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I’m a recovered alcoholic, and Rx drug (non-opiate) addict. In my near 30-year now RECOVERY, my thoughts and feelings have changed with both more wisdom & experience, and more education. I WISH I KNEW THEN WHAT I KNOW NOW….
And I continue to do my best to share my wisdom, hope and strength whenever and where ever I can. Doctors have played the BLAME THE VICTIMS GAME for decades now.
(My own benzo experience supports the MiA-presented evidence 100%…..)….
Good to see you again. As for Scientology, it grew out of the book “Dianetics”, and other writings from L. Ron Hubbard, who had his own BAD experiences with psychiatry in the U.S.Navy during WW2, or the “Great Patriotic War”, as I believe it is still known in the old USSR, now Russia. That is whyScientology, &
The “Citizens Commission on Human Rights”, under it, are so anti-psychiatry. And also why they are targetted by the Medical Establishment. Now, my words:
“Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drugs racket, and a mechanism of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neurotoxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT MORE REAL! The DSM-5 is a fictional catalog of billing codes. EVERYTHING in it was either INVENTED, or CREATED, NOTHING in it was discovered. Consider the distinction in meanings here.”….
I consider you NORMAL, and that you are a whole, healthy, happy human being, and a desperately needed GIFT TO THE WORLD. If indeed you’re “crazy”, then YES!, we need as many crazy people like you as we can get! Your son and his Father are blessed! May God Bless you & your family and friends!
I trust that MiA will allow me to post my mailing address here:
P.O. Box 23
Keene, NH, 03431
Miranda, that’s a well-written & comprehensive article. And I understand the unavoidable bias you write from. So it’s not your fault that you dance all around, but never right up to THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a mechanism of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good…. If we had never invented psychiatry, we’d all be much better off….
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It’s NOT the “integrative” part of Natalie’s story & title that is problematic. I’d go as far as to say that I do not believe that Natalie has a complete and comprehensive understanding of the past 300 – 500 years history of medicine, money, power, and control. Especially the last 100 -150 years. So I’ll repeat my mantra. “Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a mechanism of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as real as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. The DSM is in fact nothing more than a catalog of billing coded delusions, fantasies, and victim blaming. Calling one’s self an “integrative psychiatrist” is all well and good, and a step forward for sure. But the deadweight baggage of psychiatry is an onerous burden better left behind on the scrap heap of history. The OTHER crucial, vital question Natalie seems as yet unaware of, and not asking, is more telling: “Why are so many people so sick, that they need so much “healing” in the first place!?…. Allopathic medicine in general, and psychiatry in particular, are designed to make populations sick, keep them sick, and make as much profit as possible, as long as possible, then you die. NEXT in line, please!…. All to maintain the money, power and control of the Global Ruling Elites & Global Banksters over the masses of good people on Planet Earth. I’m hoping that Natalie will be at first offended when she sees me state here that there is an absolute equivalency between “Jew-loving Nazi”, and “Integrative Psychiatrist”…. 45 years ago, now, my TORTURE with psych drugs began. I’ve been FREE from both for 25 years now. I hope Natalie learns enough of the TRUTH much faster than I did, and much less painfully. I express my sincere BEST WISHES to Natalie, in all her future endeavors…. rsvp?….
“Integrative psychiatrist”, huh? Well, I’m a pro-Jewish Nazi. I’m a pro-African-American KKK member…. I’m a pro-Democrat Republican, and a pro-Republican Democrat, to boot!….
I’m a freedom loving pro-Fascist!…. I’m a Christ-worshipping Satanist, and a Satan Worshipping Christian…. I’m a master of psychobabble, gobbledygook, Critical Race Theory, and I’m woke as all hell, man!….
Now, I’m actually going to carefully READ the article above, and when I’m done, I will return here to the comments, and see if I still agree with myself….
Odd that you favor the racist colonial neologism “marijuana” over the scientific CANNABIS. Do you even know that Trump signed the law making HEMP 100% legal at the Federal level almost 2 years ago?….
The PROBLEM, and the SOLUTION, is very simply stated:
We have a SYSTEM CENTERED SYSTEM, and a PROCESS & PRODUCT Centered process.
We need a PERSON CENTERED PROCESS, and a SERVICES CENTERED SYSTEM.
Forced psychiatry & psych drugs are BOTH forms of TORTURE….
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Caroline, judging only from your words here, and that 1 photo of your happy smiling face, I think you’re probably one of the LEAST “DANGEROUS” people I know!…. Your valiant and courageous effort to educate and FREE yourself is very clear, very compelling, and very much appreciated by me. I read Dr. Breggin’s “Toxic Psychiatry” in 1992! He literally saved my life. And I second “oldhead’s” suggestion to read what he’s said about covid the last few months.
Hope to see more of you here….
Please spend an hour or 2 online, researching and learning about “Crimson Contagion”, “Event 201”, “GAVI”, Dr. Kerry Mullis, Nobel Prize, & PCR manufacturing.process. This is indeed a PLANdemic.
pandemic = pan.dem.ic = panic, Dem//
I’m not really clear exactly what “challenge” you mean? SPIRITUALITY?…. Earth 2020 is both spiritually SICK, and spiritually awakening. If enough of us wake up enough, fast enough, we’ll be fine. Otherwise not….
I made my choice decades ago. Spirituality for Life is the BEST PATH….
In 1986, Congress granted full indemnity against any legal liability to PhRMA for vaxxxes, and set up the taxpayer-funded “Vaccine Injury Compensation Court & Program”, which has since paid out over $4Billion for vaxx injury claims including death and autism. See: Hannah Polling case. A Federal court ruled vaxxes are “unavoidably unsafe”. Vaxxes contain mercury, aluminum, and tissue from aborted fetuses. True, mercury has been removed from most vaxxes, and replaced with aluminum and other “adjuvants”.
On numerous ocassions on video, Bill Gates has stated his desire to force vaxxx and microchip all 7+Billion of us. Many other less-famous, and less rich persons have stated their desire to force-vaxxx EVERYBODY. Thank God Trump opposes mandatory vaxxxes….
Movie title + common phrase:
KILL BILL GATES OF HELL
….no living person was named in the preceeding phrase, above….
Therefore, this comment does NOT violate MiA moderation guidlines….
An “adulteress” is simply the word to CORRECTLY and ACCURATELY describe a married woman who has sex with a man who is not her husband. The male form of the word is “adulterer”. Maybe in the Bible long ago, or in Islamic countries, a woman might have been stoned to death for adultery. The book “The Scarlet Letter” deals with a much milder form of social shaming punishment for the “crime” of adultery.
In contemporary America, there is no formal, legal sanction against adultery, except as grounds for divorce. Although, sadly, spouses are sometimes killed by their spouses for adultery. Why? Obviously, adultery must be caused by mental illness. OK, I’m kidding about that last sentence. But serious about the rest of it…. So-called “open marriage”, and polyamory, were invented to prevent adultery. And they do….
Consider the questions here very carefully before you even try to answer them. Then question your answers to make sure you’re correct:
1. What IS a “personality”, exactly? How much does it weigh? What color is it?
2. How is a “personality” created?
3. At what age did you begin to create your “personality”?
4. Could Santa Claus bring you a new “personality” for Christmas? Why, or why not?
5. Can’t you just throw away an old, damaged “personality”, and get a new one? Why, or why not?
6. In so-called “borderline personality disorder”, HOW FAR from the border of WHAT? Are there border guards? How wide and long is the borderline? Are there border crossing gates? In “BPD”, is it the borderline that’s disordered? Can you cross the borderline illegally? Legally? Can the borderline be crossed in both directions, or only in one direction? If only one direction, which one?
It’s my hope that you’ll print out these questions, after you’ve answered them all yourself, and give them to your psychiatrist to answer. Being a highly trained and very well educated Medical Professional, your psychiatrist should have no trouble quickly and answering ALL these questions for you….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drugs racket, and a mechanism of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good. “Will it ever change”, asks Susanne….
It “changes” all the time, but that “change”
is really only going around in circles, and becoming the newest facade of an old LIE.
So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as unicorns, or presents from Santa Claus, but NOT MORE REAL. The DSM-5 is in fact a catalog of billing codes. Everything in the DSM was either invented or created, nothing in it was discoveted. The distinction is crucial. In light of all this, psychiatry needs to GO AWAY FOR GOOD. Psychiatrists can be easily and quickly re-trained and re-educated to become “prescribing psychopharmacologists”. Psychiatry is EVIL. The fact that there are a FEW “good” psychiatrists only PROVES that MOST are EVIL. Psychiatrists are the genocidal nazis of healthcare. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good…..
Can you please clone yourself? We can use as many of you as you can clone for us….
PLEASE stop hijacking the discussion into pseudo-intellectual semantic gobbledygook. Yes, “trauma”, and “trauma informed”, DO look and seem like buzzwords, to some people. And some people will use them that way. And the closely-related concepts of “ACEs” are likewise. But it does nobody any good to allow one’s own ignorance and lack of understanding, knowledge, and experience to roadblock the rest of us….I’m very comfortable with my own traumas and ACEs. But I wouldn’t be, if I was still attached to my own bullshit. It was the Dalai Lama’s teachings on non-attacment in Buddhism that liberated me there. And the radical acceptance that I learned in Alcoholics Anonymous and the 12 Steps. Everything I got from psychiatry was either TRAUMA, or something like ACEs….
Also, Pol Pot’s socialist/communist Khmer Rouge Utopia….no capitalism. No psychiatry. Tell me how much you’d love to live there, oldhead. And how sad to see it go. Somalia has also been capitalism & psychiatry-free at least for decades. And North Korea….Yes, I REALLY want a reply, oldhead.
….”sick and tired of your ism schisms”….
as Bob Marley sings in Get Up, Stand Up”….
You’d hardly call the former Soviet Union, or commie Mao’s China “Capitalism/t”, would you? Yet in each, psychiatry was, and IS, inextricably linked. Your continued belief that psychiatry and capitalism are conjoined twins is counter-productive, IMHO.
I want to say something about “New Age” as a formal descriptor, category, or genre. NEW AGE covers so much territory, that sometimes some of it conflicts with other parts of it. Some things seem like they’re NewAge, but they’re not. And some world views are NewAge, some are not. NewAge deals with feelings in more nuanced and healthy ways, but does have a lot of emotional freedom. New Age sadly never got more acceptance in the wider society. Who remembers the “harmonic convergence”? See what i mean?….
Thank-you sam plover. You DO GET IT!
When we blame any person, place, thing, situation, etc., we aren’t taking personal responsibility for ourselves. (Yes, persons, situations, etc., can and do hurt us, and that must be acknowledged and dealt with.) While we aren’t responsible for the person who has hurt us, we ARE responsible for owning that we’ve been hurt. It’s up to us to accept our hurt, and heal it. When we accept ourselves, we cease to BLAME, we become more happy and healthy. Blaming disempowers us, and empowers our oppressors.
“What is a personality, and where does it come from?” That seems to be one of your questions here. Let me try to answer it. I’ve been working on this for a few years now. First, there’s some genetic basis for the brain and sensory organs, plus the social and cultural and physical milieau a person is born into. This is what the blank canvas consists of, upon which the petsonality is created.
The personality itself is the reflection, or result, of how all the other people in our lives treat us. As we become adults, and have a fuller, more independent self-relationship, we can begin to also have some effects on our personality. But basically, a personality is created in a person BY OTHER PEOPLE. Your personality is NOT your own, it was created by other people. At least mostly so….
….something involving “white supremacy” and “systemic racism”, probably, boans….
Overall, Megan, that’s excellent. But there’s 2 both very huge, and minor points that jumped right off the screen and gobsmacked me upside the head. About the pseudoscience of psychiatry I’m in substantial agreement with you, but that “blame game” is lame and ultimately counter-productive and eventually becomes outright self-destructive. It’s the blame game, not psychiatry that ends up doing harm, unless you’re a psychiatric prisoner. Some time after escaping psychiatry, one must stop playing the blame game, or else….
But it’s your ideological distortion in blaming “capitalism” that I find to be ridiculous non-sense. Name me one other country, or economic system that’s really any better or different? Russia? China? North Korea? Europe? South America? Canada? Name me one place that’s better. See what I mean? Capitalism neither requires nor demands the excesses you ascribe to it.
Strong healthy persons create strong healthy societies. Strong healthy societies create strong healthy persons. It’s BOTH. NOT an “either/or”, as you mis-conceptualize it…..
Other than those 2 points, everything else you’ve written is excellent, and I hope it’s widely read….
Funny you should mention our “leaders” speaking out against POC’s(Persons of Chinese) being targets of bad acts from folks blaming them for the Communist Chinese Party coronavirus Covid-19. I’ve heard exactly ZERO verified news reports of that actually happening. But multiple warnings about that were issued by our erstwhile “leaders”…. Also, boans, I wrote about you in another comment on another story here at MiA, so please let me know any feedback you might have about that, ok?….
And Paula Caplan, BLESS YOUR HEART. You use such polite and professional words to describe what I’m seeing too! TPTB, the “system”, the “government”, create a life-threatening existential crisis, exaggerate, distort, confuse, obfuscate, bloviate, and terrify “We The People”, then proclaim that they alone can deal with, cope with, “treat”, etc., the results of their creation! So-called “gain-of-function” experiments in Wuhan Biolab in collaboration with Fauci’s NIAID may or may not be responsible for the deliberate or unintentional creation and release of a “novel” (“fiction”) coronavirus. But gee, maybe it’s a naturally occurring zoonotic coronavirus virus after all! You’d think CRISPR and the manufacturing process known as “PCR” would have resulted in more actionable microbiological knowledge by now. Maybe Nobel-prize winning Dr. Kerry Mullis was wrong that his PCR invention was NOT sufficiently reliable to serve in a diagnostic role, and that they have nailed down how many dozen PCR iterations are sufficient for a plausible definitive diagnosis, positive OR negative!
So good to hear your breath of fresh air and common sense, Paula. Yes, I really, really mean that….
Will. DUDE! Do what I’ve done. I am VERY WELL KNOWN to the local, County, and State police and law enforcement community. I OFTEN speak face-to-face with cops. Yes, I’ve had a few very minor “incidents” over the years with them. It’s called “pushback”, and each time STRENGTHENS ME.
Talk is cheap. The WALK is the WORK. Talk is just high-falutin gossip….
They sure as heck don’t care about black mental patients…. Ask yourself why BLM will NEVER call for more black psychiatrists, and mental health workers. Mental illness is far more stigmatized in the black community than in the white. NAMI is probaly 90 -95% white. WHY?….
IMHO, current times are both far more perilous, and safe and hopeful, than most folks believe. We are ALL being controlled and manipulated by dark and powerful forces that only a few of us see at all clearly. The media is NOT our friend. Trump is correct, in that FAKE NEWS is far more pervasive than YOU realize. That’s the nature of our Globalist oppressors.
Marx himself was a co-opted puppet of the Globalist Capitalists, – their very well-CONTROLLED OPPOSITION. Radical freedom struggles to speak and be heard.
Garth Daniels. Been a few years since we’ve heard an update on his story. Australian shrinks were in process of killing him with neuro-toxins and Electro-Cution Torture, so-called “ECT”…. He had some help fighting back against the system. Maybe you’d find more on local AU media….
Think about exactly WHAT a “personality” actually IS…. It was created inside you, by other people, and then it becomes only what other people outside you perceive of you. In a very real sense, a “personality” is a figment of the imagination. A “personality” is at best a changeable mental construct. A set of concepts, and interpretations of perceived behavior. Me? I had my personality surgically removed decades ago, and i’m a much happier man because of that. And just exactly HOW CLOSE to WHAT BORDER is that? Are there border guards? What’s on the other side of that borderline? Seems to me, so-called “BPD” is like Santa Claus and unicorns. Only as “real” as it’s believed to be, and only in the minds of those who choose, or are forced to believe in it. I don’t believe in the superstition of BPD. Thoughts on this, Jill?….
I’ve seen the carnage PhRMA inflicted with opiates, on top of illegal heroin, and Chinese-supplied fentanyl, on top of the profit-driven carnage of legal, and FORCED psych drugs, right here in my nice clean, quiet, safe little New England college town. I’m glad you’re writing here, Jill. Good to see that some, at least, are saved before it’s too late
What did i just read?….funny, those ARE MY WORDS, but i don’t remember writing them…
And i never used heroin. Why did i say i used heroin? My name is Bill, not Jill. I’m so confused! What did i just read? Those are MY WORDS! MY WORDS! And i’m so glad to see they fit you, too! They look good on you!
Is it to soon to say, “Death to the psychiatric oppressors!”, or do we have to wait until 2021….????….
I get what you’re saying, Steve, and I basically agree with you here, – you KNOW that! But you are simply not seeing it from THEIR point of view. They have no interest in “saving money”, that’s ludicrous to them! They are only concerned with money, power, and control. And they will gladly spend, ( or waste, from our perspective), any amount of money needed to maintain their power and control. Doesn’t the old line about “if you can’t dazzle ’em with brilliance, then baffle ’em with bullshit” ring a bell? Well, they are just as happy to baffle with brilliance, as dazzle with bullshit. Read that carefully. And no, they do NOT care how much money they spend, or waste. Why should they? They are RICH, and getting RICHER! Your “poverty consciousness” does you wrong here, Steve.
Only poor people care about “saving money”….
Psychiatric PSEUDOSCIENCE. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience!
Modern astrologers actually use real digital electronic COMPUTERS to craft their astrological charts. Psychiatrists at most, use computers to write their ANECDOTAL reports! A modern astrological chart is the result of computational calculation. A psychiatric report is AT BEST educated guesswork.
Ergo, psychiatry is LESS SCIENTIFIC than astrology…. Because, as the above article PROVES, there is NO logical or rational connection, nor can there ever be, between an fMRI scan, and ANY so-called “mental illness”, not even so-called “ADHD”….
Of COURSE you’re “missing something”, Sera, and you prove my point while you actually deny the reality of the point you’re proving. Another word for WHAT and WHY you’re doing is HUBRIS. My understanding of whatever “critical” theory you subscribe to is that it presupposes and posits that those with “privilege” either can not, or will not, acknowledge that privilege to any significant extent. They may be perceptive enough to “admit” their privilege exists to some degree, but they then proceed to deny or downplay their privilege, all the while truly NOT understanding the nature or extent of that privilege. In other words, Sera, you can’t acknowledge, much less see and understand your own privilege, because to do so would violate the arbitrary rules you have adopted as your own view of reality. And, if I were younger and less wise, I would probably be offended at the polite dismissal and denial you extend to me here. In plain English, Sera, you were very rude and offensive to first, Harvard guy”, and then to myself. I am an oppressed person here at MiA, Sera. But what do I know?
I was first forced on psych drugs in the mid-1970’s. You have the privilege of calling “Harvard guy” “Harvard guy”, and the hubris to not even see the expression of contempt to which your gender and profession entitles you…. Sometimes, pots and kettles are WHITE…. (….but as a full-blooded Native American, my color is Blood red, not commie Red….)….
Steve, it’s been 2 days in the middle of the week. WHY is my comment still awaiting “moderation”….????….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a mechanism of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neurotoxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good. If the best we can do is articles like the above, we will be afflicted with psychiatry for too long into the future….may as well gather round the May pole, and chant a few rounds of “Some drugs are good meds, and more are better”….
What a joke. The equivalent would be if was the Black Lives Don’t Really Matter movement….
Psychiatry is a PSEUDOSCIENCE. I’d argue that astrology is a more legitimate science than psychiatry can ever be. Astrology has been practiced for 1000’s of years. Psychiatry is at most a couple hundred years old. Long past time to toss psychiatry where it belongs. On the scrap heap of history….
The one time I was really ( sort of, but not really REALLY) “suicidal”, I was probably more “homicidal”. After about 3 days in the local psych ward, i decided to mess with their heads. During “morning meeting”, I said
to the staff I was actually not “mental”, but rather I was a college student writing a research paper, and that’s why I lied my way into the place. They sent me home that day, which was stupid on their part, but lucky for me! Otherwise, I have been victimized several times by persons LYING and falsely claiming I was “suicidal”, when I was NOT. Being abused by those in power for being supposedly “suicidal” has hurt me worse than if I had just killed myself. The pain of being abused by the system is worse than any of my own personal pain.
BTW, i find Sera’ s repeated use of the phrase “Harvard guy” to be disrespectful, demeaning, juvenile, dismissive, and inappropriate coming from Mia staff writers. She is using her OWN PRIVILEGE here, in the same exact way that “Harvard guy” uses his. No, 2 wrongs don’t make a right, but sometimes they do make it even. Which means we have gone in a complete circle, and have made NO PROGRESS.
2 points jump right out for me. The “hospital” is never IDENTIFIED. (You call it a “hospital”, but it’s design and function is that of a JAIL, or PRISON.) What’s the name, location, etc? Is it public or private? For-profit or non-profit?
These facts are vital to full understanding, and their omission is a serious flaw in an otherwise excellent narrative.
Also, logically and rationally, your son died either because of, or else in spite of, the “treatment” he received. It’s possible that it was BOTH, but it is NOT possible that it was neither. Therefore, AT MOST, the treatment failed to help, and might have actually caused his death. So we have a prison disguised as a hospital, and healthcare which kills. That’s why the TRUTH is that
“Psychiatry is a genocidal pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a mechanism of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM THAN GOOD.”….and here we have more proof of that….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a mechanism of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, or unicorns, but not more real. The DSM is in fact a catalog of billing codes. Everything in it was either created or invented. NOTHING in it was DISCOVERED.
M. REID, until and unless you realize that there is ONLY ONE HUMAN MIND, and that we ALL SHARE IT, all I can say is: Meh…..
ECT = Electro-Cution Torture
Get it right, people!….
There are exactly, and only, 4 groups of people for whom so-called “anti-depressants” are VERY EFFECTIVE:
….WTF?….”precision psychiatry”? That makes as much sense as “random specificity”. In other words, it’s NONSENSE….
Twas brillig and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe, all mimsy were the barrowgroves, and the momewraths outgrabe…. Let’s be honest here, ok? Psychiatry is a bullshit drug racket and means of social control. It’s a PSEUDOSCIENCE!….
Caroline, unless you really don’t know about “Crimson Contagion”, and “Event 201”, i think you should be honest, and call it a PLAN-demic!… So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, or unicorns, but not more real….
….we’re a bunch of TAIL FEATHERS here at MiA….
It will be a miracle. An ordinary, everyday miracle, yes, but still a miracle nevertheless…. But yes, most miracles do seem to require some amount of time and work to come true. And once you start the work, good results happen!
Something among the MANY things i learned in A.A. meetings, and from working the 12 Steps:
“We’re only as sick as the secrets we keep.” I no longer “keep secrets”. There is NOTHING that i cannot, or will not talk about. And in talking about it, i gain power over it, and freedom from it. The secrets of the Durst Family are theirs alone. But Evan CAN gain freedom and power over them. I hope Evan is given the chance to tell (some of, at least!), his own story here at MiA. Thanks, Jim, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as unicorns & presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. The DSM is in fact a catalog of billing codes. Everything in it was either invented or created, not discovered. PSYCHIATRY LIES.
There’s no such thing as an “app deficit” in human medicine….that’s a business and financial problem. ALL problems in medicine are HUMAN, not AI. And the biggest problem with AI is the so-called “AI Virus….. I think in future years we’ll see few of the alleged benfits of AI pan out….
The word “republic” appears in the U.S. Constitution in reference to America’s form of government. The word “democracy” does NOT. What does that tell you?….
….only NOTHING is truly “obvious to all”….
…there, i fixed it for you, “oldhead”….
There are really only 2 reasons why anybody supports psychiatry, and they are NOT mutually exclusive. Ignorance, and EVIL. There, i fixed it for you, Steve….
As an older man, Erin, let me assure you that there ARE good men out there, who would gladly father a child with you. If that’s what you really want. Finding that man could be a classic case of “easier said than done”, however. But the possibility DOES EXIST. And in case you haven’t heard of it, please read “The Velveteen Rabbit”…. &you know we’re gonna want to read more of your story….
The “mental health system” is a BLACK HOLE. It simply absorbs all light shined on it, and converts that light into DARKNESS…. duh.
Thank GOD for Dr. Jim van Os. He’s the only SANE one in the bunch! And I can sum up the entire DSM-5 “working group” in 1 scholarly word. *BULLSHIT*. YES, bullshit has been studied at University level, and scholarly papers and books written on it. So as a retired past master bullshit artist, i can say with 100% certainty, that the DSM-5 “working group” is BULLSHIT. Except Dr. van Os, of course….After all, psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drugs racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neurotoxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good. That’s because it’s bullshit! But i repeat myself….
Malcolm, i read the other 2 or 3 dozen comments here so far, and i generally agree with and endorse them. I see no need to echo them. What most strikes ME, is what i do NOT read in your story of your son. I see nothing about his MOTHER, his relationship with her, or about HIS relationship with YOU. Of course, your relationship with her, and the relationship between the 3 of you, and any OTHER family is also missing. Yes, i realize you’re still fairly recent in the grief process, so there’s plenty of time too root around in the whole mess that is ALL OF OUR LIVES! Your son will live on in our hearts and minds.
I read Dr. Breggin’s “Toxic Psychiatry” in 1992, and it quite literally opened my mind, opened my eyes, and saved my life. I’m glad you also found Moncrief. There are many of us, more each day, and we’re glad you found us, too! I’m sorry we couldn’t help your son enough soon enough. That’s how life goes sometimes. Now, i need a good bicycle ride, a bite to eat, a shower, call my friend, run that errand, etc., etc., etc.,…i can get back on the computer later!….
Since you asked: COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. That’s the painful “mindfeeling” you get when some other person’s perceived reality or facts conflicts with your own perception or facts. That’s just a start to understanding cognitive dissonance. In your case, the fabricated “reality” of the pseudoscience of psychiatry conflicts with your actual, lived REALITY. The answer, or “cure” if you will, is ACCEPTANCE. I don’t mean accept their reality as if it’s your reality too, but rather accept the simple fact that their “reality” is what it is, FOR THEM. You don’t have to like it, or agree with it, only accept that it is what it is. It’s stupid, it’s wrong, but it is THEIRS, not yours. It’s UNDERSTANDING you seek, even if your understanding is that you just don’t understand! There is much that i don’t understand, but i understand that i don’t understand, so i’m ok with it! I think the more you FACE, CONFRONT, PROCESS, AND ACCEPT, the more peace of mind you will experience. Remember to breathe, and some type of physical activity, such as stretching, yoga, walking, etc., will also help your process. We often forget that we are mind/mental/thought/feeling BEINGS, AND ALSO PHYSICAL…. This is SOME of what’s helped me, since i escaped the lies of the pseudoscience drug racket called “psychiatry” over 20 years ago. I really hope you find this helpful. That’s my intention here. You’re in the right place, anyway!
I’m not going to waste my time refuting you point-by-point on your claims. Please read these few simple words of mine VERY carefully, and THINK long and hard about them. “Trump is an idiot, a jerk, a distraction, and a puppet, but that’s about all”….
Thank-you for trying to be a voice of reason. I only 1/2 agree with your analysis of capitalism, but i’d rather focus on eradicating the scourge of psychiatry. THAT WE DO AGREE ON, right, “oldhead”?…. my friend, i hope?….
Did you just recently figure out that Congress, especially the House, is basically a well-funded PhRMA puppet? I’d like to have the time to refute the many false anti-Trump statements made here by many people, but i’m vastly outnumbered, and under-supported and under-resourced. Trump is a DISTRACTION, and a SYMPTOM. Trump is not the problem. Don’t you people get it? TRUMP IS A DISTRACTION. TRUMP IS A PUPPET. When you finally realize those TRUTHS, then you might begin to think more freely and naturally, and logically, and rationally…. Your pathological Trump-hatred warps your mind. Trump is a jerk and idiot, that’s all.
I wish i’d read the CV/bio of the authors BEFORE i wrote my first comment. The pseudoscience of psychiatry is the personification of MEDICAL FASCISM. To the extent that anybody supports the FRAUD and SCAM of psychiatry, they also support the ongoing CRIMES of psychiatry. There can be no compromise with human evil. And psychiatry is the personification of human evil. The banality of evil. That’s my opinion, hard-earned by being tortured by psychiatry. If it was within my power, psychiatry would cease to exist. Keep trying, kids….
Maybe it was just edited out here, but i’m concerned that we see nothing here about “Alma’s” feelings of guilt at not being able to save every patient. So-called ” toxic guilt” is a valid issue, and has well-developed means for addressing it. It’s too long and involved to go in to, here…. But i’m encouraged by what i read here. Problem i see, is that you folks are simply NOT “radical” and “reformist” enough!…
MARIA! Dr. Quarato! This is probably the *BEST* piece of “plandemic” writing i have EVER READ!, – yet!…. i’m assuming English is not your native language, and that your University/College education puts your language skills above average. But you haven’t “dumbed-down”, or simplified your thoughts and words here. That’s going to be a challenge for many readers. But the effort to read, and UNDERSTAND your words here will be richly rewarded. You, Maria, are among the people America, Austria, Italy, and the WORLD MOST NEED NOW. i mean that most sincerely. I actually cried ( a little! ), at the BEAUTY of the TRUTH of your words and thoughts here…. i think the implications of your words are more profound than you may realize….and yes, you have much to learn from us EXPERTS here at MiA, and i hope we see more of your writing here soon. The world needs you now, Maria. That’s whst i think, anyway. But what do i know? I’m an escaped psychiatric patient!…. ( my comment history contains much of my story….)….
Yes, in 2016, i voted Trump for exactly 3 reasons. 1. The FakeNews/MSM media was so blatatly pro-Hilary and pro-Democrat party, and anti-Trump and anti-Republican party, that i voted Trump as a way to say, “screw you!”, and even out the balance. 2.The way Hilary & the Dems treated Bernie Sanders was appalling. I think a Clinton/Sanders ticket could have, and would have won. 3. Hilary is WORSE THAN TRUMP.
That’s what i think. And i will be disappointed, but not surprised, if i actually get kicked off MiA for expressing my personal truth here, and daring to “defend Trump”. But so what? I’m an escaped mental patient, and survivor of psychiatry, too….can YOU handle the TRUTH? I can…. (this could get interesting….
Very glad to hear you’re doing as well as you are, David, and keep up the good work! I’m on the MindFreedom email list, but aside from an occasional email, MF may as well not even exist for me. I have to agree with (some of) what “oldhead” says above in his comment. I reject the whole “mad pride” and “revolution” rhetoric. And i strongly support the idea that NORMAL is simply what most people are most of the time, more or less. So i am both normal, and abnormal, BOTH. Also, i strongly reject Alinsky as the un-American and anti-American “domestic enemy” which i believe him to be. Let Alinsky rot on the scrap-heap of history along with other mistakes such as the dual FRAUDS of Freud & the pseudoscience of psychiatry. I do NOT self-identify as a so-called “psychiatric survivor”, because i do not want to give any undeserved legitimacy to the lies of the pseudoscience drug racket known as psychiatry. And, unlike “oldhead”, i have no real issue with the basic ideas or existence of so-called “capitalism”, which was created by the same folks who created socialism, communism, fascism, democracy, libertarianism, and capitalism. The only “ism” i support and endorse is AMERICANISM. i was in 10th grade when my parents first took me to a psychiatrist, who gave me a bogus “diagnosis” (stigma-label), and an Rx prescription for neuro-toxic drugs. The next 20+ years of my life were WASTED by the lies of the pseudoscience drug racket and social control mechanism called “psychiatry”. I’ve been 100% psychiatry-free for well over 20 years now. Thank GOD! I’m a non-sectarian Protestant Buddhist Christian, and i’m very comfortable in that belief system. So, while i’m truly very glad to see you doing so well, and glad to see you back here at MiA, i also see NO PLACE for me in your “movement”, or whatever you call “it”. BTW, no, there are NO typos in this comment. Maybe your world of “no normal” is my “dystopian nightmare”? RSVP????….(i grant MiA permission to give you my email….)….
That’s why Lincoln was ASSASSINATED! Duh!
I think you need to do more research on 80yr old Fauci. He did NOT study virology in medical school because it didn’t exist yet at that time, and Fauci is an acolyte of Bill Gates demonic wetdream of forced vaccinationing everybody along with Global surveillance and tracking of people by the Gov’t….
Sorry, Sedarati, but i think you’re over-intellectualizing, and misunderstanding Peterson’s words and philosophical perspective. Peterson is the father of 2 adult children. You, Sederati, have NO children, correct? So you can ONLY IMAGINE the real, lived experience which forms the basis of Petersons views. Not all gestural redirection and physical correction of misbehavior is the same as “corporal punishment” .
Thank-you, Steve, for so generously and graciously granting me permission to disagree with you. A so-called “microaggression” exists ONLY in the mind’s eye of the beholder. If it’s concious and deliberate, it is NOT a “microaggression”, it’s ACTUAL agression. And until and unless it’s perceived as such by the victim, it’s NOT a “microaggression”, it’s simply rude and boorish behavior.
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“Global Depopulation Agenda” is 21st Century eugenics. So-called “eugenics” is SO 20th Century!….
Personally, when I see “newspeak” linguistic fabrications such as “individuals facing mental health challenges”, i no longer barf and puke in disgust, i only roll my eyes and softly groan in dismay at the babbling sheeple. So-called “mental illness” is something that either ALL of us have, or else NONE of have. Could be both, can’t be neither. ALL “mental illnesses” are in fact STD’s. The mental health system gives them to you….
Thank-you for this, Sasha. You’re young, idealistic, and still naive. The so-called Covid-19 is best seen as a PLAN-demic. It’s really only about money, power, and control. The “GREG B.’s”, – the Global Ruling Elites and Global Banksters, ONLY CARE about profits, not persons. That’s a harsh reality, but it IS REALITY. Why else would we still have a pseudoscience like psychiatry given so much power? BTW, of the $4Trillion, Johnson&Johnson are getting $500Million+ to develop a “vaccine”. After every adult American gets $1200., there’s $1.5Trillion left over. WHO gets that? No, W.H.O. only gets some of that, kid. Research Fauci & AIDS from the 1980’s & 90’s, and his PhRMA ties…. It’s about money, power, and control, NOT “public health”. I can only tell you tiny pieces of the truth here – it’s up to you to choose whether you remain asleep, or truly wake up. You ain’t nowhere near as woke as you’d like to think you are. Rsvp?….
We ALL need new ideas and new thinking and thoughts. We can never create the changes we need without these new realities. First, each one of us has our own unique, idiosyncratic brain which was created by our unique genetic code. We DO have some abilities to affect the structure and function of our brains by our chosen behaviors, such as exercise and meditation. But our MIND is NOT ours alone. Our mind was created for us, by other people speaking to us, and interacting with us. Our “mental” is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION! So when any of us is victimized by a psychiatric label of “mental illness”, that says far more about our SICK SOCIETY AS A WHOLE, than it does about us as individuals. We’re “sick” BECAUSE of the pseudoscience of psychiatry, not in spite of it….
ANTHONY! WELCOME! I was going to get “first comment” honors here, but Rachel’s comment posted WHILE I WAS LOGGING IN! LOL….
Anyway, your writing here is probably in the Top Ten for MiA….
Rachel is correct. America is the 3rd most screwed up country in the world for so-called “mental health”, and the pseudoscience drugs racket and mechanism of social control known as “psychiatry”.
England and Australia are fighting, and swap places regularly for 2nd & 1st….
But that’s enough of this Buddhist bullshit….
Scientology is the only thing worse than anti-psychiatry to the quack shrink pill-pushers!….
I assume that the Boston Globe is one of the corporate underwriters and financial supporters of the torture device testing facility known as the “Judge Rotenberg Center”….
WRONG! Not only “can we judge Fry’s motives”, we MUST. Fry has put both his motives and intentions, and his entire world view and perspective both ONLINE, and OUT THERE to be judged. He’s literally delusional.
He’s superstitious, paranoid, and dangerous. People such as Fry do far more harm than good. His entire “argument” is at best pseudoscience. And sadly, most persons in positions of power think like Fry does. They think *what* Fry does. They *believe* both what and how Fry does. THAT is THE PROBLEM. THE WHOLE THING, Fry included, is *WRONG*. Yoiu really don’t get it, I don’t think you get it, “FeelinDiscouraged”. FRY IS WRONG. TOTALLY WRONG….He’s full of very erudite bullshit…. Fry’s “intentions” are in fact an expression of EVIL. FRY IS EVIL. How much more clear can I make it?….
Dr. K, Dr. K., you just make TOO much sense. Nobody’s gonna believe you, except maybe here at MiA….
As you might expect, I’ve got Whan China-originated coronavirus Covid-19 on my mind. And it seems like ALL the “authorities”, from Fauci at CDC, to the local health Dept., are simply repeating the same short, not very informative paragraph over and over and over and over…. Gee, seems I recall once reading about hypnosis and brainwashing techniques, and how BOTH these forms of social manipulation worked by repeating the same simple phrases over and over and over and over…. And the same FedGov and Global Corporate Masters that control the media also control the banks and Wall St., and pretty much all us masses of little people, too. I agree completely with what Dr. Kelmenson is saying here, and I’ve seen it proven in my own life. Psychiatry and PhRMA seek only to increase their WEALTH, POWER, and CONTROL over the masses, and do it all under the guise of benevolence and good healthcare. Whatever psychiatry is, it’s neither good, nor is it good healthcare. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drugs racket, and a mechanism of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good. And now you don’t only have to take my word for it. Each in our own words, Dr. K. and I are basically saying the SAME THING….
Dr. Dhar’s review of “The Lancet” article on homeless people and so-called “COVID-19” raises the bar here at MiA. The extensive use here of embedded links back to past MiA articles on homelessness, health, mental health, drugs&pharmaceuticals, Society, etc., also raises the bar for MiA as a whole. I’m FAR MORE IMPRESSED with Dr. Dhar’s review than I am sure that I will be when I actually read the whole “The Lancet” article. I know what kind of idiot doctors write for “The Lancet”, and there’s no guarantee that “The Lancet” hasn’t used, in whole or in part, GHOST WRITERS for their article here. I meet with, work with, eat with, visit, at “home”, shelter, or community, homeless people EVERY DAY. I’ve spent years homeless myself. I’m a survivor of the pharmaceutical psychiatric genocide myself. Yeah, I know what I’m talking about here. And “person experiencing homelessness” is the MOST RIDICULOUS NONSENSE, linguistically, and conceptually, that’s going around these days. It’s almost to the same level of ridiculous nonsense as the Chinese coronavirus they named COVID-19, which as everybody knows was either released from, or escaped from, the Chinese Communist Government Army BIO-WEAPON Lab in Wuhan China. I prefer to remain an infectious carrier of hope, optimism, smiles and laughter, and spread immunity to negativity, pessimism, frowns, fear, and anger. Thank-you, Dr. Dhar, for joining me! KEEP UP the GOOD WORK, people!
OMG!, Laurie!….Your whole story above, is TL;DR for me now, but I read 1/3 way through carefully, then skimmed the rest.
