I suffered from a type of anhedonia for years after I stopped heavy meds – but meditation changed all of that, and now I’m happy a lot of the time.
Might there be anything other than the “depression”, causing the “..dementia stroke and mortality in older Adults..”
“…As depression is linked to an increase in dementia, stroke, and mortality, a need for depression interventions among older adults is evident…”
Yes Alex.
Madness might be incapacity to function in a deceptive world.
I think for a person to be excluded the environment has got to be exclusive, (and then everyone might be looking over their shoulder).
They are poisoning people and getting away with it.
It looks like Lundbeck has the power to create reality.
Roberta,
You’re a good daughter, and your father is lucky (in a sense) that you are around.
After 4 years in the Psychiatric System I was written off as completely useless, and then I just about managed to stop the strong drugs – and completely recovered.
#MeAsWell
Dubai royal defends Mary Robinson visit over princess
Because it’s like the 2 million people in jail that earn money for the companies that run the jails. There’s an industry that lives off the back of the mentally ill.
James Woods and James Garner once stared in a film together (Promise) where James Woods was a “Schizophrenic” and James Garner was his carer.
But I’ve never in my life come across a “schizophrenic” like James Woods!
Devils Advocate:- If depressed people are likely to kill people, then what about the normal people who take “antidepressants” for one reason or another and also kill people?
When in history did depressed people begin killing people?
Shouldnt it be the SMI s that kill people not the normal people?
Thank you very much Des. It’s important to know what the controversy is about.
“..My formal instruction of resignation as a member of the Royal College of Psychiatrists Saturday November 28 2018..” – Dr Peter Gordon
Update, 8 December 2018:
“….Both the Vice President and President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists have expressed concerns about my mental health. Unknown to me, the Vice President contacted my employers….”
If you think about the amount of money and the public health systems and the political support – then you might think about what might happen to anyone getting in the way!
(I hope I don’t get killed for saying this).
I’ve experienced a little bit of this myself!
“….I can tell you that when chaos is created in a person’s brain with the “antipsychotics,” chaos comes out on the canvas…”
Thank You.
When I wake up in the morning at about 6.10 AM, the most logical idea I have in my head is that I’m “totally finished” – and my only method of survival is not to engage with my logic.
If anyone were caught at the right time (I’d imaginel) “dementia” could be stuck onto them!
Thanks,
This is very good! It makes sense.
Here in Mad in America we accuse “medication” of causing the Longterm Mental Illness. So What happened to all the people years ago that Recovered.
I was certainly compromised by “medications” but to come off them and survive I had to split with “Normal thinking”.
You are very right Dr Peter:
“…..can cause long-lasting brain impairment, which may explain why the use of these drugs makes it difficult for people to live a normal life….”
But I believe, with suitable (even short term) help most people can reclaim their lives.
As far as I know what works for “rational” anxiety (fear of losing job) also works for “irrational” anxiety (fear of being murdered).
And I think I can demonstrate this (scientifically).
“Medical” Convenience.
The most Renowned Eye Hospitals in the world are probably based in London and belong to the NHS; I have attended two of these hospitals with eyesight problems.
When in both of these hospitals I reported (my own personal experience) of historical psychotropic drug effects to my eyes, my ‘drug eye connection’ was omitted from my records, and Prejudicial Mental Health Entries were entered instead.
The Consultant Eye Specialist in the more exclusive Hospital was the worst offender for this type of behavior:- he recorded (alongside his eye diagnosis) that I ‘took Seroquel for my Psychiatric Problems’ (while at the same time omitting what I had told him about the historical psychotropic eyesight effects).
The prescription of Seroquel at 25 mg per night – due to its low dosage would not be prescriptive for any Psychiatric Problem whatsoever.
The miniscule dose was something I had already explained to the Specialist.
The Money Changers are in the Temple.
People recoil in horror at the Medical Killings of Jewish People, Gay People, ‘Others’ and ‘Schizophrenics’ in parts of Europe in the 1930s and 1940s.
But somewhere along the line it’s become acceptable for present day ‘Doctors’ to mutilate and kill ‘Schizophrenics’ in far greater numbers than in the 1930s and 1940s.
Todays medical treatments for the “so called mentally ill” can even cause extreme violence in the mentally well.
If there are other successful Full Recovery Options available for the “most serious mental illnesses” like “schizophrenia” – then no child should be put on strong psychiatric drugs.
Thanks Greg you describe things very well. It’s great to see the advances in the “voice hearing area”, this is what most ‘people’ are frightened of.
Thanks.
I would Drop the Diagnosis anyway, because its more a question of recovering from “Psychiatry” than of recovering from “Schizophrenia”.
For example a 2nd generation Caribbean man in the UK might be many times more likely to be Diagnosed with “Schizophrenia” than his White counterpart, and (many more times again) than a Caribbean man.
So the “Diagnosis” has got to be Wrong.
But once the person is in the System they become Incurable.
Thanks a lot kindredspirit.
He wrote me a letter saying that he was confident that I had never suffered from Schizophrenia.
Greg,
Would your techniques work with a previously traumatised person?
(I think they would)
I don’t know about symptom free:
If someone were to suggest the average “Severely Mentally Ill Person in the Community” was mentally ill to an African they’d start laughing.
Psychotherapy proved to be a lot more effective for Dr Eleanor Longdon (in crisis) and it saved the UK millions £££.
“…The use of low doses of quetiapine for insomnia, while common, is not recommended; there is little evidence of benefit and concerns regarding adverse effects…”
If this is the case then the “use of normal doses” should definitely not be recommended.
I was Diagnosed with Sch… in 1980 but I found inexpensive practical Psychotherapy worked better than ‘medication’.
