Saturday, April 10, 2021

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  • A victim who is viewed by everyone else as too stupid to know anything, who therefore can’t be believed, who is an easy scapegoat for everyone, who has had their power removed, is the best kind of victim for the bully. A silenced person who won’t be listened to because they are “mentally ill” has less risk for the bully.
    Psychiatry insults their “patients” as mentally defective, stupid and lacking insight because it makes it harder for the victims of psychiatry to fight back and get justice. It makes it easier for a society to pressure and force people to get psychiatric services. Dehumanizing people makes it easier to force treatment on them because society believes they need it for “their own good”.

  • Psychosis like all psychiatric terms and labels are mostly subjective and depend what is assumed as “correct”. For example in the PANSS psychosis scale someone can be labeled psychotic for disagreeing with psychiatry and being too hostile towards the psychiatrists. Hostility to people proclaiming you get less rights than criminals because you are stupid and mentally defective sounds like an expected response. Though I lack insight so what do I know?

    Back in the day slaves and racial minorities who didn’t agree they were inferior races were labeled as psychotic. Women who got upset about being treated as mules also got labeled as mentally ill. Regardless of intent, psychiatry silences people. It turns those silenced into easy targets for bullies and criminals. Society recognizes this truth considering a common arguing tactic is to tell someone they are off their drugs, and/or mentally ill.

  • “You lack insight and are too stupid to know what is good for you so we are going to give you brain damage and cause cognitive impairment.” -Psychiatry.

    “Lack insight” is a euphemism for “won’t blindly obey psychiatrists and pay them money.”

    In fact in psychiatries PANSS psychotic scale you can be labeled psychotic simply for being hostile enough in your disagreement with psychiatry. Anyone know the definition of a death cult?

  • In the HAM D depression and PANSS psychotic scales psychiatry uses to measure mental illness complaining about your health, or physical symptoms is a sign of mental illness. The solution of course is more psych drugs. If the SSRI gives you headaches/stomach problems/physical symptoms it means you are mentally ill and need more psych drugs. Also if someone is concerned about their health and goes out of their way to be healthy it is also a sign of mental illness.

    In the PANSS psychotic scale you can be labeled psychotic simply for disagreeing with psychiatry strongly enough with hostile tones in your disagreement.

  • According to this study electrocuting brains to induce brain damage increases suicide by 31%. If you want to see what “informed consent” in psychiatry looks like view the conclusions of this study where it ignores the data and claims ECT is no different on the measure of suicide than people not getting ECT. 2 plus doesn’t equal 5 but 131 equals 100 if you have the insight of psychiatry. This is why they don’t want patients to actually read the research in its whole.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32205732/

  • A common quote goes, “it is not paranoia if they really are out to get you.” Almost all of those labeled as paranoid schizophrenics can one up that with, “it is not paranoia when they already got me and millions of others and almost no one cares.”
    Psychiatry forcibly jails people and then forcibly drugs them with disabling drugs that take 20 years off a lifespan. Drugs with effects occurring in about half of users that are described as torture. The Soviets in fact did torture people with the same drugs. Luckily for psychiatry anyone pointing this out can be insulted as “mentally ill” and ignored/drugged.

  • The most well known direct death associated with deaths of despair is opioid deaths.
    Opioids parallel psych drugs near perfectly.
    Opioid drug sellers lied and said the drugs were safe, effective, and non-addicting. None of those were true; long term studies show opioids do not improve pain and likely worsen pain. The drug manufactures coordinated with doctors to push and sell the drugs. Those who refused to get on board were said to be stigmatizing and hurting people with pain. Doctors salaries where linked to making sure they prescribed opioids for pain. Arguing with the science (short term studies designed by the drug sellers to make the drugs look good) resulted in getting insulted or worse.

    The pain was often blamed for negative effects opioids, and more drug prescriptions followed. When negative effects of the drugs were subtly admitted the resulted was another drug to instead of removing the causative agent. Those taken off the drugs went through withdrawal and either needed to go through loads of suffering or keeping taking the drugs falsely labeled as safe. The major difference between psych drugs and opioids is psych drugs don’t get people high with pleasure before addiction kicks in.
    It might be effective to bring up the similarities between opioids and psych drugs when trying to inform people.

  • Exactly.
    Here is some of what psychiatry measures to determine if their drugs improve depression.
    Each change bellow is a 2 point improvement
    gaining weight
    agreeing you are ill and defective
    fidgeting less with hands and hair
    Look irritable instead of apprehensive
    No longer occupied with health
    No longer has moderate complaints about physical symptoms

    The drugs in the most biased studies with half a dozen major flaws that make the drugs appear better record a 1.5 point improvement. The studies that release the weekly data show this improvement only occurs in the beginning of use. The withdrawal group (falsely labeled as placebo) has the same relapse rate in weeks 5-6 as the drug group.

    https://dcf.psychiatry.ufl.edu/files/2011/05/HAMILTON-DEPRESSION.pdf
    https://www.madinamerica.com/2018/03/do-antidepressants-work-a-peoples-review-of-the-evidence/

  • The first Prozac trials gave people benzos to deal with the agitation, sleep troubles and anxiety caused by serotonin drugs. It’s now standard for psychiatry to give people drugs that increase serotonin followed by a neuroleptic which blocks dopamine and serotonin. It is exactly like taking cocaine to get up and opioids to get down.

    It also goes the other way as well. Give them neuroleptics followed by stimulants or serotonin drugs to address the effects of the first deadly drug. When the drugs cause akinithsia and TD you’ll get some more deadly dementia causing drugs with zero long term benefits.

    Tobacco should have went the psychiatry route. “People have tobacco deficiencies. Studies show tobacco users have biological differences and illness. We have 6 week studies showing tobacco is safe and improves energy, happiness, and productivity. When people with tobacco deficiency disease quit tobacco their symptoms come back and they suffer. Anyone saying otherwise is anti-science, shamming sick people, and being dangerous.”

  • “All good children” by Catherine Austen is another science fiction book with a story revolving around the wonders of drugging people “for their own good”

    The Plague Dogs by Richard Adams is a fiction about two dogs who escape a medical research lab. One of the dogs was subjected to a lobotomy type mutilation. The dogs in the book can be viewed as representing how society treats those who are labeled as mentally ill.

    One flew over the cuckoos nest is good book which needs no explanation.

  • I was unable to find the full text of the study, however I found the publication summary.
    People whose brains were electrocuted had 31% higher suicide rates. This increase was labeled “statistically insignificant” despite the study having a large sample size. Apparently if a psych treatment increases suicides by 31% all you have to do is call it insignificant and the harm disappears*.

    The authors allude to comparing Electrocuting brains with other psych “treatments”, if true ECT in this study could find it increase suicides by 31% on top of the 200% plus increase caused by psych drugs. It would also be good to see specifically how they adjusted the data based on whatever various factors they decided to adjust for.

    * The study says that the CI is .96-1.96. This essentially means there are probabilities that ECT changes suicide by -4% all the way through increasing it by 96%.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32205732/

  • If you do have a mind of your own you’ll likely be stigmatized as “anti-science”, “lacking insight,” and “dangerous”. You’ll be pressured to go to psychiatry for “treatment.” When you complain about anything you won’t be taken seriously because you’re mentally ill and off your drugs so it is automatically your fault.

    What’s to be alone when I’m a disease?
    It’s no longer home if you set it aflame
    In the fire my brain gets the blame
    You act like I’m a game to control.