I used to describe my case as “Iatrogenic Neuroleptic Pharmaceutical Cerebral Cognitive Impairment Malfunction”, but today I simply use, “Iatrogenic Neurolepsis”…. I actually got a *NURSE* to enter my Iatrogenic Neurolepsis diagnosis into my formal medical record, because she didn’t know what “iatrogenic” meant! That list of Rx drugs is almost not credible. You need a team of good lawyers to assist you in several tort claim lawsuits. That’s the best way to overcome the blatant systemic anosognosia as regards all the Rx drugs. They are not the “fake news” euphemism “meds”, or “medications”, rather, drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs, etc., NOT MEDS!….
KEEP UP the GOOD WORK
Dr. Paula Kaplan, once again! EXCELLENT! Excerpts from your review should be put on the cover of future editions, and used now by the Publisher’s marketing team!
I think it was the 3rd Edition of “Alcoholics Anonymous”, the so-called “Big Book” of A.A., and it was on page 449.
“Acceptance is the answer to all my problems….”…. It deals with self-acceptance of oneself as you are, and also acceptance of others, and all of life as it is…. It was a new idea at the time, and it’s validated by both your review, and more so by Sommer’s excellent book, which I can hardly wait to read. as happy as I am, I’m not perfect yet, and Sommer’s book will have much valuable wisdom for me, that I hope to continue to share…. THANK-YOU, and KEEP UP the GOOD WORK!….
I clicked your name above your comment, Andrei, and read ALL your other comments. You’re an amazing man, with VERY deep and ACCURATE insights. Your English is VERY GOOD. Please continue to comment here often. Even some of the regular commenters here need to hear what you have to say. You’re Romania’s gift to our efforts to create a world free of psychiatry and it’s poison pills and tortures!
Noel, that’s so good, I can only skim parts of it at a time. I can’t read it all at once carefully. I’m doing real well, all things considered, and I’m a happy man today. But I still have a lifetime worth of healing ahead of me!
Thank-you for such a detailed road map! How can we get your writing in front of a much wider audience, like EVERY teacher and school administrator?….
We love you here at MiA. You CAN choose to be a happy person, if you so choose. You DO have that power. We ALL have that power. If you don’t think you have enough of that power on your own, – here, wait a sec, ok, THERE IT IS, – I’m sending you a whole bunch of my power through the Akashic Records….You should start receiving it in your dreams tonight, and feeling it start to work in the morning….It’s just a little seed of power, so please water it with tears, and make sure it gets plenty of Sunny smiles. It’s Spring, so it’ll grow good for you….YOU CAN HEAL, because I KNOW YOU CAN!….
Jo Ann, – I’m sorry I didn’t see this reply from you a year ago! There’s another aspect of this that NOBODY has mentioned here yet. I’ll try to keep it simple. The demographics of many school districts in many parts of the U.S. are such that people are having smaller families, and younger families are moving away, often because the economy is changing, and good paying jobs aren’t so easily available. The result of all that is a declining rate of enrollment, or at least a dramatic slowing of student numbers, – there’s fewer students in schools than there would otherwise be. And there’s more people looking for work, because there’s fewer good jobs. So if student numbers are dropping, you’d think the budget would be dropping, too, right? NO! that won’t work! Look at all those 6-figure administrator’s salaries! So the “answer”, or “solution” is to LABEL KIDS with various “disabilities”, and “special needs”, and “mental health disorders”, & etc.
More labeled kids means more Federal money. More labeled kids means more DRUG$ $OLD, which means more business for the local drug store, and more demand for all those “tutors”, and “sped workers”. More diagnosed kids means more City, County and State workers, so more paychecks. For every “diagnosed” school kid, the local “community mental health center” is looking at a MINIMUM of $100,000./year in salaries for staff alone! And that doesn’t include the dollar amount the local school board is looking at!
(Yes, those are ACTUAL DOLLAR FIGURES from local news reports! I am presenting them in a slightly different format here.)
What you’ve described above, Jo Ann, is literally being done, in many, many cases, by many, many people
KNOWINGLY, WILLINGLY, DELIBERATELY, and *FOR* *PROFIT*…. Disabling kids for money….literally.
And you thought Nazis were sick bastards….????….
WOO-HOO! FIRST COMMENT!….which is ironic, because my comments typically take anywhere from 1 to several days to appear, because the internet is as slow as cold maple syrup running uphill in January, here in the hills of SW New Hampshire….so there’ll probably be several OTHER comments, before you, Dear Reader, see mine. I haven’t seen my old friend Eric Coates in months now, and now I see what he’s been doing, – WRITING! As usual, I’m finding Eric’s current opus “TLDR”, but that’s mostly because the public library whose computer I’m using to write this comment closes in less than an hour. Because of my Iatrogenic Disability, (caused by psychiatrists & psych drugs), I’m too poor to afford a computer and internet access of my own.
So I’ve only read the first couple paragraphs of Eric’s latest here….and it deserves much more careful reading than that. I’m hoping Eric realizes that those “voices” he “hears” are what most of the rest of us call “thinking”. They’re NORMAL THOUGHTS. (I’m not including certain types of physical brain damage, – TBI, – or the effects of psych drugs and street drugs. But those types of “heard voices” have distinctly NON-psychiatric causes.) Normal, that is, given the circumstances of various types of trauma and abuse. “Abuse” including verbal, emotional, mental, psychological, etc.,….there’s many forms of abuse, and many, many, many abused persons. And many abused persons. But that’s all I’ve got for now. let’s see what Mr. Eric Coates, and the other “motley crue” of MiA commenters have to say, shall we….????….
To your comment above, – which I’ve just now seen, but which had no “reply” button, – what I learned YEARS ago, is that BAD HELP is WORSE than no help at all….
I was 15, in High School, 10th grade, when my parents took me to a psychiatrist. I got a bogus “diagnosis”, and a prescription for PSYCH DRUGS. I was off to the races. The next 20 years of my life, which should have been the BEST 20 years of my life, were a living hell of dysfunction, psych drugs, and hospitalizations. I found Dr. Peter Breggin’s book “Toxic Psychiatry” in 1992, and read it. And READ IT.
Dr. Peter Breggin, you literally SAVED MY LIFE. I’ve been “shrink-proof” for 25 years now. Off ALL psych drugs, and no more “community mental health center”, either! If I knew then, what I know now, I NEVER would have taken that first dose of neuro-toxin! THANK-YOU, Dr. Peter Breggin! You’re one of the few exceptions which proves the rule!….
WORD SALAD….that’s basically what the whole article above is, *WORD* *SALAD*….
And does anybody else note that “RDoC” is about *RESEARCH*, and trying to legitimize the current pseudoscience lies of psychiatry, and increase funding for *RESEARCH*?…. One driver of the apparent, so-called “shortage of psychiatrists”, is the fact that psychs are increasingly moving into RESEARCH of various types, and essentially abandoning “clients”….????…. Yup, just more psychiatric WORD SALAD….gnaw, gnaw, gnaw, chew, chew, chew….yummy word salad!….
Yeah, more bullshit. No better word describes this article, besides word salad, and BULLSHIT…..
We all need to be on our guard for such internalized prejudice and conditioners to manifest in depressive and destructive weights. But to seriously believe that sexism and racism can be resolved within the context of the “mental health” system ignores the social purpose and function of the “mental health” ruse, which is to reinforce socially programming and and conformity to the corrupt values and premises to which we are enslaved in a Medusa-like mortal coil of unimaginable horror. We all need to be responsible for our behavior crimes, and also to reject the concept of redemption for others where inappropriate as determined by the widest, broadest possible consensus of so-called “mental health workers employed at the behest of the dominant heirarchy, and the genocidal patriarchy which drags us down into the delusional rape of our underskins and nubbins. But to look at the “mental health” system or it’s structures for answers to our eternal existential rapists and abusers posing as our benighted therapists under a street light where you lost your keys in the bushes because the light’s better. If I could only be more profound, I would be deeper than the Marianas Trench.
“We have met the enemy, and they is us.” Is THAT what you’re trying to say, Steve?….
“….psychiatry itself is not the enemy, it is only one manifestation of the enemy”? Really, McCrea?….That’s as far as you’ve gotten?….You still believe in “enemies”?…. In “”real” enemies”, and presumably “unreal enemies”?…. Sorry, Steve McCrea, but I still don’t see your own internalized AUTHORITARIANISM as the “enemy”, and I KNOW that YOU DON’T, either….
Remember, McCrea, a far wiser soul than I once said, “With power comes responsibility.”….
OK, I understand Nikkel asking “”How?” are we educating psychiatrists in medical schools?”, but I think a more appropriate question is *WHY?* are we educating psychiatrists in medical schools? The answer is, “So we can maintain the delusional fiction that psychiatrists are legitimate medical doctors.”
C’mon, Nikkel, you know it’s easier to maintain the fiction of psychiatry being a “medical specialty” if you include them in medical schools.
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, – as shown here,- and a mechanism of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins, – as shown here. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good.
Then there must also be such a thing as taking other people too seriously, Frank….
With too few exceptions, psychiatrists take themselves WAY, WAY, way too seriously….
My gripe with the phrase/word/label of “anti-psychiatry” is that it gives psychiatry too much credibility and legitimacy….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a mechanism of social control….
Are you suggesting, Frank, that I’m an as-yet un-reformed “fool”….????….
How do these people live with themselves? Kendler is a FAKE, a FRAUD, a CHARLATAN, a MOUNTEBANK, a HUCKSTER, etc. How much more clear can I be? Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. The DSM-5 is best seen as little more than a CATALOG of BILLING CODES. Everything in the DSM-5 was either INVENTED, or CREATED. Nothing in the DSM-5 was *discovered*. Why should the rest of us, who value concepts like truth, beauty, freedom, etc., have to put up with the Kendlers of the world? Is it in fact wrong, if I were to suggest that the Kendlers of the world should not be allowed to live? I say that psychiatry practices GENOCIDE, and that FOOLS such as Kendler, grossly over-educated, are in fact EVIL, GENOCIDAL, and should NOT be allowed to live. Yeah, I mean that. When will the rest of us, who value things like TRUTH, BEAUTY, FREEDOM, etc., wake up and see the enemy within? Kendler is the enemy. The Kendlers of the world must die. That’s my opinion, anyway. I’d love to see what Kendler has to say to me! More crap like he’s written here, no doubt….
I just spent an hour or 2, clicking links on the article above….I even went to the Homepage of the American Psychiatric Association. Clicked on the link to “buy” a copy of the DSM-5. And got an “error” page! So I couldn’t buy a DSM-5 from the quack shrinks, even when I tried to! LOL…..
But seriously, folks, much of what I read on those linked pages can be easily condensed to 2 words:
PSYCHOBABBLE, and GOBBLEDYGOOK….. What a bunch of over-educated IDIOTS!….
But that’s not just an idle insult…. I’ve been reading their tripe for enough decades that I sometimes almost find myself seduced by the sheer intellectual masturbation of it all…. It’s so high falutin’ and edu-ma-cated sounding! Must be REAL, huh?…. Hey, they got Ph.D’s and shit!….They must know what they’re talking about! No, really, actually, most of them are grossly over-educated, and so full of their own self-referential bullshit, that they can’t even see it. They have an especially virulent form of professional anosognosia….
They literally can’t see the beautiful forest of life, for their own bullshit DSM trees….
Psychiatry can’t see the GENOCIDE it daily inflicts on people…. Too busy working on the DSM-6, maybe….
Different benzos have different effects on different persons, and that’s not even counting so-called “paradoxical” effects…. Of course, neither PhRMA, nor the pseudoscience drug racket of psychiatry is AT ALL interested in studying these things…. I would hope that something like “pharmaco-genetics” is part of Mr. Jordan Peterson’s treatment…. He’s a valuable voice, with a valuable point of view to counteract the media Corporate brainwashing propaganda…..
The DSM is best seen as what it really is, – a CATALOG of BILLING CODES…. Everything in the DSM was either invented or created. Nothing in it was discovered. Think about that for a while….
Bernays is credited with being the “Father of Public Relations”, aka “PR”…..
Credited by *who* exactly is another matter….
….ah, but NOW it’s “mental health”!…On Monday this week, I literally watched Amy Klobuchar state, “1 out of 5 Americans will struggle with *mental* *health* this year”…. In other words, I guess, 4 out of 5 Americans are fine with, and don’t struggle with, so-called “mental health”….whatever the hell THAT is!….
The DSM is best seen for what it TRULY is: A Catalog of Billing Codes. Everything in the DSM was either invented, or created. NOTHING in the DSM was discovered. Think about that a while….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good….
And the DSM is STILL noting more than a catalog of billing codes. Nothing in it was “discovered”, – everything in it was either invented or created. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real…. And I bet nobody will challenge my statements here….because they are TRUTH.
EVERY so-called “diagnosis” in the DSM-5 was either invented, or created. NONE were discovered. *THINK* about that a while….
Well that was far more fair and balanced than I expected, but it was still very skewed, propagandist, and a diversion from the truth. The TRUTH is that most mass-casualty school shooters have 2 things in common, – psychiatric “treatment”, and psych drugs. Starting in the 1990’s, most so-called “anti-depressants” have carried mandatory “black box” warnings about increased risk of “suicidal and homicidal ideation and behavior”. In other words, YES!, a person, especially teenaged males, on psych drugs, is far more likely to commit violent acts, including gun crimes. This is true, even if you agree that the so-called “mentally ill” in general are less likely to commit violent crimes. And consider, the article almost actually states that committing gun crimes is “normal”! And then everybody’s favorite bogeyman, “stigma” pops up! And, since the only real source of this vague and ephemeral “stigma” is psychiatrists, psych drugs, and the DSM, well, …. My, my, my, what a FINE MESS psychiatry and psych drugs have created! Even fools such as Presidential candidate Amy Klobuchar are saying there are “too few” psychiatrists, and that we need more of them!
I’m sorry there were so few voices from the survivors of the lies of the pseudoscience drug racket known as “psychiatry”…. I was taken to a psychiatrist, and given a bogus “diagnosis” and psych drugs in high school. The psychs and psych drugs ruined the best 20 years of my life. Yes, the psych drugs made me far more dangerous than I would have been without them. Thank God the only one seriously hurt was myself…. If I knew then, what I know now, I would NEVER have gone to those quack shrinks, nor taken their poison pills. And I would be much healthier and happier than I am today. I’m doing as well as I am today IN SPITE OF psychiatry and psych drugs, and NOT BECAUSE of them…. Given the pervasiveness of psychiatry and psych drugs, I’m surprised there isn’t MORE gun crime and violence….But PhRMA and the Guild of Psychiatry won’t ever let that TRUTH be spoken aloud….
She’s been one of my best friends since 2005, when she & I first met. She wants to sue her shrink. She’s deeply unhappy with the abuse disguised as “treatment”. She does NOT want to take the DRUGS she is FORCED to take. She is Court-ordered. She is a victim of genocide. Her Family is BOTh the BEST, and WORST thing in her life, – both at the same time. She wants to write a book. She hates psychiatry. She’s my friend, and her story is the story of several million Americans who are the victims of genocide. genocide, because that’s exactly what it is. I’m not ever exaggerating here. She is literally a VICTIM of GENOCIDE, and the American Taxpayer subsidizes this genocide. She’s my friend, and it hurts me to see what psychiatry is doing to her, in the name of “mental health care”. The more “mental health care” she gets, the sicker she becomes. She’s barely functional now….
Until and UNLESS, the military as a whole, the VA, *ALL* of psychology & psychiatry, *ALL* *AGREE*, that the pill-pushing poly-pharmacy of psychiatry is the single greatest PREVENTABLE CAUSE of veteran’s suicides, little will change. In other words, “too much drugs” is the #1 cause of veterans’ suicides…. But as usual, the *TRUTH* gets ignored…. Very little will change…. Use of medical cannabis is probably the single biggest break-through in the VA “mental health” arena, but main-stream media will NOT touch that story….
Whenever I see “APA”, I always have to wonder whether they mean “Psycological/Psychology” or “Psychiatric/Psychiatry”….I think BOTH professional organizations revel in the confusion, because NEITHER seems at all willing to address the confusion, much less do something about it. I can see some validity in psychology, but NONE in psychiatry. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. And sadly, psychology is not far behind as a divisive and destructive force in society. The DSM is a catalog of billing codes, and sadly, the AP(psychology)A is almost as dependent on it as psychiatrists are. Therefore, although I’m sure Rosie Philips Davis considers herself a good person, who does good for society and helps people, I don’t see her that way. By blindly accepting the EVIL of psychiatry and the DSM, she perpetuates that evil. I just kinda shake my head sadly, and roll my eyes at her and her ilk. But at least she doesn’t pretend to be a person of non-color….so that’s something good, I guess….
How are “LGBTQ” issues different from “LGBTQ+” issues? Recently, I have seen pamphlets from Tulsi Gabbard, where the construction “LGBT+” is used. How is “LGBT+” different from “LGBTQ”, and “LGBTQ+”. I found the above review/report from Luiggi-Hernandez to be excruciatingly, and needlessly, difficult to read and understand. To my mind, such an SJW mindset merely reinforces internalized colonization and subservience, therefore it serves most the whims of the colonial masters, and reinforces the victim status of those it purports to sympathize with. Thus, it is at best counter-productive, and at worst actually plays into the hands of the oppressors. That’s how I see it, and it looks quite sad to me….
ERIC! That’s BEAUTIFUL! That’s the BEST explication for anti-psychiatry that I’ve ever seen!
My only quibble here is that you seem to give short shrift to Buddhist philosophy. You must have read too much Zen. I’ve been reading the Dalai Lama’s works for years, and I have found them increasingly accessible and helpful. I especially like his descriptions of “attachments”, and breaking free of attachments, and leaning how to not make those unhealthy attachments in the first place. Also, his descriptions of the true nature of “KARMA”, that it’s basically “cause-and-effect”, and NOT personal, is also very helpful. What Mahayana Buddddhism gives me is UNDER-STANDING. When I “stand under” understanding, I feel safe, protected, and sure and certain of my life, and my place in it…. Now, can’t wait to check out your site….
Um, I thought “ACE” meant “adverse CHILDHOOD experiences”, and NOT “adverse community experiences”….Those are 2 VERY different things!….
We have one of these “warm lines” in my community. My friend, who is also a victim of forced drugging and other serious Civil Rights violations in the name of “treatment”, often calls this “warm line”. So often, in fact, that she’s now been banned from calling it! Gee, psychiatry just makes SO much sense!….
The 2 words that BEST describe this ridiculous attempt at so-called “Conceptual Competence” in the pseudoscience of psychiatry: *PSYCHOBABBLE*, and “GOBBLEDYGOOK”….. The BEST thing that could possibly happen to psychiatry is a lethal injection and humane euthenasia….
THANK-YOU, Laura! That’s a well=written, clear, and concise story you’ve told here. But it also needs to be pointed out that the “Va Tech shooter” himself was ALSO a victim of psychiatry and psych drugs. While no, I can’t prove my claim here, nevertheless I’ll make that claim. Psych drugs pulled the trigger of the gun of the “Va Tech shooter”, and psychiatrists loaded the bullets. Read that last sentence again. In the strongest possible terms I mean that. Forced psych “treatment” is the very definition of MEDICAL FASCISM. Forced psych “treatment” is in fact a form of GENOCIDE. Yes, *GENOCIDE*! Genocide occurs on a daily basis in America 2020, and the American Taxpayer helps fund it. So YOU, Laura, are also in fact a victim of genocide. As bad as genocide is, – and it’s too often fatal, – you seem to have survived so far relatively intact. That’s something you can be proud of. Looks to me that you’re doing so well IN SPITE OF psychiatry and psych drugs, and *NOT* because of them….Please correct me if I’m wrong in my assumption here.
Thanks again for telling your story, and WELCOME! to MiA….
Maybe not, “oldhead”, maybe you really can’t “massage a mind”, but you can certainly give yourself a brain massage. i find when I give myself a brain massage, that I feel a great sense of calm, peace of mind, and healing. It’s very soothing. And I’m pretty sure, ‘oldhead”, that you have no idea how to do a brain massage….
But people who get psychiatric “help”, and who take psych drugs, are far more likely to then go get a gun and shoot and kill a bunch of people. this is PROVEN by the fact that MOST mass-casualty school shooters were on psych drugs from a psychiatrist….From Sandy Hook to Columbine, psych drugs pulled the triggers, and psychiatrists loaded the bullets….
I believe, Fiachra, that psychiatry can NOT truly be “recovered” from, because they say it’s a permanent, incurable “mental illness”…. Just because Santa Claus doesn’t bring you presents anymore, doesn’t mean that other children don’t still get them….
I contend that so-called “mental illness” is something that either ALL of US have it, or else NONE of US have it…. It MUST BE one or the other! I suppose it could be *both*, but it can NOT be neither!….
So either we are all crazy, or else none of us is crazy. And neither of those options says anything good, at all, about the pseudoscience known as “psychiatry”….btw, so-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real….
Not gloating, oldhead, but how’s it feel, brother….????….
But arsenic IS better than cyanide, – it’s easier to detect at autopsy….(actually, i just made that up.)
Correct me, please, if I’m wrong, but I don’t think you know anything about either Andrew Yang, or Tulsi Gabbard. Look into them, then get back to us, please, ok? Thanks, oldhead.
I’m sorry to hear about Bonnie Burstow’s passing. Reading about her anti-psychiatry scholarship here on MiA was very encouraging. I myself was almost killed by psychiatry & psych drugs, and I’m alive and well as I am today because I rid my life of the scourge of psychiatry and psych drugs. It’s sad when the NYT stoops to this level of smear. It’s like the Time magazine obit of Dr. Thomas Szasz, where the ONLY quote included was from E.(is for “evil”)Fuller Torrey. I’ve read Bonnie’s writing here on MiA, and we will all miss her voice and her work.
Too bad the NYT cares more for money, and power, and less for people’s lives. That’s the message they send.
KEEP UP the GOOD WORK, Robert. I still cite “Mad in America”, and “Anatomy of an Epidemic” as often as I can. You yourself are considered “anti-psychiatry” by many of psychiatry’s apologists. I’m wrapping up a win on “The Conversation”, under an article about the imminent demise of the term “schizophrenia”.
Let me get back to laughing, watching Tom Perez and the DNC work so hard to RE-elect Trump…..
Once we realize that the DSM is in fact nothing more than a CATALOG of BILLING CODES, and everything in it was either CREATED, or INVENTED, and nothing in it was “discovered”, then we begin to WAKE UP, and drop the veils placed over our minds’ eye by the Psychiatric-Pharmaceutical-Industrial-Financial-Complex….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good….Psychiatry is the personification of MEDICAL FASCISM…. Forgive them, they know NOT what they do….
oh. shit. i just realized. Julie won’t see this comment…. Miss you, Julie!….
She’s been one of my best friends since 2005. She’s a victim of the lies of the pseudoscience drug racket known as “psychiatry”, and the local “Community Mental Health Center”. I’ve watched her condition slowly deteriorate over the years. She is court-ordered, FORCED to take drugs, including Zyprexa. Her Family is both the best, and at the same time the worst aspect of her life. She’s the “designated patient”, the “scapegoat”, the “black sheep”. And part of why she’s where she is, is because her Father had sex with her starting when she was 8. She’s really a wonderful person, and it’s painful to see her existing in a kind of living HELL. The workers at that “CMHC” regularly lie about her, and use those lies to justify sending her to the State Mental Hospital in handcuffs and shackles every few months, regardless. And the quack shrink, Dr. Maryanne Marsh, keeps forcing her to take the Zyprexa, which she hates…. Yes, there’s a word for what’s being done to her in the name of “treatment”, and that word is GENOCIDE. Genocide for profit. And to sell more Zyprexa….
“Vice” is NOT known as an un-biased “news” source, and this very biased article is no exception. The whole tone is, “Oh, those poor helpless MENTAL PATIENTS being assaulted and even tasered by those evil thug cops!”….I find it mildly disgusting and demeaning to not only cops, but those “poor mental patients”. Most so-called “mental patients” are on multiple neuro-toxins, – the standard, so-called “polypharmacy” practice of the pseudoscience known as “psychiatry”. What exactly is “psychiatric care”, and how is it any different from regular medical care? Is the problem perhaps that so-called “psychiatric care” is NOT appropriate in traditional ER and hospital settings? I’m in New Hampshire, just across the river from Vermont, and things are much the same here. The so-called “mental health” system is a BROKEN JOKE. The local hospital often relies on LIES told by Staff at the local “Community Mental Health Center”, and then uses those lies to justify locking folks in isolation holding cells which the deceptively call “pods”. The Pod People, like something out of the movie, “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”. And the bodies of the so-called “mental patients” are then transported from the isolation holding cells to the State Mental Hospital, by Sheriff’s Deputies, in handcuffs and shackles. My friend has had this inflicted on her at least 15 or 20 times over the last few years. As bad as the REALITY is, the skewed, “fake news” propaganda here from “Vice” only makes things worse by biased reporting. So-called “mental patients” can be very violent, even overtly suicidal or homicidal. Who better than the cops to deal with such people? Liberal “progressive” voices such as “Vice” are babbling in circles, sowing confusion, mis-information, and dis-information. Vermont, home of Bernie Sanders, is a quasi-Socialist nightmare of homelessness, drug addiction, gross over-drugging of so-called “mental patients”, crime, and dysfunction. “Vice” proves that much here, but also seems intent on presenting only a very biased, distorted, skewed picture of reality. And lately, the “Brattleboro Retreat”, an ancient mental hospital in Brattleboro, VT., is in danger of closing from a combination of excessive union demands from employees, bad management, graft, corruption and an impoverished State Government mis-managed by liberal, progressive Democrats and Bernie Sanders Socialists. Even Democrat Presidential candidate Andrew Yang’s $1,000/month “Freedom Dividend” isn’t inducement enough to get me to move to Vermont…. There’s a word which best describes Vermont’s treatment of so-called “mental patients”, and that word is GENOCIDE.
“Conceptualizing” “psychopathology” *ITSELF* is destructive of both REVERENCE, and human DIGNITY.
No truly self-respecting Human Being ever believes in neologisms such as “psychopathology”, anyway….
….”newly minted, fresh out of OCS/ROTC/West Point, and judged “not yet fully qualified” by older, more experienced soldiers of lower rank”….
Yes, sorta, any Butterbar would also likely be a toadie or boot-licker….
“Butterbar” is not just any 2ndLt., it’s one who isn’t really all that qualified(yet).
That’s former mayor Pete. His campaign workers have literally called the cops on me twice, for nothing! A candidate sets the tone for the whole campaign heirarchy, from the top down….Bernie supporters are equally nasty, in my experience….An angry old man leading angry young men….Sad. Rachel finds archaic military slang more remarkable that an on-going genocide….
Although it isn’t spelled out quite so explicitly, there’s an ASSUMED idea here, that you’re either a “mad activist”, or else you’re “pro-psychiatry”…. I’m NEITHER. I think “mad activism” is a bogus and false label.
I’m not “mad”, I’m not “mad” at all. Why should I be? And I’m not “pro-psychiatry”, either. Psychiatry is GENOCIDE. And “mad pride” is YOUR SHAME, not mine….
….it’s called GENOCIDE, but few dare speak the TRUTH….
The DSM is in fact nothing more than a CATALOG of BILLING CODES. All of the bogus “diagnoses” in it were either invented, or created. Nothing in it was discovered. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as real as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real.
And trust me, “sam plover”. I think you might be a bit naive.
Psychiatry & psychiatrists absolutely DO NOT CARE what happens “when those millions of kids realize what happened.” If they cared at all, then they wouldn’t have done what they did in the first place. Psychiatrists are GREEDY, and IGNORANT, and POWER-HUNGRY, but they are NOT stupid….
Look at the DSM. It’s a brilliant hoax….
I was 18. It was 1977. Lucky for me, the big, black Southern Deputy Sheriff who drove me to the State Mental Hospital wanted to talk with me, so he had me ride in the front seat with him, not handcuffed and shackled. (Later, in 1986, I *WAS* handcuffed, shackled, and hogtied. Literally.) He had friends who were smoking weed, and wanted him to try it. But he was worried about the “scare stories”, so he wanted to ask me about weed, thinking I could help him. It was bizarre.
The State Mental Hospital was a true “snake pit”. Many there had it much worse than I did. The quack shrink pill-pushers and some sadists ran the place like the prison it really was.
No, things have changed very little in 2020….
My friend is regularly the VICTIM of LIES, told by staff of the local “Community Mental Health Center”, which are told to justify driving her to the State Mental Hospital in handcuffs and shackles. She is sometimes sent home 3 days later in a taxi cab….
Of course, the local County Sheriff who supports this GENOCIDE is a big former-mayor Butterbar Pete Buttigieg supporter.
The Military-Industrial-Prison-Complex has many long tentacles….
(Author’s note: “Butterbar” is WW2-era military slang. It’s not sexual. Google it. Mayor Pete IS a butterbar.)
No, “Slaying….”, I’m really not disagreeing with you here, in any fundamental way. But yeah, I want to challenge the characterization in language. I’ve come to see that ALL so-called “mental illness”, including of course, “schizophrenia”, is in fact the result of trauma, and/or abuse throughout one’s life. This would include toxic chemical exposure in the womb, and Mother’s lifestyle. Many of the influences are very subtle, but theyu ALL add up, and in unique ways. But again, trauma & abuse, abuse and trauma. The sequelae of abuse and trauma is studied ever more closely. Currently, the acronym “ACE”, for “Adverse Childhood Experiences” is in fashion, and it’s big step forward. Abuse and trauma does come in something like patterns, and we can see certain patterns in persons, also. So in some persons, this all adds up to an extreme degree compared to most folks, and it’s these folks who get labeled with tags such as “schizophrenia”. So there really is a “there” there, but why call “it” “schizophrenia”? Easy answer. Money, power, and control. The original “schism”, or split from the society of other people, leads to the belief that so-called “schizophrenia” really is a real thing. And if we call an arbitrary label a “diagnosis”, then we can use that alleged diagnosis as the basis to $ELL DRUG$, and MAKE MONEY. So, MONEY, POWER, and CONTROL. For the already rich, powerful, and in control. So I can’t agree that “there’s no such thing as schizophrenia”, only that “schizophrenia” is an arbitrary, wrong, and outdated concept. I say it’s just as bogus as you say, but I still say there’s a “there” there, but that “there” is NOT best described as “schizophrenia”. What do you think about what I’ve said here?….
….thank GOD for Mr. Robert Whitaker! Robert, your article is “TLDR” for me, but it’s not your EXCELLENT writing and analysis. I have a very low tolerance these days, for the psychobabble and pseudo-medicalized gobbledygook of PrRMA and the slimy “Dr” LIEberman…. at least he’s aptly named….
The salient point is the one-day rise in stock valuation of over $1Billion. It’s all about MONEY, and POWER, and CONTROL. If this drug is so good, why isn’t it only available as a non-profit public good, instead of the PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT PRODUCT which it ONLY is available as? I’d love to hear “Dr.” LIEberman’s answer to THAT question! But it would be a lie, so, who cares….????….
No, psychiatry is a disease of belief. You can only have it if you believe in it. Stop believing in it, and it ceases to be real. Psychiatry is 100% belief-dependent. I’d go so far as to say that the ONLY true so-called “mental illness” is belief in psychiatry itself.
Sitting in a tub of bleach and scrubbing your skin off is an inherently illogical and irrational act. It can’t be understood logically and rationally. It can only be understood illogically and irrationally…. Which basically explains *WHY* psychiatry is in fact also illogical and irrational…. But it makes $$$$ for PhRMA!….
GOD DAMN! At least it wasn’t suicide. I remember “Steve Gilbert”. I’ll miss his words, and perspective. It’s been a very busy winter, and I didn’t see this 2 months ago…. Good Bye, Steve Gilbert!….When you get to the “after life” place, say hi to my friend “Brian C.” He committed suicide.
A good case could be made, that MiA should NOT allow first-person suicide stories to appear here. It encourages others, and leads to more suicides….
It’s a little-known fact that many suicides today are protesting the latest “died by suicide” linguistic fascism…
Wtf? OMD = “Orchestral Manouvers in the Dark”….????….=OMD, right?….
More suicides means more treatment, pills, and drugs means more suicides means more treatment pills and drugs means more suicides means more treatment, pills, and drugs means more suicides means more treatment pills and drugs means more suicides, means more treatment pills and drugs means more suicides means more treatment pills and drugs means more suicides means more treatment pills and drugs means more suicides means more treatment pills and drugs means more suicides means more treatment pills and drugs means more treatment means more….
Psychiatrist Richard Friedman practices a distinct sub-specialty of psychiatry known as “Genocidal Fascist”.
Psychiatrist Friedman advocates for practices designed to maximize pain, suffering, distress and suicide….
Because more suicides means more treatment, pills, and drugs, means more suicides means more treatment, pills and drugs means more suicides means more treatment, pills and drugs means more suicides means more treatment pills and drugs means more suicides means more treatment, pills and drugs
means more suicides means more treatment pills and drugs means more suicides means more treatment pills and drugs means more suicides means more treatment pills and drugs means MORE$$$$$$for Dr. Friedman and his ilk….
psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, a means of social control, and a vector for the Global De-Population Agenda of the U.N. and the Globalists/Progressives/Leftists/Liberals,Capitalists/Democrats, etc.,
….ain’t dat true fax Jack!…. Right, “oldhead”….????….
I’ve seen it many, many times…. For a so-called “mental patient”, often, their Family is BOTH the WORST, and the BEST thing going for them in their lives….
NAMI and their ilk insist delusionally that they are only ever “best”, instead of acknowledging the truth that the Family is usually the root of the problem!….
My understanding, as to those who “hear voices”, is that they always sound like “inside-the-head” voices, and not like a voice heard from “outside” the head.
Once, decades ago now, a nurse doing an “assessment” of me newly arrived for a short jail stay, asked whether I “hear voices”. I calmly looked at her, and simply replied: “No, I *SEE* voices, and I *HEAR* colors….”…. She had that “wtf?” look on her face!….
It was a riot….
Thanks, Sera. How did I miss this story for over a year? It saddens me, to see what the “mental illness industrial complex” has devolved down into….
TLDR. But I will later….
But I really like the 6th line in the opening poem:
“Never to have your own voice”.
Unless he’s moved away, I am personally familiar with the “local Community Mental Health Center” that Mr. Eric Coates has to deal with…. They’re horrible. I have a close lady friend, – whom Eric knows, – and the staff at this “CMHC” rountinely LIE about my friend, use those lies to put her in the isolation holding cells, then drive her to the State Mental Hospital in handcuffs and shackles, in the back of a Sheriff’s cruiser….
….She often gets sent home in a Taxi Cab….
In my opinion, and given the little I know personally of Eric’s story, – we’ve met and talked before…,-here we see the abject failure of the “mental illness system”, and their genocidal paradigm….Thanks, Eric!
So sad, is seeing this comment, and going to reply, and then realizing that you DIED last year Julie….
We only connected on-line, and never got a chance to meet…. I was looking forward to meeting you and Puzzle….
Why doesn’t some MiA wonk collect ALL the comments (with a brief “context”), and e-publish a sort of “collected works” from commenters who were survivors, and have lived experience with the GENOCIDE of PSYCHIATRY….?…. Seems a fitting LIVING MEMORIAL, for the sacrifices made by the MiA community….
….and the ABUSE we have endured, at the hands of those who seek to SILENCE our voices….
….too bad that EVERYTHING “psychiatric” isn’t ONLY history….
If you think about it, so called “PTSD” is just as bogus as “mental illness”…..
PTSD = People That Suffer Distress
PTSD = Personal Touch Sensory Deprivation
PTSD = People That Suffer Daily
It’s ironic and telling that Dad was a cop….
I’m so sorry to hear that, “Someone Else”! I know EXACTLY how you FEEL! You’ve been abused again, haven’t you? Some mean old guy wants to silence your voice, doesn’t he? It was a man, I assume? What, a “girly-man” you say? Yeah, typo on my part, calling “it” a “man”. No real true man stomps on another man’s voice. Not a truly caring and compassionate man, anyway. A scared little boy-man would shut you up, though.
Maybe THIS TIME we can get Mr. Robert Whitaker to intercede personally? I like you, “Someone Else”, and your comments are valuable. I’m sorry for what happened to you here. It’s just MORE TRAUMA and ABUSE
YANG GANG 2020 / YIN YANGS 2020
….hey, have a 2-fer….censor political speech, too….you’re already doing a good job re-electing Trump….
It’s NOT, Rosalee…. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good. The DSM is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. Everything in it was invented or created, – nothing in the DSM was discovered. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real…. ALL so-called “mental illnesses” are the sequelae of trauma/and-or/abuse, as shown above….
As I sit here in my struggling millennial friends’ crummy one-room apartment using their computer, (I’m too poor and disabled to own my own, and the 2 public libraries are closed for the holidays….), I’m wearing a lovely handknitted scarf around my neck…. A few weeks ago, the local ladies kitting circle got together to knit hats & gloves and scarves for those “poor, poor homeless people.” OOPS!, my bad, I mean “persons EXPERIENCING homelessness”….
They put these knitted goods out where they *THINK* homeless people will find them, use them, and feel oh, so warm and grateful…. But the shelters opened WEEKS ago, and the homeless get free warm WAL-MART-style clothes there, which the homeless actually PREFER over the “hand-knitted” stuff. So these fine hand-knitted goods sit outside all winter, covered in snow and ice, and rotting away. I got tired of watching this process, so I snagged one last week while bicycling along the local bike trail….The homeless camps are largely deserted for the winter…. But the naive, ignorant, well-meaning, good-intentioned, compassionate acts of these “do-gooders” continues to be ignored by the homeless they only *think* they’re helping. But golly gee, those silly knitters sure are COMPASSIONATE!….
One of my Mother’s favorite quotes, which she used often as a weapon against me, was, “The road to HELL is paved with good INTENTIONS”….(emphasis mine)….
Despite the weaponization of it, it’s also TRUTH….
I’m finding your replies in the comment section to be very condescending, also….
To the extent that I understand “johnchristine”, I also agree with “them”….
Maybe MiA should hire a clinical supervisor to oversee their contributor pool….
Speaking only for myself, I find nothing you’ve written here to be “wrong” or “offensive”. ….”silly” and “naive” and misguided, maybe, but not wrong or offensive.
For you to suggest that, only affirms my perspective….
Back in the 1930’s, AA WAS an early proponent of what was then called the “disease theory”, or “disease model” of alcoholism recovery efforts. AA did NOT say, “alcoholism is a disease”, instead they said “alcoholism is best and most easily treated when we view it like we view REAL diseases”…. The idea was that the shame, guilt, stigma, etc., were all barriers to treatment. One of AA’s founders, “Dr. Bob”, said on his deathbed, to another AA founder, “Bill W.(Wilson), “Let’s not louse this thing up”…., meaning, “AA works best as PERSONAL RECOVERY”. He didn’t want to see AA ruined by professionalism. Sadly, AA HAS been ruined by professionalism. In much the same was that psychiatry has destroyed any hope of “recovery” from so-called “mental illnesses”….
More sick people means more drugs means more sick people means more drugs means more sick people means more drugs means more sick people means more drugs means more sick people…..etc.,……
Obviously, you haven’t seen the old movie “Minority Report”…. It’s COMING soon….
Thanks, Pheobe! I was well into my 20’s, before I described my childhood as anything other than “basically normal”. It was only in my 30’s that I began to realize that the relatively minor abuse I endured as a child really WAS the root of most of my problems. Um, besides being wrongly diagnosed and grossly over-medicated by quack psychiatrists!….
