Tuesday, September 21, 2021

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  • Anyone think it will be easier or more fulfilling to socialize if people think you have an ill brain just like diabetes or cancer? It’s no surprise people with these diagnoses isolate. When socializing means being reminded people think what you are is an illness socializing results in suffering. Will your self esteem worsen or improve if you believe what makes you you is an illness? No wonder people with these labels feel worthless; society has yelled in their face that they are worthless. Would someone be more or less motivated to improve their life if their problems are caused by a chemical imbalance? Self induced activities and effort can’t fix what’s wrong because what’s wrong is chemicals in the brain that are fixed with drugs. Psychiatric diagnosis operate as self-fulfilling prophecies. They violate the principle of “first do no harm”

  • There is a non-drug mechanism that worsens the women’s mental well being in the story. She has whichever compilation of negative feelings coursing through her because of being mugged. When she goes to the “brain experts” and doctors they tell her, “It is because your brain is ill like cancer and therefore you need drugs to be “mentally healthy””. Essentially her being mugged is blamed on her, specifically her “ill brain”. If she had any thoughts that it was her fault (society does often blame women and people for being assaulted or abused) she now has “expert” consultation telling her yes it is your fault. Her self esteem is reduced. She has been informed she is hopeless and powerless and when the active placebo effect dissipates that feeling will hit harder.

    One effect of claiming distress is an “illness” is that people will be less likely to talk and share what is causing them distress. Telling the psychiatrist you are sad and can’t sleep will illicit the same response as telling them the sex abuse is making you sad and unable to sleep. It is a lot less distressful to remove the sex abuse part especially when the psychiatrists claims your distress from it is “your ill brain”. This creates a feedback loop where people don’t share and that makes the psychiatrists believe all those emotions and behaviors are caused by an illness. What is interesting is that in psychiatric scales measuring mental health someone mentioning poor physical health, complaining, or refusing to blame their brain are signs of worse “illness”. If anyone is a cynic it appears psychiatry considers a major benefit to be getting people harmed by society to shut up about it.

  • If alcohol, meth, and tobacco were discovered by a pharmaceutical corporation they’d all be called safe and effective psychiatric drugs and prescribed to hundreds of millions world wide by psychiatrists. People would have tobacco, meth, and alcohol imbalances and these drugs would fix it. This would be proven science because someone addicted to the drugs have chemical differences than those not taking them. Alcohol would be said to increase life expectancy because people who quit have higher death rates during the withdrawal period. Users would go around proclaiming how the drugs saved their lives and they cannot function without them. Schools, hospitals and parents would harass and even force people to take them for their own good.
    Hell this already happens with meth and tens of millions of children are coerced to take it daily.

  • This applies to all psychiatric labels at various levels.
    It’s common for people who were abused, or bullied to wonder if it was partially their fault. “What’s wrong with me that caused me to be treated this way?” Psychiatry responds with, “you have an ill brain and it is your (brains) fault.” Someone coming to psychiatry with feelings of sadness and social anxiety will be told the cause is their diseased brain. Being told what makes you you is diseased is a recipe for increased emotional suffering, and low self esteem.

    A psychiatric diagnosis tares a person down. It’s a de facto statement that the person is less than “normal” people. It Makes them hopeless, fearful, and convinces them they lack the ability and power to feel good. The result is an enhanced placebo effect when the drugs are used. Now the drugs are considered helpful solely if the active placebo effect bring the person back to their emotional state before they were convinced of their hopelessness, powerlessness and inevitable horrid future.

    This is why so many people end up being put on new drugs over and over. The placebo effect fades, the drug damage occurs, and the cause of the emotional problem is not only not dealt with but made worse with stigmatization and hopelessness. If the cause of the problems are addressed or solved during this time by natural means the benefits are assumed to be from the drugs and withdrawal enforces this believe.

  • The first link is the 9 month randomized study showing neuroleptic drugs cause around 4 time more brain loss than what occurs over an entire lifespan (note the non-drug group is a group harmed by neuroleptics and put into withdrawal during this period)
    https://www.madinamerica.com/2020/07/randomized-controlled-trial-confirms-antipsychotics-damage-brain/

    The next 3 links find neuroleptics are deadly. Over 40% of people put on the drugs died within 20 years. Overall all tobacco addicts have an increased mortality of around 85% compared to over 250% increased mortality for use of “antipsychotic” drugs
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16449697/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9926037/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3888674/pdf/CPN2013-247486.pdf

  • Imagine someone who feels worthless, powerless and blames themselves for the abuse humanity did to them. They go to a psychiatrist and the psychiatrist tells them yes you are powerless, worthless enough to make you a second class citizen and it is your brains fault. I can fix you and save you from a life of suffering if you buy my drugs. The first thing a psychiatrists does is make the patient feel worse in order to manipulate them into taking the drugs being sold. When this dawns on people, if it ever does they are now addicted to the drugs and in a withdrawal trap.

  • For 3 years psychiatry jailed and forcibly poisoned* someone by claiming they were delusional. All it took was a few internet searches and phone calls to prove the person was in fact correct. The reason this instance of abuse/torture by psychiatry is so newsworthy is because it showed that psychiatry does not first find out what is true before claiming someone/thing is delusional.

    In the news it was reported that the guy psychiatry tortured is now afraid to leave his sisters house, unable to sleep, socially distant and “depressed” because of what psychiatry with the backing of the government did to him. Psychiatry gave this guy a “mental illness” and none of the people who did it received any punishment.

    *Mortality studies find neuroleptic take several times more years off someone’s lifespan than if they smoked tobacco. A randomized brain study found in 9 months these drugs cause almost 4 times more brain loss than what occurs in an entire lifespan.

  • It also depends on what is defined as “less depressed” The symptom scaled psychiatry uses find that answering “I am not depressed and am not mentally ill” will result in someone’s score being worse for depression than the entire stated score improvement caused by serotonin drugs.

    For neuroleptic studies if someone starts trusting psychiatry, agrees they are ill and need drugs, and are now longer disagreeable with the psychiatrists they have had a larger improvement for schizophrenia than the entire stated drug benefit.

    And those studies are he most flawed in favor of the drugs contain withdrawal, active placebo/unblinding, cherry picking and other biases to make the drugs appear more effective.

  • The 20% is for studies that outright fabricated their “data”. The inability of studies to be replicated is another category. Studies being low quality and filled with flaws would be another.