I was on 25 mg per month of Fluphenazine Decoanate depot between 1980 and 1984. I came off this drug in 1984 because it was disabling me. I moved to oral ‘medication’ which I reduced gradually …and I was no longer disabled.
By 1990 I was taking 25mg of Mellaril per day (only suitable for very mild anxiety). This was changed to a prescription of 25mg of Seroquel per day in 2005.
A few years later I discovered that Seroquel at 25 mg per day had no ‘psychiatric’ effect or withdrawal effect – so I stopped taking it.
I went to see a Consultant Psychiatrist in 2018 (who knew me in the 1980s when he was training) and he removed the “Diagnosis”.
Steve,
Suffering can be part of life, and chemical relief can easily create anther problem.
If my African friends sometimes “mad” mother lived in England 100 + years ago she might be described as “Hysterical”.
Today in England she might be described as “Schizophrenic”, put on “Clozapine” ….and never return to Teaching.
This is why the “antipsychotic” Clozapine is so highly recommended
I would also like to thank Dr Moncrieff and Dr Steingard for their contribution.
Dr Rufus May and Author Will Hall (recovered “schizophrenics”) recommend similar straightforward Anxiety solutions for “schizophrenia” that actually work.
Recovery from Anxiety (/”schizophrenia”) is about practice not Neuro Science.
….And People don’t relapse with an effective psychotherapeutic solution.
I had an African friend who told me that his mother used to “go mad” from time to time, and recover again, and then go back to her job as teacher.
I think he also told me that in Africa “medication” was only used while people were in hospital (- and that this was why people were able recover).
…or the expectation that everyone is lonely (and unhappy), and if they aren’t they must have something wrong with them.
I support the motion that Depression as an illness, was more or less invented in the 1980s to support the sale of Prozac.
Addiction Related Suicide Prevention:- There’s only one effective approach to addiction that I know of, and that one is self supporting and freely available in the community.
…All the answers are in the 12 Step Fellowships, because these are the people with the proven success.
In the “rat park experiment” the rats addiction eased off with a sense of community and pleasant living conditions. But I’m not so sure about the necessary loneliness problem of human beings.
One in six of the Welsh on antidepressants OMG!
Hi James, this is fantastic. I think the reason the UK is moving forward on this, is because people are at last speaking out!
According to Eckhart Tolle (“The Power of Now”) it’s not what we “preoccupy” about that’s “wrong” – its that we “preoccupy”.
They weren’t “working” to begin with.
I’m very curious as to why “antidepressants” are being agressively pushed in the UK even though they are off patent.
The Buddhists are lovely people but they mightn’t stop people drinking alcoholicly.
The AA stops people drinking alcoholicly, and there are a few “nutters” in the AA groups, but so what.
Hi,
This is a very interesting article, and you’re a great writer.
I was happy to get to a non intrusive drug combination, but over the years this became – nothing.
In my recovery I found psychologist Dr Wayne W Dyers approach effective; and Eckhart Tolles philosophy is quite similar. Oprah Winfrey has regularly featured both of these Spiritual Guides on her show.
By coincidence, drugs that I have been exposed to (such as Haloperidol), have also been experimentally administered to MH professionals – with disastrous results.
Hello again Dragon, Its a dead end!
They can put as much money as they like in but they can only make matters worse (with the bio approach).
If I was in desperate circumstances I might need help – but I’m not. Otherwise I seem to be quite happy!
I think People “taking a medication” should be realistically informed of the risks.
When I attempted Suicide twice in the early 1980s while in a state of Acute Akathisia, I had no choice whatsoever.
I practically broke into the Psychiatric Unit at Galway, Southern Ireland in 1984 – because I was in danger of attempting to kill myself for a third time (in a state of acute akathisia).
When I tried to come of the drugs (that I had refused to begin with in 1980) I found I couldn’t, because my brain had been Broken through drug exposure.
But I successfully withdrew eventually through a careful drug taper and an “Epiphany” in 1984. And my Suicide Attempts, my Hospitalizations, and my Psychiatrc Disability ended.
My “Epiphany” involved recognising the dynamic of my Anxiety, and that I could do something about it.
In the “Power of the Now” Eckhart Tolle describes his own enlightenment (and freedom from anxiety and depression) in very simple and understandable terms.
This wisdom can be found inexpensively in many different spiritual pathways, in a wait and see manner.
Maybe Zen doesn’t work for everyone, but how many people do we read about on MIA that have recovered through this or similar methods.
I’m also very sorry for your loss, George. You write sympathetically and with tolerance about great tragedy. I think this article alone will save lives, and I hope to see you writing here again.
The taxpayer pays for the drugs and for the disability the drugs cause, while the drug company makes a profit.
It is a type of “slush fund” or “money transfer” system but a lot of politicians end up eventually as millionaires; and if they were to “buck the system” they might get nowhere.
No!
Cat,
Even though I came off psychiatric drugs very carefully I was still racked with Severe Anxiety. Learning how to deal with this, is why I never ended up back in the Psychiatric System.
The only solution I know that works for Severe Anxiety i.e. “Letting Go”, can be found in Buddhism the 12 Step and other non mainstream therapies.
WHO: I’ve known people from “3rd world countries” with family members that go mad, and they do Recover completely and get back to their Responsible lives again. But they often go mad again at a later date (and recover again).
A lot of the people in the West that do Recover seem to borrow the means of Recovery from Non Western parts of the Globe. So maybe the West should only try to Learn from the Non Western Parts of the Globe.
Life Expectancy among the Young and the Old in My own family.
My mother came from a family of six; three with children; and two without. Four of my mother’s nephews (on ‘antidepressants’ in the 1980s) killed themselves.
My mothers family on average lived to their mid eighties; with my mothers parents living (on average) to eighty.
