In my experience “antipsychotic” drugs cause the conditions they are prescribed to treat. If a person is given these drugs to improve their “mental health”, there is a good chance that they will ultimately end up longterm mentally disabled – as a result.
Thank You Jenny,
From the Above Article:-
“….about half of the population will meet the criteria for a psychiatric diagnosis at some point…”
They Already Do (- in Ireland) :-
Irish Examiner, 27 June 2022, Ryan O Rourke :-
” ….42% of Irish adults have a mental health disorder and and over 10% have attempted suicide..”
(Google for Study Article)
This could mean that 42% of Irish Professionals, Politicians, Lawyers, Doctors, Teachers, Lecturers, Soldiers, Psychiatrists, Psychologists, are Mentally Disordered.
The Evidence:-
“..The study, which was carried out by academics from Maynooth University, National College of Ireland and Trinity College Dublin, is the first comprehensive assessment of the occurrence of multiple mental health disorders and attempted suicide in the Republic of Ireland…”
Shocking Conclusion:-
Even Psychologists and Psychiatrists (from Maynooth University, National College Ireland and Trinity College) that prepared this Study, are quite likely Mentally Disordered.
The whole idea of NOT taking psychedelics was that these drugs could mess a person’s brain up, and cause longterm problems.
Prior to the introduction of SSRI s in 1980 (plus) there was NO Depression. People took it for granted that they might be happy or unhappy, but identifying with Depression showed a person up as a loser.
These days if the “anti depressants” don’t work and the person complains – they might get a shocking (whether they want it or not).
Bob, as regards Disability Benefit – the UK claimants are probably GENUINELY Disabled as a result of exposure to the “AntiDepressants” – I very nearly ended up like this myself.
I have never Heard Voices myself but I am interested in the Subject.
The London Hearing Voices Network appears only to have meetings during normal office hours – which to me completely defeats the idea of a “Peer Group”.
I would have thought that a Hearing Voices Network would operate outside of normal working hours with (personally experienced) people helping newer arrivals.
Professionals are the last thing needed in a Peer Group.
If you take the drugs over a period of time, and feel terrible when you stop, you could easily believe the drugs are effectively treating an illness.
…Works better than this Drug here:
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
From National University Ireland Galway 2021
1 in 3 UK Teens Given Antidepressants Despite Official Guidelines. Where is this likely to lead?
“….I think that in many ways Shipman was a victim of a system that didnāt protect him when he needed it most. ..”
What about Nurse Beverly Allitt (Wikipedia)
“…English serial child killer who was convicted of murdering four children, attempting to murder three other children, and causing grievous bodily harm to a further six.[1]..”
“…attempting to murder three other children..”
In My Case:- I Do Have The Evidence
But there have been so many people in Ireland killed on this drug (Fluphenazine) – the authorities “don’t want to get involved”.
I believe withdrawal from psychiatric “medication” can cause short term, and long term OCD.
THE BIOLOGICAL CREATION OF “SCHIZOPHRENIA”
“Schizophrenia” is supppsed to be a long term mental illness. So how is it possible to diagnose it?
I believe a person is often considered “Schizophrenic” if they relapse as a result of stopping medication.
I “relapsed”several times and ended up in hospital, until I went back on medication, and slowly tapered – and could only then withdraw from treatment and remain well.
I also had to find a way to deal with my dreadful ‘psychiatric drug withdrawal anxiety’.
But I didn’t originally have the necessary symptoms for a “Schizophrenic Diagnosis” – the symptoms had been game played.
Most people are probably like me – they become “Schizophrenic” through co operating with psychiatric treatment.
I would presume that if Doctor Harold Shipman (Wikipedia) had unsucessfully set up a situation whereby another one of his patients might lose their life – he would still be prosecuted. But this doesn’t seem to happen in Mental Health even though the unexpected death rate can be quite high.
Thank You John Read and Jeffrey Masson,
Biological Psychiatry is still murdering āSchizophrenicsā.
I nearly died several times at Galway, on the below drugs:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
From National University Ireland Galway 2021
Suicide Associated with Akathisia and Depot Fluphenazine Treatment 1983
SHEAR, M. KATHERINE MD; FRANCES, ALLEN MD; WEIDDN, PETER MD
Psychiatric Times June 18 2014
āā¦Patients with schizophrenia were each given 20 mg of fluphenazine, the difference between the highest and lowest blood level of the drug was 40-foldā¦ā
When I relocated to the UK (in 1986), I asked Doctors at Galway if they would send an ADR Warning concerning Fluphenazine to the UK, and they assured me they would. But they didnāt, they misrepresented me instead.
“..Less than 25% of people respond to Antidepressants..”
is something we already know – and is not very optimistic.
It might be possible also, that quite a few people get very little benefit – but are incapable of stopping.
And …What’s to be done about the Fact, that the rate of Mental Health Disability has increased quite a bit since Antidepressants came into common use..?
Robert, I have NO difficulty understanding where you’re coming from.
“Anxiety/Depression” is a genuinely terrible thing but there are non chemical solutions to Anxiety – and there can be an end to Anxiety.
I believe a lot of teenagers today are supposed to suffer from a certain amount of ‘anxiety’ – and this is often seen as “illness”.
Personally, I was raised in a Catholic background, where ‘suffering’ was seen not as an illness but as part of life..
Fortunately for me as I progressed into my 20s, I was able to get a handle on ‘my Anxiety’, and to happily avoid a lot of unnecessary suffering.
Dear Carol and Russell,
I’m very sorry to hear about the loss of your daughter, Catherine. Thank you for the hard work you have done in attempting to expose the terrible treatment of vulnerable people within the Psychiatric System.
I consumed antipsychotics (between the age of 20 and 24) and suffered from chronic and acute Akathisia; attempting suicide twice as a result.
I regained my health and independence through carefully stopping this treatment.
“…During his training, he recalls, his professors had told him that stopping antidepressants was fairly easy….”
The Professors should go back to school.
As slow as is needed – maybe.
MAYBE WE DONāT NEED PSYCHIATRY
If a āSeverely Diagnosed Personā can come off the (below) drugs Independently – and Cost Nothing and make Full Recovery:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
[For Recent STUDY ā copy and google above heading]
And if as Reported:-
āā¦Over 40% of Irish adults have mental health disorder, study findsā¦ā
Irish Times Mon Jun 27 2022 ā 19:21
āā¦The study, which was carried out by academics from Maynooth University, National College of Ireland and Trinity College Dublinā¦ā
BRIEF EXPLANATION
I was placed on Disabling and Suicidally inductive Fluphenazine Decanoate in 1980.
Following complaint, I was given permission in 1983, to abruptly withdraw from these drugs ā and ended up in Galway University Hospial.
By 1984 I was considered hopeless.
I then decided to taper very carefully from these drugs. I also learned how to cope (through trial and error), with my drug withdrawal anxiety.
I regained my ability to function and was no longer Suicidal as a result of successfully coming off these drugs; and have remained well since (1984 -2022).
The original ādiagnosisā had been āSchizophreniaā
Depression was more or less invented alongside Prozac in the 1980s.
Richard
To be truthful the AA does work. The AA is not commercial but the Rehab industry is very commercial.
There are lots of things people object to regarding the AA – but these issues do not present themselves as actual problems within the fellowship.
“…Unfortunately, for most, antidepressants donāt work..”
I was prescribed tricyclic “anti depressant” Prothiaden in the 1980s, and consumed it until 1990.
AND:- Going on Prothiaden made No difference; Being on Prothiaden made No difference; and Coming Off Prothiaden made No difference.
But I wasn’t Clinically Depressed to Begin With.
