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If it’s not up to standard – it’s a money making scheme.
“…In 2006, ÆSOP reported a ninefold increase in the risk of developing schizophrenia in black Caribbeans when compared with the white British population..”
It’s extremely difficult to withdraw from Neuroleptics, so Schizophrenia Diagnosis usually means Lifelong Psychiatric Disability.
Coming off Neuroleptics (with permission, abruptly ) I had 4 hospitalizations and a suicide attempt until I decided to taper very carefully and successfully from the drugs over a number of years.
“..Don’t take it as a defeat if you fail; just try again some other time. ..” Exactly!
Thank You again, Dr Gøtzsche
“…1. WARNING! Psychiatric drugs are addictive. Never stop them abruptly, because withdrawal reactions may consist of severe emotional and physical symptoms that can be dangerous and lead to suicide, violence, and homicide.6….”
Yes: “Rebounds” as a result of Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal – can be a lot more “Intense” than original “Problems”.
Thank You Lisa,
This story is really frightening but it will save lives.
I’m very sorry for what happened to your son Marcello and your family (in my case after some years things got better and then better again).
World wide theres probably an epidemic of Akathisia Deaths and Damage out there and this is what Big Pharma and its supporters are frightened of.
Page 1 NEAR FATAL MODECATE EXPERIENCE
Page 2 NEAR FATAL MODECATE EXPERIENCE
Identified by Dr Allen Frances and Others in 1983
Discontinued Circa 2015
If the Western World is compared to the Developing World it can be seen that most people aren’t really enduringly sick, and that they can get back on their feet again with a little help.
My heart goes out to Dannielle Attree. I tried to kill myself several times in Psychiatry, but never since leaving. Theres no point in us complaining about regimes in other countries if we torture and abuse innocent people in this country.
This is Eckhart Tolle discussing the “Pain Body” (of unconscious thought)….
…and how to deal with it.
Eckhart Tolle also attests that the ‘Power of the Now’ can be accessed ‘organically’ i.e. without the services of an ‘interpreter’.
Psychiatrist Dr David Hawkins: “Handling Major Crises” – Describes the same process in his own way:-
“…The apparent fact that most therapists have little or no idea how to accomplish this is a huge condemnation of the subject….” – Most therapists would have LITTLE OR NO IDEA of what you are just after explaining.
“…We must assume that figuring this out, and thereby really helping people, was not their major purpose in getting into the field of psychology. What, then, was?..” – Wasting Time, and getting paid for Wasting Time.
Thank You for your Wise Words Dr. Gøtzsche,
“…Most doctors, and psychiatrists are no exception, expose their patients to cold turkey withdrawal …”
It surprises me that most doctors are not aware after 60+ years of Neuroleptics, that these drugs have massive withdrawal problems; and that practically every so called “relapse” is NOT a ‘genuine relapse’ but a legitimate drug withdrawal “Rebound”. In my opinion this state of affairs should not be tolerated in a ‘Medicine’.
For me very slow neuroleptic withdrawal was best. At that rate I could recognise the weaknesses and take precautionary action.
Dr Peter Breggin (I believe) has described Neuroleptic Withdrawal Syndrome as a type of ‘Drug induced PTSD’. I believe that if people can successfully adapt to this Chemical ‘PTSD’ through effective psychological means – then this us where the Non Drug Cure for “Schizophrenia” lies.
I agree Someone Else,
Psychiatry seems to prolong the problem and make it a lot lot worse. Whereas what’s needed are decent solutions, and there are decent solutions available.
As far as Prozac goes:- The UK Health System is now pulling away from “antidepressants” due to what you describe above.
I don’t know what anyone elses experience is. But if I was to follow my automatic instincts when in distress my thinking would reinforce my anxiety and create “endless” circular anxiety
If I don’t engage my circular thinking my anxiety eventually runs out of steam – and then there is no anxiety. My mind comes into acceptance mode and I can look at the same problems, without distress and see what I can do about them.
So far this has worked for me.
I didn’t suffer a lot of Anxiety around Covid 19 – but I did (historically) suffer from “Tremendous Anxiety” when withdrawing from long term “Antipsychotic” Injections “suitable” for “Schizophrenia”- and this was when I found my relief.
We do have to deal with the burglars as well!
Thank You Madison,
How many times more likely is an American Black person to be “diagnosed” with “Schizophrenia” in the USA in comparison to an American White Person?
“….In 2006, ÆSOP reported a ninefold increase in the risk of developing schizophrenia in black Caribbeans when compared with the white British population….”
….non drug ways to overcome “Anxiety”.
Thank you Dr Gøtzsche,
It’s pure Kangaroo Court behaviour in Broad Daylight.
“….If the drugs prevent relapse, then stopping them could lead to a return of the experiences (such as anxiety or depression) that made the person seek them out in the first place..”
A lot of Depression is fuelled by Anxiety – and there are reasonable non drug ways to overcome “Anxiety”.
Thank you Peter.
I’ve seen the inflammation(/depression) idea circulating quite a bit and I was wondering what was in it.
From The British Psychological Society:-
“..The problems we think of as ‘psychosis’ – hearing voices, believing things that others find strange, or appearing out of touch with reality – can be understood in the same way as other psychological problems such as anxiety or shyness…”
In my own personal experience this is true – its not a theory. This is the way forward.
Lovely! Thank you Lauren.
Doctors in the UK are fiddling Records in Mental Health to hide situations where a person with “Diagnosis” – could be killed. The Documentary Evidence is Below:
It’s occurred to me that a lot of “depression”, is closely linked to “anxiety” (which most people experience, at one level or another).
My epipheny was that it was possible to do something about anxiety. Without this discovery, I would never have successfully withdrawn from “medication”.
MEDICAL DENIAL OF FULL RECOVERY – 30 YEARS AFTER FULL RECOVERY
To: Medical Newton (NHS CENTRAL LONDON (WESTMINSTER) CCG)
Sent: Friday, 16 November 2018, 00:42:07 GMT
Subject: Att. All Partners and Dr Baluch
In your Letter dated October 17 2018 – you seriously misrepresent me.
My trust in Newton Medical was broken in October of 2012 when (to my horror) I discovered my name had been on a Severe Mental Illness Register since 2002. At this time (2002) I had been working as a Building Subcontractor in the House of Parliament Buildings (and can substantiate this).
OCTOBER 8 2018 VISIT TO NEWTON MEDICAL. REGARDING HEALTH AND SAFETY ON BUILDING SITES
On October 8 2018 I explained (and showed ) to the Reception Manager and to Dr Baluch at Newton Medical, that at my last appointment on July 20 2016 Dr Simons had given me in writing a sheet of paper from the Appointment Notes stating that – “he could see no reason that I could NOT work on a Building Site” . While at the same time Dr Simons had provided me with another sheet of paper from a “Legal Adviser” (July 20 2016)
(which made reference to the historical 1986 Irish Record Summary) but also at the the bottom of the page stated – that I had a “Diagnosis of Schizophrenia…” and “had NOT DISPUTED this diagnosis..”.
I explained on October 8 2018 that I had shown and discussed both of these contradictory statements received in July 20 2016 with a Building Health and Safety Officer who advised me to get this contradictory situation resolved – as the medical suggestions could undermine my credibility, and could affect me in the event of an accident on a Building Site.
I have not suffered any disability in my 30 years in the UK; but Medical Claims of Present day Severe Mental Illness are invalidating. I presumed Newton Medical (promoting the disability) to be the first place to approach – this is why I called to the Surgery on October 8 2018.
When I clearly demonstrated the Malpractice properties of the 1986 Irish Record Summary to Dr Simons in two interviews in October/November 2012 – at the end of both of these interviews Dr Simons shirt was completely saturated and sticking to his body (he was genuinely traumatised).
But, there is no mention anywhere on my records of this Malpractice.
I made Full Recovery in 1984 as a Result of carefully tapering from the Modecate Depot Injection with the help of Practical Psychotherapy – and returned to normal life and independence.
Adverse Drug Reaction Warning Request Letter sent to Galway Nov. 8 1986
ADR Request ltr Pg 1
ADR Request ltr Pg 2
ADR Request Ltr Pg 3
The Irish Record Summary dated November 24 1986 was Sent To UK In Response:- but WITHOUT Requested ADR WARNING
Irish Record Summary Pg 1
Irish Record Summary Pg 2
Wellness Presentation at Galway in November 1980, according to Dr Fadel https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0zhbh8V4MBANjBTZEtkbjBhMkU/view?usp=drivesdk
Dr Donlon Kenny False Reasurrance Letter November 1986
Near Fatal Modecate Experience 1. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EY4XDLt04KgmCjg_5wXU-kbVezo_DxL4/view?usp=drivesdk
Near Fatal Modecate Experience Pg 2
Dr Allen Frances (DSM IV) 1983 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/16313058_Suicide_Associated_with_Akathisia_and_Depot_Fluphenazine_Treatment
“…Significant symptoms of akathisia occur in:
around 20% of people on an antidepressant.
at least 50% of people on an antipsychotic. On higher doses, this rises to 80% or more..”
“..Around half of people on antipsychotics develop the condition…”
“…..Neuro-psychologist Dennis Staker had drug-induced akathisia for two days. His description of his experience was this:
“..It was the worst feeling I have ever had in my entire life. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy…” ”
Drug induced Akathisia is medically acknowledged to cause suicide.
“Depot Antipsychotic Revisited Research Paper 1998” From Galway Psychiatrist Dr PA Carney.
About 4 out of 10 of the people on these drugs will attempt Suicide.
I notice that both Dr Simon Gordon and Dr Balucha are on the GP Commissioning Governing Board.
There is NO mention of Amsterdam on the UK side of my Mental Health Records.
Prior to returning to the UK at the end of the Summer of 1980, I had stayed for several months at this Address:-
Barndesteeg 21, 1012 BV Amsterdam, Netherlands
..where I had been socially acquainted with a Northern Irish Born Again Christian, who closely matches the description below..
..who had been concerned about a conversation we were supposed to have had, that I couldn’t place.
My experience of Neuroleptics is that they are more likely to cause Serious Mental Health Problems than to heal them.
I find your story very inspiring and I wish you a long and happy life off the meds.
Bio Psychiatry is probably the most Evil thing on this Planet.
Two cases of Familicide in the Irish News Website RTE – today
Mother pleads not guilty to murdering three children
Man accused of murdering wife, children to face trial
( With AKATHISIA Doctors are Deliberately Hiding the Information:
“…Patients who come to the Central Mental Hospital from the criminal courts have usually pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity, or NGRI for short. The most typical patient is a man suffering from schizophrenia who has stopped taking his medication and has killed a family member – often a parent….”
It’s well known Medically that people that come off Strong Psychiatric Drugs abruptly can go completely MAD – even if they were completely SANE to begin with.
Thank you Dr Peter for this contribution,
“…These principles have been known for decades and were explained in an instructive paper in Lancet Psychiatry on 5 March 2019 by Horowitz and Taylor…” – This has got to be true, but it’s a good service to have it recorded in Black and White.
This is why people in crisis should be helped by people with personal experience of crisis.
It’s also possible for people to regain calm through advice, without breaking confidentiality.
Dear Dr E Baden, thank you for writing this.
“…lays hold on weapons and wounds himself, in such ways that his family is obliged to keep watch on him. ..”
“…lays hold on weapons and wounds himself…” – but not anyone else.
Thank you for your service and for relating this story, Kathleen.
It is terrible the way veterans are being treated.
They are highly dependency forming. Have you ever heard of a drug that can drive a person mad (that was never mad before) as a result of stopping?
By biting it in 4! It bites easy!
Thank You Dr Peter,
I came off Neuroleptics very carefully, but like the person you mentioned – I didn’t come back ‘the same’. I suffered from Overwhelming Anxiety and would eventually have had to return to neuroleptics, if I hadn’t found ways of dealing with my ‘drug induced PTSD’.
I discovered through ‘trial and error’ that if I ‘sat with my feelings for long enough’ that they eventually subsided, and that my mental balance returned. This was a lot more difficult to do, than it sounds!
The ‘Psychotherapeutic’ Approach is described below:-
My original introduction to Psychiatry in 1980 was fairly ‘irregular’.
“….citing a medical report that the judge refused to let him see…”
A Medical Report in Mental Health can represent an impression of what a Clinic might like to promote. It’s not the same as a Medical Report in Normal Medicine that represents Factual information.
Nobody wipes a tear from their eye in peer groups when men (or women) share their most intimate tragedies – because this would be disrespectful. These groups are independent and self supporting, and know how to deal with the private reality of life.
Most ‘Professional Mental Health Support’ is now at a level of pure duplicity.
Any one telling tales in an independent Peer Group would be pointing the finger at themselves for attending the Peer group to begin with. So confidentiality is fairly secure.
Professionals generally speaking want to be in charge and want to get paid. Human Connecion and Mutuality is a completely different thing.
Thank you for this contribution Megan. About 2 hrs ago I was just thinking about how much “double speak” there is out there, and it always comes from those in Power!
Dr Gabor Maté is a very interesting person!
I’m very sorry to hear about your Pharmageddon.
I was prescribed 25mg per day (/night) (for “Schizophrenia”) of Seroquel in 2005 (which I cut to about 6mg per day). I stopped taking my 6mg per day same years later – and suffered from insomnia as a result, which I still have but can live with.
– You would have been prescribed over 100 times what I was taking.
The Seroquel at 6mg per night was also a Wonder Drug for me, until it began to give me ‘scary drops on my heart beat’; with the upper part of my body being ‘a soft pink and the rest of me pure white’ on awakening in the morning. This might be why Seroquel has a Black Box rating.
[The last Doctor I saw in 1984 reformulated my ‘Schizophrenia’ Opinion in 2018 to ‘Nothing’ ].
Good Morning Sam,
“Inclusion” was exactly what the Quakers offered.
Too true Willoweed,
In my case the University Hospital I had attended actively doctored my records – so that I could potentially be killed.
BBC News – ‘My doctor prescribed rambling for lockdown anxiety’
It seemed to work!
The ‘Neuroscientists ‘ are killing the vulnerable – just like Dr Shipman and Nurse Beverly Allitt were…
…but they’re getting away with it.
“….I began to warn strongly against the suicide risk of the pills…”
The logic I believe behind these “pills” is that they CAN cause suicide – but that they PREVENT more suicides.
I’m not so sure – because from my own experience I did request in writing that drugs I had taken be warned against and I described Akathisia fairly well in my historical letter – but doctors lied to me about my protection. And many years later present day doctors also covered up on behalf of these doctors.
My historical doctors had been promoting the drugs via Research papers even after I had warned them about the Suicidal risk.
Ultimately my ADR Warning Request letter had the University Hospital Stamp on it, My historical Record Summary minus any ADR Warning had the University Hospital Stamp on it. The Historical Doctors False Reassurance Letter had the University Hospital Stamp on it. And a subsequent 1998 Research Paper Recommending the Suicidal Drugs as reliable also had the University credentials attached to it.
The Suicidal Drugs (Fluphenazine) were eventually removed from the market (circa 2015) after 60 years usage due to “Reliability of Supply Problems”.
.. My Historical Records 1980 – 1984, had described me as a “Dreadful Schizophrenic” – but I recovered fully in 1984 as a result of STOPPING Fluphenazine – NOT as a result of taking Fluphenazine.
I second that, and this is your best book yet.
I bought the book this afternoon, on Kindle for £10.00 – it’s very organised and interesting and compulsively readable.
Everybody suffers from PTSD (to an extent) as a result of life experience. For some people their life experience is such, that it eventually kills them.
It’s also possible to suffer from a type of (potentially disabling) drug induced PTSD.
Eckhart Tolle (also featured by Oprah Winfrey) promotes solutions for PTSD through the observation of what he describes as the “Pain Body”. His technique does work, but it takes practice.
Eckhart Tolle:- Pain Body
Oprah Winfrey, is a fantastic humanity interviewer.
Dr Welby V Dr Shipman
If MH doctors are fiddling Records that could result in a patient being medically killed, and other doctors are covering this up (as below) –
– then is it not very possible that doctors are fiddling evidence in drug induced Suicide, Homicide, Familicide cases.
Thank you Willoweed,
Your reply makes sense.
It sounds like they can do whatever they want including killing and maiming their patients – I wonder why?
Is it because the industry already controls the Politicians (who won’t have jobs unless the industry supports them). And since most “MH” is paid for out of Public Funds – these Funds can pay for more and more invented “Mental Illness”.
At the moment in the UK 17% of adults are on “antidepressants” ; another percentage are on “Valiums”; some more are on unnecessary opiods; and more are on “antipsychotics” (on label and off label).
What about Straightforward Psychotherapy:-
Psychiatric drugs can drive someone mad enough to Kill themselves or someone else. Psychiatric Drugs can also suppress normal social caution, which can result in a person behaving in a way they would never normally behave in. These phenomenon are factual.
It’s useful to see this presented in Black and White.
The only thing Haloperidol can do is drive a person mad. It doesn’t surprise me that you recovered as a result of stopping ‘your medication’.
I hope I’m not wandering too far away from the subject:
“…There is no reliable evidence that the psychosis per se can damage the brain…”
I notice the heavy use of Anti Epileptic drugs is mentioned in this article. Are these drugs damaging to the brain?
“….- Create a closed system of thinking impervious to criticism, logic or evidence….”
This one resonates with me!
I think J Paul Getty said the above.
But if it’s acceptable practise for doctors to ‘Cover Akathisia Up’ in a patients records – then this would explain the mystery increase in Suicide/Familicide/Homicide at Ireland.
(…and why the Irish Medical Council avoided the subject when I brought it up with them).
I would imagine that a proportion of Akathisia deaths with genuine investigation would be reclassified as (medical) murder.
…just like a Restauranteur that kills a diner by guaranteeing the diner the absence of ingredients they are highly allergic too – knowing full well that the diner might be easily exposed to these ingredients.
If you owe the bank $10,000, YOU have a problem. If you owe the bank $10,000,000, the BANK has a problem.
I like the appropriate comparison to Criminality:-
“….judges are very authoritarian and always emphasize what other psychiatrists do in similar situations…” ” …If a bank defrauds its customers..”
Irelands largest export is Pharmaceuticals. Ireland has also over the years developed a high Suicide/Familicide/Homicide Rate, with the possibility of Akathisia rarely being mentioned.
My own Historical Irish MH Records were fiddled by Doctors at Ireland to hide Akathisia – with Present Day UK doctors attempting to cover this up.
Present Day UK doctors were attempting to promote the Historical Irish MH Records as Legitimate – while at the same time attempting to cover up the Dr Shipman Type Medical Fraud from Ireland.
“…the silly psychiatrist … She wanted to protect me. …” Are you sure?
I say a few Our Fathers and Hail Mary’s at Morning and Night – and it seems to work!
Thanks for this. The best Psychologists are those with experience of Life.
I don’t exactly know what Borderline Personality Disorder is, but I think its ‘not as serious’ as below:-
But you still might be in the wrong country.
“…Understanding Psychosis and Schizophrenia
The problems we think of as ‘psychosis’ – hearing voices, believing things that others find strange, or appearing out of touch with reality – can be understood in the same way as other psychological problems such as anxiety or shyness…”
If the British Psychologists are this Sure of themselves – then all the other Psychologists could be wasting their time.
My good luck was that I was able to come off the drug causing Akathisia (LAI injection), and go on another tablet type Drug that didn’t cause Akathisia (and reduce this drug carefully over the years).
I believe these researchers (below)..
..advise that it’s possible to reduce right down on Neuroleptics .
I remember telling my Psychiatrist that my problem was, not only that I was incapable of functioning, but that I was incapable of watching my favourite program on television in a normal sitting position.
I also had Acute Akathisia Episodes within which I could have easily killed myself.
STAY AWAY FROM PSYCHIATRY
I’ve been away from Psychiatry for a long time after nearly being killed several times in the process of leaving. My records (at Galway, Ireland, from the 1980s ) reflect near death experiences, with Medically Prescribed Abrupt Drug Withdrawal, and then success with my personal choice of a Slow Drug Taper:
Kings College London 2020:-
But theres a chunk of my Records Missing where I had discussed my reasons for requesting Drug Withdrawal i.e. the Psychiatric Drugs had been causing movement problems and disability – and my Psychiatrist had been blaming me for this.
Robert Whitaker describes Neuroleptic Drug Withdrawal as potentially having a “High Anxiety” Effect, and he says that it can depend on how a person copes with this “High Anxiety” that can determine whether they Break Free from Psychiatry (or Not).
I survived my Neuroleptic Drug Withdrawal through figuring out how my “High Anxiety” worked, and how to get around it. If I hadn’t figured this out, I wouldn’t have survived.
Psychiatrist (and Healer) Dr David R Hawkins describes similar to what works below:-
[We know that at least 50% of ‘Schizophrenia’ is genuinely misdiagnosed, anyway]
No, because Psychotherapy is about earning a living, and ‘Mental Health’ Recovery is Straightforward.
It’s the Elephant in the Living room. Its widely accepted that Psychiatric drugs can trigger disasters – but when they occur everyone looks out the window.
Thank You, First Class!
‘Antipsychotic’/Major Tranquilizer Disability is costing the UK a fortune.
Psychopathically Violent Psychiatrists
Burn Baby Burn
” …In line with these Mafia connotations, at the meeting Nem… approached one of the key people involved in my hiring and suggested they get rid of Hea… According to Nem… later, this individual wet his pants…”
You’ve got to have psychopathically violent tendencies to take this type of pleasure.
I see that the Covid Vaccines that can rarely produce Blood Clots are to be reserved for over 60 s.
I’m over 60 myself and this sounds like a good idea to me.
I’d wonder how much damage is going to be done in post Covid 19 by First World Psychologists, Psychiatrists and Social Workers.
Providing a person has enough to eat and a roof over their head and basic comfort and occupation – it’s reasonable to think that they might be happy, at least some of the time.
Thanks Bob and Peadar,
This is a great podcast!
I think as far as non first world high rates of ‘schizophrenic recovery’ go – these countries can’t afford a drug induced, psychiatric social work, disability payment structure.
So some people might not survive at all but the vast majority recover completely, or ‘breakdown’ from time to time and recover completely again – while having the same life expectancy as normal.
Africa was Africa before “Schizophrenia” appeared as an “illness”.
I can’t see electricity being good for the Brain.
We all know that Tranquillisers ‘work’ to a certain extent. But in the long run they ‘work’ through paralysis. Paralysed people can be co operative but are not ‘Well’.
There are other Non Drug Inexpensive Approaches that can be proven to work for Overwhelming Anxiety such as:-
From Psychiatrist and Mystic Dr David R Hawkins:- “Handling Major Crisis”
From Renowned Spiritual Adviser Eckhart Tolle: – “Dissolving The Pain Body”
It is Possible to make Recovery from Schizophrenia / Chronic Schizophrenia / Schizo Affective Disorder by Carefully Stopping Psychiatric Treatment (with Basic Suitable Psychotherapy).
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Members of the Irish Psychosis Research Network (IPRN)
Prof. Mary Cannon, Department of Psychiatry, RCSI
Mary Cannon is Professor of Psychiatric Epidemiology and Youth Mental Health in the Department of Psychiatry at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, Dublin. Her research area of interest is the study of early life risk factors for psychosis and other mental disorders. Her current research programme focuses on psychotic symptoms in childhood and adolescence which index risk for later mental illness and could provide a significant opportunity for prevention. She won a Doctor Award (Psychiatry) in 2013 from the Royal Academy of Medicine in Ireland and was listed on the Thompson Reuters Highly Cited Researcher list in 2014.
Keywords: epidemiology, developmental risk factors, neuroimaging, neurocognition, mixed methods
Dr. Ian Kelleher, Dept of Psychiatry RCSI.
Ian Kelleher is Research Lecturer in Neurological and Psychiatric disorders at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland. He completed his Medical degree at Trinity College Dublin and his PhD at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland. He is a Member of the College of Psychiatrists of Ireland. His research focuses on psychotic symptoms and disorders in children, adolescents and young adults.
Keywords: Epidemiology; Phenomenology; Neurocognition; Children and Adolescents
Prof. David Cotter, Department of Psychiatry, RCSI
My research interest is the neuropsychiatry of psychiatric disorders.
My first expertise and training was in the cytoarchitectural investigation of brain and the neuronal and glial cell populations within it, in schizophrenia, major depression and bipolar disorder. I was awarded two MRC clinical training fellowships in the UK to undertake this work. My main early contribution in this field has been the observation that there is a cortical glial cell deficit in the brains of subjects with major depression and schizophrenia. I have also been among the first to describe cortical neuronal size reductions in major depression and bipolar disorder.
Subsequently, supported by funding from the Welcome Trust through a University Award (2002-2006) and the HRB, SFI and NARSAD, I have pursued a Neuroproteomics Research Programme involving subjects with major psychiatric disorders. In collaboration with internationally recognised experts in proteomic research (Professor Mike Dunn and Dr Gerard Cagney) I have employed a variety of protein separation methods and used gel-based and non-gel based proteomic methods and published studies showing synaptic and mitochondrial changes in the brains of subjects with major psychiatric disorders.
I am currently funded as an HRB Clinician Scientist and as part of this work with my group to identify predictive plasma protein biomarkers schizophrenia. Subsequent HRB funding has allowed me to address this same question using metabolomic and lipidomic approaches. Work submitted for publication has now identified age 11 biomarkers of psychotic disorders at age 18.
My current focus is now extending beyond schizophrenia to the study of young people at risk of all mental disorders. The aim is that by identifying those at risk of mental disorders before they become unwell that future psychiatric illness can be prevented.
Keywords: Mental disorder, proteomics, synapse, inflammation
Dr. Edgar Lonergan, Department of Psychology-Cork Kerry Community Healthcare & RISE EIP Service
Edgar Lonergan is Principal Clinical Psychologist with HSE South, and Lead for Psychological Interventions in Psychosis with RISE (Early Intervention in Psychosis Service in Cork).
A graduate of NUI Galway, Edgar worked in a variety of clinical settings within the HSE before specialising in Early Intervention in Psychosis.
His research interest is the area of Neuropsychological functioning in First Episode Psychosis. His current research is focused on the use of the CANTAB neuropsychological assessment protocol to investigate changes in cognitive functioning and positive symptom change in psychosis.
Edgar is also chair of the Open Dialogue Group who are currently evaluating the use of an Open Dialogue approach with people experiencing a First Episode of Psychosis.