Phil: I find it nauseating, the use of the words “meds”, and “medications” in medicine in general, and in the psychiatry/”mental health” fields in particular. I see it as a deceptive euphemism, which only furthers the drug racket fraud of psychiatry. It also serves to separate “street drugs” from “medicines”, or “meds”. But I ONLY say “drugs”, because drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs…. And so-called “meds” ARE DRUGS!….
“So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT more “real”. The DSM is in fact a catalog of billing codes. EVERYTHING in it was either invented or created. NOTHING in it was discovered. Drugs were created to sell to make money. And psychiatry was created to $ELL DRUG$…. Period. End of story.
(Being a true pseudoscience like Phrenology, psychiatry also serves as a means of social control.) KEEP UP the GOOD WORK, Phil!
But your work debunking the shill Dr. Pies remains crucial….
Over 30 years ago now, I spent Christmas in the Forensic Unit of the State Prison….
(I was being held in the State Prison Forensic Unit “pre-trial”, and had NOT been convicted of a crime….)….
The local Salvation Army visited us, bringing cards, snacks, and a large white Teddy Bear with a red Christmas ribbon…. Yes, having ANY visitors was better than the NO visitors which we would otherwise have had….
But even then, and still, I found the experience insulting, demeaning, condescending, and self-serving on the part of these liberal Christian do-gooders…. They did it MORE so they could burnish their “Christian compassion” image, than out of any genuine compassion or understanding…. It was fairly nauseating, really….
Too bad they couldn’t have gotten us a reduction in our psych meds…. That’s what we MOST needed….
Looks to me AS IF MAYBE Melissa was raised in a Salvation Army/”Christian” home….
I first read Dr. Breggins’ “Toxic Psychiatry” in 1992, or 3…. He set a snowball rolling that SAVED my LIFE, and allowed me to escape from the dead-end evil hell of the pseudoscience drug racket known as psychiatry&psych DRUG$$$….Toxic guilt and toxic shame describe and explain ALMOST ALL of what Dr. Breggin describes here, and a conscious and deliberate turn towards the REALITY of the here and now, total acceptance of ourselves and reality as IT IS, can lead us to WHOLE, HEALTHY, and HAPPY LIVES, which should be our birthright….
So-called “mental illness” is something that either we ALL have, or else NONE of us have it. It must be ONE or the OTHER…. I now see myself as ONE with ALL that IS…. Guess I’m just a chronic undifferentiated normal human dude!…. But I still can’t drive 55….
Only 2 relevant words, – a name, and a verb: HUDA LIES.
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and CONTINUES TO DO, FAR MORE HARM than good….
Remember, 100% of the DSM was either CREATED, or else INVENTED. Literally NOTHING in the DSM was “discovered”. When something is “discovered”, it existed before it was discovered. When something is either invented or created, it did NOT exist before it was created or invented. So-called “mental illnesses” literally DID NOT EXIST, before psychiatry invented and created them. Go ahead, prove me wrong….
To the extent that human evil exists, I believe that E. Fuller Torrey embodies human evil. He does what he does for money, – “fundraising”, – and for the fame and glory of his mis-nomered “Treatment Advocacy Center”. In the “Time” magazine obituary of Dr. Thomas Szasz, the ONLY person quoted is E. Fuller Torrey.
That’s like having some KKK guy quoted in an obituary for Martin Luther King, jr. Exactly. I’m glad to see MiA further de-constructing the already 100% de-constructed Torrey, even if I’m dismayed he still besmirches the air of loving, sane persons. Torrey is a hater, make no mistake. And yes, he lies about his bogus “studies”.
….gee, what happened to all those “consumers” the system newly minted a couple decades ago….????….
….Mostly either dead, or seriously drug-impaired….
Look at the DSM, which is in fact a CATALOG of BILLING CODES. After only short “treatment” with psych drugs, every so-called “diagnosis” in it can be reduced to 2 words: “Iatrogenic neurolepsis”….
The dramatic expansion of the DSM has ONE primary driver. More bogus “diagnoses” =equals= that many more excuses to $ELL DRUG$…. Follow the MONEY, and Power, and Control. Psychiatry is 100% FRAUD!
How about, “How Black People View White People’s Rights?”, or “How Palestinians View Israeli Rights?”, or “How Middle Easterners View Americans Rights?”, or “How Mental Patients View Mental Health Providers’ Rights”. My only problem here is that to say “mental health care provider” is EXACTLY the same as to say, “Unicorn Breeders” and “Unicorn Herders”, and “Unicorn Farmers”…..
“How Unicorn Herders View Bison Herders Rights?”…. I KNOW “How Bison Herders View Unicorn Breeders’ Rights?”…. Do *you* know “exactly how”….????….
EVERY, ALL, and EACH so-called “psychiatric diagnosis” is the equivalent of a Court sentence of “Life imprisonment, without possibility of parole”…. Prove me wrong?______________
Honestly, I am “puzzled” as to why there’s such a lack of internalization, realization, and thus correct action on the basis of the knowledge facts that psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control; – that it’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins; – that psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good; – and therefore all so-called “diagnoses” are fraudulent, bogus and false; – which Julie Greene learned the hard way. If it hadn’t been for psychiatry and psych drugs, Julie would have lived until at least her late 80’s, or 90’s. We dishonor her memory when we fail to LIVE HER TRUTH. This is my memorial to her. What’s YOURS….????….
Both capitalism and socialism are antique, rickety wooden fences which are easy to climb over, but not see through. Anarchy is a tall, chain-link fence topped with barbed wire….
But none of them will let you into the stadium to watch the ball game close up.
With all of them, you’re outside the fence, but at least you can see the game with anarchy….
Yes, anarchism is the personification of mental illness.
True mental health requires capitalism.
Everybody knows that.
That’s why we’re all mad, right?
New Hampshire is a CESSPOOL. I know. I live here, and was born here. In 2016, the local hospital, Cheshire Medical Center/Dartmouth-Hitchcock, Keene(CMC/DHK), summarily fired their Child Psychiatrist, Dr. Marcia Pabo, and closed their 6-bed adolescent psych unit. A few months later, 30 people were fired, and they closed their 12-bed adult psych unit. That’s right around when the spent $1.5Million to redo their ER, to make several sensory-deprivation, isolation holding cells. For psych patients. Since then, we have regular newspaper articles about how those poor “mental patients” languish for weeks in the ER….
Do you get what I’m saying? This is a FABRICATED, FAKE NEWS “crisis”….
The local “community mental health center” regularly LIES about their patients, so they can LOCK THEM UP in the local ER. But hey, even though the staff there is “too busy to make phone calls”, they DO give the victims “adult coloring books”, so they have SOMETHING to do. And the guards are NOT allowed to talk to the persons! NPR is a joke….National Propaganda Radio….
It’s worse than you know, people!….
The DSM is in fact a CATALOG of BILLING CODES. Everything in the DSM was either INVENTED, or CREATED. Nothing in the DSM was *discovered*…. Think about that….
It was 10 years earlier. The FIRST people the Nazis put in the camps were the disabled, and so-called “mentally ill”. That started in 1933…
After the shooting in Florida, (which one, right?….), the FIRST thing the court-appointed lawyer did, was get a judge to SEAL the shooter’s medical records. But the TRUTH came out other ways…. The guy had been on PSYCH DRUGS…. And, BTW, I do NOT use the false and misleading euphemisms “meds” and “medications”. They are DRUGS are drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs….NOT “meds”….
“The DSM is best seen as a a catalog of billing codes. All of the diagnostic allegations in it were either invented or created; none were discovered.”
“Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control, – it’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good.”
You may quote me. In fact, PLEASE DO!….
The DSM is best seen as a catalog of billing codes. EVERYTHING in it was INVENTED, and CREATED….
NOTHING in the DSM was “discovered”….
Think about that a while….
Both so-called “mental health”, and so-called “mental illness”, are something(s) that either ALL of us have, or else NONE of us have…. Can’t possibly be otherwise. Your “mind”, or your “mental”, was literally created by OTHER PEOPLE talking to and interacting with you, plus environmental sensory inputs….
LOL! Psychiatry **IS** 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins….
Andrew Rich is only one of the fatalities….
The genocide of psychiatry…..
First comment! (I feel like I’m on youtube….)….
Seriously, Bonnie, – what you’re describing here, PSYCHIATRIC EUGENICS, also neatly fits another definition.
*GENOCIDE*. That’s what I think we ALL need to be publicizing. That psychiatry, and the “mental illness industrial complex”, represents GENOCIDE for PROFIT.
Repeat: GENOCIDE for PROFIT….
The general public doesn’t know what “eugenics” is, but they DO know what GENOCIDE is.
But they have been LIED TO, and led to believe that psychiatry is “helping” people….
One of my best friends is a VICTIM of “AOT/IOC”, and it is heart-rending to watch. The staff at the local “community mental health center” regularly IGNORE my friend, and LIE about her. They LIE, and claim that she said things she never said. They claim she does things she’s never done. And, they FORCE DRUG her.
The State either doesn’t care, or else doesn’t know, which is almost the same thing.
As valuable as Robert’s work here may be, it’s also pointless. Only “oldhead”, of all the other commenters here, (and Julie & Rachel), even seem to have a clue. The MENTAL ILLNESS INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX is about **ONLY** MONEY, POWER, and CONTROL. Helping people is NOT part of their game plan. Job security is their only real goal. These evil, delusional people will NOT listen to reason. If they could, or would think logically and rationally, then we wouldn’t have the screwed-up system we have, in the first place!
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good. The DSM is a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the bogus alleged, “diagnoses” in it were INVENTED, or created, not discovered, which would be the case if they were “real”. But so-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. Truth is TRUTH. And psychiatry LIES. What’s so “radical” about *that*….????….
Fascism in pill form. Literally.
No body else here can say that?
As I write this comment, my first reaction to skimming the headline and lead-in, is that this is gonna be more “multi-cultural”, PC nonsense. I’m willing to be proven wrong, and it will be interesting to see what my comment(s) will be AFTER I read the article….
But really, “Maori Psychiatrist” is like “Christian Medicine Woman”, or “Catholic Shamanic Healer”, or “Shinto Reiki healer”, or “Shamanic-Intuitive Psychiatrist”, or “Clairvoyant Freudian Analyst”….
And really, the Maori are “known for poor mental health outcomes”….????….
By *WHOSE* standards, in *WHAT* world….????….
This should be good. I wonder what I will think *AFTER*?………………………
What’s the abbreviation for the word, “PROPAGANDA”?….. It’s: “Pies”….
EVERY so-called, alleged “diagnosis” in the DSM was INVENTED, or CREATED, but NOT “discovered”….
I’d like to see Dr. Propaganda Pies” discuss *THAT*!….
(To be fair, the “chemical imbalance” LIE that psychiatry promotes was INVENTED by PhRMA’s marketing folks….)….
The CT Attorney General, in refusing to release to the public the final full report on “Sandy Hook”, stated that to do so would “cause people to stop taking their meds”…. And the alleged shooter, “Adam Lanza”, *WAS* a victim of both psychiatry, AND psych drugs. As ALL the mass-casualty school shooters were/are….
Go ahead, I DARE you to find even one who wasn’t….
It’s NOT the guns that kill, rather it’s psychiatry and psych drugs which pulls the triggers….
I think it does a grave dis-service to Szasz’s legacy, to so briefly mention his brief entanglement with Scientology, and omit all reference to “The Citizen’s Commission on Human Rights”(CCHR). And, to NOT note that Szasz soon saw both CCHR, AND Scientology correctly, and distanced himself from both, especially Scientology. He had to discard the still-clean waters of CCHR, along with the dirty bathwater of Scientology.
And, I bet VERY FEW of you actually have more than a surface knowledge of ALL of L. Ron Hubbard’s life experience, and the whole morass of Scientology and CCHR. It’s telling that STILL, in 2019, the largest single organized anti-psychiatry group is CCHR…. Not even “MindFreedom” comes close…. THAT is what’s REALLY sad….
BTW, in Szasz’s Time Magazine obituary, the ONLY person quoted was the neo-medical-fascist, E. Fuller Torrey…. Szasz led me to Breggin, who then led me to FREEDOM from the pseudoscience of psychiatry, so yes I’m sensitive to such snubs….
OMG! OMG! TODAY’S BIGGEST THREAT! Brought to you by fear-based persons, who want YOU to be as scared as they are! The POLARIZED MIND! OMG!…. Buddha spoke of this well over 2000 years ago. It’s called “duality”, and it seems to be a basic fact of human existence. Duality explains the whole “polarized” mind, and how to both avoid and escape the traps the polarized, or dualistic, mind creates. Sure, these little “liberal-conservative tea parties” are lots of fun, and do no harm, but gee, that’s a lot of energy to spend on virtue signaling. How will these little tete-a-tetes solve the larger problem of a mass-market, mass-media, the FAKE NEWS media, which wants nothing more than to feed people’s fears, for the profit of the rich? To keep people stupid, scared, emotional, anxious, upset, and NOT thinking clearly? Oh, these guys are shilling a book, too. Oh, I get it. It’s all about the Benjamins. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was…. The more things change, the more they stay the same….
Apparently, Lee, my comments sometimes disappear seemingly at random, so I don’t know if you’ll see this one, or not…. Here’s what I always say about psychiatry:
“Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues the do, FAR MORE HARM, than good.
The DSM-5 is a catalog of billing codes, nothing more. ALL of the bogus “diagnoses” in it were either INVENTED, or else CREATED. NONE of them were “discovered”. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. Psychiatry exists solely to $ELL DRUG$ for PhRMA, and act as social control against those whom Society deems “inconvenient”…..
Seriously, that’s an ambitious plan. Where do I sign up? Good luck with that. You’ll need it. But I hope you succeed, anyway….
….so-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT MORE REAL….psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good….
Considering all the hype and publicity that >madinamerica.com< gave to Garth Daniel's story, it's sad and puzzling that MiA hasn't done a recent update on his case. Is Garth Daniels even still alive, or did they FRY his BRAIN to DEATH, and DRUG his SOUL into DECEASE….????…. Looks like that McCrea character is snoozing on the toilet in the closet on this one….
C'mon, Mr. Robert Whitaker, what's the latest electrode BUZZ from the Garth Daniels camp….????….
Rachel, look for a book called “Out of Bedlam”. It’s a good, well-researched history of “deinstitutionalization”, but the author basically ignores most of what we here at MiA know to be true, and she also ignores any serious discussion of psych drugs. But it’s still very interesting, helpful, and useful….
Also, look for “A Few Buttons Missing”, written by a psychiatrist, and a professional co-writer. I just now easily found it on amazon…. The quack shrink is named Fisher, and it was published in 1951. When you read it, consider the author’s discussion of his childhood, through the lens of what we know NOW about trauma, parental abandonment, and “ACE’s”(adverse childhood experiences)….
The DSM is a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the bogus, so-called “diagnoses” in it were INVENTED, not “discovered”. If so-called “mental illnesses” were any more “real” than presents from Santa Claus, then they would have been DISCOVERED, not INVENTED!…. Think about it….
My Mother always used to say, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”….
I never really understood what that meant…. Now I get it….
The road to HELL cuts straight through Cairo, and is paved with psychiatry, psych drugs, and multi-national NGO’s….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. The DSM is in fact nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. There, now you know what MY painful experience with psychiatry and psych drugs has taught me! But, having said that, having spoken the TRUTH, we still must allow for an uncomfortable reality:
In SOME people, SOMETIMES, SOME low dose of SOME drug MIGHT actually be helpful, in the short-term.
To say, for example, “No drug has ever helped anybody”, which you appear to be doing, SlayingDragon, is just unscientific, and probably wrong. *SOME* people actually LIKE their psych drugs. Yeah, it’s crazy, I KNOW! But’s it’s also an inconvenient truth….
But of course, even *IF* a drug actually helped somebody, that is still NOT even good evidence that so-called “mental illnesses” are in fact “real”, much less proof of it….
This is really an “April Fool’s” article, right?
Since when has psychiatry or the “mental health field” cared one bit for human rights?
It’s too bad there’s been no comments in the 5 days this story has been posted here at MiA….
Has the fact that it’s about Military Veterans scared away the usual crowd of MiA readers and commenters?
You often hear about “22 veteran suicides per day”, or some such headline in various mass media.
But what you will rarely if ever hear about, is the *FACT* that MOST of those suicides are in older Veterans,
who have been seen by several psychiatrists, and given multiple psych drugs. The Docs even call them “meds’, or “medications”, which more than just a euphemism, – it’s fraudulent and deceptive LIE. Because either the Veterans suicided BECAUSE of the drugs, or else in spite of the drugs…. It MUST be one or the other. WHICH is it?…. Does psychiatry and psych drugs only FAIL to prevent Veterans suicides, or else actually CAUSE Veterans suicides? Come ON, “American Psychiatric Association”, and PhRMA, *TELL* the *TRUTH*!…. *DO* *IT* *NOW*!….
Melody, your website looks pretty good. But there’s a point I need to make about a drug’s “half life”. It’s true that some drugs have a shorter half-life, and some drugs have a longer half-life. But from recent advances in the very recent science of “pharmaco-genetics”, we know that many persons are either “fast metabolizers”, or “slow metabolizers”. That just makes the half-life calculations more complicated. Also, the drugs have different effects on different persons over the long term. These effects can be interlocking, and involve various bodily systems in various ways. So even for a person who is a “fast metabolizer”, and given a short half-life drug, the harmful effects can be much longer lasting than might be otherwise expected…. A persons age, weight, exercise level, overall health, other drugs used, all can affect half-life and negative effects. It can get very complicated. And the average psych worker or psychiatrist is a very poor psycho-pharmacologist…. America has a pathetically BAD health care system….
WELCOME to MiA, Melody! And THANK-YOU for your story! I haven’t clicked on the link for your website yet, but I’ve read ALL the comments carefully here, so I’ll probably also email you. I’m an older-than-you man, and also a recovered alcoholic thanks to A.A. & the 12 Steps, so looked at one way, our stories are very different. But our experiences whit psych drugs are VERY similar. I never had “brain zaps”, as far as I can tell, but MOST of the other negative effects of the DRUGS are the same! (Note, **NOT** “side effects of the meds”!….) I’d say that for me, the panic attcks were the worst. I think amitriptyline was one of the so-called “tricyclic antidepressants” I had shoved down my throat. I know I was on “imiprimine” for years, along with “Triavil”, which combined Trilofon and elavil.
But there’s hope for you! I’ve been 25 years psych drug free now, and I wish I’d done it sooner. In fact, I’d be MUCH BETTER off, if I had NEVER gone to psychiatry and psych drugs in the first place! They did me FAR MORE HARM than good.
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry and psych drugs have done, and continue to do, FAR MORE HARM than good…. Let me share what’s most helped me:
First, I had to take 100% responsibility for my own medical care. The Docs & nurses could be my “helpers”, and “assistants”, but I could no longer allow them to be my “bosses” and “masters”. Daily exercise, whether walking, running, bicycling, yoga, tai chi, etc., all were VITAL. I had to watch my diet very carefully. No caffeine, alcohol, or drugs. (Cannabis and tobacco CAN help SOME people, SOMETIMES, if used carefully, and with fully informed consent and knowledge. Heck, maybe some people can carefully use small amounts of alcohol as “medicine”, but not ME!) Some type of “SPIRITUAL” work is also key. That can be whatever Church you were raised in, – or not!, – or study of Buddhism, or even “secular” “popular spirituality”. The point is to develop a healthy relationship with *something* or *someone* outside your self. A so-called “higher power”. Sleep is key, and so is some type of meditation practice. I’ve had excellent results with vipassana, or “mindfulness” meditation. The worst thing about it, is that I don’t do it enough! Also, seek out, and you WILL FIND other people on some sort of healing path. A journey, or a burden, is lighter and easier when it’s shared. Helping others will help you, and vice-versa. I’d say you’re in the right place, Melody. Welcome to MiA!…. Now, I gotta go see if that link works to your website….
Oh, come on, “The_cat”! You know as well as I do, that they were DESIGNED that way! That’s what the psychiatrists *WANT*!….
Ophelie, I’m sure you don’t intend to be consciously condescending to us native American YANKEES, so I won’t pretend to be offended by your talking down to us from your Euro-centric high horse. Let me tell you what *I* think, based on my LIVED EXPERIENCE. First, “Brexit” is a joke and a farce. It will make little, if any, long-term difference to either the EU, or Great Britain, or the rest of the world, whether of not Brexit happens or not. The whole thing is a FAKE NEWS scam designed to create a binary, either-or faux crisis, to fill the news, and keep people emotionally upset. This serves as a sort of smokescreen to obscure more important concerns for the *PEOPLE*. The same 1% of rich ruling elites will still be in power, regardless of whether Brexit, or Brexstay….
“Mental Health Europe” is the same propaganda campaign as “Mental Health America”. Only some language is tweaked to account for language and national differences at the population level. It’s all so vague, wishy-washy, and touchy-feely, (“treacle-y”), that it really says NOTHING NEW, while only purporting to “move us forward”. To reduce the MHE message to it’s simplest terms: “BE SCARED OF THE MENTAL CRISIS, and GIVE US *MORE* *MONEY*!” Oh yeah, **STIGMA**!…. (Funny, I don’t recall seeing the word “psychiatry” anywhere in there….WHY is THAT?)
You need to understand, Ophelie, that BOTH so-called “mental health”, and “mental illness/ill health”, are something that WE ALL HAVE. We ALL have both “mental health”, **AND** “mental illness”, at the same time…. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Saint Nick. Or Santa Claus, as we Yanks call the jolly old elf. And psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good. The DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. All of the bogus “diagnoses” in it were INVENTED, not “discovered”. Think about the difference there. If they were really real, then they would have EXISTED BEFORE THEY WERE DISCOVERED. But that’s not the case. They didn’t exist until they were invented. Think about that some more. We do appreciate your time, Ophelie, and we like you, but don’t expect us to be at all impressed by “MHE”…. Or scared over Brexit or Brexstay. Whatever, life will go on pretty much as it always has. And I thank GOD that I’m 25+ years FREE of psychiatry and psych drugs. I’m sorry for the current crop of VICTIMS that MHE is growing….
OMG! Thank-you, “BSOTF”, for posting that link to “Alephcenter”. I also went to the Aleph homepage, and reviewed MOST of the website. That’s one of the most rinky-dink and amateur websites I’ve seen online in quite a while. The design is *CHEAP*, archaic, and FULL of TYPOS! I spotted literally DOZENS of typos, and serious grammatical errors! The website looks to have been designed “on the cheap”, and “in-house”, and it is pathetically bad. It’s poorly designed, unattractive, and visually unappealing. On the “ECT Info” section, they have 2 “intro to ECT” videos, one of which is OVER *30* years old! Hardly up-to-date or current information THERE! And if you read carefully the CV of the psychiatrists, well, one guy went from a B.A. in Archeology, to an M.D., in *4* years! Is that even *possible*? I suspect possible FRAUD! Seriously! Really! And they look to be targeting “geriatric” populations, with both drugs and ECT. (BTW, “ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture). I am dismayed and APPALLED by the Alephcenter, and their cheesy website. Their “blame-the-victim-patient” blurb about on-line reviews is only the TIP of the sordid iceberg of Alephcenter! It’s all about $$$$…. They seem to be doing a shockingly large business in Electro-Cution Torture!…. I can only suggest avoiding them like the plague which they seem to be…. They can’t even be bothered to answer the phone the full M-F, 9-5, when they’re open!….
The DSM-5 is really nothing more than a catalog of billing codes…. All of the bogus “diagnoses” in it were INVENTED, not “discovered”….
If so-called “mental illnesses” were any more “real” than presents from Santa Claus, then they would have existed before they were discovered.
Instead, the so-called “mental illnesses” in the DSM-5 did not exist until they were INVENTED, and PUBLISHED….
Think about it….
DIAGNONSENSE! I LOVE it! Thank-you!…..
No, it isn’t really funny at all, but if I couldn’t see any humor in it, I might have to start crying at the sad truth of it….
BUT, Mr. Robert Whitaker *IS* a “menace” to persons such as Lieberman, in exactly the same way that good, honest cops are a “menace” to dangerous criminals….
We can use all the Robert Whitakers we can get, and as few Liebermans as possible.
The IDEAL number of Liebermans is ZERO.
But, sadly, seen from another perspective, the “value” of Lieberman, to PhRMA, is measured in $BILLIONS$….
….as is the CARNAGE wrought to civil society by the Liebermans of the world….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good…..
Dr. Breggin, I read “Toxic Psychiatry” in late 1991, or 1992. I was heading in that direction, anyway.
I don’t want to sound all “hero worship” here, but YOU, Dr. Breggin, and that book, were key to literally saving my life. (Plus getting sober, off drugs, 1,000’s of A.A. meetings, the 12 Steps, Buddhism, a few excellent clinical psychologists, daily exercise, etc., etc.,…)
I hesitate to ask this question, which I’ve pondered for years, but have NEVER seen addressed.
Surely I’m NOT the first, or only person to wonder this! So here goes:
“Is it possible, that some, or all, persons who *claim* to be “helped” by ECT, did NOT in fact receive it….????…. I mean, *WHAT* *IF* they were sedated for the “procedure”, the equipment was applied, but no actual current or voltage was applied? Or only the absolute minimum? In effect, they were “given” a deliberate placebo procedure, and the “benefit” was 100% placebo? Is that possible?
One of my best friends was given ECT, under Mom’s pressure, over 15 years ago. I have always believed that there is SOME detectable damage, but she denies ANY effect. The psych drugs she’s forced to take are clearly doing more harm than good. So how could ANYBODY differentiate the ECT damage from the neuroleptic damage?
“ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture….
That’s a VERY good start, Brian.
Now, let’s get the APA to do *2* more things:
1. Afiirm that there will be NO “DSM-6″….a “DSM-5R”, or “DSM-5TR” would be ok…..
2. New memberships in the APA will CLOSE/END, effective immediately…..
Those 2 simple, and easy-to-do acts would be a bigger boost and boon to public health than anything else I can think of….
The whole “mental illness industrial complex” would be largely unchanged, but dramatically improved.
Think about it….
Back in 2012, I helped a disable mother and child. Did my best, and tried to, anyway. The local “agency” was stealing from their SSI checks. Mom had a lot of trouble at her 8yr old daughters school, some of which I witnessed. Aside from some mild birth-defect type physical “disabilities”, -so-called “amniotic band syndrome”, – her daughter was bright, happy, funny, and a joy to be with. And as bratty as any child can be at times, too!
I sat through a bogus and fraudulent “neglect hearing” in a crooked local court, where the scheme to remove the daughter from her home, was in motion BEFORE the hearing even began! Mom, with my help, had “corrected” the minor points that produced the neglect petition hearing in the first place. But that didn’t matter. A week later, Mom was evicted into homelessness, and her daughter was in “foster care”. The kid ended up in a State-run “youth facility”, then the State Mental Hospital on heavy psych drugs. It still makes me SAD, and SICK to think about it. The general public has no clue what’s REALLY going on. If anything, Jo Ann Cook here is DOWNPLAYING, and MINIMIZING just how truly awful things really are…. THINK about THAT!…. (My GOD!, what is WRONG with YOU people….????….)….
Rachel, I hope you’ve heard about the so-called “de-population agenda”? The “Georgia Guide Stones”? Reducing Earth’s population to a stable ~500,000,000? That’s less than 10% of current population. Yes, you can quickly and easily slip into “paranoid conspiracy theory” when researching the de-population agenda online. But that doesn’t mean it’s not real. And even IF it COULD somehow be PROVEN not real, it’s still a valid lens to look at modern, Western, industrialized society through. I’m not trying to depress you, or bum you out, tho! But now that you mention it, it’s been a couple of years since I’ve heard anything in the media about the SUPPOSED “overpopulation problem”. (No, I’m NOT saying that global population pressure is NOT a factor for concern. But negativity and pessimism are no good, either!)
Rachel, you’re one of my favorite commenters on here. Please don’t give in to “depression” and negativity. The Dalai Lama & Buddhism can teach about “independent happiness”, as opposed to “dependent happiness”. I don’t know whether Bill Wilson and the 12 Steps of A.A. recovery, or the Dalai Lama has helped me more! But dumping psych DRUGS, and the pseudoscience of psychiatry was *KEY*, and CRUCIAL! 😉
Thank-you, Starr, for sharing your story. I actually enjoyed reading it! At first, it looked “TLDR”, but I persisted! And glad I did. But 2 points I need to make. You repeatedly refer to psych drugs as “meds”, and “medications”. Those false euphemisms are promoted by PhRMA to $ELL DRUG$. Me, I no longer call them “meds”. They are DRUGS. DRUGS are drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs are drugs….. *NOT* *MEDS*. You probably do NOT have any legitimate “medical” condition that these DRUGS are “treating”.
You’re incorrect about the Hippocratic oath. The phrase “first, do no harm”, does NOT appear in the Hippocratic oath. Look it up!
What I found most telling, was how LITTLE you had to say about your parents, and your childhood. You barely mentioned them at all. Of course, it helps to have *some* *idea* about your 4 grandparents, who they were, what they were like, their lives, how they raised your parents, etc…. I think you need to look at the RELATIONSHIPS between your grandparents and parents, and between your parents and yourself. This is NOT a variation of the “blame the parents” game, however. The goal is UNDERSTANDING, which explains, clarifies, heals, and replaces the hurt feelings, fear, pain, regret, etc. Based on the little bit you said about your parents, and “their own mental health issues”, or whatever, I think there’s a vast, deep, untapped vein of knowledge and understanding there. And healing.
To close, you need to understand that the LIE about you “needing these drugs the rest of your life” is exactly that, – a *LIE*. This lie was fabricated by the marketing folks of PhRMA, and the pseudoscience drug racket and means of social control known as “psychiatry”. Psychiatry is 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, FAR MORE HARM than good….
But I’d say you’ve found the Yellow Brick Road, and the “good witch” sure is Dr. Kelly Brogan! She’s one of the FEW EXCEPTIONS, along with Dr. Peter Breggin, and a few others, who prove what I say here about the FRAUD of mainstream psychiatry and the mental health system….
WELCOME to >madinamerica<, Starr!….
Um, Daniel, ketamine IS used by veterinarians, and I’ve known it as a “party drug” called “Special K” for at least 2 decades now. (No, I’ve never used it myself, but have friends who have. They rave about it. Pun intended.) Ketamine was used in a clinical trial in Minn., where the “subjects” were actually recruited without their knowledge or consent. The cops would instruct ambulance staff to use it on persons who got rowdy in police custody, and were taken to the ER.
I see no mention in the article about the crucial topic of DOSAGE. There’s also the issue of the “mirror molecule” aspect. My advanced neuro-chemistry and psychopharmacology degree is from a Cracker Jack box, so I can’t say what “mirror molecule” will really mean, when millions of persons of all ages use this drug in what is actually a LARGE-SCALE, MULTIPLE UNCONTROLLED & UNCONTROLLABLE VARIABLE FIELD TRIAL. In plain English, “let’s give a new drug to millions of people, and see what happens!” Hey, what could go wrong!?…. Your bias, Daniel, seems to be of the “some drugs are good, so more drugs are better” category. I’ll put MY trust with Kim Witczak…..
Sorry, Laren, that I haven’t seen your reply since last Sept.! Yoga is very could, but it’s incomplete by itself. It works with Prana, and asanas, which is calmative, but it leaves something out. Tai Chi works with Chi, which is NOT exactly the same as prana. I’ve found that combining the prana work of Yoga, with the Chi work of Tai Chi, is much, *MUCH* better! And I use beaver sticks to combine the 2. (Yes, “beaver sticks”, as in sticks designed and chewed by beaver. They’re common where ever beaver live, but I don’t see anybody going out and learning to use beaver sticks on their own!… I just got lucky, I guess, in “inventing” “Tai Chi Beaver Yoga Dance Therapy”!….)….
The DSM-5, like all 4 before it, is a CATALOG of BILLING CODES!….
Yes, I wondered *WHICH* “bible”…..????…. In addition to DIFFERENT Catholic & Protestant versions, there are also several modern translations. I should think a “red letter” version, wherein quotes from Jesus appear in red letters, – would be a good choice. And the “Big Book”, as A.A. folks call the more correctly titled “Alcoholics Anonymous”, is only 1/2 useful without a “12&12”. In Chapter 5 of the Big Book, titled, “How It Works”, is a BRIEF explanation of the 12 Steps of recovery in A.A. The “12&12”, or the “12 Steps & 12 Traditions”, goes into fuller detail on how to work the steps. If you make a phone call or 2, Chaya, I’m sure you can find an A.A. group that would LOVE to donate a “12&12″….
“Toxic Psychiatry” by Dr. Peter Breggin would also be an excellent addition to ANY psych ward library!
So-called “mental illness” is either something that NONE of us have, or else it’s something that ALL of us have…. People hurt people, and people can heal people. Of course, the people doing the hurting are rarely if ever doing any of the healing. Some of the best healers are those who’ve been hurt themselves….
And so-called “ECT”, or Electro-Cution Torture “works” exactly the same way any torture works. Look how effective torture was, when the Roman Catholic Church used torture to root out heretics during the Inquisition.
While yes, I can appreciate Fr. John’s take on Eastern Orthodoxy, I still prefer Mahayana Buddhism. Buddhism was 1/2 a millenium old when Jesus was born! Buddhism is a non-theistic religion, so it’s not as popular in the West, because there’s no God for the King to pretend to be….
First we had some philosophers deconstruct the pseudoscience lies of the drug racket known as “psychiatry”, and now we have an Eastern Orthodox priest! Curiouser & curiouser!….
Please let me clarify, Sarah! I’m stressed out, yes, because I care about my vulnerable friend. (I forgot to include that her Mom talked her into getting Electro-Cution Torture (“ECT”) years ago, and there’s a subtle but real “echo” of the neurological damage that most people miss because she’s also over-medicated on heavy neuroleptics.) The local CMHC is doing her more harm than good. She’s in rougher shape than when I met her years ago. I got free of the system over 2 decades ago, thank God! But in my present state of mind, I’m needing to walk miles a day more, for stress relief. And what you’re writing is just to confusing to me, to wrap my head around! I sense that you’re on the right track, when I read it. It’s so hard to put some of this stuff into words, I get that! It was more a report on my current, – TEMPORARY – head state! I’ve learned that all states of mind and emotion are transient, temporal, and they either get better or worse, eventually. Then you die. So why not choose to be happy, anyway!? Happiness is a choice. The more we practice to choose happiness on a daily basis, the more it becomes our default state of mind. We truly are as happy as we choose to be. The more we spread our happiness to others, freely given, without thought of return or reciprocity, the more our natural state of happiness manifests inside. Who I AM, and who I consciously CHOOSE to BE, drives my emotional state. No longer does my emotional or mental state determine who I am, and how I behave, and what I do. We all have far, far, FAR MORE power and control over our minds, thoughts, feelings, and emotions than we’ve been led to believe. It’s SO SIMPLE! (Just because I find your writing a little intellectually complicated for my Winnie the Pooh brain, is MY problem, not yours! )
*WHY*, in the last *5* months, is mine only the SECOND comment here….????….
This is one of the BETTER, – more useful and helpful, – articles here on MiA!….
I’ve never the acronym you used here, “ACT”, used to mean “(Acceptance and Commitment) therapy”….
I’ve gotten used to often seeing “ACT”, and just assuming it to be “Assertive Community Treatment”…
The “ACT” I know is a scam and a joke. It’s actually designed to employ a lot of people, at big taxpayer expense, regardless of how “helpful” it is to people, or how poor the outcome.
We have TOO MANY acronyms, and their use usually leads to confusion and classist elitism. They too often divide people, rather than bring them together. It’s not often here on MiA, that we see a personal story which actually says good things about a rare exception in psychiatry. Psychiatry is a pseudsoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. Sometimes the rare exceptions prove the general rule. Thanks, Caleb.
In other words, yes, “human activity” has, and continues to, effect the Global environment, weather, climate, and biosphere. But “crisis”? That part is HOAX. Yes, there is massive global-scale pollution. We’ve turned the world’s oceans into toilet bowls. The ENVIRONMENTAL movement is decades old, and shows every sigh of only increasing. Globally, we are moving AWAY from fossil fuels, and Towards solar & renewables. We are moving in the RIGHT direction faster than we are moving in the WRONG direction. Look where the world was 100 years ago, and the HUGE technological advancement since. You think we WON’T do better the next 100 years?
The whole “global warming”/global climate change” HOAX is media hype, and forced hysteria. For profit and social control. A scared population is easier to control and manipulate. Go ahead, everybody. Pillory me.
I can handle it. I’m wearing my MAGA hat. TRUMP 2020! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN AND AGAIN!
Regarding the woman who was talking about “diet, exercise”, supplements, yoga, etc.”, well, those are ALL either PHYSICAL activities, or else PHYSICAL substances…
ALL of psychiatric “treatment” for so-called “mental illness” is either some form of DRUGS, or CONVERSATION/TALK….
But to be a healthy person means much more than sitting and talking and taking drugs!
The “yoga/exercise” aspect of healthy living, and psychiatric “treatment”, is usually neglected….
But yeah, NAMI sux….
The “Limits of Psychiatric Knowledge” were MET and EXCEEDED sometime in the late 19th, or early 20th Century….
The pseudoscience of psychiatry has been coasting on DRUG MONEY, and SOCIAL CONTROL ever since….
We ALL need to be reminded of an old mnemonic for the progression of college degrees, from bachelor’s,
then masters, then doctorate, i.e.,: B.S., M.S. Ph.D.
In plain Modern American English:
Bull Shit, More (of the) Same, Piled Higher & Deeper….
It continues to amaze me how truly STOOPID people can be, who have advanced college degrees.
A person who has ANY college degree proves they know WHAT to think, (to achieve the degree).
But that’s NO EVIDENCE that they know HOW TO THINK.
That’s enough creative writing for today, I’m going back to sleep.
Alexandria Occasional-Cortex says the world will end in 12 years, and I wanna be well-rested….
I rest me case….
Gee, I always assumed that cognitive deafness was a prerequisite to a person becoming a psychiatrist….
I once had a couple of young psychiatrists whom I believe actually TRIED to listen to me, but their heads were filled with roaring cognitive dissonance and the cacophony of psychobabble….
So, I guess, no, I’ve never had a psychiatrist who actually listened.
Thank God I haven’t had one at all in over 25 years! Wish I’d gotten rid of them sooner!
You don’t get it. You’re not understanding what I’m saying. Both you, “Rachel777”, and “oldhead” have argued back against me when I said “racism is not a black & white issue”. There’s an inherent double entendre that you’re missing. In the 1800’s, “settled scientific consensus” said there were “3 races”, “Negroid”, “Caucasoid”, and “Mongoloid”. Is that “black”, “white”, and “brown”? Or “yellow”? What about the “red man”, the Native American Indians? You may have seen a “4 directions” artwork depicting the “4 races” of red, black, white and yellow. Where’s the BROWN? We use “race”, and “color” as if they are interchangeable words and concepts. It’s only by reference to context that we know whether we mean “race” or “color”. And I saw a video recently, from a black guy that argues that there’s really only ONE “race”, the “black” race, which ranges to a shade so light we’d call them “white”. He claims that what we might call “white people”, are actually NEANDERTHAL, who only fairly recently interbred with BLACK Homo Sapiens. So they are in fact 2 distinct SPECIES, who can’t possibly be the same “race”!