MAYBE WE DON’T NEED ANY PSYCHIATRISTS OR ANY PSYCHOLOGISTS…
..If a ‘Severely Diagnosed Person’ can come off the below drugs independently and Cost Nothing, and make Full Recovery:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
[For Recent STUDY – copy and google above heading]
…and if…
“…Over 40% of Irish adults have mental health disorder, study finds…”
Irish Times Mon Jun 27 2022 – 19:21
“…The study, which was carried out by academics from Maynooth University, National College of Ireland and Trinity College Dublin…”
BRIEF EXPLANATION
I was placed on Disabling and Suicidally inductive Fluphenazine Decanoate in 1980.
Following complaint, I was given permission in 1983, to abruptly withdraw from these drugs – and ended up in Galway University Hospial.
By 1984 I was considered hopeless.
I then decided to taper very carefully from these drugs. I also learned how to cope (through trial and error), with my drug withdrawal anxiety.
I regained my ability to function and was no longer Suicidal as a result of successfully coming off these drugs; and have remained well since (1984 -2022).
The original “diagnosis” had been “Schizophrenia”
When I complained in Ireland about nearly losing my life on psychiatric drugs, a psychiatrist sympathised with me, but stated that this was not just something that happened in Ireland, but in every other country as well.
How can any “genuine Medicine” NOT be aware after 30 years of usage, that this type of drug has very little value.
(I remember attending an ‘Event’ a few years ago in Central London where a learned Mental Health Lawyer and Tribunal Judge, stated that if psychiatrists were to acknowledge the effects of psychiatric drugs, they would not be able to prescribe them.
His actual point was that it was reasonable enough for a Psychiatrist not to acknowledge Psychiatric Abuse).
āTrauma-Informed Careā Left Me More Traumatised Than Ever”
I could very easily picture that it would.
truth793810,
In terms of ‘powerlessness’ – a lot of AA ‘recommendations’ need to be experienced before they can be understood.
Is it originally:- Psychosis or Intoxication? Once a person gets misdiagnosed and goes onto “antipsychotics” they are in danger of becoming longterm mentally Ill.
This is what happens to 9 out of 10 of the racially divergent so called Longterm Mentally Ill.
The AA 3rd Step
āMade a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.ā
I believe The 3rd Step Is about Not identifying too much with a troubled mind; and finding peace as a result.
Practising the 3rd Step can help neutralise Historical Trauma.
(.. God being a Higher Power of a persons own choosing..).
As far as I know it has an extremely good success rate.
I believe ‘Powerless over alcohol’ refers to ”total cessation of alcohol’ which puts the alcoholic in with a chance of success.
Exposure to strong Psychiatric drugs can cause “Schizophrenia”.
Fluphenazine Decanoate consumption over a period of time – can on its removal – result in MADNESS.
….As can be seen in the (below) Paper:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY (Copy and google – for Research Paper)
“..In total, 71.4% (n=10) of our participants had relapse significant of noting since fluphenazine decanoate withdrawal…” (- with the availability of replacement “neuroleptics”).
The Irish Researchers have CONFUSED “Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal Syndrome” with RELAPSE.
(“Withdrawal Syndrome” happens automatically – RELAPSE happens further down the line).
I was capable of surviving inside my own head prior to consuming Psychiatric drugs, but after attempting to stop taking these drugs my ANXIETY was such that I was in danger of Breaking Down.
I learnt how to cope with my Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal High Anxiety through trial and error – but it could have gone the other way.
I believe that If a person can learn to cope with Neuroleptic Withdrawal Syndrome they can probably learn to cope with so called “Schizophrenia”.
I was described (as per my records) as a sick individual while I co operated with Psychiatric treatment – but I recovered as a result of stopping Psychiatric treatment.
WARNING – ABOUT FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE
This drug is notorious for causing Akathisia, Suicide and Physical Disability. This drug has killed many People, their deaths masked as Mental Illness.
Psychiatric Times June 18, 2014
“..For example, a study published in 1982 reported that when a group of patients with schizophrenia were each given 20 mg of fluphenazine, the difference between the highest and lowest blood level of the drug was 40-fold. ..”
Journal of Clinical Psychophrmacology – August 1983 – Volume 3 – Issue 4 p235
Suicide Associated with Akathisia and Depot Fluphenazine Treatment 1983
SHEAR, M. KATHERINE, MD, FRANCES, ALLEN, MD, WEIDDN, PETER, MD
ALSO FROM THE RECENT IRISH RESEARCH PAPER
Study Work Status “…92.9% unemployed..” :-
I remained physically disabled, not unemployed while I consumed Fluphenazine Decanoate.
“…When thioridazine, another FGA, was withdrawn from the market in 2005, high rates of relapses for many patients with psychotic disorders including those who had maintained mental health stability for many years was noted (Purhonenetal.,2012)…”
Thioradazine and Fluphenazine as older drugs target different parts of the brain to the newer drugs.
Thioradazine can also have strong Withdrawal Effects.
The overall percentage of people in the prison system with drink or drugs problems would be very high anyway.
The only effective means of recovery from drugs or alcohol that I know of is through the 12 Step Recovery System. When people Recover through this Peer Support System they often remain recovered.
The only problem is that 12 Step Recovery ultimately costs nothing.
The Briish Psychological Society claims it can alleviate the suffering of so called “Mental Illness” through Normal Psychological Means – I believe them.
Psychiatryās Turbulent Quest to Cure Mental Illness
This is a good one – because my Cure was leaving Psychiatry.
My (1980) notes from the Maudsley hospital contain a letter from a Dr D C Mawson stating that he feared I had come under the influence of (street) drugs in London – but the only place I could have – would have been in the Maudsley Hospital/Kings College itself – through my normal eating and drinking habits.
I attempted suicide twice in a state of Acute AKATHISIA while consuming strong Psychiatric drugs (1980 – 1984) – but never before taking these drugs, and never after stopping these drugs (1984 – 2022).
I came off the strong Psychiatric drugs through acceptable Psychological means.
Traditionally I believe, with depression with limited treatment most people would go through a series of very bad patches and then the problem would ‘burn itself out’.
It’s only in modern times with universal medications, that ‘depression’ has become a long term condition.
I believe that theres nothing that creates an impression of “Schizophrenia” better than exposure to “Antipsychotics”. I believe the majority of people that attempt to discontinue “Antipsychotics” – experience Antipsychotic Withdrawal Syndrome – NOT Relapse.
I had never experienced the phenomenon of Auditory Hallucinations, these were produced by Maudsley/ Kings College staff to support a diagnosis of “schizophrenia” – they were not genuine.
The phenomenon of Delusion was also erroneous as Maudsley/Kings College Medical Staff were intentionally unaware of the foreign country I had just come from.
But I still only managed to come off Psychiatric Drugs suitable for “Schizophrenia” by the SKIN OF MY TEETH.
My accompanying UK Doctor (Dr B Stone) on arrival at Galway Ireland in 1980, had presented drunk in front of University College Galway Hospital Doctors. The notes recorded on Admission at Galway in 1980 were not up to any basic medical standard. The process was bent!
(Dr B Stone died tragically in October 1999 at the Age of 51, in hospital, as a result of injuries received ‘in a fire at his home’.)
A person is unlikely to stab themselves multiple times in the stomach, (as has happened several times in Ireland), under the influence of unhappiness or even ‘insanity’ – But they they can do so under the influence of Psychiatric Drug Induced Acute Akathisia.
If this is true then at least one of these
doctors is MAD:-
.”..Over 40% of Irish adults have a mental health disorder and one in ten have attempted suicide ā MU, NCI and Trinity College research…”
“..Just like ābipolarā is an iatrogenic illness, that can be created with the ADHD drugs and antidepressants….”
Bi Polar CAN be created by consuming drugs suitable for bi polar – I was put on Lithium (for no real reason) in 1980 and came off it in the early 1980s with a completely changed ‘over the top’ personality.
