
Leaflets warning people about the dangers of taking prescription antipsychotic medication were sent to residents in south Dublin by a group linked to the Church of Scientology in recent weeks.
The pamphlets are titled “Antipsychotics: The facts about the effects”, and are part of what is described as a psychotropic drug series published by the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR)….”
“…..The information contained within this leaflet is misleading, inaccurate and shows no evidence of any understanding of the complex biological, psychological and social contributors to mental illness. The HSE advises that if this leaflet causes concern to any person who is being treated with antipsychotic medication, that they contact their GP or a member of the mental health team that is looking after them. …”
In honesty would Tich Nhat Hanh pass the test, or Eckhart Tolle, or any of the other heavy weights? Would Elanour Longden?
“…The applicants are then rated on the eight qualities that make up FIS: verbal fluency, hope & positive expectation, persuasiveness, emotional expression, warmth & understanding, empathy, alliance capacity, and alliance rupture repair. Only about 10% of peer counselor applicants pass the assessment….”
Joanna
I eventually managed to come off my ‘long acting neuroleptic injection’ many, many years ago through a very careful drug taper, and psychological means – similar to below:-
I’ve remained well since, so there is no such thing as “Schizophrenia”.
KateL,
Please hang in there.
Dear Robert
On the Subject of The Unanswered Question:
Maybe the psychiatric experts were so used to interpreting or misinterpreting symptoms of normal behaviour or so called mental illness at their own convenience – that they had lost the ability to tell the difference (I’m serious).
“….Despite paying $8,000 more a year than anyone else, American families do not have better health outcomes, the economists argue. Life expectancy in the United States is lower than in Europe…”
Professors Angus Deaton and Anne Case.
Most people don’t have “mental illness” to begin with
– they either have “substance problems” or “psychological problems” (hallucinations and delusions included).
The only Factual Recovery from “Schizophrenia” on record, comes from people that reject Psychiatic drugs in favour of a Non Psychiatric approach (often of the ‘Spiritual’ Variety).
It is a Holocaust.
Most of the ‘schizophrenics’ I knew (years ago) in Ireland had very little wrong with them, as far as most people would be able to see, other than the doctors diagnosis.
Their problem was that when they tried to stop taking the ‘drugs’ they got into trouble. But there was no acknowledgement of ‘drug withdrawal syndrome’, so when they developed problems they were seen to be relapsing.
Most of these people are now dead – well before their time.
He describes the Dynamic of Anxiety (and what to do about it) brilliantly. Having said this his “Recovery” happened in a different country.
Thanks Sarah,
This series is very worthwhile.
Life has always been stressful, but I think it’s become a lot more stressful now for the average person and the average (in the process of being deskilled) middle class person – because all the money is going in one direction – and this is being supported worldwide.
There are lots and lots of clever ways to undermine the population majority of unimportant people; and it’s still easy enough to get a very badly paid job.
I’ll have to study all your episodes first, to see if you can suggest any solutions.
A friend of mine is in a self supporting peer group. And the subject of “medication” is a very sensitive point within this group.
My friend said that it was very important NOT to advise anyone on this subject, BUT that a person could always relate their own experience of what worked for them (and what didn’t) in their own Recovery.
Exposure To Strong Psychiatric Drugs Causes “Severe Mental Illness”
A Black Man in England is 10 times more likely to be diagnosed with “Schizophrenia” than a White Man. But Complete Recovery Rates from “Schizophrenia” for Black Men are Not proportionally higher.
I believe this is because Exposure to Neuroleptic Drugs (aka ‘anti psychotics’) causes Long term Mental Illness, regardless of whether a person is, ‘Well’ or ‘Unwell’ to begin with.
Yes!
AKATHISIA
In Psychiatry what causes suicide causes homicide, and psychiatric drugs cause suicide.
The increase in consumption of Psychiatric Drugs in Ireland has created an Epidemic of Homicides and Familicides committed by Normal People taking “medications” for “modern living” related Anxiety.
Whenever I listen to Eckhart Tolle Iearn some, because of his ability to explain and motivate.
The Peers have the success, that the most qualified Psychiatrists don’t. So I think if a person wants a solution they might go to the peers.
Also, even the most qualified Psychiatrists often make people worse.
Dr Peter,
EVIDENCE BASED MEDICINE AND THE EXPULSION…
“….Torrey wrote to call attention to Gøtzsche’s association with an organization called the Hearing Voices Network, which, Torrey claims, “promotes the belief that … auditory hallucinations are merely on end of a normal behavior spectrum.” …”
On this subject (alone) Torrey tends to disagree with you – yet there is ample evidence that you are factually right.
Are you going to present the Evidence…?
.
They’re taking the piss!
In the first three to six months the person is totally unused to drugs and more than likely without information – and the staff are trained to keep quiet. So its a lottery!
“…Males with schizophrenia attempt suicide at a much higher rate than females; approximately 60% of them will make at least one attempt.
Particular times that people with schizophrenia tend to be suicidal include
1) Periods when they are very psychotic and out of touch with reality,
2) Periods when they are very depressed,
3) In the first 6 to 9 months after they have started first taking medications, when they are thinking more clearly and learn that the they have schizophrenia (and all the negative aspects that this connotates)….”
IN MY CASE AND I THINK IN MOST CASES:- NEUROLEPTIC INDUCED AKATHISIA IS CAUSING THE SUICIDE ATTEMPTS…
Since Akathisia can also cause uncontrollable Violence I would say on balance, Society would be safer without Neuroleptic Medication.
“…From paracetamol (known as acetaminophen in the US) to antihistamines, statins, asthma medications and antidepressants, ..” AND NEUROLEPTICS.
NEUROLEPTICS
They are profoundly disabling, and if a person can come off them successfully, then they can regain their ability to perform.
Mood, Personality, and Behavior Changes During Treatment with Statins: A Case Series
“…“Probable” causality was limited to those who experienced occurrence following drug initiation, had the drug discontinued, and improved following drug discontinuation…”
That’s what happened to me with Neuroleptics!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson
“…In 2019, Peterson entered a rehabilitation facility after experiencing symptoms of physical withdrawal when he stopped taking clonazepam, an anti-anxiety drug. He had begun taking the drug upon his doctor’s recommendation following his wife’s cancer diagnosis.[143][…”
.
Mood, Personality, and Behavior Changes During Treatment with Statins: A Case Series
“…“Probable” causality was limited to those who experienced occurrence following drug initiation, had the drug discontinued, and improved following drug discontinuation…”
There might be a ‘small’ group!
The choice of words is very appropriate, here:-
“…The colossal overuse of psychoactive drugs produces chronic patients, often based on problems that are inherently temporary….”
