Sunday, July 22, 2018

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  • I don’t think I even need to read the article to know what my criticism is. “Alcoholics Anonymous”, starting in the 1930’s, was key to publicizing the DISEASE CONCEPT of alcoholism. A.A. NEVER said, explicitly, “alcoholism is a disease”. One of the co-founders of A.A., on his deathbed, said to the other, “Let’s not louse this thing up.” He meant, “avoid professionalism”. Calling it “Alcohol Use Disorder” is merely professional name-calling, and still constitutes STIGMA. It’s bogus. I’d suggest that anybody seriously interested in alcoholism needs to read the original AA-approved literature, for a better understanding. Going to a few, or even many, A.A. meetings, is NOT sufficient. Working the 12 Steps is the heart & soul of A.A. recovery. Sadly, even many alcoholics either will not, or can not, completely give themselves to A.A.’s simple program. And I’ve met damn few “professionals” who even begin to have a clue, either. I don’t care if you DO have a Ph.D. You either know, or you don’t. And most don’t, although they *think* that they do….
    Ah, the arrogance of over-educated ignorance….
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • I think that I understand what you’re saying, and I’m in general agreement with you. But I do want to expand on something you said. You said, “It’s just so painful to look at ourselves…”… Well, yeah, I see the truth in that, but can you see how that’s also the problem? We keep perpetuating the idea that honest and thorough self-examination is somehow “painful”, and “difficult”. It may in fact be, and often is. But it doesn’t *HAVE* *TO* be that way. I’ve lived by a quote I learned in A.A. meetings: “You’re only as sick as the secrets you keep.” The idea is that a *willingness* to talk about whatever needs to be talked about, goes a long, long way towards health and healing. No, that doesn’t mean we need to always be blabbing everything to everybody. It means having both ACCEPTANCE of our own painful experiences, and others. And it means a WILLINGNESS to confront and work through them. We can do it ourselves, with friends, or with professionals of various kinds. This process is also like the Mahayana Buddhist concepts of “attachments’, and freeing ourselves from the bonds of these attachments. If I had stayed with psychiatry and psych drugs and the so-called “mental health system”, I’d probably be dead by now. It was lots of A.A. meetings, working the 12 Steps, The Dalai Lama’s Buddhism, and a couple of excellent clinical psychologists which really saved me. But none of it would have worked without my own acceptance of myself as I was, and willingness to work for something and someone better. A better future me. My life still pretty much sucks, but I’m a happy man anyway!

  • It might seem counter-intuitive, and it is, but some of the most “loving” (seemingly) homes and families do the most damage to children. These families create the APPEARANCE of being kind, normal, loving, nurturing, etc.
    Everything LOOKS good on the outside, and to the public. Plenty of food, clean clothes, toys, etc., But it’s all a charade, an act, a play. Behind closed doors, the relationships within the family are TOXIC. And who are the VICTIMS? The children. These are the kids most likely to get a bogus psych “diagnosis”, and DRUGS….
    Their parents usually have plenty of $$$, and INSURANCE!….
    What a scam psychiatry in particular, and medicine and PhRMA in general, have become.
    Money, power, control, and greed…. Oh yeah, the ignorance of propaganda, too….

  • Eric, Eric, Eric. It’s so simple, really. But we humans, especially the better-educated, and the more intelligent of us, always seem to want to complicate things. What we call “psychosis”/”psychotic” is a state of mind that is not rational or logical. So, being “not rational or logical”, we can say it’s “illogical”, and “irrational”. With me so far? Good. Now, how do we UNDERSTAND these illogical and irrational states? Well, we can *TRY* to understand them logically and rationally, but we will inevitably fail to understand them logically and rationally, because these states of mind *themselves* are illogical and irrational, remember? So our only hope of understanding them is to understand them illogically and irrationally. But we can’t do that, because we’re not “mad”, or “mental” or “demented”, or whatever. It is only when we begin to understand that so-called “psychosis” can only be understood illogically and irrationally, that we begin to make progress. Trouble is, all those quack shrinks, and cops, and court staff, and agency workers, are mental simpletons. They are ONLY capable of thinking and understaning in ways that THEY consider “logical” and “rational”, and “psychosis” doesn’t fit in those categories. Ultimately, some experiences just don’t make sense. At least not completely. And we ALL need to learn that, and accept that. That’s only logical, and rational. Screw “AOT”!

  • So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT more REAL. So-called “mental illnesses” have no objective reality, – they ONLY have subjective reality. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. The DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the bogus “diagnostic” allegations in the DSM-5 were INVENTED, – not “discovered”, – to serve as EXCUSES to $ELL DRUG$. Real people can have real problems, but imaginary, totally subjective “mental illnesses” shouldn’t be part of that. Speaking of suicide and psych drugs, we can NEVER know exactly what role psych drugs did, or did not play in MOST suicides. Not even Harvard Medical School (just for an example), has access to the data needed to study the role of psych drugs in suicide. If psychiatry were truly a REAL SCIENCE, and not a fraudulent scam of a pseudoscience, data on psych drugs would be painstakingly compiled and studied. But look at the “medical system”, – they do NOT want accurate data on psych drugs and suicide. Sure, you can say “correlation is not causation” until you’re blue in the face, but the evidence is vast and compelling. PSYCH DRUGS KILL, either acutely, through suicide or homicide, or else chronically by life-spans shortened by as much as 20 or 30 years or more…. There’s another factor which doesn’t get near as much exposure and consideration as it should, and would, *IF* psychiatry was anything other than a fraud drug racket: Why has there been NO organized clinical research on who should, or should not, be given psych drugs. I have never heard any psychiatrist or researcher say what would happen to a “non-mentally ill” person who took psych drugs for an extended period of time. Wouldn’t they become more mentally healthy than normal? Why not?…. etc.,…._____________________________________
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. And Dr. Kelly Brogan, MD, is one of the rare exceptions which prove the rule. Even she admits that she no longer believes what she was taught in medical school, – that psych drugs “fix” something, and need to be taken for “LIFE”. “Taken for life” is a LIE that was invented solely to $ELL DRUG$. My own personal journey from life-long psych sickness to whole healthy happiness includes read Dr. Peter Breggin’s “Toxic Psychiatry” in the early 1990’s. What Dr. Brogan says here has been confirmed in my life, and many others, too. “Third Path Psychiatry” is a darn sight more hopeful, human, and HEALING alternative than anything the American Psychiatric Association has to offer! KEEP UP the GOOD WORK, Kelly!

  • Oh, I don’t know. Seems 2 B *PLENTY* of room for *LOTS* of yada,yada,yada,blah,blah,blah, about delusional “left/right” politics, so called “capitalism”, “socialism”, etc…. To quote Bob Marley, “I’m sick and tired of your ISM SCHISM…..”….
    1.No new A.P.A. memberships. As older members die, the A.P.A. does too.
    2.No DSM-6. Ever.

