Monday, August 8, 2022

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  • Psychiatry is a very effective political weapon, much more so than false criminal charges, as I described in my article last year:

    MIA writer Rob Wipond reported on the John Rohrer lawsuit soon after it was filed:

    but John Rohrer continues to be locked up, probably for life, his neurological systems damaged without compensation because the fix was in and Ohio judges kept all allegations far away from any jury or other fact finder, although he was well-represented by 2 attorneys and the complaint was well-pled. Still it was dismissed out for fictitious and invented reasons – all affirmed by appeal courts in Ohio, a state that highly favors public employees no matter what they do, especially if “medically” connected. The Ohio Supreme Court “justices” receive enormous campaign contributions from Big Pharma, hospital associations, etc. and has been found to vote consistently with the interests of contributors about 88% of the time on average.

    Vicims of psychiatry would do well to understand that not only is psychiatry fake, so is our so-called justice system. I intend to continue exposing it on my BedlaminAmerica broadcast, however, and welcome all input: kshine at wljaradio dot net.

  • The tort cases are still going. The defendants are represented by some 4 attorneys. So many of them must share. One of the next tasks for the courts in Franklin County, Ohio will be to figure out which of the defendants, if any, have immunity, which basically will mean – is what they are accused of so egregious that it can be called bad faith or malicious? Since this article was written, on December 1, an appeal of John’s original confinement “order” was filed in Ohio’s Fourth District Court of Appeals, which is being asked to release John from the hospital pending the appeal so he can participate in his civil case. We were fortunate to have well over a dozen affidavits in support of John attached to our still pending motion for stay. The State has filed no response to date. Meanwhile John’s supporters are organizing two protests in downtown Columbus, Ohio. One is 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. on Wednesday January 21. The other is Thursday February 5 from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. For more information please contact Katherine directly by going to, where you will find email and phone info.

  • We feel like this would be a first step to a class action for others in the future. It takes an individualized case, with specific rights violations that are happening to that specific person, to set a precedent and a template for others to file their individual cases. Right now what you tend to see are class actions that are microscopically focused on one tiny aspect of what one drug does. Like the law firms who only represent men with gynecomastia from taking Risperdal. Those lawsuits are assembly line productions that don’t stop the drug from being manufactured and don’t necessarily earn very much money for each individual defendant. But when you multiply it by several thousand plaintiffs and take 1/3 or 40% of the total amount recovery, the attorney who does those will do quite well. Those attorneys earn their money, but they have no interest in challenging the system.

  • Anybody wanting to help should contact John’s mom, Katherine Hine, a former attorney, at katherinehine at yahoo. There are some specific things that are needed to free John Rohrer and send a message of hope and know-how to others who are struggling. John would benefit from the following:

    1.An affidavit of support – just indicating that you would be willing to provided peer support to him – whether by occasional emails or phone calls – and why that is so important, especially if he is allowed to be released pending appeal.

    2. Help with getting broader publicity – for now – from the alternative media – such as online radio shows that would include John’s ongoing struggle with Ohio’s mental illness system, with other human rights issues that are related and connected.

    3. Help finding an activist Ohio attorney, preferably in Columbus, who would not be afraid to be co-counsel with Dave in the Columbus cases.

  • Lots of things to think over. I agree that prison abolition/reform has to be discussed at the same table as the abolition of forced psychiatry. The NGRI plea is often chosen because the offender realizes he may not survive the prison experience. Every defendant knows that prison means (usually gang) rape. In all this time, and after all the federal lawsuits over prison conditions (and mental hospital conditions), which tend to result only in more air conditioning and more staff at higher salaries, the “experts” seem to have never found a technique of stopping prison rape. Isn’t that odd? We must always be mindful of the behaviors of systems and the people who are employed as cogs in those systems – e.g. the work of Dr. Philip Zimbardo (The Stanford Prison Experiment) and the Milgram experiments (establishing that most people will gladly harm unto death, another human being they have no reason to hate, as long as a person in “authority” tells them someone else will take responsibility). So, to the extent that prisons and mental hospitals are staffed by those not acting as individuals and without any real accountability, they are unlikely to achieve any legitimate rehabilitative or “treatment” goals. The most they can do is isolate people who have truly harmed others and are likely to do so again, from the rest of us. But even if we wanted to limit incarceration only to true psychopaths (a way of saying purely evil but not “mentally ill”) who commit acts of violence, could we count on the other systems – the courts – the juries, etc. to get the facts right as to who is and who is not in such a category?