    The Statin study likely defined “reduced heart disease” by a reduction in total cholesterol. It likely wasn’t able to find a reduction in mortality because taking a drug where one effect is reduced total cholesterol doesn’t necessarily mean an increased lifespan. An Analogy will show why. Taking meth will reduce obesity but also increases mortality. Drug studies typically do not look at long term effects at all or negative health effects not related to the drugs target. Research shows Statins increase the risk of dementia, cancer, muscle pain (reducing exercise), and diabetes. Those increased deaths won’t show up in a short to mid term study looking primarily had cholesterol levels.

  • Here is another description of the course of events.
    Jason is molested.
    Jason feels the molestation was his fault, feels shame and believes there is something wrong with him.
    The “expert” psychiatrist then informs Jason that there is something wrong with him and his brain is “ill” and “imbalanced”.
    Everyone begins treating him as “ill” and he feels more shame, and gets more confirmation that the trauma in his life is his fault (specifically his brains fault).
    The effect of a psychiatric diagnosis is that it tells people it is their fault. Jason blamed himself for the abuse and the psychiatrist essentially told Jason his brain was at fault.

    Considering all the reasons people don’t talk about being abused, a psychiatry label compounds those and makes it less likely they will tell people. Being defined as mentally ill reduces self esteem, self confidence, and credibility. Children get abused in part because they lack those three qualities and present less risk to the abuse of being jailed compared to adults. Labeling someone as mentally ill particularly a child as psychotic is putting a target on them for abusers.

  • A common response when it is pointed out that in the long term those who quit the drugs have better outcomes is that they quit them because they had less “illness” and quit because they recovered. This is stated with zero evidence and simply assumed because psychiatry has concluded the drugs are safe and effective regardless of the evidence.

    Anyone who bothers to think will recognize that people are more likely to quit a drug when they have a bad outcome. Less people go, “Wow I am happy and life is great now that I am taking this medication; I am going to quit the medication now.” compared to “I am miserable still and now I am fat, impaired and have stomach issues from the drug; I am going to quit it.”

    In the entire field of medicine not complying with the doctor is associated with worse outcomes regardless of the effects of the health care. All else equal we should expect that those who do not comply with psychiatry to have worse outcomes than those who do regardless of psychiatric drug effects. Yet the opposite occurs in psychiatry to such an extent that long term those who didn’t comply have normal lives and those complying are chronically miserable and die decades earlier.

    A study found that people who decided to stop taking or not to take “antidepressants” started with worse distress and symptoms compared to those that kept taking the drugs.
    http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?doi=10.1001/jamainternmed.2016.5057

  • The reason for injectable neuroleptics is to force/coerce people to take them. That was their stated purpose, to make people comply. Someone given oral drugs can choose to not take the drugs themselves. Someone being injected can’t without having to beg their drug dealer to let them.

    Everyone knows psych drug dealers can forcibly jail and drug people with no accountability. There is no consent when force and punishment are used and the person is injected by those make the threats and dishing out the punishments. Abusers use this tactic a lot “well the person I’ve been abusing didn’t tell me to go to hell while I was threatening them with overwhelming power so they consented.”

  • “Who do you think is doing the telling, and what is their method of getting so many others to do their bidding?”

    The propagandized masses are doing most the telling. Those not obeying the party line are labeled as “quacks” and get fired. It isn’t necessary that there is a group who meets up and decides who gets fired for not adhering to the propaganda enough. Instead it is an emergent process where anyone not repeating pharma marketing is ad hominemed as “anti-science” and “dangerous” which proceeds to them getting fired, and unpublished in medical journals.
    The psychiatrists who tell the world how smart they are know at some level that if they oppose the party line publicly they will likely lose their income, and social status. They lack what it takes to fight a system that destroys people and choose to follow.
    Some know full well they are psychopathic liars but they are insulated because the masses don’t bother with evidence or logic and blindly follow those deemed to have authority.

  • Jiddu Krishnamurti talks about how when someone thinks they know the answer or labels something they are now in a cognitive trap where they are hindered from learning anything new about the topic. This occurs in professionals where they think that since they went to school they know the answers and are smarter than everyone else. They’ve had their ego inflated and therefore don’t recognize the answers were taught by people with conflicts of interest.
    They’ve put too much of their ego and selfs into selling their product and to admit it was all a fraud is something most lack the courage to do. Especially when doing so will result in retaliation from their profession.

  • But if you become too happy, horny and skinny you have a brain disease called bipolar and will need some neuroleptics. It’s a gold mine selling people drugs because the other drugs you sold them “unmasked” their brain disease.
    Imagine if that strategy was employed with other drugs, “The tobacco unmasked that my lungs had a genetic problem.” “I now drink alcohol because the cocaine proved I have an illness that causes too much energy.”

  • Taking drugs because the people making money from them say so is an interesting use of the appeal to authority logical fallacy. Though it is an old strategy that was employed by the tobacco companies. 9 in 10 doctors recommend Camel (Neuroleptic’s by the way are several times deadlier than tobacco).

    Society has conditioned people to throw out critical thinking and obey. Forbes had an article about how people should not do their own research and should just do what they are told. It’s to the point where even if you show people the science they simply refuse to consider it because some authority does their thinking for them.

  • “Just as much suffering as le cox noted about expecting people who are unhappy to “leave their comfort zone.” ”

    This made me think that a major reason people are unhappy is because they are already constantly out of their comfort zone. I can see how this scenario can play out.
    Person is miserable because their shit job is unconformable.
    “You need to get out of your comfort zone more!”
    The Person then does more uncomfortable shit instead of addressing the actual issues. When the person who gave the advice see the person out of the comfort zone they declare themselves to have “helped”.

  • Mad in America had an article about how anti-authoritarians are labeled as “mentally ill.” Something similar is happening here with “autism”. People given the autism label don’t obey socially adopted and accepted biases, and opinions as much. Therefore they get bullied, and stigmatized and the results of all that results in distress. The distress with the nonconformity is then labeled “autism” and blamed on the victim. Many of the traits associated with an autism label consist of neutral things that other people dislike (not looking people in the eyes, for example).

    “intuition:
    One way to describe intuition is the internalized social expectations and assumptions your social group has installed in you. People who go against the group don’t get treated well.

    “people diagnosed with ASD tend to have more problems applying heuristics (problem-solving shortcuts)”

    The most commonly used problem solving shortcut I can think of is appeal to authority. Not following authority in school, and social interactions results in punishment which in turn causes negative emotional, education and social effects.

    Psych labels are in large part if not in full the scapegoating term people use to whitewash the abuse society constantly hurls and people.

    Sorry if I went off on a tangent.

  • “there will be a voice-over telling the audience that, “many people are being helped by psychiatric drugs.””