  • Faulty logic. Yes, “labeling and drugging is at levels never seen before”, but that does STILL NOT mean that so-called “capitalism” REQUIRES it.
    No, it’s not I who have “turned reality upside down”. Maybe it’s YOU who is standing on your head? At least your eyes are open. Major corporations are dropping advertisers, in reaction to public outcry, over things like the recent Laura Ingraham/David Media-Hogg bruhaha. Several companies have pulled funding related to the NRA, etc., Of course, the basic bedrock of Wall St. remains largely unaffected. But social, political, economic, and other types of change are *PROCESSES* over time, not instant events. It’s easy for the radicals to imagine abrupt, extreme change, but reality rarely works that way. Nature is EVOLUTION, not “revolution”. And, the “GREG B.’s”, the Global Ruling Elites and Global Banksters are well underway to eliminating literally BILLIONS of people. Don’t you know about Bill Gates, the Global Depopulation Agenda, U.N. Agenda 21 & 30, the Georgia Guidestones, etc., etc.,…????….
    As for “evidence”, it’s right here on MiA. There IS a “shortage” of psychiatrists, especially child psychiatrists. (The ideal number of psychiatrists is ZERO, so saying “shortage” is either sarcastic or facetious.) Nevertheless, as more people learn about the stupidity of psychiatry, and the excesses of PhRMA, fewer people are going in to Medical School to become psychiatrists. Look on >youtube< for psychiatry career videos. The comments are as much as 90 – 95 to 1 ANTI-psychiatry. Psychiatry is MUCH LESS respected in the minds of the general population, that the lame-stream media will ever admit. But you're free to imagine that psychiatry is in fact more powerful and pervasive than it is. I just think that's a defeatist mindset. And hardly worthy of a true warrior. Only nobody can defeat an invincible foe.
    Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It's 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. Why conceive of, and conceptualize it as immortal and omnipotent? I say psychiatry is weakening and dying.
    I'm calling for NO NEW A.P.A. memberships, and NO DSM-6…. Wanna CALL with me?
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • Yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah. Psychobabble and gobbledygook waving a hammer-and-sickle flag. *YAWN*. Can you guess I have a DISSENTING opinion, Richard?
    First, “capitalism” certainly *allows*, even “facilitates” the authoritarian excesses you decry. But it does NOT *require* them. I believe that capitalism is slowly becoming more humanized, even as it becomes more un-equal. Remember, capitalism is an ECONOMIC system, not a political one. As to the “exponential” growth of psychiatry’s “power”, I’d say that’s your own confirmation bias talking, Richard. Or have you not noticed that there has been effectively NO COMMENT from psychiatry these past few weeks, after the latest Florida mass-casualty school shooting? And NO mention of psych drugs. The shooters medical records have been sealed. If psychiatry had the power you delusionally believe it to have, why are the psychs biting their tongues so hard? There are “shortages” of psychiatrists. How can that be, if psychiatry is as powerful as you claim. You’re free to believe that psychiatry and capitalism are “inextricably linked”, but that only YOUR OPINION. It’s not a *FACT*. I can easily see capitalism jettisoning the dead weight of psychiatry. And soon. Your attitude and beliefs are too negative, and defeatist. You give psychiatry more power than I believe it deserves. You seem to justify your beliefs based on your decades of radicalism. Well, Richard, I say minds, diapers, politicians, and beliefs should be changed often, and for the SAME REASON!…. Relax. I’m NOT following you. I’d rather see victory. To you, the end of psychiatry is the vision of a distant future. To me, psychiatry is eroding day by day. I really like you, Richard, but I still think you’re just a tired old crank stuck in the 1960’s. Never hurts to have a few of those around. Remember, Richard, I’m one of psychiatry’s surviving victims. It’s been over 20 years, but I still remember the special hell of psych drugs. I’m glad you don’t. I’m disappointed, though, that you don’t even call for the closing of the APA to new members, or for them to issue a firm “NO DSM-6” statement. Oh yeah, those are MY ideas…. See what I mean? You spout alarmist clap-trap, and I posit actual possibilities…. Maybe you should toke a doobie or something, before you reply….
    Sincerely fondly,
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • Generally, I think this is a pretty good idea. I can support it. My comment would be to plan a re-write of the questions next year. Give the current set of questions a year, and as many people as you can get to use them, and see what’s what next year. I suspect there will be BIG changes in the next year.
    And GOOD LUCK with the whole endeavor!

  • Wrong. Astrology has several thousand years history behind it.
    Psychiatry is 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins.
    Astrology has far more credibility that psychiatry can EVER have!
    Psychiatry DOES call its' DRUGS "medicines", and "meds", but that's about all
    it has in common with actual Medicine.

  • Remember, Phil, the DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the so-called “diagnoses” in it were invented, and NONE were “discovered”.
    Do you see what I did there, with the distinction between “discovered” and “invented”?
    And BTW, that HDRS is a 100% subjective reporting form for subjective responses as related by anecdote. In other words, the HDRS *itself* is arbitrary and subjective. So, they’re using an arbitrary and subjective scale to measure *something*, – what people SAY, about how they FEEL. There’s no room in the HDRS for ANY medical, lab, blood tests, etc., See what I mean? You can word it better than I can….

  • Thanks, Sera! At “”, I went to the link list on the left side, and read a number of the links, such as “schizophrenia & suicide”, “LGBTQ & suicide”, etc.,
    There’s a memorial page, and that’s maybe where I saw the “suicides become angels” line. Hey, for all *I* know, suicides *DO* become angels. I’m not Roman Catholic, but my understanding is that suicide precludes going to Heaven. For all the material on “”, it’s funny how it ALL seems written by that Caruso guy. There’s little, if anything, written by anybody else. Given the many names he *claims* to have on his team, I’d expect more writings by others. It looks like a one-man show, and is very creepy. I wonder how many suicidal people have been “pushed over the edge” by the website? I’d hate to stumble across it if I were truly suicidal! And the actual suicide rate *after* forced/involuntary treatment should say more to the system than it does. I can easily see a person committing suicide to avoid ANOTHER forced incarceration/”hospitalization”.

  • Every time I read an article like this, it only confirms what I already KNOW! Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. Years ago, now, I was working very closely with an excellent licensed clinical psychologist, and a general practitioner/family doctor. For over a year each, I tried “Wellbutrin”, and “Zoloft”. As far as I’m concerned, they were both a waste of time & money. My psychologist said he, “thought they might have helped somewhat”, but he couldn’t be sure! The other psych drugs I’d been given earlier definitely did me far more harm than good! The longer I stay away from psychiatry and psych drugs, the more whole, healthy, and happy I become! Gee, Doc, what happened to my “mental illness”….????….
    For extra credit points, try to find even *ONE* mass-casualty school shooter who was documented to NOT be on psych drugs, especially antidepressants…. Go ahead, I dare you!….

  • Well, I went to that “” BLACK HOLE. You’re correct, Sera, it’s a *BLACK* *HOLE*…. What a load of schmaltzy, smarmy clap-trap! Pseudoscientific gobbledygook and psychobabble. Gee, I didn’t know that anybody who commits suicide becomes an *ANGEL*! They don’t actually say “angel in Heaven”, as far as I can see, but I guess that’s what they’re implying. Repeatedly I see the mantra of “get help”, and “get treatment”. But, funny thing, I see NO detailed discussion of exactly what that “help” and “treatment” actually *IS*! (Well all know it’s neuro-toxic drugs, and sitting and talking with “clinicians”, and being dragged off in handcuffs by cops if you’re unlucky enough to get that “help” and “treatment” BY FORCE, um, I mean “involuntarily”.)
    I had a good friend die by suicide last year, and it was very unexpected, to me, anyway. It was a shock to the community. The person was VERY well known locally, and there was a very large group of people at the funeral service. But the local paper refused to use the “S” word. The State, and local “authorities” refused to use the “S” word. Even months later, “died by their own hand”, or some such nonsense, was all they would say. But I cried, and grieved, just as much as if it had been a car crash.
    What I saw, after my friend’s suicide, was a VERY SICK COMMUNITY, that does NOT want to talk seriously about *ANYTHING*. Denial, avoidance, silence, shame, **STIGMA**. That’s what creates suicide, and perpetuates it. And that shame and stigma is keeping the pseudoscience drug racket of psychiatry going, too. If it wasn’t for psychiatry and it’s DRUGS, we’d have a much healthier society. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. I’ve had both a psychiatrist, and a psychologist, both of whom I worked with personally, later commit suicide. Ironic. Toxic irony. That’s psychiatry and the mental health system for you!….