    One remedy I understand was used by native Americans was a type of shunning – in some religious communities also called disfellowshipping even now. It was a way for the community to achieve at least the goal of isolating the person from the community where he had harmed someone. It involved casting the person out of the community upon which he depended for food, shelter, and fellowship. It’s no perfect solution and can certainly be used harshly. It could effectively be a death sentence. Plus it’s not even true isolation because the person could return and wreak havoc on the ones who shunned him. But at least it’s not an overt act of aggression being committed in the name of every man, woman, and child in the wronged community. Which I think is a big part of what is wrong with capital punishment and forced psychiatry- apart from its discriminatory application and the irreversible consequendes of getting the facts wrong. Capital punishment, like psychiatric torture and involuntary confinement of all types, is behavior that at some level the community that inflicts it has to own. Do we really want to be identified with abusive systems set up in our names and for our “protection”?

  • I’m interested in what the politics of this means. Why is JAMA now publishing this kind of information? Why is mainstream Johns Hopkins and/or the CDC doing the research? It can’t be that they care about our welfare or legitimate scholarship, not with the background they both have in singing whatever tune Big Pharma calls. So what is this then? A response to all the bad publicity anti-psychiatry has been successful in generating? The public outrage over cases like Justina Pelletier and the desire to distance themselves in the public’s mind from the likes of Boston Hospital? Will courts be persuaded by this and be convinced in an election year at least that forced drugging might not be such a swell idea for judges facing election?

  • Thanks for the comment and question. I don’t know how easy it would be to commit suicide there. John resists suicidal thoughts with every fiber of his being, as he has stated in affidavits. We have wanted it to be perfectly clear that if ABH’s drugs finally do kill him, that this tragedy could not be disguised as a suicide. ABH has been warned, educated, and provided numerous studies, and even a doctor’s opinion from the outside, that make it perfecty clear that they are commiting malpractice. There is essentially no accountability, just like there wasn’t for most of the psychiatrists who enabled the Holocaust.

    Patients are allowed one or two cups of coffee daily, between certain hours, in the morning. The wards are not segregated by gender, but within the rooms, they are.

    There is basically no therapy provided, although on occasion “groups” are run. Oftentimes the “groups” consist of handing out drug company literature – such as from Janssen Pharmaceuticals, or Eli Lilley. ABH basically serves as a marketing agent for Big Pharma – so that patients will not see any option except drug akathisia and permanent disability for life. Even though probably most if not all of the patients are abuse and trauma survivors, there is no group for them. How could there be? If victims were ever to be empowered, they might challenge their oppression in the hospital, as some still do.

    John was one of the few, if not the only one, who had the inner resources to work hard to educate fellow patients. He was even allowed to facilitate therapy groups with others, which, according to ABH nurses, helped other patients. ABH stopped that from happening in February, 2014, the same month the Supreme Court action was filed. When John circulated a petition last year protesting abusive treatment of patients by a specific nurse, which more than half the ward bravely signed, the psychiatrist forced another drug on him – Depakote.

  • This is a message from John Rohrer, who, as punishment for physically resisting the Risperdal shot in the past, is now banned from using the computer:

    Side effects of the Risperdal Consta shot: 28 hours in

    It’s hard to find the words

    I feel as if I will expel my lunch

    The horror makes me tic

    I’m faint and life is surreal

    The Parkinsonian bobble of my head and body subtly jitters
    in time with my heart.

    I can see why medicated people kill themselves

    This is a dark place I wouldn’t wish on anyone

  • I think it’s important for people to know that John had never been accused of assaulting anyone until he entered Ohio’s mental illness system in connection with a victimless trespass. It was not until he was forced to live in a violent state- “supervised” group home where he was repeatedly assaulted, that he struck another person. At the time he was also bleeding from another assault, and a head injury, and had recently been vomiting. He struck the person ONCE, in an apparent desperate hope that this might stop him from continuing to be victimized by his attackers in the group home. He had asked to be transferred from that Hell, but was told to deal with it, basically. Besides the head injury, he was also at the time being required by a government psychiatrist to take SSRI drugs and a neuroleptic, since the government could not recogtnize that John might be depressed from the way events in his life were spiraling out of control. The DSM even then agreed that these drugs cause akathisia that is said to be causally related to violence:

    “Serotonin-specific reuptake inhibitor antidepressant medications may produce akathisia that appears identical in phenomenology and treatment response to Neuroleptic-Induced Acute Akathisia” [DSM-IIV-TR, p. 801]

    The FDA also admitted even then, that another huge factor associated with violence, “mania” is also encouraged by SSRI drugs, in its March 22, 2004 warning:

    “Anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, impulsivity, akathisia [severe restlessness], hypomania [abnormal excitement, mild mania] and mania [psychosis characterized by exalted feelings, delusions of grandeur and overproduction of ideas], have been reported in adult and pediatric patients being treated with antidepressants.” [FDA Public Health Advisory, March 22, 2004. “Worsening Depression and Suicidality in Patients Being Treated with Antidepressant Medications,”]