There were no deaths in my father’s family among his nieces or nephews.
Some of my father’s family died young, some in middle age and some at beyond ninety. My father’s parents (on average) lived to their mid eighties.
UK MENTAL HEALTH FRAUD
In October of 2012 I discovered my name on a Severe Mental Illness Register at My GP Surgery at London W2.
I made an appointment with my GP, and discussed my 26 years of Wellness in the UK plus my Historical Irish MH Experience with my him. I showed him the 1986 Adverse Drug Reaction Warning Request Letter and Demonstrated to him, the complete Absence of any Adverse Drug Reaction Warning on the 1986 Irish Record Summary, the historical Malpractice from Ireland. By the end of the interview my GP s shirt was saturated and sticking to his body – he was terrified.
My GP then Guaranteed me the Removal of *Schizophrenia from my Records 3 times in writing, and the Removal of my name from the SMI Register:-
A month later by chance I discovered “Schizophrenia” still on the GP information system. So I complained to my GP about this. My GP in Response presented me with a signed letter on practice paper, completely contradicting his previous 3 written guarantees; and placing Full Confidence in my Historical Irish Psychiatrist (below).
THE GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL.
I then complained to the General Medical Council as I considered my GP s behaviour to be unacceptable. But in May of 2013 the GMC politely refused to proceed with my complaint. They stated that in their opinion that the doctors behaviour would not affect their ability to work safely.
INITIAL BATTERING NOV 1980.
The “medications” I was given Every Day for two months were: 100 mg Haloperidol per day; 1000 mg of Largactil per day; 50 mg of modecate per month; and ECT and Lithium towards the end of my stay:-
DISABLED + SUICIDAL 1981 – 1984
Between 1981 and 1984 I experienced 2 Suicide Attempts and a series of Suicidal Hospitalizations + Years of Extrapyramidal Disability.
CHRONIC SCHIZOPHRENIA
By 1983 I was Diagnosed as Chronically Schizophrenic.
DIAGNOSIS + PROGNOSIS APRIL 1984
By 1984 I was Diagnosed as *Schizoaffective and “Prognosed” as completely Hopeless.
RECOVERY + WELLNESS 1984 – 2018
I made Full Recovery in 1984 as a Result of carefully tapering from the Modecate Depot Injection with the help of Practical, Inexpensive Psychotherapy – and I handed back my Disability cheque (permanently).
I think the ‘mindfulness commodity’ approach might be about sabotaging a useful and genuine (drug and therapist independent) healing process.
I used Mindfulness and Meditation in my own recovery; my recovery was successful, but it took a long time.
Wynne,
You describe the ideal meditation approach very well.
I suffered from dreadful (non disabling) melancholy on withdrawal from Psychiatric Drugs, and Buddhist Breathing meditation cured it completely in the longterm. This was great, because it was something I could do for myself.
I would not support the motion that – “Childhood Trauma should be Treated as a Public Health Crises”, because in my opinion and experience ‘Public Mental Health Systems’ do more harm (disable/kill), than good (heal).
The_cat,
The Wealth is going in one direction, the middle class are being downsized to technicians, most jobs are heading towards automation – Not so Many people are needed.
“Eli Lilly” nobody bats an eyelid.
Someone else,
As usual very well expressed.
It’s Ridiculous, in my opinion.
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:
I had one suicidal hospitalization after another on Strong Psychiatric Drugs – the only reason I’m still alive is because I moved completely away from the Mental Health System.
When “schizophrenics” kill themselves it’s usually in the early years after diagnosis (- before they sort out the drugs causing the problems).
My suicide attempts were drug induced (AKATHISIA); and in the first few years (before I left psychiatry).
Thanks Will & George,
Its a story of good news. I’m going to listen to it again and again.
Will, a “Schizophrenic” “is” an “ongoing helpless” person. I think you’ve scientifically proven, through your own experience and recovery that “Schizophrenia” doesn’t exist.
I See Anxiety as Projection: with the feelings being real and the thinking being inspired by the feelings. If the feelings can be experienced and levelled off, then the thinking loses its maliciousness.
Thank you very much for writing this.
I think AKATHISIA is something Doctors + Medical Systems + the Pharmaceutical Industry are terrified of. Because in retrospect, a lot of patient fatalities, serious ‘acting out behaviour’, and longterm Neurological Disability can be traced to Drug Induced Akathisia.
My GP in Central London on October 12 2018 recorded on my records:- “..Has experienced akathisia with depot antipsychotics back in the early 1980s with extreme restlessness unpredictability , and ‘the most unpleasant feelings of his life’ Sensitivity FLUPHENAZINE DECANAOTE (all components considered allergens) – akathisia..”
… I had described Akathisia on a letter dated November 8 1986 to doctors in Ireland requesting ADR Warning be sent over to the UK (below):-
In Response a “Mental Health Summary” dated November 24 1986 was sent over, but WITHOUT Requested ADR Warning.
My GP had been very courteous to me at the time, but afterwards, sent a letter to me dated October 17 2018 stating that I was to be removed from his list.
(… my GP has been very courteous to me since).
I think the NHS rule is that acknowledgement of AKATHISIA is to be completely avoided.
I tried to open the LINK but..
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The_cat,
Most production is now moving towards potential automation so a lot of people are no longer needed…
Hi Noel,
Your Article is very interesting and requires lots of attention.
I meet my demons every morning when I wake up and providing I don’t get into a preoccupation with them, they don’t stay for too long.
I think my demons don’t really belong to me, they are more general demons that managed to find a way in.
I find it amazing that the “West” tried to export Mental Illness to Japan. As I believe all Mental Health solutions can be found in Buddhism.
Me too. Thank you very much Connor.
I understand what you’re saying Frank. I have come across dodgy people.
