Friday, May 27, 2022

Comments by Helen

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  • Thank you Seth for sharing this important moving story, for speaking out for the rights of Gloria and Jeff, all people with mental health issues and ultimately all vulnerable oppressed people in society.

    Your observations about the lack of respect society has for “the mentally ill” and the absolute lack of rights people have, are completely true. This is such an important, but much neglected, area of human rights development.

    It is heartwarming to see that you care, but I believe that you cannot be the only person out there who does. There must be others – lawyers, doctors and mental health professionals, human rights activists/organisations, politicians even, people in authority, who would wish to do something to address this particular injustice. It is wonderful that you are speaking out and publicising this issue and it is my hope and prayer that through this, Gloria will be able to get the help she needs. How about starting a petition for her? Would that also help?

    It would be wonderful if we could establish a movement to address and remedy such injustices. It would be wonderful if people, professionals and leaders with a social conscience could network and work together to fight for the rights of the vulnerable!

    Please keep us updated about progress and developments with Gloria and let us know what we might be able to do to help. God bless you Seth!

    “Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members – the last, the least, the littlest.”

    “The test of a civilization is the way that it cares for its helpless members.”

    “A nation’s greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members.”

  • I love Joanna Moncrieff, she is a sincere warrior for justice. Many are deeply grateful for her work.

    However, I have to take issue with the title of this article. I do not believe that any of the policies, procedures and guidelines which come into being happen by chance and are “missed opportunities”, but rather, that they are deliberately corrupt and harmful stances, based on clearly predetermined vested interests and agendas.

    Nothing is opportune or happening by chance here. The drug companies are firmly in bed and in cahoots with the professional bodies, with many doctors and with the bodies who draw up the guidelines, as well as with the “healthcare” systems and the politicians. They all work together, all form part of a corrupt and sinister Orwellian system.

    Loren Mosher highlighted the corruption in psychiatry in his letter of resignation from the APA in 1998:
    Nothing has really changed since then. If anything, things have got worse.

    The creeping corruption has spread its materialistic tentacles, with increasing influence and speed. The plan – to invade our healthcare systems internationally, with a view to complete domination, colonisation and control, to such an extent that evidence based medicine is broken:

    Health care is not about people and health, but about profit, greed, social control and corruption. Some argue that it is also about the infliction of harm, illness and depopulation.

    Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime: How Big Pharma Has Corrupted Health Care

    Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption:

    Thankfully, in the midst of this sad devastation, ongoing corruption, harmful practice and injustice, people like Joanna and the Council for Evidence Based Psychiatry continue to speak out for truth, justice, health and human rights.

    However, the questions remain – precisely how and by what means are things really going to change? Those with the vested interests and the hidden agendas will not want to give up their power, money and control willingly. Will change come about when enough people finally wake up and realise that we have all been conned, when the groundswell of opinion finally shifts… I would be very interested to hear Joanna’s views about this.

  • Yes of course there should be hope for everyone and there is value in the techniques you are discussing, which might be helpful for some people some of the time.

    However, promoting yourself, your approach and techniques in this way does not come across in a positive light. You, unlike others, do not suffer from burnout. You, unlike other psychologists, have the right techniques and approaches which can really bring about change for people. You are the one who knows what is best for the clients. These sorts of statements make me wonder whether you are open to learning from others, including your colleagues.

    Contrary to what you allege, many people are helped by approaches which focus on childhood adversity and not just on what is happening in the here and now. It is unhelpful to make an either/or black and white distinction here. Many people are helped by a combination of different kinds of approaches. As psychologists we need to be flexible, adapting our techniques and approaches to meet the needs of the different people we are working with, and seeking feedback as we proceed. A one-size-fits-all approach is not appropriate. How would you work with someone who stated they wished to discuss childhood trauma?

    Psychological therapies involve helping people to help themselves. Therefore, change, when and if it does take place, should not be attributed to the therapist alone, but to the collaborative therapeutic process. This has a lot to do with a person’s willingness, ability and commitment to engaging in a meaningful process of change.

    The therapeutic relationship is also important. I would not wish to work with someone who presented their techniques as the way forward, if that was not what was going to be helpful for me. Collaborative partnerships are important, as are choice and empowerment. We all have much to learn from one another. My way is the only and best way will never win the day!

  • Thank you Michael for this thought-provoking article, which is sparking helpful discussion, sharing and networking. Your compassion, sincerity, and genuine desire to make a difference are appreciated. All the best with the project you mention, which sounds helpful and positive! Please keep us updated.