ANY PERSON is capable of prejudice, discrimination, oppression, etc. The whole issue of “race” and “racism” is used a wedge, to divide-and-conquer the most of us, by the few rich, moneyed&powered elite few of us. I still say there’s only ONE “race”, the human race. If you don’t agree with me, fine, too bad, that’s your problem. Please stop trying to make your problem be my problem. Maybe it’s ME who doesn’t understand what YOU mean when you say that “racism IS a black-and-white issue”. I think it’s NOT, that’s all….
Almost TLDR! Don’t take this the wrong way, Sarah, but 1/2 way through, I found myself confused! I kept asking myself, “WTF? is she talking about!?”…. I’m stressed out right now, from helping my friend. She’s a trauma/abuse victim, and is being grossly over-drugged and gas-lighted by the local “community mental health center”. The psych DRUGS are doing her more harm than good, but she’s court-ordered. She lives in subsidized housing, on disability, and a homeless meth-head/addict has moved in on her, and is taking advantage of her. The police are now involved, and she should be ok soon, but…. I’m stressed out! I’ll go for a long walk, and listen to some soothing tunes….and smile, and be glad and grateful thjat I’m at least rid of the pseudo-science lies of the drug racket of psychiatry! And c’mon, you know the DSM-5 is really only a catalog of billing codes, full of invented “diseases”! I’ll read the whole thing later, it’ll make more sense then….
The truth must be understood correctly. The DSM-5 is in fact a catalog of billing codes, and depersonalized anecdotes. ALL of the bogus “diagnoses” in it were INVENTED, not “discovered”.
I’d like to see MiA help us organize a formal letter of request to the American Psychiatric Association, requesting them to issue a formal public promise. That there will be NO “DSM-6″…..
I’d also like to see a similar letter, asking the A.P.A. to simply CEASE and DESIST accepting new memberships, and allow the A.P.A. to DIE a natural DEATH.
If corporations are persons, and persons die, shouldn’t corporations be allowed to die, also?
The DSM-5 is a catalog of billing codes.
@kindredspirit: “American empire” is the creation of European Imperialism. Mostly England, but also Spain and France, colonized the “new world”, what we know today as North and South America. The European countries also had colonies literally all over the planet. Slavery was up and running globally, long before 1776. Yes, many if not most of the creators of U.S.A., inc., were “white slave owners”. That was NORMAL, given the times and state of the world they lived in. The majority of the “GREG B.’s”, – the Global Ruling Elites and Global Banksters, just so happen to be “white people”. But that’s not the result of anything intrinsic to “whiteness”. The world would be exactly the same if all “blacks” were “white”, and all “whites” were “black”. So-called “racism” is NOT a black-and-white issue. It’s about money, and power, and control. Some “blacks” oppress other “blacks”, and some “whites” oppress other “whites”, and the fact that they’re the same “color” doesn’t prevent the oppression….
Is there any way to convince, or induce, Dr. Cosci to respond here in the comments section?
IMHO, the ENTIRE article from Dr. Cosci, above, consists solely of psychobabble and gobbledygook, both arising from, and supporting, the pseudoscience drug racket and means of social control known as “psychiatry”. Psychiatry is 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. But that’s just my opinion.
So this George Libman Engel invented the “biopsychosocial” model? Cool. That’s the BEST possible arrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic of psychiatry….. Sadly, millions of iatrogenically harmed persons are also going down with the sinking ship of psychiatry…. I’m sure that Dr. Cosci means well, and I intend no professional or personal disrespect to her.
But even the “bio-psycho-social” “model” of “mental illness” is just so much psychobabble and gobbledygook….
Real people have real problems, and sometimes some people take some drugs. Why can’t we better understand REALITY?….
There’s plenty of money, power, and drugs for everybody, if we’d all do a better job of sharing…..
RSVP, Dr. Cosci?________________________________?
Mr. McCrea: Dr. Cosci answers the question from “andy013” in the article above, in the 3 numbered paragraphs.
1. New Withdrawal Symptoms.
3.Persistent Post-withdrawal disorder. (Which of course may include EITHER so-called “new”, or “rebound” “symptoms”.)
You also didn’t answer another (implied) question from “andy013″…. **IS** he being “too much of a reductionist”….????….
The most concise answer to the 1 explicit question which “andy013” asks is:
Thank-you, Rachel777, for not actually linking to that site. I just went to “depressionisreal.com”, using that phrase typed into a search engine.(google).
The site is about as unprofessional as I’ve ever seen, for something that purports to be “real”. It appears to have been written by somebody who is NOT a native, or particularly fluent native English speaker. (It’s written in American English, not British). The “science” is highly questionable, and the site appears to exist solely to link to online drug ordering. The site appears to have photos of 3 actual doctors, but I bet they do not know their name, image and likeness is being used in this way. I’d say it’s a SCAM SITE….
Kinda’ like psychiatry as a whole….
….i heard it was really ONLY 9 out of 7….
America is NOT a democracy. America is a REPUBLIC. The word “democracy”/”democrat” does NOT appear in the U.S. Constitution. The word “republic”, in reference to the U.S. Government, does appear in the Constitution….
(BTW, the 13th Amendment, ratified in 1865, specifically allows for involuntary servitude and slavery. Most Americans have never actually **READ** the whole U.S. Constitution.)….
What’s a “POC”? “Psychiatrically Oriented Consciousness”?….
Seriously, what’s a “POC”?….
Don’t forget the rise of for-profit, private prisons in driving what you’re talking about…. And remember that the 13th Amendment specifically allows slavery, *IF* the person has been convicted of a crime. We’re not as “free” as we’d like to believe.
@kindredspirit: According to the “Sjogren’s Syndrome Foundation” website, “as many as 4 million Americans may have Sjogren’s”…. But it looks to me that it’s a made-up, invented “diagnosis”. It’s another business, another way to make money. And there’s “no cure”. I find it funny, that this is the FIRST I’ve heard of “Sjogren’s”…. I also notice that there’s no REAL mention of what CAUSES “Sjogren’s”. To simply call it an “autoimmune disorder” doesn’t really answer the question.
I’d say that psychiatry itself is PRIMARY injustice!
Or “causative injustice”, maybe….
“It is without a doubt that many people say medication made their lives better. Some welcome even their ‘diagnoses’ because it gives some explanation, it gives a reassurance.”….
It should be noted that that “many people” is in fact a SMALL MINORITY, and those “some” who “welcome” their so-called “diagnosis”, are, again, a small minority. Why have the psychs never looked at what seems to be unique about the minority percentage of persons who actually like their diagnoses and DRUGS?….
Hey, *some* people like heroin & opiates, so….
Hopefully, Roberta, you’ll take the next step in your awakening, and realize that the DSM is really nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the supposed “mental illnesses” in it are bogus, and they were ALL invented. NONE of them were discovered. The DSM is a laundry list of excuses and justifications to $ELL DRUG$. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good.
In closing, I assume you meant to write, “And a little THC.”, and that’s not a typo for “TLC”. Yes, medical cannabis, and especially CBD oils, has a very real potential to HELP HEAL your Father, in a way that all the pHarma DRUGS cannot. Pharma sells drugs to make money, not to make sick people healthy….
And the quack doctors are some of the sickest people in society. They either don’t know, which means they’re incompetent, or else they do know, and do it anyway, which means they’re malicious and malevolent. The allopathic medical profession is incompetent, crooked and corrupt.
I’m surprised that Dr. Ashfield made the tiny, but significant error, and NOBODY else noticed it! There’s no such thing as a “DSM-V”. It’s “DSM-5”. The APA dropped Roman numerals in favor of Arabic. Look at the picture above, DSM-5! And, the DSM is really a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the so-called “diagnoses” in it were INVENTED, and NONE of them were discovered. If so-called “mental illnesses” really were as “real” as the psychs want us to believe, than they would have been discovered, not invented. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as real as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. They are “STD’s”, – socially transmitted disorders. The DSM is just an excuse to $ELL DRUG$. More different diagnoses, more drugs to sell. A diagnosis and a drug for everybody! And PhRMA is laughing all the way to the bank!
There’s another glaring perceptual and cognitive error on Dr. Ashfield’s part. Despite the plaintive cry of the politicians and the media, there is in fact NO concern on the part of “BigGOV” and industry to “cut costs”, or “save money”. Given the Central Banks that all countries have, it’s FUNNY MONEY, or fiat currency. No, they really do NOT care how much money it costs. Dr. Ashfield ignores (due to economic anosognosia, no doubt!), asking the question of WHO GETS all that tax money? Almost NONE of that money is going to the poor “mental patient” on government “benefits”, but the salaries of those employed in the system only rise, and PhRMA’s profits only ever grow. If the motive was truly to help people, wouldn’t pharmaceuticals be required to be only on a “non-profit” basis? Like ANY business in our current late-stage capitalism, it is designed to ONLY GROW. More mental patients, more drugs, more drugs, more mental patients….
With all due respect, what I’m saying here makes Dr. Ashfield’s words here sound kinda like psychobabble and gobbledygook to me. Nothing personal intended, Dr. Ashfield, I really do think you’re at least facing in the correct direction! 😉
Oh, “littleturtle”! I really do think I know what you mean, when you say that you want a quick fix, but that you can’t seem to find that fix.Please let me suggest that you are NOT BROKEN. I’d say that you’re entirely normal, given everything that’s happened to you! What worked for me, was being told that within myself, there is a whole, healthy, and happy person. Then, I had to look long and hard at that, and realize the TRUTH, that I really AM a whole healthy happy person. And hey, maybe I’m wrong about this, but I really do truly believe that YOU TOO, are a whole, healthy, and happy person. And reading some simple books by the Dalai Lama helped me to understand that I could let go of my “conditional happiness”, and have UNCONDITIONAL HAPPINESS. I can decide to be happy just because, for no real reason, other than my own deciding to be happy anyway. Today, I’m a happy man. Even when I’m unhappy for a while. Because I believe in the whole, healthy, happy person inside myself. Does that make sense? I’m always happy to see your short, simple, honest comments here.
The mantra of the survivor community may as well be: “Recovery begins with NON-COMPLIANCE!”….
The LIES of the pseudoscience drug racket and means of social control known as “psychiatry” destroyed what should have been the best 20+ years of my life. I will NEVER go back. The past 20+ years psych-free just keep getting better. Even though I keep getting older and grayer!
About so-called “anti-depressants”, I was on both of the supposed “anti-depressants” Zoloft and Wellbutrin, for over a year each, while working with a licensed clinical psychologist, and a friendly General Practitioner Family doctor to write the scripts. Big waste of time and money. The ONLY real “effect”, or side-effect, that I noticed was I found myself just generally thinking about the broad topic of “suicide” more often. I was never anywhere near “suicidal”, only that I would think about it more than I did before, or have since. Working through a lot of childhood abuse issues, and my own stupid mistakes was the big key to my recovery. It’s when I learned to look at *RELATIONSHIPS*, and began to understand family dynamics, that things began to click. To the extent that I ever really was “suicidal”, the ABUSE and NEGLECT of the whole “mental illness system” is what made me despair and contemplate suicide. No “double-blind”, “placebo-controlled” “study” could ever prove that to me. But, *ALL* of the mass-casualty school shooters who then committed suicide, were on psych drugs. I dare you to find one that wasn’t, and let the exception prove the rule….
TO “littleturtle”: I think your experience is valid. But I also think your experience is the exception, not the rule.
Of course I don’t REALLY know you or your situation, but I take you at your word. Your psychiatrist may be one of the exceptions to psychiatrists in general. And, maybe you have a good relationship with your psychiatrist IN SPITE OF the fact they’re a psychiatrist, and NOT BECAUSE they’re a psychiatrist. See what I mean? Just because you have a good experience with your psychiatrist, DOES NOT mean psychiatry as a whole is any good. I’m glad you’re here, and I hope you keep coming back and commenting here. You always get right to the point, and say what you want to say in simple short words. With lots of us here, when WE comment, it’s like we’re writing a chapter for a book! Personally, I think so-called “mental illness” is something that we ALL have, just that *some* of us end up taking drugs from psychiatrists! We’re the UNLUCKY ones! 😉
This is one of the most important stories that MiA has covered. And I’m glad to see the link that “The_cat” posted above. The video “The_cat” linked to is 10 years old now! I strongly recommend watching some other videos there, too. The greed, corruption, and lies of PhRMA are nothing new to regular MiA readers. I have to wonder how much $$ went into this “study” of “Cymbalta”, and WHO funded it? And, I wonder *IF* the study will be published now, or not? And *IF* the study *IS* published, I have to wonder whether it’s only being published *because* MiA “outed” it here?
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First, George, I’m sorry for the loss of your daughter Martha. I just now visited her webpage, and looked at the photos in the gallery. I’ll spend more time there later, reading her writings. But one thing struck me about your stories here, based on my own life experiences. I think I need to share it. When Martha told you about her “Russian lover”, maybe it wasn’t as ONLY as “precious” as you describe it being for her. It’s possible that one reason she told you, was to “test” you. I remember once when I “came out as gay” to my parents at the dinner table. I wasn’t at all gay, but I was only saying that because it was the most outrageous, and hurtful to my parents thing I could think of to say to them. I wanted to shock them, test them, and mess with their heads. It was in partial retaliation for what my parents had said and done to me.
I’m only playing “MAYBE….”, and “WHAT IF?”, here, but I feel I need to share my idea here with you. Is it possible that it wasn’t that you didn’t take her seriously enough, but rather that you took her TOO seriously?
I think the grief and mourning process will continue for the rest of your life, of course.
I’m basing my comments also on my own direct experience. My parents took me to a psychiatrist in 10th grade. I got a bogus “diagnosis”, and a prescription, and the next 20+ years of my life were wasted because of it. There’s NO DOUBT in my mind, that psychiatry and psych drugs did me FAR MORE HARM than good. I’d like to think your writing here, George, is part of a healing process, and an honor to Martha’s memory. Thank you, and may God Bless you. ~Bradford
Oh, I don’t know. I still kinda’ think it’s an insult to perfectly good dragons, to compare them to the pseudoscience of psychiatry.
Maybe it should be the “Geico Gecko of Psychiatry”?
Crippled Lizard? Whatever….
The DSM is a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the so-called “diagnoses” in it are bogus, and they were all INVENTED, not discovered, to serve as excuses to $ELL DRUG$…. It’s about MONEY, POWER, and CONTROL. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good.
Thanks, Harper, I just wanted to write this blurb before I go check out your website. I type and write slow due to Iatrogenic Neurolepsis….
(I understand that the DSM-6 will have a special sub-category for “Neurocognitive Iatrogenic Iatrogenesis”, which of course is the specific mental illness of believing in psychiatry…. LOL….)….
OK, it’s not exactly a pay-wall, but the article linked to above can ONLY be read by “starting your free trial”.
So no, I haven’t actually read the article, but I can sure begin to comment on it….
First, the author seems to be bemoaning the huge “cost” of “mental health treatment”. But what is never asked in these types of articles is *who* *gets* those $millions$? It sure ain’t the poor “mental patient”.
“Mental Health, Inc”, as “yeah_i_survived”, above, calls it, is largely a type of employment agency. As good jobs in industry are outsourced and offshored, "Mental Health Inc." picks up the slack by employing folks who would otherwise be working as supervisors or admins. in jobs which now no longer exist here. And, the stress creates more "mental patients", which also means more psych drug $ale$. Truly the "government" has NO incentive to reduce so-called "mental illness", or to ease human suffering. Or to reduce to HUGE sums of money spent on it. Why should they? It's all *funny*money*, anyway….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It's 21st Century phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good….
WAKE UP, PEOPLE! GET OFF the DRUGS! I guess yelling at the choir isn't any more efficacious than preaching to them….
I don’t know, Megan, but isn’t the MORE REAL question really
Why do YOU as a PERSON accept this?….
Why blame “society”?
What can YOU do to change the situation?
Let’s be fair to *SOME* folks. *SOME* folks actually do claim to receive *SOME* “benefits”, *SOMETIMES*, on *SOME* psych drugs, for *SOME* (usually short) length of time.
Really. I’m not kidding.
In all seriousness, I think we need to respect at face value that some people report positive experiences with psych drugs.
It makes no sense to me.
But I can’t deny them their reality
This whole “study” is just more psychobabble gobbledygook nonsense from the pseudoscience of psychiatry. What this bogus “study” is REALLY saying, in plain English, is *THIS*:
“Most of the time, psych drugs either do no good at all, or else they do more harm than good.”
But, because psychiatry is ALSO a drug racket and means of social control, well,….
LOL! Thank-you, Tim, your excellent reply exceeds my expectations. “Quadrophrenia” is the title a “The Who” album, and a very excellent movie which I strongly recommend you see ASAP. It deals, as does the album, with teen angst and family dysfunction in 1960’s London. The album is the soundtrack to the movie. I’m sure it’s on >youtube<. "Poly", meaning "many", and "omni", meaning "all encompassing", thus "polyomniphrenia", is my made-up, imaginary word which I invented as a form of self-defense against psychiatry, and it's bogus "diagnoses". It's a play off "schizophrenia", and "Quadrophrenia". "Iatrogenic" of course means "caused by doctors or medical treatment", and "neuroleptic"/"neurolepsis", is a semi-legit construction basically meaning neurological/brain injury. So "iatrogenic neurolepsis" simply means that too many quack doctors("psychiatrists") gave me too many DRUGS that I shouldn't have been given in the first place, and that hurt me." It started in 10th grade, and ruined the next 20+ years of my life.
While of course the details differ, most of the general themes and actions of your story mirror my own. While I do NOT blame my parents/family, unhealthy & dysfunctional RELATIONSHIPS growing up, and my own later poor choices involving alcohol & drugs are at root of what the psychs misdiagnosed as "schizophrenia". Including so-called "hebephrenic" schizophrenia, which it was explained to me has NO overt symptoms. What a crock of horse feathers that was!
One thing that saved me was a strong sense of humor! Just ask Auntie Psychiatry! Thanks so much for your story!
….repeat after me….
So, in *OTHER* *WORDS*:
“We pseudo-scientific, psychiatric wanna-be researchers are so drug addled, and welded to our delusional medical model worldview, that we simply MUST continue to throw DRUGS at people, like spaghetti on a wall, in hopes that SOMETHING SOMEhow sticks, because there’s just so much money at stake…. Even statistically meaningless mad scientist-style human experiments are fine with us. After all, as psychiatrists, we’re the direct ideological descendants of Dr. Joseph Mengele….U.S. Military persons are the ideal human guinea pigs, because the U.S. Taxpayer picks up all the incidental costs…..God BLESS America!”….
There. now THAT is how you write a press release. Gotta keep the sheeple entertained…. >ironic< 😉
Who or what are “SMI”? I really can’t tell from context.
(Eh, almost 4 years later, you probably won’t even see my question….)….
12/03/2018, New Hampshire State update: N.H. is in the process of drafting a “new” 10-year plan for “mental health”. It’s a joke. It’s heavily NAMI & TAC influenced. N.H,. is proposing a “hub-and-spoke” model for “treatment access”, which “might” be coordinated with the “substance abuse” issue. Basically, they’re proposing to throw $millions$ into the same failed system, and try to create in the future something that should have been up and running over 20 years ago. One of my closest friends is a VICTIM of the local “community mental health center”. The staff deliberately lie about her, just so they can ship her to the State mental hospital. Bad help is worse than no help at all, and there’s no “good” “mental help” in N.H. It’s sad….
BEST: 2 formal, public announcements from the American Psychiatric Ass’n:
1. There will be NO “DSM-6”. Perhaps a DSM-5R, or DSM-5TR, as with the DSM-IVR & DSM-IVTR….
2. New memberships in the APA will CEASE. Through natural attrition & decease, the APA will cease to exist in a few decades at most.
VOILA! No psychiatry, no DSM!….
Nonsense. Psychiatry doesn’t “deny trauma”. Psychiatry makes PhRMA rich by selling drugs for it….
No. By definition, a “bad hair morning” never lasts more than one day.
But a “disorder of love” is life-long, and multi-generational.
It’s transmitted socially, but not genetically.
ALL so-called “bad hair days” are idiopathic.
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. Unless you’re a rich investor with lots of PhRMA stocks. In that case, psychiatry is a literal goldmine. I’m not arguing with your statement, Dr. Lynch, that “JAMA Psychiatry” is a “medically respected medical journal”. I understand where you’re coming from in saying such nonsense. You’re basically saying that Santa Claus is a famous Arctic Explorer. And so-called “mental illnesses” ARE EXACTLY as “real” as presents from Santa Claus. The DSM-5 is best seen as a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the bogus “diagnoses” in it were INVENTED. NONE of them were discovered. The DSM-5 exists to guarantee plenty of diagnostic allegations to serve as excuses to $ELL DRUG$…. So-called “traumatic experiences” can’t NOT cause “psychotic symptoms”….
How far into the 21st Century must the rest of us go, before psychiatry finishes dragging itself out of the 19th, and deigns to join us?….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. The DSM-5 is really little more than a catalog of billing codes. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. For an otherwise competent psychologist such as Dr. Kinderman to give as much credence and respect to the pseudoscience of psychiatry as he does, only proves what I’m saying here.
ALL so-called “mental illnesses/disorders” are in fact STD’s. They are Socially Transferred (and Transmitted)Disorders. That’s in the rare cases that they’re disorders at all. While the basic message of Dr. Kinderman here is valid, he doesn’t even begin to go as far as he should. The so-called “medical model” of psychiatry has FAILED, exactly as it was designed to do. The more psychiatry we have, the more “mental illness”.
Oppression, suppression, and repression are all very closely related. And they all rarely, if ever, have long-term positive outcomes. I’d say further that oppression, suppression and repression are at the root of ALL so-called “mental illness/disorder”. And even more sadly, the entire modern “mental health system” is only designed to further suppress, repress and oppress those persons whom it pretends to help. Bad help is worse than no help at all.
This was a really excellent comment thread, until *SOMEBODY* just had to go and ruin it by mentioning
*T*R*U*M*P*. Maybe MiA should have a blanket “no Trump-calling” policy? Why is it, that the people most opposed to the Trumpeter, are also the ones who most frequently invoke his name for what I consider to be stupid reasons? If ever there was a de facto “off topic”, it would be our current POTUS!
I don’t want to take away one little bit from the excellent writing here, Monica!
Or from all the hard work you and so many others have done.
But I do want to add that there’s something called “walking meditation”.
Perhaps “mindful walking meditation” describes it better.
Especially early on, for beginners and psych trauma survivors, sometimes a sitting meditation can be too intense. The basic mental aspects of vipassana can just as easily be practiced while slowly and mindfully walking, thus allowing a better physical outlet for the nervous energy that tends to arise early in meditation.
As Mr. McCrea has so conclusively proven, sometimes, EVEN “when consciously deciding to work with others’ opinions to get something done”, your best efforts can prove futile when others are neither honest, nor truly self-aware.
I hereby nominate Monica’s writing here on “mindfullness mediation” to be included in any future “best of” compilation that MiA might do.
The power of the human brain/mind to engage in self-deception is beyond the imagination of most people. THINK about THAT…. remember, the FULL quote is:
“IF ignorance is bliss, THEN ’tis folly to be wise”….
Tim, great story. I especially liked your use of the phrase “caught a schizophrenia”, in the 1st paragraph. I hope that wasn’t a typo! But I have a serious question about your comment here, above. You write that “though people change diagnoses never change”.
Are you granting validity to such archaic concepts as so-called “schizophrenia”? And thus implying that you believe them to be “treatable but incurable brain diseases”? Or are you more speaking to the persistence of the so-called “stigma” which inevitably accompanies these bogus “diagnoses”? As for my own so-called “schizophrenia”, The Who helped me realize I could double my options by developing quadrophrenia, but I found I could most fully flower by adopting omni-polyphrenia. Today I simply live with Iatrogenic Neurolepsis. Of course I know that so-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. And that the DSM-5 is in fact little more than a catalog of billing codes.
I apologize in advance for the inevitable delay in the appearance of my comment. I type slowly. As clear and concise as your story is, perhaps you could help explain to me what you mean about the persistence of “diagnoses”? THANKS!
So, let me get this straight, – these “supplements” are considered “foods” by the FDA, but the FDA doesn’t regulate them? That kind of Federal Bureaucratic thinking is how the DEA has given us the heroin & opioid crisis, too! But it still sounds like at least the supplements are SAFER than PSYCH DRUGS!….
@oldhead: There’s no such thing as an “ego”. As with so-called “mental illness”, “ego” is an imaginary construct. “Ego” only exists in the minds of those who choose to believe in “ego”. “Egos” have NO “weight”, so there’s no way that a conference could collapse under the weight of them. Well, how much does *your* “ego” weigh?
Damn, over 6 months, and NObody has commented on this? wtf?….
Psychiatry has literally INVENTED 100’s of bogus “diagnoses”, where the VICTIM will have to take the DRUG for “the rest of their life”….
I wonder what Goldman-Sachs has to say about the busine$$ of p$ychiatry?….
I clearly remember my father spanking me, and then my crying. Then my father would say to me, “If you don’t stop crying, I’ll give you something to cry about.”
Then I would think to myself, “Gee, Dad, I already DO have something to cry about!”
I can laugh now. But no wonder I got a bogus diagnosis and a prescription for psych drugs when my parents took me to a psychiatrist in High School!
Psychiatry and it’s poison pills have done, and continue to do, far more harm than good.
So-called “schizophrenia” is in fact an STD. It’s really a “socially-transmitted disease”.
OMG, more psychobabble and gobbledygook!
Once again proving the TRUTH Mark Twain is credited with:
“There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.”
We may as well call the DSM-5 the “DLM-5”, or “Diagnostic LIES Manual”
That would make more sense, except there are NO statistics in the DSM-5.
Which of course makes no sense, but that psychiatry for ya’!
“Psychiatry, the nonsense science”
Really, I think “nonsense science” has a friendlier ring to it than “pseudoscience”…..
….*sigh*…. Yet more psychobabble and gobbledygook. It’s equally valid to say that the ONLY cause of crime is the laws against crimes themselves. For example, if there were no laws against it, murder would not be a crime. Murder would simply be murder. It is only by passing criminal laws against murder, that murder becomes a crime. If we repealed all criminal laws against murder, then murder would cease to be a crime, and the crime of murder would no longer occur, or even exist.
I’m so brilliant. Where can I get a high paying job as a “neurocriminologist”?….
By the same logic, we could eliminate 100% of so-called “mental illness”, simply by eliminating both the DSM-5 and psychiatry. But sadly, psychiatry creates so-called “mental illness” in a way that “neurocriminologists simply do NOT create crime…. But then, unlike psychiatry, neurocriminologists do not force their victims to consume brain damaging drugs, so there’s that, too….
It’s worse than that, Frank. I clearly remember reading several articles about this sad incident when it happened. Both women were truly “voluntary” patients, and NOT in “crisis”, simply needing some hospital-setting “time out”. They found themselves suddenly MADE into “involuntary patients”, and just as suddenly transported. There was NO urgent need to transport them at the time. And, the *type* of secure Sheriff’s prisoner transport van used virtually guaranteed their deaths. These deaths didn’t have to happen, and shouldn’t have. At least one of the women’s deaths left 3 young children motherless…. The ONLY consolation will be a hopefully 6- or 7-figure lawsuit payout in a year or 2….
I’m 100% on your side, and in support of you ALL. This comment is directly to “BetterLife”, above. I know what you mean about “side effects”. But it occurred to me, that there’s NO SUCH THING as so-called “side effects”. Either the drug(s) have effects, or else they don’t. Obviously, a placebo has placebo-like effects. A nocebo has negative, or harmful effects. I suppose we can speak of “intended effects”, and “non-intended effects”. But I say “side effects” are really DIRECT effects that PhRMA and the psychs don’t want to ever mention. The doctors KNEW, or at least certainly SHOULD HAVE known what drug EFFECTS could and would do to your parents. I’m sorry about that.
Thank-you, and I hope things go well for you and your family. And I hope I have expanded your thinking on bogus, so-called “side effects”. The psych drugs darn near killed me, too. Ugh! 😉
In overly simple terms, “you tell yourself that you’re thirsty”. I don’t see how some “spiritual force” is required to explain literal, physical thirst. And, considering what we’ve learned about our gut micro-biome in the last decade or 2, maybe our thirsty gut microbes tell us we’re thirsty? While I personally believe in some sort of GOD, or God, I’m curious why you write “G-d”?…. Just askin’….
Ekaterina, it’s difficult to put in such a few words here, but YES, Buddhism DOES teach that you “were Buddha in a previous reincarnation”. Something like that, anyway. And there is NO drug, or “medication” which can make that specific thought go away, or lessen. That’s not how either thoughts or drugs work. Buddhism, and Buddhist thought and ideas, and especially the words of the Dalai Lama, have been VERY helpful to me.
But too many of us have learned the hard way, that we must be very careful about what we say, how we say it, and who we say it to, when we are dealing with psychiatry. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drugs racket, and a mechanism of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. I know you know all this.
I’m glad to have read some of your story, and glad you wrote it. I’m sorry for what they did to you. I have seen other writings from you here on MiA, haven’t I? We ALL have what might be called “crazy ideas”, and yours don’t seem very “crazy”, to me. Me? I believe that I am 1 7/1,000,000,000th of humanity on Earth! And remember, without “ART”, “EARTH” is just “EH”! SEE!? You smiled at that! You feel better, don’t you?
“Empire-building” for the pseudoscience drug racket of psychiatry, and “market expansion” for PhRMA.
Yes, that’s exactly how the scam works.
Psychiatry invents more “diagnoses”, and PhRMA $ELL$ DRUG$….
It’s all about money, power, and control.
Neither psychiatry nor PrRMA cares one bit about people.
(BTW, the DSM-5 is really just a catalog of billing codes….)….
There’s some confusion here! What does “APA” mean? What do the letters stand for? Is it:
“American Psychological Association”, >OR<
"American Psychiatric Association"
There's a HUGE difference. It's the PSYCHIATRIC ass'n which produces the DSM-5
(The DSM is really just a catalog of billing codes, but that's another story….)….
Nov., 3, 2018
“ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture
I just searched >ECTmeow<
“ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture
How much simpler can it get?
“So-called “ECT”, Or “Electro-Convulsive Therapy”, or “Electro-Cution Torture”
as it’s more accurately known….
I can’t see the letters “ECT”, without thinking “electro-cution torture”….
A lot of that “stigma” could easily be avoided if people would just STOP “self-identifying” as “autistic”, or “Aspergers”…..
I ALMOST posted a nice comment about Mr. Allen Frances, after I watched the video of him speaking to Amanpour on CNN. (I’ve heard “CNN” means “Clinton News Network”, or “Communist News Network”, but I’m not sure which is more correct.) Then i read ALL the comments before I posted my own. When I got to Auntie Psychiatry’s comment, I knew Frances’s goose was cooked. Here, Auntie Psychiatry responds to Rosalee, (above), and it’s SO IMPORTANT, that I’m gonna cut-n-paste it here:
Auntie Psychiatry wrote:
“Rosalee, Don’t be fooled – Allen Frances is a devious wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is the public face of guild Psychiatry, and has a powerful platform in the mainstream media which he is using to save his “profession” from sinking into the mire. This interview is a classic example. He captures the public mood of outrage at being misled about “antidepressants” whilst neatly deflecting all responsibility for the current situation away from Psychiatry. His tricks are easy to spot once you know them…
1. Allege scarcity of data: “There’s almost no research on the withdrawal syndrome.”
2. Bring in a bigger villain: “The pharmaceutical industry is only marginally less ruthless than the drug cartels, and it’s not in their interest to advertise this, so there’s been very, very little research.”
3. Pass the blame on: “80% of the antidepressants are prescribed by primary care doctors.”
4. Re-assert Psychiatry’s ultimate authority in these matters: “There’s a cruel paradox that we’re over-treating the worried well and we’re terribly neglecting the really ill…”
5. Big-up the drugs as ‘life-saving medication’: “the medications are absolutely essential for people with severe depression.”
In the UK, our top psychiatrists are already following his lead and spinning these very same lines to the press…
“Professor Wendy Burn, president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, said antidepressants are ‘a life-saver’ for many people but ‘not enough research has been done into what happens when you stop taking them’.” (Independent 2 Oct 2018)
Journalists will buy it, and the message will filter down through blogs and social media to the public at large. Psychiatry, as always, will come up smelling of roses.”
I myself am living proof that psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control.
I myself can NOT identify as “anti-Auntie Psychiatry”! “Anti-psychiatry”, yes.
But Mr. Allen Frances and his ilk damn near killed me, and stole what should have been the best 20 years of my life, and caused IATROGENIC damage to the rest of it….
BICYCLE! BICYCLE! BICYCLE!…SWIM! SWIM! SWIM!….WALK! WALK! WALK!….
Bicycle or walk 7 days a week. Swim 3-5 times a week. No depression.
Any person with health insurance and a “depression diagnosis” should have a bicycle paid for, and a good pair of walking (or running) shoes, also…. But that just makes WAY too much sense!….
When I read the piece above, I can’t help see a bunch of grossly over-educated idiots, who are too enamored of the trees of their “higher education”, to EVER see the FOREST of LIFE, where healthy people exercise DAILY!
But the native vegetable of modern America seems to be the couch potato. No wonder so-called “depression” is epidemic! The human body was genetically designed to *exercise* *daily*!
Sorry, “Slaying Dragon”, but I must disagree with your statement that “Autism is a myth, just like every other so-called “mental illness””. Given that I regularly describe psychiatry as the pseudoscience which it is, and that the DSM is a catalog of billing codes, I’m sure you’ll see what I am NOT disagreeing with! Much of my limited knowledge of “autism” comes from the website “Age of Autism”, which is kind of a lower-budget Mad in America”. Their content is produced mostly by parents of severely autistic children, and they include lots of links to other sources of information. There’s a “something there” as regards autism, in a way that there just isn’t with so-called “mental illness” in general. And, the numbers of parents of children with so-called “regressive autism”, who were completely “normal” until right after they got vaxxed, is much, much higher than the lame-strem mass media will ever acknowledge. It seems that in SOME vulnerable persons, vaccines trigger a type of auto-immune respons which leads to an encephalopathy which gets diagnosed as “autism”. And the degree of impairment in autistic children is extreme enough that I’d say, yes, AUTISM IS REAL.
What I find most telling, is that the “Medical-Industrial-PhRMA-Research-Complex” is not at all interested in even discussing possible “environmental” causes of autism, or discussing possible causes at all, except a so-far fruitless search for “autism genes”.
That so-called “Asperger’s” no longer exists, having been folded into ASD in the DSM-5, supports what I’m saying here. There *IS* a “something” in far too many children, and the label in use is “autism”.
Personally, I think so-called “Aspergers” is bogus, but not autism. So I look forward to reading more at the link you provided. I’m sorry it’s taken so long for my comment to appear…. I think this is the first time I’ve ever disagreed with ANYTHING you usually write!
(Dragons are powerful mythical creatures, and comparing them to quack psychiatrists is insulting to dragons, but that’s just my personal opinion. SLAY AWAY, & how can I help you do that?!…. 😉
Yes, what we have now is a process-centered process, and a system-centered system.
What we NEED is a person-centered process, and a services-centered system.
Only then can we ask, “What can we do for you?”….
But I still say that the trauma-informed “What happened to you?”, is a good first step.
Psychiatry and psych drugs can NEVER get beyond “what’s wrong with you?”, because they will NEVER ask or answer any other questions….
And as for psychiatry’s “answer” of potent, neuro-toxic psych drugs? Well, *WE* know….
“the black sheep”,
Just 3 of the many words used to describe the family roles of almost all so-called “mental patients”.
These are all types of so-called “stigma”. The “government” will never go away, and neither will “stigma”.
Government and stigma are both tools used by the rich ruling elites to attain and maintain their
MONEY, POWER and CONTROL. There is NO “mental health crisis”.
So-called “mental patients” are more correctly seen as victims of social and governmental oppression.
People don’t “sleep rough” because of lack of money, – they do it because of a lack of housing.
So-called “mental illness” is not caused by “mental illnesses”, – it’s caused by a lack of knowledge, understanding, and compassion.
The “Guardian” would rather spend the next few decades publishing stories like this, than to tell the TRUTH:
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drugs racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good.
Remember, so-called “stigma” was NOT DISCOVERED. It was *INVENTED*…..
Think about that truth….
It’s too bad that “Mad in America” isn’t trauma informed. Sure, they post *British* articles like this one. But America is NOT England, nor is it the United Kingdom. NOBODY in America has EVER been “sectioned”. But “sectioning” happens every day in the British Isles. “Sectioning” is most severe in England. English “sectioning” always results in either re-traumatizing trauma victims, or initiating first trauma in the trauma naive. Here in America, where “Mad in America” sometimes traumatizes those who comment, we say “court ordered”, or “involuntary”, or “forced”, and use euphemisms such as “ACT”. “ACT” is a buzzword dog-whistle whose letters stand for “Assertive Community Treatment”….
But the larger take-away from this article is that so-called “mental health treatment” in general, and psychiatry and psych drugs in general, too often do more harm than good to already traumatized, so-called “mental patients”
I know that *I* sure feel re-traumatized just from reading this article.
But that’s also partly because my incest-trauma inflicted friend has been thrown in the State loony bin again by the local “Community Mental Health Center”, and forced to take brain damaging drugs because that’s what “they” think she needs. “They” are NOT trauma-informed!
Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good.
The above article simply proves that point.
“Bad help is worse than no help at all”
20 years ago, 2 employees of the local “Community Mental health Center” called the local police, and lied, saying I was suicidal, when I was not. The cops broke in, dragged me to the local hospital, and forced me to meet with some quack from the agency. They tried to force me to say I was suicidal, but I wasn’t, so I didn’t.
So they arrested me, and held me on $500. cash bail. The charge was so bogus, it was dropped, but the damage was done. So this article is nothing new. Psychiatry, psych drugs, and NAMI, the UN-holy trinity, have done, and continue to do, far more harm than good.
Notice how you NEVER see anybody from the local “Community Mental Health Center” commenting on these cases in these types of articles…. WHY is that?….
Yes they can. Unless you’re arguing that NOBODY can be “mentally ill”….
Besides, so-called “bipolar disorder” is only as “real” as presents from Santa Claus,
….but not more real.
It was decades ago, now, that a psychiatrist from India and myself butted heads in a State Mental Hospital. She was a very traditional Indian woman, who wore a sari everyday. That’s fine with me. Her English was pretty good, but I wouldn’t say she was as “fluent” as I’d think a psychiatrist should be in whatever Native language they’re using. It makes no sense to me, to allow a doctor to practice, who isn’t fluent in a given language. But psychiatry is a drug racket, and means of social control, so, whatever, huh?
Anyway, this Indian psychiatrist and myself were chatting about general stuff, outside of any formal “talk therapy”. She made some comment about something, and I joked, “Oh, you’re just paranoid”. Any native English/American speaker would have understood that I was only kidding around and making a joke. But that’s not how she heard it.