Concerned..,
The British Psychologists have successfully challenged the “SSRI Solution”. Plus they are challenging the monopoly on the “Severe Mental Illnesses”.
But I know what you mean by the situation you have described – its like everyone is a victim in the situation.
The NHS is a fantastic system, except for the chemical imbalance in the brain problem. But the good news is that British Psychologists are successfully challenging this outlook.
We know at Mad in America, that only people that reject chemical means, get completely better
ME TOO
The National Institute of Clinical Excellence NICE neither mentions AKATHISIA nor Suicidal Reaction in connection to this drug…
My experience is that this drug causes suicide and disability, and that the longterm withdrawal syndrome from this drug “is worse” than “schizophrenia”.
I Think The HPV Vaccine is too Large and International to be Questioned.
Dear Dr Peter,
I follow your articles with relish.
Somebody has to say something because “medicine” is genuinely falling apart.
I can’t help feeling though, that you’re in a better place on the outside than on the inside.
Dear Eric,
I can identify with you.
In my experience “medication” is more dangerous than “alcohol”.
…like in Medieval times.
Hi Greg,
I agree with cat that you explain things very well. You’re writing is very informative. I hope to read more.
I have never experienced hallucinations. But after coming off “medication” I did suffer from more serious problems than I had had before. But it was possible to do something about this.
Yes, but it’s okay to Kill in Mental Health, isn’t it?
“….despite him and his parents repeatedly telling medics he should not be given it because he had reacted badly to the drug …”
Some people might say NO – but I would say YES.
Hi Ekatrina,
Nice to see you again.
Is this not the way the Dalai Lama was chosen – on the basis of (suspected) reincarnation?
I’m glad to see that the spotlight has been held on the “antidepressant” fiasco.
There’s quite a few people going through very unpleasant longterm “antidepressant” withdrawal syndrome that don’t even know they have it.
But what about Neuroleptic Drug Withdrawal Syndrome (and Neuroleptic drug Withdrawal Rebound Syndrome)?
The British Association of Psychologists have stated, that according to their information, that they can successfully help people that Psychiatrists prescribe Neuroleptics to (- which I firmly believe that they can).
Okay
Rachel,
I was referring to Psychiatry and drug companies as two different entities.
I suffered (Historically) from Akathisia which made me Unpredictable and was the Worst Experience of my Life, and my GP at London W2 has (very recently) entered this onto my records.
I also presented an information document on Akathisia to him, which he avoided to the extent that he was capable.
Most GP s in the UK prescribing SSRI s are very ignorant of the potential effects of these drugs but when they eventually find out they will need “help” themselves.
Dear Philip, its nice to see you again.
The drug companies sell drugs just like the junk food companies sell junk food; of course it’s Psychiatrys responsibility not to poison “patients”.
Dr Allen Frances (et al) identified Fluphenazine Decanoate depot injection as a “killer drug” in 1983, something I am grateful for. He has spoken out against premature intervention of young people on the grounds that most of these young people will never need this. He has stated decent housing to be the one of the most important things a person needs to remain sane. I support all of these points.
But I don’t support “Psychiatric Diagnoses” or “Chemical Solutions” – because I got better as a result of not taking my “medication” with the help of “Psychology”.
I suffered from a type of anhedonia for years after I stopped heavy meds – but meditation changed all of that, and now I’m happy a lot of the time.
Might there be anything other than the “depression”, causing the “..dementia stroke and mortality in older Adults..”
“…As depression is linked to an increase in dementia, stroke, and mortality, a need for depression interventions among older adults is evident…”
Yes Alex.
Madness might be incapacity to function in a deceptive world.
I think for a person to be excluded the environment has got to be exclusive, (and then everyone might be looking over their shoulder).
They are poisoning people and getting away with it.
It looks like Lundbeck has the power to create reality.
Roberta,
You’re a good daughter, and your father is lucky (in a sense) that you are around.
After 4 years in the Psychiatric System I was written off as completely useless, and then I just about managed to stop the strong drugs – and completely recovered.
#MeAsWell
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Because it’s like the 2 million people in jail that earn money for the companies that run the jails. There’s an industry that lives off the back of the mentally ill.
James Woods and James Garner once stared in a film together (Promise) where James Woods was a “Schizophrenic” and James Garner was his carer.
But I’ve never in my life come across a “schizophrenic” like James Woods!
Devils Advocate:- If depressed people are likely to kill people, then what about the normal people who take “antidepressants” for one reason or another and also kill people?
When in history did depressed people begin killing people?
Shouldnt it be the SMI s that kill people not the normal people?
Thank you very much Des. It’s important to know what the controversy is about.
“..My formal instruction of resignation as a member of the Royal College of Psychiatrists Saturday November 28 2018..” – Dr Peter Gordon
https://holeousia.com/2018/11/25/my-formal-instruction-of-resignation-as-a-member-of-the-royal-college-of-psychiatrists/
Update, 8 December 2018:
“….Both the Vice President and President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists have expressed concerns about my mental health. Unknown to me, the Vice President contacted my employers….”
If you think about the amount of money and the public health systems and the political support – then you might think about what might happen to anyone getting in the way!
(I hope I don’t get killed for saying this).
I’ve experienced a little bit of this myself!
“….I can tell you that when chaos is created in a person’s brain with the “antipsychotics,” chaos comes out on the canvas…”
Thank You.
When I wake up in the morning at about 6.10 AM, the most logical idea I have in my head is that I’m “totally finished” – and my only method of survival is not to engage with my logic.
If anyone were caught at the right time (I’d imaginel) “dementia” could be stuck onto them!
Thanks,
This is very good! It makes sense.
Here in Mad in America we accuse “medication” of causing the Longterm Mental Illness. So What happened to all the people years ago that Recovered.