Someone Else,
I support the complete nonexistence of “Schizophrenia” as a disease or a condition. But I do support the idea that a person might need help in dealing with trauma.
I don’t support the long term invalide idea of even non drug support.
I attend Peer groups in London in the UK and I’ve seen people completely falling apart get back on their feet again, consistently, with a little bit of genuine help.
The Peer movement wants people well, and doesn’t get paid or have anything to benefit from keeping people sick.
“..Dr. Fromm-Reichmann was a psychoanalyst famed for her compassion and her skill in reaching even the most seemingly intractable cases of “schizophrenia” with intensive psychotherapy — and without neurotoxic drugs..”
I was eventually diagnosed as such a dreadful “schizophrenic”.
To overcome my “Schizophrenia” I had to do two things.
1. Come off my Neuroleptics very S L O W L Y.
2. Come to terms with the HIGH ANXIETY of my Neuroleptic Withdrawal, which I achieved through recognising its Dynamic.
Less than 3 years later I decided to re immigrate back to the England so I went to visit a local priest to ask him for a character reference. Which he provided:-
But, in his 1986 Character Reference Letter the local priest seems to suggest that I had been very well – over the period of time my Consultant Psychiatrist considered me to be a hopeless “Schizophrenic”.
Surely Medical Opinion Cannot Overide Facts:-
If a person remains sick while cooperating with treatment, and makes complete recovery as a result of stopping treatment, then the treatment is the problem.
I think Dr Shipmans argument was that the people that died in his care, had died of there own accord. But he didn’t getaway with it.
“….They did not understand it at the time, but discovered along the way, what the receptor saturation curve means, namely…..”
What worked for me in the 1990s was meditation. It wasn’t very expensive maybe £20.00 and taught by the Western Buddhist Fellowship (in Central London).
I’d been on antidepressants, which I believe were prescribed, to cover for my suicidal reactions to Strong Psychiatric Drugs.
I had come off maintenance doses of psychiatric drugs suitable for schizophrenia, and I was certainly miserable but I wouldn’t equate this to genuine clinical depression.
I am aware that meditation might not work for everyone – but it certainly did work consistently for me.
(I now have 30 years plus independence of the MH Services).
I scanned through the Article and I still believe its “Deadly Medicines and Organized Crime”, but I might be prejudiced (I was disabled for several years by Psychiatric Drugs + I was nearly killed several times by Psychiatric Drugs + I made full Recovery, with the help of psychology, as a result of carefully stopping Psychiatric Drugs).
You should put your articles into a book, Lawrence.
It’d be a bestseller if it didn’t get banned.
I think you’re being discrete:-
“…Aggressive diagnosing/medicating may partly explain why healthcare costs are much higher, yet lifespans are falling here…”
I’m sure there’s a bit more mileage in the series!
Alex
You are a brilliant writer.
..because their brains have been damaged.
Note, that the “antipsychotic” drugs cause the classic symptoms of “schizophrenia”.
…The Tribal lifestyle has been mooted as a solution for LONLINESS ….
There’s either a pill now available for LONLINESS or there will be soon.
Brilliant Dr Lawrence,
The worst member of the AA is probably better at helping someone with a “Drink Problem”, than the best Qualified Doctor or Psychologist.
“….C. People used to go to AA meetings or substance abuse counselors in order to kick an alcohol/drug habit, which was considered a non-physical problem. But then it was declared to be a literal physical (brain) disease and thus also became a doctor’s realm — addiction medicine. These doctors lure and steal clients by offering addictive medicine to addicts!..”
(The organised rehab centres are extremely expensive but subsidised by the taxpayer (in the UK), and once an alcoholic recovers and stays off the booze for a period of time, the counsellor approaches them with a suggestion of attempted social drinking. Acoholism is a relapsing disorder so the client is encouraged to relapse).
I like the way you include everyone in the madness description. It’s the truth!
In my opinion the Psychiatric approach is a form of “Schizophrenia”.
Rachel777,
Taking an SSRI is not too serious, but if a person reacts they can be labelled Bipolar, and then they are in TROUBLE.
This is an undertood phenomenon, and it is equivalent to poisoning the water supply.
Why are Psychiatrists allowed to do this?
Madmom,
As far as I was concerned the main thing was not to get caught in the clutches of the system again. So once i got off the worst of the drugs, I took it easy. But once I got off the worst of the drugs I met the requirement for being well i.e. I could apply myself.
Even so the reactive anxiety was absolutely horrendous. (‘CBT’ can work for this).
There is no compulsory treatment in Ireland as far as I know, once a person is out of hospital – and this makes for more reliable standards.
Will,
I firmly believe Psychiatric Drugs cause “Schizophrenia and Bipolar” as we know them today.
I also believe that I can substantiate this from my own experience and from my own medical records (and I intend doing so).
I was talking to a doctor friend of mine over Christmas about the use of psychiatric drugs and he predicted in years to come that, “these days” would be viewed as the dark times in “Mental Health” when doctors didn’t know what they were doing.
He related to me that cancer recovery has become commonplace now, not because of better drugs, but because doctors have become so expert at using them.
In “Mental Health” there’s a lot “medical experts” can learn from the “non co operative patients” that make Full Longterm Recovery as a result of rejecting Professional Advice.
There’s a capacity for psychotherapy to attempt to abuse as much as psychiatry.
I believe psychotherapists need to split in terms of those that support psychotherepeutic recovery for people diagnosed “Schizophrenic” and “Bipolar” – and those who can’t handle this.
It took me 6 years to go from an ‘antipsychotic’ ‘maintenance dose’ to a ‘totally non thereuptic’ dose (…and eventually this became nothing).
But even then I would n’t have been successful if I hadn’t made the ‘realisation’ – that I had to detach from my ‘head’ completely when I was in ‘Catastrophy’ – and when I was able to do this – my Intuition took over and guided me.
And Matt Stevensons (death), not too long after exposing and campaigning under his own identity.
Psychiatrists Are Saying Trump might be Dangerous…
…includes a C.P.N. nurse who actually called at my house in Ireland in the 1980s when I refused to take my monthly depot injection. When I explained the problems I was having with Akathisia to him, he was at the time sympathetic – but he did NOT record my problems on the records.
The above study does refer to extrapyrammidal movement problems BUT does NOT refer to Akathisia Induced Suicide – which is something the Authors were Aware of.
The Psychologist at the same Psychiatric Unit as I attended, promised me in the 1980s that ALL the “patients” attending could make complete recovery without medication and through psychology.
There’s a Licence To Kill on “Schizophrenics” so it’s not good to be one of them.
(And the country I come from biggest Export is Pharmaceuticals).
