Tuesday, October 19, 2021

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  • I remember being part of the drug trials for olanzapine for Lilly’s Zyprexa.

    In Phase III trials, they were looking at liver enzymes & other measures of interaction with my “mood stabiliser,” Depakote.

    For Phase III trials, I was inpatient for a week (while taking the drug for 8 weeks). They measured me constantly, 24/7. If anything went wrong, I was in a university hospital, and would be looked after. If anything went wrong prior to the inpatient trial, I was a phone call away from support.

    While I do not know the protocols of the study I was paid to participate in, and whether they hold up to Robert Whitaker’s (and other scholarly) scrutiny – I do know that I was supported through the trial. (turns out, I was on the placebo arm, thank the gods).

    However, in this global Phase III trial of the mRNA, I have no such support. I have no recourse if anything goes wrong, and in fact, if anything goes wrong, I will be gaslighted and called “misinformed” or “tinfoil hat” or “antivax.”

    Very similar if I went to a psychiatrist and complained of drug effects. “It’s just your ‘depression’ ‘bipolar’ whatever.”

    Gaslighting. Coming to a marketing plan near you.

  • It surprises me to no end, that we as psychiatric survivors who KNOW how corrupt and lying the pharmaceutical companies are – how can we ever trust them again?

    The mandates that Richard speaks so highly of – are of a product which is leaky and short acting, at best, and provides temporary benefit which expires after about 6-8 months.

    If I refuse to take a drug to alter my mood, why would I consent to regular shots at the behest of a government “health policy” which may be driving the variants and creating more problems than it is solving.

    Additionally, my dealings with pharmaceutical products have led me to look for LONG TERM consequences, of which nobody is talking about. What are the results after 3 years? 5 years? 10?

    One of the things that Gotzsche taught me to look at is NNT. Number Needed to Treat. I believe it was Robert Malone who pointed out to me that the NNT to prevent ONE case of Covid is something like 240 people. This is inefficient at best.

    We learned not to listen to the diag-nonsense, and apparently the PCR test is another form of diag-nonsense.

    We, as survivors, learned to NOT trust the products coming off the assembly lines at pharmaceutical companies, how is this product any different?

    Well, it’s different in that they are pushing it, cajoling, even punishing those who don’t wish to participate in this experiment. They are forcing employers to mandate it, even if there aren’t government mandates (which is the case here in Australia). If it were so good, wouldn’t the goodness of the product be enough without mandates or facing potential lost jobs, etc.?

    It stuns me that anyone who has survived neuroleptics, benzos and “antidespressants” could accept anything Pharma says at face value.

  • I will answer you in the form of questions.

    Do the drugs in question only reside in the brain?

    Do you know what it does to your digestive system? (hint: 85-90% of body’s serotonin resides in gut)

    Do you know what it does to your liver? Kidneys? Adrenals?

    Do you know about the cardiac effects of these drugs?

    Do you know about the endocrine effects of these drugs?

    Do you know about the drugs’ effects on the nervous/muscular system? (dystonias & dyskinesias?)

    Have you ever tried to come off of the drugs, and experienced withdrawals?

    Have you had any sexual side effects? (these can be crippling)

    Have you been on the drugs longer than 5-10 years? Have you had any mysterious “other” ailments crop up after 5 years on the drugs? (commonly, fibromyalgia, IBS, impotence, arrhythmias, muscle pain & spasms, insomnia, restless legs, tremors, chronic fatigue, autoimmune problems, but these are only the common ones – there are many, many more)

    These drugs are not meant for the long term, but the way the drugs work make it extremely hard to come off of them. Extremely hard for a “short course,” because once you’ve been on them for 3 weeks, your body has adjusted to them.

  • Disease? Like there’s a blood test for this? Or maybe an MRI image? Perhaps there’s some other lab assay for this “disease” that I’m unaware of?

    These horrific symptoms are caused by distress, not disease. OFTEN, these horrific symptoms are caused by the very medications that you seem to claim relieve the “disease.”

    In my clinical experience in removing people from the drugs, I find that symptoms are often better after the drugs are gone. Symptoms improve remarkably if the individual can take self responsibility for their own mood and well being (that’s the hard one).

    Like @Linda Comac above said, “plain as the nose on your face,” and “mental health professionals don’t seem to see the nose.”

    That would be you.

    I do agree that people in distress lack cognitive freedom, but that is often from the pressure to “do something,” from family, friends, professionals. The freedom would be to choose how to treat, not to always submit to chemical solutions. But the dominant narrative – what you subscribe to – says, “shut up and take your pills” is the only solution. Simply NOT TRUE.

    I also agree that many clients want to be “fixed,” and are unwilling to do the work it takes to correct the problem – and drugs are a cheap and easy way to offer something, when someone is unable to leave a job, a relationship, quit a harmful pattern.

  • I’m all for stopping the “gatekeeping” of drugs, especially as people are able to research and be better informed than even 10 or 20 years ago.

    However, to put antidepressants (and anxiolytics and neuroleptics) on the shelf for people to try or not try is like placing bombs for sale at your local hardware store.

    Some people have horrible reactions after just one pill. Katinka Blackford Newman, “THe Pill That Steals” is just one example, but I’ve seen several on SA, who said, “I just took 3 days worth, and now I’m screwed.”

    These drugs are unsafe, should be banned, and let people smoke cannabis or microdose or some other, safer option.

    That said, I do agree with you about the harms of labels. I am fortunate, and able to use that to my benefit: “I’m bipolar, you can’t give me that drug, it will set me off.” I’ve used this to refuse Lyrica, amitryptaline – all those helpful “pain” drugs.

    But there are many many people who cannot get health care – their health scares are “all in their head” because of that diag-nonsense label. It can affect work, medical, privacy issues – even confrontations with law enforcement can be sullied by that effing label.

  • What people do not consider is the long term effects of being drugged.

    I don’t “feel” anything is being damaged, and yet, my kidneys and liver don’t work as well as they used to.

    These drugs affect the entire body – digestion, cardiovascular, endocrine, muscular, more. The whole body – not just the brain.

    Over time (in my experience, about 3-5 years) you start to develop mysterious illnesses. Maybe it looks like an autoimmune disorder; maybe it looks like IBS; maybe it’s restless legs, or sexual dysfunction; maybe it shows up as chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia.

    These drugs affect far more than mood (or brain).

  • There are millions of things you can do for depression.

    The hard part is that it’s challeinging to “do something” when depressed.

    My depressions (and I’ve heard from others with similar experience) are about my body trying to shut me down because I’ve made choices in my life that go against my true being (psyche). When I shut down in depression, everything falls away, and the only things I pick up are the things I can.

    Depression is about winnowing away the unnecessary “do” and “stuff” and “relationships” in life. It’s a warning to be heeded.