Later, I got in BIG TROUBLE for “accusing” this quack psychiatrist of being “paranoid”. She heard that word “paranoid” ONLY in it’s strict, clinical sense. She made such a huge stink over it, and it was literally nothing to me. While she tried to “get me in trouble”, she failed because the other Americans on staff realized the true nature of the problem.
While “diversity” and “multiculturalism” are some of the key magic words for bleeding-heart liberals, they are too often used as tools of genocide. Nothing *GOOD* can come to India, for allowing the pseudoscience lies of the drug racket known as “psychiatry” to invade India, and wreak havoc on Indian society, as it has in the U.S. and Western world..
This appeared in 2012, long before I found MadinAmerica. Looks like “GenerationRX” is a good film, – too bad it doesn’t seem to have had as much effect as some of us wish it would. Maybe NOW even more folks will see it….
Frank: (and everybody else!),
Currently, the chips Otsuka is putting in Abilify are very low power, and only have a very short range. They couldn’t possibly communicate with GPS satellites. They are designed ONLY to communicate with a wearable device which is on the victim’s body, or perhaps in a pocket. But that’s only true for current technology. Please note that I am NOT defending this Frankenstein “medicine”! But I don’t want our paranoia to exceed reality, either. Otsuka and Abilify as they ARE NOW, are worthy of paranoia!
Dr. Steingard includes a link to a video on “Medscape”, by a Dr. Strakowski, who wants to do a better job at “Branding” psychiatry today. The longer comment above, from myself, is what I posted on “Medscape” in their comments section. But it *looks like* “Dr. sandra steingard” left herself logged in to that site. So I *think* that my comment there looks like it was posted by Dr. Steingard and not myself. I couldn’t see how to log in to “Medscape”. I’m sorry for any confusion, and I’m sure that regular readers of the MiA comment section will recognize my usual comment style and content.
I’m a surviving victim of the pseudoscience drug racket and means of social control known as psychiatry. Psychiatry is 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. The DSM-5 is in fact a catalog of billing codes. All of the supposed “diagnoses” in it are bogus, and they were all invented, not discovered. Think about the key difference there. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but they are not more real.
Consider the “mind”, which psychs believe can be/have an “illness”. Did YOU create your mind all by yourself? Or is it the fact that your mind is a social construction. How did you teach yourself English, before you learned English? Or were you taught English by others? Therefore, so-called “mental illness” must be something that either ALL of us have, or else NONE of us have. Each person is a unique human being, but psychiatry believes there are arbitrary and clearly defined categories of “mind” which can be defined and identified. That’s a form of group delusion.
As for this so-called “stigma”, which must be “defeated”, how can you propose to “defeat” something which you continue to perpetuate, having created it in the first place? I say you can’t. There ARE some identifiable, biological, physical brain conditions which can mimic many so-called “mental illnesses”, and those are the province of neurology, not psychiatry, as clearly stated in the video. So-called “stigma” is in fact an artifact of psychiatry. Psychiatry created stigma, and psychiatry perpetuates it.
And I haven’t even gotten to the unholy marriage of psychiatry and PhRMA. Psych drugs are far less safe, much less effective, and much less necessary than your PhRMA paymasters would have you believe. The so-called “medical model” is both an aberration, and an abomination. It’s the tool of oppression which psychiatry wields to inflict the carnage it does. Among my friends are far too many who suffered under psychiatric care. Many, if not most, were also victims of physical, mental, emotional, verbal, psychological, and sexual abuse as children. I know 3 women, – ironically all Catholic, – who were raped by their fathers when they were girls, and who were then taken to psychiatrists for labelling and drugging in their teenage years, all so they would not be believed when the spoke out about the truth. So, yes, psychiatry is complicit in covering up rape. The unmitigated and unacknowledged arrogance and intellectual conceit of psychs such as in the video continues to appall me. The worst mistake I ever made was going to a psychiatrist, and taking psych drugs. The best decision I ever made was to stop both. And so I will live out my years, in increasing good health and happiness psychiatry-free. And I shall speak out every chance I get at the pseudoscience lies of the drug racket and means of social control known as psychiatry. There’s a damn good reason for that “shortage” of psychs, – people are waking up to the delusions, to the lies. You really need to spend a few hours at .madinamerica.com., reading some truth, and hearing other surviving victims tell their true stories. My only conflict of interest is the truth of my own reality, which psychiatry cannot explain. Gee, Doc, what happened to my “mental illness”?
Fist time this century, huh?
On your “”pay no mind” list”, *oldhead*, just what exactly is that “mind” which you’re not paying? Is that a healthy-minded decision?
Well, it wasn’t back in the 1800’s. Let’s hope the early/mid-2000’s are different….
You’re wrong, Steve. EVERYBODY is EXACTLY the SAME. We’re all unique….
I think you should always also note that the DSM-5 is a CATALOG of BILLING CODES….
And Mental-Illness-Industrial-Complex should be capitalized.
I sometimes self-identify as an “escaped former mental patient”! LOL
The BEST thing I EVER did, was turn my back on psychiatry & psych drugs over 20 years ago.
The WORST thing I ever did was go to a shrink & take psych drugs in the first place!
Psychiatrists are actually seriously discussing “diagnosing”, and “medicating” so-called “mental illnesses” IN THE WOMB. No, there is no depth of depravity which psychiatry will NOT drop down to….
If there was true financial and economic justice in the world, Bruce Levine would receive full cover price for the copy of his new book, that I would receive free. No, I’m not some self-entitled idiot who thinks I should just get stuff free. I live in the abject poverty of Social Security Disability as the result of Iatrogenic Neurolepsis. Too many quack psychiatrists gave me too many drugs, which I should never have been given in the first place. I’ll talk to the head Librarian here in town, and see if I can get her to order a copy of
RESISTING ILLEGITIMATE AUTHORITY. The City can pay for it….
KEEP UP the GOOD WORK, PEOPLE!
@joshua7 I hope you’ve tried “medical cannabis”.
/ABOLISH psychiatric GENOCIDE/
“Community Mental Health Center” / “CMHC” is an OFFICIAL designation under the Federal CMHC Act. Writing it as, “Community “”Mental Health”” centers”, is both incorrect and confusing. C’mon, *oldhead*!…. LOL
“ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture
That’s kinda’ wasteful, Fred, and not very environmental. All those ECT machines could be de-manufactured, and their component parts either recycled back into industrial raw materials, or re-used for other devices. Or made into a huge, crazy art machine project!
Either there are no comments on the linked-to article, or else they’re only visible when logged in with FaceBook. Where’s the usual crowd of MiA comments….????….
I was on a benzo, clonazepam(“Klonopin”), for over 20 years. The Family Physician who originally wrote the prescription was fairly clear with me on the pros & cons of it. It was a low dose, written as a PRN. I could take it if I thought I needed it, but I should also take it as little as possible, and look to eventually coming off of it. And, it was only an “addition” to the intensive recovery and self-healing program I was doing for myself. I also worked most of that time with a group of very excellent clinical psychologists. The longer I was on it, the less I took. Eventually, a 30-day supply lasted many months, and most days I took none. The Dr. & I had an understanding that I was beginning to taper off it, the day I went on it! But I never saw it as “psychotropic”. The whole point was to make my PHYSICAL symptoms more manageable. It had little if any direct effect on my mental, emotional, or psychological state. Once or twice early on, I deliberately took a much larger dose, just to know what the effects would be. I don’t want to live my life zonked out, so abuse of the drug was not an option for me. I can certainly see how so many people have gotten in trouble with benzos, but I’d MORE like to see PhRMA and the Medical community take more of their share of the responsibility. My biggest need for the clonazepam was to limit the effects of Iatrogenic Neurolepsis. When I was much younger, too many quack psychiatrists gave me too many brain-damaging drugs, that I should never have been given in the first place. As good as the article above is, it’s still too much about BLAME the VICTIM. One set of quacks gives too many pills, and another group studies the effects! *I* SHOULD get PAID for taking the crap! Why not? Everybody ELSE involved in benzo manufacture and distribution is getting paid! My God, mental illness runs rampant in the medical profession!
The biggest take-away I get from this article, is that this guy Fanon, who I’ve never heard of, thinks that so-called “mental illness” has both cultural/social/society, and environmental factors. Something like that. It’s kind of confusing, really, to make a better judgement with so little information. I really don’t want to waste my time doing a scholarly examination of some long-dead psychiatrist. The BOTTOM LINE for me, is that so-called “mental illness” is something that either ALL of us have, or else NONE of us have. You can choose to believe that nobody has so-called “mental illness” because it doesn’t exist. But I do believe that *SOMETHING* exists, which gets mislabeled as so-called “mental illness”. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. So “mental illness” is something that we ALL HAVE. And we seem to be quite skilled at giving it to others, too. And the greatest single cause of preventable “mental illness” is the pseudoscience of psychiatry. Without psychiatry, “mental illness” wouldn’t exist at all. So at best, this guy Fanon merely perpetuates the modern superstition of “mental illness”.
I’m in New Hampshire, one of the 5 States in this study. In 2012, I watched the State CPS, (called “DCYF” here) literally destroy a mildly disabled girl’s family. She was taken away from her very loving but also mildly disabled Mother in a blatantly fraudulent “Neglect Hearing”, and put in foster care. A week later, her Mother was evicted into homelessness. The girl was later put in the Nashua (state-run) Childrens’ Home, and drugged with Seroquel as behavior control. Even considering the girl’s mild physical disability, and her difficult, impoverished childhood, she was a bright, happy, wonderful kid. Until the State took over. And the PSYCH DRUGS. I’ve lost touch with the family now. But yes, powerful PSYCH DRUGS are routinely used as CHEMICAL RESTRAINTS in CHILDREN. This is the EVIL of both psychiatry, and the so-called “medical model”. This article gives just a glimpse of the carnage.
Pretty fancy writing, Megan, THANKS! But you know I have to say something. I think you give way too much credibility to the “scientific community” for that deficient definition of *3* responses: “fight, flight, and freeze”. That’s biologically incorrect. (I won’t get into the genetic details here….) We humans have *4* fluid systems in our bodies. Blood, lymph, bile, and digestive. We have *4* nervous systems. (I forget what they’re called….,whatever….) So too do we have *4* responses: FIGHT, FLIGHT, FREEZE, and RUN-and-HIDE. Both “fight” and “freeze” can look similar, because in both we’re still “there”, or “here”, or where ever. And “flight” and “run-and-hide” can look the same, because they both involve “running away”. But “flight” is running away as fast and far as possible, for the sake of getting as far away as fast as possible. “Run-and-hide” is only about running as far as fast as possible to get to a safe place to duck into and hide. “Freeze” is an attempt to hide in plain sight. “Fight” is, well, FIGHT.
Thinking we have only 3 responses needlessly handicaps us.
As for the current “administration” in the D.C. White House, remember, you’re young. Most of your distress has been deliberately inflicted by the controlled media. It’s BOTH really not as bad as you think, and worse than you can possibly imagine. That’s the paradox of reality. The paradox of DUALITY. We see this duality in the self/other dichotomy. In the female/male dichotomy. In the sane/insane dichotomy. In the healthy/unhealthy dichotomy. It’s all just US. Or all just THEM. Or EVERYBODY. Or NOBODY. Darn. There’s that “4” thing again!
Ultimately, the kind of mental masturbation we’re engaging in here is only somewhat satisfying, but not very productive. Thank-you for writing what you’ve written here, which inspired me to write what I’ve written here. You could have done it without me, but I couldn’t have done it without you.
And Obama EXPLOITED them for political purposes. Obama’s creation of DACA was un-Constitutional. The Repubs let him get away with it. Look at my longer comment below.
(I am on “pre-emptive moderation”, so it may take some time for my comment to appear.)
“….DACA “did not offer pathways to legalization, address exclusions from deferral and financial aid, provide relief to beneficiaries’ family members, and was revocable.”….”….<- from the article, above, next-to last paragraph….
This quote points to all that is wrong with DACA, and U.S. immigration policy in general. Obama enacted DACA illegally, in clear violation of his Constitutionally enumerated powers. It SHOULD have been passed as a Federal Law, by Congress. But the FACT is that NEITHER the Repubs or Dems wants to pass a DACA-style law. BOTH parties want to USE DACA recipients as political pawns and bargaining chips. And the so-called "left"/"progressives"/"liberals" are also dupes and pawns in this political process. That Trump himself can void DACA is proof of what I'm saying here. Remember, Trump was a "Democrat" longer than he's been a "Republican".
None of what I'm saying here negates anything said in the article, above. But the REALITY is, that "illegal immigrant" IS a valid characterization, even for DACA people. DACA is NOT a Federal Law. So, yes, even DACA recipients are in clear violation of Federal Law. That makes them illegal immigrants. Their immigration is illegal. There's no such thing as "illegal people".
The Democrats could have easily introduced a bill in Congress that would have made DACA a legitimate Federal Law. That they have so far failed to do so, shows just how corrupt America's political process truly is. If Mexican & Central & South American countries and cultures were so HEALTHY and FUNCTIONAL, then we here in America would have far fewer illegal immigrants from those countries. The oft-repeated refrain that such people are "escaping poverty, violence and war" only reinforces what I'm saying here. Yes, some help must be provided by the FedGov. But at the same time, a sense of responsibility and accountability needs to be made clear to the entire illegal immigrant community. To continue to see them as only, or even mainly "passive victims", as this QUALITATIVE study does, is to continue to dehumanize and exploit them. To patronize and belittle them. Democrats want children to take care of at FedGov expense. Republicans want them to grow up, be adults, and take care of themselves. That's how I see it.
Princess Aurora: So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. They are ONLY “real” because YOU BELIEVE them to be real. They are “real’ in YOUR mind, but they are NOT real in MY mind. So-called “mental illnesses” ONLY exist in YOUR mind, but they do NOT exist in MY mind.
Yes, there ARE “crazy people”, but that’s another subject….
Dogs are PACK ANIMALS. They are SOCIAL animals. When ANY dog “destroys the furniture”, etc., it’s ONLY because they have been LEFT home ALONE! Have you ever heard of a dog who “destroys the furniture” when their pack/family/people are present? No, of course not. So “destroying the furniture” is a stress response to abandonment. It’s a SOCIAL reaction to an abandoning pack/family. The problem is the pack/family. It’s NOT the dog that’s the problem. The dog is the victim. The pack/family is the problem. Same as with people. That’s the reason the so-called “medical model” of so-called “mental illness” has such a low recovery rate….
(Also, you’re neglecting consideration of the “No-cebo” effect….)….
The single biggest obstacle to “progress” in “behavioral healthcare” is the delusional belief that such a FRANKENSTEIN as “behavioral healthcare” actually exists outside of fiction….
In the 1800’s, we had Frankenstein, Dracula, Vampires and werewolves.
In 2018, we have the X-Men, Transformers, Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.
After all, we’re still practicing 19th Century medicine with the pseudoscience drug racket of psychiatry….
Oh, my, isn’t that a very pretty and interesting re-arrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic!
All you do-gooders and reformers are just going around in circles.
You can “Mental Health America”, and “Change Direction”, and NAMI all you want….
You’re either rotating clockwise, or else engaged in counter-clockwise rotation.
Either way, you’re going in circles, at best.
As long as you believe in so-called “mental illness” or “mental health condition”, or “dual diagnosis”, or
whatever nonsense du jour, you’re going nowhere.
It’s a process-centered process, and a system-centered system, and money RULE$!
The “gold standard” is “HE who has the gold makes the rules”….
It’s the Capitalist Patriarchy on psych drugs and steroids….
Until you make it a PERSON-Centered Process, and a SERVICE-Centered System, you’ll get nowhere.
I know you’re all good people, and mean well, but I will NOT help you re-arrange Titanic deck chairs….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drugs racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry, and it’s Frankenstein “medical model”, has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. The DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the bogus “diagnoses” in it were invented, not discovered. There IS a difference. Real people have real problems, but imaginary “diseases” should NOT be part of that. So-called “dual diagnosis” is just the latest SCAM, to $TEAL MONEY, and further enslave folks. And $ELL DRUG$ for PhRMA….
Why do you REALLY THINK so-called “peer support” always gets the $hort end of the $tick????….
It must be pointed out that Baldwin quit because he was “harassed online”, and got some professional push-back and rebuttal to his provably false views. Baldwin’s claims of the safety, efficacy, and ease of withdrawal from so-called “anti-depressants” are NOT supported by either a careful scrutiny of the research, or the TRUTH of many 1,000’s of psych drug victims. But NOWHERE does Baldwin even attempt to defend the PhRMA-backed opinions in his ridiculous letter….
What you described just above, *shaun f*, in your longer post, (that I couldn’t reply directly under), is a PROCESS CENTERED process, and a SYSTEM CENTERED system. That’s the whole problem, and the key to the solution. It SHOULD BE a PERSON Centered Process, and a SERVICE Centered System. Think about that, please.
Thank-you for that very singular, anecdotal, and extreme report.
Wouldn’t you estimate that “can be life saving in some instances” works out to AT MOST 5% of persons currently victimized by Electro-Cution Torture? 1%? Also, “history of bipolar disorder” is equivalent to “got lots of presents from Santa Claus last Christmas”. Exactly *WHAT* “medications” had she stopped taking? How long had she been on them? What *in utero* alcohol/drug exposure did she have? Fetal & childhood nutrition? What’s her ACE profile look like?
If you’re going to come on MiA and defend Electro-Cution Torture, you need much better evidence. And just WHAT does a “positive” “response” to Ativan look like?
The death penalty does have side effects, but when used properly, it is 100% effective in preventing convicted murderers from re-offending.
ECT is nothing more than a non-lethal living death penalty.
ECT = Electro-Cution Torture
What kind of SICK SOCIETY produces people who need ECT in the first place?
About 15 years ago, when she was 22, my friend’s Mother forced her to undergo ECT. My friend has not been the same since. She has poor memory and learning skills, and is only able to barely maintain some limited independence in subsidized housing, a small disability pension, and Food Stamps. She’s a wonderful person, and a good friend, but she is also STILL a VICTIM of psychiatry and the local “Community Mental health Center”. She is forced to take neuro-toxic drugs which she doesn’t want, doesn’t need, and which are harming her. If ECT did her ANY good, I certainly can’t see it. All I can see is an increasingly VICTIMIZED VICTIM. ECT is nothing more than the tip of the iceberg of psychiatry’s GENOCIDE. ECT belongs on the scrap heap of history.
ECT = Electro-Cution Torture
PLEASE be HONEST!
“ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture!
This past Tuesday, I attended a meeting at the local hospital. The Commissioner of the N.H. Dept. of Health and Human Services was there, with a couple staff folks. In Feb., 2016, the hospital fired their child psychiatrist, which resulted in shutting down their 6-bed “Adolescent Psych Unit”. A couple months later, 30 more staff were terminated, and they shut down their 12-bed “Adult Psych Unit”. Now, there is NO inpatient “psychiatric care”/”mental health unit” in a small city hospital which had that for decades. So at this meeting, the Director of the local “Peer Support Agency” stated that “hospitals refuse to accept our workers”. I spoke up, in a loud voice, and said, “The State should NOT ALLOW the hospitals to deny peer support workers.” I even repeated that exact statement into the polite & stunned silence which followed my first comment. As has been documented elsewhere here on MiA, the “mental health system” either refuses, or co-opts “peer support staff”. That’s further proof that psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drugs racket, and a means of social control. IF it was a legitimate medical specialty, it would WELCOME assistance from any person. The exclusion and co-opting of peer workers is further proof of the toxicity of the so-called “behavioral health/mental health” system…..
Corinna: The “problem”, and the ANSWER, are BOTH so SIMPLE….
Now, with the pseudoscience lies and drugs of psychiatry, we have a “Process-Centered Process”, and a “System-Centered System”.
What we NEED is a PERSON-Centered Process, and a SERVICES-Centered System….
Think about it. Then think about it some more….
FWIW, on the title page of “Alcoholics Anonymous”, the quote is: “The story of how many thousands of men and women HAVE RECOVERED from alcoholism”. (Emphasis added.) The founders of A.A. spoke of becoming “recovered” from alcoholism, but staying in a “recovery process” for life. You can turn a cucumber into a pickle, but you can’t turn a pickle back into a cucumber!
Look for “Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism”, by Chogyam Trungpa, and I can strongly recommend anything by the Dalai Lama, as entry texts to non-Zen, Mahayana Buddhism. Also, “Going Home, Jesus and Buddha as Brothers”, by Thich Nhat Hanh, is an excellent little book that shows how much basic Buddhist and Christian beliefs have in common. To me, though, Zen is just a bunch of headgames!
“….if an intestinal microbiome disarray is the cause of mania and bipolar disorder”….as the article states, then so-called “bi-polar” really is NOT a “mental illness” at all, is it?….
So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drugs racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. BTW, Bayer first gave the world “Heroin”, as a brand-named, patented, trademarked consumer product, back in the late 1800’s.
Thank-you, Sharna. What MORE can we do, to assist your efforts?….
Thank-you, Carlene, for sharing your truth here. I’d go further and state that experiencing some “suicidal thoughts” is a completely normal and natural part of being human. I think ALL people go through one or more times of some level or degree of “suicidal thinking”. ALL adults have “considered suicide”. I know I have “thought about” suicide, when I was on psych drugs. But whatever being “suicidal” is, I got over it years ago.
(Sorry about all the “quotation marks”, – that’s the best way I know to write the words which best express my thoughts. This is one subject that calls for more nuance than our language commonly allows.)
Once, 20 years ago, 2 employees of the local “Community Mental Health Center” called the police, and LIED, and claimed I was “suicidal” when I wasn’t. The police surrounded my apartment, broke in, and dragged me out naked in handcuffs. Literally. They took me to the local hospital emergency room, where a different CMHC employee attempted to coerce me into “admitting” my “suicidality”. But I wasn’t at all suicidal, so the police arrested me on bogus charges, and $500. cash bail. A few weeks ago in August, based on a lie of being “suicidal”, my friend was put against her will in the isolation cells in the local hospital for 5 days, then driven to the State Mental Hospital in handcuffs and shackles by the Sheriff’s. She was NOT at all “suicidal”.
Being (supposedly) “suicidal” is actually used as a WEAPON against people. This just confirms what Carlene is saying, – that teams of people will spring into action, to “prevent” a “suicide”, but they aren’t willing to just sit with, and listen to, a “suicidal” person. The whole “Community Mental Health center” paradigm, and the pseudoscience lies of the drugs racket and means of social control known as “psychiatry” has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. And “suicides” CAUSED by psych drugs? NOBODY wants to look at THAT!….
Gee, what happened to the “social model of disability”??? I appreciate your willingness to engage with the rabble here in the comment section, Mr. Coombs. And I regret what’s happened in the comment section. I’m seeing a whole lot of mutual mental masturbation here. It sure feels good, but produces nothing but a sticky mess, regardless of gender. Look at ALL the comments here. EVERY one is all about TRUMP, and OUR REACTIONS expressed in words. Political bickering. ARGUING over the PRECISE definition of provocative CODE WORDS. How many comments even MENTION the “social model of disability”? NONE! (Except *mine*, of course!) And all *I* do is mention it. My point, Mr. Coombs, is that you have fallen for the “con”. You don’t understand that there is no real difference between the Republican and Democrat political parties, in terms of what they actually *DO*. Sure, they have 2 very different sets of rhetoric, designed to appeal to a wide range of people, but that’s deliberately deceptive. The Dems appeal to the feminine, liberal left. The Repubs appeal to the masculine conservative right. (Yes, that’s both an over-simplification and over-generalization.) So by defining and limiting “both ends” of the “political spectrum”, the whole of the population is better controlled. And, by encouraging debate ONLY within these 2 artificially limited and controlled parameters, the *perception* of a full and open debate on the issues is both created, and controlled. This dynamic largely shapes and defines the larger culture, the SOCIETY from which that “social” emerges. So we have all ignored any serious discussion of your precious “social model of disability”. See what I mean? What’s more important to you, Mr. Coombs? Pointless political arguing about Trump? Or actually helping disabled people? I think you have done NOTHING in this article to either present and educate the ideas behind the “social model of disability”, *OR* to help disabled persons. As we learn in Alcoholics Anonymous and addiction recovery services, a key feature of the addict and alcoholic is DENIAL. Denial is an inability to clearly see the damage and harm our drug and alcohol use is causing us. Addicts and alcoholics BOTH resist and deny the idea that they are truly “sick”, or have a problem with their substance use and consumption. To my diagnostic eye, you yourself have a very serious, perhaps terminal case of “Trump Anxiety Disorder”. You’re far from alone. Thanks to a Global-scale FAKE NEWS media, we’ve ALL been infected. I’m sorry you chose to write about Trump at all, and I’m sorry MiA chose to publish your article. Maybe next time you can write an article about the Social Model of Disability. (Personally, I think the U.S. should invade Britain, topple the Monarchy, and convert the subjects of the Crown into citizens of a true democracy. But that’s satire, Mr Coombs.)
One key point needs to be made, and EMPHASIZED. In the article above, Sasha Altman DuBrul makes a statement about the system “saving money”, as if that’s a good thing. This is a common delusion among “peer support” folks, and most other people. The system is NOT interested in “saving money”. Why should they be? It’s TAXES. It’s OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY. The system wants to tax as much as it can, and spend as much as it can, even going as far as DEFICIT spending. Deficit spending into debt, even! The current U.S. *deficit* is $100’s of Billions per year, maybe over $1Trillion. The U.S. DEBT is well over $22Trillion. Most U.S. States are in similar, if smaller $$ positions. So, no, “saving money” is never more than empty words. You *ALL* need to read this, and correct your delusional thinking. THEY really don’t care whether or not WE “save” them any money at all. Because even if we do manage to “save” them some money, they will just spend it somewhere else…. We may as well tell them the TRUTH. We will get better results, even if it costs them more money.
Almost 15 years ago, now, the postman, a Federal USPS employee, “reported” me to the police, who “investigated” me. The cop wrote in his statement, in my criminal record, that I needed to be “psychiatrically stabilized”. (The cop had once worked as a “psychiatric worker”) Today, it’s been well over 20 years since I’ve seen a psychiatrist, and I’ve never been healthier! What you’re saying is correct, >streetphotobeing<!
Darby Penney: I’m agreeing more with >oldhead< here, and affirming that "naive" is correct. In 1996, here in New Hampshire, I was one of the original founding board members of a new "Peer Support Agency". We got financial and administrative support from a State-wide 501(c)3 "Disability" agency, all flush with the latest "empowerment" jargon and lingo. Quickly, the local "Community mental Health Center" began shoehorning their way in. They literally stole some of our grant seed money, and stacked the board with "system loyalists". I was kicked off the board because I was too "consumer oriented", or some such lame, pathetic excuse. Now, that center functions as the "day treatment" program for the same CMHC, which has NO day treatment program of it's own. Folks are still abused and drugged as much as ever in the "State system". "Peer support", as an organized entity, is a sham. The paradox is that ONLY TRUE PEER SUPPORT, not the sham "mental health system" stuff, has any hope of truly helping people…. The so-called "survivor movement" isn't any better. You "survivors" are still defining yourselves in terms of THEIR (systemic) ABUSE of you! Why not imagine a world BEYOND BOTH "mental health" *AND* "mental illness"?….
Thank-you, Michele, for adding your voice to a growing chorus! And WELCOME to >Mad in America<..Yes, I get what you mean when you say that, "we have an epidemic of people taking psych meds for years at a time (sometimes decades) for a host of mental disorders and some of these people are not getting better." But sadly, I think you'll find it's much worse than you imagine. It's NOT ONLY "some of these people" who aren't "getting better". I'd say it's MOST of "these people" who "aren't getting better". They can't. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drugs racket, and a means of social control. It's 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. The DSM-5 is really best seen as a catalog of billing codes. All of the so-called "diagnoses" in it are bogus, and they were all INVENTED as excuses to $ELL DRUG$. Real people have real problems, but imaginary diseases shouldn't be part of that. And so-called "mental illnesses" are exactly as real as presents from Santa Claus. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. I'm familiar with Dr. Kelly Brogan, and I'd say you're in good hands with her. She's one of the shining light exceptions to the rule of psychiatry being a pseudoscience and drug racket. What saved my life was reading Dr. Peter Breggin's "Toxic Psychiatry" in the early 1990's. From what I read here, you've gotten on the best path to recovery and healing. In 2023, today will be 5 years history, and will look VERY different! If I knew then, what I know now, I would NEVER have started with psychiatry and psych drugs in the first place! I'm glad you survived.
OVER *6* months later, and STILL no comments….????….wtf?….
Damn, dude. Why can’t you go with me to my psych appointments? You describe me better than *I* can! “They” don’t listen to me, – maybe they’ll listen to you! What you describe here is EXACTLY why I haven’t been back to psychiatry in well over 20 years! BAD HELP is WORSE than NO help at all! Seriously, you need to clone about a bazillion of you!
Both your article, Dr. Cornwall, and your comments, JanCarol, are EXCELLENT. JanCarol, I used to be your brother! I would make very incisive, very sarcastic, very funny, and very hurtful comments to the vulnerable in my circle of friends. That was during high school / teenage years. I was doing it to protect myself, given the abuse I experienced growing up. But luckily I saw it for what it was, and stopped, eventually. I think many, most, or even all of the persons you described, Dr. Cornwall, were themselves abused in various ways as children, even if it was “only” verbal, emotional, and psychological abuse. I think we need to broaden our view, and see these dynamics as the multi-generational and social-scale functions that they truly are. After all, what is it that too often makes us such good victims for the victimizers? Repeating patterns! Thank-you, BOTH!
Given all the brain-cramp inducing mental masturbation here, all the gobbledygook and psychobabble, there’s one big elephant in the room that’s getting ignored. So-called “social justice” is nothing more than individual-scale justice scaled up to the Society level. And ALL adult persons were once children. And, in a wide variety of ways, MOST children experience some form(s) of abuse, from mile to extreme. Verbal, emotional, psychological, and mild physical abuse are typically seen as the milder forms, with sexual and violent physical abuse as the more severe. And in most abusive families, there’s some effort to cover-up, and “normalize” the abuse, which the children wittingly or unwittingly participate in. Sexual abuse, and violent physical abuse, are especially to be covered up, and not spoken about. Thus it’s easy to dismiss children’s complaints and concerns, often by discrediting or invalidating the child. Given the pervasiveness of these dynamics, it’s easy to see how generation after generation, a SICK SOCIETY is created and maintained. And thus are the structures of a sick society created and maintained. Psychology and psychoanalysis too often put window dressing and heavy curtains on windows that should be open to let the light in. And psychiatry STIGMATIZES and DRUGS the victims, with bogus “mental illness” labels, and potent neuro-toxins. Thus the sick society is perpetuated. There can NEVER truly be any so-called “social justice”, until and unless individual justice is advanced. There can NEVER truly be any so-called “social justice”, until and unless SOCIAL justice is advanced. It’s not an “either/or”. That’s the trap of DUALITY, as best expressed in Buddhist philosophy, which the West ignores at best, and rejects at worst. What psychology, (and what little actual psychoanalysis still exists,), MOST NEED to do, is stop trying to be psychiatry’s little brother with dreams and delusions of grandeur, stop pushing for “prescribing rights”, drop the gobbledygook and psychobabble, and GET REAL. Real people have real problems, but imaginary “mental illnesses” should NOT be part of that. Psychiatry and its’ poison pills have done, and continue to do, far more harm than good. And sadly, psychology trails right along behind.
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
Danvers began in the 1870’s. (I couldn’t find the exact date here.) Thorazine was invented in the 1950’s. So I don’t think Thorazine helped Danvers do anything. I’d guess Katherine’s “target audience” is as much of the general public as she can reach. She wants to sell books. Duh. But educating the public is more important, and I bet Katherine agrees with me on that. We’ve both been in some psychiatric snakepits, it sounds like. But if Katherine’s story about Danvers gets us so upset, maybe we’re still back there. I only get stressed thinking about the places I was actually tortured and incarcerated at. And yes, I, too, heard that line, “If you weren’t crazy when you got here, then you will be when you leave.” And, our “recovery” will be a life-long process. We can NEVER be who we would have been, if we had never been subjected to what we were subjected to. You can turn a cucumber into a pickle, but you can’t turn a pickle back into a cucumber.
We here at MiA are ALL “psychiatric pickles”! (Dills are ok, but too sour. I like sweet gherkins the best!)
I went too thin, when I was buttering on the flattery. You weren’t the target of my criticisms; – you just happened to be walking in front of the target when I fired my latest salvo! Large, State-run institutions have been snake pits and hell-holes, yes, but I think there are larger political, social and economic forces responsible for that. The earlier photos, and your description of early days at Danvers show that Danvers started out with good intentions, and was probably a pretty nice place to be, back when. One big problem with psych drugs, is that they are used as “chemical restraints”, and “chemical straitjackets”, which negates any therapeutic effects they might otherwise have, and makes any kind of actual “therapy” much less effective, and likely. I’m a HUGE history fan, and articles like yours are some of my favorites!
The best way to guarantee future DRUG $ALE$ is to get as many doctors hooked as young as possible, on as many drugs as possible. How do you expect a drugged-up doctor to speak out against over-drugging?
Yeah, but if we can’t get rid of psychiatry UNTIL we get rid of “injustice and inequality”, then we will NEVER get rid of EITHER.
I’d rather get rid of psychiatry FIRST, and worry about the rest of injustice and inequality LATER….
Life is inherently “unjust” and “unequal”, Bonnie.
But it isn’t inherently psychiatrized.
….having seen the Cochrane kick out Dr. Peter Gotzsche last week, is anybody ELSE seeing this pattern emerge?….
Either the Mental-Illness-Industrial-Complex is getting SCARED, or else maybe they are planning their end-game….
I really don’t think you get it, >oldheadoldhead<. But it seems to me that you continue to ignore OTHER people's reality. Even if I could, I would not force other people to not believe in so-called "mental illnesses" being real.
The BEST part about your nit-picky critique of MiA, is Robert Whitaker's response. THANK-YOU, Robert!
*try this: "….persons given DSM-5 labels…."
I'd say, "persons given BOGUS DS M-5 labels", but that's just me….
Thank-you, Katherine, so very much for this article, and the years of work and dedication which it represents.
Now, of course you know I have to pick a few nits. I’m an MiA regular, so maybe my sensitive and hyper-critical nature is genetic. Heck, maybe it’ll be in the DSM-6. Early in the article, you use the term “mentally ill”, and “insane”, but without the quotation marks. Later, you use “mentally ill” WITH quotation marks. Personally, I think you should only use “so-called “mentally ill””, with quotation marks around “mentally ill”.
My point is, that for all the change in knowledge, understanding, and culture, we still don’t really know what we’re talking about here. We can’t agree on what words to use to describe “it”. Whatever “it” is. But as the early years of Danvers show, we actually did a MUCH better job helping hurting and scared and confused persons 100 years ago, than we do now! Psychiatry and psych drugs have been steps backwards, not the “progress” the psychs would claim.
And it’s interesting to note your description of handcraft occupations as “demeaning”. That’s bunk, and it’s not flattering that you think that way. Would it be better that persons sit in drug-induced stupors all day?
We’ve seen that so-called “sheltered workshops” for so-called “retarded” persons have been phased out, as “reformers”, and “progressives” THINK they know better than common sense. So-called “community treatment” of the so-called “mentally ill” has been an abysmal failure, but it isn’t because residential facilities were too big.
I hope you spend many hours here at MiA, and learn from those of us who have spent some time at places such as Danvers. You’ve done a valuable service by keeping a historical window open into our collective past. So-called “mental illnesses” are better seen as “STD’s”. They are “socially-transmitted disorders”.
This sad story is WRONG on so many, many levels. But there’s one thing that’s common to most, if not all States, including here in New Hampshire. Any person who has been, or is, “involuntarily committed” to a “mental health receiving facility” WILL BE transported in handcuffs and shackles by Sheriff’s Deputies, in a Sheriff’s cruiser, or van in this case. HANDCUFFS and SHACKLES. Even if the victim-“patient” hasn’t been charged with a crime, – and most aren’t. Some quack says you’re “a danger to self or others due to mental illness”, and you’re treated like a criminal. I challenge and defy AMY doctor or clinician reading this to comment below, and defend this barbaric practice. There is NO excuse for these women to have died. Yes, the Sheriff’s deputies should be charged with “criminally negligent homicide”. they KNEW, or SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, that their “actions were likely to result in injury or death” to these 2 women. If ALL the people in the van had drowned, hey, too bad. But the Sheriff’s Deputies saved themselves, WHY NOT the 2 women?….
In other words,:
“We psychiatrists have been pumping psych drugs into folks for decades, but we have done NO legitimate, long-term research to see if our mass-population, poly-drugging for life protocol actually has any real benefits or not. Of course this also allows us to ignore the ever-growing choir of voices claiming harm from our misguided drugs racket. But hey, look at all the MONEY and POWER we have! Ain’t life great!”
Yeah, Steve, too bad that “undermining” is only theoretical and metaphorical….
BTW, “pre-emptive moderation” I understand. It sucks, but what can I do about it?
But what’s with this DELAYED pre-emptive moderation.
No, I do not think it’s at all unreasonable to expect my comments to be approved within a few short hours.
I see several comments that are days old, and STILL “awaiting moderation”….
And you have so far FAILED to answer several questions I asked you, relevant to “comment moderation”.
What’s your problem, Steve?
It’s really SAD that there’s only 1 comment here, in well over a month. So-called “family separation” isn’t really a new problem, it happened under Obama, too. And, what nobody wants to talk about is DETERRENCE.
How do we DIS-courage folks from coming here? Other countries need to be fixing their own problems, not squeezing their people out to come here. Why CREATE more refugees? Shouldn’t “refugee-ism” be discouraged? Hey, I’m all for making legal immigrants feel as welcome as possible. But, YES, I want to see everything possible done to DIS-courage ILLEGAL immigration. And why is NOBODY mentioning the abomination of private, for-profit detention facilities?
Serious question, Richard:
What exactly do you mean by saying “fake news” is “fascist code words”?
How is that different from “Fascist code words”?
My understanding is that Hitler and Mussolini are really the only 2 “Fascists”,
but that there are many “fascists”.
Personally, I think that psychiatry is the personification of “medical fascism”, but I wouldn’t call a psychiatrist a “Fascist”. I might ask a psychiatrist how it feels to be a “fascist”, but I wouldn’t call them a “Fascist”, and I’d probably get in trouble if I did.
Please note that I have been very careful here with upper- and lower-case “F’s” & “f’s”….
I think you’re skating on paper-thin ice by over-using and abusing the OTHER “F-bomb”….
“For the one person reading this who needs to be told that the above is satire — I am sorry…”
Apology not accepted, Mr. Coombs. It appears that *I* am that “one person”. Until I came to the line I quoted above, no, I had no idea that you were writing “satire”. Even now, going back and re-reading your piece, I still can’t quite see it as “satire”. Is your WHOLE piece here “satire”? Or only the section(s) above the disclaimer?
I can appreciate your trying to make jokes, or satire, or whatever you want to call it, but I still don’t really understand what your point is. Are you in fact making a serious point about the so-called “social model” v. the “medical model? So why go on so much about Trump? Do you consider Trump to be a “Fascist”, or merely “fascistic”? There’s a world of difference.