  • Craig, I’ll pick up that metaphor right where you dropped it! (First, it’s a given that psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. the DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. All of the bogus diagnostic allegations in it were invented to serve as excuses to sell drugs, and bill insurance & the Gov’t, i.e., Medicaid & Medicare)
    So given that “clean slate”, we wouldn’t build ANYTHING on it! We’d leave psychiatry, *AND* the so-called “mental health system”, right there on the scrap-heap of history, where they BELONG! Most so-called “mental illness” is largely built on dysfuctional parenting, and ACE’s, combined with a generally sick society. (That’s NOT to “blame parents”, they themselves were raised by parents who were raised by abusive, dysfunctional parents, etc., We can break the cycle at any point in time. Why NOT NOW?) The system as it exists today, exists largely to cover up physical and sexual abuse, and “blame the victims”, and to serve as a means of both social control, and employment. The so-called “mental health system” serves post-industrial fascist capitalism in a couple of ways. It puts excess workers on “disability”, which makes them more dependent on Gov’t, which thus makes a large, powerful Gov’t at least *seem* more necessary. It provides employment to those who would otherwise have supervisory, or administrative jobs in factories which either no longer exist, because they’ve been outsourced overseas, or become obsolete through automation. This dynamic also explains the complex, convoluted, wasteful billing process, which is deliberately Byzantine, and the fact that there are 2 paper-pushers doing “billing” for each hands-on medical person, i.e., Dr., or Nurse, etc. And of course, there’s the DRUG RACKET aspect of the so-called “mental health system”.
    All of these factors COULD BE addressed, in the absence of psychiatry, simply by building entirely new social structures, where the Gov’t, and Insurance pay people to simply DO things TOGETHER!
    Sorry, Craig, but NO!, we do NOT need to “replace” psychiatry. We need to KILL IT OUTRIGHT. DEAD.
    After all, it’s *human*, it’s gonna die someday, anyway.
    (And, above, that “good diet, sound sleep, mindfulness, nutrient, etc.,…is MUCH harder in the current paradigm than it needs to be. That’s why the current system gets such poor results. Duh.)
    It’s NOT a “healthcare maintenance system” we have now, it’s a SICKNESS CREATION system….(Duh x2)…
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • In defense of Tom Strong:
    I think you’re basically a “good guy”, who means well, and wants to help people. But that’s not enough, Tom. Especially not if you’re gonna write here at MiA. As good a person as you are, I think you’re also self-deluded as to the “Nature of the Beast” within which you work. There *WERE*, after all, Nazi concentration camp guards who had wives, children, and pets. I’m sure there were at least a few guards who enjoyed petting the family cat, playing with the family dog, and watching the children laugh and play. Of course, all that good stuff happened when they were off-duty from guarding Jews in the death camps. So when you come here to MiA, you’re not talking about *US*. You’re talking about YOU. Sure, you love your patient “pets”, and client “children”, but you’re part of an EVIL, FASCIST system that has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. Yes, I’ll say it as explicitly as I can.
    “Psychiatry and the mental health system are as evil as Nazis and Fascists.”
    If it were possible to *FORCE* psychiatry to answer the question below, what do you suppose they’d say?
    “If what the psychs say is true, that psychs & psych drugs “help” people, then how does psychiatry explain the fact that the more psychiatry we have, the more so-called “mental illness” we have?”
    I know I’m really not so clever by asking these questions.
    Psychiatry will answer the way they ALWAYS do. they will simply **LIE**.
    But still, I wonder what *YOU* have to say, Mr. Tom Strong? RSVP?__________________?………….?…

  • I’m glad to see your comment here, “littleturtle”! I missed this article last month, and so I didn’t see your comment. I believe you when you say you were helped by a psychiatrist. Not all psychs are bad people, and they don’t always hurt people. I think that “Slaying_the_Dragon”, above, was speaking about psychiatry as a whole. That shouldn’t take away from your personal experience. You really are one of the lucky ones, especially in the long-term. Too many of us here at MiA, myself included, were very badly hurt by psychiatry. So we condemn the WHOLE of psychiatry. But even a very bad person can do a good thing, at least once in a while. I like reading your short comments. They always make me think. Thank-you, “little turtle”!

  • “The boundaries of bipolarity have been expanding over the past decade.” <-from the linked-to article….
    I love that line! It's such NON-SENSE! Such PSEUDOSCIENCE! There are NO such thing as "boundaries of bipolarity". So-called "bi-polar" itself is an imaginary concept, or set of concepts, if you prefer. As such, it has NO objective reality. And "diagnosis" of "bi-polar" is at best an OPINION. There is no *objective* way to prove, or disprove, so-called "bi-polar". "Bi-polar" is exactly as "REAL" as a present from Santa Claus, but not more real. To look at a collection of reported "behaviors", or 2nd-, or 3rd-hand anecdotes, and claim to be able to "diagnoses" somebody as "having" "bipolar" is the height of medical hubris. And medical fascism.
    But let's get back to those alleged "boundaries", shall we? These erstwhile, PhD-level "researchers" *claim* that the "boundaries" of (so-called) "bipolarity""have been expanding". Astronomers claim that the Universe is expanding, so maybe that's why? And, just how does one *measure* those boundaries, to determine whether or not they are in fact "expanding". How do they know that that "expansion" isn't just an optical illusion? And, if it's "expanding", doesn't that mean that it's either getting hotter, or else under less pressure? What's that? Ideas and concepts don't follow the scientific laws of physics? Yeah, I know, that's what makes psychiatry a *PSEUDOSCIENCE*! DUH!….

    On another note, poor Zenobia Morrill! I have to wonder if a comment or 2, – above,- is directed at/about her? I think she did a solid "A" job on her written review of the article. She wrote as objectively as she could, and she refrained from the type of editorializing that we MiA regulars like to engage in.
    What I'd most like, is for an actual psychiatrist, or one of the Guild's apologists, to comment and critique on what we've written here in rebuttal. I say "bi-polar" is INTELLECTUAL FRAUD, and there's no such thing.
    How can any psychiatrist, or Zennobia herself, defend this non-sense.
    C'mon, Zenobia! I say, "There's no such thing as "bipolar disorder". How do YOU reply to that?….
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • Once, many many years ago, an actual, real live psychiatrist tried to give me the diagnostic allegation of me (supposedly) having a “uni-polar disorder.” Imagine that! I couldn’t even qualify for a BI-polar disorder! I must be retarded, or something. But I sure fixed that quack shrink quick! I quickly developed a full-blown TRI-polar disorder, which quickly merged with my latent quadrophrenia to become a quad-polar disorder. Then he said I was being “grandiose”, so just to keep him happy, I escalated into an over-full-blown POLY-polar disorder.
    (The quack shrinks don’t like to admit this, but because of the multiple “Axes” that the pseudoscience of psychiatry uses, you CAN develop even an omni-polar disorder, although a simple multi-polar disorder is usually a safe bet.)
    *THINK* about it! The word “polar” *itself* implies *2*! So saying “bi-polar” is redundant! And, there’s no such thing as a “uni-polar” disorder. The 2 poles are a function of the DUALITY, and as anybody who’s read even a little Buddhism knows, our whole entire world is based on DUALITY, – night/day, hot/cold, wet/dry, male/female, etc….
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • How can we get Derek Summerfield to actually READ these comments, and respond to them? I want to make explicit, what Summerfield comes close to, but just doesn’t see. He’s basically saying that so-called “depression” is an invented, “Western” intellectual concept, that is claimed to be a real, live, actual “disease”.
    Psychiatry has no more global validity that we *imagine* it to! And, to whatever extent we *believe*, or claim that it has some kind of global validity, it only has that validity IN OUR MINDS, simply because we CHOOSE to BELIEVE it! So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. I’m pretty sure there’s no Santa Claus in Mongolia.