Prof. Kieran C Murphy, RCSI
A graduate of UCD, he moved to the UK in 1994 where he completed two research fellowships and obtained a PhD in psychiatric genetics at Cardiff University. In 1999, he moved to the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience, Kings College London as Senior Lecturer in Behavioural Genetics. He subsequently returned to Dublin in 2002 when he was appointed Professor & Chairman, Department of Psychiatry, Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland and Consultant Psychiatrist at Beaumont Hospital, Dublin. His research interests include the genetics of psychiatric disorders and the assessment and neurobiology of behavioural phenotypes in genetic and neuropsychiatric disorders with particular reference to 22q11 Deletion Syndrome. In addition to clinical interests in Liaison Psychiatry and Neuropsychiatry, he also runs a Behavioural Genetics clinic in Beaumont Hospital in association with the Department of Clinical Genetics at Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital, Crumlin.
Keywords: genetics; behavioural phenotypes; 22q11 Deletion Syndrome
Dr. Paddy Power, St Patrick’s hospital & TCD
Dr Paddy Power trained in adult psychiatry, initially in Ireland, then Australia, and completed training in child & adolescent psychiatry in London. He joined the Early Psychosis Prevention and Intervention Centre EPPIC in Melbourne in 1993 and in 1998 became its Deputy Medical Director. In 2000, he moved to the South London & Maudsley NHS Trust to establish an early intervention service called the Lambeth Early Onset (LEO) service. Three of its four teams were set up with development and research grants and incorporated randomised controlled trials as part of their evaluation. In March 2010, Dr Power moved to Dublin to establish a youth mental health service (18 – 25 year olds) at St. Patrick’s University Hospital.
Dr Power’s research and publications include epidemiology of psychosis, RCTs of antipsychotic medication, CBT and psychosocial interventions, suicide prevention interventions, youth mental health, effectiveness of mental health law, cannabis & psychosis, and health economic evaluations. Dr Power was R&D Lead for the Borough of Lambeth. He set up the London Early Intervention Research and Services Networks and co-hosted the 2006 IEPA meeting in Birmingham. He was chairperson of the (Youth Mental Health) SIG of ACAMH, Ireland and the Early Intervention Working Group of the College of Psychiatrists of Ireland. He is an executive member of the International Association of Youth Mental Health (IAYMH) and on the team that successfully bid for the forthcoming IAYMH conference in Dublin September 2017.
Keywords: Youth Mental Health; Early Intervention in Psychosis; Health Service evaluations
Dr. Simon McCarthy Jones, Department of Psychiatry, TCD.
Simon’s research focuses on the phenomenology of auditory verbal hallucinations (‘hearing voices’), the causes of this experience, the various meanings given to the experience and their historical background, and what can be done to support people distressed by this experience. My work on causation includes neuroimaging research, genetic research, and a focus on the role of traumatic life-events in the aetiology of this experience. My latest book on this topic, Can’t You Hear Them? The Science and Significance of Hearing Voices was published by Jessica Kingsley in April 2017.
Keywords: Hallucinations, neuroimaging, trauma, hermeneutics, history.
Prof. Paul Fearon, St Patrick’s Hospital & Department of Psychiatry, TCD.
Paul Fearon graduated in Medicine from University College Dublin, and after 5 years postgraduate training in general medicine, he specialised in psychiatry. He completed his training at the Maudsley Hospital, London and was a consultant general adult psychiatrist there for 7 years. As a senior lecturer at the Institute of Psychiatry in London, he headed the Section of Social Psychiatry and Epidemiology. He returned to Dublin to take up his post in St. Patricks Hospital and Trinity College Dublin in 2008 where he is Clinical Professor in Psychiatry, Deputy Medical Director and a General Adult Consultant Psychiatrist. He has published over 100 peer-reviewed papers, largely in the areas of the epidemiology and the role of socioenvironmental factors in schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.
Prof. Aiden Corvin, Department of Psychiatry, TCD.
More to follow…
Dr. Ken O’Reilly, Department of Psychiatry, TCD.
Ken holds a BSc. In psychology, and graduated with a Masters in Counselling Psychology in 2004 from Trinity College Dublin (TCD), and a Doctorate in Clinical Psychology from University College Dublin (UCD) in 2009. He is strongly influenced by the paradigms of evolutionary psychology, behavioral genetics, and cognitive psychology. In 2011, he took up a joint appointment with the Central Mental Hospital (CMH) and the Department of Psychiatry TCD, where he holds the position of assistant professor of clinical psychology. Achievements include: carrying out the first epidemiologically valid investigation of the level of cognitive impairment experienced by forensic patients with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder; demonstrating the importance of cognitive impairment for functional outcomes for forensic patients; exploring potential iatrogenic effects that medications may have on cognition and functional outcomes; conducting a randomized controlled trial of cognitive remediation for a national cohort of forensic patients involving fifty six sessions of therapy. In 2016 Ken and his collaborators won an open access research award from Irelands health service executive (HSE) within the category of mental health. Ken’s primary research interests involve critiquing, developing, and evaluating psychological treatments; treatment moderators such as cognitive impairment; and improving functional outcomes for forensic mental health patients; in addition to the training of clinicians and service evaluation. He has a particular interest, in the psychological motivations underpinning homicide and serious acts of violence.
Prof. Declan McLaughlin, Department of Psychiatry & St Patrick’s hospital, TCD.
Declan M McLoughlin PhD MRCPI MRCPsych FTCD is Research Professor of Psychiatry in St Patrick’s University Hospital and Trinity College Dublin, Ireland. He qualified from University College Dublin in 1986 and trained in general medicine and psychiatry in both Dublin and London. His research interests include electroconvulsive therapy and other brain stimulation techniques for neuropsychiatric disorders, treatment resistant depression, depressive psychosis, and molecular psychiatry. For more details see the Depression Neurobiology Research Group webpage. Recent projects are supported by the Health Research Board (Ireland) and NARSAD (USA).
Keywords: depression, electroconvulsive therapy, meta-analysis, clinical trials, molecular biomarkers
Prof. Ted Dinan, Department of Psychiatry, UCC.
Ted Dinan is Professor of Psychiatry and a Principal Investigator in the APC Microbiome Institute at University College Cork. He was previously Chair of Clinical Neurosciences and Professor of Psychological Medicine at St. Bartholomew’s Hospital, London. Prior to that, he was a Senior Lecturer in Psychiatry at Trinity College Dublin. He has worked in research laboratories on both sides of the Atlantic and has a PhD in Pharmacology from the University of London. He is a Fellow of the Royal Colleges of Physicians and Psychiatrists and a Fellow of the American College of Physicians. His main research interest is in the role of the gut microbiota in stress related disorders. He has also worked extensively on the regulation of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis. In 1995 was awarded the Melvin Ramsey Prize for research into the biology of stress. In 2019 he was ranked by Expertscape as the number 1 global expert on the microbiota. His current research is funded by Science Foundation Ireland, the Health Research Board and European Union FP7. He has published over 500 papers and numerous books on pharmacology and neurobiology. He is on the Editorial Boards of several journals.
Dr. Dara Cannon, Department of Anatomy & NICOG, NUI Galway
Dr Dara M Cannon(NUI Galway). Dara is an academic scientist at the National University of Ireland Galway specializing in research on bipolar disorder and psychosis using modern medical imaging techniques as well as teaching cadaveric and radiological neuroanatomy. She directs the Clinical Neuroimaging Laboratory with Professor Colm McDonald, Head of Psychiatry at UCHG and NUI Galway. She received her BSc in biochemistry and PhD in neuropsychopharmacology from UCD and specialized in in vivo medical imaging at the National Institutes of Mental Health, NIH in the USA. Currently, Dr Cannon leads a Health Research Board funded study to better understand the cholinergic contribution to bipolar disorder using MRI.
Keywords: neuroimaging, diffusion MRI, tractography, connectivity, network analysis
Prof. Gary Donohoe – School of Psychology & NICOG, NUI Galway
Gary Donohoe was appointed to the school of psychology as professor of psychology in July 2013. Following the completion of his Doctoral training in Clinical Psychology at Trinity College Dublin, Gary undertook a research fellowship in the TCD neuropsychiatric genetics research, where he earned a PhD in Cognitive Genomics and began the cognitive genomics lab. He was appointed an assistant professor in TCD’s school of medicine in 2006, and associate professor in 2009, where he was responsible for the school of medicine psychology program until 2013. Gary’s research focuses on understanding the genetic and neural basis of cognitive deficits associated with psychosis, and the development of therapeutic programs for overcoming these deficits. Gary continues to lead the Cognitive Genetics and Cognitive Therapy (CogGene) group, members of which are based between the school of psychology NUIG and TCD, where he holds the position of adjunct Professor in the school of medicine and principal investigator in the Trinity College Institute for Neuroscience. Gary also continues to be clinically active in mental health service delivery.
Prof. Colm McDonald – Depart of Psychiatry & NICOG, NUI Galway
Colm McDonald is Professor of Psychiatry at National University of Ireland, Galway, and Consultant Psychiatrist at Galway Roscommon Mental Health Services. He completed his basic clinical training in Dublin and then moved to the Institute of Psychiatry in London, where he completed his clinical and research training and received his PhD. He is Vice Dean of the NUIG Deanery for postgraduate basic specialist training in psychiatry, Director of the Clinical Neuroimaging Laboratory at NUI Galway and co-director of the Centre for Neuroimaging and Cognitive Genomics (NICOG).
His clinical research program focuses on investigating neurobiological and neuroimaging abnormalities associated with major psychotic and affective disorders, as well as health services research. His research projects have been supported by the Wellcome Trust, Medical Research Council, Health Research Board, Royal Society, National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression, Irish Research Council and Mental Health Commission. He has authored 200 original publications in peer reviewed journals.
Dr. Derek Morris – Dept of Biochemistry & NICOG, NUI Galway
Derek Morris graduated with a B.Sc. in Biotechnology from the National University of Ireland, Galway in 1998. In 2001, he completed his PhD in molecular genetics at the Department of Psychological Medicine, Cardiff University. He subsequently joined the Neuropsychiatric Genetics Research Group in TCD as a research fellow and was awarded a HRB Postdoctoral Career Development Research Fellowship in 2003. In 2006, Dr. Morris was appointed Lecturer in Molecular Psychiatry within the Dept. of Psychiatry in TCD and in 2013 moved to NUI Galway where he is now Lecturer in Biomedical Science.
Dr. Morris’ research interests are the development of novel methods for mapping genes for complex diseases and the application of high-throughput genomics technologies to the detection of risk genes for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. He has extensive experience of genome-wide association studies and using SFI funding, set up TrinSeq, the first next-generation sequencing lab in Ireland in 2008. He is currently President of the Irish Society of Human Genetics. His contribution to the Cognitive Genetics Group is study design and the management of bio-sample resources and genetics data used for ongoing studies.
Dr. Brian Hallahan – Dept of Psychiatry & NICOG, NUI Galway
Dr. Brian Hallahan is a senior lecturer in psychiatry at National University of Ireland, Galway and Consultant Psychiatrist, West Galway Mental Health Services. He completed his basic clinical training in Galway and then moved to Dublin. He engaged in research in Beaumont Hospital, which resulted in him attaining his MD degree. He subsequently worked in the Institute of Psychiatry in London focusing on neuroimaging research in Autism Spectrum Disorders and returned to Ireland to complete his higher training. Dr. Brian Hallahan worked as a consultant psychiatrist in the Roscommon Mental Health Services before commencing his present post in 2012.
Dr. Hallahan clinical research interests include structural neuroimaging of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and autism spectrum disorders.
Dr. Ciaran Mulholland – Dept of Psychiatry, Queen’s University Belfast
I am a consultant psychiatrist with the Northern Health and Social Care Trust in Northern Ireland and a Senior Lecturer in the Centre for Medical Education at The Queen’s University of Belfast. I am also a Visiting Professor to the Bamford Centre at the Faculty of Health and Life Sciences, School of Psychology, University of Ulster.
I am Clinical Co-lead for an innovative service for young people with “at risk mental states” in the Northern Trust-the “STEP” Service and Clinical Director of the Northern Ireland Psychological Trauma Regional Clinical Network. I am one of two Research Leads of the Northern Ireland Clinical Research Network Mental Health Special Interest Group.
I have a research interests in first episode psychosis and “At Risk Mental States”. I have a particular interest in the impact of childhood trauma on mental health outcomes in young adulthood. I am a Principle Investigator on the Northern Ireland First Episode Psychosis Study (NIFEPS). I have a particular clinical and research interest in the impact of violence in the local context of Northern Ireland on mental health outcomes.
Keywords: first episode psychosis; at risk mental states; psychological trauma
Dr. Ciaran Shannon – School of Psychology, Queen’s University Belfast
I am a Consultant Clinical Psychologist and Assistant Course Director for the D.Clin.Psych. at the School of Psychology in Queens University Belfast. I also work in the Northern Health and Social Care Trust. In this post I manage specialist mental health psychology services and I am currently developing, along with Prof Ciaran Mulholland, a colleague from the school of medicine, a service for young people at risk of psychosis, the first of its kind in Ireland. While I have a broad range of experience with clients with a variety of mental health problems, my clinical practice is primarily in the area of delivering Cognitive Behaviour Therapy for psychosis and for preventing psychosis.
I am also currently a member of editorial board of Psychosis: Psychological, Social And Integrative Approaches, and a member of Threshold’s professional practice committee (a mental health charity in Northern Ireland). I am past chair of ‘Rehability’ (another mental health charity in NI).My primary research interest lies in exploring the links between psychosis and traumatic experience and have published widely in this area. I am also developing a research programme focusing on how we can prevent psychosis developing in at risk young people. I am interested in the effects of trauma on mental health and functioning more generally and how we can intervene post-trauma to improve mental health. I have an interest in how mental health services should respond and what treatments should be provided to those who have experienced trauma and psychosis.
Keywords: psychosis; prevention; trauma; abuse.
Prof. Mary Clarke, Department of Psychiatry, UCD.
Professor Mary Clarke completed undergraduate medical training in University College Dublin. She trained in medicine and neurology and then in psychiatry. In 1998 she was awarded a two year research fellowship funded by the Stanley Medical Research Institute that allowed her to develop her interest in the clinical and epidemiological aspects of first episode psychosis. She was appointed as Consultant psychiatrist to St John of God hospital in 2001 where she specialized in substance misuse and psychosis. She took up the post of Clinical Lead of the DETECT early intervention service in psychosis service in 2011. She was appointed as Senior Lecturer in Psychiatry to UCD in 2008 and as Clinical Professor in 2014. Her research programmes focus on longitudinal studies of first episode psychosis and early intervention. She has an interest in developing interventions to improve outcome in psychosis. She is a fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists UK and the Royal College of Physicians in Ireland.
Keywords: Psychosis, epidemiology, outcome, recovery
Supported by RCSI
If the HVN is successful and independent then its hardly up to the psychological system (which is generally speaking unsuccessful) to analyse them or to have an opinion on them.
Thank You for writing this Sarah,
I like the shield activation.
I have experienced unsuccessful Psychiatric treatment myself.
There has to be some “collusion” from elected representatives.
To me the term “Psychosis” means – can I have some money.
Why are governments allowing pharmaceutical companies to damage and kill people?
This doesn’t surprise me.
Psychiatrist Dr David R Hawkins Explains the Process Better Than I Can:-
Theres got to be some collusion going on between “government” and “pharmaceuticals” for this nonsense to be happening. Theres got to be.
Hi are you sure? With this pandemic all the experts are talking about epidemics of Mental Illness. I don’t know if this will mean more talking therapy or more medication or both.
[Though, when I interact with family members in Ireland – they sound quite happy with their circumstances].
OFFICIAL PERMISSION TO KILL = NO EXCUSE
Supposing these Medical Killers were given Official Permission to kill and cover up, for the sake of ‘Industry’ (Ireland having a large stake in pharmaceuticals). Would the Medical Killing then be Okay?
No It wouldn’t. This has been tried and tested elsewhere following the 2nd World War. Doctors that murdered the Mentally Ill were Executed in the same way as those that killed the Jewish people the Communists and the Disabled.
I was happy to initially refuse Psychiatric Drugs and even though I came off Neuroleptics (aka Major Tranquillisers) responsibly, I still suffered from a type of nearly Disabling Anxiety (which I had never experienced before), that could have driven me back onto these drugs.
But I was able to get a Picture of how the anxiety ‘worked’ and to figure out ways of dealing with it. Eventually I overcame it, and at the same time learned to successfully live with more rational fears.
Historical Medically Psychopathic Behaviour from Ireland covered up by Present Day Doctors at London
KILLERS IN MEDICINE
“…In the third case, Charles Cullen, a hospital nurse, confessed to murdering as many as 40 patients over 16 years by injecting..”
NOVEMBER 24 1986 IRISH RECORD SUMMARY
This Record Summary Deliberately OMITS Requested Adverse Drug Reaction Warning concerning drugs (Fluphenazine Decanoate Depot Injections) that NEARLY KILLED me.
Adverse Drug Reaction Request ltr Pg 1
Adverse Drug Reaction Request ltr Pg 8
Adverse Drug Reaction Request Ltr Pg 9
ADVERSE DRUG REACTION WARNING REQUEST LETTER
Pages 8 and 9:-
“…I’m a bit worried that if I ever needed treatment that I might be put on long term depot injections against my will…
When I was on these injections I had very bad side effects… like extreme restlessness.., very unpredictable behaviour…,the worst feelings of my life….
Dr Carney..called it oversensitisation..
This is the thing that worries me most if I should ever in the future need treatment….
So if you made sure this was on my File at Galway and that they would know about it at the Central
Middlesex Hospital if I ever needed treatment…”
Irish Record Summary Pg 2
“…In the third case, Charles Cullen, a hospital nurse, confessed to murdering as many as 40 patients over 16 years by injecting them with overdoses of various medications.
According to some estimates, he may have been responsible for the deaths of over 400 patients…”
AKATHISIA: SUICIDE ASSOCIATED WITH DEPOT FLUPHENAZINE 1983
[There are Dead Bodies at Galway].
Whats promoted these days “in psychiatry” is more a type of sabotage of Buddhism, than Buddhism.
Was Jordan Peterson diagnosed as “Schizophrenic” during his crisis?
For most people this would be a complete disaster – but it doesn’t seem to stick to Jordan Peterson.
The same with ‘antidepressants’ and anti anxiety drugs – a lot of people taking these drugs are thought of as psychiatric patients whereas Dr Peterson maintains respectability.
It’s like MH is a Social Class type of thing!
I notice the term ‘Relapse’ is used in this Study for someone that enters ‘Crisis’ following abrupt ‘antipsychotic’ withdrawal. BUT if anyone exposed to “antipsychotics” for any length of time can be expected to enter ‘Crisis’ on abrupt drug withdrawal, then IMO the term ‘Rebound’ should be used.
It is amazing that it’s taken 70 years for ‘neuroscientists’ to figure out the basics of how Major Tranquillisers work, and I wonder if this would be acceptable in any other medicine. ..
…But at the same time I really admire the People that put this Research together.
Meditation can be conducive to happiness and its the kind of thing that can be practised at a gradual pace.
I believe solutions to a lot of lifes problems can be found through Buddhism – certainly problems like so called ‘schizophrenia’ and the withdrawal from strong psychiatric drugs.
Though, a friend over mine from the Sudan told me once that if the whole world was Muslim then it would be a fantastic place to live in.
We’ve got machines and technology that can nearly produce everything, so we don’t need to slave away in factories – just share everything out – and if the rich want more, they can have more. But I don’t think this is going to happen.
I notice people tend to shy away from the more frightening practices in “MH”, like treatment induced death and disability, but these need to be faced up to, so that situations can be improved.
Dr Peter, even though English isn’t your first language, you are easy to understand and compulsively readable. This book really gets the needed message across.
I’m not the least bit surprised.
I have everything I require right now – but there are things I don’t have that I would like!
Flower arranger, gardening might be too much like working for a living!
Coming off Neuroleptics (aka ‘antipsychotics’) carefully is one thing, but dealing with longterm withdrawal Anxiety is another thing. This Anxiety can drive a person back on the Drugs – but it is possible to learn to overcome it.
Established (‘withdrawal’) Peer groups tend to be very good at helping to deal with this type of anxiety, on the basis of members own personal experience.
4. Do you honestly believe a doctor might deny what happened, or change the written records?
Or that a Coroner might?
AKATHISIA = 1. Out of Character and.. 2. Extreme Behaviour 3. ..following the (a). Stopping (b). Starting (c). or Changing (dose of) a Psychiatric Drug (i.e. Neuroleptic/’Antidepressant’).
Is it possible to have ‘Schizophrenia’ without Anxiety?
They are completely different things!
Equanimity is a spiritual quality that a person works to attain.
Indifference is indifference!
But it is clear from the Examples in this Study that Exposure to “Antipsychotics” Causes “Schizophrenia” in Well People.
Quite a few people get left with Longterm Withdrawal Syndrome. It is possible to adapt to this but it is still a problem.
I agree with you.
The mooted Benefit of ‘Major Tranquillisers’ aka ‘Antipsychotics’ was that they created a ‘State of Indifference’.
In Buddhist Psychology a ‘State of Equanimity’ is considered to be the most Beneficial. A person can’t be genuinely anxious if they can see all outcomes as equal.
I know that this works because I’ve tried it.
I can’t understand why any psychologist would support “Schizophrenia” when the only people to recover, do so through “psychological” means.
This is very Good News.
As doctor Peter Gøtzsche has advised this week or last week; the so called “anti psychotics” are not “anti psychotic” they are Major Tranquilizers.
And the best way go come off a Tranquilizer is to come off it as slowly as possible. These drugs have been around for more than 60 years so this “ground breaking discovery” is late in the day – but still welcome.
The other side of things is the damage done by the drugs while in the system i.e. the creation of “High Anxiety”. Whether someone can cope with coming off these drugs or not, can be dependant on their ability to negotiate this “phenomenon”.
We know now from the different groups and treatments that have sprung up over the years that the “original distress” can be dealt with without Major Tranquillisation – to begin with.
So We Need To Stop AntiPsychoting People To Begin With.
Dr. Peter Gøtzsche seems also to be very positive about – (just normal) people helping each other when in crisis.
Thanks Dr Iva,
“…as a cog in the machine of productivity…”
If it’s possible for a self driving vehicle to drive itself from from Edinburgh to London successfully, then the day when a lot of human cogs become redundant should be close.
I believe technology has now probably become a lot more advanced than the example above, but is being deliberately slowed up – to keep people occupied.
My heart goes out to any akathisia sufferer. Jordan Peterson is a psychologist so a person might think that he would take another route.But this would be his own business.
I stopped taking my own Schizophrenic medications (because of Akathisia), and I made full recovery as a result.
If ‘Antidepressants’ Are a Fraud on the public; How do we know that BREXIT is NOT a Fraud on the Public?
[The Results were close to 50 : 50]
I Would like to Explain my above Comment with a Frightening Example from my own Life.
EYE CANCER DIAGNOSIS
Following vision problems in my left eye (in 2013), I was referred to an Opthalmologist who referred me to an Ocular Oncologist, who went on to Diagnose me with an Ocular Malignant Melanoma.
The Oncologist explained to me that if the cancer hadn’t already spread, that then there were treatments available. But that I might Lose my left eye, or suffer serious eye Damage as a result of the Treatments.
My Mind went into “Catastrophy” when I heard the News. I knew that if I was to engage with it, that I could go Mad. So I stayed out of my “Mind” for several weeks.
After several weeks my Mind returned to me. I wasn’t Happy with my situation, but I could Function. And I now had the Mental Balance to make my own reasonable choices.
Thank you Javier,
I was wondering when this subject would crop up on MIA because it seems to be getting more topical.
If it works it works, we’ll have to wait and see.
I was referring to the Epidemic of Diabetes type 2 (in the ‘normal’ population) independent of Psychiatry.
But without a shadow of a doubt, Neuroleptics cause uncontrollable weight gain and diabetes.
We lost a lot of knowledge of natural healing through the victimization and genocide of the “Witches”.
It’s nice to see you again.
The control drugs cause exactly what they are supposed to protect against ..
.. or this at least, is my experience.
I’m very sorry to hear about the death of Ivory McCuen.
Hi Dr Philip,
Psychiatry & Diabetes
Maybe Psychiatry is a form of population control indirectly supported by states. The reason I say this is because it seems to me that Psychiatry can get away with anything.
Besides Psychiatric drugs, the other big killer is “Obesity” which some doctors are convincingly blaming on official dietary recommendations to ‘consume more carbohydrate’.
Both of these Killer Epidemics seemed to have their origins in the early 1980s.
Apologies if I’m wandering a ‘wee bit’ off target!
SOLUTION TO “SCHIZOPHRENIA” ON ST PATRICKS DAY
Chronic Schizophrenia (4 years) with worsening Prognosis (repetitive hospitalizations, repetive suicide attempts, and longterm disabled)
NEUROLEPTIC INDUCED PTSD
Even careful Withdrawal from “Major Tranquilisers” can result in “Major Anxiety” or “Drug Induced PTSD”.
If PTSD exists it can show up in the present; sometimes as an exaggerated reaction to a present day problem.
The way I dealt with this, was to take the focus off Present Day Problems, and to direct focus instead on the Physical Feelings and Atmosphere surrounding the problems.
Full Recovery. This Approach had the effect of levelling out the underlying ‘Anxiety’, and bringing Present Day Problems into manageable proportion.
1984 – 2021 Longterm Recovered (no more suicide attempts, no more hospitalizations, and never disabled).
FINANCIAL BENEFIT 1984 – 2021
¹£65,000 per year × 37 years = £2,405,000 Sterling
¹The London LSE calculates Severe Mental Illness as costing £65,000 per sick Person per Year.
All of the above can be verified with documentary evidence.
[ORIGINAL “DIAGNOSIS” 1980]
“I guess when I’m in that place where I haven’t taken my meds (Sertraline) there’s a part of me that just [thinks] there’s no way out.
“It’s like there’s five doors in front of you and all of them have cement behind them…”
From My Own Experience without meds (modecate):-
If its possible to Scan the body and stay with the feelings until the feelings eventually go – then “five doors with cement behind them” – won’t seem so serious.
Thank You for your Articles Dr Peter,
It’s the Witch Finders Manual:-
“…I wondered how it was possible for Rasmus to believe in such nonsense. It is total baloney to postulate that a mania that occurs during treatment with a depression pill is a new disorder…”
Is it just the “mentally ill” that are mentally ill ?
What about all the other people?
I have a friend who practices Cognitive Behavioural Therapy and what he told me was that it was impossible for a person to be depressed unless they think depressing thoughts.