    Passed out again with wine on your face
    I ask to be treated as if I was human
    How could I be fine with a reply of no?
    I’m a ghost in death and in this place
    But I heard you blame the bottle on me

    Still with love that is ready to forgive
    For the muscles I can no longer control
    And the headaches exacting their toll
    Yet with wine you yell “take those pills”
    Since even my ghost you want to kill.

  • Facts and logic likely won’t get someone out of an opinion that facts and logic didn’t get them into.
    This especially applies when the facts and logic show the person has caused massive suffering and harm.

    Schools and parents should teach kids about logical fallacies. A major problem is that most discussions devolve into repeating the same logic fallacies over and over. But then adults wouldn’t be able to easily use those logical fallacies to control the kids.

    Psychiatry initiates family and people by getting them to coerce “mentally ill” people to take drugs and “seek help”. This is exactly what gangs do when they initiate new members by having them commit a crime. These initiated people can’t exit denial when they see facts and logic about how psychiatry causes only harm because they helped perpetuate psychiatry on others. It is either admit they got conned into poisoning and stigmatizing their loved ones, or flail with logical fallacies, and ooze self righteous anger at the messenger. Maybe an effective strategy is first addressing people’s guilt. How to do that is beyond me at the current moment though.

  • Anyone who actually practices “first do no harm” wouldn’t slap on a stigmatizing label that serves as a self fulfilling prophecy of doom.

    A major issue with forced “treatment”is that it causes all treatment to contain force. A patient that can be locked up and drugged against their will at any time does not have the autonomy and power to provide consent. If someone physically harms someone else to get them to do something and threatens to do it again unless that person abides by their dictations there is no consent if the harmed individual does what the abuser says in the future. This is especially true when the abuser is backed by the government because the victim has little to no recourse or ability to fight.
    The horror of forced treatment touches all because it makes all treatment coerced. How many people take psych drugs or go to therapy because they in part fear being forcibly hospitalized? One is too many, and there are many.

  • “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” -Jiddu krishnamurti

    @Steve M.
    It is common for groups to sit and do nothing when someone else is bullied. The authorities will often proclaim they don’t care who started it and will punish both people when the victim fights back. For whatever reasons many people blame the victim and identify toughness and righteousness with the perpetrator. The bully humiliates their victim and that humiliation makes the victim appear unlikable to others. In our society people’s circumstances are blamed on themselves. In another forum certain people would harass a certain commenter. When i pointed out this behavior other people would attack me for “stirring up shit and derailing the conversation.” I was eventually banned for calling out bullying.

    Abusive people gain their power by getting bystanders to identify with them, and to dislike the victims. Psychiatry utilizes the same strategy by proclaiming that it’s all the fault of “defective brains” that make people so dangerous they need less rights than criminals. A reason psychiatry flourishes is because it gives everyone involved a scapegoat. A scapegoat that appears unlikable because of the abuse constantly heaped on them.

  • The Soviets had a similar “mental health” system as our current American one. In the Soviet Union psychotic and delusional people who openly opposed the Soviet “Utopia” were fixed and treated with neuroleptic drugs. The American system is more subtle where those who don’t appear happy, productive and properly sociable under the American “utopia” are fixed and treated with the same drugs.

    Neoliberalism is influenced by the Protestant Prosperity gospel which started in Europe. The prosperity Gospel basically states that the rich are blessed by god and the suffering masses are sinners being punished by God.

  • It is a chicken and egg type situation. Psychiatry in part prevents society from solving issues such as poverty, pollution, discrimination and so on. It does this by labeling those who are suffering as “mentally ill”. The result is that poverty isn’t viewed as the problem, it is the impoverished people’s defective brains that needs “fixed”. A common comment on the topic of homelessness is that homeless people are “mentally ill”. What this comment does is transform the problem from a lack of housing to defective brains. A lack of housing is solved by providing housing; “mental illness” is “solved” with drugs and electrocutions of gray/white matter.

  • I can’t speak for anyone else but it may in part be a strategy in order to get people to consider the discussion and look at the evidence. The common response from people if you go and present science research showing psych drugs have no benefits is being bombarded with insults. People won’t even look at the evidence or consider entering a discussion unless you give enough lip service to their mass willful ignorance.

    I’m not sure this lip service is at all effective but I understand people utilizing it. I tried various forms of changing how I presented the science in order to get people to objectively look at it. I’m now of the opinion that it has little to do with how it’s presented and more to do with people’s inability to admit they are wrong and have caused harm.

  • When I first heard one of my friends committed suicide it was hard. Later I discovered the research on how every major psych drug more than doubles suicides, and how they cause akathisia which my friend had. I cried daily for two weeks, racked with guilt that I hadn’t discovered the research earlier and saved him.

    I proceeded to go around mental health forums posting the research as a form of catharsis. Many people were helped including myself but for the most part the responses were insults, lies and logical fallacies followed by censorship. Turns out being pro-science to most people is defined as ignoring the evidence and covering up with illogical assumptions. Many people also view it as stigmatizing if you do not tell people they are mentally defective. It is a brave new world, drugs, conditioning, biological classes and all.

  • But there isn’t evidence neuroleptics have even short term benefits for psychosis. Studies claim so do so by claiming withdrawal means the drugs are good, or that sedating and disabling someone is a “benefit”. Those who want to claim disabling and drugging some one into a coma like state is a good thing, need to be up front that their idea of a benefit is social control and silencing people.

  • It’s not that thinking is bad relative to feeling it is that essentially they are the same thing with different labels. There is little structural different between “I think this will cause harm” vrs “I feel this will cause harm” The major difference between the two is that “feeling” is considered less of an absolute truth. It is less likely to close the mind for this reason. Thinking contains all the biases that are present in feeling without the opened mindedness that comes from what is implied when something is labeled as a feeling.

    Labels have the power to direct the discussion. Psychiatry understands this power when they label their drugs and electrocutions as “evidence” or “science” based. They are pretending their motivated feelings are factual thoughts because doing so shuts down critical analysis, and further discussion. Labeling something as thinking over feeling does the same thing. It presumes it is objectively based and accurate. It is harder to discover the truth or correct an error when the false and inaccurate concept is attached to objectivity.

  • Anyone in the health field who says something negative about psychiatry is putting their money where their mouth is. People get fired for doing so. Peter Gøtzsche the author of the post/book chapter was fired from the Cochrane Institute because of it. He’s been slandered as a result of him pointing out that the science shows psychiatry only causes damage. He has spent almost a decade writing about the dangers and lack of benefits from psychiatry. I’m not sure what else he could do.

  • A major effect of Psychiatry is to blame the struggles of life, and societies atrocities on those struggling and their “defective brains”. Psychiatry hinders the ability to improve society, provide real support, and reduce poverty because it blames those things on their victims. Correcting the lies of psychiatry aids in improving everything else. It is stupid and infuriating but our society operates on authority. Mental health professionals have some of it when it comes to mental health. Therefore, I’d argue they are most effective correcting harmful lies in the area they have some authority in.

  • What we see as a bug others see as a feature. Besides selling drugs and giving psychiatrists the mirage of being real doctors, blaming “chemical imbalances” provides a scapegoat. One where those pointing out the fabrication of chemical imbalances can be waved off as “shamming genetically/mentally/biologically ill people.” It’s a brave new world where labeling someone as inherently defective to get them to take deadly addicting drugs is considered supporting them.