I was certainly compromised by “medications” but to come off them and survive I had to split with “Normal thinking”.
You are very right Dr Peter:
“…..can cause long-lasting brain impairment, which may explain why the use of these drugs makes it difficult for people to live a normal life….”
But I believe, with suitable (even short term) help most people can reclaim their lives.
As far as I know what works for “rational” anxiety (fear of losing job) also works for “irrational” anxiety (fear of being murdered).
And I think I can demonstrate this (scientifically).
“Medical” Convenience.
The most Renowned Eye Hospitals in the world are probably based in London and belong to the NHS; I have attended two of these hospitals with eyesight problems.
When in both of these hospitals I reported (my own personal experience) of historical psychotropic drug effects to my eyes, my ‘drug eye connection’ was omitted from my records, and Prejudicial Mental Health Entries were entered instead.
The Consultant Eye Specialist in the more exclusive Hospital was the worst offender for this type of behavior:- he recorded (alongside his eye diagnosis) that I ‘took Seroquel for my Psychiatric Problems’ (while at the same time omitting what I had told him about the historical psychotropic eyesight effects).
The prescription of Seroquel at 25 mg per night – due to its low dosage would not be prescriptive for any Psychiatric Problem whatsoever.
The miniscule dose was something I had already explained to the Specialist.
The Money Changers are in the Temple.
People recoil in horror at the Medical Killings of Jewish People, Gay People, ‘Others’ and ‘Schizophrenics’ in parts of Europe in the 1930s and 1940s.
But somewhere along the line it’s become acceptable for present day ‘Doctors’ to mutilate and kill ‘Schizophrenics’ in far greater numbers than in the 1930s and 1940s.
Todays medical treatments for the “so called mentally ill” can even cause extreme violence in the mentally well.
If there are other successful Full Recovery Options available for the “most serious mental illnesses” like “schizophrenia” – then no child should be put on strong psychiatric drugs.
Thanks Greg you describe things very well. It’s great to see the advances in the “voice hearing area”, this is what most ‘people’ are frightened of.
Thanks.
I would Drop the Diagnosis anyway, because its more a question of recovering from “Psychiatry” than of recovering from “Schizophrenia”.
For example a 2nd generation Caribbean man in the UK might be many times more likely to be Diagnosed with “Schizophrenia” than his White counterpart, and (many more times again) than a Caribbean man.
So the “Diagnosis” has got to be Wrong.
But once the person is in the System they become Incurable.
Thanks a lot kindredspirit.
He wrote me a letter saying that he was confident that I had never suffered from Schizophrenia.
Greg,
Would your techniques work with a previously traumatised person?
(I think they would)
I don’t know about symptom free:
If someone were to suggest the average “Severely Mentally Ill Person in the Community” was mentally ill to an African they’d start laughing.
Psychotherapy proved to be a lot more effective for Dr Eleanor Longdon (in crisis) and it saved the UK millions £££.
https://www.ted.com/talks/eleanor_longden_the_voices_in_my_head/up-next
The reason some of these drugs are banned in the American Military is because fit young men (taking them) at low doses were dying in their sleep.
“Antipsychotics” are deadly above and beyond metabolic syndrome, bad diet, lack of exercise, and being middle aged.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetiapine
“…The use of low doses of quetiapine for insomnia, while common, is not recommended; there is little evidence of benefit and concerns regarding adverse effects…”
If this is the case then the “use of normal doses” should definitely not be recommended.
I was Diagnosed with Sch… in 1980 but I found inexpensive practical Psychotherapy worked better than ‘medication’.
I was on 25 mg per month of Fluphenazine Decoanate depot between 1980 and 1984. I came off this drug in 1984 because it was disabling me. I moved to oral ‘medication’ which I reduced gradually …and I was no longer disabled.
By 1990 I was taking 25mg of Mellaril per day (only suitable for very mild anxiety). This was changed to a prescription of 25mg of Seroquel per day in 2005.
A few years later I discovered that Seroquel at 25 mg per day had no ‘psychiatric’ effect or withdrawal effect – so I stopped taking it.
I went to see a Consultant Psychiatrist in 2018 (who knew me in the 1980s when he was training) and he removed the “Diagnosis”.
Steve,
Suffering can be part of life, and chemical relief can easily create anther problem.
If my African friends sometimes “mad” mother lived in England 100 + years ago she might be described as “Hysterical”.
Today in England she might be described as “Schizophrenic”, put on “Clozapine” ….and never return to Teaching.
This is why the “antipsychotic” Clozapine is so highly recommended
https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/22/clozapine-antipsychotic-implicated-in-two-deaths?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true
I would also like to thank Dr Moncrieff and Dr Steingard for their contribution.
Dr Rufus May and Author Will Hall (recovered “schizophrenics”) recommend similar straightforward Anxiety solutions for “schizophrenia” that actually work.
Recovery from Anxiety (/”schizophrenia”) is about practice not Neuro Science.
….And People don’t relapse with an effective psychotherapeutic solution.
I had an African friend who told me that his mother used to “go mad” from time to time, and recover again, and then go back to her job as teacher.
I think he also told me that in Africa “medication” was only used while people were in hospital (- and that this was why people were able recover).
(…I haven’t made this up, to score a point)
…this man thought everyone should hug
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7891842/ted-baker-value-plummets-ray-kelvin-forced-hugging/
..but people objected.
…or the expectation that everyone is lonely (and unhappy), and if they aren’t they must have something wrong with them.
I support the motion that Depression as an illness, was more or less invented in the 1980s to support the sale of Prozac.
Addiction Related Suicide Prevention:- There’s only one effective approach to addiction that I know of, and that one is self supporting and freely available in the community.