    This plays out in most medical journals and studies on psych drugs. Studies on a specific harm of the drug will make unsupported claims about how despite the negative effect the drugs are effective.

    It’s head shaking how frequently people will claim to have evidence showing psych drugs are safe and effective when what they really have is some unsupported claim that they attach authority to.

  • Here is a randomized study finding that 9 months of “antipsychotic” drug use causes brain loss that is 4 times the brain loss that occurs over an entire lifespan.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2761879

    Here is one that found “illness” severity and recreational drug abuse had no or little correlation with brain damage while the drugs caused brain damage. One of this studies authors was the former editor of the American Journal of psychatry.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3476840/

    This study found depending on the length of use the drugs caused an 8-20% shrink in total brain weight in primates.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15756305/

    Another study finding the drugs cause brain damage. This study was funded by drug corporations and done by authors known for putting out flawed/biased research favoring the drugs.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0101689

    The most common tactic of psychiatry is to blame the drug effects and brain damage on their victims.

  • Psychiatric “diagnosis” is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It works just like a placebo. When people are told they have a terminal illness they get miserable because of it. Just like when they are told and believe they have an ill brain and will be mentally ill for life they get miserable.

    The people around them then treat them as mentally ill resulting in stigma, discrimination, stress and social difficulties. There is less motivation to change aspects of ones life because doing so won’t fix a chemical imbalance. Instead of partaking in pleasurable or productive activities the “mentally ill” are told to go to therapy where this self fulfilling prophecy is reinforced. Talking with friends or family results in a response containing “take drugs” and “seek help.”

    The mental illness industry lies to people to make them feel powerless and hopeless and uses that fear to make people dependent on them. This goes so far as addicting people to deadly, cognitive impairing drugs that worsen outcomes. The most effective step out of this cycle is to recognize that in the medical and biological sense “mental illness” isn’t real. People struggle to do this because they’ve been manipulated to think the only way suffering can occur is if it is a brain disease. They think it is insulting if you don’t tell them they have inferior brains.

  • Neuroleptic drugs were described by psychiatry as a “chemical lobotomy” until lobotomies were recognized for what they were. This earlier description was accurate in the sense that these drugs cause brain damage to everyone taking them.

    Psychiatry when not denying/ignoring the science often claims that this brain damage is helpful. Benzo type drugs, “antidepressants” cause dementia/brain damage as well.

    Lobotomy equaled giving people brain damage and calling it medicine.
    Psychiatric drugs equals giving people brain damage and calling it medicine.

    Maybe someone else can give the term for psychiatry saying people “lack insight” and are too stupid to know that brain damage is good for them.

  • Right, like you hundreds of millions of people have been harmed by psychiatric “treatments”. Mortality data shows these drugs kill over half a million people a year. Far less will be harmed by this new drug. It can feel like a spit in the face how few care about the more massive scale destruction. However, reporting how the FDA is approving a drug for dementia when the drug corporation couldn’t even produce evidence the drug helps at all is a good thing in sending psychiatry to the graveyard with blood letting, and mercury treatments. It is harder to use appeal to authority argument of “Psych drugs are approved by the FDA so they are safe and effective” when people remember how the FDA approved a drug witliterally zero evidence of providing any benefit.

  • With certain poly-pharmaceutical combos I think there is reason to believe that it may be easier to withdrawal from two drugs at once compared to one at a time. Psychiatry often will put someone on a second drug in order to address symptoms caused by the first. A sedating drug with a stimulant or SRI. One drug causes “upper” effects while the other causes “downer” effects. This can even take the form of taking a drug that increases dopamine with a drug that blocks dopamine. These drug combos counter act each other and maybe tapering both at once will reduce some withdrawal effects. Tapering a stimulant may make people tired. Tapering the sedative at the same time may reduce this tired feeling.

    Another strategy that may help for those on drug combos is to switch which drug is tapered each time. For example someone taking a SRI and a stimulant would first reduce the SRI and then 2 weeks later reduce the stimulant. 2 weeks after, they reduce the SRI again and repeat. The person will still be in withdrawal for the same amount of time but their body will have more time to adjust to the dosage change of each individual drug before a new dosage change of that drug.

    I have no scientific evidence to suggest if these ideas help; only anecdotal accounts which may be flukes that are wrong.

  • All psychiatric studies claiming the people they label have biological defects use people addicted to psychiatric drugs. People labeled with schizophrenia were said to have a brain disease because they had brain damage, when in fact the drugs caused it. Most if not all traits associated with the “mentally ill” are things the drugs cause or increase. Including, recreational drug use, violence, brain damage, unemployment, shorter lifespans, agitation/an inability to sit still, drooling, cognitive impairment, physical gait, obesity, and so on.

    These traits caused by the drugs are then used to argue the people must have a biological problem. Technically this is true because the drugs are causing biological problems.

  • Comments on some of your listed points.

    1. An aspect of this is that you get drugs regardless of what you tell about your life. Why tell a psychiatrist why you feel miserable when they will invalidate you and tell you it is because your “brain is ill” and give you a drug either way.

    2. Blaming peoples brains also means any social, or environmental factors are less likely to be improved. Why change a social factor when the problem is an “ill brain”.

    4-5. Some response when telling people who take these drug or are suffering withdrawal that they are physically addicted is something along the line of “stop insulting me by calling my a drug addict.” I wonder how many people went to a psychiatrists just to get some stimulants or benzos because the drugs cause a high.

    6-7. It is interesting how childhood ADHD symptoms are a problem for the adults who then convince themselves and the child that drugging the child to help the adults manage the kid is “health”.

    9. This ties in with the other ones. Being labeled as “mentally ill” means people are unlikely to take you seriously, listen or consider what you say. This causes topics about your “mental illness” to be the major way to obtain social support, validation, or to be listened to.

    10. I think it would also be important to note that psychiatric drugs cause disability, cognitive and physical impairment, and unemployment. It is not just that it allows people to get disability benefits but psychiatry harms people with disability causing drugs.

    11. Psychiatry manipulates people to make them feel powerless, and hopeless. They use this to then get people dependent on psychiatry. They go so far as to get people physically addicted to drugs.

  • Does anyone disagree that psychiatrists making people feeling guilty and personaly responsible for the negative effects of psychiatrics drugs is a form of gaslighting and victim blaming?

    “Here is this drug (which I make my money from) it is safe and effective.”

    Later when the person gains weight because the drug slows down their metabolism, causes sedation, and increases cravings for unhealthy food.

    “You need to make a few $200 appointments to help facilitate a change in your eating and exercise habits because they are causing health problems.”