  • Tim Murphy was a *psychologist*, not a psychiatrist. I was actually *helped* by a small group of licensed clinical psychologists, who were NOT connected to psychiatry & the local “Community Mental Health Center”. They actually helped me get off (most) psych drugs, too. So i will always give psychology *some* credit. But psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins.
    But as for the psychologist Tim Murphy, he did so much damage, that he may as well be a psychiatrist….

  • This is a serious question, “oldhead”. Why are you so attached to labels? Why are you so enamored with the whole “left/right’ delusion? Why are you so attached to vague, nebulous concepts that you were taught in school? Don’t you see that “left/right”, “liberal/conservative”, and even “capitalism/socialism” are ALL exactly as “REAL” as so-called “mental illnesses”? That so-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus? WHY are YOU so ATTACHED….????….
    Probably, as usual, you’ll ignore me. But I had to try. Jesus and Buddha both sent me to liberate you from your attachments…. JC says you still won’t be saved, but it’ll earn you some brownie points, and gold stars!
    Seriously, *WHY* are you so attached to increasingly obsolete delusions?
    RSVP? BTW, I am neither “leftist”, nor “liberal”…..

  • There doesn’t need to be ANY “blame” placed on ANYbody. Blame itself is a problem we don’t need.
    “Self-judgement”, along with loneliness, self-criticism, and rumination absolutely ARE the responsibility of the person, not the clinician. Yes, you’re correct, in that the psychs and their neuro-toxin drugs usually do more harm than good. That’s especially true with the pseudoscience of psychiatry.
    One of my best friends is very “depressed”, and admits as much. She’s an incest survivor, was given Electro-Cution Torture, (“ECT”), years of psych drugs, lots of “diagnostic labels”, etc.,
    And she’s her own worst enemy. She has internalized all her victimization, and now she victimizes herself.
    The local quacks at the “Community Mental Health Center” are complicit in her abuse of herself.
    So you tell us, “Someone Else”, *WHAT* should she do? What can anybody ELSE do to help her, as long as she refuses to help herself? Sure, you can say we need to “blame” the catalog of billing codes, the DSM, and “blame” the psychs, but how does that help my friend help herself? I say it doesn’t….

  • I have been puzzled for *3 weeks*, now! The first sentence of your comment, above, just doesn’t make sense to me. I think you maybe mis-wrote what you intended to mean. I’m unclear as to what you really mean by “discourage(s) consumerism”, and “profit margins”. You’d think that “Capitalism” would WANT productive folks working and earning profits for the bosses, but there’s also the problem of de-industrialization.
    As good manufacturing and supervisor-level / management level jobs are outsourced, and shipped overseas, so-called “healthcare”, and Gov’t jobs are expanded to take their place. More sick folks means fewer working at REAL jobs, but also more job creation in “healthcare” billing, and healthcare products. I’d say the system WANTS more sick folks and disabled workers, and Gov’t employees in various “agencies”, and Gov’t funded “helping professions”. It’s in the Gov’ts best interest to have MORE people dependent on it, not fewer. So whatever weakens and sickens the people, is good for, and strengthen the Gov’t. Is that about what you’re saying?

  • Psychiatry is a sexist pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. When you translate Amy Barnhorst’s psychobabble and gobbledygook into plain English, her ignorance of men and boys, and her failure-to-treat, becomes apparent. This is not surprising. Psychs are NOT at all concerned with helping children become healthy, happy, independent, fully functioning adults in a healthy society. As the social parasites and Trojan Horses which they truly are, psychs such as Amy Barnhorst are really only interested in $elling drug$, and advancing their own narrow, selfish Guild interests. Of course they would object to this most honest characterization. They delude themselves, and strive to delude others, into thinking that they “care” about “society”, and “persons”. Rather, like the pre-programmed automatons they truly are, they only care about the facade, the image. The CON. About making money for PhRMA, and lording power over vulnerable persons. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. If psychiatry were truly able to help boys and men, then all the guns in the world wouldn’t result in mass-casualty school shooters.
    In other words, what Amy Barnhorst and her ilk are saying here is, : “We psychs have NO idea what makes young men violent, what to do about it, or even how to identify them. We’re basically useless social parasites.”
    But that’s what *I* started off this comment saying about psychs. Thank-you for proving my point in your own words, Amy Barnhorst. Why don’t you try to get your fellow quack shrinks to see the LIGHT, also….????….
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • Atlas Obscura has become my latest internet “goldmine” find. I can strongly recommend EVERYbody to check it out, and sign up for their daily emails. …. Touring abandoned State mental hospitals is only a minor one of AO’s many greater delights!

  • The scariest thing about this study is how much sense it makes.
    Am I correct, Sadie Cathcart, that *you* yourself wrote the above report on Simoni’s research?
    After linking to the Simoni study, I believe that’s correct.
    No offense meant, but BOTH Simoni’s study, and your report on it, are almost complete and utter psychobabble and gobbledygook.
    So-called “ADHD”, being essentially a present from Santa Claus, is equally “real”, simply because college-
    educated persons *SAY*, and *BELIEVE* that it’s real. Hence, it has no objective reality, and has ONLY subjective reality. It’s telling, that older educators, and non-white educators, are less likely to have swallowed the ADHD drug bait. As society continues to swirl down the toilet, at least we’re not wasting water flushing nothing….
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • Well, “FeelinDiscouraged”, you hit the nail on the head in one case! “Dad” became a vocal local leader in NAMI, and the family was so glad to blame their “designated patient”/scapegoat, rather than deal with a harsh truth.
    But also, I’d like to see the whole issue of incest treated as less of a life-ruining trauma. Not trying to make it acceptable, just make it easier to deal with, and less likely to occur. There are also many non-evil psychs, deep in denial and ignorant, who also don’t see child abuse for what it is. “Clueless idiots and patsies”, YES!, that’s what they are! LOL….

  • You remind me of a line I came up with years ago:
    “The way my brain works does NOT constitute a “mental illness””.
    If I say, “They used to call it “manic-depressive psychosis”, or “manic-depression”….
    You know exactly what I’m talking about, but *WHAT* is that *IT*?….
    I say that the normal variations of human existence and expressions, in human society, using any given language, are such that some folks will *seem* *mental*. This is usually the result of some type of abusive, or dysfunctional upbringing. (That is NOT the same as saying “it’s the parents fault”, or whatever….)….
    Also, in our culture, we have invented the concept of “mental illness” to serve as an excuse to sell drugs.
    And control people who are perceived as difficult, challenging, or threatening….
    So “BD” is exactly as “real” as a present from Santa Claus, but not more real.
    And the DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes….
    And there’s lots of people running around thinking they’re unicorns…..
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • I think you’re making a very big cognitive and logical error in your thinking, because of the emotional bias triggered by your media-enforced hatred and contempt for that “evil NRA”. You seem to be saying that the NRA & guns *cause* shooting crimes. I say that’s non-sense. That’s like saying “cars cause drunk driving crashes.” Think about it. Guns do NOT *cause* gun crimes. We could have 10x the number of guns we do now, but almost no gun crimes, if we could just figure out what is the trigger that triggers the trigger finger.
    People can “worship”, and “adore”, and “fetishize” guns, and even become obsessed with shooting guns(legally). But using guns in gun crimes, and especially mass killings, must be caused by some combination of whatever innate human quality results in homicide, – and has since prehistory. That, plus drugs or alcohol, which are consumed into the body, and become *part*of* the body, in ways that guns simply can not. Guns might *allow*, or even *facilitate* mass shootings, but guns do not *cause* mass shootings, and I don’t think you get that.
    And, there are lots of other gun-rights organizations, besides the NRA. The NRA has over 5 million members, and they are hardly a homogenous group. The defense of the 2nd Amendment is more important to most of them, than making a few bucks for some gun manufacturers. Besides, lately, there’s been a spike in both NRA membership, and gun sales. The lame-stream media WANTS you focused on guns & the NRA, and AWAY from psychiatry & psych drugs. I have literally seen NO mention of psychiatry and psych drugs in the last 2 weeks, in lame-stream media. Did you notice that CNN’s “Town Hall” meeting had NO PhRMA advertising? You didn’t, did you?