Hi Bob,
“…That people diagnosed with schizophrenia needed to be on these drugs, and that to speak about research that questioned that belief, which I had done, was to expose people to harm…”
“…In 2016 he published an editorial arguing that disease classifications should drop the concept of “schizophrenia”, as it is an unhelpful description of symptoms.[8]..”
I’d completely drop the term “schizophrenia” and not replace it with anything else – and concentrate on helping a person with (any) “problems” the person might have.
I’d see an approach like this eradicating “Schizophrenia” – but would this be whats wanted???
How can people like Charles Nemeroff get away with their “behaviour” (in Mental Health). If this was to happen in any other area surely they’d be prosecuted.
The “Mental Health” corruption has got to go higher than doctors and drug companies!
As someone that’s consumed strong Psychiatric Drugs over a period of time (and recovered as a result of discontinuation), I’d say that that the overall mental and physical damage done by the drugs is worse than the “conditions” the drugs are supposed to treat.
“….He also began to investigate iatrogenic harms of antidepressants—the notion that the drugs used to treat the condition are, instead, making it more chronic and resistant to future treatment. He began asking questions: Why did those who continued to take the drug long-term have more risk of relapse than those who decided to stop taking the drug? Why did those who tried more drugs have higher risk of relapse?..”
Slaying the Dragon,
There are literally millions of stories like this in progress right now!
Thank you very much for writing this Bob. It is realistic.
In the developed World “Schizophrenia” is clearly caused by Psychiatric Drugs.
“…..The long and the short of it is that I no longer see myself as “mentally ill.” I also no longer need to jump out of my skin from chronic discomfort, regret for my past and fear for my future. What I think I’m up against is the human condition. The stress response is part of that. Like all things human, the stress response is mixed. In the right circumstances, it is a life-saving, life-enriching gift. In the wrong ones, it is a curse that can make my life a living hell….”
“….In 2019, Peterson entered a rehabilitation facility after experiencing symptoms of physical withdrawal when he stopped taking clonazepam, an anti-anxiety drug. He had begun taking the drug upon his doctors recommendation following his wife’s cancer diagnosis.[144][14….”
“….Jim van Os, a professor of psychiatry at Maastricht University, is part of a growing number of professionals around the world calling for the end to the concept of schizophrenia….”
The difference between me and a “long term disabled schizophrenic” is that I was able to come off strong Psychiatric Drugs in 1984 through psychological means – even though I initially nearly died several times in the process.
(And a historical doctor was prepared to ackowledge drugs ‘causing problems’).
The “untreated” “schizophrenics” might get into trouble for stealing a loaf of bread, or a pint of milk but are not generally speaking, even as dangerous as the average person.
Even “schizophrenics” that “act out” on medications (akathisia) usually do so by going into a corner and quietly suiciding.
Unfortunately there are lots and lots of completely normal Americans, now living in worse than 3rd World conditions of destitution (much the same as the destitute “schizophrenics”).
International Jails are generally full of people that have behaved violently under the influence of Alcohol not under the influence of “Schizophrenia” (and President Trump *”has a genetic connection” with alcoholism).
The Republic of Ireland has an Epidemic problem with familial Homicide and Suicide committed by normal people (taking antidepressants) – NOT “Schizophrenics”.
*I don’t believe in the principle of alcoholic genetic liability – its a Psychiatric Principle.
Thanks Sarah, You’re always brilliant. I’ll have to analyse this article for nuggests of wisdom!
Somatic Psychotherapist Peter Levine demonstrates PTSD Recovery
Dear Sam,
What other medical speciality would employ people that are trained to operate at the standard of Psychiatry. I think for the most part they’d be unemployable!
“…..No doubt for daring to expose this, I will be subject to the usual barrage of secret complaints by anonymous authors, which will be investigated in camera by an unnamed committee considering evidence I am not allowed to see, who will reach a decision that favours the status quo, and for which there will be no effective appeal. Because that’s how psychiatrists operate…”
Don’t worry Dr Niall you’re already in “negative popularity territory”.
“…..TMZ broke the story, Britney spent 30 days at an L.A. mental health facility after she began rapidly going downhill … she stopped taking the drugs that kept her stable after they stopped working and doctors still have been unable to find the right combination….”
Dear Dr Niall,
I like your straight talking style.
“….The one thing they will never do is have a fair, open, transparent and, above all, honest debate about the realities of being mentally disturbed in Australia…” It sounds like “they” are the ones that are disturbed!
“…..a person with that kind of wealth would be attracting a lot of people toward them, many of whom may not have their best interests in mind.” It’s hard to imagine the same paternalism applied to a male rock star….”
2 things that should be obvious to ‘Professionals’ working in ‘Mental Health’:-
Psychiatric Drugs cause ‘Longterm Mental Illness’.
Psychiatric Drugs cause Suicide.
Is there some type of drive on to sabotage society and disable people? It looks to me like there could be!
Sylvain,
This is exactly it, getting people on to drugs. To say Ketamine can genuinely help anyone is bollocks.
It’s like saying Tranquillisers (Neuroleptics) work – they don’t.
In the UK a 2nd generation Caribeann Man is 10 times more likely to be diagnosed “schizophrenic” than an indigenous UK man, but is not many times more likely to completely recover. Its the Psychiatric treatments that cause the “long term conditions”.
I have a friend that’s in Alcoholics Anonymous and he says that if a person stops drinking and life stays okay then that’s good. But if a person stops drinking and they find other problems begin to cause trouble then this is something the AA could help them with.
“…that theirs is the only conceivable approach to mental disorder and that all criticism is malicious…”
The 47 year old veteran (you mentioned) might be better off attending a 12 step group mixing with people who understood exactly where he was coming from.
“….When psychiatrists are so insecure that they need to assail the UN HRC, we know there is something seriously wrong.9..” Psychiatrists are doctors that are not employable doing anything other than what they do (prescribing “medications”) – I think this is what’s wrong.
[In the long run, as far as I can see, psychiatric treatments make people more, not less distressed].
TERRIBLE ANXIETY
Q. Do Psychiatric Drugs cause Anxiety?
A. In my experience they can cause Terrible Anxiety.
Q. Is it possible to overcome this Anxiety?
A. Yes it definitely is.
Q. How?
A. In lots and lots of Normal Ways (and by carefully coming off the medication).
Hospitalization (or Crisis) can be caused by trying to come off “medication” too quickly.
It took 6 years for me to taper from 25mg of Modecate Depot injection (maintenance dose) per month; to 25 mg per day of Thioradazine (tablet form) which is be about 8% of a (300mg Thioradazine per day) Maintenance Dose.
I was okay with the 6 year time frame, as my disability came to an end, when I stopped taking the Depot Injection.