  • Here are a list of some of the side effects of opioid antagonists which is added to Zyprexa for this “new” drug.

    -Anxiety
    -Trouble sleeping
    -Headaches, stomach and/or muscle pain
    -Hallucinations
    -Restlessness (Who can spell akinthsia?)
    -Liver damage
    -Reduced socialization
    -Depression
    -Suicide

    In the FDA report the new drug had worse scores on the negative and positive symptoms. The lower dosage of drugs had better scores compared to higher doses.
    The people taking the “new” drug also ended up with worse blood glucose measurements.

  • In an early Chapter, Peter talked about how psychiatrists say people are delusional and psychotic if they mention that the drugs are deadly.

    Psychiatry is by definition lying and conspiring in order to get people addicted to drugs that long term only cause harm.

    Psychiatry forcibly drugs and jails people. Monitors them. Conspires to spread propaganda and attack anyone pointing out the science.

    The paranoia symptom that is considers a “brain illness” is in practice psychiatry silencing people who dissent from their dogma.

    “You feeling you are being poisoned, watched and people are harming you is a sign of “mental illness”. Take this “antipsychotic” injection now.” -Psychiatry.

    The person who at some level recognizes what psychiatry is, gets drugs that impair cognitive abilities and cause brain damage. Perfect way to silence them. It was the same strategy the USSR used for as they put it “the dissenters who were really just mentally ill”.

  • Psychiatry can jail and even drug you if you say or appear in the “wrong way”. They aren’t there to have a social relationship. They are there to decide how you need to change to fit social expectations. It is a criminal interrogation. One where you don’t get a trial. The evidence allowed is what the people making money from drugging and jailing you say.

    I remember a survey about how maybe 50% of people had thought about suicide. It seems a likely possibility that many psych “patients” are people who didn’t decide that silence is survival. Little good comes from sharing intimate details to someone in the psych cult. Massive harm is the typical result.

  • People like Peter are dangerous. If people are told the truth about the effects of these drugs the liars selling them might be sued, shunned, and become the social lepers they turn others into with their stigmatizing labels and drugs.

    The truth is dangerous for those benefiting from the lies. But the truth can’t set us free while the liars have power. That is why a major aspect of psychiatry is to take away its victims credibility and power.

  • If they admit that what they falsely label as an “illness” doesn’t have any biological explanation it would lead them to understand they aren’t practicing medicine. That they’ve been selling stigmatizing and pessimism causing falsehood. Few people will admit they helped cause hundreds of millions of people to become physically addicted to deadly drugs based on self serving lies.

    Their social, egotistical, and financial status are more important than the people they pretend caring about.

  • A benefit in a study over placebo can occur due to any number of flaws in the study.

    All psych drugs cause a wide range of physical effects such as dry mouth, stomach issues, headaches, sedation, stimulation and so on. Because of this they cause an active placebo effect. Irving Kirsch in his review reported on research finding that 78% of patients and 88% of psychiatrists knew who was taking the drugs. Psych studies use subjective measurements done by the psychiatrist (who has a conflict of interest) to determine benefits.

    Almost every single Psych study utilizes a withdrawal design where they take people currently on the drugs and withdrawal half to create the mislabeled “placebo” group. Psych studies pretend harm caused by the drugs are benefits. Looking at the Ham D depression scale this becomes obvious because someone gaining weight, or believing they are “mentally ill”, or having the same health symptoms but reporting them less to medical professionals have a larger “benefit” than the entire reported drug benefit in flawed short term corporate studies.

    According to Psychiatry AD’s help the person by making them fatter, lowering their self esteem, and getting them to shut up about their complaints.

  • The long term research shows that psych drugs do cause the positive and negative traits marked as schizophrenic. Your comments show one evidence based way the drugs cause them.

    What I am tired of isn’t you posting the same science over and over. I am tired of society ignoring it because they don’t want to face the monster they created. You’re one of the rare humans doing good and actually working to solve the problem.

  • It’s not even just that few care about the damage done by psychiatry. It’s that they blame and attack the victims with it. Having family members tell you to take more psych drugs, even when you’ve told them the harm they’ve caused you, and shown them the long term science, is beyond my desire to describe. “Do I need to call to get you psych-hospitalized?” Is a death/torture threat, even if the family member refuses to see it for what it is.

  • The “anti-stigma” campaigns do reduce stigma which can be parsed from your, Rebel’s and Patrick Hahn’s comments. These campaigns reduce stigma for the people pressuring and forcing people to take psych drugs. Stigma is reduced for the family members and friends who interact with the “ill, dangerous, crazy people, who need to be drugged.”

    The most insidious aspect of this is that people wrapped and reformed in the psychiatry complex have internalized this. One common response when I show people taking psych drugs the research showing the drugs only have negative long term outcomes is a variation of “you’re stigmatizing me.”

    They’ve been bullied if not forced/coerced to take these drugs. They started taking the drugs in part because they were stigmatized and bullied to (examples include coerced hospitalizations, the phrases “seek help” “they’re off their meds”, schools, medical offices etc). Any attempt to quit them causes stigma. I know this first hand. My drug withdrawal was easy. I was the most productive, social, happy and healthy I had been in years. Even then the harassment because I stopped taking the drugs was hell. Many of those taking psych drugs transfer the stigma, harassment and discrimination caused by psychiatry onto the anti-psychiatry messenger.

  • Psychological therapy may help some people. The problem is that the research finds it mostly has clinically insignificant benefits. In a meta analysis that tried to include unpublished studies, the effect size for psychological therapies benefits for depression was .39(1). For reference Irving Kirsch found the effect side for short term “antidepressant” use in heavily biased/flawed corporate trials was .3(2). The improvement recorded for psychological therapy for depression comes out to around 2 points in the Ham D scale. For reference saying you are mentally ill is a 2 points improve the. Having the same emotions and problems but telling them to the psychiatrist less is also 2 point improvement.

    Therapy according to the research is pretty much pointless. If people wanted to spend their time and money doing it that would be one thing, but our society pressures people into it. Our society even forces some people to do it. If someone doesn’t do therapy or stops they get stigmatized for it. A common response if you tell someone therapy didn’t help is a version of “therapy can’t fail, only you can”

    A study found that giving people the money therapy costs improved their emotional well being more than therapy.

    There are several reasons to believe the studies are bias towards showing therapy is helpful.
    1) There are likely more unpublished studies not included
    2) You can’t unblind talk therapy. This accompanied with subjective outcome measures means the studies contain an active placebo effect.
    3) Harms are not measured or looked for.