  • American conservatives throw around a phrase called “virtue signaling” Essentially it means doing something that doesn’t actually help but makes it appear you are being helpful and are a good person so you can assuage the guilt of not taking any substantial actions. That is what psych is about; allowing people to appear helpful so they won’t feel guilty. Allowing people to blame a mythical “chemical imbalance” so they don’t have to change horrible aspects of society. Allowing people to say “go get therapy” so they won’t feel bad about refusing to listen and provide social support.

  • Intelligence and education has several double edge sword aspects. The more “intelligent” someone is the easier it can be for them to come up with convincing lies and bullshit to support their original opinion. If their original opinion occurred because the “expert” educators who they paid $100,000 said so this will more likely to occur. It doesn’t feel good to realize 4-8 years of education and money was essentially just you buying a snake oil sales slot.

    Getting a high level of education can have the effect of increasing arrogance, particularly when that education is in a field that is hero worshiped such as the medical one. When a psychiatrist says someone lacks insight/is stupid for not agreeing with them a contributing factor to this response is their inflated ego. “How dare this loser question me!”

    Intelligence and education can have disastrous results if the person never learned how to spot and avoid logical fallacies and has replaced an open mind/modesty with a sense of hero like self importance/righteousness. Though malice is a factor as well. The problem with society today is that the most likely response if you show some one a bunch of research and facts that oppose their opinion will be logical fallacies, and unsupported claims for why the research can be completely ignored.

  • Turns out most people when confronted with the fact the drugs they lied and said were safe and effective caused permanent damage and daily pain prefer to keep lying and handing out those drugs. It is easier to do this if you insult anyone pointing it out and blindly claim your victims lack insight because their brains are ill. Their censorship, invective and crocodile self righteousness comes from the weakness of their position.

  • There’s good reason why people harmed by psychiatry tend to avoid doctors, and medical establishments. 1) Psych labels cause a large increase in medical errors for those labeled. 2) A “respected medical group” causes massive harm which is proved by the research and society doesn’t care. It is a standard defense strategy to become skeptical and distrusting, of those who not only ignore the suffering done to you but perpetuate it on others. 3) In psych physical, health and other complaints are considered signs of “mental illness.” For minor issues it might not be worth it to go tell them to a doctor who might proclaim they are because you’re mentally ill and should take some psych drugs.

    You pointed out how disrespectful it is to not ask someone why they are upset and just assume they have a biological problem. I agree, however I think another scenario can be even more wrong. Patient: “I feel sad, fearful and can’t sleep because (insert any horrid thing occurring in life)”
    Doctor: “Oh, well you feel that way because your brain is defective. Here are some deadly addicting drugs to fix you.”
    I wonder if a lot of people do not share what is upsetting them because they don’t want to be further insulted and blamed for their emotional response to horrible shit. The major result either way will be a psych label, and drugs. This would also apply to sharing with family and friends.
    “Hey, mom/dad when you insults me it makes me unhappy.”
    “Son did you take your drugs? You know you lack insight and this is just your illness.”
    In practice one effect of psychiatry is to silence people. To stop them from complaining. Interestingly psych mental illness scales consider complaints to be a sigh of illness that needs to be eradicated with drugs. In the HAM depression scale someone no longer complaining is considered to have had a larger improvement then the total drug improvement in the most pro-drug biased short term studies. Flat out psych says that in effect silencing someone is a good thing.

  • In practice one effect of the false biological brain defective cause of mental illness is to remove blame from parents, the environment and society. Some of the most fanatic pro-psych people are parents precisely because psych tells them they aren’t at all to blame and instead it’s their child’s defective brain that is the problem. Then they pressure and force their kids to take the drugs because those in authority tell them they should. They blindly accept that their kids lack insight and therefore insist they keep taking the drugs.
    When they see that the long term research finds the drugs only make things worse they have two choices, denial and continuing course, or accepting that their questionable actions caused harm.

    It reminds me of how gangs initiate new members by having them commit a crime. It’s the sunk loss fallacy in action. In order to get out you have to confront, accept, and deal with the consequences of what you did. It’s much “easier” to deny it, and pretend you’re a self righteous victim of anti-psych science deniers shamming you. It is much easier to do that if you hurl insults at the messenger. It might be easier for people to reject psych if the blame can be transferred to the lying psychiatrists. If they can come to know that guilt doesn’t go away when it is denied. It only ends when it’s is dealt with and atoned for. Alas I’m not sure how to facilitate that.

  • Serotonin drugs do and can cause akathisia. Benzos in the short term mask akathisia by causing sedation, however in the long term they all cause akathisia. Akathisia can easily be mistook for anxiety. The “treatment” for anxiety includes benzos, or neuroleptics which cause and worsen akathisia in the long term. Turns out treating the effects of one deadly addicting drug with zero long term benefits in any study with another addicting deadly drug with zero long term benefits is a recipe for disaster.

  • First he took serotonin drugs, they didn’t actually help so he took benzos, they didn’t work so he took ketamine. When the first serotonin drug was approved the clinical trials also gave out benzos. This was done because serotonin drugs cause anxiety, agitation, irritability, and sleep problems. People mindlessly assume chemical altering drugs can’t have negative effects because those selling the drugs say so. The result is those effects are considered their illness and require more drugs. Those new drugs cause negative effects which are again assumed to be an illness that requires more drugs. Round and round the person goes until they are drugged to death, stop complaining, or decide to taper off the drugs. If they tell people they are quitting, withdrawal is falsely claimed to be their illness returning and they are pressured and sometimes forced to take the drugs.

    Another missed opportunity was Peterson not elaborating that his later problems where caused because he kept taking more deadly illness causing drugs to address the effects of the current deadly drugs he was addicted to.

  • How can one be completely included in society when society views you as mentally/biologically defective based on your suffering? Those labeled mentally defective are by definition separate from “normal” people. Racists assume blacks/minorities are genetically inferior just like psychiatry assumes those who suffer are. Can a black person be completely included amongst racists who fanatically believe the black person is inherently inferior? If not why would it differ for other groups claimed without evidence to be genetically inferior?

    Mentally ill labeled people can be jailed (hospitalized) and forcibly drugged without a trial, defense or the committing of a crime. Society has made them second class citizens with less rights than violent criminals. It is not surprising that people in that group aren’t included and struggle socially.

    According to psychiatry those with mental illness lack insight. Put more bluntly this means mentally ill people are too stupid to comprehend and know anything. They can’t even know if a chemically altering deadly brain damaging drug makes them feel worse or not. How does one have a meaningful relationship with someone who automatically assumes what you feel and say is wrong because a questionnaire resembling a vapid Facebook quiz finds you suffer?

    Social relationships are a two way street. Psychiatry convinces families and friends that they need to hide and avoid having meaningful discussion with mentally ill labeled people because it will upset them. There’s lots of academic discussion about how social media is detrimental to mental well being because posters only choose to post the good in their life. This occurs with mentally ill labeled people because others refuse to share the negative aspects of their lives with them.

    Psychiatry has convinced society that being a good family member and friend consists of making sure those labeled mentally ill are taking drugs, and going to therapy to be reminded that they are mentally defective (all forms of “therapy” where your thinking is claimed to be wrong and the cause of your suffering so let’s correct it take this route to some extent). When you yourself and/or others are told and believe you are defective it will cause social anxiety and a desire for isolation. Therapy then tells you your thinking is wrong and stupid and needs fixing. A reason therapy has little to no recorded long term benefits in quality studies is because it mostly reinforces a major cause of the anxiety.