    So – while waiting, you may nap a lot. Maybe you will indulge in some binge watching, or play video games. Maybe you will walk in the sun, go swimming, ride your bike, change your diet (do not underestimate the ability of gluten, processed foods, etc., to damage your mood), maybe take up yoga or exercise of some sort. Maybe you will, as Richard suggests – talk to someone. Maybe it will be a professional, or a religious person, or just a beloved friend or family member. Maybe you will be understood, maybe you won’t. Maybe you will write about it instead, or make art, or music or dance to express it.

    There are as many ways out of depression as there are ways in. To say that a pill is the ONLY answer is extremely limiting.

  • “Trying” a drug is not so simple. If you try it for 3 days, and have a horrible experience, you can walk away, but if you “try” it for 3 weeks or more, then you are faced with having your neurotransmitters altered, homeostatis getting involved – and the long difficult haul of trying to get off of the drug.

    You don’t “try” something that requires tapering unless you are sure. Or desperate. Or uninformed. Or misinformed.

  • I remember when I first accepted diag-nonsense. And “medication for life” and “broken brain” and “chemical imbalance” and “I was made this way” nonsense.

    And for my “recovery” Rule #1 was: take meds (drugs) as prescribed.
    (Rule #2 was “don’t get caught” in the hospital system, and #3 & 4 were about eating & sleeping)
    It wasn’t until I broke Rule #1, though, that I got better.

  • It has been brought to my attention that there is a thing called “Havana Syndrome” inflicted upon US diplomats (and CIA assets) in Cuba, China, and now in Washington DC.

    The symptoms are intensely familiar to those of us who have heard the complaints about TMS.

    I’ve been thinking about Havana Syndrome in the context of TMS & ECT, and thinking about – how easy it is to weaponise these things. We all know that microwaves & EMF are not great for the brain & body tissue. It’s easy to make a thing to destroy something. Just blast it.

    How much harder then, is it to target a thing like this for healing? Like Sam says, this machinery doesn’t only affect a specific target. There would be collateral damage. EVEN if you aimed to excite vs. inhibit, or this or that part of the brain. It’s not brain surgery, and even brain surgery is not entirely precise – there is usually collateral damage.

  • Yes, but attorneys won’t take the case if there is no win.

    Doctors have a shield called “Standard of Care,” which on the ground (and in the courts) looks like, “But this is what all the Doctors do,” and if the treatment complies with Standard of Care (they usually do), it is not an actionable lawsuit.

    Proving Psych damage – whether drugs or otherwise – is extremely difficult. The victim of the “treatments” also has a diag-nonsense to invalidate their claims, and the doctors can claim rebound and relapse and progression of illness. It’s a hard case to get heard, much less win. The best successes have been in class action, where story after story after story of the same horrific symptoms / results get heard better.

    So the next legal question: who wants to pursue a TMS Class Action? That’s not your usual “no fee up front” ambulance chaser.

    Someone who wants to work with the law might want to look at how to change “Standard of Care” as a defense.

  • I have to add, that if mag citrate gives someone the runs, I recommend using Mag Glycinate or Mag Taurate, which does not have this side effect unless you take heaps of it.

    I am also a strong proponent of magnesium baths – either epsom salts or mag chloride flakes. 2 cups to a bath, awesome attitude adjustment, very relaxing and soothing. I am due for one today. No bowel effects at all from soaking in it!

  • I’m reminded of people who are trying to quit alcohol. The number of people in AA meetings who are on neuroleptics and antidepressants – and AA actually encourages this – is quite shocking.

    Here, you want to quit this drug? Here’s another one.

    It’s a toxic mindset that “taking a drug helps” and learning to manage your own mood and problems is irrelevant.

  • This is what distinguishes SA from other peer sites.

    We try and base our protocols on 2 things:

    1. experience
    2. science (as much as possible – since the medical/pharma industry science refuses to look at what we are suffering from).

    So – much of SA protocols are based on upregulation time in neurotransmitters as wll as occupation site curves of the drug on those neurotransmitters. This is science. A broken leg takes 6 weeks to heal. Stay off it. (so is your neurotransmitter system, there is a shift in neurotransmitters every 3 weeks, it’s biologically based.)

    By comparison, many other peer sites devolve into shouting matches based on opinion – some of the opinions are more educated/learned/experienced than others, but the person receiving the advice does not know who is who.

  • Actually, the expertise is there, but the manpower is not.

    Benzo withdrawal is an especially needy group, requiring close and careful attention, and SA usually only has 1-2 moderators who are versed in it.

    It’s a shame that Benzo Buddies is a Wild West site where every Joe, Jane and Johnny have an opinion about how to approach a benzo taper – when people overwhelm our person-power at SA, and require more social support, this is where we send them. Benzo Buddies does have great social support.

  • Your standard upper middle class person is unlikely to do a global book tour. His bestseller, 12 Rules, has sold 5 million copies worldwide.

    He’s comfortable enough to check into Russia to be put into a coma, and comfortable enough to go to Serbia when that doesn’t work out.

    I don’t know many people in withdrawal who have these kinds of opportunities.

  • I’ve been meditating on what I’ve said about “nothing to be done, here.”

    And I realise I may have misspoken (and I owe a friend an apology) – that I personally do not have the fire in me to pin Dr. Peterson against a wall and blame him for all of the pain and suffering we have experienced in the name of psychiatry.

    I also know that the methods he chose – were chosen so that he could continue to work. Good on him, that he came out of this with the ability to work.

    But my experience with Surviving Antidepressants tells me that if he continues “business as usual,” that he is in for yet a greater break/breakdown. Not that I would wish it upon him, but perhaps this is what is needed for him to realise – so many things about psychiatry, psychiatric drugs, diagnonsense and “treatments.”

  • @kindredspirit – I was talking with an old friend about how when we were children, we learned tooth and claw, manipulation, how to “fight” our way to get what we wanted from our environment.

    Nobody spoke to us about the values of sweetness and kindness (sure, we heard the old chestnut about “honey instead of vinegar” but it didn’t play out in the environment.)

    Now I find I am attracted to sweet and kind people – and yet these same qualities have been so difficult to develop in my own self.

  • @Diaphenous – this is so clear.

    Thinking vs. Feeling.

    I was just thinking today, as I was writing to a friend I knew from the 6th grade. We were both “smart kids” but outcast kids, too. So we related well to one another. We took pride in being “smart kids.”

    Well in my letter to her, I thought: I no longer care if I am “smart,” I care that I am “kind.” It seems to work better.

    And in my “arguments” with friends over politics, I shocked them when I said, “You know, this stuff doesn’t really matter. All that matters is what I can do with myself, my environment, and make my path a little clearer, hopefully help people and planet along the way.” As I think about this in retrospect, I was musing, “It’s *fun* to think about these politics and power plays and things, but that’s just a thinking exercise. My heart tells me it’s not really relevant.”

    Does this echo what you are expressing?

  • Give the guy a break. It’s easy to armchair quarterback on someone else’s journey.

    Here is a man who – subscribed to mainstream beliefs and views about the drugs and psychiatry, and who is – and always has been – eager to use diag-nonsense and adhere to the DSM.