Nice to see you on Mad In America again, Dr Peter. You’re an honest and courageous doctor.
Some “doctors” would promote “anything”!
He’s unemployable!
ANXIETY
I don’t know how children deal with their anxiety, but I know how I deal with my own – I detach if I’m able and if I’m not able, I think in circles. If I’m able to detach, my intuition eventually takes over, and I know what to do.
Someone told me that intuition is not a 6th sense, it’s the 1st sense that a baby has.
It might be very difficult though for a person to overcome anxiety if they re in an impossible situation – which I’m glad to say, I’m not.
Frank,
I think I can prove what you’re saying is true.
How about the disease of “Non Existent Severe Mental Illness”.
It’s nice to read your “Mad in Norway” introduction communicated in excellent English; I’m a survivor through experience myself. Good Luck and please keep in touch. I’m sure we can benefit from the contact.
I don’t think Norway is a full member of the EEC, but I think it is closely connected.
SCHIZOPHRENIA $$$
What does “has a Diagnosis of Schizophrenia” (in isolation) mean?
“….Approximately three-fourths of people with schizophrenia have ongoing disability with relapses[35] and 16.7 million people globally are deemed to have moderate or severe disability from the condition.[169] Some people do recover completely and others function well in society….”
“…Schizophrenia is a severe long-term mental health condition…”
“…Doctors often describe schizophrenia as a type of psychosis. This means the person may not always be able to distinguish their own thoughts and ideas from reality…”
“….Symptoms of schizophrenia include: hallucinations – hearing or seeing things that do not exist outside of the minddelusions – unusual beliefs not based on reality muddled thoughts based on hallucinations or delusions losing interest in everyday activitiesnot caring about your personal hygiene wanting to avoid people, including friends…”
“…Schizophrenia does not cause someone to be violent and people with schizophrenia do not have a split personality….”
Representation of Schizophrenia in Isolation is something Professionals in the UK do again and again. There’s Good Money in it.£££
I think Public Medical Systems can shop around for suitable care not available nationally, within the EEC,
I know Ireland uses UK Health facilities.
The thing about Hurdalsjøen is that it practically offers a “cure”.
If you look at the people who recover (from “Schizophrenia; Depression; Anxiety; BiPolar”) a lot of them recover from the Dr Wayne Dyer (Deepak Chopra, Eckhart Tolle) type of approach.
(Not to distract) The Mental Health System reminds me of the Industrial Farming System:- Its very cruel, it’s ‘invisable’, and every bit of value belonging to the ‘animal’ is exploited.
[I was in a Famous NHS London Eye Hospital a few years ago after being sent there by my Optician to double check me for Glaucoma risk.
I was examined by a youngish doctor, and I mentioned to them that I had historically consumed psychotropics and that they had affected my eyes. The doctor told me that this was not the case, even though Patient Information Leaflets to most Psychotropic drugs warn of Eye Damage.
The doctor kept what I had expressed regarding my own experience off my records, and entered into my notes a Severe Mental Illness Diagnosis].
Thanks for this Article. The corruption can’t be exposed enough!
Philip,
Dr Huda has nowhere else to go!
In my twenties when I was coming off medication I ended up in hospital several times until I was able to finally reduce right down. And then I made full recovery and return to normal life – as the medications had been disabling me.
I had complained about the “medication disability” but my Consultant Psychiatrist had kept this off my Records – even though he himself had stated “my disability” to be my Problem.
For me Recovery depended on my Ability to deal with my Rebound High Anxiety.
“Mooji” wasnt around at this time but I found Psychologist “Dr Wayne Dwyer” very insightful.
Eckharte Tolle ‘Power of Now’ also has good solutions which he says can be benefited from ‘organically’.
(The psychiatric treatments break the mind and a person needs the right kind of help to recover).
Dear Dr Joanna,
This is an interesting point if it is approached scientifically, especially with the beneficial research work you do. I apologise for any cynicism.
Otherwise, I think “Relapse” might depend on how the doctor might choose to describe the situation (even with standards in place).
For example “Paranoia” could be described as Anxiety. Or “Psychosis” could be described as Hysteria.
Severe Mental Illness categorization is supposed to refer to a person who is more disabled – than blind or in a wheelchair. So it’s difficult to say exactly what a Non Relapsing Severely Mentally Ill Person would be.
I believe activist Will Hall recounted once in an article that he was incarcerated as acutely mentally Ill In a mental hospital until his insurance money ran out – and then discharged as well.
I can prove I recovered as a result of stopping my depot injection medication in 1984.
“….And you say, ‘What happened to all of those beds? What happened to all of that work? And where are those people?’ And in many cases, those people are living on the streets.”…”
“..What happened to all of that work? ..” sounds a bit like locking people up in institutions could provide a living for other people!
And, a person doesn’t have to be “mentally ill” to be “homeless”.
Good Article,
“…Researcher Peter Kinderman remarked that mental illness diagnoses “frequently and uncritically reported as ‘real illnesses’ are in fact made on the basis of internally inconsistent, confused and contradictory patterns of largely arbitrary criteria.”..”
The only requirement for membership to Alcoholics Anonymous is a desire to stop drinking!
Thank you Michael,
Reading your article I was impressed by how absolutely terrible it must have been for you as a young person, all those years ago.
And then you overcame “Schizophrenia” got back to college, got a BA and then an MA, became a Psychologist, and provided services to others, that weren’t available, for you yourself.
Your story is really amazing.
Do you remember the film “The Promise” with James Garner and James Woods? It could have been a bad dream!
The extension of “schizophrenia” is amazing and frightening.
I looked up the Pamphlet and I thought the descriptions were fairly honest.
Someone Else: This one is Quite Scary
“Schizophrenia: Early Warning Signs”
https://youtu.be/9JH7G1aekxc
https://www.thejournal.ie/scientology-anti-psychotic-drugs-cchr-4959491-Jan2020/
“….THE HSE AND clinical psychiatrists have strongly criticised pamphlets being delivered across Dublin regarding antipsychotic medicines.
Leaflets warning people about the dangers of taking prescription antipsychotic medication were sent to residents in south Dublin by a group linked to the Church of Scientology in recent weeks.
The pamphlets are titled “Antipsychotics: The facts about the effects”, and are part of what is described as a psychotropic drug series published by the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR)….”
“…..The information contained within this leaflet is misleading, inaccurate and shows no evidence of any understanding of the complex biological, psychological and social contributors to mental illness. The HSE advises that if this leaflet causes concern to any person who is being treated with antipsychotic medication, that they contact their GP or a member of the mental health team that is looking after them. …”
In honesty would Tich Nhat Hanh pass the test, or Eckhart Tolle, or any of the other heavy weights? Would Elanour Longden?