You see, Mr. Coombs, I really don’t think it’s “about Trump” at all. It’s about YOU, and ME, and US and WE, and what will be OUR response(s) and reaction(s) to Trump? Will we act as courageous rational adults, or scared and silly children? What most appalls me is the very real “Trump Derangement Syndrome”/”Trump Anxiety Disorder” that YOU PEOPLE are so vividly displaying here.
I actually voted for Trump, for 2 main reasons.
1. The media was so blatantly PRO-Hilary, and anti-Trump, that it was my way of saying “screw you” to the media.
2. I STILL think Trump is better than “Huck Filary”
There’s something you really don’t understand, Mr. Coombs. Changing puppets in the puppet show doesn’t change the puppet-masters. BOTH Trump and Clinton are puppets to the “GREG B.’s”, the Global Ruling Elites and Global Banksters, as I call them. See, Mr. Coombs, I do have respect for you, but at the same time, I get a perverse pleasure out of watching you libbies get your panties in a bunch over Trump.
Because you see, I was once captured in combat, taken captive, held hostage in a secret prison, and tortured with drugs for 6 months. That really, actually, literally happened to me. It was decades ago, now.
I got over it. I’m very comfortable and happy with my PTSD. And I think that MiA made a very serious editorial error by printing your anti-Trump diatribe disguised as “satire”. I can understand that humor is the tool you’re using to self-counsel you own case of TAD. Maybe the DSM-6 will include it. But that’s satire….
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
ps: Please clarify, – you ARE writing from England, aren’t you? I heard Europe is going to nuke Britain for Brexit. But that’s satire, too….
Lawrence, while I generally agree with what you’re saying about the excesses of both Medicare & Medicaid, I have to quibble with a minor point. I’m both a Medicare and Medicaid “beneficiary”, as a disabled person. While yes, I’m grateful for what care I’ve gotten, NEITHER program pays “full freight”. Only *some* of my “healthcare costs” are covered, and then, usually only a percentage of the billed amount is reimbursed. But yes, “healthcare” in this country is a MESS, and Medicare/Medicaid are far from the “solutions” they are usually presented to be….
Only about 15% of the U.S. population is directly invested in the Stock Market/Wall St., and another 35% is indirectly invested through 401(k)’s, IRA’s, etc. So about 1/2 the U.S. population is NOT invested. And, companies such as Perdue Pharma, which gave us Oxycontin, and made $Billionaires$ out of the Sackler family, are private companies that you can’t invest in. Truly, PhRMA mostly profits the rich, ruling elites.
I think MiA should convince the APA to agree to NO “DSM-6”. It’s a catalog of billing codes. Thanks, littleturtle!
I’ve only seen it described as “Trump Derangement Syndrome”, and it is just as real as any entry in the DSM-5. But not more real….
If I’m driving down the road, and thinking about killing myself, and I decide to swerve into that oncoming large truck to commit suicide, but then I change my mind, and don’t do that, and then years later I ask this question, have I, or have I NOT, “survived a suicide attempt”?
Am I, or am I NOT, a “suicide attempt survivor”?
So, is MiA now publishing satire without disclaimer, or only part doing so?
Maybe the DSM-5 is social satire, too? I love this stuff! I’m all like
@Nomadic, and everybody else: on 09/18/2018, I clicked the links above. The youtube video has been taken down by the BBC and a copyright claim. The Jane Lytal book & story do seem somewhat “frightening”!
Well over 10 years ago, now, I worked very closely with both a PCP/Primary Care Physician, and a licensed clinical psychologist. I took both Wellbutrin, and later Zoloft, for well over a year each. They did NOTHING for me, that I could tell. The psychologist said he *might* have noticed “some slight improvement”, but he couldn’t be sure. The only “change” I noticed, was that I found myself thinking in vague terms about the subject of suicide more often. I was never “suicidal”, – just found myself thinking about the general subject.
So, yes, I can see how for some people, a prescription for “antidepressants” could also be a prescription for suicide. But, of course, a rising suicide rate means we need more money spent on more psychs and psych drugs, right?….
I’m genuinely curious, oldhead. Why do you STILL use the racist, invented term “marijauna”? You DO know it’s racist history, don’t you?
Cannabis is far more accurate.
It’s funny watching a “Drug Warrior” try to explain the human endocannabinoid system!
But seriously, why still “marijauna”, and not CANNABIS?….
Your reasoning is circular, Richard, as regards “capitalism”. I’m saying that “capitalism” *ALLOWS* the excesses that you and I rightly reject. But *I* am saying that “capitalism” DOES NOT REQUIRE these excesses. When you use “ENVIRONMENT” above, I don’t think you mean, “sky, and air, and water, and plants and trees and soil, etc.” Don’t you mean “human environment”? 99.99% are CAPABLE of murder, but 99.9% DO NOT murder. Human nature *allows* murder, but human nature does NOT *require* murder. Seriously, Richard, I think your mind and thought process are tripping over your own ideology, and “anti-capitalist” emotional bias. And rhetoric. I do appreciate your critique. But I can’t agree, because I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. Just because I *CAN* take drugs, doesn’t mean that I *MUST* take drugs. I’m saying the same thing, in essence, about PhRMA AND “capitalism”. And psychiatry. Just because we have psychiatry, doesn’t mean that we need psychiatry. I bet you’d agree on THAT, Richard! Thnx!, ~B./
Bradford’s comment consisted of asking a question regarding the conscious, or possibly non/un-conscious motivation behind the line of reasoning employed by “shaun f”, in his comments regarding “Big Tobacco”, and “Big Alcohol”.
As we’ve seen this weekend, Bradford has been effectively GOTZSCHE’D!….
Such actions have brought DISREPUTE to both the Cochrane, and MiA…..
“Gotcha’, Gotzsche! How do you like being CENSORED?”….
(*MY* words only bring “disrepute” to myself. I’m a rational adult, and I accept responsibility for my words.)
In the second paragraph above, (below the photo of the pills & toy soldier), there’s what can only be a typo, although it’s in quotation marks. Where it says, “flawed and unequivocal at best.”, that “un” must be an error.
“Flawed and equivocal” makes sense in context. “Flawed and unequivocal” makes NO sense in context.
In plain English, psychiatric drugs are much less necessary, less safe, and less effective than the psychs and PhRMA want you to believe.
In my own case, an abrupt, “cold turkey” withdrawal from “AP”‘s resulted in a near-fatal toxic withdrawal reaction. As is typical, the psychs mis-diagnosed the drug withdrawal as so-called “mental illness”.
This is yet another example of why I proclaim the TRUTH. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drugs racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neurotoxins. Psychiatry and its’ poison pills have done, and continue to do, far more harm than good. Only with more than 2 decades of recovery can I be so sure of what I know to be true. Most of the more severe “symptoms” I experienced occurred AFTER I was put on psych drugs in High School. And in the 2+ decades that I’ve been psychiatry and drug free, my so-called “symptoms” have almost completely disappeared. Gee, Doc, what happened to my (supposed) “mental illness”? The longer I avoid psychiatry and its’ poison pills, the more whole, healthy, and happy I become.
It’s so sad. Folks I met 30 years ago in the loony bin, are now shuffling, shaking, drooling, and totally dysfunctional. Long-term use of “AP”‘s, with very few exceptions, (there MUST be SOME….), ALWAYS results in worse outcomes….
When will you people learn?
To echo and expand upon what Mr. McCrae says above:
I was involved in a case where a mildly disabled single mother, and her mildly disabled daughter were victims of the local “mental health system”. Mom’s payee for her Social Security Disability checks, – an employee of a local 501(c)3 “agency”, – was stealing money and doing other nefarious activities(crimes). In a very blatantly illegal Court hearing, with an incompetent, crooked and corrupt judge, the kid was taken away from her home on a bogus “neglect petition”. The following week, her mother was illegally evicted from her HUD-subsidized housing, into homelessness. The little girl was bounced around in foster care, put in State-run “children’s homes”, sent to the State Mental Hospital, and put on Seroquil for “behavior control”.
The “system” is incompetent, crooked, and corrupt. I watched it happen, and was rendered powerless to help.
Thinking about this case alone, is very painful. And it’s one of many.
The SAD REALITY, which was only hinted at, in the article above, is that there are too many SICK and TWISTED persons working in a BROKEN “child advocacy system”. TOO MANY ignorant, evil “do-gooders”.
Yes, EVIL. What I saw done to that woman and her daughter has no better description than EVIL. And it was all legal….technically, anyway….
The first time I was forced-incarcerated to the State Loony Bin was because of WAY too many drugs, including LSD, alcohol, and “antipsychotics”, -(Thorazine, Stellazine, Haldol, Mellaril, Navane, Cogentin, etc.). I actually improved greatly when I learned the trick of not taking the drugs the staff was giving me, but still making them *think* that I was taking the drugs. So, when I was released, they thought I had “improved” *because* of the drugs, and not in spite of them, as was the case. So, without being aware of the implications of what I had done, I gave a false view of the drugs’ efficacy to the system.
The second time I was forced-incarcerated, it was in the forensic unit of the State prison. That was because I had abruptly stopped taking “Triavil”, ( a combination of Trilafon & Elavil), and experienced a very near-fatal toxic withdrawal reaction.
The 3rd time, I was only in the local hospital’s “mental health unit” for a couple of weeks. I had been given Trazodone by the local “community mental health center”, and they failed to do a blood level check. So I went toxic on the drug, when it built up in my system. I only found out later that a “history of alcoholism” is one of the risk factors requiring more careful drug monitoring.
So the greed, ignorance, and incompetence of the “Mental-Illness-Industrial-Complex” has almost killed me, and I’m only one of the majority of persons who has experienced the “more harm than good” nature of both so-called “anti-psychotics”, and “Mental Health, America, Inc.”
Anybody who finds themselves in the unfortunate situation of being given “anti-psychotics” should not stop taking them abruptly, but should taper down.
Best not to “treat” with the pseudoscience lies of the drug racket and means of social control known as “psychiatry” in the first place! If I knew then what I know now, I would never have taken those poison pills in the first place. So-called “anti-psychotics” usually end up causing the very “psychosis”: they’re supposed to treat. Psychiatry itself, is organized “mental illness”!
So-called “capitalism” is an economic system. So-called “socialism” is a political system. Neither can exist without the other. They both require each other.
But I prefer the words of Bob Marley, from the song, “Get Up, Stand Up(for your rights”:
I’M SICK AND TIRED OF YOUR ISM SCHISMS!
And I’m sick and tired of the pseudoscience drug racket known as “psychiatry”.
Richard, I agree 100% that so-called “capitalism” *ALLOWS* the gross excesses you describe, but I DISagree 100% that capitalism *REQUIRES* these excesses. I say, the excesses of capitalism arise from human nature and greed, and are NOT a requisite feature of capitalism. Making money is not inherently bad or good, and neither is capitalism.
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I’m replying to your reply to Eric Coates, above. I had to re-read his comment, and yours, to make sure I understand the mis-communication. I think it’s you, Jeannie, who is mis-understanding Eric, and not the other way around. First, Eric is saying that your hearing voices is not your choice. You did not freely choose to hear voices, it just sorta’ started happening one day. Second, Eric is saying that hearing voices is not a “right” in the sense of rights granted by the Bill of Rights under the U.S. Constitution, or any other “foundational legal document”. I don’t think he’s saying that you DO NOT have a right to hear voices. I think he’s merely saying that there is no legally acknowledged and codified LEGAL right to hear voices. I’m guessing that Eric probably personally would support your right to hear voices. He’s just saying that the right is not codified into law.
(Once, when I was in jail, a nurse asked me if I “hear voices”. I calmly looked at her, and simply said, “No, I see voices and hear colors. I have synesthesia.” I wish you coulda’ seen the look on her face! LOL)
For the record, as far as I’m concerned, yes, you have every right to hear voices. Why not? They’re your voices. If YOU don’t have a right to hear them, then who does?
In your writing above, you use the phrase, “mental health care system”. That’s a dangerous and deceptive misnomer. It’s far more accurate to call it the “Mental Illness Industrial Complex”. The “MIIC” actually creates so-called “mental illness” by the DSM-5, wherein ALL the bogus “diagnoses” were INVENTED, not “discovered”.
If so-called “mental illnesses” were in fact any more “real” than presents from Santa Claus, then they would have been “discovered”. Something exists *before* it is discovered, but nothing exists before it is *invented*. And looking at the DSM-5, it’s clear that ALL the bogus “diagnoses” in it were invented, not discovered. That’s because psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry, and the Mental Illness Industrial Complex, have done, and continue to do, far more harm than good. The more psych drugs we have, and the more so-called “mental health care” we have, the more the suicide rate increases.
As regards David Foster Wallace, there are ONLY 2 possibilities, ONLY ONE of which can be true. (OK, technically, they *could* *both* be true, but it is impossible that they are BOTH false….)
1. D.F.W. died *in spite* of drugs, Electro-Cution Torture(“ECT”), & etc.,……
2. D.F.W. died BECAUSE of drugs, electrocution torture, and the Mental Illness Industrial Complex….
I think #2. What do YOU think, Vanessa?________________________________?
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. The DSM is a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the bogus “diagnoses” in it were invented, not discovered. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as real as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real.
And I think it’s sad, that only a few of these first comments say anything about Dr. Ben Furman. Judging from what he’s written here, I’d say Dr. Furman is one of the “exceptions which prove the rule.”…. Thank-you, Dr. Furman.
It’s “littleturtle”, with no caps, & no spaces. Not “LittleTurtle”, or “Little Turtle”.
Can’t you people pay attention?
I originally clicked “reply”, about 20 – 25 comments above,
but somehow my comment ended up down here!….
Hey, littleturtle has over 370 comments. I always look forward to them, even tho littleturtle and I don’t agree
on some things. littleturtle still has a valuable voice, and point of view.
And I agree with what Steve McCrae says:
littleturtle and their psychiatrist seem to be exceptions which prove the rule…..
No such thing as “DSM-V”. It’s DSM-5. The APA did away with the Roman numerals. Details matter.
BTW, the DSM is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. ALL the bogus “diagnoses” in it were INVENTED, not “discovered”. *IF* so-called “mental illnesses” were “real”, then they would have been discovered. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as real as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real….
@PatH_America: 09/11/2018, clicked link, “VIDEO UNAVAILABLE”….
God BLESS you, Michael Hengartner! Your excellent research analysis only confirms what I’ve been saying for years! With only statistically insignificant exceptions, long-term use of psychiatric drugs results in worse outcomes. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good.
Although Mr. Hengartner will probably not come out publicly and agree with what I’m saying here, I bet he’s beginning to see the light!…. Psych drugs kill, at worst, and do little if anything good long-term, at best…. That’s a very poor risk-to-reward ratio!
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. The average American either doesn’t know what the difference between psychiatry and psychology is, or else doesn’t even know there is a difference. The DSM is in fact nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the so-called “diagnoses” in it are bogus, and they were all invented, but not discovered. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as real as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. When psychs label people with their bogus and sham “diagnoses”, they are perpetuating stigma, and playing the “blame the victim” game. All so-called “mental illnesses” are in fact STD’s, – they are “socially transmitted disorders.” Psychs set themselves up as “MD’s”, and think that means “Medical Deity”. Psychiatry and its’ poison pills has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. That’s because psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control…..
This is a DIRECT reply to the comment from Mickey Weinberg, on 08/19, 5:21pm.
Although I clicked on the “log in to leave a comment” button *directly* under his comment, the screwed up MiA webpage is putting my comment out-of-context, *down* *here*….
My reply to Mr. Weinberg is the same as what I’ve said in the past, by email, to Mr. Ruby. I have no interest in “ISEPP”. I see it as a bogus waste of time. First, it conflates psychology and psychiatry. Most people don’t know the difference, and don’t really know what *either* “profession” is. The fact that BOTH professional organizations are the “A.P.A.” also just causes confusion and misunderstanding. I think psychology should have long ago differentiated itself from psychiatry. Psychology has *some* validity, but psychiatry has NONE. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. So while Mr. Ruby & Co. might be the exceptions which prove the rule, that’s little comfort. And the ISEPP name itself is misleading and fraudulent. It’s as if there could be some sort of “ethical psychiatry”. There isn’t, because there can’t be. Psychiatry is an inherently UNETHICAL DRUG RACKET. Br. Breggin is yet another “exception who proves the rule.” So, while I can support the efforts of ISEPP, UP TO A POINT, I really don’t want to waste my time on something that is so fatally flawed, conceptually, from the get-go.
Yes, while I was on Zoloft, I found myself having vague thoughts around the general subject of suicide. I was not at all suicidal, but it was just a waste of time to think about suicide. I believe that the drug caused the “suicidal thoughts” I was having. They stopped when I went off the DRUG.
Psychiatry is inherently unethical. Why can’t you people see that?
My own painfully-learned motto:
“Bad help is worse than no help at all”
Look carefully at Tania Singer’s photo. She uses the same hand gestures that Trump does!
And, she has no children of her own, does she?
Whether it’s fair or not, I don’t care. But it is my opinion that she is most probably very verbally and emotionally abusive behind closed doors.
In public, she and her lawyer will only ever deny the most credible charges.
But she’s probably not homicidal, so that’s some good thing, at least….
Yes, I’d say Tania Singer is a bully, which is what the article is saying, too….
The title of this article is pure click-bait, for me! That such a thing as “child psychiatry” even exists, is proof to me just how sick, twisted, and depraved our society truly is. There’s serious discussion among quack psychiatrists, – there’s really no other kind of psychiatrist, – as to the possibility of “diagnosing” and “treating”, with neurotoxic drugs, so-called “mental illnesses” *IN* *THE* *WOMB*! Think about that….
But Sadie Cathcart, I have to call you out on something. You seem to be using “psychologist”, and “psychiatrist” as if they are the exact same thing, and/or are interchangeable. I think that’s sloppy writing, and intellectually dishonest. When the subject comes up, as often as I can, I ask people if they know the difference between “psychologist” and “psychiatrist”. Most are puzzled, and don’t even know there *IS* a difference! Much less what that crucial difference is! You need to understand, Sadie, that this level of ignorance and confusion in the public mind has been deliberately created by the “Mental-Illness-Industrial-Complex”. BOTH “branches”, or “practices”, draw credibility from being associated with the other. And psychiatrists especially can hardly be honest with the public about their neuro-toxins. The gross over-drugging of school children is facilitated by psychologists, but implemented by coercion and action of psychiatrists. Mass-casualty school shootings are only one more effect of mass psychiatric drugging of school children. Please, Sadie, carefully re-read your article above. I think you confuse psychiatry and psychology. Please DON’T.
The DSM is in fact a CATALOG of BILLING CODES. ALL of the so-called “diagnoses” in it are bogus, and they are all INVENTED, or created, not “discovered”.
(If so-called “mental illnesses” were in fact real, they would have been discovered, not invented or created, as is actually the case.)
The DSM contains so many diagnostic codes primarily to sell the wide variety of DRUGS PhRMA manufactures. Many different drugs are given for the same diagnosis, and any given drug is used for a wide variety of different diagnoses. This is the PROOF that psychiatry is in fact a DRUG RACKET, and pseudoscience. If psych drugs were in fact true “medicines”, there would be something much closer to a 1- to – 1 correspondence. That is, “this drug for this diagnosis, that drug for that….” But it’s all a SCAM, to $ELL DRUG$, act as agents of social control, and maintain the guild power of psychiatry. Psychiatry and psych drugs actually *CAUSE* much of the distress they claim to be treating!
That’s why psychs usually tell “patients” they will “need the drugs for life.”
That’s not medicine. That’s a drug racket.
Remember, the DSM is in fact a CATALOG of BILLING CODES…..
And ALL of the so-called “diagnoses” in it were INVENTED.
NONE of them were “discovered”….
**THINK** about that….
No, Chaya, “littleturtle’s” comment is NOT spam. Look at the full comment history.
Yes, it often takes some work, but “littleturtle’s” comments ALWAYS make sense, and express LT’s unique point of view. I value the comments of “littleturtle”.
I find YOUR suggestion that LT wrote “spam” to be judgemental, and offensive.
I think you owe LT an apology….
So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus. But NOT more real….
All so-called “mental illnesses” are social constructs.
Here’s some TRUTH about “recovering/recovered” as A.A. puts it:
On the title page of the “Big Book”, as it’s called, titled “Alcoholics Anonymous”, it says: “The story of how many thousands HAVE RECOVERED from alcoholism”(emphasis added). The founder of AA spoke of becoming “recovered”, simply meaning that he’d found a way to live sober, one day at a time. And, A.A. does NOT say that “alcoholism is a disease”, but rather that it is LIKE a disease, and it works better to treat alcoholism LIKE a disease. The other co-founder of A.A., “Dr. Bob”, on his deathbed, said, “Let’s not louse this thing up”. He meant that there was a danger of “medical professionals” twisting the A.A. recovery program into something it’s not. Sadly, that’s exactly what’s happened. PhRMA, drugs, and MONEY and POWER and CONTROL have all warped the recovery message.
How long does one have to live in recovery, before one becomes recovered?
09/02/2018 Followed link. Youtube says the page does not exist!….
….the name is “catloveroregon”, NOT “Cat Lover Oregon”! Please don’t be condescending….
Remember, the DSM-5 is nothing more than a CATALOG of BILLING CODES. ALL of the so-called “diagnoses” in it were INVENTED, not “discovered”. Think about it, there IS a difference between “invented” and “discovered”.
That sacred “diagnosis” is necessary to bill insurance, and to prescribe DRUGS. (oops, sorry, “meds”….) Both insurance billing, and drug prescribing are all about MONEY, and POWER. We talk about “diagnoses” as if they have real, actual, objective existence. But they do NOT. Any “diagnosis” is only a subjective set of ideas and concepts in our minds. ERGO, the whole “problem” of “over-diagnosis” is a chimera. As regards so-called “mental illnesses”, the problem is not “over-diagnosis”. It’s that such bogus concepts exist in the first place, and that we still use them as if they are “real”.
OMG! FAKE NEWS ALERT! People who eat unhealthy diets are less likely to be healthy! Naw, that can’t be true….
“Prescribed exercise” is almost as ludicrous and oxymoronic as “forced voluntary”. And that “30 mins. 3x week” is LAME…. EVERYBODY should walk, swim, bicycle, yoga, etc., whatever, EVERYDAY, for a MINIMUM of 30 – 60 minutes. To start. That Psychs EVER advised against “exercise” only further proves that psychs are quacks. And no, you don’t need to pump iron, or run marathons, or do “vigorous” exercise. Walk 1/2 an hour, then turn around and walk back. Hey, if your life isn’t worth ONE hour out of 24, maybe we’d all be better off without you?….. OOOOH! Strong language alert! Relax, kids, that’s called a “rhetorical question”. Google it.
Thanks, Laren. I never traveled as much as you, but our stories are the same in the essential points. The fact that so-called “mental patients” die as much as 30+ years sooner than they should, is in fact an intended feature, seen from the perspective of the Mental-Illness-Industrial-Complex. Given the rate at which drug-naive young persons are recruited, the quack shrinks who are the whores of PhRMA, are glad to make extra room by folks dying young. I can’t stress strongly enough, – These people are EVIL. They are NOT like you and I. They have chosen the DARK SIDE. That’s a tough pill to swallow, -irony & sarcasm intended! If what I’m saying were NOT true, then the system wouldn’t be so much worse, as it has become.
Yoga is excellent as treatment/therapy, because it gently stimulates the body’s natural healing capabilities. Psych drugs do more harm than good. They only *SEEM* to work, sometimes, in the short term. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. God help us all. Welcome to MiA, Laren!
Erin, we’re largely in agreement about a lot of what’s wrong in the “Mental-Illness-Industrial-Complex” these days. MY problem with, and argument with, the term “anti-psychiatry”, is very simple. It gives psychiatry more credit than it deserves. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more HARM than good. Yes, of course, there *are* *some* good, kind, compassionate, competent psychs. But they’re the minority, and their existence sadly doesn’t negate the damage they do.
Also, psych drugs are far less effective, far less safe, and far less necessary that PhRMA wants you to believe. So, while I am in major agreement with you, at the same time, I think you’re doing little, if anything to correct the gross errors and harms which are psychiatry’s stock-in-trade. Given your CV, you of all people should know what I mean when I say, “I will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do.” Psychiatrists are liars, cheats, and thieves. You do the math…. RSVP?
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
ps: My words come from painful, lived experience. Psychiatry and psych drugs ruined what could and should have been the best years of my life. I’m now well over 20 years psych and drug free. If I knew *then*, what I know NOW, I never would have engaged in the DANCE with DEATH which psychiatry is….
You might have had more success with a TRICYCLE anti-depressant!
(I prefer my bicycle, but whatever works for you! I’ve even seen some people riding a UNIcycle!….)….
note: I DO know what you imipramine….
First, Eric, it’s not at all clear where, and for what publication, you were an editor. That makes it harder for me to understand what you’re saying about whatever vague “submissions” you worked with, and who might have written them, and why…. But the TRUTH, – rarely acknowledged by either psychiatrists or the Mental Illness Industrial Complex, is that BEING HEARD is perhaps the largest unmet need for us all. All of those submissions were from people who wanted to be heard, probably because the system wasn’t listening to them.
And, much of what gets mis-diagnosed as so-called “mental illness”, is usually illogical and irrational. Being illogical and irrational shouldn’t be the problem we too often see it as. But. logically, the irrational and illogical can’t be understood logically and rationally. The illogical and irrational can ONLY be understood illogically and irrationally. But we are not taught to think illogically and irrationally. Therefore, we are taught to FEAR that which is illogical and irrational. Children have a natural ability to think illogically and irrationally, but we beat it out of them as they grow older. We lose that ability to be comfortable with the illogical and irrational.
You describe that cigar box lid with the “refrigerator magnet” POETRY, and Ann, as having become joined in your mind. You’re trying to understand. But the cigar box lid seems to have disappeared, and so too did Ann
“disappear”. Maybe, there really isn’t ANY “meaning”, – in the logical. rational sense. Maybe the meaning is only in understanding illogically and irrationally. That’s the realm of FEELINGS, which are, again, largely illogical and irrational.
And, we are FREE to imagine whatever MEANING makes us most comfortable.
Ron, I’d like to see you state categorically the TRUTH: The DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes, and that ALL of the so-called “diagnoses” in it were INVENTED, not “discovered”….
Think about it…. What say you, Ron?
I find it almost literally incredible, that in the past 2 months, there have been NO comments here….
Remember, too, that there are NO CITIZENS in the U.K….. They are ALL SUBJECTS of the CROWN.
I guess it’s called a “socialist monarchy”….
So-called “mental illness” is either something that ALL of us have, or else NONE of us have it….
I don’t think I even need to read the article to know what my criticism is. “Alcoholics Anonymous”, starting in the 1930’s, was key to publicizing the DISEASE CONCEPT of alcoholism. A.A. NEVER said, explicitly, “alcoholism is a disease”. One of the co-founders of A.A., on his deathbed, said to the other, “Let’s not louse this thing up.” He meant, “avoid professionalism”. Calling it “Alcohol Use Disorder” is merely professional name-calling, and still constitutes STIGMA. It’s bogus. I’d suggest that anybody seriously interested in alcoholism needs to read the original AA-approved literature, for a better understanding. Going to a few, or even many, A.A. meetings, is NOT sufficient. Working the 12 Steps is the heart & soul of A.A. recovery. Sadly, even many alcoholics either will not, or can not, completely give themselves to A.A.’s simple program. And I’ve met damn few “professionals” who even begin to have a clue, either. I don’t care if you DO have a Ph.D. You either know, or you don’t. And most don’t, although they *think* that they do….
Ah, the arrogance of over-educated ignorance….
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
I think that I understand what you’re saying, and I’m in general agreement with you. But I do want to expand on something you said. You said, “It’s just so painful to look at ourselves…”… Well, yeah, I see the truth in that, but can you see how that’s also the problem? We keep perpetuating the idea that honest and thorough self-examination is somehow “painful”, and “difficult”. It may in fact be, and often is. But it doesn’t *HAVE* *TO* be that way. I’ve lived by a quote I learned in A.A. meetings: “You’re only as sick as the secrets you keep.” The idea is that a *willingness* to talk about whatever needs to be talked about, goes a long, long way towards health and healing. No, that doesn’t mean we need to always be blabbing everything to everybody. It means having both ACCEPTANCE of our own painful experiences, and others. And it means a WILLINGNESS to confront and work through them. We can do it ourselves, with friends, or with professionals of various kinds. This process is also like the Mahayana Buddhist concepts of “attachments’, and freeing ourselves from the bonds of these attachments. If I had stayed with psychiatry and psych drugs and the so-called “mental health system”, I’d probably be dead by now. It was lots of A.A. meetings, working the 12 Steps, The Dalai Lama’s Buddhism, and a couple of excellent clinical psychologists which really saved me. But none of it would have worked without my own acceptance of myself as I was, and willingness to work for something and someone better. A better future me. My life still pretty much sucks, but I’m a happy man anyway!
Based mostly upon my direct experience of it, I have *NO* *FAITH* in America’s incompetent, crooked, and corrupt legal system. I KNOW how broken it is. I would actually have MORE faith in it, if it were to seriously address wrongful convictions….
It might seem counter-intuitive, and it is, but some of the most “loving” (seemingly) homes and families do the most damage to children. These families create the APPEARANCE of being kind, normal, loving, nurturing, etc.
Everything LOOKS good on the outside, and to the public. Plenty of food, clean clothes, toys, etc., But it’s all a charade, an act, a play. Behind closed doors, the relationships within the family are TOXIC. And who are the VICTIMS? The children. These are the kids most likely to get a bogus psych “diagnosis”, and DRUGS….
Their parents usually have plenty of $$$, and INSURANCE!….
What a scam psychiatry in particular, and medicine and PhRMA in general, have become.
Money, power, control, and greed…. Oh yeah, the ignorance of propaganda, too….
Eric, Eric, Eric. It’s so simple, really. But we humans, especially the better-educated, and the more intelligent of us, always seem to want to complicate things. What we call “psychosis”/”psychotic” is a state of mind that is not rational or logical. So, being “not rational or logical”, we can say it’s “illogical”, and “irrational”. With me so far? Good. Now, how do we UNDERSTAND these illogical and irrational states? Well, we can *TRY* to understand them logically and rationally, but we will inevitably fail to understand them logically and rationally, because these states of mind *themselves* are illogical and irrational, remember? So our only hope of understanding them is to understand them illogically and irrationally. But we can’t do that, because we’re not “mad”, or “mental” or “demented”, or whatever. It is only when we begin to understand that so-called “psychosis” can only be understood illogically and irrationally, that we begin to make progress. Trouble is, all those quack shrinks, and cops, and court staff, and agency workers, are mental simpletons. They are ONLY capable of thinking and understaning in ways that THEY consider “logical” and “rational”, and “psychosis” doesn’t fit in those categories. Ultimately, some experiences just don’t make sense. At least not completely. And we ALL need to learn that, and accept that. That’s only logical, and rational. Screw “AOT”!
So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT more REAL. So-called “mental illnesses” have no objective reality, – they ONLY have subjective reality. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. The DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the bogus “diagnostic” allegations in the DSM-5 were INVENTED, – not “discovered”, – to serve as EXCUSES to $ELL DRUG$. Real people can have real problems, but imaginary, totally subjective “mental illnesses” shouldn’t be part of that. Speaking of suicide and psych drugs, we can NEVER know exactly what role psych drugs did, or did not play in MOST suicides. Not even Harvard Medical School (just for an example), has access to the data needed to study the role of psych drugs in suicide. If psychiatry were truly a REAL SCIENCE, and not a fraudulent scam of a pseudoscience, data on psych drugs would be painstakingly compiled and studied. But look at the “medical system”, – they do NOT want accurate data on psych drugs and suicide. Sure, you can say “correlation is not causation” until you’re blue in the face, but the evidence is vast and compelling. PSYCH DRUGS KILL, either acutely, through suicide or homicide, or else chronically by life-spans shortened by as much as 20 or 30 years or more…. There’s another factor which doesn’t get near as much exposure and consideration as it should, and would, *IF* psychiatry was anything other than a fraud drug racket: Why has there been NO organized clinical research on who should, or should not, be given psych drugs. I have never heard any psychiatrist or researcher say what would happen to a “non-mentally ill” person who took psych drugs for an extended period of time. Wouldn’t they become more mentally healthy than normal? Why not?…. etc.,…._____________________________________
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. And Dr. Kelly Brogan, MD, is one of the rare exceptions which prove the rule. Even she admits that she no longer believes what she was taught in medical school, – that psych drugs “fix” something, and need to be taken for “LIFE”. “Taken for life” is a LIE that was invented solely to $ELL DRUG$. My own personal journey from life-long psych sickness to whole healthy happiness includes read Dr. Peter Breggin’s “Toxic Psychiatry” in the early 1990’s. What Dr. Brogan says here has been confirmed in my life, and many others, too. “Third Path Psychiatry” is a darn sight more hopeful, human, and HEALING alternative than anything the American Psychiatric Association has to offer! KEEP UP the GOOD WORK, Kelly!
Oh, I don’t know. Seems 2 B *PLENTY* of room for *LOTS* of yada,yada,yada,blah,blah,blah, about delusional “left/right” politics, so called “capitalism”, “socialism”, etc…. To quote Bob Marley, “I’m sick and tired of your ISM SCHISM…..”….
WHAT CAN BE DONE:
1.No new A.P.A. memberships. As older members die, the A.P.A. does too.
2.No DSM-6. Ever.
Faulty logic. Yes, “labeling and drugging is at levels never seen before”, but that does STILL NOT mean that so-called “capitalism” REQUIRES it.
No, it’s not I who have “turned reality upside down”. Maybe it’s YOU who is standing on your head? At least your eyes are open. Major corporations are dropping advertisers, in reaction to public outcry, over things like the recent Laura Ingraham/David Media-Hogg bruhaha. Several companies have pulled funding related to the NRA, etc., Of course, the basic bedrock of Wall St. remains largely unaffected. But social, political, economic, and other types of change are *PROCESSES* over time, not instant events. It’s easy for the radicals to imagine abrupt, extreme change, but reality rarely works that way. Nature is EVOLUTION, not “revolution”. And, the “GREG B.’s”, the Global Ruling Elites and Global Banksters are well underway to eliminating literally BILLIONS of people. Don’t you know about Bill Gates, the Global Depopulation Agenda, U.N. Agenda 21 & 30, the Georgia Guidestones, etc., etc.,…????….
As for “evidence”, it’s right here on MiA. There IS a “shortage” of psychiatrists, especially child psychiatrists. (The ideal number of psychiatrists is ZERO, so saying “shortage” is either sarcastic or facetious.) Nevertheless, as more people learn about the stupidity of psychiatry, and the excesses of PhRMA, fewer people are going in to Medical School to become psychiatrists. Look on >youtube< for psychiatry career videos. The comments are as much as 90 – 95 to 1 ANTI-psychiatry. Psychiatry is MUCH LESS respected in the minds of the general population, that the lame-stream media will ever admit. But you're free to imagine that psychiatry is in fact more powerful and pervasive than it is. I just think that's a defeatist mindset. And hardly worthy of a true warrior. Only nobody can defeat an invincible foe.
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It's 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. Why conceive of, and conceptualize it as immortal and omnipotent? I say psychiatry is weakening and dying.
I'm calling for NO NEW A.P.A. memberships, and NO DSM-6…. Wanna CALL with me?
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
Yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah. Psychobabble and gobbledygook waving a hammer-and-sickle flag. *YAWN*. Can you guess I have a DISSENTING opinion, Richard?
First, “capitalism” certainly *allows*, even “facilitates” the authoritarian excesses you decry. But it does NOT *require* them. I believe that capitalism is slowly becoming more humanized, even as it becomes more un-equal. Remember, capitalism is an ECONOMIC system, not a political one. As to the “exponential” growth of psychiatry’s “power”, I’d say that’s your own confirmation bias talking, Richard. Or have you not noticed that there has been effectively NO COMMENT from psychiatry these past few weeks, after the latest Florida mass-casualty school shooting? And NO mention of psych drugs. The shooters medical records have been sealed. If psychiatry had the power you delusionally believe it to have, why are the psychs biting their tongues so hard? There are “shortages” of psychiatrists. How can that be, if psychiatry is as powerful as you claim. You’re free to believe that psychiatry and capitalism are “inextricably linked”, but that only YOUR OPINION. It’s not a *FACT*. I can easily see capitalism jettisoning the dead weight of psychiatry. And soon. Your attitude and beliefs are too negative, and defeatist. You give psychiatry more power than I believe it deserves. You seem to justify your beliefs based on your decades of radicalism. Well, Richard, I say minds, diapers, politicians, and beliefs should be changed often, and for the SAME REASON!…. Relax. I’m NOT following you. I’d rather see victory. To you, the end of psychiatry is the vision of a distant future. To me, psychiatry is eroding day by day. I really like you, Richard, but I still think you’re just a tired old crank stuck in the 1960’s. Never hurts to have a few of those around. Remember, Richard, I’m one of psychiatry’s surviving victims. It’s been over 20 years, but I still remember the special hell of psych drugs. I’m glad you don’t. I’m disappointed, though, that you don’t even call for the closing of the APA to new members, or for them to issue a firm “NO DSM-6” statement. Oh yeah, those are MY ideas…. See what I mean? You spout alarmist clap-trap, and I posit actual possibilities…. Maybe you should toke a doobie or something, before you reply….
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
March 29, 2018, I clicked the link to the youtube video. NOTHING! There is ONLY the black video rectangle, with a big exclamation mark in it. Not even the basic youtube *page*!…. Weird CENSORSHIP!….
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. I’ve heard of Dr. Kelly Brogan for several years now. She’s an exception which proves the rule. I can also recommend her book, “A Mind of Your Own”. KEEP UP the GOOD WORK, Kelly!
Generally, I think this is a pretty good idea. I can support it. My comment would be to plan a re-write of the questions next year. Give the current set of questions a year, and as many people as you can get to use them, and see what’s what next year. I suspect there will be BIG changes in the next year.
And GOOD LUCK with the whole endeavor!
I’d also be interested in hearing how this international, UN-based action can be used to put pressure on domestic U.S. practices. What response, if any, has the American Psychiatric Ass’n given….????….
Forced drugging, forced Electro-Cution Torture (“ECT”), and armed kidnapping of so-called “mental patients” is still going on right now….
It’s been almost 2 years now, – I wonder how Garth Daniels is doing….????….
Wrong. Astrology has several thousand years history behind it.
Psychiatry is 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins.
Astrology has far more credibility that psychiatry can EVER have!
Psychiatry DOES call its' DRUGS "medicines", and "meds", but that's about all
it has in common with actual Medicine.
Remember, Phil, the DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the so-called “diagnoses” in it were invented, and NONE were “discovered”.
Do you see what I did there, with the distinction between “discovered” and “invented”?
And BTW, that HDRS is a 100% subjective reporting form for subjective responses as related by anecdote. In other words, the HDRS *itself* is arbitrary and subjective. So, they’re using an arbitrary and subjective scale to measure *something*, – what people SAY, about how they FEEL. There’s no room in the HDRS for ANY medical, lab, blood tests, etc., See what I mean? You can word it better than I can….
