Thursday, March 21, 2019

Comments by Mikeymike

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  • Yes, I agree with what you are saying and no, supplements will not work for everybody. Nothing works for everybody; however, my solution did work for ME. And if it worked for me, it can very well work for somebody else as well.
    Like I mentioned in my longer e-mail, I had to change other things as well to keep my brain in balance in the long run, BUT none of it worked before I took the 5htp and let my brain go back to ” normal ” after antidepressant use. If not, I would’ve gone back to the meds like I did many times before and always 2-3 months after the initial withdrawal. The depression was worse everytime and does suggest a of type of rebound effect that the meds do seem (notice I didn’t say does) have on SOME people. I was in therapy when it happened on multiple occasions and that did not work. There was absolutely no perceivable reason for why it was happening and my therapist never understood why either. When I took the 5htp, it got better and after 2 months I stopped taking it and the depression never came back.
    Again, I emphazize the fact that I did nothing different besides that and did not come to some miraculous recovery in therapy or discover the secret meaning to life. I had done all the work I needed to in therapy and on other levels and could not see why I could not get off the meds.
    So, I will say it again. If the rebound effect does exist (no there is no proof it exists, but then again the same goes for believing in GOD – that belief, whether true or not, still works for many) then the 5hpt could very well be the answer. Light therapy and exercise will probably not help in THIS case because you are trying to fix a problem caused by the meds and that can take something more direct on the molecule that was affected – in the case of antidepressants it is serotonin. 5hpt works directly on that molecule. If you don’t have this problem, then light therapy as well as all the other things that we see all over the internet, in books, etc can probably help. The only other solution is to wait it out and hope you don’t kill yourself as I almost did.
    By the way, if your depression is caused because of the fact that “life sucks” as you put it, then you need to do a lot of soul searching because life will never be easy for the vast majority of people, whether we think some people have it better than us or not. Perception is not always reality. However, many people do manage to concentrate on the good and not the bad. And, trust me the bad can be aweful in some cases.
    Anyways, I am not going to keep arguing back and forth on the issue anymore because I have solved my issue with depression. it worked for me and that will never change. We can leave it up to other people now if they want to try it – I think we have exhausted the potential pros and cons of the topic, which is probably a good thing because we have hopefully answered any potential questions that may come up.

  • I’m giving my experience and the only thing that got me off the meds for good after being on them for years. If you are depressed before the meds and they help, it is because they affect serotonin levels in the brain, so serotonin is the problem. The 5-htp increases serotonin and doesn’t trap it in your brain like antidepressants do. So, if your having rebound depression months after, the 5-htp will get you on track. Obviously, serotonin levels are affected by many things, and if you have to get that under control as well or you will always be taking something.
    The reason why antidepressants don’t work for many people is because it is not serotonin that is the cause. So, obviously 5htp and antidepressants won’t work in that case.

  • This is a very dangerous comment to make, Markps2. What happens if the person kills themselves inbetween? By the way, 5-htp is not a drug – it is a supplement and was the only way I could avoid going back on the medication. It helps wonderfully.
    As a side note, I would say that leaving time for your bones to heal after an accident is not at all the same thing. If your brain is working fine, you can use logic and say that things will be better with time, even though it may be a difficilt recovery. If your brain is not working properly, all logic goes out the window and you CANNOT stay calm and collected.

  • Also, don’t forget: After a couple of weeks or months, your brain will top up on its supply of serotonin and send you a signal to stop taking the supplement (headache, confusion, irritability and most other symtoms associated with a return of depression). You have to be ready for these signals because you may feel tempted to up your dose when what you should be doing is the opposite. If, however, you stop the supplement and your depression really does get worse, then it is because you need to up you dose.