    (1) https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0137864
    (2) Mad in America’s “the people’s case against antidepressants” has this meta analysis in the beginning.

  • I agree For most social connection is very important for emotional well being. Psychiatry and talk therapy in many ways make social connection harder.

    Being professionally marked as having a defective brain, where you are considered so dangerous you need less rights than criminals makes people want to avoid you. People believing you lack insight because your brain is broken means they are less likely to listen, consider your opinion/feelings, or view you as an intellectually valid human being.

    Being told to “seek help” and “take drugs” by friends and family prevents connection from happening in the first place. It also discourages future connection because doing so can result in being called ill, and being told you’re the problem. It is also not safe to talk because you can be forcibly drugged and detained based on your thought.

    The drugs also reduce socialization. The main purpose of stimulants is to make kids stop socializing and playing and get them “working” In the Ham D depression scale someone who stops sharing and telling the psych about their negative mood, even if the mood is the same, has a larger benefit than what the most pro-drug flawed studies claim the short term benefits of the drugs are. Neuroleptics cause massive sedation and impairment.

  • Why talk about how life is so shitty it’s making you miserable when the “expert” will simply tell you it is all the fault of your brain and give you drugs?

    It is less painful to avoid being gaslit and victim blamed and not share the environmental factors bothering you. You’ll get the same drugs either way.

    I think a lot of psychs don’t recognize that they’ve conditioned people not to tell them their life problems. This then reinforced the myth that it is caused by a faulty brain because the environmental factors are actively avoided.

  • I remember reading an article about a psych resident suggesting a suicidal homeless women who had been repeatedly raped take some SSRI’s to help her depression. Psych has conditioned everyone to blame environmental factors on defective brains that need a chemical fix. No wonder suicides are increasing. The drugs won’t fix the actual problem and when the problem occurs again the person feels even more hopeless, shamed and defeated.

    The reason men have higher suicidal rates is because men use guns more for their suicide attempts. Women are actually more likely to attempt suicide but their methods are less likely to cause death.

    Somehow men using more deadly methods of suicide has been blamed on men not talking enough.

  • The results of talking about your own suicidal thoughts are dependent on the culture and person you are revealing them to. In our modern society the most likely result is you are pressured/coerced to take deadly drugs that worsen outcomes and you get stigmatized as mentally ill and dangerous.
    The most common response is being told do get addicted to drugs followed by being treated differently.

    Talking about suicide isn’t helpful when doing so is likely to cause the people around you to make your life worse. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. You reveal suicidal thoughts and people’s behavior causes more stress and emotional suffering.

  • Many people who’ve gotten ahold of their psych records note how they are filled with misinformation, and insulting diatribes. I don’t know how common that is but I wonder if an effective way to get people to stop holding their psych as a well intentioned informative expert is to have them get ahold of their records. Don’t even have to phrase it as anti-psych can just say “seeing your entire records can help facilitate improving your mental health.l

  • The subjective opinion on how kids should behave and feel while adults info dump them 7 hours a day can’t be under or over diagnosed. It’s purely an opinionated label. It would be like over diagnosing how many people have brown hair because blond hair is “superior”

    If a parent told their kid every day they were were mentally inferior and forced fed them meth they’d go to jail, unless of course a psychiatrist also tells the kid he/she is inferior and needs to be addicted to meth. Maybe some day society will recognize that telling young kids they are mentally defective, with diseased brains based on adults wanting the kids to sit down and shut up while being lectured 7 hours a day is harmful to everyone.

  • I didn’t know that asking for a class of water after being electrocuted meant “mental illness” was improved. If someone were to piss in someone’s mouth they’d probably also ask for a glass of water afterwards. Psych denies all harms, or even pretends harms are helpful (brain damage, memory loss, sedation, cognitive impairment, weight gain) while they insist that someone asking for water after being electrocuted means electrocution helps people.

  • Nutrition surveys and food consumption data suggests that around 10% of Americans eat the minimum recommended amount of fruits and vegetables per day. It’s abnormal to have a healthy lifestyle in most economically advanced nations. Though it’s probably also normal to vastly overestimated how healthy ones lifestyle is. I think one trait that might be more prevalent amongst people who get a psych label is that they for what ever reason don’t hide and deny their distress as much as others. (I remember seeing a survey where most of people had contemplated suicide).

    In Europe where there is less poverty, economic insecurity, and work weeks are shorter, people live longer, eat healthier, and spend more time soothing the soul with joyful activities compared to America. One reason for this is because America has accepted more of the psych dogma that people’s problems are caused by an inherent defect instead of being caused by environmental and social factors. Eating healthy is more likely to be blamed as a personal problem of “control” in America and therefore the idea that people would eat healthier if they had a better environment isn’t adequately considered. Europeans eat healthier because their society recognizes that in order to take care of your health you need the time and social support to do so.

  • The studies don’t even measure symptoms but simply a subjective “relapse”. Once some one relapses because of withdrawal they are relapsed for good in the study. If a person relapses a week after abrupt withdrawal but from years .5-2 have half the symptoms as those on the drugs who don’t relapse they are still considered worse off. Imagine if we used that research method for other things. “Alcohol addiction saves lives. Budweiser studies finds those in placebo get seizures, anxiety, and die at higher rates.” “Tobacco is a safe and effective treatment for depression and lethargy with no negative health effects because Marlboro study finds placebo is worse.” Placebo of course being a group addicted and abruptly withdrawn from the drug.

  • In depression scales used to measure the effectiveness of these drugs complaining about physical symptoms is marked as “mental illness”. It doesn’t matter if you have those physical symptoms complaint less is a sign the drug “works”. Not Mentioning you feel sad is also marked as less “depressed” even if your level of sadness is the same.

    The long term data shows these drugs make people’s mental health worse. I’d say it’s not that the drugs make people not care; it’s that the drugs in effect silence them from verbalizing their suffering.

  • When I think of medical care I think of police coming to the door and hauling people off against their will. Nothing makes people feel happy, safe and have better lives than being given less rights than a criminal and being forcibly jailed and drugged. Being jailed for several weeks or months is a sure bet to improve your economic and social life. The bills from the ordeal will help you pull yourself up from your bootstraps. You’ll be less afraid and more social because at any time police can come haul you off because psych said you are biologically dangerous. The beatings improve morale. /snark

  • These studies suffer the same flaws as other psych studies.

    Since 1/4 of people get prescribed the drugs in 3 months that means some of the people in the non drug group in these studies likely had been on the drugs before and are suffering withdrawal.

    The drugs also cause many physical effects that are noticeable. Over 80% of people in these trials know who is taking the drugs because of this and therefore an active placebo effect occurs.