    For those who are labeled mentally ill is a bit difficult if not near impossible to be fully included in the community, and have deep meaningful social relationships with people who mindlessly accept psychiatry.

  • They already have deadly drugs for painful psych drug induced diseases such as tardive dyskinesia, and Akinithsia. These drugs work in the same way psych drugs work. Drug companies did short term studies loaded with pro-drug biases such as the placebo group being in withdrawal, the drug group being unblinded, multiple instances of cherry picking, and hiding of negative effects/data. The drugs marketed for TD cause sedation, and cognitive impairment which psychiatrists pretend helps so they can avoid their guilt. Though there is a good argument that the purpose is to sedate and impaire people so that “normies” don’t have to deal with them. Just like psych drugs long term studies find these drugs have no benefits. In fact cogenten maintenance does worse than cogenten withdrawal. Yet the deadly dementia causing drug is still given.
    Psychiatry resembles an opioid or alcohol addiction taking meth. It gives out one deadly addicting drug with zero long term benefits and then hands out another deadly drug that has opposite effects because the first caused harm. Any serotonin or stimulant with a neuroleptic, benzo, or other sedating drug is an example.

  • Psych doesn’t just ignore any personal experiences that disagree with their interests, they flat out insult, stigmatize, and forcibly drug/hospitalize those whose experiences don’t fit with their dogma. Anyone who has a psych label should be aware that a common response if people know they do not take psych drugs will be increased stigmatization, insults, and blame. They will be pressured and/or harassed if they don’t take them drugs. If they refuse anything bad that occurs will be blamed on their refusal to use the drugs.

  • According to psychiatric measurements of psychosis (PANSS) you disagreeing with psychiatry so adamantly, and being so hostile towards psychiatrists means you are psychotic and need to take neuroleptic drugs to fix your defective brain. Since you are mentally ill you are dangerous and they can with the aid of the police throw you in a hospital and force the drugs on you.
    Psych supporters flat out say that It is very stigmatizing if we do not tell people they are genetically/biologically/mentally defective and are second class citizens. Psychiatry is working very hard to reduce discrimination and stigmatization by insulting and drugging more and more people.

  • In science studies done by people selling tobacco, people who have been taking tobacco for decades and quit have higher cancer rates than those who keep using the medication. There are more cancer deaths in tobacco deficient people during years when they do not take tobacco*. Tobacco reduces cancer deaths.

    *I’m going to end my snark and explain this. There are psych drug studies where they claim someone who takes the drugs for years-decades and quits counts as “non drug.” In these studies someone taking the drug from age 25-45 counts as 0 deaths on drugs over 20 years. If they quit because the drug caused heart disease and they then die from a heart attack 2 years after quitting it counts as 1 death off drugs over 2 years. The drugs can now be falsely claimed to save lives and extend lifespan!
    This fallacy is called the healthy user bias. People in poorer health or who are hurt more by the drugs are more likely to quit the drugs. Contrary to what psych says the people quitting do so mostly because they have not improved or the drugs caused harm.

  • The measurements used in psych studies to determine “improvement” are subjective personal reports not only from the users but the psychiatrists making money off the drugs.

    In depression scales used for psych drug studies a person gaining weight has achieved more benefit than people taking the drug. The psychiatrist reporting the person fidgets less has achieved more benefit than those taking the drug.

    It is also interesting how many of the measurements consist of how much the person complains. In essence if the drug silences someone by causing mental decline psychiatry considers it a benefit.

  • The opioid crisis is very similar to psych drugs. The drug companies hid negative data, they lied about the drugs being addicting, they paid doctors to push the drugs, their “effectiveness” came exclusively from short term data, people who pointed out negative effects were sidelined/insulted, the drugs were given out like Halloween candy, non drug treatments were ignored, and so on. A major difference is that psych drugs kill more people.

    It might be effective when telling people about how psych drugs are a massive net harm to remind them of how the opioid madness went.

  • When a psychiatrists says you have a chemical imbalance and an illness it is a euphemism. What they really mean is, “I want status, money and won’t admit the harm I cause so I am going to give you drugs that cause a chemical imbalance, damage the body and brain and of which give you an illness.” It is the sunk loss fallacy. In order to stop harming hundreds of millions of people they’d have to admit their whole adult life consisted of lying and hurting people. In America alone psych drugs kill a rough estimated 500,000 people a year (neuroleptic increase death rates by 200-300%, serotonin drugs by 50%, stimulants by 75% and bensons by 60%).

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28903117/
    (SSRI increase mortality by 49%, stimulants by 75%, older lesser used drugs are less deadly than then more commonly used newer ones)

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16449697/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3888674/pdf/CPN2013-247486.pdf
    (Neuroleptic increase mortality by 200-300% in all groups)

    https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j2941
    (Bensons increase mortality rates by 9% over similar people who take serotonin drugs)

  • If you are tired, unproductive, and/or sad you have a tobacco deficiency in your brain. This is scientific fact because tobacco deficiencies cause lethargy, poor, productivity and sadness. Let’s put you on Camel cigarettes which are evidence based to improve your life. They are non-addicting, anyone saying otherwise is a toxic nutcase and should be cut out of your life. It takes 6 weeks of daily use to receive benefits. If Camel cigarettes don’t work fully we will switch and try Marborlo tobacco for 6 weeks. If that doesn’t fully restore your mood or if you get anxious and have trouble sleeping we will maintain the cigarettes and add another medication called alcohol. Now pay me $200 for the visit, another $500 for the drugs, and come back in a month for another $200 15 minute visit.

  • Neuroleptic drugs were originally reported as “good” because they caused sedation, and made the crazies easier to handle/control. Stimulants are helpful by definition because they get kids to sit down and shut up.

    In psych drug measurements complaining about drug effects, health, and so on is a sign of illness and requires more drugs.

    The fact that psychiatry in whole causes people to socially isolate, avoid the medical system, reduce socialization, and become stigmatized is a feature not a bug. Just like how they describe brain damage from the drugs and electrocution as “healing”. It’s healing in the sense that the patient is less capable to complain and can be ignored.

  • “People who use deadly addicting drugs need help. We need to insult them by dishonestly saying they are biologically defective in order to sell them our own deadly addicting drugs.” -Psychiatry

    The most commonly used drugs for depression increase all cause mortality by about 50%. Stimulants given to kids for not enjoying school increase death by 75%. Those are the “safer” psych drugs. It is safer to be a heavy alcohol drinker than taking one psych drug. Though of course that is what the research says and going by what the research says makes one anti-science according to psych supporters.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28903117/

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109717379986

  • Many people subjected to psych hospitalization become paranoid. I can’t imagine why someone who is monitored all day, insulted (all mental illness labels are insults), threatened with forced drugging and jailing (this is always a threat because it can and is done) and lied to over and over by psychiatry would make someone paranoid. Though technically they aren’t paranoid they have insight and recognize people are out to get them. In fact, they already got them.

  • It doesn’t occur to people that taking a kid to a “professional” and telling the kid it is because they are “mentally/biologically defective” is counter productive. Fake it till you make it, or this case society tells you what you are and makes it.

    When what someone needs is social support, connection, and relationships doing the above is providing the opposite. Our society now considers telling people, “seek professional help, and take drugs because you’re ill/defective” as being a good friend/family member.

    It Doesn’t feel good when the response to sharing your suffering is a bunch of insults. Feels worse when you’re guilted because you have decided deadly drugs and $200 talk sessions where you’re told your thinking is stupid isn’t a beneficial use of your life.

