Tuesday, January 19, 2021

Comments by Nancy R Gottstein

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  • THANKYOUthankyouthankyou Patrick Hahn. So much better tackled by you than me. I was going to begin by musing about what “Hidden Valley” would have looked like had he been introduced to any number of the people I know who have recovered from a diagnosis of “schizophrenia”. I appreciate that you nailed the line about sexual abuse that left me with my jaw hanging when I read it. My husband was doing an interview with Dr. Breggin a few days back, and Breggin talked about Chestnut Lodge as well, and its’ earlier success followed by a complete sell out. I would only have discussed one thing you let go; falcon training. Teaching a child to torture an animal, what could go wrong?

  • Oldhead, Please forgive my rude Santa comment, and I defer to you on some very precise semantic points. I’m with you all the way about educating lawyers, I feel like this is really central to the changes we seek, I’m someone who believes that the legal profession is driving the coercion, and these people really are educable. I recently learned that one of my nephews from my first marriage is an attorney running for Justice of The Peace, and I made a donation to his campaign. When he wrote to thank me (and this really is how politics works), I dove into PsychRights territory……..and after shocking the hell out of him with actual numbers, he became a believer. I am not a pessimist. Far from it. And I really appreciate being of some use, when and where I can.

  • I hear you Sam Plover, but I did a presentation at the U. of Alaska (Human Services) and was very excited by the response. I want to do more of these. I start with getting personal because the stats allow that every person in any room is five degrees from someone on a drug cocktail, so that’s a great place to start, by getting everyone to realize they are involved, their families are involved, their friends etc. I start with the reality of withdrawal, the lack of professional training, the lack of information, the amazing people out there dealing with it (Like Laura Delano, Alto Strata, Nicole Lamberson, too many to name, really) and the resources they have created. It gets real fast. Then I give them the bad news; we have a 5% full recovery rate in the US. We are spitting in the wind, and people get it. And Open Dialogue in Finland has 80% over decades. When this sinks in, the question becomes, “Why?”, so we have to examine who benefits, and that becomes fairly obvious. I’m not easy on my audience because personal responsibility and integrity are hard charges. We have the numbers that matter, they are the numbers of failure. The American public understands money being wasted, and they understand being interfered with, and these are effective places to make a dent in public opinion.

  • l-e-cox, You are spot on, the fact is that real community mental health does not require psychiatrists (and psychologists), and this is the essential truth. “Experts” are counterproductive. I moved to Alaska in 2010 because I wanted to work with PsychRights, but also to volunteer at Soteria. Many people laud my husband, Jim Gottstein, for his legal challenges (and for leaking The Zyprexa Papers to the NYTimes) but people know him in Alaska for none of those things; Jim founded two mental health agencies in Anchorage, one of them was Soteria Alaska. People recover. People recover unless you put up a million roadblocks, and that’s exactly what we do.

  • Oldhead, Let’s be real. That isn’t going to happen, it is an essential function of the state, which has no oversight, and it is effective for it’s own purposes (getting inconvenient people out of the way). Santa Claus is not coming to abolish Psychiatry. I think this fight needs to be clearly translated into numbers much like the death penalty. If people understood what we are all paying for……….

  • Yeah, I am really struggling with this piece because, frankly, I think it is disingenuous. Hiding behind systems does not make someone any less responsible for harm caused. And complacency amidst genocide is something quite different from complacency itself. I’m a realist too, and I walked away from being a therapist in 1980 when I understood the reality of our “behavioral healthcare system”. So let’s be real then, Mr. Nikkel. First of all, our system does not exist to help people, it exists solely for the purpose of aiding the state in getting rid of people. Getting inconvenient people out of sight, and out of the way. There are very simple remedies, by the way, but most professionals don’t want to hear them, and the notion that it’s up to the harmed to create reform is irresponsible to say the least. Simple remedy #1. Stop reporting people for suicidal ideation, and even plans. No one can prove they said it, and no one can prove they didn’t. It should never be a crime to question the meaning of life, and considering the lethal effect of “treatments”, how can anyone justify the harm that comes from this reporting? #2. Bill for generalized anxiety, and nothing else. At least you will be honest, and no one is going to lose their children in a custody fight because of the label you gave someone after meeting them for the first time. Which isn’t valid anyway, and here at MIA we all know that. Stop diagnosing. #3. DO NOT testify as an expert in court about someone’s “mental illness”. It’s a violation of your duty not to harm. #4. Remove yourself from any involvement in any coercion. Quit your job if you have to. #5. Stop pretending that people have real lawyers representing them in commitment hearings. The have public pretenders. When you pretend that this is due process, you are involved in the coercion. #6. Stop pretending that creating a work force of underpaid slaves is “peer support”. #7. Do not call drugs which treat no medical condition “medication”. #8. Don’t rely on “survivors” to reform your profession. Make yourself known to local media sources, and make yourself available to respond as an “expert” to media misinformation. It’s NOT the job of survivors, it’s the responsibility of people who have made a living in this field. Seriously. #9. Reach out the people you have harmed through “treatment”, and apologize. Yes, you are responsible, and there is no time limit. Those people remember you well, and they are living with it. You owe them. #10. Accept that we are a country founded on individual liberties, and that if you cannot protect the rights of others while doing your job, then your job is not consistent with our shared values. Act with Integrity. Boycott. Granted #10 is a bit redundant, but I’m here to make a point. The idea that survivors like me have spent years as full time activists while the “system” provides income and-yes complacency to others is a clear road map. That road map places the responsibility for change squarely on the shoulders of those who have made their living from the suffering of others.