But I was already an established Psychiatric patient at Galway Ireland, so there was nothing that could be done about it. There would be no point. And it eventually went of it’s own accord.
I nearly went mad trying to come off “drugs suitable for Schizophrenia”, but I managed to come off them wih a practical and safe approach. I would say anyone could do the same.
The German Wings pilot would more than likely have remained a normal individual with a stressed work life had he NOT followed Medical Advice.
My opinion is that there are lots of unhappy people around. But most unhappy people are unlikely to take the law into their own hands. It’s under the influence of psychiatic drugs that people are likely to “act out”.
Recovery for me meant coming off the very disabling antipsychotics BUT also figuring out through trial and error how I could overcome my dreadful (withdrawal) anxiety. Once I had the basic tools I didn’t need anything else (especially professionals).
Thank you Peter,
I’d say that that Heading is about right!
…contd.
Guns are strictly controlled In Ireland, but Ireland still has a high and unpredictable Homicide/Familicide rate usually carried out by otherwise normal people on psychotropic drugs (for ‘stress’).
Ireland as a country also has a generally high psychotropic drug prescription rate.
Theres strong evidence that Mass Shootings are caused by the unprofessional prescribing of Psychiatric Drugs.
In the mid 1980s I mentioned to my Psychiatrist (and University Researcher) at Galway Ireland that the drug Fluphenazine Decanoate depot at 25mg/month had been causing disabling restlessness and suicidal reaction – and that my recovery had been due to coming off this drug…
…He told me that he could have had somebody on 10 times or 25 times or even 40 times this level of drug and they would not have had the same side effects as I had experienced (- at the time I actually thought the Psychiatrist was DRUNK)….
I believe this same Toxicity Phenomenon can apply to other Psychiatric Drugs as well – Antidepressants included.
Better Off Without Antipsychotic Drugs?
June 18, 2014
E. Fuller Torrey, MD
Psychiatric Times, Vol 31 No 6, Volume 31, Issue 6
“…For example, a study published in 1982 reported that when a group of patients with schizophrenia were each given 20 mg of fluphenazine, the difference between the highest and lowest blood level of the drug was 40-fold… “
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“….Saint Lukeās Hospital in the Eighteenth century, The Retreat at York and the Salpetriere in the Nineteenth, Chestnut LodgeĀ ..”
We’re going backwards – not forwards.
…But theres a lot of profit to be made out of Human Misery.
l_e_cox,
You could not have said it better:
“…As I understand it, he had a metabolic condition that prevents the Paxil from being broken down and excreted by the body, so it just kept building up…”
If such a condition is accepted and acknowledged – what should happen next?
I am very grateful to David Carmichael for taking on board this initiative. There seems to be a tremendous lack of awareness from Legislators. Prescribers and Consumers on this subject.
I attempted suicide several times and experienced years of neurological disability (in Southern Ireland) on Strong Psychiatric Drugs. I also suffered dreadful withdrawal Anxiety when I attempted to withdraw. But I ultimately found a psychological means of coping, and made full recovery as a result.
“…antidepressants, far from saving lives, actually INCREASE the odds of someone committing suicide….” Exactly.
I can’t see any reason to use these drugs other than to reduce and undermine.
A stressed person might take ‘antidepressants’ for relief, but if anything goes wrong they can easily end up a “long term psychiatric patient”.
Even if someone were “Severely Depressed” they would probably still be better off without ‘antidepressants’ – and experimenting with alternative means:-
“…i-feel-totally-seen-john-crace-on-how-guided-breathing-soothed-a-lifetime-of-anxiety..”
(copy and google).
…If this doesn’t work – theres plenty of other stuff that does.
I like the way you describe life, you are very funny.
Stay away from family, has to be good advice. It mightn’t sound like it – but it is.
I never suffered from Clinical depression even though I was prescribed Lithium and went quite high when I came off it. I survived the ‘highness’ without hospitalization as there was nowhere for me to go. I was a person in the community and on disability benefit.
I recovered my independence as a result of stopping psychiatric drugs slowly, and figuring out how to deal with my ‘head’, and what the Psychiatric drugs had done to my ‘head’.
Good Luck!
Hi Ryan, Great to hear your story. I like your sense of humour. Nice fotos towards the end as well!
Psychiatry, the Brain, etcetera..
People that Recover all more or less Recover the same way – they move away from Psychiatry (and Psychology) – and sort things out.
You’re definitely not too far away from the truth!
PTSD Illusion
It’s possible to demonstrate how PTSD operates and how to balance PTSD off, through a very simple Experiment.
For Example, States of Anxiety seem Very Real, but they eventually SOFTEN – if the ANXIETY is NOT engaged. When this happens the MIND comes back to Normal.
This phenomenon only needs to be experienced ONCE – to know that it is TRUE.
Described Brilliantly …:-
DISSOLVING THE PAIN-BODY: An excerpt from THE POWER OF NOW by Eckhart Tolle
(Google in the Heading – to get the text).
Yes, There seems to be a lot of support for systems that undermine and damage people.
“..If its hysterical – its historical…”
Thanks Frank,
“..Mental health nonsense is an obsession for some people, but not for all people..”
Theres no end to “Mental Health,” in the UK and Ireland – it just goes on and on.
Brilliant, now we know that children and grown ups are being looked after by the Services (NOT)!
Thank You May-May
I am feeling much better, and I do appreciate your article.
As a youngster I was put on a Long acting Depot Injection which caused Suicidal Reaction and Disability.
After my ‘cold turkey’ experience, I requested oral medication and reduced these drugs carefully (over a number of years).
I also suffered from nearly Disabling Drug Withdrawal High Anxiety – but I found that I was eventually able to overcome this – through psychological means.
I’ve been off medications for many years now, and am quite happy.
(….with the same outcome)
Thomas Insel
“….I spent 13 years at [NIMH] pushing on the neuroscience and genetics of mental disorders, and when I look back . . I think $20 billion …”
1. Neuroleptics aka “Antiosychotics” have been around for 60 years BUT have only recently been defined as – (a) having withdrawal syndromes that can actually cause psychosis (b) being most effective at lower doses.
2. Neuroleptic/”Antipsychotic” Withdrawal Syndrome is a type of Chemically Induced PTSD Condition
(a) that can completely disable
(b) …BUT can be successfully accommodated with suitable non drug help.
Thank You May-May,
This is a fantastic informative article.
“…Antipsychotic…she said that I could stop taking it ācold turkeyā…”
Imagine a person has an ‘ingredient’ put inside their head for a period of time, that becomes part and parcel of the workings of their brain – and IT is suddenly removed ‘cold turkey’. ‘Something’ is likely to happen – isn’t it?
(I’ve experienced the same ‘medical’ approach myself).
Thank You Jonathan,
As soon as I saw NICE I was waiting for the “catch’.
I don’t go in for Mental Health, but I didn’t find a ‘way out’
all by myself. My ‘way out’ came from recognising ‘medication induced PTSD’ and getting beyond it. After that I was happy.
(If a person can survive ‘medication induced PTSD’ – then, there is not much ‘Catastrophy’ that they can’t Survive).
Recent very worthwhile UK Research, suggests ‘abrupt breakdown’ on psychiatric drug discontinuation to indicate Withdrawal Syndrome – not Relapse. How many so called “Schizophrenics” don’t breakdown abruptly on psychiatric drug discontinuation – I did so myself, several times.
I also, sometimes think the ambition of “The Mental Health Service” is to compromise as much of the population as possible.
I appreciate your article!
Thank You Tamara,
This is a very good description of what actually happens in Psychiatry. It’s a place of evil.
Thank You Richard
“…Everyone are useless eaters..”
It can be seen Right Now how Europe is losing ground – with inflation, recession and impending poverty – yet the World has never been Richer.
davecurtis314
If we already know that People can make full Recovery and return to productive life without Psychiatric Drug Dependency – then this surely is the way forward.