    So – when faced with his own depression, he submitted to the DSM / psychiatry / and the drugs.

    I’ve been following his benzo debacle with intensity, like other readers here, commenting on YT about his use of SSRI’s. This is the first I heard that:

    HE COLD TURKEY’ed OFF OF CELEXA in 2016!!!! OMFG, that’s the start of the benzo disaster, not 3 years later when it went “paradoxical.”

    But – if you watch his videos, he sincerely believes that he is being vulnerable with us in sharing his story. Sadly, he used drugs to get off of drugs – so his story is not as inspiring as it could be. But he is trying, and making the best use of a really bad experience.

    I would love to see him shake his beliefs even deeper than DSM, as the writer of this article implies. He has adjusted his perspective many times during his career – though, it seems (again, as Jon Sedarati implies) that he is locking down his beliefs in psychiatry & the DSM – after all – he used to be reliant upon these twisted tools for his income.

    Of course, now he is rich and famous – and doesn’t need the DSM for billing purposes. I hope and pray he can let it go, but I’m not holding my breath. But he, too, is a human, and his response to his extreme states is in alignment with where he has come from.

  • Shocking. And not a word in the article about the drugs this person has been on – likely for decades – that may have *caused* the severe syndrome to begin with. (I have no proof, but if dystonia is an issue with these drugs – and it is – then other nerve and muscular syndromes may be, too).

    They said chief cause of early deaths in “mental ill” population is due to stigma. Harumph. Again, not a peep about the debilitating drugs.

  • Yah, Marianne Demasi got canned for her Statin presentation. She was very critical of Pharma, and excoriated for it. It was like “strike three” they had warned her after they pulled the Antidepressant story. I thought I had links to vid copies of these pulled stories, but cannot put my hands on them at the mo. Demasi tweets regularly – mostly about statins.

    There is a growing “anti-drug” movement in doctors, as “bro-science” is starting to filter back up to mainstream, and keto, low carb, paleo, bio-hacking style solutions are making it clear that most of the drugs do more harm than good.

    (Nice to meet you Mik, I’m a Yank, now Australian in Brissy)

  • @Jill while brain inflammation can be caused by a number of factors – toxic use of herbicides, pesticides and industrial waste, poor (SAD) diet, sedentary practices, poor sleep hygiene, and recreational drug use –

    Your bio bio bio explanation completely overlooks the trauma that I have seen consistently in every “delusional” person I’ve known.

    Why hasn’t this “brain inflammation” showed up in the multitude of MRI studies that psychiatrists have run in order to “prove” the bio basis of “schizophrenia”?

    Inflammation – systemic and specific – is a cause of a multitude of problems. Heart disease, even cancers, and the many degnerative and autoimmune disorders. The more I learn about carbs and carb restriction, a lot of the inflammation can be reduced via diet and exercise, and even prevent neurodegenerative disorders like Parkinson’s and Alzheimers, and even MS. (Ref: Dr. Nadir Ali).

    But this overlooks the role of trauma on the mind, and how it causes adaptive and maladaptive states and behaviours which make it a challenge for these people in emergency to cope in modern society. And a bio bio bio explanation just tells them they are broken. When someone is in a state of emergency, it is difficult to tell them to “cut carbs” or go on an autoimmune or GAPS diet to reduce inflammation. (so much easier to get out the prescription pad, which just aggravates inflammation, if that is indeed a factor.)

    At this time, they need to be kept safe and listened to, and trusted, and believed, in order to build a bridge between the inner state and the outer one.

  • Mmm. “Survival of the fittest” is kind of an economic monster which has been thrown onto evolution.

    New work is coming out that shows “survival of the cooperative” is stronger than “survival of the fittest.”

    That those who join together in solidarity and mutual support are what creates the next rung of evolution. This fits well with Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, that as we develop past Survival needs (tooth and claw) and into Social (families, communities), that is where the rubber meets the road.

  • Hey Richard –

    Even if you don’t look at where it came from, it is here now, and it is killing people. In the nursing home where my mother is, 30 of the 200 residents have died. Were they all COVID? Or complications with the illnesses and challenges which put them in the nursing home to begin with? How does this number compare to “normal” nursing home deaths in this facility? We don’t get these numbers.

    But Fauci? Isn’t it strange that he has conflict of interest that he is not informing the public about. He has had stock, investment, and research time invested in developing an mRNA vaccine at least 10 years prior to now. Everyone wonders how they produced this vaccine so quickly? Well, it was already in development before this COVID thing hit. And Fauci owns stock in it (as well as research and other investment in it). Is it any wonder that he wants us all to take it? That the WHOLE WORLD will be taking this vaccine which he has financial and substantial interest in?

    People stand to profit immensely from this vaccine gig, Fauci chief among them. You rail against capitalism, and yet stand by the lies that we are being told.

    And like with any drug trial, these vaccines have only been trialled for 6 week periods – we will not see the long term effects of an mRNA vaccine until much further down the line. If you think about the “safe and effective” psych drugs we’ve been inflicted with, how can we trust something as universal as this vaccine?

    Add to it the totalitarian “vaccine passport” which is coming. Here in Australia we might be refused entry to certain venues if we cannot prove we are vaccinated. We might even need vaccine passports to cross state borders in the near future. As it is, our state borders are frequently close to people from “hot spots.” They aren’t talking about the “vaccine passports” yet, but it will effectively separate Australians into two classes: the vaccinated, and the non-vaccinated. And the former group will have the rights of a free society, while the others? We’ll see.

    It is dystopian, and the capitalist profits will be feeding the fat cats at the top, while we take the risks of injecting this vaccine into our bodies – making permanent changes to our RNA (not our DNA, we are assured) so that our bodies are more likely to reject coronaviruses.

    But that’s okay, take the vaccine, feel safe, trust the mainstream science that got us into this mess. I find it difficult to rail against psych drugs but then – out of the other side of my mouth – to praise the “science” that brought them to us, which is being used to roll out other “cures” and “solutions.”

  • Too hard to keep the website updated for current events.

    And high school daze? I don’t think so! That’s “personal information.”

    However, articles about space and science and art and music, sure, they can determine a lot from how I use keystrokes and everything. . . but that’s where I draw the line.

  • “mostly about egotism and social posturing.”

    That may be the case. I am often shocked at how many people put their children on there.

    I have to use it in order to run events. No other platform reached the people I need to reach.

    As for my personal posts, none of them are personal, political or religious. Mostly I post funny things, or useful interesting articles.

    Apparently my friends do read what I post, so I post judiciously, and ask that nobody put my face or tag me on FB.

    I tried to get out of it, but then found that I could not get my events announced any other way.

  • Yes, truth. But this human skill is not nearly as refined as our other, more “concrete” senses.

    I hear what you are saying, that to you – this is a concrete.

    But that person who “reads my mind” – still does not have my perspective. And perspective is a vital part of mind.

    It is what makes mind subjective.