  • Yes, the 5-Htp could definitely help you. You have been off the meds for over 4 months and are having rebound depression because your brain is unable to regulate its own serotonin because of being on antidpressants. Start taking the supplement and take it for as long as you need until your brain tops off with its supply of serotonin. You should start feeling better right away but will need to continue taking the supplement for up to 2-3 months, if not as soon as you stop taking it, the depression comes back. Let us know how you feel after taking the supplement.

  • Umm, that’s interesting about having to wait to take the 5-htp. From everything I’ve read and with my own personal experience, you just need to wait for the withdrawal symptoms to start before taking it. That’s what I did and it worked wonderfully. I’d didn’t have hardly any withdrawal at all compared to the other times.
    I’ve never heard of 5-htp aggravating withdrawal unless you are just reacting to the 5-htp regardless of being in withdrawal or not. To know that, you have to try it.
    As for the withdrawal, I’ve done both – cold turkey and slow taper. Neither made a difference to the severity of my withdrawal. But again, the point of my original post was not to question the tapering process. It’s what to do when after a period of time after stopping the meds the depression comes back. That is what has happened to the people who have commented here and that is the reason for my post.
    What is your experience with long-term antidepressant use and how did you come off and stay off? I’m assuming you’ve gone through this or you wouldn’t be reading this.

  • I never said to take 5-htp while on the meds, the whole point is to use it to get off of them!!! If my comment made you think that, then thank you for replying because you are right in what you said and serotonin syndrome is a dangerous reality of taking both TOGETHER.
    As for tapering, yes it is necessary, but I did that for a year and it made no difference to the depression coming back. It’s the last little dose that makes that difference for some reason. After you take the last dose and the withdrawal symptoms come, you take the 5-htp and it will lessen the withdrawal.

  • There is a reason you can’t get off this medication. I should know because I’d tried unsuccessfully for years to get off of Effexor. The reason is because Antidepressants trap all the serotonin you have in your brain and prevent it from being uptaken like the brain is supposed to do. This, in turn, tells the brain to stop making anymore and just keep the little you had to begin with locked in. Thus, your depression heals. When you stop taking the medication, you may feel alright for a while until all the medication is out of your system. This usually takes a couple of months. However, when it is out of your system, your brain is still lazy and doesn’t make anymore, thus your depression can come back worse than the time before because now you have no serotonin left at all!!! This usually happens with people who take this medication for a number of years and not with more short-term usage.
    There is only one way to make the brain go back to normal and that is to take something that will actually make more serotonin in your brain until it learns to do it by itself again. For this you need to take 5-htp, an amino-acid found in all drug and natural food stores. The process can take up to a couple of months to complete, but the 5-htp acts as an antidepressant while you are waiting. After a couple of weeks or months, your brain will top up on its supply of serotonin and send you a signal to stop taking the supplement (headache, confusion, irritability and most other symtoms associated with a return of depression). You have to be ready for these signals because you may feel tempted to up your dose when what you should be doing is the opposite. You may also feel really good after just one dose and think you don’t need it anymore. BIG MISTAKE!!! You have to wait until you get the signal from your brain to stop or the depression will come back.
    Also, while you are doing this, you have to take mesures to keep your new serotonin from being depleted again. This means avoiding the most common culprits – sugar, alcohol, tobacco, high stress. Also, you will need to take an omega-3 joy supplement and decrease your omega 6 intake. Omega 6′s are needed for good health, but too much causes inflammation in the body and brain and thus depression and anxiety. Omega 3′s from FISH OIL CAPSULES not PLANT will get rid of all inflammation in 2-3 months. Also, when I say sugar, I also mean starchy foods such as bread, pasta, rice, etc. No, you don’t need to cut it out completely, but cut out enough to get you in the 100-150g a day range and eat more healthy fat. By the way, eating conventional vegetables and meat plastered in pesticides and hormones will cause depression as well. Basically, with regards to nutrition, it’s not hard to understand. EAt what people ate years ago before we started having all these health problems. Is it really surprising there is so much depression now when we are killing ourselves with food? I know it is a lot of work to live off medication and so much easier to take a pill and not change anything in your lifestyle, but that is the price to pay to feel better in the long run. Oh, and by the way, gluten we find in bread now is not the same as 50 years ago. It has been modified and absolutely can cause depression, extreme fatigue and anxiety. I tested negative for gluten allergy but when I cut most of it out, I realized I was gluten sensitive, which there is no test for. Bye bye constant fatigue and mood swings!!! Just don’t cut it all out of your diet because trust me you will get withdrawal from it worse than anything you have experienced for AD medication. It may take a week before you do, but when it comes it is not pretty. If you have any other questions, I would suggest you buy the bood ” the mood cure”. Everything I told you is explained in great detail in this book. It is why I have been off the meds for a couple of years now.