  • Dr. Pies must be suffering a very severe case of cognitive dissonance. He’s contorted his brain and thought process far beyond pretzels. But seriously, how long can any sane, rational person twist, spin, and distort his thoughts and words, and still keep a straight face? We must accept that Pies is a Grand Master of psychobabble and gobbledygook. This isn’t even funny anymore. It’s just sad and pathetic. Giant slices of SAD and PATHETIC PIES….
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • I first read Dr. Breggin’s “Toxic Psychiatry” in the early 1990’s. I was already beginning to “wake up”, and Dr. Breggin helped open my eyes, and splash cold water on my face. I agree 99% with everything Dr. Breggin says here, typos and all. I have noticed in the past couple weeks, that lame-stream media will NOT touch the topics of psychiatry and it’s poison pills. PhRMA pay$ too much $ for media advertising, we can’t tell the truth about the neuro-toxins, now can we? Even 17 dead high school kids on Valentines Day, are a small price for PhRMA to pay, for $BILLION$ in profit. Thank-you, Dr. Breggin. You indeed helped save *MY* life, anyway….

  • Beyond question, psychiatrists are the most well-educated stupid people, and the stupidest well-educated people, EVER! Cutting through all the college-level jargon and acronyms, the whole article boils down to, “healthier people have more friends than sicker people, so let’s look at that!”….
    The current so-called “mental health system” is a PROCESS-centered process, and a SYSTEM-centered system.
    They use whatever process most benefits the system, and whatever system works best for *THEIR* process.
    If we could move to a PERSON-centered process, and a SERVICES-centered system, we *might* see some progress. But don’t hold your breath. The pseudoscience drug racket, and means of social control known as psychiatry, simply makes TOO MUCH $$$$ for it’s bosses, – PhRMA, – to make any major changes too quickly. They *LOVE* that “SMI” label, and the STIGMA it imposes on vulnerable persons!….
    Psychiatry belongs on the scrap-heap of history, along with Freud, and Phrenology….
    That great CATALOG of BILLING CODES, the DSM-5, makes better COMPOST than anything else….
    Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. When the psychs admit *THAT* truth,
    that will finally be some good news…. We can dream, can’t we?…..

  • Oh, PUH-LEEZ, “oldhead”! “Neoliberal” refers to a distinct, mostly European-based academic ideology, which is NOT the same as the “liberal” applied to the current “liberal/conservative” effort to “divide and conquer” the American people. “Neocons” are again, distinct from just “new conservatives”. Are you perhaps being obtuse, or ironic?

  • Both psychiatry in particular, and the “mental health” system in general, ask and answer the question, “What’s wrong with you?”, by slapping some stigma, and a DSM-5 label on you. And then usually drugging you with potent prescription neuro-toxins. That’s how the scam works.
    What they need to ask, but don’t, is: “What happened to you?”…..
    I’ll be MORE surprised, Sarah, if you continue to return to your slave-masters and oppressors, who are really only GAS LIGHTING you. Can’t you see that?
    Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. The DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. So-called “”mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT more “real”.
    Your experiences, and your pain, &etc., ARE REAL, however…. But that doesn’t mean the DSM-5 can, or should, “label” them as so-called “mental illnesses”. Unless YOU consent….
    Best Wishes!

  • Unfortunately, I was not able to log in to the “Body is Not Apology” website, to leave a comment.
    But there’s a much more serious comment that I need to ask the MiA Staff & site admins:
    Did YOU, – MiA Staff & site admins, actually **read** the linked-to article?
    It’s one of the most poorly-written, poorly-edited, disjointed wrecks of a story!
    It sounds like it was written by an imbecilic, but precocious 10-year old!
    And, it’s basically a “psychiatry 101” propaganda screed. It pushes the whole “mental illnesses are exactly like diabetes or heart disease” mantra/lie….. Talk about the Myth of so-called “Mental Illness”!…..
    I find it to be way beneath, and outside the usual quality level we’ve come to expect here on MiA!
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • PS: God knows the last thing I need is a taller “to be read” pile, but I’d still love to add your book to it!
    And with the poverty of Social Security Disability and Food Stamps, I can’t really afford to buy a copy, but I *might* be able to add it to my “can’t afford to NOT buy it” list!….
    Hope you’re planning more exposure here at MiA!

  • New Hampshire, where I’m writing from, is well over 90% “white”. And it’s also has a very “old” State population. For these and various other factors, including people having smaller families, most elementary schools are seeing declining enrollments. Fewer students. Yet, the school budgets keep rising, usually MUCH faster than the “Cost of Living Index”, even. And the tax rate ALSO rises faster than the COL Index. In other words, the schools need MORE $$$$ for FEWER kids! How does *THAT* work? Well, by dramatically increasing the #’s of “diagnosed”, and “coded” kids, there’s a LOT MORE Federal $$$$ available. Of course, that requires more $$$ to pay for more “aides”, “tutors”, “special ed workers”, etc., etc., As bad as the medicalization/criminalization of children is, it’s only PART of a LARGER SCAM being perpoetrated on the American people. The article above, as good as it is, only tells PART of the story. And, of course, psychiatry and it’s poison pills are an integral part of the CORRUPTION….
    (c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction

  • I’m not a lwayer, but I’ve read my share of legal documents over the years, including copies of case filings.
    Any lawsuit, especially a Federal Class Action such as this one, is a VERY difficult read!
    But what’s here on this page, is VERY WELL written, and as clear and concise as possible.
    And I haven’t even gotten to the linked documents, yet!

    I work with a close friend, who had Electro-Cution Torture(“ECT”) many years ago.
    She claims that it “did nothing”, and “had no effect”. I disagree. I see subtle, but pervasive “damage”/effects.
    Anyway, seems to me that her claims of “no effect/benefit” are the equivalent of “NO efficacy”
    So, while she probably wouldn’t claim “harm”, herself, she might claim “lack of benefit”.
    Are persons such as her, included in the active class participants?
    It’s one thing to get all persons harmed included as plaintiffs, but adding persons such as my friend,
    would only enlarge the plaintiffs class. One thing I DO KNOW, she would say she wished she had
    NEVER HAD Electro-Cution Torture…..
    I am literally so moved, and grateful to see this, and impressed by it’s quality all around, that I’m almost crying. Literally almost crying.
    I hope you noted my linguistic construction: “ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture = “ECT”….
    Perhaps you could “sneak” that into the court documents, somehow?….

  • Once, I had a Master’s-level “clinician”, working with the local CMHC, (Community Mental Health Center) “diagnose” me with so-called “NPD”, – Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
    I also worked long-term with 3 PhD-level Licensed Clinical Psychologists, not connected with that CMHC, who all agreed that I do NOT have “NPD”. Guess who the local “mental health court” listened to? The lone Master’s level clinician, because of the exclusive contract the CMHC and Court had….
    Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21swt Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. And the DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes.

  • Yes, I have a proposed solution:
    Simply make the system work by having any “mental health professional” able to certify any person as
    “worthy of my services”, *IF* that person freely requests that.
    That way, the onus would be on the “clinician” to justify their paycheck, and not depend on a bogus label slapped on a person. Seems this would eliminate most so-called “stigma”, too….