  • When I have a broken finger, or a cut on my hand, there is something objective that other people can perceive. I can go to a doctor to get it fixed.

    When I have a disruption of mind, only I can see it. It is subjective, and it is not something which I do not want anyone outside of myself to tamper with. I can talk about it, I can tell someone, but only *I* can perceive what is in my mind. It is subjective. Personal. Not subject to “consensus reality.”

    My mind is certainly real. But it is only within my perceptions, consciousness, attention, and awareness. I don’t think humans have fully developed the capacity to engage telepathically and therefore perceive accurately what is in another’s mind.

    Therefore what we call “mind” is a metaphor for this direct but subjective human experience.

    Is this what you mean, Oldhead?

  • Nice work Bojana!

    It is sad to see the state of psychiatry in so many different countries. It really is a cult.

    I encourage you to think beyond your diag-nonsense. You are NOT a “Bipolar” whatever that means, you are a human who has been through certain experiences which have affected your presentation to society.

    As you walk the path to clarity, you have seen that “experts” know little or nothing about your internal life (mind, emotions, etc.) – and you will find that you have the power to change your own behaviour, your own response to your feelings and thoughts. In fact, only you have this power.

  • evanhaar – I’ve been watching the excellent BBC series “Good Omens,” written quite tongue in cheek by Terry Pratchett (RIP) and Neil Gaiman. I read the book in the 90’s, but am enjoying the movie/mini-series version.

    What stands out to me most on this viewing is that the “Sides” = “good” and “evil” are more about “delight” and “disgust” and the Angel Aziraphale and the Demon Crowley are the enlightened ones, saying, “Why can’t we all just get along?” “Why must there be a war?”

    Even the “good’ side says, “there must be a war so that we can *win*” Sigh.

    I recommend getting ahold of this miniseries and enjoying!

  • UK (and most other countries) cops’ training is less gun focused than USA cops’ training. THey get a certain amount of “political correctness” and social skills training to de-escalate situations without weapons. (of course, guns per capita in the UK public are admittedly much less)

    I’d much rather be confronted with a UK cop than an American – or even Australian – one.

  • Actually, I know a few people who were saved from doctors of psychiatry by doctors of neurology – stating that they were damaged by the drugs. . .

    It is something to consider when the drugs and “treatments” have so severely disabled you, that a doctor of neurology might be the path ***out*** of psychiatry.

    If we didn’t have to taper, we would need no doctor at all, but in today’s legal climate, buying black market drugs is a bad idea for your tapering. You need a prescriber.

  • Chiropractors – you were helped by one; I was harmed by one. What can I say?

    So – how do we determine what honorifics are “okay” and which ones are not?

    My father was about more than money. It was about his taking charge of his life and working hard. He earned it, and the respect that went with it. To reduce it to merely “poverty vs. riches” is to remove all nuance from that story.

  • Sera –

    I did not state that honorifics should or should not be used.

    i merely told stories of times they are used, and that they can have meaning – and otehr times that they are useless.

    I don’t have time or energy to address each of your concerns – but please do not put beliefs in my mouth.

    I do like your statement about recognition and celebration of accomplishment – and a bar for professional performance (which does not guarantee it, but is an indicator) without feeding the power un-equilibrium.

  • I am wondering what this is doing in MIA? What this actually has to do with psych – iatry or -ology or the suffering induced under those. I admit that those who prescribe (and the legal gateway which allows them to do so because of the papers they hold) are involved in a power imbalance – but – this article seems more political and social – or even linguistic – than is appropriate for MIA.

    So – I will tell stories. My father was the first in his family to even attend a university. His family came out of Kentucky poverty, and he was determined not to perpetuate that poverty in his own family. He grew up during the Great Depression, and remembers his shell-shocked and gassed WW1 father drinking the money that his mother tried to hide. He remembers standing in line to get shoes, ashamed that he had to beg for them. Doggedly, he pursued education, and after about a dozen years of university, earned his Doctorate in Business Administration with a specialty in Business Communication. We called him Doctor; he earned this. It was more than a piece of paper, it was his growing identity. Something which made him stand out from the pack – his family, his friends, he achieved all of this on his own.

    He worked as much as possible to pay for these degrees – a Westinghouse refrigerator factory, selling tires for Firestone, butchering chickens for his local grocer…

    Those were different times, but he worked hard for that “honorific” (as Sarah calls it), and so – we used it. My chilhood friends called him “Dr. Name,” as well as his colleagues. He was Dr. Name his entire life, and his achievements in his field never hit the New York Times or WSJ, but in our community he made a difference. He built up his faculty and developed one of the best undergraduate business schools in the state. He never got credit for it, never got called “Dean,” even though that was the last honorific he wanted. (My brother made sure that the title “Dean” got into his Obituary, to honour him.)

    Using his title “Dr.” was a way of respecting what he had been through – not only his education, but his roots and life experience.

    But those were different times.

    In my time in Bloomington Indiana – it was an appealing little town, and many people who graduated Indiana University wanted to stay and live there, even though there were only a few jobs for the highly educated. So in this IU town, there were PhD’s waiting tables and swishing toilets. Did we call the wait staff “Dr. Wait Staff”? Or the janitor “Dr. Janitor”? No, we did not. There were a lot of hidden PhD’s in that town, managing grocery stores, running call centres, selling cars, and yes, washing floors.

    In today’s society, the essentialness of a degree has been emphasized – for even simple jobs, a university Bachelor’s is minimum requirement. And the related student debt has, therefore skyrocketed. (this is a crisis of national proportions, and eliminating student debt is not something that the Powers That Be will consider, even though it is a burden that all society will bear.)

    Is it a meaningless piece of paper? Some would argue yes. But I know that my piece of paper was earned, and I am proud of it, and pleased at the opportunities it has brought me, even when I am not utilising them in the way I thought I would when I was a bright eyed, idealistic young student.

    Lastly, in this era of pandemic, I get disgusted at chiropractors who call themselves “Doctor,” when I know that their degree was probably easier than mine. In this era of pandemic, there ***is*** a difference between an MD or DO, and a practitioner who took weekend seminars to become an ND or “functional medicine practitioner.” In this era of pandemic, I do not want to take medical advice from a Doctor of Psychology (for example). In this era of “bro science” it is difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, and I am more inclined to listen to The Paleo Cardiologist or Dr. Peter Breggin than I am Pete Evans or Pam Popper. That MD is a bar, and the minimum required to leap it is an important measure.

    So – in this era of pandemic, do we wish to distinguish medical doctors from doctors of chiropractic or PhD’s in Education? I know that we are more than the letters after our name, and some of them seem to be ego stroking – but many of them are, indeed earned.

    I do subscribe to calling medical doctors that I am fond of, “Dr. Firstname” – but there are some MD’s in my life that I respect too highly to even do that. My GP is one, my osteopath (who is also an MD) is another. They are, and always will be, “Dr. Lastname.”