Irish Psychologist Dr Mike Watts, towards the end of his career, has produced a PHD on how people have successfully recovered (from so called
“Schizophrenia/BiPolar/Depression”) through Peer Support.
“…Not everyone buys this conspiracy theory. Others see the problem as ineffective treatment. ..”
“….and many of the people receiving medications do not take them . . . so the crisis of care is not just lack of access (to treatment), but lack of engagement [with treatment.]..”
Once a Professional begins to talk like this it is obvious that they have “sold out”. But maybe Thomas Insel feels that he has no choice. If he rocks the boat he can become a “reject” himself.
Psychiatry is only one part of population abuse.
The effect of the WAR in Ukraine will be to cause a Recession and a reduction in the standard of living in both Europe and Russia. Lots of People are not exactly needed and with information technology society can be easily controlled.
Steve
The shooters tend to be on “normal person” medication not “Severely Mentally Ill person” Medication. The shooters are generally Normal People that have gone Mad, NOT Severely Mentally Ill People that have gone MAD.
…And the Problem tends to be that the Prescribed DRUGS have driven them MAD.
Steve,
I don’t see any reason why it might stop with the “mentally ill”?
Thank You Bob,
You are right in everything you say about the disadvantages of drug dependent psychiatric treatment.
A person might nearly think that the idea behind Psychiatry was to control and thrash people. We are more or less heading in the Western World for about 30% of the population being somewhat Psychiatric. It can also be clearly seen in society, that all the wealth is going in one direction.
Recovering people through effective Peer Groups needn’t cost anything. I’ve seen lots of people completely recover very quickly in Peer Groups (and remain well).
Do you think this man here is making his story up?
The same ‘Stress Management’ Advice is available in ‘Buddhism’, in ’12 Step Fellowship’, in generalised ‘Hinduism’ and from the ‘Stoics’.
Dear Jenifer,
Thank you this well written and credible article. My attitude towards the Mental Health System is that it is one of Legitimized Criminality. I think you will go far in your writing, and activism.
ATTENTION RESEARCHERS:
I attended a Stress Management Course at Covent Garden Central London, provided by the “Brahma Kumari Spiritual Organization” – some years ago.
The Brahma Kumari Lady said that when we believe we are upset about an incident or something happening to us – it is NOT the incident itself that upsets us but a previous incident from the PAST that has been triggered by the present day incident. And the way to deal with the upset is to come to terms with it.
Then the Lady said “..you see in a sense we are all Schizophrenics…” – this is TRUE because once the feelings are resolved – the incident is NO longer too important!
Applying this ‘Principle’ provided me with one of the means by which I came off the (below) medication – and regained my independance:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
(Copy and google the Heading for the Study)
It’s clear from this (above) study that it is nearly impossible even with access to other medications – to withdraw from this drug.
But this Approach is a very simple and straightforward Approach.
Desr Richard,
The medical model doesn’t work at all (at any level). The psychotherapeutic model could also, be described as a bit of a time waster.
I notice the Twelve Step Model seems to work very well for a lot of people, especially if they remain committed even after they gain a place in society.
The authors are getting completely lost in their own writings. I was a “chronic schizophrenic” until I stopped strong psychiatric drug treatment.
I was climbing the walls when I stopped strong psychiatric drugs but NO longer disabled.
Luckily I was able to find strategies to deal with my drug withdrawal distress, and remain in the real world.
Lots of Professionals going around in circles were NOT required.
I agree at least 90% with you, Joshua.
Countries are not run by voters they are run by corporations. The representative political parties work for the corporations they don’t work for the electorate. It’s not a question of “Capitalism” it’s a question of complete control.
“… We know perfectly well what causes depression, anxiety, paranoia, hallucinations, delusions, etc. These complaints are caused (not ātriggeredā) by abuse, trauma, loss, etc…”
Very well expressed.
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION …
ā¢ Ethical Approval was obtained for this study from Galway University Hospitals Research Ethics Committee
ā¢ Funding for this study was provided by the School of Medicine, NUI Galway
Theres more than a bit of Dr Shipman in the Fluphenazine Decanoate Depot Irish Suicides and this is something I can substantiate.
(Dr Harold Shipman (1946 – 2004) didn’t just kill vulnerable patients for Pleasure – he also killed them for Money).
Thank You Someone Else,
“Anticholinergic Toxidrome” is well recognised.
I notice also a number of Celebrities in the UK that have acknowledged taking antidepressants have developed Parkinsons Disease in Older Age.
Use of antidepressants and the risk of Parkinson’s disease: a prospective study:-
“…Our study shows that the risk of PD increases during the first two years of use of antidepressants, whether they are tricyclic antidepressants or SSRIs. The increased PD risk that follows initiation of antidepressants was greater among individuals with recent history of depression than among the others…”
I would imagine that there could be some anticholinergic influence involved here as well.
Thank You Andrew
“SUICIDE”
“…I donāt think we moved the needle in reducing suicide…”
My Disability and Suicide Attempts were caused by the drug (below) :
Suicide associated with akathisia and depot fluphenazine treatment
M K Shear Allen Frances et al. J Clin Psychopharmacol. 1983 Aug.
I asked for ADR Warning to be included in 1986, and strongly complained about this drug in 2012. The 1986 Requested Warnings though guaranteed were deliberately OMITTED by Doctors at Galway Ireland.
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
NUI GALWAY 2021 (Copy and Google Heading to get Study)
Theres also NO Warning Whatsoever in the above Study of the present day Dangers of this Drug – though this drug has killed vulnerable people in Ireland over the years – Left, Right and Centre.
The Drug is out of Patent so if it was continued it would most likely be continued in the 3rd World.
My Experience of this drug is that it causes it’s own type of “Schizophrenia” through its Withdrawal Syndrome.
OPINION
The Authors I believe take it for granted that it’s okay to kill a certain amount of people with this drug and that prescribing doctors are better off not knowing about the dangers.
I don’t exactly know what “Schizophrenia” is as I have never had a breakdown. (I was poisoned in Amsterdam in 1980 and made Recovery in Ireland in 1984 as a result of stopping psychiatric drug treatment – which was a very difficult thing to do).
But, I believe people that hear voices can often develop tactics to quieten them, or they can alternatively learn to live with their voices.
I believe people that suffer from extreme anxiety can often learn to stand off their anxiety – and approach their problems without fear.
I also know that preoccupations and delusions, can often disappear of their own accord.
Irelands main export is pharmaceuticals – so we have a terrible Mental Health problem in the country, with Homicides and Familicides that are completely unexplainable.
It depends on what the doctor means by “recover and lead full lives.” The doctor represents the patient in MH!
Thank you very much doctor.
A person can successfully come off Psychiatric Drugs, but if they have had a breakdown what’s to stop them having a “breakdown” again.
Surely they need to put right whatever caused the “breakdown” to begin with – to avoid having another one.
In my experience “antipsychotic” drugs cause the conditions they are prescribed to treat. If a person is given these drugs to improve their “mental health”, there is a good chance that they will ultimately end up longterm mentally disabled – as a result.
Thank You Jenny,
From the Above Article:-
“….about half of the population will meet the criteria for a psychiatric diagnosis at some point…”
They Already Do (- in Ireland) :-
Irish Examiner, 27 June 2022, Ryan O Rourke :-
” ….42% of Irish adults have a mental health disorder and and over 10% have attempted suicide..”
(Google for Study Article)
This could mean that 42% of Irish Professionals, Politicians, Lawyers, Doctors, Teachers, Lecturers, Soldiers, Psychiatrists, Psychologists, are Mentally Disordered.