This friend of mine started therapy late in life and had suffered from depression and anxiety – but he appears consistently happy to me.
£65,000 +/per person/per year is what the London School of Economics estimates each Severely Mentally Ill person costs the UK.
£65,000 = $90,350
If the only “patients” that Completely Recover are the ones that abandon Psychiatry – then “patients” genuinely partnering up with Psychiatry mightn’t be the best idea.
I think Neoliberalism involves all the money and power going in one direction, and the public being fed a false idea of having control over their circumstances.
(I’m not sure about loneliness)
Thank You Someone Else,
When Dr Peter Gøtzsche described the diagnosis “Schizotypy” given to the Danish Film Maker, I thought it was a misspelling, so I looked it up on Wikipedia.
“…In psychology, schizotypy is a theoretical concept that posits a continuum of personality characteristics and experiences, ranging from normal dissociative, imaginative states to extreme states of mind related to psychosis, especially schizophrenia. ..”
Some of these psychiatrists are extremely good at expressing their positions but at the end of the day they can only offer tranquillisers and disability. If they leave, they have nowhere else to go.
Anxiety and Depression
I believe the two definitely go together. Anxiety says nothings going to work out, and depression says much the same.
Anxiety can be turned around with practice.
The people in power are in a position to interpret the situation any way they want – theres no justice.
The Tribunal is a gimmick.
Criticism of History & Diagnosis Formulation
You might be right Steve, but in my experience most aggressive
men tend to be a bit older.
If the drugs are no better than the “placebos” it must mean that they’re not worth anything – mustn’t it?
..especially the Psychiatric Drugs.
The “Elephant in The Living Room” is AKATHISIA and the Official Cover Up of AKATHISIA:-
Licence To Kill
They said I was the same as you but worse. I had initially been abused in hospital with over medication and after this I suffered from disabling drug side effects.
I had to reduce the drugs to overcome the side effects and eventually over the years the drugs disappeared. I didn’t think they would – but they did!
“.. Just about every Disabled person I know has encountered imposter syndrome at one point in their life…”
On my own introduction to psychiatry, I believed in problems a professional might help someone with, but I didn’t believe in Diagnoses, especially when most of the “patients” looked okay.
Further down the line when I tried to withdraw from Neuroleptics and was getting into serious trouble – I found myself believing in Diagnosis. But then I found effective non chemical solutions that worked for (non existent) “Schizophrenia”:-
Neuroleptic Withdrawal Syndrome has also been described as a type of Chemically Induced PTSD Syndrome.
When I was is in the Grips of this Chemically Induced PTSD I realised that it was important for me to experience this Horror as a physical condition. Because once this happened IT weakened – and I eventually came back to normal.
Hi Dana, the only people I’ve known with an “Autism” Diagnosis seem to be the exact opposite of what I’d imagine an “Autism” person to be.
If medical students disagree with doctors they can be in serious trouble. This would not be because the doctors are right, it would be because this is the ways doctors do things.
If People can recover themselves from “Schizophrenia” and Psychiatrists CAN’T – then the Recovered People need to be Followed – NOT Psychiatrists.
I’m sorry if the ABOVE seems Dramatic but I come from a background where people recover very quickly.
DRUG INDUCED PTSD
Trying to come off “medication” (even carefully) can can bring about THIS type of distress :-
Description on HOW to deal with it:-
Coming through this ONCE shows how it works.
“…He refers to the concept of the “pain-body”, which is an old emotional pain living inside of you. It may have accumulated from past traumatic experiences and sticks around because these painful experiences were not fully faced and accepted the moment they arose…”
Thank you Dr Peter,
ALL of the 6 Statements you have made are TRUE..
….and I can be PROVE it.
How about this blarney:-
https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/irish-study-finds-genetic-mutation-that-significantly-increases-risk-of-developing-schizophrenia-or-bipolar-disorder/#:~:text=Gaeilge-,Irish Study Finds Genetic Mutation that Significantly Increases,Developing Schizophrenia or Bipolar Disorder&text=Medical Scientists from Trinity College,disorder more than ten-fold.
“…the heavy-duty psychiatric drugs that truly were disabling them…” – Is 100 percent true.
“But every day I look into the eyes of a young person and see the spark come back; every time I witness them coming off the heavy-duty psychiatric drugs that truly were disabling them — it’s exhilarating.”
I would assume that if a person were able to successfully deal with “Antipsychotic” Withdrawal Syndrome, then they would be able to deal with “Schizophrenia”.
But if “Schizophrenia” isn’t a problem, then it doesn’t exist!
But what about the Mental Health Dangers to Society:-
Post-mortems on three brothers found dead in Cork:-
The Risk to Society is more likely in Psychiatric Drugs.
I never thought that nearly all psychologists were useless but I do now.
..Because none of them realistically challenge Schizophrenia; or have identified Neuroleptic Withdrawal Syndrome, or can usefully present strategies whereby a person can withdraw successfully from Neuroleptics and overcome the resultant and potentially disabling “High Anxiety”.
If they’re no good at any of this – then what Are they good for?
“….A series of semi-structured interviews of seven women, six of whom reported bipolar disorder diagnoses …”
A doctor friend of mine told me that people came to see him sometimes reporting their Bipolar to be “up” or “down”.
When he looks into it he finds that they’ve never been diagnosed as “Bipolar” or anything else; and there’s nothing wrong with them.
Some famous movie stars claim to be “BiPolar”, and some people “Self Diagnose” themselves as “BiPolar”.
My Experience is Described in the LINK below:-
I honestly thought Psychologists and Psychiatrists knew everything as well.
When I was attempting to recover from “Medication Induced Schizophrenia” as a young man, I was given a book called “Your Erroneous Zones” written by Psychologist Dr Wayne W Dyer. In this book Dr Dyer stated: that there was “no need to worry about anything”. I was going Mad with Worry at the time.
Eventually I found a way of dealing with my “High Anxiety” – through making appointments with my problems for later dates – while taking my feelings on board at the time.
The drugs IMO, had been silently causing my PTSD Type High Anxiety, by blocking my normal emotions while I consumed them, and making my system more sensitive.
I don’t worry about much now.
There are so many popstars maybe 35 per cent of them that have had some type of serious breakdown – we all know this – and recovered. So whats so special about Britney Spears?
I’d imagine that conservatorship (for anyone) could become a self fulfilling prophesy.
Thank You Bob,
Drink, Drugs, People and Violence
At least 50% of all Violent Crime is conducted by People while under the influence of Alcohol or Drugs.
Most people that successfully overcome serious drink and drug problems do so through Independent Selfsupporting Fellowships.
These (Non Medical) Fellowships (for those who attend regularly) – have a near enough 100% success rate.
(I believe Open Dialogue might have taken its original guidance from these groups).
“…I succeeded at getting lots of really cool papers published by cool scientists at fairly large costs—I think $20 billion—I don’t think we moved the needle in reducing suicide, reducing hospitalizations, improving recovery for the tens of millions of people who have a mental illness…”
MOVING THE NEEDLE
.. on Suicide, Hospitalizations and Genuine Recovery:-
Reduce “medication” Carefully Down to Nothing while Offering Inexpensive Adjustment Psychotherapy.
Can be proven to move the needle inexpensively!
For me it was a Bad Dream, but a lot of people Lost their Sanity, and their Lives on Fluphenazine.
I remember discussing my situation with my Psychiatrist in 1986:- I mentioned the problems I had with involuntary movements and Suicidal Reaction on Fluphenazine. My Psychiatrist was Apologetic and then made a statement that had me thinking that he was under the Influence of Alcohol.
He Stated:- that he could have had someone on 10 times what I was on, and that they wouldn’t have had my side effects. He then stated that he could have had someone on 25 or 30 times what I had been on and they wouldn’t have my side effects.
At our next appointment he told me he was taking a years Sabbatical to conduct Reseach in Canada:-
“…Without these foundational yet ill-proven assertions in place, there is little scientific basis for the idea of precision psychiatry…”
Theres little scientific basis for psychiatry if
– nobody recovers, as they don’t.
NON PRECISION PSYCHIATRY
“…For example, a study published in 1982 reported that when a group of patients with schizophrenia were each given 20 mg of fluphenazine, the difference between the highest and lowest blood level of the drug was 40-fold. Thus, a very low dose of an antipsychotic is sufficient to control the symptoms of many patients with schizophrenia, even if it does not produce full recovery, whereas other patients may require much higher doses to achieve the same effect….”
If you want to sleep soundly for 7hrs and wake up completely refreshed, one tiny 25mg tablet divided by 4 of Genuine Seroquel will probably do the trick. But you might wake up Dead!
(Seroquel can affect vital processes – this is why it has a black box warning).
I see what you mean, now.
(A lot of overall discussion on Neuroleptic Drug Withdrawal, as far as I can see – doesn’t seem to focus on remedies for “longterm withdrawal syndrome” which can determine success or failure).
I wondered why my GP had me revived as a Severely Mentally Ill Person (in 2012) 30 years after I had recovered:
I’m 60 years of age and to this day, have no Criminal Record in the UK or Ireland or anywhere else. At the Maudsley Hospital (in 1980) I was put under Psychiatrist Dr DC Mawson future Psychiatrist to Ronnie Kray https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kray_twins
Theres NO AMSTERDAM (where I had spent the preceding Summer months) on the UK side of my Records – and I believe this might be the reason why.
(Dr DC Mawson who I don’t recall ever meeting never mentioned “Schizophrenia” in his correspondance regarding me. But there was a strong emphasis on “street” drugs which I had consistently denied taking).
Very Well Expressed!
When I hear how Open Dialogue operates I can’t imagine it working. But its very well known that it does.
Birgitta Alakares passing is a big loss.
Thank You Dr Dhar and Professor Spandler.
Minimal Medication Approaches to “Schizophrenia”:
It took me 6 years (1984 to 1990) to cut from a disabling 25 mg Fluphenazine Decanoate Depot Injection Per Month (used for “Schizophrenia”) – to 25 mg Thioradazine per day (useful for hiccoughs).
Coming off Neuroleptics can leave a person with a type of potentially disabling Chemically Induced PTSD type Syndrome – this can be transformed (with difficulty) through focusing on ‘feelings’ instead of focusing on ‘thinking’.
Useful Advice From Eckhart Tolle:-
The Science is genuine, and if the books are interesting and well written they fulfill a need within society to be informed – as overall human life expectancy decreases in the Western World.
Well, according to my experience – the horror stories DO exist!
Depression as I see it, might be a condition of incapacity almost to the extent of paralysis. I’ve read that this can happen to a person and (if they experience it without medication)
they usually never experience it again.
I have taken tricyclic antidepressants on doctors recommendation, and these drugs had no MH effect on me whatsoever. Going on them, Being on them and Coming off them made no MH difference whatsoever to me.
But, I wasn’t depressed at the time, though I did experience periods of sadness or melancholy. I think the AntiDepressants were probably prescribed to me, to cover my Akathisia induced Suicidal Hospitalisations!
We need all of these books.
I did recover as a result of stopping “medication”.
“…A good case can be made that many of the difficulties he had in the 1980s stemmed from the medication he was put on for a possible Schizophrenia or Schizo Affective Disorder…”
From the last Psychiatrist I saw, in 2018.
My understanding of Dopamine Supersensitivity Syndrome – is that when a person withdraws from Neuroleptics they don’t necessarily come back the same:- I suffered from the Longterm Withdrawal Symptom of “High Anxiety”.
I believe Dr Peter Breggin describes this syndrome as a chemically created PTSD Type Syndrome.
This is Not The Full Story:- There is such a Thing as Dopamine Supersensitivity Syndrome – But There Are Also, Workable Solutions For Dopamine Supersensitivity Syndrome.
But is the average person under the same suspicious focus?
There are lots of “normal” people in the society I live in that might quickly resort to violence, that roam around freely.
” … London.. Infections down 90%…”
Jennifer, Thank You for putting this Article together.
I came off a (Disabling) Neuroleptic Depot Injection in 1984 through changing to tablet form “medication”, and tapering carefully from there. But I also suffered from terrible and nearly Disabling High Anxiety for many years after (1984).
I was able to accommodate the “High Anxiety” (that I had never suffered before from) through Practical Psychology. But if I hadn’t been able to cope with the “High Anxiety”, I would have had to return to Psychiatry as a “Relapsing Schizophrenic”.
For me, it wasn’t just about carefully withdrawing from the “Schizophrenic Medication” – it was about coping successfully with the long term effects of the “Medication”.
It’s also important to think about the language we choose to use:-
On my Comparatively Recent Medical Notes I can see entries like:-
1. “No new sign of hearing voices”,
2. “Eye contact normal”,
3. “No sign of neglect”
4. “Currently functioning”.
BUT in the 35 years that I’ve been in the UK:-
1. I have Never heard voices
2. My eye contact has Always been normal
3. I have Never suffered from neglect
4. And, I have Always functioned
In London (UK) the cases have supposed to have dropped by very large figures as well. So there must be “something” happening.
Doctors were executed in the 1940s for murdering less patients.
I believe Will Hall mentions in one of his articles the “involuntary treatment” he had at a particular hospital – which ended as soon as his insurance money ran out.
A Scientific Reality:-
“…The researchers explain that “relapse” of psychotic experiences after discontinuing antipsychotics, especially very soon after stopping the drug, is likely due to withdrawal effects. ..”
BBC Provides Example:-
“…He cites as an example the random murder of 67-year-old Bjorg Marie Skeisvoll Hereid in a graveyard in 2019 by a psychotic man with an axe. The murder shook the quiet town of Haugesund in the south-west of Norway and made national headlines…”
People need to be adequately warned about the Real Dangers of Stopping Neuroleptics Abrubtly, a line or two in the Patient Information Leaflet (as with Suicidal Reaction to SSRIs) – Would Not IMO, be Enough.
I wonder will the NHS pay for bottles of Irish Whiskey with a sprinkle of cinnamon added so that people can become more sociable after this Lockdown.
You’re a great writer, and I think this will be one of the Brilliant Books on the Outing of Medical Witchcraft.
Just seen on the BBC NEWS
BBC News – Now Norway is offering drug-free treatment to people with psychosis
..even after witnessing and being warned of the dangers
Thanks Dr Sami,
I’d never have believed Psychiatry caused disability.
It’s interesting what Dr Gabor Maté says about global “Schizophrenia” outcome rates on “Crazy Wise”
What about this Psychiatrist – if he goes to NSW will he have to go on medication?
I do believe the doctor.
I don’t personally believe that Psychiatric Drugs keep people safer.
I thought there was a theory that the Virus was created in a lab (through adjustment), and had found its way into the community.
My Psychiatrist was advertising Depot Fluphenazine ..
When people go crazy as a result of the chemical effects of Akathisia or Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal – their craziness is often a lot worse than any previous craziness.
My psychiatric drug withdrawal Anxiety was many times worse than any anxiety I had known before.
I attempted Suicide twice while taking Drugs suitable for “Schizophrenia” but never before taking Drugs suitable for Schizophrenia or since stopping Drugs suitable for “Schizophrenia”.
In Ireland in the Media we see reported “The Reality of What’s Happening in the Paragraph (below)” “Happening In Real Life” – again and again:
…..“I’m incredibly anxious and almost completely consumed by a sense of terrified foreboding or danger, even that feels physical, which I know doesn’t make any sense, but I don’t know how else to put it. I want to scream and shout and bang my head off the wall and stab myself and cry. Earlier, I considered going to the petrol station with a view to purchasing flammable liquid to set myself on fire. Extreme perhaps, but in a way I cannot explain, even the indescribable agony of burning seems preferable to the indescribable somethingness of this.”…
AND “NOBODY” SEEMS TO KNOW “WHATS GOING ON”……
Thank You Very Much James and Jill,
This Interview alone will save lives.
“…There are two sides to akathisia. One is an outer, visible restlessness that you can observe, but the other, much more important one, is an extraordinary state of terror inside a person.” Joseph Glenmullen, MD..” – EXACTLY.
The movements can be “stereotypical” – meaning that people attempting to get relief, can adopt recognisable movement patterns.
I could suppress my movements as well, but only for a short time (and most sufferers can).
It’s possible to see from my Records ….
…that the Professionals responsible for looking after me, were intentionally hiding a problem that could have killed me.
“….Most people with mental illness are far more likely to be victims rather than perpetrators of crime. The vast majority are not at all violent, and among those who are, risk factors for violence are the same as in the general population: young age, male gender, being single, poverty, and substance misuse…”
Irish Psychiatrist Brendan Kelly MD Phd
Suicidal/Homicidal “Schizophrenia” Drugs
Hi Jane, I like this article.
The honest truth is that I got better as a result of carefully coming off drugs suitable for “schizophrenia”,with the help of basic psychotherapy (“CBT”) . The basis of which I learned from a book.
I was officially medically labelled a genuine “write off” before I got better.
I don’t know. But once I took control of my own situation independant of Medically and Professionally Qualified People it wasn’t long before I was functioning.
These Drugs have been around for 70 years. IMO It’s easy enough to identify their characteristics. So why the big long Wait.
“..The most typical patient is a man suffering from schizophrenia who has stopped taking his medication and has killed a family member – often a parent…”
Findings from fairly recent research by Psychiatrist/Professor Sir Robin Murray would indicate that a person coming off drugs abruptly might become disturbed, but that this disturbance would not be genuine mental illness but the effects of drug withdrawal.
So where would this leave a person that comes off drugs abruptly and behaves violently as a result?
There are quite a few violent non mentally ill people out there that aren’t being forced to take medication.
If a ‘schizophrenic’ is going about their business normally and not taking “antipsychotics” – I wonder how they can be ‘schizophrenic’?
The 12 Step Movement is about forgiving – but not forgetting Evil behaviour.
I got away from Psychiatry, and suffered for years from the consequences of its treatments.
I see it as my responsibility to warn others about the dangers.
I was joyless and anxious for many years after withdrawing from psychiatric drugs, but it eventually turned the corner, and now I’m happy enough.
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This is What Really Works for “Schizophrenia”
(from “SelfHood”, by Dr Terry Lynch)
“…The following is an illustration of the importance of self-generated security to a strong sense of selfhood and mental wellness. I referred briefly to Stephen’s story in the chapter on self-generated security.
Prior to attending me in his late thirties, Stephen had been diagnosed five years previously as having paranoid schizophrenia. The level of loss of the components of selfhood, including the ability to make oneself feel safe, is at the extreme end of the scale in people diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia. He attended me to explore possible avenues of recovery.
I could see how Stephen was diagnosed as having paranoid schizophrenia. He saw threat and danger everywhere, when objectively there was none. Stephen’s level of selfhood was at rock bottom, and this was a fundamental underlying reason for his problems.
His paranoia was entirely understandable as seen from his perspective, given that one of his main experiences was that he constantly felt unsafe, unprotected and unable to generate any personal security for himself.
This was borne out in his second session with me. As I mentioned briefly in the section on self-generated security, ten minutes into the session, Stephen looked terrified, and I asked him why.
He replied ‘I’m not sure I can get out of this place alive’. There were only the two of us in my office, and nobody in the waiting room. Objectively, there was no threat to Stephen, but he genuinely felt terrified for his life. He described the raw terror he felt almost constantly.
I focused on enabling Stephen to progressively raise his level of selfhood. In particular, I worked with him on self-protection and self-generated security, because his lack of these dominated his life, the reason for his fear-filled thinking. I reassured him many times that in general he was much safer than he thought he was. We explored the various experiences of terror and paranoia in detail. Stephen gradually comprehended that he was indeed much safer within these situations than he had thought.
I explained to him that his terror-filled, paranoid thoughts were an outward projection of his inner fear and self-doubt. In public places, he would often have thoughts such as ‘they’re talking about me. I can tell by the way they are laughing that they are laughing at me’. Now, he realized that what he was feeling was more accurately expressed as ‘I feel extremely unsafe, insecure and unprotected right now. I feel terrified, and I’m scared that there could be threats to me here in this crowded place’.
This change in his understanding brought about a considerable shift. Previously, his thinking was preoccupied by the supposed threat that could lie around every corner. Now he was bringing his attention back to himself and what he was actually experiencing. Stephen was now aware of his own terror and inability to make himself feel safe, whereas previously he was not aware of this and instead was entirely focused on the dangers that lay waiting relentlessly for him everywhere.
As Stephen was now truly aware of the role he played in his paranoid thinking, we had something substantial to work on. I used every possible opportunity to discuss self-protection and self-generated security with him. We explored his experiences of paranoia in great detail as they occurred.
Our work became firmly grounded on what had actually happened within himself and his personal space in a given situation, rather than focusing on his projections into, and his assumptions about, others and the outside world. People experiencing paranoia also experience their thinking speeding up, reflecting their terror.
Thoughts keep coming, in an ever-more-frantic cascading sequence. The person creates an entire scenario in their minds based on their initial first thoughts. The initial thought may be somewhat based on reality. For example, a person across the bar happens to look in their direction.
The person runs with this, creating a complicated sequence of events in their minds, a fantasy created under the influence of immense terror and great lack of inner safety. In a matter of minutes, sometimes seconds, they become convinced that there is a sinister plot to harm them in some way. I used these experiences to get Stephen thinking about the accuracy of his interpretations of these episodes. I explained the futility and the dangers of attempting to read people’s minds, a habit that generally results in erroneous conclusions.
He began to experiment with these ideas in areas where it really mattered, in the real world. In public places, Stephen would remember our conversations, notice how he was feeling, and whether or not he was attempting to read the minds of others.
For example, when in a bar and a paranoid thought sequence was beginning to gather pace, he was able to stop for a minute, bring his attention back to himself. He could now connect with what was going on for him, look around him, and reassure himself that at this moment, he was not in any danger. In contrast, like a rabbit caught in headlights, Stephen would previously have become increasingly transfixed by an unfolding scenario outside of himself, that he was actually creating through outward projection of his feeling unsafe.
I had encouraged Stephen to see things as they were, to resist the temptation to read into people’s actions and gestures and create his own fictional version of events. His previous pattern of projection had being going on constantly for him, but at an unaware level. He did not realize that he was doing this himself.
For example, if a person looked at him and then looked left, he often concluded that this meant he was in trouble. If they turned their face to the right, it meant he would probably be okay, for now at least. Stephen believed that he was just tuning in to what was really out there in the world, but he was in fact creating this scenario himself.
I suggested to Stephen that he needed to separate out the other person’s action from the meaning that he (and not the other person) was placing on this action. I explained that he was relinquishing his power over himself to other people, most of whom neither wanted this power nor were aware that they were being dragged into this situation.
Stephen grasped these ideas and applied them in real-life situations, and in time he was able to extricate himself from his previous pattern of terror-based paranoid thinking. We explored methods of raising his level of self-protection and self-generated security.
These included repeatedly reminding himself that he lived within his personal space and boundary, that this was his space, that he was safe within this space, and that there was much he could do in any given situation to make himself safe. When feeling unsafe, he would appraise the situation, see things and people as they were and be aware that any meaning he attached to them was entirely his creation and had little or nothing to do with other people or the situation.
He reassured himself repeatedly every day that he was safe, that he could make himself safe and protect himself in any situation. When he experienced an episode of extreme fear or paranoia, he practised what we had done together many times in my office.
He separated what was really there from the story he had created, and then reassured himself several times that what he feared would happen had not actually come to pass. This practise had the desired effect.
His level of self-protection and self-generated security began to increase, slowly at first, then gathering pace. Stephen made considerable progress in raising his level of selfhood, of which, for him, self-protection and self-generated security were key factors.
Because he was doing well, his psychiatrist agreed to reduce his medication slightly, and I subsequently continued the process of gradually reducing Stephen’s medication.
Stephen has been off all schizophrenia medication for over three years. He lives a full life, goes where he likes, thrives in social situations, and has a level of selfhood higher that at any previous time in his life…”
Willoweed, $6,000 is a nice little bonus!
A few years ago London School of Economics Economist, Professor Martin Knapp calculated the UK cost of each Severely Mentally Ill Person to the Economy at £65,000 per person per year.
I wouldn’t mind getting £65,000 per year for looking after myself!
Anxiety is similar to post traumatic stress disorder, the dynamic can be very convincing.
A brilliant description of how to accommodate “high anxiety”, comes from Eckhart Tolle (below):-
(I learned how to cope with “Very High Anxiety” when I carefully tapered in the 1980s, from drugs suitable for “Schizophrenia”. So I know it’s possible for everyone to do this).
It’s a bit like forcing somebody to say the Rosary!
Thank you Sadie,
Of course it does, because any drug a person takes for ‘anxiety’, will always make the ‘anxiety’ worse (- in the long run).
There is a ‘get out clause’ for ‘Anxiety’. Anyone that doesn’t know this, will always be (a little bit) frightened.
Very true, Steve
Eckhart Tolle recommends focusing on the feelings when a person is ‘in a state’.
I did this a few days ago when I woke up full of ‘doom and gloom’. With difficulty – it worked for me.
If I tried to think my way out, I’d have gotten ‘locked in’.
They need to make their minds up. Ketamine is a street drug. Everybody knows it can be hamful. It doesn’t change because they call it something else.
Maybe it’s not as bad as pharmaceutical drugs – I don’t know.
People might say that feelings are not something to use drugs for – though there’s a natural tendency to comfort.
You don’t get many people boasting about being “Schizophrenic”!
Though I have friend a doctor whose told me he’s not bothered about what “schizophrenics” think about. So long as they feel okay – he’s happy.
If people are not okay then they can tell him and maybe he can help them.
He s told me he’s known people who have tried to come off ‘medication’ and weren’t successful. He said they can cut down quite a bit but not come off completely. Because then they can run into problems.
I told him, that the last little bit needs to be come off very carefully. But I don’t know if this registered!
Maybe increase it!
Thank You Bojana, this is an interesting article.
I’ve heard it said that in England people celebrate eccentrics but I don’t know if this is exactly true! I think it might depend on the eccentric!
Some Psychiatrists I have personally observed, have appeared to be quite odd themselves!
The above Irish Story is Absolutely Dreadful but it’s “Out in the Open” now, and at least theres a Hearing. Whereas the Psychiatric Drug Scandals are still all about “A Nod and a Wink”.
This Surge In Student Suicides is concerning.
Whether “antidepressants” have likely Caused Suicides or Not, might potentially be discerned:- through talking to the young people on these drugs that have unsuccessfully attempted suicide about exactly how they were feeling at the time.
(I know when I attempted Suicide it had nothing to do with “depression”. It was to do with an extreme fear, vulnerability, and restlessness that I had only experienced on Psychiatric Drugs i.e. Akathisia.