    Linguistics, words do matter. And there is a power differential in psychiatry as well as psychology that is frequently abused in the name of DSM and diag-nonsense.

    But to revoke all honorifics seems like a broad brush, and throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I’m with Marie – is this really vital to our society? Or would it be better to house the homeless, feed the hungry, educate those who want to learn? I’m thinking of the principles of harm reduction, where this first world problem of worrying about honorifics has much less effect than taking care of people in crisis and in need.

  • Hey Steve –

    When I talk about 3 weeks – I’m only talking about 10% tapers.

    EACH 10% taper takes about 3 weeks to adjust, and for symptoms to resolve. (and yes, it can take longer – but never shorter)

    IF you Cold Turkey – you could be talking years, for all of these 3 week neurotransmitter adjustments to take place. They “stack up” and all your dysregulated systems have to try and right the ship before it topples. In Surviving Antidepressants, we call it “Humpty falls off the wall.”

    The 3 weeks seems to be carved in stone, however, whether you’ve been on the drugs for 1 year or 10 – that there is an adjustment after 3 weeks of chemical change. This may be true of other neurotransmitter affecting drugs, like alcohol, tobacco, etc. It seems to be true of all psych drugs, whether “antidepressant,” benzo, neuroleptic, or “mood stabiliser.”

    You cannot heal a broken leg faster than you can. Likewise, when your brain has upregulated or downregulated to a drug OR A DOSE (tapering) – it takes at least 3 weeks to recover from that change.

    This may be why the label literature speaks of “resolved in 2-4 weeks” = but we all know that is a lie for at least 50-80% of people who have taken these drugs.

  • Actually, as evidenced in tapering and withdrawal – the neurotransmitters do take about 3 weeks to upregulate or downregulate from chemical intervention.

    Somewhere on SurvivingAntidepressants.org is a study which led our founder in establishing our protocols. It really does seem to be true.

    So – taking the drug – it takes 3 weeks to upregulate and adjust to the chemical intrusion. And withdrawing from the drug – it takes 3 weeks after each adjustment. (SurvivingAntidepressants recommends 4 weeks between tapers, so that these adjustments don’t stack up and throw your system into chaos. This gives a week buffer for symptoms to settle.)

    This is why “med changes” – especially the “cold switch” = are hell.

    It’s similar to the way that a broken leg cannot knit any faster than 6 weeks…it takes at least 3 weeks for neurotransmitters to adjust to these chemical changes.

    Yes, it is convenient for drug companies that this is enough time to be hooked on the drug – but that is not the only factor at play here.

  • @wonnell, have you considered that your “mental health crisis” may have been exacerbated by all those drugs you were on? And that the ECT just “mellowed it all out” a bit?

    Ativan = depressing. Zoloft, Risperdal, Trazadone = can induce akathisia, an internal restlessness that is difficult to quell. All of these drugs mess with hormones, endocrine, digestion, and sexual function. They don’t go straight to your brain, but affect many systems. The longer you are on them, the more difficult it is to “control your mood” and other weird health affects may come into play. Additionally, the longer you are on them, they may “poop out” which is likely how you ended up on this complex cocktail to begin with.

    “Mental health crisis” = the more I think about this, the more I feel it isn’t about our brains **at** **all**!!!! It’s about the ability to regulate emotions. Sometimes when we are children, emotional states serve us in order to survive, but when we reach adulthood, they no longer support and serve (quite the opposite). Bottom line: only *I* can regulate my emotional state – drugs and shocks can numb it out – but only I can actually regulate it.

    http://www.survivingantidepressants.org – a site to help people taper safely off of psych drugs.

  • Excuse me – but I refuse to go to a practitioner to “change my brain.”

    There are so many things I can do to change my own brain. Sunlight. Diet, exercise.
    Daily walks, seeing the horizon, listening to music, meditation, qigong, yoga – all of these I am in complete control of.

    When I get in your chair (I assume you, @class1quirk, are also a practitioner, like jjnoles) – that choice is taken away from me, and I am at the mercy of the practitioner.

    No, thank you. And thank you James Hall for pointing out these risks.

  • class1quirk: and so – how do you suggest one sorts out the “legitimate” practitioners from the cowboys, wild west and snake oil cures?

    Is this a job of the regulator – like FDA? AMA?

    Or is it the job of the practitioner? If this is the case – how does a “consumer” (egads) choose the right practitioner?

    If practitioner C gets excellent effects, but practitioners A and B have problems (or vice versa) – how are we to know? Where is the reporting on this?

    If you have 3 auto mechanics, and 1 of them is always breaking things – well, that’s my car, and I can take it to a good mechanic to repair the damage done by the bad mechanic.

    But my body – once you damage that – yes, it is a self healing amazing body, but – where do I take it to get it “fixed?”

    The answer is: nowhere, you have to fix it yourself, and your mileage may vary.

  • Sam – too right! I know people who have been “addicted” to their puffers since childhood, and there becomes a tendency to hit the puffer anytime one is anxious or uncomfortable. It seems that the long term consequences of the puffers is similar to any other drug use: the body acclimates to it, homeostasis sets in, and the next thing you know, you “need” the drug.

    Asthma is a huge business here in Oz, and I have wondered: what if the children were taught QiGong breathing exercises instead? Or yoga? When will it be acceptable for a GP or paediatrician to have a “breathing” specialist on staff?

    As children, we change our breathing to squelch our Shadows, our “unacceptable emotions.” (ref: Dennis Lewis, “Natural breathing.”) So there is a psych element involved in these puffers and their use as well.

    If a child learns to breathe through emotions – then they will not suffer “shallow breathing,” which leads to asthma.

    I’m not a parent, so I’ve never been through the fear of “my child cannot breathe!” and the trips to the emergency room – so – perhaps I’m not qualified to comment. But perhaps that child never learned to breathe through their feelings (without suppressing them) to begin with.

  • Too right, Sam! Can you put it back the way it was?

    It is difficult to report a treatment when, if you go to physicians, you are gaslighted into believing “it’s only your ‘illness’ which is causing these problems.”

    This is why the drugs took so long to be excoriated.

    Physicians don’t like to contradict other physicians, and declare “OMG you’ve been HARMED.” Even James Hall’s neurologist said something like, “Well, it will likely clear up, but I can’t find anything . . . ” refusing to contradict this physician referred “treatment.”

    I suspect it is brain damaging, and that the damages caused by TMS “regulate mood” somewhat. Sadly, James got the damage without the mood regulation.

  • No, they have seen the light on benzodiazapenes. AFAIK, he is still on SSRI’s, and on some sort of anticonvulsant post benzo. From a Surviving Antidepressants perspective, he still has a lot of tapering to do before he is free.