…All the answers are in the 12 Step Fellowships, because these are the people with the proven success.
In the “rat park experiment” the rats addiction eased off with a sense of community and pleasant living conditions. But I’m not so sure about the necessary loneliness problem of human beings.
One in six of the Welsh on antidepressants OMG!
Hi James, this is fantastic. I think the reason the UK is moving forward on this, is because people are at last speaking out!
According to Eckhart Tolle (“The Power of Now”) it’s not what we “preoccupy” about that’s “wrong” – its that we “preoccupy”.
They weren’t “working” to begin with.
I’m very curious as to why “antidepressants” are being agressively pushed in the UK even though they are off patent.
Would these two people pass the test for ADHD
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ma
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O%27Leary_(businessman)
The Buddhists are lovely people but they mightn’t stop people drinking alcoholicly.
The AA stops people drinking alcoholicly, and there are a few “nutters” in the AA groups, but so what.
Hi,
This is a very interesting article, and you’re a great writer.
I was happy to get to a non intrusive drug combination, but over the years this became – nothing.
In my recovery I found psychologist Dr Wayne W Dyers approach effective; and Eckhart Tolles philosophy is quite similar. Oprah Winfrey has regularly featured both of these Spiritual Guides on her show.
By coincidence, drugs that I have been exposed to (such as Haloperidol), have also been experimentally administered to MH professionals – with disastrous results.
Hello again Dragon, Its a dead end!
They can put as much money as they like in but they can only make matters worse (with the bio approach).
If I was in desperate circumstances I might need help – but I’m not. Otherwise I seem to be quite happy!
I think People “taking a medication” should be realistically informed of the risks.
When I attempted Suicide twice in the early 1980s while in a state of Acute Akathisia, I had no choice whatsoever.
I practically broke into the Psychiatric Unit at Galway, Southern Ireland in 1984 – because I was in danger of attempting to kill myself for a third time (in a state of acute akathisia).
When I tried to come of the drugs (that I had refused to begin with in 1980) I found I couldn’t, because my brain had been Broken through drug exposure.
But I successfully withdrew eventually through a careful drug taper and an “Epiphany” in 1984. And my Suicide Attempts, my Hospitalizations, and my Psychiatrc Disability ended.
My “Epiphany” involved recognising the dynamic of my Anxiety, and that I could do something about it.
In the “Power of the Now” Eckhart Tolle describes his own enlightenment (and freedom from anxiety and depression) in very simple and understandable terms.
This wisdom can be found inexpensively in many different spiritual pathways, in a wait and see manner.
Did you say Haldol.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10565099
Maybe Zen doesn’t work for everyone, but how many people do we read about on MIA that have recovered through this or similar methods.
I’m also very sorry for your loss, George. You write sympathetically and with tolerance about great tragedy. I think this article alone will save lives, and I hope to see you writing here again.
The taxpayer pays for the drugs and for the disability the drugs cause, while the drug company makes a profit.
It is a type of “slush fund” or “money transfer” system but a lot of politicians end up eventually as millionaires; and if they were to “buck the system” they might get nowhere.
No!
Cat,
Even though I came off psychiatric drugs very carefully I was still racked with Severe Anxiety. Learning how to deal with this, is why I never ended up back in the Psychiatric System.
The only solution I know that works for Severe Anxiety i.e. “Letting Go”, can be found in Buddhism the 12 Step and other non mainstream therapies.
WHO: I’ve known people from “3rd world countries” with family members that go mad, and they do Recover completely and get back to their Responsible lives again. But they often go mad again at a later date (and recover again).
A lot of the people in the West that do Recover seem to borrow the means of Recovery from Non Western parts of the Globe. So maybe the West should only try to Learn from the Non Western Parts of the Globe.
Life Expectancy among the Young and the Old in My own family.
My mother came from a family of six; three with children; and two without. Four of my mother’s nephews (on ‘antidepressants’ in the 1980s) killed themselves.
My mothers family on average lived to their mid eighties; with my mothers parents living (on average) to eighty.
There were no deaths in my father’s family among his nieces or nephews.
Some of my father’s family died young, some in middle age and some at beyond ninety. My father’s parents (on average) lived to their mid eighties.
UK MENTAL HEALTH FRAUD
In October of 2012 I discovered my name on a Severe Mental Illness Register at My GP Surgery at London W2.
I made an appointment with my GP, and discussed my 26 years of Wellness in the UK plus my Historical Irish MH Experience with my him. I showed him the 1986 Adverse Drug Reaction Warning Request Letter and Demonstrated to him, the complete Absence of any Adverse Drug Reaction Warning on the 1986 Irish Record Summary, the historical Malpractice from Ireland. By the end of the interview my GP s shirt was saturated and sticking to his body – he was terrified.
My GP then Guaranteed me the Removal of *Schizophrenia from my Records 3 times in writing, and the Removal of my name from the SMI Register:-
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cP_smYn2khLimaiWaJdPO_vGcY-j9_Bl/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F6ArumseTVc3djX09hJf1kc0AJfRvg06/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u2u-VbCCg5BeDJk7H2xGoKqKgZM8qf-H/view?usp=drivesdk
A month later by chance I discovered “Schizophrenia” still on the GP information system. So I complained to my GP about this. My GP in Response presented me with a signed letter on practice paper, completely contradicting his previous 3 written guarantees; and placing Full Confidence in my Historical Irish Psychiatrist (below).
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HPB_xRRJ1cdG0AmkyAXvwrphYYpEwNEe/view?usp=drivesdk
THE GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL.