  • We have to forcibly jail all people with athletes foot. Tell them they are dangerous and defective. Later when their lives aren’t up to par it will prove that they are dangerous and defective.

    In physics observing a particle changes the particle. Jail, drugging, and slandering someone as defective is a touch more than observing. Psych is a self fulfilling prophecy. Where the proclamations aren’t predicting the future they are creating it.

  • When Psych studies claim a group with a psych label is “drug free” what they mean is the person was once addicted to the drugs but at the current date is no longer taking them. These studies claim someone who is in the middle of withdrawal is “drug free” and therefore all differences are caused by the “illness”. Some will claim someone who took the drugs for decades and has been off them for a few months is “drug free”.

    Tobacco companies should have tried this dishonesty. “See the person in tobacco withdraw has all these negative effects and when they smoke some tobacco it relieves their illness. Tobacco is a medicine. Furthermore 6 week studies show tobacco is entirely safe, improves mood, energy, and productivity. Anyone saying tobacco is bad is stigmatizing people with tobacco deficiencies and is anti-science.”

  • The HAM D depression scale used in psych drug research considerers weight gain a benefit. Gaining weight on the drug in psych studies provides a 2 point benefit. This is a larger benefit than the the benefit caused by serotonin drugs in the most pro-drug biased studies. Eating McDonald’s every day will produce a larger antidepressant effect than all psych drugs according to psychiatries depression ratings. These studies also operate by taking people addicted to the drugs and claiming withdrawal is a placebo group. Essentially negative effects of psych drugs are falsely labeled as good things. Neuroleptics are claimed to be good because they sedate, impair, and cause disabling brain damage.

  • Getting a psych “diagnosis” means any and all things can now be blamed on the “mental biological defect.” According to Psych questionnaires used to determine “mental illness” complaints about health and the body are considered to be caused by the “mental illness”. Psych’s stated solution to someone saying they have physical pain or problems is to give them more psych drugs. This is party why getting a psych label doubles someone’s chance of receiving a medical error.

    Not only do physical things get blamed but environmental factors as well. There was a Facebook post of an aunt saying how her niece inherited depression like her. The aunt said this because her niece was feeling sad because her mom was spanking and yelling at her.

    The most insidious part is that the effects of the drugs get blamed on the anti-science fake illness. People don’t start with a biological abnormality but when they get drugged all day with chemical altering addicting drugs they now have a biological abnormality. Addicting and withdrawal means they have that abnormality for months and months after quitting the drugs. In long term studies psych drugs worsen the symptoms they are claimed to treat. Almost all stereotypes about people with “mental illness” can be attributed to the drugs. Drooling, abnormal movements, cognitive impairment, lethargy, early death, physical illness, tobacco and other recreational and brain damage are things caused by neuroleptic drugs. Yet the drugs don’t get blamed for this the person does and if you point this out what the research actually says you get insulted for shamming people.

    https://bmcfampract.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12875-020-1087-4.pdf

  • Being a “psych survivor” is by definition a product of psychiatric oppression. Psych survivors have survived the regime that at times forcibly drugged, jailed, and electrocuted them. Without psychiatry declaring that a group of people are genetically inferior and therefore are second class citizens who lose their rights, wealth and life there would be no psych survivors.
    Taking the increased death rate from psych drugs psychiatry kills in America alone half a million people a year.
    I’m not sure why the term “psych survivor” is a counter productive and negative term. I don’t know if I would be able to connect and agree that the term shouldn’t be used. But Given when it comes to many opinions I reside in the minority your best argument against using the term “psych survivor” might be very convincing.

  • Serotonin drugs cause cognitive impairment(1), double dementia (2)
    and cause emotional impairment(3). Of course to those selling the drugs and whose social status depends on view that the drug users are biologically defective and “lack insight (also known as lack intelligence)” these negative drug effects appear as a feature and not a bug. The drugs causing withdrawal that can last a year plus is another feature because as all sober former drug addicts know, withdrawal is experienced as the drug being a good thing.

    (1) https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)00077-7/pdf
    (2) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6079596/
    (3) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41398-019-0496-4

  • Loneliness you’re what I have left
    A soothing from giving up nutrition
    When what I need is social connection
    Hearing “get help” tells of social death
    How do I get from ghost back to life?

    Self esteem is fantasy I now ignore
    Crying is better than hitting the ground
    When what I need is some love found
    Hearing “take drugs” to kill that of you
    Reminds me I have no value anymore

    On the two way street of communication
    My side is quarantined for your safety
    Everything coming out is an infection
    The cure is to label it all crazy
    But it’s me triaged and stomped out

  • Psychiatry at some level recognizes the power of projection in a society that forms its opinions on logical fallacies. Every psychiatric response to “Anatomy of an epidemic” and pro-psychiatry people I’ve talked to vomit out projection. I’m not sure what the most effective response to projection and insults is. It’s difficult to get a large sample size to test strategies because pretty much all psychiatry message boards and forums ban anyone who opposes the psych religion.

  • One psychiatrist who wrote an online response to An anatomy of an epidemic stated it would be unethical to do a study to find the long term effects of psych drugs. I’ve seen this response other times as well where people proclaim it would be unethical to do a study to see what the long term effects of addicting deadly drugs are.
    Psychiatrist do the opposite of informed consent. They outright lie because in public they say their victims lack insight and are so dangerous they need less rights than criminals. Informed consent to them is unethical because then people will more likely recognize drug harm and won’t buy the drugs.
    For psychiatry the ethic is, “First gain status and money by doing harm.”

  • People and society at some level recognize what psychiatry is. When someone who is in an argument responds with “seek help” “you must be off your drugs” or “you’re mentally ill” they recognize that’s psychiatries purpose in practice is to silence, and stigmatize people. Psychiatries stated position that all those they label “lack insight” and are therefore too stupid and insane to know anything is essentially psychiatry covering up and causing abuse. One reason people who get mental illness labels are more likely to have a crime committed against them is because psychiatry has effectively made is so they are not listened to.

  • The culture of a place in part creates the individuals. We are not born with knowledge, it is taught from day one. Our society teaches that abusive behavior is not only acceptable but it’s what is expected. The vast majority of people can’t reject authority, popularity, and what they grew up with. In a sense non abusive people are abnormal; they found some way to overcome their environment and become something moral.

  • Bad people can do good things. Likewise unsupportive people can in some ways at some times provide some social/emotional support. Cruel people can become crueler especially if you don’t obey them. This is why I think so many people do not tell others they have quit psych drugs. You can’t be harassed, insulted and attacked for doing something people don’t know you did.
    This type of support network isn’t healthy or beneficial emotionally. However, when it is all you have it’s not clear if leaving would be better. It is just like the abused* homemaker who if they left would end up homeless, hungry, and cold.

    *If someone giving someone brain damage is abuse than in order to avoid cognitive dissonance forcing or giving someone psych drugs is also abuse.

  • It’s not just men who are sexist. Society teaches that sexism is how things should be. Those who don’t follow this are bullied. As a result even some (many?) women have internalized sexism as acceptable. I was dumbfounded in 2016 when I heard several educated women sayings things such as, “I don’t want a women president.”

    When I tell people with “mental illness” labels they are not biologically defective, or that the drugs increase violence, decrease cognitive functioning, and have other negative effects a common response is something along the lines of “you’re shaming/stigmatizing me.” I’m not sure I want to even try to publicly hypothesize what causes this response.