    I have long had a theory that the drugs are actually created and designed to make people more ill. Does this sound like a conspiracy theory? I hope I’m more of a realist, having seen many people over the years harmed by taking them / being forced to take them against their will. Perhaps my theory also fits with what you are describing with respect to the process your friend is going through (and many others are also going through). Sadly, the creation of drugs to make people more ill certainly fits with a profit before people mindset… My heart goes out to everyone who is struggling under the toxic chemical loads, struggling to come off them and with the effects of having taken them – effects, as you quite rightly state, and not “side effects”.

    One thing we can do to get at the truth is the listen to the testimony of former drug reps – we can search on the internet, but here are two worth listening to:

    Gwen Olsen, who was a drug rep for 15 years, says that she wants to dispel the myth that the pharmaceutical industry is in the business of health and healing:

    This rep was in the business for 35 years:

    Big Pharma exec turned Whistleblower

    Even the British medical journal now acknowledges that “evidence based medicine is broken”

    In the sad world we live, medicine and healthcare have become more about profit and corruption than healing, and the pursuit of that profit is ruthless, relentless and frightening. It’s a human rights crisis and is deeply distressing to witness. The only way forward, I believe, is to raise awareness, challenge the system and work towards the development of better alternatives, like the project you describe. There have to be better ways than the current system! We must live in hope! This is one of the great things about Mad in America. It is a forum for people to share, network, raise awareness and keep the hope alive.

    Keep up the good work and thank you for the ongoing inspiration!

  • While talking with people who experience psychosis is better than drugs, I can’t help but be sceptical.

    Most times in the system, people are diagnosed and medicated first and foremost and, as stated in this article, they hardly ever get access to CBT or any other psychological therapies for that matter, including family and art therapy. If and when they do, they tend to be referred only when the drugs “have not worked.” This is what I have observed working in the system as a clinical psychologist for the past 25 years.

    Psychiatry and drugs are always the first line of defence (or offence) and people are forced via various means into taking them, often against their will. Let us be under no illusion – the system is deeply damaging and flawed, it is set up to serve the drug companies and psychiatry (and not the service users), with psychology and psychological therapies simply the handmaidens of these dominant forces. As a psychologist, I have often felt that my role is simply to prop up these pernicious industries. “When the drugs don’t work, refer to psychology” – presumably to make it look as though the drugs are working. The recent revised NICE (or still not so nice) guidance for “schizophrenia and psychosis” here in the UK still plugs medication, medication, medication. A pharmacist informed me that people are not allowed to take fish oils unless they are also on antipsychotics. This is a system based on injustice, oppression, forced drugging, profit before people and human rights abuse. If we are honest, we will admit this and work for change, rather than colluding in any way with the current and ongoing unjust status quo. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose! Until and unless we fight for justice, nothing will ever change.

    Schizophrenia: The ‘not so nice’ guidelines – what has changed since this commentary was written?

    “Mental health services” or compliance service? – this is still very relevant!

    CBT, while better than drugs, drugs and more drugs, needs to be offered from the outset as a choice. CBT is not for everyone and there are some negative aspects to it. For example, it locates the problems within the individual, it can be patronising, over simplistic, over positive and promoted in an over-zealous way, it fails in some aspects to truly understand and honour the experience of people and to serve them adequately and appropriately.

    Annoyingly, it can also be espoused in an almost evangelical and fanatical way by its adherents and tends to have an over-inflated sense of its own efficacy and importance. It has gotten too big for its boots and tends to want to stamp on other therapies, which might be equally as effective but which have not had the massive injection of research and PR that CBT has. Let us be honest, it helps some people some of the time, or to be more precise, some aspects of it help some people, but it is certainly not a panacea!

    An industry has developed around CBT, which tends to be self-serving and self-perpetuating. The drug companies might not be directly involved, but there are certainly researchers, authors, clinicians, academics and “experts” who depend on CBT for their livelihoods. The books, the papers, the research, the conferences, the training courses… These are all linked to careers, professional prestige, money, power and egos.

    The real scandal is not what the title states, but that ongoing human rights abuse is allowed to continue in the name of “mental health care”. CBT does nothing to address this issue, it merely tinkers around the edges and pussyfoots around the main moral issues.

    The way forward is a radical shake up of the system. Eliminate the oppressive dominance of drug companies and psychiatry, make CBT and other psychological therapies more widely available and also – employ and involve more people with lived experience throughout the system, including in positions of authority. This is the only thing which is finally going to begin to shift the culture for the better, I believe.

    More honesty, humility and humanity are in order! Drug companies, psychiatrists and even CBT adherents/fanatics are not going to give up power willingly. But they will have to learn to share power and collaborate more meaningfully and effectively with the experts by experience, if we are going to really progress towards a more just, effective and inclusive system of care!