If I felt the same way again I would likely do the same again. For me these drugs were a real Risk.
Each time I had been Suicidal, or Attempted Suicide it had followed the Starting, the Stopping or the Dose Alteration, of a ‘psychiatric medication’).
The first time I heard the saying, “chemical imbalance”, was in 1980. I thought it was ridiculous!
Surely they could concoct something better than that!
Good point Oldhead, it wouldn’t surprise me if it was!
I had a friend who tried mindfulness breathing meditation and he told me he had a panic attack half way through the session.
I find mindfulness meditation very good – but it’s my kind of thing.
Philip, do you not think you’re being a bit hard on Dr Pies? (I’m being sarcastic!)
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I reckon theres probably quite a few people that had these drugs in the womb and don’t feel at all okay in the world, and can’t understand why.
I believe I’ve met people like this – who certainly did find a way out of the predicament.
Hi Sam, I second that. It’s a fantastic interview that explains what the ‘misunderstandings’ are.
I notice that the UK is probably the most advanced country in the World in turning the tables on the “chemical solution”, and has been for a while!
“Schizophrenia” is no longer guaranteed.
I believe “psychiatry” is in a sense going out of business, as there are less and less doctors interested in practising it!
Richard, “Killing For Profit” couldn’t be written about enough.
Theres a complete “Lockdown” in Medical, Pharmaceutical, Governmental swindling. The Pharmaceutical Industry practically controls even elected Governments.
“….But here is the uncomfortable conundrum. Wherever you find mental health services to have expanded with more people receiving what is considered to be mental health treatments (whether these are psychological or drugs) you find a parallel increase in the numbers who have been classed as disabled due to a mental health disorder…”
My psychiatrists main problem with me, when I was a young man, was my inability to work. He told me that if I could hold down a job for 3 months he would take me off all “medications”.
When I challenged him on the side effects of the “medication”(involuntary movements), and he tried to do something about this, but was unable – he offered to take me off the Modecate injection completely.
When I came off the modecate depot injection, I had several hospitalizations, a suicide attempt, and a near suicide attempt.
I then put myself on a Longterm Drug Taper with Oral “medication” (and discovered how to manage the psychological withdrawal problems).
…And I was no longer Disabled.
When the Richest People in the world want to stop drinking they go to Anonymous Peer Fellowships.
The reason they do this is because the Peer Fellowships are the most successful.
The Fellowships are successful, because they contain people with longterm successful experience of substance withdrawal.
Also, peers can back a person up (24 hrs) when medical people are not available.
I don’t believe in Mental Illness.
“…There is no other medical specialty like psychiatry where its theoretical underpinnings result in patients dying over 20 years earlier than the national average, for “disorders” like schizophrenia, bipolar, and ADHD that themselves present no fatal biological disease! ….”
“…..A good case can be made that many of the difficulties he had in the 1980s stemmed from the medication he was put on for a possible schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder. ..”
From one of the last Doctors to see me in the 1980s.
Thank you Dr Timimi,
“…Diagnoses in psychiatry are not diagnoses..”
After 65 years of Neuroleptics (and “Longterm Schizophrenia”) researchers like Professor Robin Murray are now “promoting an idea” that it’s possible to carefully withdraw from Neuroleptics and improve as a result.
Professor Robin Murray also “promotes an idea” that when a person comes off drugs quickly and goes mad – it’s the original presence of the drugs, that is more than likely causing the madness.
Even though It took me 6 years to go from 25mg of Modecate per month to 25mg of Mellaril per day. Anxiety was still a big thing with me. But thankfully I was able to find ways of dealing with it.
Twelve step fellowship supports an idea of “acceptance being the key” – “acceptance in terms of Equanamity” for me is definitely the key.
I was at a 12 step meeting last night and some people present related their experience of being raised on disadvantaged London council estates. They said their neighbour’s might be Drug Dealers or Bank Robbers – but the “Nutters” were the ones everyone was really frightened of.
But since most “Nutters” come off their drugs abruptly without the advice they should be given, then they cannot be held responsible for going mad. I went mad several times when I attempted to stop taking drugs abruptly, with medical support. I had to completely abandon the medical approach to recover.
Trick or Treat
“…A coalition of health bodies wrote to the Government urging it to update legislation to ensure medical workers do not feel ‘vulnerable to the risk of prosecution for unlawful killing’ when treating coronavirus patients ‘in circumstances beyond their control…”. Todays Daily Mail
Health Minister Matt Hancock says:
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Please find attached:
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I talked to you this morning about my concerns regarding the possibility that I had been exposed to asbestos while working on ceilings before and after Christmas at XXX.
This morning at your office you provided me with a large folder from which I had difficulty finding information. I was then provided with an emailed Asbestos Survey which you suggested might be more helpful.
I’ve since looked through the (emailed) Asbestos Survey and I don’t see any relevant samples taken from ceilings in rooms XX (XXX Room) and XX (XXX Room) (as you call them). But I do see photos towards the end of the Survey of ceilings with textured covering all identified as containing Asbestos.
I’m still concerned, as this Survey does not reassure me.
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The survey is carried out by professional company, and they only take sample of material they suspect to contain ACM. So the 2 rooms in question did not have any material which required testing, so would not be logged to have samples taken and analysed.
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12 Jan at 09:37
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We also had the XXX surveyor on site yesterday as he is preparing the final report of the removal of all asbestos for information for the O&M manual for the XXX.
I showed him the two rooms and the ‘suspect’ materials you showed in your photos. He had no concerns that these were ACMs. He is a very experienced surveyor, and he carried out the initial survey – they only test or sample substances they deem necessary. The R&D survey was full and complete and all asbestos containing materials present were removed apart from in some underground duct areas, the basement and the 12 main xxxxrooms which have been encapsulated by over-boarding.
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Thank you Dr Timimi
“…Anything that offers success in our unjust society without trying to change it is not revolutionary..”
Most people I know are at the same economic or social level as I am, some of them work for a living and some of them don’t. If I can be at peace with my “internal situations” I can be happy and focus on my external situations.
Some people might be externally harassed all the time and anyone could end up like this; but a lot of other people aren’t, and can improve the quality of their lives from inside themselves.
The most successful psychotherapy I know of, comes from the completely free 12 Step Movement; which has a lot of internal change attached to it.
I think, this late but eventual acknowledgement from ‘Horowitz, Murray, and Taylor’ is also extremely important
That it is possible to come off “antipsychotics” (and make recovery as a result) – but that coming off them abruptly can drive a person MAD.
It’s difficult to rely on people if everything is subterfuge! But it’s always been like this!
Dr Wayne W Dyer said ‘Alcoholics Anonymous is where Jesus walks on Earth’. In my opinion Akathisia is where Hell exists on Earth.
The experience of Akathisia cannot be described.
‘Depression Delusion’ by Dr Terry Lynch was one of the best books I ever read. It was available on Amazon at a very reasonable price, and was ‘electric’ all the way through.
IMO the 1 percent of people at the top need good looking servants to look after them and other professionals to do their bidding and thats about it!
85 percent of the work people do, could be reorganised and automated – this work is preserved to keep people occupied.
It sounds like they want to have their cake and eat it!
Thank you for writing this credible account about your experience. I’m very sorry for your suffering, it was dreadful.
I used to think “Psychiatrists” were doctors that could be trusted.
I notice when children are out and about with their parents they often appear happy and good natured, but when they’re mixing with other children in a school setting they often appear small and weak.
Even in the aftermath of the “Haiti disaster” (years ago) the ‘poor’ Haiti child on television looked healthier (to me) than the average ‘European’ school child.
The basic needs in education are the 3 rs: Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic. After this anything else that’s needed can be self acquired.
Dr Timimi, this chapter is brilliant and very true.
I don’t personally believe that most people become rich through hard work, I believe that most people become rich through being connected.
When I was at school in the1970s in Ireland the French teacher (in her twenties) encouraged a very boisterous class. There was one particular boy who was extremely boisterous and I wouldn’t repeat (even now) some of the jokes he made in the class (and got away with).
I bumped into him again years ago, in a bar in Ireland. He was drinking beer and he was a lot bigger. He was very friendly and he told me he was living in New York and working in the Bronx as a teacher.
People also seem to be able to come off drugs like cannabis without too much difficulty. But attempting to come off psychiatric drugs can lead to all types of disasters.
If you look at all the people that Genuinely Recover from “terrible Psychiatric Illnesses” on this website – they all
Recover through abandoning Psychiatry.
Major Tranquillisers are very disabling. How does a person come off them?
Through very careful drug taper and the application of effective psychological techniques to deal with the High Anxiety the process causes.
Where can effective anti anxiety techniques be found?
From Books. From the Internet.
From Buddhist Temples
From Personal Stories
From personal observation.
From Self Help Groups.
What works for Normal Anxiety – works for Extreme Anxiety.
Most people can identify with “Emotional Reasoning” or “Catastrophisation” – getting stuck on a problem inside in the head, and not being able to work it out, or to put it down.
On withdrawal from strong psychiatric drugs “Emotional Reasoning” can take over.
Straightforward Psychotherapy would be about learning how to put a problem down, until the head levels off, and the problem becomes manageable.
What More Do You Want:-
“Schizophrenia” (which I don’t believe in) is the Big Psychiatric Diagnosis.
I was treated in the Famous Maudsley Hospital 1980, Kings College, London and the Ground Breaking Research NUIG (Regional)
Hospital Ireland 1980/1.
I recovered as a result of responsibly stopping treatment and straightforward Psychotherapy (and have remained well for the past 36 years).
Heavy alcohol use and heavy cocaine use can be linked to “funny thinking” as well as can too much McDonalds.
Heavy Cannabis use might be linked to Cannabis “funny thinking”. But this is NOT “Schizophrenia” its Cannabis “funny thinking”.
The vast majority of “doctors” in “Mental Health” (from what I can see) are doing more harm than good (through ignorance); with most “doctors” in other medicines supporting them.
Major Tranquillisers AKA “Antipsychotics” don’t show any efficacy either. “Antipsychotics” disable people and disable everything else belonging to them.
“…The origins of the dominant mental health care paradigm of the antidepressant era were identified in multiple forms: fraudulent promotion, biased education by drug companies, captured regulators, institutional ideologies, ghost-written clinical practice guidelines, poor quality product information and drug approval procedures that ensured neither safety nor efficacy….”
A Semantic Quibble? He’s telling lies!
I would imagine, what you have in Toronto is a large anonymous city and “patients in the community” with diagnoses like “Schizophrenia”.
I don’t think Ireland has any law forcing people to take medication outside of hospital; and I’ve often remarked on how in the 1980s it was very uncommon for anyone in crisis to meet police. But at that time everyone (to a certain extent) knew everyone and staff were very diplomatic.
All my hospitalizations bar the first at Ireland, were voluntary – and I made recovery as a result of carefully reducing medication and eventually stopping.
But I also noticed the very high dependency in Ireland (among young men) – on long term injections that eventually turn everyone who takes them into psychiatric patients.
I’m 60 now and most of the “young male patients” I knew in the 1980s have been dead for a long time.
Actually, a lot of the work can now be done by IT and robots. The only reason we need to work is to keep us busy!
“Medication” didn’t work for me.
I remember being amazed when this famous “Psychiatrist”
died prematurely in 2007.
In this recent Biography…
Brendan Kelly & Muiris Houston
“Psychiatrist in the Chair The Official Biography of Anthony Clare”
4.0 out of 5 stars (13)
…its claimed Dr Anthony Clare (towards the end) had suffered from “Depression”. I wonder if “medications” might have caused his heart attack at 64 years of age.
(As I got older myself I had to stop taking even minuscule “medication”, because of the heart rhythm problems the “medication” was causing).
The “Antipsychotics” have nearly killed me a few times.
I’d imagine in the UK that the emergency services cannot deal with the amount of people in distress begging for help; and I wonder why, at the same time, doctors put so much emphasis on minor indisgressions of “well” people. It’s a conundrum.
Beautiful article Karin,
These labels are too much trouble (I think)!
11.35 minutes into this clip a man speaks in a straightforward tone of his daughter being safe, but his son being still trapped in the rubble (while bodies are being removed).
Politicians today, talking about other peoples tragedies often wipe a tear from their eyes.
I agree completely.
Thank You Dana for your Informative Article, I’m very interested in the airing of this subject.
James, Is the Council of Evidence based Psychiatry limited to ‘Professionals’?
Dr Timimi (correction of Above)
Tranquillisers will always fail over time:-
“…Seeman, in his studies of drug-induced dopamine supersensitivity, concluded in 2007 that this was why antipsychotics fail over time….”
I know a chap in London who gets a decent rate for being “mentally ill”, he’s prescribed medication which he can take or not take – and the doctor is happy as well!
As someone thats successfully withdrawn from Neuroleptic Depot Injections and made Longterm Recovery as a result (and can substantiate this), can I become active in the Council and attend your Meetings?
For me Recovery from “Schizophrenia” involved coming off the strong psychiatric drugs very carefully; and learning how to deal with the “High Anxiety”, the exposure to these drugs had caused!
That’s my experience!
When I came back to London in 1986 the ‘Irish Social Worker’ I had seen in 1980 asked me if I still took drugs, and I told him I did take a little prescribed medication; he shook his head and said “no, I mean street drugs”.
He was 100% convinced I had been under the influence of illicit substance when I visited him in 1980. “Schizophrenia” had not at all been on his Radar.
We all know that attacking “witches” in the “middle ages” was ignorant and wrong, but it seems the same thing is going on today and “everyone” accepts it, and its “legally” promoted.
(In the Middle Ages the Witchfinders even had a Special Book they could refer to to prove that the person really was a Witch).
If there’s ‘no such thing’ as Autism then where do the Doctors promoting Autism go? They have no ‘skills’ in any other area.
I wouldn’t (myself) argue with the term Dual Diagnosis, but I would argue with Psychologists mixing themselves up with peer groups.
The Hearing Voices “peer” groups in London are all run by “officials” and are mostly only open during normal working hours. In whose benefit is this?
One thing that people that take “medication” often recognize is – that when they try to stop taking the “medication” they immediately run into trouble. But this phenomenon can now be scientifically explained :-
The only requirement for membership to the AA (as far as I know) – is a desire to stop drinking.
What I noticed in the Maudsley Hospital in London in 1980 was that it was full of young people who looked like they had nothing wrong with them, describing themselves as “Schizophrenic” and “Manic Depressive”.
I could do without medication in 1980. But when I tried to come off medication in 1983, I found myself running into serious trouble:-
Up to $7,000 per month equalling (up to) $84,000 per year – Who Pays??
I thought it was common knowledge that ‘antipsychotics’ often ‘masked’ the symptoms of Tardive Dyskinesia until the drug was withdrawn. Do the new “TD drugs” operate in the same way?
I notice a lot of focus on loneliness these days and it’s a bit like when famous people claim to be BiPolar. The famous people are lovable for having it but an ordinary person might be inferior.
“…While social isolation is a physical and social reality, it does not necessitate that the experience of loneliness ensues….” This is true.
“…The state of agitation that sudden or too-fast withdrawal of the stimulant can induce will look like the “ADHD” coming back with a vengeance, convincing all, including the doctors—few of whom seem to understand the above process—that the child really does need the amphetamine for more “normal” functioning…”
The researchers explain that “relapse” of psychotic experiences after discontinuing antipsychotics, especially very soon after stopping the drug, is likely due to withdrawal effects. One strong piece of evidence for this is that people who don’t have psychotic experiences but who are given antipsychotics for other, unrelated conditions (like nausea or lactation problems) sometimes end up experiencing psychosis after stopping the drugs…”
Most people “relapse” when they “stop” taking “their medication”.
Are these drugs likely to cause Tardive Dyskinesia, or make Tardive Dyskinesia worse in the long run?
Great comment, registeredforthissite.
Baby Deaths Tragedy
Is it possible that ‘legitimate’ medical practice has been the problem here.
Thank you Dr Tamimi,
You explain things very well.
Thank you for this Article,
“…Throughout these writings, she has challenged many assertions of mainstream psychiatry, often to the annoyance of leading figures in the field…”
I can identify!
This is very good information!
It would mean that Black People were NOT 10 times more likely to be diagnosed “Schizophrenic” as white people.
“….In 2006, ÆSOP reported a ninefold increase in the risk of developing schizophrenia in black Caribbeans when compared with the white British population:….”
But “Mental Health Care” (IMO) is a load of Bo**ocks, anyway!
“…..indeed probably most of modern medicine is manufactured and shaped and spun by experts….”
If you factor for, infant mortality infectious disease, and accidents you would probably find life expectancy to be better among basic people, 100 years ago, than it is now.
Using the Internet to provide what people need!
Thank you Dr Emaline, I hope I’m not too far off topic.
When I came off Drugs “suitable for Schizophrenia” I still had to learn how to cope with the Disabling Anxiety the exposure to the drugs had caused*.
I learned to cope with the Disabling Anxiety in the same way as someone might learn to cope with Normal Anxiety. So I think “Schizophrenia” might be considered a condition of “Disabling Anxiety” – that easily falls within the scope of human assistance.
When Psychologist Rufus May Phd ..
..advises “Schizophrenics” in distress – his advice is often very simple and straightforward (but maybe not obvious to the distressed person at the time).
When medical doctor and Psychotherapist, Dr Terry Lynch brings a terminal “Schizophrenic” “back to life”, he cheerfully helps the person to gradually build themselves up with tasks, to demonstrate their real ability to them.
*I initially refused strong Psychiatric Drugs (and remained non functional for the years I consumed them, costing the Irish taxpayer a Lot of Money).
“…Walden who lost a son to opioids . . “. They killed lots and lots of people; but if they go to prison – who else might eventually go to prison?
Medically Psychopathic Behaviour
“….An inquest in 2018 ruled that the use of olanzapine was appropriate …”
What the Inquest says is “..if necessary a doctor can kill a patient in MH..”
This is a case that Doctors have been ‘found out’ in, but the reality could be – that they regularly Kill within ‘Mental Health’, and consider it to be their right to do so.
I have presented my own experience previously on Mad In America.
Insanity or Akathisia
The treatments cause “Schizophrenia”:-
I was okay not taking ‘medication’ in 1980, but by 1983 when I tried to come off ‘medication’, I couldn’t survive (inside my head) without it.
This phenomenon has been acknowledged recently by “Experts in the Field”:-
The ‘Elephant in the Living Room’ here, has got to be that most “Schizophrenics” that “Act Out” in the Community have recently come off “medication” (and are not suffering from “Insanity” but from “Drug Induced Withdrawal Syndrome” i.e. They Are Innocent).
There are no vitamins in the supermarket!
The whole thing about this “form of medicine”, is to gain “co operation” from the patient.
Schizophrenia is treatable isnt it? So if the person gets treatment they get on with their lives don’t they?
Thank You Dr Timimi,
I’ll need to read this article carefully.
Macdonaldisation:- about 2 million people are in jail in America, 1% percent of people in America are estimated ‘Schizophrenic’ , 1% estimated Autistic, up to 10% with ADHD, several per cent estimated Bipolar, and several per cent Depressed and Anxious. So theres lots of ‘unreliable’ people in the Country.
This is the correct LINK
Once a person processed as a Psychiatric Patient tries to come off their “antipsychotics” they will more than likely go MAD.
When a “Schizophrenic” stops taking his “medication” he generally “relapses” – as does a person misdiagnosed with “Schizophrenia” (and put on “medication”).
Apologies if I’m slightly off topic above.
I never really got to sample the “new wonder drugs” because by the time these drugs came to the market I had cut mysdlf down to miniscule non intrusive doses of the really old drugs, and that was good enough for me.
Then the old drugs were removed and I did try miniscule doses of the new drugs.
Ultimately my GPs tried to make out I must be severely unwell mentally because I was prepared to consume very small doses of these new drugs, so I stopped taking the new drugs, but when I did I also discovered that they had no psychiatric effect whatsoever, at the level I had consumed them.
I wondered why my UK GP s were so keen to attempt to discredit me – but as it happens I can see issues in my history that would provide reasons for their behaviour.
Thank you Alex,
A recent Article in Jama Psychiatry from Mark Howoritz, (Sir) Robin Murray, and David Taylor, Scientifically contradicts in my opinion – the use of CTOs.
VERY SLOW AS OPPOSED TO ABRUPT TAPER
The article recommends a Slow Neuroleptic Tapering approach. And “Neuroleptic Withdrawal Induced Psychosis” is acknowledged as a problem / as opposed to “Abrupt Medication Discontinuation Relapse”.
CTO ABRUPT NEUROLEPTIC TAPER
Since most attempted Neuroleptic Withdrawals fall into an Abrupt Category, then these failed Withdrawals do not indicate “Relapse or Return of Illness” but “Problems with Drug Withdrawal”.
Horowitz, Murray, and Taylor write,
“…As there is some evidence that not all patients need lifelong antipsychotic treatment and some may have improved social functioning when taking less or no antipsychotic, cautious deprescribing should be a component of high-quality prescribing practice….”
ABRUPT TAPER VERSUS VERY SLOW TAPER
My own MH Records reflect:- 4 Hospitalizations a Suicide Attempt and “A Near Miss” in 5 Months, following the Permission to withdraw Abruptly from a Fluphenazine Depot Injection ; and 36 Years of Continual Wellness following my own decision to Taper Very Carefully.
In my own case a Very Careful Neuroleptic Taper wasn’t enough, I still need to gain an understanding of how my “Neuroleptic Withdrawal High Anxiety” “Worked” and “What I could do about it”.
The Heading says it!
(I consider “mental health” to be a law into itself -)…
Steve, I notice that I have more or less disappeared from the Discussion section. Is there any reason for this?
…Rain without thunder and lightning.
Everything useful presented in this Research, by the World Experts on the Subject, has already been presented on Mad in America (by the “independently recovered”) – but the professional acknowledgement (IMO) is also very worthwhile.
(I consider “Mental Health” to be a law unto itself .
When I complained at a GP Surgery some years ago about genuine misuse of information:- a “doctor” by way of comment recorded to my notes: “…mildly agitated but no sign of thought disorder..”. Which would be like me saying: “..I have full confidence that Dr xxx has not engaged in shoplifting in the past six months..” )
Hi Ted, Scary Stuff.
Singer Bob Geldoff confided that after his wife’s tragic death some years ago he seriously considered suicide as an option – but he wasn’t incarcerated for this.
UK Comedian Russell Brand supposedly has a diagnosis of “Bipolar” and Singer Elton John’s behaviour was supposedly erratic at one time – but neither of these stars were conferred with a (UK type) “Conservativeship”.
Sponging off the Welfare State
Since the Psychiatric system has little success anyway, I believe the genuine “Experts” are the people that reject the Psychiatric system.
I was diagnosed as a relapsing “Schizophrenic” in Western Ireland, until I made Recovery 30 plus years ago as a result of stopping Psychiatric treatment.
At this time 30 plus years ago: My Psychiatrist (a University Researcher) was on the examining board of the Royal College of Psychiatrists; and the Professor of Pharmacology (at the local University), was President of the British Association of Psychopharmacologists.
Psychiatry today is still useless
Another 1st Class exposure, Lawrence.
It’s even possible to develop withdrawal syndrome while consuming drugs like Xanax.
I’d imagine most normal people experience positive and negative social thoughts inside their heads, as people are social beings and life is socially competitive.
In my experience very few qualified doctors are capable of distinguishing between a social thought inside a person’s head and the hearing of Voices outside a person’s head.
In this recent paper from prominent individuals..
…It is possible for people diagnosed with “Schizophrenia” to survive successfully without “medication” but it would be recommended they withdraw very carefully from neuroleptics, as these drugs can cause weaknesses in the brains systems.
As far as I know the authors don’t recommend any methods for dealing with the “Neuroleptic Exposure High Anxiety”
– this is what’s missing from the paper.
The solutions can be found in Straightforward Psychology.
Its amazing how successful the ‘information block’ (in these times) can be. People that ‘rock the boat’ can find themselves permanently unemployable.
“Peer” has got to be mutual support from others with similar experience. The Hearing Voices Network in London is only open during normal working hours, and I believe mostly supervised by non voice hearers. Can this be “peer” support?
Your account reminds me of my “Rehabilitation” many years ago, when a nurse explained to me that the way to get into work, was to start with half days and extend to full days.
I remember visiting a friend of mind (a shrewd psychiatric survivor) at the time, who advised me to go back to my Specialist and get my restlesness sorted out.
Once the restlessness was sorted out, I didn’t need rehabilitation .
Akithisia is “Stereotypical” – All Psychiatric staff should be able to identify it; and should be prepared to approach doctors neglecting their professional duties.
The main expressed problem my Consultant Psychiatrist had with me (many years ago) was my “inability to maintain routine” – but it was him that was sponging off the Welfare State – NOT me.
Thank you Sam.
Thank you Chris,
Akathisia Killing Fields
I attended a ‘Mental Health Legal Function’ in Central London several years ago where a prominent Mental Health Lawyer/Tribunal Representative provided an informative speech to newly qualified Mental Health Lawyers.
When I brought up the subject of Non Acknowledgement of Akathisia in Involuntary Mental Health Treatment with the speaker – his Answer was automatic and ‘off the cuff’ – he said that if Akathisia were acknowledged, then Doctors would NOT be able to prescribe the ‘medications’, (he then blushed very strongly).
The average family doctor prescriber is not even aware!
Response to GP s Delisting Letter
on the Anniversary of George Colley (Irish TDs) Death in 1983.
What I mean is: People with Lived Experience of Voices are the suitable Guides in the area of Voices.
Thank you for writing this, it is very helpful.
You’re ‘mental health drug withdrawal’ experience sounds as bad as a ‘dreadful illness’. I have my own personal experience of similar.
It’s possible to carefully stop taking drugs ‘suitable for Schizophrenia’; to experience Extreme Anxiety as a result; and to overcome this Extreme Anxiety (through normal Psychological Means).
People with personal experience are the experts not the Psychological or Psychiatric Systems.
“Drug Withdrawal Rebound Relapse Effect” explains the Creation of Schizophrenia.
If most people “relapse” fairly quickly when they come off “medication” – then most people don’t genuinely “relapse”.
This acknowledgement by the “experts” is better late than never.
It took me 6 years 1984 – 1990 to come down from a 25 mg monthly injection of modecate (“suitable for schizophrenia”) to 25mg of oral mellaril per day (suitable for hiccoughs). But my Drug induced disability ended in 1984.