I hope you’ve heard the term “empath”, and done at least *some* reading on it.
I suspect many, if not *MOST* psych victims are in fact empaths.
Thanks, Sera! At “Suicide.org”, I went to the link list on the left side, and read a number of the links, such as “schizophrenia & suicide”, “LGBTQ & suicide”, etc.,
There’s a memorial page, and that’s maybe where I saw the “suicides become angels” line. Hey, for all *I* know, suicides *DO* become angels. I’m not Roman Catholic, but my understanding is that suicide precludes going to Heaven. For all the material on “Suicide.org”, it’s funny how it ALL seems written by that Caruso guy. There’s little, if anything, written by anybody else. Given the many names he *claims* to have on his team, I’d expect more writings by others. It looks like a one-man show, and is very creepy. I wonder how many suicidal people have been “pushed over the edge” by the website? I’d hate to stumble across it if I were truly suicidal! And the actual suicide rate *after* forced/involuntary treatment should say more to the system than it does. I can easily see a person committing suicide to avoid ANOTHER forced incarceration/”hospitalization”.
KEEP UP the GOOD WORK!
Every time I read an article like this, it only confirms what I already KNOW! Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. Years ago, now, I was working very closely with an excellent licensed clinical psychologist, and a general practitioner/family doctor. For over a year each, I tried “Wellbutrin”, and “Zoloft”. As far as I’m concerned, they were both a waste of time & money. My psychologist said he, “thought they might have helped somewhat”, but he couldn’t be sure! The other psych drugs I’d been given earlier definitely did me far more harm than good! The longer I stay away from psychiatry and psych drugs, the more whole, healthy, and happy I become! Gee, Doc, what happened to my “mental illness”….????….
For extra credit points, try to find even *ONE* mass-casualty school shooter who was documented to NOT be on psych drugs, especially antidepressants…. Go ahead, I dare you!….
This article on “The Conversation” isn’t bad. It’s kinda’ short, so be sure to read ALL the comments, to get your time’s worth!
Well, I went to that “Suicide.org” BLACK HOLE. You’re correct, Sera, it’s a *BLACK* *HOLE*…. What a load of schmaltzy, smarmy clap-trap! Pseudoscientific gobbledygook and psychobabble. Gee, I didn’t know that anybody who commits suicide becomes an *ANGEL*! They don’t actually say “angel in Heaven”, as far as I can see, but I guess that’s what they’re implying. Repeatedly I see the mantra of “get help”, and “get treatment”. But, funny thing, I see NO detailed discussion of exactly what that “help” and “treatment” actually *IS*! (Well all know it’s neuro-toxic drugs, and sitting and talking with “clinicians”, and being dragged off in handcuffs by cops if you’re unlucky enough to get that “help” and “treatment” BY FORCE, um, I mean “involuntarily”.)
I had a good friend die by suicide last year, and it was very unexpected, to me, anyway. It was a shock to the community. The person was VERY well known locally, and there was a very large group of people at the funeral service. But the local paper refused to use the “S” word. The State, and local “authorities” refused to use the “S” word. Even months later, “died by their own hand”, or some such nonsense, was all they would say. But I cried, and grieved, just as much as if it had been a car crash.
What I saw, after my friend’s suicide, was a VERY SICK COMMUNITY, that does NOT want to talk seriously about *ANYTHING*. Denial, avoidance, silence, shame, **STIGMA**. That’s what creates suicide, and perpetuates it. And that shame and stigma is keeping the pseudoscience drug racket of psychiatry going, too. If it wasn’t for psychiatry and it’s DRUGS, we’d have a much healthier society. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. I’ve had both a psychiatrist, and a psychologist, both of whom I worked with personally, later commit suicide. Ironic. Toxic irony. That’s psychiatry and the mental health system for you!….
Craig, I’ll pick up that metaphor right where you dropped it! (First, it’s a given that psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. the DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. All of the bogus diagnostic allegations in it were invented to serve as excuses to sell drugs, and bill insurance & the Gov’t, i.e., Medicaid & Medicare)
So given that “clean slate”, we wouldn’t build ANYTHING on it! We’d leave psychiatry, *AND* the so-called “mental health system”, right there on the scrap-heap of history, where they BELONG! Most so-called “mental illness” is largely built on dysfuctional parenting, and ACE’s, combined with a generally sick society. (That’s NOT to “blame parents”, they themselves were raised by parents who were raised by abusive, dysfunctional parents, etc., We can break the cycle at any point in time. Why NOT NOW?) The system as it exists today, exists largely to cover up physical and sexual abuse, and “blame the victims”, and to serve as a means of both social control, and employment. The so-called “mental health system” serves post-industrial fascist capitalism in a couple of ways. It puts excess workers on “disability”, which makes them more dependent on Gov’t, which thus makes a large, powerful Gov’t at least *seem* more necessary. It provides employment to those who would otherwise have supervisory, or administrative jobs in factories which either no longer exist, because they’ve been outsourced overseas, or become obsolete through automation. This dynamic also explains the complex, convoluted, wasteful billing process, which is deliberately Byzantine, and the fact that there are 2 paper-pushers doing “billing” for each hands-on medical person, i.e., Dr., or Nurse, etc. And of course, there’s the DRUG RACKET aspect of the so-called “mental health system”.
All of these factors COULD BE addressed, in the absence of psychiatry, simply by building entirely new social structures, where the Gov’t, and Insurance pay people to simply DO things TOGETHER!
Sorry, Craig, but NO!, we do NOT need to “replace” psychiatry. We need to KILL IT OUTRIGHT. DEAD.
After all, it’s *human*, it’s gonna die someday, anyway.
(And, above, that “good diet, sound sleep, mindfulness, nutrient, etc.,…is MUCH harder in the current paradigm than it needs to be. That’s why the current system gets such poor results. Duh.)
It’s NOT a “healthcare maintenance system” we have now, it’s a SICKNESS CREATION system….(Duh x2)…
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
In defense of Tom Strong:
I think you’re basically a “good guy”, who means well, and wants to help people. But that’s not enough, Tom. Especially not if you’re gonna write here at MiA. As good a person as you are, I think you’re also self-deluded as to the “Nature of the Beast” within which you work. There *WERE*, after all, Nazi concentration camp guards who had wives, children, and pets. I’m sure there were at least a few guards who enjoyed petting the family cat, playing with the family dog, and watching the children laugh and play. Of course, all that good stuff happened when they were off-duty from guarding Jews in the death camps. So when you come here to MiA, you’re not talking about *US*. You’re talking about YOU. Sure, you love your patient “pets”, and client “children”, but you’re part of an EVIL, FASCIST system that has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. Yes, I’ll say it as explicitly as I can.
“Psychiatry and the mental health system are as evil as Nazis and Fascists.”
If it were possible to *FORCE* psychiatry to answer the question below, what do you suppose they’d say?
“If what the psychs say is true, that psychs & psych drugs “help” people, then how does psychiatry explain the fact that the more psychiatry we have, the more so-called “mental illness” we have?”
I know I’m really not so clever by asking these questions.
Psychiatry will answer the way they ALWAYS do. they will simply **LIE**.
But still, I wonder what *YOU* have to say, Mr. Tom Strong? RSVP?__________________?………….?…
I’m glad to see your comment here, “littleturtle”! I missed this article last month, and so I didn’t see your comment. I believe you when you say you were helped by a psychiatrist. Not all psychs are bad people, and they don’t always hurt people. I think that “Slaying_the_Dragon”, above, was speaking about psychiatry as a whole. That shouldn’t take away from your personal experience. You really are one of the lucky ones, especially in the long-term. Too many of us here at MiA, myself included, were very badly hurt by psychiatry. So we condemn the WHOLE of psychiatry. But even a very bad person can do a good thing, at least once in a while. I like reading your short comments. They always make me think. Thank-you, “little turtle”!
“The boundaries of bipolarity have been expanding over the past decade.” <-from the linked-to article….
I love that line! It's such NON-SENSE! Such PSEUDOSCIENCE! There are NO such thing as "boundaries of bipolarity". So-called "bi-polar" itself is an imaginary concept, or set of concepts, if you prefer. As such, it has NO objective reality. And "diagnosis" of "bi-polar" is at best an OPINION. There is no *objective* way to prove, or disprove, so-called "bi-polar". "Bi-polar" is exactly as "REAL" as a present from Santa Claus, but not more real. To look at a collection of reported "behaviors", or 2nd-, or 3rd-hand anecdotes, and claim to be able to "diagnoses" somebody as "having" "bipolar" is the height of medical hubris. And medical fascism.
But let's get back to those alleged "boundaries", shall we? These erstwhile, PhD-level "researchers" *claim* that the "boundaries" of (so-called) "bipolarity""have been expanding". Astronomers claim that the Universe is expanding, so maybe that's why? And, just how does one *measure* those boundaries, to determine whether or not they are in fact "expanding". How do they know that that "expansion" isn't just an optical illusion? And, if it's "expanding", doesn't that mean that it's either getting hotter, or else under less pressure? What's that? Ideas and concepts don't follow the scientific laws of physics? Yeah, I know, that's what makes psychiatry a *PSEUDOSCIENCE*! DUH!….
On another note, poor Zenobia Morrill! I have to wonder if a comment or 2, – above,- is directed at/about her? I think she did a solid "A" job on her written review of the article. She wrote as objectively as she could, and she refrained from the type of editorializing that we MiA regulars like to engage in.
What I'd most like, is for an actual psychiatrist, or one of the Guild's apologists, to comment and critique on what we've written here in rebuttal. I say "bi-polar" is INTELLECTUAL FRAUD, and there's no such thing.
How can any psychiatrist, or Zennobia herself, defend this non-sense.
C'mon, Zenobia! I say, "There's no such thing as "bipolar disorder". How do YOU reply to that?….
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
Once, many many years ago, an actual, real live psychiatrist tried to give me the diagnostic allegation of me (supposedly) having a “uni-polar disorder.” Imagine that! I couldn’t even qualify for a BI-polar disorder! I must be retarded, or something. But I sure fixed that quack shrink quick! I quickly developed a full-blown TRI-polar disorder, which quickly merged with my latent quadrophrenia to become a quad-polar disorder. Then he said I was being “grandiose”, so just to keep him happy, I escalated into an over-full-blown POLY-polar disorder.
(The quack shrinks don’t like to admit this, but because of the multiple “Axes” that the pseudoscience of psychiatry uses, you CAN develop even an omni-polar disorder, although a simple multi-polar disorder is usually a safe bet.)
*THINK* about it! The word “polar” *itself* implies *2*! So saying “bi-polar” is redundant! And, there’s no such thing as a “uni-polar” disorder. The 2 poles are a function of the DUALITY, and as anybody who’s read even a little Buddhism knows, our whole entire world is based on DUALITY, – night/day, hot/cold, wet/dry, male/female, etc….
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
How can we get Derek Summerfield to actually READ these comments, and respond to them? I want to make explicit, what Summerfield comes close to, but just doesn’t see. He’s basically saying that so-called “depression” is an invented, “Western” intellectual concept, that is claimed to be a real, live, actual “disease”.
BUT SO IS PSYCHIATRY ITSELF!
Psychiatry has no more global validity that we *imagine* it to! And, to whatever extent we *believe*, or claim that it has some kind of global validity, it only has that validity IN OUR MINDS, simply because we CHOOSE to BELIEVE it! So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. I’m pretty sure there’s no Santa Claus in Mongolia.
Tim Murphy was a *psychologist*, not a psychiatrist. I was actually *helped* by a small group of licensed clinical psychologists, who were NOT connected to psychiatry & the local “Community Mental Health Center”. They actually helped me get off (most) psych drugs, too. So i will always give psychology *some* credit. But psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins.
But as for the psychologist Tim Murphy, he did so much damage, that he may as well be a psychiatrist….
This is a serious question, “oldhead”. Why are you so attached to labels? Why are you so enamored with the whole “left/right’ delusion? Why are you so attached to vague, nebulous concepts that you were taught in school? Don’t you see that “left/right”, “liberal/conservative”, and even “capitalism/socialism” are ALL exactly as “REAL” as so-called “mental illnesses”? That so-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus? WHY are YOU so ATTACHED….????….
Probably, as usual, you’ll ignore me. But I had to try. Jesus and Buddha both sent me to liberate you from your attachments…. JC says you still won’t be saved, but it’ll earn you some brownie points, and gold stars!
Seriously, *WHY* are you so attached to increasingly obsolete delusions?
RSVP? BTW, I am neither “leftist”, nor “liberal”…..
There doesn’t need to be ANY “blame” placed on ANYbody. Blame itself is a problem we don’t need.
“Self-judgement”, along with loneliness, self-criticism, and rumination absolutely ARE the responsibility of the person, not the clinician. Yes, you’re correct, in that the psychs and their neuro-toxin drugs usually do more harm than good. That’s especially true with the pseudoscience of psychiatry.
One of my best friends is very “depressed”, and admits as much. She’s an incest survivor, was given Electro-Cution Torture, (“ECT”), years of psych drugs, lots of “diagnostic labels”, etc.,
And she’s her own worst enemy. She has internalized all her victimization, and now she victimizes herself.
The local quacks at the “Community Mental Health Center” are complicit in her abuse of herself.
So you tell us, “Someone Else”, *WHAT* should she do? What can anybody ELSE do to help her, as long as she refuses to help herself? Sure, you can say we need to “blame” the catalog of billing codes, the DSM, and “blame” the psychs, but how does that help my friend help herself? I say it doesn’t….
I have been puzzled for *3 weeks*, now! The first sentence of your comment, above, just doesn’t make sense to me. I think you maybe mis-wrote what you intended to mean. I’m unclear as to what you really mean by “discourage(s) consumerism”, and “profit margins”. You’d think that “Capitalism” would WANT productive folks working and earning profits for the bosses, but there’s also the problem of de-industrialization.
As good manufacturing and supervisor-level / management level jobs are outsourced, and shipped overseas, so-called “healthcare”, and Gov’t jobs are expanded to take their place. More sick folks means fewer working at REAL jobs, but also more job creation in “healthcare” billing, and healthcare products. I’d say the system WANTS more sick folks and disabled workers, and Gov’t employees in various “agencies”, and Gov’t funded “helping professions”. It’s in the Gov’ts best interest to have MORE people dependent on it, not fewer. So whatever weakens and sickens the people, is good for, and strengthen the Gov’t. Is that about what you’re saying?
I might be at least a little ashamed, if I were a psych drug pill, too….
Psychiatry is a sexist pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. When you translate Amy Barnhorst’s psychobabble and gobbledygook into plain English, her ignorance of men and boys, and her failure-to-treat, becomes apparent. This is not surprising. Psychs are NOT at all concerned with helping children become healthy, happy, independent, fully functioning adults in a healthy society. As the social parasites and Trojan Horses which they truly are, psychs such as Amy Barnhorst are really only interested in $elling drug$, and advancing their own narrow, selfish Guild interests. Of course they would object to this most honest characterization. They delude themselves, and strive to delude others, into thinking that they “care” about “society”, and “persons”. Rather, like the pre-programmed automatons they truly are, they only care about the facade, the image. The CON. About making money for PhRMA, and lording power over vulnerable persons. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. If psychiatry were truly able to help boys and men, then all the guns in the world wouldn’t result in mass-casualty school shooters.
In other words, what Amy Barnhorst and her ilk are saying here is, : “We psychs have NO idea what makes young men violent, what to do about it, or even how to identify them. We’re basically useless social parasites.”
But that’s what *I* started off this comment saying about psychs. Thank-you for proving my point in your own words, Amy Barnhorst. Why don’t you try to get your fellow quack shrinks to see the LIGHT, also….????….
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
Atlas Obscura has become my latest internet “goldmine” find. I can strongly recommend EVERYbody to check it out, and sign up for their daily emails. …. Touring abandoned State mental hospitals is only a minor one of AO’s many greater delights!
The scariest thing about this study is how much sense it makes.
Am I correct, Sadie Cathcart, that *you* yourself wrote the above report on Simoni’s research?
After linking to the Simoni study, I believe that’s correct.
No offense meant, but BOTH Simoni’s study, and your report on it, are almost complete and utter psychobabble and gobbledygook.
So-called “ADHD”, being essentially a present from Santa Claus, is equally “real”, simply because college-
educated persons *SAY*, and *BELIEVE* that it’s real. Hence, it has no objective reality, and has ONLY subjective reality. It’s telling, that older educators, and non-white educators, are less likely to have swallowed the ADHD drug bait. As society continues to swirl down the toilet, at least we’re not wasting water flushing nothing….
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
Well, “FeelinDiscouraged”, you hit the nail on the head in one case! “Dad” became a vocal local leader in NAMI, and the family was so glad to blame their “designated patient”/scapegoat, rather than deal with a harsh truth.
But also, I’d like to see the whole issue of incest treated as less of a life-ruining trauma. Not trying to make it acceptable, just make it easier to deal with, and less likely to occur. There are also many non-evil psychs, deep in denial and ignorant, who also don’t see child abuse for what it is. “Clueless idiots and patsies”, YES!, that’s what they are! LOL….
You remind me of a line I came up with years ago:
“The way my brain works does NOT constitute a “mental illness””.
If I say, “They used to call it “manic-depressive psychosis”, or “manic-depression”….
You know exactly what I’m talking about, but *WHAT* is that *IT*?….
I say that the normal variations of human existence and expressions, in human society, using any given language, are such that some folks will *seem* *mental*. This is usually the result of some type of abusive, or dysfunctional upbringing. (That is NOT the same as saying “it’s the parents fault”, or whatever….)….
Also, in our culture, we have invented the concept of “mental illness” to serve as an excuse to sell drugs.
And control people who are perceived as difficult, challenging, or threatening….
So “BD” is exactly as “real” as a present from Santa Claus, but not more real.
And the DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes….
And there’s lots of people running around thinking they’re unicorns…..
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
I think you’re making a very big cognitive and logical error in your thinking, because of the emotional bias triggered by your media-enforced hatred and contempt for that “evil NRA”. You seem to be saying that the NRA & guns *cause* shooting crimes. I say that’s non-sense. That’s like saying “cars cause drunk driving crashes.” Think about it. Guns do NOT *cause* gun crimes. We could have 10x the number of guns we do now, but almost no gun crimes, if we could just figure out what is the trigger that triggers the trigger finger.
People can “worship”, and “adore”, and “fetishize” guns, and even become obsessed with shooting guns(legally). But using guns in gun crimes, and especially mass killings, must be caused by some combination of whatever innate human quality results in homicide, – and has since prehistory. That, plus drugs or alcohol, which are consumed into the body, and become *part*of* the body, in ways that guns simply can not. Guns might *allow*, or even *facilitate* mass shootings, but guns do not *cause* mass shootings, and I don’t think you get that.
And, there are lots of other gun-rights organizations, besides the NRA. The NRA has over 5 million members, and they are hardly a homogenous group. The defense of the 2nd Amendment is more important to most of them, than making a few bucks for some gun manufacturers. Besides, lately, there’s been a spike in both NRA membership, and gun sales. The lame-stream media WANTS you focused on guns & the NRA, and AWAY from psychiatry & psych drugs. I have literally seen NO mention of psychiatry and psych drugs in the last 2 weeks, in lame-stream media. Did you notice that CNN’s “Town Hall” meeting had NO PhRMA advertising? You didn’t, did you?
Dr. Pies must be suffering a very severe case of cognitive dissonance. He’s contorted his brain and thought process far beyond pretzels. But seriously, how long can any sane, rational person twist, spin, and distort his thoughts and words, and still keep a straight face? We must accept that Pies is a Grand Master of psychobabble and gobbledygook. This isn’t even funny anymore. It’s just sad and pathetic. Giant slices of SAD and PATHETIC PIES….
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
I first read Dr. Breggin’s “Toxic Psychiatry” in the early 1990’s. I was already beginning to “wake up”, and Dr. Breggin helped open my eyes, and splash cold water on my face. I agree 99% with everything Dr. Breggin says here, typos and all. I have noticed in the past couple weeks, that lame-stream media will NOT touch the topics of psychiatry and it’s poison pills. PhRMA pay$ too much $ for media advertising, we can’t tell the truth about the neuro-toxins, now can we? Even 17 dead high school kids on Valentines Day, are a small price for PhRMA to pay, for $BILLION$ in profit. Thank-you, Dr. Breggin. You indeed helped save *MY* life, anyway….
Beyond question, psychiatrists are the most well-educated stupid people, and the stupidest well-educated people, EVER! Cutting through all the college-level jargon and acronyms, the whole article boils down to, “healthier people have more friends than sicker people, so let’s look at that!”….
The current so-called “mental health system” is a PROCESS-centered process, and a SYSTEM-centered system.
They use whatever process most benefits the system, and whatever system works best for *THEIR* process.
If we could move to a PERSON-centered process, and a SERVICES-centered system, we *might* see some progress. But don’t hold your breath. The pseudoscience drug racket, and means of social control known as psychiatry, simply makes TOO MUCH $$$$ for it’s bosses, – PhRMA, – to make any major changes too quickly. They *LOVE* that “SMI” label, and the STIGMA it imposes on vulnerable persons!….
Psychiatry belongs on the scrap-heap of history, along with Freud, and Phrenology….
That great CATALOG of BILLING CODES, the DSM-5, makes better COMPOST than anything else….
Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. When the psychs admit *THAT* truth,
that will finally be some good news…. We can dream, can’t we?…..
Oh, PUH-LEEZ, “oldhead”! “Neoliberal” refers to a distinct, mostly European-based academic ideology, which is NOT the same as the “liberal” applied to the current “liberal/conservative” effort to “divide and conquer” the American people. “Neocons” are again, distinct from just “new conservatives”. Are you perhaps being obtuse, or ironic?
Both psychiatry in particular, and the “mental health” system in general, ask and answer the question, “What’s wrong with you?”, by slapping some stigma, and a DSM-5 label on you. And then usually drugging you with potent prescription neuro-toxins. That’s how the scam works.
What they need to ask, but don’t, is: “What happened to you?”…..
I’ll be MORE surprised, Sarah, if you continue to return to your slave-masters and oppressors, who are really only GAS LIGHTING you. Can’t you see that?
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. The DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. So-called “”mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT more “real”.
Your experiences, and your pain, &etc., ARE REAL, however…. But that doesn’t mean the DSM-5 can, or should, “label” them as so-called “mental illnesses”. Unless YOU consent….
Unfortunately, I was not able to log in to the “Body is Not Apology” website, to leave a comment.
But there’s a much more serious comment that I need to ask the MiA Staff & site admins:
Did YOU, – MiA Staff & site admins, actually **read** the linked-to article?
It’s one of the most poorly-written, poorly-edited, disjointed wrecks of a story!
It sounds like it was written by an imbecilic, but precocious 10-year old!
And, it’s basically a “psychiatry 101” propaganda screed. It pushes the whole “mental illnesses are exactly like diabetes or heart disease” mantra/lie….. Talk about the Myth of so-called “Mental Illness”!…..
I find it to be way beneath, and outside the usual quality level we’ve come to expect here on MiA!
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
PS: God knows the last thing I need is a taller “to be read” pile, but I’d still love to add your book to it!
And with the poverty of Social Security Disability and Food Stamps, I can’t really afford to buy a copy, but I *might* be able to add it to my “can’t afford to NOT buy it” list!….
Hope you’re planning more exposure here at MiA!
New Hampshire, where I’m writing from, is well over 90% “white”. And it’s also has a very “old” State population. For these and various other factors, including people having smaller families, most elementary schools are seeing declining enrollments. Fewer students. Yet, the school budgets keep rising, usually MUCH faster than the “Cost of Living Index”, even. And the tax rate ALSO rises faster than the COL Index. In other words, the schools need MORE $$$$ for FEWER kids! How does *THAT* work? Well, by dramatically increasing the #’s of “diagnosed”, and “coded” kids, there’s a LOT MORE Federal $$$$ available. Of course, that requires more $$$ to pay for more “aides”, “tutors”, “special ed workers”, etc., etc., As bad as the medicalization/criminalization of children is, it’s only PART of a LARGER SCAM being perpoetrated on the American people. The article above, as good as it is, only tells PART of the story. And, of course, psychiatry and it’s poison pills are an integral part of the CORRUPTION….
(c)2018, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
I’m not a lwayer, but I’ve read my share of legal documents over the years, including copies of case filings.
Any lawsuit, especially a Federal Class Action such as this one, is a VERY difficult read!
But what’s here on this page, is VERY WELL written, and as clear and concise as possible.
And I haven’t even gotten to the linked documents, yet!
I work with a close friend, who had Electro-Cution Torture(“ECT”) many years ago.
She claims that it “did nothing”, and “had no effect”. I disagree. I see subtle, but pervasive “damage”/effects.
Anyway, seems to me that her claims of “no effect/benefit” are the equivalent of “NO efficacy”
So, while she probably wouldn’t claim “harm”, herself, she might claim “lack of benefit”.
Are persons such as her, included in the active class participants?
It’s one thing to get all persons harmed included as plaintiffs, but adding persons such as my friend,
would only enlarge the plaintiffs class. One thing I DO KNOW, she would say she wished she had
NEVER HAD Electro-Cution Torture…..
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, Connor!
I am literally so moved, and grateful to see this, and impressed by it’s quality all around, that I’m almost crying. Literally almost crying.
I hope you noted my linguistic construction: “ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture = “ECT”….
Perhaps you could “sneak” that into the court documents, somehow?….
Once, I had a Master’s-level “clinician”, working with the local CMHC, (Community Mental Health Center) “diagnose” me with so-called “NPD”, – Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
I also worked long-term with 3 PhD-level Licensed Clinical Psychologists, not connected with that CMHC, who all agreed that I do NOT have “NPD”. Guess who the local “mental health court” listened to? The lone Master’s level clinician, because of the exclusive contract the CMHC and Court had….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21swt Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. And the DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes.
5K!….WTF?….You’re running 5,000miles?….In a *month*?….OMG, OMG!….
(Tell Puzzle I said “WOOF”!….) LOL
When I first saw “ED” here, all I could think about was Viagra commercials for “Erectile Dysfunction”….Truly, we have TOO MANY acronyms! LOL
Yes, I have a proposed solution:
Simply make the system work by having any “mental health professional” able to certify any person as
“worthy of my services”, *IF* that person freely requests that.
That way, the onus would be on the “clinician” to justify their paycheck, and not depend on a bogus label slapped on a person. Seems this would eliminate most so-called “stigma”, too….
wtf? Why are there no comments here, in over a month?….
Actually, I’d say it’s time to do away with the bogus “diagnoses” altogether….
The “diagnosis” *itself* is a form of second-class citizenship.
To think that some bogus psychiatric “diagnosis”, and full citizenship are compatible is delusional at best.
That’s like saying, “We need to treat those slaves as if they’re full citizens”….
You forget another reality, Deena. Most “public defenders” are actually *complicit*. I was charged with a bogus, fabricated criminal charge, partly because the female public defender was trying to create business for herself, and for the local “community mental health center”, and associated “mental health court”…. She actually tried to convince me that I have a “mental illness”, and that she was “helping” me. The prosecutor tried to get me sent to the State mental hospital. But, I rejected the shyster lawyer, and fought the prosecutor. I insisted to the Judge my right to represent myself “Pro Se”. I had to suck up the fraudulent conviction, but the Judge had no other choice but to side with me on the loony bin part. Point is, so-called “mental illnesses” are used as weapons against persons the local community finds inconvenient, annoying, or challenging. This reality is invisible in the cloistered, hyper-clinical ivory tower Dr. Moncrieff inhabits.
Children are the inevitable and only creation of a healthy, or unhealthy society or civilization. So *IF* the children are “depressed”, the root cause is NOT in the children themselves, – it’s in the SOCIETY! The roots of “childhood depression” are NOT in the children, but in the PARENTS, the GRANDParents, the GREAT-Grand parents, etc…. It’s not the children who are “depressed”, no, it’s the SOCIETY which is SICK….
This simple truth should be so obvious, but it doesn’t help $ELL DRUG$, does it….????….
England is dying under the poison of neo-liberalism and progressivism, and sadly, America is not far behind.
I’m sorry that you even USED that term “demons”. Are they “demons from hell”, or some other kind of “demons”? Are these the same “demons” that the Bible and Koran speak of? Joanna, I’m seriously disappointed that you still use the term “demons”.
*THINK* about what you’re SAYING!…..
We here at MiA are thinking “logically”, and “rationally”. (I won’t attempt to DEFINE those terms, so let’s just assume for sake of argument that we agree what we mean by them….) But psychiatric drugs, such as the SSRI’s that James Holmes was taking, cause the brain to malfunction in ways that are irrational and illogical. While under the influence of these DRUGS, our behaviour becomes illogical and irrational. Because it’s inherently illogical and irrational, it can only be understood illogically and irrationally! So it doesn’t make sense to us! What I’ve just descibed is exactly how the pseudoscience of psychiatry creates the very “mental illness” which it then purports to treat!
(I wonder how long it’s gonna take what’s-her-name to approve this comment before it appears?….)….
Thank-you, Carol! That was a very well-written, easy to read piece of writing. Not trying to minimize your experience, though. You did write it well. The one thing though, that I’m NOT seeing in your story of healing, is some form of exercise. I don’t mean hours pumping iron, or becoming a gym rat. But daily walks, or swimming, or some type of Yoga, for example, were/are key for me. Just today, I went for a 1/2 hour, ~45min. relaxing walk in a local wooded park with a friend. It’s Sunday, I’m taking it easy. I will also bicycle a few miles, as I do every day. That’s my suggestion. And, is it a “spiritual “emergency””, or a SPIRITUAL EMERGENCE? I guess you see why I always say:
“Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins.”
The only “need” the drugs addressed, was to make money for PhRMA, and re-inforce the whole charade of psychiatry. That you would need drugs “for the rest of your life”, needs to be called out for what it is: A LIE.
Best wishes on the future!
*IF* this article is correct, then we’d need to know the exact mechanism by which soking tobacco can cause these epigenetic changes. The OTHER big confounding factor here is the fact that ALL corporate/commercial cigarettes are laced with numerous toxic chemicals that are NOT found in tobacco. And there are NO studies which compare organic tobacco smoking with consuming the chemical-laden corporate cigarette products. How do we know it’s the *tobacco*, and not all the OTHER toxic chemicals the industry adulterates cigarettes with?
OK, *NOW* I can comment directly to Sera. No “rsvp” requested or expected, Sera. I liked the article above very much. I think it articulates well the dysfunctional inter-personal dynamics which permeates the whole “mental health / illness” system. I saw/heard/read some humor in the piece, even if it’s gallows humor. And, I think many of the more critical comments here are off-base, and even wrong. I’m a little surprised at the push-back Sera seems to provoke here. Too many of the comments are also off-topic. Not that that’s always a bad thing….
One of my best friends is a victim of forced psychiatry, but she does have a copy of the video from “Western Mass”-whatever it’s called(sorry, I can’t recall it right the name right now, but it’s the group you work with, Sera.)
Let me make a suggestion: Edit this down some, maybe combine and eliminate some #’s; maybe edit some wording into more formal/clinical language, then distribute this piece as far and wide as possible. It’s a strong piece, Sera, as written. My suggestions are in hopes of it seeing a MUCH wider audience, especially in the whole “Community Mental Health Center” crowd.
I can certainly identify with most of what you’ve written here.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, Sera!
BTW, FWIW, I believe the person who posts as “little turtle” is a female woman. I *think* she stated that once in a comment here.
“oldhead”, *MY* personal problem with the “anti-psychiatry” label is that it simply legitimizes psychiatry as being worthy of having an “anti” movement….
I agree with Szasz, both psychiatry, *AND* anti-psychiatry are PSEUDOSCIENCES…. That’s directly from the preface to the 2010 edition of “Myth of Mental illness”…..
Are you ok? That doesn’t sound like your usual tone of comments? Maybe you’re like me, – getting a headache from all the arguing here! 🙂 I like Sera’s work, and I think some of the older *boys* here are giving her a hard time she doesn’t need, or deserve…. I saw a LOT of humor in Sera’s piece, above, and a lot of pain, too. It’s obvious to me that Sera feels very deeply, and cares very much about people. We need more of that.
(This is just a thought – maybe you should post as “FeelinLESS Discouraged”, or something. Aren’t you risking affirming your discouragement, by repeatedly writing that you are “FeelinDiscouraged”? See what I mean? I can see some irony and humor in your choice of online/screen name, but maybe it’s time for a change? You know I like your comments, and I’m tryin’ to B helpful here!….)….
Just this week I happened upon a 2010 edition of Szasz’s “Myth of Mental Illness”. In the 2010 preface, Szasz explicitly states that he is NOT “anti-psychiatry”, because he considers BOTH psychiatry and anti-psychiatry to be “pseudoscience”. Just sayin’…..
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, Sera!
Gee, I dunno, “Sally”! I think “Tweedle’s” universe is not only NOT parallel, but it’s going off on it’s own radical tangent!
But ya gotta admit, that saying psychs try to tie up bird wings from flying, for their own safety, IS a pretty accurate metaphor for the pseudoscience drug racket and means of social control known as “psychiatry”!
(BTW, the most “violent” I ever was, was directly because of the psych drugs. After 20+ years off psych drugs & psychiatry, I’m happier and peacefuler than ever!)
In general, across the U.S., there’s a “shortage” of psychiatrists, because fewer & fewer persons want to go into the field. Psychs tend towards larger urban areas, with much larger colleges & universities. And, psychiatry itself is increasingly seen as the corrupt drug racket which it is. Older psychs are retiring & dying faster than new, younger ones are entering the field. Why this “shortage” is so acute in N.H., I don’t know the details on that. “Dartmouth-Hitchcock” has a near-monopoly on “healthcare providers” here in N.H. plus, there’s a LOT of CORRUPTION in N.H. Yeah, I know, you don’t usually think of N.H. as corrupt. We’re just about the richest, whitest State, and also have the highest alcohol & opioid overdose death rate. The local hospital was looking for even “emergency fill-in” psychs, at ~$80./hour, and found no takers. But N.H. *IS* also a very well-educated State, so I assume the FRAUD of psychiatry is becoming too obvious. That’s what I *hope*, anyway.
Thanks, “Feelin’! Have *courage*, my friend! *grin*
It’s sad and pathetic that “Science News” turned off comments to this story, after only 3 comments. Sorta’ like a “comment abortion”. Yes, positive touch is a crucial factor in healthy newborns. Lack of touch can only have negative long-term consequences. It’s also sad and pathetic that such knowledge needs “scientific studies”. *THINK*, people!
All so-called “mental illnesses” are in fact STD’s ~ *Socially-Transmitted Distress*….
“ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture
Electrocution Torture = “ECT”
I don’t want to censor/”moderate” the comments from “rational_moderation”, but I must note that ALL of them are irrelevant.
Electrocution Torture was invented in the 1930’s, in the era of ice-pick lobotomies, insulin coma, cold water immersion, etc. There is NO legitimate reason that it is still used. That it *is* still used, is simply more PROOF that psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. I repeat:
“ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture
Electrocution Torture = “ECT”
This barbaric form of human torture pretending to be “therapy” should be banned completely.
Thank-you, Sandra. I’m very glad you survived. And of course there’s some differences between our stories, but what most strikes me, is how the same they are. We’re about the same age, and I’ve been “shrink-proof” longer, but the basic themes are the same. We’ve had very similar experiences. So I bet you’d agree with what I always say:
“Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins.”
Welcome to MadinAmerica! BTW, I first read Dr. Peter Breggin’s “Toxic Psychiatry” in the early 1990’s.
That’s what got the ball rolling for me, and saved my life. And yeah, klonopin(clonazepam) withdrawal is *HELL*!…. *smile*….
Sadly, the BMJ doesn’t have a comment section. So, as a victim of psychiatry, I can personally, and anecdotally CONFIRM Dr. Peter Gotzsche’s article. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. Psychiatry & psych drugs did me far more harm than good. In fact, the only “good” they did for me, was when I tapered off them completely. Too many of my friends are DEAD because of the lies of psychiatry and the psych drugs which PhRMA pushes.
Thank-you, Dr. Gotzsche, what more can I do?
The head of the VA spoke out a few months ago, and acknowledged that many veterans have been helped by using cannabis, and that the VA should be looking more deeply into that fact…. Funny, too, but I’ve heard no follow-up statements…. Hmmmm?….
Yeah, I hear you, Stephen, but this Papolos quack runs the “JBRF”…. Yup, the “Juvenile Bipolar Research Foundation”….There’s a link in the NPR story.
We need to be more clear, here: “ECT” = Electro-Cution Torture….
One of my best friends was a VICTIM of ECT years ago. It did NOT help at all….
ECT = ELECTROCUTION TORTURE
WOW! 2 whole days this article has been here, and nobody has commented yet? wtf? LOL….
This sounds like at least a step in the right direction….
But “PTM” is a uniquely British invention, and I think it might face more hurdles here in America….
But it’s good to see the psychologists stand up to the pseudoscience lies of the drug racket and means of social control known as “psychiatry”. “Psychiatry” is nothing more than 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins….
Hey, ‘oldhead”, I usually read the comments first, as I’ve done here. So maybe I’ll have something more intelligent to say after I actually read the article, and the statement. I already heard about this action in a newspaper story. But, for all the words in the story, there was amazingly little *facts* in it…. I don’t think I know enough about this specific issue to really have a good opinion one way or another. So, “oldhead” *WHY* is this such good news? And, knowing Trump, isn’t it possible that what looks to *you*, *now*, as “good news”, might in fact lead to some really **BAD** *NEWS*, down the road….????…. RSVP?…. ~B./
I can sum up this “study” in one word: “gobbledygookpsychobabble”. The *comments* here are more logical and rational. Garbage like this is the result of the “publish or perish” paradigm in academia.
Psychobabble, gobbledygook, ridiculous nonsense. Sure, I read the article. It’s written in Modern American/Canadian English. And it’s still psychobabble and gobbledygook. Let’s place blame where it’s due: The pseudoscience LIES of the drug racket and means of social control known as “psychiatry”. The DSM-5, and all previous DSMs, are nothing more than catalogs of billing codes, pretending to be “scientific”. Why call it a “Statistical Manual”, when there’s NO statistics in it? And Tom Strong lays out in brief how ALL of medicine has been polluted and corrupted by these psychiatric terms. These invented words, – these neologisms. Use of neologisms was once declared to be a “symptom” of “mental illness”. Who knows if there will be a “DSM-6”? If there is, it will only need ONE entry: Psychiatry. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. What is MOST needed, in counseling/therapy in particular, and medicine in general, is TRUTH, and HONESTY. Truth and honesty are rare commodities in psychiatry, and THAT is the root of the troubles Tom Strong describes here. Why do we need anything more than “justified need for services” to bill for payment? Rather than bemoan the latest labels, let’s all work to SIMPLIFY medical language, especially in the so-called “helping professions”.
I actually watched Johann Hari speak in person, around the time he was promoting “Chasing the Scream”. That was the first I’d heard of him. Then I read “Chasing the Scream’. He’s not beyond criticism, – this IS MiA, after all!, – but I endorse him, and his book, as being very valuable. So it’s funny to see him attacked like this. It means somebody, – $OMEBODY!, – is afraid of Hari’s message.
Perhaps also the idea that “scientism” is like a form of religion. Another “ism”….
