Wednesday, October 28, 2020

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  • N.I. – I would say that it is EXTREMELY important that you read up on the hyperthymic temperament. The wikipedia definition should suffice for determining if it describes you. If this is the case I would not have any worries about safely getting off of the mood stablizer at all. Hyperthymic people are sent into mania from anti-depressants and then are misdiagnosed as bipolar. If you were always stable prior to when you were put on the anti-depressant (I assume to help cope with a temporary situation as was the case with me) but would be described as upbeat, confident, sociable, humorous, ambitious, have an affinity for alcohol, are described as “clever” or “charismatic” – have a way of reading situations and people quickly – are creative, a wordsmith, are uninhibited and wonder why everyone else seems “half dead and slow on the uptake”, are sometimes told you really seem to “have soul” – are a great lover of life and also can’t understand why so many others around you also seem to be so easily worried or swayed into not being so happy because of things that to you seem absurd and are of little importance or consequence than welcome to the club. You simply have a hyperthymic temperament, you fellow witty entrepreneurial lover of life. They have been BS ing you. They probably told you that the anti-depressant simply “unmasked” your “preexisting bipolar condition”. Really ? Then why were you always stable ? I thought bipolar people were put ON meds because they have ups and downs WITHOUT them ! So why have they seen your reaction to drugs as proving something that is there without them ? If you didn’t have mood swings prior to to the anti-depressant then there was never any problem to be treated. You simply should not take psychological drugs. That’s what caused the problem in the first place. The drugs WERE /ARE the problem, not the solution. Hope this helps. Please read my story posted today 4/25…See if we don’t have a lot in common…

  • Jeff – I am so sorry about what you have experienced, but at the same time it felt good to find someone who had a similar experience to me. Fortunately, my experiences were much shorter lived. Like you, I was put on an anti-depressant (zoloft) due to a temporary anxiety / stress provoking situation and it ended up creating a drug-induced mania for which I was hospitalized. Afterwards, the depakote they prescribed (along with the same depressing situation) created a depression for which I was hospitalized 4 months later. I had been normal and stable all my life and apparently have a hyperthymic temperament. Like you, I am upbeat and energetic and also have been successfully self employed for over 20 years. This was the first half of 2012. When I came out of the depression I began to deeply question the bipolar diagnosis so I got a second opinion from a lady who smartly knew to distinguish drug induced mood states from preexisting conditions. She took me off of meds. (tapered). That was the end of all that until about a year later (November 2013) I had a manic reaction to natural herbs (for libido). My doctor wanted me to visit the clinic again. I was shaken from this episode and agreed with the doctor and my wife to go back on the lithium the 2nd opinion psychiatrist had taken me off of a year prior. Of course when I visited the outpatient clinic in late December 2013, they were happy to say that I needed to continue the lithium. I began to do research in the weeks following that mania and prior to my visit to the clinic and that is when I stumbled onto the hyperthymic temperament information. Described me as much as it does you. They don’t like to hear about this because they know you are not supposed to treat personality traits (unless they make it a personality “disorder” etc.) After another month of taking the lithium I stopped, but without telling my wife so I could get truly objective proof that I didn’t need it. I have been an avid beer drinker for 30 years and also have a keen sense of humor and am talkative. These are all “hyperthymic things” (along with an ENTJ score on Meyers-Briggs). They wanted to believe I could not control my drinking without lithium nor my talkativeness. This was simple enough. I talked less and I drank no more than one 12 oz. beer per night so that my wife would think I was still taking the lithium. They actually thought I should take lithium for being a talkative beer drinker. Jeez, they’ll medicate you for anything. I had cut my beer drinking in half (3 six packs a week instead of 5 to 7) in January 2013 because I realized this was necessary for weight control as I grow older (I’m almost 48). The intake counselor that I saw in late December 2013 seemed perplexed that I could at the drop of a hat suddenly cut down on alcohol that much without “help or support”. I like beer (a lot) and the effect of alcohol (a lot). That’s why I’ve done a lot of it. However, the thought of a substance having power over me seems absurd. I simply did this because I decided to…. Just like I cut way back on alcohol when on lithium because I needed to. These idiots said things like “I guess the lithium made / makes that easier” without taking into consideration the weeks the lithium takes to build up to a “therapeutic level” in your system. Wouldn’t that mean it was my sheer will power (I’m very disciplined) for the first few to several weeks ? Apart from that, what I find most absurd is that the hospital outpatient psychiatrist explained to my wife back in 2012 that I was “definitely bipolar” because “well…we saw an “up” and then we saw a “down”. BOTH DRUG INDUCED…DUH !!! I thought bipolar meant you had “ups” and “downs” because you’re NOT taking meds and that’s why they put you on them !! In any case, I am happy that you too have gotten off of the meds. I have also read that people with a hyperthymic temperament are very likely to have a drug induced mania from anti-depressants. The psychiatrist from 2012 decided I was perpetually hypomanic. True in a sense, except that is a bipolar state – which by definition changes. These are just stable personality traits. I do think that bipolar exists. My wife is classically bipolar and I think she does need meds. However, people like you and me with hyperthymic temperaments should never be treated for bipolar. It’s so crazy to “figure out what meds this person should be put on” because of the way you reacted to meds. I think there are entire other classes of people who get put on meds that cause problems like I’ve seen you describe. It may be that some people do need meds, but treating hyperthymic temperament is ridiculous. So many mental hospitals misdiagnose people, herd people, and are way too stuck on the notion that patients must be treated with meds. You and me and too many others with our temperament are diagnosed with something we don’t have. Imagine a mental health system with enough common sense to say “this person who has been stable all their life had a bad reaction to a drug so let’s just take him or her off of it”. This would go against their whole way of doing things, but imagine if they just had a print out of wikipedia on the term “hyperthymic temperament” and simply asked a spouse or relative if it describes the patient. If the answer is yes, then they should just say “someone like that should never take anti-depressants”. Could you imagine that actually happening along with an admission that “nothing is wrong with him or her as long as they don’t take an anti-depressant”. That would have been the common sense solution for you or me. Don’t think that will ever happen. I admire what you’re doing and wish I could stop the system from misdiagnosing people and trying to convince those of us who don’t need treatment into buying into all of this nonsense.