Are the people wishing not to take ‘medication’ ‘psychotic’, or do they just have problems. If they were ‘psychotic’ surely they wouldn’t be able to communicate.
‘Psychotic’ is probably one of the worst things that can be said about a person!
I believe there’s a basic rule in terms of consuming substance; that any substance that makes a person feel better in the Short Term, will eventually make them feel worse in the Long Term.
I “relapsed” several times when I attempted to come off “Neuroleptic Medication” (abruptly) – but I didn’t relapse when I tapered carefully (and learned to cope with Neuroleptic Withdrawal “High Anxiety”):-
“….The researchers explain that “relapse” of psychotic experiences after discontinuing antipsychotics, especially very soon after stopping the drug, is likely due to withdrawal effects….”
I considered myself to be “in the clear” once I was no longer taking disabling doses of medication, because I could get on with my life.
To kill them, maybe.
I believe it’s fairly difficult for a person to pass themselves off as disabled in the UK, other than in the area of Mental Health. I wonder why this is?
Hi Karin, excellent article.
If a person can sit with suffering (even as an experiment) for a period of time, it can be amazing how the suffering can transform into something else.
Most acts of “Mental Health Suicide/Violence/Homicide” in my opinion are caused by Psychiatric Treatments, and society would be far safer without involuntary treatment. I can produce a lot of reliable evidence from my Medical Records to support this opinion.
“Anosgonosia” could probably be applied to anyone.
There’s been so many deaths on Fluphenazine that retrospectively could be traced to Akathisia and the Drug, that Doctors and Governments are hiding the information and getting away with it.
There’s also an unbelievable Withdrawal Syndrome attached to Fluphenazine WHICH can be overcome with help and patience i.e the “Schizophrenic” can walk again.
BUT, People are still being criminalized for acting out on these drugs.
What are their LAWYERS doing?
“….In 1998, Donald Schell, who had been taking Paxil (an SSRI) for two days, shot and killed his wife, Rita, his daughter, Deborah, and his nine-month-old granddaughter, Alyssa, and then killed himself. In 2001, a Wyoming jury in Tobin vs. SmithKline Beecham found:
“…SmithKline 80% liable for Schell’s actions…holding that ‘Paxil can cause some individuals to commit homicide and/or suicide.’” (here)…”
“…Psychiatrists are defined by their ability to dispense pills ostensibly designed to treat diseases of the mind. ..”
We all know people that have recovered. Did they Recover through taking pills, or not taking Pills?
As well as not taking Pills they would have utilised some type of “saving practise” – would this have been Psychotherapy or Something Else? I think Something Else.
Most recovered people probably found their own way.
*It’s important to only come off ‘medication’ VERY carefully.
Because if you talk about it “they’ll” come and get you.
Thank You Philip,
Fluphenazine began to (discretely) go out of business in 2016. I would say that this drug was responsible for its own Holocaust. I would even say that Fluphenazine probably killed more “diagnosed people” than “the Nazis” did.
Many Thanks Wendy,
It’s good that you survived to tell your story and help other people in the same predicament.
I’m going to study your website.
Hi, interestingly enough I was attempting to look through the life expectancy rates of different UK ethnic groups (in the past few days). I was able to find information on several groups but strangely could not find any reliable information on the Life Expectancy Of UK Afro Caribeannn People.
Chinese men in the UK had the highest disability free life expectancy and Asian women in certain groups had much lower disability free rates even though their life expectancy was the same as average.
But Irish Travellers and Romany People (the traditionally discriminated against), had a VERY low life expectancy of 50 years – for men. This could point to the fact that discriminated people die a lot sooner even, than might be expected.
I hope I’m not too far “off theme” in my comment here.
The Psychiatric Antidepressant approach is a form of Insanity.
I find topical psychiatric SEXUAL discussion a bit amusing as for the time I consumed any level of “therepeutic psychiatric chemotherapy” I was incapable of any type of sexual performance. At this time Sexual fulfillment was also probably the least of my problems.
Good Advice tapernurse and kindredspirit.
“…“While tapering can be uneventful, no doctor can guarantee a safe and successful withdrawal at this time.” Which is good reason the doctors should stop prescribing the SSRIs and SNRIs in the first place…”
Exactly! There’s no point on going on drugs that cause more serious “problems”, than a person has.
The average UK doctor (as far as I know) is not even realistically informed on what AKATHISIA is – and if they were realistically informed, (IMO) they would not prescribe ‘antidepressants’.
Anti depressants can cause suicide and Homicide and this is medically accepted, but when someone on antidrepessants goes mad and kills another person, the “authorities” tend not to know what to do.
Maybe there’s just (unresolved) “anxiety”.
Of Blessed Memory of Julie Greene:- All the Scientific Evidence points to the ‘Medical Approach’ making matters worse; and those that Genuinely Recover, recovering through abandoning the ‘Medical Approach’.
Thank You Robert for the brilliant Article,
In my opinion the Medical Model has proven that it has NO Solutions – only Disability and Early Death.
The Social Determinant Model has proven that it HAS Solutions and can even offer Self Actualization:
The Medical Model through Exposure to Psychiatric Drugs can even Cause “Schizophrenia” (similar to Valium causing “Anxiety”):-
From My Own Case:-
As a result of ‘epidemic’ Misdiagnosis IMO:-
Schizophrenia ‘epidemic’ among African Caribbeans spurs prevention policy change
There’s such a thing as pushy parents pressurizing their children to become professionals when the children are not suitable. But I’ve never heard of this as a source if madness.
Sometimes parents pressurize children that are equipped but that don’t see a professional career as something they would like to be involved in. But these people usually escape successfully.
But lots of so called ‘professionals’ are completely incompetent and still manage to earn a reasonable living.
The Helping Hand
The people that do have genuine recovery are by far the best people to help other people recover – and it usually makes them feel good too.
I don’t know if unrealistic career expectations apply to me or not:-
The image above presents some of my craftsmanship. Initially the image might appear to represent a special finish (but the blue spots actually represent ‘snags’ that need to be put right).
I’ve heard it said that there’s an ‘alcoholic’ in every family, if this is true then it would discount a genetic component to ‘serious mental health diagnoses’.
In terms of Economics how much does a dependent, non recovered ‘Schizophrenic’ or ‘Bi Polar’ cost the USA per year?
Akathisia is related to the
2. Stopping or
3. Changing of a drug, (it’s ‘traceable’).
So, if Akathisia were genuinely acknowledged, the information could lead to “historical investigations”.
But akathisia is not being genuinely acknowledged, so people are still dying from drug induced suicide, and people are
being blamed (and locked up) for drug induced behaviour that is ‘completely beyond their control’*
*(I’ve attempted suicide twice in a state of Neuroleptic Induced Acute Akathisia in my early 20s, 1980 to 1984.).
The Offending (Akathisia) Drug ‘Fluphenazine’ was still in use after 1983, but it began to be removed from the Worldwide market around 2016 on account of its “unreliable sources of production”.
Dr E Fuller Torrey (might) explain why:-
“…For example, a study published in 1982 reported that when a group of patients with schizophrenia were each given 20 mg of fluphenazine, the difference between the highest and lowest blood level of the drug was 40-fold. Thus, a very low dose of an antipsychotic is sufficient to control the symptoms of many patients with schizophrenia, even if it does not produce full recovery, whereas other patients may require much higher doses to achieve the same effect…”
I’d say, most prescribers don’t understand the dosage blood volume difference, and this might be why so many people ‘GO MAD’ (Akathisia) on ‘antidepressants’ :-
Well put, Steven.
My picture of CBT is that it’s the same as traditional psychotherapy but in straight forward terms.
When I “catastrophise”, and recognise that I’m “catastophising” I can definitely do something about it. But I don’t see CBT as an instant ‘cure’.
The “Catastrophisation” I suffered from, had followed my withdrawal from a Long Acting Modecate Depot Injection (“suitable” for “Schizophrenia”).
“..Let’s put this matter in context. For the last four decades or so, research psychiatrists have labored strenuously in their respective areas to uncover the biological pathologies that would validate their various diagnoses, i.e. would prove that they are real illnesses…”
The problem as I see it, is that Psychiatry has NO Solutions. Psychiatric Treatments deteriorate and disable people – and this is why ‘Severe Mental Illness’ is classified as a long term condition.
The Solutions exist only outside of Medical Psychiatry.
Thank you Dr Philip,
I hope I’m not too far off topic here.
I estimate that least 50% of all people become “Schizophrenic” in the same way as I did i.e. through the consumption of strong psychiatric drugs (and the people that recover, usually recover as a result of carefully ‘not taking their medication’).
“…In the most robust UK study to date, the incidence of schizophrenia was found to be ninefold higher in black Caribbeans than in the white British population…”
The above UK study is Bulls**t.
I believe Kanye Wests first Psychiatric Drug prior to the advent of ‘his’ ‘BiPolar’ ‘Mania’ was the Antidepressant Lexapro.
Your story sounds like a good warning to anyone thinking about seeing a Psychiatrist with an ‘anxiety problem’. The warning maybe being that ‘the Psychiatrist might not have a clue’.
As soon as I saw Zoloft I was wondering where Zantax was. But you found the right path in the end.
I recovered, in my 20s, through a micro withdrawal process. The Consultant Psychiatrist had offered me the option of Abrupt Withdrawal from a Depot Injection but this proved ‘unsuitable’ (even though depot is supposed to leave the body very slowly).
I’ve noticed that the generally offered abrupt withdrawal (option) from Depot Medication usually ends up badly, but I think this is because the person hasn’t been given a decent chance. So I think that what Psychiatrists describe as ‘Genuine Schizophrenia’ is more a bit of a ‘Lottery’.
Thank You Dr Florence,
“…Without a self-articulated framework, those deemed “mad” will remain subject to the symbolic and material violence of experts…” – Violence / Torture.
If every “Severely And Enduringly Mentally Ill” person can completely recover through non drug (/non physical) means as I was assured by a Clinical Psychologist in Ireland in1983, and as the British Psychological Society (to a large extent) supports – then I wonder why so many Qualified Psychologists appear to behave as if they accept differently?
LACK OF RESPONSIBILITY OR AKATHISIA
“…Mr Nugent said Mrs Palmer was admitted to a psychiatric unit at the hospital under the care of Prof Fahy. She was kept there for a week. To the consternation of her husband, her own family and her friends who contacted the hospital, she was released. ..”
“…”This is hell”, nine times over. “A disgusting waste of two beautiful girls – two human beings” on the reverse. These were among the last words written by Mrs Catherine Palmer, jotted on a note found in her trouser pocket by Garda Michael Harte after her death…”
POLICY OF SUPPRESSION OF AKATHISIA
I notice the people that do genuinely recover tend to recover independently, of the Very Expensive UK Mental Health System. In other areas of Medical Achievement the NHS is considered to be maybe the best in the world.
Thank you Sarah, your writing is very easy to read and register. It seems that the result, of whats on offer from Psychiatry by way of help, is equivalent to some type of industrial disaster.
I notice the UK seems to be making consistent Human Rights Progress (Directly Questioning Fixed Beliefs with Scientific Evidence):-
BRITISH PSYCHOLOGICAL SOCIETY
“…Understanding Psychosis and Schizophrenia. The problems we think of as ‘psychosis’ – hearing voices, believing things that others find strange, or appearing out of touch with reality – can be understood in the same way as other psychological problems such as anxiety or shyness…”
M I N D
“…What if I don’t want to take medication?
Many psychiatrists believe that severe mental health problems like schizophrenia must be treated with medication, but if you don’t want to take antipsychotics, there are alternative treatments you can try. You may find it’s possible to manage your symptoms, or to make a full recovery, without medication. This page covers:
Complementary and alternative therapies
Peer support groups
Healthy lifestyle changes…”
RUFUS MAY: Living Mindfully With Voices
OPEN DIALOGUE UK
“…For example, 72 per cent of those with first episode psychosis treated via an Open Dialogue approach returned to work or study within two years, despite significantly lower rates of medication and hospitalisation compared to treatment as usual…”
I came off my Modecate Depot Injection (with permission), because of its disabling side effects in late 1983, and ended up in hospital fairly quickly afterwards. I was put back on an increased dosage of Modecate while in hospital – and I experienced an Akathisia induced suicide attempt in early 1984.
I then tried to come off the Modecate Injection again, but I couldn’t, so I asked my doctors for a medication with less side effects. Another medication Depixol Depot Injection was recommended – but after taking the Depixol injection I became suicidal (with Akathisia) and I had to fight my way back into hospital (where I stayed for less than 2 days).
I then asked doctors to prescribe me an Oral “medication” which they did, but I found I also suffered from “Drug Withdrawal High Anxiety”. This “High Anxiety” could have driven me MAD, had I not learnt how to deal with it.
I was able to function with the Oral medication and as my ability to deal with my “High Anxiety” improved, I was able to cut the Oral Medication down very gradually, to eventually nothing.
Doctor David Healy was around during my “Drug Withdrawal” at Galway Ireland Regional Hospital 1983/1984, and I visited him with my notes, in Wales in 2018. Dr Healy provided me with a letter stating that he was confident that I had never suffered from Severe Mental Illness to begin with, and that it was likely that the treatment had been the problem.
But, if I hadn’t learnt how to overcome my ” Drug Induced High Anxiety” through Psychological Means, I’m sure I wouldn’t have been in a position to challenge any “Diagnosis” – I would more than likely have been DEAD.
EMOTION AND THE DIGITAL AGE
Thanks Professor Ian Tucker and Dr Tim Beck for the great Article.
I was reading about Jack Dorsey CEO of ‘Twitter’ and ‘Square’ and how he lives.
He walks five miles to work several days a week.
He only eats one meal per day during the week (usually chicken and vegetables or salad), and doesn’t eat at all on Saturday.
He does 2 hours Vipassana Meditation every day, and for his holiday he went to a 10 day, all day meditation retreat.
He’s one of the richest people in America but his main enjoyments could probably be practised by anyone.
(He has a very nice house also, I believe, and he might date supermodels).
In a tribal society a creative person can have value especially when the tribe is under pressure, but in an industrial society people that don’t conform are an “excess to requirements”. “Schizophrenia” was invented around the same time as the industrial revolution.
There were lots of other things around prior to the industrial revolution, but no “schizophrenia”. Once the medications arrived – the job was done. The “schizophrenics” could be “switched off”.
Neuroleptics AKA “Antipsychotics” (according to my verifiable experience) CAUSE the Symptoms associated with “those at Risk of Psychosis”, they do not alleviate them.
I felt okay not taking “antipsychotics” to begin with. But when I attempted to come off them some years later (abruptly, with permission), I had 4 hospitalizations in 5 months a suicide attempt and an almost suicide.
It took me 6 years to carefully withdraw from a dosage suitable for “schizophrenia”. But I wouldn’t have made it, if I had not come to the realization that I was suffering from the “High Anxiety” of “antipsychotic drug withdrawal”.
I had never previously experienced anything like this Anxiety. My exposure to these drugs could have driven me MAD.
To cope with the High Anxiety of Neuroleptic drug Withdrawal, I had to learn to sit with “acutely uncomfortable feelings”, and to “stay out of my head” at the same time. When I “balanced off” my thinking would return to a “hypothetical level”, which was always safe for me.
I Recovered as a result of stopping Neuroleptic / Psychotogenic Drugs.
Brilliant article, and well worth reading.
I can identify with the predicament.
“….Statistics suggest a black man in the UK is 17 times more likely than a white man to be diagnosed with a serious mental health condition such as schizophrenia or bipolar…”
John Weir Perry, Stan Groff, David Lukoff, Richard Bentall, Sinead Gallagher.
“….The problems we think of as ‘psychosis’ – hearing voices, believing things that others find strange, or appearing out of touch with reality – can be understood in the same way as other psychological problems such as anxiety or shyness…”
“….How an industry can claim to “know everything about the meds,” yet…”
You’ve hit the nail on the head!
The situation is Ridiculous!
Some people claim that “Antidepressants are prescribed like sweets”. But taking these Drugs can have long term affects:-
APPLYING TO JOIN THE ESSEX POLICE
I am taking antidepressants for depression. My depression is really well controlled. Would this affect my application?
Each decision is made after a careful consideration of the facts. The severity of the condition is reflected by the type of antidepressant, its strength and the duration of treatment in addition to many other factors.
We would also consider the 2004 Home Office guidance which generally advises against accepting recruits whilst they are still being treated with antidepressants and for a period after stopping them. We recognise that this is guidance but guidance holds a particular status in law.
The main goal of the assessment is to determine your mental resilience and the probability of further episodes of impaired mental health. Police work is like no other and good mental resilience and emotional stability are paramount.
“…This was so clear that the US FDA demanded that a black box warning be put onto the label…”
These drugs can also cause Homicide:- The Characteristics of Akathisia induced Behaviour are:-
1. The Behaviour follows the stopping starting or changing of a “Psychiatric Medication”
2. The Behaviour is Extreme
3.The Behaviour is out of Character
What Neuroleptic drugs do is create conditions of “Indifference”. So a person is not worried about what’s on their minds, or anything else.
Buddhist Psychology/Philosophy encourages a state of “Equanamity” where a person is aware of their circumstances but accepting of them. From this position problems are not too difficult to deal with.
Dr Robin Murray towards the end of his career also acknowledged the existence of “Neuroleptic Withdrawal Syndrome”. This condition is IMO, what holds people in “Long Term Severe Mental Illness”.
The Black Psychiatrists and MH Workers In my Opinion are likely to do as much damage as the White Psychiatrists and MH Workers.
There’s nothing also to say that a Qualified Doctor, is any better than a Library Assistant at helping a person get through Emotional Distress.
BBC News – UK imposes sanctions against human rights abusers
We already know that Neuroleptics like Olanzapine shrink the Brain:
We know that Neuroleptics cause Suicide and Homicide:
We know we have Non Drug solutions:
Your experience must have been full of great suffering but as a Psychologist you’ve gone through the eye of the needle and come out the other side. How many so called experts can claim this?
I’m a bit of a fan of Eckhart Tolles myself. Though, I’m still trying to see exactly what he’s got.
I hope to come across more of you on Mad in America!
The UK seems to be one of the countries that’s consistently making advances in “Mental Health”.
I doubt my heart would be functioning on 1000mg per day!
Jill, I was prescribed 25mg of Seroquel per day and I was taking about 6 mg of Seroquel per day (I used to bite it in 4). When I stopped the Seroquel I still had years of unsuccessful sleeping.
6mg Seroquel taken 10 minutes before I went to bed, used to knock me out.
Well done Angela. And thank you for telling us about it.
Klonopin sounds like a good drug to start off with – to drive a person MAD.
I was given permission to come off my meds abruptly, and I didn’t last long. But it worked when I slowly tapered over many years. I also found workable answers for my ‘High Anxiety’ within Psychology and Self Help.
And thank you also James!
Psychiatric Care Fails to Address High Suicide Rates of Native Alaskans. Psychiatric care as I understand it might make matters worse.
Thank You Jill, it really is Snakes And Ladders.
Psychiatric Abuse goes hand in hand with Diagnosis, and this is why (in my opinion), “Schizophrenia” should be internationally outlawed.
There’s been a mass chemical Killing of people labelled with “Schizophrenia” by Psychiatry in the past 60 years that would equal a tiny fraction of the “mercy killings genocide” which took place in parts of Europe in the 1930s.
“Anti Psychotic” Drugs cause Suicide and Homicide (Akathisia), Disability, Ill Health and Early Death.
“Akathisia Suicides” are ‘philosophically’ covered up through a Policy of Psychiatric Corruption and Self Interest, and “Akathisia Violence” is blamed on the “Patient”.
Coming off “Antipsychotic” Drugs responsibly can lead to Full Recovery. A Fact that has been demonstrated many times on this Website.
“Anti Psychotic” Drugs can also cause “Schizophrenia” in the Misdiagnosed – Black People are NOT 9 times more likely to develop “Schizophrenia”:
I’ve been on these drugs myself. I was disabled while I took them, and I found it extremely difficult to come off them.
I notice that most people that genuinely Recover as a result of stopping “medication” Recover in similar ways.
A problem I can see with the “Hearing Voices Network” in London is that they only seem to have meetings “during normal working hours”, whereas most Peer Groups have meetings outside of normal working hours.
Most people are unlikely to be available between 9am and 6pm to attend a London HVN Meeting, so the potential for people to gain or to contribute is very limited.
Thank You Madison Natarajan,
I appreciate your inverted comma treatment of ‘Psychosis’.
I noticed this on the MIND WEBSITE:-
“..What if I don’t want to take medication?
Many psychiatrists believe that severe mental health problems like schizophrenia must be treated with medication, but if you don’t want to take antipsychotics, there are alternative treatments you can try.
You may find it’s possible to manage your symptoms, or to make a full recovery, without medication. This page covers:
Complementary and alternative therapies
Peer support groups
Healthy lifestyle changes…”
Thank You Linda,
I’m very sorry for your loss.
I’m glad you got out, and wrote constructively about the misery. Your book will help others.
Nobody gets much better in the Psychiatric system as far as I can see. I know I didn’t.
Thanks Dr Ana,
I wonder if the GP prescribers know anything about AKATHISIA?
I would describe the people in the Study not as “Psychotic” but maybe with distress.
Two of the most exclusive eye hospitals in the world The Western Eye Hospital and Moorefields Eye Hospital are based at London in the UK.
When I attended both of these NHS Eye Hospitals with eye problems and mentioned, that Psychotropic drugs I had consumed in the early 1980s had affected my eyesight, doctors at both of these hospitals kept what I said off my Records and entered negative Mental Health entries instead.
At Moorefields Eye Hospital the Consultant himself recorded “takes Seroquel for his Psychiatric Problems” into my Notes. Whereas my prescription of Seroquel at 25 mg per day – would NOT have been suitable for any “Psychiatric Problem” whatsoever. Seroquel at 25mg per day is only used for Off Label Purposes.
The Consultants casual approach might reasonably predict the actual standard of medical care available to a person “with Psychiatric Problems” in some Nhs medical facilities in the UK.
I came off neuroleptics with basic Psychotherapy but “people” can “Fu*k Off” with the term “Psychosis”.
But this is Very Good News!
Neuroleptics are not needed as Mad in America has continually maintained, and we’re getting to a point where “Schizophrenia” doesn’t exist.
I think the term “Psychotic” is widely misused. If a person can benefit from communication then surely they are not “Psychotic”.
IMO the answers to Depression and Anxiety, were ‘invented’ in India, and are available more or less for free. And we are very grateful in the West to be able to access them.
Thank you Liam,
I support and admire Kerry O’Malley.
You describe nasty and vindictive behaviour from the Psychiatric Authorities against a senior citizen. Its like the entire system is corruptly stacked against a “target”. If Kerry survives it proves “them” wrong.
I can’t agree either, with the notion that psychiatric drugs make people safer. It’s well established that psychiatric drugs can cause Suicide and Homicide; and shorten life expectancy considerably.
The LINK below represents how a ‘humane helping hand’ can have an extremely successful outcome:-
Thank you again for presenting this Article.
Fair play to the Australian Health Minister for supporting an ‘open minded’ investigation into the increase in Suicide among young Australians.
On 14 June 2020, Rajput, aged 34, was found dead hanging from the ceiling fan in his home in Bandra, Mumbai. He had reportedly been suffering from depression for about six months. No suicide note has been found as of 15 June 2020. According to Mumbai Police IPS officer Vinay Chaubey, medical prescriptions and medical reports were found in Sushant’s room and an investigation is underway.
It’s Dr Shipman type behaviour:-
He also explains things in simple English.
“…One policy conclusion that could be drawn from this study is that the attempt to use drugs to make mental patients less dangerous is the obverse of what is needed. ..” – Completely true again.
Psychiatric medications (usually taken for “work stress”) can cause Suicide Violence and Homicide in people with no underlying “mental illness” or violent tendencies.
Completely true. Jails are not full of violent “schizophrenics”, they are full of people that attack other people when they are drunk.
Thank You Noel,
“..Black men in Britain are 17 times more likely than white counterparts to be diagnosed with a psychotic illness…”
“..Early death, by up to 25 years, is frequently found to be associated with long-term use of neuroleptics/tranquilizers (euphemistically called “anti-psychotics)…”
Drug induced Suicide (Akathisia) in the first few years after Diagnosis contributes also to the early death figure. Below is a LINK concerning my own experience, demonstrating Psychiatrists being prepared to set up situations whereby complainants can be killed:
I can only presume “this Practice” to be “Common Medical Practice”.
Thank You Ashley,
Psychiatric Drug induced Suicide, Homicide and Violence tend to be closely related. Society would be a lot safer without “antidepressants”.
When they present studies concerning “antidepressants” and recovery rates and scientific percentages I think they’re “waffling”.
“Antidepressants” have never established themselves as having any value in terms of effectiveness.
In my opinion the Epidemic in Irish Suicide and Familicide can be directly traced to the commonplace use of Psychiatric Drugs in the “normal population”.
BBC News – US Supreme Court backs protection for LGBT workers
“..An employer who fires an individual for being homosexual or transgender fires that person for traits or actions it would not have questioned in members of a different sex,” he wrote…”
Society is full of potentially gratuitously dangerous people without “Mental Illness”. Whats so special about the “Mentally Ill”?
I’m sure it’s possible to improve life without taking a moral perspective!
“Anosgonosia” reminds me of a “neologism” and if you put this along with thinking cats have “schizophrenia” then E Fuller Torrey is definitely “schizophrenic”.
Thank You, John and Irving and James
You are part of a group of ethical professionals and activists that are patiently and successfully turning the tables on very bad behaviour in “Mental Health”. The results of this in my opinion, can be clearly seen in the UK.
“…In reviewing the studies it was sometimes the case that only the treating psychiatrist was rating the effectiveness of the procedure, not the patient…”
– Which in the case of electric shock would be fairly “useless”.
As regards “symptoms”; if a person is okay with a “symptom”, and it doesn’t affect anyone else; is there anything “wrong” with the symptom?
Dear Sera, thank you for writing this.
Its true that none of us are saints, some of us get away with our misdeeds, and some of us get sent to jail.
“…Virtually every family in the country, the research indicates, has been subject to overtesting and overtreatment in one form or another. The costs appear to take thousands of dollars out of the paychecks of every household each year. …”
Thanks Will and Faith,
As usual this is a very well written Article.
I remember (reading) from your own experience Will, that you were incarcerated as a ‘seriously unwell’ person until the insurance money ran out, and then you were “released”.
According to this Research
a ‘schizophrenic’ is 20 times more likely to be extremely distressed as a result of taking psychiatric drugs than never haven taken them at all.