The Evidence:-
“..The study, which was carried out by academics from Maynooth University, National College of Ireland and Trinity College Dublin, is the first comprehensive assessment of the occurrence of multiple mental health disorders and attempted suicide in the Republic of Ireland…”
Shocking Conclusion:-
Even Psychologists and Psychiatrists (from Maynooth University, National College Ireland and Trinity College) that prepared this Study, are quite likely Mentally Disordered.
The whole idea of NOT taking psychedelics was that these drugs could mess a person’s brain up, and cause longterm problems.
Prior to the introduction of SSRI s in 1980 (plus) there was NO Depression. People took it for granted that they might be happy or unhappy, but identifying with Depression showed a person up as a loser.
These days if the “anti depressants” don’t work and the person complains – they might get a shocking (whether they want it or not).
Bob, as regards Disability Benefit – the UK claimants are probably GENUINELY Disabled as a result of exposure to the “AntiDepressants” – I very nearly ended up like this myself.
I have never Heard Voices myself but I am interested in the Subject.
The London Hearing Voices Network appears only to have meetings during normal office hours – which to me completely defeats the idea of a “Peer Group”.
I would have thought that a Hearing Voices Network would operate outside of normal working hours with (personally experienced) people helping newer arrivals.
Professionals are the last thing needed in a Peer Group.
If you take the drugs over a period of time, and feel terrible when you stop, you could easily believe the drugs are effectively treating an illness.
In My Experience:-
The approach represented in this book here:-
https://youtu.be/CqLU8nKau1M
…Works better than this Drug here:
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
From National University Ireland Galway 2021
1 in 3 UK Teens Given Antidepressants Despite Official Guidelines. Where is this likely to lead?
“….I think that in many ways Shipman was a victim of a system that didnāt protect him when he needed it most. ..”
What about Nurse Beverly Allitt (Wikipedia)
“…English serial child killer who was convicted of murdering four children, attempting to murder three other children, and causing grievous bodily harm to a further six.[1]..”
“…attempting to murder three other children..”
In My Case:- I Do Have The Evidence
But there have been so many people in Ireland killed on this drug (Fluphenazine) – the authorities “don’t want to get involved”.
I believe withdrawal from psychiatric “medication” can cause short term, and long term OCD.
THE BIOLOGICAL CREATION OF “SCHIZOPHRENIA”
“Schizophrenia” is supppsed to be a long term mental illness. So how is it possible to diagnose it?
I believe a person is often considered “Schizophrenic” if they relapse as a result of stopping medication.
I “relapsed”several times and ended up in hospital, until I went back on medication, and slowly tapered – and could only then withdraw from treatment and remain well.
I also had to find a way to deal with my dreadful ‘psychiatric drug withdrawal anxiety’.
But I didn’t originally have the necessary symptoms for a “Schizophrenic Diagnosis” – the symptoms had been game played.
Most people are probably like me – they become “Schizophrenic” through co operating with psychiatric treatment.
I would presume that if Doctor Harold Shipman (Wikipedia) had unsucessfully set up a situation whereby another one of his patients might lose their life – he would still be prosecuted. But this doesn’t seem to happen in Mental Health even though the unexpected death rate can be quite high.
Thank You John Read and Jeffrey Masson,
Biological Psychiatry is still murdering āSchizophrenicsā.
I nearly died several times at Galway, on the below drugs:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
From National University Ireland Galway 2021
Suicide Associated with Akathisia and Depot Fluphenazine Treatment 1983
SHEAR, M. KATHERINE MD; FRANCES, ALLEN MD; WEIDDN, PETER MD
Psychiatric Times June 18 2014
āā¦Patients with schizophrenia were each given 20 mg of fluphenazine, the difference between the highest and lowest blood level of the drug was 40-foldā¦ā
When I relocated to the UK (in 1986), I asked Doctors at Galway if they would send an ADR Warning concerning Fluphenazine to the UK, and they assured me they would. But they didnāt, they misrepresented me instead.
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Interpretation
https://youtu.be/F2s9Mn5EqeU
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The Patents have expired, so it might be time to move on to the next thing.
If what Elon Musk says is true – there is NO Energy Crisis
https://youtube.com/shorts/FvL_l0OqVzE?feature=share
Peter,
We’ll have to wait and see – what it means!
“..Less than 25% of people respond to Antidepressants..”
is something we already know – and is not very optimistic.
It might be possible also, that quite a few people get very little benefit – but are incapable of stopping.
And …What’s to be done about the Fact, that the rate of Mental Health Disability has increased quite a bit since Antidepressants came into common use..?
Robert, I have NO difficulty understanding where you’re coming from.
“Anxiety/Depression” is a genuinely terrible thing but there are non chemical solutions to Anxiety – and there can be an end to Anxiety.
I believe a lot of teenagers today are supposed to suffer from a certain amount of ‘anxiety’ – and this is often seen as “illness”.
Personally, I was raised in a Catholic background, where ‘suffering’ was seen not as an illness but as part of life..
Fortunately for me as I progressed into my 20s, I was able to get a handle on ‘my Anxiety’, and to happily avoid a lot of unnecessary suffering.
Dear Carol and Russell,
I’m very sorry to hear about the loss of your daughter, Catherine. Thank you for the hard work you have done in attempting to expose the terrible treatment of vulnerable people within the Psychiatric System.
I consumed antipsychotics (between the age of 20 and 24) and suffered from chronic and acute Akathisia; attempting suicide twice as a result.
I regained my health and independence through carefully stopping this treatment.
“…During his training, he recalls, his professors had told him that stopping antidepressants was fairly easy….”
The Professors should go back to school.
As slow as is needed – maybe.
MAYBE WE DONāT NEED PSYCHIATRY
If a āSeverely Diagnosed Personā can come off the (below) drugs Independently – and Cost Nothing and make Full Recovery:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
[For Recent STUDY ā copy and google above heading]
And if as Reported:-
āā¦Over 40% of Irish adults have mental health disorder, study findsā¦ā
Irish Times Mon Jun 27 2022 ā 19:21
āā¦The study, which was carried out by academics from Maynooth University, National College of Ireland and Trinity College Dublinā¦ā
BRIEF EXPLANATION
I was placed on Disabling and Suicidally inductive Fluphenazine Decanoate in 1980.
Following complaint, I was given permission in 1983, to abruptly withdraw from these drugs ā and ended up in Galway University Hospial.
By 1984 I was considered hopeless.
I then decided to taper very carefully from these drugs. I also learned how to cope (through trial and error), with my drug withdrawal anxiety.
I regained my ability to function and was no longer Suicidal as a result of successfully coming off these drugs; and have remained well since (1984 -2022).
The original ādiagnosisā had been āSchizophreniaā
Depression was more or less invented alongside Prozac in the 1980s.
Richard
To be truthful the AA does work. The AA is not commercial but the Rehab industry is very commercial.
There are lots of things people object to regarding the AA – but these issues do not present themselves as actual problems within the fellowship.
“…Unfortunately, for most, antidepressants donāt work..”
I was prescribed tricyclic “anti depressant” Prothiaden in the 1980s, and consumed it until 1990.
AND:- Going on Prothiaden made No difference; Being on Prothiaden made No difference; and Coming Off Prothiaden made No difference.
But I wasn’t Clinically Depressed to Begin With.
MAYBE WE DON’T NEED ANY PSYCHIATRISTS OR ANY PSYCHOLOGISTS…
..If a ‘Severely Diagnosed Person’ can come off the below drugs independently and Cost Nothing, and make Full Recovery:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
[For Recent STUDY – copy and google above heading]
…and if…
“…Over 40% of Irish adults have mental health disorder, study finds…”
Irish Times Mon Jun 27 2022 – 19:21
“…The study, which was carried out by academics from Maynooth University, National College of Ireland and Trinity College Dublin…”
BRIEF EXPLANATION
I was placed on Disabling and Suicidally inductive Fluphenazine Decanoate in 1980.