    Opioid corporations claimed their drugs were safe and effective by using biased/flawed short term studies with the same flaws as psych studies. Low and behold when long term studies and data was done opioids are not safe or effective for chronic pain. Just like how long term studies of psych drugs find the drugs worsen outcomes.

  • “Not blindly accepting our dogma is stigmatizing for the people we insult by calling them mentally ill/defective.” -Psychiatry

    “Don’t listen to these people because they are mentally ill, and therefore crazy, lack insight and dangerous .” -Psychiatry later showing cognitive dissonance is alive and well.

    “You are mentally ill for life and can’t recover without buying our drugs.” -Psych

    “We don’t want to scare people from buying our drugs by telling them the effects of the drugs and that they do not really have an illness. Scaring people is wrong.” -Psychiatry recognizing that scaring people is bad only if it means less social status and profits for psych.

  • I had the same experience. I secretly quit the drugs because they did not help. After a while of dong great I told everyone it was because I quit the drugs. The response was to pressure and harass me to start taking the drugs. Suddenly random things I was doing was assumed to be because I was “ill” and needed drugs. I got yelled at in public because my diet was too healthy. Here I thought I had accomplished something by eating healthy but my family saw it as a sign of “illness” that needed to be controlled. The response to me getting upset for being harassed was that I needed to start taking the drugs again.
    It’s made me form the opinion that telling people you quit the drugs is not a mentally safe thing to do. Even if you show them the research showing the drugs have no long term benefits there is a good chance the will deny it. Not believing psychatry is according to psychiatry a symptom of mental illness and psychosis. That is flat out what their scales state.

  • It is insidious. They lie that their victims are ill and then give them drugs that cause illnesses. The drug induced illnesses are then blamed on the victim. When I’m with people taking psych drugs who complain about their physical or mental health it elicits this weird emotion. I know the cause and fix for their diabetes, heart disease, cognitive decline, and inability to be happy and so on but they refuse to even look at the evidence and research. Psychiatry told them they can only listen to psychiatry and that they are too “mentally defective” to understand research.

  • The psych students would be high status members of the cult. If they don’t recognize the professional does nothing but hurt people before spreading the cult they’ve already lied and caused massive harm. Most don’t have the courage to admit it so they go on in denial pretending they are saviors. This is pretty easy since almost all of society agrees with the cult, and lavishes high status members with wealth and power. Speaking out against cult dogma results in retaliation which is further deterrence.

    It also resembles how gangs initiate new members by having them commit a crime. Psych does this with family and friends by telling them to coerce people on drugs. A family member who has done this has to either stay in denial or admit they hurt their loved ones.

    People directly harmed by psych have the same pressures. They can accept they were conned into hurting themselves and then suffer withdrawal, further stigmatization and harassment for quitting the cult or they can maintain denial.

  • The irony of the justified mocking of Trump calling every piece of information he doesn’t like “fake” and everyone reporting it a vast variety of insults is that those “debate” strategies are the go to for society.

    When Trump said if we don’t test for Covid it won’t exists, he got rightfully mocked. When psychiatry does the same thing it is “medicine” and anyone pointing it out is “causing stigma” and being “anti-science”. Hell even when negative effects are tested for and found with psych drug use, pointing them out is “shaming people” and being “dangerous”

  • The Harrow study finds negative outcomes on all measures for those using the drugs (those with mild “illness” who took drugs end up with 50% worse outcomes than those with severe “illness”)
    Moshers 1978 study found in the long term those taking drugs spent more time in the hospital, had more “symptoms” less employment and poorer outcomes.
    Carpenters study found those taking the drugs were discharged later, and had a 45% relapse rate at 1 year compared to 35% of those not taking drugs.
    Nancy Sholer’s 2016 review claims these 3 studies do not find negative outcomes from neuroleptic drugs. The conclusion of this review was that there was not evidence that neuroleptic had long term benefits or harms.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4907881/

    The Wunderink long term withdrawal study finds that at 7 years long term recovery rates are over 2 times higher for those withdrawn from the drugs. I have seen multiple meta analysises claim this study shows neuroleptics improve outcomes. This is done by cherry picking the abrupt withdrawal data and only using that.

    Flat out lying in front of everyone’s faces.

  • Margaret Singer has several main characteristics of cult indoctrination.
    -Keep members ignorant about what is going on with aid from a behavioral change program designed to get them to commit more to the cult. First it’s therapy then 1 drug then 2 then 3, then a “hospitalization”.
    -A sense of powerlessness is installed (essentially the result of all psych labels and proclamations that people are ill and sick for life)
    -dependency is formed and the environment is controlled (for psych this extends to literal drug addiction, and “hospitalized camps”)
    -Manipulation and a system of rewards and punishments that change people’s social identity.
    -Create a closed system of thinking impervious to criticism, logic or evidence. Dissent from the cult is punished and discouraged (patients are slandered as “lacking insight” forcibly drugged/jailed, psychiatrists get fired if they dissent)
    -The cult members blindly follow leaders who have inherently higher status than the other members.

    If this were a psychiatry “diagnosis” 4 out of 6 of these traits are needed to be diagnosed as a cult. The treatment would be large amounts of cognitive impairing deadly sedating drugs. Forced if need be.

  • It is possible to tally the yearly deaths caused by psych drugs.
    Neuroleptics increase all cause mortality by over 250%.
    Serotonin drugs increase it by 54%
    Benzodiazepine type drugs increase it by 63% (9% more than those who were put on Serotonin drugs).
    Stimulants are as deadly as the above drug.
    A rough estimate using the increased death rates with the age of users finds psych drugs kill around 500,000 people a year in America alone.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3888674/pdf/CPN2013-247486.pdf

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2017.00275/full

    https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j2941

  • The PANSS scale used by psychiatry can result in someone scoring psychotic if they score a 5 out of 7 for their grandiose, hostile, and suspicions disagreement with psychiatry. This scoring is actually slightly higher than the mean score for those labeled with “schizophrenia.” Get the lowest rating possible for delusions, conceptual disorganization and hallucinations and you can still be scored as more psychotic than the typical person labeled with “schizophrenia”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_and_Negative_Syndrome_Scale#Positive_scale
    https://www.psychdb.com/_media/psychosis/panss.pdf

  • It is also destructive socially. Being professionally labeled as a dangerous, insight lacking disease with a defective brain who needs less rights than normal people isn’t conductive to a decent social life. Any complaint someone with these labels makes can be blamed on their chemical imbalance. They lack insight so what they say isn’t viewed for what it is but rather as something a defective brain would say. Any “bizarre” behavior such as walking outside at night can be construed as suicidal and result in the cops coming to lock you up.