I then complained to the General Medical Council as I considered my GP s behaviour to be unacceptable. But in May of 2013 the GMC politely refused to proceed with my complaint. They stated that in their opinion that the doctors behaviour would not affect their ability to work safely.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pAQ-35raoR6-QfwKddQ4kgWU5FUbbkJY/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UtVo6amME3bRF4WZJqyis4zfHI-79fQO/view?usp=drivesdk
My GP was involved in a Patient Homicide in July 2013:-
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sailor-died-from-internal-bleeding-after-ae-sent-him-to-minor-care-unit-10288447.html?amp
I believe my GP was at this time suffering from Traumatic Stress Disorder, and that this should have been obvious to the General Medical Council.
MY BACKGROUND
Near Fatal Modecate Experience Pg 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EY4XDLt04KgmCjg_5wXU-kbVezo_DxL4/view?usp=drivesdk
Near Fatal Modecate Experience Pg 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YTWxPJTtNeTDM9eewkHoSUJr0WpBpu4b/view?usp=drivesd
SUICIDAL AKATHISIA RESEARCH PAPER 1983. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/16313058_Suicide_Associated_with_Akathisia_and_Depot_Fluphenazine_Treatment
WELLNESS PRESENTATION ON ADMISSION AT GALWAY IN NOV 1980 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBANjBTZEtkbjBhMkU/view?usp=drivesdk
INITIAL BATTERING NOV 1980.
The “medications” I was given Every Day for two months were: 100 mg Haloperidol per day; 1000 mg of Largactil per day; 50 mg of modecate per month; and ECT and Lithium towards the end of my stay:-
Daily Drugs Chart example 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R20LgbJwIDqd0VTp755vTBjeEI5hZDaD/view?usp=drivesdk
Daily Drugs Chart example 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sJT81-n1RsZ_bJ4g-dA8P20_wHBEkPKd/view?usp=drivesd
MAD
Dr of Psychology goes MAD on a lot less. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IlzqwNraKOFLxIU7TjC2tCMTh1fB6tu4/view?usp=drivesdk
PROGNOSIS AT JAN 1981
Prognosis was Guarded.
DISABLED + SUICIDAL 1981 – 1984
Between 1981 and 1984 I experienced 2 Suicide Attempts and a series of Suicidal Hospitalizations + Years of Extrapyramidal Disability.
CHRONIC SCHIZOPHRENIA
By 1983 I was Diagnosed as Chronically Schizophrenic.
DIAGNOSIS + PROGNOSIS APRIL 1984
By 1984 I was Diagnosed as *Schizoaffective and “Prognosed” as completely Hopeless.
RECOVERY + WELLNESS 1984 – 2018
I made Full Recovery in 1984 as a Result of carefully tapering from the Modecate Depot Injection with the help of Practical, Inexpensive Psychotherapy – and I handed back my Disability cheque (permanently).
Recovered 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PW-wn9GOkiyWAbdzgXuC8cDS-7UPEj0-/view?usp=drivesdk
Recovered 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19xYpA4O4h9h45b_H2PtSBTNFx3ErE-MK/view?usp=drivesdk
1985/86 Irish Psychiatrist Registers as a Non Specialist Doctor in Ontario
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rca_pEdngRg8EfBgShSfyMnLyU3Zjz6O/view?usp=drivesdk
Adverse Drug Reaction Warning Request Letter sent to Galway Nov. 8 1986
ADR Warning Request ltr Pg 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAZlVTbHdBRDFFSHc/view?usp=drivesdk
ADR Warning Request ltr Pg 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAZ0otNjFyN0NJajA/view?usp=drivesdk
ADR Warning Request Ltr Pg 3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAcExwMzhEMVRzdm8/view?usp=drivesdk
MALPRACTICE.
Irish Record Summary Sent To UK In Response:- but WITHOUT Requested ADR WARNING
1986 Irish Record Summary Pg 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBATlNoNTlpYy11X28/view?usp=drivesdk
1986 Irish Record Summary Pg 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAMmlqS18xQVZlcms/view?usp=drivesdk
Doctors False Reasurrance Letter Nov 1986
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAeUFLam5rYmtXd3c/view?usp=drivesdk
“Depot Antipsychotic Revisited Research Paper 1998” From Galway Psychiatrist
https://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/ps.49.10.1361-b.
4 out of 10 of the people on these drugs attempt Suicide.
€ 9.6 million from Bristol Myers Squibb http://www.nuigalway.ie/our-research/partners/
Monica, I support nearly all of your article.
I think the ‘mindfulness commodity’ approach might be about sabotaging a useful and genuine (drug and therapist independent) healing process.
I used Mindfulness and Meditation in my own recovery; my recovery was successful, but it took a long time.
Wynne,
You describe the ideal meditation approach very well.
I suffered from dreadful (non disabling) melancholy on withdrawal from Psychiatric Drugs, and Buddhist Breathing meditation cured it completely in the longterm. This was great, because it was something I could do for myself.
I would not support the motion that – “Childhood Trauma should be Treated as a Public Health Crises”, because in my opinion and experience ‘Public Mental Health Systems’ do more harm (disable/kill), than good (heal).
The_cat,
The Wealth is going in one direction, the middle class are being downsized to technicians, most jobs are heading towards automation – Not so Many people are needed.
“Eli Lilly” nobody bats an eyelid.
Someone else,
As usual very well expressed.
It’s Ridiculous, in my opinion.
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:
‘Compulsory’ mental health education call to tackle suicide in Wales – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46277389
I had one suicidal hospitalization after another on Strong Psychiatric Drugs – the only reason I’m still alive is because I moved completely away from the Mental Health System.
When “schizophrenics” kill themselves it’s usually in the early years after diagnosis (- before they sort out the drugs causing the problems).
My suicide attempts were drug induced (AKATHISIA); and in the first few years (before I left psychiatry).
Thanks Will & George,
Its a story of good news. I’m going to listen to it again and again.