Lifetime Suicide Rates in Treated Schizophrenia: 1875-1924 and 1994-1998 Cohorts Compared
Results: The suicide rate in schizophrenia between 1875 and 1924 was 20 per 100 000 hospital years, a lifetime rate of less than 0.5%. The suicide rate for all psychoses was 16 per 100 000 hospital years. Current rates of suicide for schizophrenia and other psychoses appear 20-fold higher.
(‘Schizophrenics’ that don’t ever take medication are 20 times less likely to Kill themselves Or other people).
In the UK ‘Severe Mental Illness’ Diagnosis of Black People is supposed to be at least 10 times that for White People. This difference is what I’d be wondering about as regards ‘black suicidality’ in the USA, as I know from my own observation and personal experience that Psychiatric drugs can cause ‘irresistible’ suicide.
Against Psychiatric Treatments
I don’t see it as a question of “Either/Or”, as most people that consume strong psychiatric drugs are likely to remain longterm psychiatrically disabled (costing the country about £75,000 per person per year or about £3 million per person, in the course of their lives, if they live long enough).
In the past 36 years I have cost the Irish/Uk taxpayer nothing in Mental health terms – as a result of carefully leaving psychiatry.
If “basic psychotherapy” works with “neuroleptic withdrawal syndrome”, I don’t see why it wouldn’t work with “original problems”.
SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS FRAUD “LICENCE TO KILL”
From: [My Email Address – Removed]
My trust in Newton Medical was broken in October of 2012 when (to my horror) I discovered my name had been on a Severe Mental Illness Register since 2002. At this time (2002) I had been working as a Building Subcontractor in the **House of Parliament Buildings (and can substantiate this).
OCTOBER 8 2018 VISIT TO NEWTON MEDICAL. REGARDING HEALTH AND SAFETY ON BUILDING SITES
On October 8 2018 I explained (and showed ) to the Reception Manager and to Dr Baluch at Newton Medical, that at my last appointment on **July 20 2016 Dr Simons had given me in writing a sheet of paper from the Appointment Notes stating that – “he could see no reason that I could NOT work on a Building Site” . While at the same time Dr Simons had provided me with another sheet of paper from a “Legal Adviser” (July 20 2016)
Wellness Presentation at Galway in November 1980, according to Dr Fadel
[My Name – Removed]
**[July 20 2016 Dr Appointment
2003 Hse of Parliament Subcontractor ID Card
I see you sampled a “medical miracle” some years ago, and that it drove you MAD.
I sampled a lot more than you, it drove me MAD as well and seriously physically and mentally disabled me.
I attempted to come off strong drugs in 1983 but when I did, my brain was completely broken, and I didn’t last long. I managed on my third attempt in 1984 though, with a careful drug taper; and through a similar ‘psychotherepeutic process’ – as described in “The Untethered Soul” by Michael Singer and “The Power of Now” by Eckhart Tolle.
Dr David Healy did not administer the Haloperidol I consumed in 1980/81, but he was around at Galway in 1984 when I moved towards independance.
Dr Healy provided me with a professional Letter at Bangor, Wales in 2018 stating that he was confident I had never originally suffered from “Severe Mental Illness”. This was exactly what the Irish Priest I had visited in Central London in 1980 had also maintained.
What Happened to Me?
I spent the Summer of 1980 in Amsterdam but there is no mention of this on the English side of my Medical Records ¿¿¿
In 1986 Pharmacology Professor at Galway University Brian Leonard was President of the British Association of Psychopharmacologists.¿¿,
In 1985 my Psychiatrist at Galway, Dr PA Carney was on the examining board of the UK Royal College of Psychiatrists.¿¿
(If a person can recover from ‘Schizophrenia’ with basic Psychotherapy then this would be the way forward).
In my opinion there is no such thing as “Schizophrenia”. The reason I was able to come off strong psychiatric drugs (and recover) was because I was able to find a way to deal with my Neuroleptic Drug Withdrawal Anxiety.
Prior to coming off strong Psychiatric drugs I was diagnosed as ‘the worst schizophrenic in Ireland’.
PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS CAUSING “ILLNESS”
“..Black men in Britain are 17 times more likely than white counterparts to be diagnosed with a psychotic illness…”
Black Men are NOT 17 times more likely to suffer from Genuine “Psychosis” as white men, but once they enter the psychiatric system they are as likely as anyone else to remain “PSYCHIATRIC”.
“Schizophrenia” is either a life long chronic disease or it’s not. A person with a diagnosis of “Schizophrenia” either remains long-term chronically mentally ill or they don’t.
Psychiatric drugs In my experience are disabling to the extent that a person cannot function normally when they take them, and psychiatric drugs also have withdrawal syndromes which can make it almost impossible for a person to stop taking them.
I think the fact that doctors are not aware of the overall problems with psychiatric drug treatment and dependency and long term outcomes, indicates how poor the standard of “Mental Health medicine” is.
I attended a Maudsley debate where Dr John Read debated, alongside a very genuine Lady doctor who had been seriously damaged by ECT. I believe she attested that she did make a recovery through psychological means. But I don’t remember this Lady’s name off hand.
“…the only danger is a slightly higher risk of suicide when people first start taking it, because they feel so much better…”
I’ve heard this before – its just clever talk!
(I have never attempted suicide OFF medication).
The thing about the Recovery movement is that the people have really hard times and they can all completely Recover (no matter how crazy they are).
All the people in “Normal People” are Normal but they could all be “Diagnosed”.
It’s the ghost of Dr Shipman.
And Fact No 15
Which speaks for itself.
How About Fact No 14
Psychiatry administers physical treatments that “work” through completely disabling an individual; rather than offering non physical treatments, that are proven to completely recover an individual.
I think at this stage the GP s are mostly ‘bought and sold’. They might be aware that anti depressants are “trouble” but they mightn’t consider themselves to be in much of a position to do anything about the situation.
“…For Evan, my take is his parents’ and the larger Durst family’s refusal to discuss the probable murder of his beloved Aunt Kathie by his uncle caused analogous problems for Evan…”
How would any reasonable child cope with the “normalisation” of “family member murder”?
Thank you Peter, it’s only determined effort that has brought the fatal dangers of these drugs to the surface.
“…2.5 times as likely to attempt suicide ..” this is not a good advert for antidepressants.
Thank you for this worthwhile article, Francesca.
Its nice to see you back on Mad In America.
You make a lot of sense.
I can identify with the drug disability you describe, this is most peoples main problem.
It took me 6 years to cut from 25mg per month of Fluphenazine LAI injection (suitable for Schizophrenia), to 25mg per day of Thoradazine (suitable for Hiccoughs).
Thank you for presenting this, Jim.
Its amazing what groups of people and institutions can do, and get away with.
SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS FRAUD – AS HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE
RESPONSE TO GP DELISTING LETTER:
From: [Name Removed]
Hi Jon, Great Article!
What about number 13.
13. Psychiatric Drug Treatments cause the Mental Illness that they are supposed to Cure:
“…To compound neuroleptics’ ‘sledgehammer’ approach, neurons are very adept at growing new receptors to compensate for those that are blocked. Psychotic symptoms then rebound with a vengeance. …”
this Approach from Eckhart Tolle in dealing with the Pain Body, might sound crazy, but actually works (with practice):
“…This accumulated pain is a negative energy field that occupies your body and mind. If you look on it as an invisible entity in its own right, you are getting
and accidents are often created in this way. Some pain-bodies drive their hosts to suicide.
When you thought you knew a person and then you are suddenly confronted with this alien, nasty creature for the first time, you are in for quite a shock. However, it’s more important to observe it in yourself than in someone else. Watch out for any sign of unhappiness in yourself, in whatever form — it may be the awakening pain-body. This can take the form of irritation, impatience, a somber mood, a desire to hurt, anger, rage, depression, a need to have some drama in your relationship, and so on. Catch it the moment it awakens from its dormant state.
The pain-body wants to survive, just like every other entity in existence, and it can only survive if it gets you to unconsciously identify with it. It can then rise up, take you over, “become you,” and live through you. It needs to get its “food” through you. It will feed on any experience that resonates with its own kind of energy, anything that creates further pain in whatever form: anger, destructiveness, hatred, grief, emotional drama, violence, and even illness. So the pain-body, when it has taken you over, will create a situation in your life that reflects back its own energy frequency for it to feed on. Pain can only feed on pain. Pain cannot feed on joy. It finds it quite indigestible.
Once the pain-body has taken you over, you want more pain. You become a victim or a perpetrator. You want to inflict pain, or you want to suffer pain, or both. There isn’t really much difference between the two. You are not conscious of this, of course, and will vehemently claim that you do not want pain. But look closely and you will find that your thinking and behavior are designed to keep the pain going, for yourself and others. If you were truly conscious of it, the pattern would dissolve, for to want more pain is insanity, and nobody is consciously insane.
The pain-body, which is the dark shadow cast by the ego, is actually afraid of the light of your consciousness. It is afraid of being found out. Its survival depends on your unconscious identification with it, as well as on your unconscious fear of facing the pain that lives in you. But if you don’t face it, if you don’t bring the light of your consciousness into the pain, you will be forced to relive it again and again. The pain-body may seem to you like a dangerous monster that you cannot bear to look at, but I assure you that it is an insubstantial phantom that cannot prevail against the power of your presence.
Some spiritual teachings state that all pain is ultimately an illusion, and this is true. The question is: Is it true for you? A mere belief doesn’t make it true. Do you want to experience pain for the rest of your life and keep saying that it is an illusion? Does that free you from the pain? What we are concerned with here is how you can realize this truth — that is, make it real in your own experience.
So the pain-body doesn’t want you to observe it directly and see it for what it is. The moment you observe it, feel its energy field within you, and take your attention into it, the identification is broken. A higher dimension of consciousness has come in. I call it presence. You are now the witness or the watcher of the pain-body. This means that it cannot use you anymore by pretending to be you, and it can no longer replenish itself through you. You have found your own innermost strength. You have accessed the power of Now. …”
The fact that “Antidepressants” can cause suicide is a bit like – a “sick joke”.
To be completely honest, I cannot identify with non psychiatric ‘medication’ induced Suicide.
I know people often find life very hard, but most of the time they don’t kill themselves.
I know I can cope without neuroleptics, with the help of ‘basic psychology’ – so I’d wonder how many MH Workers are up to the job.
“….To compound neuroleptics’ ‘sledgehammer’ approach, neurons are very adept at growing new receptors to compensate for those that are blocked. Psychotic symptoms then rebound with a vengeance….”
I am incapable of imagining suicide in “Mental Health”, not being related to Psychiatric Drugs.
I’m not a therapist, but I can see why this might be a tricky question.
The main problem I see is the Control and Authority thing in ‘Mental Health’, otherwise I’d imagine it would be perfectly okay to ask the question (if it was suitable) and to advise, or support a person as they would like.
(I recall seeing an article some time ago on a BBC Website where seemingly a lot of young British people privately dwell on suicide – but obviously most don’t go ahead with it).
I can tell you for a fact that Psychiatric drugs cause Suicide and Mental Illness.
I have had regular suicidal hospitalizations, on the drugs below..
..but never before going on them (1960 to 1980) or since coming off them (1984 to 2020).
The paper seems to suggest that ‘schizophrenia’ might actually exist as a type of neurological condition – but if this is the case then what about Open Dialogue, The Hearing Voices Network and other Psychological solutions that are proven to work? Where do these fit in?
I know from coming off Neuroleptics myself, that it is possible to learn ‘to cope’ with the ‘Horrors of Neuroleptic Withdrawal Syndrome’ through ‘very careful drug withdrawal, and suitable anxiety management techniques’.
‘Psychosis’ itself is a transitory symptom, but ‘neuroleptic induced dopamine supersensitivity’ is not.
It’s a lot simpler in the UK:
The General Medical Council is Mad
Neesa, thanks for your story.
I’ve heard a few people talk about meditations triggering ‘psychosis’ and its not too surprising when you think about it. I also know from my own experience that antidepressants and different psychiatric drugs can trigger “lunacy”, and quitting them can also trigger “lunacy”.
I was only able to come off “my own schizophrenic drugs” (very slowly); when I learned how to cope with my very severe “drug withdrawal anxiety”.
I wish you Good Luck in the future.
(I must check out the Reiki)
“….People avoiding care for fear of committment…”
I’m not even registered with a Doctor in the UK, because of my experience of “game playing of mental illness”.
CHARACTERISTICS OF AKATHISIA INDUCED SUICIDE
1. Out of Character
3. Follows: i. Starting, ii. Stopping,
iii. Changing, a ‘Medication’
…but, there are solutions.
It is acknowledged though, that “alcoholics” that learn to live without alcohol, often live happy and productive lives.
Lack of long-term outcome data means you have no idea what the “treatment” is likely to do to you and your brain!
“….Anatomy of an Epidemic gives facts and figures on the astonishing rise in social security disability cases due to mental illness. Whitaker makes a comparison between the advent of Prozac in 1987 and the subsequent 37-fold increase in disability cases…”
Most of these people (the “mentally” disabled) will die in treatment.
…as in make genuine and complete Recovery.
This is known as Papal Infallability!
According to the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous:- the end of the line for an Alcoholic comes when he can’t live with alcohol and he can’t live without it. This is known as the “Jumping off Point”, when the alcoholic feels life is no longer worth living. But if the hopeless Alcoholic is lucky his new life is just about to begin.
Euthanasia or Government Sponsored Suicide is now available for lots of European people, even young physically fit adults who have now arrived at the “end of the line” with “Mental Illness”, Trauma, Depression Antidepressants (and other psychotropics). But it is very possible to turn this corner.
In the middle ages an elixir was discovered in Ireland and Scotland and it became known as the “Water of Life” or “Uisce Beatha”.
It gave pleasure and happiness and friendliness to people who consumed it, and it also had medicinal qualities.
But most reasonable people were aware that it should be used very carefully, as too much of it could cause harm.
The “potion” was known for short as “Uisce”, and in English the pronunciation became “Whisky”.
And you can’t contradict the Pope because the Pope is divinely guided by God.
Sam, I promise you I was a lot less of a risk to myself off strong “medications”!
Its nice to see you back again.
“…..the relapse rate after taking pills for depression is two to three times higher than with psychotherapy. Similar results are found for treating anxiety….”
I think the “relapse rate” might be worse for anxiety: Psychologist Dr Jordan Peterson developed severe anxiety from his anti anxiety “medication”, while still on the “medication”.
(I have suffered badly myself from the effects of psychiatric drugs, and I wouldn’t recommend them to anyone).
Thank You Dr Gail,
It must have taken a lot of courage to write this!
‘Anyone’ could be diagnosed as mentally ill for saying they believed that they were not mentally ill.
I live in London (UK) where the majority of ‘normal men’ have ‘histories of violence’; this can be seen from the ‘battle scars’ on their faces. How can a ‘MH risk of violence’ be determined in settings like this?
My own suicidal hospitalisations (and MH disability) stopped when I stopped taking “my medication”.
My GP had to fiddle my History and the rules, to promote ‘Mental Illness’, many many years later.
How the Normal Persons Mind Wanders
“…this person looked at me..this means something is happening…I wonder what they are up to….”
How the Schizophrenic Persons Mind Wanders
“…The person with schizophrenia, however, not only hears the cough but may immediately decide it must be a signal of some kind,..”
I wonder how a person can practice “meditation” if they are on psychiatric drugs; and if meditation is used instead of psychiatric drugs, I wonder if this would not contradict the “doctors position”.
Your best work was towards the end.
I don’t see my original comment in the discussion area.
Overcoming “Schizophrenia” doesn’t have to cost 1 Penny, and it can be done without the help of “western” psychiatrists, psychologists, psychotherapists etc.
I attended a ‘Brahma Kumari’ stress management course in Central London a few years ago, where a young lady explained how the Brahma Kumari believed Stress ‘worked’.
She said that when something upsets us, its not the thing itself we’re bothered about. But, that we’re bothered because the thing opens up historical stress that’s within us. And the way to deal with the Stress is to accommodate it in the present.
Then she said “You see we are all Schizophrenics in real life”.
I myself have been told that I never originally suffered from “Schizophrenia”. But I have been exposed to heavy duty “schizophrenic” drugs and been diagnosed worse and worse during my psychiatric experience.
I recovered when I stopped taking the strong “schizophrenic” “medications” and then I suffered from quite a Lot of Catastrophic Stress. And as far as I can tell the Brahma Kumari Lady was 100 per cent right.
Thanks for telling your personal story and I’m glad you survived.
Have you come across the box set “Normal People” where everyone is “normal” but they still have to go through the wringer.
Ryan Air Boss Michael O Leary went to Trinity and that’s Irelands Oxford, that’s the kind of posh chums you might have – if you got that extra mark.
But the only ‘psychology’ that’s factually worth anything comes from the “non western” world!
Yes Julie (sadly departed),
You describe it exactly, as it is.
[I had ‘something’ similar with a doctor some years ago when I made a realistic and legitimate complaint. The doctor recorded me in my notes following this verbal complaint as “..mildly agitated but with no sign of thought disorder…”, so I complained again expressing it in writing.
And that seemed to ‘work’….]
If traditional methods can cure mental distress (as they can), then disabling and harmful chemical methods are unnecessary.
Thanks for this David,
“….We are now all the 100%. In today’s world, if you are not crazy you may be nuts!…”
Oprah Winfrey doesn’t seem to criticise Psychiatry.
Deepak Choprah seriously questions western medicine but does not seem to criticise Psychiatry.
Even Jordan Peterson after his dreadful drug withdrawal experience is not critising Psychiatry (too much).
The majority of politicians would be too legitimately frightened to challenge Psychiatry.
Thank you Dr Paula, I like this article.
I think the American voters more or less knew ‘capacity wise’ what they were getting when they voted Donald Trump in, and he doesn’t seem to have changed much over the years as President.
I wouldn’t trust the average Psychiatrist to be competent to judge the Capacity of an American President, as most are at least intentionally deluded.
I’m very interested to see though, whether Donald Trump will get voted in again.
Is it not illegal to hit children in Canada (as in most western countries)?
I believe I saw an article recently in the BBC that said that bad eating habits were more deadly than smoking and drinking (combined).
The only really worthwhile research in this area, has got to be successful Peer Research.
Blooding people involves getting them to commit ‘acts’ that tie them into a group.
This is (tragically) interesting because I have had 4 first cousins from one side of my family that have lost their lives on antidepressants, and none of them had much wrong with themselves to begin with.
No first cousins on the other side of my family died in similar circumstances, but at the time, these relatives would not have had access to ‘psycho tropic’ medical opinion.
I really like this article, especially at the end when you recover, as a result of stopping ‘medication’.
I’m very sorry for your loss. I have attempted suicide while suffering from drug induced acute akathisia more than once, and if I was in the same position again I would probably attempt suicide again.
Licence To Kill
I D Card 2002/03
“…This device was reportedly able to intervene directly in neurophysiological processes, creating certain emotional states such as calmness or elation, as well as behavioral reactions in animals and human beings…” ..and potentially states of Brain Damage.
You’ll get there in the end!
I would judge the psychiatric drugging of children for any reason to be many times more harmful than corporal punishment of children.
But I don’t think corporal punishment is in any way justifiable as effective, it’s more to do with adult satisfaction in physical abuse.
Theres probably a very good reason the USA army bans Seroquel.
In my experience even on very low non therapeutic doses of 25% of 25mg per day, these drugs can cause very frightening irregular heart rythm.
The reason a lot of people find it difficult to withdraw from “antipsychotics” is because of “Antipsychotic” Withdrawal symptoms of overwhelming “High Anxiety”.
When I suffered from .my own “Withdrawal High Anxiety” I was eventually able to to see that if I didn’t engage with the Anxiety at the time; it eventually ran out of steam; and I was able to intuitively deal with whatever the problem was.
“Antipsychotics” Cause Suicide and “Mental Illness”
According (I believe) to Dr David Healy “antipsychotics” are 20 times more likely (than not) to cause suicide in “Schizophrenia”
I attempted suicide several times on “Antipsychotics” 1980 to 1984. I never attempted suicide before taking “antipsychotics” 1960 to 1980 or after successfully stopping “Antipsychotics” 1984 to 2020.
I recovered as a result of successfully stopping “antipsychotics” in 1984, and have remained well since.
Robert, What Might An Alternative To “Antipsychotics” Be?
From Dr Terry Lynchs Book “SelfHood”
“Paranoid Schizophrenia” Recovery through Practical Psychotherapy Explained
“…I referred briefly to Stephen’s story in the chapter on self-generated security. Prior to attending me in his late thirties, Stephen had been diagnosed five years previously as having paranoid schizophrenia.
The level of loss of the components of selfhood, including the ability to make oneself feel safe, is at the extreme end of the scale in people diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia.
He attended me to explore possible avenues of recovery. I could see how Stephen was diagnosed as having paranoid schizophrenia.
He saw threat and danger everywhere, when objectively there was none. Stephen’s level of selfhood was at rock bottom, and this was a fundamental underlying reason for his problems. His paranoia was entirely understandable as seen from his perspective, given that one of his main experiences was that he constantly felt unsafe, unprotected and unable to generate any personal security for himself. This was borne out in his second session with me.
As I mentioned briefly in the section on self-generated security, ten minutes into the session, Stephen looked terrified, and I asked him why. He replied ‘I’m not sure I can get out of this place alive’.
There were only the two of us in my office, and nobody in the waiting room. Objectively, there was no threat to Stephen, but he genuinely felt terrified for his life. He described the raw terror he felt almost constantly. I focused on enabling Stephen to progressively raise his level of selfhood. In particular, I worked with him on self-protection and self-generated security, because his lack of these dominated his life, the reason for his fear-filled thinking. I reassured him many times that in general he was much safer than he thought he was. We explored the various experiences of terror and paranoia in detail.
Stephen gradually comprehended that he was indeed much safer within these situations than he had thought. I explained to him that his terror-filled, paranoid thoughts were an outward projection of his inner fear and self-doubt. In public places, he would often have thoughts such as ‘they’re talking about me. I can tell by the way they are laughing that they are laughing at me’. Now, he realized that what he was feeling was more accurately expressed as ‘I feel extremely unsafe, insecure and unprotected right now. I feel terrified, and I’m scared that there could be threats to me here in this crowded place’.
This change in his understanding brought about a considerable shift. Previously, his thinking was preoccupied by the supposed threat that could lie around every corner. Now he was bringing his attention back to himself and what he was actually experiencing. Stephen was now aware of his own terror and inability to make himself feel safe, whereas previously he was not aware of this and instead was entirely focused on the dangers that lay waiting relentlessly for him everywhere. As Stephen was now truly aware of the role he played in his paranoid thinking, we had something substantial to work on. I used every possible opportunity to discuss self-protection and self-generated security with him.
We explored his experiences of paranoia in great detail as they occurred. Our work became firmly grounded on what had actually happened within himself and his personal space in a given situation, rather than focusing on his projections into, and his assumptions about, others and the outside world. People experiencing paranoia also experience their thinking speeding up, reflecting their terror.
Thoughts keep coming, in an ever-more-frantic cascading sequence. The person creates an entire scenario in their minds based on their initial first thoughts. The initial thought may be somewhat based on reality.
For example, a person across the bar happens to look in their direction. The person runs with this, creating a complicated sequence of events in their minds, a fantasy created under the influence of immense terror and great lack of inner safety. In a matter of minutes, sometimes seconds, they become convinced that there is a sinister plot to harm them in some way.
I used these experiences to get Stephen thinking about the accuracy of his interpretations of these episodes. I explained the futility and the dangers of attempting to read people’s minds, a habit that generally results in erroneous conclusions. He began to experiment with these ideas in areas where it really mattered, in the real world. In public places, Stephen would remember our conversations, notice how he was feeling, and whether or not he was attempting to read the minds of others.
For example, when in a bar and a paranoid thought sequence was beginning to gather pace, he was able to stop for a minute, bring his attention back to himself. He could now connect with what was going on for him, look around him, and reassure himself that at this moment, he was not in any danger. In contrast, like a rabbit caught in headlights, Stephen would previously have become increasingly transfixed by an unfolding scenario outside of himself, that he was actually creating through outward projection of his feeling unsafe.
I had encouraged Stephen to see things as they were, to resist the temptation to read into people’s actions and gestures and create his own fictional version of events. His previous pattern of projection had being going on constantly for him, but at an unaware level. He did not realize that he was doing this himself. For example, if a person looked at him and then looked left, he often concluded that this meant he was in trouble. If they turned their face to the right, it meant he would probably be okay, for now at least. Stephen believed that he was just tuning in to what was really out there in the world, but he was in fact creating this scenario himself. I suggested to Stephen that he needed to separate out the other person’s action from the meaning that he (and not the other person) was placing on this action.
I explained that he was relinquishing his power over himself to other people, most of whom neither wanted this power nor were aware that they were being dragged into this situation.
Stephen grasped these ideas and applied them in real-life situations, and in time he was able to extricate himself from his previous pattern of terror-based paranoid thinking.
We explored methods of raising his level of self-protection and self-generated security. These included repeatedly reminding himself that he lived within his personal space and boundary, that this was his space, that he was safe within this space, and that there was much he could do in any given situation to make himself safe.
When feeling unsafe, he would appraise the situation, see things and people as they were and be aware that any meaning he attached to them was entirely his creation and had little or nothing to do with other people or the situation. He reassured himself repeatedly every day that he was safe, that he could make himself safe and protect himself in any situation. When he experienced an episode of extreme fear or paranoia, he practised what we had done together many times in my office.
He separated what was really there from the story he had created, and then reassured himself several times that what he feared would happen had not actually come to pass.
This practise had the desired effect. His level of self-protection and self-generated security began to increase, slowly at first, then gathering pace. Stephen made considerable progress in raising his level of selfhood, of which, for him, self-protection and self-generated security were key factors.
You’ve really been through the wringer – but you made it!
You had to figure it out for yourself. I remember a doctor friend of mine telling me that these drugs are one of the most dangerous drugs a person can take (we were discussing Ketogenic diet and epilepsy).
This article is very informative and very helpful.
CONSIRACY TO MURDER
LICENCE TO KILL
Thanks Annette, this is a fantastic Article.
You seem very tolerant even to those people that have nearly destroyed you. You might be right in the idea that they did not know what they were doing. I have come across some dreadful behaviour myself from very experienced clinical experts.
With nearly 20% of USA Adults on Psychotropics then maybe 40% + must have sampled them at one time or another, so you’re not the only one that’s almost DIED.