    The “Lobster” chapter of his book is about as bio-bio-bio as they come. He has a lot of adjustment to do before he accepts the nature of trauma…Daniel Mackler made a good video about this topic: https://youtu.be/GtwP6AbbAUc

    I’m working on a letter to him (and/or Mikhaila) about the dangers of SSRIs, that they can produce the SAME SYMPTOMS that the benzos caused…

    It would help if I’m not the only voice from MIA doing so. If he sees the light, we could have a powerful, popular ally. He’s not afraid to be excoriated (as evidenced by his stance on making certain pronouns required by law) – he would be an excellent ally for anti-psychiatry – IF he can let go of everything he’s ever learned.

    And I’m not sure he can, but – he believes that learning (from his 12 Rules book) is a little death, and that by letting go of the old, you are cast into chaos, and it is up to you to build a new Order.

    he has definitely been through the Chaos (I believe his chaos / order model is very black/white simplicity, but – he does have a good mind) and it is my fond hope that he can see through the lies.

  • I hear you Berzerk. I have witnessed cognitive decline in all kinds of polypharmacy. Sometimes it’s the simple “pain prescription” of Cymbalta + Lyrica. Heck, Lyrica does a number all by itself, as do the neuroleptics and tranquilisers. Then there’s the “over time” problem, taking polypharmacy for 2 years. 5 years. 10 years. Watch the brain go away. I’ve seen this happen, too.

    I’m pleased to see this information getting out there – but – a single case study? This feels underwhelming for the magnitude of the problem.

  • Ah but they can. That’s called “the algorithm. It has been shown that algorithm get way skewed and prejudiced – the prejudices of the people writing the parameters get amplified in the echo chambers of algorithms and turn into very prejudicial AI’s….

    Though – you said *one* person. It would depend on what parameters on the algorithm any one person fits or doesn’t fit.

  • Hey Teresa,

    The forum http://www.survivingantidepressants.org has moderators and members in New Zealand. Our protocols work there as well as anywhere!

    I have met some of the New Zealand moderators and members, back in the days when we might meet in person. I tried to hold meetings in my local area (Brisbane), but it was like herding cats, as everyone was too “anxious” or “having a symptom wave” to come out, meet people, and have a cuppa….

    So you don’t need to do it in person, and, in fact, it’s contraindicated – withdrawal makes it hard to meet face to face (even if there were no COVID). Have a look around the SA site, and you can help people with the information presented there.

    Be aware, however, that most people don’t want to be helped. I am an expert, thanks to the training of AltoStrata, but most people dismiss me as “just a paranoid person” when I try to warn them about how wrong these drugs are. I am not a doctor, and most folks are inclined to listen only to doctors. Even those that are psychiatrists. Ugh!

  • Rachel sez: “They know the drugs cause excessive weight gain, kidney failure, severe GI problems, heart arhythmia, diabetes and extensive damage to the brain and CNS”

    And if you go to the doctor – with a detached retina, cardiovascular problems, kidney damage, metabolic disorder, diabetes, cognitive loss, blindness, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue – practically anything –

    They won’t even CONSIDER removing the drugs that caused it.

    It’s like there’s a hierarchy, and psych drugs are at the top – if you remove the psych drugs, the person dissolves into a puddle. EVEN if the drugs are causing all the above problems. The medical doctors are in collusion with the psychiatrists in supporting their drugging regime.

  • Yes, when the WHO says “corporal punishment of children is *always* bad” I’m inclined to question.

    I have heard of tales of Americans in Scandanavian countries who spanked their children, and ended up with their children removed from their custody into foster care. Surely this, too, is an extreme?

    I can see why Peterson probably takes umbrance with this worldwide policy, as he is at the sharp end of the liberal stick at times.

    What he states in his book is nuanced. It is VITALLY important for children to have clarity and consistency, because it is the child’s job to test the boundaries at all times. If the boundary is in the same place, consistently, and there are consequences for crossing that boundary – to their level of understanding – then they will learn better. Especially if this is done from the support of love. “I love you, not this behaviour, but I love you.”

    It is the parents who sometimes say it’s okay for a child to throw a tantrum and then give them a lolly to shut them up, and then the next tantrum smacks them – that raises a confused and wild – and surely – abusive antisocial child. I’ve seen this more often than I can count.

    As for Peterson, it is my fond hope that his Dark Night of the Soul with his benzo / antidepressant withdrawal will help his great mind (and he does have an excellent, if rigid, mind) to transform and he will be able to drop his labels.

    One of his psychologist’s skills is to label everything. Diag-nonsense labels. “post-Marxist” “neoliberal” labels.

    It is my fond hope that – not that I wish anyone to suffer – his suffering will soften his heart and integrate his mind much more fully into opening.

    Perhaps, even, he is getting Iboga, or some other psychedelic treatment to facilitate this process.

  • “I am firmly against forced psychiatric drugging, but this does not mean that I also reject modern medicine and the idea of mass vaccination against dangerous viruses and bacteria.”

    How about “trust me, I’m a doctor” = ?

    Many of us in here have been as harmed by the system of modern medicine as we have by psychiatry. Some of us had physical illnesses which were written off as “psych problems.”

    While I was numbed from psych drugs, I was convinced to have 2 major surgeries which have deteriorated my health. The surgeries were skillfully performed, they did what they were meant to do (thyroidectomy, hysterectomy) – and yet – I was not given any alternatives (dietary changes, etc.). Numb from the lithium, I submitted to the medical procedures. Maybe I couldn’t have avoided them – but they were deemed necessary at the time.

    I am now very cautious about anything involving the system of modern medicine – whose protocols are developed by pharma. Remember, it’s GP’s giving out most of these drugs, or getting people started on them.

  • I just read an interesting article on communication about vaccines.

    There is harm done by them, largely swept under the rug of the “vaccine court,” and the billions paid out in claims against them only cover a few of the cases reported. It is difficult to prove that the vaccine caused harm, and yet many people believe that “things were never the same” after the jab.

    So: Those who question vaccines (“anti-vax” is a slur, and has absolutely no subtletly) are asking: “Will this hurt my child?”

    This is about communication. And so the scientists and doctors keep replying, “We need herd immunity.”

    So the first question is never answered. And the studies are not there to answer the question. The studies are about herd immunity and control of a disease, but the question of individual safety is frequently cast aside for this herd immunity.

    The scientists are not listening to the parents, and the parents no longer trust the scientists, because their concerns are not being heard or answered.

    The faster a vaccine is rolled out, the less I trust it. There were some vaccines which came out after SARS and MERS that were quite questionable.

    I’ll want to see how well it is doing before I join the herd.

  • My mother was not separated as she suffered from COVID symptoms (but they wouldn’t test her to verify).

    I have a friend in Indiana who is helping a homeless man sue the local hospital who turned him back out onto the streets, COVID positive. Hey, let’s eliminate the homeless population in one sweep!

    So – no, these protocols to “help the vulnerable” aren’t really helping the vulnerable.

  • Yes, I’ve seen the Snowdon vid. I have a story of people whose phones (in Singapore) which were OFF – blinked and text messaged “Stop talking about that.” (I think they were talking about surveillance)

    I have not disconnected camera or mic …however I do not let the phone connect to internet.