    Another common response is to assume I am “mentally ill” and ad hominem that I inherently lack insight. I have also been told in the same conversation where I was ad hominem as “mentally ill” that since my comments are coherent I can’t be “mentally ill” and therefore lack insight.

  • Good points. They claim the drugs they are selling are evidence based to help the new “patient” while simultaneously telling the old patient they need to try a 4th drug because the disease is so different we can’t know which drug will help who. Trial and erroring 4+ addicting deadly drugs on people while claiming the drugs work and are needed for life sounds like cognitive dissonance to me. Of course they don’t give the informed consent about withdrawal and instead pretend withdraw from addicting drugs is proof the drugs are good.

    Oldheads court comment reminded me how psychiatry the ones whose income, moral and social status depend on the drugs get to be the expert witness, judge, and jury. The defendant, accused of maiming/disabling/killing millions is the authority and everyone disagreeing with the defendant is called crazy or worse.

  • When psychiatry says their drugs are evidence based what they mean is “short term, cherry picked, unblinded (drug effects unblind participants), withdraw (the placebo group is put through drug withdrawal) studies from people selling the drugs find a small improvement on our subjective questionnaire.”

    Serotonin studies find 1 in 5 or 7 people will experience a short term drug benefit in these studies equivalent to them now agreeing that they are ill, or they gained weight, or they fidget less. Each of those three things equals a 2 point improvement. The typical drug benefit in the most pro-drug biased and flawed studies is a 1.5 point improvement.

    Using the evidence base psychiatry uses we could claim tobacco and alcohol are safe and effective medicines. 6 week studies show tobacco is safe, relieves stress, and provides energy. Alcohol withdraw studies show alcohol saves lives and reduces anxiety.

    Any research showing the medicines long term cause harm is clearly fraudulent. We all know that people who quit alcohol do so because they are less ill than those who stayed on. People don’t quit alcohol because it has negative effects because it has none.

    They quit the medicine because they are less ill and that is why they have better outcomes. Though clearly those quitting lack insight and are stupid because they are mentally ill. Anyone saying otherwise is shamming and stigmatizing sick people and they need to be censored for the good of society. (I understand how absurd my last several paragraph are but it is absurd precisely because it is repeating what psychiatry says).

  • The article mentions how shootings are tied to anger and resentment. A good way to make someone angry and resentful is to forcibly hospitalize (jail) and drug them. Giving them less rights than criminals because a 5 minute questionnaire similar to internet spam quizzes says they are mentally defective will further cause anger and resentment. The social stigmatization from being labeled a mental defect who is considered dangerous is fuel to the fire. Any complaints they have are met with “seek help and take drugs”. These drugs cause irritability, agitation, anxiety, and suicide/violence (serotonin drugs which are widely considered the safe psych drug increase suicide and violent behavior by 250%) meaning they are like bathing the wood stove in gasoline.

    My favorite is when people claim drugs need to be forced because someone in withdrawal from the drugs does something violent. Alcohol companies should try it. “We took alcoholics and withdrew them and they became irritable, anxious, more aggressive and some died. Alcohol is a medicine that corrects a chemical imbalance. Anyone Saying alcohol has negative effects is shaming sick people and needs to be socially shunned.”

  • For some reason my web browser wouldn’t open the legislation text. My concern is how do you enforce informed consent and is the informed consent actually informed consent. Psychiatrists can just say, “benzos can have negative cognitive, physical and mental effects but you have a disease like diabetes. Your chemical imbalance means this drug is evidence based.”

    The idea that a group who has been lying about the drugs they sell for decades will actually provide real informed consent by themselves sounds naive. Serotonin drugs have had a black box warning that they increase suicide for over a decade. Telling people this black box warning hasn’t worked because psychiatry surrounds the warning with dishonesty about how the drug fixes an imbalance, is needed and you’ll be sick forever if you don’t take it. It is similar to a 12 page user agreement pretending that hiding something in obscure language on page 8 paragraph 3 means people understand it.

  • Our society stigmatizes, and harasses people who don’t follow “normal” standards. A large part of it is you need to follow authority. If you don’t you get targeted. For me the hardest part of trying to quit psych drugs wasn’t the withdrawal. It was the the responses of the people around me. Constantly being told to take the drugs, being disrespected and borderline harassed because my choices didn’t include taking drugs made me miserable. I had quit and was doing the best I had been doing in years. The response from others was I “lacked insight” and needed to be treated more like a dog.
    I wonder if the major reason people struggle to quit psych drugs is that revealing they are doing so causes the opposite of social support. It creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. Those in authority tell a prophecy that quitting the drugs will cause a crisis. The social response to the prophecy helps cause it to happen.
    When people’s definition of support is to say “get help,” “take deadly addicting drugs”, “you lack insight because you’re mentally defective” “I’m calling the cops to forcibly hospitalize you” you really don’t have any support, you have the opposite.

  • Being a psych survivor (as in someone who has been harmed by psychiatry and recognizes that harm) manufactures “paranoia.” Psychiatry by definition lies in order to gain social status and wealth by harming other people. Chemical imbalances were disproven decades ago. Long term studies show massive harm and no benefits (there isn’t a single study that when read in full shows benefits from psychiatric drugs or shock). They have more power than cops and those they label have less rights than criminals. Mental health Internet forums regularly have posts along the lines of “how can I get my (family member/friend) to take psych drugs.” Suggestions range from injections, harassment, withdrawing support, and even rufying drugs in food.

    A common adage is “it’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you.” Psych survivors beat that. It’s not paranoia when they already got me and hundreds of millions of people and are getting more everyday with social wide support. Conveniently for psychiatry lacking trust, disagreeing with psychiatry, and not taking drugs are expressions of mentally illness that needs treating with drugs.

  • Psychiatry and especially psych hospitals practice almost every technique used by cults and emotional manipulators.
    control the environment
    Isolate their marks
    Create a system of rewards and punishments (praise, forced hospitalization)
    Create a sense of fear, dependency (drug addiction) and powerlessness
    Have a charismatic leader (psychiatrists) to be obeyed at all times.
    No outsiders or anyone disagree can be listened to and instead need to be attacked.

    They gather information on you and use it against you.
    They intellectually bully people (every time they say someone lacks insight or use appeal to authority)
    They are dishonest.
    Any complaints are their mentally defective patients fault and need to be addressed by drugging them.
    They act like martyrs
    They neo not take responsibility for the harms their drugs and shock and stigmatizing do. In fact they blame all that on their patients and people who oppose psychiatry.
    They use your feelings, and insecurities against you.
    They guilt trip you.
    They cause you to question your own sanity.

    They are near perfect examples of how emotional manipulators and cults operate.

    https://aeon.co/essays/how-cult-leaders-brainwash-followers-for-total-control

    https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/emotional-manipulation#home-court-advantage

  • According to psychiatry If a “mental patient” disagrees with psychiatry it is a symptom of their illness and requires more shock or drugs. If a mental patient reports and complains about a drug effect it is also a symptom of their mental illness and requires more drug. That’s why people are on both a tranquilizer or sedative and a stimulant type drug. One way to survive in psychiatry is to lie and say you are doing great. Otherwise you get more drugs and shocks. Interesting how it conditions people to silence and social withdrawal. Though given many early psych drug case reports remark how the patient becomes docile, sedated and cooperative, silencing people seems to be a feature instead of a bug.