“…The applicants are then rated on the eight qualities that make up FIS: verbal fluency, hope & positive expectation, persuasiveness, emotional expression, warmth & understanding, empathy, alliance capacity, and alliance rupture repair. Only about 10% of peer counselor applicants pass the assessment….”
Joanna
I eventually managed to come off my ‘long acting neuroleptic injection’ many, many years ago through a very careful drug taper, and psychological means – similar to below:-
https://youtu.be/3I5L2otW4r8
I’ve remained well since, so there is no such thing as “Schizophrenia”.
KateL,
Please hang in there.
Dear Robert
On the Subject of The Unanswered Question:
Maybe the psychiatric experts were so used to interpreting or misinterpreting symptoms of normal behaviour or so called mental illness at their own convenience – that they had lost the ability to tell the difference (I’m serious).
It’s not only in Psychiatry:
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/01/health-care-is-an-8000-tax-on-every-american-family/
“….Despite paying $8,000 more a year than anyone else, American families do not have better health outcomes, the economists argue. Life expectancy in the United States is lower than in Europe…”
Professors Angus Deaton and Anne Case.
Most people don’t have “mental illness” to begin with
– they either have “substance problems” or “psychological problems” (hallucinations and delusions included).
The only Factual Recovery from “Schizophrenia” on record, comes from people that reject Psychiatic drugs in favour of a Non Psychiatric approach (often of the ‘Spiritual’ Variety).
It is a Holocaust.
Most of the ‘schizophrenics’ I knew (years ago) in Ireland had very little wrong with them, as far as most people would be able to see, other than the doctors diagnosis.
Their problem was that when they tried to stop taking the ‘drugs’ they got into trouble. But there was no acknowledgement of ‘drug withdrawal syndrome’, so when they developed problems they were seen to be relapsing.
Most of these people are now dead – well before their time.
….this man has good solutions.
https://youtu.be/3I5L2otW4r8
He describes the Dynamic of Anxiety (and what to do about it) brilliantly. Having said this his “Recovery” happened in a different country.
Thanks Sarah,
This series is very worthwhile.
Life has always been stressful, but I think it’s become a lot more stressful now for the average person and the average (in the process of being deskilled) middle class person – because all the money is going in one direction – and this is being supported worldwide.
There are lots and lots of clever ways to undermine the population majority of unimportant people; and it’s still easy enough to get a very badly paid job.
I’ll have to study all your episodes first, to see if you can suggest any solutions.
A friend of mine is in a self supporting peer group. And the subject of “medication” is a very sensitive point within this group.
My friend said that it was very important NOT to advise anyone on this subject, BUT that a person could always relate their own experience of what worked for them (and what didn’t) in their own Recovery.
Exposure To Strong Psychiatric Drugs Causes “Severe Mental Illness”
A Black Man in England is 10 times more likely to be diagnosed with “Schizophrenia” than a White Man. But Complete Recovery Rates from “Schizophrenia” for Black Men are Not proportionally higher.
I believe this is because Exposure to Neuroleptic Drugs (aka ‘anti psychotics’) causes Long term Mental Illness, regardless of whether a person is, ‘Well’ or ‘Unwell’ to begin with.
Yes!
AKATHISIA
In Psychiatry what causes suicide causes homicide, and psychiatric drugs cause suicide.
The increase in consumption of Psychiatric Drugs in Ireland has created an Epidemic of Homicides and Familicides committed by Normal People taking “medications” for “modern living” related Anxiety.
Whenever I listen to Eckhart Tolle Iearn some, because of his ability to explain and motivate.
https://youtu.be/t-pZ6FuEQqw
The Peers have the success, that the most qualified Psychiatrists don’t. So I think if a person wants a solution they might go to the peers.
Also, even the most qualified Psychiatrists often make people worse.
Dr Peter,
EVIDENCE BASED MEDICINE AND THE EXPULSION…
“….Torrey wrote to call attention to Gøtzsche’s association with an organization called the Hearing Voices Network, which, Torrey claims, “promotes the belief that … auditory hallucinations are merely on end of a normal behavior spectrum.” …”
On this subject (alone) Torrey tends to disagree with you – yet there is ample evidence that you are factually right.
Are you going to present the Evidence…?
.
They’re taking the piss!
In the first three to six months the person is totally unused to drugs and more than likely without information – and the staff are trained to keep quiet. So its a lottery!
Schizophrenia.com
Preventing Suicide in people with Schizophrenia
http://schizophrenia.com/suicide.html
“…Males with schizophrenia attempt suicide at a much higher rate than females; approximately 60% of them will make at least one attempt.
Particular times that people with schizophrenia tend to be suicidal include
1) Periods when they are very psychotic and out of touch with reality,
2) Periods when they are very depressed,
3) In the first 6 to 9 months after they have started first taking medications, when they are thinking more clearly and learn that the they have schizophrenia (and all the negative aspects that this connotates)….”
IN MY CASE AND I THINK IN MOST CASES:- NEUROLEPTIC INDUCED AKATHISIA IS CAUSING THE SUICIDE ATTEMPTS…
Since Akathisia can also cause uncontrollable Violence I would say on balance, Society would be safer without Neuroleptic Medication.
“…From paracetamol (known as acetaminophen in the US) to antihistamines, statins, asthma medications and antidepressants, ..” AND NEUROLEPTICS.
NEUROLEPTICS
They are profoundly disabling, and if a person can come off them successfully, then they can regain their ability to perform.
Mood, Personality, and Behavior Changes During Treatment with Statins: A Case Series
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5005588/
“…“Probable” causality was limited to those who experienced occurrence following drug initiation, had the drug discontinued, and improved following drug discontinuation…”
That’s what happened to me with Neuroleptics!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson
“…In 2019, Peterson entered a rehabilitation facility after experiencing symptoms of physical withdrawal when he stopped taking clonazepam, an anti-anxiety drug. He had begun taking the drug upon his doctor’s recommendation following his wife’s cancer diagnosis.[143][…”
.
Mood, Personality, and Behavior Changes During Treatment with Statins: A Case Series
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5005588/
“…“Probable” causality was limited to those who experienced occurrence following drug initiation, had the drug discontinued, and improved following drug discontinuation…”
There might be a ‘small’ group!
The choice of words is very appropriate, here:-
“…The colossal overuse of psychoactive drugs produces chronic patients, often based on problems that are inherently temporary….”
Someone Else,
I support the complete nonexistence of “Schizophrenia” as a disease or a condition. But I do support the idea that a person might need help in dealing with trauma.
I don’t support the long term invalide idea of even non drug support.