  • Taking the increased death rate from psych drugs and the age of users we can say psychiatry kills 500,000 people in America each year. The average psychiatrist kills more people than the largest serial killers. Psychiatrists have delusions of grandeur, show paranoia that every one is dangerous, hallucinate demon like “chemical imbalances” , maintain their delusions regardless of being proven wrong, and show bizarre behaviors such as forcibly drugging kids with meth. Clearly they have the brain disease called schizophrenia and need a double dose of neuroleptics. Of course that is according to the standards of psychiatry, which are garbage.

  • Because people who mention that the drugs have no long term benefits and only cause harm are stigmatized, fired, censored, and/or slandered. There is a price that is paid by those speaking truth to power. Few people will take that price, especially when they’ve been initiated into the group, or are using defective brains as scapegoats.
    How many people have told or pressured someone they cared about to “to seek help” or “take drugs”? In order for that group to admit psychiatry causes only harm they’d have to recognize the harm they did.
    When the options are scapegoat defective brains, or be retaliated against for admitting psychiatry with your aid committed horrid atrocities, people will usually pick the former. They will defend it mindlessly and abusively because avoiding guilt is a powerful motivator.

  • Meth addiction is good for you if a 5 minute subjective questionnaire done by someone selling meth to you finds your answers prove you have a brain disease.

    Responsible meth dealers help their patients fill this quiz out before selling them drugs. Moral meth dealers tell their customers the drugs are safe. If their customers quit they remind them the withdrawal means the drugs are effective.

    Meth dealers who are praised by society sell their meth patients some sedatives when sleep troubles, anxiety or irritability occur. They are sure to say that the deadly sedatives are good because the patient has a brain disease.

  • One “anti-stigma” campaign showed us what the real goal was. It had people wear shirts with labels. One persons shirt had “bi-polar” her sisters shirt had “sister” The goal is to objectivity those labeled with “mental illness” to reduce stigma for everyone else. One result of this is to make people feel better if they force and push the objectified on drugs.

    In psychiatry forums saying someone is mentally ill is helping them. Saying they are not defective and don’t need deadly drugs is stigmatizing them. In psychiatry stigma means preventing “the mentally ill” from accepting they are less than every one else.

  • A victim who is viewed by everyone else as too stupid to know anything, who therefore can’t be believed, who is an easy scapegoat for everyone, who has had their power removed, is the best kind of victim for the bully. A silenced person who won’t be listened to because they are “mentally ill” has less risk for the bully.
    Psychiatry insults their “patients” as mentally defective, stupid and lacking insight because it makes it harder for the victims of psychiatry to fight back and get justice. It makes it easier for a society to pressure and force people to get psychiatric services. Dehumanizing people makes it easier to force treatment on them because society believes they need it for “their own good”.

  • Psychosis like all psychiatric terms and labels are mostly subjective and depend what is assumed as “correct”. For example in the PANSS psychosis scale someone can be labeled psychotic for disagreeing with psychiatry and being too hostile towards the psychiatrists. Hostility to people proclaiming you get less rights than criminals because you are stupid and mentally defective sounds like an expected response. Though I lack insight so what do I know?

    Back in the day slaves and racial minorities who didn’t agree they were inferior races were labeled as psychotic. Women who got upset about being treated as mules also got labeled as mentally ill. Regardless of intent, psychiatry silences people. It turns those silenced into easy targets for bullies and criminals. Society recognizes this truth considering a common arguing tactic is to tell someone they are off their drugs, and/or mentally ill.

  • “You lack insight and are too stupid to know what is good for you so we are going to give you brain damage and cause cognitive impairment.” -Psychiatry.

    “Lack insight” is a euphemism for “won’t blindly obey psychiatrists and pay them money.”

    In fact in psychiatries PANSS psychotic scale you can be labeled psychotic simply for being hostile enough in your disagreement with psychiatry. Anyone know the definition of a death cult?

  • In the HAM D depression and PANSS psychotic scales psychiatry uses to measure mental illness complaining about your health, or physical symptoms is a sign of mental illness. The solution of course is more psych drugs. If the SSRI gives you headaches/stomach problems/physical symptoms it means you are mentally ill and need more psych drugs. Also if someone is concerned about their health and goes out of their way to be healthy it is also a sign of mental illness.

    In the PANSS psychotic scale you can be labeled psychotic simply for disagreeing with psychiatry strongly enough with hostile tones in your disagreement.

  • According to this study electrocuting brains to induce brain damage increases suicide by 31%. If you want to see what “informed consent” in psychiatry looks like view the conclusions of this study where it ignores the data and claims ECT is no different on the measure of suicide than people not getting ECT. 2 plus doesn’t equal 5 but 131 equals 100 if you have the insight of psychiatry. This is why they don’t want patients to actually read the research in its whole.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32205732/

  • A common quote goes, “it is not paranoia if they really are out to get you.” Almost all of those labeled as paranoid schizophrenics can one up that with, “it is not paranoia when they already got me and millions of others and almost no one cares.”
    Psychiatry forcibly jails people and then forcibly drugs them with disabling drugs that take 20 years off a lifespan. Drugs with effects occurring in about half of users that are described as torture. The Soviets in fact did torture people with the same drugs. Luckily for psychiatry anyone pointing this out can be insulted as “mentally ill” and ignored/drugged.

  • The most well known direct death associated with deaths of despair is opioid deaths.
    Opioids parallel psych drugs near perfectly.
    Opioid drug sellers lied and said the drugs were safe, effective, and non-addicting. None of those were true; long term studies show opioids do not improve pain and likely worsen pain. The drug manufactures coordinated with doctors to push and sell the drugs. Those who refused to get on board were said to be stigmatizing and hurting people with pain. Doctors salaries where linked to making sure they prescribed opioids for pain. Arguing with the science (short term studies designed by the drug sellers to make the drugs look good) resulted in getting insulted or worse.

    The pain was often blamed for negative effects opioids, and more drug prescriptions followed. When negative effects of the drugs were subtly admitted the resulted was another drug to instead of removing the causative agent. Those taken off the drugs went through withdrawal and either needed to go through loads of suffering or keeping taking the drugs falsely labeled as safe. The major difference between psych drugs and opioids is psych drugs don’t get people high with pleasure before addiction kicks in.
    It might be effective to bring up the similarities between opioids and psych drugs when trying to inform people.