I’m mostly agreeing with you, Steve. But surely you’ve seen how the CMHC’s are all now pushing the language of “behavioral health”? We don’t see neurologists pushing “behavioral health”.
I’d suggest that the UN-healthiest behavior is going to some quack shrink, and taking their poison pills.
And I’d bet you’d agree with me, Steve, that psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins.
The Hare Krishnas would be much healthier. They have a vegetarian diet.
Sadly, and unfortunately, I think episodes like this are a necessary step in eradicating the fascist human cancer which is “psychiatry”, from the human body politic. Note that the article speaks of persons “given” so-called “diagnoses”. After something like my 15th or 20th different, “diagnosis”, I FINALLY figured out that the whole thing’s a scam, and that the DSM is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. Note that there’s no effort to, nor even hint of trying to, *confirm* any diagnostic allegation. I once had a master’s-level “clinician”, working for the local “community mental health center”, falsely claim that I have so-called “NPD”, “narcissistic personality disorder”. I worked with 3 licensed clinical psychologists who all agreed that I do NOT have “NPD”. But guess who the local court listened to? I was fraudulently charged with a fabricated “crime”, because a police prosecutor believed the master’s-level CMHC “clinician” over 3 PhD Psychologists! Yes, these bogus “diagnoses” result in real harm. As if any of us don’t already know that….
I don’t have the formal education in either statistics, or analyzing clinical studies, to accurately and thoroughly assess all the relevant details of what you’re saying here. But my language comprehension skills are more than sufficient to ask you a pertinent question. In the first sentence of your letter, above, you clearly state that “Almost all placebo-controlled trials”…etc., So, you ARE saying that at LEAST SOME trials are NOT flawed. Is that really the case? Are there in fact non-flawed drug trials?….
My personal experience with both Zoloft and Wellbutrin is that they basically did NOTHING for me.
But c’mon, Peter, are there ANY un-flawed studies?
I just gotta say something! Your comment made me laugh, but in a good way. I’ve always been attracted to “crazy”, and “troubled” women, but I’m pushing 60 now. 44 is NOT old, but the 25+ years on drugs, well, yeah, I see what you mean. And I live in a “single woman desert”. Years ago, I used to go to “Yahoo Personals”, and “Match.com”, etc., and there’d be like NO single women my age in my town! Sorry I don’t have any solutions, or words of wisdom for you, but at least you know you’re not alone in your alone-ness. Something like that. You know what I mean! Being single sux sometimes, but after 20+ years clean and sober, and away from the psychs madness, life’s pretty good, all things considered. There’s worse than “boring”, and “lonely”. At least I’m fairly happy. Hope your 2018 gets better!
“shaun”, I’ve just read the whole comment thread here. I don’t know you, so I’m not talking about *you* *directly*, but I am using your comments to make some more general points. With that disclaimer, please understand and excuse some limits in my language. I know you’re sure you sound so “affirming”. You express in hollow, empty words “support” for the thoughts and feelings expressed by other commenters here. But what I see is a subtle form of gaslighting. You don’t seem willing to seriously examine the reality that the DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. All of the alleged “diagnoses” in it are100% SUBJECTIVE, and have no objective reality. They are all exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. And all your “therapy” is subordinated under the fraudulent regime of psychiatry. Would you suggest “substantial reform” if the topic of conversation was Nazi death camps? No, you wouldn’t. I submit that you’ve had as much professional “sucess” as you *seem* to have had, largely because you’re basically a compassionate guy, and NOT because of any inherent efficacy in your “mental health system”. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. There are precious few venues such as MiA, here, where you can hear the voices of the victims and survivors of psychiatry. You have been deliberately and systematically shielded from the TRUTH. The voices of the victims are actively suppressed. I know you mean well. But when I read what you’ve written here, I have to roll my eyes and shake my head. It isn’t just that Julie, above, *”believes”* the system has failed her, it’s that THE SYSTEM FAILED HER. There’s some doubt in your mind that the system has failed her, because you are so deeply and heavily invested in it. You’re bumping up against actual cognitive dissonance in yourself, because the TRUTH of psychiatry’s victims, – including Julie & myself, – is so at odds with what you’ve been brainwashed and indoctrinated and propagandized to believe. While yes I believe you’re basically a “good guy”, I also know that you’re (relatively) young and naive. Please remember my words in 5, 10, 20 years. The “system” as you know it, and have been lead to believe, was NOT set up to “help” people. Unless those people are rich, powerful, and PhRMA honchos. Sure, you can find a few people who will sing the praises of their pills and bogus “diagnosis”. But there are far MORE people who are either dead too young, or against/out of that crooked system. No, the problem is not that I;’m too cynical, – you’re not cynical enough. You HAVE read Breggin’s “Toxic Psychiatry”, and Whitaker’s “Mad in America”, and “Anatomy of an Epidemic”, right….????….
RSVP? ~B./ (Think of me as your elderly clinical supervisor….)…..
I strongly, highly, completely, without reservation, endorse, support, – ok, you get the idea. PLEASE go out and get something, anything by His Holiness the Dalai Lama. He’s also got lots of videos. His words are simple, clear, and easy to understand. Regardless of whatever religion you do or don’t have, or what your beliefs are, the Dalai Lamas’ words are healing. Thank-you, MiA, for this…. The greatest benefit, I’d say, is that you will have more better understanding of life. And remember, Buddhism is 500 years older than Christianity. The Dalai Lama practices Mahayana Buddhism.
Regarding the “heroin/opioid “epidemic””, as you suggest, I’m wondering how we could get the data? How many adult heroin/opiate addicts were themselves diagnosed and drugged as kids? I’m betting that TPTB do NOT want such a study done, or the statistical facts disclosed publically.
The DSM is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. All of the alleged “diagnoses” in it are bogus, and they were all invented, – not discovered, – to serve as excuses to sell drugs. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. So-called “mental illnesses” and “DSM-5 diagnoses” are as real as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. Missy and Skylar were both fortunate to have had as little do do with psychiatry as you have. Psychiatry is a deathtrap. I’m glad you survived. Personally, I do find some of what you 2 are describing here to be a little weird, but I’m not the one who has to live with things as they are for you. Being an older person myself, with some experience of years, I think you’re in a pretty good place overall, and that the future holds good things for you both. I am curious why there are only *2* of you? Wouldn’t it be more fun to have more company? Of course, that could overly complicate things. Thank-you for sharing your story! I’m curious to see what some of the other regulars here have to say!
Robert is correct, “misfitxxx”. Clinicians of all types often mis-identify active street drug use for a whole slew of imaginary “mental disorders’. The DSM-5 contains literally 100’s of such invented labels. It’s one thing to say that Robert is wrong, or question his motivations, but really, what is your criticism? How is what he’s saying here “bs spin world”? Maybe you’re being overly sensitive in regards “street drugs”?
Sometimes, “madness” is simply that, – madness. Framing the question as a duality, “breakdown”, or “spiritual initiation”, is to *a priori* decide without adequate investigation. The romance of the shamanic journey seems attractive to modern, decadent Westerners, and that “breakdown” delusion certainly $ELL$ DRUG$! Maybe it’s all really just the Godhead experiencing self in myriad forms? It certainly IS NOT a “chemical imbalance” in the brain! LOL! (Well, at least not that science has found solid evidence of!)
Well, Dr. Atwood, it looks like I’m visitor #8497, 8498, 8499, and 8500, according to the counter on your website. And I see there’s no way to contact you from it. Oh well. I’ve just spent 2 hours reading *most* of what’s on your website. Pretty good stuff. You say that you didn’t want to spend time on “medical training”, in order to become a psychiatrist, and so “settled” for a Ph.D. in psychology. As it is for ALL psychiatrists, said medical training would have been wasted. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. The DSM is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. All of the diagnostic allegations in it were invented, not discovered, to serve as excuses to sell drugs. Now that California has legalized all uses of cannabis, I would hope that Dr. E supplants his single-malt Scotch supply with an occasional carefully-chosen cannabis edible. I am NOT alive and well today *because* of the depredations of psychiatry, but in spite of them. If I had not read Dr. Breggins’ “Toxic Psychiatry” over 25 years ago, and had stayed with the demonic quack shrinks, I doubt I’d still be alive. Along with the Phrenology from which it arose, psychiatry belongs on the scrap heap of history. How can such otherwise well-educated persons perpetuate and perpetrate such suffering and EVIL upon the world? Finally, I want to agree with “Sa”, above. Too bad you encountered Zen, instead of the Dalai Lama’s Mahayana! Zen is nothing but head games and word games. And psychiatry is the sound of one brain farting! LOL
They are “inseparable” only in YOUR MIND, “Slaying/Dragon”. I usually agree 99% with your comments, but your radical ideology has carried you too far this time. So-called “mental illness” is exactly the myth that you say it is. Yeah, I read Szasz, too. But psychotherapy really DOES WORK. People often feel better after good psychotherapy, but not because that psychotherapy actually “treated” their (imaginary) “mental illness”. Pretty much everybody enjoys spending an hour or 2 talking about themselves. So-called “psychotherapy” is nothing more than formalizing normal human interaction, and then sometimes pretending that it’s treating some imaginary “mental illness”. I’m suggesting that your disdain for the pseudoscience of psychiatry has affected your thinking where “talk therapy” is concerned. Even people who aren’t labelled have regular “therapy sessions”. It’s called “going out bowling with friends”, or joining your buddies at the bar”, etc. Think of the gab sessions at any urban barber shop or beauty parlor or hair salon. The personal relationships that grow in these places are in fact more important than any other “work” which goes on there. No, I’m not trying to defend “psychotherapy” *per* *se*, but I am challenging your dogmatic, reflexive, and extremist ideology. You so hate the trees of psychiatry and psychotherapy, that you can’t see the forest of humanity…. None of us are beyond self-reflection, so let me adjust this mirror for you…. RSVP? ~B./
They should rename it “Pseudo-Science Magazine”…..
They’d get more readers if they applied the same level of “science” to the study of muggles….
As everybody knows, muggles have a very high “bi-polar” rate.
We humans live on a planet that is LITERALLY bi-polar.
North Pole, South Pole.
Please, Dr. K.! Yes, you’re correct about the Nazis giving speed to their troops. But, so did Russia, Japan, U.S., England, etc.,etc. I think it lessens your argument to needlessly, – and deceptively, – invoke Nazis too much. Why don’t you look into the gross over-drugging of U.S. troops by the Pentagon, and veterans by the VA?….
I know 3 women, – my friends, – who were sexually molested/raped by their fathers. By the time they got old enough to tell what happened, “Dad” & “Mom” had taken them to psychiatrists, and had them labeled/”diagnosed” and drugged. Thus, “Oh, she’s just crazy, – she has “mental illness”. You can’t believe anything she says….” See how that works? I wouldn’t believe it if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes. All 3 families were Roman Catholic, although, yes, this type of abuse also occurs in families of other religions, too….But it’s psychiatry that’s the keystone of this scam.
Some of us with lived experience of benzos, such as myself, can only shake our heads in mild disgust.
This is like doctors asking, “Gee, should I REALLY prescribe THAT MUCH oxycontin for that long?”….
It should also be noted that Japan is home to Otsuka Pharma, which is now marketing DRUGS with MICROCHIPS, to “ensure compliance”….
Seriously, some of you “academics” need to WAKE the *F**K* *UP*, and realize that yes, it’s worse than you want to admit….
Denial is NOT a river in Egypt….
Thanks for the report, Hannah. As badas it is, I’d still rather know.
In other words, the psychs are saying, “This is what we need to start doing….”…..
Sorry, kids, but this is what the psychs SHOULD HAVE BEEN doing for the past few decades.
Thank-you, Rebecca, for proving yet again what most of us here at MiA already know:
(…even if some of us refuse to publically admit it….)….
“Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. The DSM is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. Every diagnostic allegation in it is BOGUS, and was INVENTED to serve as excuses to $ELL DRUG$….
Wow. Just wow. I feel honored to have “first comment”. I actually know Eric. It’s been 30 years since I’ve been in the New Hampshire State “mental hospital”, and it does seem to have gotten more violent there. In the 6 months I was there, I don’t recall ANY violence at all. But I’ll take Eric’s word for it. The situation HAS gotten somewhat worse. The staff of the local “community mental health center” will actually *LIE* about you, just to excuse shipping you to “Concord”, as the State hospital is commonly known. (It’s in Concord, N.H., and is a major employer.
I can really relate to Eric’s “trophy hunting”! When the local hospital fired their “child psychiatrist”, and shut down the 6-bed adolescent psych ward, boy, wasn’t Dr. Marcia Pabo surprised! They fired ~30 employees a couple months later, and shut down the 12 adult beds in the adult unit. The result is that there’s NO “inpatient treatment” in one of the largest cities in N.H.! That’s “Dartmouth-Hitchcock” for you! They also finagled the N.H. State contract for psych services, then promptly failed to fulfill their contract! Seems there’s a “shortage” of psychiatrists. Even at $80+ an hour! (That works out to well over $150K/year, btw…)
Eric and I do have some common friends, and I can attest that the whole “mental health system” is just as incompetent, crooked, corrupt, and hurtful as Eric suggests that it is. It’s *BROKEN*, but you’ll never hear the right people admit that.
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. And hey, blankets and wall-art signs are probably about the only GOOD things to come out of a stay in “Concord” “hospital”! Thanks, Eric!
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
Hey, Sera! So good to re-read this whole article, and especially the comments!
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
The crimes are so huge, so vast, so pervasive, and so profitable, that I doubt they will ever be brought to justice. But I hope I’m wrong in that.
Happy New Year, “little turtle”! (I always put the name people use online here in quote marks just to distinguish it.) You are asking some real serious questions here. I think you deserve some real serious answers. A lot of what you read here, especially in the comments, comes from years of reading, study, and work at a college or University level. Much of it comes from painful experiences. Yes, there is a lot of arrogance here. But behind a lot of that “arrogance” is also a lot of pain and suffering. So I suggest trying to not get hung up on any “arrogance” you run into here. “Take what you need, and leave the rest”, is a good way to describe it. In the end, only YOU can really know what’s best for “littleturtle”. And I’m guessing you’ve had a lot of other people try to tell you what’s best for you. That makes it harder to trust your own wisdom and knowing. I’m glad you’re still posting here. That means you’re still looking for answers, still looking for healing. Whatever it was that “happened” to you, wasn’t just one thing that happened in one moment. It was a lot of things, that took place over a long period of time. So your “healing”, – whatever form that takes, – won’t happen all at once, either. It’s a PROCESS, not an “event”. The key is “positive forward progress”. How that works is really very simple. You decide you want to be healthier. You decide that you are ready, willing, and able to begin to make one step at a time towards being the healthiest, happiest “little turtle” that you can be. When you do this, it can seem scary. And that “fear” can be seen as “F.E.A.R.” That means “False Evidence Appearing Real”. Or, it can mean, “Face Everything And Recover”. What I’ve learned, – what I believe, – is that we ALL have a WHOLE, HEALTHY, HAPPY person living inside us. Even **YOU**, “little turtle”! That’s what I believe, anyway! In the end, it really doesn’t matter whether or not so-called “mental illnesses” are “real” or not. And it really doesn’t matter whether or not you do, or don’t, have one. You still have to do certain things to be that whole, healthy, happy person you were meant to be. I think you can do it. Your questions are a good sign. (This might not be the best site to get the answers, though! *grin*….) If you haven’t been to Monica Cassinis’ website, >beyondmeds.com<, then I suggest you do. She has a LOT of good information there. And yes, eating more fresh fruits and vegetables, and nuts and whole grains, is always a good idea. You're not a junk person, so why should you eat junk food? Thanks for your questions, and thanks for reading my few words here. I do hope they help!
The link leads to a very short article, and a proprietary BBC media player which doesn’t like the computer I’m using. So I take it, that in England, “sanctioned mental patients” are further “sanctioned” with loss of some benefits if they’re “non-compliant”. Or some such ridiculous non-sense. The whole English “mental health system” seems to be imploding under the weight of the LIES of the pseudoscience drug racket and means of social control known as psychiatry, – 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. I’m sorry that folks are being so abused by the system, but it seems to be an inevitable stage of collapse to a system built on greed and ignorance.
In some ways psychiatric slavery is more horrific than bondage/chattel slavery. Chattel slavery openly defended itself as slavery. There was no pretense, beyond the slave-owners claim that slaves were sub-human to masters. But in psychiatric slavery, the psychs will proclaim that it’s victims are “fully human”, then turn around and dehumanize them. Bondage/chattel slavery doesn’t pretend to be otherwise. But psych slavery deludes itself, and
it’s victims, that it’s “for their own good”….
The 2 words that BEST describe the whole shebang, above, are PSYCHOBABBLE, and GOBBLEDYGOOK. (No, I’m not referring to the descriptions written by Rebecca Troeger) Sure, the stuff sounds good, but *THINK*!, what *exactly* does “evidence based” *mean*? “Evidence based” might sound good to the untrained ear, to the person who doesn’t look deeply into the facts. But the more deeply I think about what’s being said here, the less actual substance I see. And with the neo-fascist “sectioning” laws, we see guaranteed cu$tomer$. Let’s be honest. England is turning it’s people into drug toilets. Force drugs down their throats, flush. Force drugs down their throats, flush. Etc., etc., etc. What I see is simple proof for what I always say: Psychiatry is pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. And the so-called “mental health system” is a cruel joke. I’m not impressed, England. We should rename it “Less Britain”. There’s nothing “Great” about this iatrogenic SCAM.
@”amnesia”: Thanks for the link, – which works!, – but I couldn’t load the “comments”, or even read/see them. But your words from 2012 are still there. Thank-you. I bet you’d agree – Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins.
The DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the alleged “diagnoses” in it were literally INVENTED, not “discovered”. I’m grateful that I survived psychiatry…. too many of my friends did not….
BTW, “ECT” = ELECTRO-CUTION TORTURE. We may as well be HONEST, and call it what it is…. Electro-cution Torture(“ECT)/
Well, I couldn’t find a comment section on the SanFranChronicle website, so I hope they see this comment….
What I find most appalling is the blatant and glaring ignorance on the part of these erstwhile “helpers”, these bleeding-heart liberal elites who are both grossly over-educated and dumb as a box of rocks. They are in fact fascists hiding behind a veneer of do-gooderism. Many, perhaps most hard-core “street people”, such as this “Alice” woman cited in the article, have in fact had one too many bad experiences with the so-called “mental health system”, and THAT is why they are now refusing the so-called “help”. What we learn, too often painfully, is that “bad help is worse than no help at all”. Even in my small hometown, we do have a few chronic “homeless”, and “mental patients”. With rare exceptions, they are as they are not *in spite* of the system, but rather, BECAUSE of it. Whether through electro-cution torture(“ECT”), or gross over-drugging, or a myriad of other abuses, these folks have been so hurt and traumatized that they want nothing to do with “the system”. Most “street people” HAVE been through the psychiatric ringer. Psychiatry has done, and continues to do, far more harm than good. So-called “street people” are living examples of that testimony. Idiot but well-meaning do-gooders fail to see the TRUTH. If the mental health system *could* have helped these folks, they wouldn’t be so bad off in the first place! The homeless are the canaries in societies’ coal mine. So the SanFran libbies are running around frantic to help the homeless? They need to FIRST take a LONG HARD LOOK at the REAL problem. They need to spend a few hours looking in the mirror. God, they need to spend a few hours looking in the mirror….
(c)2017, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
I’m very sorry to hear about the death of your son. And I don’t want to cause you any unnecessary pain. So do I withhold the TRUTH I KNOW, to spare your feelings? Or should I be honest? You’ve heard the expression, “the truth hurts”; and that phrase is often used as an excuse or justification to cover up unpleasant or inconvenient information. But I think that just points out another, deeper truth: “We’re only as sick as the secrets we keep”. And psychiatry is one of the sickest secrets there is! The TRUTH, Mr. Truskie, is that psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. Your son did NOT “have schizoaffective disorder”, simply because there’s no such thing. It’s an imaginary “disease” that was INVENTED, (note: NOT “discovered”), to serve as an excuse to $ELL DRUG$, and maintain the power and influence of PhRMA, the shrinks, and the larger “mental illness industry”. Your son was KILLED. Active voice. He did not just “die”,- passive voice. What I think you need to realize, is that “the system” really does NOT care about your son in particular, or about “mental patients” in general. PhRMA does NOT care about you, or me, either. The system which killed your son only cares about money, power, and control. That’s a harsh TRUTH. I think you need to understand, Mr. Truskie, that the DSM-5 is a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the so-called “diagnoses” in it were invented, – or created, – to serve as excuses to sell drugs. Now, I’m not saying that your son didn’t have some difficulties, or painful experiences, or whatever you want to call it. But that doesn’t mean that he had a “mental illness”. And that diagnostic label is itself the very “stigma” which the system itself so often decries!
Like your son, I’ve seen several friends and acquaintances die too soon, after being multi-drugged. I myself was a victim of that, too. I was taken to a psychiatrist, and “diagnosed”/labeled/stigmatized in 10th grade. Wasted the next 20 years of my life. I read Dr. Peter Breggin’s “Toxic Psychiatry” in the early 1990’s, and he helped expose much of what I’d already figured out for myself. That’s what I’m trying to explain to you here. You’ve been lied to by psychiatry & the “mental health/illness industrial complex”. I think the best way to honor your son’s sacrifice is to work to end the whole sad charade of psychiatry once and for all. How many more needless deaths will be required to stop the carnage? Looking at the parallel “heroin/opioid crisis”, all I’m hearing is “talk, talk, talk,” but nobody wants to actually walk the walk. I’m truly very sorry. This is about all I can do….
Frank & Steve beat me to it. I agree, and have empiric proof. Reducing long-term psych DRUG use WILL improve health…. Of course, that means that the current drug-heavy lean of psychiatry *MIGHT* *BE*(IS) doing more harm than good….
No, we’re just trying to prevent psychs from DROWNING the baby in the bathwater, which is what psychiatry currently does….
No, it’s *YOU* who are only partially rational, and you don’t go far enough. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. We could easily abolish psychiatry, with very little notice to the general public. I’m here in small-town N.H., which is also the biggest city in this part of the State. In early 2016, the local private, “non-profit” hospital chain fired their child psychiatrist, and closed their adolescent “Mental Health Unit”, – 6 beds. A couple months later, they fired 30 staff, and closed their 12-bed adult “mental health unit”. Around that time, they spent $1.5Million to re-do their ER, and install several psych holding cells. The State-wide hospital/”healthcare” group, which runs the local hospital, “Dartmouth-Hitchcock”, also snagged the State contract to provide staff at the State Mental Hospital. There’s a State-wide “shortage” of psychiatrists. The State of N.H., through incompetence, crookedness and corruption, continues to FAIL to treat a small percentage of the population in a safe, effective, humane, and legal manner. Persons are still confined for days or weeks at a time in hospital emergency rooms’ holding cells. But psychiatry is on the ropes. There are still 1,000’s of people employed, at tax-payer expense, in the “mental health system”. People are still being neglected, abused, a DRUGGED. Some of them are my friends. I literally see it every day. So abolishing psychiatry is a *process*, not an “event”. Personally, I’d like to see MiA get stronger on the “anti-psychiatry” bandwagon, but I understand why they don’t. Psychiatry serves the “GREG B.’s”, the Global Ruling Elites and Global Banksters. For all other persons, psychiatry is nothing more than 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. We can’t get rid of it fast enough. As for that unfortunate “crazy” woman you mentioned, psychiatry did NOTHING to help her, or she wouldn’t be in that predicament in the first place! We do NOT need the LIES of psychiatry….
(c)2017, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
“prescripticide”!…. I like that word. Iatrogenic prescripticide. Thanks to Grammarly, the word is now in my dictionary. Thank-you, “amnesia”…..And I do mean this with respect: your friend’s tragic death has given us the word “Prescripticide”. I’m sorry for your loss, and yes, I think you should have filed the report. But I also respect and understand your decision not to.
As bad as forced isolation torture is, 251 persons were victims of electro-cution torture *AGAINST* *THEIR* *STATED* *WILL*…. OK, I suppose somebody can choose to get ECT, if they are fully informed just how dangerous it is, but how can any Christian gov’t force electrocution torture against somebody’s will?….
Even beautiful, tiny New Zealand has some SICKO psychiatrists…. I bet there are *NO* videos on youtube, showing how “well” ECT has “worked”…. Why is there NO video documentation of ECT’s “efficacy”….????….
ECT = ELECTRO-CUTION TORTURE
….and some people still want to defend, and “reform” the abomination that is psychiatry!
Merry Christmas to you, too, “little turtle”! I’m so glad some of the more opinionated commenters here haven’t scared you away! LOL! I value your comments. And, yeah, there’s a LOT to learn here! You might like >beyondmeds.com<, too! Monica Cassini does a great job with her website there…. Best wishes to you!….
Well, the main reason is MONEY. And LAWYERS. Given the many folks who have been given Electro-Cution Torture, imagine the lawsuits if psychiatry were to tell the TRUTH about “ECT” NOW…..!
I am NOT defending electrocution torture…..
Hello, “littleturtle”! Merry Christmas! Let me give you the BEST answer I can: Yes, as you ask it, “the serotonin system in the brain”… DOES “have something to do with mental health”. **BUT**, as others have commented here, what you’ve been told is basically a LIE, invented to sell drugs. There’s group of drugs called “SSRI’s”, which means “Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors”. This group of drugs includes Prozac, Zoloft, etc., and are called “antidepressants”. Problem is, there is NO way to actually measure the exact “serotonin levels” in a person’s brain. To the extent that serotonin levels CAN be measured, there’s no clear answer to what they mean. There are folks with “low” serotonin levels who are NOT depressed, and folks with HIGH “serotonin levels” who ARE depressed. And, as science is STILL LEARNING, most of the serotonin in the human body is actually made in our guts, which also have large numbers of neurons.
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins.
Most of what we think we know about psychiatry and mental health are LIES invented to sell drugs, maintain the salaries and money of the “mental health system”, and maintain the social control aspects of psychs.
And if anything I’ve said here is factually wrong, I’m sure somebody will correct me. Your pain is real, and your experiences have value, but that does NOT mean that you have a “biological” “mental illness”!
That “A Christmas Carol” is STILL so popular in Britain & America, speaks volumes to how really SICK our society STILL is…. Gee, it’s almost as if psychiatry, psych drugs, and psychology haven’t been helping us so much for well over a century now….
Sorry I took so long to see this and reply. I note that only the word “therapist” is used, so we don’t know what (“medical”) degree the “therapist” had. Knowing what type of degree a therapist has, helps understand where that therapist is coming from, to use American idiom…. Your “born perfect” concept is similar to the idea that I came up with, – that each of us has a whole, healthy, happy person inside. As for the DSM-5, – the current edition, – it’s the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association. Every so-called “diagnosis” in it is bogus, and they were ALL invented/created. None of them were “discovered”. There is literally NO SUCH THING as “Dependent Personality Disorder”. Any given “personality” is itself nothing more than a collection of concepts. Same with the bogus “disorder” of “DPD”. Please note that I am NOT discounting your subjective experience, Janet. Remember, psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. So-called “mental illnesses”, and even “personality disorders” are only exactly as real as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real.
Thanks for writing your story here.
ps: I couldn’t help noticing that your mother seemed to use psychology as a weapon against you!
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology with potent neuro-toxins. So, it goes without saying that I’m just as “anti-psychiatry” as I am “anti-Nazi”. And, there are few people who even know who Freud is, who do NOT think he’s a psychiatrist. Personally, I find your defense of Freud appalling. He should be tossed on the scrap heap of history, along with “alienists”, and phrenologists.
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins…..
You remind me of some poor cabin boy bringing fresh sheet music to the band playing on the poop deck of the Titanic…..
I agree with you, “Nancy99”, and want to add that one of the best ways to “develop mindfulness”, indirectly, is to read any of the books by His Holiness, the Dalai Lama of Tibet. His books can be found in any library or bookstore, and they are always simple, – but not simplistic, – and easy to read. And they seem to just get better every time I read them! (I would hope that “littleturtle” doesn’t take any of the comments here too personally. Some of the comments might seem harsh, or too critical, but I think it’s her *statements* that are being criticized, and not *her*, or her experience. That’s my hope, anyway….)….
Dr. Maisel: I read all 3 parts of your article, linked to here. But I didn’t read all 3 parts *carefully*. I only skimmed them. Sorry, but I don’t need the stress and re-triggering of my own personal trauma. I’m doing OK today, and that’s good enough. But I DO have a serious comment to add. In your list of traits for authoritarians, you seem to present the persons described as if they somehow just “happened” to be that way. As if they just became that way as adults. What I’m not seeing, is a more detailed and nuanced description of how the authoritarian’s own childhood set them up to be that way. I can see bits and pieces of *some* of the traits in *most* people, and I shudder to think there’s somebody who embodies ALL the traits.
I’m seeing a kind of “either/or” happening. Either so-and-so *IS*, or is *NOT* an “authoritarian”. I just don’t think people are usually so cut-and-dried. I’m hoping you don’t see this critique as a negative comment, or criticism. I’m hoping to ADD to your work, not detract from it. (And thank-you for not using the “T” word. He can toot his own “trumpet”, right?) Reader’s Digest had it right: “Laughter is the Best Medicine”!
The DSM is literally, a catalog of billing codes.
wage slavery, debt slavery
I’ve known far, far TOO many people whose story is the same as your friend’s, pheonix. **PLEASE** have her go to >beyondmeds.com<. Monica Cassini has done a great job on that website. Good luck! And bring your friend HERE, too! ~B./
Sorry, schizioRuss, but I don’t believe that for one minute. Oh, yes, I believe that YOU believe it, but that does NOT make it the TRUTH. It’s only *your* *truth*, and that’s only true for you.
I was on “Triavil 4/25’s”, and I experienced a near-fatal toxic reaction. Damn near killed me. The quack shrink who was dosing me lost her MD license the next year. Personally, I think you need more education than EVERYbody here can give you…. You may *think* you’re doing ok today, but you wait 5, 10, 15, 20+ years from now. You’ll probably think otherwise than you do now. I’ve been playing the psych game for 40+ years. How long did you say you’ve been on the drugs? But please understand, I’m glad you’re here, glad you’re posting, hope you stay, and hope you learn. Too many of my friends are DEAD because of the pseudoscience lies of the drug racket known as “psychiatry”…..
(c)2017, Tom Clancy, Jr., *NON-fiction
Based on your comment, you’re saying that “suicidal thoughts are depression”. I’m calling you out, and saying that’s nonsense. And, wouldn’t what you’re calling “substance induced depression” be more fairly called a “drug side effect”? Because, based on what you’re saying, “Chantix can cause depression”. I’m personally glad you’re posting here, but I also think much of what you’re saying is at best only your opinion, and the rest is proveably wrong. You’re free to believe that you have some form of so-called “schizophrenia”, if that’s what floats your boat. So I assume you also believe that Santa Claus will be bringing you some presents in 2 weeks. So-called “mental illnesses”, including so-called “schizophrenia”, are exactly as real as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. Thanks for your comments, and please keep coming back.
Patient: I’m feeling warm.
Psychiatrist: You obviously have a fever!
Who needs a thermometer!?
….they become cu$tomer$ for LIFE….. Duh!….LOL….
OK, Frank, but how do we *KNOW* that animals don’t have so-called “schizophrenia”? I think you and I will agree, but how do “they” *KNOW* that animals don’t have schizophrenia? See what I mean? What evidence is there, that animals don’t get so-called “schizophrenia”? If the shrinks claim to have “proof” that animals don’t get/have so-called “schizophrenia”, then exactly what is that evidence? I’ll grant that animals can become “anxious”, or “depressed”, but aren’t those simply natural reactions to harmful environments/stimuli?
Brian: We might have signed your petition twice? No comment the first time, but we also signed into FaceBook, and added a comment, the 2nd time….
What more can we do to help, from here at this computer?
Bill & Bradford
There’s a **reason** that “akathisia is often undiagnosed”, as the article correctly states….
Akathisia is IATROGENIC.
It’s more correct to say that “akathisia is RARELY diagnosed”….
Honesty and medical ethics are obsolete concepts which have no place in the Brave New World Order
of PhRMA 2017….
Otsuka Pharma is the drug dealer behind Abilify, and they are also one of the leading payer$ of kickbacks to “doctors”/drug dealers known as “psychiatrists”…. Even a local shrink here in small-town New Hampshire, Dr. Shawn Shea, received over $10,000. in 2 years from them, as a “consultant”. Those facts can be found in the “Dollars For Docs” database which ProPublica has produced online….
God Bless you all, but we’re really chatting about a global-scale DRUG RACKET, which is harming, torturing, and even KILLING people for profit, and calling it “healthcare”.
The ironic thing, is that given the literally 1,000,000s of folks drugged by these neuro-toxins globally, there actually *are* some folks, – a very tiny percentage, – who do seem to be “helped” by these drugs….
This idea just occurred to me, so it won’t be worded well, or a fully-developed idea.
Why don’t you, Eve, explore the idea of *OFFICIALLY* creating(whatever that means….), a special category of persons, who have been hurt by psychiatry, and who should NOT be subjected to ANY so-called “treatment?
A couple years ago, I was literally arrested and charged with a totally bogus criminal charge, just because of my *past* *psych* *record*. Think about that, please, Eve. The human carnage psychiatry has inflicts on humanity continues….
You can either “follow truth”….or follow psychiatry. Ultimately, you can’t do BOTH, unless you’ve figured out a way to be in 2 places at once.
The TRUTH has no place in psychiatry…..
I began to learn about TRUTH while working the 12 Steps of A.A.
The more I leaned to live an honest life, the farther behind I left the LIES of the pseudoscience drug racket known as “psychiatry”. But I value your comments, “littleturtle”. Maybe for you, the truth is something different. And maybe in a few years, you will think very differently. I only wish good things for you.
Beyond doubt, Gremlins don’t like bright lights. I know it’s true, because I saw it in a movie once long ago….
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. All of the so-called “diagnoses” in the DSM-5 are bogus, all were invented/created, – not discovered, – to serve as excuses to $ELL DRUG$, and produ$e billing. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as real as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real. There, that’s my spiel…. My parents took me to a shrink in 10th grade. I got an Rx and a “diagnosis”. I got literally dozens more of each in the next 20+ years. Psychiatry DESTROYED what should have been the BEST 20 years of my life. As much as I’m heartened to see another brick in the wall fall out, as Eve has done here, still, well, I don’t know….
I have to assume there have been *some* concentration camp guards who wrote similar pieces in the late 1940’s/50’s…. Sorry, not trying to be nasty, but I still see my friends literally poisoned and tortured by young shrinks who weren’t even born when I was first drugged…. So please, Eve, I thank-you, but please understand MY contempt for your profession. It’s not personal to you….. I also mostly agree with most of the other commenters here.
How would *YOU* like to live on ~$750./month SSDI….????…. Oh, yeah, I get food stamps, and help with housing, too…. But at least I’ve been SHRINK-PROOF for 20+ years now…..
(Trust me, Eve, but the rose-colored glasses, LA LA Land description of psychiatry *YOU* describe, is NOT what *I* experienced…. I narrowly escaped literal murder, by guards in one lock-up I found myself in, while in the thrall of psychs…. GET IT….????…. It’s not anger, but PAIN and TRAUMA, and FEAR, that feed my words here….
R.I.P., “oneboringoldman”…. I agree completely.
Eve Wood, MD, could begin to atone and make amends for the damage psychiatry has caused, by working with “oneboringoldman”‘s survivng family…..
….wtf?….you “completely agree” that you “unintentionally misrepresented yourself”?…..
Honestly, Emily, I think you’re only spouting the PC Party Line in reply to “LavenderSage”, and that you don’t REALLY understand what she’s saying. I’ll go further. I think so-called “BPD” is an imaginary disorder that is no more real, – or just as real, – as a present from Santa Claus.
I think “mad pride” is stupid, and counter-productive. It reinforces the dominant paradigm, and reinforces “other-ness”. I’m also glad you wrote what you did, and I think your expressing yourself has value. The fact that I think it’s ridiculous nonsense shouldn’t take away from that. How far away from the “BORDER” do you have to be, to not have to worry about getting nabbed by the Border Patrol?
And is it REALLY a “borderLINE”? Wouldn’t “borderspace”, or “border area”, be more accurate? Like **ALL** DSM “diagnoses”, it’s bogus, invented, and serves as an excuse to $ELL DRUG$…. “BPD” is ONLY as “real” as you choose it to be. That’s my opinion, after 45+ years direct, personal experience….. When I got like my 30th DIFFERENT “diagnosis”, I began to realize that psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins.
I’d like to know exactly WHO told you that…..
Unless they were part of the website admins, any commenter here has no more or less authority, to say who or what this website is for. For me personally, I think some of your comments sound weird, but I’m learning some things, and I think you have a valid point of view, and valuable information to share with the readers. Again, speaking for myself, I say you’re WELCOME here, and I’m GLAD you comment. I do NOT identify as “mad”. I’m a survivor of doctor abuse/psychiatric abuse, and recovered psych drug addict. The Docs addicted me. Thanks, & keep posting here!
Correction, Phil. “And markets they *CREATE*!…..
Thanks again, my friend!
UM, you wrote about how WIC 5250 needs “all” conditions to be met, but then only list #’s 1), & 3)….
What’s up with that? And, seeing as how the hosp[ital is now closed, why not *NAME* it, or at least more fully describe it? Was it public, or private, profit, or non-profit, (as if there’s a *real* difference!) Do you see now, that the whole so-called “mental health” field is really only concerned with money, power, and control? For example, how much did YOU pay, out-of-pocket, for what I assume was a 14-day,
2-hospital stay? Well, ok, *WHO* *DID* pay? How much research have you done into valproic acid?(sic). What is the root cause of your “multiple disabilities”? Now, I don’t expect you to fully answer ALL my questions, Nikki, but yes, I do expect *SOME* answer(s).
To give you some idea where I’m coming from, here’s my mantra:
“Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. The DSM-5 is nothing more than a catalog of billing codes. ALL of the bogus “diagnoses” in it were INVENTED, not “discovered”, to serve as excuses to $ELL DRUG$. So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real….”….
Welcome to the real world of adulthood, in 21st Century America, huh?….
Based on my personal experience with Valium, fifty 10-mg. would be about 100 days’ worth….. And I’d be real chill, until and unless the script ran out…. then I *might* become a homicidal maniac…. I’d heard the Vegas shooter was on psych drugs, but it’s been (somewhat) suppressed in the liberal, lame-stream media….
Given that the guy is dead, I think the Public has a right to, and deserves to KNOW the WHOLE TRUTH here….
I tend to believe that Dr. Peter Breggin isn’t in the “fake news” business…. Thnx, “oldhead”…. ~B./
….maybe she’s never seen any CCHR literature….????….
So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus. They have a subjective “reality”, but no OBJECTIVE reality. Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, a drug racket, and a means of social control. It’s 21st Century Phrenology, with potent neuro-toxins. The DSM-5 is a catalog of billing codes, and little more…. All of the bogus “diseases” in it were INVENTED, – not discovered, – to serve as excuses to $ELL DRUG$….
So-called “mental illnesses” are exactly as “real” as presents from Santa Claus, but not more real….