  • wtf? Why are there no comments here, in over a month?….
    Actually, I’d say it’s time to do away with the bogus “diagnoses” altogether….
    The “diagnosis” *itself* is a form of second-class citizenship.
    To think that some bogus psychiatric “diagnosis”, and full citizenship are compatible is delusional at best.
    That’s like saying, “We need to treat those slaves as if they’re full citizens”….

  • You forget another reality, Deena. Most “public defenders” are actually *complicit*. I was charged with a bogus, fabricated criminal charge, partly because the female public defender was trying to create business for herself, and for the local “community mental health center”, and associated “mental health court”…. She actually tried to convince me that I have a “mental illness”, and that she was “helping” me. The prosecutor tried to get me sent to the State mental hospital. But, I rejected the shyster lawyer, and fought the prosecutor. I insisted to the Judge my right to represent myself “Pro Se”. I had to suck up the fraudulent conviction, but the Judge had no other choice but to side with me on the loony bin part. Point is, so-called “mental illnesses” are used as weapons against persons the local community finds inconvenient, annoying, or challenging. This reality is invisible in the cloistered, hyper-clinical ivory tower Dr. Moncrieff inhabits.

  • Children are the inevitable and only creation of a healthy, or unhealthy society or civilization. So *IF* the children are “depressed”, the root cause is NOT in the children themselves, – it’s in the SOCIETY! The roots of “childhood depression” are NOT in the children, but in the PARENTS, the GRANDParents, the GREAT-Grand parents, etc…. It’s not the children who are “depressed”, no, it’s the SOCIETY which is SICK….
    This simple truth should be so obvious, but it doesn’t help $ELL DRUG$, does it….????….
    England is dying under the poison of neo-liberalism and progressivism, and sadly, America is not far behind.

  • We here at MiA are thinking “logically”, and “rationally”. (I won’t attempt to DEFINE those terms, so let’s just assume for sake of argument that we agree what we mean by them….) But psychiatric drugs, such as the SSRI’s that James Holmes was taking, cause the brain to malfunction in ways that are irrational and illogical. While under the influence of these DRUGS, our behaviour becomes illogical and irrational. Because it’s inherently illogical and irrational, it can only be understood illogically and irrationally! So it doesn’t make sense to us! What I’ve just descibed is exactly how the pseudoscience of psychiatry creates the very “mental illness” which it then purports to treat!
    (I wonder how long it’s gonna take what’s-her-name to approve this comment before it appears?….)….

  • Thank-you, Carol! That was a very well-written, easy to read piece of writing. Not trying to minimize your experience, though. You did write it well. The one thing though, that I’m NOT seeing in your story of healing, is some form of exercise. I don’t mean hours pumping iron, or becoming a gym rat. But daily walks, or swimming, or some type of Yoga, for example, were/are key for me. Just today, I went for a 1/2 hour, ~45min. relaxing walk in a local wooded park with a friend. It’s Sunday, I’m taking it easy. I will also bicycle a few miles, as I do every day. That’s my suggestion. And, is it a “spiritual “emergency””, or a SPIRITUAL EMERGENCE? I guess you see why I always say:
    “Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins.”
    The only “need” the drugs addressed, was to make money for PhRMA, and re-inforce the whole charade of psychiatry. That you would need drugs “for the rest of your life”, needs to be called out for what it is: A LIE.
    Best wishes on the future!

  • *IF* this article is correct, then we’d need to know the exact mechanism by which soking tobacco can cause these epigenetic changes. The OTHER big confounding factor here is the fact that ALL corporate/commercial cigarettes are laced with numerous toxic chemicals that are NOT found in tobacco. And there are NO studies which compare organic tobacco smoking with consuming the chemical-laden corporate cigarette products. How do we know it’s the *tobacco*, and not all the OTHER toxic chemicals the industry adulterates cigarettes with?

  • OK, *NOW* I can comment directly to Sera. No “rsvp” requested or expected, Sera. I liked the article above very much. I think it articulates well the dysfunctional inter-personal dynamics which permeates the whole “mental health / illness” system. I saw/heard/read some humor in the piece, even if it’s gallows humor. And, I think many of the more critical comments here are off-base, and even wrong. I’m a little surprised at the push-back Sera seems to provoke here. Too many of the comments are also off-topic. Not that that’s always a bad thing….
    One of my best friends is a victim of forced psychiatry, but she does have a copy of the video from “Western Mass”-whatever it’s called(sorry, I can’t recall it right the name right now, but it’s the group you work with, Sera.)
    Let me make a suggestion: Edit this down some, maybe combine and eliminate some #’s; maybe edit some wording into more formal/clinical language, then distribute this piece as far and wide as possible. It’s a strong piece, Sera, as written. My suggestions are in hopes of it seeing a MUCH wider audience, especially in the whole “Community Mental Health Center” crowd.
    I can certainly identify with most of what you’ve written here.

  • “oldhead”, *MY* personal problem with the “anti-psychiatry” label is that it simply legitimizes psychiatry as being worthy of having an “anti” movement….
    I agree with Szasz, both psychiatry, *AND* anti-psychiatry are PSEUDOSCIENCES…. That’s directly from the preface to the 2010 edition of “Myth of Mental illness”…..

  • Are you ok? That doesn’t sound like your usual tone of comments? Maybe you’re like me, – getting a headache from all the arguing here! 🙂 I like Sera’s work, and I think some of the older *boys* here are giving her a hard time she doesn’t need, or deserve…. I saw a LOT of humor in Sera’s piece, above, and a lot of pain, too. It’s obvious to me that Sera feels very deeply, and cares very much about people. We need more of that.
    (This is just a thought – maybe you should post as “FeelinLESS Discouraged”, or something. Aren’t you risking affirming your discouragement, by repeatedly writing that you are “FeelinDiscouraged”? See what I mean? I can see some irony and humor in your choice of online/screen name, but maybe it’s time for a change? You know I like your comments, and I’m tryin’ to B helpful here!….)….

  • Just this week I happened upon a 2010 edition of Szasz’s “Myth of Mental Illness”. In the 2010 preface, Szasz explicitly states that he is NOT “anti-psychiatry”, because he considers BOTH psychiatry and anti-psychiatry to be “pseudoscience”. Just sayin’…..

  • Gee, I dunno, “Sally”! I think “Tweedle’s” universe is not only NOT parallel, but it’s going off on it’s own radical tangent!
    But ya gotta admit, that saying psychs try to tie up bird wings from flying, for their own safety, IS a pretty accurate metaphor for the pseudoscience drug racket and means of social control known as “psychiatry”!
    (BTW, the most “violent” I ever was, was directly because of the psych drugs. After 20+ years off psych drugs & psychiatry, I’m happier and peacefuler than ever!)

  • In general, across the U.S., there’s a “shortage” of psychiatrists, because fewer & fewer persons want to go into the field. Psychs tend towards larger urban areas, with much larger colleges & universities. And, psychiatry itself is increasingly seen as the corrupt drug racket which it is. Older psychs are retiring & dying faster than new, younger ones are entering the field. Why this “shortage” is so acute in N.H., I don’t know the details on that. “Dartmouth-Hitchcock” has a near-monopoly on “healthcare providers” here in N.H. plus, there’s a LOT of CORRUPTION in N.H. Yeah, I know, you don’t usually think of N.H. as corrupt. We’re just about the richest, whitest State, and also have the highest alcohol & opioid overdose death rate. The local hospital was looking for even “emergency fill-in” psychs, at ~$80./hour, and found no takers. But N.H. *IS* also a very well-educated State, so I assume the FRAUD of psychiatry is becoming too obvious. That’s what I *hope*, anyway.
    Thanks, “Feelin’! Have *courage*, my friend! *grin*

  • It’s sad and pathetic that “Science News” turned off comments to this story, after only 3 comments. Sorta’ like a “comment abortion”. Yes, positive touch is a crucial factor in healthy newborns. Lack of touch can only have negative long-term consequences. It’s also sad and pathetic that such knowledge needs “scientific studies”. *THINK*, people!
    All so-called “mental illnesses” are in fact STD’s ~ *Socially-Transmitted Distress*….