  • This initiative is so very much appreciated by many! Thank you for having the moral courage and determination to stand up for what is right and to oppose the prevailing oppressive injustice and human rights abuse which have become the norm.

    We need many more honest principled psychiatrists with a conscience, who speak the truth and aspire to moral and ethical leadership. We need a lot less who blindly follow the status quo, are more oriented towards professional standing, prestige and vested interest than human health, who do more harm than good and who continue to peddle psychiatric and drug company propaganda.

    Loren Mosher was one of the ethical psychiatrists. He showed his moral fibre when in 1998 he submitted his letter of resignation to the American Psychiatric Association:

    Psychiatry and the drug companies have been in bed together for a long time. Corruption and associated harm are now much more widespread and rife worldwide, and so this initiative is very important. Here is just one recent link about corruption and the harm being done:

    Israeli Drug Company Agrees to Pay $27.6 Million for U.S. Psychiatrist’s Prescribing of Antipsychotic Drug

    It is in the (economic) interests of most psychiatrists and the drug companies to try to continue to con us with their fake diagnoses and fake “cures” – which are not actually cures at all, but which tend to make people more sick than they were in the first place (see the above link). Psychiatric drugs are linked to: heart problems, diabetes, obesity, Parkinsonian movement disorders, suicidal feelings and behaviours, sedation and sudden unexplained death, among others.

    I would encourage people to watch this excellent documentary, which sums up the psychiatric industry (note industry and not profession) well and provides a good overview and history:

    The Marketing of Madness – Are We All Insane?

    Keep up the good work and thank you again! You are keeping the hope alive!

  • As an English clinical psychologist, I find this article unhelpful and inaccurate. It appears to be written in a way which is deliberately designed to provoke. As a practicing clinical psychologist for the past 25 years, I would like to raise my objections and state that this article seriously misrepresents my profession.

    The situation is not as the author claims and it is a pity she did not do more research before making inaccurate sweeping statements which many will find unhelpful and even offensive.

    The author may or may not be aware that UK clinical psychologists called for an abandonment of psychiatric diagnosis and the “disease model” last year. Please see this link for more information:

    An issue of The Psychologist magazine here in the UK discussed prescribing rights in 2003:

    Most British psychologists do not want to prescribe. I concur completely with the points made by Lucy Johnstone in the first and second links. Other relevant issues are raised by Jim Orford. See also the letter from Mary Boyle here:

    Contrary to the general message which is portrayed by the author, the number of prescribing psychologists are few and links between psychology and Big Pharma are also not significant.

    I have to question the motivation of the author in writing this article. Was she deliberately trying to stir up controversy? Does she have a grudge against psychologists, an axe to grind or a vested interest to serve? Was she writing for the sake of getting published? I could offer other possible explanations, but will stop there.

    To summarise: the author has seriously misrepresented my profession, clinical psychologists here in the UK do not work within the psychiatric “disease model” and the DSM, we work with psychological formulation, which is a more holistic collaborative recovery oriented model, and most of us do not want to prescribe psychiatric medication.

    Therefore, for us, this is a non-story, as well as being a serious and unhelpful misrepresentation of our profession.

  • Thank you for writing this article Michael. It is important to speak out about these matters. The issue of how psychiatric drugs can and do CAUSE violent behaviour -towards the self and others, is an important one. This needs to be highlighted, in order to counter the relentless stigmatising them and us “brain disease” propaganda, which suits and is backed by Big Pharma, psychiatry, political and other vested interests, and which can be unquestioningly presented to the public by the media.

    These interests do not care who they hurt or the damage they do to individuals and to society in the process. I believe that certain vested interests are deliberately using these violent incidents to serve their own agendas. Truth has gone out of the window and is of no concern whatsoever to them. In reality, they are the ones whose sanity and capacity to lead should be called into question!

    The evidence needs to be presented more clearly to the public, so that we can come to a realisation of the truth of the matter, the real dynamics involved and the lies we are being fed. All is not what it seems! The public needs to become better informed, more critically minded, more questioning and much less gullible.

    Here are some relevant links.

    Medication Madness:The Role of Psychiatric Drugs in Cases of Violence, Suicide and Murder, by Peter Breggin:

    Forbes Unpublishes Commentary on Medication/Violence Link

    Mass Violence linked to prescribed psychiatric medication:

    Psychology Today: Psychiatric Drugs and Violence:

    David Healy: Psychotropic drugs and violence:




    CCHR International: Psychiatric Drugs & Violence – The Facts