    We all have our lines. That one is mine. And so – no app for me. Likely requires internet / data connection.

    Your link to Dastyari is behind a paywall, so couldn’t see. I remember hearing the name, but not the controversy.

  • I learned more about the tracker app. It is not for warning you off an active case, but if you do test positive, they go to your phone, and have a list of every phone you’ve come into contact with in the past 3 weeks. It’s for tracing contacts (which, they are doing a pretty good job of now, without the app).

    2 million (so far) have downloaded it.

    And Boans, the next “enemy” might not be Jews (there aren’t that many here, to my knowledge). Who knows what random enemy the state will create for us? When everyone is tracked (including medicine), it could be for a gene allele, or – as Oldhead postulates, a virus caste system.

    I opted out of MyHealth. It’s my understanding that in the US, there is something similar in response to the “opioid crisis” that tracks people nationally through pharmacies. We’ve noted on SA that it’s hard to get labels dropped from your file, even after moving.

  • Oldhead, the Australian PM wants every Australian phone to carry a COVID19 tracking app, like they did in Singapore. He’s bought the app from Singapore, and wants to use it here.

    This is above and beyond the normal tracking capacity of the phone. It will Bluetooth to all nearby users and issue warnings when too close to – what? another human being? an active COVID case?

    I’m not sure how this is meant to work, but it’s evil. Pure evil.

  • I have to express delight that Maryanne Demasi is working with Peter Gotzsche!

    Her report on statins for our ABC-TV (Australia) was key in saving me from the devastating consequences of those drugs.

    Her report questioning the efficacy and highlighting the dangers antidepressants was before “Anatomy of an Epidemic” (at least in my world)

    Both shows were banned from the ABC, and Dr. Demasi has been disinvited from presenting on that platform, even though she was a delightful and challenging presenter. (The Aussie Medical Association didn’t care for her views much)

    The show where she used to present (Catalyst) is now lobbing softballs, “reality tv”with a dash of science. “Does flash-frozen salmon taste as good as fresh? Better? Let’s analyse this **scientifically!**” YAWN.

    I miss her hard hitting medical exposes, and to hear that she’s working with one of my heroes, Peter Gotzsche, is good news indeed.

    Keep up the good work Dr. Demasi and Dr. Gotzsche!

  • Hey Sam –

    I mostly agree.

    I do think that this is progress in the mind of Dr. Scott Hall, however.

    In this one thing: a disease is a permanent, disabling horror. A label that follows you all the days of your life.

    An “injury” is temporary and can be recovered from. Like Rachel said, “I was mad, but I got over it.”

    This might remove some of the harmful labels that Rachel is protesting. And people can be expected to get better.

    it’s not the final answer, but a step in the right direction.

  • Rachel: “But no doctor would ever pronounce me cured because the DSM 5 states that that is impossible.”

    Someone Else: Believe it or not, my psychiatrist actually claimed “recov’d [bipolar] disorder” on my second to last appointment with him.

    Sigh. While I call myself “undiagnosed,” I believe my medical chart says “Managed with supplements, exercise and other natural means…”

    Once you get that label, it’s hard to get rid of it.

  • Eh Boans: “We can’t have foreigners knowing that if they come here they could be snatched out of their beds and tortured for three weeks in a mental institution and it would be considered lawful? They wouldn’t come, and we wouldn’t get the opportunities that provides. Forget renditions to Egypt…”

    Foreigners? What about Cornelia Rau, an Australian Citizen who “went off her meds” and spoke German and got “rendered” to an immigrant detention centre? This was featured as part of the story in “Stateless” by Cate Blanchett. I was glad to see the Rau case get so much attention there (even if they claimed she was “mentally ill”)

    I’m pleased with the lockdown so far – but there are disturbing trends expanding the surveillance state.


    More details on the app: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/14/australian-government-plans-to-bring-in-mobile-phone-app-to-track-people-with-coronavirus

  • Hey Fiachra – I’m not picking on you, I’m more interested in how the language ended up this way –

    WTF is “High Anxiety”? ? ?

    I never heard of it before Mel Brooks. . .

    And now people whose anxiety seems more intense than “average” (whatever that is) claim to have “High Anxiety”

    Perhaps, since you are good with language, and have used this term, can describe how “Anxiety” becomes “High Anxiety”?

    This is just a little bugbear of mine, tired of hearing how everyone’s “anxiety” is superlative in some way. . . . (I know you put it in quotes – but if you were told you had “High Anxiety” what did that mean?)

    Thanks, JC

  • Thank you Steve for this comment.

    It is part of the mass hypnosis of – medicine, politics – damn near everything these days. People vote with their emotions, people react and respond with their emotions.

    I was just saying to someone today – that – in order for the hypnosis to be broken, people need to suffer. This is much colder than Anomie’s comment, it’s cruel. But it’s the truth.

    Until someone experiences the harms firsthand, we will not be believed.

    EVEN THEN, they will say, “it was a bad apple,” and not look to the system. It takes even more suffering to break that.

    I wish, Oldhead, that people reacted, responded to facts. But it is obvious that people do not. Therefore it is vital to appeal to emotions, as well.

  • It seems to be in the right direction…what I seem to understand as “harm reduction.”

    Making sure that folks have a safe place to sleep. Food to eat. Companionship. The basics of being HUMAN.

    If it costs $10k more per person to use this model – perhaps those with “lived experience” can help, as they go through the process and get better.

    I’m reminded of the old Mission model, where, you’re given a bed, helped off the street drugs or alcohol, and then given work around the Mission to help them get on their feet again…

    it’s not the answer, but it’s a start. My concern for this is that it is crying for “privatisation” if someone can make a buck doing it. . . Sigh.

  • I’ve been complaining to docs for DECADES that paracetamol / acetominophin is NOT SAFE, and yet it is the FIRST THING they give for ALL COMPLAINTS.

    I have severe osteoarthritis of the knee, in addition to back pain, and they wonder why I refuse their daily doses of “Panadol Osteo” and instead favour the occasional opoiod then the pain interrupts sleep or functioning.

    I’ve also seen evidence that acetominophen / paracetamol damages the motility of the gut – which is also tied to the dysfunctions which get labeled “ADD” and “ASD.” There are specific bacteria involved (if I have to take paracetamol, there is a special probiotic I also take a couple hours after) that this drug damages.

    “ADD” and “ASD” may not be valid diagnosis. However, there may be neurological damage which causes the behaviours and challenges that these children face. Add to it trauma, parental attention, and you get a perfect storm. But the potential for neurological or gut damage is a good reason to be extremely careful what toxins we expose ourselves and our children to.

  • I was born in the USA, but moved to Australia late in life (post diag-nonsense)…

    One of the things I love about Aussie culture (that came from the UK, I’m guessing) is how all problems can be addressed over a cuppa tea.