  • Exactly.
    Here is some of what psychiatry measures to determine if their drugs improve depression.
    Each change bellow is a 2 point improvement
    gaining weight
    agreeing you are ill and defective
    fidgeting less with hands and hair
    Look irritable instead of apprehensive
    No longer occupied with health
    No longer has moderate complaints about physical symptoms

    The drugs in the most biased studies with half a dozen major flaws that make the drugs appear better record a 1.5 point improvement. The studies that release the weekly data show this improvement only occurs in the beginning of use. The withdrawal group (falsely labeled as placebo) has the same relapse rate in weeks 5-6 as the drug group.

    https://dcf.psychiatry.ufl.edu/files/2011/05/HAMILTON-DEPRESSION.pdf
    https://www.madinamerica.com/2018/03/do-antidepressants-work-a-peoples-review-of-the-evidence/

  • The first Prozac trials gave people benzos to deal with the agitation, sleep troubles and anxiety caused by serotonin drugs. It’s now standard for psychiatry to give people drugs that increase serotonin followed by a neuroleptic which blocks dopamine and serotonin. It is exactly like taking cocaine to get up and opioids to get down.

    It also goes the other way as well. Give them neuroleptics followed by stimulants or serotonin drugs to address the effects of the first deadly drug. When the drugs cause akinithsia and TD you’ll get some more deadly dementia causing drugs with zero long term benefits.

    Tobacco should have went the psychiatry route. “People have tobacco deficiencies. Studies show tobacco users have biological differences and illness. We have 6 week studies showing tobacco is safe and improves energy, happiness, and productivity. When people with tobacco deficiency disease quit tobacco their symptoms come back and they suffer. Anyone saying otherwise is anti-science, shamming sick people, and being dangerous.”

  • “All good children” by Catherine Austen is another science fiction book with a story revolving around the wonders of drugging people “for their own good”

    The Plague Dogs by Richard Adams is a fiction about two dogs who escape a medical research lab. One of the dogs was subjected to a lobotomy type mutilation. The dogs in the book can be viewed as representing how society treats those who are labeled as mentally ill.

    One flew over the cuckoos nest is good book which needs no explanation.

  • I was unable to find the full text of the study, however I found the publication summary.
    People whose brains were electrocuted had 31% higher suicide rates. This increase was labeled “statistically insignificant” despite the study having a large sample size. Apparently if a psych treatment increases suicides by 31% all you have to do is call it insignificant and the harm disappears*.

    The authors allude to comparing Electrocuting brains with other psych “treatments”, if true ECT in this study could find it increase suicides by 31% on top of the 200% plus increase caused by psych drugs. It would also be good to see specifically how they adjusted the data based on whatever various factors they decided to adjust for.

    * The study says that the CI is .96-1.96. This essentially means there are probabilities that ECT changes suicide by -4% all the way through increasing it by 96%.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32205732/

  • If you do have a mind of your own you’ll likely be stigmatized as “anti-science”, “lacking insight,” and “dangerous”. You’ll be pressured to go to psychiatry for “treatment.” When you complain about anything you won’t be taken seriously because you’re mentally ill and off your drugs so it is automatically your fault.

    What’s to be alone when I’m a disease?
    It’s no longer home if you set it aflame
    In the fire my brain gets the blame
    You act like I’m a game to control.

    Passed out again with wine on your face
    I ask to be treated as if I was human
    How could I be fine with a reply of no?
    I’m a ghost in death and in this place
    But I heard you blame the bottle on me

    Still with love that is ready to forgive
    For the muscles I can no longer control
    And the headaches exacting their toll
    Yet with wine you yell “take those pills”
    Since even my ghost you want to kill.

  • Facts and logic likely won’t get someone out of an opinion that facts and logic didn’t get them into.
    This especially applies when the facts and logic show the person has caused massive suffering and harm.

    Schools and parents should teach kids about logical fallacies. A major problem is that most discussions devolve into repeating the same logic fallacies over and over. But then adults wouldn’t be able to easily use those logical fallacies to control the kids.

    Psychiatry initiates family and people by getting them to coerce “mentally ill” people to take drugs and “seek help”. This is exactly what gangs do when they initiate new members by having them commit a crime. These initiated people can’t exit denial when they see facts and logic about how psychiatry causes only harm because they helped perpetuate psychiatry on others. It is either admit they got conned into poisoning and stigmatizing their loved ones, or flail with logical fallacies, and ooze self righteous anger at the messenger. Maybe an effective strategy is first addressing people’s guilt. How to do that is beyond me at the current moment though.

  • Anyone who actually practices “first do no harm” wouldn’t slap on a stigmatizing label that serves as a self fulfilling prophecy of doom.

    A major issue with forced “treatment”is that it causes all treatment to contain force. A patient that can be locked up and drugged against their will at any time does not have the autonomy and power to provide consent. If someone physically harms someone else to get them to do something and threatens to do it again unless that person abides by their dictations there is no consent if the harmed individual does what the abuser says in the future. This is especially true when the abuser is backed by the government because the victim has little to no recourse or ability to fight.
    The horror of forced treatment touches all because it makes all treatment coerced. How many people take psych drugs or go to therapy because they in part fear being forcibly hospitalized? One is too many, and there are many.

  • “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” -Jiddu krishnamurti

    @Steve M.
    It is common for groups to sit and do nothing when someone else is bullied. The authorities will often proclaim they don’t care who started it and will punish both people when the victim fights back. For whatever reasons many people blame the victim and identify toughness and righteousness with the perpetrator. The bully humiliates their victim and that humiliation makes the victim appear unlikable to others. In our society people’s circumstances are blamed on themselves. In another forum certain people would harass a certain commenter. When i pointed out this behavior other people would attack me for “stirring up shit and derailing the conversation.” I was eventually banned for calling out bullying.

    Abusive people gain their power by getting bystanders to identify with them, and to dislike the victims. Psychiatry utilizes the same strategy by proclaiming that it’s all the fault of “defective brains” that make people so dangerous they need less rights than criminals. A reason psychiatry flourishes is because it gives everyone involved a scapegoat. A scapegoat that appears unlikable because of the abuse constantly heaped on them.

  • The Soviets had a similar “mental health” system as our current American one. In the Soviet Union psychotic and delusional people who openly opposed the Soviet “Utopia” were fixed and treated with neuroleptic drugs. The American system is more subtle where those who don’t appear happy, productive and properly sociable under the American “utopia” are fixed and treated with the same drugs.

    Neoliberalism is influenced by the Protestant Prosperity gospel which started in Europe. The prosperity Gospel basically states that the rich are blessed by god and the suffering masses are sinners being punished by God.