This is a British Ladies Extremely Credible Near Fatal Experience on “Anti depressants”
Thank You Dr Paula,
I think I can go some way in ‘establishing’ with documentary evidence, from Registered Doctors and the General Medical Council, that ‘Mental Health Diagnosis’ is completely unreliable:-
The Schizophrenic GP & The Schizophrenic General Medical Council & The Unreliability of ‘Schizophrenic Diagnosis’
Schizophrenia is the ‘bread and butter’ of Psychiatry.
I was diagnosed as the “worst schizophrenic in Ireland” by Galway University Neuroscients in 1984, and then went on to make full recovery.
Dr David Healy wrote me a Letter in 2018 saying that I never had it to begin with. Dr Healy was present at the Psychiatric Unit at Galway in 1984 during my last very brief instay.
They often say that the man in the street is the best judge of mental illness or recovery.
In 1986 I went to see a priest/’social worker’ in London who I had previously visited in 1980 prior to admission to the Maudsley Psychiatric Hospital, and who knew me.
The Priest asked me in 1986 if I was still taking drugs, I told him that I took a little medication. He said he didn’t mean medication, that he meant illegal drugs. I told him I had never taken illegal drugs, but the priest didnt believe me. The notion of Mental Illness had never occurred to him!
By that token Corinna, if a person were to work as a waiter they mightn’t have recovered.
Dependency on the Psychiatric System might imply non recovery. But dependency on the system and treatments could be as a result of the system and the treatments.
I’m anonymous on Mad In America because my background is my own business.
I’m a Catholic and I believe my religion promotes a certain amount of suffering in life – so if you can get on successfully with your life as you describe, then you have definitely conquered “schizophrenia”!
I’d love to read another article from you on how you did conquer “schizophrenia”. Because I would be completely amazed that anyone on “schizophrenic” medication would be capable of functioning at your level. So you must have either quit medication or survived on low doses.
Anyway I hope to see you again on MIA.
About 25% of people are vulnerable 75% are not.
A lot if the ‘psychotherapy’ I got was from ‘books’ and from ‘trial and error’, and from 12 Step groups and Buddhist Philosophy.
The thing about 12 Step groups is that what’s shared in the group is reasonably safe (providing its ‘personally emotional’) as nobody can ‘grass’ another person up, because everyone one there is ‘crazy’ anyway.
I dont have much time (bar a few innovators) for Psychiatrists anyway, because of my own experience within the MH system, and my recovery outside of the system.
I dont know much about Donald Trump other than what I see in the media, but I’d be interested to see how much support he gets in the coming election.
It seems very strange to me that everythings shut down. The world has never experienced this kind of thing before – so I’m wondering what its about.
It makes sense to me to genuinely protect all those that are vulnerable from infection – but to allow life to go on as well.
I’ve heard progressive therapists state from their own experience, that nobody ever ‘breaks down’ without justifiable life history reason.
If I hadn’t been able to access ‘basic Psychotherapy’ when I stopped taking ‘Antipsychotics’, I would have had to go back on ‘Antipsychotics’ and Disability Benefit.
In my experience basic inexpensive ‘Psychotherapy’ works and ‘Antipsychotics’ disable.
Psychotherapy (innovators not included) is more or less owned by the DSM.
Hi Dr Philip, nice to see you back on MIA again.
‘Depression Delusion’ by Dr Terry Lynch is one of the best books I ever read.
From Dr Terrys book “SELFHOOD”: –
“PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIA” RECOVERY STORY
“….Stephen looked terrified, and I asked him why. He replied ‘I’m not sure I can get out of this place alive’. There were only the two of us in my office, and nobody in the waiting room. Objectively, there was no threat to Stephen, but he genuinely felt terrified for his life. He described the raw terror he felt almost constantly….
….I focused on enabling Stephen to progressively raise his level of selfhood. In particular, I worked with him on self-protection and self-generated security, because his lack of these dominated his life, the reason for his fear-filled thinking…
…Stephen was now aware of his own terror and inability to make himself feel safe, whereas previously he was not aware of this and instead was entirely focused on the dangers that lay waiting relentlessly for him everywhere….
….In contrast, like a rabbit caught in headlights, Stephen would previously have become increasingly transfixed by an unfolding scenario outside of himself, that he was actually creating through outward projection of his feeling unsafe…
…This practise had the desired effect. His level of self-protection and self-generated security began to increase, slowly at first, then gathering pace. Stephen made considerable progress in raising his level of selfhood, of which, for him, self-protection and self-generated security were key factors. Because he was doing well, his psychiatrist agreed to reduce his medication slightly, and I subsequently continued the process of gradually reducing Stephen’s medication.
…Stephen has been off all schizophrenia medication for over three years. He lives a full life, goes where he likes, thrives in social situations, and has a level of selfhood higher that at any previous time in his life….”
There’s no need for any Psychiatric Abuse.
Hallucinations and Delusions
If a person can learn to live in Harmony with their Hallucinations (as many do) – the problem doesn’t exist:-
“…When I wrote DIVIDED MINDS (under the name Pamela Wagner) with my twin sister, Carolyn S Spiro, I never dreamed that one day I would be able to write the words : voices don’t bother me any more…”
“Delusions” are generally dependent on “pre occupation” (in the same way “anxiety” is); and if they are “put down” for any length of time they Lose their Power – in the same way as “Emotional Reasoning” does.
If you exchange “SCHIZOPHRENIA” for a “NERVOUS BREAKDOWN” what do you get?
A person suffering a “Nervous Breakdown” will have the same symptoms as “Schizophrenia”, and is unlikely to recover without support.
If a person wants to overcome or cure the Above SYMPTOMS, this can be done through very straightforward inexpensive Psychotherapy; it doesn’t require the handing of a persons life over to the Psychiatric Services.
Information on how to successfully overcome the Above SYMPTOMS can also be found in inexpensive ‘books’.
All of the ABOVE Symptoms are also SYMPTOMS of “Antipsychotic” Withdrawal and Long term “Antipsychotic” Withdrawal, substantiating that “Antipsychotics” cause “PSYCHOSIS”.
The symptoms of ARMS could include
1. Intrusive and irrelevant thoughts:-
This could include 90% of all normal thought.
2. Heightened sensitivity to sounds:
According to the UK Health & Safety Exec., if a person can’t hear a conversation at 1metre distance, then the Background Noise Environment is potentially causing hearing Loss.
3. Being too literal or concrete in thinking:
The interpretation of this, can depend entirely on the Status of the Person ‘doing the thinking’.
4. Many researchers argue that these states could predict the later development of psychosis….
…On stopping “Antipsychotics”, according to Robert Whitaker, a person is likely to suffer from a condition of “High Anxiety” and its how a person deals with this that decides whether they completely recover or not.
..The ABOVE could also be described as SYMPTOMS of:-
2. Black and White thinking.
3. A person with a sense of humour
…for me when I stopped ‘Medications’ and was ‘pre occupied’; I had to stop ‘pre occupying’, and ‘sit with my feelings’ until my Anxiety subsided; – and then ‘there was No Problem’.
Thank you Dr Williams.
It actually is a Holocaust!
It’s not that important!
Thank You Magdalene,
On the Subject of “Eckhart Tolles ‘wisdom’ dissolving the DSM …”
Is it possible to be “deluded”, “anxious”, “angry”, “catastrophic”, or “depressed”, without compulsive thought?
Or is it that simple?
“Medications” are highly dependency forming and a lot of the time near enough impossible to come off.
To quote (I believe Alan Frances) “symptoms” that don’t create problems are irrelevant.
In my experience any medication “that works for mental illness” is likely to physically disable a person. There are also 100 different things that can affect anyone’s involvement in a workplace other than “mental illness”.
I think it is scientifically accepted that ‘Antidepressants’ cause suicide and homicide in a (so called) small percentage of people that consume them.
“….only reason it wouldn’t is if I had developed a different neurological problem during treatment that was unrelated to TMS…” they’ve got their ‘lines’ prepared.
There’s a tendency to think with Mindfulness and Mc Mindfulness that the only problem is inside in a person’s head, but in Contradiction the Real World Actually Does Exist.
People often recommend trusting Doctors in terms of antidepressant consumption, suitability, benefits, side effects, withdrawal syndrome etc., BUT does the doctor have a clue??
It looks like the Doctor has NOT got a clue!
(…and how could they have?)
That’s my experience.
Most fully qualified MH Clinicians in the UK and Ireland that I have come across, cannot tell the difference between:-
1. An Auditory Hallucination (outside the head)
2. Normal Social Thought (inside the head)
And they’re not too bothered either!
HOW ABOUT THIS
Seemingly, from the WHO, Exposure to the Covid 19 Virus could give very little natural immunity, BUT the “VACCINE” (in transit) could.
ALSO FROM THE WHO
“..Fluphenazine came into use in 1959. The injectable form is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines, the safest and most effective medicines needed in a health system.[..”
M Shear 1983 Allen Frances
4 out of every 10 people on this drug attempt suicide. Doctors and Researchers consider it acceptable to “bury” these suicides and to attempt to “bury” those that expose the dangers.
“….schizophrenia, outcomes – in terms of rates of hospitalisation and homelessness, levels of distress and suicide, and overall wellbeing…”
There’s quite a lot of hidden recovery from “schizophrenia” in the UK – people that drop out of the MH system, enter into the “main frame” and remain consistently well. I know a lot of people like this and I believe Dr Joanna Moncrieff has written about this phenomenon.
Schizophrenia is supposed to be a long-term chronic disorder worse than paraplegia and Full Recovery – presents a problem.
Even though there is no compulsary ‘medication’ consumption in Ireland a lot of people are put on long-term Injections and never recover – as a result.
Irelands largest export is Pharmaceuticals and some people pay for this with their lives.
Its Very Frightening!
We’ve had “lock down” in the UK for the last few weeks, with 24hr Corona Virus News Saturation. Then suddenly Care Homes get mentioned, and it’s reported that deaths of 4,000 people have not been recorded in the official figures…
..What’s the point in Having a “Lock down” if about 30% of people dying are trapped in “Death Machines”.
… not just in the UK
I don’t blame you. The system is extremely convincing. I’m even almost taken in myself when I watch the ‘caring promotions’ on television.
You’re a great writer yourself. I’m going to look out for both of these books.
As regards ‘Attachment Theory’ I can remember seeing the picture of the little monkey in a cage with its dummy mothers and I thought it was very cruel. I’m concious of ‘Attachment’ myself, but in a ‘Buddhist theory context’ which has a totally different meaning.
The Pain Body from Eckhart Tolle is an interesting phenomenon:- https://www.newworldlibrary.com/Blog/tabid/767/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/438/DISSOLVING-THE-PAIN-BODY-An-excerpt-from-THE-POWER-OF-NOW-by-Eckhart-Tolle.aspx#.Xpgwhx7TUwA
I believe this man could completely Dissolve the DSM with a tiny pamphlet from his own wisdom.
You have definitely opened my eyes in this article to a few things that I knew existed but hadn’t investigated due to the lack of available information.
‘Emotionally Insecure’ Parent is a term I’ll remember.
The psychologists and professionals seem to think that they’re experts on human nature, but I’m not so sure about that!
From what I can see the Spiritual Interpretation you describe is likely to work.
There’s no real blame in the Muslim approach which makes everything a lot easier – in terms of recovery. Plus there’s an expectation that a person will completely recover.
A lot of the time myself, I try to depend on intuition and once I’m in Grace I can trust this guidance. But when I’m in fear my thinking is of no value to me.
(I believe Nigeria has probably the highest “Schizophrenic” Full Recovery Rate in the World).
The only thing I can say, is that IF the Country wants to move back into Full Production regardless of the Corona Virus and the amount of people that ‘Might / or Might Not’ DIE as a result – is that there is an effective International PRECEDENT in Covering Up deaths in Mental Health, and this could be UTILIZED.
We’ve already seen a bit of this in the UK with thousands of people dying in Care Homes and not being accounted for.
It seems like a lot of indigeneous people would sooner be dead than live a “western life”. And that they often kill themselves prematurely to avoid this.
It makes sense in the ‘real world’, that any substance that makes a person feel better, will eventually make them feel worse.
It’s the same for the alcoholic, eventually the alcohol ‘stops working’.
The only people that recover from “Schzophrenia” are those people that Reject Psychiatry and the Bio Medical Disease model of “Schizophrenia”.
Am I right or am I wrong?
On Mad In America we have examples of these recovered people that have gone on to become Psychologists and Psychiatrists.
A person doesn’t have to suffer from ‘Schizophrenia’ to become ‘Psychotic’ as a result of stopping ‘medication’. This can happen to any person.
I attempted to Kill myself several times while on ‘Medication’, but never before starting ‘Medication’, or after successfully stopping ‘Medication’.
I recovered as a result of stopping ‘Medication’, but if I wasn’t able to do this successfully (as I initially wasn’t), I would still be judged to be ‘Chronically Schizophrenic’ (…or Dead).
But even after carefully stopping strong ‘medications’ I still suffered from a ‘Long-Term High Anxiety’ condition that I had never suffered from prior to starting ‘medication’.
Thankfully, I learnt how to survive this terrible condition in a somewhat ‘similar manner’ to what Eckart Tolle eloquently describes, in ‘The Power of Now’.
First 3 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous –
1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol – that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him
“..The World Health Organisation has described schizophrenia as a “leading cause of disability, and more disabling that paraplegia or blindness in 18-35 year olds….”
“….Those interviewed included people with a wide-range of diagnosis, including schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder and depression….”
Thank You Kawthar Alli,
This makes complete sense to me:-
“…The last theme highlighted the role of Islamic psychology and spirituality in exploring the subjective meaning of Jinn. According to Islamic psychology, humans are spiritual beings that have an innate divine guidance called fitrah and can receive spiritual inspiration through the Ruh (soul), which has the ability to transform the self.9 However, this can become blocked due to being distracted by the worldly life and due to mental distress, which can lead to a loss of purpose. Skinner⁹ stated that the aim of Islamic psychology in therapy is to help the client open parts of themselves (especially their spiritual heart) that may have become closed off from consciousness, and reconnect to God. This highlights that Muslim therapists working with Muslims have the advantage of being able to go beyond the unconscious and delve into the spiritual self of the client. This synchronicity is likely to enhance the therapeutic relationship…”
I don’t know if this sad story fits in here:
“…For several weeks now, I have been waking in the night with feelings of intense anxiety. I constantly monitor myself for symptoms of a possibly fatal illness. I can’t concentrate very well, and my usual ways of coping don’t seem to be working. I feel a bit safer inside my house but I also feel trapped….”
I know what you mean by this, I’ve experienced feelings like this myself, but not this time over the Corona Virus!
Most people I mix with are responsible, but don’t seem too upset, and the other people I mix with are speculative it’s a “conspiracy”. This lock down though, could in the long term “materially” change a lot of ordinary people’s lives, for the worse.
I don’t judge you at all, and I think your contribution is very worthwhile.
It’s only comparatively recently that I have come to view “psychiatry” as Fraud – while I was drug dependant I believed in it.
It sounds like a potentially very threatening environment though.
In Ireland (as far as I know) psychiatric drugs cannot be forced on a person outside of hospital, so if someone remains legal they can avoid drugging. However the “medications” are often in injection form, and if a person stops taking them the reult is often ‘rebound insanity’.
Psychiatric Drugs are certainly not good for a person’s health and I thought I would never get off them, but I did.
I’m enjoying the isolation of the Corona Virus at the moment, I’m trying to get back into running in the park, and the temperature is 25 degrees Celsius today in London.
I know lots of people who redesigned their lives after
long breaks and very long breaks and in advancing years.
Even today I find the ignorance around psychiatric drugs, “diagnosis” and “Mental Health” really frustrating.
Thanks for the great Article.
I believe medical treatment in the US is mostly private and all people without the economic resources are not going to get very good care.
Thanks for the informative article Lucy,
I believe I’ve read articles from John Crace in the Guardian, and watched him speak at a Maudsley Debate:
“…..I wake up early and for a brief nanosecond all is well with the world. Then my mind turns to….the reality of the coronavirus pandemic. Anxiety electrifies me. It’s not just a sense of existential dread, …”
I wake up early most mornings, and expect to wake “anxious”. I focus on my body and eventually the anxiety does reduce. Half an hour later I can’t even clearly picture what I had been “terrified” about, BUT if I was to get into it at the time, I know it would become very real.
I found my solutions that seem to consistently work, outside the official and funded system. I don’t know what life is like for anyone else, but I think a lot of people might have experienced similar to me. I’m not a great Fan of “Mental Illness” either.
I didn’t worry too much about the virus initially, until a medical friend of mine told me that the serious stages can be very uncomfortable. My heart goes out to anyone in this dreadful position.
” Imagine if you had schizophrenia—that concern or suspicion could turn into frank paranoia.”
In my case it’s turned into “frank boredom”.
I was diagnosed as the “worst Schizophrenic in Ireland” – until I stopped taking my ‘medication’.
And after 30 years of complete recovery I caught my GP in London claiming for me as a sick person – even though I hadn’t cost a penny in 30 years!
“….managing anxiety about situations we don’t control…”
A friend of mine said “…people can’t cope with powerlessness…”
Poor Boris Johnson (UK Prime Minister) is now in Hospital Intensive Care struggling with the Corona Virus:-
BBC News – Coronavirus: Boris Johnson moved to intensive care as symptoms worsen
When Dr Christiaan Bernard first began heart transplants many years ago, I heard a story about some boys from another school, regarding a heart transplant trial they claimed they carried out on two mice (that they managed to catch).
According to the boys, they removed both hearts from both mice and exchanged them. And the result was that one mouse died on the spot, but the other mouse leapt to its feet and ran off. Nobody believed them, but it was a good story!
Tich Nich Han says that Christians hope to find heaven in the next life, but Buddhists can find great happiness in this life.
There is no such thing as Schizophrenia.
Example:- 2nd Generation Afro Caribbean man nearly 10 times more likely than white Uk man to be diagnosed with Schizophrenia.
Can’t be realistic.
It’s not necessarily a blame thing!
The last MH doctor I had contact with in Ireland many years ago , now a psychiatrist in the UK, recently, (following a visit), reformulated my ‘MH Diagnosis’ to a ‘Misdiagnosis’, which I believe would be appropriate, as my MH recovery was genuinely due to stopping MH treatment.
According to UK MH statistics, a 2nd Generation Caribbean man is about 10 times more likely to be diagnosed as ‘Schizophrenic’ in the UK than a generic white man – which CANNOT be realistic.
But very few ‘diagnosed’ people ever manage to break free from the system. Most ‘diagnosed/misdiagnosed people’ eventually become chronically ‘schizophrenic’, and die in middle age.
Because there’s a big cover up job.
GPs were prescribing these drugs in good faith (without full relevant information). If the drugs go down then the GPs go down as well.
I believe SSRI s (contrary to other drugs) were promoted as safe during pregnancy when there was no evidence to support that they were, and that ‘depression’ was promoted as a ‘dangerous illness’ when most of the time its not.
There are lots of young people around that mightnt be disabled with “autism”, but are not 100% – which matches up with the common use of antidepressants in the past 20 years.
Congratulations and thanks for the article, (I’ll study it carefully).
I suffered ‘very high anxiety’ when I tried to come off ‘antipsychotic’ medication suitable for “schizophrenia”.
I was okay refusing ‘antipsychotics’ at the beginning (of my psychiatric career in 1980), but when I tried to come off them some years later in 1984 – I was incapable.This is why I believe that ‘antipsychotics’ cause “schizophrenia”.
But I was able to stop taking antipsychotics at a disabling level, and very gradually reduce from there.
‘High Anxiety’ though remained a problem:- I was plagued by “circular catastrophic never ending preoccupations”.
What I found through trial and error was that, if I was able put the ‘preoccupations’ down:- I’d eventually come out onto the other side, and then my “head” would (magically) be able to deal with whatever had been “bugging me”.
Buddhism has spiritual techniques that work similarly – ‘Detachment’ leads to ‘Equanamity’.
Eckart Tolle is another Genius. His recommendations work.
Diet and exercise and meditation, are thankfully not too difficult for me.
Experts say that when the “Brain” is exposed to “antipsychotics” – it tries to come back to normal; and to do this the dopamine receptors become more sensitive. So when the “antipsychotics” (that block dopamine) are removed – the person can go “chemically” mad.
I completely came off all medications many years ago, and my Anxiety levels are also now very low – most of the time.
With birth control and advanced technology, there is no such thing as a genuine shortage of resources. Theres more than enough to go around (- even enough for some people to have more).
It needs to be said that this Epidemic could result in a culling of vulnerable people. Those Labelled “mentally Ill”are generally in poorer health (as people at the most discriminated level generally are) plus the fact that they are likely to get the poorest standard medical treatment.
[Even though I’ve been well for the past 30 years; in the last few years I have come across some diabolical “attempted taking advantage of”; which I have been prepared to challenge].
The native Americans said that they didn’t like the white people because they looked needy all the time and they treated each other badly and that they thought the white people were MAD. The Native Americans also said that nobody could OWN the land – they couldn’t.
The situation now is that one group of people believe they should own everything, even when there is more than ENOUGH for everyone, especially with the advances in the TECHNOLOGY of Supply and Production.
There is NOW no shortage whatsoever, in Resources.
I’ve got enough toilet paper to last me a few more days, but I don’t know what’s going to happen after.
Thank you Paula,
“..In the United States and other countries that have a military, there is often a great deal of talk about supporting veterans, but way too often, research aimed at learning what will be helpful is misguided and can even be harmful…” …very harmful!
I hope I’m not too far off topic!
I suffered from neuroleptic withdrawal “PTSD”; and It often took the form of “Anxiety” or “High Anxiety”.
This type of Advice from Eckhart Tolle really works:-
“…I have a long-standing and deep curiosity about the phenomenon of psychosis…”
What would you describe as psychosis?
Why don’t pharmaceutical companies just tax Americans, instead of poisoning them?
What is the rationale for the fact that there’s so much more of it going on now?
The rationale might be that there are a lot more people around than are needed and a long-term mentally disabled person doesn’t need to be provided with a non job to keep them busy.
“…The majority of people taking antidepressant medications have never had major depressive disorder…” I’d say that, that’s about right.
These people run the risk of developing serious iatrogenic damage and disability. They could very well become chemically psychiatric as a result of following Medical Advice.
The symptoms of street drugs can match “schizophrenia”, and the symptoms of alcohol withdrawal or alcoholism can match “schizophrenia”. But these situations can be very successfully and quickly dealt with in 12 Step Programs – unless “other parties” want to capitalise.
‘Antipsychotics’ can definitely create positive symptoms of Insanity (Akathisia). The negative symptoms of “schizophrenia” are equivalent to ‘complete demotivation’ – what ‘antipsychotics’ are designed to create.
I notice on inspection of Patient Information Leaflets for SSRIs like Lexapro and Prozac that the information is very vague and confusing.
Patient Information Leaflets.
If the Patient Information Leaflets clearly described Akathisia, or Serotonin Syndrome, or Tardive Dyskinesia – then the consumer would know what to ‘Watch Out For’. But they don’t:- they ‘go around in circles’ in such a way as to ‘successfully mislead’.
And this has resulted in an increase in USA health and life expectancy?
What’s happened to the profession of “Psychology”.
Why are they “lying down” when it’s not in their interest?
With “Schizophrenia” – the only Genuine Recoveries that have have come about, have been through “Psychology”, and other non pharmaceutical approaches.
My good luck was that I could tell when I was in a state of Acute Akathisia. Each time the Acute Akathisia followed a medication introduction, medication change or a medication discontinuation.
Though expressing this did not make me popular.
I was looking through Kanye Wests biography as he has been topical recently, and I noticed a lot was made of his brief (as described) “Psychosis”, which I thought was a bit ‘over the top’ considering his artistic background.
Seemingly he takes an SSRI which is a drug that is more than capable of causing “psychotic appearing” behaviour (in a minority of people). I find it strange that this does not seem to have been taken into account.
But maybe it wouldn’t be the thing to do.
I agree with you, and I wish I could describe things in such articulate terms.
BBC News – German police arrest man over high-speed rail tampering
When this man ‘messed around with the tracks’ he was arrested for Attempted Murder – and rightfully so.
There’s nothing funny about doctors playing around with pharmaceuticals and people’s lives.
Thanks for this contribution Will and Rachel.
I can identify with your disappointment at College. I felt the same way about the potential of Psychology when I was young. But Practical Psychology worked for me, when I was coming off ‘antipsychotics’ and suffering from terrible Anxiety.
In this (so called) Study UK born Afro Caribbeans are nearly 10 times more likely to ‘suffer’ from “Schizophrenia” than a UK traditional person. This can’t be realistic:-
I know that Psychiatric Drugs cause Disability and Illness and that coming off psychiatric drugs Can be very difficult, and that Doctors in Mental Health tell lies all the time – and I can prove this:-
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Thank you Dr Lawrence
MENTAL ILLNESS EXPLAINED
SCHIZOPHRENIA:- Disabling Anxiety is usually the problem here, when “medication” is halted. But its possible to see this as a type of “transference”, and to reduce it by 90%.
DEPRESSION:- Life can be full of stress and unhappiness, and ‘mental illness’ goes some way in describing this.
BIPOLAR:- When unhappiness burns itself out, an extreme happiness can temporarily take over.
ADHD:- The clients are completely normal
BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER:- This is a scam.
But look at how corrupt Doctors are in MH in the UK, and how corrupt the UK General Medical Council is:-
“Over 95% of all SMI cases were perfectly sane until ….”
“Judges” have a tendency to ‘believe’ doctors, even though psychiatric ‘medications’ have been proven to cause – even homicidal and familicidal lunacy.
As far as I can see Buddhism has a lot of merit attached to it and can definitely increase happiness in life. Rufus May Doctor of Psychology in the UK (and ‘recovered person’) uses Buddhist techniques with success in his “schizophrenic curing” Work.
I don’t have opinions on Scientology because I don’t know what it is.
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‘Why don’t you want to take your medication?’
This a complete dead end question.
Psychiatry often double speaks completely normal behaviour and I notice other official people have a tendency to back this up.
I was raised a Catholic in Ireland in the 1960s and I don’t have strong opinions on Catholicism but if someone in Irish society today had strong opinions (usually “anti”) – It would be considered very normal.
Lots of people seem to have strong opinions on Scientology – which which is also usually considered to be normal.
Generally speaking Buddhist spokespeople like Richard Gere are considered normal – even though they might be very “preoccupied” with Buddhism.