    Car accident? Here, love, have a cuppa tea.
    Cheating husband? Can I get you a cuppa tea?
    Grief and loss? Let’s have a cuppa tea…

    It’s not the cuppa tea so much (though I love all teas, herbal and green and black and white) – as the invitation to sit, chat, and at the end of the cuppa (or two, or three, or whatever the crisis requires), everyone is feeling better, even if the problems aren’t fixed.

    Tea is community. Sharing. Communication. A safe space for emotions. (though, tea is also a bit of “stiff upper lip,” “get it together” in some circles – but I live in hope!)

  • I like the way you think, Jane. Thank you for this.

    A 4 year program for survival of trauma and abuse (including psychiatric abuse) with a curriculum of work, tilling the soil, talking to trees, making art, washing dishes, chopping wood, carrying water.

    I think you are onto something here.

    it’s got to be less expensive than what is currently being done. It would provide jobs for laypeople (no doctors or experts, PLEASE). And it would enrich our culture immeasurably.

    Thank you for this vision.

  • @madmother13 – so what did you do?

    I liked Steve McCrea’s differentiation of:

    MEDICAL ERROR – woops, we goofed (but they never admit it – “pt didn’t respond to treatment” is usually how that gets charted)

    MEDICAL HARM – the treatments cause damage

    MEDICAL MALPRACTICE – negligence and malfeasance, which, in the case of psychiatry, is because of error (diag-nonsense) and harm built into the “treatments”

    So – I have a number of “diagnosed” friends, and once that diagnosis is there- MD’s think everything is related to psych. Perhaps they looked at your son’s cancer and thought, “hygiene.” blah blah blah.

    I have a similar issue with fat. People who are overweight go to doctor, and doctor blames everything (cholesterol, arrhythmia, pain, endocrine, fatigue, blah blah blah) on “well, if you’d just lose weight. . . . ” (gosh, Doc, why didn’t I think of that?)

    It’s a bias, a prejudice, and an unconscious one.

  • Anyone who is taking the drugs is under forced treatment – because the doctors don’t tell you – they don’t know themselves – the long term consequences of these drugs.

    I’m reminded of this, here: https://www.madinamerica.com/2020/03/iatrogenic-domino-poisoned-polypharmacy/

    Sounds like forced treatment to me. Even if it is based in ignorance and incompetence. There is no excuse. The information is out there. It’s willful, to protect those in power.

  • I loved your introduction about individuals rejecting the humbug of psychiatry.

    But I am afraid you lost me at #1: Find your purpose.

    While now, that I am in my 6th decade of life, I know my purpose (I always called it “porpoise” while I was looking for it. . . )- it took me 5 decades to get the tiniest glimpse of that.

    Belief, religion, faith give porpoise. But in the throes of distress – that is not accessible. While it may seem easy for someone on sanity’s side to say “I have porpoise,” it is impossible for those in distress. This is a big picture demand which is overwhelming. “Just find your purpose,” is a short, sweet sentence – but an impossible, unforseeable mountain to someone who is suffering.

    Is it possible to break that down into smaller, bite size chunks? Such as: find meaning for today, this hour, this moment? These moments are the things that pull someone through the distress. Big picture philosophy sounds great on paper, but is thin on the ground for practicality.

    All of your Kirist principles are good – but I also find that they are well covered by the Buddhist Eightfold path, including Right Livelihood (adhering to that one changed my health greatly for the better).

    Keeping it Real. – JC

  • I wish there **was** such a thing as “treatment options” for fibromyalgia.

    There are topical things (CBD ointments, menthol based preparations). Magnesium baths (couldn’t live without them). Fish oil, turmeric.

    But the drug options (gabapentin, pregabalin, amitryptaline, and opiates) all have their risks.

    I have a friend who has been on amitryptaline now for 40 years for pain and sleep. She was not even aware that it was really an antidepressant, and that it might be causing many of the health problems she is suffering now.

    Ive been offered all of these drugs, and have opted for occasional opiates for relief, and the non-drug options I listed above.

    To come off your drugs, see http://www.survivingantidepressants.org

  • He hasn’t been a psychiatric fan previously.

    But if you read his chapter on Lobsters, he’s big on the serotonin theory of well-being (chemical balance). He’s big on diag-nonsense and making order out of chaos. He has done private practice, so if someone presents to him in an extreme state – he speaks not of “spiritual crisis” or “cognitive dissonance” but – “psychosis” and “schizophrenia.” He believes in Bipolar and Depression. I’m unsure what he has said about ADHD – he may look to the way we school children and parent them with that one. I don’t think he is for drugging children (faint praise).

    But he does love his cubbyholes of diagnonsense – and that’s what I think he will have trouble walking away from. In that regard, while he’s not “pro” or focused on psychiatry – he does love the psych labels. They make “order” out of emotional and mental chaos.

    Maybe now that he’s being called an “addict” (in some corners) he’ll be able to rethink.

  • @Daniel Smith – there are absurdities on the left, too, who are deeply in support of psychiatry.

    They want the homeless to have “treatment,” they want their kids to have access to “treatment,” in fact, “‘Treatment’ for all!” (this is the danger with Bernie) “Equal access to ‘treatment’!”

    It is not in the best interests of the left to acknowledge that there is no chemical imbalance, that diagnosis is diag-nonsense. It just doesn’t seem “compassionate” or “progressive” enough.

    Humph and Humbug.

    To liberate from Diag-nonsense and “Treatment” is just too far for the left to acknowledge. They are too busy choosing PC language for addressing “stigma” to acknowledge that the emperor is naked.

  • I’d add: for MOST people tapering is the way off. And for Benzos, which are insidious – the microtaper seems to be the best way off.

    Yes, I’d like to know what “antiseizure” drug he is on. In Russia, it could be Phenibut which hits GABA receptors – but is more likely to be gabapentin or pregabalin. All of this, however, is a guess.

    And YES – “go have a fast detox” is NOT a good recommendaion. We have hoards of people suffering from this approach – they beg us at SA – “can I just check into hospital and get off this?” The answer is no. This will cause harm.

  • Yes, read Tina’s response. Glad to know she was involved with it – that fact alone lifts it in my esteem.

    But it’s still paper. Not the way it is run on the ground. I was excited to see Australia as a signatory. Then I realised – Boans’ story, and the sterilisation of the “disabled” is still happening here.

    BUT at least with CRPD someone is talking about it. Without CRPD it would just be happening with no oversight at all. That’s my interpretation, anyway.

  • This is a discussion I’ve had with some of the American Ayahuasca centres, who want someone to be off their SSRI’s for 3 weeks…

    I’m like – uh – that’s very questionable. If I were the Shaman I’d want them to be drug free for at least a year, preferably 2. Based on what I know about these drugs from Surviving Antidepressants.

    But when I mention it to them – they’re like, “Oh, the Medicine will take care of that. . .” and I’m like – um. Neuroemotions? Extreme physical and nervous system reactions? Akathisia – Tardive Dys-anything.

    So a little cavalier with the post drug syndrome. I was unable to convince them of the danger.