Will, a “Schizophrenic” “is” an “ongoing helpless” person. I think you’ve scientifically proven, through your own experience and recovery that “Schizophrenia” doesn’t exist.
I See Anxiety as Projection: with the feelings being real and the thinking being inspired by the feelings. If the feelings can be experienced and levelled off, then the thinking loses its maliciousness.
Thank you very much for writing this.
I think AKATHISIA is something Doctors + Medical Systems + the Pharmaceutical Industry are terrified of. Because in retrospect, a lot of patient fatalities, serious ‘acting out behaviour’, and longterm Neurological Disability can be traced to Drug Induced Akathisia.
My GP in Central London on October 12 2018 recorded on my records:- “..Has experienced akathisia with depot antipsychotics back in the early 1980s with extreme restlessness unpredictability , and ‘the most unpleasant feelings of his life’ Sensitivity FLUPHENAZINE DECANAOTE (all components considered allergens) – akathisia..”
… I had described Akathisia on a letter dated November 8 1986 to doctors in Ireland requesting ADR Warning be sent over to the UK (below):-
ADR Warning Request ltr Pg 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAZlVTbHdBRDFFSHc/view?usp=drivesdk
ADR Warning Request ltr Pg 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAZ0otNjFyN0NJajA/view?usp=drivesdk
ADR Warning Request Ltr Pg 3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBAcExwMzhEMVRzdm8/view?usp=drivesdk
In Response a “Mental Health Summary” dated November 24 1986 was sent over, but WITHOUT Requested ADR Warning.
My GP had been very courteous to me at the time, but afterwards, sent a letter to me dated October 17 2018 stating that I was to be removed from his list.
(… my GP has been very courteous to me since).
I think the NHS rule is that acknowledgement of AKATHISIA is to be completely avoided.
I tried to open the LINK but..
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The_cat,
Most production is now moving towards potential automation so a lot of people are no longer needed…
Hi Noel,
Your Article is very interesting and requires lots of attention.
I meet my demons every morning when I wake up and providing I don’t get into a preoccupation with them, they don’t stay for too long.
I think my demons don’t really belong to me, they are more general demons that managed to find a way in.
I find it amazing that the “West” tried to export Mental Illness to Japan. As I believe all Mental Health solutions can be found in Buddhism.
Me too. Thank you very much Connor.
I understand what you’re saying Frank. I have come across dodgy people.
Concerned..,
The British Psychologists have successfully challenged the “SSRI Solution”. Plus they are challenging the monopoly on the “Severe Mental Illnesses”.
But I know what you mean by the situation you have described – its like everyone is a victim in the situation.
The NHS is a fantastic system, except for the chemical imbalance in the brain problem. But the good news is that British Psychologists are successfully challenging this outlook.
We know at Mad in America, that only people that reject chemical means, get completely better
ME TOO
The National Institute of Clinical Excellence NICE neither mentions AKATHISIA nor Suicidal Reaction in connection to this drug…
https://bnf.nice.org.uk/drug/fluphenazine-decanoate.html
….as Dr Allen Frances (et al) identify (below)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6886035/
My experience is that this drug causes suicide and disability, and that the longterm withdrawal syndrome from this drug “is worse” than “schizophrenia”.
I Think The HPV Vaccine is too Large and International to be Questioned.
Dear Dr Peter,
I follow your articles with relish.
Somebody has to say something because “medicine” is genuinely falling apart.
I can’t help feeling though, that you’re in a better place on the outside than on the inside.
Dear Eric,
I can identify with you.
In my experience “medication” is more dangerous than “alcohol”.
…like in Medieval times.
Hi Greg,
I agree with cat that you explain things very well. You’re writing is very informative. I hope to read more.
I have never experienced hallucinations. But after coming off “medication” I did suffer from more serious problems than I had had before. But it was possible to do something about this.
Yes, but it’s okay to Kill in Mental Health, isn’t it?
“….despite him and his parents repeatedly telling medics he should not be given it because he had reacted badly to the drug …”
Some people might say NO – but I would say YES.
Hi Ekatrina,
Nice to see you again.
Is this not the way the Dalai Lama was chosen – on the basis of (suspected) reincarnation?
I’m glad to see that the spotlight has been held on the “antidepressant” fiasco.
There’s quite a few people going through very unpleasant longterm “antidepressant” withdrawal syndrome that don’t even know they have it.
But what about Neuroleptic Drug Withdrawal Syndrome (and Neuroleptic drug Withdrawal Rebound Syndrome)?
The British Association of Psychologists have stated, that according to their information, that they can successfully help people that Psychiatrists prescribe Neuroleptics to (- which I firmly believe that they can).
Okay
Rachel,
I was referring to Psychiatry and drug companies as two different entities.
I suffered (Historically) from Akathisia which made me Unpredictable and was the Worst Experience of my Life, and my GP at London W2 has (very recently) entered this onto my records.
I also presented an information document on Akathisia to him, which he avoided to the extent that he was capable.
Most GP s in the UK prescribing SSRI s are very ignorant of the potential effects of these drugs but when they eventually find out they will need “help” themselves.
Dear Philip, its nice to see you again.
The drug companies sell drugs just like the junk food companies sell junk food; of course it’s Psychiatrys responsibility not to poison “patients”.
Dr Allen Frances (et al) identified Fluphenazine Decanoate depot injection as a “killer drug” in 1983, something I am grateful for. He has spoken out against premature intervention of young people on the grounds that most of these young people will never need this. He has stated decent housing to be the one of the most important things a person needs to remain sane. I support all of these points.
But I don’t support “Psychiatric Diagnoses” or “Chemical Solutions” – because I got better as a result of not taking my “medication” with the help of “Psychology”.