  • Hi all fellow AD sufferers,
    There is a reason you can’t get off this medication. I should know because I’d tried unsuccessfully for years to get off of Effexor. The reason is because Antidepressants trap all the serotonin you have in your brain and prevent it from being uptaken like the brain is supposed to do. This, in turn, tells the brain to stop making anymore and just keep the little you had to begin with locked in. Thus, your depression heals. When you stop taking the medication, you may feel alright for a while until all the medication is out of your system. This usually takes a couple of months. However, when it is out of your system, your brain is still lazy and doesn’t make anymore, thus your depression can come back worse than the time before because now you have no serotonin left at all!!! This usually happens with people who take this medication for a number of years and not with more short-term usage.
    There is only one way to make the brain go back to normal and that is to take something that will actually make more serotonin in your brain until it learns to do it by itself again. For this you need to take 5-htp, an amino-acid found in all drug and natural food stores. The process can take up to a couple of months to complete, but the 5-htp acts as an antidepressant while you are waiting. After a couple of weeks or months, your brain will top up on its supply of serotonin and send you a signal to stop taking the supplement (headache, confusion, irritability and most other symtoms associated with a return of depression). You have to be ready for these signals because you may feel tempted to up your dose when what you should be doing is the opposite. You may also feel really good after just one dose and think you don’t need it anymore. BIG MISTAKE!!! You have to wait until you get the signal from your brain to stop or the depression will come back.
    Also, while you are doing this, you have to take mesures to keep your new serotonin from being depleted again. This means avoiding the most common culprits – sugar, alcohol, tobacco, high stress. Also, you will need to take an omega-3 joy supplement and decrease your omega 6 intake. Omega 6’s are needed for good health, but too much causes inflammation in the body and brain and thus depression and anxiety. Omega 3’s from FISH OIL CAPSULES not PLANT will get rid of all inflammation in 2-3 months. Also, when I say sugar, I also mean starchy foods such as bread, pasta, rice, etc. No, you don’t need to cut it out completely, but cut out enough to get you in the 100-150g a day range and eat more healthy fat. By the way, eating conventional vegetables and meat plastered in pesticides and hormones will cause depression as well. Basically, with regards to nutrition, it’s not hard to understand. EAt what people ate years ago before we started having all these health problems. Is it really surprising there is so much depression now when we are killing ourselves with food? I know it is a lot of work to live off medication and so much easier to take a pill and not change anything in your lifestyle, but that is the price to pay to feel better in the long run. Oh, and by the way, gluten we find in bread now is not the same as 50 years ago. It has been modified and absolutely can cause depression, extreme fatigue and anxiety. I tested negative for gluten allergy but when I cut most of it out, I realized I was gluten sensitive, which there is no test for. Bye bye constant fatigue and mood swings!!! Just don’t cut it all out of your diet because trust me you will get withdrawal from it worse than anything you have experienced for AD medication. It may take a week before you do, but when it comes it is not pretty. If you have any other questions, I would suggest you buy the bood ” the mood cure”. Everything I told you is explained in great detail in this book. It is why I have been off the meds for a couple of years now.
    Good luck!!!