GPs ‘now’ prescribe these drugs so they’re bought into responsibility with Psychiatry for outcomes, even though they mostly were not informed of the capacity of the drugs.
If the drugs go down then GPs go down.
It looks to me like things are opening up a bit in the UK (and Ireland) regarding the problems with “antidepressants”
BBC News – ‘My anti-depressant withdrawal was worse than depression’
I don’t think the BBC would represent this type of article, even a year ago.
I think the momentum is due to patient and persistent human rights campaigning.
Unfortunately sticking to their guns means killing children; when these children could ultimately overcome their gloom.
I think I’m a good example of someone who can reliably “say” that “antipsychotics” cause “Schizophrenia” as the circumstances surrounding my Original (1980) Diagnosis were quite odd, the Formulation was odd, and the History was factually inaccurate.
The original UK (Diagnosis Formulation) Doctor “committed suicide” around 2000, and the original Irish (Diagnosis Formulation) Doctor was barred from practising medicine within 6 months of this “suicide”.
I ended up in hospital several times (1983/84) when I attempted to discontinue “antipsychotics” and was more seriously diagnosed each time.
The prescribed depot “medication” had been causing extrapyrammidal disability, and when I stopped taking it, I was able to return to normal work and a normal longterm life (1984 – 2020).
I can describe the psychological means with which I was able to deal with ‘drug withdrawal syndrome’ when I came off “antipsychotics” – which was similar to a Step No 3, in a 12 Step Fellowship.
I don’t believe in “Schizophrenia”. I don’t believe drugs like Cannibas cause “Schizophrenia” – they might cause ‘fuzzy thinking’, which usually abates with discontinuation.
Dear Dr Peter,
Its too big a scam to be allowed to collapse and there’s lots and lots of money changing hands. At this stage we’d need to Prosecute entire National Medical Councils and I don’t know if this would be likely to happen.
We don’t compulsararily trust Priests in Ireland, and we need to take the same approach towards Doctors (for common sense reasons).
“….psychiatrists are the only people in the state who can have anyone locked up without their having committed a crime and can do so with impunity…”
And sometimes without evidence.
CoronaVirus + Social Justice
I have viewed a very informative corona virus, Joe Rogan interview, featuring epidemology expert Michael Osterholm
Who stated that in China most older men 70 yrs + smoked, and those infected with the Corona Virus had a 10% chance of dying; while most older infected (non smoking) Chinese women had a much lower 2 % chance of dying.
Michael Osterholm stated that In the USA smoking wouldn’t be a great problem; but OBESITY affecting 40 yr + males would present serious problems, affecting the death rate.
According to the todays Sunday Express, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, has ordered all 70 yr + people to stay at home, but has NOT placed a similar enforcement order on middleaged OBESE men.
..and doctors are covering up.
But unfortunately in Ireland there are quite a few people already locked up in the Central Mental Hospital for “dangerously acting out” on “antidepressants”..
…evidence of this Suppression is that the Psychiatric Drug Treatment is NOT presented by the Defence as the most likely cause for the Defendants Behaviour.
[..It is Medical Fact that Psychiatric Drugs can drive Normal People MAD enough to Kill their Loved Ones..]
“Antipsychotics” themselves cause “Schizophrenia”, I “relapsed” several times when I was given permission to come off them abruptly.
But when I tapered very carefully, I was able to make full Recovery from “Schizophrenia”.
The drugs can drive people MAD but people are not being adequately warned.
When the drugs cause suicide – “..it’s just too bad..”
and when the drugs cause homicide
“..the person is charged with murder..”
Where is the Corona Virus on Mad In America??
I’m just curious.
I’m not all that expert on “Depression” but “Anxiety” is a good one for me. Anxiety is also I believe quite close to depression.
Anxiety is not an illness. Anxiety responds to straight forward psychological approaches that can be accessed organically (i.e. without professional contact). And what works for Normal Anxiety also works for Extreme Anxiety.
“Depression is the same as Diabetes” is in my opinion just “Silly Talk”.
I thought “Mental Illness” was a figure of speech, until I noticed medical staff with very serious and dedicated expressions on their faces promoting it as true. God help us!
Italians are naturally a very soft hearted people, as are Americans.
There is Good News.
I know lots and lots of people that have experienced feral upbringings and extreme hardship that have completely recovered with the support of Independent Self Help Groups.
One reason is because these drugs can drive some people completely MAD.
People recover from “Psychosis” all the time with the help of basic Psychotherapy.
Mad In America produced a Webinar earlier in the week on this subject, which is now available on Utube:
Dr Rufus May in the Webinar places a strong emphasis on “Buddhist” techniques, which seem to work for a lot of people.
I saw the Webinar and it’s also up on Utube,
Rufus has a great way about him, and I learnt a lot from the programme.
There was nothing mysterious involved. It was very straightforward.
I can prove that neuroscientists researching frantically for a cure for “schizophrenia” cannot tell the difference between akathisia and “Psychosis”.
I can prove that these neuroscientists would sooner kill psychiatric patients than acknowledge recovery from non chemical means.
I can prove what I say from my own historical and present day medical records.
“…believe it or not! ways of working with ‘delusions’ / unusual beliefs…”
This is fairly straightforward Psychology. How many people are in the wrong job?
..Even this can be “Psychosis”
BBC News – ‘My anti-depressant withdrawal was worse than depression’
It depends on what you call “Psychosis”…
If a person earns a “Good Living” from “Psychosis”, then anything can be “Psychosis”.
Autism and not exactly Autism.
I’m just reading the rest of the article now – and some of it is very sad!
It’s good to see you writing on MIA again!
Thank you Noel,
This article brings my history home to me. I was going around the place under the influence of compulsive anxiety practically all the time. But thankfully it’s not like that at all now.
The anxiety was drug withdrawal induced and therefore quite irrational to any “counsellor”. I learned my own ways of coping (which worked).
As a Catholic I never expected to be happy, so life is in a sense a bonus.
“…. I am also grieving the life I will never have, isolation and poverty…”
I hope not! I hope your life turns out very well.
There was a time when a graduate education guaranteed a person a good income. Does this still apply today?
We know the score:- More people recovered before the arrival of medication than after the arrival of medication; and more people moved back to independence; and life expectancy was more or less the same as average.
Most people that earn a good living do it through funny handshakes, there’s not much difference between a welfare check and the average wage packet.
In the UK most of the welfare administrators, are on supportive welfare themselves.
It’s only common sense! This is where the whole thing should be going!
When something like this happens in Ireland, not once is Akathisia mentioned.
“Cult like” is exactly right!
According to “Mental Health”, if you suffer from “Bipolar” – there is no cure.
I got my Practical Psychology ‘organically’:-
Dr Wayne W Dyer (author of ‘Your Erroneous Zones’) was one of the innovators I studied.
Its very important as well, that Psychologists don’t “milk” the system at the expense of the “sufferer”.
“….the most direct and powerful condemnation of psychiatry and psychatirsts that I’ve ever seen coming from within the industry. …”
It’s the only way to do it!
“Deteriorate” is probably a good word.
According to Dr David Healys Historical Research 1896 to1996 at North Wales: A hundred plus, years before the ‘arrival of medication’ a ‘Schizophrenic person’ was NOT more likely than the average person, to take their own life. But that a ‘Present Day Schizophrenic Person’ ‘consuming medication’ is about 20 TIMES more likely than the average person, to take their own life.
Every hospitalization I experienced at Galway, Southern Ireland (bar the first) between 1980 and 1984 was a ‘suicidal event’ for me. But after (very carefully) coming off strong psychiatric drugs in 1984, I experienced no more hospitalizations; no more ‘Suicidal Events’; and no more Disability.
In my estimation Dr David Healys Historical ‘Morbidity and Mortality’ Research and Dr Joanna Moncrieffs Historical ‘Recovery’ Research combined, are Scientifically Groundbreaking.
The combined Historical Scientific Research clearly demonstrates that ‘Psychiatric Drugs’ administered in ‘UK Psychiatry Today’ are NOT helping ‘Patients’, but Disabling and (Mercy) Killing them.
What this Valuable Research Article seems to support is that more people recovered from ‘Schizophrenia’ before ‘medication arrived’ than after.
You have it in one. “…that MEDICATIONS ARE MORE LIKELY EXACERBATING THE PROBLEMS OF TODAY!..”
The way I DEALT with my ‘antipsychotic’ withdrawal “HIGH ANXIETY” was to FOCUS on how my BODY felt, and NOT on my THINKING.
WHEN my Anxiety SOFTENED, there was NO PROBLEM; and I KNEW what TO DO.
SITTING WITH FEELINGS is NOT EASY – BUT IT WORKS.
Thank You Dr Joanna, this article is very worthwhile.
Wunderink L, Nieboer RM, Wiersma D, Sytema S, & Nienhuis FJ (2013):-
In this Study I believe 40% of the dose reduction or discontinuation group made ‘Recovery’, and 17% of the Maintenance dose group made ‘Recovery’.
I made Recovery in 1984 as a result of carefully withdrawing from depot medication (with the help of practical psychology). Dr David Healy was there at the time.
(I was originally ‘diagnosed’ in 1980).
“…He believes that all diagnoses of schizophrenia are “misdiagnoses”.
“Schizophrenia doesn’t tell you anything meaningful about the cause of people’s problems, the content of their experiences or their outcome – the three things that a diagnosis should do. It’s a ragbag category. It needs to be scrapped.
I had a psychotic episode; unconscious material was coming up which was meaningful and related to my emotional past. Madness is a creative response to pain.”…”
No. The Western Ego needs to be extincted.
Hi Ron, This is a great topic. You explain the subject very clearly.
It seems to me that there are mostly two types of ‘delusions’: fear based, or ambition based.
I can understand a person thinking people are watching them or have planted microchips in their brains, if they have been on the receiving end of extreme intrusion. But I notice people can be ‘pathologically’ intrusive anyway, even as groups.
A friend of mine (who works in Mental Health) told me that that sometimes neighbours harass people to such an extent, that they only leave their houses at night.
I see ‘delusions’ as ’emotional reasoning’ – when my head is away from an idea, and I look at it again, I see it ‘rationally’. I have to do this all the time.
This Jordan Peterson Utube video is a departure on the antidepressants – it’s about a change in diet bringing miraculous results.
I think the very unfortunate situation Jordan Peterson is in, can easily be compared to ‘the end of the line situation’ for any person exposed to Psychiatric Drug Dependency Treatment.
If it wasn’t for his ‘position in life’ he mightn’t still be alive. …
…Or he might even be diagnosed now as “Schizophrenic”.
Anxiety Withdrawal was my main problem, and Will Halls advice on this is much the same as Dr Rufus Mays. And it works.
If you take your meds you remain psychiatric. But coming off the meds is difficult.
…”Borderline Personality Disorder,” “Schizophrenia,” and “Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder”…”
Every person I have ever met with “Borderline Personality Disorder,” has been a really decent person – with anything but a disorder.
“Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder” I’ve got a friend and he’s got 6 children and he maintains that even the Dalai Lama would find looking after 6 children difficult. Normal children have a lot of energy.
‘Daily Mail’ Article on February 15/16, 2020
I support the idea that drugs make people sick. I used to support Psychology (because I had good experiences) but I realise now that this system can be abused as well.
The whole Idea about heavy metal I thought, was to go ‘crazy’!
THERES NO SUCH THING AS LEGITIMATE “MENTAL HEALTH DIAGNOSIS” IN THE UK:- AS PER GMC
LICENCE TO KILL
Even though there is no Death Sentence in Western Europe – A person can be literally killed in Psychiatry.
With any other ‘medicine’ the evidence of illness can be seen on the chart, and can’t be played with. But with Psychiatry a ‘doctor’ can invent anything they want, and this will be backed up by the next ‘doctor’.
Below is a example of what I’m saying:-
The Doctor I refer to in my Letter in the LINK (above) might be a decent enough person – but with his hands tied behind his back.
Eckhart Tolle:- Break Free From Fear And Anxiety
(This approach works)
Try this one out
“..so that we can invest our money in curing therapies…” even the most basic Psychotherapeutic principles can cure the so called “major mental illnesses”.
Psychiatric Drugs are profoundly disabling – even, for people that have been misdiagnosed or were not mentally ill to begin with.
Exposure to Psychiatric Drugs can cause ‘Mental Illness’ even in well people, through the creation of changes to the brain.
“Schizophrenia” is a Serious, Long Term Disabling Disorder.
“Schizophrenia” was a Serious Long Term Disabling Disorder for me for about 5 years, until I carefully stopped medical treatments “suitable ” for “Schizophrenia”.
Most people in the Western World have eating problems. Most people in the Western World consume food that will eventually kill them.
It was Hitler himself (I believe), who put an end to the Psychiatric Killings.
I love his lectures as well!
“…He used to defend antidepressants, so I hope he comes with a different perspective after this event….”
He might very well.
My impression in the UK is that “the mooted right wing Newspaper”, the “Daily Mail” is very fair in its representation of “Mental Health Treatments”.
I don’t believe ‘antipsychotics’ make people safer, I believe on balance that Psychiatric Drugs make Society a lot more unsafe.
“…People with horrible personalities who unwarrantedly hurt people who have done no wrong to them, who consistently lie etc..”
I’ve witnessed some dreadful game playing within the Mental Health System in the UK, and the total incapacity of any complaint system, and I have only been on the Mental Health periphery. I’ve witnessed doctors in telling outright lies and covering up for other bent doctors.
But I also have a very tricky (though very dated) history, and this might be why I’m coming across this type of medical uselessness.
My natural tendency is to defend myself and I have been doing this to the best of my ability and resources.
You have it in one!
Apologies:- for wrongly spelling the UK Researchers Name, (above):- It is Professor Martin Knapp of the LSE ; NOT Professor Robert Knappe
OVERCOMING ‘SCHIZOPHRENIA’ THROUGH COMING OFF ‘ANTIPSYCHOTIC’ MEDICATION
‘ANTI PSYCHOTIC’ & DISABLED
I was Disabled in Ireland between 1980 and 1984 while I co operated with Psychiatric Drug Treatments. When I consistently complained about the problems with the treatments, I was eventually offered the option of abrupt (neuroleptic/antipsychotic depot injection), discontinuation.
Between December 1983 and April 1984 I experienced 4 hospitalizations one Suicide Attempt and one almost Suicide Attempt.
By April 1984 my Diagnosis was one of very Severe and Chronic Schizophrenia.
VERY CAREFUL DRUG TAPER
After this, I decided to Taper very carefully from the
(‘Antipsychotic’) injection, with oral medication.
With reductions in ‘medication’, I was no longer disabled and was able to came off ‘disability payments’, and move into independence.
DRUG WITHDRAWAL SYNDROME
I suffered from “Neuroleptic Withdrawal High Anxiety”, and I would have fallen back into the ‘hands of Psychiatry’, if I hadn’t found effective ways of dealing with it.
At this time I had a type of Realisation. I was able to recognise that I was suffering from a High Anxiety problem and figure out what to do about it. And this Approach has worked for me in the Long Term.
‘HIGH ANXIETY’ PROBLEM & SOLUTION
1. When I was overwhelmed with High Anxiety
– I wasn’t able ‘to think my way out’.
2. If I could stop trying ‘to think my way out’
– the High Anxiety would eventually balance off.
3. When the High Anxiety balanced off
– I was OK, and I knew what to do.
4. When the High Anxiety returned
– From past experience I knew how to deal with it.
I have not claimed Mental Health Disability Benefit nor been admitted to a Psychiatric Hospital since 1984; and have not consumed any Psychiatric ‘medication’ in many many years.
It also took many years to adapt to the Withdrawal Anxiety.
“…The worst symptom for dad was akathisia. Akathisia is an absolutely god awful condition where the person feels an incredible, irresistible restlessness, and an inability to sit still. It was so severe he was suicidal…”
‘Anti Psychotics’ are extremely disabling.
POTENTIAL SAVING TO TAXPAYER
The saving to the Taxpayer of full Recovery throughout a person’s working life can be calculated at about £3 million (per recovered person)*.
*Professor Robert Knappe of the LSE has previously calculated the cost of SMI/per person/per year/to the taxpayer at £65,000.
*(£65,000 × 45 years of non disability equals about £3 Million).
….It’s Deadly Medicines & Organised Crime.
It’s the “Amygdala”. Once the Amygdala is activated ‘the worst thing is going to happen’ – for anyone.
“High Anxiety” is what drives people back on to neuroleptics when they try to withdraw.
The High Anxiety is Automatic, and if it’s Automatic it’s a symptom of Withdrawal.
The terrors of Neuroleptic Withdrawal were worse for me, than any previous Anxieties I had ever experienced.
Can a blood pressure drug help ease the painful memory of an ex? – https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51317388
“…Memories, their neutral, factual elements, are saved in the brain’s hippocampus. But the emotional tone of the memory is saved in its amygdala…”
I suffered from PTSD (High Anxiety) as a result of exposure to Psychiatric Drugs. But It is possible to overcome this – without drugs.
If I hadn’t been able to overcome it, I would have had to return to the drugs.
Dr Jordan Peterson
If you look at how terrible this mans experience is, you can see how Ill Equipped the best Western Medicine is in the area of psychiatric drug withdrawal.
I underwent my ‘disaster’ in the 1980s in Galway Southern Ireland. Where I nearly died (more than once) in the process of attempting to withdraw from psychiatric drugs.
I was able to come off Neuroleptic medication, but I had to do this extremely slowly over a number of years (not abruptly in one go).
I also had to learn to psychologically adapt to coming off the drugs, because my brain didn’t come back the same.
I support your view that you’re being sabotaged, medicine is supposed to support humanity not create human misery.
After the Irish Election I don’t know where Sinn Feinn who came out strongest stand, on ‘Mental Health Equality’ – they are strong on Housing, Social Issues and the Health System.
At the moment they’re in talks with the Greens and others looking to form a coalition.
These drugs are rapacious creditors they take a lot more than they give. ‘Psychiatry’ is all about double speak.
This is what’s needed:-
“….Of greater importance is what the centre calls “mindcrafting” – a blend of meditation, counselling and Jungian psychoanalysis. Its aim is to rebuild the patient’s self-esteem and give them the “strength of mind to keep one step ahead of others in the context of globalisation, with its rapid development of information technology and the rule of money and stress.”…”
Thank You Leah – this is very worthwhile news.
Coronavirus kills Chinese whistleblower doctor –
“….A Chinese doctor who tried to issue the first warning about the deadly coronavirus outbreak has died…”
American Doctor Warns –
“…As early as post-Columbine in 1999, psychologist Peter Breggin warned ..”
“…about a possible connection, as one of the shooters was taking the antidepressant Luvox at the time…”
Medical Journalist Warns –
“….Here are just a few of the headlines that have appeared:
“The Neglected Suicide Epidemic”—The New Yorker
“The Unseen Epidemic”—Baltimore Sun..”
Renowned Psychologists Daughter Warns –
“…It’s been noted in other studies that married people – of all sexualities – are less likely to die by suicide..” I think there might be exceptions.
‘..The medication almost killed my dad..’ ,
I believe her.
Bonnys Obituary is not a time for grievance.
I completely support the idea of ‘the non existence of schizophrenia’ as a medical illness. The only people that genuinely recover, do this through non medical means.
Your Article refers to Dr David Healys Study suggesting a 20 fold increase in ‘Schizophrenic Suicide’ with the introduction of strong psychiatric drugs.
You also mention an overall increase in Suicide with an increase in Psychiatric medicine in Society:-
At the moment in Ireland there is a Epidemic of Suicide/Homicide/Familicide being carried out by Completely Normal People taking Psychiatric Drugs as an aid to coping with Modern Day Life Stress.
To make Society safer surely these drugs should be taken off the market.
The anxiety does ring a bell. I was talking to a friend of mine (a doctor) about Psychiatric drugs causing mental illness and he was cynical.
And then he related his own experience to me with a skin medication (most Irish people are prone to skin problems), which made him very anxious, but he said it was the chance he took, as it is well known that certain skin medications can cause High Anxiety.
This is you:
A Pennsylvania native, Laura holds a BS degree in Business from Virginia Tech. She’s always had a passion for business, investing in the stock market and becoming the owner of a small fashion accessory business while still a teenager. Among other things, she has worked for four Pennsylvania government agencies and been employed as an analyst and manager in the consumer packaged goods industry…’
I was medically described as a ‘hopeless Schizophrenic’ in 1984; and this is a ‘non medical’ description of me referring to the same time period:-
I believe Mindfulness Works through Detachment. When a Person is Detached they see Things with ‘Equanamity’ – which is always Positive.
I like Articles that offer solutions.
I’m definitely looking forward to studying your:- http://www.kirism.com/
“….despair, high anxiety, distractibility, demoralization, the experience of hearing voices, a strong individuality, or one or another of countless more—…”
I suffered from some but not all of these symptoms as a direct Result of Psychiatry; and it took me a long time to overcome them!
I did find some philosophies effective in my struggle for peace. For example, I was able to identify my ‘High Anxiety’ as ’emotional reasoning’ – and figure out ways to reduce it.
‘….75% of people hate their jobs..’ – this is probably true, (though I have enjoyed most of the jobs I’ve done).
The Treatments cause Suicide and Homicide.
CULTURE OF DENIAL
Culture of “denial” allowed breast surgeon to do unnecessary operations on hundreds of women, inquiry finds
It is medically accepted that ‘anti depressants’ can cause Suicide but medically maintained that more lives are saved by ‘antidepressants’ than lost.
Homicide is on the other side of Suicide, but when this happens, ‘nobody’ knows what to do.
People are looking for Alternatives (Irish Election)
Latest poll suggests Sinn Féin has overtaken FG and FF
It’s the cruelty….
It’s not surprising to me that Carl Rogers would avoid Diagnosis – because the only way to help someone in counselling is to concentrate on what they need help with.
I think ‘Diagnosis’ is obstructive.
“….I was told I would have to take mind-numbing Thorazine-like drugs for the rest of my life…”
Mental Health Diagnosis is mostly a play on words, and the idea that psychiatric drugs are medicine is rubbish. But if a person says this, they can become very unpopular.
If maybe 15% of the population are taking SSRI s, would Hospital Emergency Staff know anything about AKATHISIA??
From Twitter (Vincent Bennett) 1Feb 2020 22:14
“…The mother who is alleged to have murdered her three children last week presented to Tallaght hospital on the day before with suicidal thoughts and was sent home. Mental Health services in Ireland are grossly sub standard, will you make it a #GE2020 issue on the doorstep???…”
Exactly what I did 36 years ago complaining of being suicidal as a result of Adverse Drug Reaction to recent drug exposure, and WAS admitted by the Charge Nurse (who overrode orders).
My experience was that I nearly went MAD trying to come off neuroleptics, it took me years to come to a position of balance.
I don’t think there is such a thing as a genuine illness of ‘Schizophrenia’.
SCHIZOPHRENIA: EARLY WARNING SIGNS
1. ZOLOFT MENTIONED IN FIRST MINUTE
2. ZOLOFT NOT MENTIONED
No Death Penalty in Alaska for murder
There’s no Official Death Penaly in Ireland or England in MH, but there is a ‘Licence To Kill’
(I can prove it)
“…According to a NICE draft guidance (PDF), J&J’s own economic model suggests an average price of about £10,550 ($13,720) per course for Spravato before any discount…”
Someone intends to make a lot of money.
The Article title says it all.
I was actually looking for the kindle version of The Zyprexa Papers, but at least I know now that its coming out.
I think some of these ‘psychiatric controllers’ must be psychopaths, their behaviour is really nasty.
Peter Goetzche has supported the idea that Psychiatric drugs do more harm than good, and (I believe) that even ‘Schizophrenics’ can Recover without consuming them, with support from (even) non professionals:-
But this is exactly true, and has been reliably recorded many times on Mad In America.
Probably the only Genuine Recovery from ‘Schizophrenia’ has been through rejection of the Psychiatric Drugging Approach and there is plenty of solid evidence to back this up.
Hi Ayurdhi, this is a good subject.
You’ve got the medical top dogs in charge, connected up with pharmaceutical, political, and financial interests – and the ‘professionals’ underneath are the serfs. And if they rock the boat they won’t eat.
The top dogs decide what the illnesses are, and what the cures are. And the politicians controlling the public funding – fall in line as well.
The corruption has been around a long time, it’s obvious, it’s visible – and it’s Blatant.
AKATHISIA:- Drug Toxicity Levels
“… a study published in 1982 reported that when a group of patients with schizophrenia were each given 20 mg of fluphenazine, the difference between the highest and lowest blood level of the drug was 40-fold. …”
M. SHEAR; ALLEN FRANCES; PETER WEIDDN
We will: “MAKE AKATHISIA A HOUSEHOLD WORD”.
What nearly kills a person, can be just a passing event.
(I’m amazed at the avoidance you describe, even though I shouldn’t be).
100 years ago Suicide wasn’t much of a risk in ‘Schizophrenia’ and Life Expectancy was much the same as average.
Are MH Doctors Allowed to Set Up Situations Where Patients Get Killed…?
… Or Am I Getting Things Wrong?
The starting off point is Denial Of Reality.
Dear Dr McLaren,
‘Dangerous’ is the term used to describe Irish doctor, Dr Ivor Browne, who can turn ‘Long Term Mental Illnesses’ into Recoverable Events (without medication).
The Bio approach doesn’t work that’s why “Schizophrenia” is classed a long term Mental Illness, characterized by enduring disability, physical ill health, and early death.
The only people with “Schizophrenic” Diagnosis that I’ve heard of genuinely recovering, have managed to do this through the non bio approach, and rejection of the bio approach. So, for me it’s straightforward.
Treatment induced Akathisia was the worst experience of my life.
Currently, in Ireland theres an Epidemic of Homicide and Suicide, by peaceful people with no original Mental Illness, who’ve been prescribed ‘anti depressants’ by their doctors for ‘modern day life stress’.
When people on ‘antidepressants’ ‘Act Out’ the community is often alarmed and confused, and underlying serious mental illness is often promoted by the ‘experts’.
If 15% of people in Ireland take ‘antidepressants’, this would translate into maybe 300,000 people. If even 1% of this figure were prone towards Acute Akathisia this would translate into maybe 3,000 people, and this is where the Epidemic comes from.
Solution to Homelessness in Finland
In Western Europe what ‘disadvantaged’ people might expect (and receive), is help with decent housing but not incarceration in secure buildings.
‘Licence to Kill’ might be a good description for the phenomenon. I believe I can substantiate from my own records that this practice is widespread:-