Following complaint, I was given permission in 1983, to abruptly withdraw from these drugs – and ended up in Galway University Hospial.
By 1984 I was considered hopeless.
I then decided to taper very carefully from these drugs. I also learned how to cope (through trial and error), with my drug withdrawal anxiety.
I regained my ability to function and was no longer Suicidal as a result of successfully coming off these drugs; and have remained well since (1984 -2022).
The original “diagnosis” had been “Schizophrenia”
When I complained in Ireland about nearly losing my life on psychiatric drugs, a psychiatrist sympathised with me, but stated that this was not just something that happened in Ireland, but in every other country as well.
How can any “genuine Medicine” NOT be aware after 30 years of usage, that this type of drug has very little value.
(I remember attending an ‘Event’ a few years ago in Central London where a learned Mental Health Lawyer and Tribunal Judge, stated that if psychiatrists were to acknowledge the effects of psychiatric drugs, they would not be able to prescribe them.
His actual point was that it was reasonable enough for a Psychiatrist not to acknowledge Psychiatric Abuse).
āTrauma-Informed Careā Left Me More Traumatised Than Ever”
I could very easily picture that it would.
truth793810,
In terms of ‘powerlessness’ – a lot of AA ‘recommendations’ need to be experienced before they can be understood.
Is it originally:- Psychosis or Intoxication? Once a person gets misdiagnosed and goes onto “antipsychotics” they are in danger of becoming longterm mentally Ill.
This is what happens to 9 out of 10 of the racially divergent so called Longterm Mentally Ill.
Breakfast News – Professor Joanna Moncrieff
https://youtu.be/2Ub7V0RcLew
A Decisive Blow to the Serotonin Hypothesis of Depression
The Empire is Falling
Evening Standard Newspaper 20 July 2022
Serotonin
University College London
https://youtu.be/MP1Y9f9JP1Q
The AA 3rd Step
āMade a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.ā
I believe The 3rd Step Is about Not identifying too much with a troubled mind; and finding peace as a result.
Practising the 3rd Step can help neutralise Historical Trauma.
(.. God being a Higher Power of a persons own choosing..).
As far as I know it has an extremely good success rate.
I believe ‘Powerless over alcohol’ refers to ”total cessation of alcohol’ which puts the alcoholic in with a chance of success.
Exposure to strong Psychiatric drugs can cause “Schizophrenia”.
Fluphenazine Decanoate consumption over a period of time – can on its removal – result in MADNESS.
….As can be seen in the (below) Paper:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY (Copy and google – for Research Paper)
“..In total, 71.4% (n=10) of our participants had relapse significant of noting since fluphenazine decanoate withdrawal…” (- with the availability of replacement “neuroleptics”).
The Irish Researchers have CONFUSED “Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal Syndrome” with RELAPSE.
(“Withdrawal Syndrome” happens automatically – RELAPSE happens further down the line).
I was capable of surviving inside my own head prior to consuming Psychiatric drugs, but after attempting to stop taking these drugs my ANXIETY was such that I was in danger of Breaking Down.
I learnt how to cope with my Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal High Anxiety through trial and error – but it could have gone the other way.
I believe that If a person can learn to cope with Neuroleptic Withdrawal Syndrome they can probably learn to cope with so called “Schizophrenia”.
I was described (as per my records) as a sick individual while I co operated with Psychiatric treatment – but I recovered as a result of stopping Psychiatric treatment.
WARNING – ABOUT FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE
This drug is notorious for causing Akathisia, Suicide and Physical Disability. This drug has killed many People, their deaths masked as Mental Illness.
Psychiatric Times June 18, 2014
“..For example, a study published in 1982 reported that when a group of patients with schizophrenia were each given 20 mg of fluphenazine, the difference between the highest and lowest blood level of the drug was 40-fold. ..”
Journal of Clinical Psychophrmacology – August 1983 – Volume 3 – Issue 4 p235
Suicide Associated with Akathisia and Depot Fluphenazine Treatment 1983
SHEAR, M. KATHERINE, MD, FRANCES, ALLEN, MD, WEIDDN, PETER, MD
ALSO FROM THE RECENT IRISH RESEARCH PAPER
Study Work Status “…92.9% unemployed..” :-
I remained physically disabled, not unemployed while I consumed Fluphenazine Decanoate.
“…When thioridazine, another FGA, was withdrawn from the market in 2005, high rates of relapses for many patients with psychotic disorders including those who had maintained mental health stability for many years was noted (Purhonenetal.,2012)…”
Thioradazine and Fluphenazine as older drugs target different parts of the brain to the newer drugs.
Thioradazine can also have strong Withdrawal Effects.
The overall percentage of people in the prison system with drink or drugs problems would be very high anyway.
The only effective means of recovery from drugs or alcohol that I know of is through the 12 Step Recovery System. When people Recover through this Peer Support System they often remain recovered.
The only problem is that 12 Step Recovery ultimately costs nothing.
The Briish Psychological Society claims it can alleviate the suffering of so called “Mental Illness” through Normal Psychological Means – I believe them.
Psychiatryās Turbulent Quest to Cure Mental Illness
This is a good one – because my Cure was leaving Psychiatry.
My (1980) notes from the Maudsley hospital contain a letter from a Dr D C Mawson stating that he feared I had come under the influence of (street) drugs in London – but the only place I could have – would have been in the Maudsley Hospital/Kings College itself – through my normal eating and drinking habits.
I attempted suicide twice in a state of Acute AKATHISIA while consuming strong Psychiatric drugs (1980 – 1984) – but never before taking these drugs, and never after stopping these drugs (1984 – 2022).
I came off the strong Psychiatric drugs through acceptable Psychological means.
Traditionally I believe, with depression with limited treatment most people would go through a series of very bad patches and then the problem would ‘burn itself out’.
It’s only in modern times with universal medications, that ‘depression’ has become a long term condition.
I believe that theres nothing that creates an impression of “Schizophrenia” better than exposure to “Antipsychotics”. I believe the majority of people that attempt to discontinue “Antipsychotics” – experience Antipsychotic Withdrawal Syndrome – NOT Relapse.
I had never experienced the phenomenon of Auditory Hallucinations, these were produced by Maudsley/ Kings College staff to support a diagnosis of “schizophrenia” – they were not genuine.
The phenomenon of Delusion was also erroneous as Maudsley/Kings College Medical Staff were intentionally unaware of the foreign country I had just come from.
But I still only managed to come off Psychiatric Drugs suitable for “Schizophrenia” by the SKIN OF MY TEETH.
My accompanying UK Doctor (Dr B Stone) on arrival at Galway Ireland in 1980, had presented drunk in front of University College Galway Hospital Doctors. The notes recorded on Admission at Galway in 1980 were not up to any basic medical standard. The process was bent!
(Dr B Stone died tragically in October 1999 at the Age of 51, in hospital, as a result of injuries received ‘in a fire at his home’.)
A person is unlikely to stab themselves multiple times in the stomach, (as has happened several times in Ireland), under the influence of unhappiness or even ‘insanity’ – But they they can do so under the influence of Psychiatric Drug Induced Acute Akathisia.
If this is true then at least one of these
doctors is MAD:-
.”..Over 40% of Irish adults have a mental health disorder and one in ten have attempted suicide ā MU, NCI and Trinity College research…”
:…The researchers, 1. Dr Philip Hyland, Department of Psychology, Maynooth University, 2. Dr Robert Fox of National College of Ireland, and 3. Dr FrĆ©dĆ©rique ValliĆØres of Trinity College screened people for 12 mental health disorders and asked them about lifetime history of attempted suicide….”
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Someone Else
“..Just like ābipolarā is an iatrogenic illness, that can be created with the ADHD drugs and antidepressants….”