  • “ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture
    Electrocution Torture = “ECT”
    I don’t want to censor/”moderate” the comments from “rational_moderation”, but I must note that ALL of them are irrelevant.
    Electrocution Torture was invented in the 1930’s, in the era of ice-pick lobotomies, insulin coma, cold water immersion, etc. There is NO legitimate reason that it is still used. That it *is* still used, is simply more PROOF that psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. I repeat:
    “ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture
    Electrocution Torture = “ECT”
    This barbaric form of human torture pretending to be “therapy” should be banned completely.

  • Thank-you, Sandra. I’m very glad you survived. And of course there’s some differences between our stories, but what most strikes me, is how the same they are. We’re about the same age, and I’ve been “shrink-proof” longer, but the basic themes are the same. We’ve had very similar experiences. So I bet you’d agree with what I always say:
    “Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins.”
    Welcome to MadinAmerica! BTW, I first read Dr. Peter Breggin’s “Toxic Psychiatry” in the early 1990’s.
    That’s what got the ball rolling for me, and saved my life. And yeah, klonopin(clonazepam) withdrawal is *HELL*!…. *smile*….

  • Sadly, the BMJ doesn’t have a comment section. So, as a victim of psychiatry, I can personally, and anecdotally CONFIRM Dr. Peter Gotzsche’s article. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry & psych drugs did me far more harm than good. In fact, the only “good” they did for me, was when I tapered off them completely. Too many of my friends are DEAD because of the lies of psychiatry and the psych drugs which PhRMA pushes.
    Thank-you, Dr. Gotzsche, what more can I do?

  • WOW! 2 whole days this article has been here, and nobody has commented yet? wtf? LOL….
    This sounds like at least a step in the right direction….
    But “PTM” is a uniquely British invention, and I think it might face more hurdles here in America….
    But it’s good to see the psychologists stand up to the pseudoscience lies of the drug racket and means of social control known as “psychiatry”. “Psychiatry” is nothing more than 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins….

  • Hey, ‘oldhead”, I usually read the comments first, as I’ve done here. So maybe I’ll have something more intelligent to say after I actually read the article, and the statement. I already heard about this action in a newspaper story. But, for all the words in the story, there was amazingly little *facts* in it…. I don’t think I know enough about this specific issue to really have a good opinion one way or another. So, “oldhead” *WHY* is this such good news? And, knowing Trump, isn’t it possible that what looks to *you*, *now*, as “good news”, might in fact lead to some really **BAD** *NEWS*, down the road….????…. RSVP?…. ~B./

  • Psychobabble, gobbledygook, ridiculous nonsense. Sure, I read the article. It’s written in Modern American/Canadian English. And it’s still psychobabble and gobbledygook. Let’s place blame where it’s due: The pseudoscience LIES of the drug racket and means of social control known as “psychiatry”. The DSM-5, and all previous DSMs, are nothing more than catalogs of billing codes, pretending to be “scientific”. Why call it a “Statistical Manual”, when there’s NO statistics in it? And Tom Strong lays out in brief how ALL of medicine has been polluted and corrupted by these psychiatric terms. These invented words, – these neologisms. Use of neologisms was once declared to be a “symptom” of “mental illness”. Who knows if there will be a “DSM-6”? If there is, it will only need ONE entry: Psychiatry. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. What is MOST needed, in counseling/therapy in particular, and medicine in general, is TRUTH, and HONESTY. Truth and honesty are rare commodities in psychiatry, and THAT is the root of the troubles Tom Strong describes here. Why do we need anything more than “justified need for services” to bill for payment? Rather than bemoan the latest labels, let’s all work to SIMPLIFY medical language, especially in the so-called “helping professions”.

  • I actually watched Johann Hari speak in person, around the time he was promoting “Chasing the Scream”. That was the first I’d heard of him. Then I read “Chasing the Scream’. He’s not beyond criticism, – this IS MiA, after all!, – but I endorse him, and his book, as being very valuable. So it’s funny to see him attacked like this. It means somebody, – $OMEBODY!, – is afraid of Hari’s message.

  • I’m mostly agreeing with you, Steve. But surely you’ve seen how the CMHC’s are all now pushing the language of “behavioral health”? We don’t see neurologists pushing “behavioral health”.
    I’d suggest that the UN-healthiest behavior is going to some quack shrink, and taking their poison pills.
    And I’d bet you’d agree with me, Steve, that psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins.

  • Sadly, and unfortunately, I think episodes like this are a necessary step in eradicating the fascist human cancer which is “psychiatry”, from the human body politic. Note that the article speaks of persons “given” so-called “diagnoses”. After something like my 15th or 20th different, “diagnosis”, I FINALLY figured out that the whole thing’s a scam, and that the DSM is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. Note that there’s no effort to, nor even hint of trying to, *confirm* any diagnostic allegation. I once had a master’s-level “clinician”, working for the local “community mental health center”, falsely claim that I have so-called “NPD”, “narcissistic personality disorder”. I worked with 3 licensed clinical psychologists who all agreed that I do NOT have “NPD”. But guess who the local court listened to? I was fraudulently charged with a fabricated “crime”, because a police prosecutor believed the master’s-level CMHC “clinician” over 3 PhD Psychologists! Yes, these bogus “diagnoses” result in real harm. As if any of us don’t already know that….

  • Dr. Gotzsche:
    I don’t have the formal education in either statistics, or analyzing clinical studies, to accurately and thoroughly assess all the relevant details of what you’re saying here. But my language comprehension skills are more than sufficient to ask you a pertinent question. In the first sentence of your letter, above, you clearly state that “Almost all placebo-controlled trials”…etc., So, you ARE saying that at LEAST SOME trials are NOT flawed. Is that really the case? Are there in fact non-flawed drug trials?….
    My personal experience with both Zoloft and Wellbutrin is that they basically did NOTHING for me.
    But c’mon, Peter, are there ANY un-flawed studies?

  • I just gotta say something! Your comment made me laugh, but in a good way. I’ve always been attracted to “crazy”, and “troubled” women, but I’m pushing 60 now. 44 is NOT old, but the 25+ years on drugs, well, yeah, I see what you mean. And I live in a “single woman desert”. Years ago, I used to go to “Yahoo Personals”, and “”, etc., and there’d be like NO single women my age in my town! Sorry I don’t have any solutions, or words of wisdom for you, but at least you know you’re not alone in your alone-ness. Something like that. You know what I mean! Being single sux sometimes, but after 20+ years clean and sober, and away from the psychs madness, life’s pretty good, all things considered. There’s worse than “boring”, and “lonely”. At least I’m fairly happy. Hope your 2018 gets better!