I attend Peer groups in London in the UK and I’ve seen people completely falling apart get back on their feet again, consistently, with a little bit of genuine help.
The Peer movement wants people well, and doesn’t get paid or have anything to benefit from keeping people sick.
“..Dr. Fromm-Reichmann was a psychoanalyst famed for her compassion and her skill in reaching even the most seemingly intractable cases of “schizophrenia” with intensive psychotherapy — and without neurotoxic drugs..”
I was eventually diagnosed as such a dreadful “schizophrenic”.
To overcome my “Schizophrenia” I had to do two things.
1. Come off my Neuroleptics very S L O W L Y.
2. Come to terms with the HIGH ANXIETY of my Neuroleptic Withdrawal, which I achieved through recognising its Dynamic.
Less than 3 years later I decided to re immigrate back to the England so I went to visit a local priest to ask him for a character reference. Which he provided:-
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PW-wn9GOkiyWAbdzgXuC8cDS-7UPEj0-/view?usp=drivesdk
But, in his 1986 Character Reference Letter the local priest seems to suggest that I had been very well – over the period of time my Consultant Psychiatrist considered me to be a hopeless “Schizophrenic”.
Surely Medical Opinion Cannot Overide Facts:-
If a person remains sick while cooperating with treatment, and makes complete recovery as a result of stopping treatment, then the treatment is the problem.
I think Dr Shipmans argument was that the people that died in his care, had died of there own accord. But he didn’t getaway with it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman
I wonder if Dr Shipman was badly treated?
Dr Peter
If Sandra got better as a result of carefully stopping medical treatment, then scientifically – the medical treatment had been the problem, NOT her.
The link above represents the challenges of an Irish Travelling Group in Modern Britain.
Thank You Dr Peter, for this inspirational offer,
This is what I wrote to my doctor:-
My Response to the GP Delisting Letter 2018
https://drive.google.com/file/d/114Qjp47-TmI0LJWlyKRmrC7R4QLtHITq/view?usp=drivesdk
After he wrote this to me:-
The GP Delisting Letter 2018
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VB1L7C7G87DNmS-uS3blngY3CMtOH5gl/view?usp=drivesdk
“….They did not understand it at the time, but discovered along the way, what the receptor saturation curve means, namely…..”
What worked for me in the 1990s was meditation. It wasn’t very expensive maybe £20.00 and taught by the Western Buddhist Fellowship (in Central London).
I’d been on antidepressants, which I believe were prescribed, to cover for my suicidal reactions to Strong Psychiatric Drugs.
I had come off maintenance doses of psychiatric drugs suitable for schizophrenia, and I was certainly miserable but I wouldn’t equate this to genuine clinical depression.
I am aware that meditation might not work for everyone – but it certainly did work consistently for me.
(I now have 30 years plus independence of the MH Services).
I scanned through the Article and I still believe its “Deadly Medicines and Organized Crime”, but I might be prejudiced (I was disabled for several years by Psychiatric Drugs + I was nearly killed several times by Psychiatric Drugs + I made full Recovery, with the help of psychology, as a result of carefully stopping Psychiatric Drugs).
You should put your articles into a book, Lawrence.
It’d be a bestseller if it didn’t get banned.
I think you’re being discrete:-
“…Aggressive diagnosing/medicating may partly explain why healthcare costs are much higher, yet lifespans are falling here…”
I’m sure there’s a bit more mileage in the series!
Alex
You are a brilliant writer.
..because their brains have been damaged.
Note, that the “antipsychotic” drugs cause the classic symptoms of “schizophrenia”.
…The Tribal lifestyle has been mooted as a solution for LONLINESS ….
https://youtu.be/jDgZuMCTmoA
…but that’s not easy either.
Do you remember all those articles we were seeing about LONLINESS all the time; and still are around from time to time.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/26/pill-for-loneliness-psychology-science-medicine
There’s either a pill now available for LONLINESS or there will be soon.
Brilliant Dr Lawrence,
The worst member of the AA is probably better at helping someone with a “Drink Problem”, than the best Qualified Doctor or Psychologist.
“….C. People used to go to AA meetings or substance abuse counselors in order to kick an alcohol/drug habit, which was considered a non-physical problem. But then it was declared to be a literal physical (brain) disease and thus also became a doctor’s realm — addiction medicine. These doctors lure and steal clients by offering addictive medicine to addicts!..”
(The organised rehab centres are extremely expensive but subsidised by the taxpayer (in the UK), and once an alcoholic recovers and stays off the booze for a period of time, the counsellor approaches them with a suggestion of attempted social drinking. Acoholism is a relapsing disorder so the client is encouraged to relapse).
I like the way you include everyone in the madness description. It’s the truth!
In my opinion the Psychiatric approach is a form of “Schizophrenia”.
Rachel777,
Taking an SSRI is not too serious, but if a person reacts they can be labelled Bipolar, and then they are in TROUBLE.
This is an undertood phenomenon, and it is equivalent to poisoning the water supply.
Why are Psychiatrists allowed to do this?
Madmom,
As far as I was concerned the main thing was not to get caught in the clutches of the system again. So once i got off the worst of the drugs, I took it easy. But once I got off the worst of the drugs I met the requirement for being well i.e. I could apply myself.
Even so the reactive anxiety was absolutely horrendous. (‘CBT’ can work for this).
There is no compulsory treatment in Ireland as far as I know, once a person is out of hospital – and this makes for more reliable standards.
Will,
I firmly believe Psychiatric Drugs cause “Schizophrenia and Bipolar” as we know them today.
I also believe that I can substantiate this from my own experience and from my own medical records (and I intend doing so).
I was talking to a doctor friend of mine over Christmas about the use of psychiatric drugs and he predicted in years to come that, “these days” would be viewed as the dark times in “Mental Health” when doctors didn’t know what they were doing.
He related to me that cancer recovery has become commonplace now, not because of better drugs, but because doctors have become so expert at using them.
In “Mental Health” there’s a lot “medical experts” can learn from the “non co operative patients” that make Full Longterm Recovery as a result of rejecting Professional Advice.
There’s a capacity for psychotherapy to attempt to abuse as much as psychiatry.
I believe psychotherapists need to split in terms of those that support psychotherepeutic recovery for people diagnosed “Schizophrenic” and “Bipolar” – and those who can’t handle this.
It took me 6 years to go from an ‘antipsychotic’ ‘maintenance dose’ to a ‘totally non thereuptic’ dose (…and eventually this became nothing).
But even then I would n’t have been successful if I hadn’t made the ‘realisation’ – that I had to detach from my ‘head’ completely when I was in ‘Catastrophy’ – and when I was able to do this – my Intuition took over and guided me.
And Matt Stevensons (death), not too long after exposing and campaigning under his own identity.