Bi Polar CAN be created by consuming drugs suitable for bi polar – I was put on Lithium (for no real reason) in 1980 and came off it in the early 1980s with a completely changed ‘over the top’ personality.
But I was already an established Psychiatric patient at Galway Ireland, so there was nothing that could be done about it. There would be no point. And it eventually went of it’s own accord.
I nearly went mad trying to come off “drugs suitable for Schizophrenia”, but I managed to come off them wih a practical and safe approach. I would say anyone could do the same.
The German Wings pilot would more than likely have remained a normal individual with a stressed work life had he NOT followed Medical Advice.
What about this man here
BBC News – ‘My doctor prescribed rambling for lockdown anxiety’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-56919166
My opinion is that there are lots of unhappy people around. But most unhappy people are unlikely to take the law into their own hands. It’s under the influence of psychiatic drugs that people are likely to “act out”.
Recovery for me meant coming off the very disabling antipsychotics BUT also figuring out through trial and error how I could overcome my dreadful (withdrawal) anxiety. Once I had the basic tools I didn’t need anything else (especially professionals).
Thank you Peter,
I’d say that that Heading is about right!
…contd.
Guns are strictly controlled In Ireland, but Ireland still has a high and unpredictable Homicide/Familicide rate usually carried out by otherwise normal people on psychotropic drugs (for ‘stress’).
Ireland as a country also has a generally high psychotropic drug prescription rate.
Theres strong evidence that Mass Shootings are caused by the unprofessional prescribing of Psychiatric Drugs.
In the mid 1980s I mentioned to my Psychiatrist (and University Researcher) at Galway Ireland that the drug Fluphenazine Decanoate depot at 25mg/month had been causing disabling restlessness and suicidal reaction – and that my recovery had been due to coming off this drug…
…He told me that he could have had somebody on 10 times or 25 times or even 40 times this level of drug and they would not have had the same side effects as I had experienced (- at the time I actually thought the Psychiatrist was DRUNK)….
I believe this same Toxicity Phenomenon can apply to other Psychiatric Drugs as well – Antidepressants included.
Better Off Without Antipsychotic Drugs?
June 18, 2014
E. Fuller Torrey, MD
Psychiatric Times, Vol 31 No 6, Volume 31, Issue 6
“…For example, a study published in 1982 reported that when a group of patients with schizophrenia were each given 20 mg of fluphenazine, the difference between the highest and lowest blood level of the drug was 40-fold… “
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“….Saint Lukeās Hospital in the Eighteenth century, The Retreat at York and the Salpetriere in the Nineteenth, Chestnut LodgeĀ ..”
We’re going backwards – not forwards.
…But theres a lot of profit to be made out of Human Misery.
l_e_cox,
You could not have said it better:
“…As I understand it, he had a metabolic condition that prevents the Paxil from being broken down and excreted by the body, so it just kept building up…”
If such a condition is accepted and acknowledged – what should happen next?
I am very grateful to David Carmichael for taking on board this initiative. There seems to be a tremendous lack of awareness from Legislators. Prescribers and Consumers on this subject.
I attempted suicide several times and experienced years of neurological disability (in Southern Ireland) on Strong Psychiatric Drugs. I also suffered dreadful withdrawal Anxiety when I attempted to withdraw. But I ultimately found a psychological means of coping, and made full recovery as a result.
“…antidepressants, far from saving lives, actually INCREASE the odds of someone committing suicide….” Exactly.
I can’t see any reason to use these drugs other than to reduce and undermine.
A stressed person might take ‘antidepressants’ for relief, but if anything goes wrong they can easily end up a “long term psychiatric patient”.
Even if someone were “Severely Depressed” they would probably still be better off without ‘antidepressants’ – and experimenting with alternative means:-
“…i-feel-totally-seen-john-crace-on-how-guided-breathing-soothed-a-lifetime-of-anxiety..”
(copy and google).
…If this doesn’t work – theres plenty of other stuff that does.
I like the way you describe life, you are very funny.
Stay away from family, has to be good advice. It mightn’t sound like it – but it is.
I never suffered from Clinical depression even though I was prescribed Lithium and went quite high when I came off it. I survived the ‘highness’ without hospitalization as there was nowhere for me to go. I was a person in the community and on disability benefit.
I recovered my independence as a result of stopping psychiatric drugs slowly, and figuring out how to deal with my ‘head’, and what the Psychiatric drugs had done to my ‘head’.
Good Luck!
Hi Ryan, Great to hear your story. I like your sense of humour. Nice fotos towards the end as well!
Psychiatry, the Brain, etcetera..
People that Recover all more or less Recover the same way – they move away from Psychiatry (and Psychology) – and sort things out.
You’re definitely not too far away from the truth!
PTSD Illusion
It’s possible to demonstrate how PTSD operates and how to balance PTSD off, through a very simple Experiment.
For Example, States of Anxiety seem Very Real, but they eventually SOFTEN – if the ANXIETY is NOT engaged. When this happens the MIND comes back to Normal.
This phenomenon only needs to be experienced ONCE – to know that it is TRUE.
Described Brilliantly …:-
DISSOLVING THE PAIN-BODY: An excerpt from THE POWER OF NOW by Eckhart Tolle
(Google in the Heading – to get the text).
Yes, There seems to be a lot of support for systems that undermine and damage people.
“..If its hysterical – its historical…”
Thanks Frank,
“..Mental health nonsense is an obsession for some people, but not for all people..”
Theres no end to “Mental Health,” in the UK and Ireland – it just goes on and on.
Thank You Peter,
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/07/05/time-to-assume-that-health-research-is-fraudulent-until-proved-otherwise/
Brilliant, now we know that children and grown ups are being looked after by the Services (NOT)!
Thank You May-May
I am feeling much better, and I do appreciate your article.
As a youngster I was put on a Long acting Depot Injection which caused Suicidal Reaction and Disability.
After my ‘cold turkey’ experience, I requested oral medication and reduced these drugs carefully (over a number of years).
I also suffered from nearly Disabling Drug Withdrawal High Anxiety – but I found that I was eventually able to overcome this – through psychological means.
I’ve been off medications for many years now, and am quite happy.
(….with the same outcome)
Thomas Insel
“….I spent 13 years at [NIMH] pushing on the neuroscience and genetics of mental disorders, and when I look back . . I think $20 billion …”
1. Neuroleptics aka “Antiosychotics” have been around for 60 years BUT have only recently been defined as – (a) having withdrawal syndromes that can actually cause psychosis (b) being most effective at lower doses.
2. Neuroleptic/”Antipsychotic” Withdrawal Syndrome is a type of Chemically Induced PTSD Condition
(a) that can completely disable
(b) …BUT can be successfully accommodated with suitable non drug help.
Thank You May-May,
This is a fantastic informative article.
“…Antipsychotic…she said that I could stop taking it ācold turkeyā…”
Imagine a person has an ‘ingredient’ put inside their head for a period of time, that becomes part and parcel of the workings of their brain – and IT is suddenly removed ‘cold turkey’. ‘Something’ is likely to happen – isn’t it?
(I’ve experienced the same ‘medical’ approach myself).
Thank You Jonathan,
As soon as I saw NICE I was waiting for the “catch’.
I don’t go in for Mental Health, but I didn’t find a ‘way out’
all by myself. My ‘way out’ came from recognising ‘medication induced PTSD’ and getting beyond it. After that I was happy.
(If a person can survive ‘medication induced PTSD’ – then, there is not much ‘Catastrophy’ that they can’t Survive).
Recent very worthwhile UK Research, suggests ‘abrupt breakdown’ on psychiatric drug discontinuation to indicate Withdrawal Syndrome – not Relapse. How many so called “Schizophrenics” don’t breakdown abruptly on psychiatric drug discontinuation – I did so myself, several times.