  • According to psychiatry “mentally ill” people have defective brains and are so dangerous they need less rights than criminals. They lack insight and are too stupid to know what’s good. Psychiatry questionnaires used in their “research” consider complaints as signs of mental illness. It isn’t not surprising psychiatrists are not mortified at subhuman treatment towards. They flat out say their “patients” are less human than criminals and are so defective their complaints are just symptoms of their “mental illness”. Psychiatry does wonder why there is so much stigma and discrimination and hope to solve it by informing more people that they are mentally defective and need electroshock/drugs.

  • In psychiatry when the first SSRI doesn’t work they try a second. If that doesn’t work they try a SNRI, then they try another. The end result is a serotonin addiction. Trying to quit results in withdrawal which psych manipulates people into thinking means the drugs are good and needed. A neuroleptic drug (which blocks serotonin and dopamine) is added to the serotonin drug. This occurs because the serotonin drug doesn’t help but does cause mania, psychosis, agitation and other negative effects. When the first neuroleptic doesn’t help, a second and or third are tried. When these drugs result in Tardive dyskinesia or akininsia another deadly addicting drug with no scientific long term benefits is added.

    To you this appears to be insanity that doesn’t work. But to the people getting rich and gaining social status by stigmatizing others it is “working”. Those with power also see it as working since now all the faults of society can be falsely blamed on diseased people having poor genetics and biology.

  • This resembles the Army General adage of “the beatings will continue until morale improves.”

    Someone is suffering because they are poor. Psychiatrists “solution” is to take their money and sell them disabling drugs.
    Someone is suffering because they have low social status, few future prospects and few social connections. Psychiatrists solution is to stigmatize them as dangerous uncontrollable mental defects who need deadly drugs that cause cognitive dysfunction.
    A kid doesn’t like school. A k I’d likes school and struggle with online learning. Solution is a stigmatization and a stimulant addiction. When you think of happy high functioning people is your first thought people who been addicted to meth since childhood? Oh, wait if a child scores high on a subjective tabloid questionnaire they are actually helped by meth. That is science!

    If Tobacco had gone the psych route tobacco would be a safe and effective medicine. 6 week studies would find tobacco is safe, increase productivity and relieves stress. Withdrawal studies would find people suffering from nicotine imbalances suffer without tobacco. Tobacco users having 20 year shorter lifespans would prove they have a chemical imbalance and need tobacco. Brain studies would find tobacco addicts have differences and those differences would be the underlying mental defect.

  • If a kid doesn’t like school they need dopamine stimulants such as meth.

    If a kid likes school and struggles with it’s closure they need dopamine stimulants such as meth.

    If an adult hates their job and hates cleaning the house they need dopamine stimulants such as meth.

    If an adult is too enthusiastic/energetic about their job they need dopamine stimulants such as meth.

    If people refuse the drugs they are claimed to be mentally defective and stupid and forced to take the drugs.

    It’s A Brave New world where every problem is “solved” by drugging people.

    Though if someone takes dopamine stimulants like meth for fun everyone yells that they are destroying their life. They then get jailed in a counterproductive attempt to force them to stop taking the drugs.

    What a society…

  • The people interviewed expressed the most discomfort with the content being posted by other people. I wonder if they know that Facebook shows them that content because Facebook believes doing so increases clicks and profit.

    Most the reasons given for using Facebook can be simplified to “because everyone else uses it.” Your work uses it so you do. You connect with people from grade school because everyone uses it and therefore those people are on Facebook. Other people only send invites to activities via Facebook so you use Facebook to get the invites. This isn’t necessary a bad thing but it is interesting because it has nothing to do with the quality of services but instead their popularity.

    There are some social benefits that can occur from Facebook. However like it’s name suggests, when it comes to socialization Facebook is a book without the substance.

  • The Pfizer vaccine study was two months in length. There is zero long term data and zero mid term data. Zero. The study recorded negative effects and adverse everts via self reporting. Self reported data according to the CDC can undercount negative effects by a factor of up to 100. The study did not test for negative health effects.
    74% of those who got the vaccine reported pain at least 7 days after the injection.
    36% reported fatigue
    15% reported an adverse event
    .84% of those who got the placebo got Covid. That is correct less than 1% on placebo got Covid.

    This data is entirely from a corporation selling the vaccine. A corporation that has been fined billions for fraud and that currently sells several deadly drugs with zero benefits.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

  • Neuroleptic mortality studies find these drugs take 15-25 years off a persons lifespan. Non “mentally ill” users experience similar increased death rates. These studies find that deaths from infectious diseases are around 2 times higher in those using neuroleptic drugs because of the drugs.

    If someone cares about saving human life from infectious diseases they’d want to first reduce neuroleptic drug use.

    Studies claiming people with psych labels have worse immune systems are flawed studies because they assume the deadly addicting drugs are not the cause. Other numerous studies that abide more by the scientific method find the drugs are the culprit.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3888674/pdf/CPN2013-247486.pdf

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16449697/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6159703/pdf/adr-2-adr170042.pdf

  • Right essential their response is, “we don’t say there is a chemical imbalance because we say there is a biological defect and stress and social factors. Now take this drug that corrects a chemical imbalance.”

    They keep saying despite all evidence opposing them that “mental illness” is caused by genetics and biology. It doesn’t matter if they tack on a “social factors also contribute” they are still lying and the research shows their lies cause massive harm.

  • “Tell me in detail how horrible and shitty life has been for you. Now let me explain how it is the fault of your thinking. Don’t blame yourself though, life sucks because you are mentally/biologically defective. Do these mental games to change your thinking.
    If that doesn’t make things better you’ll need cognitive impairing drugs. If you don’t want the disabling drugs it’s because you’re too stupid… wait I mean you lack insight to understand addicting deadly drugs are good for you.” -Psychiatry

    Psychiatry Later, “Damn, all the people we treat are so sick, impaired, and emotionally unwell. Clearly they need to buy more drugs and sessions with us. We are hero’s saving people.”

    There was some science fiction book where one group poisoned the other group environment and then sold them treatments for it. That is essentially what psychiatry does.

  • To add more details. The direct monetary cost to provide psych “treatment” to the average psych “patient” is around $6,000 a year. For each 20 person group you get $120,000 per year for expenditures.
    We should also have a treatment group where each person is just given the money with no strings. A study found that giving the people money resulted in better outcomes compared to those getting psych.

    (1) https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28106/w28106.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2vJl7rqLh0Ol9gl4XdbIQZw6qa3SFo4t0OwsH9fNjMXjjW59H4vA4oEG8

  • The underlying ideology utilized by most societies concept of changing “undesired behavior” is to agree seriously with the Army General yelling, “the beatings will continue until morale improves!”

    From childhood we are taught that hurting/punishing people is what is done if they don’t behave how they are expected.

    Everyone forcibly jailing (hospitalizing) another person recognizes it’s a form of punishment that causes direct harm. Sure, they rationalize that hurting and taking away the rights of people labeled defective and who “lack insight” is the actually the heroic thing to do. But that is simply, “the beatings will continue until morale improves” superimposed with vapid egotistical justifications.

    If you go to a psychiatrist and get a psych diagnosis it means society has now defined you as so “genetically/mentally/biologically defective” that you deserve less rights than criminals. Doesn’t matter if there is no evidence. Forcibly jailed, drugged and stigmatized. Since society believes in “beatings build character” it doesn’t dawn on people how a social wide curb stomping could be detrimental to someone’s well being and future.