Psychiatrists Are Saying Trump might be Dangerous…
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/psychiatrists-submit-warning-trumps-mental-health-deteriorating-2019-12
..but the Psychiatrists reasoning might be Dangerously Faulty.
(His make up was well known when people voted for him, and doesn’t seem to have changed much..)
This particular research study team….
DEPOT ANTIPSYCHOTIC REVISITED
https://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/ps.49.10.1361-b
…includes a C.P.N. nurse who actually called at my house in Ireland in the 1980s when I refused to take my monthly depot injection. When I explained the problems I was having with Akathisia to him, he was at the time sympathetic – but he did NOT record my problems on the records.
The above study does refer to extrapyrammidal movement problems BUT does NOT refer to Akathisia Induced Suicide – which is something the Authors were Aware of.
The Psychologist at the same Psychiatric Unit as I attended, promised me in the 1980s that ALL the “patients” attending could make complete recovery without medication and through psychology.
There’s a Licence To Kill on “Schizophrenics” so it’s not good to be one of them.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/114Qjp47-TmI0LJWlyKRmrC7R4QLtHITq/view?usp=drivesdk
(And the country I come from biggest Export is Pharmaceuticals).
Hi Bob,
“…That people diagnosed with schizophrenia needed to be on these drugs, and that to speak about research that questioned that belief, which I had done, was to expose people to harm…”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_van_Os
“…In 2016 he published an editorial arguing that disease classifications should drop the concept of “schizophrenia”, as it is an unhelpful description of symptoms.[8]..”
I’d completely drop the term “schizophrenia” and not replace it with anything else – and concentrate on helping a person with (any) “problems” the person might have.
I’d see an approach like this eradicating “Schizophrenia” – but would this be whats wanted???
How can people like Charles Nemeroff get away with their “behaviour” (in Mental Health). If this was to happen in any other area surely they’d be prosecuted.
The “Mental Health” corruption has got to go higher than doctors and drug companies!
As someone that’s consumed strong Psychiatric Drugs over a period of time (and recovered as a result of discontinuation), I’d say that that the overall mental and physical damage done by the drugs is worse than the “conditions” the drugs are supposed to treat.
“….He also began to investigate iatrogenic harms of antidepressants—the notion that the drugs used to treat the condition are, instead, making it more chronic and resistant to future treatment. He began asking questions: Why did those who continued to take the drug long-term have more risk of relapse than those who decided to stop taking the drug? Why did those who tried more drugs have higher risk of relapse?..”
Slaying the Dragon,
There are literally millions of stories like this in progress right now!
Thank you very much for writing this Bob. It is realistic.
In the developed World “Schizophrenia” is clearly caused by Psychiatric Drugs.
“…..The long and the short of it is that I no longer see myself as “mentally ill.” I also no longer need to jump out of my skin from chronic discomfort, regret for my past and fear for my future. What I think I’m up against is the human condition. The stress response is part of that. Like all things human, the stress response is mixed. In the right circumstances, it is a life-saving, life-enriching gift. In the wrong ones, it is a curse that can make my life a living hell….”
I’m looking forward to the next instalments!
Psychologist Dr Jordan Peterson
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson
“….In 2019, Peterson entered a rehabilitation facility after experiencing symptoms of physical withdrawal when he stopped taking clonazepam, an anti-anxiety drug. He had begun taking the drug upon his doctors recommendation following his wife’s cancer diagnosis.[144][14….”
“….Jim van Os, a professor of psychiatry at Maastricht University, is part of a growing number of professionals around the world calling for the end to the concept of schizophrenia….”
The difference between me and a “long term disabled schizophrenic” is that I was able to come off strong Psychiatric Drugs in 1984 through psychological means – even though I initially nearly died several times in the process.
(And a historical doctor was prepared to ackowledge drugs ‘causing problems’).
The “untreated” “schizophrenics” might get into trouble for stealing a loaf of bread, or a pint of milk but are not generally speaking, even as dangerous as the average person.
Even “schizophrenics” that “act out” on medications (akathisia) usually do so by going into a corner and quietly suiciding.
Unfortunately there are lots and lots of completely normal Americans, now living in worse than 3rd World conditions of destitution (much the same as the destitute “schizophrenics”).
International Jails are generally full of people that have behaved violently under the influence of Alcohol not under the influence of “Schizophrenia” (and President Trump *”has a genetic connection” with alcoholism).
The Republic of Ireland has an Epidemic problem with familial Homicide and Suicide committed by normal people (taking antidepressants) – NOT “Schizophrenics”.
*I don’t believe in the principle of alcoholic genetic liability – its a Psychiatric Principle.
Thanks Sarah, You’re always brilliant. I’ll have to analyse this article for nuggests of wisdom!
Somatic Psychotherapist Peter Levine demonstrates PTSD Recovery
https://youtu.be/Oz8tnuXbNAY
Dear Sam,
What other medical speciality would employ people that are trained to operate at the standard of Psychiatry. I think for the most part they’d be unemployable!
“…..No doubt for daring to expose this, I will be subject to the usual barrage of secret complaints by anonymous authors, which will be investigated in camera by an unnamed committee considering evidence I am not allowed to see, who will reach a decision that favours the status quo, and for which there will be no effective appeal. Because that’s how psychiatrists operate…”
Don’t worry Dr Niall you’re already in “negative popularity territory”.
“…..TMZ broke the story, Britney spent 30 days at an L.A. mental health facility after she began rapidly going downhill … she stopped taking the drugs that kept her stable after they stopped working and doctors still have been unable to find the right combination….”
Dear Dr Niall,
I like your straight talking style.
“….The one thing they will never do is have a fair, open, transparent and, above all, honest debate about the realities of being mentally disturbed in Australia…” It sounds like “they” are the ones that are disturbed!
“…..a person with that kind of wealth would be attracting a lot of people toward them, many of whom may not have their best interests in mind.” It’s hard to imagine the same paternalism applied to a male rock star….”
Below rock star Bob Geldof describes Despair – in non medical terms …
https://youtu.be/5wHk35Ix9Z8
2 things that should be obvious to ‘Professionals’ working in ‘Mental Health’:-
Psychiatric Drugs cause ‘Longterm Mental Illness’.
Psychiatric Drugs cause Suicide.
Is there some type of drive on to sabotage society and disable people? It looks to me like there could be!
Sylvain,
This is exactly it, getting people on to drugs. To say Ketamine can genuinely help anyone is bollocks.
It’s like saying Tranquillisers (Neuroleptics) work – they don’t.
In the UK a 2nd generation Caribeann Man is 10 times more likely to be diagnosed “schizophrenic” than an indigenous UK man, but is not many times more likely to completely recover. Its the Psychiatric treatments that cause the “long term conditions”.