I also, sometimes think the ambition of “The Mental Health Service” is to compromise as much of the population as possible.
I appreciate your article!
Thank You Tamara,
This is a very good description of what actually happens in Psychiatry. It’s a place of evil.
Thank You Richard
“…Everyone are useless eaters..”
It can be seen Right Now how Europe is losing ground – with inflation, recession and impending poverty – yet the World has never been Richer.
davecurtis314
If we already know that People can make full Recovery and return to productive life without Psychiatric Drug Dependency – then this surely is the way forward.
Irish Psychologist Dr Mike Watts, towards the end of his career, has produced a PHD on how people have successfully recovered (from so called
“Schizophrenia/BiPolar/Depression”) through Peer Support.
https://connachttribune.ie/highlighting-power-peer-support-mental-illness-recovery-300/
He discusses his own MH experience below.
https://youtu.be/YT2ecA6bJ1c
“…Not everyone buys this conspiracy theory. Others see the problem as ineffective treatment. ..”
“….and many of the people receiving medications do not take them . . . so the crisis of care is not just lack of access (to treatment), but lack of engagement [with treatment.]..”
Once a Professional begins to talk like this it is obvious that they have “sold out”. But maybe Thomas Insel feels that he has no choice. If he rocks the boat he can become a “reject” himself.
Psychiatry is only one part of population abuse.
The effect of the WAR in Ukraine will be to cause a Recession and a reduction in the standard of living in both Europe and Russia. Lots of People are not exactly needed and with information technology society can be easily controlled.
Steve
The shooters tend to be on “normal person” medication not “Severely Mentally Ill person” Medication. The shooters are generally Normal People that have gone Mad, NOT Severely Mentally Ill People that have gone MAD.
…And the Problem tends to be that the Prescribed DRUGS have driven them MAD.
Steve,
I don’t see any reason why it might stop with the “mentally ill”?
Thank You Bob,
You are right in everything you say about the disadvantages of drug dependent psychiatric treatment.
A person might nearly think that the idea behind Psychiatry was to control and thrash people. We are more or less heading in the Western World for about 30% of the population being somewhat Psychiatric. It can also be clearly seen in society, that all the wealth is going in one direction.
Recovering people through effective Peer Groups needn’t cost anything. I’ve seen lots of people completely recover very quickly in Peer Groups (and remain well).
Do you think this man here is making his story up?
https://youtu.be/YT2ecA6bJ1c
The same ‘Stress Management’ Advice is available in ‘Buddhism’, in ’12 Step Fellowship’, in generalised ‘Hinduism’ and from the ‘Stoics’.
Dear Jenifer,
Thank you this well written and credible article. My attitude towards the Mental Health System is that it is one of Legitimized Criminality. I think you will go far in your writing, and activism.
ATTENTION RESEARCHERS:
I attended a Stress Management Course at Covent Garden Central London, provided by the “Brahma Kumari Spiritual Organization” – some years ago.
The Brahma Kumari Lady said that when we believe we are upset about an incident or something happening to us – it is NOT the incident itself that upsets us but a previous incident from the PAST that has been triggered by the present day incident. And the way to deal with the upset is to come to terms with it.
Then the Lady said “..you see in a sense we are all Schizophrenics…” – this is TRUE because once the feelings are resolved – the incident is NO longer too important!
Applying this ‘Principle’ provided me with one of the means by which I came off the (below) medication – and regained my independance:-
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
(Copy and google the Heading for the Study)
It’s clear from this (above) study that it is nearly impossible even with access to other medications – to withdraw from this drug.
But this Approach is a very simple and straightforward Approach.
Desr Richard,
The medical model doesn’t work at all (at any level). The psychotherapeutic model could also, be described as a bit of a time waster.
I notice the Twelve Step Model seems to work very well for a lot of people, especially if they remain committed even after they gain a place in society.
The authors are getting completely lost in their own writings. I was a “chronic schizophrenic” until I stopped strong psychiatric drug treatment.
I was climbing the walls when I stopped strong psychiatric drugs but NO longer disabled.
Luckily I was able to find strategies to deal with my drug withdrawal distress, and remain in the real world.
Lots of Professionals going around in circles were NOT required.
I agree at least 90% with you, Joshua.
Countries are not run by voters they are run by corporations. The representative political parties work for the corporations they don’t work for the electorate. It’s not a question of “Capitalism” it’s a question of complete control.
“… We know perfectly well what causes depression, anxiety, paranoia, hallucinations, delusions, etc. These complaints are caused (not ātriggeredā) by abuse, trauma, loss, etc…”
Very well expressed.
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION …
ā¢ Ethical Approval was obtained for this study from Galway University Hospitals Research Ethics Committee
ā¢ Funding for this study was provided by the School of Medicine, NUI Galway
Theres more than a bit of Dr Shipman in the Fluphenazine Decanoate Depot Irish Suicides and this is something I can substantiate.
(Dr Harold Shipman (1946 – 2004) didn’t just kill vulnerable patients for Pleasure – he also killed them for Money).
Thank You Someone Else,
“Anticholinergic Toxidrome” is well recognised.
I notice also a number of Celebrities in the UK that have acknowledged taking antidepressants have developed Parkinsons Disease in Older Age.
Use of antidepressants and the risk of Parkinson’s disease: a prospective study:-
“…Our study shows that the risk of PD increases during the first two years of use of antidepressants, whether they are tricyclic antidepressants or SSRIs. The increased PD risk that follows initiation of antidepressants was greater among individuals with recent history of depression than among the others…”
I would imagine that there could be some anticholinergic influence involved here as well.
Thank You Andrew
“SUICIDE”
“…I donāt think we moved the needle in reducing suicide…”
My Disability and Suicide Attempts were caused by the drug (below) :
Suicide associated with akathisia and depot fluphenazine treatment
M K Shear Allen Frances et al. J Clin Psychopharmacol. 1983 Aug.
I asked for ADR Warning to be included in 1986, and strongly complained about this drug in 2012. The 1986 Requested Warnings though guaranteed were deliberately OMITTED by Doctors at Galway Ireland.
THE IMPACT OF FLUPHENAZINE DECANOATE DISCONTINUATION āA RETROSPECTIVE COHORT STUDY
NUI GALWAY 2021 (Copy and Google Heading to get Study)
Theres also NO Warning Whatsoever in the above Study of the present day Dangers of this Drug – though this drug has killed vulnerable people in Ireland over the years – Left, Right and Centre.
The Drug is out of Patent so if it was continued it would most likely be continued in the 3rd World.
My Experience of this drug is that it causes it’s own type of “Schizophrenia” through its Withdrawal Syndrome.
OPINION
The Authors I believe take it for granted that it’s okay to kill a certain amount of people with this drug and that prescribing doctors are better off not knowing about the dangers.
I don’t exactly know what “Schizophrenia” is as I have never had a breakdown. (I was poisoned in Amsterdam in 1980 and made Recovery in Ireland in 1984 as a result of stopping psychiatric drug treatment – which was a very difficult thing to do).
But, I believe people that hear voices can often develop tactics to quieten them, or they can alternatively learn to live with their voices.
I believe people that suffer from extreme anxiety can often learn to stand off their anxiety – and approach their problems without fear.
I also know that preoccupations and delusions, can often disappear of their own accord.
Irelands main export is pharmaceuticals – so we have a terrible Mental Health problem in the country, with Homicides and Familicides that are completely unexplainable.
It depends on what the doctor means by “recover and lead full lives.” The doctor represents the patient in MH!
Thank you very much doctor.
A person can successfully come off Psychiatric Drugs, but if they have had a breakdown what’s to stop them having a “breakdown” again.
Surely they need to put right whatever caused the “breakdown” to begin with – to avoid having another one.