    The public defender brought up none of this, simply agreeing with everything the prosecutor wanted. He could have used the involuntary intoxication defense, which is a well-recognized complete defense that is different from “insanity”. It has been so recognized for more than a century. 1 Hale, History of the Pleas of the Crown 32 (1778). See also Pearson’s Case,168 Eng. Rep. 1108 (1835). (Note also the case of Tobin v.
    SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals, 164 FSupp.2d 1278 (D. Wyo. 2001)(6 million dollar verdict to survivors of a man who killed wife, daughter, baby granddaughter, and then himself while under the influence of Paxil, an SSRI anti-depressant, jury finding that Paxil contributed 80% to the proximate cause of the deaths).

    Involuntary intoxication could have served either as a complete defense, as it always has, or at least in mitigation of the punishment by hospitalization that was a foregone conclusion. Once the SSRI drugs were removed as they eventually were, it would have been clear that involuntary hospitalization would help no one – not John, not “society”. But with the kind of “representation” he received at the commitment “hearing” – none of this information came out.

  • Congratulations, Tina!!As you say, the work is far from over, but it’s a start. We all know that the United States has an abysmal record, especially lately, on human rights. At the same time, this country tries to be the watchdog for human rights abuses in other countries. Specifically in the area of torture, the United States Code implements and provides FUNDS to combat torture – but only for torture in OTHER places. That said, the United States does at least pay lip service to human rights in some contexts. As I understand it, there was a representative from the United States, a Dr. Wanda Jones, who appeared before Tina’s committee trying to justify the U.S. record in this regard. Why bother doing that if you can do whatever you want without worrying how you’re viewed internationally? The U.N. comment, as Tina explains it, is the most authoritative writing to date on the attitude of the international community towards forced drugging as it applies to international treaty interpretation. It should be used far and wide by attorneys who are truly advocating for their psychiatrically victimized clients. Right now, this is excellent news for John Rohrer, who is currently being force drugged and force hospitalized in Ohio, and who is seeking his liberty from the Ohio Supreme Court in the case of State ex rel Rohrer v. Holzapfel. The link, showing all the downloadable filings to date is as follows:

    Should John be released, and especially if the Ohio Supreme Court mentions international treaties as forming a part of its decision, this will also be welcome news for others, who, if they are in any court, can use decisions from the highest courts even of other states to make their current judge think twice before keeping them confined, especially in close cases. Let us spread Tina’s news everywhere we can!!

  • here was a time that social justice could be achieved through the legal system, but for the most part, the law follows, it does not lead. In all areas of the law there is a tendency to not take evidence and not hold hearings. Judges’ salaries are the same regardless of how much or how little they work hearing testimony. Involuntary commitment hearings and forced drugging hearings not uncommonly take a minute or two, if that. “Evidence” is either not taken at all, or is in the form of a letter from a psychiatrist who often doesn’t usually even shoTw up. Commonly the only evidence might be a hospital form in which the psychiatrist has checked a few boxes. The poor are represented by court appointed attorneys who have a financial incentive to spend as little time as possible in a hearing listening to evidence, and many, for expediency’s sake, will simply agree with the government lawyer that what is “best” for the client is to be locked up. Caselaw often says that judges should no longer determine whether a person is so mentally ill that they should be hospitalized “for their own good” – that this is the job of psychiatry. Compounding the problem is that legislatures take as a given that that anyone who has ever been hospitalized will be on medication for life, and that a person who disagrees with their psychiatrist about the level of medication is probably a danger to society. Other government agencies that are supposed to provide oversight over psychiatrists typically fail to do that. The only thing, as you suggest, that stands a chance of changing psychiatry is for the profit motive to disappear.

  • I hope the family has a really good attorney who can explore all angles and help them put together a cohesive strategy – a war on all fronts. As I learned in my son’s case, a state can have a decent set of laws but when judges ignore them, and ignore due process of law, you must look to other options that don’t involve continuing to be victimized by the same judge. This is very alarming since the case has gotten so much publicity, but has it yet reached a critical mass in media besides in the movement to make psychiatry accountable? I think the word has to be spread further and wider than amongst us, like to human rights bloggers, like to oath keeper organizations, etc. Those who want to help the family need to attack the sealing of court proceedings or records, at a minimum. Hopefully the family or their attorney will get some ideas from the pleadings that were filed in my son’s case, which is now in the Ohio Supreme Court:

    There is contact information for the attorney who will pass along our contact information for any who need confidential help.