I have a friend that’s in Alcoholics Anonymous and he says that if a person stops drinking and life stays okay then that’s good. But if a person stops drinking and they find other problems begin to cause trouble then this is something the AA could help them with.
“…that theirs is the only conceivable approach to mental disorder and that all criticism is malicious…”
The 47 year old veteran (you mentioned) might be better off attending a 12 step group mixing with people who understood exactly where he was coming from.
“….When psychiatrists are so insecure that they need to assail the UN HRC, we know there is something seriously wrong.9..” Psychiatrists are doctors that are not employable doing anything other than what they do (prescribing “medications”) – I think this is what’s wrong.
[In the long run, as far as I can see, psychiatric treatments make people more, not less distressed].
TERRIBLE ANXIETY
Q. Do Psychiatric Drugs cause Anxiety?
A. In my experience they can cause Terrible Anxiety.
Q. Is it possible to overcome this Anxiety?
A. Yes it definitely is.
Q. How?
A. In lots and lots of Normal Ways (and by carefully coming off the medication).
Hospitalization (or Crisis) can be caused by trying to come off “medication” too quickly.
It took 6 years for me to taper from 25mg of Modecate Depot injection (maintenance dose) per month; to 25 mg per day of Thioradazine (tablet form) which is be about 8% of a (300mg Thioradazine per day) Maintenance Dose.
I was okay with the 6 year time frame, as my disability came to an end, when I stopped taking the Depot Injection.
Nice to see you on Mad In America again, Dr Peter. You’re an honest and courageous doctor.
Some “doctors” would promote “anything”!
He’s unemployable!
ANXIETY
I don’t know how children deal with their anxiety, but I know how I deal with my own – I detach if I’m able and if I’m not able, I think in circles. If I’m able to detach, my intuition eventually takes over, and I know what to do.
Someone told me that intuition is not a 6th sense, it’s the 1st sense that a baby has.
It might be very difficult though for a person to overcome anxiety if they re in an impossible situation – which I’m glad to say, I’m not.
Frank,
I think I can prove what you’re saying is true.
How about the disease of “Non Existent Severe Mental Illness”.
It’s nice to read your “Mad in Norway” introduction communicated in excellent English; I’m a survivor through experience myself. Good Luck and please keep in touch. I’m sure we can benefit from the contact.
I don’t think Norway is a full member of the EEC, but I think it is closely connected.
SCHIZOPHRENIA $$$
What does “has a Diagnosis of Schizophrenia” (in isolation) mean?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s-mEHH5pLC5EzWpxjnOLKcylQOTJ-Kvw/view?usp=drivesdk
Does it mean a person that can do nothing for themselves?
Or
Does it mean a person that is completely okay?
WIKIPEDIA
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
“….Approximately three-fourths of people with schizophrenia have ongoing disability with relapses[35] and 16.7 million people globally are deemed to have moderate or severe disability from the condition.[169] Some people do recover completely and others function well in society….”
UK NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/schizophrenia/
“…Schizophrenia is a severe long-term mental health condition…”
“…Doctors often describe schizophrenia as a type of psychosis. This means the person may not always be able to distinguish their own thoughts and ideas from reality…”
“….Symptoms of schizophrenia include: hallucinations – hearing or seeing things that do not exist outside of the minddelusions – unusual beliefs not based on reality muddled thoughts based on hallucinations or delusions losing interest in everyday activitiesnot caring about your personal hygiene wanting to avoid people, including friends…”
“…Schizophrenia does not cause someone to be violent and people with schizophrenia do not have a split personality….”
Representation of Schizophrenia in Isolation is something Professionals in the UK do again and again. There’s Good Money in it.£££
I think Public Medical Systems can shop around for suitable care not available nationally, within the EEC,
I know Ireland uses UK Health facilities.
The thing about Hurdalsjøen is that it practically offers a “cure”.
If you look at the people who recover (from “Schizophrenia; Depression; Anxiety; BiPolar”) a lot of them recover from the Dr Wayne Dyer (Deepak Chopra, Eckhart Tolle) type of approach.
(Not to distract) The Mental Health System reminds me of the Industrial Farming System:- Its very cruel, it’s ‘invisable’, and every bit of value belonging to the ‘animal’ is exploited.
[I was in a Famous NHS London Eye Hospital a few years ago after being sent there by my Optician to double check me for Glaucoma risk.
I was examined by a youngish doctor, and I mentioned to them that I had historically consumed psychotropics and that they had affected my eyes. The doctor told me that this was not the case, even though Patient Information Leaflets to most Psychotropic drugs warn of Eye Damage.
The doctor kept what I had expressed regarding my own experience off my records, and entered into my notes a Severe Mental Illness Diagnosis].
Thanks for this Article. The corruption can’t be exposed enough!
Philip,
Dr Huda has nowhere else to go!
In my twenties when I was coming off medication I ended up in hospital several times until I was able to finally reduce right down. And then I made full recovery and return to normal life – as the medications had been disabling me.
I had complained about the “medication disability” but my Consultant Psychiatrist had kept this off my Records – even though he himself had stated “my disability” to be my Problem.
For me Recovery depended on my Ability to deal with my Rebound High Anxiety.
https://youtu.be/vdKs13kf13A
“Mooji” wasnt around at this time but I found Psychologist “Dr Wayne Dwyer” very insightful.
Eckharte Tolle ‘Power of Now’ also has good solutions which he says can be benefited from ‘organically’.
(The psychiatric treatments break the mind and a person needs the right kind of help to recover).
Dear Dr Joanna,
This is an interesting point if it is approached scientifically, especially with the beneficial research work you do. I apologise for any cynicism.
Otherwise, I think “Relapse” might depend on how the doctor might choose to describe the situation (even with standards in place).
For example “Paranoia” could be described as Anxiety. Or “Psychosis” could be described as Hysteria.
Severe Mental Illness categorization is supposed to refer to a person who is more disabled – than blind or in a wheelchair. So it’s difficult to say exactly what a Non Relapsing Severely Mentally Ill Person would be.
I believe activist Will Hall recounted once in an article that he was incarcerated as acutely mentally Ill In a mental hospital until his insurance money ran out – and then discharged as well.
I can prove I recovered as a result of stopping my depot injection medication in 1984.
Reference 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PW-wn9GOkiyWAbdzgXuC8cDS-7UPEj0-/view?usp=drivesdk
(But the reference above suggests, I’ve always been okay).
The Drugs in my opinion, cause the illness and what I had to get was a ‘Power of the Now’ or “Mooji” perspective:
https://youtu.be/vdKs13kf13A
…and this worked.