  • “In Psychiatric studies complaining about drug effects, physical, health and other things is a sign of mental illness. Clearly doctors reporting drug harms are mentally ill and need to be drugged. Mentally ill people are defective and too stupid(lack insight) to understand so they need to be fired and socially shammed.
    Anyone disgreeing is an anti-science con artist stigmatizing, hurting and causing death for these poor defectively ill people. Ignore them, and buy some more drugs from me.” -Psychiatry

  • The Golem effect is a self-fulfilling prophecy that occurs because people treat someone based on the prophecy they’ve accepted about the person. People’s treatment toward the person essentially causes the negative prophecy to become true.

    Forcibly jail(hospitalize), drug and constantly monitor someone because they’ve been deemed “mentally and biologically defective” and a result is increased paranoia, anxiety, anger and decreased socialization, and happiness.

    Tell a kid they are defective, stupid, and behave badly and they internalize it. Forcibly drug them, constantly point out their perceived errors, and refuse to let them be their own person results in them internalizing the prophecy even more. They have less incentive to try because you can’t fix a brain disease by working harder. Even if they could overcome biology they’d still be labeled and subjected to the stigma. Personal Effort can’t fix the problem caused by the social environment and discrimination they face.

    I cringe watching almost any TV show where a child is labeled with a “mental illness” (Examples include The A word, and Parenthood). The family typically treats the child as an object that needs managed and fixed. In essence their response to their child being “labeled” is to self-fulfill the label.

  • I mostly agree except I see one more purpose of these awareness campaigns. They are also designed to reduce stigma and shame of people with family who are labeled with mental illness. One campaign had people wear shirts. The sister of someone with Bipolar had a shirt that said “sister” while the person labeled with Bipolar had a shirt that said “Bipolar”.

    It objectified the person labeled with “bipolar” in order to make those around her feel better. Family members are helped by putting false blame onto the labeled person. It is dehumanizing towards those who are labeled.

    This allows family members to blame their own behavior/feelings on the “mentally ill.” Increased drugging ensues as family members respond with any negative reactions to their behavior by pressuring the “defective ill” person to take drugs.

  • Can anyone tell me which phrases cause shame and stigmatization?

    “You are mentally and biologically defective.” -Psychiatry

    “You’re so dangerous you get less rights that criminals and need to be forcibly jailed/drugged.” -Psychiatry

    “You lack insight and are too stupid to know what is good for you.” -Psychiatry

    “You must be off your psych drugs. Get help.” -Common response when someone disagrees with the speaker.

    “You need to take drugs to fix your defective self.” -Common response if someone has accepted your mental health label.

    “Long term studies find psych drugs have no benefits. The drugs cause/increase suicide/violence, disability, death psychotic and depressive symptoms and so on.” -Anti-psychiatry

    “No replicatable study has found people with a psych labels have a chemical, biological or genetic difference between those not labeled. You are in the range of normal.“ -Anti-psychiatry

    Somehow psychiatry has convinced people to mindlessly assume the shame and stigma created by psychiatry is caused by anti-psychatry.

  • Dopamine stimulants (examples include meth, cocaine) and GABA drugs (examples include alcohol, and benzos) are street drugs regularly prescribed as “safe and effective” not only to tens of millions of adults but to millions of children.

    Psychiatry doesn’t care about cognitive dissonance. The simply fabricate some reason why deadly addicting street drugs that ruin lives are necessity medicine just like insulin if they are taken daily by “mentally/chemically/biologically defective” people.

  • Esketamine is different from Ketamine. They are not the same drug. Ketamine has Esketamine and another chemical compound.
    The corporation selling Esketamine did three trials. Esketamine had worse results than placebo in two and slightly better results in one. The most pro-Esketamine biased studies couldn’t even find the drug was better than placebo(2).

    Let’s analysis the Ketamine studies used to claim “miracle” improvement. In these studies 1 month after use the HAM D depression scale improves from around 23 to 10. A 13 point improvement. In clinical trials placebo follows an 8.5 point improvement(1). Note that in clinical trials the “placebo group” is put in withdrawal. Meaning the actual placebo effect is likely higher than the 8.5 point improvement.
    Ketamine, 1 month after use has a 4.5 point improvement over a placebo group going through withdrawal.
    Other psych drugs produce at most a 2 point improvement in short term corporate biased studies. Non-corporate biased long term studies find these drugs increase depression by 50-100%(3).

    These approval, praise, and evidence for ketamine looks exactly like what occurred with Serotonin drugs.

    (1) https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2019.00407/full
    (2) https://www.google.com/amp/s/khn.org/news/fdas-approval-of-new-depression-drug-overlooked-red-flags-in-its-testing/amp/
    (3)
    https://www.madinamerica.com/2018/03/do-antidepressants-work-a-peoples-review-of-the-evidence/

  • The major point I took away is that giving the person the same amount of money (or even less) than it costs to provide therapy instead of therapy has larger benefits than just therapy.

    Everyone’s health insurance/care costs would decrease if we just gave people money instead of paying $6,000 a year per person for mental health services. The economy would also improve as less people become disabled and unemployed because of mental health.

    People high in selfishness won’t care about fixing the system since it won’t help them. However, when doing so lowers their health care costs suddenly they have a self interest.

  • We can see why psychiatrists oppose this by giving an example of what telling patients the research would look like.

    “The evidence this SSRI helps short term is done by those selling it. These studies have half a dozen pro-drug flaws and yet they find the drug improvement is clinically meaningless. Long term studies find the drugs worsen outcomes but if we take people addicted to the drugs and withdrawal them they suffer. The drug takes 5 years off your life by causing physical illness.”

    The biggest problem with psychiatry is they not only refuse to give informed consent but lie about the benefits and harms to get people on the drugs. I’m not even sure this shared decision making idea can work because psychiatrists will just keep being dishonest. It’s not a decision if the party with power lies and manipulates the vulnerable person.

  • There isn’t much of an ability to “not preach to the choir” because mental health forums and other media censor people who post anything that does not agree with psychiatry. One psych forum has a separate but equal section. Even posting links to studies showing bad results for the drugs must be done in the anti-psych section. That is one of the least censored forums.

  • “There are so many people who say these drugs have helped” -Psychiatry

    “What about those saying the drugs caused massive harm?”

    “Defective mentally ill people are too stupid to understand what is good for them. Stop stigmatizing them by attacking psychiatry. ” -Psychiatry

    “That completely contradicts your earlier bandwagon argument.”

    Also,
    Those who recognize what psychiatry is who don’t have a psychiatric label can’t understand because they don’t have personal experience.

    In the same discussion I’ve been told “you’re mentally ill, your opinion isn’t valid” followed later by “you are too smart to be mentally ill and therefore can’t understand how good psych drugs are.”

    Doublespeak, is alive and well.

  • Make people feel powerless by falsely claiming they are biologically defective, check.

    Make them afraid they will suffer forever unless they do what you say, check.

    Make people dependent, not only on drugs but on psychiatry to solve their problems, check.

    Reeducate and reform their behavior and beliefs (the definition of CBT), check.

    Isolate people, check.

    Convince people they can only listen to the mental health system, check.

    Gaslight people and claim withdrawal means addicting drugs are good, check.

    Force and drug people so they stay in your group, check.

    If the mental health industry was a small religion we’d call it a cult. The government would have burned it to the ground and jailed its leaders for kidnapping, forced drugging, and assault (giving someone brain damage with drugs, or electrocution) and giving addicting deadly drugs to kids.