  • “shaun”, I’ve just read the whole comment thread here. I don’t know you, so I’m not talking about *you* *directly*, but I am using your comments to make some more general points. With that disclaimer, please understand and excuse some limits in my language. I know you’re sure you sound so “affirming”. You express in hollow, empty words “support” for the thoughts and feelings expressed by other commenters here. But what I see is a subtle form of gaslighting. You don’t seem willing to seriously examine the reality that the DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. All of the alleged “diagnoses” in it are100% SUBJECTIVE, and have no objective reality. They are all exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. And all your “therapy” is subordinated under the fraudulent regime of psychiatry. Would you suggest “substantial reform” if the topic of conversation was Nazi death camps? No, you wouldn’t. I submit that you’ve had as much professional “sucess” as you *seem* to have had, largely because you’re basically a compassionate guy, and NOT because of any inherent efficacy in your “mental health system”. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. There are precious few venues such as MiA, here, where you can hear the voices of the victims and survivors of psychiatry. You have been deliberately and systematically shielded from the TRUTH. The voices of the victims are actively suppressed. I know you mean well. But when I read what you’ve written here, I have to roll my eyes and shake my head. It isn’t just that Julie, above, *”believes”* the system has failed her, it’s that THE SYSTEM FAILED HER. There’s some doubt in your mind that the system has failed her, because you are so deeply and heavily invested in it. You’re bumping up against actual cognitive dissonance in yourself, because the TRUTH of psychiatry’s victims, – including Julie & myself, – is so at odds with what you’ve been brainwashed and indoctrinated and propagandized to believe. While yes I believe you’re basically a “good guy”, I also know that you’re (relatively) young and naive. Please remember my words in 5, 10, 20 years. The “system” as you know it, and have been lead to believe, was NOT set up to “help” people. Unless those people are rich, powerful, and PhRMA honchos. Sure, you can find a few people who will sing the praises of their pills and bogus “diagnosis”. But there are far MORE people who are either dead too young, or against/out of that crooked system. No, the problem is not that I;’m too cynical, – you’re not cynical enough. You HAVE read Breggin’s “Toxic Psychiatry”, and Whitaker’s “Mad in America”, and “Anatomy of an Epidemic”, right….????….
    RSVP? ~B./ (Think of me as your elderly clinical supervisor….)…..

  • I strongly, highly, completely, without reservation, endorse, support, – ok, you get the idea. PLEASE go out and get something, anything by His Holiness the Dalai Lama. He’s also got lots of videos. His words are simple, clear, and easy to understand. Regardless of whatever religion you do or don’t have, or what your beliefs are, the Dalai Lamas’ words are healing. Thank-you, MiA, for this…. The greatest benefit, I’d say, is that you will have more better understanding of life. And remember, Buddhism is 500 years older than Christianity. The Dalai Lama practices Mahayana Buddhism.

  • The DSM is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. All of the alleged “diagnoses” in it are bogus, and they were all invented, – not discovered, – to serve as excuses to sell drugs. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. So-called “mental illnesses” and “DSM-5 diagnoses” are as real as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. Missy and Skylar were both fortunate to have had as little do do with psychiatry as you have. Psychiatry is a deathtrap. I’m glad you survived. Personally, I do find some of what you 2 are describing here to be a little weird, but I’m not the one who has to live with things as they are for you. Being an older person myself, with some experience of years, I think you’re in a pretty good place overall, and that the future holds good things for you both. I am curious why there are only *2* of you? Wouldn’t it be more fun to have more company? Of course, that could overly complicate things. Thank-you for sharing your story! I’m curious to see what some of the other regulars here have to say!

  • Robert is correct, “misfitxxx”. Clinicians of all types often mis-identify active street drug use for a whole slew of imaginary “mental disorders’. The DSM-5 contains literally 100’s of such invented labels. It’s one thing to say that Robert is wrong, or question his motivations, but really, what is your criticism? How is what he’s saying here “bs spin world”? Maybe you’re being overly sensitive in regards “street drugs”?

  • Sometimes, “madness” is simply that, – madness. Framing the question as a duality, “breakdown”, or “spiritual initiation”, is to *a priori* decide without adequate investigation. The romance of the shamanic journey seems attractive to modern, decadent Westerners, and that “breakdown” delusion certainly $ELL$ DRUG$! Maybe it’s all really just the Godhead experiencing self in myriad forms? It certainly IS NOT a “chemical imbalance” in the brain! LOL! (Well, at least not that science has found solid evidence of!)

  • Well, Dr. Atwood, it looks like I’m visitor #8497, 8498, 8499, and 8500, according to the counter on your website. And I see there’s no way to contact you from it. Oh well. I’ve just spent 2 hours reading *most* of what’s on your website. Pretty good stuff. You say that you didn’t want to spend time on “medical training”, in order to become a psychiatrist, and so “settled” for a Ph.D. in psychology. As it is for ALL psychiatrists, said medical training would have been wasted. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. The DSM is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. All of the diagnostic allegations in it were invented, not discovered, to serve as excuses to sell drugs. Now that California has legalized all uses of cannabis, I would hope that Dr. E supplants his single-malt Scotch supply with an occasional carefully-chosen cannabis edible. I am NOT alive and well today *because* of the depredations of psychiatry, but in spite of them. If I had not read Dr. Breggins’ “Toxic Psychiatry” over 25 years ago, and had stayed with the demonic quack shrinks, I doubt I’d still be alive. Along with the Phrenology from which it arose, psychiatry belongs on the scrap heap of history. How can such otherwise well-educated persons perpetuate and perpetrate such suffering and EVIL upon the world? Finally, I want to agree with “Sa”, above. Too bad you encountered Zen, instead of the Dalai Lama’s Mahayana! Zen is nothing but head games and word games. And psychiatry is the sound of one brain farting! LOL

  • They are “inseparable” only in YOUR MIND, “Slaying/Dragon”. I usually agree 99% with your comments, but your radical ideology has carried you too far this time. So-called “mental illness” is exactly the myth that you say it is. Yeah, I read Szasz, too. But psychotherapy really DOES WORK. People often feel better after good psychotherapy, but not because that psychotherapy actually “treated” their (imaginary) “mental illness”. Pretty much everybody enjoys spending an hour or 2 talking about themselves. So-called “psychotherapy” is nothing more than formalizing normal human interaction, and then sometimes pretending that it’s treating some imaginary “mental illness”. I’m suggesting that your disdain for the pseudoscience of psychiatry has affected your thinking where “talk therapy” is concerned. Even people who aren’t labelled have regular “therapy sessions”. It’s called “going out bowling with friends”, or joining your buddies at the bar”, etc. Think of the gab sessions at any urban barber shop or beauty parlor or hair salon. The personal relationships that grow in these places are in fact more important than any other “work” which goes on there. No, I’m not trying to defend “psychotherapy” *per* *se*, but I am challenging your dogmatic, reflexive, and extremist ideology. You so hate the trees of psychiatry and psychotherapy, that you can’t see the forest of humanity…. None of us are beyond self-reflection, so let me adjust this mirror for you…. RSVP? ~B./

  • I know 3 women, – my friends, – who were sexually molested/raped by their fathers. By the time they got old enough to tell what happened, “Dad” & “Mom” had taken them to psychiatrists, and had them labeled/”diagnosed” and drugged. Thus, “Oh, she’s just crazy, – she has “mental illness”. You can’t believe anything she says….” See how that works? I wouldn’t believe it if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes. All 3 families were Roman Catholic, although, yes, this type of abuse also occurs in families of other religions, too….But it’s psychiatry that’s the keystone of this scam.

  • Some of us with lived experience of benzos, such as myself, can only shake our heads in mild disgust.
    This is like doctors asking, “Gee, should I REALLY prescribe THAT MUCH oxycontin for that long?”….
    It should also be noted that Japan is home to Otsuka Pharma, which is now marketing DRUGS with MICROCHIPS, to “ensure compliance”….
    Seriously, some of you “academics” need to WAKE the *F**K* *UP*, and realize that yes, it’s worse than you want to admit….
    Denial is NOT a river in Egypt….
    Thanks for the report, Hannah. As badas it is, I’d still rather know.